Re: KR> 4-into-1 exhaust system help?

[Tommy Waymack via KRnet]

Mark I feel your pain.Last years inspection revealed similar issues related
to rust[mild steel].Only one pipe was rusted thru but  we know what that
means.Revmaster will make me another one in 30 days for $510 and I would do
that in a heartbeat If it weren't for retirement.I bowed up and used some
mandral bent pieces left over from an intake project.Welded up the
offending pipe and I'm in the air again.I have not seen anything but the
4-1 with offset offered in quite a while.GPAS and Revmaster may get theirs
the same place.The area around the collector was a challenge but
doable.Repair will get you flying and buy some time for better fix.Tommy W.

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 11:49 PM, Wayne Baker via KRnet <
krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:

> I have a Revmaster 2100 for sale with a 4/
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 22, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Mark Langford via KRnet <
> krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Chris Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > > Approx,. 9 3/4 to 10 inches vertically from bottom of engine pan to
> bottom of collector joint.
> >
> > Thanks for that and all the photos you sent Chris, and to John Bouyea as
> well.  Those make it pretty clear that the intake path has to be reworked,
> the carb moved, and the cowling reworked, if I put a Revmaster in place of
> the GP system. And it's still a gamble buying the GP Tri-gear, because it's
> a completely different layout than what's on the plane now.   It would
> probably be easier and quicker to weld up my own exhaust system, especially
> if you consider delaying a week on UPS to get started, only to find out
> neither the Revmaster nor GP will fit.  I have the perfect go-by sitting on
> the bench...just need to order some tubing, a collector, and some flanges.
> >
> > I've built two exhaust systems for the Corvair, the last one out of 321
> stainless, and complained the whole time because it wasn't easy and took
> forever, but it's starting to look more attractive.  KR2's going to be down
> for a while!
> >
> > The two enclosed photos are a reminder to check your exhaust system. The
> multi-crack photo is mirrored on the other side of the pipe, so the whole
> thing was about the break in half.  The pipe is right at the flange and the
> bend focuses a lot of heat on the steel, which was eroded down to near
> razor-thin. This leak was inaudible.  The "big break" was obvious, but not
> "log-truck loud", as we say in Alabama.  That photo shows why I can't get
> in there to weld the inside...the exhaust gas would just come out
> V...towards the carburetor.  Not good, to coin a phrase...
> >
> > Mark Langford
> > m...@n56ml.com
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Re: KR> Fuel header tank

[Tommy Waymack via KRnet]

N995BG has 24 gal. header tank[Rand
Robinson original fiberglass]Still flying after 27 years.Do I think safety
is a good thing? You bet I do.Weight and balance is not an issue with
proper distribution of airplane parts.My trim indicator runs in the middle
with 15 gallons.With full fuel I was able to make the flight from Cross
City FL to Pine Bluff,AR in 5hrs.17 mins.The estimated range was 6 hrs. at
the time.15 gallons is all I keep in the plane at any one time.Fly safe and
keep building.Tommy W.

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 9:55 AM, n357cj via KRnet 
wrote:

> Hi Deon,
> I have a KR-2s with a 12 gal. header tank and am currently building
> another that I retained the same idea but in a slightly smaller form of 7.5
> gal. My theory is that gravity never quits so fuel flow would never quit.
> Having said that the KR2 is much more pitch sensitive. During any cross
> country flight I probably only adjust trim one time as the fuel is burned
> off the header tank and it is really not an issue for the 2s stability. The
> other main issue is safety which is up to any one persons own tolerance. I
> personally have a fiberglass header tank and the plan is not to break it.
> That is not good enough for many good men. You have an aluminum tank which
> may or may not be stronger and less resistant to a rupture. Another down
> side to wing only is the fuel line and pump layout and operations.
> Having mentioned all these items I would likely put in wing tanks and
> ditch the header. I do not know what stag of completion the plane is in but
> maybe adding to the fuselage length is an option. It would be a far safer
> airplane by all accounts.
> Joe Horotn,
> N357cj
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "KRnet" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Cc: "Deon-tsrc" 
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 10:13:42 AM
> Subject: KR> Fuel header tank
>
> Hi Guys
>
> The partial KR2 (original design) I have bought is fitted with an
> aluminum fuel tank in front of the instrument panel. From the
> information I have available this is not a good idea (shift of CoG, fire
> danger etc.)
>
> Would you advise that I ditch this and create wing tanks? Given all the
> ho-ha about CoG issues I am not sure I will be able to pass inspection
> with this tank in place!
>
> This is a big step for me so some advice would be appreciated.
>
> Regards
>
> Deon
>
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KR> Thanks to sponsors

[Tommy Waymack]

Just want to thank my sponsors who made my trip possible[gas money]Mark
Langford,Terry Chizek,and John Shaffer.Terry and John bought the spark
plugs,John and Mark bought the KR gathering VHS tapes.Thanks again to
them.Let's hope that those tapes can be changed to digital and made
available to the KR  community.Tommy W.

KR> FW: 1 NEW: marvel schebler ma3-spa 10-4894. Off topic???

[Tommy Waymack]

Mine is an Ellison EFS-2,No longer in production but still one of the best
if you can find one,Tommy W,

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 8:08 PM, Robert7721 via KRnet 
wrote:

> I run a Revflow as well on my Revmaster 2100D.  It is a size 32mm if I
> recall correctly.
>
>
> Rob Schmitt
> N1852Z
> www.robert7721.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: sparksfly2ms--- via KRnet 
> To: KRnet 
> Cc: sparksfly2ms 
> Sent: Wed, Sep 7, 2016 2:30 pm
> Subject: Re: KR> FW: 1 NEW: marvel schebler ma3-spa 10-4894. Off topic???
>
> Revflow from Revmaster Aviation. Very good.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Windows Mail
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>
>
> From: Doran Jaffas via KRnet
> Sent: ?Wednesday?, ?September? ?7?, ?2016 ?11?:?13? ?AM
> To: KRnet
> Cc: Doran Jaffas
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi everyone.
>   I just recieved a Revmaster 2100D today. The engine appears to be in
> excellent condition. I am wondering if any of you fly with this motor and
> if so what carb and size do you use??
>   Thank You.
> Doran
> On Sep 7, 2016 6:41 AM, "Daniel Heath via KRnet" 
> wrote:
>
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> >
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KR> 14mm shielded spark plugs

[Tommy Waymack]

I found some similar plugs while rumageing through my shop.Will bring them
to the gathering should I get the chance.Still in cosmoline.Tommy W.

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Jeff Scott via KRnet 
wrote:

>
>
> I don't know if any of you VW guys are using a magneto with shielded plugs
> anymore, but I seem to have run across an inventory of 14MM shielded spark
> plugs and would appreciate any help some of you might be able to provide in
> identifying these plugs and and identifying whether they are useful for any
> of the aero VW applications.
>
> The plugs I found are all new old stock Champion XEH-10, XEJ-11, XEF-14Y,
> and XMJ-17.  The XMJ-17 plugs also have a second number MS35909-2. The
> XMJ-17 was a shielded plug for a military Willys Jeep, and some of the
> others are identified as military use for air cooled Wisconson V-4 engines
> that were used in the military.  What I don't know is if these had any
> application for the Aero VW engines, or possibly in the Franklin engines.
> If they do, I'll be happy to pass them on for what they cost me to buy,
> which isn't much.
>
> -Jeff Scott
> Los Alamos, NM
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KR> KR2 world tour.

[Tommy Waymack]

Way to go Colin.The guy is a new age Lindbergh.Tommy W.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 6:11 PM, Paul Visk via KRnet 
wrote:

>
>
> krii worldtour
>
>
> Paul Visk Belleville IL  618 406 4705
> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4
>
>  Original message 
> From: sparksfly2ms--- via KRnet 
> Date: 09/01/2016  5:17 PM  (GMT-06:00)
> To: KRnet 
> Cc: sparksfly2ms at cox.net
> Subject: Re: KR> KR2 world tour.
>
> Yep, watching him on facebook;
>
>
>
>
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>
> Sent from Windows Mail
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>
> From: Mac McConnell-Wood via KRnet
> Sent: ?Thursday?, ?September? ?1?, ?2016 ?3?:?01? ?PM
> To: KRnet
> Cc: Mac McConnell-Wood
>
>
>
>
>
> Anyone following Colin Hales world tour?
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KR> Landing Gear legs

[Tommy Waymack]

With extensive mods all bets are off.Good luck.Both options are good.Tommy W

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Global Solutions via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Folks
> I was looking in to the landing gear for a Kr2S. The boat is going to be
> 6" wider then the stock plans.
> I was looking at the NVaero site and they have the castings for the Deli
> gear which because they have no picture I am guessing I would still need to
> make the actual legs. they also do not specify if the castings they sell
> are priced each or for the pair.
> I then came across this which is made from Material: 7075-T6 Aluminum
> KR2 One Piece Landing Gear
> The airport I have access to for the moment is a grass strip and I was
> thinking the aluminum may act as a bit of a shock suppressor and may be
> lighter then the wood/glass that others have used.
> Would I be ahead to bend something like this in the press brake or go the
> Deli Gear route?
>
> Also I was thinking of going with MATCO brakes as per NVAERO or am I
> better off with Cleveland or some other brand. I also noted on Mark
> Landfords site that he played with wheel sizes. What is the overall
> consences with respect to tire size?
>
> Thanks
> Stan
>
>
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KR> ADS-B BendixKing by Honeywell

[Tommy Waymack]

 "Someone" does make an all in one unit but I don't believe it will be
going in  a KR.The reason a milti box approach is used is so that the
system can be changed without large out lays of funds at any one
time.Standard catergory IFR aircraft are the basis of avionics
developement.Have not seen any GNS-430's in KRs yet.Tommy W.

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Larry via KRnet 
wrote:

> I noticed that no one seems to have one piece of equipment that will do it
> all. As you say, each separate piece that is needed to make a complete
> system really adds up. I wanted to yell at the king guys I talked to
> because they act like buying multiple pieces is no big deal!!
> I will bet someone will build a cheaper single box that will do it all and
> kick everyone's butt!!
> A big push was on at Oshkosh to allow non certified equipment and owner
> installed equipment in certified aircraft that may be better than certified.
> The bureaucrats in the FAA are in such a state of cover ass, slow
> development down because of their laziness or whatever it is that it takes
> forever for already outdated technology to show up for sale to the public.
> If I were King for a day!!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 3, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Jeff Scott via KRnet 
> wrote:
> >
> > This is a perfect example of some of the somewhat deceptive advertising
> I have been seeing.  You will note that you get a to pay $3500 for a Mode-S
> transponder that is touted as ADS-B Out "SOLVED".  But what is less than
> obvious is that the Transponder does NOT have a WAAS GPS Position source.
> If you happen to have a WAAS enabled Garmin GTN/GNS system to front end the
> transponder as a position source, you're in luck.  If you don't, well, for
> another $15,000, they can fix you right up.
> >
> > This is virtually identical to the unit I looked at from Sandia
> Aerospace for the same price, except that the Sandia unit also had ADS-B
> in, a traffic display on the front panel, and WiFi to talk to your GPS.
> But you still need to buy a high end WAAS enabled Garmin device to front
> end it. (read $)
> >
> > When reading the ads for ADS-B Out, you have to look to see what isn't
> in the ad.
> >
> > -Jeff Scott
> > Los Alamos, NM
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Subject: KR> ADS-B BendixKing by Honeywell
> > Here is some information that might help your research. If you need a
> transponder this King might be a good way to go.
> >
> >
> http://www.bendixking.com/Search-Results?searchtext=Ads-b=anyword
> >
> > Larry H
> >
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KR> KR1 Project For Sale

[Tommy Waymack]

Good looking project.Wish I could start a new project.Have a local guy with
a KR2S in the same place of construction and he asked $1500.Considering the
landing gear and cleveland wheels and brakes are new.That is not out of
bounds for the 2 place version.A one seat version would not be as desirable
but very much a good choice.Tommy W.

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 8:44 PM, Adrian Rogers via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Hey Glenn, funny seeing your name/announcement in this email. I'm used to
> most posters being midwest to east coast flyers, but way to market the KR 1
> this way.
>
> Sent from the ultimate iPhone
>
> > On Jul 9, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Glen Wilcox via KRnet 
> wrote:
> >
> > EAA Chapter 723 in Southern California, near Los Angeles, has a project
> for
> > sale that will be put up for bid on eBay (our rules require open
> bidding.)
> >
> >
> >
> > The project consists of the boat, spars, and landing gear; only the
> > unfinished wood parts shown in the photos. The little jeep is not
> included.
> >
> >
> >
> > Since this is the expert community on all things KR, where should we set
> the
> > starting bid? When this listing is live, I will let this list know.
> Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > The photos are at http://tinyurl.com/KR1ForSale
> >
> >
> >
> > Glen Wilcox
> >
> >  818 991-6259
> >
> >
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KR> Cowling Air Scoop

[Tommy Waymack]

Sid,Had same issues with the 7500BTU cooler from GPAS so I bought another
7500BTU cooler and put them in series.Worked much better.They have a
15000BTU unit that would have done the trick but I was able to stack the 2
and may have saved a little space.Tommy W.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:30 AM, Bill Jacobs via KRnet  wrote:

> Hello Sid,I was wondering the same question as Leif?Is there a ratio of
> the areas?Thanks,Bill Jacobs Daytona Beach, Fl.
>
> On Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:58 AM, Leif G Alstads?ter via KRnet <
> krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:
>
>
>  Hi Sid
> I just look at your photo of your cowling,
> I just wonder whats the area on the front opening for the inlet of air,
> compare to the area back of the cowling?
> Regard
> Leif
> NORWAY
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KR> VW Engines

[Tommy Waymack]

I guess after 26 years behind a VW,I was dumb to think it would be a good
choice.Tommy W.Never did land off airport.

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:06 PM, Patrick Driscoll via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Chris said: its not necessarily cheap but a KR is about as cheap as it
> gets. and I
> honestly have concluded that the VW can be acceptably reliable and
> easy / cheap to maintain.
>
> Please fellows, do not degrade the KR. The word to use is, "inexpensive".
> Patrick Driscoll
> Saint Paul, MN
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> www.pensbypat.com
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KR> Axles?

[Tommy Waymack]

May need to upgrade to 3/4"axles and bearings.GPAS can help.Tommy W.

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 8:33 PM, mark jones via KRnet 
wrote:

> Matt,
> I ordered mine from Great Plains Aircraft (GPASC) back in 1998 for $54.95
> for the kit. Contact then and ask for the 5/8" Pre Welded Axle Kit.
> Good Luck,
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Dunedin, FL
>
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Dunedin, FL
> flykr2s at gmail.com
> www.flykr2s.com
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Matt Quimby via KRnet <
> krnet at list.krnet.org
> > wrote:
>
> > Hey all, I?m working on swapping my original retractable gear for Diehl
> > gear, and I?m hoping to reuse the 5? Azusa wheels. Only problem is, I
> can?t
> > seem to find an axle for them. Is there a source for 5/8? axles that will
> > mount to the Diehl lower bracket, or do I have to get the O?Brien axle
> > setup? Thanks.
> >
> > -Matt
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KR> Question concerning Ellison Model 2 Carb on a HAPI VW engine

[Tommy Waymack]

Yes to all the above.I used a single nozzle in front of the carb located
under the engine[updraft].It worked ok,but I am in the process of
installing 2 points,one in each side on top of the engine.No data on this
yet.Fuel pressure seems adequate with fuel pump off in cruise but use boost
pump for take off and landing.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:36 PM, Mark Langford via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Rene Ffrench wrote:
>
> Yes, you'll need a primer.  I have 3.5 psi feeding the carb.  The carb
> isn't supposed to flow unless it is receiving air, so primer is required to
> get it going.   I'm using a primer, and you'll  a primer in all but the
> warmest of conditions.  I ran an 1/8" copper tube from an electric primer
> solenoid to a T that splits to each side, and  at each head is another T,
> with a primer nozzle going to a fitting that I welded into each intake
> (total of four). Actually, I welded a piece of steel tubing into the
> manifolds and threaded it.
>
> Four nozzles may be overkill, but "real" airplane people are astounded
> that I can turn it over a couple of blades in freezing weather and it
> starts and runs smoothly!  There is a special primer fitting that AS (and
> likely Wicks) sells that has an orifice in it that sprays an atomized
> mist.  It also has a cone connection that must be silver soldered (not as
> hard as it sounds) to the copper tubing.  See
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/primerfittings.php?clickkey=3014828
> for all of this stuff, and I warn you that it is expensive.  You don't need
> everything in the photo, just the discharge nipple, the cone fitting, and
> retaining nut (AN-805).  Don't take my word for it though...investigate a
> little.  I've bought stuff that I didn't need, and it's all expensive.
>
> One benefit of this system is that if your engine suffers vapor lock in
> flight and starves for fuel, you can "pulse" the primer off and on to keep
> the engine running.  Been there, done that, glad it works...
>
> Mark Langford
> ML at N56ML.com
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KR> "blast from the past"

[Tommy Waymack]

Meant to say the 1992 gathering may have been Covington,Tn.

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Tommy Waymack <5blindate at gmail.com> wrote:

> My memory has faded but 1993 was possibly Covington,Tn.1993 was the
> thirteenth and Don Cornwell went down on the south end approach at
> dark.There was normally 2 events at most venues.
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 8:39 PM, Virgil N. Salisbury via KRnet <
> krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Check with Video BOB, Virg
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/20/2016 7:04 PM, Larry Flesner via KRnet wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is what I have so far.  Can anyone add, correct, or have any
>>> earlier dates?  If anyone has the "old newsletter" disk and wants to
>>> research, please do.  I've made every Gathering, including the two in
>>> 98, since 1990 except the Corona Gathering, but my memory is not as good
>>> as it was when I started my KR 25 years ago. :-(
>>>
>>> Larry Flesner
>>>
>>> KR Gatherings  - year and location
>>>
>>> 1989 - Covington, Tenn.
>>> 1990 - Rough River, Kentucky
>>> 1991 ? Kentucky Dam State Park
>>> 1992 ?
>>> 1993 - Covington, Tennessee
>>> 1994 ? Columbia, Tennessee
>>> 1995 ? Columbia, Tennessee
>>> 1996 ? Pine Bluff, Arkansas
>>> 1997 ? Perry, Oklahoma
>>> 1998 - Perry, Oklahoma   Columbia, TN "East Coast Gathering"
>>> 1999 ? Lake Barkley, Kentucky
>>> 2000 ? Lake Barkley, Kentucky
>>> 2001 - Pine Bluff, Arkansas
>>> 2002 - Red Oak, Iowa
>>> 2003 - Red Oak, Iowa
>>> 2004 - Mt.Vernon, Illinois
>>> 2005 - Mt.Vernon, Illinois
>>> 2006 - Mt.Vernon, Illinois
>>> 2007 - Mt.Vernon, Illinois
>>> 2008 - Mt.Vernon, Illinois
>>> 2009 - Mt.Vernon, Illinois
>>> 2010 - Richmond, Kentucky
>>> 2011 - Mt.Vernon, Illinois
>>> 2012 - Mt.Vernon, Illinois
>>> 2013 - Mt.Vernon, Illinois
>>> 2014 - Corona, California
>>> 2015 - McMinnville, Oregon
>>>
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KR> "blast from the past"

[Tommy Waymack]

My memory has faded but 1993 was possibly Covington,Tn.1993 was the
thirteenth and Don Cornwell went down on the south end approach at
dark.There was normally 2 events at most venues.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 8:39 PM, Virgil N. Salisbury via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

>
> Check with Video BOB, Virg
>
>
>
> On 6/20/2016 7:04 PM, Larry Flesner via KRnet wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> This is what I have so far.  Can anyone add, correct, or have any
>> earlier dates?  If anyone has the "old newsletter" disk and wants to
>> research, please do.  I've made every Gathering, including the two in
>> 98, since 1990 except the Corona Gathering, but my memory is not as good
>> as it was when I started my KR 25 years ago. :-(
>>
>> Larry Flesner
>>
>> KR Gatherings  - year and location
>>
>> 1989 - Covington, Tenn.
>> 1990 - Rough River, Kentucky
>> 1991 ? Kentucky Dam State Park
>> 1992 ?
>> 1993 - Covington, Tennessee
>> 1994 ? Columbia, Tennessee
>> 1995 ? Columbia, Tennessee
>> 1996 ? Pine Bluff, Arkansas
>> 1997 ? Perry, Oklahoma
>> 1998 - Perry, Oklahoma   Columbia, TN "East Coast Gathering"
>> 1999 ? Lake Barkley, Kentucky
>> 2000 ? Lake Barkley, Kentucky
>> 2001 - Pine Bluff, Arkansas
>> 2002 - Red Oak, Iowa
>> 2003 - Red Oak, Iowa
>> 2004 - Mt.Vernon, Illinois
>> 2005 - Mt.Vernon, Illinois
>> 2006 - Mt.Vernon, Illinois
>> 2007 - Mt.Vernon, Illinois
>> 2008 - Mt.Vernon, Illinois
>> 2009 - Mt.Vernon, Illinois
>> 2010 - Richmond, Kentucky
>> 2011 - Mt.Vernon, Illinois
>> 2012 - Mt.Vernon, Illinois
>> 2013 - Mt.Vernon, Illinois
>> 2014 - Corona, California
>> 2015 - McMinnville, Oregon
>>
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KR> "blast from the past"

[Tommy Waymack]

Kentucky Dam state park 1991

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 7:29 PM, Mark Langford via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Larry Flesner wrote:
>
> > Any chance we can use our collective memories and come up with a list of
> > year and location for all the past Gatherings?  I've attended 25 of the
> > last 26 Gatherings but can't remember all the years and locations.
>
> Here's the list of links from KRnet:
>
> '94 Columbia, TN Gathering photos
> '95 Columbia, TN Gathering photos
> '96 Pine Bluff, Arkansas Gathering photos
> '97 Perry, OK Gathering photos
> '98 Columbia, TN "East Coast Gathering" photos
> '98 Perry, OK Gathering photos
> '99 Lake Barkley, KY Gathering photos
> 2000 Oshkosh photos
> 2000 Lake Barkley, KY Gathering photos
> 2001 Oshkosh photos
> 2001 Pine Bluff, Arkansas KR Gathering photos .
> 2002 Red Oak, Iowa KR Gathering photos .
> 2003 Red Oak, Iowa KR Gathering photos.
> 2004 Mount Vernon Gathering photos.
> 2005 Mount Vernon Gathering photos.
> 2006 Mount Vernon Gathering photos by EL Miller and Glenda McElwee.
> 2008 KR Gathering photos
> 2009 and more recent KR Gathering photos
>
> Bob Lee was doing such a good job posting photos that I quit posting mine
> after 2009, but may eventually get time to post some of them.
>
> All of the above represent links that can be found at
> http://www.krnet.org/ if you want to see pictures and commentary...
>
> Mark Langford
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KR> Flywheel alternators

[Tommy Waymack]

This is a problem I have experienced in my Revmaster VW.Years ago mine was
not charging.But it never seemed to go dead just low voltage.Removed the
rotor and sent it to Revmaster for a recharge of the magnets.They sent it
back and the magnets were much stronger and the charge rate when up to a
healthy 14 volts.After years of use,the charge rate went back down.Rev
master no longer recharges the magnets but I decided to buy a new rotor,not
cheap.The new ones are made with much better material and will last
longer.I do think my aircraft has out lived it's life expectancy.Tommy W.

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 4:33 PM, billjacobs386 at yahoo.com <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks Jeff,Good clear description.
> Bill Jacobs
>
>
> -- Original message--From: Jeff Scott via KRnet Date: Mon, Jun 13,
> 2016 5:28 PMTo: krnet at list.krnet.org;Cc: Jeff Scott;Subject:Re: KR>
> Flywheel alternators"Flywheel Alternators" are more aptly described as
> Dynamo Charging systems.  They have fixed magnets that fly past a fixed
> Stator (coil or coils) to produce AC current and either a single or 3 phase
> A/C Output that is then rectified into DC.  A single phase unit either
> works or not as there are no moving parts to wear out.  If a wire breaks in
> the stator or beetween the stator and the regulator, it no longer works.  A
> 3 phase unit can lose a phase, which will reduce its max current output.  I
> expect the Great Planes units are likely single phase.  The regulator is
> where all the magic happens and where problems are most likely to occur.
> The regulator both rectifies the AC output into DC, and regulates the DC to
> something less than 14.3 Volts. Low voltage output will almost always be
> the regulator that's at fault.  No charging can be either the regulator,
> wiring, or the dynamo stator wires that have failed. The failures I have
> seen in them were failed regulators, and burned wiring between the dynamo
> and the regulator, and broken wires in the dynamo.  It is possible that
> your regulator output may be affected by heat, but to what degree, I
> couldn't predict.  Since these systems don't typically charge at idle, you
> need to use a good voltmeter (preferably digital) and take a reading
> anywhere on the 12V DC buss with the engine turning somewhere around 1500 -
> 2000 RPM.  I don't have any specific knowledge about the Great Planes
> units, so don't know what RPM they cut in, but the ones on the Jabiru
> engines I've been working on seem to start charging around 1800 rpm.  Once
> it's charging with minimal load, I would expect to see something on the
> order of a minimum of 13V to maintain the battery.  If it is less than
> that, they you are likely looking at a regulator issue.  The dynamo itself
> will either work, or it won't. -Jeff ScottLos Alamos, NM Sent: Monday, June
> 13, 2016 at 2:02 PMFrom: "Mike Stirewalt via KRnet"
> To: krnet at list.krnet.orgCc: laser147 at juno.comSubject: KR> Flywheel
> alternatorsAnybody know if the flywheel alternators that are in the Great
> Plainsengines wear out with time? It seems my voltmeter needle is
> ridingaround 11 volts instead of 12 with the engine at full RPM. It might
> bemy imagination.If they DO wear out with time, what needs to be replaced?
> What wears?I just aborted a trip to La Paz because the voltmeter needle
> seemed to beriding a little lower than it usually does. I didn't want to be
> comingback across the border without a working transponder so I landed in
> SanFelipe and just came back home. Better safe than sorry. This
> alternatorsituation worries me but it might be just fine and my imagination
> theproblem, not the alternator. It's got a lot of hours on it - theflywheel
> alternator I mean - and am wondering if I've got a
> problemdeveloping.Thanks,MikeKSEEAffordable
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KR> VW Heads (and crank)

[Tommy Waymack]

My experience with a Magnum 82 was positive.The only problem was leaking
oil around the valve covers.The most important feature of any installation
is the operator/maintenance manager.Scare tactics work in politics but tend
to bite you in aviation.Tommy W.

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 11:25 AM, svd via KRnet 
wrote:

> Hi Tommy,
>
> Thanks for the input - its the only stick with it advice I?ve gotten.
>
> I?d love to stick with the Scat?s (price, they are neat, and supposedly
> they ?flow? exceptionally well).
>
> But I get a lot of advice that they do not cool well, resulting in valve
> train (and other) problems.
>
> How are they not interchangeable?
>
> If you mean the crank, yes I understand that I?ll have to have the case
> machined to accommodate both bearing 3 and the nose bearing (#4).  Total
> for bearing, machine work and Revmaster crank comes out about $1200. I
> think the stroke is 78mm - which is the same as the Revmaster.
>
> The current HAPI Magnum Plus crank set-up looks pretty good, but I keep
> getting told that the prop will ?depart in flight? - something I would
> prefer to avoid.
>
> Owen
>
>
> Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 15:28:59 -0500
> From: Tommy Waymack <5blindate at gmail.com <mailto:5blindate at gmail.com>>
> To: KRnet mailto:krnet at list.krnet.org>>
> Subject: Re: KR> Best Cylinder Heads for VW
> Message-ID:
> 

KR> Best Cylinder Heads for VW

[Tommy Waymack]

HAPI and Revmaster are not interchangeable,Stick with what you have.Tommy W.

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 7:57 PM, svd via KRnet  wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> I?d like to get opinions on best cylinder heads for and aircraft vw.
> (yes this is sure to stir the muck).
>
> I have an new/old HAPI Magnum 82 (78mm stoke, 94mm cylinders, SCAT split
> heads).
>
> I think I?m going to replace the crank with a Revmaster, and I?m looking
> into replacing the heads.
>
> I could have Swain ceramic thermal barrier coat the pistons, valves and
> head  for $600 - but I  don?t know it that would really fix the heat issues
> with the poorly finned SCAT split heads.
>
> So what to replace them with??
>
> CB 44
> http://www.cbperformance.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=1443 <
> http://www.cbperformance.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=1443>
>
> or
>
>
> Revmaster 49
> http://revmasteraviation.com/?p=125#more-125 <
> http://revmasteraviation.com/?p=125#more-125>
>
>
> vs
>
> MOFO 50
>
> http://www.mofoco.com/item/MOFOCO_050_BIG_VALVE_AIR_COOLED_VW_CYLINDER_HEAD/234/c52
> <
> http://www.mofoco.com/item/MOFOCO_050_BIG_VALVE_AIR_COOLED_VW_CYLINDER_HEAD/234/c52
> >
>
>
> Or something else entirely?
>
> Cheers,
> Owen
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KR> Removable Front Deck

[Tommy Waymack]

The KR was designed with retracts and mechanical brakes activated by a
cable running just in front of the main spar.Flew my plane for years
without needing to crawl under the panel to service brakes or much else.We
don't build the KR to stock specs anymore.Now everything has changed and so
has the design so don't blame the designer for changes made by the
builder.Tommy W.

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 8:40 PM, Carl Dow via KRnet 
wrote:

>  blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px
> #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important;
> background-color:white !important; }  Hehe
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad
>
>
> On Friday, May 6, 2016, 4:38 PM, Larry Flesner via KRnet <
> krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >There was also a write up of an instrument panel rework where a
> >portion of the cockpit floor was removable thus allowing you to
> >stand in the cockpit with your feet on the ground and it made life much
> easier
>
> __
>
> On the plus side that would eliminate the need for brakes.  And with
> roller skates you could eliminate the need for landing gear also.
>
> Larry Flesner
>
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KR> KR 2 for sale

[Tommy Waymack]

My KR2 is for sale.Can sell as is,less fwf,or repaired.870-267-0543
5blindate at gmail.com

KR> VW type 1 questions - best reliability

[Tommy Waymack]

Thanks to everyone for there input.As far as reliability is concerned,This
is the first cracked head I've had in 26 years.Probably ran the mixture too
lean.The only EGT probe I use is on the opposite side from the head that
cracked.Tommy W.

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Robert7721 via KRnet  wrote:

>
> Chis,
>
>
> The best practices are incorporated into the designs of both Great Plains
> and Revmaster. Lots of good info on their web sites. GP has manuals on
> conversion which I bought and use.
>
>
> One other expert was a man called Bob Hoover, but he has passed away. His
> blog might still exist. He had some serious issues with the Aerovee VW
> design. I don't believe their prop hub design is anywhere near equal to
> either GP or Rev. But it is another option out there.
>
>
> My engine has components on it from both Rev and GP. Rev case and
> crankshaft. GP dual spark plug cylinder heads. Rev dual ignition (bendix
> mag). Converted to use auto spark plugs. Revflow Carb. I feel pretty good
> about it's reliability.
>
>
> Biggest reliability issue on Type 1 VW is probably the cylinder heads.
> They do have a limited life span running our engines at high power
> settings. Plan to replace them as needed.  Steve Bennett at GP state this
> regularly.
>
>
> Rob Schmitt
> N1852Z
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Prata via KRnet 
> To: krnet 
> Cc: Chris Prata 
> Sent: Thu, Apr 21, 2016 11:13 am
> Subject: KR> VW type 1 questions - best reliability
>
> After reading the VW heads topic, I am wondering what the main reliability
> issues and best practices are on VW currently.
> Looks to me that the crankshaft should be forged, heads not cracked (are
> there best source for reliable heads?), apply best cooling to heads
> possible. and something about the front #4 bearing.
> Not sure about anything else structural, and what is best ignition, mag or
> electronic, etc.
> It is a way off but wondering about this because after 55+ years I would
> think that some "norms" and best practices would be out front by now to
> keep the VW type 1 turning... so thought I'd ask generally and see what
> info/experiences comes back for my KR Saves folder for future reference.
>  :)
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KR> VW cylinder heads

[Tommy Waymack]

Pulled my VW heads with low compression. Discovered crack between the valve
seats at the shortest point.My question is,does anyone repair them?Or are
they junk?I know this is a common problem,but it's my first time.Tommy W.

KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 4, Issue 100

[Tommy Waymack]

The 94 is thinner than the 92.Revmaster crank setup is different than the
HAPI and GPAS.All are good just different.Use the one you like.Tommy W.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 11:39 AM, svd via KRnet 
wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestion of the Revmaster crank and prop hub Mark.
> Why?  Any other suggestions? Heads?
>
> It does seem a shame to rip apart the HAPI, but I keep getting ominous
> opinions of its airworthiness.
>
>
>
>
>
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> >   1.  94x82 vs 92x82 (svd)
> >   2. Re:  94x82 vs 92x82 (Mark Langford)
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 16:31:56 -0700
> > From: svd 
> > To: "krnet at list.krnet.org" 
> > Subject: KR> 94x82 vs 92x82
> > Message-ID: 
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> >
> > Is there any downside to moving to the 94mm cylinders vs 92mm's?  My
> son?s project currently has the 92x82 for 2180cc.  I can move to 94x82 for
> about the same cost as sticking with 92x82 in an upcoming rebuild.
> >
> > I?ve read that the 94mm cylinders are preferred because they are thicker
> walled.
> >
> > I am considering a pretty serious rebuild of the HAPI engine that came
> with my son?s KR project.
> >
> > Specifically, we are intending to replace the crank and prop hub (with
> GP Top Bug and Force One), cylinder heads (with ?), alternator with GP, and
> cylinders with nikasil?s (not the LN Nikies).
> >
> > Since the case will have to be machined to accept the Force One prop
> hub, shouldn?t be too much more to machine for the 94?s.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Owen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 20:28:53 -0500
> > From: "Mark Langford" 
> > To: "'KRnet'" 
> > Subject: Re: KR> 94x82 vs 92x82
> > Message-ID: <6657B9D418D943CE96CBB3D7C757FBFD at BASE755>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Owen wrote:
> >
> >>> Is there any downside to moving to the 94mm cylinders vs 92mm's?  My
> son's
> > project currently has the 92x82 for 2180cc.  I can move to 94x82 for
> about
> > the same cost as sticking with 92x82 in an upcoming rebuild.<<
> >
> > Several of us are running 94mm cylinders on the Corvair with no problems
> at
> > all.  You'll probably go through at least two sets of VW heads before you
> > need to touch the pistons/cylinders.  They are well proven.  I put 550
> hours
> > on a set in N56ML and they still look great and have great compression.
> >
> > I've built two GPASC engines (and torn them both down several times for
> hub
> > issues), and if I were going to build another VW, I'd use the Revmaster
> > crank and prop hub setup instead.
> >
> > Mark Langford
> > ML at N56ML.com
> > http://www.n56ml.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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KR> Adverse Yaw

[Tommy Waymack]

Not sure if there is improvement or not,they look good.And if it makes the
pilot feel better,then why not.Tommy W.

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 10:22 PM, Roger Bulla via KRnet  wrote:

> I saw a notable difference in performance on my first KR installing gap
> seals, but it was built using three piano hinges only about 10 inches long
> spaced out evenly along the length of the aileron so there was a open gap
> from bottom to top.
>
> On my present KR I installed gap seals before I took it to the airport for
> the first flight, so I am not sure if there was any gain. It climbs, turns
> and flies great. Maybe I'll pull them off sometime and check the
> performance without them. Or maybe not.
>
> Roger Bulla
>
> -Original Message- From: svd via KRnet
> Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 4:53 PM
> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> Cc: svd
> Subject: KR> Adverse Yaw
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I was just reading an old article by Stu Robinson in the March 1994 KR
> newsletter.
>
> In it, Stu points out that the aileron gap serves to increase drag on the
> down wing, thereby reducing or eliminating adverse yaw.
>
> However, I also read an article about how important gap seals are for
> increasing climb performance.
>
> So?
> Gaps seal?
>
> (I?m working on a RAF KR2s thats pretty close to plans.)
>
> Cheers,
> Owen
>
>
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KR> I can get spoiled flying up here.

[Tommy Waymack]

Jeff,Don't need to tell you but I just rebuilt a generator  and the parts
are not cheap.Still cheaper than a STC and new equipment on a 50 year old
airplane.Tommy W.

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Jeff Scott via KRnet 
wrote:

>
>
>
> I thought everyone was very restrained not to post a link to project
> literacy.  Just kidding Paul...
>
> I lived on the west side of the Cascades many years ago.  When the weather
> is nice, it's really nice for flying.  Typically little to no wind and
> smooth air.  I really enjoyed living there.
>
> I don't write much about flying my KR as that's kind of normal for me.  I
> fly it all the time.  But this weekend, the KR is broken.  This is my
> second failure of an Emag since I installed them 160 hrs ago.  Since the
> Emags are off to the factory for overhaul this week and half of the stuff
> was already off the back of the engine, I decided it was time to do the
> upgrades I've been promising myself for nearly 20 years.  I pulled the old
> 20 amp Generator off and will install a Plane Power Alternator.  I also
> removed the old pull cable Delco starter and will install a B lightweight
> key start starter.  Cutting off the Starter Pinion shaft inside the back of
> the engine was great fun.  I'll take 10# off the engine with this round of
> upgrades.
>
> BTW, if anyone is in need of a 20 Amp Delco Generator for a C series
> Continental (with ~130 hrs since overhaul), a mechanical regulator that was
> also new with the generator, or an old style Delco pull starter (with a
> replaceable, but failing clutch), drop me a line.  I'd rather give this
> stuff away than throw it away when I move next year.
>
> -Jeff Scott
> Los Alamos, NM
>
>
> That explains it, Paul, you're way ahead of me I didn't think of voice to
> text because I've never used it. Sorry I brought it up, Larry Bell.
>
> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Paul Visk via KRnet  >
> wrote:
>
> > Your write Larry. I use voice to text most of the time and there our
> > times I miss something when I go back and proofread. I'm not much of a
> > righter, butt eye do my best. : )
> > Paul ViskBelleville Il.618 406 4705
> >
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KR> KT76A and VHF worth?

[Tommy Waymack]

Used transponders cost more than they are worth and transceivers can be a
problem if not operational.Repair is available but getting harder to
find.The transmitter cavity in the transponder can go bad and replacement
is more than the unit is worth.For that reason the 40 year old KT-76 I sold
was cheap because it is very likely on the edge of oblivion with each turn
on.Transponders are tested every 2 years regardless of IFR or VFR
operation.The pitot/static system and encoder are tested for accurracy for
IFR cert. only.The VFR test doesn't care if the altimeter is correct or
not.Your VFR.Tommy W.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 4:05 PM, brian.kraut--- via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

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KR> Dynel & resin question

[Tommy Waymack]

N995BG was constructed with Dynel back in the late 70's,early 80's.Still
flying and repaired with fiberglass when needed.Tommy W.

On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 6:32 AM, Chris Kinnaman via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
> Just curious, has anyone on the list built their KR using the original
> Dynel fabric? Is anyone flying one of the older birds constructed with
> Dynel?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
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KR> Turtle deck question:

[Tommy Waymack]

Did not build that part of the plane but it appears pretty much stock as
per plans.The engine change from 1835 to 2100 was changed to the 2"
extension for better passenger carrying CG.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Mike Arnold via KRnet  wrote:

> Tommy did you use the top of the longeron for your horizontal datem to
> locate your thrust line for the engine?
> On Sep 29, 2015 11:22 AM, "Tommy Waymack via KRnet" 
> wrote:
>
> > Mine has enough room for a small tent,one sleeping bag,and roll up air
> > mattress.KR2 with VW spaced forward 2 ".Tommy W.
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Rob Schmitt via KRnet <
> > krnet at list.krnet.org
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > What ever you put behind the seat needs to be pretty light to keep
> within
> > > the CG. I do use my space behind the seat for sleeping bags strapped in
> > > with
> > > bungee cords to keep them from interfering with the control cables to
> the
> > > elevator.
> > >
> > > Rob Schmitt
> > > N1852Z
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Flesner
> > via
> > > KRnet
> > > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 6:05 PM
> > > To: KRnet 
> > > Cc: Flesner 
> > > Subject: Re: KR> Turtle deck question:
> > >
> > > At 12:34 PM 9/28/2015, you wrote:
> > > >While I'm finishing up with the exterior work, I'm beginning to look
> > > >inside of the aircraft. One thing that I noticed is there is some
> (what
> > > >I presume) to be wasted space under the turtle deck.
> > > ++
> > >
> > > It's possible to use some space behind the seat for storage but it
> > totally
> > > depends on the final C.G. of the airplane.  One bay behind the seat is
> > > probably all that's going to be available.  I would suggest you make
> that
> > > the very last thing you work on after seeing where the C.G. comes out
> and
> > > then see how much weight you will be able to carry in that location and
> > go
> > > from there.  I suspect you'll find that you can only carry a limited
> > amount
> > > of weight in that area, especially if you have a straight KR2 not a 2S.
> > >
> > > Larry Flesner
> > >
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KR> Turtle deck question:

[Tommy Waymack]

Mine has enough room for a small tent,one sleeping bag,and roll up air
mattress.KR2 with VW spaced forward 2 ".Tommy W.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Rob Schmitt via KRnet  wrote:

> What ever you put behind the seat needs to be pretty light to keep within
> the CG. I do use my space behind the seat for sleeping bags strapped in
> with
> bungee cords to keep them from interfering with the control cables to the
> elevator.
>
> Rob Schmitt
> N1852Z
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Flesner via
> KRnet
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 6:05 PM
> To: KRnet 
> Cc: Flesner 
> Subject: Re: KR> Turtle deck question:
>
> At 12:34 PM 9/28/2015, you wrote:
> >While I'm finishing up with the exterior work, I'm beginning to look
> >inside of the aircraft. One thing that I noticed is there is some (what
> >I presume) to be wasted space under the turtle deck.
> ++
>
> It's possible to use some space behind the seat for storage but it totally
> depends on the final C.G. of the airplane.  One bay behind the seat is
> probably all that's going to be available.  I would suggest you make that
> the very last thing you work on after seeing where the C.G. comes out and
> then see how much weight you will be able to carry in that location and go
> from there.  I suspect you'll find that you can only carry a limited amount
> of weight in that area, especially if you have a straight KR2 not a 2S.
>
> Larry Flesner
>
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KR> KR Gathering

[Tommy Waymack]

Thank you Marc.Tommy W, former gathering host.And thanks to the KR
community for the opportunity to be a part of it.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Sparky Sparks via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Thank you Marc'  Sparky Sparks
>
> -Original Message- From: Marc Baca via KRnet
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 8:58 AM
> To: KRnet
> Cc: Marc Baca ; Steve G.
> Subject: Re: KR> KR Gathering
>
>
> I typically maintain a low profile on the net and simply listen and learn
> but today I'm compelled to talk about something I know a little about.
> Throughout the last couple of years i've seen a few individuals lob some
> subtle and often less than subtle suggestions that Steve Glover has
> indulged in some impropriety.   One such comment is the folowing..
> "Hopefully there will be a full accounting to close those Gathering
> books"
>
> I'm hoping that comments like these are simply an abrupt choice of words
> and that they does not translate into  Steve Glover (who organized the 2014
> Gathering) having to deal with yet another layer of popular
> misunderstandings.
>
> I'm almost positive that Steve Glover will NOT give a "FULL" accounting of
> the expenses for last year's gathering.  I'm sure that he won't bother
> anyone by commenting about the the numerous days he took off to get the
> 2014 KR Gathering locked in, the amount of $$ he spent out of pocket for
> the guys he had to pay to clean and arranged a production hangar for the
> worshops.  and out of sheer consideration for attendees the
> constructions and installation of a new toilet (for older folk) and sinks,
> the siding so that the hangar would look presentable and functional  for
> people, the renting and purchase of amenities like the Public Address
> system, chairs and tables, the loss he took purchasing items to make sure
> the workshops were useful to people, the gasoline from driving around to
> get things done.Because the 2014 gathering appeared seemless, one might
> not know the amount of time and effort it took to deal  with the
> administration at the airport, discussions with insurance companies, the
> coordination of the cadre of volunteers and contributors that he had to
> convince.  I'm certain there's alot more that  did that does not come to
> mind at the moment.
> I often see a posts that suggest that he is running a KR business that is
> non responsive and have even seen the suggestion of fiduciary impropriety.
> Many people don't know that he has invested several thousands of dollars
> into a business (perhaps $75K or more) that keeps premade KR Parts
> available at a significant loss to him personally year after year. I can
> see Steve's frustration building year after year as some of these posts add
> insult to the financial injury.
>
> For those of you who have been swayed with a question about his character,
> I've seen Steve almost every weekend for the last 4 years during which time
> he's taught me to build aircraft. In the 4 years I've known him, I have not
> witnessed even ONE incidence where Steve has indulged in any monetary
> discrepancies. People never find out about the finicky buyers that cost him
> fees after rescinding their orders due to the unfounded comments and ideas
> transmitted through emails and such. Moreover, the last couple of years
> I've witnessed people's expressed anxieties about plans and parts on the
> KRnet. Most of the time the delays were caused by things that were not
> under his control. I wont bore anyone with details but consider this
> Steve Glover has made a great contribution to the KR Community 75% of
> the time at his own expense  as there is  little financial gain in the
> KR parts business and almost all of the time there is negative financial
> gain.  Every month, year after year, despite the cyber wallops lobbed at
> him, he keeps the availability of pre made parts, kits and innovations for
> the KR coming.
>
> Once again, I'm not interested in stirring up  a discussion about this...
> My comment is for the purpose of precluding a discussion about people's
> anxieties   as I personally witness the weekly operations at the NVaero
> Hangar.
>
> I also want to tip my hat to those individuals who assemble these
> gatherings  as I've witnessed that it is a Herculean effort.
> Marc BacaEast L.A.N13UG
>
>
> On Friday, September 11, 2015 6:09 AM, Steve G. via KRnet <
> krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:
>
>
> Yet again, nobody contacted me.
>
> Steve Glover
>
> Sent from my electronic leash.
>
> On Sep 11, 2015, at 05:40, Flesner via KRnet  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I received the following personal e-mail and felt it necessary to reply
>> to the group as I'm sure others have the same concern.  E-mail and reply
>> are below.
>>
>> Larry Flesner
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> At 11:29 PM 9/10/2015, you wrote:
>>
>>> Guys, is it 

KR> KR Gathering

[Tommy Waymack]

Here's my wish for a good Gathering.Wish I were there.Thanks to all for a
good report on the festivities.Tommy W.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Tommy Waymack <5blindate at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here's my wish for a good Gathering.Wish I were there.Thanks to all for a
> good report on the festivities.Tommy W.
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Robert7721 via KRnet  > wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I can't make it this year. Bad weekend for me - kind of. Labor Day
>> weekend is an annual reunion with some of my military comrades at the
>> Kansas City, Irish Fest.  I'll be glad to drink a toast to my KR
>> brothers/sisters this weekend as well. Cheers!
>>
>>
>> We had a pretty good time at Terry Chezik's airport in Marion KS a couple
>> weekends ago. Terry, Jeff Scott, and I got to have some fun doing low
>> approaches and fly-bys in our KRs. Terry's BBQ/Fly-in got a pretty good
>> write up in the local paper.
>>
>>
>> Rob Schmitt
>> KR2S
>> N1852Z
>> Kansas City, MO
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mike Stirewalt via KRnet 
>> To: krnet 
>> Cc: laser147 
>> Sent: Wed, Sep 2, 2015 1:43 pm
>> Subject: KR> KR Gathering
>>
>>
>> Hey KR people.  Everything I'm reading about arriving at the Gathering
>> has to
>> do with the airlines.  What kind of Gathering is it when everyone
>> is flying to
>> it in damn airliners???  Might as well be talking about a
>> convention of people
>> attending a polar bear conference.  Is anybody
>> (besides me) actually going to
>> fly their planes there?
>>
>> Re the MSD crimpers, will the Taylor crimpers for 8.2
>> wires work?  I can
>> bring mine.  Do you need them in McMinnville?
>>
>> Also,
>> regarding my new Taylor 40 Ohm wires, I'm getting a lot of radio
>> noise on the
>> carrier which I wasn't getting before so the "no noise"
>> feature of the Taylors
>> isn't working.  I can fix this by going around the
>> radio ground directly to the
>> battery but just thought I ought to correct
>> my initial impression.  They HAVE
>> fixed the missing on my secondary
>> ignition.  The coils are getting old and the
>> low resistance wires are
>> making life easier on them.  No missing anymore.  Not
>> happy with the
>> radio noise though.  It's still usable, just not as quiet as
>> before.
>>
>>
>> Mike
>> KSEE
>>
>> 
>> Shark
>> Tank???s Huge Idea
>> Warren Buffett is worried, but you can profit. Click
>> here.
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/55e742fcdb18542fc790ast02vuc
>>
>>
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KR> Fuel capacity

[Tommy Waymack]

Good morning,My KR2 has a 24 gallon header tank.As mark says it is not user
friendly when working behind the panel.For day time VFR it is not a big
problem but once you start into high tech land it becomes an issue.An
example of flying long distance would be the trip made from Cross City
FL.to Pine Bluff,AR nonstop with an early GPS for hikers.5 hours 17
minutes.All the water bottles were full and some were emptied out the
landing gear holes.At 4 gallons per hour there was about 45 minutes
reserve[maybe].
What I remember is taking a lot of time to get out of the plane.The early
astronauts must have been a lot more heroic than I thought.Not many people
will ever spend that much time in the air unless they REALLY want to.It was
my personal best.Tommy W.

On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 4:36 AM, David Mullins via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> On my 3XL KR2S the Stub wing tanks calculated out to 14.5 Gal each.
> They are aluminum following the contour of the airfoil between the
> Spars. My stub wings are 2 feet long.  The Header tank, I am guest-a-mating
> at 18-20 Gal. I will have to find that out when I fill it.
>
> Dave Mullins
> Nashua NH
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/23/2015 7:55 PM, Paul VISK via KRnet wrote:
>
>> Yesterday I filled my out board wing tank and found it holds 10 gallons.
>> With my stub wing tanks of 4 gallons each.  I want to add a 10 gl header
>> tank to help with cg. Total of 38 gallons. What are some of fuel capacity
>> of some of the bigger tanks out there?  I'm thinking this might be a little
>> to much. I'll be putting on  a 3.0L Carvair.
>>
>> Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705
>>
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KR> errors in plans/supplements?

[Tommy Waymack]

This ain't a blog.The KR design is a good one and if it don't fit your
requirements ,I suggest a different design.Tommy W.

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 10:34 PM, Chris Prata via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> mike, as an (hopefully) upcoming builder, is there a comprehensive list of
> things the builders have discovered to maybe do differently as you mention?
>
> > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 23:26:24 -0400
> > To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> > Subject: Re: KR> Nvaero plans/supplements
> > From: krnet at list.krnet.org
> > CC: mctaglieri at gmail.com
> >
> > I was asking for the reason for the delay, not trying to blame Steve.
> It's
> > obviously Jeanette Rand's fault.  Ken Rand died when the design of the KR
> > was still evolving and the plans were little more than a first draft.
> It's
> > tragic  there was never anyone else at Rand-Robinson who was interested
> in
> > correcting the errors in the plans and improving the KR's design.  (Of
> > course many people here have done that, but you aren't the official
> > supplier, so the defective plans keep getting sold and everyone has to
> > rediscover the errors afresh).
> >
> > If Ken had been a careful pilot and stuck around awhile, he could have
> > been another Burt Rutan, and the KR could have been the first of many
> > brilliant designs.  Instead Rand-Robinson became a printing shop
> > that did little for 40 years but reprint and sell the same set of plans,
> > and now they apparently can hardly even do that.
> >
> > Mike Taglieri
> >
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KR> broken head stud

[Tommy Waymack]

Had one break on the way to Red Oak,Iowa.Cylinder temp went up and was
unable to make the gathering but the plane made it home ok.checked the head
nuts and sure enough,a stud broke.Only time it has happened.Tommy W.

On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Mark Langford via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Jeff Lange wrote:
>
>
> > Bummer about the stud. What do you think caused that? It's very rare.
>
> I think it was just a bad stud.  It was new when I put it in, although it
> makes me wonder if they all shouldn't come out and some OEM or German studs
> should go back in their place (the original engine probably had OEM
> studs).  This was a brittle fracture, at first glance, and the nuts were
> torqued properly at assembly.
>
> Mark Langford
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KR> Ballast weight installation

[tommy waymack]

My KR2 is a first generation model having been started in 1977.It started
out as a no electric retract at 550lbs.Through the years and mods,it is now
an electic start fixed gear taildragger and the fuel is still in the header
at 650lbs.The engine,a VW moved forward about 2 inches and the battery
12lbs. is mounted behind the aft spar just behind the passenger seat.To
date the largest passenger has been 230lbs..Pilot is 180lbs.and fuel
capacity 24 gallons in the header.Only in the case of long xcountry flights
would I ever put more than 15 gallons in.I have only experienced aft cg
issues with a passenger but even then were manageable not recommended.The
aircraft flies best in the middle not forward or aft.Tommy W.

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Ken via KRnet  wrote:

> Hi Jeff
>
> That is exactly the point I was aiming to yesterday.  The addition of a
> single pound in the tail would require perhaps five times more in the nose
> due to the differences in distance from the CG to the tail than the the
> distance from CG to the nose.  It is quite likely the balance weight on the
> elevator is good to have but unnecessary for the KR-2 since much of it's
> top speeds have shown that most of the KR-2 have exhibited little or no
> concern.
>
> Adrian Carter and I were both building our own KR-2 at the same time in
> Calgary and we were always concerned with how to keep our projects light.
> That needs to remain the principle target with the KR-2.  I am getting
> close to finishing my plane many years after Adrian's.  I haven't commented
> on anything over the years but perhaps I should rather than just reading.
>
> Thank you
> Ken R Nathan  KR-2  C-FKRN
>
>
> On 5/11/2015 11:34 PM, Jeff Scott via KRnet wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> You are correct in that the fuselage was extended to address elevator
>> sensitivity and the firewall moved forward to move the engine forward to
>> make the plane easier to balance.  Sid just stated it a different way by
>> saying the wing was moved back by 2".  Either statement is correct.  I
>> don't think the CG envelope changed at all between the 2 and 2S as far as
>> CG range relative to the wing cord.
>>
>> I don't know why Sid's plane is so terribly tail heavy, but adding a ton
>> of weight to it isn't the way I would go about fixing it.  As someone
>> pointed out, he has balance weights on the elevator.  Those are really
>> unnecessary on the KRs.  I'd lose those in a heartbeat.  When I rebuilt the
>> tail on mine to a much larger elevator and stab, I designed it to
>> accommodate a set of balance weights, but when it came down to it, I
>> couldn't convince myself to add 4# of lead to the tail.
>>
>> Sid seems determined to fly his plane as equipped.  That seems fool hardy
>> to me and others have implied the same on the net.  Hopefully he won't hurt
>> himself in it.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> -Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>  Hi Jeff
>>>
>>> I thought the -2S had the rear fuselage extended to reduce elevator
>>> sensitivity and had the firewall moved forward to compensate by altering
>>> the
>>> engine mount position. I can well understand then why you correctly
>>> needed
>>> to add weight up front in various ways without building the firewall
>>> extension. I wasn't aware that RR changed the CoG envelopes as well to
>>> reflect any changes to wing position.
>>>
>>> I sincerely hope Sid has a successful flight but I don't understand his
>>> reluctance to get his conclusions verified by a professional given the
>>> stakes. To me it's a no brainer given the magnitude of the weights
>>> apparently needed.
>>>
>>> Regards John
>>>
>>>
>>> John Martindale
>>> 29 Jane Circuit
>>> Toormina NSW 2452
>>> Australia
>>>   ph:61 2 6658 4767
>>> m:0403 432179
>>> email:john_martindale at bigpond.com
>>> web site:
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> Scott
>>> via KRnet
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2015 4:03 AM
>>> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
>>> Cc: Jeff Scott
>>> Subject: Re: KR> Ballast weight installation
>>>
>>> Sid brings up a good point here, especially for builders that are early
>>> on
>>> in their projects..snip
>>>
>>>
>>>
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KR> Ballast weight installation

[tommy waymack]

Perhaps Sid has been giving the KR community a good example of experimental
aviation.Thank you Sid.Many of us,including myself,can be a bit reluctant
to discuss our ideas on a really important subject,weight and balance,and
how it relates to safely flying a home built aircraft.My experience tells
me how important it is in keeping the pilot alive.Not going to make a book
about it.Keep up the good work.Good engineering makes good use of all parts
of the plane.Tommy W.

On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Sid Wood via KRnet 
wrote:

> Moving the wing forward would exacerbate the problem.  The aerodynamic fix
> would be to move the wings 2-inches aft from the KR-2 plans callout.  That
> is essentially what was done with the KR-2S.  In the case of my already
> built (and flying) KR-2, moving the wings would amount to building another
> fuselage and stub wings.  I chose bolting on some steel weights.  Granted
> not the most elegant solution.  As Larry recommends, perhaps a bigger
> engine installation would indeed be the best choice.  Anyone interested in
> a firewall forward package for a Great Plains 2180 VW, Diehl case, Zenith
> carb, RR engine mount with 2" extension blocks, Sterba 52x52 prop,
> Revmaster oil cooler, Grand Rapids engine monitor with all probes and 10.6
> engine operating hours, turning 3150 RPM static WOT.
>
> Sid Wood
> Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
> Mechanicsville, MD, USA
>
> 
>
>
> I'm no aerodynamicist but seems to me the proper way to fix this problem
> is simply to move the wings forward.  Either that or shorten the tail.
>
> Using hydrogen or helium instead of air in the tires will help with
> buoyancy, which might help.  This has the side benefit of increasing the
> service ceiling.
>
> Keep in mind when playing around with lead that it is highly toxic.  It's
> against the law to use lead even for wheel weights, at least in
> California.  If your plane is loaded with lead it's possible you'll be
> stopped at the state line and have to take a bus the rest of the way.
> Lots to consider here.
>
> Mike
> KSEE
>
>
>
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KR> Ken Cottle's KR-1

[tommy waymack]

Yeah, but what a ride.Tommy W.

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 3:07 PM, sparksfly2ms--- via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Yep, I think it is about time for me too.Sparky
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Windows Mail
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Mike Stirewalt via KRnet
> Sent: ?Thursday?, ?May? ?7?, ?2015 ?6?:?45? ?AM
> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> Cc: MICHAEL Stirewalt
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm going long periods without mustering the enthusiasm needed to
> maintain and fly the aircraft so I've put this wonderful plane back on
> Barnstormers, where I found it in 2006.  We've seen even the most
> enthusiastic KR people decide to do something else - Jim Faughn comes to
> mind - but there are many on that list if you think back.  Now I'm
> joining them, sad to say.
>
> Mike
> KSEE
>
>
>
>
> 
> Sushi Safe to Eat?
> Learn Which 4 Fish to NEVER Eat avoid these like the plague!
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/554b6cae1b74e6cad2726st04vuc
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KR> how many KRs at Chino?

[tommy waymack]

I think we just did .Tommy W.


On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Mark Jones via KRnet 
wrote:

> I just read the article. Overall I thought it was decent with a few
> exceptions. Everyone has their own opinions and we don't need to get into a
> pi$$ing match about this. Earl brings up a valid point about doing a follow
> up article as well as Larry's statements about the true specs of today's
> KRs. I mean, what can I say I flew my KR2S with 450 pounds of meat sitting
> in it and it flew great and that was right at 1300 lbs gross.  Just longer
> take off roll, slower climb and longer landing roll.  If someone knows Dave
> Prizio at Kitplanes and how to get in touch with him maybe they would like
> to do a follow up article and call it "Today's REAL WORLD KR".
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Stevens Point, WI
> Email: flykr2s at charter.net
> Web: www.flykr2s.com
>
>
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KR> Whats everybody doing...

[tommy waymack]

Speaking of wheel pants.Took mine off yesterday to get some idea of
handling without them.Am thinking of putting on larger tires.to make turf
landings.My speed was 5-10 knots slower though not really a problem except
for longer flights x-country.No noticeable changes otherwise.We have a turf
runway at KPBF but it is not on the map for liability issues.It is kept up
well for ag operations and is 90 degrees to the main runway.Comes in handy
for those days when a crosswind is just to iffy to land with
confidence.Tommy W.
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Roger via KRnet 
wrote:

> Craig,

KR> testing 1..3

[tommy waymack]

First day in some time it was good to fly.Got Booger Red out flying.Plane
was hard to start,thought I might run down the battery even though it stays
on the battery maintainer.Cranked up and ran fine.Made a terrible landing
in ideal conditions.Guess one really does need to practice.Then later did 3
touch and goes.Now it's raining again.Life is good with a flying
airplane.Tommy W.
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 6:47 AM, Roger Baalman via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> I am deep into airframe wiring.  90% complete 70% to go.  I think I have
> wasted $20 in terminal ends.  The panel is now a psuedo permanent part of
> the cabin.  For access, the panel swings out, hinged on the right side
> adjacent to the glove box. Fuse/ relay panel is behind, and it also swings
> out to access contactor, volt regulator and wirebundle.
> Roger Baalman
> rbaalman at cox.net
>  >
> > >It is very quied on the net? or something is wrong, or everybody is
> > >very bussy with building or flying.
> > >Stef
> >
> >-++
> >
> > I've been busy doing the annual inspection on my KR and disassembling
> > a second 0-200 to do a rebuild and eventually an engine
> > swap.  Weather is warming now so it's about flying season
> > again.  Yeee H...
> >
> > Larry Flesner
> >
> >
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KR> KR-1S build planning

[tommy waymack]

Build a stock KR2S and configure it for single pilot.There ain't a lot of
room to begin with and you will have a comfortable airplane.It will make
building with prefab parts a lot more enjoyable and result in a great
airplane.And yes it will fly with 1835.Build it light.Tommy W.
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 12:01 AM, Chris Prata via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> James, I found there are scanned newsletters in searchable PDF format.
> Perhaps that will help.
> http://www.bouyea.net/newsletters/bitesize.htm
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 21:04:51 -0800
> > To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> > Subject: KR> KR-1S build planning
> > From: krnet at list.krnet.org
>  >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I know that there are no official KR-1S plane, but I call it that way to
> > signify that I plan to modify a KR-2S (plan is on order through Steve)
> to a
> > single seater. What I am after is a light single seater with 30 gallon
> > fuel, a 1835cc VW, 1000 miles range with 100mph cruise at 2.5g/hour.
> >
> > While I am waiting for the plan, I would prefer to use the time
> > constructively, but it is not easy. (Would be nice to have a "newbies
> start
> > here" section.)
> >
> > 1. The first problem is the overwhelming amount of KR related info. I
> have
> > yet to even touch the tip of the iceberg, and I don't know how to shift
> > through all the historical info with any efficiency. I can certainly read
> > chronologically the archives, but for example how do I search for
> fuselage
> > jig related info?
> >
> > 2. The next issue is, because there are so many modification even to the
> > KR-2S, is it possible to build a "stock KR-2S" only with the narrower
> > fuselage from plan? Every minute of research is 1 minute less building,
> and
> > my reason to start from a KR-2S because I hope that it is aerodynamically
> > and structurally "finished". Is this the case? In other words, can I just
> > follow a KR-2S plan and only deviate if I have to?
> >
> > 3. Because I have yet to figure out a way to search the archives for
> > fuselage jig, can I ask some help to locate a better one on the web, or
> if
> > you want to send me a few private pictures off line, I would highly
> > appreciate it. I am a somewhat picky builder, so I am looking for a
> pretty
> > good fuselage jig idea, the one that you would use for you NEXT KR plane.
> >
> > 4. I thought, maybe the easiest way to cut through the information logjam
> > if I talk/visit someone for a few hours who is already building or built
> a
> > KR plane. Anyone around Northern California has one? (I am in the San
> > Francisco area). You may reply offline.
> >
> > Any help is appreciated, James
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KR> Weight And ballance

[tommy waymack]

Weight and balance CG,center of gravity, is a sum of the moments[arm x
weight]of each piece divided by the sum of the weight of each piece
measured from a common datum point.The arm being measured from a common
datum point.This is how I computed radio changes in aircraft.Measure the
component distance from the datum,multiply that with the weight of the
component.This becomes the moment for the component.Add the moments to all
components and divide the sum of the weights of all components=CG.Aft of
the datum is positive and forward of the datum is negative.The datum point
can be any point the designer wants.I believe Ken used the aft face of the
main spar.Any thing I say may be wrong.Works for me.Tommy W.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 9:30 AM, jon kimmel via KRnet 
wrote:

> Weight and balance is simply a summation of weights and moments.  If you
> know the weight and centroid of the wings then you can certainly do a good
> calculation without them.  On the e-3 they often do the final weighing
> without seats, paint, and other things.  Those are added back later.
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/
> https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/parts-for-sale
> On Jan 20, 2015 9:24 AM, "stefkr2--- via KRnet" 
> wrote:
>
> > Kr friends,
> > I have maybey a stupid question.
> > We are almost at the point that we will start with the engine mount. So I
> > have heard that there is a possability to calculate the distance. So
> this I
> > will all understand. I want to do 1 weight And ballance sesion (2 pax, 1
> > pax, full fuel, low fuel).
> > I want to do an exstra weight sesion without Wings. This all outside. Is
> > there a possiblity to calculate all the data so I can do a w without
> > wings so we can do this inside, to check that the engine mount is oke. Or
> > do you all say, this is not possible And you need for a good check in all
> > times the wings.
> > Greets and thank you
> > Stef
> >
> > --
> > Steph and his dad are building the KR-2S see
> > http://www.masttotaalconcept.nl/kr2
> >
> >
> >
> >
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KR> Ken Atkinson's English KR2S website

[tommy waymack]

The problem noted with the canopy handle sounded a little picky at first
but it was the first indication that my KR might have a similar problem.For
years I had flown my KR with a canopy handle that protruded about an inch
and 2 inches long in the slipstream.Never noticed any problem until I read
the article.For years I had a tricky landing anomoly.When I lowered the
tail it wanted to turn to the left or right and I just expected it and got
used to it thinking it was xwind or a burble.Decided to try
something,removed the handle from the side of the canopy.Landing anomoly
gone.The vortex caused by the change in angle of attach was pushing the
rudder and creating an unstable condition in yaw.Thanks to the information
Willie and Mark made available my plane is much easier and safer to
operate.Thank you KRnet.Tommy W.
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Mark Langford via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> KRnetHeads,
>
> Since it's quiet tonight, I'll throw this one out there.  Back in 2010,
> Willie Wilson posted his first flight report on Ken Atkinson's English
> KR2S.   There are several unique things about this plane...Ken built a
> custom trailer for it that facilitates off-field storage and makes the
> whole "removable wing" thing viable, and a sweet flap/drag brake to slow it
> down for his short field.   I made a web page out of it, with 14 pictures
> that Willie took.
>
> Then I went back to Liverpool on business in 2011 and arranged to see it
> in person, and took the remaining 100 or so photos, which I finally got
> around to adding this week.  I re-discovered these because I was looking
> for the front deck overhanging the firewall. This example is not exactly
> what I had in mind, but it does show several ways to retain the firewall
> while supporting the front deck and cowling.  Note the use of optimized
> thin sheet metal (looks like stainless, unless it's highly polished
> "aluminium") by rolling the edges 90 degrees to increase resistance to
> bending.
>
>  There is a lot of meticulous attention to detail in this plane, proving
> that a "clean" plane can be built on a budget, with a little ingenuity.
> See http://www.krnet.org/krs/katkinson/ for details. The passenger seat
> was converted to an in-flight "desk", since CAA rules have assigned such a
> low gross weight value to the KRs as to make them practically one-seaters...
>
> --
>
> Mark Langford
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KR> radio

[tommy waymack]

Your're grounding the A+ aircraft power when you key the mike.Make sure the
mike key line out of the radio  is correct.Tommy W.
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Randy Moore Newbern Tn. N318RM via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

>
> you have a ground prob.  Randy Moore
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Pesak via KRnet 
> To: KRnet 
> Sent: Wed, Oct 15, 2014 5:23 pm
> Subject: KR> radio
>
>
> Hi everyone,
> Talking radio problems, Every time I key the mike strange things happen on
> my
> panel. The trim LED lights go all the way to the down to the bottom of the
> scale,  the ammeter shows about + 20 amps, and it caused my clock to go hay
> wire. I hope this is something simple as grounding.
>  Thanks, Robert
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KR> Upside down rudder pedals

[tommy waymack]

Just had to get in on this one.Have flown my taildragger with the original
landing retracts with cable brakes,mechanical drums connected together and
activated together as per the original design.They worked pretty well
except the drums would warp with heat issues.Then I went with the fixed
landing gear and installed the Great Plains disc brakes with heel activated
cylinders.They worked ok but did not have the stopping power of the
drums.They also proved that I could be as good a dancer as Fred Astaire if
I practiced enough.Rudder sensitivity is not a problem until you add heel
brakes.My good friend Noel Breaux decided to buy Jim Hills trigear KR but
needed Jim to install a hand brake as Noel had an artifical left leg from
below the knee.Jim agreed and installed a differential hand brake to the
forward side of the front spar.Noel loved the plane and flew it till he
passed away with cancer.Stay with me.Noel's wife asked me to sell the
plane.The new owner wanted toe brakes so I changed them to the original
configuration.I kept the hand brake assembly and after some time and
thought decided to try differential hand brakes on my taildragger.At first
it appeared to be as dumb an idea as it sounds.I had to reach up  and bend
my body to reach the levers.Not a good idea when landing a KR
taildragger.The Great Plains brakes became much stronger with the levers
than with heel cylinders and that made control a problem.What I did next
would sell me on the whole project.I had a control line handle with cable
length adjustment left over from my model airplane days and came up with a
simple connection to the levers at a point half way up the lever.just a
loop on each lever that aloud me to apply the brakes without reaching
except to reach for the control line handle in my lap.Landings have become
a none event.The rudder pedals are used to point the plane and brakes are
used to stop the plane and I don't have to worry about one driving the
other.Tommy W.PS some one offered to send me a deposit on the plane and as
bad as I could the money,I just could not sell the plane.Guess they will
pry it from my cold dead hands.

KR> Nvaero

[tommy waymack]

Steve,I get it.Sounds like you made a good call to me.Tommy W.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Joe Davis via KRnet 
wrote:

> On 09/02/2014 05:43 AM, Mark Langford via KRnet wrote:
>
>>
>> ML at N56ML.com
>> website at http://www.N56ML.com 
>> 
>> Well said !!!
>>
>>
>>
>

KR> Kr2 at Oshkosh.

[tommy waymack]

Thanks Colin,Great story and I believe every word.Maybe that's because I'm
a KR pilot and know of what you speak.Your trip is something special.Best
of luck,Fly safe.Tommy W.

On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM, colin hales via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

>
>
>
> Hi there again.
> Sorry to write twice, I don't think I wrote in time to get included in
> yesterday or today's list.
> but I just wanted to make entirely clear... I'm the only person at fault.
> Me and my demons.
> The EAA organisers and staff at Oshkosh did ... NOT ... know I was coming.
> It was turning into a battle and a race against time.
> With out getting spiritual here, but I'm not the luckiest guy on the
> planet. I knew, as soon as I told the EAA I was on my way to Oshkosh, it
> would have instantly doomed my journey to complete failure. Heck I only
> just made it as it was.
> I had been stuck in Iceland 3 weeks with weather, delayed with a broken
> oil cooler in Greenland. Blown off my feet in Canada, I sincerely thought
> with just 3 days to go before the END if the show and being thousands of
> miles away, I was glad I hadn't told the EAA, because I would have looked
> foolish as there was no way the weather was going to sort itself out and I
> wouldn't cook the engine trying to limp the aircraft there without an oil
> cooler.
> But...
> Anyway, top result, EAA looked after me amazingly while I was there.
> Kermit Meeks hangar, to do the work on renewing the oil cooler.
> So, lets just make the best of thing.
> The KR2 doesn't have the best reputation, well not in my country. I'm not
> travelling to try to change this or travelling for 'World Piece' or to
> 'Save the whale', the Kr2 I built when I was younger and I'm travelling in
> it just because I am. But in travelling with my Kr2, people see it, and
> nothing needs to be said. I've overheard people say, "Can't be all that bad
> if he flew all that way!" Job done... Don't need to pressure or push or
> persuade. Seeing is believing.
> So, I'm writing an article for our association back home, I'll send a copy
> to the EAA, I hope they might consider publishing it. its entertaining,
> that's all you can hope to do, get someone to read something positive about
> Kr2's or grass routes aircraft that's slightly different. Heck some of the
> things that happened that I've talked to people about, have them falling
> over and telling me I'm making it up... you get people to read and think, I
> enjoyed that, I'll read another. Again, job done...
> So, all smiles people, and as you do like to say... "Have a good day!"
> Regards Colin.
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KR> Brakes

[tommy waymack]

Joe,Had heel brakes,hydraulic, on the KR taildragger set up with the
cylinder laid almost horizontal,maybe 20 degrees to the floor.The pedal was
a round,slightly curved,aluminum piece,drilled and tapped,attached to the
cylinder shaft.Great Plains brakes on the wheels.Worked for many years.I
removed a hand brake set up from my bro's trigear KR and installed on the
taildragger.Without going into a lot of detail,let's just say the hand
brake is my favorite.My KR is sensitive to rudder inputs and the
handbrake,differential,is easier to control during the landing
rollout.Tommy W.

On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Jeff Scott via KRnet 
wrote:

>
>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 at 7:55 AM
> > From: "joe.kr2s.builder--- via KRnet" 
> > To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> > Subject: KR> Brakes
> >
> > Hey guys,Does anyone have heel breaks installed? if so got any pictures?
> How do they work?Joe HortonCoopersburg, Pa
> >
>
> Joe,
>
> I've got hydraulic heel brakes (Matco Cylinders and Cleveland brakes) on
> my homebuilt SuperCub.  You're welcome to fly it with me when you're here
> next month.  I have seen them mounted with a set of small flat pedals
> mounted directly on the end of the brake cylinders on a KR.  Mine are set
> up so the cylinders are at roughly 50% of the length of the brake pedal so
> I have some pretty good leverage with the brakes.  My SuperCub is the 4th
> plane I've owned with heel brakes (out of 10 planes so far).  Two were
> mechanical heel brakes, which I don't recommend.  Heel brakes have both
> advantages and disadvantages.  With heel brakes you don't put any pressure
> on your rudder pedals for braking.  When you need to brakes, you learn to
> fly the rudders with your ankles and the brakes with your knees to push
> your heels, so takes a bit more coordination.  Since I have quite a bit of
> time flying with both types, I seem to be fine with switching back and
> forth between using heel and toe brakes.  I just scanned through my web
> site and don't have any good photos of the brake configuration on the
> SuperCub.  I need to pull the front seat out of the Cub this evening
> anyway, so I'll try to remember to take my camera and get you a picture or
> two.
>
> -Jeff Scott
> Los Alamos, NM
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KR> Off Subject a bit

[tommy waymack]

By all means,Eric,may you awake to a new life with a healthy heart.Tommy W.

On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 8:30 AM, joe.kr2s.builder--- via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Hey folks- I believe in being supportive to friends in every way. Eric
> Pitts is undergoing heart surgery this morning and I would like to see the
> KR community support him with well wishes or prayers. Thank youJoe Horton
>
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KR> Phun Phriday Phact & ADS-B Installation

[tommy waymack]

Went to an ADS-B seminar put on by the local radio shop with Garmin
rep,Aspen rep and Freeflight rep last Satuurday.No matter how much one
thinks they know,learning something over is good.The point I came across
with was the 1090ES transponder will benefit those going above 18000' since
it is required on those above that altitude.And the UAT,universal access
transceiver,will benefit those wanting to meet the mandate and gain the
benefit of ADS-B IN service.Footnote,the GDL-39 works well for ADS-B IN but
has no transmitt capability to comply with ADS-B OUT.Gotta use the GDL-88
or Freeflight Ranger UAT.Yeah I know about the experimental category.The
technology is still the same.Tommy W.Thanks for the info on this group.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Jeff Scott via KRnet  wrote:

> Joe, Which GPS model has that?  I'd be kind of curious as I easily fly a
> lot more miles than I drive.  About the farthest I drive is to the gas
> station 35 miles away to get another 100 gallons of Mogas to feed the
> planes. :o)
>
> BTW, I recently installed the SkyGuard Vision Pro ADS-B Transceiver
> companion to go with my iFly 720 GPS.  I have photos of the installation on
> my web site  on the instrument panel page.  I
> will likely add some screen shots of the TIS-B traffic overlay on the
> iFly720 after I get a chance to fly it a bit more this weekend.
>
> My first impression: This is not a replacement for the Mk 1 eyeballs, but
> it is nice to have it show you where to look to find traffic.  At most of
> your local airports, the traffic information will be less than reliable as
> much of it is Mode-C traffic that is picked up by radar at center, then
> rebroadcast via the ADS-B tower.  So, most traffic won't show up in the
> traffic pattern as they are likely to be below Center's radar, or if you
> are below the line of site from your local ADS-B tower, you aren't likely
> to receive the data even if they are on center's radar.  However, if the
> local traffic is broadcasting either Mode S with 1090ES or UAT you will map
> them all the way to the ground.  So, this will improve as more planes equip
> with either 1090ES or UAT transmitters.  While in the pattern, your eyes
> belong outside the cockpit rather than scanning for traffic on the GPS
> where it is likely to not appear.  Performance of the unit is likely to be
> significantly better near major hubs where the radar and ADS-B towers are
> both going to be close by.
>
> The good part is for traffic while flying cross country.  While at
> altitude, you and any conflicting traffic are likely to be on Center's
> radar and within range of an ADS-B tower.  Under that circumstance, it's
> great for deconflicting with other traffic.  One caveat is that Mode-C
> traffic that is being picked up by radar and rebroadcast via the ADS-B
> tower has a significant delay, so the traffic is often times well past
> where they are being painted on the display.  Traffic that is broadcasting
> 1090ES or UAT is depicted with an accurate position.  This unit would be
> all but useless in my SuperCub as I am rarely more than a few hundred feet
> off the deck.  But in the KR, it's a welcome addition.
>
> -Jeff Scott
> Los Alamos, NM
>
>
> > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 at 9:28 AM
> > From: "joe.kr2s.builder--- via KRnet" 
> > To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> > Subject: KR> Phun Phriday Phact
> >
> > I just ran across a odometer on my gps while I was programing in the
> trip to Chino. It shows just shy of 12000 miles flown presumably since I
> bought it 4 years ago. I thought it was interestingJoe Horton
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KR> One stick or two

[tommy waymack]

Dual sticks and center throttle.And single rudder pedals with differential
hand brakes taildragger.Not really a trainer but good for demos.Tommy W.

On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Mark Langford via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Todd Rayner wrote:
>
>>
>
>

KR> How do you test a transponder?

[tommy waymack via KRnet]

Correction for my last post.The GDL 39 is not a transceiver,a receiver
only,and would not be considered A UAT.Tommy W.


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Jeff Scott via KRnet 
wrote:

> The Mode C veil is not going to go away. Instead, in 2020 you will have an
> additional requirement of either a Mode-S transponder with extended
> squitter and GPS position reporting encoded into the extended squitter
> (known as 1090-ES) to replace your Mode-C transponder, or you can have
> ADS-B Out (978 UAT) in addition to your Mode-C transponder. You get to pick
> your poison.
>
> Note: this 2020 requirement only applies with few exceptions to the same
> areas where Mode-C is currently required if you have an electric system
> equipped aircraft.
>
> FWIW, I currently use a Mode-C transponder and ADS-B weather services
> (FIS-B) along with PCAS for traffic avoidance. By the end of this year, I
> plan to have my KR fully equipped with ADS-B traffic in (TIS-B in) and out
> (TIS-B out) along with ADS-B weather (FIS-B), all through my GPS with a 978
> UAT to go along with my old Mode-C transponder. If you fly around traffic
> very much, you'll find these services to be quite handy.
>
> -Jeff Scott
> Los Alamos, NM
>
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KR> How do you test a transponder?

[tommy waymack via KRnet]

Here's my story concerning transponders.Rick Human gave a good description
of Mode S and ADSB.I removed my KT-76 and ACK30 encoder from the KR because
it was dead weight as far as I was concerned.The units worked fine but my
flying was not in class A,B,or C airspace.And yes it is better to have one
and not need it than need it and not have one.The KT-76 in my plane was as
good as they come.I gave $400 bucks for it years ago.I was able to install
it and do the 2 year tests because I spent the last 40 years in avionics.I
put the transponder,encoder,and harness on barnstormers for $250 and it
sold the first day.The buyer was leery because it was so cheap.Told him to
try it and if it did not work send it back for a refund.Here is the
caveat.I started installing GA avionics in 1975 when the KT-76 not the
KT-76A was state of the art.No one should think a 40 year transponder is
worth what people regularly give for them for the fact that the RF cavity
could fail any minute and render the bargain transponder useless.Sure you
can repair it,for about the cost of a new transponder[Mode C].The same is
true for any used Mode C unit.ADS-B "OUT" is mandated for Class A,B,and C
airspace by 2020.ADS-B out can be accomplished using Mode S with extended
squitter.It will NOT give the aircraft you are in the info "IN" just the
required ADS-B OUT.A UAT transceiver such as the GarminGDL 39 will be used
for ADS-B IN or into the plane you are flying.The new system using
satellite technology is up and running.It works well an will only get
better and it is up to the owner operator to take advantage of the
capability afforded to us by the best ATC system in aviation.Tommy W.


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:30 AM, Robert7721 via KRnet 
wrote:

> My airplane setup is pretty close to what you are describing. I have a
> Dynon D6 and use its encoder output to provide altitude to a used Collins
> Transponder I purchased on the ebay avionics list for $400.  It hasn't
> change from 1200 since the day I installed it but it does work fine. The
> Collins 850 was the only "old" transponder type I could find to fit behind
> my panel as it is only 8.5" deep.
>
>
> Rob Schmitt
> N1852Z
> www.robert7721.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike T via KRnet 
> To: brian.kraut ; KRnet <
> krnet at list.krnet.org>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 4, 2014 12:08 am
> Subject: Re: KR> How do you test a transponder?
>
>
> I'm planning on getting a Dynon D6 EFIS, which is currently $1600.  This
> replaces all the primary instruments and several others as well, and its
> altimeter is encoding.  I'm waiting on that because the price will only go
> down (unless Dynon introduces a new model -- then it will REALLY go down).
>
> So at the moment, I don't have an encoder, an antenna, or anything else.
> But the transponder was a Terra 250 D, which I've lusted after for a long
> time.  I was flying a few weeks ago with a guy who just put one in his
> Kitfox and loves it.
>
> However, it's not so rare that I can't wait awhile, especially if Mode S is
> really going to be required.  I wish someone would introduce a cheap
> transponder for sport pilot planes and others who only fly VFR.  It would
> be fine with me if it only broadcast at 1200.
>
> Mike Taglieri
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:18 PM, via KRnet  wrote:
>
> > Reminds me of something I did on my plane.  As an electronics designer,
> > this would be too embarassing to tell this story, but hopefully it will
> > save someone else from doing the same thing.
> >
> > When I bought my M2 I knew that it needed a transponder test before I
> > could operate mode C legally.  Wanting to make sure it at least worked
> > before I brought it to a shop to pay for a static test I thought I would
> > check it first.  Went up a few thousand feet and called a tower to
> > confirm that they could read my code.  Then switched on Mode C and they
> > had no altitude report.  Tried again the next week and same thing even
> > though the guy I bought it from said it worked fine.
> >
> > Pulled the transponder and brought it to a friend that had the test
> > equipment and he confirmed it was fine so must be the encoder.  No
> > problem, I had a spare.  Put it in the plane, called a tower, turned on
> > Mode C, no altitude.  Arrrgh.
> >
> > Bought a used one from Wentworth and tried it, no luck.  Had them send
> > me another, still no good.
> >
> > Transponder and all wiring good so I decided that I must be overlooking
> > something so I built an encoder test set (fairly easy with just
> > resistors and LEDs to read the grey code).  Hooked it up with tubing
> > through a T going to the encoder and an altimeter so I could read the
> > code and verify it was correct.  Powered up and altitude read something
> > like 200' and would not change on all three encoders, weird.
> >
> > While pondering what could be wrong all of a sudden the altitude changed
> > and I verified by pulling vacuum with the syringe that it was correct.
> > Turns out 

KR> KR2 for sale.

[tommy waymack via KRnet]

This is a good project for the money.20 years ago,I gave $2900 For my KR
and it was not nearly as well done or complete.Someone will get a good
plane.My KR has 750+hrs and still going strong.Tommy W.


On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 8:46 AM, MrKswildman . via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Friends, my apologies, I forgot to post the link for the KR2 $3000.00 OBO.
>
> http://www.krnet.org/krs/gzortman/
>
> As for my medical, time will tell if I ever fly again.
> Happy adventures/progress
>
> Galen
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KR> Sanding Blocks

[tommy waymack via KRnet]

I have a roll of Norton 40x Resinall Metalite Cloth 29 inches wide and 80
ft. long.If anyone would like to have some for sanding,contact me off the
net.Tommy Waymack Pine Bluff,Arkansas


On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Wayne Tokarz via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> I also build R/C planes and the hobby shops sell sandpaper on the roll for
> about 5 -7$ It has a sticky back and you can stick it to almost anything,
> angle iron/aluminum, edge of 2 X 4, etc. worked great for me.
>
> Wayne
>
> -Original Message-
> From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of
> ppaulvsk at aol.com via KRnet
> Sent: May-16-14 8:07 AM
> To: via KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> Sanding Blocks
>
> That's a good idea and its cheaper than the floor sander paper.
>
> Paul Visk
> Bellev
>
> Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "via KRnet" 
> Date: Fri, May 16, 2014 7:21 am
> Subject: KR> Sanding Blocks
> To: "Adam Tippin" , "KRnet" 
>
> Another suggestion that I used is the stuff they sell to keep you from
> slipping - comes rough and has a sticky back.
> Paul N7970K
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Adam Tippin via KRnet" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:38:47 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> Sanding Blocks
>
> Little late but just found your email in spam folder.
> Rap the sand paper around three sides and staple the two sides that you
> don't intend to use.
> On Apr 26, 2014 7:01 PM,  wrote:
>
> >
> > Any suggestions on sanding blocks. I made a 4ft board for my
> > horizontal stabilizer out of a straight 2x4. I'm having problems
> > keeping the sandpaper on
> >  the board. I used contact cement and that's not seem to hold and when
> > the edges  peal up it digs into the foam. I'm at the start of a lot of
> > sanding and I figure  there's a LOT of experience out there with
> > sanding.  I could definitely use  some suggestions.
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > Paul  Visk
> > Belleville Il.
> > 618-406-4705
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KR> New email program.

[tommy waymack via KRnet]

My biggest headache was with the 32mm posa.Too leaky for hand prop and too
lean on the high end.In all fairness to posa,mine was probably too
big[32mm] for an 1835.Had good luck with the GPAS zenith and Ellison
EFS2.The Ellison gave me some problems until I discovered a hole in the
diaphram.Replaced it with the tillotson diaphram.No problems since.Still
needs primer for start.Tommy W.


On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Jeff Scott via KRnet
wrote:

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KR> Drag????

[tommy waymack via KRnet]

Just got to get in on this one.I agree with almost everything said.Been
flying my KR2 since 1990 without flaps or b board.Not because I don't want
it but just haven't put one on.Landing is not a problem for me.I did own
and fly an Avid Flyer with a VW conversion.The flaperons were great for
landing and even takeoff,so I understand the reason people like the change
in landing configuration.I did win a spot landing contest in Perry OK with
the KR sans flaps/b board.Yeah I'm bragging and still enjoy the
discussion.I even learn something.Please keep it coming.Tommy W.


On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 7:33 AM, via KRnet  wrote:

> At 03:14 AM 5/11/2014, you wrote:
>
>> no one has the right to belittle others, especially for trivialities.
>>
> ++
>
> P.S.  With 500+ hours flight time in a KR, there is nothing "trivial"
> about deployable drag for landing.  Our strong opinions are based on
> reality, not theory.
>
> Larry Flesner
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KR> Fw: Re: Propellers

[tommy waymack via KRnet]

gt; get it to perform at our 7000' elevation here in Los Alamos. I returned the
> prop to Ed Sterba for some adjustment to the pitch. When I got it back, it
> really didn't perform any differently, nor did the engine turn up any
> better. I called Ed and discussed the issue with him and we formulated a
> plan. The issue was that the prop was simply too long for the engine as the
> tip drag was using up all the horsepower rather than generating thrust. I
> took a ruler and marked the prop tips in 1/8" increments. I would take the
> plane out for a test ride, then come back and saw 1/8" off both prop tips,
> reducing the diameter of the prop by 1/4" increments. With each pass, the
> engine turned up more, with some gain in performace through about 3 or 4
> iterations. The next iteration I saw more rpm, but no change in
> performance. Then the next iteration the engine again gained rpm, but the
> take off and climb performace was showing a definite decrease. I would have
> loved to have continued cutting on the prop to see how much more it would
> drop off, but since I couldn't add back onto the prop, decided to stop
> there.
> > >
> > > I also built and fly a SuperCub. It's pretty common knowledge and has
> been demonstrated over and over that if you want a 160 HP SuperCub to get
> off the ground short, you take off the stock 74 x 58 McCauley prop and
> install an 84 x 43 McCauley prop. The rpms are about the same, but the
> plane will get off the ground much quicker (roughly half the distance!) and
> climb significantly better. It's pretty obvious that the longer prop pulls
> better. The thrust difference is quantifyable by pulling static against a
> scale. A number of the SuperCub guys have done just that to prove it out.
> Craig Catto is in the process of develping an STC to use his long 82 - 84"
> props on certificated SuperCubs. However, everything with a prop is a
> compromise. To get that super take off and climb performance out of a
> SuperCub, the tip drag is high enough at cruise speeds that the SuperCubs
> lose roughly 10 mph off the top end of their cruise. Why not go to a 93"
> prop? The tip speed is high enough that the tips are creating so much drag
> that all of the HP gets used up just driving the tips around in a circle,
> so the thrust drops off.
> > >
> > > From Valley Engineering (Culver Props): The efficiency of a propeller
> is reduced as the tip speed approaches the speed of sound. Beyond 80% of
> the speed of sound, further increases in RPM has little effect on thrust.
> Thus, it is important to keep tip speeds below 75%-80% of Mach.
> > >
> > > Bottom line, you tune your prop for the performace you want.
> Everything on a prop is a compromise. Within reasonable limits a lower
> pitch, longer prop will provide more thrust for initial take off and climb.
> > >
> > > -Jeff Scott
> > > Los Alamos, NM
> > > <http://jeffsplanes.com>
> > >
> > >> - Original Message -
> > >> From: schmleff . via KRnet
> > >> Sent: 05/09/14 11:39 AM
> > >> To: tommy waymack, KRnet
> > >> Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Re: Propellers
> > >>
> > >> Not to start an argument, but I have to disagree ; )
> > >>
> > >> How a prop works on a particular airplane is based on the amount of
> > >> air moved (past the cowl, not smashing into it) and the velocity of
> > >> that air. I have never been able to find a real reference to the
> > >> ?large diameter prop=better climb? theory nor have I seen it work in
> > >> real life.
> > >>
> > >> On Pete?s KR, the Cloudcars 52x54 out climbs the 56x52 Sterba. Lots of
> > >> factors there, but to sum up, the smaller diameter allows the engine
> > >> to spin up more and make more power. The increased pitch makes up for
> > >> the lesser disk area.
> > >>
> > >> On my SI, I have tried about 2 dozen prop variations from a 54x42 down
> > >> to a 47.75x50. Climb performance between the two are about the same,
> > >> but the top speed is radically more with the later. I?m not saying
> > >> that a prop that small would work on a KR since the frontal area is
> > >> greater. I would be curious to hear from someone that has experimented
> > >> to find just how small of a prop is still effective on a KR.
> > >>
> > >> I recently put up some prop, climb and speed data on my blog here:
> > >> http://schmleff.blogspot.com/2014/04/skye-racer-history-part-1.html
> > >>
> > >> Jeff Lange
> > >> Race 64 - Skye Racer
> > >> Blog: http://schmleff.blogspot.com
> > >> Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/schmleff
> > >>
> > >> On May 9, 2014, at 10:47 AM, tommy waymack via KRnet
> > >>  wrote:
> > >
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KR> Fw: Re: Propellers

[tommy waymack via KRnet]

The longer the prop the better climb performance of the aircraft.The magic
of prop science never seems clear.That maybe why we call it
EXPERIMENTAL.And yes I do learn a lot from it.Tommy W.


On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Randall Smith via KRnet <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Every prop I have cut had given me 100 rpm per in up to 3".
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 8, 2014, at 11:44 AM, "joe.kr2s.builder at juno.com via KRnet" <
> krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Doran Jaffas wrote:
> >> Just curious if anyone has run a 50 inch propeller. I have a 52 by 47
> and
> >> am thinking of trimming it down to 50 inches the add a couple of hundred
> >> rpm.
> >
> >
> >
> > My experience with a 2" difference in prop diameter and no other change
> is only in the neighborhood of 50 to 70 rpm increase. I am not sure if it
> is a standard number or if there is a linear change as I was testing from
> 60" diameter down to 54" diameter. I surely think that a 200 rpm increase
> is a bit on the hopeful side.Joe Horton,Coopersburg, Pa
> > 
> > Do THIS before eating carbs every time
> > 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat
> storage
> > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/536bb4bc7d12034bc496dst02duc
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KR> Revflow carby

[tommy waymack]

If you can find one ,anEllison EFS-2 is a good carb for the KR.Tommy W.

On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:27 PM, robert gill  wrote:

> To "Roger Bulla" everything that you described is exactly what is
> happening with mine, I can get it to run smooth at full WOT. on climb and
> really high EGT's, (and no its not on the lean side) then reducing the
> throttle into the mid range and low end,  the mixture control is so far
> back its almost to the point of no fuel, an example yesterday for touch and
> goes I was doing is why I don't like it, was when I went to open the
> throttle approx 1/4" i forgot to richen the mix first before moving the
> throttle and I swear that if i hadn't have got onto the mix when i did the
> engine would have stopped and I would have been though the fence on the end
> of the strip, you need a throttle that will respond straight away at least
> with a small amount of throttle movement.Let me know how you get on with
> your Revflow Rodger, like you, i like the design of the revfow  and
> alternate flow ram air intake, If i have to change carbs  i also will have
> to reshape my cowl to suit.
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KR> rotax

[tommy waymack]

Eduaerdo,Thanks for the input on the KR gathering in Argentina.Very much
like the one in US.Fly safe.Tommy W.

On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Eduardo Barros wrote:

> In argentina fly a Kr 2s with Rotax 582, 65 HP, is Pupato?s KR
>
> Can you see a video of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKSCRSWfXNw
>
> And pictures:
>
> 1? Encuentro de constructores KRs en Argentina 2005
> http://www.kr2-egb.com.ar/Encuentro%202005.htm
>
> 2? Encuentro de constructores KRs en Argentina 2006
> http://www.aeroclubsanpedro.com.ar/Encuentro%202006.htm
>
> 3? Encuentro de constructores KRs en Argentina 2007
> http://www.aeroclubsanpedro.com.ar/Encuentro%202007.htm
>
> 4? Encuentro de constructores KRs en Argentina 2008
> http://www.aeroclubsanpedro.com.ar/Encuentro%202008.htm
>
> Saludos
>
> Eduardo Barros
> San Pedro, Bs. As., Argentina
>

KR> stall spin

[tommy waymack]

Did a tuft experiment on my wing and found the wing stalls inboard first.Or
maybe outboard first,it was a while back.My point is the aileron has more
authority during the stall because there is still a part of the wing with
aileron that is controling the lift and gives the KR good low speed
control.That may account for the aileron control.If you ever stall the
whole wing you have lost it completely and we may not here about that
manuver.Tommy W.

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Larry Flesner
wrote:

>
>
> Here is a question to get us thinking outside the box.  During the flair
> on landing, when approaching the stall, do you use rudder or aileron to
> keep the wings level?
>
> And how about "full stall landings", a term I consider to be totally
> inaccurate.  How many times, when pilots say they do "full stall landings",
> do they feel "airframe buffeting" before touchdown?
>
> I get my magneto parts today.  Hope to be flying again soon.
>
> Have a nice day
>
> Larry Flesner
>
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KR> 1/4" aluminum tubing adapaters

[tommy waymack]

Looked at ML'sweb page,great documentation,and saw the part about Ellison
carb diaphrams.I had a diaphram go bad.It developed a leak,probably from
old age.The good news is it will give you plenty of warning.The engine
would not run at high power settings.After some head scratching I asked an
engine guru what to look for.He recommended the Tillotson diaphram.With my
inhibition to open parts that are sealed with lead overcome,opened it up
and replaced the diaphram.Problem solved.Ellison does not recommend this
fix and I totally understand their posion.Carbs are probably one of the
most important parts on the plane.Tommy W.

On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:33 AM, Mark Langford  wrote:

> Joe Wallace wrote:
>
> Am working on the fuel system and using alum lines from the two wing tanks
>> to a central location and pump to the main   looking for fittings and
>> don't understand and can't find what I think should be in the catalogs.
>>  need suggestions.. using 1/4 line...
>>
>
>

KR> tailspring?

[tommy waymack]

The tail spring on Jim's plane ,now ML's,was made from a mold that came
from Deihl.Martin Roberts had the first and then the mold made the
rounds.Some one probably knows where it is.Thats all I know.Tommy W.

On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 10:11 PM, Mark Langford  wrote:

> Larry Flesner wrote:
>
> Those are made from the same material as the Diehl gear legs and can be
>> cut down and make excellent main gear legs for the KR,  real cheap.
>>
>
>

KR> 1992 KR 2 $5500

[tommy waymack]

I agree with everything said.Airplane projects are not for the thrift
minded person.Build the plane you want,but if you want to save money I
would suggest a bank account.Tommy W.

On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Larry Flesner
wrote:

>
> Lee Van Dyke wrote:
>>
>>> That's 8000 worth of stuff, already put together
>>>
>> 
>> Probably so, but Galen's description leaves a lot of questions to be
>> answered.
>> Mark Langford
>>
> ++
>
> Good advise Mark.  Sometimes our want of an airplane can lead us down the
> road to financial misfortune.  I've seen projects and flying KR's that I
> wouldn't take home or fly if the owner paid ME.  Sellers should do their
> best to qualify what they are selling and buyers should approach a sale
> with the attitude of "mistakes could be fatal".  If you are looking to
> purchase a KR an not familiar with the design, find someone who is and ask
> for their help.  When I began with a "just started" project I had to
> totally remove the entire firewall and trash the spars.I ended up with
> a three sided, open ended boat, with additional building material,  that I
> probably paid too much for. There are good projects and good deals out
> there.  Just take the time to know what you're getting.  Caveat
> emptor...
>
> HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL.
>
> Larry Flesner
>
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KR> video Bob !!

[tommy waymack]

Don Moran and his wife were videographers at the gatherings before Bob came
in.Bob's videos are a bit better but Don's are worth watching.Good KR
history in those videos.Tommy W.

On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Larry Flesner
wrote:

>
>
>  All of the Videos came from BOB, Virg
>> ++**+++
>> My videos started in 1996 at Pine Bluff.  (Video Bob )
>>
>
> ++**+++
>
> Any idea who took the 1991 and 1992 video?
>
> Larry Flesner
>
>
>
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KR> 2013 gathering educational and Macroscopic "plans" suggestion

[tommy waymack]

The KR2/2S is what it is.Safety comes from the builder-pilot.The design has
not changed because it was somehow flawed.The beauty of the KR series is
its ability to provide a good flying aircraft at an affordable cost.Be
happy,keep building,keep flying,don't worry.Tommy W.

On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Craig Williams  wrote:

> I couldn't agree more.  But who is gonna do all that work.  It is quite an
> undertaking.
>
> Craig
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 1:14 PM, Bryce Guenther <
> guentheraviator at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Small gathering was a joy and as always educational, I'm thankful and
> thank everyone being friendly sharing discussing topics they and possibly
> others are interested in to be knowledgeable about.
> None of us have all the answers but we are all interested and talking with
> everyone in the forums was fun. Generally the KR has evolved and still is
> because builders have features they desire. When KR
>
> aircraft changed from the way Ken had it and the way the KR2S is now a
> drastically different airplane. The faster and more powerful KR2S has
> developed stability and necessary belly board/flap aerodynamic controls
> that are safety of flight issues. We talk and listen and listen to what
> others have built and what others want. The new builders want and get
> projects then desire features that have out grown what they have or
> invested time building only to discover they need major changes for safety
> , mainly empenage tail surface enlargement, higher gross weight and they CG
> range issue that needs to be edited in the plans.  To suggest to the KR
> community that New plans be drawn up on Auto Cad that contain popular
> features beyond what the KR2S has and that what the KR community has R
> would certainly be entertaining to new builders. The facilitating KR1,KR2,
> KR2S, etc.plans with realistic advertising specifications for each to
> enable builders a closer design
> end product choice is a goal to keep the KR alive. Neophyte builders who
> are not kit builders and like the KR designs are protected in the
> builder/designer designation rather than kit builder designation.
> Protection as Experimental category is valuable for ELSA pilots designating
> what the performance numbers of their peculiar design is rather than what a
> "KIT" is regulated by the manufacture publishes. Would multiple basic
> builder plans be practical? Opinions?
>
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KR> to glass or not to glass

[tommy waymack]

After 10-12 years my fuselage started to pucker and delaminate like plywood
does after weathering.So I stripped the paint and went back with deck cloth
over the wood,sides and bottom.Now after 23 years it is fine.Obviously
everyone does it differently but for my situation the cloth is worth
doing.Tommy W.

On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 12:24 AM, Jeff Scott  wrote:

> The question is whether it is necessary or common to glass the sides of
> the fuselage.  The answer is no, it is not necessary, but yes, it is fairly
> common.  Larry did his.  Dan didn't glass his.  The plans don't call for
> it, not that any of us pay much attention to the plans.
>
> Just my opinion, but I'm with Dan on this one.  My KR has nearly 1000 hrs
> flight time and over 16 years behind it now and isn't showing any ill
> effects from being finished with primer and paint.
>
> -Jeff Scott
> Los Alamos, NM
>
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Robert Boyd
> > Sent: 09/13/13 01:16 PM
> > To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> > Subject: KR> to glass or not to glass
> >
> > Is it necessary or common to cover the fuselage with a layer of glass? Or
> > just a coat of epoxy? I seem to be getting told a few different things
> buy
> > some guys in the area so I thought that I would put it out to all the
> > experts in the KR2 family.
> > Bob in Frazeysburg Ohio
>
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KR> SkyView Panel installation Completed

[tommy waymack]

Dan.Good job on the avionics retrofit.You just doubled the value of the
aircraft.Tommy W.

On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Dan Heath  wrote:

> This shows all the parts installed in the Black Bird and documents what all
> the parts are.  When you get to the pictures of the SkyView pages, you may
> be surprised to know that the flash on the camera was going off on these
> and
> it did nothing to affect the display.  I am thinking that tells me
> something
> about how good it will be in bright sunlight.  Which is another feature I
> had hoped to gain from all this work.
>
>
>
> http://krbuilder.org/SkyViewPanel/index.html
>
>
>
>
>
> See N64KR at   
> http://KRBuilder.org- Then click on
> the pics
>
> See you Oct. 4 and 5, 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
>
> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
>
>
>
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KR> Aircraft Spruce

[Tommy Waymack]

Ok,heres my 2 cents.I like Spruce and if you can't afford a 296 then don't buy 
one.Tommy

KR> wheel alignment

[Tommy Waymack]

Mark,the laser is for the 50 cal ,right?

KR> Ellison EFS2 running lean

[Tommy Waymack]

Hate asking for directions,guy thing,but I did go on the Ellison website and 
after a reasonable amount of tweeking, have decided the krnet maybe my last 
hope.The mixture is lean in the midrange,from cruise [3000 rpm]to 2400 rpm.Full 
throttle and below 2400 the mixture is rich enough to yeild 100 degrees lower 
egt.No amount of intake configuration seems to have any effect.Any body have 
ideas?Tommy W.

KR> Flying with the KR "nuts"

[Tommy Waymack]

Ok lets be fair.The KR pilots are pretty good flyers.I really enjoy the flying 
at the gathering.Being in the pattern and in close sometimes with other KR 
pilots can be pretty exiting.Hey Jeff enjoyed your flying and the KR that was 
really hauling it was the KR1 I think or maybe JF could be 1MR.At 1000AGL it 
just looks great.The parade to the parade was what it must have looked like on 
D-day.Being number eight out of 9 gives you an unfogettable veiw.Flying the 
photo shoot was a good exercise in getting 5 or 6 airplanes in one place at the 
same time with out occupying the same airspace.Thanks for all the safe 
attitudes and good airwork.Tommy W.

KR> N995BG home again.

[Tommy Waymack]

Made it back in one piece again.Gota love it.It is not nessesary to say thanks 
but I will anyway.You know who you are.Flew to Mt Vern in 2 legs from Pine 
Bluff.PBF to Jonesboro in 1 hour 20 min at 115 knots and JBR to MT Vernon in 1 
hour 30 min.2 hours 50 min total,291 kt miles.Return trip 2hours 25 min at 140 
kts.Amazing what a tailwind can do.Yeah, I had to make a flyby when I got 
home.Fly Safe.Tommy W.

KR> RE:DECALS

[Tommy Waymack]

According to my old newsletters the 1st was June 1981.That makes this the 24th.

KR> RE:Wicks

[Tommy Waymack]

Wicks says that they are not aware of any delivers to the gathering.Although 
someone is attending.Tommy W.

KR> N995BG around the patch

[Tommy Waymack]

The KR isn't quite ready but I couldn't resist a turn around the patch.Got the 
baffling on,less seals,and decided to run her up before dark.I told myself not 
to take off.Didn't work.Runs great.Keep your fingers crossed on the weather.Oh 
yeah.Tommy W.

KR> RE.N995BG is crankedRE.ED

[Tommy Waymack]

Ed,Thanks for the heads up.I deserved every bit of it.No excuse.My sincerest 
apology to everyone.Tommy W.