KR> Grove Gear

[Clayton]

Jeff,
Have you gotten rid of the KR parts?
Curious what you are asking for the flaps and how much work it would take to
install into a finished craft.
Thank you,
Clayton 

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From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Carney
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 2:26 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Grove Gear

I have a KR parts plane that I'm looking to sell.   Landing gear, tires
wheels brakes, canopy, 1 set of retract gear legs, wings flaps, tail
feathers, canopy, header tanks, push rods, etc.  Also a couple of
cowlings.If anybody needs this stuff give me a call.  
Thanks, Jeff. 615-230-8030 

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> On Jan 25, 2014, at 9:53 PM, "Clayton"  wrote:
> 
> Good evening,
> 
> Looking for KR2 Grove one piece landing gear for project.
> 
> Anyone have one lying around they don't plan to use?
> 
> Willing to pay fair price plus shipping.
> 
> Feel free to contact me off net.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Clayton
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KR> Grove Gear

[Jeff Carney]

I have a KR parts plane that I'm looking to sell.   Landing gear, tires wheels 
brakes, canopy, 1 set of retract gear legs, wings flaps, tail feathers, canopy, 
header tanks, push rods, etc.  Also a couple of cowlings.If anybody needs this 
stuff give me a call.  
Thanks, Jeff. 615-230-8030 

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> On Jan 25, 2014, at 9:53 PM, "Clayton"  wrote:
> 
> Good evening,
> 
> Looking for KR2 Grove one piece landing gear for project.
> 
> Anyone have one lying around they don't plan to use?
> 
> Willing to pay fair price plus shipping.
> 
> Feel free to contact me off net.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Clayton 
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KR> Grove Gear

[Clayton]

Good evening,

Looking for KR2 Grove one piece landing gear for project.

Anyone have one lying around they don't plan to use?

Willing to pay fair price plus shipping.

Feel free to contact me off net.

Thank you,

Clayton 

KR> Grove gear

[Lee Van Dyke]

Can somebody at Sun n fun stop by the grove gear booth and see if they have a 
gear leg replacements for a dragonfly mk 2

Lee Van Dyke

KR> Grove gear question

[Ron Smith]

There is a certain amount of camber angle to the gear to compensate for a/c 
weight. Does anybody have the camber angle in degrees?
I'm thinking of trying to make some fiberglass maingear and I'd like a starting 
point for that angle if anyone can help.

I'll make the gear, post some pics and test the gear for strength, and give you 
guys the results and how much it costs.

Any tips would be appreciated.

KR> Grove gear question

[Matthew Elder]

Having just made my own 'glass gear, I can tell you
this...  It's a tedious process :-)  The camber angle
is based on how much deflection of the gear leg at
what weight, so the answer is "it depends".

My legs are 25.5 inches long (hyp dim) at a 45deg
angle.  I ended up with a calculated angle of 2deg
camber sized for the length of the leg, the angle, and
the ramp weight of 830 lbs (KR-1).

Initial testing shows that it's just about right on,
but that's for my instance.  I have about $160 in
mine.  There aren't a lot of details on my website
just yet, but I'll get some more up there one day. 
Hope this helps.

Matt


--- Ron Smith  wrote:

> There is a certain amount of camber angle to the
> gear to compensate for a/c weight. Does anybody have
> the camber angle in degrees?
> I'm thinking of trying to make some fiberglass
> maingear and I'd like a starting point for that
> angle if anyone can help.
>  
> I'll make the gear, post some pics and test the gear
> for strength, and give you guys the results and how
> much it costs.
>  
> Any tips would be appreciated.
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KR> Grove gear question

[Ron Smith]

Matthew Elder  wrote:
Having just made my own 'glass gear, I can tell you
this... It's a tedious process :-) The camber angle
is based on how much deflection of the gear leg at
what weight, so the answer is "it depends".

My legs are 25.5 inches long (hyp dim) at a 45deg
angle. I ended up with a calculated angle of 2deg
camber sized for the length of the leg, the angle, and
the ramp weight of 830 lbs (KR-1).

Initial testing shows that it's just about right on,
but that's for my instance. I have about $160 in
mine. There aren't a lot of details on my website
just yet, but I'll get some more up there one day. 
Hope this helps.

Matt


--- Ron Smith wrote:

Thanks Matt,



I was thinking it would be about 3 degrees. I will have to shim it anyway, I'm 
sure. 



How is the "glass panel" going?



Ron Smith
Kr2ssxl
Cypress Ca U.S.A.
mercedesm...@yahoo.com
http://ronsmith.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php

KR> Grove gear question

[Ron Smith]

Matthew Elder  wrote: 
Having just made my own 'glass gear, I can tell you
this... It's a tedious process :-) The camber angle
is based on how much deflection of the gear leg at
what weight, so the answer is "it depends".

My legs are 25.5 inches long (hyp dim) at a 45deg
angle. I ended up with a calculated angle of 2deg
camber sized for the length of the leg, the angle, and
the ramp weight of 830 lbs (KR-1).

Initial testing shows that it's just about right on,
but that's for my instance. I have about $160 in
mine. There aren't a lot of details on my website
just yet, but I'll get some more up there one day. 
Hope this helps.

Matt


--- Ron Smith wrote:

I forgot to ask. How many layers of fiberglass, uni? Carbon? eglass? sglass?



Hope you don't mind all the questions :)




Ron Smith
Kr2ssxl
Cypress Ca U.S.A.
mercedesm...@yahoo.com
http://ronsmith.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php

KR> Grove gear question

[Matthew Elder]

Hrmm... Well something like 40 layers of
unidirectional (15 oz) and 12 or so layers of tri-ply
woven (22 oz).  I don't have my sketch in front of me
here at work, so I don't remember for sure.

They are an inch think at the mount locations on the
spars, and taper down to about .7" at the wheel end.  

Matt




--- Ron Smith  wrote:
> I forgot to ask. How many layers of fiberglass, uni?
> Carbon? eglass? sglass?
> 
>  
> 
> Hope you don't mind all the questions :)
> 



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Orangeburg, SC 
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My Airplane Project:
http://www.infinigral.com/melder/flying/KR1/

KR> Grove Gear

[Al Friesen]

Orma,
Did you get any pics of the Cleveland brake setup on the Grove gear. Let me 
know off net.  nesei...@telus.net Al
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To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: KR> Grove Gear


> Hello Net
> As usual, Tweety is a no show.  We did not make the trip to Hartford and 
> on to Oshkosh.  In place of making the trip I have been working on the 
> Cleveland wheel swap.  I need to see a picture of the grove gear with 
> Cleveland's installed.  I want to know at what position the brake caliper 
> is mounted.  On my Rand Gear, I have decided to mount the caliper to the 
> rear, at about the 3 or 9 O clock position(depending on which way you view 
> it from.).  My Rand gear is wider at the bottom then the Cleveland axle. 
> It required me to trim the gear leg in order for the brake caliper to fit. 
> I'm interested in how anyone with the Grove gear and Cleveland wheels and 
> brakes worked this area.
>
> Orma
> Southfield, MI
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KR> Grove Gear

[Orma]

Hi Al
So far no one has replied.  Any pictures that you have would be greatly 
appreciated.

Orma 

KR> Grove Gear

[Al Friesen]

I will take some pics of my gear on Sat afternoon and should get them to you 
buy evening.  I need your email to send them to as the net won't take 
attachments. Al
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Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:32 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Grove Gear


> Hi Al
> So far no one has replied.  Any pictures that you have would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Orma
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KR> Grove Gear

[Al Friesen]

Sorry,
 I have your address in my file. Al
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Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:32 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Grove Gear


> Hi Al
> So far no one has replied.  Any pictures that you have would be greatly 
> appreciated.
> 
> Orma 
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KR> Grove Gear

[Orma]

Hello Net
As usual, Tweety is a no show.  We did not make the trip to Hartford and on to 
Oshkosh.  In place of making the trip I have been working on the Cleveland 
wheel swap.  I need to see a picture of the grove gear with Cleveland's 
installed.  I want to know at what position the brake caliper is mounted.  On 
my Rand Gear, I have decided to mount the caliper to the rear, at about the 3 
or 9 O clock position(depending on which way you view it from.).  My Rand gear 
is wider at the bottom then the Cleveland axle.  It required me to trim the 
gear leg in order for the brake caliper to fit.  I'm interested in how anyone 
with the Grove gear and Cleveland wheels and brakes worked this area.

Orma
Southfield, MI
N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year
Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust
http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/

KR> Grove gear

[Brian Kraut]

I was just looking at my new Grove one piece gear and seeing how the wheels
and brakes would go on.  I had the gear gun drilled for the brake lines.
They obviously drill from the end of the legs and the 1/4" NPT thread comes
out the bottom of the legs pointing straight down.  In order to have the
Cleveland brakes clear the gear leg they have to be on the bottom.
Therefore, unless you put about an inch and a half spacer between the axle
and the gear leg there is no way to hook a brake line to the bottom fitting
on the gear.  I am assuming that the intended way to attach the line is to
drill a brake line port from the aft facing side of the gear leg into the
other port, tap it, and put a plug on the end port of the gear.
Unfortunately, I can't call them until Monday so if anyone sees that I am
missing something let me know.  Looking at it it seems obvious that this is
what is intended, but I am wondering why it was not done like that when I
received it.

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com

KR> Grove gear

[Brian Kraut]

I know how long it takes to retrofit a retract gear KR with Diehl gear.  Can
anyone give me an idea on how long it takes to put on a set of Grove gear?
I know about how long it will take to remove the retracts, fix the holes in
the wing, and install the wheels and brakes once the new gear is on.  I am
looking for a guestimated time for actually attaching the Grove to the
plane.

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com

KR> Grove gear

[Brian Kraut]

Oh, and would anyone happen to have a Set of one piece Grove gear for sale?
Contact me at br...@engalt.com.

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com

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From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
Behalf Of Brian Kraut
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:34 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Grove gear


I know how long it takes to retrofit a retract gear KR with Diehl gear.  Can
anyone give me an idea on how long it takes to put on a set of Grove gear?
I know about how long it will take to remove the retracts, fix the holes in
the wing, and install the wheels and brakes once the new gear is on.  I am
looking for a guestimated time for actually attaching the Grove to the
plane.

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com


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KR> Grove gear

[larry severson]

At 10:33 PM 1/2/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>I know how long it takes to retrofit a retract gear KR with Diehl gear.  Can
>anyone give me an idea on how long it takes to put on a set of Grove gear?

The gear will have to be streamlined and hydraulic lines installed prior to 
glassing for reinforcement (about 2 days prior to installation in wing).
After the gear glass is dry, you will have to drill and mount/flox  the 
wheel and gear/spar mount attachments (2-4 hours)and reinstall it with 
glass reinforcement.
While the glass on the gear is drying, you will have to cut out the leading 
edge.
At that point, you have to drill the spar for the gear mounting and install 
the gear.

With your skill, and the ability to keep the area above 70 degrees, you can 
probably get done in 1-2 days. It took me a week.

Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
lar...@socal.rr.com 

KR> Grove gear

[Dan Heath]

The grove gear can be ordered streamlined and with the hydraulic galleys pre
drilled in the leg. No glassing is required as it is an aluminum gear. The
only glass work that you will need to do is the fairing of it into the
fuselage bottom. I think it is the most simple gear installation available. 

I have done both the Diehl and Grove.

See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics 

There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
has expired.

Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC

See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering

---Original Message---



>I know how long it takes to retrofit a retract gear KR with Diehl gear. Can

>anyone give me an idea on how long it takes to put on a set of Grove gear?

KR> Grove gear

[Orma]

how long it takes to put on a set of Grove gear?

Hello Brian

Back in "91",  I converted from the retract to the Rand fixed Gear.  The 
gear that Rand sold at the time came with attach brackets.  They were an 
exact match, and actually bolted in the same holes that the retract used.  I 
was required to add a 1/4 plywood web to the spar and cut holes in the floor 
to allow the attach brackets to drop through.  The brackets then bolted to 
the rend gear.  I was finished in about 4 hours.  As for the hyd lines, I 
attached them with clamps to the rear of the gear.  The gears stock was not 
flat and came rounded at the front and rear, though I would not say it was 
completely streamlined.  I think there is a difference in the grove gear and 
the gear that Rand initially sold.  I don't know if the same Rand Gear and 
brackets is still available.

Orma
Southfield, MI
N110LR celebrating 20 years
Flying, flying and more flying
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KR> Grove gear

[Brian Kraut]

Thanks.  You may have saved me a bunch of time and money.  Rand still lists
the gear on their site for about $200 less than the Grove gear that doesn't
even come with the mounting brackets.

Anyone out there that has seen both the Rand and Grove that can comment on
the two?  I know that grove has the option of gun drilling the hydraulic
line in the gear and they will make it a few inches longer or shorter for
about the same price.  I don't know what the length on the Rand is and I
suspect it will take me a few days to get a call back.

Dave Mullins did a great job installing the Grove and has good pictures on
his site.  I don't know of any other installation pictures of the Grove or
Rand gear anywhere.  Can anyone point me to some more?

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com

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Behalf Of Orma
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:46 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Grove gear


how long it takes to put on a set of Grove gear?

Hello Brian

Back in "91",  I converted from the retract to the Rand fixed Gear.  The
gear that Rand sold at the time came with attach brackets.  They were an
exact match, and actually bolted in the same holes that the retract used.  I
was required to add a 1/4 plywood web to the spar and cut holes in the floor
to allow the attach brackets to drop through.  The brackets then bolted to
the rend gear.  I was finished in about 4 hours.  As for the hyd lines, I
attached them with clamps to the rear of the gear.  The gears stock was not
flat and came rounded at the front and rear, though I would not say it was
completely streamlined.  I think there is a difference in the grove gear and
the gear that Rand initially sold.  I don't know if the same Rand Gear and
brackets is still available.

Orma
Southfield, MI
N110LR celebrating 20 years
Flying, flying and more flying
http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/



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KR> Grove gear

[Bernard Wunder]

On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 22:45:17 -0500
  "Brian Kraut"  wrote:

> Anyone out there that has seen both the Rand and Grove 
>
  I don't know of any other installation
>pictures of the Grove or
> Rand gear anywhere.  Can anyone point me to some more?
> 

Brian,
I have the Grove two-piece gear.  The brackets from Grove 
are around $200, but if you have the newer wing airfoil, 
the standard KR2 brackets won't work.  If you tell them in 
advance they will build the brackets to your specs.  I 
wound up putting on a backing plate.  There are some 
pictures on my web site.  Easy installation ( I did not 
say inexpensive). 
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n2w6/landinggear.html
r/Bernie
Lexington Park, MD
KR2S Builder

KR> Grove gear

[Stephen Jacobs]

There are some pictures on my web site.  Easy installation ( I did not 
say inexpensive).



Hi Bernard

What is the blue plug that is visible on edge of the landing gear leg?

Thanks

Steve J

KR> Grove gear

[Bernard Wunder]

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:14:52 +0200
  "Stephen Jacobs"  wrote:

> What is the blue plug that is visible on edge of the 
>landing gear leg?
> 

For $100 extra Grove will drill the brake hydraulic 
line/passageway (gundrill) through the gear legs...makes 
for a neat setup. The blue plug is the to cap off the 
passageway.  My main concern was to not put a bolt thru 
the drilled out passageway.
r/Bernie
Lexington Park, MD
KR2S Builder

KR> Grove gear

[Dan Heath]

Bernie,

I love that gear and installation. Why did you choose the two piece over the
single piece? 



See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics 

There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building
has expired.

Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC

See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering



You wrote:

There are some pictures on my web site. Easy installation ( I did not

say inexpensive).

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n2w6/landinggear.htmlr/Bernie

KR> Grove gear

[B. Wunder]

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Heath" 
 Why did you choose the two piece over the
> single piece?

For a couple of reasons...to get the wider distance between tires based on
the  handling reports like what Larry F reported with his 8ft separation and
it also replicates what those with the Diehl gear were using/doing that I
had seen.
r/Bernie
Lexington Park, MD
KR2S Builder

KR> Grove gear

[Stephen Jacobs]

For $100 extra Grove will drill the brake hydraulic line/passageway
(gundrill) through the gear legs...makes for a neat setup.

+++

Thanks Bernard.  Never knew about gundrilling before so I had a quick
look around the web - amazing equipment, I am pleased that I now know
about it - thanks.

I presume that they drill the passageways in the flat metal and then
bend the leg to shape.

Steve J

KR> Grove gear

[Wood, Sidney M.]

The brackets for my Diehl tri-gear are tight against the fuselage of my 
standard plans KR-2.  The tire width is 7 ft.  Still building.
Sid Wood, KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville MD USA 
sidney.w...@titan.com



From: "Dan Heath" 
 Why did you choose the two piece over the
> single piece?

For a couple of reasons...to get the wider distance between tires based on
the  handling reports like what Larry F reported with his 8ft separation and
it also replicates what those with the Diehl gear were using/doing that I
had seen.
r/Bernie
Lexington Park, MD
KR2S Builder

KR> Grove gear

[Brian Kraut]

Well, it turns out that Rand Robinson no longer sells the one piece spring
bar gear that fits in the existing retract mounting bolt holes.  Apparently,
they had to be bought ten at a time, prices have gone way up, and the guy
that used to make them has died.  Looks like I am back to getting the Grove
one piece gear.  Would anyone happen to have a set for sale before I go and
order them?  Contact me at br...@engalt.com.

Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com

KR>Grove gear

[aviationm...@aol.com]

Help me out Netters,  I made the switch to a fixed gear around "91" My gear 
came from Jeanette, I looked at the Grove gear and it looks similar, is it the 
same or is it different.  

Orma AKA AviationMech
KR-2 N110LR
1984 to Present
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KR>Grove gear

[David Mullins]

Orma,

I talked to Jeanette at the last gathering. In that conversation 
she stated that the gear she offered was made by Grove. Robbie 
Grove started offering them for the KR directly a few years later.

Dave Mullins
Nashua, New Hampshire




aviationm...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Help me out Netters,  I made the switch to a fixed gear around "91" My gear
> came from Jeanette, I looked at the Grove gear and it looks similar, is it the
> same or is it different.
> 
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KR>Grove gear for the KR is at http://www.groveaircraft.com/kr2.html . It looks like it's gone up to $770 recently

[Dan Heath]

 I would go with the single piece because it will give you "little to no"
alignment problems.  Also, get it "gun drilled".

N64KR

Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC

da...@kr-builder.org

See you in Red Oak - 2003

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See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org

KR>Grove gear for the KR is at http://www.groveaircraft.com/kr2.html . It looks like it's gone up to $770recently

[Kenneth L Wiltrout]

I've got the Diehl variety landing gear and it works very well,.With the
one piece designs I would think you'd need to fair in the cross section
under the aircraft. I do agree that wheel alignment will be easier since
most of the work is completed coming out of the box since both side will
be in alignment. With the Diehl design I couldn't believe how they wanted
to route the cables around the gear legs, if anything seemed unsafe that
was it.
I went directly through the gear legs and thus no bends.




On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 08:45:46 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) "Dan Heath"
 writes:
>  I would go with the single piece because it will give you "little to 
> no"
> alignment problems.  Also, get it "gun drilled".

>  

> N64KR

>  

> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC

>  

> da...@kr-builder.org

>  

> See you in Red Oak - 2003

>  

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> See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org

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> see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
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