RE: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Hi! -Original Message- From: Charles Steinkuehler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] snip IIRC, a USB keys can be formatted as a floppy type device (ie: one partition), or as a HDD (ie: 4 primary partitions). It should be possible to make an image that has an HDD partition table with a smallish (ie: maybe 8 Megs or so, still a *LOT* bigger than a floppy) FAT partition containing the boot files as the first partition. The remaining space could be unused, or formatted and used once the LEAF system was up and running. This should make it unnecessary to know the size of the USB key (as long as the key is bigger than the boot partition size). The geometry issue shouldn't generally be a problem...the CHS geometry of the FAT filesystem is essentially embedded in the partition table, so would be written when the image is burned onto the USB key. From what i've read so far for the last 3 years or so in the syslinux list, this may or may not be true. It all depends on how the BIOS boot mechanism was designed by the mainboard manufacturer. Of course we could create one test image and ask for volunteers to test it is several machines with several USB sticks. But I guess I know the result already... no deterministic results. See, the BIOS manufacturers are Windoze centric, they couldn't care less about Linux, *BSD or other unixes. They say it's not their problem, since it boots Windoze ok... But I'm willing to 'sacrifice' one of my USB sticks to make tests in the 3 or 4 different machines I have access that can do boot from USB, and yes, that includes some hp servers :) Luis Correia Bering uClibc Team Member PGP Fingerprint: BC44 D7DA 5A17 F92A CA21 9ABE DFF0 3540 2322 21F6 Key Server: http://pgp.mit.edu --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Hey Guys, But I'm willing to 'sacrifice' one of my USB sticks to make tests in the 3 or 4 different machines I have access that can do boot from USB, and yes, that includes some hp servers :) I'll 'sacrifice' a few USB drives as well - if needed. Jorn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Luis.F.Correia Sent: 17. mars 2006 10:00 To: leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages Hi! -Original Message- From: Charles Steinkuehler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] snip IIRC, a USB keys can be formatted as a floppy type device (ie: one partition), or as a HDD (ie: 4 primary partitions). It should be possible to make an image that has an HDD partition table with a smallish (ie: maybe 8 Megs or so, still a *LOT* bigger than a floppy) FAT partition containing the boot files as the first partition. The remaining space could be unused, or formatted and used once the LEAF system was up and running. This should make it unnecessary to know the size of the USB key (as long as the key is bigger than the boot partition size). The geometry issue shouldn't generally be a problem...the CHS geometry of the FAT filesystem is essentially embedded in the partition table, so would be written when the image is burned onto the USB key. From what i've read so far for the last 3 years or so in the syslinux list, this may or may not be true. It all depends on how the BIOS boot mechanism was designed by the mainboard manufacturer. Of course we could create one test image and ask for volunteers to test it is several machines with several USB sticks. But I guess I know the result already... no deterministic results. See, the BIOS manufacturers are Windoze centric, they couldn't care less about Linux, *BSD or other unixes. They say it's not their problem, since it boots Windoze ok... But I'm willing to 'sacrifice' one of my USB sticks to make tests in the 3 or 4 different machines I have access that can do boot from USB, and yes, that includes some hp servers :) Luis Correia Bering uClibc Team Member PGP Fingerprint: BC44 D7DA 5A17 F92A CA21 9ABE DFF0 3540 2322 21F6 Key Server: http://pgp.mit.edu --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Hi forgot an important issue... The problem is normally related to CHS BIOS translation and I think it all depends on the USB stick size. Luis -Original Message- From: Luis.F.Correia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 9:00 AM To: leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages Hi! -Original Message- From: Charles Steinkuehler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] snip IIRC, a USB keys can be formatted as a floppy type device (ie: one partition), or as a HDD (ie: 4 primary partitions). It should be possible to make an image that has an HDD partition table with a smallish (ie: maybe 8 Megs or so, still a *LOT* bigger than a floppy) FAT partition containing the boot files as the first partition. The remaining space could be unused, or formatted and used once the LEAF system was up and running. This should make it unnecessary to know the size of the USB key (as long as the key is bigger than the boot partition size). The geometry issue shouldn't generally be a problem...the CHS geometry of the FAT filesystem is essentially embedded in the partition table, so would be written when the image is burned onto the USB key. From what i've read so far for the last 3 years or so in the syslinux list, this may or may not be true. It all depends on how the BIOS boot mechanism was designed by the mainboard manufacturer. Of course we could create one test image and ask for volunteers to test it is several machines with several USB sticks. But I guess I know the result already... no deterministic results. See, the BIOS manufacturers are Windoze centric, they couldn't care less about Linux, *BSD or other unixes. They say it's not their problem, since it boots Windoze ok... But I'm willing to 'sacrifice' one of my USB sticks to make tests in the 3 or 4 different machines I have access that can do boot from USB, and yes, that includes some hp servers :) Luis Correia Bering uClibc Team Member PGP Fingerprint: BC44 D7DA 5A17 F92A CA21 9ABE DFF0 3540 2322 21F6 Key Server: http://pgp.mit.edu --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720; dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 08:50, Mike Noyes wrote: On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 00:59, Luis.F.Correia wrote: But I'm willing to 'sacrifice' one of my USB sticks Luis, I think backing up your USB drive's MBR using dd should avoid any sacrifice. It should probably be a recommended first step. Something like: dd if=/dev/usb device of=originial-mbr-usb.dd bs=512k count=1 to make tests in the 3 or 4 different machines I have access that can do boot from USB, and yes, that includes some hp servers :) Excellent. :-) -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Charles Steinkuehler wrote: It should be possible to make an image that has an HDD partition table with a smallish (ie: maybe 8 Megs or so, still a *LOT* bigger than a floppy) FAT partition containing the boot files as the first partition. The remaining space could be unused, or formatted and used once the LEAF system was up and running. The makebootfat utility that was mentioned previously should be able to do that. According to their docs: The BIOS USB boot support is generally differentiated in three categories: USB-HDD, USB-FDD and USB-ZIP. The USB-HDD (Hard Disk Drive) standard is the preferred choice [...] [...] Generally these standards are incompatible, but using the -m, -F and -Z options you can create a disk compatible with all of them. Sounds interesting, eh? --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 17:24, Mike Noyes wrote: Looking a bit further on the puppy linux site revealed they have a script for initializing a bootable usb drive. http://puppylinux.org/wikka/USB Another alternative is that you can install Puppy totally onto a USB Flash drive. Again, in Start - Setup you will find a script to do that. Eric, Here is another instruction set. They even have instructions for Windows users. Knopperdisk http://knopperdisk.knopper.tk/documentation.php I strongly suggest we recommend full device backup using dd, etc. before attempting any image installation. -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 10:51, Mike Noyes wrote: On Fri, 2006-03-17 at 09:14, David Douthitt wrote: The makebootfat utility that was mentioned previously should be able to do that. According to their docs: The USB-HDD (Hard Disk Drive) standard is the preferred choice [...] I also found the Knopperdisk project's hybrid approach to support for older systems interesting. It seems they boot using a floppy+usb arrangement. We've done things similar to that in the past with, dual-floppy, pxe, and your apkg. Combining Venki's linux 2.6 kernel with this approach is interesting to ponder. David, With usb-hdd, we should be able to take a look at initramfs again. TinyGentoo did already. http://gentoo-wiki.com/TinyGentoo -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[Fwd: 2.4 vs 2.6 [WAS: Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages]]
Missed the cc: earlier ... ---BeginMessage--- 2.4 is fine as-is: people using it for production systems are not likely to move off it for a long time (if ever). You have it, it works, there's little impetus in general to move to anything else, with all the additional effort/risk/cost involved. In my particular case, this was a project requirement for various reasons - the boxes needed to be dropped off at remote locations and forgotten about (maintenance-wise) for the next 10 years, most new/custom hardware cards are targeting 2.6 rather than 2.4, and the trajectory of 2.4 is that of maintenance, while 2.6 is still seeing improvements/enhancements. The reason for ruling out uclibc in this case was that there was a significant software stack above the OS, and it was lower risk to use libc rather than uclibc/diet/pick your low-fat libc here. The reason for not using embedded Debian or Redhat or even something like M0n0wall or something else based on ipkg? There was a large legacy code base that was Bering/LRP based. Hope that helps, -Venki On 03/15/2006 06:21 PM, KP Kirchdoerfer wrote: Am Mittwoch, 15. März 2006 16:29 schrieb Venki Iyer: In any case, I did roll a 2.6-based version of Bering late last year (started out as a project effort, turned into a labor of love - thanks guys!), could probably push it back into one of the project trees if there is any interest. I'm not sure I'll be able to devote much time to it moving forward, though. Comments/thoughts - Mike, others? Venki; sounds interesting. I'd like to ask, what's your experience using a 2.6 kernel compared to a 2.4 kernel for a router? I've read that some network cards are slower with 2.6 - maybe that's solved today. What's the benefit, what does a 2.6 kernel provide you miss on a 2.4 kernel? just curious kp --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=kkid0944bid$1720dat1642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel ---End Message---
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wednesday 15 March 2006 17:19, Mike Noyes wrote: On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 12:50, Nathan Angelacos wrote: On Wednesday 15 March 2006 15:03, Eric Spakman wrote: Who is going to put the available lwp packages in leaf/bin/config/webconf? Just a question. I can take care of the ones that are in my devel area. (That would be all of them, AFAIK) Eric Nathan, I just gave write access in our new bin directory to the webconf team. Please let me know if you require further changes. Thanks. avail|arneb, dorus, espakman, hejl, hun, lfcorreia, nangel|bin/config/webconf Thanks Mike. I committed the existing lwp's to the bin area. Eric, you should be able to change your build script at your convenience. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 02:43, Eric Spakman wrote: Can someone take a look at this link and create some script around it which creates an USB-flash image? Makebootfat Bootable FAT Disk Creation 7 Multi Standard USB Booting http://advancemame.sourceforge.net/doc-makebootfat.html Eric, I found another resource that may help. README on using SYSLINUX with USB keys http://syslinux.zytor.com/usbkey.php -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Hi Mike, The problem with this kind of tools is that they expect a real USB-key available with a certain size. The problem is that we need to create and image where a few aspects are uncertain: -The size of the usb-key (Mbytes) -Geometry We need a generic tool which creates a bootable image that can be installed on any USB key. EricS On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 02:43, Eric Spakman wrote: Can someone take a look at this link and create some script around it which creates an USB-flash image? Makebootfat Bootable FAT Disk Creation 7 Multi Standard USB Booting http://advancemame.sourceforge.net/doc-makebootfat.html Eric, I found another resource that may help. README on using SYSLINUX with USB keys http://syslinux.zytor.com/usbkey.php -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 08:11, Andrea Fino wrote: Mike Noyes wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 02:43, Eric Spakman wrote: Can someone take a look at this link and create some script around it which creates an USB-flash image? Makebootfat Bootable FAT Disk Creation 7 Multi Standard USB Booting http://advancemame.sourceforge.net/doc-makebootfat.html I am wondering if may be used an ext2 filesystem. With that and extlinux (present in the last syslinux distribution) I think it's easy to boot from usb (and others). Regards, Andrea Eric, Does Andrea's suggestion help? -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 09:07, Mike Noyes wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 08:11, Andrea Fino wrote: I am wondering if may be used an ext2 filesystem. With that and extlinux (present in the last syslinux distribution) I think it's easy to boot from usb (and others). Does Andrea's suggestion help? Eric, I found a discussion on the DSL list using extlinux with usb-hdd. I hope it helps. http://damnsmalllinux.org/cgi-bin/forums/ikonboard.cgi?;act=ST;f=17;t=5683 -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eric Spakman wrote: Hi Mike, The problem with this kind of tools is that they expect a real USB-key available with a certain size. The problem is that we need to create and image where a few aspects are uncertain: -The size of the usb-key (Mbytes) -Geometry We need a generic tool which creates a bootable image that can be installed on any USB key. IIRC, a USB keys can be formatted as a floppy type device (ie: one partition), or as a HDD (ie: 4 primary partitions). It should be possible to make an image that has an HDD partition table with a smallish (ie: maybe 8 Megs or so, still a *LOT* bigger than a floppy) FAT partition containing the boot files as the first partition. The remaining space could be unused, or formatted and used once the LEAF system was up and running. This should make it unnecessary to know the size of the USB key (as long as the key is bigger than the boot partition size). The geometry issue shouldn't generally be a problem...the CHS geometry of the FAT filesystem is essentially embedded in the partition table, so would be written when the image is burned onto the USB key. - -- Charles Steinkuehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEGfkvLywbqEHdNFwRAqB2AKDQiY+5KdpXe0Y0EftNNfHu15qZBACgvP32 iKxLSWjcFowQvjRx6JRNK7A= =SZN2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 07:47, Mike Noyes wrote: Understood. I'll keep looking. Eric, I found this usb page at the Puppy Linux project. I know it's not much. I hope Charles' suggestion is of better utility. The Puppy Working USB Page http://puppylinux.org/wikka/USBWorking -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 07:22, Nathan Angelacos wrote: Have you or anyone else on the bering-uclibc team asked for help? I have. If you have time, please search the mailing lists for the words webconf development [BTW - Webconf isn't just bering-uClibc - it works with classic Bering as well. Nathan, I remember most of the devel list conversation, and the last mention was in Aug 2005. That's over a year without mentioning it on our devel list. Please don't blame lack of exposure on the bering-uClibc crew.] I'm not blaming anyone. Not that you asked, but here's my $0.02. There are a number of reasons why development has been slow, but here's one idea: A) its hard work Agreed. B) there's no reward... I believe in ego as being a factor for OS development, and right now there's no place for a budding webconf developer to put his creation on the leaf site for the world to see. This is my fault. I'm working on the issue, but I'm tasked with fixing our docbook build process first. I've had a number of conversations (see the mailing lists) with people who want to write a lwp, and the only place we have for them to put their work right now is in my devel cvs tree. That is something KP can address, or they can contact me to join us. To work on a project, then have it stored under someone else's name, buried in a cvs archive with no link to the homepage doesn't have the same reward as working on OpenWRT, posting your ipkg and letting the world see it. This seems directed at our cvs structure, website, and indirectly at me. I'll say this again,Our branch sites are under the control of their lead developer. The only two that are under my direct supervision are our hub and devel branch. I implemented some advanced features on our website that caused an ease of use issue. Specifically, I have our site serving pages to capable browsers as application/xhtml+xml (see firefox page info). The problem is any content submitted by a user that isn't well formed xhtml will render the page unreadable. Fixing the problem isn't trivial. :-( This is why I haven't opened up the devel branch to our developers for modification. Even in OpenWRT, web configuration is slow - so I think it proves the hard work bit. :-) :-) rant To get to these links, I went to http://leaf.sourceforge.net - Developers (box at top) - Angelacos, Nathan (What's Related Box) - Webconf (UI Box) Not exactly where I would look it I wanted to develop a web interface for LEAF /rant I agree. I thought this content was incorporated into the bering-uclibc documentation. :-( Mike, please don't take this as personal criticism against the leaf website - we all appreciate what you ARE able to do, I'm just making an honest observation, based on the early interest I had seen in the web interface, and what had happened to many of the developers. Understood. I make mistakes, and all I can do is try to learn from them. If I had it to do over again, I would have never implemented application/xhtml+xml on a working phpWebSite without tidylib available. I hope installing mediawiki will alleviate most of these issues. It'll give everyone a place for content. Greg Morgan is familiar with what mediawiki can do, and can answer questions better than I can. -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 07:09, KP Kirchdoerfer wrote: Am Mittwoch, 15. März 2006 15:48 schrieb Mike Noyes: Have you or anyone else on the bering-uclibc team asked for help? Yes, the framework and the lack of lwp's has been mentioned from to time on the leaf lists. KP, Do you have a plan to address the issue? Should we use SF Help Wanted, or something else to attract the people/talent needed for this task? -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0944bid$1720dat1642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Hello Mike, rant To get to these links, I went to http://leaf.sourceforge.net - Developers (box at top) - Angelacos, Nathan (What's Related Box) - Webconf (UI Box) Not exactly where I would look it I wanted to develop a web interface for LEAF /rant I agree. I thought this content was incorporated into the bering-uclibc documentation. :-( It is: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/buc-devel.html http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/buc-install.html Eric --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 08:03, Eric Spakman wrote: I agree. I thought this content was incorporated into the bering-uclibc documentation. :-( It is: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/buc-devel.html http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/buc-install.html Eric, Hum, a google search using site:leaf.sourceforge.net lwp only returned two hits, and the devel guide wasn't one of them. -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Hello Mike, I agree. I thought this content was incorporated into the bering-uclibc documentation. :-( It is: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/buc-devel.html http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/buc-install.html Eric, Hum, a google search using site:leaf.sourceforge.net lwp only returned two hits, and the devel guide wasn't one of them. That's strange To get things going: can you make a link from the mainpage to the lwp development documentation in the Bering-uClibc section? Also it would be nice if the contents of Nathan's CVS space could be moved to a more generic place (I think we need Kp for this). Some other questions to the list: -Is someone willing to put effort in creating lwp (webconf) plugin packages? -Does someone know how to create an image which can be installed on a USB-flash key? Is there some sort of tool (GPL) available which creates such an image and/or makes a flash disk bootable? Eric --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 08:57, Eric Spakman wrote: To get things going: can you make a link from the mainpage to the lwp development documentation in the Bering-uClibc section? Eric, I think an article for the hub is in order. That would give links and information. KP or I can post it, but I think Nathan is the best person to compose the announcement. Also it would be nice if the contents of Nathan's CVS space could be moved to a more generic place (I think we need Kp for this). This requires opening a SR with the SF staff. Any one of our project admins can do this. Some other questions to the list: -Is someone willing to put effort in creating lwp (webconf) plugin packages? I have the same question. -Does someone know how to create an image which can be installed on a USB-flash key? Is there some sort of tool (GPL) available which creates such an image and/or makes a flash disk bootable? I think DSL has documentation on this. http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/USB_Booting Note: they're using mediawiki. http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Mike, I fully recognize that nobody else is stepping up as Documentation/Website Admin, and we all appreciate the job you are doing. I hope you'll take these as comments of what one person sees could make things a little better. Its just my perspective - and you are more than welcome to send this to /dev/null. I won't be offended. :-) On Wednesday 15 March 2006 11:02, Mike Noyes wrote: To work on a project, then have it stored under someone else's name, buried in a cvs archive with no link to the homepage doesn't have the same reward as working on OpenWRT, posting your ipkg and letting the world see it. This seems directed at our cvs structure, website, and indirectly at me. I'll say this again,Our branch sites are under the control of their lead developer. The only two that are under my direct supervision are our hub and devel branch. Sorry if you read it that way, I wasn't trying to direct anything, just expressing the view as a lowly developer. I am not a member of the bering-uClibc team, the Bering team, or any other branch. I'm just a developer. Webconf is a web ui that works in the bering branch and the bering-uclibc branch, and with very little work would work in the oxygen branch. A lwp is just shell script that would work on a OpenWRT linksys router - not even LEAF. (really!) Since its just a component, it doesn't belong in any specific branch. So where does it go? Where it goes doesn't matter as much as where the end user has to look to find it. Right now the end-user has to play hunt-the-lwp through each developer's tree. I've got no issues with the CVS structure or you, but it would be nice to get some of the presentation hurdles out of the way to make it easier for the average non-affiliated developer to publicly contribute to the project. Please understand that I'm using webconf as an example, I'm *NOT* hoping to get webconf promoted to branch level or anything... The above statements could apply equally to a lrp - ipkg converter, or better lrp package system, or some other really cool idea some developer has. snip Mike, please don't take this as personal criticism against the leaf website - we all appreciate what you ARE able to do, I'm just making an honest observation, based on the early interest I had seen in the web interface, and what had happened to many of the developers. Understood. I make mistakes, and all I can do is try to learn from them. If I had it to do over again, I would have never implemented application/xhtml+xml on a working phpWebSite without tidylib available. I hope installing mediawiki will alleviate most of these issues. It'll give everyone a place for content. Greg Morgan is familiar with what mediawiki can do, and can answer questions better than I can. Mediawiki would be a good thing IMHO. Imagine: when some weirdo comes along with his web configuration ui that doesn't quite fit anywhere in the structure of things, park him somewhere in the wiki, let him document (or not) to his heart's content, and let Google figure out if its worth advertising to the world. This would also allow others to easily contribute to the web site content, and you can let the bering-uClibc folks figure out how they want to get their xml sources imported into mediawiki. Sounds like a win-win-win. Cheers --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Hello Mike, -Does someone know how to create an image which can be installed on a USB-flash key? Is there some sort of tool (GPL) available which creates such an image and/or makes a flash disk bootable? I think DSL has documentation on this. http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/USB_Booting Nope, not really. This only says boot the DSL CD-rom and select a menu-item to install on USB ;) Note: they're using mediawiki. Which is a good thing. http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb This would be the same sort of setup we would use: fdisk the pendrive, make it bootable, copy the contents, syslinux it and edit some files. This is no image setup and that's where I'm looking after. -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs Eric --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wednesday 15 March 2006 12:48, Mike Noyes wrote: Also it would be nice if the contents of Nathan's CVS space could be moved to a more generic place (I think we need Kp for this). This requires opening a SR with the SF staff. Any one of our project admins can do this. Clarfication - webconf (the core) is already in leaf/src/config/webconf Mike already did that for us some time ago. (Thanks mike!!!) The docs weren't moved to the generic config part of the cvs tree because I had hoped the bering-uClibc would adopt them. They did recently, so I guess the only thing left is for someone to the web pages I referred to earlier to the buc guides instead of my devel tree. Then I'll be happy to kill my devel tree. If nobody does it, I'll also be happy to keep my devel tree. Doesn't matter either way. :-) What's NOT in leaf/src/config/webconf is all of the .lwp's (anything beyond webconf.lrp / webconf.lwp)Perhaps there's a place for them in the same spot. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 09:58, Nathan Angelacos wrote: I fully recognize that nobody else is stepping up as Documentation/Website Admin, and we all appreciate the job you are doing. Nathan, Unfortunately, I'm not doing a very good job. :-( On Wednesday 15 March 2006 11:02, Mike Noyes wrote: To work on a project, then have it stored under someone else's name, buried in a cvs archive with no link to the homepage doesn't have the same reward as working on OpenWRT, posting your ipkg and letting the world see it. This seems directed at our cvs structure, website, and indirectly at me. I'll say this again,Our branch sites are under the control of their lead developer. The only two that are under my direct supervision are our hub and devel branch. Sorry if you read it that way, I wasn't trying to direct anything, just expressing the view as a lowly developer. I am not a member of the bering-uClibc team, the Bering team, or any other branch. I'm just a developer. I'm just one of our project admins, and not a developer. I was always marginal, I'm less than that now. Webconf is a web ui that works in the bering branch and the bering-uclibc branch, and with very little work would work in the oxygen branch. A lwp is just shell script that would work on a OpenWRT linksys router - not even LEAF. (really!) Since its just a component, it doesn't belong in any specific branch. So where does it go? We created a section in our cvs source tree for config. I thought that was the main area, and website allocation was up to branch leads. Of course you have your section in our website devel branch (broken because of my application/xhtml+xml serving). http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/leaf/src/config/ Are you willing to writeup a 'webconf request for assistance' announcement that I can post on our hub? Where it goes doesn't matter as much as where the end user has to look to find it. Right now the end-user has to play hunt-the-lwp through each developer's tree. Understood, and I agree that's not good. :-( I've got no issues with the CVS structure or you, but it would be nice to get some of the presentation hurdles out of the way to make it easier for the average non-affiliated developer to publicly contribute to the project. Would a move to SVN help? Please understand that I'm using webconf as an example, I'm *NOT* hoping to get webconf promoted to branch level or anything... The above statements could apply equally to a lrp - ipkg converter, or better lrp package system, or some other really cool idea some developer has. Understood. This was what we had, sort of, prior to SF limiting project shell space usage. :-( I hope installing mediawiki will alleviate most of these issues. It'll give everyone a place for content. Greg Morgan is familiar with what mediawiki can do, and can answer questions better than I can. Mediawiki would be a good thing IMHO. Imagine: when some weirdo comes along with his web configuration ui that doesn't quite fit anywhere in the structure of things, park him somewhere in the wiki, let him document (or not) to his heart's content, and let Google figure out if its worth advertising to the world. This would also allow others to easily contribute to the web site content, and you can let the bering-uClibc folks figure out how they want to get their xml sources imported into mediawiki. Sounds like a win-win-win. Agreed. Mediawiki should help overcome SF imposed limitations, and my phpWebSite mistakes. -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Hello Nathan, Also it would be nice if the contents of Nathan's CVS space could be moved to a more generic place (I think we need Kp for this). This requires opening a SR with the SF staff. Any one of our project admins can do this. Clarfication - webconf (the core) is already in leaf/src/config/webconf Mike already did that for us some time ago. (Thanks mike!!!) Great! The docs weren't moved to the generic config part of the cvs tree because I had hoped the bering-uClibc would adopt them. They did recently, so I guess the only thing left is for someone to the web pages I referred to earlier to the buc guides instead of my devel tree. Then I'll be happy to kill my devel tree. If nobody does it, I'll also be happy to keep my devel tree. Doesn't matter either way. :-) What's NOT in leaf/src/config/webconf is all of the .lwp's (anything beyond webconf.lrp / webconf.lwp)Perhaps there's a place for them in the same spot. leaf/bin/config/webconf? Mike, do you agree? Eric --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 10:09, Nathan Angelacos wrote: What's NOT in leaf/src/config/webconf is all of the .lwp's (anything beyond webconf.lrp / webconf.lwp)Perhaps there's a place for them in the same spot. Nathan, How about a new directory in src/config called lwp? We can open that directories write access to all of our project developers, or restrict it as desired. -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 10:34, Eric Spakman wrote: What's NOT in leaf/src/config/webconf is all of the .lwp's (anything beyond webconf.lrp / webconf.lwp)Perhaps there's a place for them in the same spot. leaf/bin/config/webconf? Mike, do you agree? Eric, Either location is acceptable. I think it might be easier to keep the lwp's out of the core webconf tree. leaf/bin/config/webconf/lwp -or- leaf/bin/config/lwp It's just a slight difference in the modification to CVSROOT/avail. -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wednesday 15 March 2006 13:40, Mike Noyes wrote: On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 10:09, Nathan Angelacos wrote: What's NOT in leaf/src/config/webconf is all of the .lwp's (anything beyond webconf.lrp / webconf.lwp)Perhaps there's a place for them in the same spot. Nathan, How about a new directory in src/config called lwp? We can open that directories write access to all of our project developers, or restrict it as desired. I'm ok with it; although it should probably be combined with Eric's suggestion of leaf/bin/config/webconf That way a developer could also upload a binary lwp (or lrp, yes, there are webconf lrps) If anyone has suggestions for what you are looking for in webconf developers, I'll be happy to collect the ideas and draft a request for assistance announcement. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 10:09, Eric Spakman wrote: http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb This would be the same sort of setup we would use: fdisk the pendrive, make it bootable, copy the contents, syslinux it and edit some files. This is no image setup and that's where I'm looking after. Eric, Ok. I'll see if I can locate something. -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 10:54, Nathan Angelacos wrote: On Wednesday 15 March 2006 13:40, Mike Noyes wrote: I'm ok with it; although it should probably be combined with Eric's suggestion of leaf/bin/config/webconf That way a developer could also upload a binary lwp (or lrp, yes, there are webconf lrps) Nathan, Ah. I missed the bin/ in Eric's post. Not something that I'd have missed before. :-( How about, leaf/bin/config/webconf -and- leaf/src/config/webconf/lwp -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 11:13, Mike Noyes wrote: On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 10:54, Nathan Angelacos wrote: That way a developer could also upload a binary lwp (or lrp, yes, there are webconf lrps) Ah. I missed the bin/ in Eric's post. Not something that I'd have missed before. :-( How about, leaf/bin/config/webconf Everyone, I just created this directory. CVS avail configuration is pending developer suggestions/comments. -and- leaf/src/config/webconf/lwp Avail states that any of the following people plus our project admins can add a directory to src/config/webconfig: avail|arneb, dorus, espakman, hejl, hun, lfcorreia, nangel|src/config/webconf -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 12:03, Eric Spakman wrote: Who is going to put the available lwp packages in leaf/bin/config/webconf? Just a question. Eric, It depends on who we want to grant write access to in avail. Existing binary lwp packages, already stored elsewhere in our repository, will require SF staff intervention (via SR) to move. -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 12:50, Nathan Angelacos wrote: On Wednesday 15 March 2006 15:03, Eric Spakman wrote: Who is going to put the available lwp packages in leaf/bin/config/webconf? Just a question. I can take care of the ones that are in my devel area. (That would be all of them, AFAIK) Eric Nathan, I just gave write access in our new bin directory to the webconf team. Please let me know if you require further changes. Thanks. avail|arneb, dorus, espakman, hejl, hun, lfcorreia, nangel|bin/config/webconf -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Am Mittwoch, 15. März 2006 16:29 schrieb Venki Iyer: In any case, I did roll a 2.6-based version of Bering late last year (started out as a project effort, turned into a labor of love - thanks guys!), could probably push it back into one of the project trees if there is any interest. I'm not sure I'll be able to devote much time to it moving forward, though. Comments/thoughts - Mike, others? Venki; sounds interesting. I'd like to ask, what's your experience using a 2.6 kernel compared to a 2.4 kernel for a router? I've read that some network cards are slower with 2.6 - maybe that's solved today. What's the benefit, what does a 2.6 kernel provide you miss on a 2.4 kernel? just curious kp --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0944bid$1720dat1642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 16:21, KP Kirchdoerfer wrote: I'd like to ask, what's your experience using a 2.6 kernel compared to a 2.4 kernel for a router? KP, I think Tom Eastep might have a list of a few benefits of kernel 2.6 over 2.4 for firewalls. Ray and Charles may have some insights on the embedded side. http://www.shorewall.net/IPSEC-2.6.html http://www.shorewall.net/LinuxFest.pdf Others with kernel 2.6 routing and embedded experience please jump in. Thanks. -- Mike Noyes mhnoyes at users.sourceforge.net http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
