Re: [lace] Patterns' sending -- help?

2007-01-07 Thread Jo Falkink

perhaps www.pdf995.com can help

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[lace] Re: Patterns' sending -- help?

2007-01-07 Thread Tamara P Duvall

On Jan 8, 2007, at 0:16, Joy Beeson wrote:


Have you tried pasting the text into an e-mail?


 That seems to be a "worth trying" consensus. I have not tried it 
yet on this round because, like the RTF, it had gummed up the works for 
Debra all those years ago. My *e-mail* is set to "plain text"; my 
Appleworks writing program is set to "who the heck knows?". When I copy 
and paste from it into an e-mail, I lose some things, like underline, 
bold, italics. I could live with that (though not happily; such losses 
in my everyday "breathless prose" are piddling but when I want people 
to remember to do something "just so"... They loom ). What I have 
more trouble living with is both -- losing the expression *and* adding 
wiggles which don't show up on my screen but pop up, like malignant 
gremlins, on other people's...


OTOH It had been 2 yrs ago... Things have changed since (updates 
happened), so, who knows... :)

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Re: [lace] Patterns' sending -- help?

2007-01-07 Thread Joy Beeson

Tamara P Duvall wrote:

But I wonder if there's a better way? One where a single 
Mac-conversion would work for every Windows user?


It's called "plain text", otherwise known as ASCII (American
 Standard Code for Information Interchange.)  (Middle of
that translation very doubtful, but that's the general
idea.)  (The "A" is why ASCII lacks several dozen essential
characters, which causes very queer spellings on Usenet.)

Every word processor worthy of not being flung off a tall
building can save in plain ASCII.  But most of them, if
given half a chance will say "Aw, but just so it won't be
*completely* plain . . . "




(WTF *is* RTF, anyway?)


Microsoft's way of saying "Aw, but just so it won't be
*completely* plain . . . "

RTF never stands for the same thing twice.  Do not use RTF 
for any purpose.



So I have little hope for the HTML option (plus I have a 
dislike of spending 120 KB for a message which, in plain 
text, needs about 5) but, if y'all think *that* would 
work...


Hypertext was *supposed* to be plain text with a very few 
codes added -- "" to mark the beginning of a paragraph, 
for example.  But machine-generated HTML is almost certainly 
 one of the bastard programs that try to integrate 
hypertext with graphic design -- hence the enormous 
expansion of the file size.  But it would *probably* work.


Afterthought:  I went back to your message, clicked on "view 
source" -- and it's ASCII!


Have you tried pasting the text into an e-mail?

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RE: [lace] new person wishing to join Arachne.

2007-01-07 Thread Avital
Send me her address and I'll subscribe her.

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[lace] Re: Question re Old Toender Pricking

2007-01-07 Thread Tamara P Duvall

On Jan 7, 2007, at 14:11, Barbara Joyce wrote:

David emailed a scan of the portion of his pricking that he is asking 
about.


Here's the URL:

http://homepage.mac.com/bejoyce/tonderdetail.jpg


I have finally managed to dig through enough tasks to take a peek at 
the pricking and recognized the arrangement of the dots immediately, 
because the book had been sitting at my kitchen table for a week now -- 
I'm thinking of using that filling in a pattern of my own, and have 
been slowly digesting it with my breakfast bagels :)


The book is "Parijse Kant", by Jan Geelen. So this filling may not be 
*the* filling meant for that particular pricking, since Tönder is a 
Point Ground lace. But it's, definitely, an option and would, probably, 
look quite nice with h.st petals (in the book, it's used as a centre of 
a flower also, but the petals are in cl.st).


These little do-dads *might* be the "little snowflakes" that Alice was 
talking about; can't be sure, since I don't have the book she found 
them in. Nor can I read the text in my book -- it's all Dutch to me :)


Anyway, I'll take Barbara at her word:


I'll be interested to hear what other ideas we can come up with for the
treatment of the center of the flower.


and presume on her generosity. I'll send her a scan (hurrah for 
Christmas gifts to self ) of the relevant bits and hope she can post 
them on the same page, next to the pricking, as one possible solution 
to David's problem, for everyone to see. I'll CC the scan to David 
directly, too.

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[lace] Re: new person wishing to join Arachne.

2007-01-07 Thread Tamara P Duvall

On Jan 7, 2007, at 20:13, Patsy A. Goodman wrote:


Hi,

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[lace] Robyn - Question re Old Toender Pricking

2007-01-07 Thread David in Ballarat

Robyn,

Personally, I'd ignore the dots and fill the center with halfstitch.  I
don't think lines of pinchain are an appropriate filling for the disk
of a sunflower--the tiny flowers of the disk are arranged in spirals.
I think half-stitch would look good in there, even if it's not
traditional Tonder that way.


I could do that. However, not being an absolute purist myself, I tend 
to make these sorts of prickings into something more like Chantilly, 
in which case, I shall definitely be using half-stitch fillings for 
the petals (so much more forgiving than whole-stitch). Ilske has 
kindly sent me a number of fillings that would be accommodated by these dots.


I had already considered square tallies. But there are already quite 
a lot of leaf tallies in the pricking, and frankly, I was hoping to 
avoid any more :)

David

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[lace] Patterns' sending -- help?

2007-01-07 Thread Tamara P Duvall

Gentle Spiders,

So, I've started to to send out some patterns (several aren't ready for 
sending out yet; be patient if you haven't heard from me) and ran into 
trouble. Not with the scanning part -- that seems to be working just 
fine. It's the text that's a problem.


I don't want to send the text as a scan attachment; not only is it less 
clear but it gulps Megabytes like there was no tomorrow, quite 
unnecessarily. I want to send the text as a document. Trouble is, my 
(Mac OSX) documents give the Windows-driven 'puters (majority) hissy 
fits of heroic proportions, same as my Mac absolutely refuses to deal 
with things like pps files (it tells me to save it, presumably for 
further twiddling elsewhere and rests on its laurels, confident that I 
won't have a clue how to do it and will give up)


I've been told I need to convert my documents into something the rest 
of you can read... I am willing to try (though feel more compassion for 
Job than ever ) but, given my own 'puter-ignorance, it ain't gonna 
be easy and I need y'all's help again.


My Mac has the possibility of converting to several diffrent, 
system-specific documents. For example, when I e-mail my instructions 
to Debra Jenny (the IOLI Bulletin editor), I send them in a Word 
Windows XP 2002 format  (which is supposed to be good also for Word 
Windows 97 and 2000).


My other options are a few older Mac-ways (earlier Appleworks, Claris, 
and two Word Macs -- 6 and 98/2000), Word Windows 6, 95, and 3 others: 
HTML, RTF and Text. The person who told me I had to convert Mac 
documents into Windows documents said to use Text (well, she said use 
"really simple text", but that's WIndows-speak that Mac doesn't 
understand ). But, when I sent converted-to-Text file to the person 
who couldn't open the Mac document, she said her puter rejected it even 
faster :) We ended up with my sending her the XP conversion, which she 
then took into something like "workpad" for clean-up and managed to get 
the text all printed out nicely.


But I wonder if there's a better way? One where a single Mac-conversion 
would work for every Windows user? Because my Mac... he seems to think 
he's lowering his standards already to make (and give houseroom to) 
*one* conversion.  I have to remove *that* conversion (a pain in the 
neck as, for some reason, I can't simply drag it to trash from the 
Appleworks document "library"; I have to access it through a diffrent 
route), before I'm allowed to make another one. I kind-a agree with Mac 
-- since every new conversion is another duplicate of the original 
document, one is more than enough -- but that doesn't solve my problem.


Unless I find a single method of sending files to all Windows-users, 
I'll be doing nothing but converting, removing, converting to something 
else and removing again before making yet another conversion... 
Time-wise and effort-wise it just isn't on the cards, at least not long 
term. For the moment, I'll try to remember to ask everyone what sort of 
set up they have and hope the conversion works but, in the long run, 
that's not an efficient way of doing things.


Any suggestions?

PS I notice, in the new IOLI directory, in the "Guidelines for 
submitting articles to the Bulletin" the following: "if appending a 
file, please send in text or RTF format".


Well, the Text file, Mac-version, was a bomb with at least one user. 
The Mac-version of RTF (WTF *is* RTF, anyway?)... When I tried it on 
Debra, a couple of years ago, she said she had problems with *it*, too, 
which is why we switched to the Word Windows XP.


So I have little hope for the HTML option (plus I have a dislike of 
spending 120 KB for a message which, in plain text, needs about 5) but, 
if y'all think *that* would work...

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[lace] new person wishing to join Arachne.

2007-01-07 Thread Patsy A. Goodman

Hi,

I have been informed that Irma Osterman wishes to become part of the Arachne 
list.  I sent what little information I had about subscribing but she had no 
luck with that.  I sent these two address's:


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She said she had a Mac computer and was wondering if that had anything to do 
with it.


Can someone send me the correct information on how to join the group, 
please.  Thank you in advance.


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Re: [lace] straight v diagonal update

2007-01-07 Thread Jenny Brandis
Oh No! lol, just when I was feeling so good about my maths :) Oh 
well, back to the ruler and this time I do better - I promise :)


Everyone, pls disregard the table at the bottom of my webpage for the 
few hours until I can update it with accurate info. Thank you Brenda 
for bringing it to my attention so quickly - hopefully I have not 
given a bum steer to anyone else yet.


Jenny B in Noisy (cicada) Kununurra, Western Australia

At 05:07 AM 8/01/2007, Brenda Paternoster wrote:

Hi Jenny

Glad the penny's dropped for you.  Just one thing - when you said 
(on the web page)


Now that I finally got my head around that it was a simple case of 
measuring to see the distances between dot A and dot B. I however 
chose to measure over a distance of 10 dots and divided by 10 to 
give me a more precise measurement.


You measured 10 gaps, ie dot 1 along to dot 11 and not the distance 
along 10 dots.


The table from page 8 of Threads for Lace is also to be found at
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/lace/threadsize/threadsize.html

Brenda



You have all been very patient with my questions about grids and 
the differences between straight and diagonal etc. Finally a light 
bulb went off and the results are viewable at 
http://www.brandis.com.au/craft/lace/grids.html


Maybe, just maybe, my questions and your answers will make sense to 
someone else. :)


Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html



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Re: [lace] Sunflower from 'Lace with Paper Strings'

2007-01-07 Thread Patricia Ann Fisher
Jean,

A very nice framing job! My late mum would have loved your work as
sunflowers were her favorite flower! Great work! Nice to hear of new ideas
for finishing off lace other than in a regular frame. I have a Kortelati
pattern of violets that I've always been meaning to make and now I have a
great idea on how to finish it off. Now to find the time to make lace!

Trish in rainy West Virginia USA where it's finally getting colder!

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Re: [lace] Question re Old Toender Pricking

2007-01-07 Thread Alice Howell
Hi David,

I went through my Tonder patterns and books.  I found
a pattern that had a grid of dots that I think matches
what you described.  The dots are parallel to, and
spaced the same as, the dots along the edge row on the
pattern.

The picture and diagram show a snowflake ground. 
Looking at the grid like a checkerboard with the pins
at the corners, the black squares had round snowflakes
made with four pair, and the white squares just had
two pair crossing in the middle.

I'm looking at a pattern from 'Onder de loep' by Nora
Andries.  It's a pack of one book and two packets of
patterns.  This is pattern 37 from Patronen II.  Maybe
someone who also has this book can scan and send you a
copy of that part of the diagram.  It's the middle
leaf, right on the fold, that I'm referring to. 
Detail 'p'. 

By the way, I did find half stitch used to fill the
center of some flowers, but the patterns just had a
ring of pinholes surrounding the area.

Best wishes for your lace,
Alice in Oregon -- with a steady downpour all day. 
I'm tired of rain.

--- David in Ballarat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are no working diagrams - just the dots. Thank
> goodness the 
> gimp lines are there. I can easily figure out all
> the point ground 
> areas, honeycomb, leaves etc. However, there is one
> area which is 
> worrying me. It's difficult to describe verbally,
> but it you can 
> imagine a large-ish circular flower of 8 petals. The
> central circle 
> is about 1" in diameter. It is the dots inside this
> central area that 
> I need help with. 

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Re: [lace] straight v diagonal update

2007-01-07 Thread Brenda Paternoster

Hi Jenny

Glad the penny's dropped for you.  Just one thing - when you said (on 
the web page)


Now that I finally got my head around that it was a simple case of 
measuring to see the distances between dot A and dot B. I however chose 
to measure over a distance of 10 dots and divided by 10 to give me a 
more precise measurement.


You measured 10 gaps, ie dot 1 along to dot 11 and not the distance 
along 10 dots.


The table from page 8 of Threads for Lace is also to be found at
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/lace/threadsize/threadsize.html

Brenda



You have all been very patient with my questions about grids and the 
differences between straight and diagonal etc. Finally a light bulb 
went off and the results are viewable at 
http://www.brandis.com.au/craft/lace/grids.html


Maybe, just maybe, my questions and your answers will make sense to 
someone else. :)




Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html

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[lace] Re: Question re Old Toender Pricking

2007-01-07 Thread robinlace
From: Barbara Joyce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> David emailed a scan of the portion of his pricking that he is 
> asking about.

As shown in Barbara's website, it does look like pinchain.  However, 
from David's description, I wonder if the picture isn't rotated 90 
degrees.  It sounded to me like the lines of pinholes were horizontal, 
not vertical.

Personally, I'd ignore the dots and fill the center with halfstitch.  I 
don't think lines of pinchain are an appropriate filling for the disk 
of a sunflower--the tiny flowers of the disk are arranged in spirals.  
I think half-stitch would look good in there, even if it's not 
traditional Tonder that way.

Thanks for posting it so we could see it.

Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA
(formerly  Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)
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Re: [lace] Question re Old Toender Pricking

2007-01-07 Thread Barbara Joyce
David emailed a scan of the portion of his pricking that he is asking about.

Here's the URL:

http://homepage.mac.com/bejoyce/tonderdetail.jpg

I'll be interested to hear what other ideas we can come up with for the
treatment of the center of the flower.

Barbara Joyce

Snoqualmie, WA
USA

> Dear Friends,
> I am spending a couple of days preparing an old Toender pricking
> which I've had for some years. This is a beautiful edging just over
> 3" deep and I am told was of lace which belonged to a Comtesse
> Ahlefedt-Laurvigen - there are a number of possibilities from which to choose.
> 
> There are no working diagrams - just the dots. Thank goodness the
> gimp lines are there. I can easily figure out all the point ground
> areas, honeycomb, leaves etc. However, there is one area which is
> worrying me. It's difficult to describe verbally, but it you can
> imagine a large-ish circular flower of 8 petals. The central circle
> is about 1" in diameter. It is the dots inside this central area that
> I need help with. They are simply arranged in parallel lines like this:
> 
>  . . . . .
>  . .
> . . . . . . .
>  . .
> . . . . . . .
>  . .
> . . . . . . . . . . .
>  . .
> . . . . . . . . . . .
>  . .
> . . . . . . . . . . .
>  . .
> . . . . . . .
>  . .
> . . . . . . .
>  . . . . .
> 
> What would you recommend doing with them??
> David in Ballarat
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Re: [lace] Design Programs

2007-01-07 Thread bevw
My short answer is - Lace 2000 will likely be more accessible to you.
Knipling is a powerful program and you do have to buy the demo version from
the publisher in Germany. As to use - I have tried both and L-2K was easier
to use for me. If I was more familiar with CAD programs, then Knipling would
be my choice. My personal favourite, and I use it as easily as pencil and
paper, is Easy Lace.
You can check out Jo's excellent précis of lace software here:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~falkink/lace/SoftKlos-EN.html


> decide which to buy. I am looking at lace 2000 of knipling. would anybody
> who
>


--
Bev peaking out from yet another storm in Sooke BC (on Vancouver Island,
west coast of Canada)

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Re: [lace] Sunflower from 'Lace with Paper Strings'

2007-01-07 Thread Barron
I've just uploaded my sunflower from Eva Kortelahti's 'Lace with Paper
Strings' to my album on Arachne webshots. Shows the mounting very well. The
petals and leaves still need a bit of smoothing, but my fingers have gone on
strike for now. I chose to use yellow for the petals rather than the orange
shown in the book.

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 


just in case anyone needs the
link

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2837073670048870129eFJRjo
lovely sunflower Jean, makes me think of summer
jenny barron
NE Scotland

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Re: [lace] Sunflower from 'Lace with Paper Strings'

2007-01-07 Thread Jean Nathan
Very easy. The wood's quite soft and easy to sand any rough bits off. I placed
the frame against thepricking to mark where I wanted the holes (every 4th loop
on the edging) and then used a bradawl to make an indent to guide the drill.
Used a mini handheld electric drill with a reasonable sized bit so that a
needle could be passed both ways and without snagging the thread already there
on the way from the inside to the outside.

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK
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  Lovely Jean, the Siesta frame has worked well. Was it difficult to
  drill holes through the bars? I've only worked a couple of the
  butterflies from Kortelahti's book and found it quite a fiddle opening
  out the paper string. The square framed pictures are on my to do list
  one day.

  Eve
  London, UK.

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Re: [lace] Sunflower from 'Lace with Paper Strings'

2007-01-07 Thread Eve Morton
Lovely Jean, the Siesta frame has worked well. Was it difficult to 
drill holes through the bars? I've only worked a couple of the 
butterflies from Kortelahti's book and found it quite a fiddle opening 
out the paper string. The square framed pictures are on my to do list 
one day.

Eve
London, UK.

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[lace] Sunflower from 'Lace with Paper Strings'

2007-01-07 Thread Jean Nathan
I've just uploaded my sunflower from Eva Kortelahti's 'Lace with Paper 
Strings' to my album on Arachne webshots. Shows the mounting very well. The 
petals and leaves still need a bit of smoothing, but my fingers have gone on 
strike for now. I chose to use yellow for the petals rather than the orange 
shown in the book.


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 


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[lace] Design Software

2007-01-07 Thread Jean Nathan

Linda wrote:

decide which to buy. I am looking at lace 2000 of knipling. would anybody 
who

uses either of these programs give me some feedback on them please.>

If you go to the Arachne mail archive:

http://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/maillist.html#03505

and type  Lace 2000 in the search box, you'll see all the discussions we've 
had on this program - 10 pages of them - the most recent being in August 
2006.


Do the same searching for Knipling - that has been discussed too.

It's worth looking at the archive because people might not now remember 
everything they said about each program and something important might be 
missed. Any soecific questions, please ask.


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 


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Re: [lace] Question re Old Toender Pricking

2007-01-07 Thread Ilske Thomsen

Hello David,
Sorry but I am not sure what I shall see. There are a few dotts abave 
and than some rows with a space in the middle and always two dots.
Could you take a foto and create a foto album and there we see the 
pricking itself.


Ilske from grey, grey Hamburg in Germany

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[lace] Design Programs

2007-01-07 Thread Linda Thomson
hello all,
I am thinking of buying a design program and would like some info to help me
decide which to buy. I am looking at lace 2000 of knipling. would anybody who
uses either of these programs give me some feedback on them please.
linda

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[lace] Lace with paper strings revisited comment

2007-01-07 Thread Jean Nathan

Janice wrote:

somewhere

that we could all see it for those of us who are challenged with
visualisation. Sounds intriguing.>

I'll put it on the webshots as soon as I've finished unravelling the strings 
to make the petals and leaves. Did about half last night and went to bed 
with a very painful shoulder - it's quite fiddly. Hope to get the rest done 
today. The mounting went very smoothly running a double thread through every 
fourth edge loop and through the holes in the frame.


I intend to make another one of the series, but I'll reduce the pricking a 
fraction. Although the one I did is nice and taught inside the fram, it fits 
right up to the frame on the inside. I think I'd like a small gap as shown 
in the pictures of the finished ones in the book.


The frame is thicker than the ones in the book, but it looks fine. I 
couldnlt fine anything ready-made that would suit. I'd need to be a lot 
better at woodwork (or DH would need to be) to make the kind of frame in the 
book, which slots together rather like those three-tiered small ornament 
shelves that were popular in the 1960s. DH is fine with metal because, if he 
makes a mistake, he can weld a bit back on, but he can't do that with wood!!


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 


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[lace] straight v diagonal update

2007-01-07 Thread Jenny Brandis

Hi there

You have all been very patient with my questions about grids and the 
differences between straight and diagonal etc. Finally a light bulb 
went off and the results are viewable at 
http://www.brandis.com.au/craft/lace/grids.html


Maybe, just maybe, my questions and your answers will make sense to 
someone else. :)



Jenny Brandis
Kununurra, Western Australia

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