[lace] famous lacemakers
Roslyn wrote: I read this week a filler in the paper that said all the famous lacemakers were men. Now I don't know famous lacemakers nor if they were men or women, but I had always thought that the men associated with lace were more like middlemen. As far as I know, here in Catalonia (Spain), some men were the lace designers while women were the workers of lace. I consider whereas, the work of the women more important, as it is more difficult to adapt a design to lace that just to draw the pattern. And I can add too, that we know the name of the men but not the name of the women who worked the laces. Carolina. Barcelona. Spain. -- Carolina de la Guardia http://www.geocities.com/carolgallego/ http://www.geocities.com/carolgallego/encajebrujo.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Famous lacemakers
Roslyn wrote: I read this week a filler in the paper that said all the famous lacemakers were men. As this contentious statement has caused us some degree of bewilderment and speculation, could we ask Roslyn to contact the paper to ask why the author of the article believes this to be so. Unfortunately, she tantalisingly omitted to tell us what the rest of the piece was about. By filler, does this mean it could have been reprint from an historical source? If so, is there a geographical reference. In the world-wide context, I don't think there are any lacemakers who are really famous. How many people outside lace (and maybe historical textiles) have heard of Thomas Lester for example. I know that when I studied fashion, including history of dress, he was never mentioned; I only found out about him through lace making. And even those contemporary lacemakers (mostly female) that we consider to be famous, our icons and role models, are largely unknown outside of lace. Shame though, perhaps we should try for the Turner prize. Jacquie - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] A T-shirt for the in crowd?
I think it's a clever idea - but wonder if the medium is going to do it justice? If you look at your other lacey t-shirts, you'll see that there isn't much detail to be seen... the individual threads just aren't there. So the oops samples may not look much different from the correct version... Hate to be a wet blanket, but I'm a skeptic... (in regards to this idea...) Clay - Original Message - From: Tamara P. Duvall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lace Arachne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:45 PM Subject: [lace] A T-shirt for the in crowd? Gentle Spiders, The last week or so, I've been corresponding with several BL novices on the finer points of Torchon bookmarks (I have the book in which the bookmarks were published, so could check what they were talking about). Three of them (the novices) mentioned -- as if it were a dirty secret -- a *general* problem or two they were having (not the same ones). I couldn't begin to understand why they thought those problems were something to be ashamed of; when I was starting, the overload of info was overwhelming -- *everything* was new, and everything had to be memorised before the fingers (skills) took over... Up a creek without a paddle is where I felt I was (of course, that was '89, I had only one book, with outdated info re: suppliers, and no Arachne in sight g). So, as I was writing back, I kept thinking: been there, done that... And then realised that, no, I did *not* have a T-shirt to prove it; I have several lacemaking T-shirts, but not *that* one. I'd love to have a T-shirt (either short or long-sleeved) which said been there, done that... Ooops and then showed some lace (Torchon?) with common oopsies... My personal favourite would be the messed-up footside -- pin under 2 instead of under 4 for just one pin -- that's one that still happens to me sometimes (in Milanese). But I'm sure there are other lovely ones worth commemorating... :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] at the bottom optional... Non-BL-ers wouldn't understand it, but then they don't understand the straight ones, either. For *us*, however... On the one hand, it's a statement of improvement (been there, done that, but am not doing it anymore). On the other hand, it'd be reassuring (I should think) to novices to know that *everyone* had, at some point, worn the lace diapers but did manage to get toilet trained in the end... If y'all think the idea is worth pursuing, and if there's someone among us who'd be willing to get such a T-shirt organised, I'd volunteer to make the oops-y lace for it *After* New Year's g) Provided, of course, other people on the list were willing to share their particular bugaboos (a pine-cone tally among a cluster of perfect ones?) overcome or not... - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Famous lacemakers
In a message dated 12/13/2003 7:10:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think there are any lacemakers who are really famous. The only lacemakers I can think of that are famous are famous for things other than lacemaking, for instance, Catherine of Aragon or Mary, Queen of Scots. There is also a picture in the latest OIDFA of Queen Alexandrine of Denmark making lace. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] A T-shirt for the in crowd
DH has successfully printed T-shirts with photos of birds that he took with his digital camera. They came out extremely well because the colours were bright and the images sharp. He used T-shirt transfer paper for inkjet printers, which should be available from most computer supplies shops. The process was: open the image in a suitable program, mirror the image, print it selecting the appropriate setting on the printer for transfer paper, trim round the edge of the printout leaving a thin border around the edge. Then put a board covered with a pillowcase or similar inside a white T-shirt (needs to be white or light so the border on the print doesn't show), place the transfer paper, printed side down, on the T-shirt and iron over it as directed on the paper packet. Allow to cool, peel off the paper. Fix the image by placing a piece of white paper over it and ironing for 10 seconds. Peel the paper while still hot. Leave the T-shirt for 24 hours. Wash before wearing. Iron the image on the reverse side only. I was going to try it it with a scan of some of my nicer bobbins, but, being 3D, they created a shadow on the scan which I wasn't happy with. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] A T-shirt for the in crowd (2)
Forgot to say that the border round the print appears as a white boarder n the T-shirt. Might be got rid of if you were brave enough not to have a border round the edge. I assume that without it, the edges of the image might not appear sharp. Clay wrote: If you look at your other lacey t-shirts, you'll see that there isn't much detail to be seen... the individual threads just aren't there. I scanned my first folding fan into Photosuite which automatically magnified the image. I'd been very proud of it at normal size, but at two and a half times normal, every mistake jumped out of the screen and the paper I printed it on! Never again - unless it's to show the mistakes. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Famous lacemakers
Roslyn wrote: I read this week a filler in the paper that said all the famous lacemakers were men. Hey, I'm fascinated to know that where Roslyn lives they have a newspaper that still needs to use filler! I haven't seen any since the 60s. I used to love those little bits of information! (For those arachnes who are under 30 - filler is little one or two line bits of information that they used to slip into a newspaper column to fill it out to the correct length. Stuff like a 200 lb man would weigh xxx pounds on the moon and so on. The need for filler disappeared when presses moved to computerized type.) So, sadly, we can't argue with this filler because it has probably been handed down in a book of filler lines for 50 years or more. It's like trying to get the Scrabble dictionary people to correct their definition that tat means lacemaking. A lost cause. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: [lace] famous lacemakers
Hi everyone and Roslyn who wrote: I read this week a filler in the paper that said all the famous lacemakers were men. The wording would be, more correctly (though inaccurately), '(all the) (I wouldn't be hasty about stating 'all') famous names associated with lace are those of men' supposing the writer was referring to someone like the brothers Lefebure in France, for instance. They were not the makers of the actual lace but in charge of having the laces made (to put it simply). However, there were women who were also 'in charge of having the laces made' - their names weren't given due accord - Mme. Charpentier was the predecessor to the first Lefebure, for instance. I suppose it is rather like the situation with an architect or engineer, or in the days of portrait painting studios - the person who signs the finished artwork, drawing, plan, design, lace whatever - is legally responsible for that work (as well as 'owning' it). 'His' technicians will have done most of the work. One can see how the dilution of reporting can distort the facts. Thanks for sharing that Roslyn, it was thought provoking ;) -- bye for now Bev on a typical wintry day in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada) i.e. damp, dark and warm - good if you're a mushroom. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] men lacemakers
I think Roslyn should write to the editor of the paper, by-passing the reporter, and tell him/her that she/he has idiots writing stories who don't bother to find out if the things they write are even true. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] A T-shirt for the in crowd
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:57:58 -, Jean wrote: DH has successfully printed T-shirts with photos of birds that he took with his digital camera. They came out extremely well because the colours were bright and the images sharp. He used T-shirt transfer paper for inkjet printers, which should be available from most computer supplies shops. I've used the process Jean described to put an image of lace on a T shirt. First I adapted an out of copyright Bedfordshire design and made the lace, a motif about 10 cm tall, to avoid having to ask a designer for permission to use their copyrighted lace. Then I scanned the lace into my computer. It took several evenings of working with a graphics program to delete the background, mess around with filters till I decided on a wood effect, enlarge the image to about 25cm, clean up all the stray pixels of the wrong colour, and work out the relationship between colours on the screen and colours on the printer to get the image I wanted on paper. The transfer paper (from a photographic shop in my case) prints a bit darker than plain paper. Then I took a white T shirt, dyed it in once in yellow and then a second time in blue to get a greenish textured effect and printed the image on to the T shirt. Finally I had something I could wear and was pleased with. A few of you will have seen the finished item at UK or German Lace Guild conventions. I call it my 'Grinling Gibbons' as it is lace rendered in a wood effect. I did another pink and yellow piece of lace on a blue T shirt but wasn't quite as pleased with it. But sadly I have to report that 2 years on the transfer is flaking off the T shirt, despite having been washed by hand (well at least until it had substantial damage). So these things don't last. But now at least I only have to print out the picture again and find a T shirt to put it on. -- A clergyman is one who feels himself called upon to live without working at the expense of the rascals who work to live. - Voltaire Steph Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tatting, lace stitching page http://www.sandbenders.demon.co.uk/index.htm - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Famous lacemakers
At 10:15 AM 12/13/03 -0800, Adele Shaak wrote: So, sadly, we can't argue with this filler because it has probably been handed down in a book of filler lines for 50 years or more. It's like trying to get the Scrabble dictionary people to correct their definition that tat means lacemaking. A lost cause. Not to mention that the filler is exactly true -- c'mon, name me *one* famous lacemaker who isn't a man! This is a famous mathematical principle: any statement about the all the members of the empty set is true. -- Joy Beeson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~joybeeson/ http://home.earthlink.net/~beeson_n3f/ http://www.timeswrsw.com/craig/cam/ (local weather) west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A. where only rare dirty clumps of ice remain of the first proper snowfall. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] RE: Famous lacemakers
Rather than attacking either the reporter or the editor about the inaccuracy of the statement they printed why not use this as an opportunity to educate the press and their readership about lace and lacemakers. Clearly, reporters, whether men or women, cannot research every filler line used in newspapers. You could start by explaining just how the incorrect information has been passed along then go on to discus the actual history of any famous lacemakers or the lack of them and what all that means in view of the treatment of women in *his* story. A bit about lace with a comparison of early lacemakers with those practicing the art today would make an interesting human interest story. Darlene Mulholland www.darlenem.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.551 / Virus Database: 343 - Release Date: 11/12/2003 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Macular Degeneration
Dear Lacemakers, This is a brief summary of a very detailed letter in the current NeedleArts magazine of The Embroiderers' Guild of America, Inc. from an embroiderer diagnosed with macular degeneration seven years ago. Her physician brother insisted she search www.videoeyecorp.com to get information and their 10-minute video. (It is possible for international clients to get information through this address.) She acknowledged this is a very expensive solution to her vision problem. It greatly enhances her quality of life. She now stitches while watching a 27-inch color television monitor! She works at a 6-foot folding banquet table that gives plenty of room for all the materials she needs. She explained the 3 models of the system available. She chose the Millennium II that magnifies 25X, 50X and 100X because she knew the higher levels of magnification would be needed eventually. She lamented that the setup is not portable, and she cannot use it at a seminar. She says she checked other sources of magnification aids, but they did not seem as flexible as this particular system. And, she recommended it for knitting, crochet, or tatting. The work can be held in the lap and the camera pulled down over the work. Seems to me, the camera could also be focused on a lacemaker's pillow. A U.S. 800 number was given: 800-416-0758. I also saw two medical news segments on TV this year about a doctor in Boston who has developed special contact lenses that make it possible for macular degeneration patients to see. This is still in the developmental stages, but shows great promise. Christmas greetings, Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center (\o/) /_\ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Threads of antique lace - Magnification Possibilities
In a message dated 12/10/03 3:24:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, I am looking for information on threads used for laces. I am especially interested in finding information which relates to thread (in cotton, flax,...) used in the past. Does anyone know of any books and/or websites which focus on this subject? Thank you in advance Nathalie --- Dear Lacemakers, When writing the earlier memo about new solutions for Macular Degeneration patients, I was reminded of the following experience last month: At the special lace study day arranged by Devon Thein at The Ratti Center, Metropolitan Museum, there was a microscope set up, focused on a piece of lace. A camera sent a magnified image to a computer screen set on the same table. This was wonderful! We could see numerous repairs to extremely fine old laces; laces that appeared to be in perfect condition to the naked eye. Every stitch was visible. For a group session, it was a more perfect way for us to view and discuss lace details than for each individual to peer through the microscope. How wonderful it would be, if every lace collection had this capability. I did not take notes as to what the specific equipment was, but share my impression of wonderful technological developments that will make our lace research much easier - so you will know it exists. This is certainly not a direct answer to the question from Claeys, but I do think that new technological developments and equipment will help to answer questions about antique threads, since one way of identifying fibers is by using magnification. The physical traits of cotton and linen are different. When I took a course in fiber identification years ago, we were taught that an old outdated microscope or a microscope sold in a toy shop would be adequate for identifying distinguishing characteristics of cotton, linen, silk, wool, etc. I rather prefer the latest props - a marriage of microscope, camera and computer! Christmas greetings, Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center (\o/) /_\ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] A T-shirt for the in crowd
When I was doing City Guilds in Creative Computing - Part 1, which I did actually finish! - I made quite a large number of T-shirts, most of them featuring original bits of lace. The problem that I met with was that, after a couple of washes, the brightly coloured images had more or less turned into grey-scale, so I became discouraged by this disappointment. Can anyone tell me if there is any way to make the colours colour-fast? Ann in Manchester, UK - Original Message - From: Jean Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 1:57 PM Subject: [lace] A T-shirt for the in crowd DH has successfully printed T-shirts with photos of birds that he took with his digital camera. They came out extremely well because the colours were bright and the images sharp. He used T-shirt transfer paper for inkjet printers, which should be available from most computer supplies shops. The process was: open the image in a suitable program, mirror the image, print it selecting the appropriate setting on the printer for transfer paper, trim round the edge of the printout leaving a thin border around the edge. Then put a board covered with a pillowcase or similar inside a white T-shirt (needs to be white or light so the border on the print doesn't show), place the transfer paper, printed side down, on the T-shirt and iron over it as directed on the paper packet. Allow to cool, peel off the paper. Fix the image by placing a piece of white paper over it and ironing for 10 seconds. Peel the paper while still hot. Leave the T-shirt for 24 hours. Wash before wearing. Iron the image on the reverse side only. I was going to try it it with a scan of some of my nicer bobbins, but, being 3D, they created a shadow on the scan which I wasn't happy with. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Threads of antique lace - Magnification Possibilities
On Saturday, Dec 13, 2003, at 18:22 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the special lace study day arranged by Devon Thein at The Ratti Center, Metropolitan Museum, there was a microscope set up, focused on a piece of lace. A camera sent a magnified image to a computer screen set on the same table. This was wonderful! We could see numerous repairs to extremely fine old laces; laces that appeared to be in perfect condition to the naked eye. Every stitch was visible. Those of us who chose the Metropolitan as their IOLI Convention (Hasbrouck Heights, NJ, '03) had the same opportunity and, as Jeri says, it's a wonder -- a real eye opener... Most of us start learning lacemaking with thicker threads, to allow for better visibility but, when it comes to finer laces, a lot of the reconstruction had to be guesswork (how many twists? ). The pictures showing on the screen put thread-by-thread diagrams to shame, even though, with the naked eye, all one sees is a solid-seeming blob :) How wonderful it would be, if every lace collection had this capability. Devon says the equipment is *hideously* expensive; I don't see any chance of it being installed for every lace collection, since many excellent ones are located at lesser (less well endowed) venues. But, perhaps, the Met could *rent* it, by the hour, to researchers from other institutions/book writers? I think it's possible to capture (hard copy) the images from the screen, and those could then be included in paper pulications... This is certainly not a direct answer to the question from Claeys, but I do think that new technological developments and equipment will help to answer questions about antique threads, since one way of identifying fibers is by using magnification. The physical traits of cotton and linen are different. Totally. And silk is still different, as is wool. we were taught that an old outdated microscope or a microscope sold in a toy shop would be adequate for identifying distinguishing characteristics of cotton, linen, silk, wool, etc. Some you can tell apart easily, some are difficult. And, if they're mixed, it might be impossible. The magnification just isn't powerful enough there. And taking photos of those is difficult also... I rather prefer the latest props - a marriage of microscope, camera and computer! No kidding; it was a miracle... - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: A T-shirt for the in crowd?
Dear Lacemakers, Don't know if she is still making them, but our Lacefairy has an embroidery machine on which she was custom embroidering shirts and cover cloths for which she took orders at Lace Days. I have a lovely cover cloth she made that is a lacy (machine embroidered) round torchon doily image, with my name embroidered in the middle. Embroidery would require more labor and would cost more, but probably be more lasting than printed images. Lori? Can you tell us more about the shirts? Are they pictured on your Website? Is anyone from Finland on the list? The ladies from Finland all wore matching shirts at an OIDFA convention several years ago. I loved them! Are they still in good condition, or did they wear out quickly? Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Macular Degeneration
In a message dated 13/12/2003 23:05:06 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is a brief summary of a very detailed letter in the current NeedleArts magazine of The Embroiderers' Guild of America, Inc. from an embroiderer diagnosed with macular degeneration seven years ago. Her physician brother insisted she search www.videoeyecorp.com to get information and their 10-minute video. (It is possible for international clients to get information through this address.) If anyone on the lists is suffering from or knows anyone suffering from Macular Degeneration and would like to know more about it and it's effects (there is no cure only retardation in a SMALL number of cases), then please feel free to email me as this is how my father became blind and I can give you information on what to expect and how to help yourself keep as much of your independance as possible. Just for info - the macular is the middle back area of the eye and it dies off - usually through bleeding in it. Gradually the centre of vision turns brownish (dad describes it as though he is looking through two pairs of tights) and dead in the centre, with fuzzy round the edges. As time goes on, the centre spreads out and you can only see things by, as my dad puts it, sneaking up on things and looking at them sideways. BTW - beta carotene and vitamin C do help with retardation. Regards Liz Beecher I'm A HREF=http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee;blogging/A now - see what it's all about - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: A T-shirt for the in crowd?
On Saturday, Dec 13, 2003, at 20:33 US/Eastern, Clive and Betty Ann Rice wrote: Maybe this needs to be moved to chat but I'll not do it. O.K. by me to be here... As one reprobate to another... Unless and until someone objects, I'm staying here too; much bigger audience :) The reason the home-made tees don't do for the long haul is because the commercially made ones are screen printed from the design and I believe they are sealed with extreme steam or heat (I could be wrong, but think that is the reason). There; I knew there had to be a reason why I had no trouble with my stash of them. One has to choose a good, commercial tee shirt printer, and the initial rum is no less than 100 to be economically viable. Then we come to the sizes: small, medium, large, XL, XXL, and how many of each to include in the initial printing of 100. The XL and XXL cost more as well. However, another organization I belong to, made a neat profit on our first printing of 100. Tamara, shall you and I become entrepreneurs? g Well, the two of us had rubbed well before, I don't see why we couldn't do it again, for gain... :) *If* there's an interest in the resulting product... What we would need -- from Arachne at large -- is: a) suggestions for the early learning stage nightmares that ought to be included in the lace pictured (I'd try to do my best to design a pattern using as many of those as possible) b) suggestions for the recipient of profit (if any) -- Arachne as such has no legal body to receive it, nor do we need the money, since Liz Reynolds keeps shelling out for the domain. Many of you may not be familiar with Betty Ann -- she doesn't post too often -- but those of us Down South and in the North Carolina Region Lace Guild do know her. She has -- recently -- designed a logo pin for the guild *and* organised its execution (staunchly refusing to accept a product that wasn't just so g) at very reasonable rates... She has the necessary 'puter skills to tweak any of my ideas into shape, and we live near enough (within my driving distance g) one another to communicate beyond e-mail... So... The first question is: would any of you be interested in buying T-shirt designed along the lines proposed so far? - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] New Oxymoron!
I feel just like Christopher Columbus. I have discovered a new, never before thought up oxymoron! Bad chocolate I think no one has discovered this before now because no one ever thought to put those two words together! Pam Dotson Everett, WA USA To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] New Oxymoron!
Alas, the concept does exist. Try: too waxy, off-flavor, stale On the other hand, TOO CHOCOLATEY is incomprehensible... Bad chocolate I think no one has discovered this before now because no one ever thought to put those two words together! Someone asked me the other day if a dessert was too chocolatey?! I said I didn't understand that concept! Sue To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Martha Krieg [EMAIL PROTECTED] in Michigan To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: New Oxymoron!
On Saturday, Dec 13, 2003, at 16:09 US/Eastern, Martha Krieg wrote: Alas, the concept does exist. Try: too waxy, off-flavor, stale On the other hand, TOO CHOCOLATEY is incomprehensible... I wonder if I could possibly be the only one here for whom too chocolatey is a perfectly comprehensible description... :) To me, chocolate is OK, but only when mixed with other flavours; can't abide chocolate cake with chocolate icing. Every Halloween, I have a few of the miniature Milky Ways left over, and over the next month or so, eat them up. That's my chocolate fix for six months. In the spring, I buy myself a 1.2-1 lb bag of dark chocolate-covered apricots and dark chocolate-covered citrus peel and I'm done till Halloween. At that, I eat more chocolate now than I did as a child; then, I liked only hard candy (fruit flavoured) and, every once in a while, caramels. The only chocolate I'd eat with pleasure were the cherries, covered with chocolate (again, dark, semi-sweet. Can't stand milk chocolate) and filled with cherry liqueur. But, as those were extremely hard to find in Poland of my childhood, I don't think I had more that total of 10 until I came here at 23. And, since then, about 4-5 a year is my limit - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Chocolate
My ultimate topper for a dinner party. Drain a tin of lychees, then place the lychees on paper towels for at least an hour to dry further. Stuff with slivers of crystalised ginger Dip in melted dark chocolate and place on aluminium foil . Place in refrigerator to set the chocolate. Serve with coffee as an after dinner treat. They don't keep more than 24 hours, the lychees continue to weep fluid and will eventually come through the chocolate. But they never last longer than the night I serve them anyway. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ I don't know of a problem that can't be solved by chocolate. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
