[lace] instructions
Regarding instructions, many lace "patterns" don't seem to include them! Hi Susan You comment on the lack of instructions with patterns. The comment that the instructions are found in books is very relevant. Many lace books are written with the patterns in a progressive order so that patterns later in the book involve techniques already covered earlier in the book so the last pattern may involve the majority of those explained previously. If the pattern was sold as a one-off it would need the whole book to support it. One-off patterns are just that, they are not teaching books. I suggest you invest in a good instruction book and work through it pattern by pattern, learning each technique thoroughly as you go. The lace workers used to insist that a yard of each new pattern had to be worked in order to learn the techniques and build up speed; I have found that, if there are only 2-3 new techniques in a piece than 4-5 repeats are all that are necessary. Once you understand the techniques you can make anything. One of my students, who was making Bucks, went to one of Pam Nottingham,s courses to start floral Bucks. But Pam said she had to learn to ,read, a geometrical Bucks pattern, (i.e. understand how to make a piece when presented with the pricking only â no picture of the lace, no instructions) before she would teach her. (I had already told her that but she thought she could take a short cut.) Have fun Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] instructions
On the subject of designing and writing instructions for working the piece: I think there are two classes of designs -- those for beginners or near beginners, and those for advanced lacemakers. A design which contains only simple techniques will appeal to beginners, who need very full instructions. If a design for free/part lace includes raised work, or anything non-typical, then I think you only need specify the size thread you used and the maximum number of bobbins for each part. And perhaps an indication of working order. Also any really unusual techniques might have a diagram. I don't think one should expect a beginner to work a Flanders pattern or a piece with raised work. An experienced lacemaker doesn't need full instructions, but just hints for the hard parts. I don't think it is reasonable for a beginner to expect to learn basic bobbin lace techniques from a pattern published in the bulletin. It seems to me that these contests serve to inspire lacemakers to add to the wealth of designs that all lacemakers can draw from. They are contemporary additions to the tradition. I think it reasonable to assume that it is experienced lacemakers who will be interested in the patterns. Beginners should be working through a book aimed at beginners, so that she or he can master the basic set of techniques that all lacemakers should learn. My personal view is that a beginner shouldn't expect to learn bobbin lace by tackling difficult innovative patterns. Anyway, that is my not-particularly-humble opinion. Those of you who are contributing to the contest are doing us all a favor by creating new designs. Don't demand of yourself that you write a book of all bobbin lace technique to accompany your pattern. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Instructions
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lorelei Halley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > I don't think it is >reasonable for a beginner to expect to learn basic bobbin lace techniques >from a pattern published in the bulletin. > Beginners should be >working through a book aimed at beginners, so that she or he can master the >basic set of techniques that all lacemakers should learn. I hope I am reading this wrong. As a teacher, I introduce my students to the magazines I have access to - with the hope that they will subscribe/join the organisation - and likewise, when demonstrating (usually for The Lace Guild) hope to gain new members. How many times I have heard a lacemaker say "but I'm only a beginner.." as if the magazines were *only* for the experienced, and that membership of whatever guild or society is far beyond their reach. This is, and should be, far from the truth - though if the only patterns published are for experienced lacemakers, because of the attitude that beginners should be working through books it makes me wonder! Books which often too expensive for beginners' budgets will be available to them through the libraries of the various guilds and organisations, and this is one reason in favour of their joining - but if the magazine, which is what they see as "what they get in return for their subscription" is way above their standard, they are put off joining. I do not subscribe to IOLI, but I do hope that as with Lace, (The Lace Guild's magazine), the editor has a brief to include some patterns suitable for beginners as well as the more advanced - simple patterns are quite often more effective than the difficult, complicated ones - and help to encourage new members at the stage in their lacemaking that they need most support. Maybe they are not learning new techniques from the magazine, but using it to complement a book and give further practice pieces - but there have been a number of people who have successfully learnt new techniques in this way (Jean Leader's series on Bucks Point, published in Lace before the book was compiled, is a very solid example). Not everyone has access to a teacher, or another live lacemaker, and in these cases a magazine can be a lifeline. One of the reasons why I like the Canadian Lacemaker Gazette is that it is one of the few that doesn't make a beginner run a mile! -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] instructions
Sent from my iPad Catherine Barley Needlelace www.catherinebarley.com > On 20 Mar 2017, at 09:37, Alex Stillwell wrote: > > Regarding instructions, many lace "patterns" don't seem to include them! Many > lace books are written with the patterns in a progressive order so that > patterns later in the book involve techniques already covered earlier in the > book so the last pattern may > involve the majority of those explained previously. If the pattern was sold as > a one-off it would need the whole book to support it. I agree with Alex on this one as a great deal of thought goes into writing a 'how to/instruction book' and a good book will have patterns with instructions in a progressive order, each pattern building on previous knowledge whilst introducing a new technique. Catherine Barley Henley-on-Thames, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] instructions
I also think the way people learn to make lace is an issue. I learned in England and was given a pricking and taught to look at the original lace / photo of lace and see what stitches were worked at each pinhole, and also taught how to start and finish in various ways. Written instructions and working diagrams were not provided. Since moving to America, I have discovered that generally people here are not taught this way and expect complete working diagrams and detailed instructions for each piece, which facilitates working at home, but tends to make cause dependence on these instructions and does not readily enable one to carry the ideas from one piece of lace forward to another piece of lace. This then means that it is much harder to share one's own patterns with other people readily, as it is much easier to produce a pricking than a working diagram Sue suebabbs...@gmail.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] instructions
When I first started learning (teaching myself from the old Golden Hands magazines), I heard about a lace workshop and went to see and to talk to the teacher. She was whizzing round the room from student to student and for most of them the instruction was along the lines of "do cross twist cross to the next pin hole and then I'll be back" or whatever they were supposed to be doing. When she had a moment and spoke to me I showed her what I had done - her response "Not very good is it. Of course you can't do good lace if you don't use linen thread". I admit it wasn't very good, I'd only been trying for about 2 weeks, but I did understand what I was doing. When we formed a group a couple of months later, several of those ladies were stuck - didn't know what to do or how to do it; didn't know what the stitches were called; didn't understand the concept of finishing one motif before doing the next bit, etc. etc. etc. The couple of ladies in the group who had perhaps made a little lace before the workshop had to help the others and it was several month before the bookmarks were even close to being completed in many cases. Malvary in Ottawa where it is going from -6 this morning to +6 by this afternoon. Nice bright sunny day. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] instructions
Absolutely, I agree with Alex. Lorelei -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Alex Stillwell Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 4:38 AM Subject: [lace] instructions Many lace books are written with the patterns in a progressive order so that patterns later in the book involve techniques already covered earlier in the book so the last pattern may involve the majority of those explained previously. If the pattern was sold as a one-off it would need the whole book to support it. One-off patterns are just that, they are not teaching books. I suggest you invest in a good instruction book and work through it pattern by pattern, learning each technique thoroughly as you go. The lace workers used to insist that a yard of each new pattern had to be worked in order to learn the techniques and build up speed; I have found that, if there are only 2-3 new techniques in a piece than 4-5 repeats are all that are necessary. Once you understand the techniques you can make anything. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Instructions
Hey, I could really use some instructions on how to do bobbin lace. Advanced patterns really won't do it. I haven't been able to find any in a single fabric or craft shop. Dora - Original Message - From: "Jane Partridge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 6:05 PM Subject: [lace] Instructions > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lorelei Halley > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > > I don't think it is > >reasonable for a beginner to expect to learn basic bobbin lace techniques > >from a pattern published in the bulletin. > > > Beginners should be > >working through a book aimed at beginners, so that she or he can master the > >basic set of techniques that all lacemakers should learn. > > I hope I am reading this wrong. As a teacher, I introduce my students > to the magazines I have access to - with the hope that they will > subscribe/join the organisation - and likewise, when demonstrating > (usually for The Lace Guild) hope to gain new members. How many times I > have heard a lacemaker say "but I'm only a beginner.." as if the > magazines were *only* for the experienced, and that membership of > whatever guild or society is far beyond their reach. This is, and > should be, far from the truth - though if the only patterns published > are for experienced lacemakers, because of the attitude that beginners > should be working through books it makes me wonder! Books which often > too expensive for beginners' budgets will be available to them through > the libraries of the various guilds and organisations, and this is one > reason in favour of their joining - but if the magazine, which is what > they see as "what they get in return for their subscription" is way > above their standard, they are put off joining. > > I do not subscribe to IOLI, but I do hope that as with Lace, (The Lace > Guild's magazine), the editor has a brief to include some patterns > suitable for beginners as well as the more advanced - simple patterns > are quite often more effective than the difficult, complicated ones - > and help to encourage new members at the stage in their lacemaking that > they need most support. Maybe they are not learning new techniques from > the magazine, but using it to complement a book and give further > practice pieces - but there have been a number of people who have > successfully learnt new techniques in this way (Jean Leader's series on > Bucks Point, published in Lace before the book was compiled, is a very > solid example). Not everyone has access to a teacher, or another live > lacemaker, and in these cases a magazine can be a lifeline. > > One of the reasons why I like the Canadian Lacemaker Gazette is that it > is one of the few that doesn't make a beginner run a mile! > > -- > Jane Partridge > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Instructions
Good morning All, To Dora and others who have been talking about beginners instructions for bobbin lace, some of the best and least expensive instruction books fro the various lace techniques are those published by the Lace Guild in UK. You do not have to be a member of the Guild to buy them. Some, like Jean Leaders book on Bucks Point are compilations of a series from the magazine. Others were specially commissioned. Even for a fairly experienced lace maker they are very handy to check up on a particular point, if you haven't made that lace for a while. See the Lace Guild web site at www.thelaceguild.org Jean in Cleveland U.K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 03:04 AM, Dora Smith wrote: Hey, I could really use some instructions on how to do bobbin lace. Advanced patterns really won't do it. I haven't been able to find any in a single fabric or craft shop. Dora - Original Message - From: "Jane Partridge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 6:05 PM Subject: [lace] Instructions In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lorelei Halley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes I don't think it is reasonable for a beginner to expect to learn basic bobbin lace techniques from a pattern published in the bulletin. Beginners should be working through a book aimed at beginners, so that she or he can master the basic set of techniques that all lacemakers should learn. I hope I am reading this wrong. As a teacher, I introduce my students to the magazines I have access to - with the hope that they will subscribe/join the organisation - and likewise, when demonstrating (usually for The Lace Guild) hope to gain new members. How many times I have heard a lacemaker say "but I'm only a beginner.." as if the magazines were *only* for the experienced, and that membership of whatever guild or society is far beyond their reach. This is, and should be, far from the truth - though if the only patterns published are for experienced lacemakers, because of the attitude that beginners should be working through books it makes me wonder! Books which often too expensive for beginners' budgets will be available to them through the libraries of the various guilds and organisations, and this is one reason in favour of their joining - but if the magazine, which is what they see as "what they get in return for their subscription" is way above their standard, they are put off joining. I do not subscribe to IOLI, but I do hope that as with Lace, (The Lace Guild's magazine), the editor has a brief to include some patterns suitable for beginners as well as the more advanced - simple patterns are quite often more effective than the difficult, complicated ones - and help to encourage new members at the stage in their lacemaking that they need most support. Maybe they are not learning new techniques from the magazine, but using it to complement a book and give further practice pieces - but there have been a number of people who have successfully learnt new techniques in this way (Jean Leader's series on Bucks Point, published in Lace before the book was compiled, is a very solid example). Not everyone has access to a teacher, or another live lacemaker, and in these cases a magazine can be a lifeline. One of the reasons why I like the Canadian Lacemaker Gazette is that it is one of the few that doesn't make a beginner run a mile! -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Cantu Lace instructions
Dear Lorelei and Arachne members. The Subject has been changed, so this will file under Cantu.in our archives, Because others may be interested in Cantu lace making, I have spent several hours on Lorri's Cantu lace problem. Not on the translation (Thank You, Lorelei!), but on what could be available from which a student could learn Cantu. Following are a couple of ideas I sent privately to Lorri, that Lorelei (managing laceioli.ning.com) might like to capture for future Cantu and Italian lace questions: 1. Jeanine Robertson in Canada, a member of Arachne, has a site devoted to Italian needlework that I suggest you look at. It will take you on a trip to Italy. She does Italian language translations. She writes for PieceWork magazine. italian-needlework.blogspot.com/ - 2. Books can be borrowed from the IOLI Library: http://www.internationalorganizationoflace.org/iolilibrarylist.pdf There is only one Cantu instruction book (other than Mary McPeek's) that I remembered might be available in the U.S. It is by Vera Cockyut, and can be found on page 18 of 80 in the IOLI Bobbin Lace list of books. If a member of IOLI is able to work from Vera's written class instructions, they might borrow from IOLI: B-341 Technique of Cantu Lace, 2000, English. 46 pages of technical notes and diagrams; 9 pages of prickings. - 3. You could ask at your local lace group if there is one of Vera's Cantu instruction books in your group's library. Or, someone may have it, and will make available to you? - 4. When you find any good lace book of instructions on any technique, look for a bibliography of other books that might compliment it. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center -- In a message dated 10/29/2014 1:05:57 P.M., lhal...@bytemeusa.com writes: Lorri, I have an Italian pamphlet called "Lavori i fuselli". Lavori is work, fuselli is bobbins, so "bobbin work". There are some Italian language magazines which occasionally have patterns for Cantu. But I'm not aware of a book. I assume you mean the kind of lace which is tape lace where threads are moved from one area to another by means of a rolled bundle so that no threads are cut out or added while the lace is in process. Mary McPeek's pamphlet is the only thing I know of. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions
Hi spiders, Just to let you know that when I spoke to Christine Springett not so long ago she said that they were not producing any more videos/DVDs. She said that as any production run is limited because the market is limited for specialist lace videos/DVDs this makes the costs prohibitive. A great pity as they are so useful. So if you are after one of them be quick, Usual disclaimers; I have no shares nor interests in the Springetts' business, etc. Joepie, East Sussex, UK -Original Message- From: jeria...@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:02 PM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless Then... drum roll... I discovered lace! And so for years, my knitting (or what was left of it) sat idle in an out-of-the way place. When I re-discovered it a few years ago, the earth had rotated many degrees, and charts had come into play!!! I took to them like a duck to water!!! Which is why now... I have a hard time plodding through the written out instructions of old lacemaker's patterns like these. Thank goodness for diagrams and charts!!! I guess this just proves that I'm a newbie after all! Clay --- - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions
This seems a really said thing when it is so easy to produce DVDs on a home computer. L Kind Regards Liz Baker thelace...@btinternet.com My chronicle of my bobbins can be found at my website: http://thelacebee.weebly.com/ --- On Fri, 4/3/11, J-D Hammett wrote: From: J-D Hammett Subject: Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions To: "Arachne" Date: Friday, 4 March, 2011, 17:25 Hi spiders, Just to let you know that when I spoke to Christine Springett not so long ago she said that they were not producing any more videos/DVDs. She said that as any production run is limited because the market is limited for specialist lace videos/DVDs this makes the costs prohibitive. A great pity as they are so useful. So if you are after one of them be quick, Usual disclaimers; I have no shares nor interests in the Springetts' business, etc. Joepie, East Sussex, UK -Original Message- From: jeria...@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:02 PM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless Then... drum roll... I discovered lace! And so for years, my knitting (or what was left of it) sat idle in an out-of-the way place. When I re-discovered it a few years ago, the earth had rotated many degrees, and charts had come into play!!! I took to them like a duck to water!!! Which is why now... I have a hard time plodding through the written out instructions of old lacemaker's patterns like these. Thank goodness for diagrams and charts!!! I guess this just proves that I'm a newbie after all! Clay --- - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions
Do you mean re-produce? As producing a good video is not easy at all. I once tried it myself for a very tiny peace of lace. There are lots of problems as threads are hardly visible by the camera, some movements are too quick to capture, the viewing angle, proper contrast. You have to cut and paste in a logical way, etc. So it takes a lot of time and as time is money... > This seems a really said thing when it is so easy to produce > DVDs on a home computer. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
Then... drum roll... I discovered lace! And so for years, my knitting (or what was left of it) sat idle in an out-of-the way place. When I re-discovered it a few years ago, the earth had rotated many degrees, and charts had come into play!!! I took to them like a duck to water!!! Which is why now... I have a hard time plodding through the written out instructions of old lacemaker's patterns like these. Thank goodness for diagrams and charts!!! I guess this just proves that I'm a newbie after all! Clay --- Another drum roll -- from Jeri! There are people who like written-out in plain language bobbin lace instructions. My first lacemaking books included the series from Christine Springett (England). They are still available, and she thought of every type of person's learning preference for making lace. Liberally illustrated with a picture of the finished lace, a pricking to copy, and a enlarged drawing of the pricking with clarifying notes in the margin. Plus a written set of instructions explaining every step for achieving the pictured results. >From my experience of learning to make lace in the 1980's, I would really recommend the following book to any beginner, so she can determine what her learning "style" is: "Lace for Children of all Ages" (72 pages), which has the famous beginner's snake, hearts, wedding horseshoes, edgings, Christmas items. And, if you have equipment to play it on, get the video "Successful Bobbin Lacemaking for all Occasions" that was made to go with "Lace for Children ". I still pop this video into a player when a beginner comes to visit. It is very "English", and makes me feel I've made a dream trip to lace fairy land. Starts with how to "manage" your pillow - thread, bobbins, cover cloths, etc. Someone who has been interrupted for several years can go back to it for a quick refresher course. You can stop it anywhere, and replay a section if you don't quite understand.This, and the book with the prickings can get you off to a good start. If you are not near a lace teacher or group, are a busy careerwoman, housebound, wanting to teach children, consider this.. Holly Van Sciver (lace supplier in the US) has a special list of the Springett books and videos at _www.vansciverbobbinlace.com_ (http://www.vansciverbobbinlace.com) Other Nations: Remember that the videos made for American equipment will not work. Buy videos made for your equipment. I believe these are still available to you. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
Jeri is absolutely right! There are several different type of learning preferences. I have a charming and very carefully written book by Jennifer Ford called, "A Detailed Guide to Point Ground Bobbin Lace". It was produced in 1986. It is spiral bound - on three sides!! The spiral bound pages of the long (top) side of the book contain detailed diagrams with each pin hole numbered. The smaller pages bound on the left side of the book contain written instructions for each of the five patterns, and beside each step, the lacemaker is referred to a "note". (It appears that three of the prickings have been cut out and are no longer with the book, but two of the prickings remain). The smaller pages bound on the right side of the book contain the "notes" which are specific instructions about how to do various stitches in Point Ground lace. It is arranged this way so that one could open the book to the diagram in question, open the instructions to the step in question, and open the notes to the particular stitch in question, and not have to flip back and forth. I have kept this book because it is so unusual. Has anyone ever worked with it? When I first learned to make lace, I had a borrowed copy of Jennifer Fisher's "Torchon Lace for Today", and I learned a great deal from that book! (Thanks, Tamara!!). Clay Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA USA Another drum roll -- from Jeri! There are people who like written-out in plain language bobbin lace instructions. My first lacemaking books included the series from Christine Springett (England). They are still available, and she thought of every type of person's learning preference for making lace. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
Jeri, Other Nations: Remember that the videos made for American equipment will not work. Buy videos made for your equipment. I believe these are still available to you. These days in Australia our digital TVs or Set Top Boxes can cope with either PAL or NTSC so it's no big deal any more. David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
At the turn of last century when the Princess pillows came out, the best known instruction book was the French DMC book by Dillmont. It was written with numbered step by step instructions. The Princess company used the method available. For many people, this can get them started. But, as mentioned before, people learn and think differently. Some people can never get past checking each step in the book, one by one, through the whole piece of lace. Independent working doesn't come. I'm happy that I live now, and have been exposed to different approaches, so I can use the method that seems most natural to me. Alice in Oregon ... getting ready to go to Disney World for a week and hoping for sun. I'll be off line during that time. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
Lucky you!! Wish the US was like that. lrb -Original Message- >From: David C COLLYER >Sent: Mar 4, 2011 10:55 AM >To: jeria...@aol.com, lace@arachne.com >Subject: Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless > >>Jeri, >> >>Other Nations: Remember that the videos made for American equipment will >>not work. Buy videos made for your equipment. I believe these are still >>available to you. > >These days in Australia our digital TVs or Set Top Boxes can cope >with either PAL or NTSC so it's no big deal any more. > >David in Ballarat > >- >To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: >unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to >arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: >http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
Every day I have to contend with the fact that people learn through different means and bearing in mind that lace is a physical movement of bobbins you would think that it would attract the same type of person but it simply doesn't. When we test our training for work we have to make sure that it satisfies certain criteria - mainly we use VARK (Visual, Auditory, wRitten/Reading and Kinestic) and and Honey Mumford's learning models (Activists, Pragmatists, Theorists and Reflectors. Listening to you guys it's great because you all talk about the different ways that you like to do things. When trying to explain Honey Mumford we use the tale of trying to learn to ride a bicycle - and you will all see yourselves in this one: Activists will grab the bike and try to ride it (falling off it and getting back on but keeping trying). Pragmatists will go and get all the bicycle riding studies and start a discussion group on the results of the studies, analysing the data from different sources. Theorists will buy the best book on bicycle riding and study it making sure that they have all the recommended equipment together before even attempting to unlock the bicycle from the gatepost. After all, if you get the right book you could do brain surgery ... Reflectors will stand back and observe the other people, those riding (and falling off the bike), those in the discussion group, those reading the book. They will then start to write down their observations and conclusions and producing data on their observations. So, which one are you? L Kind Regards Liz Baker thelace...@btinternet.com My chronicle of my bobbins can be found at my website: http://thelacebee.weebly.com/ --- On Fri, 4/3/11, Clay Blackwell wrote: From: Clay Blackwell Subject: Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless To: jeria...@aol.com Cc: lace@arachne.com Date: Friday, 4 March, 2011, 15:55 Jeri is absolutely right! There are several different type of learning preferences. I have a charming and very carefully written book by Jennifer Ford called, "A Detailed Guide to Point Ground Bobbin Lace". It was produced in 1986. It is spiral bound - on three sides!! The spiral bound pages of the long (top) side of the book contain detailed diagrams with each pin hole numbered. The smaller pages bound on the left side of the book contain written instructions for each of the five patterns, and beside each step, the lacemaker is referred to a "note". (It appears that three of the prickings have been cut out and are no longer with the book, but two of the prickings remain). The smaller pages bound on the right side of the book contain the "notes" which are specific instructions about how to do various stitches in Point Ground lace. It is arranged this way so that one could open the book to the diagram in question, open the instructions to the step in question, and open the notes to the particular stitch in question, and not have to flip back and forth. I have kept this book because it is so unusual. Has anyone ever worked with it? When I first learned to make lace, I had a borrowed copy of Jennifer Fisher's "Torchon Lace for Today", and I learned a great deal from that book! (Thanks, Tamara!!). Clay Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA USA > > Another drum roll -- from Jeri! There are people who like written-out in > plain language bobbin lace instructions. My first lacemaking books > included the series from Christine Springett (England). They are still available, > and she thought of every type of person's learning preference for making > lace. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
Clay and all, For now think I am way newer than you and without benefit of knowing how to knit or crochet, I really need the instructions and diagrams. My dear "teacher" in England is sooo patient with me, but if I didn't have her very detailed instructions, I would never have been able to complete my first ever angel!! I am very new and have not even gotten to the point where I can look at a pricking and determine what type lace it is. I have many prickings from a lady who had done lace for many many years and she had no diagrams or instructions for them. Until I learn more than I know now, these are a mystery to me. Sallie On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:02 AM, wrote: > Then... drum roll... I discovered lace! And so for years, my knitting > (or what was left of it) sat idle in an out-of-the way place. When I > re-discovered it a few years ago, the earth had rotated many degrees, > and charts had come into play!!! I took to them like a duck to water!!! > > Which is why now... I have a hard time plodding through the written out > instructions of old lacemaker's patterns like these. Thank goodness for > diagrams and charts!!! > I guess this just proves that I'm a newbie after all! > > Clay > --- > > Another drum roll -- from Jeri! There are people who like written-out in > plain language bobbin lace instructions. My first lacemaking books > included the series from Christine Springett (England). They are still > available, > and she thought of every type of person's learning preference for making > lace. > > Liberally illustrated with a picture of the finished lace, a pricking to > copy, and a enlarged drawing of the pricking with clarifying notes in the > margin. Plus a written set of instructions explaining every step for > achieving the pictured results. > > From my experience of learning to make lace in the 1980's, I would really > recommend the following book to any beginner, so she can determine what > her > learning "style" is: "Lace for Children of all Ages" (72 pages), which > has the famous beginner's snake, hearts, wedding horseshoes, edgings, > Christmas items. > > And, if you have equipment to play it on, get the video "Successful Bobbin > Lacemaking for all Occasions" that was made to go with "Lace for > Children ". I still pop this video into a player when a beginner > comes to > visit. It is very "English", and makes me feel I've made a dream trip to > lace > fairy land. Starts with how to "manage" your pillow - thread, bobbins, > cover cloths, etc. Someone who has been interrupted for several years can > go > back to it for a quick refresher course. You can stop it anywhere, and > replay a section if you don't quite understand.This, and the book > with > the prickings can get you off to a good start. If you are not near a lace > teacher or group, are a busy careerwoman, housebound, wanting to teach > children, consider this.. > > Holly Van Sciver (lace supplier in the US) has a special list of the > Springett books and videos at _www.vansciverbobbinlace.com_ > (http://www.vansciverbobbinlace.com) > > Other Nations: Remember that the videos made for American equipment will > not work. Buy videos made for your equipment. I believe these are still > available to you. > > Jeri Ames in Maine USA > Lace and Embroidery Resource Center > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: > http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
I am definitely an activist!! Cannot understand written instructions so I barge in and solve problems as they arrive!!! Jeanette Fischer, Western Cape, South Africa. >>Every day I have to contend with the fact that people learn through different means and bearing in mind that lace is a physical movement of bobbins you would think that it would attract the same type of person but it simply doesn't.>>> - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
I definitely started as an activist. Observed a demo and tried it from memory at home. But then I decided to be pragmatic and turned to a library. Jo > I am definitely an activist!! Cannot understand written > instructions so I barge in and solve problems as they arrive!!! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
Liz, I'd like to think that Pragmatists, in your example, might find a teacher and start riding with training wheels or someone to steady them. I don't think that only Activists would actually get on the bike--even Theorists and Reflectors might eventually! I say this because I might be considered somewhere between a Pragmatist and Theorist, in that I taught myself bobbin lace from books, even Flanders and Binche, only taking classes after starting each type from books. (Maybe a little bit of Activist since I have worked from a pricking without any diagrams or model/picture, but that was only Torchon.) Anyway, I'd like to think that all learning types would eventually get on the bike and learn to ride it themselves! Nancy Connecticut USA From: The Lace Bee To: jeria...@aol.com; Clay Blackwell Cc: lace@arachne.com Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 4:57:28 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless When trying to explain Honey Mumford we use the tale of trying to learn to ride a bicycle - and you will all see yourselves in this one: Activists will grab the bike and try to ride it (falling off it and getting back on but keeping trying). Pragmatists will go and get all the bicycle riding studies and start a discussion group on the results of the studies, analysing the data from different sources. Theorists will buy the best book on bicycle riding and study it making sure that they have all the recommended equipment together before even attempting to unlock the bicycle from the gatepost. After all, if you get the right book you could do brain surgery ... Reflectors will stand back and observe the other people, those riding (and falling off the bike), those in the discussion group, those reading the book. They will then start to write down their observations and conclusions and producing data on their observations. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
Nancy, You are correct - I should have mentioned that eventually all the types are expected to get on the bike ... and some with trainer wheels. If I'm going to be totally accurate then Honey Mumford's model actually suggests that we have a little of all the styles in us but when push comes to shove we will fall back on our preferred style. There is also evidence that if you are forced or encouraged to learn in one of your non preferred styles you will retain the information better. I have had an argument with another trainer who says that all adult learners are voluntary and so are never forced to learn in a style they don't prefer and I have referred him to craft learning where there is no teacher so you may have to start as a theorist because book learning is your only option. If this isn't being forced into a style then I don't know what is. Now, here is another one for you all. The Dunning Kruger effect. This theory is based on a statement by Charles Darwin; "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge". The premise with the Dunning Kruger effect is that the more knowledge you have the more self aware you are and able to know how much further you have to go. High education people often will rate their ability lower than it is because they understand that they still have a lot to learn. Lower skilled people over rate their ability consistantly and not just in their jobs but also the studies have shown in chess and driving as two examples. What I find very interesting with the Lace on Acrachne is that whilst we all have very different educational backgrounds we are all very proactive in adding to our knowledge on lacemaking and crafts and we are all modest about our abilities which makes the group a really nice place to be. L Kind Regards Liz Baker thelace...@btinternet.com My chronicle of my bobbins can be found at my website: http://thelacebee.weebly.com/ --- On Sat, 5/3/11, Nancy Neff wrote: From: Nancy Neff Subject: Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless To: "The Lace Bee" , jeria...@aol.com, "Clay Blackwell" Cc: lace@arachne.com Date: Saturday, 5 March, 2011, 16:56 Liz, I'd like to think that Pragmatists, in your example, might find a teacher and start riding with training wheels or someone to steady them. I don't think that only Activists would actually get on the bike--even Theorists and Reflectors might eventually! I say this because I might be considered somewhere between a Pragmatist and Theorist, in that I taught myself bobbin lace from books, even Flanders and Binche, only taking classes after starting each type from books. (Maybe a little bit of Activist since I have worked from a pricking without any diagrams or model/picture, but that was only Torchon.) Anyway, I'd like to think that all learning types would eventually get on the bike and learn to ride it themselves! Nancy Connecticut USA From: The Lace Bee To: jeria...@aol.com; Clay Blackwell Cc: lace@arachne.com Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 4:57:28 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless When trying to explain Honey Mumford we use the tale of trying to learn to ride a bicycle - and you will all see yourselves in this one: Activists will grab the bike and try to ride it (falling off it and getting back on but keeping trying). Pragmatists will go and get all the bicycle riding studies and start a discussion group on the results of the studies, analysing the data from different sources. Theorists will buy the best book on bicycle riding and study it making sure that they have all the recommended equipment together before even attempting to unlock the bicycle from the gatepost. After all, if you get the right book you could do brain surgery ... Reflectors will stand back and observe the other people, those riding (and falling off the bike), those in the discussion group, those reading the book. They will then start to write down their observations and conclusions and producing data on their observations. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
A name for it--thank you, Liz! "The Dunning Kruger effect" I've always just said it as "The more you know, the more you know how much you don't know." And of course, Darwin said it better, as usual... From: The Lace Bee To: jeria...@aol.com; Clay Blackwell ; Nancy Neff Cc: lace@arachne.com Sent: Sun, March 6, 2011 1:15:27 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless ... Now, here is another one for you all. The Dunning Kruger effect. This theory is based on a statement by Charles Darwin; "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge". The premise with the Dunning Kruger effect is that the more knowledge you have the more self aware you are and able to know how much further you have to go. High education people often will rate their ability lower than it is because they understand that they still have a lot to learn. ... - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Re: Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
"Reflectors will stand back and observe the other people, those riding (and falling off the bike), those in the discussion group, those reading the book." So do you think that "Reflectors" are perhaps profiled similar to lurkers on lists and comprise a larger percentage of the population? It has always intrigued me how such a small percentage (typically single digits) of many online forums and lists members actually post/contribute information. Best, Susan Reishus - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
Hi All, This is not bobbin lace, but nevertheless lace - crocheting. I first learned from my grandmother when I was about 9 1/2 when she was dieing from cancer, and I taught my girls, one at about 6. Jeanette now lives in Windsor, Ontario, and in the last few months before she left home for Canada, one of her friends was having a baby. Since I first taught her at 6, she only did granny squares - just large ones for babies. I did not give her a choice, bought a pattern for a shawl and told her she was going to make that one. Following the experience of learning to read a pattern, she has produced some amazing things including a striped rug with 3D sunflowers. Seems to be like unlocking something or holding their hands while they take the first step then they are off. Personally, I learned from the Correspondence Course run by the Australian Lace Guild, the text of which is Rosemary Shepard's book. Having started school with Correspondence (now called Distance Education here) could have helped. I can learn from books on my own after having studied the text, watched videos - am about to launch my "Tape Lace" stage. Mary Carey Campbelltown, NSW, Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] Bobbin Lace Instructions - Written Out for the Teacherless
I too learned from Rosemary Shepherd's book. But my help at the time was the Arachne list (12 years ago now!) who came to my aid on many occasions. Have fun with your "Tape Lace" stage Mary - Arachne was invaluable when I started mine. Noelene in Cooma I'm a pragmatist, I think, from Liz's Honey Mumford list, with leanings of being an activist. nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au > Personally, I learned from the Correspondence Course run by the Australian > Lace Guild, the text of which is Rosemary Shepard's book. > - am about to launch my "Tape Lace" stage. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
