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Much as I feel every day can be (and often is) knit in public day (yes, I had my knitting out at the cafe on Saturday for the 'official' day), my lace pillow with the simple little nine pin edging comes with me all sorts of places (mostly SCA events, but not entirely!). Every day can be lace in public day! Heather -- who is still chuffed to bits that my darling SiL used some of my knitted lace as part of her wedding dress this past weekend. On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Lyn Bailey wrote: > The real point is, demonstrating lace wherever you are is important, and > doesn’t take much. Just bring along some lace where you don’t need total > quiet in order to concentrate, and make lace in a public place. It does make > a difference. > > Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA where we’ve finally turned on the air > conditioning. Hot and humid. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I absolutely agree with Vicki on this one. The need to make lace backwards when. You have a mistake and just can't ignore it taught me patience. I leant in my early 20s and at that age I thought there was no time for anything. If I made a mistake in may other craft I would work round it but in lacemaking, if you made a mistake the bobbins simple weren't where you needed them and you had to go backwards. I've learnt that some mistakes can be ignored and the finish piece looks fine other times no. A bit like life really. Kind Regards Liz Baker > On 14 Dec 2013, at 01:07, Vicki Bradford wrote: > > To?the usual 'never have the patience' comment. > My response is that it gives me patience rather than taking it, and that I am > much more relaxed after I've been able to work on my lace..(-: ? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Dear Fellow Spiders, To?the usual 'never have the patience' comment. My response is that it gives me patience rather than taking it, and that I am much more relaxed after I've been able to work on my lace..(-: ? Next, no, it isn't hard. (To me, some things are tedious, but if I can grasp them conceptually I don't think they should be described as 'hard'. I think to say 'yes, it is hard' only puts people off.) But then I proceed to tell why it isn't hard. Rather than saying it is all 'cross & twist', I say it is mostly 'right over left or left over right', making the motion as I say it. It is a kind of weaving, but two rows at a time.Most children (and adults) have woven potholders and understand the concept of basic weaving. If they ask about how I know what to do, I show them that there is a pattern that tells me. If they ask how I can understand the pattern, I ask if they can read music (which thankfully often elicits a yes...but if not, there are other examples). It's just notation that you learn to interpret. And finally, when I still get the look of skepticism, I remind them that computers only use zeros and ones, and it is in the combining of many simple things that something complex results. So zero & one, cross & twistyes, it moves on from there, but it does cover the essentials and their eyes show them that there is a bit more to it. Vicki in Maryland - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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- Subject: Re: [lace] Demonstrating Does anyone remember the spectacular fashion show the Puerto Rico lacemakers held at the castle by the sea during their IOLI convention many years ago? bBeautiful laces newly made for baptismal dresses, communition dresses, weddings, quinceaneras and just for nice. Handmade lace still was obviously a part of their lives. EMK Geraldine Stott and myself were invited to teach lacemaking on a caribbean cruise back in the 1980's. We flew to Puerto Rico where we taught for two days before boarding the ship for the cruise and it was there in Puerto Rico that the local lacemakers put on a fashion show for us. It was excellent and the work was exquisite - all gorgeous pure linen dresses etc embellished with the most beautiful hand worked lace and stitching. I remember one little girl in particular who really fancied herself as a fashion model, and the organisers just couldn't get her of the stage - she was like a true professional on the catwalk! Catherine Barley UK Catherine Barley Needlelace www.catherinebarley.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Liz I am amazed!!! I took the test. You are right on the button!!! I am definitely kinaesetic. Thanks for the information, It was quite enlightening, though I doubt I am going to perform any brain surgery despite the possibility of a book out there I could learn from LOL... Cearbhael >From the comment below I would expect the VARK to show that preferred sensory learning style (how you would prefer to experience learning) as kinaesetic - to learn through all the senses, feel, see, hear and taste and the the H&M psychological learning style (how you would prefer to think about and rationalise learning) as activist - learn through doing but with high theorist tendencies (give me a book and I can perform brain surgery). Kind Regards Liz Baker - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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One of the exercises that I did with my delegates at the weekend was to give them insight I to how they prefer to learn. I use VARK and Honey & Mumford as the two learning style tests. Google them, you will quickly see yourself in the descriptions. What the delegates found interesting is that they all thought that they had a preferred learning style however, most had a strong preference but were surprised to find that there was a second preference that was also string. Then when they looked into their second preference in more detail they all admitted that they do find it easier to access learning through the second way if the first was unavailable. There has been a lot written on how if you force someone to learn through a low preference learning style it will be hard but they will never forget. I can store massive amounts of data in my head but it is in context rather than read off a page. I had to learn a poem for my o levels... It took two weeks to learn but I have never forgotten it. I have problems remembering song lyrics or pieces of music however, I can sight read music two play on the guitar or piano or to sing. >From the comment below I would expect the VARK to show that preferred sensory >learning style (how you would prefer to experience learning) as kinaesetic - >to learn through all the senses, feel, see, hear and taste and the the H&M >psychological learning style (how you would prefer to think about and >rationalise learning) as activist - learn through doing but with high theorist >tendencies (give me a book and I can perform brain surgery). I find how people learn and retain information important and exciting because my challenge as a tutor and trainer is to ensure all my training is accessible regardless of how the delegate wants to access the training and learn. The great teacher that everyone loved at school would have modelled this behaviour; they would have been everything to everyone so that everyone thought that the teacher was talking just to them and made a connection. That was just an outstanding teacher who was able to get everyone to access learning. Kind Regards Liz Baker > On 9 Dec 2013, at 23:22, "Angel Skubic" wrote: > > The most important thing to remember is you > have to do something you seriously want to do, and that you're enjoying > yourself. I am a strong believer in not letting other's set limits for you. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I am self taught and I started with Bucks-point since I learned a long time ago that if I am not thrilled with the beauty of what I am making I will never complete it. Thusly I do better by jumping into the deep end of the pool (which by the way is how I learned how to swim as well) I have to know that when I am done people are going to go "o.Awww." and tell me they would never have the patience for that. I want what I do to be beautiful and something people as well as me will want to mount and put up for everyone to see. I cross-stitch, knit, crochet, work chainmail, and do lace that way...Remarkably the method works great for me because I am never disappointed even if my first attempts have errors. I just keep trying and perfecting until it is how I wish it to look. I am pleased with my efforts, I am eager to start more...I generally end up gifting almost all of my stuff. I have learned I have to be occasionally firm and insist on something being just mine, or I never have anything and everyone else has my work on their walls LOL. My mother, bless her soul, did make sure that when she passed all the works she received from me came back to me. So I am in agreement that there really is no real line that cannot be crossed if you're willing to accept the challenge and take the time to make sure you're learning the basics as you go. The most important thing to remember is you have to do something you seriously want to do, and that you're enjoying yourself. I am a strong believer in not letting other's set limits for you. I do have to admit however that I am very independent and not all people have my desire to jump in head first into deep water (yes I dived before I swam) but my brain is wired that way. Everyone has their own idea of where they wish to start and should be allowed to start there...either at the very beginning with braids or at the deep end. I do have to admit, that I made 2 braids, it took one afternoon and I KNEW right then that I would never make lace if I continued in that manner. Cearbhael - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Does anyone remember the spectacular fashion show the Puerto Rico lacemakers held at the castle by the sea during their IOLI convention many years ago? bBeautiful laces newly made for baptismal dresses, communition dresses, weddings, quinceaneras and just for nice. Handmade lace still was obviously a part of their lives. EMK On Dec 8, 2013, at 10:16 AM, laceandbits wrote: > Jane said > "Go back beyond that, though, and even at four or five years of age you would > have been learning the lace of the town/region in which you lived" > > No need to go back in time, just visit Camariñas in Spain, (and very probably > other towns on the continent as well,) where lace is valued as an important > part of their heritage, and you can see children of 5, 6 and 7 working on > complex guipure laces with very little help. Working fast at that, and > chatting away to each other in exactly the same way they see their older > sisters, mothers, grandmothers and aunts doing. > > Jacquie in Lincolnshire > > > > > Sent from Samsung tablet > > Original message > From Jane Partridge > Date: 08/12/2013 14:42 (GMT+00:00) > To lace@arachne.com > Subject [lace] Demonstrating > > For about the last century, most people have been making lace as a hobby > rather than to earn a living, and have had some choice as to what lace > to start with - some, because frequently that choice is dictated by the > teacher to start with. Some teachers throw their hands up in horror if > you even suggest starting with something other than braid lace or > Torchon - probably because they are not used to teaching the beginner > skills to progress to anything else. Go back beyond that, though, and > even at four or five years of age you would have been learning the lace > of the town/region in which you lived. In some places, like Honiton, and > I suspect on the continent, that is still the case, but children would > have started off learning the more complex laces - they would probably > never have learned anything else! > > Some teachers like to make people think lace is difficult to learn in > order to keep them coming to class, and not let them even think they > could learn from books, DVDs or U-tube on their own. The first stage of > learning to make lace is learning the self-confidence that tells you you > can do it; after that, getting your hands to work the cross and twist > movements, then to stop thinking about what you are doing and let your > hands get on with the task - those are the difficult bits. Once that has > clicked, then other than certain advanced techniques, the lace itself > isn't all that complicated! > > > In message <893662BF2DDA426AB8F380939BCD0A61@Cecily>, Lyn Bailey > writes >> While it is possible, I know of no one who started in Binche. >> > > -- > Jane Partridge > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Jane said "Go back beyond that, though, and even at four or five years of age you would have been learning the lace of the town/region in which you lived" No need to go back in time, just visit Camariñas in Spain, (and very probably other towns on the continent as well,) where lace is valued as an important part of their heritage,  and you can see children of 5, 6 and 7 working on complex guipure laces with very little help. Working fast at that, and chatting away to each other in exactly the same way they see their older sisters, mothers, grandmothers and aunts doing. Jacquie in Lincolnshire Sent from Samsung tablet Original message >From Jane Partridge Date: 08/12/2013 14:42 (GMT+00:00) To lace@arachne.com Subject [lace] Demonstrating For about the last century, most people have been making lace as a hobby rather than to earn a living, and have had some choice as to what lace to start with - some, because frequently that choice is dictated by the teacher to start with. Some teachers throw their hands up in horror if you even suggest starting with something other than braid lace or Torchon - probably because they are not used to teaching the beginner skills to progress to anything else. Go back beyond that, though, and even at four or five years of age you would have been learning the lace of the town/region in which you lived. In some places, like Honiton, and I suspect on the continent, that is still the case, but children would have started off learning the more complex laces - they would probably never have learned anything else! Some teachers like to make people think lace is difficult to learn in order to keep them coming to class, and not let them even think they could learn from books, DVDs or U-tube on their own. The first stage of learning to make lace is learning the self-confidence that tells you you can do it; after that, getting your hands to work the cross and twist movements, then to stop thinking about what you are doing and let your hands get on with the task - those are the difficult bits. Once that has clicked, then other than certain advanced techniques, the lace itself isn't all that complicated! In message <893662BF2DDA426AB8F380939BCD0A61@Cecily>, Lyn Bailey writes > While it is possible, I know of no one who started in Binche. > -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Lace is 'just' cross twist, in exactly the same way as knitting is 'just' knit and purl.  Why make things more complicated than you need to? When you teach someone to knit you don't go sideways and immediately start tellling them that although knitting is 'just' knit and purl, of course it's not really because sometimes you use another needle and move the order of the stitches to do cables, or four needles and knit round and round,  or sometimes you do yo and k2tog to make holes for lace, and sometimes you knit short rows to do shaping and sometimes you only use a few of all the stitches at a time for entrelac, and sometimes you use more than one colour for fairisle.  Need I go on? Bobbin lace is just the same.  All you need for the solid areas are cloth stitch or half stitch worked from side to side, all you need for ground are half stitch or cloth stitch worked with pins at each set of stitches, all you need for plaits are half stitches.  The only bit that isn't are leaves and tallies, and many people avoid them like the plague anyway.  As they learn they will see how the solid and the ground get joined, in the same way as knitters will learn rib and increasing and decreasing, or holes or cables, as they need to. No one is going to sit at a have-a-go pillow, learn cloth and half stitch and immediately think they can tackle a Bucks fan.  But on the other hand if you start describing the learning curve between the have-a-go and the fan, all but the most determined will be put off before they even start. My vote is for "Bobbin lace is just cloth stitch and half stitch.  You can do them now.  In a class, or from a book, you'll learn how to use them." Jacquie in Lincolnshire Sent from Samsung tablet - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I have been thinking about this. That is that the student thought this was something vey easy, like gluegun crafts. I think the problem was with the person, and not necessarily with the words of the demonstrator. Unless all that was being shown was something akin to 'the bandage' or snakes. I tell people the same thing, 4 bobbins, cross, twist. But the evidence of their eyes is the lace I'm working on, usually either the altar cloth, which actually is Torchon, or the classic beginners edging of Bucks point, done in Aurifil 50, for the frill on a 'lace' cap. Both are obviously lace, and there clearly is more to it that just cross twist. But that is a good place to start. Gilian Dye's beginners' bobbin lace manual starts with a plait, which is 2 pair and crosstwistcrosstwist. A great place to start, but you only do a few inches and then on to the equivalent of the snakes. On the whole I think it is better to give the impression that lacemaking begins easily, and then moves on, rather than daunting people with the intricacies and giving the impression that's how one starts. While it is possible, I know of no one who started in Binche. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where they say the snow will start this afternoon. Hopefully after church. Rain overnight? Wonder what will happen. Devon wrote: At one point someone came to a lace class that we were having and said that she had been told that there were really only two stitches, cross and twist and that after you learned how to do them you could do anything. We were a little stunned and the teacher didn't know how to proceed with this idea. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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- Original Message - Demonstrating Subject: Re: [lace] Demonstrating Hi Arachnids The answer is simple. Knitting has only two basic stitches â?" plain and purl â?" and you can make all kinds of patterns and garments. Lacemaking is the same, two basic stitches and they used in many different ways. Alex I use the same analogy myself for both bobbin and needlelace. It's just like knitting or crochet in that there is just one basic stitch, a buttonhole/blanket stitch for needlelace and either a plain ir purl stitch for kntting - you knit into either the back or the front of it to give you a plain or purl row. If you knit 2 sts together, you need to make a stitch in the following row by either knitting into both the front and back of the same stitch to increase, or you put the wool round the needle to increase, each method gives a different appearance to the finished work. It's the same with needlelace and crochet, in that you miss a loop, which results in a gap between the loops, so one needs to maintain the original number of stitches by working additional stitches into these long loops in the following row - Simple! Catherine Barley Henley-on-Thames UK Who must get back to scanning her book for POD. I'm making progress and it's going to happen, thanks to Alex and her printing company! Catherine Barley Needlelace www.catherinebarley.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Hello Carol and everyone I agree with Carol and others, it really is useful at a demo to be able to show the range of bobbin lace. I would take a simple project to work on, if not the have-a-go pillow itself, as well as another pillow with something more elaborate on it for comparison (also useful to work on during a lull). A piece of clear vinyl is tucked around it when one's attention is diverted - in case of helpful passersby. If carrying a lot of 'stuff' would be a problem, I take just one pillow, appropriate to the setting and particular crowd, and visuals (e.g. a photo album, lace magazines, finished examples) so that visitors could see at a glance other aspects of bobbin lace. I'm sure others do this too :) On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 4:06 AM, wrote: > ...Once you have mastered the cross and the twist, those are the movements > you make, with variations on numbers and twists etc. ... > I usually have several of my pillows with wip, so that they can see > the more advanced laces > -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Hi Spiders All, If the demo was in England, I could well have been the person who told the lady that there were two actions in bobbin lace! Once you have mastered the cross and the twist, those are the movements you make, with variations on numbers and twists etc. I also tell people that if they can count to four, they can make lace! I usually have several of my pillows with wip, with a tempting array of bobbins, as well as other 'sparkly' equipment, but also a couple of 'Have-A-Go' pillows -- usually one with the snake on, and the other a Torchon ground, so that they can see the more advanced laces, but also the beginner patterns, so they don't feel intimidated at the thought of starting to make lace. Carol - in North Noroflk UK. 'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.' - Original Message - Cc: Sent: Thursday, 5 December 2013, 16:40 At one point someone came to a lace class that we were having and said that she had been told that there were really only two stitches, cross and twist and that after you learned how to do them you could do anything. We were a little stunned and the teacher didn't know how to proceed with this idea. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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In effect, though, she was right. Once you know which move is cross, and which is twist, then by using combinations of those two moves you can do anything - even a tally or picot. Once you know the sound that letters of the alphabet make, you can start to put them together to make words - same principle. You might know the sounds, but it takes a little bit longer to learn to speak the language... same goes for lace, you know the moves, but you need to be able to read or interpret the pattern to know where to make them. As to teaching from there - start with the basic two moves - ie, half stitch, then gradually progress to cloth and ground stitches. Simples! Lace isn't as complicated as some demonstrators try to make out - more to make themselves seem superior because they can do it - whereas the aim of the demonstration is to show that most people, if they try, can make lace. Not everyone will take to it, though, so we shouldn't expect them to. In message , dmt11h...@aol.com writes At one point someone came to a lace class that we were having and said that she had been told that there were really only two stitches, cross and twist and that after you learned how to do them you could do anything. We were a little stunned and the teacher didn't know how to proceed with this idea. Devon -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I am of two minds on the whole demonstration idea. On the one hand a simple piece like the snake or fish that a visitor could work is a nice idea. On the other hand, I showed a photo of my daughter working the snake to her grade school teacher, and the teacher, puzzled, said, "where is the lace". A pillow with a clearly identifiable looking lace and lots of bobbins draws people to the demonstration, along with photographers looking for a good photo op. As Jeri says, one solution is multiple demonstrators. I guess another question is, what is the message we are trying to send and who are the people we are trying to influence. Are we looking to introduce bobbin lace technique to children who are looking for a new way to make friendship bracelets and lanyards, for which much simpler techniques perform quite adequately. Or are we looking to introduce it to people who want to take on a difficult and unusual craft that no one else does? A frequent source of inductees to lace are people who do historical re-enactments and really like a difficult and authentic craft. I sometimes wonder if it is a good idea to make lacemaking look simple, because then we are drawing in a group of people who are looking for something simple to do and we really can't deliver on that promise. At one point someone came to a lace class that we were having and said that she had been told that there were really only two stitches, cross and twist and that after you learned how to do them you could do anything. We were a little stunned and the teacher didn't know how to proceed with this idea. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Since we older lacers using paper books and such are geared to that, it is not surprising the younger generation has no interest. I found if i can trust my Xyboard not to fall, i have my pattern and pricking on it. Younger people wonder how you can use a tablet with a pillow so wander over and check it out. Even using a cell phone on some holder can make people look. if you have a really "loud" looking color cover, that draws the eye too. I wear a very simplistic "pioneer" outfit including the bed cap and wire rimmed reading glasses perched on the end of my nose. if nothing else, you get a smile but it is something that "draws" people to you. my "table" is a camera tripod with a plexiglas top where i put jar opener/shelf liner on so the pillow will stay put when i tilt it and i elevate the pillow to work on while standing. i have one small one and one larger one which i only use for demos. i can use a medium sized pillow and have room on the plexiglas to hold a light/magnifier/tablet. this can get uncomfortable so i have my piano stool at hand to sit. if you have one of those folding stools that are higher, that is a bit easier but also a bit harder on the back than regular height but not as bad as standing. anything "unique" and eye catching will bring people close to "see". Happy lacing. Hugs, Lin and the Mali *Mistakes are beautiful. Mistakes are part of the fun.* - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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> jeria...@aol.com wrote: >A large fully-dressed pillow with many bobbins and dense >pattern is discouraging and elicits the usual "I don't have the patience!". Speed reading slays my intent every so often. The word "dense" is important in above sentence. I have seen lacemakers with so many pins on a pillow that untrained eyes cannot see the lace developing in the area being worked. Yes, the finished lace is emerging from the back, but it really is not the best way to show the progression of lacemaking if there is only one lacemaker present. I am also thinking of those laces where bobbins require stacking. Stacks of bobbins can be intimidating! Worse still, is the grey-haired demonstrator who tells her audience it has taken a lifetime to learn to make lace and she has been working on this piece for X number of months or years.. You've lost a possible young lacemaker by then. We live in a time when almost instant gratification is expected. If the public comes first to a lace with open areas, like Torchon, the concept is easier to grasp. If that first lacemaker explains the equipment on her pillow and how bobbin lace is made, then hands them off to the person working something more challenging, that would be the way I'd prefer being introduced to bobbin lace if I knew nothing about the subject. We should not expect a person rushing through a demonstration area to grasp intricacies of the subject we love immediately. We are taught the A B C's, before we put the letters together and learn to read. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Demonstrating strategy - Gossip Pillows
A couple of years ago at a demonstration, one of the lace makers brought a 24" cookie pillow for beginners to make a snake. The enterprising lace maker had put 4 prickings on the pillow (along each point of the compass: north, south, east and west) and had 4 children work at the same time. It was an extremely good use of limited demonstration space and the children loved being able to keep an eye on what the others were doing and who was working the fastest. While this is not exactly a gossip pillow, it is a good strategy for demonstrating - with adults as well as children. Jill in Milton Keynes, Bucks - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Demonstrating strategy - Gossip Pillows
For our Newbies: It has been a few years since we discussed Gossip Pillows on Arachne. Suggest you go to archives and search "Gossip Pillows". Two of my memos are near the top, and describe, with directions on where to see a photo on an IOLI Bulletin cover. http://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/index.html It would be nice if someone would put a photo on our Arachne flickr. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center In a message dated 12/3/2013 9:47:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, linhud...@gmail.com writes: i frequently set up a card table at the library and give 4 people at a time the opportunity. i have 2 pieces of square thick foam covered totally in cloth for triers and then carry 7" cookie pillows for 2 more. light weight and small. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Demonstrating strategy
I set up the Springett snake because it gives an alternative color down the middle and can be made rapidly even for new triers. it lets them follow the path of the bobbins. it has few bobbins and i use a metallic thread in the middle to give glitter to it which also is appealing. i pre-wind bobbins in sets and take at least 3 pillows with me so hopefully they will take the time to work on it and finish it to take home. i also make sure i have a "bead" for the eye. it is fast and is lovely. if you have time beforehand, you can make up some in the colors you take as "kits" and let them work until they "have to go" and then just give them the one you made in those colors and another trier can "finish it up" and take home the one made by two people. i like to send them home with something because then they admire it and think "i can do this". a list of supplies needed to get started (only for this simple pattern as supplies can get overwhelming if they "see" all the will eventually use as they develop can also be handed out. you also can have 3-4 triers doing it at the same time. i frequently set up a card table at the library and give 4 people at a time the opportunity. i have 2 pieces of square thick foam covered totally in cloth for triers and then carry 7" cookie pillows for 2 more. light weight and small. my prickings are also prepared and pricked ahead. i carry at least 10 with me when i go to a demonstration. i use a tripod table which i can elevate for them to stand and see me work but also lower so i can sit down on my piano stool which has a back and glass claw feet. if i don't carry my cup of tea, i can carry all of the above in one trip. i haven't made a cup holder to drape over my shoulder yet. but the tripod has a cup holder and if i can keep it upright over my shoulder, i can put my spill-proof cup in it. that tho is iffy. one other thought is to start the snake and go until you have the bead for the eye in place and let them go from there. this pattern also lends itself to roller pillows that have narrow rollers. i make the same pattern so i have a supply of finished ones for the next demo. Hugs, Lin and the Mali *Mistakes are beautiful. Mistakes are part of the fun.* - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Demonstrating strategy
...Demonstrating is teaching and theater, and anything you can do to set the stage for the point you want to prove is a good thing to consider Love this statement! It is so true. I have done the wide lace with 126 bobbins (see http://www.brandis.com.au/craft/Lace/201305.html and it is the one with Merlin the cat) at the local markets and got lots of admiring comments but it is when I demo on the 28 pair length (see http://www.brandis.com.au/craft/Lace/201305.html and it is the blue one) that I get people willing to have a go. Now reading the message about less is best I am going to do a tape lace animal or three (probably snake or lizard) for display and alternate between the 'easy' animal and the blue length as I need to do 3 more metres of the blue. Regards Jenny Brandis Kununurra, Western Australia je...@brandis.com.au www.brandis.com.au - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] demonstrating lace
I've done tatting at the dentist And the doctors, in the queue. Now I'll add tatting in my pocket When the car is serviced, too ...Noelene in Cooma nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au Another place without quite as much traffic... the car dealership! LOL My car needed some work so I brought my tatting and sat in the waiting room, in the sun, and tatted! Time passes a lot quicker that way, as well :_) Lauren in WA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] demonstrating lace/NY
Without going to my handy dandy crimes code, the crime of loitering is something like being in one place in public too long, without a legitimate purpose. It is used when they want you to go away, and whatever you are doing doesnât qualify as another offense. So respectable people who stand on a corner and just stand there are not approached by the cops, but if youâre standing on a corner, in a nice part of town, but you are unkempt, unwashed, and donât blend into the neighborhood, AND refuse to leave after being told forcibly to leave, they might arrest you arrest you for loitering. Regulation of vendors is not my area of expertise, but I suspect the cops, who are the doorkeepers of the loitering law, would not take an adverse position to someone sitting out of the major foot traffic, merely sitting making lace, who clearly is not selling anything, nor creating a disturbance, does not look unsavory. You bring up another issue for demonstrating. Lugging equipment. Since I am used to lacemaking whilst traveling, my cookie pillows are polystyrene, and I have pared my equipment down to exactly what I will need. Everything else stays home. I have a stool that folds and weighs 2 pounds (1 kilo) and yet holds my Queenly weight. If my weight were at goal Iâd use the one that weighs a bit more than a pound. My lace table folds down and down. It is an InStand, which is the gizmo used by court reporters to hold their machines, (instand.com and amazon.com, usual disclaimers.) If I were 10 years younger, I could carry all that from my home in Lancaster, on the train, on the subway, to the Museum, no problem. As it is, with issues of walking and carrying things, Iâd probably put it all in a wheeled carryon, and do it that way. Still not heavy. Devon, if thereâs a nice sunny day left this year, call me and if Iâm available, Iâll take the train (3 hours each way) and meet you at the entrance to the Met. Bring a chair. We can test this out and report to the list. But you provide lunch. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, US, where the sun has gone away, and maybe the weatherman was right after all. From: dmt11h...@aol.com Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:09 AM To: lynrbai...@desupernet.net Cc: lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] demonstrating lace/NY In a message dated 10/21/2011 9:16:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lynrbai...@desupernet.net writes: Or outside the Metropolitan Museum of Art, especially on a weekend. There are vendors out there, and I don't know if a permit is required, nor do I recall if there are benches, but it's worth a thought. Interesting question. What is the definition of loitering and is it still illegal? I recently read an article about the food vendors. It appears that the hot dog vendor pays $250,000 a year to have his spot in front of the Metropolitan Museum of Art. It is paid to the city because they own the side walk. It is one of the most valuable places to sell hot dogs in New York. However, there is an old law that veterans can sell on public sidewalks for free. So a rival hot dog vendor has gone into partnership with a veteran whose role is to nap on a chair by the hot dog stand and "handle the paperwork". This is causing a lot of discord because those people who have paid for the spot feel that the value of their spot has been decreased. Do we have any veterans on the list? I am not sure that the issue of whether one may legally demonstrate lace on a bench outside the Metropolitan Museum is likely to come up, though, because a very interesting event involving young people in the fashion industry called Culture Push was looking for a lace demonstration, and I couldn't find anyone who would take a lace pillow into New York for it. It was billed as "collaborative skill sharing" which meant unpaid, but still... It would have been a good event, but we couldn't figure out how to make it work. I even implored people at the regional meeting of my region at the convention to go, but there was not much enthusiasm. In fact, almost immediately the conversation shifted to the idea of teaching elementary age children in scouts, and hoping that they would come back to it as adults. I realize that many of us, myself included, are not up for exciting city driving, expensive parking, and hauling a ton of goods to a demo in the city. I really can only do it if my husband drives and hauls the equipment. Perhaps we need a lace swat team, ready to drop in, like the fire jumpers, to difficult locations in need of a lace demo. The Church of Craft , is dedicated to the idea that craft is good for the soul. I went to one of the monthly events in Brooklyn in which young people just gather and do crafts together and there was some interest among the young people who were there in it. I met a young man who knits platypuses, who was quite interested. There is another entity, Etsy, which has evenings in which people get together
Re: [lace] demonstrating lace/NY
In a message dated 10/21/2011 9:16:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lynrbai...@desupernet.net writes: Or outside the Metropolitan Museum of Art, especially on a weekend. There are vendors out there, and I don't know if a permit is required, nor do I recall if there are benches, but it's worth a thought. Interesting question. What is the definition of loitering and is it still illegal? I recently read an article about the food vendors. It appears that the hot dog vendor pays $250,000 a year to have his spot in front of the Metropolitan Museum of Art. It is paid to the city because they own the side walk. It is one of the most valuable places to sell hot dogs in New York. However, there is an old law that veterans can sell on public sidewalks for free. So a rival hot dog vendor has gone into partnership with a veteran whose role is to nap on a chair by the hot dog stand and "handle the paperwork". This is causing a lot of discord because those people who have paid for the spot feel that the value of their spot has been decreased. Do we have any veterans on the list? I am not sure that the issue of whether one may legally demonstrate lace on a bench outside the Metropolitan Museum is likely to come up, though, because a very interesting event involving young people in the fashion industry called Culture Push was looking for a lace demonstration, and I couldn't find anyone who would take a lace pillow into New York for it. It was billed as "collaborative skill sharing" which meant unpaid, but still... It would have been a good event, but we couldn't figure out how to make it work. I even implored people at the regional meeting of my region at the convention to go, but there was not much enthusiasm. In fact, almost immediately the conversation shifted to the idea of teaching elementary age children in scouts, and hoping that they would come back to it as adults. I realize that many of us, myself included, are not up for exciting city driving, expensive parking, and hauling a ton of goods to a demo in the city. I really can only do it if my husband drives and hauls the equipment. Perhaps we need a lace swat team, ready to drop in, like the fire jumpers, to difficult locations in need of a lace demo. The Church of Craft , is dedicated to the idea that craft is good for the soul. I went to one of the monthly events in Brooklyn in which young people just gather and do crafts together and there was some interest among the young people who were there in it. I met a young man who knits platypuses, who was quite interested. There is another entity, Etsy, which has evenings in which people get together to do crafts. In fact, at one time they were looking for people to lead others in a craft activity that might even be videotaped and beamed to all the other Etsys. This would be good if someone were interested in doing it. It has to be short and it has to be something that people arriving at different times can do. The fish would be an obvious choice. Why don't you look up these places if you want to do a demo that would be seen by young people. Of course these events tend to be in cities, and we tend to be in suburbs, at least in my particular metro area. But then, the other problem is what do we do if they want to learn? Because there is no lace instruction in New York, and most of the young people do not have cars, and are unable to travel to New Jersey for lace instruction, which, while it exists, is not that easy to access. There are several textile/craft schools in New York that would probably be happy to add lace to a curriculum that already has felting and shibori on it, but there is no one to teach at these places. (Anyone who has ever tried to learn anything from me will confirm that I am a lousy teacher.) Also, a curriculum that includes design and non-traditional fibers would be more interesting than a more traditional one. But designing such a curriculum would take time and skill. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] demonstrating lace
"Oh well, I tried. Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA USA " Dear Susan, et al, Don't give up yet. The other question is whether there is a place in public where you can make lace. Is there a place at the Flagler that has benches? I can virtually guarantee there are no signs saying, "NO LACE MAKING ALLOWED." Anything stopping you from making lace at the local mall where people can sit? Preferably close to the craft or yarn shop. Can you bring your lace to the local knitting store that has knitting in the evening. At the local crafts fair, are you allowed to sit and make lace without paying for a booth if you're not selling anything? You do have a sheet of paper to give out listing places where interested people can get more information, but nothing for sale, certainly no financial benefit to you. If you list suppliers, would that change anything? Is there an art school nearby where they have textiles as a subject, so to speak, and may you make lace in the lobby around lunchtime? Is the local library open to you sitting and making lace? We like to take cruises. You get spoiled rotten for really a reasonable amount of money if you do your research properly. When I was working, the days at sea was when I did a lot of my lacemaking. Doing that in a public place gets all sorts of people to stop and ask questions. That's really all you want. In the Carribean, there's a lot to be said for lacemaking by the pool, in your chaise. I never go into the pool. I have a picture of someone taking a picture of me making lace on the Commons in Bar Harbor, Maine, USA, which is a tourist town. Now that cruises stop at Bar Harbor, it is even more busy. Demonstrating at events is an excellent idea, but generally they come around only once a year. With some thought, there are plenty of other places, especially when the weather is nice, where you can simply sit down and start making lace. Bring your own chair, if necessary. When it gets cold, go indoors to public places. Not the tired old mall, but the new vibrant one. Our local mall is large, with spokes going out from a central hub, where sometimes there are seats. Perhaps your local quilting shop is amenable, if you don't take up too much space. There are two approaches to indoor events, or even outdoor ones where you're not sitting at a park bench or some other seating area. Just go, plunk yourself down so as to be very visible, but out of the way of foot traffic paths, and see what happens. Or go to the municipal office, or the safety office, and ask permission. I suspect either would work. This is for the US, where, as far as I know, there is virtually no insurance considerations to be met. There may be zoning ordinances and the like on the books, but the real question is whether they will be enforced against a respectable looking woman sitting down and doing what is clearly akin to her knitting. At the very worst, someone official will tell you that you may not sit here. Remember, the US is also the place where, to my knowledge at least, there is no law forbidding one to give out others' email addresses. It might not be a good or considerate idea, but there is no law against it. Our copyright infringement laws also seem to be a bit more lax, and I know of no library that pays a fee for the copying of book pages, although I may be wrong there, but I don't think so. It might get a trifle more tricky if you've got a have-a-go pillow, because that would carve out a larger space than just you and your lace table, but with thought it should still be possible in many places. That's how I got hooked at the Newnan, Georgia, US, craft show in 1979. The head lady was Betty, and she was English, but lived in Atlanta. I'd still like to be able to thank her. Does anyone know the lady, and what has happened to her? Some places for the summer include, but certainly are not limited to: the outdoor concerts on the lawn in the park, where people gather before the concert to get a good place. In Central Park, in New York City, near the south east entrance, where there are people going to and fro all day. Ditto for Union Park near 14th street, where there is a farmer's market on Saturdays.. Or outside the Metropolitan Museum of Art, especially on a weekend. There are vendors out there, and I don't know if a permit is required, nor do I recall if there are benches, but it's worth a thought. Outside Central Market in my own Lancaster, Pennsylvania, where the tourists come in the summer, and you can sit outside for as long as you want, making lace. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, US, where the weathermen got it wrong again, and we are in for a bright, sunny, beautiful fall day. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/ara
Re: [lace] Demonstrating
I also liked the one where this woman came up to me and said; 'boy, you must make alot of money doing that'. I thought she was being sarcastic but apparantly she thought that people would be willing to pay hansomely for my work. After I'd finished rolling around on the floor Regards Liz in London I'm back _blogging_ (http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee) my latest lace piece - have a look by clicking on the link or going to _http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee_ (http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] demonstrating, "it's tatting!" and bobbins
In a message dated 04/04/2005 23:41:55 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > One woman came up and said that she used to make lace, but couldn't now as > her grip has gone and the bobbins slide through her fingers. Off the top of > my head I passed on the thought that if something like the adhesive foam used > for window insulation (and the grip bits in bobbin winders!) was stuck onto > the body of the bobbins, making them easier to pick up, that might help? She > thought it was a good idea, and I think she might try, but has anyone else > any > thoughts on this? There is a type of bandage (described as cohesive) which is used for horses legs and other veterinary purposes. It sticks to itself but is not sticky to the touch (if that makes sense) and is stretchy enough to be able to make it wrap tightly around a thin, not straight object (ie a lace bobbin, or the inner ring of an embroidery hoop). It is similar to the stuff you put under things to stop them slipping, but is thinner and more flexible. You should be able to buy it fairly easily at a tack shop or feed merchants. Jacquie - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Demonstrating
In a message dated 18/12/2004 18:06:28 GMT Standard Time, Betty Ann writes: > I surely wasn't negating demonstrating lacemaking *anywhere* when I made my > comment about doing so at "Craft Fairs." I love being able to sit and make > lace all day, have all the attention focused on my art, and enjoy > conversations with the passer-bys. Lunch is usually included and sometimes I > get a > stipend for my travel expenses. Betty Ann, Neither was I, it's one of those things that you put up with about demonstrating - the tatting lady, the sting people, the bet you could make money at that if you sold it etc in order to meet that one person who wants to make lace and having seen you thinks it might ok to have a go. I love making lace and I love showing people how to make lace - and chatting to people - what could be better Regards Liz in London I'm back blogging my latest lace piece - have a look by clicking on the link or going to http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Demonstrating at craft Fairs
In a message dated 16/12/2004 19:34:12 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Betty Ann in Roanoke Virginia said > >Many years ago I demonstrated lace at a "Craft Fair" in my hometown - only > 'cause it *was* >my hometown. One of the comments that has stayed with me > came from a teenager who stood > >and watched me do bobbin lace for awhile then said, "Goly! I'd bet > you'd get five >dollar a yard fer that stuff!" That was my last "Craft > Show" demonstration. > When I used to do reenactment I would take my lace with me and work on a piece - usually honiton because it fitted in with the period. People would come up and say 'tatting' or 'wish I was able to sew' () and all the usually things. Then some bright spark would say - bet you make lots of money at that, selling it to these people doing the reenactment. You smile and you simply say - they couldn't afford it, just as they wouldn't have been able to afford it back in the 1640s - it was a rich person's thing to own - but unlike now, I'd have been able to make a living at it. Wow they would say and you'd smile and just carry on. It's all part of the fun!!! of demonstrating. Personally, there were two things I liked doing at a reenactment - cooking or making lace - and making lace meant that I got pieces finished that I wouldn't have found the time to do else where because when else do you get two whole days to make lace and people bring you food whilst you do it!! Regards Liz in London I'm back blogging my latest lace piece - have a look by clicking on the link or going to http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
