RE: [leaf-user] How to set up bridging with Bering?
Craig, I am not sure what you mean. Can you please provide more details? I Have a suspicion of what you are trying to do. But I need more information. Thanks. Troy -Original Message- From: Craig [mailto:craigcaughlin@;attbi.com] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:36 PM To: LEAF Subject: [leaf-user] How to set up bridging with Bering? Hi folks, What do I need to do to set up 2 Bering boxes to bridge 2 subnets? Is there any info available (I've looked, but didn't find any)? I notice in the /etc/network/interfaces file there's a Bridge entry that's commented out, and a reference to more files. Thank you. Craig --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
RE: [leaf-user] How to set up bridging with Bering?
Hi folks (and Troy, too), I'm actually trying to connect a VPN tunnel through an existing network, but because I want ALL traffic to flow from one subnet...through the existing network...and on to the other subnet, I'm not sure if this is a bridge question/problem for the group or just a regular VPN question/problem. I tend to think that the result I'm looking for *seems* like a bridging scenario, but because I also want the traffic to be encrypted, I'm not sure where to start. Anyway, that's what I'm trying to achieve. For reference, check out my previous posting entitled "Bering VPN questions-School project". Thank you. Craig -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:leaf-user-admin@;lists.sourceforge.net] On Behalf Of Troy Aden Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 1:45 PM To: 'Craig'; LEAF Subject: RE: [leaf-user] How to set up bridging with Bering? Craig, I am not sure what you mean. Can you please provide more details? I Have a suspicion of what you are trying to do. But I need more information. Thanks. Troy -Original Message- From: Craig [mailto:craigcaughlin@;attbi.com] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:36 PM To: LEAF Subject: [leaf-user] How to set up bridging with Bering? Hi folks, What do I need to do to set up 2 Bering boxes to bridge 2 subnets? Is there any info available (I've looked, but didn't find any)? I notice in the /etc/network/interfaces file there's a Bridge entry that's commented out, and a reference to more files. Thank you. Craig --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] How to set up bridging with Bering?
> Hi folks (and Troy, too), > I'm actually trying to connect a VPN tunnel through an existing network, > but because I want ALL traffic to flow from one subnet...through the > existing network...and on to the other subnet, I'm not sure if this is a > bridge question/problem for the group or just a regular VPN > question/problem. I tend to think that the result I'm looking for > *seems* like a bridging scenario, but because I also want the traffic to > be encrypted, I'm not sure where to start. Anyway, that's what I'm > trying to achieve. For reference, check out my previous posting entitled > "Bering VPN questions-School project". Thank you. This is a VPN problem, not a bridging problem. What you basically need to do is replace the default route on your system with a route through your VPN tunnel. There are a couple of practical problems you can run into when doing this, but it is quite possible. There's a fair amount of documetnation about setups like this in the FreeS/WAN docs, and in their mailing list archives...you basically need to setup a tunnel with the far end being 0/0 (the whole internet), and the near end being your existing network. NOTE: There's another feature that you may find handy...look through the FreeS/WAN documentation for "extruded subnet" configurations. This allows your remote systems to behave as if they were on a subnet located at the far end of your VPN. Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
RE: [leaf-user] How to set up bridging with Bering?
Hi folks, Charles, please help me clarify this in my mind if you would please...if I want my Private Student LAN to have the internet public addresses, isn't this really a bridge? Here's what I mean- Internet-Bering Box 1(School LAN)-Bering Box 2-Private Student LAN I want the private student LAN to have the public, internet addresses from Bering Box 1. And because I have to go through the existing, school LAN I want the traffic encrypted. But, in my mind, because I want the Private Student LAN to have those public addresses...this is a bridge isn't it? Thank you for your help! Craig -Original Message- From: Charles Steinkuehler [mailto:charles@;steinkuehler.net] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 2:18 PM To: Craig; LEAF Subject: Re: [leaf-user] How to set up bridging with Bering? > Hi folks (and Troy, too), > I'm actually trying to connect a VPN tunnel through an existing network, > but because I want ALL traffic to flow from one subnet...through the > existing network...and on to the other subnet, I'm not sure if this is a > bridge question/problem for the group or just a regular VPN > question/problem. I tend to think that the result I'm looking for > *seems* like a bridging scenario, but because I also want the traffic to > be encrypted, I'm not sure where to start. Anyway, that's what I'm > trying to achieve. For reference, check out my previous posting entitled > "Bering VPN questions-School project". Thank you. This is a VPN problem, not a bridging problem. What you basically need to do is replace the default route on your system with a route through your VPN tunnel. There are a couple of practical problems you can run into when doing this, but it is quite possible. There's a fair amount of documetnation about setups like this in the FreeS/WAN docs, and in their mailing list archives...you basically need to setup a tunnel with the far end being 0/0 (the whole internet), and the near end being your existing network. NOTE: There's another feature that you may find handy...look through the FreeS/WAN documentation for "extruded subnet" configurations. This allows your remote systems to behave as if they were on a subnet located at the far end of your VPN. Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] How to set up bridging with Bering?
> Charles, please help me clarify this in my mind if you would please...if > I want my Private Student LAN to have the internet public addresses, > isn't this really a bridge? Here's what I mean- > > Internet-Bering Box 1(School LAN)-Bering Box 2-Private > Student LAN > > I want the private student LAN to have the public, internet addresses > from Bering Box 1. And because I have to go through the existing, school > LAN I want the traffic encrypted. But, in my mind, because I want the > Private Student LAN to have those public addresses...this is a bridge > isn't it? Thank you for your help! Well, maybe the way you think about it, it's a bridge, but in linux networking parlance, a bridge, or bridging, relates to linking two physical network segments together, essentially doing the job of an ethernet "hub" or "switch". What you're describing is more typically a job handled by simple routing. Since you want the data going over the school LAN encrypted, you will be building a VPN "tunnel" between your two Bering boxes, and routing all Private Student LAN traffic through the tunnel. The two Bering boxes will need to know about the tunnel and routing rules, but all the machines on the Private Student LAN need to know is to use Bering Box 2 as their default gateway. Confused yet? :-) Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
RE: [leaf-user] How to set up bridging with Bering?
At 02:40 PM 10/28/02 -0800, Craig wrote: Hi folks, Charles, please help me clarify this in my mind if you would please...if I want my Private Student LAN to have the internet public addresses, isn't this really a bridge? Here's what I mean- Internet-Bering Box 1(School LAN)-Bering Box 2-Private Student LAN I want the private student LAN to have the public, internet addresses from Bering Box 1. And because I have to go through the existing, school LAN I want the traffic encrypted. But, in my mind, because I want the Private Student LAN to have those public addresses...this is a bridge isn't it? Thank you for your help! Who knows? Whether it is a bridge or not depends on how you implement it (though I don't actually know of a way to bridge AND to encrypt the link). Terminology: when two networks are connected at the Data Link Layer (in practice, usually Ethernet, transporting Ethernet frames), the device that connects them is called a bridge. When two networks are connected at the Network Layer (in practice, IP addresses, transporting ip datagrams), the device that connects them is called a router. LEAF devices (Linux devices generally) can operate as either bridges or routers. You are not exactly clear here on what "the public, internet addresses from Bering Box" means, but from what I recall of your earlier e-mail, I think you want to have the Bering 1 router accept traffic to some set of public IP addresses, which I will call here network a.b.c.d/netmask, and forward it on to the Private Student LAN. The LAN machines will use those same addresses as their own IP addresses (that is, you do not want to use 1-to-1 NAT, sometimes called static NAT, for these addreses). For this to work, whatever exists to the left (in your diagram) of Bering 1 needs to know that Bering 1 is the route to those addresses. There are only three real ways that this can be accomplished: 1. Everything that is "immediately" to the left of Bering 1 (that is, everything that does not reach it by going through a router) knows that Bering 1's external IP address is its route to network a.b.c.d/netmask. 2. Bering 1 itself is set up so that whenever something immediately to its left attempts to reach any of the addresses in network a.b.c.d/netmask, Bering 1 itself responds to those attempts. In an Ethernet context, this means that Bering 1 does proxy-arp for those addresses. 3. Bering 1 is set up as a bridge, so it passes all Ethernet-level traffic, including the arp requests from hosts to its left for those on network a.b.c.d/netmask . (Fancier bridges "learn" what MAC addresses lay on either side and pass only the needed frames; I don't know how sophisticated Linux's bridging code is in this regard.) At this level of discusion, any of the three solutions will work, with the choice of which is best for a specific application resting on circumstances specific to the particular application. You have the additional requirement that Bering 1 and Bering 2 be connected by a VPN. (In previous discussions, I and I think others have suggested that such a VPN will not accomplish your goal of protecting the School LAN from the Private Student LAN ... keeping Bering 1 and Bering 2 themselves secure and being careful about their routing tables does that ... but we can put that aside for the moment and focus on the technical requirements for using such a VPN.) I don't believe you can run a bridge over a VPN (it is not impossible in principle, but I've never seen it actually done ... since a VPN is a Network-Layer link, you'd have to encapsulate Ethernet frames in IP datagrams ... this isn't quite as weird as it sounds, but it is *almost* as weird as it sounds ... so you are unlikely to find what you need off the shelf). So we scratch approach #3 and stick with routing rahter than bridging. From other things you have said, I infer that you cannot affect the routing tables of devices to the left of Bering 1, so we scratch approach #1. That leaves proxy arp (approach #2). I have not seen that combined with a VPN, but I can't think of any reason why the two would not work together. You establish a VPN between Bering 1 and Bering 2, then tell Bering 1 that that VPN interface is its route to network a.b.c.d/netmask . You also tell it to proxy-arp network a.b.c.d/netmask on its external interface. The docs for Bering probably explain how to do each of these two (quite separate) things. If not, you may want to follow up with specific questions. -- ---"Never tell me the odds!" Ray Olszewski -- Han Solo Palo Alto, California, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf --
Re: [leaf-user] How to set up bridging with Bering?
> I don't believe you can run a bridge over a VPN (it is not impossible in > principle, but I've never seen it actually done ... since a VPN is a > Network-Layer link, you'd have to encapsulate Ethernet frames in IP > datagrams ... this isn't quite as weird as it sounds, but it is *almost* as > weird as it sounds ... so you are unlikely to find what you need off the > shelf). So we scratch approach #3 and stick with routing rahter than bridging. You need to talk to more Microsoft people (motto: Microsoft doesn't understand how tcp/ip works.) The L2TP protocol used by M$ WAN's is a Layer 2 Tunneling Protocol (hence the name), which enables your systems to propogate Layer 2 packets (including broadcasts and arp requests) over a WAN. This is actually billed as a *FEATURE* of their WAN software vs. the competition, which doesn't have such a feature. The fact that no-one should be so insane as to actually *WANT* to pipe broadcast packets across their WAN is apparently lost on the market-droids (and MS networking programmers). > That leaves proxy arp (approach #2). I have not seen that combined with a > VPN, but I can't think of any reason why the two would not work together. > You establish a VPN between Bering 1 and Bering 2, then tell Bering 1 that > that VPN interface is its route to network a.b.c.d/netmask . You also tell > it to proxy-arp network a.b.c.d/netmask on its external interface. I believe this is fundamentally how the "extruded subnet" feature of FreeS/WAN operates, although I have not yet tested a setup like this personally. Charles Steinkuehler http://lrp.steinkuehler.net http://c0wz.steinkuehler.net (lrp.c0wz.com mirror) --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] How to set up bridging with Bering?
At 05:51 PM 10/28/02 -0600, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
[...]
You need to talk to more Microsoft people (motto: Microsoft doesn't
understand how tcp/ip works.) The L2TP protocol used by M$ WAN's is a
Layer 2 Tunneling Protocol (hence the name), which enables your systems
to propogate Layer 2 packets (including broadcasts and arp requests)
over a WAN. This is actually billed as a *FEATURE* of their WAN
software vs. the competition, which doesn't have such a feature. The
fact that no-one should be so insane as to actually *WANT* to pipe
broadcast packets across their WAN is apparently lost on the
market-droids (and MS networking programmers).
Sheesh. Is this part of the plan to convince the market that all routers
need to use P-4 CPUs? Or is it a plan to rescue the telecoms by putting all
that excess bandwidth to use?
Way back in the Dark Ages, I actually ran a WAN setup that used filtering
bridges to connect sites over ISDN. The WAN side was a bit of a black box,
but I think it implemented some sort of ethernet-over-ppp tunneling (no
encryption, but they were point-to-point demand-dial links, not VPNs).
Never worked very well, and eventually some grown-up company bought out the
little startup that made the bridges and put the product line out of its
misery.
So I knew that this sort of tunneling *could* be done. I'm amazed it
actually *is* being done, though ... I'll stand by my original assessment
("this isn't quite as weird as it sounds, but it is *almost* as weird as it
sounds"). Pfui!
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Re: [leaf-user] How to set up bridging with Bering?
Charles Steinkuehler wrote: You need to talk to more Microsoft people (motto: Microsoft doesn't understand how tcp/ip works.) The L2TP protocol used by M$ WAN's is a Layer 2 Tunneling Protocol (hence the name), which enables your systems to propogate Layer 2 packets (including broadcasts and arp requests) over a WAN. This is actually billed as a *FEATURE* of their WAN software vs. the competition, which doesn't have such a feature. The fact that no-one should be so insane as to actually *WANT* to pipe broadcast packets across their WAN is apparently lost on the market-droids (and MS networking programmers). Is there an a linux implementation of this protocol? I have been trying to get something like that going for ages to join two private LANs over the internet. All the VPN stuff i've looked at doesn't seem to be able to forward the broadcast packets even if they are directed broadcast packets, which breaks warcraft 3 LAN game discovery and simple broadcast discovery for smb browse lists --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] How to set up bridging with Bering?
On Tuesday 29 October 2002 12:20 am, dan carter wrote: > Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > >You need to talk to more Microsoft people (motto: Microsoft doesn't > >understand how tcp/ip works.) The L2TP protocol used by M$ WAN's is a > >Layer 2 Tunneling Protocol (hence the name), which enables your systems > >to propogate Layer 2 packets (including broadcasts and arp requests) > >over a WAN. This is actually billed as a *FEATURE* of their WAN > >software vs. the competition, which doesn't have such a feature. The > >fact that no-one should be so insane as to actually *WANT* to pipe > >broadcast packets across their WAN is apparently lost on the > >market-droids (and MS networking programmers). > > Is there an a linux implementation of this protocol? I have been trying > to get something like that going for ages to join two private LANs over > the internet. All the VPN stuff i've looked at doesn't seem to be able > to forward the broadcast packets even if they are directed broadcast > packets, which breaks warcraft 3 LAN game discovery and simple broadcast > discovery for smb browse lists I have not used it, but there is a Linux development effort for L2TP: http://sourceforge.net/projects/l2tp SMB Browse lists are best handled in a WAN setting by use of WINS. --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] How to set up bridging with Bering?
Scott Merrill wrote: On Tuesday 29 October 2002 12:20 am, dan carter wrote: I have not used it, but there is a Linux development effort for L2TP: http://sourceforge.net/projects/l2tp SMB Browse lists are best handled in a WAN setting by use of WINS. I agree on a large centrally controlled WAN, but on a small anarchic WAN, getting everybody to agree on a WINS server to use is unlikely. Thanks for the link --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] How to set up bridging with Bering?
On Monday 28 October 2002 23:20, dan carter wrote: > Is there an a linux implementation of this protocol? I have been > trying to get something like that going for ages to join two private > LANs over the internet. All the VPN stuff i've looked at doesn't > seem to be able to forward the broadcast packets even if they are > directed broadcast packets, which breaks warcraft 3 LAN game > discovery and simple broadcast discovery for smb browse lists Gads I hope not.. :-) You might take a gander at WINS or some other resolution method outside of NetBeui/NetBIOS. You do _not_ want to be spewing broadcast garbage outside of your subnet when better, more controlled methods are available. Setting up a WINS server on each subnet that sync with each other is much more preferrable. -- ~Lynn Avants aka Guitarlynn guitarlynn at users.sourceforge.net http://leaf.sourceforge.net If linux isn't the answer, you've probably got the wrong question! --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] How to set up bridging with Bering?
guitarlynn wrote: On Monday 28 October 2002 23:20, dan carter wrote: Is there an a linux implementation of this protocol? I have been trying to get something like that going for ages to join two private LANs over the internet. All the VPN stuff i've looked at doesn't seem to be able to forward the broadcast packets even if they are directed broadcast packets, which breaks warcraft 3 LAN game discovery and simple broadcast discovery for smb browse lists Gads I hope not.. :-) You might take a gander at WINS or some other resolution method outside of NetBeui/NetBIOS. You do _not_ want to be spewing broadcast garbage outside of your subnet when better, more controlled methods are available. Setting up a WINS server on each subnet that sync with each other is much more preferrable. Getting Warcraft III going was actually the more pressing requirement, broadcast browse lists would just be a nice bonus otherwise you have to keep using \\ip address\sharename strings to find file shares. They are only small networks <5 machines each, so being overwhelmed with broadcast packets is not going to be a problem. For tiny networks i often find it is more work to do things the 'proper' way (eg dhcp server) than the 'hard' way (manual ip settings and a text file of who has what ip) --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] How to set up bridging with Bering?
On Tuesday 29 October 2002 23:22, dan carter wrote: > guitarlynn wrote: > >On Monday 28 October 2002 23:20, dan carter wrote: > >>Is there an a linux implementation of this protocol? I have been > >>trying to get something like that going for ages to join two > >> private LANs over the internet. All the VPN stuff i've looked at > >> doesn't seem to be able to forward the broadcast packets even if > >> they are directed broadcast packets, which breaks warcraft 3 LAN > >> game discovery and simple broadcast discovery for smb browse lists > > > >Gads I hope not.. :-) > >You might take a gander at WINS or some other resolution method > >outside of NetBeui/NetBIOS. You do _not_ want to be spewing > > broadcast garbage outside of your subnet when better, more > > controlled methods are available. Setting up a WINS server on each > > subnet that sync with each other is much more preferrable. > > Getting Warcraft III going was actually the more pressing > requirement, broadcast browse lists would just be a nice bonus > otherwise you have to keep using \\ip address\sharename strings to > find file shares. They are only small networks <5 machines each, so > being overwhelmed with broadcast packets is not going to be a > problem. For tiny networks i often find it is more work to do things > the 'proper' way (eg dhcp server) than the 'hard' way (manual ip > settings and a text file of who has what ip) A M$ WINS server will likely be a pain to get to sync across subnets, however Samba servers do it effortlessly. It might be harder to setup a WINS server, but at last look the line added to smb.conf only required "wins server=yes" to set it up as a wins server. You also need to add a line for sync'ing the remote servers (by ip address). If this is not something your going to want to try, your probably not going to have any success without a lot more work across subnets. My suggestion was from the stand-point that I don't want Win2K/XP to be broadcasting all my LAN information out to the internet. there is enough trash in my logs without adding more to someone else's logs. -- ~Lynn Avants aka Guitarlynn guitarlynn at users.sourceforge.net http://leaf.sourceforge.net If linux isn't the answer, you've probably got the wrong question! --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] How to set up bridging with Bering?
guitarlynn wrote: A M$ WINS server will likely be a pain to get to sync across subnets, however Samba servers do it effortlessly. Must be a new option, last time i looked at it there was no way to sync samba WINS servers, they said they were working on it but it would be a proprietary option and would not work with MSs WINS server syncing. The recommended option was to have one machine be the single WINS server for all subnets. You would then need to configure all the machines in all the remote networks to use that WINS server as they could not discover it with broadcast packets... Sounds quite easy to setup now, but again it isn't going to help Warcraft III clients find each other ... --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
RE: [leaf-user] How to set up bridging with Bering?
There is absolutely no need to filling up someone's logs. Cipe is an encrypted tunnel and the cipe protocol has Bridging support. In other words it is perfectly possible To have two private lan's bridged together across the Internet over a cipe interface. For more info on cipe check freshmeat.net and search for cipe. Kim > > > >Gads I hope not.. :-) > >You might take a gander at WINS or some other resolution method > >outside of NetBeui/NetBIOS. You do _not_ want to be spewing > >broadcast garbage outside of your subnet when better, more > >controlled methods are available. Setting up a WINS server on each > >subnet that sync with each other is much more preferrable. > > Getting Warcraft III going was actually the more pressing requirement, > broadcast browse lists would just be a nice bonus otherwise you have > to keep using \\ip address\sharename strings to find file shares. > They are only small networks <5 machines each, so being overwhelmed > with broadcast packets is not going to be a problem. For tiny > networks i often find it is more work to do things the 'proper' way > (eg dhcp server) than the 'hard' way (manual ip settings and a text > file of who has what ip) A M$ WINS server will likely be a pain to get to sync across subnets, however Samba servers do it effortlessly. It might be harder to setup a WINS server, but at last look the line added to smb.conf only required "wins server=yes" to set it up as a wins server. You also need to add a line for sync'ing the remote servers (by ip address). If this is not something your going to want to try, your probably not going to have any success without a lot more work across subnets. My suggestion was from the stand-point that I don't want Win2K/XP to be broadcasting all my LAN information out to the internet. there is enough trash in my logs without adding more to someone else's logs. -- --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] How to set up bridging with Bering?
On Tuesday 29 October 2002 23:55, dan carter wrote: > guitarlynn wrote: > >A M$ WINS server will likely be a pain to get to sync across > > subnets, however Samba servers do it effortlessly. It might be > > harder to setup a WINS server, but at last look the line added to > > smb.conf only required "wins server=yes" to set it up as a wins > > server. You also need to add a line for sync'ing the remote servers > > (by ip address). If this is not something your going to want to > > try, your probably not going to have any success without a lot more > > work across subnets. > > What's the option to get WINS servers syncing? I can't find any > mention of it in the documentation for smb.conf. Im running 2.2.6 > here which appears to be the latest. >From the online Using Samba Book: [global] remote announce = remote list Default: NULL Allowable values: list of remote addresses Adds workgroups to the list on which the Samba server will announce itself. Specified as IP address/workgroup (for instance, 192.168.220.215/SIMPLE) with multiple groups separated by spaces. Allows directed broadcasts. The server will appear on those workgroup's browse lists. Does not require WINS. [global] remote browse sync = address list Default: NULL Allowable values: IP-address list Enables Samba-only browse list synchronization with other Samba local master browsers. Addresses can be specific addresses or directed broadcasts (i.e., ###.###.###.255). The latter will cause Samba to hunt down the local master. -- ~Lynn Avants aka Guitarlynn guitarlynn at users.sourceforge.net http://leaf.sourceforge.net If linux isn't the answer, you've probably got the wrong question! --- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Influence the future of Java(TM) technology. Join the Java Community Process(SM) (JCP(SM)) program now. http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?sunm0004en leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] How to set up bridging with Bering?
guitarlynn wrote: What's the option to get WINS servers syncing? I can't find any mention of it in the documentation for smb.conf. Im running 2.2.6 here which appears to be the latest. From the online Using Samba Book: [global] remote announce = remote list [global] remote browse sync = address list Oh, i tried those but it didn't appear to work. I think it's because each network had a different workgroup. At one stage i got the remote workgroup to appear in the local browselist, but it wasn't browseable. It think the local master browser would just register that machine X is the master for workgroup B. When you try to browse workgroup B it tries to contact machine X but can't because it can't resolve the name to an address because broadcast packets are not reaching machine X on the remote network. --- This sf.net email is sponsored by: Influence the future of Java(TM) technology. Join the Java Community Process(SM) (JCP(SM)) program now. http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?sunm0004en leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
