KR> Insurance...

[Larry Flesner]

>
>Is there any consensuses regarding a preferred insurance carrier and 
>cost?  I know this can be highly variable but I'm looking for some guideline.
>I received one quote for a KR1, liability and hull coverage nearly 
>twice the cost I had on my RV7. (over $3k)  What's with that?
>*Gary *
+

I'd recommend  SkySmith out of Iowa.  csr at skysmith.com  .  I've been 
with them since 1998 and excellent customer service.  Scott gives 
insurance seminars at Oshkosh.   They will shop multiple companies 
and let you select.  You may have to drop the "hull", both motion and 
non-motion, to get a reasonable rate and go with liability only to 
get a reasonable rate.  That means if you ding the bird it's on you 
to repair.  Except for materials that's what you'd do anyway.  An 
experimental with other than an "aircraft" engine is hard to 
insure.  Much will depend on your personal qualifications, i.e., 
total time, time in type, taildragger?,  recent time, etc..

My liability only is $325 per year but don't expect anyway near that 
for starters, if they will even insure you.  You may have to go 
"naked" if you're comfortable with that.  Just don't taxi into any 
Lear jets on the ramp or land on anyones house. :-(

Larry Flesner

518 SW 3rd St, Suite B

Ankeny, Iowa  50023-3048

Phone:  (515) 289-1439 or (800) 743-1439

Fax:  (515) 864-0334

www.skysmith.com

Insurance Agent since 1985

KR> Insurance...

[Gary]

Getting serious...

Is there any consensuses regarding a preferred insurance carrier and 
cost?  I know this can be highly variable but I'm looking for some 
guideline.

I received one quote for a KR1, liability and hull coverage nearly twice 
the cost I had on my RV7. (over $3k)  What's with that?

-- 
*Gary *
/Soli Deo Gloria/

KR> insurance

[Flesner]

I've been using SkySmith out of Iowa 
(  customerservice at skysmith.com  ) since 1998 with excellent 
results.  They are big in EAA and will treat you right.

Larry Flesner

KR> insurance

[mbflys at yahoo.com]

KR> insurance

[Rayner, Todd M.]

Do any of you have your KR2 in a club?

Do you insure your KR2 and if so what does it cost and who do you use?

Todd

KR> insurance

[Mark Jones]

Falcon Insurance $1M Liability $327 year.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI
E-mail: flykr2s at charter.net
Web: www.flykr2s.com

- Original Message - 
From: "Rayner, Todd M. 
> Do you insure your KR2 and if so what does it cost and who do you use?

KR> Insurance Folly

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KR> Insurance Folly

[Dj Merrill]

On 6/21/2013 11:01 AM, Jeff Lange wrote:
> Before I started flying the KR, I called Bob Mackey, the local Falcon rep in 
> Oshkosh and asked him what my options were for covering the KR. He informed 
> me that as long as I am not listed as an owner I am insured to the same 
> limits that I am on the Sonerai.
>

 I find this very surprising.  As far as I know every policy I have 
had for a plane I owned covered me for only that single airplane, and no 
others regardless of owner.  There was usually a clause that allows 
others to fly my airplane if they met certain requirements.

 Essentially, the only way I would be covered to fly someone else's 
airplane was if THEIR policy had a clause that covered me.

 You might consider asking Bob Mackey to show you exactly where in 
your policy (in writing) that it covers you flying other people's 
airplanes.

-Dj

-- 
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Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
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KR> Insurance Folly

[Joe. E. Wallace]

Thanks Larry I know Scott, but just have never contacted him and have been 
very close to EAA... so Falcon is their partner It is good to look around 
and maybe smell the roses...  jw

Joe. E. Wallace
jwallacep51 at gmail.com



On Jun 21, 2013, at 7:40 AM, Larry Flesner  
wrote:

> At 10:45 PM 6/20/2013, you wrote:
>> I also have ins with Falcon on an Adventura II...  their requests are 
>> ridiculous and they charge me an astromomical price for liability only not 
>> in motion...  Where else do we go???   I'm looking. jw
> 
> 
> I've been doing business with SkySmith since 1998.  Good people, heavy in to 
> EAA, and they shop for the best price.
> 
> I currently pay $349 a year for liability only ($1,000,000 policy)  That 
> price has been pretty flat for the last 5 years or so.
> 
> 
> SkySmith Insurance Agency
> 518 SW 3rd St, Suite B
> Ankeny, Iowa  50023-3048
> Phone:  (515) 289-1439 or (800) 743-1439
> Fax:  (515) 864-0334
> 
> 
> Larry Flesner
> 
> 
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KR> Insurance Folly

[Joe. E. Wallace]

TNX will do... jw

Joe. E. Wallace
jwallacep51 at gmail.com



On Jun 20, 2013, at 10:59 PM, John Miller  wrote:

> Try AOPA.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe. E.
> Wallace
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:46 PM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> Insurance Folly
> 
> I also have ins with Falcon on an Adventura II...  their requests are
> ridiculous and they charge me an astromomical price for liability only not
> in motion...  Where else do we go???   I'm looking. jw
> 
> Joe. E. Wallace
> jwallacep51 at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 20, 2013, at 10:32 PM, Larry Flesner 
> wrote:
> 
>> At 10:03 PM 6/20/2013, you wrote:
>>> However, they are requiring me to have 5 hours of dual in it with a CFI
> before they will cover me.
>> 
> +++
>> 
>> Where do they expect you to find a CFI that even knows what a KR is?  If
> you can fly a sonerai, you can fly a KR.
>> 
>> Larry
>> 
>> 
>> 
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KR> Insurance Folly

[Larry Flesner]

At 10:45 PM 6/20/2013, you wrote:
>I also have ins with Falcon on an Adventura II...  their requests 
>are ridiculous and they charge me an astromomical price for 
>liability only not in motion...  Where else do we go???   I'm looking. jw


I've been doing business with SkySmith since 1998.  Good people, 
heavy in to EAA, and they shop for the best price.

I currently pay $349 a year for liability only ($1,000,000 
policy)  That price has been pretty flat for the last 5 years or so.


SkySmith Insurance Agency
518 SW 3rd St, Suite B
Ankeny, Iowa  50023-3048
Phone:  (515) 289-1439 or (800) 743-1439
Fax:  (515) 864-0334


Larry Flesner

KR> Insurance Folly

[Jeff Lange]

What really puzzles me is that they are the provider of my Sonerai insurance. 
They are already insuring me!

Jeff Lange
Race 64 - Skye Racer
Blog: http://schmleff.blogspot.com
Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/schmleff

On Jun 20, 2013, at 10:32 PM, Larry Flesner  
wrote:

> At 10:03 PM 6/20/2013, you wrote:
>> However, they are requiring me to have 5 hours of dual in it with a CFI 
>> before they will cover me.
> +++
> 
> Where do they expect you to find a CFI that even knows what a KR is?  If you 
> can fly a sonerai, you can fly a KR.
> 
> Larry
> 
> 
> 
> 
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KR> Insurance Folly

[Jeff Lange]

I have been flying Pete's KR under the "non owner" part of my Sonerai 
insurance. Basically, I am covered in all ways the same as I am with the 
Sonerai but the hull coverage tops out at what I have it insured for. Since the 
SI is a single seat, there is no coverage for passengers in planes I do not 
own. 

So I called Falcon Insurance and requested a liability quote for me and a 
passenger and I thought the price was reasonable at $378 per year. However, 
they are requiring me to have 5 hours of dual in it with a CFI before they will 
cover me. Um, I don't get it. 

Jeff Lange
Race 64 - Skye Racer
Blog: http://schmleff.blogspot.com
Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/schmleff

KR> Insurance

[PatS]

Can anyone suggest where I might get insurance for may cessna?  I'm 81 and 
being denied because of my age, and maybe because of waivers.
IHS
PatS
Seminary, MS

KR> Insurance: kr-2 vs kr-2s

[Jeff York]

Like Rick Human, I too have had my straight KR-2 insured by Falcon Insurance 
and 
there has never been a question about it. 


I might say this about your experience with Falcon and say that maybe you 
should 
be cautious about the information you spread. You may have gotten some 
inaccurate information from one person within the Falcon insurance group that 
obviously did not know better than to say Falcon did not insure KR-2 aircraft. 
Also be cautious about sharing information regarding flying characteristics of 
a 
KR-2 that may be seen as difficult to fly or other negative's in the minds of 
flyer's and non flyer's as you may inadvertently influence the insurability of 
us that have straight KR2 aircraft. I can just see some unknowing insurance rep 
ranting through the channels of an insurance company that they had just talked 
to a KR2s pilot who told them how bad a straight KR-2 fly's or how touchy or 
pitch sensitive it is and then this information gets to their underwriter who 
then reconsiders the insurability of straight KR-2 aircraft and then I loose my 
insurance.

I am not trying to start a rant or issue here. I just ask that we use caution 
when we get into conversation with insurance reps and other when discussing the 
KR-2 vs the KR-2s.

Jeff York
KR-2 (2010 Peoples Choice winner) (Best Interior)
Lexington/Georgetown Scott airport



- Original Message 
From: R. Human <rahu...@peoplepc.com>
To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tue, January 18, 2011 9:37:53 AM
Subject: RE: KR> Insurance: kr-2 vs kr-2s

Well - that's interesting as I have a straight KR-2 and just renewed with
Falcon and have been with them for @ 4 years - there was never been a
question or problem. I'm only carrying liability - don't know it that makes
a difference. 


Rick Human
N202RH
Houston, Tx

Andy wrote:


Falcon insurance will not insure the kr-2, and will insure the kr-2S. 

      

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KR> Insurance: kr-2 vs kr-2s

[Glenn Martin]

Andy Mckevitz wrote:
> My quest for insurance has left an interesting tip today:
>
> Falcon insurance will not insure the kr-2, and will insure the kr-2S.
>
OK then, What companies DO insure the original  KR2, and what prices 
have you found?

-- 
Glenn Martin
KR2 N1333A
Biloxi, MS, 39532
rep...@martekmississippi.com

KR> Insurance: kr-2 vs kr-2s

[R. Human]

Well - that's interesting as I have a straight KR-2 and just renewed with
Falcon and have been with them for @ 4 years - there was never been a
question or problem. I'm only carrying liability - don't know it that makes
a difference. 


Rick Human
N202RH
Houston, Tx

Andy wrote:


Falcon insurance will not insure the kr-2, and will insure the kr-2S. 



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KR> Insurance: kr-2 vs kr-2s

[Andy Mckevitz]

My quest for insurance has left an interesting tip today:

Falcon insurance will not insure the kr-2, and will insure the kr-2S. 

Just thought I'd like to share!  So far, this is the only company that made 
this distinction between the standard '2' and the '2S'. 

Andy

KR> KR Insurance..... Sky Smith

[Brant Hollensbe]

>I got mine(airplane insurance) through Sky Smith in Iowa -Larry Flesner<

You can email Sky Smith at: s...@skysmith.com  for more details.

Brant Hollensbe
bhollen...@mchsi.com
West Des Moines, Iowa

KR> KR Insurance

[Larry Flesner]

At 04:10 PM 11/24/2008, you wrote:
>I have the same coverage as Dan for $332/yr with SWAIG.
>-Jeff Scott
===


That's exactly what my premium is and I think with the same company.
I got mine through Sky Smith in Iowa.  I guess they consider you as
much a risk me. :-)

Larry Flesner

KR> KR Insurance

[Dan Heath]

Hey, when you're good, you're good. 

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2009 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Ill
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC


---Original Message---

From: Mark Jones
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 11/24/08 15:55:54
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> KR Insurance

That is a good price from them for a million in liability. They would not
sell it to me for that. In fact a half million cost me that with them which
I purchased for my first flight year. Now I am with Falcon through EAA.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI
Web page: www.flykr2s.com
e-mail: flyk...@charter.net


- Original Message -
From: "Dan Heath" <da...@alltel.net>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:18 AM
Subject: KR> KR Insurance


1,000,000 Each Occurrence / 100,000 Each Person Liability
$3000 Each Person Medical Payments.

Don't quote me on the $416 per year, it was something around that, but that
number is from my memory and I don't tend to remember things that are
available to me, but it was something like that.

Call Pam Sharpe at AUA 1-800-727-3823 because, as Larry says, your results
will vary.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics
See you at the 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Ill
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
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KR> KR Insurance

[Jeff Scott]

The insurance rate is also going to reflect your total time, time in type, 
tailwheel time if it's a tailwheel equipped aircraft and your applicable pilot 
ratings.  I have the same coverage as Dan for $332/yr with SWAIG.  That's up 
$26 from when I switched to SWAIG 9 years ago.  

-Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM


From: "Dan Heath" <da...@alltel.net>
Subject: KR> KR Insurance

1,000,000 Each Occurrence / 100,000 Each Person Liability
$3000 Each Person Medical Payments.

Don't quote me on the $416 per year, it was something around that, 


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KR> KR Insurance

[Mark Jones]

That is a good price from them for a million in liability. They would not 
sell it to me for that. In fact a half million cost me that with them which 
I purchased for my first flight year. Now I am with Falcon through EAA.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI
Web page: www.flykr2s.com
e-mail: flyk...@charter.net


- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Heath" <da...@alltel.net>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:18 AM
Subject: KR> KR Insurance


1,000,000 Each Occurrence / 100,000 Each Person Liability
$3000 Each Person Medical Payments.

Don't quote me on the $416 per year, it was something around that, but that
number is from my memory and I don't tend to remember things that are
available to me, but it was something like that.

Call Pam Sharpe at AUA 1-800-727-3823 because, as Larry says, your results
will vary.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics
See you at the 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Ill
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
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KR> KR Insurance

[Dan Heath]

1,000,000 Each Occurrence / 100,000 Each Person Liability
$3000 Each Person Medical Payments.

Don't quote me on the $416 per year, it was something around that, but that
number is from my memory and I don't tend to remember things that are
available to me, but it was something like that.

Call Pam Sharpe at AUA 1-800-727-3823 because, as Larry says, your results
will vary. 

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Ill
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

KR> KR Insurance

[Dan Heath]

I will have to get back with you on that, but I think it is a million
liability per something.  I have had a couple of questions about it, so I
will find my policy and post the particulars. 

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Ill
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
---Original Message---


What kind of coverages???

KR> KR Insurance

[kenneth l wiltrout]

What kind of coverages???

Thanks,
Kenny
Kutztown, Pa 6399U

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Dan Heath
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 5:26 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: KR> KR Insurance

I get mine from AUA in Greensboro NC.  If you want a contact, let me know. 
Mine is $416 a year, for liability only. 

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Ill
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
---Original Message---

where is the best place to get reasonable insurance for my KR? 
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KR> KR Insurance

[Dan Heath]

I get mine from AUA in Greensboro NC.  If you want a contact, let me know. 
Mine is $416 a year, for liability only. 

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Ill
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
---Original Message---

where is the best place to get reasonable insurance for my KR? 

KR> insurance

[AUnderwood]

I called skysmith for a quote on my Grumman AA-1A and they never called back. 
They use AIG which is usually higher.You might give Aircraft & Marine Assurance 
a try they give group rates i have lib and 35,000 hull ins. and its $840 a year 
mabe with enough people they could give a KR group rate. Just a thought.

-Original Message-
>From: Dan Heath <da...@alltel.net>
>Sent: May 19, 2007 5:13 AM
>To: kr...@mylist.net
>Subject: Re: KR> insurance
>
>I looked at Sky Smith also, when I was getting ready to fly the Black Bird
>for the first time.  The problem that I had with them, was that they did not
>have a company that would insure for liability only.  I have the same
>opinion as Mark, If I break it, I will fix it or else, but not pay for
>insurance on the hull.  Then I found AUA, who insured me for full liability
>for $406.  It probably won't go down much, if at all, cause I only have 9
>hours on the plane and me, in the last year.  That premium did count my 185
>previous hours in a KR2 TD.  
>
>http://www.auaonline.com/meetStaff.htm
>
> 
>See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
>See you at the 2007 - KR Gathering
>There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
>has begun.
>Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
>---Original Message---
> 
>From: Mark Langford
>Date: 05/15/07 07:22:00
>To: KRnet
>Cc: Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft
>Subject: KR> insurance
> 
> 
>Anyway, I thought I'd check out Sky Smith because a lot of folks swear by him, 
>so I did.  I got EXACTLY the same coverage from him as what I had the year 
>before, through EXACTLY the same carrier (AIG), for half the price.  That's 
>$300 that I can do something else with.  He's at http://www.skysmith.com/ .  
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KR> insurance

[Mark Langford]

NetHeads,

My insurance bill came a couple of months ago, and the price was relatively 
unchanged from the year before, about $600 for liability alone for my KR2S.  I 
had no problem getting hull insurance for $25k when I first started flying, but 
I quickly came to the conclusion that if I rolled it up in a ball, the last 
thing I'd want to see is some insurance company hauling away the remains of 
what would be a substantial headstart toward the construction of my next one, 
so I dropped the hull insurance after the first year.  

Anyway, I thought I'd check out Sky Smith because a lot of folks swear by him, 
so I did.  I got EXACTLY the same coverage from him as what I had the year 
before, through EXACTLY the same carrier (AIG), for half the price.  That's 
$300 that I can do something else with.  He's at http://www.skysmith.com/ .  
Just thought it might help out some other folks, and no, I don't get kickbacks, 
favors, or whatever...

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
see KR2S homebuilt airplane N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net

KR> insurance

[Larry Flesner]

At 06:21 AM 5/15/2007, you wrote:
>Anyway, I thought I'd check out Sky Smith because a lot of folks 
>swear by him, so I did.  I got EXACTLY the same coverage from him as 
>what I had the year before, through EXACTLY the same carrier (AIG), 
>for half the price.  That's $300 that I can do something else with.
+

I've had aircraft insurance with SkySmith since 1998 and they are good
people to work with.

My "liability only" dropped from $600 last year to $332 this year, the same
as yours.  I guess they consider you to be $32 more responsible than
me !!  :-) My coverage is with AIG also.  The $300 I saved bought
most of the cylinder I needed.

Larry Flesner

KR> insurance

[Brian Kraut]

Scott, Brook, and the others at Skysmith are the best.

Having lost one KR to a crash without insurance about 3 years ago and one
Skysmith/AIG insured 1949 Piper Clipper less than a year ago to a storm I
have a lot of experience in this area that can hopefully help someone out.

When I first looked at insurance on the KR it was pretty expensive because I
had no KR time and only a few tailwheel hours.  I figured that I would wait
until I got 50 hours in the KR then get the insurance and save a lot of
money.  I really could not afford to loose a plane, but I rationalized the
decision to myself with the idea that the chance of hurting anyone other
than myself in the KR was pretty slim and if I killed myself my life
insurance was enough that hull insurance on the plane would not make much
difference.

I also figured that with any crash of the KR that I could walk away from I
would still at the very least have an engine and all of the instruments and
radios and I could always buy a project KR and get back in the air for under
5 grand.  What I never counted on was the post crash fire that would destroy
everything and leave me with only part of a tailwheel still usable.
Needless to say, but I was kicking myself every day when I no longer had a
plane to fly and could not afford to get anoter one for about a year.  Oh,
and the thing that really hurt was that I had 45 hours in the KR and would
have been getting the insurance probably the next week.

So about twelve grand in the KR for 45 hours works out to $267 per flight
hour.  Still worth every penny, but it would have certainly been a lot
better with an insurance check at the end of it to get back in the air.

The Clipper was insured and I used the insurance check to buy a Pacer a few
weeks later.  There are some lessons I learned with it also.

Aircraft insurance is different from car insurance.  If you total your car
they give you the book value of it regardless of what it is insured for.
With aircraft insurance if it is totaled they give you what you had it
insured for then auction off the remains.  If your plane is worth $20,000
and you insure it for $10,000 you get $10,000.  If you had it insured for
$50,000 you get $50,000.  This makes it important to think about what you
are insuring it for.  If you had it insured for $10,000 they will total it
after a minor $7,000 damage accident knowing that they will come out better
than if they pay to have it fixed.  If you had the plane insured for $50,000
and have a major accident that will require a $35,000 rebuild job they will
pay to have it fixed and you will wind up getting back a plane with a
history of major damage that took forever to repair.  So don't over or under
insure unless you are willing to live with the results.

If they do total your plane you can ask them to give you a price on the
salvage.  They will offer it for about what they think they can auction it
for which may or may not be a good deal.  If you don't take it you can still
bid on it at auction and it may or may not go for more than they offered it
to you for.

Do keep in mind that you will loose your deductible in the check they give
you and the premiums for the policy.  I had my Clipper insured for $18,000
and just got the insurance a month before the storm destroyed it.  I had to
make up for the $1,000 deductible plus having to come up with another $2,100
to insure the Pacer just a month after paying $2,300 to insure the Clipper.
We made sure that the Pacer was insured for $3,000 more than we paid for it.

Incidently, AIG actually lowered the premium on the second plane even though
I was prepared for a big increase since they just totaled the other one.  I
had a partner in it and he went from 0 hours to about 30 so that probably
accounted for it going lower, but we were pretty happy that it did not go
up.  I guess that freak weather accidents don't affect your rates.


Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
Behalf Of Mark Langford
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 7:21 AM
To: KRnet
Cc: Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft
Subject: KR> insurance


NetHeads,

My insurance bill came a couple of months ago, and the price was relatively
unchanged from the year before, about $600 for liability alone for my KR2S.
I had no problem getting hull insurance for $25k when I first started
flying, but I quickly came to the conclusion that if I rolled it up in a
ball, the last thing I'd want to see is some insurance company hauling away
the remains of what would be a substantial headstart toward the construction
of my next one, so I dropped the hull insurance after the first year.

Anyway, I thought I'd check out Sky Smith because a lot of folks swear by
him, so I did.  I got EXACTLY the same coverage from him as what I had the
year before, through EXACTLY the same carrier (AIG), for half the price.
That's $300 that I can do something e

KR> insurance

[Joseph H. Horton]

Well Maybe this is all true but it don't make me happy. Jones' was $ 150
less than mine the past year and now 2 more of you are saying that your
quotes are $300 less than my Quote that i just got last week, I already
raised the question with them why mine has not come down more. Maybe I
should compare history sheets to see if i am asking for more than you
guys are. With the exception of Larry I don't think that Jones, Langford.
and I are very far apart in the total time experience.

Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

On Tue, 15 May 2007 07:09:04 -0500 Larry Flesner
 writes:
> At 06:21 AM 5/15/2007, you wrote:
> >Anyway, I thought I'd check out Sky Smith because a lot of folks 
> >swear by him, so I did.  I got EXACTLY the same coverage from him 
> as 
> >what I had the year before, through EXACTLY the same carrier (AIG), 
> 
> >for half the price.  That's $300 that I can do something else 
> with.
>
+

> 
> I've had aircraft insurance with SkySmith since 1998 and they are 
> good
> people to work with.
> 
> My "liability only" dropped from $600 last year to $332 this year, 
> the same
> as yours.  I guess they consider you to be $32 more responsible 
> than
> me !!  :-) My coverage is with AIG also.  The $300 I saved bought
> most of the cylinder I needed.
> 
> Larry Flesner
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ___
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joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

KR> insurance

[Jeff Scott]

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KR> insurance

[Mark Langford]

Jeff Scott wrote:

> Your first good insurance break should come at 500 hours total time.

I turned in 525 hours total time to get my quote, so that explains it for 
me!  And I think the final bill for mine was about $332 also, once I 
improved the passenger medical to $100k.

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
see KR2S homebuilt airplane N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net 

KR> insurance

[kenneth l wiltrout]

Don't feel bad JoeJust pd mine $640

Kenny

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Joseph H. Horton
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 3:43 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: KR> insurance

Well Maybe this is all true but it don't make me happy. Jones' was $ 150
less than mine the past year and now 2 more of you are saying that your
quotes are $300 less than my Quote that i just got last week, I already
raised the question with them why mine has not come down more. Maybe I
should compare history sheets to see if i am asking for more than you
guys are. With the exception of Larry I don't think that Jones, Langford.
and I are very far apart in the total time experience.

Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

On Tue, 15 May 2007 07:09:04 -0500 Larry Flesner
<fles...@verizon.net> writes:
> At 06:21 AM 5/15/2007, you wrote:
> >Anyway, I thought I'd check out Sky Smith because a lot of folks 
> >swear by him, so I did.  I got EXACTLY the same coverage from him 
> as 
> >what I had the year before, through EXACTLY the same carrier (AIG), 
> 
> >for half the price.  That's $300 that I can do something else 
> with.
>
+

> 
> I've had aircraft insurance with SkySmith since 1998 and they are 
> good
> people to work with.
> 
> My "liability only" dropped from $600 last year to $332 this year, 
> the same
> as yours.  I guess they consider you to be $32 more responsible 
> than
> me !!  :-) My coverage is with AIG also.  The $300 I saved bought
> most of the cylinder I needed.
> 
> Larry Flesner
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ___
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> 


Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

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KR> insurance - saving with AIG

[Ed Janssen]

This isn't a plug for AIG, but I recently changed my auto insurance from
State Farm to AIG - and saved 1/2 the amount of annual premium - actually a
little more than 1/2.  That kind of savings could help pay for your KR
insurance.

Ed Janssen

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Flesner" <fles...@verizon.net>


> At 06:21 AM 5/15/2007, you wrote:
> >Anyway, I thought I'd check out Sky Smith because a lot of folks
> >swear by him, so I did.  I got EXACTLY the same coverage from him as
> >what I had the year before, through EXACTLY the same carrier (AIG),
> >for half the price.  That's $300 that I can do something else with.
>
> Larry Flesner

KR> insurance - saving with AIG

[D Lively]

KR-Netters:

For those that don't know, "AIG"  stans for "Aetna Insurance Group"!

Don Lively


- Original Message - 
From: "Ed Janssen" <ejans...@chipsnet.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: KR> insurance - saving with AIG


> This isn't a plug for AIG, but I recently changed my auto insurance from
> State Farm to AIG - and saved 1/2 the amount of annual premium - actually 
> a
> little more than 1/2.  That kind of savings could help pay for your KR
> insurance.
>
> Ed Janssen
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Larry Flesner" <fles...@verizon.net>
>
>
>> At 06:21 AM 5/15/2007, you wrote:
>> >Anyway, I thought I'd check out Sky Smith because a lot of folks
>> >swear by him, so I did.  I got EXACTLY the same coverage from him as
>> >what I had the year before, through EXACTLY the same carrier (AIG),
>> >for half the price.  That's $300 that I can do something else with.
>>
>> Larry Flesner
>
>
> ___
> Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp
> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net
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> 

KR> insurance

[Joseph H Horton]

OK that might explain it a little. I am still a little short of 500 hours
but should top it some time around the KR gathering. So I guess I should
just pay it and shut up for the year. It did come down some this year
something like 11%. I also asked them what I needed to do to get the best
rates. Like training,or safety and the didn't really give any advice that
way.
Thanks anyway
Joe Horton
Coopersburg, Pa.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

Joe Horton
Coopersburg, Pa.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

On Tue, 15 May 2007 20:12:34 GMT "Jeff Scott" 
writes:
> Your first good insurance break should come at 500 hours total time. 
> 
> I've been insured with AIG through SWAIG in Phoenix for 9 years now. 
> 
> It started at $302/year for $1M liability with $100K medical per
> passenger (2 seat) way back then.  My renewal for 2007 was $332.  
> I'm
> over 2000 hrs total time and 1500 tailwheel, which are both supposed 
> to
> be discount break points.  I expect that I may already be at their
> lowest price with the exception of an introductory price.  Somehow
> insurance pricing doesn't seem to be consistent even from the same
> underwriter, unless of course it's the profit margin of the broker.  
> 
> 
> If you recently just crossed 500 hrs total time, make sure to point 
> out
> to your broker that you have reached a break point where you should 
> get
> a discount on your insurance.  He may have simply failed to put you 
> in
> for the discount.
> 
> As a comparison point, the cost of my parking spot has gone from
> $320/yr to $500/yr and fuel has gone from $1.85 to $4.++ or more, so 
> I
> can't complain much about the tiny amount of creep in my insurance.
> 
> Jeff Scott
> 
> 
> -- "Joseph H. Horton"  wrote:
> Well Maybe this is all true but it don't make me happy. Jones' was $ 
> 150
> less than mine the past year and now 2 more of you are saying that 
> your
> quotes are $300 less than my Quote that i just got last week, I 
> already
> raised the question with them why mine has not come down more. Maybe 
> I
> should compare history sheets to see if i am asking for more than 
> you
> guys are. With the exception of Larry I don't think that Jones, 
> Langford.
> and I are very far apart in the total time experience.
> 
> Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
> joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
>  
> On Tue, 15 May 2007 07:09:04 -0500 Larry Flesner
>  writes:
> > At 06:21 AM 5/15/2007, you wrote:
> > >Anyway, I thought I'd check out Sky Smith because a lot of folks 
> 
> > >swear by him, so I did.  I got EXACTLY the same coverage from him 
> 
> > as 
> > >what I had the year before, through EXACTLY the same carrier 
> (AIG), 
> > 
> > >for half the price.  That's $300 that I can do something else 
> > with.
> >
>
+
> 
> > 
> > I've had aircraft insurance with SkySmith since 1998 and they are 
> 
> > good
> > people to work with.
> > 
> > My "liability only" dropped from $600 last year to $332 this year, 
> 
> > the same
> > as yours.  I guess they consider you to be $32 more responsible 
> > than
> > me !!  :-) My coverage is with AIG also.  The $300 I saved bought
> > most of the cylinder I needed.
> > 
> > Larry Flesner
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ___
> > Search the KRnet Archives at 
> > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp
> > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to 
> krnet-le...@mylist.net
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> > http://www.kr2forum.com/phpBB2/index.php
> > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
> > 
> > 
>  
>  
> Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
> joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
> 
> ___
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> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 


Joe Horton
Coopersburg, Pa.
joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

KR> insurance rates

[Mark Jones]

You guys need to contact AUA (Aviation Unlimited Agency) at 800-727-3823 and 
ask for Pam Sharpe. Skysmith, AOPA, Falcon, etc...could not match their 
rates and I got quotes from all of them. Mine is up for renewal July 1st so 
it will be interesting to see what they do this year.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com
E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com 

KR> insurance

[Mark Gorlov]

Just a short observation from the U.K.:Rand Kr2 trigear hull value say 
$16000.00 compulsory third party liability.apply 2 years no claims 
bonus.cheapest price in the U.K. including insurance tax 
!!!$1700 per year.go figure.
regards to all KR folks worldwide.
Mark Gorlov


>From: "Joseph H. Horton" <joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com>
>Reply-To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
>To: kr...@mylist.net
>Subject: Re: KR> insurance
>Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:43:23 -0400
>
>Well Maybe this is all true but it don't make me happy. Jones' was $ 150
>less than mine the past year and now 2 more of you are saying that your
>quotes are $300 less than my Quote that i just got last week, I already
>raised the question with them why mine has not come down more. Maybe I
>should compare history sheets to see if i am asking for more than you
>guys are. With the exception of Larry I don't think that Jones, Langford.
>and I are very far apart in the total time experience.
>
>Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
>joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
>
>On Tue, 15 May 2007 07:09:04 -0500 Larry Flesner
><fles...@verizon.net> writes:
> > At 06:21 AM 5/15/2007, you wrote:
> > >Anyway, I thought I'd check out Sky Smith because a lot of folks
> > >swear by him, so I did.  I got EXACTLY the same coverage from him
> > as
> > >what I had the year before, through EXACTLY the same carrier (AIG),
> >
> > >for half the price.  That's $300 that I can do something else
> > with.
> >
>+
>
> >
> > I've had aircraft insurance with SkySmith since 1998 and they are
> > good
> > people to work with.
> >
> > My "liability only" dropped from $600 last year to $332 this year,
> > the same
> > as yours.  I guess they consider you to be $32 more responsible
> > than
> > me !!  :-) My coverage is with AIG also.  The $300 I saved bought
> > most of the cylinder I needed.
> >
> > Larry Flesner
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ___
> > Search the KRnet Archives at
> > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp
> > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net
> > Post photos, introductions, and For Sale items to
> > http://www.kr2forum.com/phpBB2/index.php
> > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
> >
> >
>
>
>Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
>joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
>
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KR> insurance

[Randy Smith]

Taildragger or nosewheel makes a difference on
Insurance.Tailwheel counts for more time.
--- kenneth l wiltrout <kwiltrout1...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> Don't feel bad JoeJust pd mine $640
> 
> Kenny
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net
> [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
> Of Joseph H. Horton
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 3:43 PM
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: Re: KR> insurance
> 
> Well Maybe this is all true but it don't make me
> happy. Jones' was $ 150
> less than mine the past year and now 2 more of you
> are saying that your
> quotes are $300 less than my Quote that i just got
> last week, I already
> raised the question with them why mine has not come
> down more. Maybe I
> should compare history sheets to see if i am asking
> for more than you
> guys are. With the exception of Larry I don't think
> that Jones, Langford.
> and I are very far apart in the total time
> experience.
> 
> Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
> joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
>  
> On Tue, 15 May 2007 07:09:04 -0500 Larry
> Flesner
> <fles...@verizon.net> writes:
> > At 06:21 AM 5/15/2007, you wrote:
> > >Anyway, I thought I'd check out Sky Smith because
> a lot of folks 
> > >swear by him, so I did.  I got EXACTLY the same
> coverage from him 
> > as 
> > >what I had the year before, through EXACTLY the
> same carrier (AIG), 
> > 
> > >for half the price.  That's $300 that I can do
> something else 
> > with.
> >
>
+
> 
> > 
> > I've had aircraft insurance with SkySmith since
> 1998 and they are 
> > good
> > people to work with.
> > 
> > My "liability only" dropped from $600 last year to
> $332 this year, 
> > the same
> > as yours.  I guess they consider you to be $32
> more responsible 
> > than
> > me !!  :-) My coverage is with AIG also.  The $300
> I saved bought
> > most of the cylinder I needed.
> > 
> > Larry Flesner
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ___
> > Search the KRnet Archives at 
> > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp
> > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to
> krnet-le...@mylist.net
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> > http://www.kr2forum.com/phpBB2/index.php
> > please see other KRnet info at
> http://www.krnet.org/info.html
> > 
> > 
>  
>  
> Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.
> joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
> 
> ___
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Fwd: RE: KR> insurance

[Randy Smith]

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KR> insurance

[Dan Heath]

I looked at Sky Smith also, when I was getting ready to fly the Black Bird
for the first time.  The problem that I had with them, was that they did not
have a company that would insure for liability only.  I have the same
opinion as Mark, If I break it, I will fix it or else, but not pay for
insurance on the hull.  Then I found AUA, who insured me for full liability
for $406.  It probably won't go down much, if at all, cause I only have 9
hours on the plane and me, in the last year.  That premium did count my 185
previous hours in a KR2 TD.  

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See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2007 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
---Original Message---

From: Mark Langford
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 05/15/07 07:22:00
To: KRnet
Cc: Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft
Subject: KR> insurance


Anyway, I thought I'd check out Sky Smith because a lot of folks swear by him, 
so I did.  I got EXACTLY the same coverage from him as what I had the year 
before, through EXACTLY the same carrier (AIG), for half the price.  That's 
$300 that I can do something else with.  He's at http://www.skysmith.com/ .  

KR> Insurance

[Orma Robbins]

Thanks guys for the information about insurance.   I'll let you know how it
comes out.

Orma L. Robbins
N110LR 1984 to present

KR> Insurance

[Orma Robbins]

Hi Net, 
I'm still out here.   Been away and have not given much time to the KR.  I need 
help.  I've not had liability insurance in over 20 years.   My airport is going 
high security and is issuing ID badges with gate security and of course they 
are demanding proof in ins.   I did a search and came up with the names of AUA 
and an agent named Sky Smith.  Contact information for these and any other 
pointers and suggestions would be appreciated.  
Also, I talk too much what things do I probably need to discuss, or not as the 
case might be.
Please send any replies off net to o...@aviation-mechanics.com   

Hope to be more active this year.  Would like to attend the KR 35th, but I 
can't see that far yet.   Nice to see all of you guys are still here.

Orma L. Robbins
N110LR 1984 to present

KR> Insurance

[Larry Flesner]

>   I did a search and came up with the names of AUA and an agent 
> named Sky Smith.  Contact information for these and any other 
> pointers and suggestions would be appreciated.
>Orma L. Robbins
+++

i...@skysmith.com

Good people to work with.  I've had insurance with them since 1998
starting with the Tripacer.  I had to go to AVEMCO to get my first
insurance on the KR as they had no carrier that would insure
starting from first flight. After six months I switched back to SkySmith.
Good luck.

Larry Flesner

KR> Insurance

[Brian Kraut]

I agree that they are one of the best.  Phone number is 800-743-1439.  I
recommend talking to Scott or Brook.  I have used them for four planes and
was always happy.

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com

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From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
Behalf Of Larry Flesner
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:12 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Insurance



>   I did a search and came up with the names of AUA and an agent
> named Sky Smith.  Contact information for these and any other
> pointers and suggestions would be appreciated.
>Orma L. Robbins
+++

i...@skysmith.com

Good people to work with.  I've had insurance with them since 1998
starting with the Tripacer.  I had to go to AVEMCO to get my first
insurance on the KR as they had no carrier that would insure
starting from first flight. After six months I switched back to SkySmith.
Good luck.

Larry Flesner


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[Orma Robbins]

Thanks Larry

Well since I have to buy insurance I might as well fly

hope to see you guy by Oshkosh time

Orma

KR> Insurance

[Brian G. Douglas]

Hi Orma!
  I insure my KR2 thru Falcon insurance with the EAA endorsement.  My annual 
charge for liability only around 210 a year.

hope this helps
Brian G. Douglas
KR2
N8575C
Killeen Texas
- Original Message - 
From: "Orma Robbins" <o...@aviation-mechanics.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:39 AM
Subject: KR> Insurance


> Hi Net,
> I'm still out here.   Been away and have not given much time to the KR.  I 
> need help.  I've not had liability insurance in over 20 years.   My 
> airport is going high security and is issuing ID badges with gate security 
> and of course they are demanding proof in ins.   I did a search and came 
> up with the names of AUA and an agent named Sky Smith.  Contact 
> information for these and any other pointers and suggestions would be 
> appreciated.
> 

KR> Insurance

[Randy Smith]

Try Faucer Ins Ask for Nancy There # is 800-727-2147. When you shop ins. they 
lock in the price when you get a quote. If you call a 2nd broker and they call 
the same ins. co. he will be giving the same price as the last one. If you call 
on your own they will still lock the price. When you ask for a price they will 
ask for an N# so it doesn't pay to try to shop more than about 2 brokers.

Orma Robbins  wrote:  Hi Net, 
I'm still out here. Been away and have not given much time to the KR. I need 
help. I've not had liability insurance in over 20 years. My airport is going 
high security and is issuing ID badges with gate security and of course they 
are demanding proof in ins. I did a search and came up with the names of AUA 
and an agent named Sky Smith. Contact information for these and any other 
pointers and suggestions would be appreciated. 
Also, I talk too much what things do I probably need to discuss, or not as the 
case might be.
Please send any replies off net to o...@aviation-mechanics.com 

Hope to be more active this year. Would like to attend the KR 35th, but I can't 
see that far yet. Nice to see all of you guys are still here.

Orma L. Robbins
N110LR 1984 to present

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KR> Insurance

[Dan Heath]

I acquired my insurance, 1,000,000 liability only for $416 annual premium,
from AUA in Greensboro, NC.  I have 185 hours in type and 340 total hours.  
They were great to work with and gave me the right quote the first time. 
The next best quote that I got, was $588 from Falcon and that did include
some hull, but I am not exactly sure because I grabbed the AUA before it got
away.

If you are interested:  http://www.auaonline.com/index.htm 

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
is OVER.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

KR> Insurance

[Dan Heath]

Sorry, one mistake in that.  The Falcon was $600 for liability only and the
$588 was from Sky Smith, who I also found to be very accommodating.  I just
got some bad information from them in the beginning, but they did stick with
it to get me the $588, and if I really cared about Hull insurance, I would
have chosen that one. 

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
is OVER.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
---Original Message---

From: Dan Heath
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 07/11/06 06:01:22
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> Insurance

I acquired my insurance, 1,000,000 liability only for $416 annual premium,
from AUA in Greensboro, NC.  I have 185 hours in type and 340 total hours.
They were great to work with and gave me the right quote the first time.
The next best quote that I got, was $588 from Falcon and that did include
some hull, but I am not exactly sure because I grabbed the AUA before it got
away.

If you are interested:  http://www.auaonline.com/index.htm

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics
See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
is OVER.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
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[Mark Jones]

Dan,
Can you give us contact info for AUA.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
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- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Heath" <da...@alltel.net>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:01 AM
Subject: KR> Insurance


>I acquired my insurance, 1,000,000 liability only for $416 annual premium,
> from AUA in Greensboro, NC.  I have 185 hours in type and 340 total hours.
> They were great to work with and gave me the right quote the first time.
> The next best quote that I got, was $588 from Falcon and that did include
> some hull, but I am not exactly sure because I grabbed the AUA before it 
> got
> away.
>
> If you are interested:  http://www.auaonline.com/index.htm
>
> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics
> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for 
> building
> is OVER.
> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
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KR> Insurance

[Mark Jones]

Never mind, here is the link to their web site: http://www.auaonline.com/

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
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E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Insurance


> Dan,
> Can you give us contact info for AUA.
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI
> Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com
> E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dan Heath" <da...@alltel.net>
> To: <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:01 AM
> Subject: KR> Insurance
>
>
>>I acquired my insurance, 1,000,000 liability only for $416 annual premium,
>> from AUA in Greensboro, NC.  I have 185 hours in type and 340 total 
>> hours.
>> They were great to work with and gave me the right quote the first time.
>> The next best quote that I got, was $588 from Falcon and that did include
>> some hull, but I am not exactly sure because I grabbed the AUA before it
>> got
>> away.
>>
>> If you are interested:  http://www.auaonline.com/index.htm
>>
>> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics
>> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
>> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for
>> building
>> is OVER.
>> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
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KR> Insurance

[Robert L. Stone]

Hay guys,
 Who knows of a good insurance company???

Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx

KR> Insurance

[Mark Jones]

SkySmith Insurance Agency
518 SW 3rd St, Suite B
Ankeny, IA  50023-3048
Phone:  515-289-1439 or 800-743-1439
Fax:  515-964-0431 or 773-326-0690

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
Web site: www.flykr2s.com
Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com


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Behalf Of Robert L. Stone
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 2:22 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Insurance


Hay guys,
 Who knows of a good insurance company???

Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
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KR> Insurance

[Kenneth Wiltrout]

SkySmith Insurance Agency
518 SW 3rd St, Suite B
Ankeny, IA  50023-3048

Ken Wiltrout
Kutztown Pa

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From: "Robert L. Stone" <rsto...@hot.rr.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 3:22 PM
Subject: KR> Insurance


> Hay guys,
> Who knows of a good insurance company???
> 
> Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
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KR> Insurance

[Barry Kruyssen]

There is no such thing as a "good" insurance company :-)

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Barry Kruyssen 

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Robert L. Stone
Sent: Thursday, 6 July 2006 5:22 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Insurance

Hay guys,
 Who knows of a good insurance company???

KR> Insurance

[Tony Wright]

I am an insurance adjuster and still have to tell my mom that I'm a piano 
player in a bordello.

- Original Message - 
From: "Barry Kruyssen" <k...@bigpond.com>
To: "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 5:51 PM
Subject: RE: KR> Insurance


> There is no such thing as a "good" insurance company :-)
>
> Sorry, couldn't help myself.
>
> Barry Kruyssen
>

KR> Insurance

[Dan Heath]

I have been looking into insurance, and went to Sky Smith first.  They are
very nice, but I did not like the first quote they gave me.  They got it
from AIG, who will not insure me for what I need, but will for what they
want to insure me for with a premium to pay for all of it.  I am trying to
get liability only, for no passengers.  Since, I do not know how long it
will be before I take passengers, I sure don't want to be paying to insure
them.

I will let you all know what I find.  I have also asked for a quote from
Falcon, and there is a company named AUA that advertises that they insure
Experimentals.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
is OVER.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

KR> Insurance

[countryhomeprint]

My insurance is with Falcon out of Texas. My insurance runs $1225 per year 
for liability only. This covers 3 pilots.
- Original Message - 
From: "Robert L. Stone" <rsto...@hot.rr.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 2:22 PM
Subject: KR> Insurance


> Hay guys,
> Who knows of a good insurance company???
>
> Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
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KR> Insurance

[Steve Glover]

Falcon has/ had my insurance for the KR. It was $500 for liability only
with Richard Shirley as a secondary pilot.

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca
<kr...@cox.net>



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countryhomeprint
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:21 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Insurance


My insurance is with Falcon out of Texas. My insurance runs $1225 per
year 
for liability only. This covers 3 pilots.
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From: "Robert L. Stone" <rsto...@hot.rr.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 2:22 PM
Subject: KR> Insurance


> Hay guys,
> Who knows of a good insurance company???
>
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[Robert L. Stone]

Netters,
 To all of you guys who responded to my qwuestion about insurance. 

 THANKS MUCH

 It looks like the rates are spread very far apart and how much an 
individual pilot is going to have to pay depends on flying experence in 
general, flight time in the last year, time in the airplane being insured, 
ratings, and his age.
I got responses of a low of $400.00 to $1,275.00 for one year of coverage

Bob Stone

KR> Insurance

[Jack Cooper]

Try getting life insurance with experimental airplane pilot on the
application. It can be done but will be costly. Don't ask how I know..

Jack Cooper
kr2coo...@earthlink.net
Fayetteville. NC.


> [Original Message]
> From: Barry Kruyssen <k...@bigpond.com>
> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
> Date: 7/5/2006 5:51:28 PM
> Subject: RE: KR> Insurance
>
> There is no such thing as a "good" insurance company :-)
>
> Sorry, couldn't help myself.
>
> Barry Kruyssen 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
> Of Robert L. Stone
> Sent: Thursday, 6 July 2006 5:22 AM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: KR> Insurance
>
> Hay guys,
>  Who knows of a good insurance company???
>
>
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KR> Insurance

[Mark Jones]

I have had Allstate for the last 30 years for homeowners, life and auto
coverage. I obtained quite a hefty life ins policy from them and for an
additional $54 adder they added experimental aviation and even told me
if I jumped out of an airplane with no chute on I would still be
covered. In other words, no matter how I die or regardless of what I am
doing, my family will reap the rewards. I also have the max coverage
through AOPA which is $200K. So, talk to your carrier because you may
qualify for multi-policy benefits.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
Web site: www.flykr2s.com
Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com


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Behalf Of Jack Cooper
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 1:15 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: RE: KR> Insurance


Try getting life insurance with experimental airplane pilot on the
application. It can be done but will be costly. Don't ask how I know..

Jack Cooper
kr2coo...@earthlink.net
Fayetteville. NC.


> [Original Message]
> From: Barry Kruyssen <k...@bigpond.com>
> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
> Date: 7/5/2006 5:51:28 PM
> Subject: RE: KR> Insurance
>
> There is no such thing as a "good" insurance company :-)
>
> Sorry, couldn't help myself.
>
> Barry Kruyssen 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
Behalf
> Of Robert L. Stone
> Sent: Thursday, 6 July 2006 5:22 AM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: KR> Insurance
>
> Hay guys,
>  Who knows of a good insurance company???
>
>
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[Robert L. Stone]

Mark,
 Thanks for the information.  I will contact Allstate and see what they 
are willing to do for me.

Bob Stone


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From: "Mark Jones" <mjo...@muellersales.com>
To: <kr2coo...@earthlink.net>; "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 2:34 PM
Subject: RE: KR> Insurance


>I have had Allstate for the last 30 years for homeowners, life and auto
> coverage. I obtained quite a hefty life ins policy from them and for an
> additional $54 adder they added experimental aviation and even told me
> if I jumped out of an airplane with no chute on I would still be
> covered. In other words, no matter how I die or regardless of what I am
> doing, my family will reap the rewards. I also have the max coverage
> through AOPA which is $200K. So, talk to your carrier because you may
> qualify for multi-policy benefits.
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI
> Web site: www.flykr2s.com
> Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
> Behalf Of Jack Cooper
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 1:15 PM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: RE: KR> Insurance
>
>
> Try getting life insurance with experimental airplane pilot on the
> application. It can be done but will be costly. Don't ask how I know..
>
> Jack Cooper
> kr2coo...@earthlink.net
> Fayetteville. NC.
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Barry Kruyssen <k...@bigpond.com>
>> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
>> Date: 7/5/2006 5:51:28 PM
>> Subject: RE: KR> Insurance
>>
>> There is no such thing as a "good" insurance company :-)
>>
>> Sorry, couldn't help myself.
>>
>> Barry Kruyssen
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
> Behalf
>> Of Robert L. Stone
>> Sent: Thursday, 6 July 2006 5:22 AM
>> To: KRnet
>> Subject: KR> Insurance
>>
>> Hay guys,
>>  Who knows of a good insurance company???
>>
>>
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KR> insurance

[airgu...@comcast.net]

It's friday so I want to plug AUA Insurance and MAC McGee. Insured with him for 
years even through a prop strike. Fair rates. I hope he's as good with the 
experimental.

--
Paul 
KR2 Stretched 
Derry, NH

KR> Insurance

[Dan Heath]

This is what I got from AIG through Sky Smith:

Dear Daniel,
I have received a declination from AIG to quote excluding passenger
liability unless the aircraft has only one seat.  I apologize for the
inconvenience...let me know if I can get any alternate quotes for you.
I will forward any additional quotes that I receive for you to your e-mail.
It seems that they only want to sell me what they want to sell, not what I
want to buy.  Sky Smith is very nice, but AIG must suk. 

I got a decent quote from Falcon today.  I need to get some questions
answered, but at least they quoted me the insurance that I am interested in
buying.  Still waiting for AUA.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
is OVER.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

KR> insurance

[Bob Glidden]

It's Friday where China??

Bob Glidden
Eminence,Indiana
KR2S N181FW (building)
Corvair 110
glid...@ccrtc.com
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To: "KR List" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:43 PM
Subject: KR> insurance


> It's friday so I want to plug AUA Insurance and MAC McGee. Insured with 
> him for years even through a prop strike. Fair rates. I hope he's as good 
> with the experimental.
>
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> KR2 Stretched
> Derry, NH
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KR> KR insurance

[Doug Rupert]

Thanks Mark will file that number & name away for when the time comes.
Doug

Falcon Insurance (830-257-1000) insured my Corvair powered KR2S through =
AIG,

complete with hull insurance, as well as liablity.  Cost was $1500 for=20
$25,000 hull insurance, and a million dollars liability.  I expect that=20
price to drop dramatically now that I have 125 hours on my plane (it =
will be

over 200 by the time I renew) and over 500 landings.  I think liability=20
alone was something like $800.  I also hear Sky Smith is good.

Mark Langford, Harvest, AL


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KR> KR insurance

[jscott.pi...@juno.com]

On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:50:13 -0600 "Mark Langford" 
writes:
> >  Insurance is a whole new ballgame and I haven't got that far so
> 
> Falcon Insurance (830-257-1000) insured my Corvair powered KR2S 
> through AIG, 
> complete with hull insurance, as well as liablity.  Cost was $1500 
> for 
> $25,000 hull insurance, and a million dollars liability.  I expect 
> that 
> price to drop dramatically now that I have 125 hours on my plane (it 
> will be 
> over 200 by the time I renew) and over 500 landings.  I think 
> liability 
> alone was something like $800.  I also hear Sky Smith is good.


$1M liability on my KR was $300/yr starting with the first flight in
1997.  After 9 years, it's up to $318/yr now.  The price varies between
underwriters, but also depends a great deal on the pilot's experience
level as well.

Jeff Scott

KR> KR insurance

[Brian G. Douglas]

Holy crap!
  I pay just a little over $200 for a year for 1 mil liability on my KR2. 
Now I do not have the policy in front of me so it might be 200 thou and 
there are a few limitations (no pax and I'm the only pilot).  The way that I 
look at it, if I crash then that is the cost of doing business.  So hull 
insurance is not the way to go. I could go on about insurance but..  My 
insurance company is Falcon thru EAA so..

Brian G. Douglas
N8575C KR2 with training wheel (not TD)
Killeen, Texas
- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Langford" <n5...@hiwaay.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:50 PM
Subject: KR> KR insurance


> Doug Rupert wrote:
>
>>  Insurance is a whole new ballgame and I haven't got that far so
>
> Falcon Insurance (830-257-1000) insured my Corvair powered KR2S through 
> AIG,
> complete with hull insurance, as well as liablity.  Cost was $1500 for
> $25,000 hull insurance, and a million dollars liability.  I expect that
> price to drop dramatically now that I have 125 hours on my plane (it will 
> be
> over 200 by the time I renew) and over 500 landings.  I think liability
> alone was something like $800.  I also hear Sky Smith is good.
>
> Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
> see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com
> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net

KR> KR insurance

[Mark Langford]

Brian Douglas wrote:

> The way that I
> look at it, if I crash then that is the cost of doing business.  So hull
> insurance is not the way to go.

If you'd seen me fly my plane the first few times, you'd have bet real money 
that hull insurance would pay off!  I'll probably drop it the next time 
around...

Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net

KR> KR insurance

[Kenneth B. Jones]

The first year, I had hull as well as liability (playing the odds, but 
fortunately I lost), second year, liability only.   There was no reduction 
in the liability the second year with Falcon although I had over 100 hours 
in the KR-2.   I switched to Sky Smith and saved a few bucks.  About $500 
for $1million liability.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig
147 hours




> Brian Douglas wrote:
>> The way that I
>> look at it, if I crash then that is the cost of doing business.  So hull
>> insurance is not the way to go.

> Mark langford wrote:
> If you'd seen me fly my plane the first few times, you'd have bet real 
> money
> that hull insurance would pay off!  I'll probably drop it the next time
> around...
> 

KR> KR insurance

[Mark Langford]

Doug Rupert wrote:

>  Insurance is a whole new ballgame and I haven't got that far so

Falcon Insurance (830-257-1000) insured my Corvair powered KR2S through AIG, 
complete with hull insurance, as well as liablity.  Cost was $1500 for 
$25,000 hull insurance, and a million dollars liability.  I expect that 
price to drop dramatically now that I have 125 hours on my plane (it will be 
over 200 by the time I renew) and over 500 landings.  I think liability 
alone was something like $800.  I also hear Sky Smith is good.

Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net

KR> KR insurance

[phil brookman]

over here uk insurance cheapest just pilot only and hull 286 pounds

i hear france is much cheaper where i insure my microlight for just 44
pouonds liablilty only

phil
- Original Message -
From: "Mark Langford" <n5...@hiwaay.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:50 PM
Subject: KR> KR insurance


> Doug Rupert wrote:
>
> >  Insurance is a whole new ballgame and I haven't got that far so
>
> Falcon Insurance (830-257-1000) insured my Corvair powered KR2S through
AIG,
> complete with hull insurance, as well as liablity.  Cost was $1500 for
> $25,000 hull insurance, and a million dollars liability.  I expect that
> price to drop dramatically now that I have 125 hours on my plane (it will
be
> over 200 by the time I renew) and over 500 landings.  I think liability
> alone was something like $800.  I also hear Sky Smith is good.
>
> Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
> see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com
> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
>
>
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KR> Insurance

[Kenneth Wiltrout]

Just wondering what some of you guys are doing for medical insurance other
than the standard stuff you get with the hull insurance which would only
cover the ambulance ride.

My company insurance has no stipulations about refusing coverage in the
event I would need it for an aviation related event.



Thanks, Kenny

KR> Insurance

[Colin Rainey]

Kenneth and netters
Anyone looking at either life insurance or health insurance needs to look 
closely at the aviation exclusions.  Most cover a commercial flight as a paying 
passenger of scheduled flights with an air carrier.  Almost all that I have 
seen that are "standard" employment or personal offerings have exclusions for: 
1) flights as pilot in command or passenger of any small aircraft (under 
12,500# takeoff weight), unscheduled flights, or gliders; 2) skydiving; 3) any 
form or type of flight instruction.

AOPA and EAA have companies that they are endorsing that make policies 
available that DO cover in the case of accidents in General Aviation airplanes. 
 Some still have exclusions if flying in an experimental aircraft.  Mine covers 
me while flying any plane, PIC or as instructor, but does not cover me while 
flying my KR2.

Just some thoughts...


Colin Rainey
brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net
EarthLink Revolves Around You.

KR> Insurance

[Mark Jones]

Very true. You need to sit down with your carrier and find out. My employers 
insurance excludes experimental aviation however I have been a customer of 
Allstate for almost 30 years and I have a very healthy policy with them that 
covers me in any situation. My agent told me I could jump out of a plane with 
no parachute on and I would be covered. The rider for this type of coverage is 
a lot less than you think it would be, especially if your carrier also does 
your cars and homeowners.

Mark Jones (N886MJ) 
Wales, WI 
Visit my web site: http://www.flykr2s.com
Email: mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com 



-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
Behalf Of Colin Rainey
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:07 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> Insurance


Kenneth and netters
Anyone looking at either life insurance or health insurance needs to look 
closely at the aviation exclusions.  Most cover a commercial flight as a paying 
passenger of scheduled flights with an air carrier.  Almost all that I have 
seen that are "standard" employment or personal offerings have exclusions for: 
1) flights as pilot in command or passenger of any small aircraft (under 
12,500# takeoff weight), unscheduled flights, or gliders; 2) skydiving; 3) any 
form or type of flight instruction.

AOPA and EAA have companies that they are endorsing that make policies 
available that DO cover in the case of accidents in General Aviation airplanes. 
 Some still have exclusions if flying in an experimental aircraft.  Mine covers 
me while flying any plane, PIC or as instructor, but does not cover me while 
flying my KR2.

Just some thoughts...


Colin Rainey
brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
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KR> Insurance

[Lee Van Dyke]

I just got a Million $ policy without the airplane exclusion.  My hanger
mate is a semi reitred manager for in insurance company.  For the plane, I
have coverage with a company that slips my mind right now, but even though I
did'nt have time in a KR I had enough time in a tailtragger, where they
covered me.  As far as the personal insurance,,, go with the no ask no tell
policy, remember flying is still safer than driving your car.

Lee



- Original Message - 
From: "Colin Rainey" <brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:07 PM
Subject: KR> Insurance


> Kenneth and netters
> Anyone looking at either life insurance or health insurance needs to look
closely at the aviation exclusions.  Most cover a commercial flight as a
paying passenger of scheduled flights with an air carrier.  Almost all that
I have seen that are "standard" employment or personal offerings have
exclusions for: 1) flights as pilot in command or passenger of any small
aircraft (under 12,500# takeoff weight), unscheduled flights, or gliders; 2)
skydiving; 3) any form or type of flight instruction.
>
> AOPA and EAA have companies that they are endorsing that make policies
available that DO cover in the case of accidents in General Aviation
airplanes.  Some still have exclusions if flying in an experimental
aircraft.  Mine covers me while flying any plane, PIC or as instructor, but
does not cover me while flying my KR2.
>
> Just some thoughts...
>
>
> Colin Rainey
> brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net
> EarthLink Revolves Around You.
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KR> KR Insurance

[sp...@sbcglobal.net]

Hello KRNet.

I have a question regarding getting insurance on my KR. I have been told 
that if I rebuild a vw engine from new parts that I order and rebuild my own 
engine, I will not be able to get insurance on my plane, but if I order an 
engine kit from Great Plains then I will have no problem. I have been building 
engines for 16 years and know that I can build a safe engine. If anybody has 
any experience on this subject could you help me out? I would really prefer to 
rebuild my own engine since I already have one.  

Steve Henderson
St. Louis, MO
KR-1 (getting close to being done)
sp...@sbcglobal.net

KR> KR Insurance

[Mark Langford]

Steve Henderson wrote:

>>I have a question regarding getting insurance on my KR. I have been told
that if I rebuild a vw engine from new parts that I order and rebuild my own
engine, I will not be able to get insurance on my plane, but if I order an
engine kit from Great Plains then I will have no problem. I have been
building engines for 16 years and know that I can build a safe engine. If
anybody has any experience on this subject could you help me out? <<

I just got insurance for my homebrewed Corvair powered KR2S, for which there
are very few flying examples yet, so the VW has to be insurable as well.
William Wynne told me to call Bob Mackey at Falcon insurance.  I didn't tell
Bob that I had built it from scratch, but he didn't ask either.  So Falcon
is one option, and they are the EAA's insurance provider.  I've also heard
good things about Sky Smith.

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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KR> insurance / long

[Jim Faughn]

I have used AVEMCO since 1992. I only have liability because I don't
want to pay for extra insurance. If I crash it, I can either rebuild it
or give it up. Everyone knows my setup.

Jim Faughn
N891JF

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
Behalf Of Dan Heath
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 11:15 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: KR> insurance / long



I am more interested in liability than hull.  I seriously doubt that any
insurance company would be willing to pay me what this plane is worth to
me, and it certainly cannot be replaced. 

See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics 
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for
building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt.
Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering ---Original Message--- Hull
Coverage - do you know what you have?

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[larry flesner]

Netters,

Below is a protion of an e-mail newletter from SkySmith Insurance.
I have my Tripacer insurance with them (they are a broker) and
have been extremely pleased with their service. I thought it might
be of interest to some of you that are not knowledgable on
the subject.  Keep in mind that the KR with anything but a
Lycombing or Continental will be nearly impossible to get
insurance on.  It's just the name of the game.

Larry Flesner





--

Hull Coverage - do you know what you have?

Hull coverage is the protection you are buying for the actual value of the
aircraft. It is comparable to the collision and comprehensive portion of
your auto policy. Hull coverage is also the portion of  insurance that will
cover loss from theft or other damage depending on the type of coverage you
have purchased. If the hangar collapses and crushes your aircraft, hull
coverage will cover it. If someone steals your radios, hull coverage should
cover them. 

Stated or Agreed Value.  Aviation insurance is generally a "stated or
agreed value" policy. That means if you have a total loss, the claims
department will pay the stated value of the policy (minus your deductible).
This is different from auto insurance. It is your obligation to value the
aircraft at a reasonable value. Most underwriters will consider deviating
from book values if you provide proof of value (POV). Proof is in the form
of an equipment list including avionics, modifications, engine hours,
airframe hours and interior/exterior condition. Usually the value limit is
about 10% over book value before you need to provide proof of value.

Types of coverage. There are basically two types of hull coverage with each
aviation insurance company having their own variations. These coverages
are: not-in-motion (NIM) and in-motion (IM). Not-in-motion is when the
aircraft is parked and/or moving, but not under its own power. In-motion is
when the engine or engines are actually moving the aircraft. Many companies
do not include taxi operations under the not-in-motion part of the policy.
That means if you have an accident while taxiing with a policy that does
not include taxi operations, you will be responsible for repairs to the
aircraft. If taxi is included, this coverage might be called not-in-flight.
 Remember, each company has its own definition of the hull coverage. 

Deductibles. Deductibles are the portion of the repair that the insured
pays. In-motion deductibles are often higher (and sometimes substantially
higher) than not-in-motion deductibles. 

Composite aircraft often have higher deductibles. These aircraft are not
considered a mainstream repair and a local shop might not have the
experience, tools or materials required to make the repair.

A few companies have a different deductible for specific claims they have
experienced. For example, one company has a $10,000 deductible for any
claim that involves the landing gear (gear up, gear collapse, etc). Another
company has a $5,000 deductible for any claim that involves a Pitts S2
canopy. 

Builder's risk. This coverage is generally for aircraft undergoing
restoration or being custom or home built. Builder's risk typically
requires the insured to provide a beginning value and a projected ending
value for the policy year. This policy will pay the amount as established
at the time of the loss. The maximum will be the estimated ending value as
stated in the policy. This provides increasing coverage for your kit or
restoration project as the value increases. You will need to keep receipts
and records to substantiate the value at any particular time. 

TIP!Be sure to keep receipts and invoices for any changes to your aircraft
that might change the hull value.  In the event of a claim, be prepared to
show these as proof for the loss. It is always a good idea to keep a copy
of your equipment list, weight and balance (or records of the
installations) in a secure location away from the airplane. This seems like
extra work for the owner but it will simplify the claims process, be handy
if selling the plane, and is always good information to have on hand. 

KR> insurance / long

[Dan Heath]

Actually, the man I talked to at Falcon, had no problem with the GPASC VW
that we are using, but we haven't bought the insurance yet either. 

See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics 
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
has expired.
Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering
---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 02/04/05 19:57:17
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> insurance / long


Netters,

Below is a protion of an e-mail newletter from SkySmith Insurance.
I have my Tripacer insurance with them (they are a broker) and
have been extremely pleased with their service. I thought it might
be of interest to some of you that are not knowledgable on
the subject.  Keep in mind that the KR with anything but a
Lycombing or Continental will be nearly impossible to get
insurance on.  It's just the name of the game.

Larry Flesner





--

Hull Coverage - do you know what you have?

Hull coverage is the protection you are buying for the actual value of the
aircraft. It is comparable to the collision and comprehensive portion of
your auto policy. Hull coverage is also the portion of  insurance that will
cover loss from theft or other damage depending on the type of coverage you
have purchased. If the hangar collapses and crushes your aircraft, hull
coverage will cover it. If someone steals your radios, hull coverage should
cover them.

Stated or Agreed Value.  Aviation insurance is generally a "stated or
agreed value" policy. That means if you have a total loss, the claims
department will pay the stated value of the policy (minus your deductible).
This is different from auto insurance. It is your obligation to value the
aircraft at a reasonable value. Most underwriters will consider deviating
from book values if you provide proof of value (POV). Proof is in the form
of an equipment list including avionics, modifications, engine hours,
airframe hours and interior/exterior condition. Usually the value limit is
about 10% over book value before you need to provide proof of value.

Types of coverage. There are basically two types of hull coverage with each
aviation insurance company having their own variations. These coverages
are: not-in-motion (NIM) and in-motion (IM). Not-in-motion is when the
aircraft is parked and/or moving, but not under its own power. In-motion is
when the engine or engines are actually moving the aircraft. Many companies
do not include taxi operations under the not-in-motion part of the policy.
That means if you have an accident while taxiing with a policy that does
not include taxi operations, you will be responsible for repairs to the
aircraft. If taxi is included, this coverage might be called not-in-flight.
  Remember, each company has its own definition of the hull coverage.

Deductibles. Deductibles are the portion of the repair that the insured
pays. In-motion deductibles are often higher (and sometimes substantially
higher) than not-in-motion deductibles.

Composite aircraft often have higher deductibles. These aircraft are not
considered a mainstream repair and a local shop might not have the
experience, tools or materials required to make the repair.

A few companies have a different deductible for specific claims they have
experienced. For example, one company has a $10,000 deductible for any
claim that involves the landing gear (gear up, gear collapse, etc). Another
company has a $5,000 deductible for any claim that involves a Pitts S2
canopy.

Builder's risk. This coverage is generally for aircraft undergoing
restoration or being custom or home built. Builder's risk typically
requires the insured to provide a beginning value and a projected ending
value for the policy year. This policy will pay the amount as established
at the time of the loss. The maximum will be the estimated ending value as
stated in the policy. This provides increasing coverage for your kit or
restoration project as the value increases. You will need to keep receipts
and records to substantiate the value at any particular time.

TIP!Be sure to keep receipts and invoices for any changes to your aircraft
that might change the hull value.  In the event of a claim, be prepared to
show these as proof for the loss. It is always a good idea to keep a copy
of your equipment list, weight and balance (or records of the
installations) in a secure location away from the airplane. This seems like
extra work for the owner but it will simplify the claims process, be handy
if selling the plane, and is always good information to have on hand.





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[Dean Cooper]

Larry wrote:
>Keep in mind that the KR with anything but a Lycombing or Continental will
be nearly impossible to get insurance on.
Dan wrote:
> Actually, the man I talked to at Falcon, had no problem with the GPASC VW


I thought Mark Jones got insurance from Falcon with his corvair as well?


Dean Cooper
Jacksonville, FL
Email me at dean_coo...@bellsouth.net
See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html

KR> insurance / long

[Dana Overall]

>From: "Dan Heath" 
>Actually, the man I talked to at Falcon, had no problem with the GPASC VW
>that we are using, but we haven't bought the insurance yet either.


Dan, did Steve build the engine up or did you use Steve's parts to rebuild 
the engine.  From what I hear, they will only go for coverage if Steve built 
it.



Dana Overall
1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
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KR> insurance / long

[Dan Heath]

Factory Direct.  The only thing that we have done is to install the
electronic ignition from Steve, according to his instructions, almost.  We
made one improvement by not drilling holes in the case and not inserting a
screw into an O-ring recess.  We used the stock VW Distributor clamp.   

See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics 
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
has expired.
Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering
---Original Message---

From: KRnet
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 02/05/05 07:58:08
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: KR> insurance / long

>From: "Dan Heath" <da...@alltel.net>
>Actually, the man I talked to at Falcon, had no problem with the GPASC VW
>that we are using, but we haven't bought the insurance yet either.


Dan, did Steve build the engine up or did you use Steve's parts to rebuild
the engine.  From what I hear, they will only go for coverage if Steve built
it.



Dana Overall
1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Finish kit
13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon.
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg
do not archive



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KR> insurance / long

[Mark Jones]

Yes, Falcon will insure the Corvair KR-2S. However, I got better coverage
from Smith and a little less.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html


- Original Message - 
From: "Dean Cooper" <dean_coo...@bellsouth.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: KR> insurance / long


> Larry wrote:
> >Keep in mind that the KR with anything but a Lycombing or Continental
will
> be nearly impossible to get insurance on.
> Dan wrote:
> > Actually, the man I talked to at Falcon, had no problem with the GPASC
VW
>
>
> I thought Mark Jones got insurance from Falcon with his corvair as well?
>
>
> Dean Cooper
> Jacksonville, FL
> Email me at dean_coo...@bellsouth.net
> See my KR project at www.geocities.com/djramccoop1/KR2_Home.html
>
>
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KR> insurance / long

[Dan Heath]

I am more interested in liability than hull.  I seriously doubt that any
insurance company would be willing to pay me what this plane is worth to me,
and it certainly cannot be replaced. 

See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics 
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
has expired.
Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering
---Original Message---
Hull Coverage - do you know what you have?

KR> Insurance

[Colin & Bev Rainey]

If you read closely in most standard life insurance policies they will pay if 
you are a paying passenger of an air carrier flight but not a private small 
plane, regardless of position in the aircraft pilot or passenger.  Minnesota 
Life sells a policy thru AOPA  that covers pilots while flying small planes for 
competitive rates to standard companies.  Most of the reason they don't provide 
coverage is that they have no information with which to estimate risk, so they 
just add an exclusion to covering and leave it at that.  Check with AOPA, and I 
bet also EAA has representatives that know of policy choices for coverage while 
flying.  I am covered while I fly and teach, both AD and life insurance thru 
AOPA.  It really pays to be a part of AOPA.  Alot of their stuff is for direct 
support of general aviation pilots like us. 

Colin & Bev Rainey
KR2(td) N96TA
Sanford, FL
crain...@cfl.rr.com
http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html

KR> Insurance

[Mark Jones]

I have several policies which will pay in the event of AD in my
experimental. I have been with Allstate for about 20 years and they gladly
accepted my request for coverage for only an additional $54 a year. I also
have several other companies I have coverage with. If it happens to me, my
family will b well taken care of. I just told my wife she better use it
wisely because I will be watching.  Also, you should set up trust funds
for your kids and their education and care should something happen to your
spouse. A will is a must as is a living will. Don't fly without the proper
coverage.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html


- Original Message - 
From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" <crain...@cfl.rr.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 3:35 PM
Subject: KR> Insurance


> If you read closely in most standard life insurance policies they will pay
if you are a paying passenger of an air carrier flight but not a private
small plane, regardless of position in the aircraft pilot or passenger.  >
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KR> Insurance

[Al Friesen]

Mark,
Did you sell insurance   Al
- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Insurance


>I have several policies which will pay in the event of AD in my
> experimental. I have been with Allstate for about 20 years and they gladly
> accepted my request for coverage for only an additional $54 a year. I also
> have several other companies I have coverage with. If it happens to me, my
> family will b well taken care of. I just told my wife she better use it
> wisely because I will be watching.  Also, you should set up trust 
> funds
> for your kids and their education and care should something happen to your
> spouse. A will is a must as is a living will. Don't fly without the proper
> coverage.
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI  USA
> E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Colin & Bev Rainey" <crain...@cfl.rr.com>
> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 3:35 PM
> Subject: KR> Insurance
>
>
>> If you read closely in most standard life insurance policies they will 
>> pay
> if you are a paying passenger of an air carrier flight but not a private
> small plane, regardless of position in the aircraft pilot or passenger.  >
> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net
>> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
>>
>
>
>
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KR> Insurance

[larry flesner]

>
>SkySmith Aviation Don't waste your time anywhere else. Been there
>done that.
+++

I've delt with Sky Smith for 6 1/2 years with my Tripacer.  Good people.
However, they couldn't get me insurance on the KR before first flight.
I went with Avemco for liability.  Only got that because I had the
Continental 0-200 installed.  Not cheap! $996 a year.  I paying by
1/4 year at a time and plan to switch soon.

Larry Flesner

KR> Insurance

[Mark Jones]

FYII just received a quote from Falcon Insurance through EAA. I advised 
them my plane is equipped with a Corvair engine and they offered me a 
$1,000,000.00 liability. Hull value $15,000.00 for a rate of $1,851.00 per 
year. Insurance is obtainable with a Corvair engineyou just have to pay out 
the A$$ for it.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA 
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at   
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html

KR> Insurance

[Ross Youngblood]

Wow!  $1851/year?  I can insure a $60K Cardinal RG for that...

On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:19:23 -0600, Mark Jones  wrote:

> FYII just received a quote from Falcon Insurance through EAA. I 
> advised them my plane is equipped with a Corvair engine and they offered 
> me a $1,000,000.00 liability. Hull value $15,000.00 for a rate of 
> $1,851.00 per year. Insurance is obtainable with a Corvair engineyou 
> just have to pay out the A$$ for it.
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI  USA
> E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
>
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KR> Insurance

[Kenneth L Wiltrout]

My 2S is powered by a 2100 Revmaster$15,000 hull value, and full
coverage for under $1000 last year, I'm being requoted for this year. I
should know in the next week or 2 what it will cost for 04. My carrier is
SkySmith.


On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:19:23 -0600 "Mark Jones" 
writes:
> FYII just received a quote from Falcon Insurance through EAA. I 
> advised them my plane is equipped with a Corvair engine and they 
> offered me a $1,000,000.00 liability. Hull value $15,000.00 for a 
> rate of $1,851.00 per year. Insurance is obtainable with a Corvair 
> engineyou just have to pay out the A$$ for it.
> 
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI  USA 
> E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at   
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
> 
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[joe]

I think the bulk of the cost may rise from the 1 million dollar liability
- Original Message - 
From: "Ross Youngblood" <ross...@operamail.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>; "Corvaircraft" <corvaircr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Insurance


> Wow!  $1851/year?  I can insure a $60K Cardinal RG for that...
>
> On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:19:23 -0600, Mark Jones <flyk...@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > FYII just received a quote from Falcon Insurance through EAA. I
> > advised them my plane is equipped with a Corvair engine and they offered
> > me a $1,000,000.00 liability. Hull value $15,000.00 for a rate of
> > $1,851.00 per year. Insurance is obtainable with a Corvair engineyou
> > just have to pay out the A$$ for it.
> >
> > Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> > Wales, WI  USA
> > E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
> > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html
> >
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KR>insurance

[larry flesner]

>It's me again, the new wide-eyed, 51 year old kid who wants to
>fly. I've been waiting on an insurance quote for a 1968
>midtime Cessna 150. The C150 is my backup plan to the KR. I
>just got a quote for a premium of $3100. After I get my
>private license, then it ONLY costs an additional $900! Oh,
>the good part is: after I get my private license, the premium
>does not go down and is not adjusted.
+++

I suspect you quote was so high for two reasons.  First, you have
no flight time and most of the flight hours would be for training or
solo by a low time pilot.  Both high risk.

Second, your location.  I suspect there are many more accidents
in your part of the world because of the way aircraft are used and
the conditions they operate in.

My Tripacer insurance cost me $625 a year for MOTION, NON-
MOTION, AND LIABILITY ($1,000,000.00) and has not gone up
for the past three years as many have.  I have it insured for 
$16,000 and some will say that is too low but that is what I paid
for the airplane and probably couldn't complain if that's what I
get if it's totalled as I've gotten 500 hours of flght time from it.

As for the KR, I'm a 950 hour Commerical pilot, SEL, 
non-instrument rated, with about 15 hours of tailwheel time.
Avemco is the only company that would even give me liability
and then only because I'm using a Continental aircraft engine and
not an auto conversion.  They want $965 a year and won't even
offer MOTION, NON-MOTION coverage.  I've got a three month
coverage and will seek re-quotes when I get some hours on the
airplane.  I would expect the quote to drop by 50% after 40 hours
but that is just a WAG on my part.  

With all that said, don't give up on your dream of flying.  When 
there's a will, there's a way.  Good luck.

Larry Flesner
Carterville, Illinois

KR>insurance

[Brian Kraut]

That price sounds very high for liability only.  I got a quote of $650 
for liability with 168 total hours, ten tailwheel hours, and seven KR 
hours.  I would think with the pacer that you probably have a lot more 
time than me so I would expect your time to be lower.  Get a quote from 
the EAA and AOPA agencies also.  Let them know if you have a Great 
Plains or other known auto engine conversion.  They will give you a 
better rate than an unknown conversion that you could have put together 
from junkyard parts.

larry flesner wrote:

>There's a lot of information in here and the authur
>
>>, Scott Smith, is an agent and says that He was appionted by Jeannette Rand
>>as the preferred agent for the KR2.
>>Paden Waldren
>>
>+++=
>
>I've had my Tripacer insurance for 5 1/2 years through Scott "Sky"
>Smith and I'm now with the third insurance company.  They are
>great people to work with but I recently tried to get insurance
>on the KR (liability only) and they coundn't find anyone that 
>would insure it.  
>
>Avemco said they would give me liability for about $1000 a
>year.  I plan to get 3 months coverage just before my 
>first flight (soon) and then get a re-quote.
>
>I was "playing" on the runway today and bystanders said
>the tail was up on one run for 50 feet or more.  I couldn't
>even tell it came up as it was tracking straight as an
>arrow and required little if any rudder input.  Something
>to be said for my 8 foot wide gear and the 24 inch
>stretch on the fuselage.
>
>Larry Flesner
>
>
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