Re: [LU] Noel Hunt leaping like a salmon to score

[nat...@sky.com]

Agree mainly re Smith which is why I was critical of him (on the deck) -like 
you say he missed a great chance (Ross could and maybe should have scored 
himself) and was generally poor, but I thought it only fair to say, on seeing 
it again, that his chip onto the bar was skillful and unlucky not to go in. 
He is very inexperienced and it is a question of how much we can improve him, 
in any event he will be a threat in the air given the right service. He did 
somewhat remind me of John Pearson - a real lumbering non goal scoring centre 
forward, but one who had his value to the team, especially when taking the 
strain off Baird.
I doubt he will turn into the new Lee Chapman but again there are some 
similarities.

I think , at this stage that our front two will be Hunt and Ross - and Hunt 
will hopefully be a better Becchio / Keough type, and Smith will be in 
competition with Poleon for plan B.


Dave



 From: Richard walker 
To: Jeremy Adams  
Cc: Leeds List  
Sent: Sunday, 7 July 2013, 21:11
Subject: Re: [LU] Noel Hunt leaping like a salmon to score
 

Yes we were talking about Smith - big , lumbering sack of shit

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On 7 Jul 2013, at 20:56, Jeremy Adams  wrote:

> Wasn't that Smith who missed the sitter after Macca passed to him?
> Jeremy
> 
>> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 20:07:17 +0100
>> From: steve.par...@ccfe.ac.uk
>> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Noel Hunt leaping like a salmon to score
>> 
>> Uh-oh!  I have a bad feeling about this..
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Richard walker
>> Sent: 07 July 2013 20:03
>> To: nat...@sky.com
>> Cc: leeds list
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Noel Hunt leaping like a salmon to score
>> 
>> Dave, I thought he looked like a lumbering cart horse and that chance he 
>> missed when put through my Macca was pure Becchio.
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Re: [LU] Andy Murray

[Damian Walsh]

All the old certainties are dead. Wasn't it The Goodies (or maybe Monty
Python) who postulated that the only way a Scotsman would win Wimbledon was
via a nuclear war that wiped everybody else out!

Damian


On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Dr Michael Benjamin  wrote:

> Great victory
> Thrilling to see
> Michael
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Re: [LU] Andy Murray

[Mick Cooney]

It was a Monty Python sketch where aliens were turning everyone into
Scotsmen so the aliens could win Wimbledon.


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[LU] View of Smith by McDermott from YP

[nat...@sky.com]

 Making his first appearance for Leeds on Saturday, the free transfer from 
Oldham Athletic stole the show with two headed finishes before half-time and a 
deft chip which clattered the crossbar. In the space of 45 minutes he might 
have score four.
“I think he’s worth more than a free transfer off the back of that,” McDermott 
said.
“Look at what God gave him. He’s 6’4”, he can bring people into the game, play 
with his right foot, left foot and score goals.
“I was watching him finish in the warm-up – right foot, left foot, it made no 
difference. He reminds me a lot of Dave Kitson when he came to Reading. I 
didn’t actually know which foot Dave favoured. It’s very similar with Matt 
although I don’t want to make comparisons. Matt Smith is Matt Smith.”
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Re: [LU] Andy Murray

[Guy Thornton]

And, if II remember rightly, wasn't it filmed at Valley Parade?

guy

On 8 Jul 2013 at 11:04, Mick Cooney wrote:

> It was a Monty Python sketch where aliens were turning everyone into
> Scotsmen so the aliens could win Wimbledon.
> -- 
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Re: [LU] Andy Murray

[Nigel Sykes]

> It was a Monty Python sketch where aliens were turning everyone into 
> Scotsmen so the aliens could win Wimbledon.

Available for viewing at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3cKAhL0c-g

Nigel
(the Dublin one)


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Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12

[Alan Edgar]

> Bollocks! He is a miserable uncouth yob who lost to a true sportsman. 
 
What on earth is your rationale for that ? !! 
 
Murray is a charming and witty interviewee, equally gracious in defeat as in 
victory.
 
> The stupendous Djoko- Del potro SF should have been the Final.
 
The final was exactly what the seeding dictated it should have been - 1 v 2 in 
the world.
DP did play great and made it a quality semi.
 
> Must grudgingly admit that The Git did play well today, though.

Big of you.
 
 
> I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would I? but
then again I wouldnt see it as a scottish victory when the english man won
tour de france.
 
If you'd written:
"I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would I? but
then again I wouldnt see it as a british victory when the english man won
tour de france.'
then it would have made sense - even though I would 100% disagree with you.
 
You're not comparing like with like.
 
It's a Brit win when Wiggins wins the Tour, a Brit win when Murray wins 
Wimbledon and a Brit win when they both (while wearing Brit kit) win gold in 
London 2012.

> Let's hope all the Scots see this as a British victory - bet they will not.

Only the bitter ones will not - the others will see it a win for both Scotland 
& Britain.


> Exactly. I think the real miserable bastards are the ones who want him to 
> lose. 

Couldn't agree more.
 
> I couldn't believe it when Sue effing Barker referred to 'henman hill' when 
> she interviewed him after. 
 
Why ? It's been know as that ever sinbce the last century - the name doesn't 
change just cos Murray won the tournament.
 
> Now he WAS a loser.
 
Lost 4 Wimbledon semis - 3 to the world number 1s (Hewitt, Sampras) and one to 
an inspired Goran who was saved by the weather.
2 other Slam semis - ranked 4 in the world.
Gave us a decade of hope and excitement after previously having to pray that 
Bates would maybe get to round 3 one year.
 
Best Brit player for 60+ years - wish I was that sort of loser ...
 
Cheers,
 
Al 
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Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12

[Ian Murray]

Sent from my iPhone

On 08/07/2013, at 21:29, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:

>> Bollocks! He is a miserable uncouth yob who lost to a true sportsman.
>  
> What on earth is your rationale for that ? !! 
>  
> Murray is a charming and witty interviewee, equally gracious in defeat as in 
> victory.
>  
>> The stupendous Djoko- Del potro SF should have been the Final.
>  
> The final was exactly what the seeding dictated it should have been - 1 v 2 
> in the world.
> DP did play great and made it a quality semi.
>  
>> Must grudgingly admit that The Git did play well today, though.
> 
> Big of you.
>  
>  
>> I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would I? but
> then again I wouldnt see it as a scottish victory when the english man won
> tour de france.
>  
> If you'd written:
> "I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would I? but
> then again I wouldnt see it as a british victory when the english man won
> tour de france.'
> then it would have made sense - even though I would 100% disagree with you.
>  
> You're not comparing like with like.
>  
> It's a Brit win when Wiggins wins the Tour, a Brit win when Murray wins 
> Wimbledon and a Brit win when they both (while wearing Brit kit) win gold in 
> London 2012.
> 
>> Let's hope all the Scots see this as a British victory - bet they will not.
> 
> Only the bitter ones will not - the others will see it a win for both 
> Scotland & Britain.
> 
> 
>> Exactly. I think the real miserable bastards are the ones who want him to 
>> lose.
> 
> Couldn't agree more.
>  
>> I couldn't believe it when Sue effing Barker referred to 'henman hill' when 
>> she interviewed him after.
>  
> Why ? It's been know as that ever sinbce the last century - the name doesn't 
> change just cos Murray won the tournament.

Because it was known as Henman Hill when everyone there was there to support 
Henman. He is retired. It is disrespectful to Murray. Murray Mound.
>  
>> Now he WAS a loser.
>  
> Lost 4 Wimbledon semis - 3 to the world number 1s (Hewitt, Sampras) and one 
> to an inspired Goran who was saved by the weather.
> 2 other Slam semis - ranked 4 in the world.
> Gave us a decade of hope and excitement after previously having to pray that 
> Bates would maybe get to round 3 one year.

He never won a slam. Yeah he won some tour titles but he was a loser.
>  
> Best Brit player for 60+ years - wish I was that sort of loser ...
Murray is.

>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Al 
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Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12

[Alan Edgar]

On the contrary - disrespectful to Henman to change it.

If Grayson had won more than Revie would you accept Revie Rd becoming Grayson 
Grove ?

Didn't think so.

Henman was the best since Perry - 60+ years. Murray wasn't around then.

Murray is the best since Perry - 70+ years ... Didn't think the maths would be 
so challenging.

If your definition of a loser is someone who doesn't win a slam then more than 
99% of all pro tennis players are losers.

It's a(nother) ridiculous assertion.

Sent from my iPhone

On 8 Jul 2013, at 14:54, Ian Murray  wrote:

> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 08/07/2013, at 21:29, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
> 
>>> Bollocks! He is a miserable uncouth yob who lost to a true sportsman.
>> 
>> What on earth is your rationale for that ? !! 
>> 
>> Murray is a charming and witty interviewee, equally gracious in defeat as in 
>> victory.
>> 
>>> The stupendous Djoko- Del potro SF should have been the Final.
>> 
>> The final was exactly what the seeding dictated it should have been - 1 v 2 
>> in the world.
>> DP did play great and made it a quality semi.
>> 
>>> Must grudgingly admit that The Git did play well today, though.
>> 
>> Big of you.
>> 
>> 
>>> I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would I? but
>> then again I wouldnt see it as a scottish victory when the english man won
>> tour de france.
>> 
>> If you'd written:
>> "I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would I? but
>> then again I wouldnt see it as a british victory when the english man won
>> tour de france.'
>> then it would have made sense - even though I would 100% disagree with you.
>> 
>> You're not comparing like with like.
>> 
>> It's a Brit win when Wiggins wins the Tour, a Brit win when Murray wins 
>> Wimbledon and a Brit win when they both (while wearing Brit kit) win gold in 
>> London 2012.
>> 
>>> Let's hope all the Scots see this as a British victory - bet they will not.
>> 
>> Only the bitter ones will not - the others will see it a win for both 
>> Scotland & Britain.
>> 
>> 
>>> Exactly. I think the real miserable bastards are the ones who want him to 
>>> lose.
>> 
>> Couldn't agree more.
>> 
>>> I couldn't believe it when Sue effing Barker referred to 'henman hill' when 
>>> she interviewed him after.
>> 
>> Why ? It's been know as that ever sinbce the last century - the name doesn't 
>> change just cos Murray won the tournament.
> 
> Because it was known as Henman Hill when everyone there was there to support 
> Henman. He is retired. It is disrespectful to Murray. Murray Mound.
>> 
>>> Now he WAS a loser.
>> 
>> Lost 4 Wimbledon semis - 3 to the world number 1s (Hewitt, Sampras) and one 
>> to an inspired Goran who was saved by the weather.
>> 2 other Slam semis - ranked 4 in the world.
>> Gave us a decade of hope and excitement after previously having to pray that 
>> Bates would maybe get to round 3 one year.
> 
> He never won a slam. Yeah he won some tour titles but he was a loser.
>> 
>> Best Brit player for 60+ years - wish I was that sort of loser ...
> Murray is.
> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Al 
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Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12

[Ian Murray]

Sent from my iPhone

On 08/07/2013, at 22:42, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:

> On the contrary - disrespectful to Henman to change it.
> 
Nonsense. Was the hill there before Henman and has it been officially called 
'Herman hill'? 
> If Grayson had won more than Revie would you accept Revie Rd becoming Grayson 
> Grove ?

Not if it had been officially called that - but that's completely different to 
a media nickname.
> 
> Didn't think so.
> 
> Henman was the best since Perry - 60+ years. Murray wasn't around then.

He's been playing in wombledon for nearly 10 years hasn't he? I
> 
> Murray is the best since Perry - 70+ years ... Didn't think the maths would 
> be so challenging.
> 
> If your definition of a loser is someone who doesn't win a slam then more 
> than 99% of all pro tennis players are losers.

I'd say someone who was talented enough to win a slam but doesn't is a loser, 
yes. He undoubtedly could have won wombledon but he bottled it every time.
> 
> It's a(nother) ridiculous assertion.

I don't think it is.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 8 Jul 2013, at 14:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 08/07/2013, at 21:29, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
>> 
 Bollocks! He is a miserable uncouth yob who lost to a true sportsman.
>>> 
>>> What on earth is your rationale for that ? !! 
>>> 
>>> Murray is a charming and witty interviewee, equally gracious in defeat as 
>>> in victory.
>>> 
 The stupendous Djoko- Del potro SF should have been the Final.
>>> 
>>> The final was exactly what the seeding dictated it should have been - 1 v 2 
>>> in the world.
>>> DP did play great and made it a quality semi.
>>> 
 Must grudgingly admit that The Git did play well today, though.
>>> 
>>> Big of you.
>>> 
>>> 
 I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would I? but
>>> then again I wouldnt see it as a scottish victory when the english man won
>>> tour de france.
>>> 
>>> If you'd written:
>>> "I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would I? but
>>> then again I wouldnt see it as a british victory when the english man won
>>> tour de france.'
>>> then it would have made sense - even though I would 100% disagree with you.
>>> 
>>> You're not comparing like with like.
>>> 
>>> It's a Brit win when Wiggins wins the Tour, a Brit win when Murray wins 
>>> Wimbledon and a Brit win when they both (while wearing Brit kit) win gold 
>>> in London 2012.
>>> 
 Let's hope all the Scots see this as a British victory - bet they will not.
>>> 
>>> Only the bitter ones will not - the others will see it a win for both 
>>> Scotland & Britain.
>>> 
>>> 
 Exactly. I think the real miserable bastards are the ones who want him to 
 lose.
>>> 
>>> Couldn't agree more.
>>> 
 I couldn't believe it when Sue effing Barker referred to 'henman hill' 
 when she interviewed him after.
>>> 
>>> Why ? It's been know as that ever sinbce the last century - the name 
>>> doesn't change just cos Murray won the tournament.
>> 
>> Because it was known as Henman Hill when everyone there was there to support 
>> Henman. He is retired. It is disrespectful to Murray. Murray Mound.
>>> 
 Now he WAS a loser.
>>> 
>>> Lost 4 Wimbledon semis - 3 to the world number 1s (Hewitt, Sampras) and one 
>>> to an inspired Goran who was saved by the weather.
>>> 2 other Slam semis - ranked 4 in the world.
>>> Gave us a decade of hope and excitement after previously having to pray 
>>> that Bates would maybe get to round 3 one year.
>> 
>> He never won a slam. Yeah he won some tour titles but he was a loser.
>>> 
>>> Best Brit player for 60+ years - wish I was that sort of loser ...
>> Murray is.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Al 
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Re: [LU] Pre-season friendly v. Stevenage July 23rd. KO 7:45

[Michael ALCOCK]

Got my tickets today. (There are a couple of hundred on general sale).
Plan to leave work early and get to Our Mutual Friend for
5.30-6.00ish.

Be good to see some Listers.

Mike A

>> Nearest pub is "Our Mutual Friend", Broadwater Crescent.  Usually has 6
>> real ales on and regular finalist for CAMRA North Herts pub of the year.
>> One of the few places dahn sarf where you get lined pint pots.  Only
>> drawback is local plod force them to use plastic glasses on match days.
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Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12

[Alan Edgar]

Henman was the first player people gathered there to see - just because he was 
a lesser player than Murray doesn't mean the name changes.

If Laura robson wins more titles than Murray is it suddenly robson ridge ?

Henman didn't bottle it - he played according to his level, maximising his 
talent. It wasn't quite enough, doesn't make him a loser.

Any pro sportsman who gets to be top 5 has bags more bottle than you, me or 
anyone else on this list - they couldn't get there without it.

Both Henman & Murray have managed a decade or so each of totally unreasonable 
pressure re Wimbledon magnificently.
Without them you'd have had 20 more years of media weeping and wailing about GB 
tennis for a fortnight before reverting to total indifference for the other 50 
weeks of the year.

Sent from my iPhone

On 8 Jul 2013, at 15:54, Ian Murray  wrote:

> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 08/07/2013, at 22:42, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
> 
>> On the contrary - disrespectful to Henman to change it.
> Nonsense. Was the hill there before Henman and has it been officially called 
> 'Herman hill'? 
>> If Grayson had won more than Revie would you accept Revie Rd becoming 
>> Grayson Grove ?
> 
> Not if it had been officially called that - but that's completely different 
> to a media nickname.
>> 
>> Didn't think so.
>> 
>> Henman was the best since Perry - 60+ years. Murray wasn't around then.
> 
> He's been playing in wombledon for nearly 10 years hasn't he? I
>> 
>> Murray is the best since Perry - 70+ years ... Didn't think the maths would 
>> be so challenging.
>> 
>> If your definition of a loser is someone who doesn't win a slam then more 
>> than 99% of all pro tennis players are losers.
> 
> I'd say someone who was talented enough to win a slam but doesn't is a loser, 
> yes. He undoubtedly could have won wombledon but he bottled it every time.
>> 
>> It's a(nother) ridiculous assertion.
> 
> I don't think it is.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 14:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 08/07/2013, at 21:29, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
>>> 
> Bollocks! He is a miserable uncouth yob who lost to a true sportsman.
 
 What on earth is your rationale for that ? !! 
 
 Murray is a charming and witty interviewee, equally gracious in defeat as 
 in victory.
 
> The stupendous Djoko- Del potro SF should have been the Final.
 
 The final was exactly what the seeding dictated it should have been - 1 v 
 2 in the world.
 DP did play great and made it a quality semi.
 
> Must grudgingly admit that The Git did play well today, though.
 
 Big of you.
 
 
> I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would I? 
> but
 then again I wouldnt see it as a scottish victory when the english man won
 tour de france.
 
 If you'd written:
 "I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would I? 
 but
 then again I wouldnt see it as a british victory when the english man won
 tour de france.'
 then it would have made sense - even though I would 100% disagree with you.
 
 You're not comparing like with like.
 
 It's a Brit win when Wiggins wins the Tour, a Brit win when Murray wins 
 Wimbledon and a Brit win when they both (while wearing Brit kit) win gold 
 in London 2012.
 
> Let's hope all the Scots see this as a British victory - bet they will 
> not.
 
 Only the bitter ones will not - the others will see it a win for both 
 Scotland & Britain.
 
 
> Exactly. I think the real miserable bastards are the ones who want him to 
> lose.
 
 Couldn't agree more.
 
> I couldn't believe it when Sue effing Barker referred to 'henman hill' 
> when she interviewed him after.
 
 Why ? It's been know as that ever sinbce the last century - the name 
 doesn't change just cos Murray won the tournament.
>>> 
>>> Because it was known as Henman Hill when everyone there was there to 
>>> support Henman. He is retired. It is disrespectful to Murray. Murray Mound.
 
> Now he WAS a loser.
 
 Lost 4 Wimbledon semis - 3 to the world number 1s (Hewitt, Sampras) and 
 one to an inspired Goran who was saved by the weather.
 2 other Slam semis - ranked 4 in the world.
 Gave us a decade of hope and excitement after previously having to pray 
 that Bates would maybe get to round 3 one year.
>>> 
>>> He never won a slam. Yeah he won some tour titles but he was a loser.
 
 Best Brit player for 60+ years - wish I was that sort of loser ...
>>> Murray is.
>>> 
 
 Cheers,
 
 Al 
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Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12

[Ian Murray]

Yeah they gathered to watch Henman, so fair enough 'Herman Hill'. But they 
gathered to watch Murray all fortnight, so Murray mound. Yeah - if they are 
there to watch Robson it's Robson ridge. It's a nickname. You make some good 
points but this is total bobbins.

He did bottle it. The year ivanesivic won he should have - but he bottled it. 
He could win tour titles but he never had the mental strength to win a slam - 
he was a choker and a bottler and that's just a plain fact mate.

Sent from my iPhone

On 08/07/2013, at 23:17, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:

> Henman was the first player people gathered there to see - just because he 
> was a lesser player than Murray doesn't mean the name changes.
> 
> If Laura robson wins more titles than Murray is it suddenly robson ridge ?
> 
> Henman didn't bottle it - he played according to his level, maximising his 
> talent. It wasn't quite enough, doesn't make him a loser.
> 
> Any pro sportsman who gets to be top 5 has bags more bottle than you, me or 
> anyone else on this list - they couldn't get there without it.
> 
> Both Henman & Murray have managed a decade or so each of totally unreasonable 
> pressure re Wimbledon magnificently.
> Without them you'd have had 20 more years of media weeping and wailing about 
> GB tennis for a fortnight before reverting to total indifference for the 
> other 50 weeks of the year.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 8 Jul 2013, at 15:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 08/07/2013, at 22:42, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
>> 
>>> On the contrary - disrespectful to Henman to change it.
>> Nonsense. Was the hill there before Henman and has it been officially called 
>> 'Herman hill'? 
>>> If Grayson had won more than Revie would you accept Revie Rd becoming 
>>> Grayson Grove ?
>> 
>> Not if it had been officially called that - but that's completely different 
>> to a media nickname.
>>> 
>>> Didn't think so.
>>> 
>>> Henman was the best since Perry - 60+ years. Murray wasn't around then.
>> 
>> He's been playing in wombledon for nearly 10 years hasn't he? I
>>> 
>>> Murray is the best since Perry - 70+ years ... Didn't think the maths would 
>>> be so challenging.
>>> 
>>> If your definition of a loser is someone who doesn't win a slam then more 
>>> than 99% of all pro tennis players are losers.
>> 
>> I'd say someone who was talented enough to win a slam but doesn't is a 
>> loser, yes. He undoubtedly could have won wombledon but he bottled it every 
>> time.
>>> 
>>> It's a(nother) ridiculous assertion.
>> 
>> I don't think it is.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 14:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
>>> 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 08/07/2013, at 21:29, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
 
>> Bollocks! He is a miserable uncouth yob who lost to a true sportsman.
> 
> What on earth is your rationale for that ? !! 
> 
> Murray is a charming and witty interviewee, equally gracious in defeat as 
> in victory.
> 
>> The stupendous Djoko- Del potro SF should have been the Final.
> 
> The final was exactly what the seeding dictated it should have been - 1 v 
> 2 in the world.
> DP did play great and made it a quality semi.
> 
>> Must grudgingly admit that The Git did play well today, though.
> 
> Big of you.
> 
> 
>> I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would I? 
>> but
> then again I wouldnt see it as a scottish victory when the english man won
> tour de france.
> 
> If you'd written:
> "I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would I? 
> but
> then again I wouldnt see it as a british victory when the english man won
> tour de france.'
> then it would have made sense - even though I would 100% disagree with 
> you.
> 
> You're not comparing like with like.
> 
> It's a Brit win when Wiggins wins the Tour, a Brit win when Murray wins 
> Wimbledon and a Brit win when they both (while wearing Brit kit) win gold 
> in London 2012.
> 
>> Let's hope all the Scots see this as a British victory - bet they will 
>> not.
> 
> Only the bitter ones will not - the others will see it a win for both 
> Scotland & Britain.
> 
> 
>> Exactly. I think the real miserable bastards are the ones who want him 
>> to lose.
> 
> Couldn't agree more.
> 
>> I couldn't believe it when Sue effing Barker referred to 'henman hill' 
>> when she interviewed him after.
> 
> Why ? It's been know as that ever sinbce the last century - the name 
> doesn't change just cos Murray won the tournament.
 
 Because it was known as Henman Hill when everyone there was there to 
 support Henman. He is retired. It is disrespectful to Murray. Murray Mound.
> 
>> Now he WAS a loser.
> 
> Lost 4 Wimbledon semis - 3 to the world number 1s (Hewitt, Sampras) and 

Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12

[Leeds List]

First off Murray is anything but a miserable yob as anyone who watched the 
knockabout charity game he played  v Henman after the Queens club final could 
see.
Secondly Henman Hill, Murray Mound or whatever - I don't get the idea of paying 
to sit outside a stadium on a bit of grass/mud to watch a tv. 
If Leeds reach the playoffs this season are people going to travel down to 
Wembley and pay to stand outside the ground so they can watch it on a big 
screen.

Sent from my iPhone

On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:16, Alan Edgar  wrote:

> Henman was the first player people gathered there to see - just because he 
> was a lesser player than Murray doesn't mean the name changes.
> 
> If Laura robson wins more titles than Murray is it suddenly robson ridge ?
> 
> Henman didn't bottle it - he played according to his level, maximising his 
> talent. It wasn't quite enough, doesn't make him a loser.
> 
> Any pro sportsman who gets to be top 5 has bags more bottle than you, me or 
> anyone else on this list - they couldn't get there without it.
> 
> Both Henman & Murray have managed a decade or so each of totally unreasonable 
> pressure re Wimbledon magnificently.
> Without them you'd have had 20 more years of media weeping and wailing about 
> GB tennis for a fortnight before reverting to total indifference for the 
> other 50 weeks of the year.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 8 Jul 2013, at 15:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 08/07/2013, at 22:42, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
>> 
>>> On the contrary - disrespectful to Henman to change it.
>> Nonsense. Was the hill there before Henman and has it been officially called 
>> 'Herman hill'? 
>>> If Grayson had won more than Revie would you accept Revie Rd becoming 
>>> Grayson Grove ?
>> 
>> Not if it had been officially called that - but that's completely different 
>> to a media nickname.
>>> 
>>> Didn't think so.
>>> 
>>> Henman was the best since Perry - 60+ years. Murray wasn't around then.
>> 
>> He's been playing in wombledon for nearly 10 years hasn't he? I
>>> 
>>> Murray is the best since Perry - 70+ years ... Didn't think the maths would 
>>> be so challenging.
>>> 
>>> If your definition of a loser is someone who doesn't win a slam then more 
>>> than 99% of all pro tennis players are losers.
>> 
>> I'd say someone who was talented enough to win a slam but doesn't is a 
>> loser, yes. He undoubtedly could have won wombledon but he bottled it every 
>> time.
>>> 
>>> It's a(nother) ridiculous assertion.
>> 
>> I don't think it is.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 14:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
>>> 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 08/07/2013, at 21:29, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
 
>> Bollocks! He is a miserable uncouth yob who lost to a true sportsman.
> 
> What on earth is your rationale for that ? !! 
> 
> Murray is a charming and witty interviewee, equally gracious in defeat as 
> in victory.
> 
>> The stupendous Djoko- Del potro SF should have been the Final.
> 
> The final was exactly what the seeding dictated it should have been - 1 v 
> 2 in the world.
> DP did play great and made it a quality semi.
> 
>> Must grudgingly admit that The Git did play well today, though.
> 
> Big of you.
> 
> 
>> I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would I? 
>> but
> then again I wouldnt see it as a scottish victory when the english man won
> tour de france.
> 
> If you'd written:
> "I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would I? 
> but
> then again I wouldnt see it as a british victory when the english man won
> tour de france.'
> then it would have made sense - even though I would 100% disagree with 
> you.
> 
> You're not comparing like with like.
> 
> It's a Brit win when Wiggins wins the Tour, a Brit win when Murray wins 
> Wimbledon and a Brit win when they both (while wearing Brit kit) win gold 
> in London 2012.
> 
>> Let's hope all the Scots see this as a British victory - bet they will 
>> not.
> 
> Only the bitter ones will not - the others will see it a win for both 
> Scotland & Britain.
> 
> 
>> Exactly. I think the real miserable bastards are the ones who want him 
>> to lose.
> 
> Couldn't agree more.
> 
>> I couldn't believe it when Sue effing Barker referred to 'henman hill' 
>> when she interviewed him after.
> 
> Why ? It's been know as that ever sinbce the last century - the name 
> doesn't change just cos Murray won the tournament.
 
 Because it was known as Henman Hill when everyone there was there to 
 support Henman. He is retired. It is disrespectful to Murray. Murray Mound.
> 
>> Now he WAS a loser.
> 
> Lost 4 Wimbledon semis - 3 to the world number 1s (Hewitt, Sampras) and 
> one to an inspired Go

Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12

[Alan Edgar]

Goran was a better grass court player than Henman - by beating him he reached 
his 3rd final.

Just as the roof closing changed the final last year, the weather in 2001 saved 
Goran - half an hour more and Henman would have won. Coming back the following 
day was a whole new ball game.

On a similar tack - Monty never won a golf major ... Is he a bottler ?

Sent from my iPhone

On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:29, Ian Murray  wrote:

> Yeah they gathered to watch Henman, so fair enough 'Herman Hill'. But they 
> gathered to watch Murray all fortnight, so Murray mound. Yeah - if they are 
> there to watch Robson it's Robson ridge. It's a nickname. You make some good 
> points but this is total bobbins.
> 
> He did bottle it. The year ivanesivic won he should have - but he bottled it. 
> He could win tour titles but he never had the mental strength to win a slam - 
> he was a choker and a bottler and that's just a plain fact mate.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 08/07/2013, at 23:17, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
> 
>> Henman was the first player people gathered there to see - just because he 
>> was a lesser player than Murray doesn't mean the name changes.
>> 
>> If Laura robson wins more titles than Murray is it suddenly robson ridge ?
>> 
>> Henman didn't bottle it - he played according to his level, maximising his 
>> talent. It wasn't quite enough, doesn't make him a loser.
>> 
>> Any pro sportsman who gets to be top 5 has bags more bottle than you, me or 
>> anyone else on this list - they couldn't get there without it.
>> 
>> Both Henman & Murray have managed a decade or so each of totally 
>> unreasonable pressure re Wimbledon magnificently.
>> Without them you'd have had 20 more years of media weeping and wailing about 
>> GB tennis for a fortnight before reverting to total indifference for the 
>> other 50 weeks of the year.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 15:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 08/07/2013, at 22:42, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
>>> 
 On the contrary - disrespectful to Henman to change it.
>>> Nonsense. Was the hill there before Henman and has it been officially 
>>> called 'Herman hill'? 
 If Grayson had won more than Revie would you accept Revie Rd becoming 
 Grayson Grove ?
>>> 
>>> Not if it had been officially called that - but that's completely different 
>>> to a media nickname.
 
 Didn't think so.
 
 Henman was the best since Perry - 60+ years. Murray wasn't around then.
>>> 
>>> He's been playing in wombledon for nearly 10 years hasn't he? I
 
 Murray is the best since Perry - 70+ years ... Didn't think the maths 
 would be so challenging.
 
 If your definition of a loser is someone who doesn't win a slam then more 
 than 99% of all pro tennis players are losers.
>>> 
>>> I'd say someone who was talented enough to win a slam but doesn't is a 
>>> loser, yes. He undoubtedly could have won wombledon but he bottled it every 
>>> time.
 
 It's a(nother) ridiculous assertion.
>>> 
>>> I don't think it is.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 8 Jul 2013, at 14:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 08/07/2013, at 21:29, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
> 
>>> Bollocks! He is a miserable uncouth yob who lost to a true sportsman.
>> 
>> What on earth is your rationale for that ? !! 
>> 
>> Murray is a charming and witty interviewee, equally gracious in defeat 
>> as in victory.
>> 
>>> The stupendous Djoko- Del potro SF should have been the Final.
>> 
>> The final was exactly what the seeding dictated it should have been - 1 
>> v 2 in the world.
>> DP did play great and made it a quality semi.
>> 
>>> Must grudgingly admit that The Git did play well today, though.
>> 
>> Big of you.
>> 
>> 
>>> I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would I? 
>>> but
>> then again I wouldnt see it as a scottish victory when the english man 
>> won
>> tour de france.
>> 
>> If you'd written:
>> "I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would I? 
>> but
>> then again I wouldnt see it as a british victory when the english man won
>> tour de france.'
>> then it would have made sense - even though I would 100% disagree with 
>> you.
>> 
>> You're not comparing like with like.
>> 
>> It's a Brit win when Wiggins wins the Tour, a Brit win when Murray wins 
>> Wimbledon and a Brit win when they both (while wearing Brit kit) win 
>> gold in London 2012.
>> 
>>> Let's hope all the Scots see this as a British victory - bet they will 
>>> not.
>> 
>> Only the bitter ones will not - the others will see it a win for both 
>> Scotland & Britain.
>> 
>> 
>>> Exactly. I think the real miserable bastards are the ones who want him 
>>> to lose.
>> 

Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12

[Jim Moran]

More importantly, why the giddy f*ck would anyone pay money to go to
Wimbledon and sit on a hill watching it on a telly when there's games going
on the non-show courts.

Idiots.


On 8 July 2013 16:29, Ian Murray  wrote:

> Yeah they gathered to watch Henman, so fair enough 'Herman Hill'. But they
> gathered to watch Murray all fortnight, so Murray mound. Yeah - if they are
> there to watch Robson it's Robson ridge. It's a nickname. You make some
> good points but this is total bobbins.
>
> He did bottle it. The year ivanesivic won he should have - but he bottled
> it. He could win tour titles but he never had the mental strength to win a
> slam - he was a choker and a bottler and that's just a plain fact mate.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 08/07/2013, at 23:17, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
>
> > Henman was the first player people gathered there to see - just because
> he was a lesser player than Murray doesn't mean the name changes.
> >
> > If Laura robson wins more titles than Murray is it suddenly robson ridge
> ?
> >
> > Henman didn't bottle it - he played according to his level, maximising
> his talent. It wasn't quite enough, doesn't make him a loser.
> >
> > Any pro sportsman who gets to be top 5 has bags more bottle than you, me
> or anyone else on this list - they couldn't get there without it.
> >
> > Both Henman & Murray have managed a decade or so each of totally
> unreasonable pressure re Wimbledon magnificently.
> > Without them you'd have had 20 more years of media weeping and wailing
> about GB tennis for a fortnight before reverting to total indifference for
> the other 50 weeks of the year.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 8 Jul 2013, at 15:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On 08/07/2013, at 22:42, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
> >>
> >>> On the contrary - disrespectful to Henman to change it.
> >> Nonsense. Was the hill there before Henman and has it been officially
> called 'Herman hill'?
> >>> If Grayson had won more than Revie would you accept Revie Rd becoming
> Grayson Grove ?
> >>
> >> Not if it had been officially called that - but that's completely
> different to a media nickname.
> >>>
> >>> Didn't think so.
> >>>
> >>> Henman was the best since Perry - 60+ years. Murray wasn't around then.
> >>
> >> He's been playing in wombledon for nearly 10 years hasn't he? I
> >>>
> >>> Murray is the best since Perry - 70+ years ... Didn't think the maths
> would be so challenging.
> >>>
> >>> If your definition of a loser is someone who doesn't win a slam then
> more than 99% of all pro tennis players are losers.
> >>
> >> I'd say someone who was talented enough to win a slam but doesn't is a
> loser, yes. He undoubtedly could have won wombledon but he bottled it every
> time.
> >>>
> >>> It's a(nother) ridiculous assertion.
> >>
> >> I don't think it is.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 14:54, Ian Murray 
> wrote:
> >>>
> 
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
>  On 08/07/2013, at 21:29, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
> 
> >> Bollocks! He is a miserable uncouth yob who lost to a true
> sportsman.
> >
> > What on earth is your rationale for that ? !!
> >
> > Murray is a charming and witty interviewee, equally gracious in
> defeat as in victory.
> >
> >> The stupendous Djoko- Del potro SF should have been the Final.
> >
> > The final was exactly what the seeding dictated it should have been
> - 1 v 2 in the world.
> > DP did play great and made it a quality semi.
> >
> >> Must grudgingly admit that The Git did play well today, though.
> >
> > Big of you.
> >
> >
> >> I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why
> would I? but
> > then again I wouldnt see it as a scottish victory when the english
> man won
> > tour de france.
> >
> > If you'd written:
> > "I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why
> would I? but
> > then again I wouldnt see it as a british victory when the english
> man won
> > tour de france.'
> > then it would have made sense - even though I would 100% disagree
> with you.
> >
> > You're not comparing like with like.
> >
> > It's a Brit win when Wiggins wins the Tour, a Brit win when Murray
> wins Wimbledon and a Brit win when they both (while wearing Brit kit) win
> gold in London 2012.
> >
> >> Let's hope all the Scots see this as a British victory - bet they
> will not.
> >
> > Only the bitter ones will not - the others will see it a win for
> both Scotland & Britain.
> >
> >
> >> Exactly. I think the real miserable bastards are the ones who want
> him to lose.
> >
> > Couldn't agree more.
> >
> >> I couldn't believe it when Sue effing Barker referred to 'henman
> hill' when she interviewed him after.
> >
> > Why ? It's been know as that ever sinbce the last century - the name
> doesn't change just cos Mur

Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12

[Ian Murray]

Sent from my iPhone

On 08/07/2013, at 23:52, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:

> Goran was a better grass court player than Henman - by beating him he reached 
> his 3rd final.
> 
> Just as the roof closing changed the final last year, the weather in 2001 
> saved Goran - half an hour more and Henman would have won. Coming back the 
> following day was a whole new ball game.
> 
> On a similar tack - Monty never won a golf major ... Is he a bottler ?
> 
In a word: yes
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:29, Ian Murray  wrote:
> 
>> Yeah they gathered to watch Henman, so fair enough 'Herman Hill'. But they 
>> gathered to watch Murray all fortnight, so Murray mound. Yeah - if they are 
>> there to watch Robson it's Robson ridge. It's a nickname. You make some good 
>> points but this is total bobbins.
>> 
>> He did bottle it. The year ivanesivic won he should have - but he bottled 
>> it. He could win tour titles but he never had the mental strength to win a 
>> slam - he was a choker and a bottler and that's just a plain fact mate.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 08/07/2013, at 23:17, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Henman was the first player people gathered there to see - just because he 
>>> was a lesser player than Murray doesn't mean the name changes.
>>> 
>>> If Laura robson wins more titles than Murray is it suddenly robson ridge ?
>>> 
>>> Henman didn't bottle it - he played according to his level, maximising his 
>>> talent. It wasn't quite enough, doesn't make him a loser.
>>> 
>>> Any pro sportsman who gets to be top 5 has bags more bottle than you, me or 
>>> anyone else on this list - they couldn't get there without it.
>>> 
>>> Both Henman & Murray have managed a decade or so each of totally 
>>> unreasonable pressure re Wimbledon magnificently.
>>> Without them you'd have had 20 more years of media weeping and wailing 
>>> about GB tennis for a fortnight before reverting to total indifference for 
>>> the other 50 weeks of the year.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 15:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
>>> 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 08/07/2013, at 22:42, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
 
> On the contrary - disrespectful to Henman to change it.
 Nonsense. Was the hill there before Henman and has it been officially 
 called 'Herman hill'? 
> If Grayson had won more than Revie would you accept Revie Rd becoming 
> Grayson Grove ?
 
 Not if it had been officially called that - but that's completely 
 different to a media nickname.
> 
> Didn't think so.
> 
> Henman was the best since Perry - 60+ years. Murray wasn't around then.
 
 He's been playing in wombledon for nearly 10 years hasn't he? I
> 
> Murray is the best since Perry - 70+ years ... Didn't think the maths 
> would be so challenging.
> 
> If your definition of a loser is someone who doesn't win a slam then more 
> than 99% of all pro tennis players are losers.
 
 I'd say someone who was talented enough to win a slam but doesn't is a 
 loser, yes. He undoubtedly could have won wombledon but he bottled it 
 every time.
> 
> It's a(nother) ridiculous assertion.
 
 I don't think it is.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 8 Jul 2013, at 14:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 08/07/2013, at 21:29, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
>> 
 Bollocks! He is a miserable uncouth yob who lost to a true sportsman.
>>> 
>>> What on earth is your rationale for that ? !! 
>>> 
>>> Murray is a charming and witty interviewee, equally gracious in defeat 
>>> as in victory.
>>> 
 The stupendous Djoko- Del potro SF should have been the Final.
>>> 
>>> The final was exactly what the seeding dictated it should have been - 1 
>>> v 2 in the world.
>>> DP did play great and made it a quality semi.
>>> 
 Must grudgingly admit that The Git did play well today, though.
>>> 
>>> Big of you.
>>> 
>>> 
 I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would 
 I? but
>>> then again I wouldnt see it as a scottish victory when the english man 
>>> won
>>> tour de france.
>>> 
>>> If you'd written:
>>> "I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would 
>>> I? but
>>> then again I wouldnt see it as a british victory when the english man 
>>> won
>>> tour de france.'
>>> then it would have made sense - even though I would 100% disagree with 
>>> you.
>>> 
>>> You're not comparing like with like.
>>> 
>>> It's a Brit win when Wiggins wins the Tour, a Brit win when Murray wins 
>>> Wimbledon and a Brit win when they both (while wearing Brit kit) win 
>>> gold in London 2012.
>>> 
 Let's hope all the Scots see this as a British victory - bet they will 
 

Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12

[Mark Tuffey]

Has any other team ever been a bridesmaid as many times as Revie's Leeds?
Does that make them bottlers?
Cheers
Mark 
El Presidente Wisconsin Whites 
Leeds United 
Chicago Fire

  
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Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12

[Ian Murray]

They weren't bottlers - they won it all mate. Yeah they lost out a few times 
but they weren't bottlers x

Sent from my iPhone

On 08/07/2013, at 23:57, "Mark Tuffey"  wrote:

> Has any other team ever been a bridesmaid as many times as Revie's Leeds?
> Does that make them bottlers?
> Cheers
> Mark 
> El Presidente Wisconsin Whites 
> Leeds United 
> Chicago Fire
> 
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Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12

[Andy Clayton]

Your logic is impeccable.

Or do I mean impeccable? 

No, I think I mean you're a dickhead

Are you really, really, really a lawyer?

Sent from my iPad

On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:59, Ian Murray  wrote:

> They weren't bottlers - they won it all mate. Yeah they lost out a few times 
> but they weren't bottlers x
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 08/07/2013, at 23:57, "Mark Tuffey"  wrote:
> 
>> Has any other team ever been a bridesmaid as many times as Revie's Leeds?
>> Does that make them bottlers?
>> Cheers
>> Mark 
>> El Presidente Wisconsin Whites 
>> Leeds United 
>> Chicago Fire
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Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12

[Alan Edgar]

So you're gonna ignore his Ryder cup record ?

Sent from my iPhone

On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:54, Ian Murray  wrote:

> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 08/07/2013, at 23:52, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
> 
>> Goran was a better grass court player than Henman - by beating him he 
>> reached his 3rd final.
>> 
>> Just as the roof closing changed the final last year, the weather in 2001 
>> saved Goran - half an hour more and Henman would have won. Coming back the 
>> following day was a whole new ball game.
>> 
>> On a similar tack - Monty never won a golf major ... Is he a bottler ?
> In a word: yes
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:29, Ian Murray  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah they gathered to watch Henman, so fair enough 'Herman Hill'. But they 
>>> gathered to watch Murray all fortnight, so Murray mound. Yeah - if they are 
>>> there to watch Robson it's Robson ridge. It's a nickname. You make some 
>>> good points but this is total bobbins.
>>> 
>>> He did bottle it. The year ivanesivic won he should have - but he bottled 
>>> it. He could win tour titles but he never had the mental strength to win a 
>>> slam - he was a choker and a bottler and that's just a plain fact mate.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 08/07/2013, at 23:17, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
>>> 
 Henman was the first player people gathered there to see - just because he 
 was a lesser player than Murray doesn't mean the name changes.
 
 If Laura robson wins more titles than Murray is it suddenly robson ridge ?
 
 Henman didn't bottle it - he played according to his level, maximising his 
 talent. It wasn't quite enough, doesn't make him a loser.
 
 Any pro sportsman who gets to be top 5 has bags more bottle than you, me 
 or anyone else on this list - they couldn't get there without it.
 
 Both Henman & Murray have managed a decade or so each of totally 
 unreasonable pressure re Wimbledon magnificently.
 Without them you'd have had 20 more years of media weeping and wailing 
 about GB tennis for a fortnight before reverting to total indifference for 
 the other 50 weeks of the year.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 8 Jul 2013, at 15:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 08/07/2013, at 22:42, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
> 
>> On the contrary - disrespectful to Henman to change it.
> Nonsense. Was the hill there before Henman and has it been officially 
> called 'Herman hill'? 
>> If Grayson had won more than Revie would you accept Revie Rd becoming 
>> Grayson Grove ?
> 
> Not if it had been officially called that - but that's completely 
> different to a media nickname.
>> 
>> Didn't think so.
>> 
>> Henman was the best since Perry - 60+ years. Murray wasn't around then.
> 
> He's been playing in wombledon for nearly 10 years hasn't he? I
>> 
>> Murray is the best since Perry - 70+ years ... Didn't think the maths 
>> would be so challenging.
>> 
>> If your definition of a loser is someone who doesn't win a slam then 
>> more than 99% of all pro tennis players are losers.
> 
> I'd say someone who was talented enough to win a slam but doesn't is a 
> loser, yes. He undoubtedly could have won wombledon but he bottled it 
> every time.
>> 
>> It's a(nother) ridiculous assertion.
> 
> I don't think it is.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 14:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 08/07/2013, at 21:29, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
>>> 
> Bollocks! He is a miserable uncouth yob who lost to a true sportsman.
 
 What on earth is your rationale for that ? !! 
 
 Murray is a charming and witty interviewee, equally gracious in defeat 
 as in victory.
 
> The stupendous Djoko- Del potro SF should have been the Final.
 
 The final was exactly what the seeding dictated it should have been - 
 1 v 2 in the world.
 DP did play great and made it a quality semi.
 
> Must grudgingly admit that The Git did play well today, though.
 
 Big of you.
 
 
> I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would 
> I? but
 then again I wouldnt see it as a scottish victory when the english man 
 won
 tour de france.
 
 If you'd written:
 "I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would 
 I? but
 then again I wouldnt see it as a british victory when the english man 
 won
 tour de france.'
 then it would have made sense - even though I would 100% disagree with 
 you.
 
 You're not comparing like with like.
 
 It's a Brit win when Wiggins

[LU] Ffs

[Matt Anderson]

5-0 pre season win, McCormack says he isn't leaving, Byram hasn't been sold 
yet, its lovely weather and you are all having petty squabbles about tennis.

Murray has won 2 grand slams, best British tennis player ever, henman was top 
10 in the world and did well for many years, 2nd best tennis british player 
ever. I'd love to be that sort of loser.

Oh and the lions tour was brilliant. Lets hope for a win in the ashes and froom 
to win the tour de france. Lets hope for no cynical moaning and bitching on 
here belittling achievements that have taken time and dedication.

Anyone gone to Slovenia??

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Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12

[Matt Anderson]

FFS, he was number one in the world for years. I'd love to be that weak minded

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On 8 Jul 2013, at 17:14, Ian Murray  wrote:

> No but he bottled the majors. No other reason he didn't win one. He had the 
> talent but nerves meant that he couldn't convert. Isn't that the very 
> definition of bottler?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 09/07/2013, at 0:11, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
> 
>> So you're gonna ignore his Ryder cup record ?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 08/07/2013, at 23:52, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
>>> 
 Goran was a better grass court player than Henman - by beating him he 
 reached his 3rd final.
 
 Just as the roof closing changed the final last year, the weather in 2001 
 saved Goran - half an hour more and Henman would have won. Coming back the 
 following day was a whole new ball game.
 
 On a similar tack - Monty never won a golf major ... Is he a bottler ?
>>> In a word: yes
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:29, Ian Murray  wrote:
 
> Yeah they gathered to watch Henman, so fair enough 'Herman Hill'. But 
> they gathered to watch Murray all fortnight, so Murray mound. Yeah - if 
> they are there to watch Robson it's Robson ridge. It's a nickname. You 
> make some good points but this is total bobbins.
> 
> He did bottle it. The year ivanesivic won he should have - but he bottled 
> it. He could win tour titles but he never had the mental strength to win 
> a slam - he was a choker and a bottler and that's just a plain fact mate.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 08/07/2013, at 23:17, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
> 
>> Henman was the first player people gathered there to see - just because 
>> he was a lesser player than Murray doesn't mean the name changes.
>> 
>> If Laura robson wins more titles than Murray is it suddenly robson ridge 
>> ?
>> 
>> Henman didn't bottle it - he played according to his level, maximising 
>> his talent. It wasn't quite enough, doesn't make him a loser.
>> 
>> Any pro sportsman who gets to be top 5 has bags more bottle than you, me 
>> or anyone else on this list - they couldn't get there without it.
>> 
>> Both Henman & Murray have managed a decade or so each of totally 
>> unreasonable pressure re Wimbledon magnificently.
>> Without them you'd have had 20 more years of media weeping and wailing 
>> about GB tennis for a fortnight before reverting to total indifference 
>> for the other 50 weeks of the year.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 15:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 08/07/2013, at 22:42, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
>>> 
 On the contrary - disrespectful to Henman to change it.
>>> Nonsense. Was the hill there before Henman and has it been officially 
>>> called 'Herman hill'? 
 If Grayson had won more than Revie would you accept Revie Rd becoming 
 Grayson Grove ?
>>> 
>>> Not if it had been officially called that - but that's completely 
>>> different to a media nickname.
 
 Didn't think so.
 
 Henman was the best since Perry - 60+ years. Murray wasn't around then.
>>> 
>>> He's been playing in wombledon for nearly 10 years hasn't he? I
 
 Murray is the best since Perry - 70+ years ... Didn't think the maths 
 would be so challenging.
 
 If your definition of a loser is someone who doesn't win a slam then 
 more than 99% of all pro tennis players are losers.
>>> 
>>> I'd say someone who was talented enough to win a slam but doesn't is a 
>>> loser, yes. He undoubtedly could have won wombledon but he bottled it 
>>> every time.
 
 It's a(nother) ridiculous assertion.
>>> 
>>> I don't think it is.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 8 Jul 2013, at 14:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 08/07/2013, at 21:29, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
> 
>>> Bollocks! He is a miserable uncouth yob who lost to a true 
>>> sportsman.
>> 
>> What on earth is your rationale for that ? !! 
>> 
>> Murray is a charming and witty interviewee, equally gracious in 
>> defeat as in victory.
>> 
>>> The stupendous Djoko- Del potro SF should have been the Final.
>> 
>> The final was exactly what the seeding dictated it should have been 
>> - 1 v 2 in the world.
>> DP did play great and made it a quality semi.
>> 
>>> Must grudgingly admit that The Git did play well today, though.
>> 
>> Big of you.
>> 

Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12

[Ian Murray]

Just because you don't win every game doesn't make you a bottler! Is Djokovic a 
bottler because he lost yesterday?!

Revie's team would be characterised bottlers if they made it to a whole load of 
finals and didn't win ANY or finished runner up in the league but never won it! 
Dunno what's wrong with that logic.

Are you seriously saying that neither Henman nor Monty were bottlers?!

You're calling me a dickhead because I don't think Revie's team were bottlers? 
Are you on the right list? And is there any need for that?! Really, really, 
really?!

Sent from my iPhone

On 09/07/2013, at 0:06, "Andy Clayton"  wrote:

> Your logic is impeccable.
> 
> Or do I mean impeccable? 
> 
> No, I think I mean you're a dickhead
> 
> Are you really, really, really a lawyer?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:59, Ian Murray  wrote:
> 
>> They weren't bottlers - they won it all mate. Yeah they lost out a few times 
>> but they weren't bottlers x
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 08/07/2013, at 23:57, "Mark Tuffey"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Has any other team ever been a bridesmaid as many times as Revie's Leeds?
>>> Does that make them bottlers?
>>> Cheers
>>> Mark 
>>> El Presidente Wisconsin Whites 
>>> Leeds United 
>>> Chicago Fire
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Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12

[Ian Murray]

How many majors did he win? And why didn't he win any?! 

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On 09/07/2013, at 0:16, "Matt Anderson"  wrote:

> FFS, he was number one in the world for years. I'd love to be that weak minded
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 8 Jul 2013, at 17:14, Ian Murray  wrote:
> 
>> No but he bottled the majors. No other reason he didn't win one. He had the 
>> talent but nerves meant that he couldn't convert. Isn't that the very 
>> definition of bottler?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 09/07/2013, at 0:11, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
>> 
>>> So you're gonna ignore his Ryder cup record ?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
>>> 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 08/07/2013, at 23:52, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
 
> Goran was a better grass court player than Henman - by beating him he 
> reached his 3rd final.
> 
> Just as the roof closing changed the final last year, the weather in 2001 
> saved Goran - half an hour more and Henman would have won. Coming back 
> the following day was a whole new ball game.
> 
> On a similar tack - Monty never won a golf major ... Is he a bottler ?
 In a word: yes
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:29, Ian Murray  wrote:
> 
>> Yeah they gathered to watch Henman, so fair enough 'Herman Hill'. But 
>> they gathered to watch Murray all fortnight, so Murray mound. Yeah - if 
>> they are there to watch Robson it's Robson ridge. It's a nickname. You 
>> make some good points but this is total bobbins.
>> 
>> He did bottle it. The year ivanesivic won he should have - but he 
>> bottled it. He could win tour titles but he never had the mental 
>> strength to win a slam - he was a choker and a bottler and that's just a 
>> plain fact mate.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 08/07/2013, at 23:17, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Henman was the first player people gathered there to see - just because 
>>> he was a lesser player than Murray doesn't mean the name changes.
>>> 
>>> If Laura robson wins more titles than Murray is it suddenly robson 
>>> ridge ?
>>> 
>>> Henman didn't bottle it - he played according to his level, maximising 
>>> his talent. It wasn't quite enough, doesn't make him a loser.
>>> 
>>> Any pro sportsman who gets to be top 5 has bags more bottle than you, 
>>> me or anyone else on this list - they couldn't get there without it.
>>> 
>>> Both Henman & Murray have managed a decade or so each of totally 
>>> unreasonable pressure re Wimbledon magnificently.
>>> Without them you'd have had 20 more years of media weeping and wailing 
>>> about GB tennis for a fortnight before reverting to total indifference 
>>> for the other 50 weeks of the year.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 15:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
>>> 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 08/07/2013, at 22:42, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
 
> On the contrary - disrespectful to Henman to change it.
 Nonsense. Was the hill there before Henman and has it been officially 
 called 'Herman hill'? 
> If Grayson had won more than Revie would you accept Revie Rd becoming 
> Grayson Grove ?
 
 Not if it had been officially called that - but that's completely 
 different to a media nickname.
> 
> Didn't think so.
> 
> Henman was the best since Perry - 60+ years. Murray wasn't around 
> then.
 
 He's been playing in wombledon for nearly 10 years hasn't he? I
> 
> Murray is the best since Perry - 70+ years ... Didn't think the maths 
> would be so challenging.
> 
> If your definition of a loser is someone who doesn't win a slam then 
> more than 99% of all pro tennis players are losers.
 
 I'd say someone who was talented enough to win a slam but doesn't is a 
 loser, yes. He undoubtedly could have won wombledon but he bottled it 
 every time.
> 
> It's a(nother) ridiculous assertion.
 
 I don't think it is.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 8 Jul 2013, at 14:54, Ian Murray  
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 08/07/2013, at 21:29, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
>> 
 Bollocks! He is a miserable uncouth yob who lost to a true 
 sportsman.
>>> 
>>> What on earth is your rationale for that ? !! 
>>> 
>>> Murray is a charming and witty interviewee, equally gracious in 
>>> defeat as in victory.
>>> 
 The stupendous Djoko- Del potro SF should have been the Final.
>>> 
>>> The fina

Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12

[Ian Murray]

No but he bottled the majors. No other reason he didn't win one. He had the 
talent but nerves meant that he couldn't convert. Isn't that the very 
definition of bottler?

Sent from my iPhone

On 09/07/2013, at 0:11, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:

> So you're gonna ignore his Ryder cup record ?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 08/07/2013, at 23:52, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Goran was a better grass court player than Henman - by beating him he 
>>> reached his 3rd final.
>>> 
>>> Just as the roof closing changed the final last year, the weather in 2001 
>>> saved Goran - half an hour more and Henman would have won. Coming back the 
>>> following day was a whole new ball game.
>>> 
>>> On a similar tack - Monty never won a golf major ... Is he a bottler ?
>> In a word: yes
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:29, Ian Murray  wrote:
>>> 
 Yeah they gathered to watch Henman, so fair enough 'Herman Hill'. But they 
 gathered to watch Murray all fortnight, so Murray mound. Yeah - if they 
 are there to watch Robson it's Robson ridge. It's a nickname. You make 
 some good points but this is total bobbins.
 
 He did bottle it. The year ivanesivic won he should have - but he bottled 
 it. He could win tour titles but he never had the mental strength to win a 
 slam - he was a choker and a bottler and that's just a plain fact mate.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 08/07/2013, at 23:17, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
 
> Henman was the first player people gathered there to see - just because 
> he was a lesser player than Murray doesn't mean the name changes.
> 
> If Laura robson wins more titles than Murray is it suddenly robson ridge ?
> 
> Henman didn't bottle it - he played according to his level, maximising 
> his talent. It wasn't quite enough, doesn't make him a loser.
> 
> Any pro sportsman who gets to be top 5 has bags more bottle than you, me 
> or anyone else on this list - they couldn't get there without it.
> 
> Both Henman & Murray have managed a decade or so each of totally 
> unreasonable pressure re Wimbledon magnificently.
> Without them you'd have had 20 more years of media weeping and wailing 
> about GB tennis for a fortnight before reverting to total indifference 
> for the other 50 weeks of the year.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 8 Jul 2013, at 15:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 08/07/2013, at 22:42, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
>> 
>>> On the contrary - disrespectful to Henman to change it.
>> Nonsense. Was the hill there before Henman and has it been officially 
>> called 'Herman hill'? 
>>> If Grayson had won more than Revie would you accept Revie Rd becoming 
>>> Grayson Grove ?
>> 
>> Not if it had been officially called that - but that's completely 
>> different to a media nickname.
>>> 
>>> Didn't think so.
>>> 
>>> Henman was the best since Perry - 60+ years. Murray wasn't around then.
>> 
>> He's been playing in wombledon for nearly 10 years hasn't he? I
>>> 
>>> Murray is the best since Perry - 70+ years ... Didn't think the maths 
>>> would be so challenging.
>>> 
>>> If your definition of a loser is someone who doesn't win a slam then 
>>> more than 99% of all pro tennis players are losers.
>> 
>> I'd say someone who was talented enough to win a slam but doesn't is a 
>> loser, yes. He undoubtedly could have won wombledon but he bottled it 
>> every time.
>>> 
>>> It's a(nother) ridiculous assertion.
>> 
>> I don't think it is.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 14:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
>>> 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 08/07/2013, at 21:29, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
 
>> Bollocks! He is a miserable uncouth yob who lost to a true sportsman.
> 
> What on earth is your rationale for that ? !! 
> 
> Murray is a charming and witty interviewee, equally gracious in 
> defeat as in victory.
> 
>> The stupendous Djoko- Del potro SF should have been the Final.
> 
> The final was exactly what the seeding dictated it should have been - 
> 1 v 2 in the world.
> DP did play great and made it a quality semi.
> 
>> Must grudgingly admit that The Git did play well today, though.
> 
> Big of you.
> 
> 
>> I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would 
>> I? but
> then again I wouldnt see it as a scottish victory when the english 
> man won
> tour de france.
> 
> If you'd written:
> "I wouldnt see this as a brit

Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12

[Matt Anderson]

I don't think me or his bank manager care.

Sent from my iPhone

On 8 Jul 2013, at 17:17, Ian Murray  wrote:

> How many majors did he win? And why didn't he win any?! 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 09/07/2013, at 0:16, "Matt Anderson"  wrote:
> 
>> FFS, he was number one in the world for years. I'd love to be that weak 
>> minded
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 17:14, Ian Murray  wrote:
>> 
>>> No but he bottled the majors. No other reason he didn't win one. He had the 
>>> talent but nerves meant that he couldn't convert. Isn't that the very 
>>> definition of bottler?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 09/07/2013, at 0:11, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
>>> 
 So you're gonna ignore his Ryder cup record ?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 08/07/2013, at 23:52, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
> 
>> Goran was a better grass court player than Henman - by beating him he 
>> reached his 3rd final.
>> 
>> Just as the roof closing changed the final last year, the weather in 
>> 2001 saved Goran - half an hour more and Henman would have won. Coming 
>> back the following day was a whole new ball game.
>> 
>> On a similar tack - Monty never won a golf major ... Is he a bottler ?
> In a word: yes
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:29, Ian Murray  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah they gathered to watch Henman, so fair enough 'Herman Hill'. But 
>>> they gathered to watch Murray all fortnight, so Murray mound. Yeah - if 
>>> they are there to watch Robson it's Robson ridge. It's a nickname. You 
>>> make some good points but this is total bobbins.
>>> 
>>> He did bottle it. The year ivanesivic won he should have - but he 
>>> bottled it. He could win tour titles but he never had the mental 
>>> strength to win a slam - he was a choker and a bottler and that's just 
>>> a plain fact mate.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 08/07/2013, at 23:17, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
>>> 
 Henman was the first player people gathered there to see - just 
 because he was a lesser player than Murray doesn't mean the name 
 changes.
 
 If Laura robson wins more titles than Murray is it suddenly robson 
 ridge ?
 
 Henman didn't bottle it - he played according to his level, maximising 
 his talent. It wasn't quite enough, doesn't make him a loser.
 
 Any pro sportsman who gets to be top 5 has bags more bottle than you, 
 me or anyone else on this list - they couldn't get there without it.
 
 Both Henman & Murray have managed a decade or so each of totally 
 unreasonable pressure re Wimbledon magnificently.
 Without them you'd have had 20 more years of media weeping and wailing 
 about GB tennis for a fortnight before reverting to total indifference 
 for the other 50 weeks of the year.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 8 Jul 2013, at 15:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 08/07/2013, at 22:42, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
> 
>> On the contrary - disrespectful to Henman to change it.
> Nonsense. Was the hill there before Henman and has it been officially 
> called 'Herman hill'? 
>> If Grayson had won more than Revie would you accept Revie Rd 
>> becoming Grayson Grove ?
> 
> Not if it had been officially called that - but that's completely 
> different to a media nickname.
>> 
>> Didn't think so.
>> 
>> Henman was the best since Perry - 60+ years. Murray wasn't around 
>> then.
> 
> He's been playing in wombledon for nearly 10 years hasn't he? I
>> 
>> Murray is the best since Perry - 70+ years ... Didn't think the 
>> maths would be so challenging.
>> 
>> If your definition of a loser is someone who doesn't win a slam then 
>> more than 99% of all pro tennis players are losers.
> 
> I'd say someone who was talented enough to win a slam but doesn't is 
> a loser, yes. He undoubtedly could have won wombledon but he bottled 
> it every time.
>> 
>> It's a(nother) ridiculous assertion.
> 
> I don't think it is.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 14:54, Ian Murray  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 08/07/2013, at 21:29, "Alan Edgar"  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
> Bollocks! He is a miserable uncouth yob who lost to a true 
> sportsman.
 
 What on earth is y

Re: [LU] NON LU: Don't argue with the ref. Is this real?

[Richard Naef]

>http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jul/07/brazilian-referee-decapitate
d-stabs-player

I'm looking forward to the "You Are The Ref" take on it

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[Gmail]

Thanks chris! 

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On 08/07/2013, at 16:30, Chris Briggs  wrote:

> Eric, 
> 
> It wasn't the prize money from Wimbledon (£1.6M) he gave away, it was his 
> winnings from Queens (£73k) 3 weeks ago, which whilst not exactly miserly 
> only represents about 2% of his earnings to date so far this year.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Chris
> 
> On 8 Jul 2013, at 00:49, "Eric B"  wrote:
> 
>> I wouldnt see this as a british victory if I was scottish, why would I? but
>> then again I wouldnt see it as a scottish victory when the english man won
>> tour de france.
>> 
>> Murray, what a guy. I saw on the news he gave the entire prize money to a
>> hospital where one of his mates is for cancer treatment. so much for the
>> cheap scot stereotype :-)
>> 
>> respect
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 4:43 AM, Sutton / Smail wrote:
>> 
>>> I was glued!
>>> Brilliant tennis.
>>> Let's hope all the Scots see this as a British victory - bet they will not.
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 37, Issue 12

[Eric B]

On this bottler thing: I dont think either of us know 100% sure why someone
doesnt win major titles, in tennis or golf, during a career.

There are instances where sports like these are dominated by an individual
for quite some time. Ie in recent times, Federer. They are just
BETTER players and that doesnt equal to the fact that the others didnt have
the nerves to beat them. There are wy too many factors at play here
to just call 1 as THE factor. Maybe calling someone a bottler AND making
the call that he lost due to nerves is a bit rich?

Viewing things in black and white sometimes doesnt show you the entire
spectre that applies.

I personally wouldnt call Henman a loser because he excelled at world level
at what probably was his hobby. And set himself up for life in doing so.
At the same time hes not a winner. So maybe hes not quite a winner but
certainly not the loser either?

Cheers,
Eric


On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:44 AM, Ian Murray wrote:

> No but he bottled the majors. No other reason he didn't win one. He had
> the talent but nerves meant that he couldn't convert. Isn't that the very
> definition of bottler?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 09/07/2013, at 0:11, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
>
> > So you're gonna ignore his Ryder cup record ?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On 08/07/2013, at 23:52, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Goran was a better grass court player than Henman - by beating him he
> reached his 3rd final.
> >>>
> >>> Just as the roof closing changed the final last year, the weather in
> 2001 saved Goran - half an hour more and Henman would have won. Coming back
> the following day was a whole new ball game.
> >>>
> >>> On a similar tack - Monty never won a golf major ... Is he a bottler ?
> >> In a word: yes
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:29, Ian Murray 
> wrote:
> >>>
>  Yeah they gathered to watch Henman, so fair enough 'Herman Hill'. But
> they gathered to watch Murray all fortnight, so Murray mound. Yeah - if
> they are there to watch Robson it's Robson ridge. It's a nickname. You make
> some good points but this is total bobbins.
> 
>  He did bottle it. The year ivanesivic won he should have - but he
> bottled it. He could win tour titles but he never had the mental strength
> to win a slam - he was a choker and a bottler and that's just a plain fact
> mate.
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
>  On 08/07/2013, at 23:17, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
> 
> > Henman was the first player people gathered there to see - just
> because he was a lesser player than Murray doesn't mean the name changes.
> >
> > If Laura robson wins more titles than Murray is it suddenly robson
> ridge ?
> >
> > Henman didn't bottle it - he played according to his level,
> maximising his talent. It wasn't quite enough, doesn't make him a loser.
> >
> > Any pro sportsman who gets to be top 5 has bags more bottle than
> you, me or anyone else on this list - they couldn't get there without it.
> >
> > Both Henman & Murray have managed a decade or so each of totally
> unreasonable pressure re Wimbledon magnificently.
> > Without them you'd have had 20 more years of media weeping and
> wailing about GB tennis for a fortnight before reverting to total
> indifference for the other 50 weeks of the year.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 8 Jul 2013, at 15:54, Ian Murray 
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On 08/07/2013, at 22:42, "Alan Edgar" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On the contrary - disrespectful to Henman to change it.
> >> Nonsense. Was the hill there before Henman and has it been
> officially called 'Herman hill'?
> >>> If Grayson had won more than Revie would you accept Revie Rd
> becoming Grayson Grove ?
> >>
> >> Not if it had been officially called that - but that's completely
> different to a media nickname.
> >>>
> >>> Didn't think so.
> >>>
> >>> Henman was the best since Perry - 60+ years. Murray wasn't around
> then.
> >>
> >> He's been playing in wombledon for nearly 10 years hasn't he? I
> >>>
> >>> Murray is the best since Perry - 70+ years ... Didn't think the
> maths would be so challenging.
> >>>
> >>> If your definition of a loser is someone who doesn't win a slam
> then more than 99% of all pro tennis players are losers.
> >>
> >> I'd say someone who was talented enough to win a slam but doesn't
> is a loser, yes. He undoubtedly could have won wombledon but he bottled it
> every time.
> >>>
> >>> It's a(nother) ridiculous assertion.
> >>
> >> I don't think it is.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 14:54, Ian Murray 
> wrote:
> >>>
> 
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
>  On 08/07/2013, at 21

Re: [LU] Andy Murray

[Allan Mikkelsen]

On Mon, 8 Jul 2013 12:04:31 +0100,"Nigel Sykes"  wrote:

>> It was a Monty Python sketch where aliens were turning everyone into 
>> Scotsmen so the aliens could win Wimbledon.
>
>Available for viewing at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3cKAhL0c-g

Pretty good.  For bthe view from the other side of the world, I quote the Sydney
Morning Herald:-

"A Lions side full of Welsh players humiliates the Wallabies then a Scotsman
wins Wimbledon – and all of England cannot be prouder."


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[Ian Murray]

So why post?!

Sent from my iPhone

On 09/07/2013, at 1:49, "Matt Anderson"  wrote:

> I don't think me or his bank manager care.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 8 Jul 2013, at 17:17, Ian Murray  wrote:
> 
>> How many majors did he win? And why didn't he win any?! 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 09/07/2013, at 0:16, "Matt Anderson"  wrote:
>> 
>>> FFS, he was number one in the world for years. I'd love to be that weak 
>>> minded
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 17:14, Ian Murray  wrote:
>>> 
 No but he bottled the majors. No other reason he didn't win one. He had 
 the talent but nerves meant that he couldn't convert. Isn't that the very 
 definition of bottler?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 09/07/2013, at 0:11, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
 
> So you're gonna ignore his Ryder cup record ?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:54, Ian Murray  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 08/07/2013, at 23:52, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Goran was a better grass court player than Henman - by beating him he 
>>> reached his 3rd final.
>>> 
>>> Just as the roof closing changed the final last year, the weather in 
>>> 2001 saved Goran - half an hour more and Henman would have won. Coming 
>>> back the following day was a whole new ball game.
>>> 
>>> On a similar tack - Monty never won a golf major ... Is he a bottler ?
>> In a word: yes
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 16:29, Ian Murray  wrote:
>>> 
 Yeah they gathered to watch Henman, so fair enough 'Herman Hill'. But 
 they gathered to watch Murray all fortnight, so Murray mound. Yeah - 
 if they are there to watch Robson it's Robson ridge. It's a nickname. 
 You make some good points but this is total bobbins.
 
 He did bottle it. The year ivanesivic won he should have - but he 
 bottled it. He could win tour titles but he never had the mental 
 strength to win a slam - he was a choker and a bottler and that's just 
 a plain fact mate.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 08/07/2013, at 23:17, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
 
> Henman was the first player people gathered there to see - just 
> because he was a lesser player than Murray doesn't mean the name 
> changes.
> 
> If Laura robson wins more titles than Murray is it suddenly robson 
> ridge ?
> 
> Henman didn't bottle it - he played according to his level, 
> maximising his talent. It wasn't quite enough, doesn't make him a 
> loser.
> 
> Any pro sportsman who gets to be top 5 has bags more bottle than you, 
> me or anyone else on this list - they couldn't get there without it.
> 
> Both Henman & Murray have managed a decade or so each of totally 
> unreasonable pressure re Wimbledon magnificently.
> Without them you'd have had 20 more years of media weeping and 
> wailing about GB tennis for a fortnight before reverting to total 
> indifference for the other 50 weeks of the year.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 8 Jul 2013, at 15:54, Ian Murray  
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 08/07/2013, at 22:42, "Alan Edgar"  wrote:
>> 
>>> On the contrary - disrespectful to Henman to change it.
>> Nonsense. Was the hill there before Henman and has it been 
>> officially called 'Herman hill'? 
>>> If Grayson had won more than Revie would you accept Revie Rd 
>>> becoming Grayson Grove ?
>> 
>> Not if it had been officially called that - but that's completely 
>> different to a media nickname.
>>> 
>>> Didn't think so.
>>> 
>>> Henman was the best since Perry - 60+ years. Murray wasn't around 
>>> then.
>> 
>> He's been playing in wombledon for nearly 10 years hasn't he? I
>>> 
>>> Murray is the best since Perry - 70+ years ... Didn't think the 
>>> maths would be so challenging.
>>> 
>>> If your definition of a loser is someone who doesn't win a slam 
>>> then more than 99% of all pro tennis players are losers.
>> 
>> I'd say someone who was talented enough to win a slam but doesn't is 
>> a loser, yes. He undoubtedly could have won wombledon but he bottled 
>> it every time.
>>> 
>>> It's a(nother) ridiculous assertion.
>> 
>> I don't think it is.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 14:54, Ian Murray  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 
 
 Sent from my iP