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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle disallows to translate [Runtime]

2017-06-15 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 14 June 2017 at 10:42, Olivier Hallot 
wrote:

> Hi Jean-Baptiste
>
> Em 14/06/2017 03:03, Jean-Baptiste Faure escreveu:
> > Hi,
> >
> > For example in each string like bnHLi or u3nsA (Option VBASupport
> > Statement [Runtime]), Pootle does not accept I translate [Runtime]
> > ([Exécution] in French).
> > If I translate this file sbasic/shared.po offline, I guess I will have a
> > lot of false positive errors in Pootle.
> >
> > What can I do to fix that ?
> >
> > Best regards.
> > JBF
> >
> Is it because "[Runtime]" is seen as a placeholder? If affirmative, you
> may silence it by clicking on the red (-) sign in the top right of the
> string area. False positives are very frequent in pootle+LibreOffice.
>

We really do like eliminating false positives, specifically the critical
(red) ones.  Too many false positives and people ignore tests.

It might be worth reviewing this data
https://github.com/translate/translate/blob/master/translate/filters/checks.py#L1992-L1995
as I'm not familiar anymore as to which variable styles are relevant now
that LibreOffice uses PO files.  Eliminating `("[", "]")` might eliminate a
whole class of false positive variable warnings.

Also please let us know if checks don't apply to your language, e.g.
accelerators. Or if they ned to behave differently, quoting.  And we have
some examples of Romanian checks so you are able to create custom language
specific checks (if you can code in Python).

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Really 8,000 words more for Master%

2017-04-18 Thread Dwayne Bailey

Hi All,

I'm jumping on behalf of the Pootle developers, as we seem to have multiple
threads and issues happening at once, and not all of them actually relate
to Pootle:

1. Everything going fuzzy/untranslated because of context change.  I agree
I wouldn't like this as a translator especially if these are just string
moves.  There are ways to script such things in the PO files to prevent
them being loaded as fuzzy. We're reaching out to the TDF l10n team to see
how we can help in future and to see if we can't clean this up for the
current change.

2. Some strings being removed from PO but still showing on Pootle, we're
investigating how this might have happened.  We've done extensive testing
in this area so we're surprised this is happening but will look at the
factors.  TDF server is large so it does take some time to update.

3. Uploads.  Please let us know when these happen, it often it a matter of
tuning the upload size and timeout but hearing after the fact doesn't help
us.  Let us know straight away please.  At the moment I expect uploads to
be difficult because of the initialisation of new PO files on the server.
Waiting till that is complete will likely be a better option.

Trust that helps give some clarity.  And I trust give some clarity as to
where Pootle is involved in this process.



On 14 April 2017 at 12:04, Baurzhan Muftakhidinov 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> BTW when I try to upload large file, I always get 504 gateway timeout
> error,
> I used formula/source/core/resource.po file in Kazakh (kk) version.
> In fact this PO does not require translation, I just copied the
> messages to translations,
> since those are all formulas.
> But now I am unable to upload it to Pootle,
>
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 11:33 PM, Sophia Schroeder
>  wrote:
> > I am Sophia(S), not Sophie Gautier,
> >
> > I hope you don't confuse us two. ;-)
> >
> > And I am relatively new and maybe overenthusiastic here with my
> contribution part.
> > I was lurking around OOo / LO since beginning.
> >
> >> Michael Bauer  hat am 13. April 2017 um 20:21
> geschrieben:
> >>
> >> Hi Sophie,
> >>
> >> I know, sorry if you felt this was aimed at you - it wasn't -
> though I am quite certain your assessment was correct, which is why I
> "replied" to your post. It was aimed at whoever is letting this happen
> again and again and again. This has been a complaint for as long as I can
> remember on LO and I'm somewhere between gutted and furious that it's still
> happening. Sure, maybe a locale like German or French has the translators
> to throw at another 28k of work that was already done but most locales
> aren't that fortunate. Take Uyghur, it was at 97% when OO and LO split.
> There hasn't been much translation activity in this locale in both OO and
> LO since and there haven't been *that* many genuinely new strings in LO
> actually but that has left Uyghur on 61% and if I click through the strings
> on Uyghur, it's one 100% match after the other.
> >>
> >> Yes, this is an angry post (not angry at Sophia) but before someone
> slaps me down for being angry, maybe ask yourself at which point getting
> angry is justified in a FOSS project when someone somewhere for some arcane
> reason keeps wasting your lifetime as if it didn't matter. Do we really
> want to burn out localizers like they were a dime a dozen?
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >> Sgrìobh Sophia Schroeder na leanas 13/04/2017 aig 19:05:
> >>
> >> > >
> >> > Hi Michael, *
> >> >
> >> > I am the wrong person to give you proper answers. Am just a
> translator like you.
> >> >
> >> > I just wrote from my personal POV and vague knowledge from
> what I'm getting.
> >> >
> >> > Christian Lohmaier is the right reference person for such
> things.
> >> >
> >> > So look at his mails about this issues. :-)
> >> >
> >> > > --
> >> Akerbeltz http://www.faclair.com/
> >> Goireasan Gàidhlig air an lìon
> >> Fòn: +44-141-946 4437
> >> Facs: +44-141-945 2701
> >>
> >> Tha Gàidhlig aig a' choimpiutair agad, siuthad, feuch e!
> >> Iomadh rud eadar prògraman oifis, brabhsairean, predictive texting,
> >> geamannan is mòran a bharrachd. Tadhail oirnn aig www.iGàidhlig.net
>  http://www.iGaidhlig.net/
> >>
> >
> >
> > Regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
> > Sophia Schroeder
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle Interface Language

2017-02-22 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 21 February 2017 at 20:15, Rhoslyn Prys  wrote:

> I've noticed today that the interface language in my pages of Pootle has
> changed. Previously I had it in Welsh but now it's in English. How can I
> change it back?


I think we might have missed compiling the translations when we deployed
the new server.  I've compiled the released languages and checked and Welsh
seems to be working well.

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[libreoffice-l10n] Pootle server almost live

2017-02-15 Thread Dwayne Bailey

Hi,

We worked late into last night and have the server up and running.  We'll
be testing with the LibreOffice l10n leads to make sure everything is good
before going live.  Myself and Ryan also have a few snags to fix and test
as this has moved onto new hardware.

We're pretty confident that we will go live today and will let you know as
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle downtime

2017-02-14 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 14 February 2017 at 14:43, Takeshi Abe  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Tue, 14 Feb 2017 14:45:11 +0100, Sophie 
> wrote:
> > During Fosdem meeting, Dwayne said that we are by far the biggest
> > database to manage. The fact that we have met a problem on KVM/QEMU was
> > also not expected. We have learn for the next migration that an isolated
> > test case on a VM will be the way to go.
> > For the moment, Dwayne's team has prepared a manual migration, I'm
> > waiting for their feedback to know for how long we will still have to
> wait.
> I would like to thank Dwayne and co for handling the issue under pressure.
> Downtime always reminds me that their effort is significant for us
> localizers.
>
> At the same time it would be useful to have report from the front line
> communicating details in a transparent way. For example, regular e.g. daily
> status updates about what's going on may help people understand the
> situation
> better.
>
>
As requested some news from the front line.

Firstly, as the people who create Pootle and are passionate about
localisation, our apologies for this downtime.

The TDF server itself is large, certainly the largest instance we have
seen.  This has brought it into a data realm that needed some new
approaches to migrations.

The Pootle team has been working hard to get the LO Pootle server
operational again, working closely with the LO team at both a code and ops
level.

So again we apologise for the downtime.  We expect the new server to be
faster.

Once the dust has cleared we will debrief with the LO ops and work out a
plan that will limit future downtime.

I hope that my next email will point to the live server.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle super slow

2016-12-06 Thread Dwayne Bailey

Hi All,

A quick heads up from the Pootle developers.

We're busy testing the migration of the current Pootle database to our
latest codebase.

This brings with it a number of improvements, most importantly speed, lots
of it.  LibreOffice os by far the biggest sized Pootle server we have out
there and we've been optimising many of the code paths.  The template
update should also be faster and have less impact.

So currently we're doing the test migrations and we hope to deploy
relatively soon.

Thanks for your patience and I'm sure you'll experience something lightning
fast in a few days time.

On 5 December 2016 at 20:15, Anton Meixome  wrote:

> Me too,
>
> I'm feeling so fisherman.. string by string
>
> :-)
>
> 2016-12-05 7:39 GMT+01:00 Cheng-Chia Tseng :
> > Valter Mura  於 2016年12月5日 週一 上午2:37寫道：
> >
> >> Il 04/12/2016 18:04, Giovanni Caligaris ha scritto:
> >> > Anyone having the same issue?
> >> >
> >> > I can bearly do any work.
> >> >
> >> > -Gio
> >> >
> >> Hi Giovanni
> >>
> >> I agree with you and Leif.
> >>
> >>
> > Extremely slow and unbearable.
> > Offline translation works and saves more time, but uploading fails on
> some
> > specific  po files. :S
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Terminology

2016-06-22 Thread Dwayne Bailey

Hi Mihovil,

The version of Pootle running at LibreOffice, doesn't allow Terminology
files to be downloaded.  The version we'll release in a few weeks, 2.8.0,
does.

On 21 June 2016 at 12:01, Mihovil Stanić  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I can't download terminology file for HR.
>
> ERROR: A server error has occurred. Thank you for your patience.
>
> Exception: Cannot serialize terminology stores
>
> Best regards,
> Mihovil
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] How to get the correct path to ui file

2016-05-23 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 21 May 2016 at 08:34, Usama Akkad  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've recently installed Glade, I've an issue in the Pootle interface
> that it does not give the path to the ui file.
>
> In the Wiki example [1] there is a sample link to this path:
> /opt/libreofficedev4.2/share/config/soffice.cfg/cui/ui/pageformatpage.ui
>
> but for other strings I was translating I've to search for google to
> find the path of the file which was this:
>
> /opt/libreofficedev5.2/share/config/soffice.cfg/modules/swriter/ui/dropcapspage.ui
>
> so any way to have Pootle to display clearer informations about the file
> path? maybe even an online copy of the file if that could work.
>

Have a look at this URL
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/en_ZA/libo_ui/translate/sw/uiconfig/swriter/ui.po#search=dropcapspage.ui=source,target,locations

Pootle is able to display the location comments present in the PO files
produced for localisation of LibreOffice.  The part that is exposed is only
the .ui filename, not the full path.

So best bet I can see for you is to simply search for the .ui file you want
to test and you will find the correct .po file that you should be working
with.  You can safely download that file for offline testing.

The other option is for the LibreOffice PO creation tools to create a
better comment for the path, but I suspect with the above you should be
able to get what you wanted quite quickly.



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> Usama
>
>
> 1. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Translating_LibreOffice
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle busy ?

2015-08-26 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 25 August 2015 at 16:03, Sveinn í Felli s...@fellsnet.is wrote:

 Þann þri 25.ágú 2015 14:36, skrifaði Sophie:

 Hi Sveinn
 Le 25/08/2015 16:09, Sveinn í Felli a écrit :

 Hi,

 Is there anyone else experiencing Pootle being busy since this morning ?

 All project pages are constantly refreshing themselves, with a message
 on top:

 Some data on this page is currently being calculated, and the page will
 be refreshed automatically in $ second. Refresh now


 Copying Cloph yesterday's answer ;)
 --
 Should stop by itself... The python brackets test has been disabled
 on the libreoffice project, to avoid false positives from that string
 - we're not using python style string replacements, so {foo} has no
 special meaning/doesn't have to be the same.

 So the system now is refreshing the stats.

 It doesn't hinder you from doing translations, does it? Only the
 summary  screens should be affected, not the translation  view.


 Actually, yes it does; I'm one of the curious breed which prefer doing
 translations offline, with my tools of choice. During this phase, neither
 uploading or downloading files are on offer ;-(


They actually are on offer (just tested).  It's just the the automatic
reload of the page doesn't allow time for the download or upload to
complete.  As a work around for now, please choose a smaller subset for
your offline work.

Having said that.  This refresh has taken way too long and I'll investigate
what has happened here.


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] bug in pootle: Copy into translation

2015-08-21 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 21 August 2015 at 08:45, Milos Sramek sramek.mi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I think there is a bug in pootle. I display translation to several
 languages and every now and then copy translation from some language to
 my translation box by clickung the + button ( Copy into translation)
 placed right to it.
 Yesterday I've noticed that this always copies the English text, not the
 one I want.


Hi,

We're aware of this one and it's already fixed
https://github.com/translate/pootle/issues/3927 we're scheduling a LO
Pootle upgrade and this fix will land with that.


 Where to announce this?


You can always report bugs here or, to make it easier for the Pootle devs,
here https://github.com/translate/pootle/issues/new

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] copy function [+] problem in pootle

2015-08-13 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 13 August 2015 at 06:59, Veneto ABC veneto@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everybody!
 From last update to the Pootle server (about one month ago) my group of
 Venetian localization have noticed some problems with the Pootle platform:
 - first: we translate in Venetian from two languages, English and Italian,
 and when we click over + symbol to copy text in Italian language, the text
 copied is in English language!


Indeed we spotted that a few days ago and its fixed
https://github.com/translate/pootle/issues/3927 so will appear when we next
update Pootle for LibreOffice.


 - second: the tips (in yellow fields), under the text field where inert
 translation, often are not coherent with context of translation.
 Someone have noticed the same problem?


I think you mean the Translation Memory results?  If I'm correct the
concern is that it seems to be very generous in what it suggests?  We have
another related issue that it seems to sometimes misses 100% matches.

We're using a different Translation Memory engine to provide local TM and
I'm still investigating these two side effect.  It uses Levenshtein
Distance as we did previously but somehow the search is not a rigerous and
much more accepting of distances.

Issues are:
https://github.com/translate/pootle/issues/3872
https://github.com/translate/pootle/issues/3971


 Thank you for your attention and good summer holidays to all :-)


Thanks for the reports.  Note that you can also report such issues directly
against the Pootle project via
https://github.com/translate/pootle/issues/new which makes sure these
issues don't get lost.

But I do pick up issue here that are brought up.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Can't download Terminology from Pootle

2015-08-01 Thread Dwayne Bailey

I'll need to have a look when I'm back from a weeks holiday.  I'm not 100%
sure what I can do, but I need some time to figure it out.

On 31 July 2015 at 22:35, Giovanni Caligaris giovannicaliga...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I think it's a great idea too.

 I wanted to download the pootle-terminology.po since it is the first
 Guarani IT Dictionary/Terminology list. I wanted to show it to some
 people here and so on.

 Is there any way that it can be sent to my email at all?

 Cheers

 On 31/07/15 10:47, Olivier Hallot wrote:

 Hi Dwayne

 On 31/07/2015 10:31, Dwayne Bailey wrote:

 On another note.  I really think we should build a LibreOffice specific
 terminology files instead of the various custom extracted files that
 exist
 at the moment.  What do you think? And others?

 Makes perfect sense. Also since LibreOffice has a very wide range of
 application, some terms in one application transtales differently (e.g.
 outline in Calc, outline in Writer, outline in graphics, etc...), so it
 may be interesitng to tag accordingly.



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Branch for LO 5.0 and lack of access to some PO files

2015-08-01 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 1 August 2015 at 07:18, Mateusz Zasuwik mzasu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Howdy

 I am playing catch up with translations for 5.0 branch, but there is not in
 Pootle proper branch. I am working with LibreOffice master, so I hope my
 choose is correct. Could anyone confirms my assumptions?

 By search tool I found some strings I can't translate. Are those old,
 untranslated strings?


If you aren't aabuchba then you likely don't have rights.  Or you aren't
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Can't download Terminology from Pootle

2015-07-31 Thread Dwayne Bailey

Hi Gio,

Downloading autogenerated terminology files, notably those labled
pootle-terminology.po, is not possible. You'll need to translate those
online.

On another note. I really think we should build a LibreOffice specific
terminology files instead of the various custom extracted files that exist
at the moment. What do you think? And others?

On 30 July 2015 at 12:19, Giovanni Caligaris giovannicaliga...@gmail.com
wrote:

Oops, I am very sorry. I accidently sent this from a different email. I'm
using Thunderbird and I guess I got my emails mixed up.

Sorry

On 29/07/15 22:34, thelookouts wrote:

Hello

I am not sure if others are having this issue. But I can't seem to be
able to download the terminology.po file from Pootle. I've tried many times
today, but it seems just the l10n-gug terminology.po has an error. I have
downloaded the libo44-ui today without a problem.

This is the error I'm getting

https://translations.documentfoundation.org/export/?path=/gug/terminology/pootle-terminology.po

Server Error
A server error has occurred. Thank you for your patience.
Exception: Cannot serialize terminology stores

Thank you

-Gio

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Error during uploading a file in Pootle

2015-06-19 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 18 June 2015 at 20:59, Valter Mura valterm...@libreoffice.org wrote:

 Hi All

 when trying to upload a file in Pootle, I get this error:

 File u'01.po' missing X-Pootle-Path header

 I've always uploaded files that I translate with the software Lokalize.

 The files I'm trying to upload are the same masters from the old Pootle
 site/version

 Which change has been done with the upgrade?

 I noticed these 2 new strings inside the file:

 X-Pootle-Path: /it/libo_help/sbasic/shared/01.po\n
 X-Pootle-Revision: 0\n

 I suppose they are checking strings, aren't they?


Yes, those two items are used as following:

The Path to make sure we upload the file to the correct place, you'll
notice we don't ask you for that anymore.

The Revision that allows us to detect if anything changed while you were
offline.  For now if any unit changes your upload is rejected and we leave
it to you to download and merge those files.  Our next iteration will add a
bit more smarts and merge correctly as needed (since we track revision per
string we should be able to do this better than before).

Hope that clarifies the items

The reason you are being bounced is that the files you have are from the
old Pootle thus won't have those entries in them.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] error opening the project after downloading

2015-06-19 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 18 June 2015 at 21:47, Valter Mura valterm...@libreoffice.org wrote:



 Il 18/06/2015 22:11, Valter Mura ha scritto:



 Il 16/06/2015 13:26, Sophie ha scritto:

 Hi all,

 Good news and thanks to Dwayne's hard work, the migration is done and
 Pootle is running on a new server. You can now reach it on the same
 address as usual:
 https://translations.documentfoundation.org/

 There is an error remaining: anyone with duplicate emails won't be able
 to login. If it's your case, please report to this list and mention the
 mail address we have to delete.

 Please report any other issue you may encounter on this list.
 Thanks to all for your patience, and thanks a lot to Dwayne too.

 Cheers
 Sophie

 Now, if I download the entire project, for example the help, I get the
 zip file. I extract it and put in the usual folder I use in translation.
 Lokalize DO NOT recognize the folder and cannot open single files (I get
 an error present in row 3 in the file). Nor I cannot open them with Kate
 editor (it says there is an error with the file encoding).

 I've never observed such an error. Please help, I usually work offline.

 Ciao

  BTW, if I download single files, I don't have this behaviour. It seems
 like something wrong while creating the zip-file???


Could you please report and issue here
https://github.com/translate/pootle/issues/new where you can explain
exactly where and how you got the zip.  It would also be helpful if you can
upload the Zip somewhere for us to look at.  Thanks.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle: ongoing Server Error

2015-06-19 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 19 June 2015 at 15:47, Christian Kühl ku...@libreoffice.org wrote:

 Hi Christian!

 Am 17.06.2015 um 13:47 schrieb Christian Lohmaier:

 Hi Christian, *,

 On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Christian Kühl
 ku...@libreoffice.org wrote:


 I can't work with the new Pootle server because of Server Error
 on all relevant actions. [...] Please can anyone have a look at it,
 if anything is misconfigured/wrong migrated in my profile, because
 it seems that I'm the only one who has this problems.

 Username: Kü


 Dwayne (one of the pootle developers) has a fix for the problem (but
 that still needs to be rolled out to our instance) for the
 translation part - still needs to look into the settings thing
 though.


 Info to the list: The problem was, that my user name contains special
 characters, but the bug was fixed now.

 Thanks a lot to Dwayne for fixing my problem (and Christian Lohmaier for
 communicating this), I now can continue my work on pootle.


Just wanted to check.  I know the issue with suggestions and such is
fixed.  But do you still have a problem accessing your settings? I seemed
to see an earlier error but can't find it now.  Please let me know if that
is still an issue and Ill look into it.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] New Pootle: missing terminology

2015-06-19 Thread Dwayne Bailey

Hi,

Terminology should still be operating as normal.

Did some investigation and found the cause, won't bore you with the details
but as you can see here
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/eo/libo_ui/translate/cui/source/options.po#unit=79605663
it's now working and should be for you also.

On 19 June 2015 at 19:37, Giovanni Caligaris giovannicaliga...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I have the same problem

 -Gio


 On 19/06/15 11:31, Stanislav Horáček wrote:

 Hi all,

 it seems that the new Pootle is a big step forward (I like esp. that
 quality checks are emphasized, new TM is also a must-have) - thanks!
 However, now I cannot see terminology items that used to be shown in the
 left part and that are really useful to keep the translation consistent. Am
 I missing any setting, or is this an issue of Pootle?

 Thanks in advance,
 Stanislav




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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Where is Venetian project?

2015-06-17 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 17 June 2015 at 09:51, Mihkel Tõnnov mihh...@gmail.com wrote:

 2015-06-17 2:00 GMT+03:00 Adolfo Jayme Barrientos f...@libreoffice.org:

  2015-06-16 14:40 GMT-05:00 Rimas Kudelis r...@akl.lt:
   I wouldn't call this weird. I guess Dwayne and his team just decided it
   makes more sense for Pootle to do this. I'd guess most localizers only
   work on one language, so redirecting to that language automatically
   makes sense.
 
  Indeed, that is a feature of the new Pootle version. And it’s *not*
  like this Pootle is locking you out of visiting other languages’
  landing pages: there is a pretty language switcher up there.
 

 Except that Venetian isn't shown in that pretty language switcher for
 some reason ;)


First, lets deal with the issue.  Venetian was there, but also not!  Before
I found the cause I managed to find the workaround by simply resaving the
language.  Its now available, sadly I don't know why it ever was
unavailable.  I'll try figure out why, but for now its fixed and I don't
expect it to disappear.

Secondly, the other issue in this thread, Pootle now tries to remember what
language you are working on. As people here echo, its the best plan for the
majority of users as most people work on one language.  So this just works
and will redirect you to your language when you login.  Its not completely
omniscient and will remember your last language.  So like me if you visit
multiple languages it does mean that now I'm redirected to Venetian.

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[libreoffice-l10n] Pootle migration begins 8/6/2015 at 1400UTC

2015-06-08 Thread Dwayne Bailey

Hi Everyone,

As announced previously we're commencing the Pootle migration today, 8 June
2015.

Just to make sure that nobody is caught in the middle of this I'm going to
leave the old server online until 1400UTC, that is about 2 hours time.
After which I will take the server offline so that nobody is able to work
on thus ensuring that nobody loses any work.

Please block out 2-3 days for this migration, though we expect it may be
quicker (the database migrations themselves take about 18-24 hours to
complete).  After this we will open the server for active work.  The old
server will remain on standby in case we have to revert.

Thanks for your patience.  We'll see you at the other side.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle test server - you absolutely must try to login

2015-06-05 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 5 June 2015 at 14:40, Dwayne Bailey dwa...@translate.org.za wrote:

On 5 June 2015 at 00:20, அருண் குமார் - Arun Kumar
thangam.ar...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Dwayne/Sophie,

2015-06-04 19:40 GMT+08:00 Dwayne Bailey dwa...@translate.org.za:

Hi All,

Thanks so much for the testing so far. The server has proved quite
robust
and we've fixed a few issues.

We've made one last change which is an improvement to the login system.
It's quite a large change and ideally we'd like to know what problems we
face before we migrate next week.

So if you currently have a login on the current Pootle server please try
login on the new one. We expect some problems and we'd like to fix then
on
the current Pootle server if possible first.

Note:

1. Require email validation - the new server requires email
validation,
we'd like to know that that works correctly.
2. Only one email - you can only have one account linked to one email
address in our current setup. If you have duplicates we'd like to
clean
those up in the old server.

So please one last round of testing to exercise the login system.

Thanks. And thanks to all those who've tested and confirmed.

1. Most Contributor Feature MISSING
On the Language Dashboard, in previous version of pootle, We can see the
most contributor of projects as a summary like below. It is really required
for the team to understand who contributed mostly :-)

Yes we removed that feature. We can see more detailed contributions by
each user now but we're still working on bringing back a language view of
contributions. We think we can do much better than the old contributor list
which is why we've let it go.

Most Contributor
Suggestions Reviews Submissions
shunmugachamyv
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/accounts/shunmugachamyv/
1370 tamiliam
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/accounts/tamiliam/ 1402
thangamaniarun
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/accounts/thangamaniarun/
12379 unknown 116 shunmugachamyv
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/accounts/shunmugachamyv/
1154 tamiliam
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/accounts/tamiliam/ 11427
kavinyar89
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/accounts/kavinyar89/ 64
thangamaniarun
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/accounts/thangamaniarun/
266 shkumar
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/accounts/shkumar/ 1883
priyanarayan
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/accounts/priyanarayan/ 53
iamk_karthik
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/accounts/iamk_karthik/ 31
shunmugachamyv
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/accounts/shunmugachamyv/
439 elanttamil
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/accounts/elanttamil/ 44
priyanarayan
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/accounts/priyanarayan/ 1
unknown 203

Kindly review my request, reply with your comments.

2. Language Specific Instructions are shown as ?? instead of Tamil
letters. Please verify it.
@ https://translations-test.documentfoundation.org/ta/android/ta.po

Correct. The migration had some issues related to database encodings.
We'll fix that when we do the real migration. So don't worry we're aware
of it. I just didn't want to have to remigrate to fix that issue for
testing.

Thanks
Arun

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle test server - you absolutely must try to login

2015-06-05 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 5 June 2015 at 00:20, அருண் குமார் - Arun Kumar thangam.ar...@gmail.com
wrote:

Hi Dwayne/Sophie,

2015-06-04 19:40 GMT+08:00 Dwayne Bailey dwa...@translate.org.za:

Hi All,

Thanks so much for the testing so far. The server has proved quite robust
and we've fixed a few issues.

We've made one last change which is an improvement to the login system.
It's quite a large change and ideally we'd like to know what problems we
face before we migrate next week.

So if you currently have a login on the current Pootle server please try
login on the new one. We expect some problems and we'd like to fix then
on
the current Pootle server if possible first.

Note:

1. Require email validation - the new server requires email validation,
we'd like to know that that works correctly.
2. Only one email - you can only have one account linked to one email
address in our current setup. If you have duplicates we'd like to
clean
those up in the old server.

So please one last round of testing to exercise the login system.

Thanks. And thanks to all those who've tested and confirmed.

Kindly review my request, reply with your comments.

2. Language Specific Instructions are shown as ?? instead of Tamil
letters. Please verify it.
@ https://translations-test.documentfoundation.org/ta/android/ta.po

Thanks
Arun

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[libreoffice-l10n] Pootle test server - you absolutely must try to login

2015-06-04 Thread Dwayne Bailey

Hi All,

Thanks so much for the testing so far.  The server has proved quite robust
and we've fixed a few issues.

We've made one last change which is an improvement to the login system.
It's quite a large change and ideally we'd like to know what problems we
face before we migrate next week.

So if you currently have a login on the current Pootle server please try
login on the new one.  We expect some problems and we'd like to fix then on
the current Pootle server if possible first.

Note:

   1. Require email validation - the new server requires email validation,
   we'd like to know that that works correctly.
   2. Only one email - you can only have one account linked to one email
   address in our current setup.  If you have duplicates we'd like to clean
   those up in the old server.

So please one last round of testing to exercise the login system.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] New Pootle Critical errors

2015-05-31 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 30 May 2015 at 17:59, Kolbjørn Stuestøl kolbjo...@stuestoel.no wrote:

 Den 30.05.2015 14:36, Dwayne Bailey skreiv:

 On 30 May 2015 at 12:51, Kolbjørn Stuestøl kolbjo...@stuestoel.no
 mailto:kolbjo...@stuestoel.no wrote:



 If I insert the quotation marks « and » ( instead of the  and ),
 press Send and then open it again, it is opened with the error
 message Double quotes and the Send button is grayed out.


 So quote are not critical.  Pootle has actually accepted the unit but
 warned that your quotes are different.

 Which raises another issue.  We build rules for languages to take into
 consideration their specific quoting styles. This reduces false positives
 on quotes.

 If you can let me know for nn what the quoting style is then I can add
 that.

 For Norwegian bokmål (language code nb) and nynorsk (nn) the recommended
 quotes are
 At start « (Unicode hex 00AB); at end » (Unicode hex 00BB).


I'll add these thanks.


 I do not think we needs the quote in quote characters neither the quotes
 in quotes in quotes.
 Is it possible to use the quote tag and let LibreOffice translate it
 to the language used?


The quotes check will not prevent you from submitting a unit.  It is simply
a warning to pick up possible issues.  So do what is needed for your
language, don't try make Pootle happy.  Critical errors are different,
those relate will be Placeables and XML related.

I realise we're exposing stylistic checks but showing them in red, I'll see
how we can fix that and am tracking it here
https://github.com/translate/pootle/issues/3776

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] New Pootle Critical errors

2015-05-31 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 31 May 2015 at 19:01, Kolbjørn Stuestøl kolbjo...@stuestoel.no wrote:

 Den 30.05.2015 15:13, Andras Timar skreiv:

 [XXX] are placeholders in Mac and Windows installer files but not
 anywhere else. Nothing changed in this regard in LibreOffice. In help
 there are two placeholders really, $[officename] and %PRODUCTNAME.
 [Runtime] is not a placeholder, it is just a word in brackets.
 Unfortunately there is no unified placeholder style across the whole
 codebase. But all are the same as in Openoffice.org.

 Is there a way to tell Pootle that [Runtime] and other words in square
 brackets are not placeholders except for $[Officename]?
 Or perhaps that $[Officename] and %PRODUCTNAME are the only ones?

 I do know nothing about programming Pootle so perhaps this is silly
 questions.


No not a silly question.

My one option is to look at a checker class for LibreOffice help vs UI.
That would allow us to switch some things on/off just for docs.  To be
honest I might just want to remove the [var] style variables or look at
limiting them to the actual files in which those occur.

But I'll want to do that after the delpyment.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] New Pootle Critical errors

2015-05-30 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 30 May 2015 at 14:13, Andras Timar tima...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Dwayne Bailey dwa...@translate.org.za
 wrote:
 
  I need some help here.  For OpenOffice.org [XXX] was used as a variable
 in
  some files.  With the change to use PO directly in LibreOffice I'm not
 sure
  if that has changed.  In fact if someone has an idea of the correct
  variable styles for LO across the project I can likely remove some
  redundant ones.

 [XXX] are placeholders in Mac and Windows installer files but not
 anywhere else. Nothing changed in this regard in LibreOffice. In help
 there are two placeholders really, $[officename] and %PRODUCTNAME.
 [Runtime] is not a placeholder, it is just a word in brackets.
 Unfortunately there is no unified placeholder style across the whole
 codebase. But all are the same as in Openoffice.org.


Thanks.  I won't try improve that just yet :)


 Out of interest, does new Pootle have the Invalid XML check? That is
 the most useful IMHO (for help).


It is installed and enabled on Pootle.  But I don't see it being exposed to
users.  So I'll need to investigate that.


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] New Pootle Critical errors

2015-05-30 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 30 May 2015 at 12:51, Kolbjørn Stuestøl kolbjo...@stuestoel.no wrote:

 The new version looks fine but I do have problems with the Critical
 errors.
 Some examples:
 When translating a plain text, for example Print Preview Bar and
 inserting XML tags (Print emphPreview Bar/emph) in the translated
 text I get an error. Error message: XML tags.


Ideally, please point to a specific unit, you can get the permalink from
the unit number at the end of the breadcrumbs for the unit you are editing.

Also note.  The checks have not changed.  The editor has changed in that it
prevents a Critical failure from being submitted to Pootle.  The logic is
that we want to stop breakages much much earlier in the process.

Now the check is right (the check is also dumb).  There is no emph in the
source, so it assume that you've likely broken something.  Its XML and thus
its risky.

Because you know better you can click on the Mute symbol. The small (-)
after the check name.  If a check is muted it means you've signaled that it
is a false positive and Pootle should ignore it for that unit.


 If I insert the quotation marks « and » ( instead of the  and ), press
 Send and then open it again, it is opened with the error message Double
 quotes and the Send button is grayed out.


So quote are not critical.  Pootle has actually accepted the unit but
warned that your quotes are different.

Which raises another issue.  We build rules for languages to take into
consideration their specific quoting styles. This reduces false positives
on quotes.

If you can let me know for nn what the quoting style is then I can add that.



 Translating Print Statement [Runtime] to Print-uttrykk [køyretid]
 returns the error Placeholders. Inserting the original text into my
 translation using the + button or by copy and paste, pressing Send works as
 normal. Changing my text to Print-uttrykk [Rundtime] it is accepted, but
 Print-uttrykk or, as mentioned above, Print-uttrykk [køyretid] is not.
 Error message: Placeholders.


Yip false positive again.

I need some help here.  For OpenOffice.org [XXX] was used as a variable in
some files.  With the change to use PO directly in LibreOffice I'm not sure
if that has changed.  In fact if someone has an idea of the correct
variable styles for LO across the project I can likely remove some
redundant ones.



 Tried on LibreOffice 4.4 - Help. Windows 7. Norwegian nynorsk (nn)
 translation.


Thanks for the testing.



 Kolbjørn

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Testing new Pootle version

2015-05-29 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 27 May 2015 at 08:25, Joan Montané j...@montane.cat wrote:

 2015-05-27 9:16 GMT+02:00 Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com:

  Hi all,
 
  If you have some time to test the new Pootle instance,it's here:
  https://translations-test.documentfoundation.org/
 
 
 Hi Sophie,

 I'm unable to login.  I've reset my password, but I cann't log in new
 Pootle server, :(


If you have a login on the current server that's older than 1-2month then
you should be able to login, with the same password.

Can you maybe elaborate exactly what you did and what didn't work i.e. the
actual steps you took to get there.  We can do it via private email to keep
the thread on topic.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Testing new Pootle version

2015-05-29 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 29 May 2015 at 09:35, Jihui Choi jihui.c...@gmail.com wrote:

 hello, all.

 There's a small ui bug.

 after clicking Top menu, it is moved up a little bit on Chrome 44.
 (no problems on firefox 38 and IE 11)

 see this.
 https://goo.gl/photos/vjhS6J6bzusJydeQA


Thanks for reporting.  We've got an issues tracking that already
https://github.com/translate/pootle/issues/3707

You might want to give some input there as we don't seem to be able to
reproduce with newer versions of Chrome and it would be nice to know which
version of Chrome you are using when seeing this issue.






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 On 27 May 2015 at 08:25, Joan Montané j...@montane.cat wrote:

  2015-05-27 9:16 GMT+02:00 Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com:
 
   Hi all,
  
   If you have some time to test the new Pootle instance,it's here:
   https://translations-test.documentfoundation.org/
  
  
  Hi Sophie,
 
  I'm unable to login.  I've reset my password, but I cann't log in new
  Pootle server, :(
 

 If you have a login on the current server that's older than 1-2month then
 you should be able to login, with the same password.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Installing B-Translator

2012-07-13 Thread Dwayne Bailey


Hi Chris and Dashamir,

As a Pootle dev land LibreOffice contributor let me jump in and address 
some things:


* Pootle is a PO editor - those are its roots.  Pootle exports to PO, 
the models in the tool have moved beyond that.
* Crowdsourcing features - we've had suggestions for a long time, for 
some clients we implemented the ability to vote against suggestions.  
For Mozilla we are integrating a historic view of changes and the 
ability to discuss translations.


I'm sure there are more that people would love to see implemented to 
more closely align to their needs when working with the crowd.


As Chris says pop into #pootle if you'd like.

On 12/07/2012 18:29, Chris Leonard wrote:

Dashohoxha,

You might want to talk to the folks at Pootle if you haven't done so
in a while.  They are in the process of adding commenting and
discussion features to Pootle (even as we speak).

You should drop in on their IRC channel and talk to them about it.
They might be interested in your ideas and you might get a tighter
integration than you had ever imagined, by actually providing input to
their current work.

irc://freenode/pootle

Or reach out the the Pootle devel list

http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/developers/mailing_lists

I think it may be a better approach to getting your ideas put into
production than forking your own system.  just something to consider.

cjl



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This is a frequently asked question: why not Pootle?
How B-Translator is different from Pootle?

The answer is that Pootle is simply an online PO file
editor. With Pootle you cannot have more than one
translation for the same string, and you cannot get
feedback from people which translation is better.

The focus of B-Translator is not only about translating
but also about getting feedback from people. It is
about crowdsourcing translation/localization:
  * http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=TCM7w11Ultk
  * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowdsourcing

Someone can claim that Pootle can be used for
crowdsourcing as well, but I think that it was not
built with this in mind, and B-Translator is an
attempt to do it better (or at least differently).

Can the approach taken by B-Translator work?
I believe it can.
Does it replace Pootle and other localization tools?
Not necessarily, it can integrate with them.

Kind regards,
Dashamir



On 07/09/2012 08:46 PM, Sophie Gautier wrote:

Hi Dashamir,
On 09/07/2012 20:06, Dashamir Hoxha wrote:

More detailed info about the project can be found here:
https://github.com/dashohoxha/B-Translator/blob/master/docs/README.org

My motivation for trying to make easy its installation
is that I need help from other people for developing and
improving the project. However people cannot work on it
unless they can install and test it.


Thanks for your answer. I was wondering why Pootle is not an option for
you, I've read the readme but don't see what it would bring that Pootle
doesn't offer to you already (but I didn't install the product).

Kind regards
Sophie



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle engagement with Mozilla

2012-05-07 Thread Dwayne Bailey


On 04/05/2012 06:22, Rimas Kudelis wrote:

5/3/2012 10:03 PM, Коростіль Данило rašė:

On 05/03/2012 09:55 PM, Rimas Kudelis wrote:


Have you checked ut the beta? 

No. Is it speeded up?



I'd say it is, at least visually. IIRC, much more is done using AJAX 
than in the current version.
Yes it uses AJAX quite a bit, implements TM from a central TM server and 
does quite a lot to consolidate and unify the translation tasks.  Things 
like filtering for certain check failure and finding certain types of 
translations.


A number of sites use the beta version.  But being conservative we 
haven't pushed this out as official.  We'll be actively using the beta 
for the Firefox translations so that we have a controlled environment 
where the devs are actively involved.  And we'll get this out as an 
official release with Mozilla.


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle engagement with Mozilla

2012-05-07 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 06/05/2012 18:21, Cheng-Chia Tseng wrote:

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Olav Dahlumodah...@gmail.com wrote:

2012/5/4 Sveinn í Fellisvei...@nett.is

Þann fim 3.maí 2012 18:37, skrifaði Коростіль Данило:

On 05/03/2012 09:16 PM, Andras Timar wrote:

Hi,

Please read this blog post:

http://translate.org.za/blogs/dwayne/en/content/better-faster-more-lovely-pootle-thanks-mozilla

Let's discuss, if we, the LibreOffice l10n community have
feature or
bugfix requests. If they fit within Mozilla's scope then
with our help
they may be implemented.

Best regards,
Andras

BTW;

Does anyone know about the status of the serious complaint
towards Transifex (and Pootle?) for not keeping the Gettext
headers intact (even replacing them)?

This makes it impossible to keep track of (former)
translators. Some would even say it's a plain violation of
most licenses.

Best regards,
Sveinn í Felli

Examples:
https://github.com/transifex/transifex/issues/16
http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37
and
http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=893

It still strips the headers to my knowledge. Yes, it's clearly in

violation

with the code of conduct for translation work, so fixing this should be a
top priority for their respective developers (some subtle threats to phase
out their solutions in projects might work, as this problem was painfully
obvious back in 2010 as well).

Dimitris Glezos, a Transifex developer replied to Fedora l10n mailinglist
on 6/2/2011:

Since last week, the translation information *is* added on the PO

headers. This information is stored on a resource-language level. A
couple of examples can already be seen live:

https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/transifex/resource/txo/l/pt_BR/download/

https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/anaconda/resource/master/l/zh_CN/download/

The copyright information is created with the following ways:

1. When translating online using the Web Editor, your name is added on the
copyright header. To show your full name you need to define it under your
Transifex Profile page.
2. When uploading a PO file, Transifex will parse the header and try to
find
translator's names. Any names which do not exist in its database, will be
added.

To populate the database with past copyright information, we have created a
script which will add as much information that was found in the Fedora
archives.

You can also manually add copyright information by downloading a PO file,
adding the copyright headers by hand and re-uploading.

In my opinion, I believe Transifex is much convenient for translators to
work with po files within my 2-year-long free software translation
experience.
The easier the tools, the happier the translators are.

By the way, does Poolte list suggestions or search results in numbers per
page instead of giving me one result each time in new versions?
It is so painful for me to find some translated phrases easily or review
translation suggestions these days. :S
The beta does, so yes. Our concern is that you lose the context of the
surrounding strings and in many cases context is the only thing you have
to make sure you choose the right words. So we supply that context as
needed when filtering: search, type of string, check failure.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle engagement with Mozilla

2012-05-07 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 04/05/2012 15:36, Olav Dahlum wrote:

2012/5/4 Sveinn í Fellisvei...@nett.is

Þann fim 3.maí 2012 18:37, skrifaði Коростіль Данило:

On 05/03/2012 09:16 PM, Andras Timar wrote:

Hi,

Please read this blog post:

http://translate.org.za/blogs/dwayne/en/content/better-faster-more-lovely-pootle-thanks-mozilla

Let's discuss, if we, the LibreOffice l10n community have
feature or
bugfix requests. If they fit within Mozilla's scope then
with our help
they may be implemented.

Best regards,
Andras

BTW;

Does anyone know about the status of the serious complaint
towards Transifex (and Pootle?) for not keeping the Gettext
headers intact (even replacing them)?

This makes it impossible to keep track of (former)
translators. Some would even say it's a plain violation of
most licenses.

Best regards,
Sveinn í Felli

Examples:
https://github.com/transifex/transifex/issues/16
http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37
and
http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=893

It still strips the headers to my knowledge. Yes, it's clearly in violation
with the code of conduct for translation work, so fixing this should be a
top priority for their respective developers (some subtle threats to phase
out their solutions in projects might work, as this problem was painfully
obvious back in 2010 as well).
We don't strip anything in fact we've always tried really hard to update
the header and minimise diffs that header updates could cause.

We do in fact try to update the real comment header, as opposed to the
PO header, with translator information so that you have some track
record of when and who translated. Since the PO header is to be quite
honest useless as a track record for historic rights or contributor
information.

Having said that there are many ways to interact with Pootle. Translate
online, upload PO files, overwrite, merge. We could easily be getting
this wrong in the instance or workflow that you follow. So the way to
help us to be a little more specific about what doesn't happen and what
you expect to happen. Showing us the PO files before, after and how
you'd expect it to happen are a great help and save us a load of time
trying to guess.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle engagement with Mozilla

2012-05-07 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 04/05/2012 09:57, leif wrote:

Hi Andras et al,
We in the Danish project uses Pootle on line. I have a few suggestions
to improvements:

* Better search facilities, e.g., regular expressions
This depends on the search backend, but this seems to be a regular theme
here. So thanks for that.

* Ability to search or filter a subset e.g., to see only the latest
updated strings.
Yes we can in beta. The checks, search and state of strings will give
you a subset on which you can work.

* A way to avoid to approve my own translations (thats our overall
rule in the Danish community never to translate and approve by the
same person)
I'd be curious to know how you are doing this now and to think a little
about it. Maybe send me a mail offlist and we can discuss.

* Log or history per string. It would be nice to know who translated,
changed and approved a string.

That's on our scope for the Mozilla work.

Leif Lodahl
The Danish Team

On 03-05-2012 20:16, Andras Timar wrote:

Hi,

Please read this blog post:
http://translate.org.za/blogs/dwayne/en/content/better-faster-more-lovely-pootle-thanks-mozilla

Let's discuss, if we, the LibreOffice l10n community have feature or
bugfix requests. If they fit within Mozilla's scope then with our help
they may be implemented.

Best regards,
Andras

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle engagement with Mozilla

2012-05-07 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 04/05/2012 09:55, khagaroth wrote:

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Andras Timartima...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

Please read this blog post:
http://translate.org.za/blogs/dwayne/en/content/better-faster-more-lovely-pootle-thanks-mozilla

Let's discuss, if we, the LibreOffice l10n community have feature or
bugfix requests. If they fit within Mozilla's scope then with our help
they may be implemented.

Best regards,
Andras

The part that needs most improvement is the search. Right now it's
abysmally bad.

Then it would be nice to have things like suggested fuzzy matches,
We have a Translation Memory server called Amagama giving matches for
almost all FOSS projects: *office, gnome, KDE, etc. Those who translate
offline using Virtaal are already befitting from that. That is
integrated into the next iteration of Pootle.

tag/variable highlighting in the _translation_ not only in the source

Nice, I also want that. Not sure it is on our scope though.

and some more quality checks (especially consistency checks).

We already have a lot of quality checks. By consistency do you mean
something like check that I have translated X as Y consistently? We
have tools for doing that offline, but online in Pootle :(

I'm not sure how many people use the Terminology suggestion feature of
Pootle? That helps a lot of teams maintain consistency.

But back to checks. If you have ideas for reducing false positives, new
checks, or improving checks then please let us know. They are not that
hard to write but even if you can express them in a simple pseudo code
taking source and target text then we can quite easily implement them.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] [ANNOUNCEMENT] LibreOffice 3.5 translations

2011-10-25 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-10-08 11:18, Andras Timar wrote:

Hi,

Some of you have already noticed that LibreOffice 3.5 strings have
been uploaded to Pootle. I migrated 3.4 translations and I did not
only a simple pomigrate2 but I applied a few code changes that did not
affect the translated text but lowered your fuzzy/new word count
significatly. I'll publish the script later today, it's on my other
computer. I will put the current en-US SDF file and pot files online,
too.
Please don't forget to share any of those changes for others who use the 
Translate Toolkit in other project :)  You can add them at 
bugs.locamotion.org.


New feature is the KeyID comment. KeyIDs will help to find strings
seen on the user inteface in Pootle. You can search for them in
Pootle, use the Search field and check Comments checkbox. LibreOffice
3.5 betas will contain the KeyIDs in front of English UI elements.

Also please note that LibreOffice 3.5 is a moving target. There can be
string changes until it freezes in December. I'll update Pootle
regularly, and I'll export translations to git regularly as well.

Let me know, if you have questions.

Thanks,
Andras




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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Localized autocorrect options

2011-08-22 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-08-19 12:30, Andras Timar wrote:

Hi Milos,

2011.08.14. 10:32 keltezéssel, Milos Sramek írta:

Hi,

How can one add new (language specific) autocorrect rules?
(Tools-Autocorrect options.../Localized options)

Different languages have different rules (for example, single letter
words in Slovak must not stay at the end of a line, which seems to be OK
in English) and it would be nice to have an option to specify them.
Currently, just two such rules exist, one for English and One for French.

AutoCorrect rules are implemented in
http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/editeng/source/misc/svxacorr.cxx
I doubt however, that your problem (single letter
words in Slovak must not stay at the end of a line) can be solved by
AutoCorrect rules.

We maintain our Afrikaans autocorrect rules as part of our spell checkers:
http://zaf.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/zaf/trunk/dict/af/acor/

Then use this script to process the CSV files into the XML:
http://zaf.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/zaf/trunk/dict/utils/csv2acor.py?revision=10098view=markup

Again, this won't solve your specific problem, but it might be a guide 
to others wanting to make AutoCorrect files for their languages.


Best regards,
Andras





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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Documentation translation project for Latvian team

2011-06-30 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-06-30 10:54, David Nelson wrote:

One possibility for doing your documentation translation work would be
to use Alfresco, which is what the English documentation team is
using... See http://alfresco.libreoffice.org /
http:documentation.libreoffice.org

I just wanted to suggest this possibility to you... It would actually
give you more flexibility than doing your documentation work within
Pootle.

If you want to write custom documentation then sure.  But not if you 
just want to translate the documents.


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] l10n process for help content (WAS: [PATCH] Update help fdo#31652)

2011-06-27 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-06-27 10:10, Andras Timar wrote:

Hello,

2011/6/26 Korrawit Pruegsanusakdetective.conan.1...@gmail.com:

Currently there are many help contents that obsolete or inaccurate.
But wrt the string freeze, we couldn't release the fix of them
(because they all must happen in master), and user have to wait for
the next 3.x major release to have them correct, which is every
too-long six months.

So, IMO
- may we freeze only UI string, but not help? (but it's harder to
manage, though)
- or update the wikihelp more frequently? (but this doesn't update
localhelp, which maybe essential for some users)
- or just leave it as is?

What is the process for other projects?

Our processes are based on consensus. We can amend our processes, when
a new consensus is reached. I would accept string changes (only from
bugfixes, not from cosmetics, rewording etc.) before RC1, so
translators have the chance to update their translations before RC2.
But let's wait for others' opinions, too.
A suggestion, would it be possible to relax string freeze on only a 
certain part of help while the other parts remain in freeze? (We're not 
currently translating help so I'm not directly affected.)


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Improvements to help content

2011-06-14 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-06-13 19:43, leif wrote:

Hi all,
We have had a discussion in the Danish community regarding the help
content. We have found a few strings with poor language and also a few
descriptions where we would like to suggest a better or more correct or
complete wording.

My question is how and where to submit such suggestions. Should we
submit a bug report or post the suggestion to the dev-list?

is there a procedure for this kind of feedback?
I wonder if this isn't a good place for the x-comment language?  I.e. a 
language where you can search for bad text and make a correction in 
Pootle.  Then we can simply script extracting the fixes to apply then to 
the source text.


I know someone was looking into x-comment again, based on a review of 
the easy hack webpages.  Not sure how far it has progressed.


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Improvements to help content

2011-06-14 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-06-14 11:33, Andras Timar wrote:

Hi Dwayne,

2011.06.14. 10:30 keltezéssel, Dwayne Bailey írta:

I know someone was looking into x-comment again, based on a review of
the easy hack webpages.  Not sure how far it has progressed.


I have had a look into x-comment. Tools currently do not extract it
(they deal with 'abc-DE' language code format only).
is that because the tools haven't been setup to do it but can actually 
extract them.

  There are very few
x-comments in the source and even less meaningful x-comments, so I let
them alone for the time being.

Yes the current ones are horrible.  But I'm not concerned about those.

What I was suggesting was that we have a debug language in Pootle.  That 
way anyone can contribute a fix to a source string.  It would be simple 
using pofilter to extract only those with changes and push those back 
into the source.  It does require someone to do that but it makes it 
easy to push back a fix.  Currently my guess is that none of us push 
back source text fixes because its way too hard to do.


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translations from Pootle pushed to git (for 3.4 beta3), bugs to fix

2011-05-11 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-04-25 11:37, Andras Timar wrote:

Hi,

Today exported updated po files from Pootle and I will push them to
git to the translations module. LibreOffice 3.4 beta 3 will contain
these translation updates.

Please note, however, that there are still bugs in your translations
that need to be fixed ASAP.

Locales with bugs:
as, be, bg, bn, bo, brx, bs, ca-XV, ca, cy, de, dgo, el, eo, et, fa, gl,
gu, he, hi, hr, id, ka, kk, kn, kok, ks, ku, lt, mai, mk, ml, mn, mni,
mr, my, nb, ne, nn, nr, nso, oc, om, or, pl, pt-BR, pt, ro, ru, rw,
sa-IN, sat, sd, sh, sk, sq, sr, st, sv, ta, te, tg, tn, tr, ts, ug, uk,
uz, vi, zh-CN


Re: nr, nso, st, tn, ts - these won't get fixed until we get some of 
those translation skills back onto our South African teams.  We can try 
some quick fixes for now or simply mark them fuzzy to take them out of 
the builds.


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: Pootle down

2011-04-28 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-04-26 23:41, Anton Meixome wrote:

2011/4/26 Christian Lohmaierlohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com:

Hi *,

On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Rūdolfs Mazurs
rudolfs.maz...@gmail.com  wrote:

Works for me. Is it still an issue?

Well - yes and no. The VM is rebooted, works fine again, but it was
the same problem as last time, i.e. the VM slows down to a crawl, as
it would run on a 1Hz CPU or something like that - it still responds
to a ping for example, and responds to other requests, but the website
stuff all will time out. ssh login is still possible when waiting long
enough (although you cannot work with it, as it takes way to long to
see any reaction to keypresses), and communication via the Virtualbox
tools does work as well (it reacts to powerbutton event and poweroff
events).

So changing the TSC did not solve the problem. And as the source of
the problem is unknown, it will probably happen again :-((

ciao
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Yes, the translaton workflow for galician is totally Pootle dependent.
I must consider other way
but I'm a little stubborn and I want to exhaust all possibilities with
Pootle or similar.
Maybe upgrading the software, devoting more resources or by
replicating and splitting the translations?

I have a question. Is there any way to sync all files (UI and Help)
and upload folder by folder or using a zip?
The process may be
- download the global zip from Pootle
- translate off-line, using Virtaal, brother of Pootle
- upload zips by folder (or global, ideally)
- checks
As others have said you can upload a ZIP.  You can also try the Virtaal 
0.7 beta that does the same checks offline.  So you could move your 
check review offline if you like.


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] KeyID builds

2011-04-28 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-04-27 17:46, Andras Timar wrote:

2011/4/27 Anton Meixomemeix...@certima.net:

Ahá, Ok Andras,
I was thinking in Pootle.


Well, ideally translate-toolkit / Pootle could put key ID in comment,
so we could search for them in Pootle. Key IDs are generated with a
deterministic algorithm, so it would be possible. Maybe for
LibreOffice 3.5. :)
translate-toolkit already does something similar with podebug - I think 
it might even output the same form.


These numbers could go in comments, probably an easy hack, or better 
into the actual search functionality in Pootle in which case the PO 
files wouldn't need to be anything more special then what we currently have.


Anyone wanting to give this a go to hack?

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Need to add Telugu language under Terminology project

2011-04-28 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-04-28 08:25, Krishnababu Krothapalli wrote:


Hi,

I would like to translate Terminology into Telugu [te]. Would be 
helpful if some one could bootstrap the

Terminology project for Telugu.

To bootstrap you might want to look at the poterminology tool:
http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/toolkit/poterminology
this would allow you to extract potential terms of any Teluga translated 
PO file.


Also you could have a look at this list of 2500 ICT terms 
http://www.africanlocalisation.net/sites/default/files/Glossmaster_en_source_0.txt 
as a starting point.


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translations from Pootle pushed to git (for 3.4 beta2), bugs to fix

2011-04-20 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-04-20 03:20, Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Hi *,

On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Christian Lohmaier
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com  wrote:

[broken translations that break the build]
So please fix those Expected Symbol: Close tag fortagname ones as
fast as possible, and have Andras upload them, otherwise chances are
that your language will just be skipped.

For your convenience, I wrote a awk one-liner to turn the error-log
into clickable URLs that will take you to the translation unit in
question:
Nice.  Could we put an HTML page based on your awk script up to 
complement the raw data?  This certainly makes finding and fixing the 
errors easy.

all in one single line - example for the fr.err log:

awk -F'\t' '$10!=en-US { n=split($2, fp, /\\/); up=; for (i=3;
in; ++i)( up=up /  fp[i]  ); if ($6 == ) su = ; else su = .
$6; print https://translations.documentfoundation.org/; $10
/libo34x_ $4 up .po/translate/?sfields=locationssearch=  $5 su}'
  fr.err

would result in
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/fr/libo34x_help/schart/01.po/translate/?sfields=locationssearch=par_id7272255
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/fr/libo34x_help/schart/01.po/translate/?sfields=locationssearch=par_id2259225
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/fr/libo34x_help/shared/01.po/translate/?sfields=locationssearch=par_id31323250502
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/fr/libo34x_help/shared/00.po/translate/?sfields=locationssearch=par_id355152952
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/fr/libo34x_help/shared/00.po/translate/?sfields=locationssearch=par_id993155271
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/fr/libo34x_help/shared/00.po/translate/?sfields=locationssearch=par_id993159201.14
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/fr/libo34x_help/shared/00.po/translate/?sfields=locationssearch=par_id3149902.25
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/fr/libo34x_help/scalc/guide.po/translate/?sfields=locationssearch=par_id3148576.19
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/fr/libo34x_help/sbasic/shared.po/translate/?sfields=locationssearch=par_id3159084.88
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/fr/libo34x_help/sbasic/shared.po/translate/?sfields=locationssearch=par_id3146806.89
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/fr/libo34x_help/sbasic/shared.po/translate/?sfields=locationssearch=par_id3146130.90
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/fr/libo34x_help/sbasic/shared.po/translate/?sfields=locationssearch=par_id31455974

the one-liner explained:

awk -F'\t'
tab is field seperator (I used awk, but of course you could do the
same with perl, sed,)

'$10!=en-US
we're not interested in the english original strings when creating the
URL, as the original string is displayed in pootle anyway (and the
10th field in the error-log is the language tag)

{ n=split($2, fp, /\\/); up=; for (i=3; in; ++i)( up=up /  fp[i]  );
assemble the path of the file, i.e. turn
source\text\schart\01\04050100.xhp into /schart/01 (.po is appended later)

  if ($6 == ) su = ; else su = . $6;
when there is a sub-unit (no idea how else you call it - i.e. when
there is par_idwhatever.subunit, also use it.

  print https://translations.documentfoundation.org/; $10 /libo34x_
$4 up .po/translate/?sfields=locationssearch=  $5 su}'

assemble  print the URL
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/languagecode/project/filepath/translate/?sfields=locationsearch=paragraph-id[subunit]

  fr.err

read the file fr.err as input

ciao
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translations from Pootle pushed to git (for 3.4 beta2), bugs to fix

2011-04-20 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-04-20 13:12, Dwayne Bailey wrote:
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/fr/libo34x_help/shared/00.po/translate/?sfields=locationssearch=par_id3149902.25 



(in case sophie is too fast and fixes it in the meantime:
variable id=FehlendesElementDans  une fenêtre de fichier de base
de données, cliquez sur l'icôneemphRequêtes/emph, puis choisissez
emphÉditer - Éditer/emp. Lorsque les champs de référence
n'existent plus, vous voyez cette boîte de dialogue/variable

i.e.
variable
emph/emph
emph/emp  non-matching - missing h - pootle doesn't 
flag it

/variable

I've created http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1910

Seems that we do detect this error correctly.

My guess is that it was marked as a false positive.  We should be seeing 
puncspacing and doublespacing errors on this one and we're seeing no errors.


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translations from Pootle pushed to git (for 3.4 beta2), bugs to fix

2011-04-19 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-04-19 09:13, Andras Timar wrote:

So now there are 3 checks in place for translations:
gsicheck - standard check for tags etc.
readmecheck - same as gsicheck but for the readme
doublecheck - check if different English strings were translated into
the same at critical parts of the code
In an ideal world I'd love those tools to inject the found errors back 
into Pootle so that you have one place to find and fix errors and no 
cryptic strings we need to search for.  If anyone would want to try code 
that please give me a shout and we can work out what needs to be done.

Pootle also contains checks for many potential translation bugs. There
are many false positives but it finds many real bugs. Please go through
them, especially 'variables' and 'escapes', because these can be fatal
(Review tab).

We need your help with these false positives:
1) If a test makes no sense in your language, e.g. startcaps in 
languages with no capitals, then please report that to the Pootle 
developers as we can switch these off for your language.
2) Please report false positives that affect your language and that you 
think could/should be fixed in the code.


Please also try to mark your false positives.  This allows you to reduce 
your error count to zero and will then show real errors clearly.  You 
can do that by clicking on the cross next to the check when you are in 
review mode.


We haven't had much testing of what happens to false positives when the 
files are upgraded, you would help us test and find bugs here.


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle bug - hides translation units (change display # lines settings as a workaround)

2011-04-18 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-04-17 03:32, Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Hi *,

as a couple of you had already noticed, as it was mentioned within
some other threads already:

Pootle has a bug that is related to the user settings on how many
entries to show at a time.
This should be fixed in Pootle 2.1.6 which was released last week.  It 
was related to an issue which some of you might have seen where we under 
or over reported strings that needed attention.


So you might want to put an upgrade of Pootle into planning.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Removing older versions of strings from pootle

2011-04-18 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-04-17 23:33, André Schnabel wrote:

Hi,

Am 17.04.2011 20:59, schrieb Andras Timar:




I also suggest removing version number from the name of the projects,
because it has several benefits. One of them is preserving
contribution statistics of the project.

That's a good point. Statistics are important. I wonder what others
think.


I wonder why it should be important for the statistics if we have 
Version numbers in the project or not.  If someone is actually doing a 
translation this is counted - and that is what matters (regardless of 
the version she contributed to).
By using project names such as libo-current-ui and libo-next-ui you 
could achieve this statistics stability, if required.  The descriptive 
name of the project could then communicate that this is 3.3.x vs 3.4.x


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle migration

2011-04-05 Thread Dwayne Bailey


On 2011-04-05 15:20, Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Hi Andras, *,

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Andras Timartima...@gmail.com  wrote:

2011.04.04. 22:28 keltezéssel, Christian Lohmaier írta:


* If you experience any slowness on other operations than requesting
zips: Report them.

Many thanks for your insightful explanations. I find the new server more
responsive than the old one. However, some operations are still slow.
When I add a new language to a project (e.g. LibreOffice 3.4.x UI) and
click Overview tab of that new language, I have to wait ~2-3 minutes.

You don't write when exactly you did it, but from munin stats I see
there is high CPU utilization between around the time you wrote that
post (i.e. between 9 and 10). But that high utilization is again only
on one single core, i.e. 100% out of 400% are used only.
This is pootles's processing that is slow here (CPU-bound, thus
nothing fixable unless you rewrite pootle to use multithreaded
approach).
When adding a new language we don't do any caching until you go to the 
overview page.  Thus when first viewing we are doing all the updating 
for search and check failures.  A way around this would be to run 
refresh_stats manage.py command.


I doubt multithreading would help here because of Python's poor 
multithreading ability.  So more invasive changes to display stats as 
they are available would probably be the correct way to make the UI more 
responsive.  We're relying on Apache to start each mod_wsgi instance so 
while this is slow and hogging that one core it wouldn't prevent someone 
from translating elsewhere in Pootle.



Then I upload translations to that language and I have to wait another
~5 minutes. This is not a convenient way to upload 100 languages. Can it
be done in a batch process from the shell?

Oh, large-scale updates surely should be possible using the shell, but
I don't know really know pootle, thus I cannot tell for sure (but I
guess Rimas is doing just that right now...)

When uploading translations a few things are happening.

  1. Unzipping if needed
  2. Parsing the files that you supplied
  3. Merging your uploads with the current data in the db
  4. Refreshing the stats

We do this to prevent any data loss, but as you can imagine its a lot of 
work.  One thing worth trying on the LO Pootle server is to make use of 
the C PO parser, its much faster but not as widely tested as the Python 
PO parser.


You can do this from the command line update_stores followed by 
refresh_stats.  This of course if you know that the files on the files 
system are the ones that you want as it will override anything in the 
database.

ciao
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Belarusian/Belorussian translation

2011-03-04 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-03-04 11:08, Yury Tarasievich wrote:

On 03/04/2011 10:37 AM, Dwayne Bailey wrote:
...

Also, the terminology matching isn't as quite clear-cut process as
many tools make it to look (Pootle, too, as far as I can understand --
I know Pootle only superficially). E.g., is there a support for the
context variants (translate as A1 in context C1, as A2 in C2 etc.)?

Terminology matching is ultimately a human decision, a machine can only
do so much. Context itself is difficult for a machine to determine.


I mean is there even a technical support in Pootle for the context 
variants, as described?
It is possible to define multiple variants for a given word in which 
case Pootle will display all of the options, a translator then must make 
the correct choice.  There is no way for Pootle to determine the context 
and only show the correct variant.


Also, could you please elaborate on the XLIFF process you mentioned 
You said: But if you download an XLIFF version for offline 
translation then Sasha's suggestions would be listed as alternative 
translations.  You can use Virtaal to edit these offline XLIFF files. 
Does this mean to even use these alternative translations, one has 
to switch to the XLIFF format?
You can always review suggestions online with Pootle.  However, if you 
wanted to review these alternative translations offline then yes you 
need to be working in XLIFF.  That doesn't mean that the files must be 
in XLIFF format since Pootle allows you to download an XLIFF version of 
the PO files.


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translation of Kurdish website

2011-03-04 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-03-04 16:09, Rimas Kudelis wrote:

Hi Erdal,

2011.03.04 16:00, Erdal Ronahi rašė:
we want to translate the LibreOffice.org website into Kurdish. I 
think I do
not have the admin rights for ku.libreoffice.org yet. How can I get 
them?


Sophie has outlined this in the wiki: 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/NewWebsiteNLT

Is it possible to pull data for the CMS to translate in Pootle?

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Capturing and sharing translator feedback using x-comment language

2011-03-02 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-03-02 09:45, Andras Timar wrote:

2011/3/2 Dwayne Baileydwa...@translate.org.za:

I few years ago I worked on some changes to oo2po that allowed the
'x-comment' language to be extracted to translator comments.  Similarly the
'translations' of x-comment could be pushed back into the source.

This puts translator comments in the hands of people who understand what
needs commenting.  Comments would be useful in place where:

  1. Variables are not clearly defined
  2. Blank entries
  3. Verb/noun disambiguation

I haven't used the x-comment feature since I wrote it.  But I assume it will
still work.

It works quite simply.  The 'translations' are placed in x-comment entries.
  When running oo2po the 'x-comments' are placed in the PO files translator
comments section.

Then on Pootle any translator can make a suggestion to the x-comment
language, an English review team would go through those comments, make fixes
in the source string or accept the comment.  Each release would need to be
'translated' by the team to review any new texts.

Hi Dwayne,

This sound very interesting. How can you extract x-comments that it is
not present in the SDF template? Can you please give us the commands
to use?
This is the bit that is outside of my expertise.  How is the EN/DE .sdf 
created in the first place.  From my understanding it would then be a 
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[libreoffice-l10n] Re: South African languages

2011-03-02 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-03-02 09:55, Andras Timar wrote:

Hi Dwayne,

South African languages have been imported to TDF Pootle last night.
All have been updated with the latest LibreOffice po templates. Thanks
for your support. :)

:) Thank you

We are preparing LibreOffice 3.3.2 release now and I would like to
know if these translations are newer than those which we currently
have in LibreOffice source?
They are unlikely to be newer, but they will be the latest PO files, 
which is all I care about.

I can spare a few hours of work if they
are not. Do you plan to update the translations in the next few days?
There are a lot of easily resolvable fuzzies.
No plans to update them.  My first plan was to get them onto the LO 
server we'll look at gathering the community following this.


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Capturing and sharing translator feedback using x-comment language

2011-03-02 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 2011-03-02 14:32, Andras Timar wrote:

2011/3/2 Dwayne Baileydwa...@translate.org.za:

On 2011-03-02 09:45, Andras Timar wrote:

2011/3/2 Dwayne Baileydwa...@translate.org.za:

I few years ago I worked on some changes to oo2po that allowed the
'x-comment' language to be extracted to translator comments. Similarly
the
'translations' of x-comment could be pushed back into the source.

This puts translator comments in the hands of people who understand what
needs commenting. Comments would be useful in place where:

1. Variables are not clearly defined
2. Blank entries
3. Verb/noun disambiguation

I haven't used the x-comment feature since I wrote it. But I assume it
will
still work.

It works quite simply. The 'translations' are placed in x-comment
entries.
When running oo2po the 'x-comments' are placed in the PO files
translator
comments section.

Then on Pootle any translator can make a suggestion to the x-comment
language, an English review team would go through those comments, make
fixes
in the source string or accept the comment. Each release would need to
be
'translated' by the team to review any new texts.

Hi Dwayne,

This sound very interesting. How can you extract x-comments that it is
not present in the SDF template? Can you please give us the commands
to use?

This is the bit that is outside of my expertise. How is the EN/DE .sdf
created in the first place. From my understanding it would then be a matter
of adding x-comment.

It needs further investigation then. .sdf file does not contain
x-comment by default.
Caolan has added a new easy hack to address this issue:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks#Export.2FImport_.src_comments_to_.sdf.2F.po_format
Further investigation of the command line options for localize.pl is
probably the right way to do it. The oo2po and po2oo parts should work
without any changes.

I looked through my old emails and can't find anything about x-comments
extraction, was probably discussed on IRC. I've forward you the email I
wrote about how it should work with oo2po and po2oo.

Rimas: don't worry seems Andras is on this

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Question about Pootle

2011-03-02 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-03-02 23:09, Rimas Kudelis wrote:

Hi Dwayne,

2011.03.01 10:23, Dwayne Bailey rašė:

On 2011-02-28 12:55, Rimas Kudelis wrote:

2011.02.28 11:28, Dwayne Bailey rašė:

On 2011-02-22 11:16, Rimas Kudelis wrote:

2011.02.22 10:21, Dwayne Bailey rašė:

Translate Toolkit defines canchangetags for openoffice as link and
name, so it should be passing. Is this project setup for
openoffice checks instead of the default?

Ah, I've changed the values in project setup, but still the same
strings are reported as not passing xmltags. Is there anything else
I should do?

I've just put this in the Translate Toolkit test harness and it passes.

Since the project values changes can you run refresh_stats against
the project and Danish to confirm?  IF that works then you'll need
to run it against the whole project.


I've ran it for all three projects/all languages, and the result is
still the same...

Looks like a bug.

There are some other things we could try:

1) sync_stores, move files to a temporary dir, update_stores to reset
everything
2) Move files back and update_stores to restore everything

Its probably best to continue this conversation on the Pootle mailing
list.

This worked! Well, except a problem with Luxembourgish that I mentioned
on IRC, which I worked around later by repeating the steps for this
language only. Thanks!

Excellent.  Could you report a bug at bugs.locamotion.org please.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pitjantjatjara spell checker

2011-03-01 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-02-28 10:23, Peter Ruwoldt wrote:

Hi
I am wanting to develop a Pitjantjatjara spell checker for
LibreOffice.  Pitjantjatjara is one of a number of indigenous
languages from Central Australia.  I'm hoping that what we learn from
doing this will enable us to develop spell check dictionaries for
other Australian indigenous languages.

I have a list of words in a unicode text file where each word is on a
new line.  There are about 2300 lines/words.

I have no idea what to do next and I would appreciate clues for the next steps.

Thanks
Peter
We build spellchecker for 11 languages in South Africa.  Our framework 
might be useful for you to build a number of checker for Firefox and LO.


http://zaf.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/zaf/trunk/dict/

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Question about Pootle

2011-03-01 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-02-28 12:55, Rimas Kudelis wrote:

2011.02.28 11:28, Dwayne Bailey rašė:

On 2011-02-22 11:16, Rimas Kudelis wrote:

2011.02.22 10:21, Dwayne Bailey rašė:
Translate Toolkit defines canchangetags for openoffice as link and 
name, so it should be passing. Is this project setup for openoffice 
checks instead of the default?


Ah, I've changed the values in project setup, but still the same 
strings are reported as not passing xmltags. Is there anything else 
I should do?


I've just put this in the Translate Toolkit test harness and it passes.

Since the project values changes can you run refresh_stats against 
the project and Danish to confirm?  IF that works then you'll need to 
run it against the whole project.




I've ran it for all three projects/all languages, and the result is 
still the same...

Looks like a bug.

There are some other things we could try:

1) sync_stores, move files to a temporary dir, update_stores to reset 
everything

2) Move files back and update_stores to restore everything

Its probably best to continue this conversation on the Pootle mailing list.

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[libreoffice-l10n] Capturing and sharing translator feedback using x-comment language

2011-03-01 Thread Dwayne Bailey

I few years ago I worked on some changes to oo2po that allowed the 
'x-comment' language to be extracted to translator comments.  Similarly 
the 'translations' of x-comment could be pushed back into the source.


This puts translator comments in the hands of people who understand what 
needs commenting.  Comments would be useful in place where:


  1. Variables are not clearly defined
  2. Blank entries
  3. Verb/noun disambiguation

I haven't used the x-comment feature since I wrote it.  But I assume it 
will still work.


It works quite simply.  The 'translations' are placed in x-comment 
entries.  When running oo2po the 'x-comments' are placed in the PO files 
translator comments section.


Then on Pootle any translator can make a suggestion to the x-comment 
language, an English review team would go through those comments, make 
fixes in the source string or accept the comment.  Each release would 
need to be 'translated' by the team to review any new texts.


Rimas, is this something that you would be able to look at?

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Pootle hangs / is unstable

2011-02-28 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-02-27 20:09, Hossein Noorikhah wrote:

Hi,
I suggest making SSL optional and not enabled by default. It puts a great
load on CPU, and it's not that necessary.
Pootle itself has some bugs that make it hang when someone uploads a file.

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Pootle_Issue_List#Overload_with_uploading_file
Not true, Pootle hanging during uploads is an issue with very old 
versions of Pootle.  Translate only recently updated Pootle at Oracle 
from 1.x to 2.1, so that wiki page it outdated.


Files will take a while to upload and merge but they shouldn't block 
anyone from doing other tasks on the server.


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Question about Pootle

2011-02-28 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-02-22 11:07, Andre Schnabel wrote:

Hi,


Von: Dwayne Baileydwa...@translate.org.za

Well in


https://translations.documentfoundation.org/da/libo33x_help/translate.html?matchnames=xmltags,

I don't see case differences, but the string is still reported.

Translate Toolkit defines canchangetags for openoffice as link and name,

means change in link (href) or name values would be allowed and not reportet
as error?

link=something - link=anotherthing
name=Name - name=Naam

Should not report errors

href=one - href=two

Should report an error

so it should be passing. Is this project setup for openoffice checks
instead of the default?

It's set to openoffice.

regards,

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Question about Pootle

2011-02-22 Thread Dwayne Bailey

On 2011-02-21 21:24, Rimas Kudelis wrote:

Hi Dwayne,

2011.02.20 18:40, Dwayne Bailey rašė:

On 2011-02-20 12:53, Rimas Kudelis wrote:

2011.02.20 11:40, leif rašė:

Hi all,
I have a small question about the merged files on Pootle. We can see
that there is a lot of strings with the a warning (Failing Checks)
about

xmltags.

https://translations.documentfoundation.org/da/libo33x_help/translate.html?matchnames=xmltags

Does this indicate a problem or just that the check has failed? As far
as I can see there is no problem with most of these strings.

It looks like the reason behind that is that you change the name=
attribute of those tags. However, I'm not sure if that's bad for us
or not. :)

Maybe Sophie or someone else can tell more?

There was some discussion about this over at OOo. Seems that the
entries when used are case insensitive, but of course our tests
aren't. One of their solution was the idea of normalising all these
entries.

I'm not sure we want to change the xmltags test in this case but
rather fix this in the source and target text.

Well in
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/da/libo33x_help/translate.html?matchnames=xmltags,
I don't see case differences, but the string is still reported.
Translate Toolkit defines canchangetags for openoffice as link and name,
so it should be passing. Is this project setup for openoffice checks
instead of the default?

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Community starts 50, 000 Euro challenge for setting-up its foundation

2011-02-17 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-02-17 14:09, David Nelson wrote:

Hi Alex, :-)

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 19:27, Alexander Thurgood
alex.thurg...@gmail.com  wrote:

Le 16/02/11 13:18, Florian Effenberger a écrit :

Hi Florian,

I see that this page exists translated into German and Spanish. If I
wanted to provide a translation into French, how would I go about doing
that ? At present, I have no access as author to the TDF website, and
don't see any real need to have one. Couldn't I just send someone the
translation ?

If you like, you can send it to me and I'll post it Monday or Tuesday.
Is it possible to run these pages through Translate Toolkit's html2po 
and host them on Pootle?


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] OT: view msgid/msgstr in a website

2011-02-15 Thread Dwayne Bailey



On 2011-02-15 18:51, Christian Lohmaier wrote:

Hi Nguyen, *,

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Nguyen Vu Hungvuhung16p...@gmail.com  wrote:

Hello all,

I wonder if is there any (web based is better) tools that allows us
viewing/searching for a specific
keywords, phases from msgid/msgstr of po files.

Well, pootle does this already, doesn't it?
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/

Correct, if you mean searching.

If pootle cannot do what you have in mind, please be more specific.

Regarding sharing of translations - well, that strongly depends on the
tools used, probably easiest to download the po-files and let your
tools create a translation memory from that. pootle uses a terminology
sub-project that can be used as basis for suggestions while
translating. But that really depends on the other tools you're using.

open-tran.eu is a good site for shared FOSS TM.

The developers of Pootle have integrated TM into the next version.  
They're also building a high performance TM engine.


If you are translating offline you might want to try Virtaal which will 
pull TM suggestions directly from open-tran.eu.  Virtaal cleans up the 
open-tran results using distance matching so there is less noise.


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