Re: [leaf-user] Re: lets talk about something--anything!

2005-06-29 Thread KP Kirchdoerfer
Am Dienstag 28 Juni 2005 15:01 schrieb Michelle Konzack:
 Am 2005-06-27 23:54:44, schrieb cpu memhd:
  Only 64 messages this month. Are less and less people using leaf, what
  is going on with everyone? I have been slowley rolling out leaf boxes

 Because LEAF has not satisfait me ?

 I was continuing LRP 2.9.4 to 2.9.5 and 3.0.0
 and in 2003-04 I had 4.0.0 running.

 Now, since around 10 month I am using a full
 GNU/Linux distri as router.


Ok, but have you ever tried any LEAF flavour? 
LEAF roots are in LRP, but the intention was to resolve technical and social 
issues of LRP.
And why have you've been dissatisfied with LEAF?

just asking
kp


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RE: LEAF on WRAP box - was Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about someth ing--anything!

2005-06-29 Thread Luis.F.Correia
Hi!

Comments from a WRAP user ;)

-Original Message-
From: Martin Hejl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hyperterminal, at least in my experience). The biggest hurdle here is
finding the proper terminal settings (default should be 9600 8N1 - but
as I said, I haven't used a WRAP box yet). It _should_ be mentioned in
the manual though.

Well, there are two settings, 9600 and 38400, BIOS selectable.

happen to have lying around in your electronics junk box). Most of the
problems I've seen on the various mailing lists are due to marginal
power supplies (marginal in the sense that they provide enough power for
average usage, but fail and cause the box to crash/lock up if for some
reason power consumption jumps up).

Guilty! It has happened to me after adding the wireless card...

To get going (the easy way), the only thing else you need is a CF card
reader (if you don't want to boot with PXE - I don't know if the WRAP
boards support that), so you can transfer the base image to the compact
flash card (it's also convenient to get your box back up and running if
you've mis-configured it in a way that it will no longer boot - it's
happened to me a few times, and being able to pop in the CF into my
desktop and fix things saved a lot of time).

No, the WRAP board does not support PXE booting, and you have to prepare
the CF first. Personally I edit the files in my Windows system, and transfer
it to the CF using na USB card reader. I even use syslinux from within 
Windows itself.


I hope that helps

Martin

Luis Correia


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RE: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!

2005-06-29 Thread Luis.F.Correia
Hi!

-Original Message-
From: cpu memhd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: quarta-feira, 29 de Junho de 2005 5:26
To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!

Hello Eric,

I know these packages exist and it is easy to setup. But there are still
too many steps envolved for the average n00b. Consider for a moment, a
prospective user: one must first decide which packages to
use:

dropbear/openssh? ipsec/openvpn? dhcpcd/dnsmasq? shorwall.lrp/iptables.lrp
(confusing for those who don't [yet]
know shorewall is a highlevel frontend to iptablets)

I consider LEAF a professional grade router/firewall solution, not for the
average Joe User.
If all this is scary, use an hardware router, disable all logging on it (to
avoid crashes) and you will be mostly fine. I have been looking at some of
them lately and the quality of those products has improved a lot!

Once this is determined, one has to shuffle disks and type all those
strange/foreign unix commands (4.3. Create a bootable HD). Run syslinux,
copy/modify syslinux.cfg and leaf.cfg. One simple typo and the system won't
boot.
Where to seek help; the leaf mailing list? I doubt it. This is too
intimidating already.

This mailing list is not intimidating, judging from the amount of docs we
have, we should expect that people would read them. Sometimes not even
README is read...

Anyhow, I guess what I'm really suggesting is to have a standard
(8-12MB?) CF/HD image with the package-equivalent of say a snapgear or
m0n0wall. Enough to boot a feature rich
leaf distro. -cpu

Not practical to do.
Even if you have a CF/HD image, most users will not be able to do anything
with it. Their problem is with Linux in general, not LEAF in particular.
I remember back in the LRP days, the complains we had about the
'idiot-images', they never seem to manage to make the users happy...

The only thing I could possibly agree with you is the documentation, it is
way too technical for most users BUT, the answers are all there.

Again, if this does seem way too complex, buy an hardware router.

Luis Correia   
Bering uClibc Team Member

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Re: LEAF on WRAP box - was Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!

2005-06-29 Thread M Lu
Thank all of you very much for your useful information. So I think I will 
need


- WRAP box
- corresponding enclosure case
- Power supply
- CF card
- a mini-PCI wireless card

Do you recommend me any specific power supply and/or CF card? Is the 
18V-0.83A-15W power supply from one of the WRAP distributors good enough for 
all LANs and added-wifi?


Thanks again.

M Lu.


- Original Message - 
From: Luis.F.Correia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 3:46 AM
Subject: RE: LEAF on WRAP box - was Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about 
something--anything!




Hi!

Comments from a WRAP user ;)


-Original Message-
From: Martin Hejl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hyperterminal, at least in my experience). The biggest hurdle here is
finding the proper terminal settings (default should be 9600 8N1 - but
as I said, I haven't used a WRAP box yet). It _should_ be mentioned in
the manual though.


Well, there are two settings, 9600 and 38400, BIOS selectable.


happen to have lying around in your electronics junk box). Most of the
problems I've seen on the various mailing lists are due to marginal
power supplies (marginal in the sense that they provide enough power for
average usage, but fail and cause the box to crash/lock up if for some
reason power consumption jumps up).


Guilty! It has happened to me after adding the wireless card...


To get going (the easy way), the only thing else you need is a CF card
reader (if you don't want to boot with PXE - I don't know if the WRAP
boards support that), so you can transfer the base image to the compact
flash card (it's also convenient to get your box back up and running if
you've mis-configured it in a way that it will no longer boot - it's
happened to me a few times, and being able to pop in the CF into my
desktop and fix things saved a lot of time).


No, the WRAP board does not support PXE booting, and you have to prepare
the CF first. Personally I edit the files in my Windows system, and 
transfer

it to the CF using na USB card reader. I even use syslinux from within
Windows itself.



I hope that helps

Martin


Luis Correia


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Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!

2005-06-29 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello Cpu,

I know these packages exist and it is easy to setup. But there are
still too many steps envolved for the average n00b. Consider for a
moment, a prospective user: one must first decide which packages to
use:

dropbear/openssh? ipsec/openvpn? dhcpcd/dnsmasq?
shorwall.lrp/iptables.lrp (confusing for those who don't [yet] know
shorewall is a highlevel frontend to iptablets)

That's true, but one should always use the base (floppy) image as starting 
point. The image contains all the packages needed for a complete 
router/firewall. Most other packages are not for the average n00b ;-)

Once this is determined, one has to shuffle disks and type all those
strange/foreign unix commands (4.3. Create a bootable HD). Run
syslinux, copy/modify syslinux.cfg and leaf.cfg. One simple typo and
the system won't boot. Where to seek help; the leaf mailing list? I
doubt it. This is too intimidating already.

Anyhow, I guess what I'm really suggesting is to have a standard
(8-12MB?) CF/HD image with the package-equivalent of say a snapgear or
m0n0wall. Enough to boot a feature rich leaf distro. 

It would be nice if that was possible, but unfortuanatly like Luis told, it's 
not that easy. For example, we don't know which device is the bootdevice, hda1, 
hdb1, something else? In my case it's hdc1. So editing leaf.cfg and 
syslinux.cfg is still needed.
An other problem is how to put the image on the CF, with 'dd'? That's really a 
strange UNIX command.
I'm also not sure if the size of the image must be the same as the CF size.

Eric




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Re: LEAF on WRAP box - was Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!

2005-06-29 Thread Erich Titl

Hi

M Lu wrote:
Thank all of you very much for your useful information. So I think I 
will need


- WRAP box
- corresponding enclosure case
- Power supply
- CF card
- a mini-PCI wireless card


+ Pigtail
+ Antenna



Do you recommend me any specific power supply and/or CF card? Is the 
18V-0.83A-15W power supply from one of the WRAP distributors good enough 
for all LANs and added-wifi?


Should be OK the WRAP draws AFAIK about 7W. I am running mine on a 12W 
power supply.


cheers

Erich



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Re: LEAF on WRAP box - was Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!

2005-06-29 Thread M Lu

Hi Erich,

Your reminding me on the pigtail and antenna is very good. Martin Hejl was 
kind enough to explain 'pigtail' to me as I did not know what it was.


I will try to make the WRAP box work first and will add WIFI later.

Cheers.



- Original Message - 
From: Erich Titl [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: M Lu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: LEAF on WRAP box - was Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about 
something--anything!




Hi

M Lu wrote:
Thank all of you very much for your useful information. So I think I will 
need


- WRAP box
- corresponding enclosure case
- Power supply
- CF card
- a mini-PCI wireless card


+ Pigtail
+ Antenna



Do you recommend me any specific power supply and/or CF card? Is the 
18V-0.83A-15W power supply from one of the WRAP distributors good enough 
for all LANs and added-wifi?


Should be OK the WRAP draws AFAIK about 7W. I am running mine on a 12W 
power supply.


cheers

Erich



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Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!

2005-06-29 Thread Adam Niedzwiedzki

Hi Eric,

Thanks for that, but (now don't laugh at me) that's the problem I have is 
not even knowing where to begin with compiling it. I know my way around a 
leaf machine with my eyes shut, installing modules,setting up just about 
anything, I've rolled out around 8 leaf box's on various networks, but for 
the life of me learning to setup a box to compile/build packages has me lost 
:(


I know there is documentation on it, but because I'm not a fluent *nix user 
I'm lost with it...


Cheers
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- Original Message - 
From: Eric Spakman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!



Ad,

If you use Bering-uClibc and buildtool, you will see that ulogd's 
buildtool.mk file already has the lines to compile the mysql plugin:


(cd $(ULOGD_DIR) ; CC=$(TARGET_CC) LD=$(TARGET_LD) 
CFLAGS=$(BT_COPT_FLAGS) ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc )
# (cd $(ULOGD_DIR) ; CC=$(TARGET_CC) LD=$(TARGET_LD) 
CFLAGS=$(BT_COPT_FLAGS) \
# 
./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --with-mysql=$(BT_STAGING_DIR)/usr


If you comment the first line and uncomment the next two lines, the plugin 
will be compiled. The only thing you have to do is add the plugin to the 
ulogd package and configure it.


Eric Spakman


Hmm let me rephrase that..

Not knowing what to do with ulogd *grin*, I know my way round php/mysql
just
fine.
So I'm just after ulogd compiled with the mysql plugin working.
(something
about static linking but I have no idea what that means).

Then I can build my own php/mysql interface LOL..

*ugh* it's been a long day...

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- Original Message -
From: Adam Niedzwiedzki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!


 Hmm how about someone compiling a ulogd module for bering-uclibc that
has
 mysql support so I can have shorewall log packets to mysql :)
 Could make some very nice php web graphing to go with it..

 *grin*

 I have tried but not being a programmer, really have no idea what I'm
 doing

 Cheers
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RE: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!

2005-06-29 Thread David Pitts
 
I have this problem as well!  I rely on someone else to compile but
luckily I use standard packages or someone is always good enough to do
that for me!

More power to the list!

Regarding the difficulty of setting LEAF up, sure it's a steep learning
curve for a Linux newbie but I am living proof that it can be done with
the support you guys provide!  My only experience before Linux was Dos!!

David Pitts  
IT Services Manager
Reid Library 
University of Western Australia  
 
Telephone:   (08) 6488 3492 Fax:  (08) 6488 1012

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam
Niedzwiedzki
Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2005 6:08 AM
To: Eric Spakman
Cc: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!

Hi Eric,

Thanks for that, but (now don't laugh at me) that's the problem I have
is not even knowing where to begin with compiling it. I know my way
around a leaf machine with my eyes shut, installing modules,setting up
just about anything, I've rolled out around 8 leaf box's on various
networks, but for the life of me learning to setup a box to
compile/build packages has me lost :(

I know there is documentation on it, but because I'm not a fluent *nix
user I'm lost with it...

Cheers
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- Original Message -
From: Eric Spakman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!


 Ad,

 If you use Bering-uClibc and buildtool, you will see that ulogd's 
 buildtool.mk file already has the lines to compile the mysql plugin:

 (cd $(ULOGD_DIR) ; CC=$(TARGET_CC) LD=$(TARGET_LD) 
 CFLAGS=$(BT_COPT_FLAGS) ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc
)
 # (cd $(ULOGD_DIR) ; CC=$(TARGET_CC) LD=$(TARGET_LD) 
 CFLAGS=$(BT_COPT_FLAGS) \
 # 
 ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc
--with-mysql=$(BT_STAGING_DIR)/usr

 If you comment the first line and uncomment the next two lines, the
plugin 
 will be compiled. The only thing you have to do is add the plugin to
the 
 ulogd package and configure it.

 Eric Spakman

 Hmm let me rephrase that..

 Not knowing what to do with ulogd *grin*, I know my way round
php/mysql
 just
 fine.
 So I'm just after ulogd compiled with the mysql plugin working.
 (something
 about static linking but I have no idea what that means).

 Then I can build my own php/mysql interface LOL..

 *ugh* it's been a long day...

 Ad
 - Original Message -
 From: Adam Niedzwiedzki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net
 Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!


  Hmm how about someone compiling a ulogd module for bering-uclibc
that
 has
  mysql support so I can have shorewall log packets to mysql :)
  Could make some very nice php web graphing to go with it..
 
  *grin*
 
  I have tried but not being a programmer, really have no idea what
I'm
  doing
 
  Cheers
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Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!

2005-06-29 Thread bino_oetomo
Here is my version.

We (I and my staff) stat using LRP in 2000.
At that time, we have 0 (zero) linux knowledge.
we realized that there is to much (for us, totaly stupid linux newbie)
configuration file that we need to open and edit to do the configuration.

With my very minimal experience as a dbase-III programmer, I start Sneaking
all the configuration file and that init-script.
Bingo ... I realize that most of the configuration can be done directly from
the console-command, unless for the wireless part (we didn't now about
iwconfig yet).

We have to get prepared for a semi-mass-deployment of wireless router. With
numbers of less-trained installers. We have to make the configuration
lo-easier
Start googling  seeking for BASH documentation.

Bla.. bla .. bla ...
We end up with rolling (at least) 60 box LRP based wireless router that come
with only 1 configuration file (win.ini style). Never use lrcfg anymore
unless for configuration-file backup.
We role that 60 box ... may be in just 2 - 3 month.

Until now ... I think I rolled out 100 box , mixed of modified LRP , Bering,
WISP-dist.

I stop rolling out LEAF-based wireless router 1 - 2 years ago, since there
is too many Taiwan's CPE floating arround. It's not practical anymore to
hang a PC in 100 ft towers.

I noticed that some of my box is still operational till now.

Now, I only roll Mikrotik-based router.
The only reason is because i'm a damn stupid coder, so that I could not add
any Friendly user Interface to LEAF.

Thats my storry
Thanks to all LRP/LEAF coders

-bino-



- Original Message -
From: David Pitts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!



I have this problem as well!  I rely on someone else to compile but
luckily I use standard packages or someone is always good enough to do
that for me!

More power to the list!

Regarding the difficulty of setting LEAF up, sure it's a steep learning
curve for a Linux newbie but I am living proof that it can be done with
the support you guys provide!  My only experience before Linux was Dos!!

David Pitts
IT Services Manager
Reid Library
University of Western Australia

Telephone:   (08) 6488 3492 Fax:  (08) 6488 1012

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam
Niedzwiedzki
Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2005 6:08 AM
To: Eric Spakman
Cc: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!

Hi Eric,

Thanks for that, but (now don't laugh at me) that's the problem I have
is not even knowing where to begin with compiling it. I know my way
around a leaf machine with my eyes shut, installing modules,setting up
just about anything, I've rolled out around 8 leaf box's on various
networks, but for the life of me learning to setup a box to
compile/build packages has me lost :(

I know there is documentation on it, but because I'm not a fluent *nix
user I'm lost with it...

Cheers
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- Original Message -
From: Eric Spakman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!


 Ad,

 If you use Bering-uClibc and buildtool, you will see that ulogd's
 buildtool.mk file already has the lines to compile the mysql plugin:

 (cd $(ULOGD_DIR) ; CC=$(TARGET_CC) LD=$(TARGET_LD)
 CFLAGS=$(BT_COPT_FLAGS) ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc
)
 # (cd $(ULOGD_DIR) ; CC=$(TARGET_CC) LD=$(TARGET_LD)
 CFLAGS=$(BT_COPT_FLAGS) \
 #
 ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc
--with-mysql=$(BT_STAGING_DIR)/usr

 If you comment the first line and uncomment the next two lines, the
plugin
 will be compiled. The only thing you have to do is add the plugin to
the
 ulogd package and configure it.

 Eric Spakman

 Hmm let me rephrase that..

 Not knowing what to do with ulogd *grin*, I know my way round
php/mysql
 just
 fine.
 So I'm just after ulogd compiled with the mysql plugin working.
 (something
 about static linking but I have no idea what that means).

 Then I can build my own php/mysql interface LOL..

 *ugh* it's been a long day...

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 - Original Message -
 From: Adam Niedzwiedzki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net
 Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!


  Hmm how about someone compiling a ulogd module for bering-uclibc
that
 has
  mysql support so I can have shorewall log packets to mysql :)
  Could make some very nice php web graphing to go with it..
 
  *grin*
 
  I have tried but not being a programmer, really have no idea what
I'm
  doing
 
  Cheers
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