Re: [lazarus] a bounty
Guys, just reminding that it would be good if everyone posts here about this bounty: http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Bounties I also put there a small list of indispensable bug fixes. Others can add more. -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] a bounty
On 10/31/06, Burkhard Carstens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I allredy regret my mail. While I am really interested in seeing proper GTK2 support + I am really willing to pay for that, I admit that there are some problems with this bounty offer: * who decides, if the goal is reached That's why it should be a list of bug fixes needed. I already started that on the bounty page. * who earns the money. Especially, the second point is problematic, because many people have contributed work to the gtk2 support and it would be pretty unfair to give the money to somebody, who just happened to wipe out the last bug. .. well, this on the other hand will never happen ;-) .. Don't worry. Gtk 2 interface is complex enougth that I bet only Mattias or Andrew Haines will be able to claim the bounty =) Plus, even in the unlike event that a 3rd person does the job, everyone will still be benefited from a gtk 2 ide. -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] a bounty
On Tuesday 31 October 2006 18:19, johnf wrote: I will offer $200.00 US to anyone that delivers Lazarus running either QT or GTK2 at the current level Lazarus runs today with GTK1. more $500 for Qt from me _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] a bounty
On 11/1/06, zeljko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 31 October 2006 18:19, johnf wrote: I will offer $200.00 US to anyone that delivers Lazarus running either QT or GTK2 at the current level Lazarus runs today with GTK1.more $500 for Qt from me Please guys, organize this in this page:http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/BountiesIf the many people involved have different views on what should be done, create several small bounties. thanks,-- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
Re: [lazarus] a bounty
On Wednesday 01 November 2006 04:57, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: On 11/1/06, zeljko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 31 October 2006 18:19, johnf wrote: I will offer $200.00 US to anyone that delivers Lazarus running either QT or GTK2 at the current level Lazarus runs today with GTK1. more $500 for Qt from me Please guys, organize this in this page: http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Bounties If the many people involved have different views on what should be done, create several small bounties. thanks, OK I have added my bounty. How does anyone know I posted the bounty? I did not add how to contact me. John _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] a bounty
johnf schreef: On Wednesday 01 November 2006 04:57, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho wrote: On 11/1/06, zeljko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 31 October 2006 18:19, johnf wrote: I will offer $200.00 US to anyone that delivers Lazarus running either QT or GTK2 at the current level Lazarus runs today with GTK1. more $500 for Qt from me Please guys, organize this in this page: http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Bounties If the many people involved have different views on what should be done, create several small bounties. thanks, OK I have added my bounty. How does anyone know I posted the bounty? I did not add how to contact me. Having this diff: http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php?title=Bountiesdiff=12266oldid=12243 I just guess jfabiani is johnf from the mailing list. So we know were to look. Vincent _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] a bounty
On 01/11/06, Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh really ? well, what are you waiting for then ? Get to work and grab that bounty... ;-) Talking bounties: Did you already get the last bounty ? Form Inheritance ? Cause I'm really waiting for that one... (one of these things which I find more important) Michael. Visual Form Inheritance first! :-) His (Mattias) bounty is still waiting for him... Graeme. _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] a bounty
I will add another 100USD to the bounty. That's 300USD so far in other words :) A.J. On Tuesday 31 October 2006 19:19, johnf wrote: I will offer $200.00 US to anyone that delivers Lazarus running either QT or GTK2 at the current level Lazarus runs today with GTK1. So what I'm saying is the IDE should be able to run using either QT or GTK2 and programs compiled as either QT or GTK2 must run. It does not have to be both - just one. John _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives -- 80% Of a hardware engineer's job is application of the uncertainty principle. 80% of a software engineer's job is pretending this isn't so. A.J. Venter Chief Software Architect OpenLab International | +27 83 455 99 78 (South Africa) http://www.getopenlab.com | 086 654 2898 (Fax) http://www.silentcoder.co.za| +55 118 162 2079 (Brazil) GPG Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x27CFFE5A pgpvGpOrXV1oe.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [lazarus] a bounty
I would add another US$100, tired of GTK1 Matt Henley On 10/31/06, A.J. Venter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will add another 100USD to the bounty. That's 300USD so far in other words :) A.J. On Tuesday 31 October 2006 19:19, johnf wrote: I will offer $200.00 US to anyone that delivers Lazarus running either QT or GTK2 at the current level Lazarus runs today with GTK1. So what I'm saying is the IDE should be able to run using either QT or GTK2 and programs compiled as either QT or GTK2 must run. It does not have to be both - just one. John _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives -- 80% Of a hardware engineer's job is application of the uncertainty principle. 80% of a software engineer's job is pretending this isn't so. A.J. Venter Chief Software Architect OpenLab International | +27 83 455 99 78 (South Africa) http://www.getopenlab.com | 086 654 2898 (Fax) http://www.silentcoder.co.za| +55 118 162 2079 (Brazil) GPG Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x27CFFE5A _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] a bounty
That's very noble of you. But also very vague. The gtk2 will never run on the level of gtk1. Most things can and will be done better, some things like speed and library stability can not be reached. The gtk1 lacks some features and has some bugs. The gtk2 has other bugs. IMHO the gtk1 lacks too many things for a lazarus 1.0. We have to take gtk2 for that. Mattias On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:25:42 -0600 Matt Henley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would add another US$100, tired of GTK1 Matt Henley On 10/31/06, A.J. Venter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will add another 100USD to the bounty. That's 300USD so far in other words :) A.J. On Tuesday 31 October 2006 19:19, johnf wrote: I will offer $200.00 US to anyone that delivers Lazarus running either QT or GTK2 at the current level Lazarus runs today with GTK1. So what I'm saying is the IDE should be able to run using either QT or GTK2 and programs compiled as either QT or GTK2 must run. It does not have to be both - just one. John _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives -- 80% Of a hardware engineer's job is application of the uncertainty principle. 80% of a software engineer's job is pretending this isn't so. A.J. Venter Chief Software Architect OpenLab International | +27 83 455 99 78 (South Africa) http://www.getopenlab.com | 086 654 2898 (Fax) http://www.silentcoder.co.za| +55 118 162 2079 (Brazil) GPG Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x27CFFE5A _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] a bounty
I'm not trying to be vague. I just want either GTK2 or QT to work. If there are required difference - so be it. If a combobox requires different parameters OK. John On Tuesday 31 October 2006 09:46, Mattias Gaertner wrote: That's very noble of you. But also very vague. The gtk2 will never run on the level of gtk1. Most things can and will be done better, some things like speed and library stability can not be reached. The gtk1 lacks some features and has some bugs. The gtk2 has other bugs. IMHO the gtk1 lacks too many things for a lazarus 1.0. We have to take gtk2 for that. Mattias On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 11:25:42 -0600 Matt Henley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would add another US$100, tired of GTK1 Matt Henley On 10/31/06, A.J. Venter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will add another 100USD to the bounty. That's 300USD so far in other words :) A.J. On Tuesday 31 October 2006 19:19, johnf wrote: I will offer $200.00 US to anyone that delivers Lazarus running either QT or GTK2 at the current level Lazarus runs today with GTK1. So what I'm saying is the IDE should be able to run using either QT or GTK2 and programs compiled as either QT or GTK2 must run. It does not have to be both - just one. John _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives -- 80% Of a hardware engineer's job is application of the uncertainty principle. 80% of a software engineer's job is pretending this isn't so. A.J. Venter Chief Software Architect OpenLab International | +27 83 455 99 78 (South Africa) http://www.getopenlab.com | 086 654 2898 (Fax) http://www.silentcoder.co.za| +55 118 162 2079 (Brazil) GPG Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x27CFFE5A _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] a bounty
Alexsander Rosa wrote: It's over US$ 500 now. A Lazarus Foundation is now required and 50% (minimum) sent back to FPC Foundation :-) _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] a bounty
johnf schreef: I will offer $200.00 US to anyone that delivers Lazarus running either QT or GTK2 at the current level Lazarus runs today with GTK1. So what I'm saying is the IDE should be able to run using either QT or GTK2 and programs compiled as either QT or GTK2 must run. It does not have to be both - just one. If I were to claim the bounty with the svn version of today, saying that gtk2 is as good as gtk1, why would you deny it? IOW, what is still missing in the gtk2 support? Vincent. _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] a bounty
It's over US$ 500 now. 2006/10/31, Burkhard Carstens [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am Dienstag, 31. Oktober 2006 18:23 schrieb A.J. Venter: I will add another 100USD to the bounty. That's 300USD so far in other words :) A.J. On Tuesday 31 October 2006 19:19, johnf wrote: I will offer $200.00 US to anyone that delivers Lazarus running either QT or GTK2 at the current level Lazarus runs today with GTK1. So what I'm saying is the IDE should be able to run using either QT or GTK2 and programs compiled as either QT or GTK2 must run. It does not have to be both - just one. I will also add another 100,- Euro but for me, it must be GTK2 because I need the freedom to write Close Source Apps .. regards, Burkhard _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives -- Atenciosamente, Alexsander da Rosa http://alexrosa.blogspot.com _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] a bounty
If I were to claim the bounty with the svn version of today, saying that gtk2 is as good as gtk1, why would you deny it? IOW, what is still missing in the gtk2 support? For starters: menu images and listview images. A.J. -- 80% Of a hardware engineer's job is application of the uncertainty principle. 80% of a software engineer's job is pretending this isn't so. A.J. Venter Chief Software Architect OpenLab International | +27 83 455 99 78 (South Africa) http://www.getopenlab.com | 086 654 2898 (Fax) http://www.silentcoder.co.za| +55 118 162 2079 (Brazil) GPG Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x27CFFE5A pgpAfjPl4gguF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [lazarus] a bounty
Am Dienstag, 31. Oktober 2006 18:23 schrieb A.J. Venter: I will add another 100USD to the bounty. That's 300USD so far in other words :) A.J. On Tuesday 31 October 2006 19:19, johnf wrote: I will offer $200.00 US to anyone that delivers Lazarus running either QT or GTK2 at the current level Lazarus runs today with GTK1. So what I'm saying is the IDE should be able to run using either QT or GTK2 and programs compiled as either QT or GTK2 must run. It does not have to be both - just one. I will also add another 100,- Euro but for me, it must be GTK2 because I need the freedom to write Close Source Apps .. regards, Burkhard _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] a bounty
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:58:09 +0200 A.J. Venter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I were to claim the bounty with the svn version of today, saying that gtk2 is as good as gtk1, why would you deny it? IOW, what is still missing in the gtk2 support? For starters: menu images and listview images. And then? Mattias _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] a bounty
On 10/31/06, A.J. Venter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually though -for me personally, QT would be a more important - once KDE4 is out, openlab WILL switch, and nothing would make me happier than to migrate wole, olad and the installer to QT instead - maximum integration. I don´t want to rain on your parade, but I think there are several factors that make this bounty more suitable to Gtk2, such as: * Qt is still too far from running Lazarus stably. * Gtk 2 has a better license scheme, so It´s more suitable to write proprietary software. You don´t need a Qt Lazarus IDE to build software for Qt-LCL. Also, as Qt-LCL already supports Utf-8, a fully-working Gtk2 IDE will make development for Qt easier. -- Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] a bounty
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:37:13 +0100 (CET) Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Mattias Gaertner wrote: That's very noble of you. But also very vague. The gtk2 will never run on the level of gtk1. Most things can and will be done better, some things like speed and library stability can not be reached. Can you elaborate on this ? What is wrong with GTK that it is not possible to get it stable ? Don't misunderstand me. gtk1 can be used to write stable apps. And the lacking features could be done with X calls and a few hacks accessing the private structures of gtk1. But this code would be harder to maintain and not portable. Examples: unicode, rtl, window z ordering, focussing Theoretically we could say, these are feature and not needed for a 'stable' lazarus version, but IMHO and many users I talked too, this would be taken as fake. These things must work better in a 1.0. The gtk1 lacks some features and has some bugs. The gtk2 has other bugs. IMHO the gtk1 lacks too many things for a lazarus 1.0. We have to take gtk2 for that. A bold statement, given that Lazarus works since ages with GTK 1 ? We got more spoiled in all these years. ;) Mattias _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] a bounty
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Mattias Gaertner wrote: On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:37:13 +0100 (CET) Michael Van Canneyt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Mattias Gaertner wrote: That's very noble of you. But also very vague. The gtk2 will never run on the level of gtk1. Most things can and will be done better, some things like speed and library stability can not be reached. Can you elaborate on this ? What is wrong with GTK that it is not possible to get it stable ? Don't misunderstand me. gtk1 can be used to write stable apps. And the lacking features could be done with X calls and a few hacks accessing the private structures of gtk1. But this code would be harder to maintain and not portable. Examples: unicode, rtl, window z ordering, focussing Out of these, I seem to be needing none... There are many other missing things which seem much more important to me, which are doable in GTK 1 as well... Theoretically we could say, these are feature and not needed for a 'stable' lazarus version, but IMHO and many users I talked too, this would be taken as fake. These things must work better in a 1.0. But it will take ages to complete this ? Is a GTK 2.0 on the roadmap for 1.0 ? I would be glad if just the current bugs (not counting unicode) were fixed. That would be enough to warrant a 1.0 release. You have to release it once, after all... The gtk1 lacks some features and has some bugs. The gtk2 has other bugs. IMHO the gtk1 lacks too many things for a lazarus 1.0. We have to take gtk2 for that. A bold statement, given that Lazarus works since ages with GTK 1 ? We got more spoiled in all these years. ;) As far as I'm concerned: Yes you are ;-) I'm still very happy with the GTK 1 version. It does all I need. But maybe I'm too modest in my expectations :-) Michael. _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
Re: [lazarus] a bounty
gtk2 uses pango which is a rather high level font rendering lib. gtk1 was almost X level and therefore fast but lacks a lot of unicode specials. OTOH SynEdit needs some fast and simple text functions. Maybe cairo is the solution. Sebastian is already working on this. Just wondering, how is GEdit implemented, isnt with GTK2? Maybe could help in this SynEdit issue... []s Cesar Romero _ To unsubscribe: mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe as the Subject archives at http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailarchives
