[leaf-user] RE: [Leaf-devel] is Bering GNU?

[speck]

George,

I'm kind of curios.  Why did you feel the need to cross-post to lists not
related to LEAF?  Odd, one in San Diego and the other in New York?  How
incredibly odd.  Did you want encompass the United States, some LEAF
developers are not US citizens you know, you might want to cross post to
lists in France, Germany, Brazil and Japan too.

If you had leaf related questions, why did not ask them on the publicly
available LEAF-USER list and not copy email lists that the VAST majority of
people on said lists are not subscribed too?  Instead of asking specific
questions you start off with a general leading question and then launch into
an attack. 

I name thee TROLL!  I thought about not sending this message, but you just
didn't appear to do your research and quite frankly there is a hell of a lot
of FREE support on the leaf-user lists.  I note that
http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=and&format=short&config=l
eaf-user_lists_sourceforge_net&restrict=&exclude=&words=George+Georgalis
shows that a lot of folks spent a LOT of FREE time helping you out.

Never the less, these messages are in the archive so I will endeavor to
answer some of your attacks ^H^H^H^H^H^H concerns and ignore others at my
whim.  And then, quite possibly, black hole any further messages from you
because I can and life is not fair.  :)  I will probably also supply
frivolous information to amuse myself because it's late and I am occasionally
a random sentence generator.  At least that may provide amusement to some.

Leaf-project is several different distro's with similar and differing
objectives.  Your inability to instantly gain all knowledge of it without
spending some time doing YOUR homework is tiresome.  You assume that because
you think you know Linux that you should be able to instantly understand 1 of
5 specialized distributions in the LEAF project and the compromises necessary
to fit them on a floppy disk?  I wish I had your knowledge and learning
skills.  No, wait... No I don't.

Note:  I am speaking for myself because you irked me and it's late where I
am.  
Comments inline marked 

> -Original Message-
> From: George Georgalis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 10:56 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Leaf-devel] is Bering GNU?
> 
> I'm beginning to have my doubts. Where is 
> /usr/src/linux/.config?  Where are the other compile time 
> options for other binaries?  Just how was 
> Bering_1.0-rc3_img_bering_1680.bin made?

  doubt away and use another project.  OR ask politely and you directed
to the information.  Volunteer projects have a problem - NO PAID SUPPORT!  If
you perceive a lack, ask/gather the information, do a write up and submit it
for inclusion in the FAQ's/Documentation.  I will endeavor to direct you to
some of the documentation you obviously missed on your first or second
perusal of our site.  I think the site is up to 2-3GB.

> After spending a good part of a week, and _all_ day Friday 
> getting up a Bering router before a deadline -- subsequently 
> missing the first day of a conference http://h2k2.org -- I 
> looked back at what was the problem. I discovered I was 
> hacking around a product (the Bering image) much like the 
> manner of before I used Linux. I have this disk image, that I 
> mount to find, compressed archives, containing finely 
> tailored scripts and a handful of binaries. Together they 
> make up the GNU Bering.  (And maybe other leaf versions as well.)

  Nothing personal but I am reminded of an old IT saying.  You lack of
planning does not necessarily constitute an emergency on my part ESPECIALLY
when you're NOT paying for my time!  Why would anyone but you care that you
were late to something?  Did you get fired?  Why would LEAF be relevant to
your not planning sufficient testing and implementation time in a project?
Configuration is through lrcfg.  Not the same as a full distro of Linux.

  My first experience was with the Eigerstein distro and I had it set up
in 25 minutes.  At the time, I didn't even know what Linux was.

  Leaf, being specialized, oddly enough, has to make compromises on how
some things work.  

   Perhaps the Bering user doc was to much for you
http://leaf.sourceforge.net/devel/jnilo/busers.html
 Perhaps the Bering Installation guide was insufficient
http://leaf.sourceforge.net/devel/jnilo/binstall.html


> I have hunted all over http://leaf-project.org and 
> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ for the source, or even a file 
> that says version xx.yy.zz of busybox was compiled with the 
> following patch and compile time options. Or maybe a tgz of 
> the /usr/local/src/bering where the image was made? Nothing. 
> I find myself writing scripts to extract and compress lrp 
> files. Surely everyone doesn't gzip -c9 what they made by tar 
> cf after mounting and extracting their first floppy image?  
> Is this the intended way to indoctrinate new developers to 

Re: [leaf-user] comments about freesco ?

[speck]

Please keep in mind that this is the LEAF project now
and has advanced significantly beyond it's roots.  :)

LEAF has several distro projects, a very active
developer community and amail support list.

Sorry, never used freesco.  Once I found the Eigerstein
it met my needs.  Currently using Dachenstein.

-sp

On Thu, 27 June 2002, "Jay" wrote

> 
> Yeah I've tried freesco, its pretty easy to use, but
'I' found that the LRP
> projects:
> * are updated much more frequently (last update on
freesco i think was in
> 2000)
> * have a much larger user base
> * have more configuration options
> 
> I 'was' using freesco for around 6-8 months... I
didn't have 'too' much
> dramas with it.. but i defintely feel more
comfortable using
> bering-1.0rc3(for the above reasons)
> 
> In my opinion, its pretty much the same as LRP but
'much' simpler...
> 
> (They may have updated it from when i last used it,
>From memory the version
> i was using was FreeSCO 0.2.7, there was whispers of
FreeSCO 0.3.0 but i
> don't know if it is released yet)
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> 
> Jay
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jean-Roch Blais" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 12:33 PM
> Subject: [leaf-user] comments about freesco ?
> 
> 
> > Anybody tried Freesco, any comments compared with
lrp's like Daschtein ???
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [leaf-user] Nessus scan of Dachstein Firewall

[speck]

Your logs probably ate all your free memory.
I had this happen when I did a similiar scan, my system
slowly became less responsive.  The firewall never
failed protecting, but it did stop passing packets for
a while.

I see your biggest warning was using the earlier
version of ssh :).  All in all not bad eh?

-sp


On Thu, 13 June 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

> 
> I scanned one of my firewalls just for the fun of it.
 
> We've been using Nessus for scanning a client's
network 
> to prepare for a security audit.  Nothing fancy, just 
> a "default, don't DOS or destroy anything" type of 
> scan.  Thought you all might be interested.  Dach CD 
> 1.02 (I updated some packages awhile back, libz...)
> 
> It says the WWW server crashed.  This is Weblet.  It 
> didn't crash really, it kinda got confused.  When I 
> looked it was running 20 or so servers, a bunch of
seds, 
> and was not responding to requests.  I killed a bunch
of 
> processes, then it restarted itself.
> 
> Here it is...
> 
> Nessus Scan Report
> --
> 
> 
> 
> SUMMARY
> 
>  - Number of hosts which were alive during the test :
1
>  - Number of security holes found : 0
>  - Number of security warnings found : 6
>  - Number of security notes found : 9
> 
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Re: [leaf-user] portforward with ipchains

[speck]

There is a FAQ on this here:
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=4427&group_id=13751

I use it to access my box currently.  

Let me know if it is just the one port.  I think
Terminal Server uses 3389 and Citrix uses 1494.  I
probably need to update the FAQ.

-sp


On Tue, 04 June 2002, Ray Olszewski wrote

> 
> At 09:37 AM 6/4/02 -0400, Jaime Goncalves wrote:
> >Hi I'm trying to rdp into my win2k server behind my
lrp box this is the
> >command to open the port on the lrp box from the
command line  "ipchains
> >-A  forward -p tcp -s xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx 3389 -d
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx 3389 -j
> >ACCEPT"
> >can any one see a problem with the syntax
> 
> 
> The syntax looks fine.
> 
> But in choosing to conceal the IP addresses involved,
you left open the 
> question of whether this setup is a simple router or
a NAT'ing router. If 
> the LEAF router is NAT'ing, you'll need to add a
port-forwarding entry (via 
> ipmasqadm) instead of this ipchains entry. And in any
case, you may need to 
> modify the input chain to ACCEPT incoming traffic
from or to (or both) port 
> 3389. (And since I am unacqquainted with the rdp
service, I don't actuaally 
> know that it can be made to work through a NAT'd
connection at all.)
> 
> Oh, one qualification on my syntax comment ... you
are adding (-A) this 
> rule rather than inserting (-I ##) it. This means it
gets put at the *end* 
> of the forward chain. Since packets pass through the
rules of a chain in 
> order until they hit a matching one, it is possible
that some rule prior to 
> the one you are creating will catch and act on the
packets. This is why a 
> chain's rules have to be evaluated as a set, not
singly, in isolation.
> 
> If this really was just a question about the syntax
of ipchains commends, 
> then you are set. If you are experiencing trouble
with the hookup, though 
> (as I suspect), you'll probably need to post a more
complete trouble 
> descriptnion. See the "SR FAQ" link below for help if
you need to do this.
> --
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> odds!"--
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Re: [leaf-user] Broadcast traffic and dnscache

[speck]

On Thu, 23 May 2002, Greg Ford wrote

> 
> Hi 
> 
> Questions:
> 1) How do I disable dnscache? I tried editing 
> /etc/init.d/dnscache to turn it off, but which 
> package do I need to back up to save this change?
>

Instructions modified from the Dachenstein Readme
1) Exit the lrcfg menu system to get to a command prompt

2) Mount the Firewall disk
  mount -t msdos /dev/fd0u1680 /mnt

3) Edit the syslinux configuration file
  edit /mnt/syslinux.cfg

4) Remove dnscache from the list of packages to load
  old:
LRP=etc,ramlog,local,modules,dhclient,dhcpd,dnscache,weblet
  new:
LRP=etc,ramlog,local,modules,dhcpd,dhclient,weblet

5) Save the file -s and exit -q

6) Optional: Delete the dhclient package
  rm /mnt/dnsclient.lrp

7) Unmount the LEAF disk
  umount /mnt

 
> > 
> Thanks Heinz

-sp



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Re: [leaf-user] Windows Media Server through Dachstein Firewall

[speck]

Forgot one more
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q284211&SD=MSKB&;
Windows Media Services and NAT

On Wed, 22 May 2002, "Alex Neblett" wrote

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a Windows Media Server which I would like to
place behind our
> Dachstein firewall and have the equivalent of port
forwarded to the internet
> via the public interface on the firewall.
> 
> For normal web servers, I just port forward port 80
or 443 for ssl. Since
> Windows Media uses ip multicast, I am unsure how to
do this.
> 
> Thanks, in advance for your assistance.
> 
> Alex
> 
> 
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Re: [leaf-user] Windows Media Server through Dachstein Firewall

[speck]

For MS Products, gotta love Technet.
In a conviently titled article I hope is relavant.
Firewall and POrts Used by Windows Media Services
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q189416&SD=MSKB&;

NOTE: Link may wrap.

Other Technet articles that may help are Q267310,
Q306858.  If you get it working write it up for
inclusion in the FAQ's section.

Looks like you might be playing with the registry a
bit. :) 

-sp


On Wed, 22 May 2002, "Alex Neblett" wrote

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have a Windows Media Server which I would like to
place behind our
> Dachstein firewall and have the equivalent of port
forwarded to the internet
> via the public interface on the firewall.
> 
> For normal web servers, I just port forward port 80
or 443 for ssl. Since
> Windows Media uses ip multicast, I am unsure how to
do this.
> 
> Thanks, in advance for your assistance.
> 
> Alex



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RE: [leaf-user] IPsec client for windows (free)

[speck]

Try this 
http://security.nta.no/freeswan-w2k.html
For getting W2K and Free Swan to cooperate.
ALso, for SSH on WIndows 2000 try loading the Cygwin
tools on your system OR several more methods of ssh on
WIndows systems
http://www.openssh.org/windows.html

-sp



On Tue, 21 May 2002, "Brock Nanson" wrote

> 
> Have a look at SSH Sentinel (ssh.com).  My
understanding is that
> personal use is free, but you should read the fine
print to be sure.
> It's know as a solid IPSec client for windows and
works well with
> FreeS/WAN.
> 
> Brock
> 
> > Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > From: "Joey Officer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Roberto Pereyra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: RE: [leaf-user] IPsec client for windows
(free)
> > Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:22:28 -0500
> > 
> > Depending on what version of windows, I believe
Win2k has 
> > some ipsec client built in...
> > 
> > Joey
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of 
> > Roberto Pereyra
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:16 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [leaf-user] IPsec client for windows (free)
> > 
> > 
> > Hi
> > 
> > Someone knows some IPsec client for windows
> > (best free) that works with Bering.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance
> > 
> > Roberto Pereyra
> > Gualeguaychu
> > Argentina
> > http://www.linux-net.com.ar
> > GnuPG keyID: BB43E337
> > http://pgp.mit.edu
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Re: [Leaf-user] DachsteinCD security questions

[speck]

http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=1417&group_id=13751

-sp

On Wed, 27 March 2002, Dale Mirenda wrote

> 
> I've just succeeded in setting up my first
Linux-based VPN using
> DachsteinCD. I greatly appreciate the high quality of
the Dachstein package
> and the (passive) help I got from browsing archives
of this list.
> 
> At this point, I have two security-related questions:
> 
> 1. How can I apply a password to the "root" login
that takes you to lrcfg at
> bootup? Without password protection, anyone with
access to the console could
> get into the configuration data.
> 
> 2. If I use telnet to access my remote firewalls only
through the VPN, do I
> create a security problem? Should I use ssh for this
instead of vanilla
> telnet?
> 
> Thanks for your help, both future and past.
> 
> Dale Mirenda
> 
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Re: [Leaf-user] best release for single floppy with wireless?

[speck]

Haven't had the time to try it out, but Pete Dubler
just announced a wireless package for Dachenstein
http://www.leaf-project.org/devel/petedd/wireless_leaf/
Also, check out WRP 
http://www.leaf-project.org/mod.php?mod=userpage&menu=906&page_id=24
which is designed by nocat.net 

Someone else also had some packages made up, so if you
search the maillist archives for 'wireless' you will
prbably find a link there as well.

-sp

On Thu, 14 March 2002, Eric House wrote

> 
> I want to upgrade a home network from LRP 2.9.4 to
one of the LEAF
> firewalls.  The internal nic in my router is a
wireless card -- uses
> ray_cs.o -- so I'll need the pcmcia stuff.  And I
have only one floppy
> drive available, need dhclient, want sshd, and am
otherwise a
> demanding SOB.
> 
> Anyway, I can't figure out from the sourceforge site
if there is a
> pcmcia package, let alone what release to use it
with.  Can anyone
> suggest the best starting point for building the
router I want?
> 
> (I have a machine running Debian slink available.)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --Eric House
> 
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RE: [Leaf-user] UPNP port problem

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On Tue, 05 March 2002, "Simon Bolduc" wrote

> >Keep in mind that if grc's scanner can see a
stealth'd port, that means
> >more advanced tools can see it as well.  If a port
is closed, then all
> >that means is that it is closed and will NOT respond
to requests on >that 
> >port.
> 
> That isn't correct.  A closed port responds saying
that the port is closed 
> (as in no services are being offered on that port,
and it isn't expecting 
> any data).  A stealth port doesn't respond at all and
is indicative of a 
> fully firewalled computer, or that there isn't a host
at that address at 
> all.  Thus GRC's scanner can't actually see a
stealthed port - the results 
> would be the same if you turned off your computer.
> 
> S

So I got the closed part right, but I thought I
recalled from some other lists last year that there
were some scanners that could 'see' stealthed ports. 
>From the thread, it was a slower porccess the stealth
ports delay would cause issue's.  Hmmm I will have
to do some searching next week.  No time this week.

In the long run, as long as you have a good firewall, I
don't know that stealthing your IP address really does
as much good as some folks believe.  But Most of the
time I was set up, I was also offering services so
stealthing ports wouldn't do me much good as I
definitly had open ports.

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Re: [Leaf-user] My Mistake, but?

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Try the instructions here.

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"Lonnie Cumberland" wrote

> 
> Oops!!!
> 
> Sorry for the last email.
> 
> I just found out that Echowall is an LRP package that
is added to
> Dachstein. I guess that I will have to add it to the
boot floppy when
> I use the CDROM version.
> 
> Actuall, I am wondering if it would be easy to put
the Dachstein
> CDROM LRP onto a small hard disk partition and have
it boot from
> there.
> 
> That is how I actually had the Eigerstein running and
was very easy
> to maintain.
> 
> Cheers,
> Lonnie
> 
> > Lonnie:
> >
> > You can best find echoWall on freshmeat.net. The
blurb
> > there is fairly accurate. :)
> >
> > http://freshmeat.net/projects/echowall/
> >
> > cheers,
> > Scott
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Lonnie Cumberland wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Scott,
> >>
> >> I think that I will now proceed to upgrade my old
EigerStein LRP
> >> to the newer Dachstein one.
> >>
> >> Could you please tell me about this "EchoWall"?
> >>
> >> Thandk again for being a REAL help.
> >> cheers,
> >> Lonnie
> >>
> >> > Lonnie, Boyd:
> >> >
> >> >  Ah, serendipity. :) One email, two answers...
> >> >
> >> >  To get a PPTP-based VPN client working from
behind a
> >> > LEAF/LRP disk, you need to do four things (none
of which is
> >> > to search the email archives, though that works
too ;):
> >> >
> >> > 1. Be sure to be using a "VPN enabled kernel".
Dachstein has
> >> >   this by default. Earlier stuff, including
2.9.8, doesn't.
> >> >   See Charles' page for the kernels. If you
install a new
> >> >   one, *always* install with it the associated
modules.
> >> >
> >> > 2. Load the PPTP masq module: uncomment its line
in
> >> > /etc/modules,
> >> >   backup, reboot.
> >> >
> >> > 3. Goof the firewall rules to allow protocol 47
and port 1723
> >> >   in.
> >> >
> >> > 4. Use the "ipfwd" utility (ships by default) to
forward the
> >> >   GRE (protocol 47) packets across the firewall.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >  As you'd expect, steps 3 & 4 are done for you
automagically
> >> > using the echoWall package.
> >> >  Hope this helps!
> >> >
> >> > -Scott
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Re: [Leaf-user] floppy base (wasglibc & pppoe... )

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On Fri, 18 January 2002, "Kenneth Hadley" wrote:

> > If they had to buy a flash or DOC, then they might as well buy a Linksys.
> With the LEAF floppy systems, I have found that half the folks get more
> interested in networking and Linux, which I regard as a plus.
> >
> > -sp
> > $0.02
> 
> I totally understand and agree with most of what you have said, but when I
> look at new CDROM drives going for the same price tag of a new 1.44MB Floppy
> Drive it seams a more than a little funny that a old floppy drive is a more
> important media target for a project than something that is a lot more
> reliable and allows the project to do so much more.
> 
> Of course this is just my .02 cents worth...and about a $1.98 short of
> something that makes sense ;-)
> 
> 
> -Kenneth Hadley

I restate and throw in a nickel.  :)

I am not that far removed from when $15.00 in non-food/living expenses was an event to 
be planned for.  Then the options were to be selected, let's see...save for monitor, 
sound card cpu upgrade, car repair :)  Please no tangents about affordability, 
job, poor, etc :0, thru study, hard work and LUCK I improved my lot in life, but I 
know others who have not hit that 'luck' mark yet. ;)

I like the idea of a more powerful and flexible system avaible on CD, with config 
files on a floppy, BUT, I think that maintaining a simpler floppy base distribution is 
a good goal (even 1.68MB).  It enforces build disipline (ie, no wasted crap on base 
installs) and it provides a usable/afordable solution for the majority of people 
setting this stuff up.  Those on this list with DMZ's and ipsec tunnels, and etc and 
not the probable majority of users.  (Could be wrong, this is an opinion).  They just 
want to set up something that firewalls systems.

People have been marching the floppy drive's death for years now, and it still ends up 
a practical tool.  (hell, corporate installs of OS's)  When something as cheap and as 
good/better becomes avaiable, then the floppy will die.  Burnable CD-Rom's are getting 
there, but not as ubiquitous yet.

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Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: [Leaf-user] glibc & pppoe...

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On Fri, 18 January 2002, "Kenneth Hadley" wrote:

> - Original Message -
> From: "Charles Steinkuehler" > > Well, I *have* effectevly abandoned the 1440 floppy 
>format (for anything
> > other than the config floppy for a CD-ROM install), but I really want to
> > keep a workable firewall running on a 1680K floppy.  Note the new
> Dachstein
> > releases are actually *SMALLER* than the previous EigerStein releases,
> while
> > supporting more features!
> >
> > Charles Steinkuehler
> 
> For which many of us are very grateful for your work Charles. Except for a
> config I'm under the opinion that the floppy is dead. In computer technology
> its a stagnate dinosaur whose time for retirement has long been late,
> however its reliability and being available on almost every PC has made it
> live on much longer than it should.
> If the advancement of the various projects in LEAF means goodbye to the
> floppy, then so be it.
> 
> I look forward to all further improvements in all the various LEAF projects.
> 
> Kenneth Hadley
I like to have the floppy configuration avaiable.  While it is 'old' technology, there 
remain many who cannot afford flash w/ide adaptors, etc.  Since I have inheritted 
several older systems, it costs me little to nothing to set one up for someone.  And 
while one or two have CD Rom drives, all have floppy drives.

If they had to buy a flash or DOC, then they might as well buy a Linksys.  With the 
LEAF floppy systems, I have found that half the folks get more interested in 
networking and Linux, which I regard as a plus.

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Re: [Leaf-user] remote access to dachstein

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On Thu, 17 January 2002, Victor McAllisteer wrote:

> 
> There was a post here recently from someone who got libz.lrp and sshd.lrp to fit on
> a single floppy.  He stripped the pretty version of weblet and used one without
> graphics if I remember correctly.  Unfortunately the search feature does not appear
> to work on the list so I can't find the message.  You could also use the old
> version of sshd which is vulnerable to "man in the middle" but takes a lot less
> floppy space.
> 
> I would not recommend teleneting into your router.  Anyone along the path can sniff
> anything you say including the password.
> 
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Erich
> 
here it is 
http://www.mail-archive.com/leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net/msg03628.html

telnet across the internet bad.  :)

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Re: [Leaf-user] Observations on DCD/IPSec Setup & Documentation

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On Fri, 11 January 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> One key observation that I'd like clarification on: Routing Non-routable 
> Addresses in Dachstein.  
> 
> I followed a rough lab setup I found on the 'net, that used generic Red Hat 
> boxes for each tunnel endpoint, with a dual NIC Red Hat box between them doing 
> vanilla ip forwarding.  I followed the diagrams to the letter so I couldn't get 
> lost, but in the end, nothing worked.  It appears to me that using the author's 
> private IPs on eth0 of a DCD box just doesn't work.  DCD seems to be enforcing 
> the non-routable rule.  I changed all my 172.16 networks to 174.16 networks, 
> and the floodgates opened up.  Questions:
> 
> 1.  Is my observation correct?  Is the LRP/DCD code enforcing the non-routable 
> rule?

Yes.
> 2.  Where does this code live/how can it be deactivated or reconfigured?

Haven't played with Dachenstein yet, but look here:
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=2869&group_id=13751 
for where it was in the Eigerstein series.  I suspect it may still be there.  It 
that's the case, let me know and I'll update it.

> Dan

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Re: [Leaf-user] Multipule LRP's using VMWARE

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So, as a mere theoritical question

senario:  3 seperate boxs with seperate gateway/network destinations.  Combine to one 
box with 4 NICs.

Question:
Why not alias the internal network nic with 2 ip addresses, set the clients to use 
whatever gateway they are supposed to and setup the routing tables to route to the 
appropriate external NIC based on the gateway the client is using?

Now, even if this was posible (and I have NO idea if it is), I imagine that it would 
include some seriously customized scripts.  

-sp

On Thu, 10 January 2002, Jack Coates wrote:

> 
> No -- using three gateways to share load is about as good as it gets.
> 
> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Patrick last wrote:
> 
> > Well I never could get what I was wanting to do working...
> >
> > For example. I have 3 separate internet connections. Different users use
> > different ones for various reasons. But all the users are on the same
> > network, so they just have different gateways set. I don't know how to use a
> > LRP system with 3 external connections, and 1 possibly 2 (1 for a dmz) to
> > the internal network and have different users use different "gateways". Is
> > it possible?
> >
> > Patrick Ford
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> > >From: Jack Coates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: Patrick last <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Subject: Re: [Leaf-user] Multipule LRP's using VMWARE
> > >Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:21:35 -0800 (PST)
> > >MIME-Version: 1.0
> > >Received: from [66.1.155.123] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id
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> > >Received: from felix.monkeynoodle.org (felix.monkeynoodle.org
> > >[192.168.1.1])by mail.monkeynoodle.org (Postfix) with ESMTPid 043B42A7A5;
> > >Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:14:39 + (UTC)
> > >Received: from felix.monkeynoodle.org (felix.monkeynoodle.org
> > >[192.168.1.1])by felix.monkeynoodle.org (Postfix) with ESMTPid B6DA810CA;
> > >Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:21:35 -0800 (PST)
> > >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:17:23 -0800
> > >In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Message-ID:
> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > >On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Patrick last wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I was wondering someting. I have 3 lrp boxes. I have a fairly fast spare
> > > > system (dual P3x650). If I installed VMware and put six nics in a
> > >system,
> > > > could I then run 3 "virtual" copies of LRP and not have to have three
> > >boxes
> > > > sitting around?
> > > >
> > > > Patrick Ford
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >Concievably, but not sure what the point would be. It'd be easier to set
> > >up the one system as a six-interface router, with LRP or a regular
> > >distribution. Having the host distro to run VMWare on would remove a lot
> > >of the security reasons for using LRP, and once you've made that
> > >decision you might as well take advantage of having lots of disk space
> > >and memory to work with.
> > >
> > >--
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> >
> >
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Re: [Leaf-user] host ignores redirects to itself ???

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On Wed, 09 January 2002, "Michael D. Schleif" wrote:
> Now, the problem has re-occured on same system:
> 
> Jan  9 00:35:18 redtrout kernel: host 0a01a8c0/if8 ignores redirects for 0a01a8c0 to 
>0a01a8c0.

Well, this won't be much help but I'm going to shoot for this much anyway.

redtrout, I'm guessing that that's your router name.

0a 01 a8 c0 = 192.168.1.10
if8 dropping the i = 248
so that would be 192.168.1.10/248

so it could be rewritten to say 
redtrout kernel: host 192.168.1.10/248 ignores redirects for 192.168.1.10 to 
192.168.1.10

So, what's at 192.168.1.10?
This was purely a theoretical exercise on my part, so I look forward to corrections.

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Re: [Leaf-user] DCD, ipsec & windows networking ???

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I alwasy did hate browse issues, the tools available to troubleshoot issues were 
always limited.

Network Neighborhood is generally available through local subnet broadcast info.  It 
can take up to 30 minutes for a new machine to pop up on the list.  This type of info 
generally won't hop a router.  Hence WINS servers.  SAMBA can replace an NT WINs 
server.

IF you can \\ip.add.re.ss\sharename and have a window open, then an entry in the 
LMHOST file 'should' enable it to work with the machine name.  I am not sure if it 
will also show up in the browse list.  
h... DOH

>From technet..
Note   NetBIOS over TCP/IP (NetBT) is defined by Internet Engineering Task Force RFCs 
1001 and 1002. These RFCs define the different name resolution modes—broadcast, 
point-to-point, mixed, and hybrid—that a computer uses to resolve IP addresses from 
NetBIOS names. 
By installation default, a Windows 2000–based computer not configured as a WINS client 
or WINS server uses broadcast mode for name resolution and is called a B node. A B 
node is a computer that uses IP broadcasts for NetBIOS name resolution. 
IP broadcast name resolution can provide dynamic name resolution. However, the 
disadvantages of broadcast name queries include increased network traffic and 
ineffectiveness in routed networks. Resources located outside the local subnet do not 
receive IP broadcast name query requests because, by definition, IP-level broadcasts 
are not passed to remote subnets by the router (default gateway) on the local subnet.
As an alternate method to IP broadcasts, Windows 2000 enables you to manually map 
NetBIOS names to IP addresses for remote computers by using the LMHOSTS file. Selected 
mappings from the LMHOSTS file are maintained in a limited cache of mappings. This 
memory cache is initialized when a computer is started. When the computer needs to 
resolve a name, the cache is examined first and, if there is no match in the cache, 
Windows 2000 uses broadcast mode IP broadcasts to try to find the NetBIOS computer. If 
the IP broadcast name query fails, the computer parses the complete LMHOSTS file (not 
just the cache) to find the NetBIOS name and the corresponding IP address. This 
strategy enables the LMHOSTS file to contain a large number of mappings without 
requiring a large chunk of static memory to maintain an infrequently used cache. Then, 
if the computer cannot resolve the name with the LMHOSTS file, the computer uses DNS 
for name resolution.
The LMHOSTS file can be used to map computer names and IP addresses for computers 
outside the local subnet (an advantage over the broadcast method). You can use the 
LMHOSTS file to find remote computers for network file, print, and remote procedure 
services and for domain services, such as logging on, browsing, and replication. 
The Windows 2000–based LMHOSTS method of name resolution is compatible with the TCP/IP 
LMHOSTS files of Microsoft® LAN Manager 2.x. 
end quote

Looks like you may have to enable netbios on the Win2k system.  
Local Area Connection\Properties\tcp ip\advanced\wins
You will probably want Enable LMHOST lookup and Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP.

Msintaining and replicating LMHost is a pain when you reach beyod a few systems.  Have 
fun testing.

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Re: [Leaf-user] DCD, ipsec & windows networking ???

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Can you ping various IP Addresses accross the link?  Can you connect to systems with 
\\ip.ad.dre.ss\c$ and get a username/password prompt?  If not, then look at routing.  
If so, then it becomes a WINs/lmhosts issue.

-sp

On Wed, 09 January 2002, "Michael D. Schleif" wrote:
> OK, we have setup two (2) ipsec gateways on two DCD firewalls across the
> internet.  Standard tcp/ip stuff works as expected.
> 
> Now, we want to get the m$oft windoze networks on each side to interact
> with each other, as if they are on the same network.
> 
> We have setup lmhosts files on each side for testing purposes; but, we
> cannot get windoze networking to work.
> 
> What changes to the firewall are necessary?
> 
> mds
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Re: [Leaf-user] MSN & Gaming

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On Wed, 09 January 2002, "Joris Kempen" wrote:
> But now I have some questions:
> 
> - I use MSN quit a lot because all my friends do (I prefer IRC), and you can
> send/receive files using MSN.
> 
> I can receive the files people sent to me, but I'm not able to sent my own
> files to other peoples. What do I need to change to make this work?

You will need to look at the readme file for MSN, you want to find out what ports it 
wants open on the firewall.  Alternatively, you 'MAY' be able to send using a SOCKs 
proxy (tho, I have never used one) that you would have to setup on you Dachenstein 
system.

> - I also want to do some gameplaying over the internet, especially Age of
> Empires II for Windoze, but I am not able to join or host any games.
> 
> When I join a game I get "unable to join game" and when I host a game, i get
> as IP my local ip address 192.168.1.1 etc.
> 
> Is it possible to make this game work from behind my firewall? Just want to
> play head2head to someone I know.
Again, this is a ports issue, you will need to find out which ports the game needs 
open and then open them on the firewall.

> How about other games, am I getting the same problems with my firewall
> 
> Can I reconfigure it?
Yes.
> 
> BTW I use Dachstein disk-image
> 
> Gr Joris

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Re: [Leaf-user] Dachstein on Hard Drive

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On Thu, 03 January 2002, "Simon Bolduc" wrote:

> 
> Well the instructions are in no way complete - and gloss over little things 
> like partitioning ;)  tho most people on the list can figure that out.   I 
> suppose I should prolly do a re-write
> 
> S
> 
Well, they were definitly better than not having them, so I submitted them to the 
patch amnager in their current state.  They can always be updated.

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Re: [Leaf-user] Dachstein and wireless

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I imagine the doc's could also go on leaf and I would be interested in seeing them.  
In my copious spare time, I'm trying to setup a wireless link to my neighbors house.  
I have all the hardware, just haven't had the time.

-sp

On Thu, 03 January 2002, Pete Dubler wrote:

> 
> Charles,
> 
> I have just set-up a Dachstein LRP as a wireless client.  I used the
> Aironet ISA-342 which I got from Northwest Technical for only $99.  It
> is a 30mW radio and works great.  I have a draft write-up or how-to.
> The how-to will be tested by another fellow next week sometime and then
> I will release it.  If  you would like to be a beta site for the how-to,
> let me know.  I am running on a 486-66 with a 100MB disk and 48MB RAM.
> I have a 20MB partition for Dachstein and am 8MB ramdisk set-up in the
> configuration.  (very generous on resources)
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Pete Dubler
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 
> Charles Baker wrote:
> 
> > Does Dachstein have any support for wireless cards and
> > pcmcia? Anyone got a favorite wireless card, or rather
> > one known to work easily w/ Linux in general and
> > Dachstein or Eigerstein in particular? Thanks.
> >
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Re: [Leaf-user] Dachstein on Hard Drive

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On Thu, 03 January 2002, "Reginald R. Richardson" wrote:

> 
> Can anyone tell me, why the Seach FEATURE at GEOCRAWLER is no longer available
> in their redesigned website.
No.
However mail-archive has search still.
>From here:
http://leaf.sourceforge.net/content.php?menu=14&page_id=20
You can get to here.
http://www.mail-archive.com/leaf-user%40lists.sourceforge.net/

 
> Since that is gone, makes me have to ask this question again,
> 
> Charles, a few months ago, u posted a message to some one, on how to use
> DACHSTEIN on a HARDDRIVE, the procedure was somewhat almost the same as the
> EigerStein HD how-to, but with some tweeks..
> 
> CAn u please send me a message letting me know what was those special
> procedures..
AND here appears to be the message
http://www.mail-archive.com/leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net/msg02388.html

Hmmm... maybe need to put them on leaf.

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Re: [Leaf-user] How do you use the bootdisk.bin file???

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ACK!  HTML mail.  Please don't do that any more.

In NERO (I think) you need to go to
File\New
Scroll down to CD-ROM (Boot)
Browse to the bootdisk.bin

Essentially, bootable CD's use floppy boot technology to perform bootups. So the 
'bootable' floppy must be placed at the start of the CD Rom so that it knows it is 
bootable.

-sp


On Wed, 02 January 2002, "Craig Caughlin" wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi folks,
> I'm trying to understand how to create my own 
> bootable CD and some of you have been kind enough to respond. Charles relied to 
> me by saying:
>  
> Create a new CD image using appropriate 
> software...make sure you use the bootdisk.bin disk image to make the CD 
> bootable.  The proper mkisofs commandis included in the CD-ROM 
> readme.
>  
> I don't understand how to use the 
> bootdisk.bin image with my Nero software to create the CD (I think Nero only 
> recognizes .nrg, .iso, or .cue files...not .bin)??? He goes on to say: 
> 
>  
> WARNING:  If you need to change 
> root.lrp, the kernel, or any syslinux settings (including root ramdisk size), 
> you'll need to modify the bootdisk.bin floppy-disk image...it's a plain 1.44 Meg 
> disk image, and can be manipulated with all the normal tools (dd, winiamge, 
> rawrite, &c). 
>  
> What 
> does he mean "modify" the bootdisk.bin image, and why would you want to or need 
> to???
>  face=Arial> 
> Thank 
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Re: [Leaf-user] Linux Router Logo

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Ed Zahurak wrote:

> > A GIF of the logo is available at:
> >
> > http://www.digitech.org/~tjunkie/lrp3.gif
> >
> > Feel free to use and share this logo image as you wish.

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RE: [Leaf-user] RE: Dachstein Documentation

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On Wed, 21 November 2001, "Peter Nosko" wrote:

> 
> > From: Charles Steinkuehler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> > I did get the e-mail earlier, just forgot to reply :(
> 
> pn] BTDT.
> 
> > > > software.  I'd like a more active format like html or even Adobe
> > Acrobat.
> >
> > This is where doc-book comes in.  I don't know if there are
> > decent tools for
> > writing Doc-Book formatted documents on windows yet, but once written, it
> > translates cleanly to plain-text, HTML, PDF, and probalby other formats...
> 
> pn] Never heard of Doc-Book.  I'm running SuSE Linux 7.1 and can put up any
> version of RH.  Are there tools on these platforms for Doc-Book?

I know that Red Hat and debian have doc book tools.  In all probability SUSE does as 
well.

> > IMHO, if we don't write in Doc-Book, we should probably just use
> > plain text.
> 
> pn] I'll have to see if I can find a source format that easily makes other
> formats.  I really like PDFs because they can be active or printed in plain
> 'ole hard-copy.  I've personally moved beyond from using fingers/toes in
> printed docs to loving links in active electronic docs.  But I understand
> that when you're at the command line (which I still love), PDFs can be
> frowned upon.

The nice thing about about doc book is that it's write once, convert to anything.  I 
wasn't able to spend a lot of time with it, but here is a basic run down.

It's like writing HTML pages by hand.  There are tools out there, I just couldn't 
figure them out last year, though I would probably have better luck.

Download the example template and fill in the blanks.
How to write
Joe Doe



etc and so on.

The nice thing is, all the source is in text format, so it is easily modified.  The 
hardest thing for me to get my mind around was that you did not do any formatting.  
Instead the template did.  There are paragraph tags, emphasize tags, descriptions, 
titles, section headings tags, etc.  When you are done writing, you run it through a 
format convertor (Openjade) and according to the conversation rules it will convert it 
to whateevr you want.  PDF?, no problem, HTML? One document or each section in it's 
own page?, staight text? here you go.  Very nice stuff.

> > See any of the many linux HOWTO's at linuxdoc, including the HOWTO-HOWTO,
> > which discusses writing documents using the DocBook format.
> ---
> Peter Nosko

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-sp 



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Re: [Leaf-user] ES2B Dachstien and Rogers@home

[speck]

I went to set my cousin up (he has one of those blue modems) and it wasn't working.  I 
didn't try turning it off for 5 minutes though.  I also hadn't had time to research it 
either.  Maybe after this holiday.

-sp

On Tue, 20 November 2001, Ray Olszewski wrote:

> 
> Just a blue-sky thought here ... there used to be reports, back on the LRP
> lists, that, in some cases, clearing a MAC address required more than a
> simple modem reset. Some people reported needing to power-down (as in unplug
> from the wall socket) the modem for 5 minutes, presumably to clear some
> equivalent of the CMOS a PC uses to hold state between boots. If your "reset
> of the modem" hasn't been this thorough, you might try this approach and see
> if it helps.
> 
> At 02:03 PM 11/20/01 -0500, Simon Bolduc wrote:
> >I too am with @home, as is a friend of mine, we both upgraded to the current 
> >release of dachstein and while he is experiencing the same problem as you, I 
> >am not.  He has tried different NICs, reconfiguring etc.  This could 
> >potentially be an issue with your modem caching your MAC address (though a 
> >reset of the modem should repair this if that is the problem - and it 
> >doesn't) - or perhaps the headend modem caching the MAC.  Just out of 
> >curiousity is your modem a blue Terayon Modem - made out of plastic, kinda 
> >looks like a shark's fin??  that is the type my friend has, - and is 
> >different than my type of modem.  It could also be a rogue dhcp server as 
> >the resolution of a traceroute seems a little odd for the DHCP address.
> [old stuff deleted]
> 
> 
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