[LU] Well

[Nick Allen]

Let’s hear it for Meslier, one on one at  2-0.

Yours, falling apart.

Nick
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Re: [LU] Someone turn the lights off on the way out

[Nick Allen]

Bloody abject that was.

Never ahead in a game we had to win.

Play offs on our worst form of the season. I suppose that has to break at some 
point. Doesn’t it?

Nick

> On 4 May 2024, at 14:42, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
> 
> We looked more like a team struggling to stay out of the bottom 4 than going 
> for promotion. Out-footballed again and tactically out-smarted. 
> 
> I expect nothing from the play-offs - this is a team with no grit, no passion 
> or heart, with more than half the team going through their worst form of the 
> season. Worst of all, I don’t think Farke is sure of his best xi or tactics 
> anymore. 
> 
> Credit to Ipswich and Leicester - they overcame their tricky patches, 
> where-as we’ve just fallen apart! 
> 
> Pointless blaming certain individuals, but Firpo and Rutter gave me 
> flash-backs to last season  
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Re: [LU] Scared?

[Nick Allen]

Why? He’s been outstanding.

Regularly touted by non-Leeds people as the best in the league.

Nick

> On 13 Apr 2024, at 14:36, Jim Moran  wrote:
> 
> I think he lost himself today
> 
>> On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 at 14:32, Ed Morrish  wrote:
>> 
>> UPDATE:
>> 
>> I’m no longer worried about losing Summerville.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 13 Apr 2024, at 12:13, Ed Morrish  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I was talking to an Ipswich mate, and my general assessment of them is
>> they’ve had an amazing season, but if they go up they’ll get battered every
>> week - they simply won’t score enough goals against PL defences. His
>> response was that if they didn’t go up, he was scared that they’d lose
>> McKenna (presumably to West Han or Brighton, if vacancies arrive).
>>> 
>>> So what are we scared of, if we don’t go up? I think we see the breakup
>> of this team, and that’s worries me. It’s not like Bielsa’s first season,
>> where we kept the team we had. We WILL lose - have to lose, financially -
>> players like Gnonto, Cree and Rutter. Maybe not Archie this year, but DF
>> would be starting from scratch and you never really know how a player is
>> going to bed in, and if that causes the same disruption in September that
>> the comings and goings caused last September, we could find ourselves
>> chasing the pack once again.
>>> 
>>> I just hope that we’ve done some work on the outcasts - what happens to
>> Harrison, Aaronson, Rasmus et al - if we are still an EFL team next year…
>>> 
>>> Ed.
>>> 
>>> 
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[LU] Meslier

[Nick Allen]

Kept us in it when the going was tough.

Fucking get in.

Nick
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Re: [LU] Super Dave.

[Nick Allen]

Definitely in my thoughts, Scott.

Nick

> On 8 Jan 2024, at 11:17, Damian WALSH  wrote:
> 
> I'd like to join you in that memory if I may.
> 
> With thoughts also for Guy and the other listers who are no longer with
> us
> 
> Damian
> 
> Le lun. 8 janv. 2024 à 12:15, Scott1cairns1  a
> écrit :
> 
>> Remembering David Dowden who passed away this day last  year.
>> Best regards,Scott.
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Re: [LU] This afty

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3-0 he always told me.

Missing him today. FFS

Nick

> On 6 Aug 2023, at 13:10, John Boocock  wrote:
> 
> Given that Lido is not here to give me a totally outlandish score prediction 
> I will take on that role. Hopefully not as off the mark as his often were, to 
> the point where once he predicted we would win 3-2 when we were already 4-1 
> down! 
> 
> Leeds vs Cardiff Lidpredictor Score 2-0.
> 
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Re: [LU] Big Sam.

[Nick Allen]

From the sublime to the ridiculous in 14 months, what a board.

Nick

> On 2 May 2023, at 13:59, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> he's coming in at centre back not manager. Think he'll do a better job,. 
>On Tuesday, 2 May 2023 at 13:19:01 BST, John Lee via Leedslist 
>  wrote:  
> 
> The final humiliation indeed! If they wanted a fat old bloke who hasn’t 
> worked for 10 years I’d have been a better option ;-) 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 2 May 2023, at 11:54, Alec McQueen  wrote:
>> 
>> He stands an infinitely higher chance of getting some kind of result over 
>> the next 4 games than the current clown in charge. We needed to throw the 
>> dice, and Sam is a big gamble, but he’s a good gamble. He moves pit chance 
>> of survival from zero to 10%. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 2 May 2023, at 20:48, Scott1cairns1  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh dear oh dear. 
>>> The final humiliation 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,Scott. 
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Re: [LU] Centre Forward

[Nick Allen]

That aged well - what a performance against a team worth however many hundreds 
of millions. 

Only possible weak link was Rasmus. 

Adams, Aaronson, Rodrigo & Harrison murdered their defence.

While our back 5 kept Sterling, Mount  and all at arms length.

Brilliant day.

Nick

> On 21 Aug 2022, at 16:09, greg  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I don't know King, they seemed to do ok today .
> 
> 
> 
> Best performance under Marsch by far. Can't wait to read Dave Natten. It must 
> have been a blast!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> On 21 Aug 2022 at 14:18, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Well I've seen today's team and guess what. Bamford injured, Joffy not
>> selected.
>> 
>> So if Marsch does not think Joffy is good enough to start, how can the very
>> idea of signing a striker be impeding his progress? James and Rodrigo have
>> proved they are not C.Forwards time and time again. Does Marsch really
>> believe they don't need backup for Bamford, who is going to take a while to
>> get up to full fitness, or is he covering for the complete inability of
>> Orta etc to make any progress?
>> 
>> Of course it is precisely the same for the left back position. Apart from
>> the fact that even when Firpo gets fit it will take 2 games or less to
>> realise he us not up to it either.
>> 
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[LU] Fwd: Official hes gone

[Nick Allen]

I feel a little less love for lufc this morning.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: nattan--- via Leedslist 
> Date: 27 February 2022 at 11:11:52 GMT
> To: leeds list 
> Subject: [LU] Official hes gone
> Reply-To: "nat...@sky.com" 
> 
>  A big decision , they had better be correct,Awful if we go down now 
> DaveA Bielsa lover for ever
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Re: [LU] Palace

[Nick Allen]

Agree Dave. Our defence stood up against a strong, fast & awkward forward line 
really well. Forshaw looks like he’s never been away. James had his best game 
and with Raph on the pitch there’s always a chance of a goal - some balls to 
take that penalty and like that.

Someone else said “91 tense, nerve wracking minutes, followed by 4 of the best.”

One thing is that the appeals for VAR adds a whole extra level of appeal and 
wait... before the taker even steps up to kick the ball.

Nick



> On 1 Dec 2021, at 09:38, nattan--- via Leedslist  wrote:
> 
> Well we needed a win, and wow did we get one, in a most dramatic wayFeel 
> sorry for some of my mates and other fans who due to the late kick off had to 
> leave before the penalty. 
> Whatever rubbish trolls on Twitter or talksport co e out with it is clear the 
> match going fans are 100% behind Bielsa and this team. The atmosphere was 
> excellent throughout with the whole ground rocking to waccoe s few timesThe 
> okzters responded and gave everything in a tough match in atrocious 
> conditions They had one glaring miss- a header- an one that Meslier clawed 
> back off the line.  We controlled much of the game without creating too much. 
> James had his best game for us, Rodrigo missed from a few yards out
> It looked like bring a stalemate but when the board went up for 5 extra 
> minutes the roar from the crowd showed the game was still there to win 
> Then a corner, Cooper jumped for it and next thing 5 or 6 players were 
> surrounding the ref - very unLeeds like so we knew something had happened.  
> Var called the ref over , a sure sign that a penalty was coming, and it 
> didRaph stepped up, we all held our breath especially when he stopped and 
> skipped but then fired home - cue pandemonium. 
> A great end to a decent enough performance and I think a deserved 3 pts 
> Takes a bit of pressure off - need another 3 on Sunday 
> Fans sang all the way to buses and cars,great stuff.  It was makes it al, 
> worthwhile 
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Re: [LU] We're not nasty any more ...

[Nick Allen]

94% ST renewal rate, apparently.

Nick

Sent from my iPad

> On 28 Mar 2020, at 13:35, Richard Naef  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Guy, looking forward to the Lovely Leeds t-shirt.
> 
> Sent from my Mobile.
> 
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Guy Thornton 
> 
> Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 6:26:18 PM
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
> Subject: [LU] We're not nasty any more ...
> 
> It seems our new soubriquet is 'Lovely Leeds':
> 
> https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/26/leeds-united-not-so-nasty-now?
> 
> a small thing maybe but in these times any light relief helps.
> 
> hope everyone is bearing up and fit and healthy
> 
> guy
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] : Kiko's ban

[Nick Allen]

Thanks Ed, fascinating.

So, found not to be a racist who made a racist utterance on this occasion...

Nick

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> On 3 Mar 2020, at 18:15, Ed Morrish  wrote:
> 
> The relevant paragraph, is maybe...
> 
> *The Corner was then taken in the 72nd minute of the match, and KC punched
> the ball clear. It is alleged by the FA that immediately thereafter KC
> audibly directed at JL the words ‘you fucking nigger’. In these Written
> Reasons we refer to that alleged use of those words as ‘the Incident’.*
> 
> Ed.
> 
>> On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 at 18:11,  wrote:
>> 
>> I've tried downloading the FA's pdf 20 times, and each time I get a
>> "network error" message. I don't usually have that problem with pdfs (I
>> have a Macbook Air laptop).  Has anyone on the List successfully accessed
>> that pdf? The only article so far I've seen is by Graham Smyth on the YEP
>> website, and it just focuses on the FA's defense of its use of "balance of
>> probability," not on the details of the events in question. I have yet to
>> actually read anywhere in the past five months a detailed account that
>> answers the following questions:
>> 
>> What is Casilla is alleged to have said? In what language?
>> At what point in the game is he alleged to have said it?
>> What did Casilla say he said?
>> The game was televised [I watched it], so does video exist of this moment
>> in the game?
>> Who was reasonably within earshot of Casilla at that moment? (including
>> players, match officials, photographers and cameramen, stewards, etc)?
>> Of those people, how many were interviewed?
>> What did those people say?
>> Etc. Etc. Etc.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ed Morrish 
>> To: list leedslist 
>> Sent: Tue, Mar 3, 2020 12:37 pm
>> Subject: [LU] : Kiko's ban
>> 
>> Full written reasoning here:
>> 
>> http://www.thefa.com/news/2020/mar/03/kiko-casilla-written-reasons-030320
>> 
>> Ed.
>> 
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Re: [LU] No List, or have people given up?

[Nick Allen]

Shackleton or isn’t there another young star midfielder?

And yes to Davies at LB.

> On 24 Jan 2020, at 13:52, Joe Skinner  wrote:
> 
> Please not White there again
> 
> IS Forshaw injured? Not that I rate him or Klich that highly, more that 
> central mid is their natural position.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Nicholas Armit 
> via Leedslist
> Sent: 24 January 2020 04:17
> To: Robert Heath 
> Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org; Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) 
> Subject: Re: [LU] No List, or have people given up?
> 
> Well it was his idea to go lunging in needlessly and deprive us of his 
> majestic play so maybe we might have to play another way rather than another 
> square peg in a round hole.
> Nick
>On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 09:50:23 PM EST, Robert Heath 
>  wrote:  
> 
> I hate to break this 
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Re: [LU] No List, or have people given up?

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This is me as well...

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> On 23 Jan 2020, at 17:20, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Deep down, despite everything and the changes in my mood, this is exactly how 
> I feel too...
> I still love watching us play even when results aren't with us, we've watched 
> too much rubbish in the last 15 years not to appreciate what we have now, 
> however transient it may be and even if it doesn't lead to the Premiership.
> 
> There are moments in every game (some more than others) where I think "f*ck 
> me that was good."
> Nick
>On Thursday, January 23, 2020, 08:35:14 AM EST, alan.edgar--- via 
> Leedslist  wrote:  
> 
> I'm not in quite in the unremittingly positive camp that Naefy occupies, but 
> am more positive than last year for the following reasons.There is no team 
> pursuing us equivalent in quality to Sheff U.WBA are not as good as 
> Norwich.No-one wants the play-offs, but they still offer a chance to get 
> promoted and the last 50 minutes v Derby really was a debacle that even we 
> would struggle to repeat.Debacle-wise, I also agree that I'm not sure QPR 
> qualifies. I went to Loftus Rd twice last season and we lost both, and my 
> trip to Craven Cottage at Xmas was equally unsuccessful - we have lost our 
> last 8 in London (guess that means anything at Brentford is a bonus) and 
> while we can't have that continuing I thought that we were again unfortunate 
> whilst not helping ourselves - the unnecessary nature of the Phillips tackle 
> was debacle-esque (surely not a word) given how small our squad is and how 
> important he is to the way we play.
> The pressure is off the chasers - if they do get up to us and/or WBA then 
> they suddenly have something to lose and could suffer accordingly.I still 
> love watching us play even when results aren't with us, we've watched too 
> much rubbish in the last 15 years not to appreciate what we have now, however 
> transient it may be and even if it doesn't lead to the Premiership.
> Al
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> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 11:35:39 + (UTC)
> From: "nat...@sky.com" 
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> Subject: Re: [LU] No List, or have people given up?
> 
> Not sure how much of a "debacle" QPR was. A penalty turned down at 0-0 and 
> before Bamfords confidence was shot for the day, followed by a 'goal' that no 
> one in the football world thinks should have stood, then we missed a penalty 
> late on. Yes the result was awful but the performance etc was not that 
> bad.Fans are losing it for 2 reasons - one last season and the awful 
> collapse, we all worry that history is repeating itself.Second is the recall 
> of Nketiah, despite him being less than peripheral whilst he was here, and 
> the, as yet, failure to replace him. Given west brom going worse than us 
> recently and brentford, Fulham and forest all dropping unexpected points 
> things are still very much in our own hands. Beat Millwall and Wigan and 
> things will look miles better
> The new lad from City , signing as I type, could give us a boost  - he seems 
> a 'wild card' and if he can give us that unpredictability we lack at times he 
> could be the shot in the arm we need ( provided Bielsa gives him a game !)The 
> future is still white, keep the faith.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Jack Clarke

[Nick Allen]

Made me laugh

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> On 16 Jan 2020, at 18:53, Robert Heath  wrote:
> 
> Play Berardi on his side and he won't dare try and run with the ball.
> 
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 7:39 PM paul.tweney via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> 
>> I see he's going to QPR on loan until the end of the season and could make
>> his debut on Saturday...MaverickSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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Re: [LU] Today

[Nick Allen]

Today was bad. Caught by a sucker punch. But too many players were flat, second 
to a lot of challenges, lazy hospital balls, sloppy marking. Yes Wednesday came 
and chased and fought, but they weren’t good.

Yes, Kiko should not get beaten at the near post, that was bad: but so was 
Harrison and Bamford’s inability to hit the target with good chances; so was 
Ayling’s passing and Dallas’s non-presence in midfield.; as was Costa’s 
complete invisibility; as was Douglas.

All in all a car crash today. Only White, Cooper and Phillips came out with any 
credit...and Harrison’s first half. Kalvin is being overrun in midfield, they 
need Forshaw, Roberts or Hernandez alongside because Klich who is at least a 
specialist there and Dallas isn’t working. 

Nick

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> On 11 Jan 2020, at 17:10, Richard walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Gutted.
> 
> Thank fuck I missed that but watched on t’web. 
> 
> Too many players making basic mistakes and a poor team selection from Bielsa 
> playing Douglas instead of Allioski. Douglas just can’t defend and we were 
> lucky not to concede a couple as he was skinned as if he wasn’t there.
> 
> Up front Bamford was terrible, he squanders chance after chance and with no 
> Eddie on the bench where’s the plan B? 
> 
> Dallas didn’t do a thing and he’s not a midfielder and I would reinstate him 
> at right wing back. Ayling’s distribution today was awful and when you couple 
> that with terrible defensive displays against Brum ( forget the fucking goal) 
> the fact he was up for player of the month is a joke.
> 
> Costa is a complete luxury. Yes we see glimpses and nice touches now and 
> again but that’s not fucking good enough, he needs to show some consistency.
> 
> Harrison gave us another Arsenal performance - excellent first half then 
> nothing second. I’d consider taking him off at half time in games.
> 
> We spent most of the first half passing square balls from Cooper to White to 
> Douglas, great for possession stars but fuck all use in trying to win a game.
> 
> And finally, what the fuck was Kiko doing for the goal? Yes he’s had a better 
> season but he’s still a fucking liability and his indecision at corners means 
> we look like conceding every time.
> 
> Some big decisions now for Bielsa and the board. We need another striker as a 
> priority for me. 
> 
> Kiko - 3. 
> Ayling - 4
> Douglas -2
> Cooper - 7
> White - 7
> Dallas - 2
> Philips - 7
> Klich - 5
> Costa - 4
> Bamford - 4
> Harrison - 6
> 
> Subs;
> 
> Allioski - didn’t have the impact he usually does and their first goal was a 
> break down the right , he was nowhere
> 
> Stevens - he didn’t do owt but I like the look of this lad. Quick and good 
> control.
> 
> Hernandez - good to see him back but he was unable to change the game 
> 
> Got to take my daughter and her friends out now for her 13th birthday - I’m 
> going to be a right barrel of laughs. More vino garçon !
> 
> Fucking Leeds !
> 
>> On 11 Jan 2020, at 09:35, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>> 
>> Seems like ages since I was at the game so am buzzing for today.  A full 
>> house and , for once, they have sold out too, just hope we dont let the band 
>> in
>> I suppose we will be saying it every week from now on but this feels like a 
>> massive game. Christmas and new year is over and we are approaching the 
>> final leg. 
>> Pablo could be on the bench which we may need as they will try and kill the 
>> game from start to finish 
>> Is this really going to be our year or will we implode again 
>> COME ON LEEDS
>> Dont you know, pump it up, the whites are going up
>> Dave
>> 
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Re: [LU] Strikers

[Nick Allen]

We have the second highest goals scored in the division and the best goal 
difference...the game is how well do Leeds Utd do not how well does any 
particular player do. 

Nick

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> On 31 Dec 2019, at 21:06, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Pretty much agree.
> Nick
>On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, 03:03:48 PM EST, Richard Naef 
>  wrote:  
> 
> I'm not really bothered if EN gets recalled, in fact I'm glad we've done what 
> MB thinks is best and not what arse want.  If his agent thinks he's going to 
> get much PL playing time, I think he's mistaken, most arse fans I know don't 
> think they need more attackers, but a captain, cental defenders and Ozil back 
> on form.  Most likely Eddie will go back out on loan to some playoff 
> contender who guaranteed match time. He'll find out how hard the championship 
> is.
> 
> Sent from my Mobile.
> 
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Mark Pilling 
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 7:10:08 PM
> To: leedslist 
> Subject: [LU] Strikers
> 
> Thoughts?  Whilst I wish Bamford had the sniffing instincts of not even
> Sniffer, but Becchio or Chapman, and as much as I wish Neketiah had not got
> his bollock twisted and proved he was key to our appalling chances to goals
> ratio, I reckon this is a spot on article.
> 
> https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/latest-leeds-united-news/why-arsenals-eddie-nketiah-has-failed-make-inroads-leeds-united-under-marcelo-bielsa-and-what-whites-need-now-1352543?fbclid=IwAR1iIXmkW4j-WRVwnWfWTvqX1pBzeaOL1-eYEMvkgN5erkDcXz3CgnfgKRI
> 
> Cheers
> 
> PS. For Christmas I asked Santa for a renewed contract for Marcelo. Please
> Santa.
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Re: [LU] preston

[Nick Allen]

I’m with Nick Armit on this. This year is a step up from last. And as for Saiz 
and Roofe have you forgotten all the groans about their inconsistencies?

Nick

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> On 27 Dec 2019, at 18:12, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
> 
> Kind of disagree. There have been games this season where I think we have 
> been better than at any other point. The first 50 mins against Cardiff was at 
> times unbelievable.
> 
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Friday, December 27, 2019, 01:06:45 PM EST, Jim Moran 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> What I like is that we haven’t got anywhere remotely near how good we were
> first half of last season with Roofe and Saiz, but we’re still in the mix.
> 
> Time will tell if we have the right squad this year. Eddie coming on late
> works well against teams that have ran themselves ragged dealing with
> Bamford, but can’t imagine Arsenal will be happy for him to stay. Equally,
> no decent striker will come here to do the same role.
> 
> On Fri, 27 Dec 2019 at 16:43, Nick  wrote:
> 
> > Only time will tell Dave - but at the moment I am not given to pessimism
> > about us. The equaliser was going to come, they had hardly been out of
> > their box for the 10 minutes prior. I still think we’re a match for anyone
> > and pretty much everyone else would swap our ‘problems’ for theirs.
> >
> > Preston ran hard for 30 minutes, they had a plan and worked to it and it
> > paid off - their goal was a good counter attack, although I’m sure MB will
> > be having words about the getting caught in possession that started it and
> > the gaping hole down the middle of the park that they ran through. They
> > nearly managed to eke it out to 90 minutes through gamesmanship (or ‘game
> > management’ as I think it gets euphemistically called these days), cheating
> > and some good last ditch defending.
> >
> > Kiko - had another steady enough game - despite that early dash to a
> > tackle he didn’t really make, and looking at replays of the goal, I think
> > he should have been out faster, but he is still our best keeper for several
> > seasons (including him, last year).
> >
> > White and Cooper are coming up against it in recent games and just about
> > holding firm
> > Ayling is a conundrum - wisdom has it he is a better full back than Dallas
> > - he is not better at the going forward side of a FB’s game and his
> > defending seems to be less sure than previously, to me. Of course that may
> > be the lack of cover he is getting from Costa. While Dallas who is in his
> > best season for us, still seems lost in midfield.
> >
> > Costa again, seemed a luxury.
> > Philips - struggles when not given time
> > Klich & Alioski- get through the miles but often seem to misplace
> > passes…or shoot rashly
> > Harrison - tons of work again and some better crossing this time - again
> > his last 10 games have been about his best for us
> > Bamford - I like him - he works his bollocks off - yes a few more goals
> > would be nice but I think he is creating the gaps for others to exploit -
> > he gives us a shape and purpose
> >
> > Eddie came on for Bamford - against many people’s wishes by the sounds of
> > it but to be fair he was direct and fast and made a difference.
> >
> > This draw felt way better than the Cardiff draw…funny that.
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > > On 27 Dec 2019, at 10:23, nat...@sky.com wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > is it a blip, a hiccough or a full on collapse ? Leds are falling apart
> > againWas it 2 points dropped or one point gained ?Have the crowd turned a
> > bit on Bielsa or was it just the decision to take off Bamford that brought
> > the boos ?Ironically most fans wanted Dallas to be the man subbed and yet
> > he turned into our saviour
> > > The Boxing Day fixture is the one I always look at first because there
> > are no trains, so over the years I have misssed one (Chelsea 4 1) , got a
> > coach to one and left 25 mins early to get home (Graysons first game in
> > charge) Got Rob wood ex lister out of his voluntary Bates inspired exile
> > (Coventry ?) and then last season got my daughter in law to sit outside
> > McDonalds whilst we wathced the bet 5 minutes of the season (Blackburn)This
> > year we found a Manchester based Leeds fan to take us - only snag he set
> > off a speed camera so we had all the 3 pts in the bag already and today is
> > a real 6 pointer jokes. A visit to the Drysalters put us back in the
> > Christmas mood, a mood that did not last long
> > > If any team has got the measurre of us this season it is Preston - up
> > yours Swansea and Fulham managers your 'plans' only worked due to a missed
> > penatly and a ridiculous one - Preston know how to stop us playing and then
> > shithouse their way to a point or two.
> > > For me they are this seasons Birmingham against us . a team that
> > prevented us playing and caught us out, so at least we have 2 points v
> > Preston as opposed to the two defeats v Brum last time
> > > We started poorly as they denied us time and space, we all new they
> > 

[LU] Cardiff

[Nick Allen]

That was absolutely mad, no idea where their goals came from. But don’t panic...

And some dreadful refereeing...we lost out on lots of small stuff but gained a 
penalty and sending off. Go figure.

One of those weekends. 

Nick

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Re: [LU] blacburn

[Nick Allen]

Only thing to add to that Dave was that the corner for their goal was 
excellent...and if Kalvin keeps taking our corners in the manner he was 
yesterday then it won’t be long before we’re scoring from them as well.

Roberts or White MOTM.

Nick

> On 10 Nov 2019, at 09:17, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> Another home game and another win , 4 on the bounce now, and this result 
> coupled with QPR last week makes the two away draws good results, 8 pts from 
> 4 games.
>  Once again we were the better side and once again we failed to really 
> capitilise on it, albeit it did look at one stage as if this was the game 
> when we were going to hand out the drubbing we have been expecting all 
> season.  
> We started slowly but they had nothing to offer really and it was no great 
> surprise that we went ahead. A lovely chipped ball by the , once again very 
> impressive, Roberts fooled their defence and as Ayling went after the ball he 
> was taken out , a definite penatly.  On the train my lad and I had been 
> discussing who should take any penalty we got today, he wanted Kilch to have 
> another go, I said Bamford should take it if he felt confident enough - a pen 
> is almost a free goal for a striker and Bamford needed a goal. The downside 
> of that of course would be if he missed, what would the crowd's reaction be ? 
> Those at the games have been very much behind him, appreciating all his 
> effort and what he brings to the team. the twitter etc fans only look at his 
> very poor scoring record. Would a miss change those dynamics inside ER and 
> what about the affect on Pat himself? Anyway no need to worry, he stepped up 
> and sent the keeper the wrong way and stroked it home - there is still 
> someting not quite correct when you see a left footed player take a penalty.  
> So 1 up and as in all previous games the general feeling was we need another. 
> well lo and behold we got one, and very soon after and what a goal. A 
> brilliant cross field pass by the Yorkshire Pirlo was brilliantly controlled 
> by Bamford and rolled with perfect timing and weight into the path of 
> Harrison, who continured his own great run (2 goals in 2 and 5 or 6 asssists 
> in 5 or 6 games) and he passed it into the net via the post.
>  Great, game over, lets enjoy it all now and get a few more goals. Well that 
> did not happen as we let them get one back almost immediatley.  Again pre 
> match we had been talking and sayng how odd it was that our defence was, 
> statistically the best in the top 6 divisions, and how that did not feel like 
> the case. We agreed that we were still vulnerable at corners but even then it 
> had been scruffy scrambles not straight free headers that had cost us. Well 
> yesterday was a straight free header - lad ran in unmarked on the pentaly 
> spot and headed home with power. So we then had to spend the next 50 or so 
> minutes only one goal up, hoping against hope that if we didnt get the next 
> goal we would at least not concede.
>  The second half passed wtihout much incident, or none that I recall (the 
> extra half time pint not good for my memory ) Bamford shot wide, Roberts shot 
> at the keeper, Harrison flashed a shot cum cross just wide of the post as 
> Bamford could not quite reach it. Perhaps the best chance fell to Harrison 
> but for once, probably the best player in the League for first touch control, 
> took his eye off the ball and the chance went begging. Berra came on for the 
> injured Cooper and blasted a tackle / interception into the top tier of the 
> West Stand. The huge crowd, we even had some of the away seats again, was 
> very quiet as we ground out the result. So all in all whilst we do not have 
> the exceitemnt and verve of last season we do seem have better game 
> management. Costa continues to improve, Roberts showed us what we have been 
> missing, and Ben White showed why he will get 50 England caps. So 2 weeks off 
> now, time to get Cooper fit and hopefully time for Forshaw, Alioski, Pablo, 
> Shackleton and of course Eddie to get fit and give Bielsa some real seletcion 
> head aches. Whne we come back we have the chance wiht the games we have 
> coming up to pile on a few points and join maybe West Brom in getting away 
> from the packDave
> 
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Re: [LU] QPR

[Nick Allen]

Agree with that. I think if we can keep Roberts fit (and just keep him) that he 
will be the difference this year, some of his passing shows he is thinking way 
ahead of anyone else - the first five yards being in the head and all that.

Nick

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> On 2 Nov 2019, at 18:12, Richard walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Overall I thought that was a really good performance. The whole game was fast 
> paced as QPR tried to play like us from the back but just weren’t as 
> effective and despite looking good going forward at times they didn’t cause 
> us any problems. I think Eze is a top player though. We had to foul him 
> continuously to stop him at times.
> 
> It was a great team performance with nobody having a bad game. Yes there were 
> many misplaced passes and a few bad misses (Klich volley unmarked in the box 
> and Bamford one on one , good defensive tackle that from their guy).
> 
> I thought Cooper, White and Ayling were terrific at the back and Harrison 
> playing as a left back got a goal and did lots of good work.
> 
> My scores would be
> 
> Casilla - 7. Nothing to do, flapped terribly at one cross.
> 
> Ayling - 8. Very good defensively and contributed going forward.
> 
> Cooper - 9. Didn’t put a foot wrong. First to every ball and challenge.
> 
> White - 9. He’s not put a foot wrong all season. Pontus who ?
> 
> Harrison - 7. Did well in different position. A bit lucky with the goal.
> 
> Philips - 7. Lots of good work, some decent deliveries on the other hand a 
> shit free kick and I thought at times he looked a bit flat footed against 
> pace in midfield. 
> 
> Klich - 7. Busy, energetic, good link up play. Should have scored. If only he 
> could get a bit of confidence back in front of goal.
> 
> Costa - 6.5 If you think about it , he didn’t do anything that really hurt 
> the opposition but he was busy, got on the ball, moved around, ran back and 
> covered. I’m hoping there’s more to come from him.
> 
> Roberts - 9. My MOTM. Intelligent player, great control, sees an early pass 
> and always has time of the ball which is the sign of a confident player. His 
> goal said it all. Most would have smashed it but he passed it into the next 
> from 12 yards. Clever goal. He could/ should have had a hat trick but overall 
> I thought he was the main reason that we looked slicker and less predictable 
> today. 
> 
> Dallas - 8. Thankfully he didn’t get switched to left back. I thought he was 
> impressive in midfield. Lots of good touches , good runs, link up play and 
> defensive duties. In this team, especially today, everyone was playing 
> everywhere moving forward and backwards together. I couldn’t tell you where a 
> Dallas was playing because he was everywhere.
> 
> Bamford - 7. Listening to the radio Leeds phone in after the game where it 
> was 50-50 between fans who thought Bamford wasted chances, never looked like 
> scoring and has now hasn’t scored in the last 10 and should be replaced 
> versus the fans who thought he worked his bollox off, linked up well, ran 
> back and defended when required and was unlucky in front of goal especially 
> with his disallowed header. I think the latter.. I thought without Eddie 
> breathing down his neck from the bench he knew he would be playing the full 
> game and overall I thought his performance was much improved. I still think 
> Eddie is too good to be on the bench but on this performance Bamford does not 
> deserve to be dropped.
> 
> Subs:
> 
> Hernandez - jeez he was awful. His freekick was terrible.
> Davis - what a great little player this lad could be. Made a real impact.
> 
> Top, top , top of the league. Pub and fireworks now. Have a great weekend.
> 
> 
>> On 2 Nov 2019, at 15:58, Richard walker via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’m not at the game today (long story) but I’m watching on the internet. 
>> Good game, fast flowing and I thought for the first 30 mins QPR have played 
>> some of the best football I’ve seen this season. Eze looks a class above but 
>> he’s running out of steam and blatantly took a dive to take a 3 min rest to 
>> recover.
>> 
>> I think we’re playing a very attacking formation and Roberts is definitely 
>> giving us something extra in the no 10 shirt. Should have had more. Bamford 
>> has missed a couple and the final ball could have been better. This game is 
>> not over because they have some dangerous players but if we can get a 2nd 
>> early on that should do it.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [LU] 1-0

[Nick Allen]

I thought swapping Bamford for Eddie showed a real problem yesterday; the team 
isn’t set up to play how Eddie needs us to play with him as centre forward. 
There was a huge gap between him and the others, the ball didn’t stick when we 
got it moved up there hence it fell back on midfield and we were overrun (or as 
much as we are ever overrun these days). Plus, his one major break he should 
have had enough awareness to square the ball across the box where Alioski or 
Harrison was unmarked, rather than shooting from a long way out and an 
improbable angle. Eddie may work alongside Bamford, or when we are chucking 
everything at the last 10 minutes, but if he is to be lone striker for 
prolonged periods we need to change how the rest are set up.

Bamford for his part, played well enough, missed a decent chance, missed 
another when offside (apparently) and laid a sweet one back into the path of 
Costa who should have scored.

I think in the end Bielsa wants Bamford at the top, with Roberts in the number 
10 behind him, linking midfield and Eddie as an impact sub.

Thought Costa was again ineffective yesterday, Clarke must be seriously tossing 
it off in training...and Harrison was Harrison, good runs, good energy, naff 
all end product. That said, he was sharp to nick the ball for the goal.

Dallas isn’t a midfielder and Alioski isn’t much more of a midfielder. Douglas 
doesn’t seem to be much of anything. White was excellent, and Berardi was 
steady. 

Phillips or White was probably our MOTM, although Kiko did the things he needed 
to do, without much fuss.

Still, second eh?
Nick


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> On 19 Oct 2019, at 18:29, Simon McNally  wrote:
> 
> Thought we were poor overall today.
> Bamford missed a good chance first half and the keeper made a good save to 
> deny Dallas.
> Second half with Eddie on we didn’t create much at all. He missed a harder 
> chance than Bamford’s and the goal came from Harrison dispossessing their 
> defender and Kalvin’s finish seemed to go through the keeper.
> Costa wasn’t great, White was excellent and I thought Dallas played well.
> Harrison still can’t cross and I was surprised when he took Klich off for 
> Roberts- we seemed to get overrun in midfield after that.
> Berardi did ok. I think he was helped by playing in a 3 with White and Ayling 
> and made some good passes in the first half. Some poor ones late on but he 
> wasn’t on his own in that.
> 
> S
> 
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> 
>> On 19 Oct 2019, at 17:04, Richard Naef  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Abroad in the back of beyond, so v poor audio.
>> 
>> Great win, were we any better with Eddie on and how did Berra do?
>> 
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Re: [LU] LU leeds Derby

[Nick Allen]

The bit I don’t get is, if MB has coached the players to be excellent in all 
other parts of the field, where is the coaching for finishing? (not to mention 
penalties).

> On 21 Sep 2019, at 16:31, Richard Naef  
> wrote:
> 
> Very True, but the best bit was the first 60 mins.
> 
> Sent from my Mobile.
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> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of JONATHAN WYNNE 
> via Leedslist 
> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 3:04:08 PM
> To: Nicholas Armit ; ni...@sykesonline.com 
> ; leedslist@gn.apc.org 
> Subject: Re: [LU] LU leeds Derby
> 
> Worst thing about it was the crushing inevitability of their equaliser.
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> 
> On Saturday, September 21, 2019, 2:58 pm, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
>  wrote:
> 
> Really dont know what to say after that game. Astonishing.
> Nick
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> 
> On Saturday, September 21, 2019, 9:49 AM, ni...@sykesonline.com wrote:
> 
> Certainly at home.  I was saying the same thing to my lad in the middle of 
> the first half.
> 
>> Seems obvious to me
>> Bamford and Eddie together ??
>> 
>> Best regards,Scott.
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Re: [LU] Non LU: Stop Adolf Johnson

[Nick Allen]

Seconded...this is taking back control to the times when feudal lords ran the 
show.

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> On 28 Aug 2019, at 16:01, Robert Heath  wrote:
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> *The Leeds for Europe group is planning a protest in the city’s City Square
> for Thursday evening at 5.30pm.*
> 
> (Europe may be thinking a bit too far ahead, but "Leeds for the Premier
> League" would be a good start!)
> 
> Seriously..we must all act now to save democracy.yes, even
> you Rich Walker!
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Re: [LU] Shooting.

[Nick Allen]

Wasn’t Pablo’s in the first game outside the box?

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> On 25 Aug 2019, at 19:04, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
> 
> I’m glad Marcello decided to listen to me on this :-) At the very least it 
> will occasionally drag defenders out to try and block, at which point there 
> will be more scope to revert to plan a and walk it in! Simple.
> 
> There are times when Dallas looks like a very decent footballer, something 
> I’d have struggled to say 3/4 years back. His goal, from start to finish, 
> oozed class!
> 
>> On 25 Aug 2019, at 15:07, Richard Naef  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Instead of noodling around with the ball and trying to walk it in, looks 
>> like everyone has been told to have a go from outside the box.  Zero gone in 
>> yet, but there'll be some beauties when they do.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [LU] Question

[Nick Allen]

Pablo is a midfield player. His primary task is not goal scoring. Nevertheless 
he has carried us to victory in several recent games. 

He is our player of the season by a fucking mile. 

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> On 28 Apr 2019, at 15:37,   
> wrote:
> 
> It has been a season and a half, certainly.  But today's game was (apart from 
> the 5 minutes of mayhem) exactly like all the others in recent times - we are 
> toothless in front of goal to a degree that would be hilarious if it wasn't 
> us.
> 
> I think that the problem boils down to a simple lack of vision in our mostly 
> average players.  Once Saiz left and Alioski and Hernandez mystifyingly lost 
> their vision and ability to pass, we have been left with nothing but a "pass 
> to a white shirt" mentality, which sure gives us a lot of possession, but 
> achieves nothing in front of goal.
> 
> I don't know what's happened to Pablo - but at the end of the day he's 34 and 
> since his early days at Valencia he hasn't exactly excelled.  So maybe the 
> chink in his armour is not being able to handle pressure like we've seen at 
> the end of this season? 
> 
> Nigel 
> (the Dublin one)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Mark Pilling
> Sent: 28 April 2019 15:19
> To: leedslist 
> Subject: [LU] Question
> 
> What a season so far!
> 
> Adore Bielsa, what he's done with our mediocre bunch! The football we've 
> played. His philosophies, behaviour and manner.
> 
> Love the attitude of the players, willing to learn, to work, to will and 
> believe.
> 
> Love that I've been able to watch every game on my TV.
> 
> My question.why are we so 'inefficient' and how can we become more 
> efficient?
> 
> Is it the quality of the front men?
> Or the service they are getting?
> Are we too good? (so many teams just parking the bus) Are we too predictable?
> Don't we know how to unpick a packed defence?
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[LU] Context

[Nick Allen]

This has been our best season for something like 15 years.

Nick

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[LU] Monte Carlo or bust

[Nick Allen]

What worries me are the rumours I’ve been hearing in the last two months that 
our chairman basically gambled the house on this year...

I have enjoyed this seasons football more than any since O’Learys days but to 
drop back off again would be soul destroying.

Nick

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Re: [LU] Sky B@@@@@s

[Nick Allen]

Oh FFS. We should be on a proper 3pm Saturday for this. Fuck Murdoch’s money.

> On 5 Apr 2019, at 19:48, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> It’s ridiculous Dave. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 5 Apr 2019, at 14:08, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>> 
>> Now changed Villa game to Sunday 28th at 12 noon !Read that that was 22 
>> games on sky this season (not counting the red button midweek games !) yet 
>> we have made around £750k from them in extra TV money
>> Hate Sunday noon kick offs - kills the atmosphere, and this one even worse 
>> since I am supposed to be taking part in St Georges Day parade with my cubs 
>> It may put a few off and make tickets a little bit easier to get for those 
>> on here who need one but still crap
>> Dave
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[LU] Today

[Nick Allen]

Mullered them. Hard to believe that we managed to lose that. But the 
performance was good. If we can keep that level of performance up we will go 
up. I would not want to watch them each week.

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[LU] 4-0

[Nick Allen]

Still know best, don’t we.

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Re: [LU] On the other hand.

[Nick Allen]

However, Bielsa is revered as a tactical genius based on decades of actual work 
in the game...whereas we are a bunch of gobshites who often watch some of a 
game through beer goggles. Let’s just all stop pretending we know better, 
because we don’t.

> On 27 Feb 2019, at 16:36, seanscribe--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> I think we are seeing that some of Bielsa's strengths are double edged, in 
> that they also contain the seeds of our ultimate demise. To wit:
> - His loyalty to his core group of players. This doubtless results in 
> reciprocal loyalty on the players' part and motivates them to run through a 
> proverbial brick wall for him, but it seems to blind him to the need for 
> change - and the availability of other options - when members of that core 
> group show clear signs of mental fatigue and loss of form (indeed, it just 
> serves to reinforce the mental and physical fatigue). Just a few examples of 
> this are the failure to find a place in the team for Shackleton when Ayling's 
> form has been so poor recently; the insistence on restricting Jack Clarke to 
> second-half substitute appearances when he was already clearly the most 
> dangerous player in the squad; the failure to even find a place on the bench 
> for Edmondson when our team is clearly bereft of a consistent goalscorer in a 
> division in which goal difference is likely to be crucial.
> - His obsession with leaving no statistical and informational stone unturned 
> in his preparations. This led straight to Spygate. Of course it's ridiculous 
> that the League fined the club two hundred thousand quid for breaking a rule 
> that doesn't exist, but any Leeds supporter over the age of 15 could have 
> told Bielsa that if he sent a Leeds employee to observe other clubs' 
> training, and that employee was discovered to be doing that, our enemies 
> would pounce on it and use it as a stick with which to beat us. This was 
> dumb. It created a massive distraction at a crucial time of the season and 
> cost the club a not inconsequential sum of money.
> - His openness and honesty, when combined with his insistence on sticking to 
> only one style of play. By needlessly announcing his first XI for every game 
> two days before kickoff, he gives the opposition manager 48 hours in which to 
> plan how to counter us. Is it any surprise that as the season has gone on, 
> more and more managers have figured this out? This is an absolute own goal. 
> If I were Radz I would have told him to stop doing it months ago.
> - His insistence on working with a small squad. Bielsa's previous experience 
> in Europe was managing sides in La Liga and Ligue 1. Both of those leagues 
> have a 38-game season (in slightly warmer climes). The Championship has a 
> 46-game season, much of it played through in the (mostly north) English 
> winter. In addition there are two knockout cups and preseason games, meaning 
> the first team is playing more than 50 games per season. For several players 
> (Jansson, Klich, Douglas, Peacock-Farrell, Dallas, etc) there is the added 
> burden of playing in (and traveling to and from) regular international games. 
> The Championship - and English football in general - generally involves a 
> much more physically demanding style of play than is the case in the Spanish 
> and French top tiers. In addition, Rob Price himself acknowledged recently 
> that players at the peak of fitness that Bielsa favors are more likely to get 
> injured. Plus, we are Leeds United - we have injury crises that last years 
> (cf: The O'Leary years). This all seems to argue for a larger squad than 
> might be the case in Bilbao or Marseille. But not only did Bielsa insist on 
> keeping the squad small, as players left the squad (Pearce, Saiz, etc.) they 
> weren't replaced. I understand that it's easier to build camaraderie with a 
> smaller squad, but are Bielsa's motivational skills so limited that he'd be 
> unable to handle a squad with a few more players in it (let's say a creative 
> midfielder, a dominant central midfielder and a proven, uninjured 
> goalscorer)? I find that hard to believe. The results of all this are now 
> clear for all to see.
> If Bielsa (or Corberan, if Bielsa leaves, as seems likely) could find a way 
> to bend a little on the above points, and if Radz can find the cash to buy 
> more quality while retaining players like Clarke and Jansson, then I'd say we 
> have a good chance of going up next season. Otherwise, it'll be more of the 
> same.
> Cheers!
> Sean
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: leedslist 
> Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2019 10:17 am
> Subject: Re: [LU] On the other hand.
> 
> It wasn't ONLY a "bummer of a result" Our lack of cutting edge is becoming
> more and more evident. For all our possession, undoubted fitness, and
> willingness, teams know they can let us have the ball for long periods in
> the safe knowledge we're unlikely to find an end result. There was only one
> well 

[LU] 2-1

[Nick Allen]

That’ll do.

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Re: [LU] Norwich

[Nick Allen]

My mistake, their keeper got a yellow...I meant why not a red, of course...

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> On 3 Feb 2019, at 09:24, Nick Allen  wrote:
> 
> Norwich were excellent, had a plan, the players and commitment to carry it 
> out and the ability to improvise when needed...they did to us what I think we 
> have done to others this season.
> 
> Points:
> - I watch from the Kop, we saw the ball down our end 3 times in the first 
> half, the two goals and a close call. The rest of the half was played around 
> the Norwich box.
> 
> - 2 goals were deflections, and the other an almighty mix up in 
> defence/midfield with us chucking away the chance to clear a couple of times
> 
> - what did happen when the keeper clattered Roberts going in for goal. A free 
> kick was given, so a foul was seen, how come it wasn’t at least a yellow card?
> 
> - there did seem to be a good call for a penalty when Pontus went down
> 
> - Having gone in 2 up, Norwich worked their bollocks off to close us down, 
> chase tackle and Harry everything, for the opening 15 minutes of the second 
> half. And the doubled up on Clarke every time he got near the ball
> 
> - Aylings inability to pass is becoming a real liability...we need to think 
> about a Shackleton Clarke right side.
> 
> - teams are happy to let Pontus and Cooper pass it between them, and rely on 
> the fact that their distribution is patchy, that is where Philips comes in, 
> we should probably move to a W formation with those three and two wing backs
> 
> - Bamford, 2 chances, 1 tipped onto the bar, 1 goal
> 
> - judging by Douglas’s second half, Alioski is a better bet there...
> 
> - yes a big crowd and a good noise at the start, but yelling xenophobic abuse 
> at our Spanish keeper after 25 minutes and then half the ground emptying on 
> their third goal shows we are still an attraction for part timers and 
> arseholes
> 
> There’s work to do and a few tweaks to make but I think we still have a lot 
> of hope.
> 
> Nick
> 
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[LU] Norwich

[Nick Allen]

Norwich were excellent, had a plan, the players and commitment to carry it out 
and the ability to improvise when needed...they did to us what I think we have 
done to others this season.

Points:
- I watch from the Kop, we saw the ball down our end 3 times in the first half, 
the two goals and a close call. The rest of the half was played around the 
Norwich box.

- 2 goals were deflections, and the other an almighty mix up in 
defence/midfield with us chucking away the chance to clear a couple of times

- what did happen when the keeper clattered Roberts going in for goal. A free 
kick was given, so a foul was seen, how come it wasn’t at least a yellow card?

- there did seem to be a good call for a penalty when Pontus went down

- Having gone in 2 up, Norwich worked their bollocks off to close us down, 
chase tackle and Harry everything, for the opening 15 minutes of the second 
half. And the doubled up on Clarke every time he got near the ball

- Aylings inability to pass is becoming a real liability...we need to think 
about a Shackleton Clarke right side.

- teams are happy to let Pontus and Cooper pass it between them, and rely on 
the fact that their distribution is patchy, that is where Philips comes in, we 
should probably move to a W formation with those three and two wing backs

- Bamford, 2 chances, 1 tipped onto the bar, 1 goal

- judging by Douglas’s second half, Alioski is a better bet there...

- yes a big crowd and a good noise at the start, but yelling xenophobic abuse 
at our Spanish keeper after 25 minutes and then half the ground emptying on 
their third goal shows we are still an attraction for part timers and arseholes

There’s work to do and a few tweaks to make but I think we still have a lot of 
hope.

Nick

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Re: [LU] 2-0 and checking out the opposition

[Nick Allen]

That was stunningly good. Derby weren’t playing the same game.

> On 11 Jan 2019, at 22:17, Mark Pilling  wrote:
> 
> wonderful performance all round.
> 
> am i too leeds? or is all this outcry about spying a bit ott?
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Re: [LU] Forest and January signings

[Nick Allen]

Presumably he also gets credit for the 10 or so clean sheets in the league...if 
we’re judging a keeper and not the team, on this...that then gives us between 
10-30 points he has achieved for us...by your measures! Puts him on a par with 
Roofe and Pablo...

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> On 2 Jan 2019, at 16:49, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Leicester want to loan him to us?
>On Wednesday, January 2, 2019, 11:17:56 AM EST, Simon McNally 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Just seen a clip on Twitter of all the goals we’ve conceded this season and 
> at least half of them are his fault. I’ve got nothing against the lad, I’m 
> always pleased to see lads from the academy break into the team, but he’s 
> just not good enough.
> Interesting that WBA might lose Barnes as Leicester want him back and Aston 
> Villa might lose Abrahams because Wolves have had a bid accepted for him.
> 
> S
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On 2 Jan 2019, at 15:24, Roger Goodair via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>   Out of lurkdom for five minutes to show my age and frustration.
>>   I'm with Simon M 100% and Rich with regard to the lack of a plan B.
>>   We need to sign a new a new keeper NOW. This young man (he's not a
>>   young kid so let's stop making excuses for him) is going to cost us
>>   promotion. A good keeper gains you as many points as a good striker and
>>   BPF has already cost us many points this season. AGE ALERT - Sprake was
>>   in the team at 16 and was a better keeper than BPF with one arm tied
>>   behind his back!! As Simon M also said we need another centre back and
>>   another striker - even if Bamford does come back very shortly. I note
>>   that Eddie Howe is about to release Defoe - he'll do for me on a short
>>   term contract.
>>   I know it appears to be very churlish of me to criticise MB, but I'm
>>   gonna do anyway - absolutely no plan B other than to bring Clarke on,
>>   who to be fair changed the game yet again for 20 minutes. Down to 10
>>   men and we've worked our way back in to the game and even got a 2-1
>>   lead. Call me old fashioned if you must (and I know you will!)  but
>>   what's wrong with closing a game out these days? Make some subs and
>>   stick 4 or 5 at the back and kill the game against a shite forest team.
>>   Anyone remember 0-0 at the bridge when we only had 9 men?!  AGE ALERT -
>>   The Don will be turning in his casket at throwing 3 points away there
>>   yesterday.
>>   Back to lurkdom in pattaya.
>>   Cheers  - Rogerre
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[LU] Hellfire

[Nick Allen]

But ER was bouncing for those last 5 minutes...


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Re: [LU] Reading

[Nick Allen]

Agree Dave, oddly thought we looked knackered after 75 minutes.

> On 28 Nov 2018, at 07:36, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> A lot of similarities between this game and Bristol on Saturday - both had 
> instantly forgettable first halves, followed by much better second half 
> performances by us and both 3 points and clean sheetsReading was both a game 
> of two halves and a game of two subs - the introduction of Siaz and Clarke 
> really turning this game from a turgid bore fest into a sparkling night of 
> entertaiment (bit of hyperbole there but not too much)
> We got inside the ground just in time to hear a real cheer and an '' from 
> the crowd - I was told Douglas , not for the first time, had missed with an 
> easy header. Had that gone in it may have been a different game, as it was 
> Reading for the most part parked the bus and had all 11 man back defending 
> for most of the time with the odd worrying foray into our area where they 
> only created a few half chances
> For us, Phillips was a make shift centre half - he did well enough but we did 
> miss some of his passing further up the pitch, and Baker after a good 5 
> minute cameo on Saturday showed why he has barely had a game this season as 
> he really struggled to make any impact
> Alioski with whom lots of fans are losing patience was also anonymous and his 
> most memorable moment was his attempt to change the 55 (or whatever it is 
> now) games without a penalty with a dive that was so obvious we could tell 
> from the Revie Stand and the ref quite rightly booked him
> Bielsa knew things were not right and sent on the mercurial wizard Samu Saiz, 
> I love watching him play, and Jack Clarke a player with immense potential, 
> and it almost paid dividends in seconds as Clarke beat his man and put a 
> lovely ball across to Samu whose shot was going to ripple in the back of the 
> net but got deflected wide instead
> With these two on the pitch we looked a totally different team and uppped 
> both our passion and work rate as Saiz pulled the strings and Clarke had the 
> beating of the full back
> We had a few chances and then a lovely cross field pass came out to the left 
> where Douglas and Pablo combined - Pablo with a great cheeky back heel and 
> then Douglas' cross was met by Roofe who could not quite bundle it in, but 
> the ball rebounded off the keeper to Dallas who poked home from a few yards 
> out 1-0 and game over (we hoped)
> We could have had a second when Roofe did everything right with his downwards 
> header back across the keeper but the keeper made a top class save - real 
> quality
> We huffed and puffed a bit after that but never looked like getting the 
> second that would ahve put it to bed, instead a rare attack from Reading and 
> as the winger tried to get his cross in Douglas tangled with him - the ref of 
> course pointed to the spot - a silly place and an awful time to give away a 
> penalty
> However BPF restored to the line up after injury (and sort of being dropped) 
> made a great save low to his right and tipped it round the post - tremendous 
> save from a keeper under pressure, who to be fair had a good night. He showed 
> he is good enough at this level but needs to cut out the mistakes. Some have 
> said he has cost us points this season, well he saved us 2 last night
> A real headache going forward for Bielsa now - Saiz and Clarke both showed 
> what we are lacking at times with guile from one and directness from the 
> other, and both need to get more time on the pitch
> So happy enough - not great performances but two home wins in 4 days - 
> something we have failed to do in the past against two lower table teams
> Points dropped by Norwich and Boro added to my satisfaction on the night - 
> onwards and upwards
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Bilesa from Guardian - brilliant (if true)

[Nick Allen]

That will do. Best team by miles.

> On 5 Aug 2018, at 19:16, Nigel Sykes  wrote:
> 
> I saw a photo earlier this week that suggested it was significantly narrower?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Nigel
> 
> 
> (the Dublin one)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Get Outlook for Android
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> 
> 
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> 
> On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 6:34 PM +0100, "Jim Moran"  wrote:
> 
> 
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> 
> This email aged fairly badly mate.
> 
> On 5 August 2018 at 15:46, {broken-address} Richard Walker <
> richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:
> 
>> Roofe starts ahead of Bamford and Roberts. No Pontus.
>> 
>> Team is weaker than last year
>> 
>> Lots of pre season optimism in the pub but how long will it last. That
>> defence looks v. Weak
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 4 Aug 2018, at 12:27, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Marcelo Bielsa had a question. The new Leeds manager wanted to find out
>> how hard the average supporter had to work to pay for a ticket to watch the
>> team. How many hours did he or she have to put in? It was unclear what kind
>> of calculations went into the answer but one was provided. It would be
>> about three.So the Argentinian called his players together and he told them
>> that, for the next three hours, they would be picking up litter from around
>> the club’s Thorp Arch training ground. He wanted them to learn a lesson; to
>> appreciate how the fans laboured to fulfil their passion.t was classic
>> Bielsa on many levels, taking in his empathy for the worker, his fixation
>> with discipline and team spirit and, above all, the quirkiness and
>> unpredictability that has led to the “El Loco” nickname. The 63-year-old is
>> not crazy. It is just that his obsessive nature, ferocious intensity,
>> eccentricities and refusal to adhere to convention can make him seem that
>> way.When Bielsa strode into Leeds on 15 June to replace Paul Heckingbottom,
>> it quickly became clear the club would never be the same again. The stories
>> of Bielsa’s attention to detail are already legendary. He runs his
>> forefinger across various surfaces at Thorp Arch to check for dust,
>> invariably being appalled at what he finds, while he once inquired why
>> there was a bootprint on a wall – about half a yard from the floor.It was
>> explained to him that, perhaps, it was the result of somebody leaning back
>> against it, with his or her foot up. “That shows the person is not
>> concentrated on their work! Unacceptable!” Bielsa exclaimed. Leeds have had
>> and do have bigger problems than the odd dirty mark but this is Bielsa, the
>> perfectionist, and this is how he intends to drag the club up by their
>> bootlaces: little bit by little bit.
>>> Full article - https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/04/leeds-
>> united-marcelo-bielsa
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Re: [LU] Sunderland

[Nick Allen]

Good report Dave, despite the meds...

Vieira hit the post, Hernandez’s shot shortly after hit the keeper’s knee 
before skidding across the goal and Alioski’s diving header hit the bar...we 
came close, but not close enough. My mate thinks Hegginbottom should be 
sacked...

Nick

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> On 7 Apr 2018, at 20:50, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> Hurrah, only two home games to go - only (half) joking, I love going to ER 
> and the match day experience, however poor the football is at timesI was at 
> the bar getting the beers in when a lad in front of me got the team news on 
> his phone , a debut for Paudie O'Connor , fair enough we agreed with Cooper, 
> Pennington and Shaunessey all out injured. It was a case of pick him or put 
> Berardi at centre back and give Pearce another run out - difficult to argue  
> either way. Ekuban was dropped following his failures to score when one on 
> one in the last two games. Then he pointed out a lad called Callum Nicell was 
> on the bench. No-one had a clue who he was , of all the u23s who are close to 
> a call up , this was a new one on us all - Oriel Rey, fair enough, Ousim 
> Bouy, at least we have heard of him, Madger Gomes , OK crap but he has played 
> before, or even Jack Clarke or Sam Dalby etc but Callum Nicell , no idea, and 
> no reason as to why he got the nod. 
> Whatever we made our way to the ground along with 30, ooo other fans, OK a 
> drop of 5,000 from Bolton game but this lot all had to pay for their ticketSo 
> at home v the joint bottom team in the League , a team who have won 6 games 
> out of 40 and have a minus 29 goal difference. Fair enough they were playing 
> to stay up and we were playing because we have a few more games before we go 
> on our holidays - what could go wrong ?In some ways it was not a bad game, 
> insomuch as there was lots of incident and chances at both ends - a good game 
> for the neutral if you could be bothered and did not care about skill , class 
> or football abilityIt is hard to recall which team did what and when (I had a 
> lot to drink and a lot of  meds, more so than normal) but they hit the post 
> and the bar, we (Saiz) hit the bar with a free kick, and both keepers made a 
> few decent saves and both team missed chances, so in a way this could have 
> been 3 or 4 each. 
> We started brightly and it was soon clear why they are being relegated - 
> Vieira (getting back on form) went close with a decent shot and then Pablo 
> sent a great shot whizzing past the far post .At the other end BPF, looking 
> more and more like a decent keeper made a couple of saves and got lucky when 
> their lad missed a free headerAt half time we went off to a reasonable 
> reception and we all thought it was only a matter of time. I also told those 
> near me that the first goal would be the key - whoever got it would winI have 
> no idea what was said at half time, probably 'keep going and it will come' 
> from Heck - 'they are shit, get attacking them' from Coleman. Whatever the 
> case they started the half as if they meant business and got us on the back 
> foot, then after less than 5 minutes a cross into the box, their stiker made 
> a run in front of the defenders and lashed it high into the net from a tight 
> angle -a good finish and even though it meant BPF was beaten at his near post 
> , he had no chanceThis was the confidence boost they needed and we were 
> rocked 
> They had a couple more chances to put it beyond doubt but BPF stood tall and 
> made a couple of decent saves as we got out act together and Saiz and 
> Hernandez showed their classSaiz was part of a lovely move that ripped them 
> open but Saiz's shot was well saved. Then Saiz fed a great ball into Pablo 
> who took a touch, sent the defenders one way and placed it with style into 
> the corner - 1 1 
> A thunderous free kick that hit the bar from Saiz and a great cross that did 
> not quite get to Alioski stopped us getting the winner.Then as the clock was 
> ticking down and a draw was looking inevitable Berardi was nutmegged on the 
> half way line by the touchline, no way was the lad going to do that and get 
> past him as Berardi dived in. Ref thought it was worse than we did and went 
> for his red ( from my spot nothing like as bad as the foul on Lassaggo at 
> Fulham)That left us with a man short and with 5 minutes added on- we survived 
> but only just as BPF was called into action on a few occasions in this 5 mins 
> including one great tip over the bar, and so a game we should and could have 
> won (or lost) ended up with a draw, no use to them in their fight against 
> relegation and not much use to us with only 2 games leftON the plus side, 
> Pablo again showed class and is worth a new contract, Vieira is getting his 
> mojo back and will be a good player next season, BPF is looking like he may 
> just be good enough to be number 1 next season, Paudie O'Connor played well 
> enough to keep his place for 

Re: [LU] 5 nil

[Nick Allen]

I fucking loved that...only now in from the pub!

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> On 9 Sep 2017, at 16:58, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
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> It is going to get better. 
> This is both a team and a co;;ection of very good footballers. From top to 
> bottom we are the likely lads. 
> 
> Dr  Michael Benjamin, 
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> |-Original Message-
> |From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Nigel 
> Sykes
> |Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 6:57 PM
> |To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> |Subject: Re: [LU] 5 nil
> |
> |Best game in years!  Tremendous performance.  I think we have more players
> |who are comfortable on the ball than we've had since the early 70's!
> |
> |Nigel
> |(the Dublin one)
> |
> |-Original Message-
> |From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of John
> |Boocock
> |Sent: 09 September 2017 16:27
> |To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> |Subject: [LU] 5 nil
> |
> |Lasogga again 5 nil :-) everybody sing "Leeds Leeds falling apaart again"
> |
> |Sent from the North!
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Re: [LU] Fun whilst it lasted

[Nick Allen]

Whatever else happens, this will have been our most successful season and in 
the main, the most enjoyable in what...13 or 14 years. That's something in 
itself, but more importantly, something to build on.

4pts from the last 18 is a worry; that's not the sort of form you want going 
into play-offs, it's the sort of form that will pretty much ensure you don't 
get in the play offs.

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> On 22 Apr 2017, at 19:07, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sickening defeat and listening on Radio Leeds despite a lot of possession 
> their keeper has not had to make a save in 95 minutes of football and that is 
> disappointing for a team supposedly pushing for promotion against Burton 
> fucking Albion. 
> Overall, I think it's been a better season but I think there has been more 
> bad performances that good ones and I think some of the team are way short of 
> a play off team and I think our attitude and a much improved defence has 
> pulled us through. Can Monk build on this ? Not sure because he has been one 
> dimensional in his play and the one up front is not a tactic that should be 
> played ever week especially with a team selection like today. Chris Wood 
> needs good service and with Roofe and Doukara , who for me are nowhere near 
> what you would call wingers or providers we never had a fooking chance. It's 
> that obvious to me. Roofe is not good enough, he should go back to bagging 
> goals against Aldershot and Doukara whilst has more to offer cannot be asked 
> to play as a bloody left winger.  As for Wood, well yes for him he's had a 
> good season but I think his lack of pace and movement and ability to make 
> things happen will always limit us going forward. 
> So barring a miracle it's on to next season and the season ticket holders get 
> some brass back. How about that ? Any owner in history done that ? What a 
> bloke ! Coupled with the freeze on season ticket sales I don't think any fan 
> can complain they are not getting a good deal from the club. Although I 
> expect the 'Cellino Out' brigade to find their voices again in the last 
> week's of the season and pre-season. Where have they been ? They have been 
> very quiet recently. Wankers. 
> 
> 
> From: "nat...@sky.com" 
> To: Leeds List  
> Sent: Saturday, 22 April 2017, 17:09
> Subject: [LU] Fun whilst it lasted
> 
> Ok that defeat means that realistically (if not yet mathematically) certain 
> that we are coming 7th
> Yes, I am gutted like everyone else but it has been looking dodgy for a few 
> weeks yet.
> Overall it has been a good season even if we were just that bit short in the 
> end. It has been a season when we got a bit of pride back and fans came back 
> in droves.
> The question now is can we push on from here or will it be back to square one 
> ?
> Can we keep Monk and the big players - Wood, Bartley, Jansson, Vieira  etc or 
> will we lose them all to Prem clubs and be scrabbling around for players to 
> replace them ?
> Will all the fans who have returned in recent weeks, stick around and buy 
> Season tickets for next year (as they would have done if we had gone up)?
> Will Cellino make good on his 25% refund on this years STs or will he further 
> alienate the existing loyal fans ?
> Lots of question to be answered over the next few weeks - will this be the 
> springboard for a real push next time or just remembered in years to come as 
> 'so near, so far' ?
> Whatever, it has been a season when we regained some pride and for that, Gary 
> Monk and all the players I thank you.
> dave
> 
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[LU] Ehiogu

[Nick Allen]

Just heard that Ugo died in the early hours following his heart attack 
yesterday. He wasn't with Leeds long but he was quality. 43 years old I think, 
that's no age.

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[LU] Truly dreadful

[Nick Allen]

It was like one of those mass hypnosis things that leads to groups of people 
committing suicide...every single one of of our outfield players forgot how to 
play football today. Garbage.

Their goal: Pontus - he's a right laugh isn't he?  - goes off on a beckenbaur 
run, deep in their half and loses it, cos he's great at stopping and not much 
else - the rest of the team are having a laugh watching Pontus charging off 
upfield...and forget to defend, two passes, man through, bottom 
corner...winning goal. Bunch of fucking ball-watching amateurs...get em in 
tomorrow, Monk, basic drills...do the simple stuff, get some proper 
attitude...win the last three games. 

Fuck sake.

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Re: [LU] QPR

[Nick Allen]

The least eventful game of football I've seen in years. Bags of effort. Little 
sparkle...and then there is Sacko...wow, how quickly has he gone backwards...he 
barely seems in control of his own feet never mind anything else. Can someone 
unplug him from the mains and feed him a nice herb tea. 

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> On 11 Mar 2017, at 20:30, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> 
>  Goals - Leeds 0 QPR 0proper shots on target Leeds 0 QPR 0Chances Leeds 0 QPR 
> 0Exciting moves Leeds 0 QPR 0
> I have been watching us for 40 years and have been to over 1000 games in that 
> time and I doubt if I have seen a more pointless game, or one in which so 
> little happened.
> It really is one to forget and very quickly
> I suppose it is unfair to call it pointless - we did get a point, and one 
> that may even prove critical at the end of the season. One other thing that 
> may prove important was the booking for Ayling which means he misses 2 games 
> and that may or may not cost us a few points.
> We also had a definate penalty turned down when Wood was grabbed in the box 
> in the last half hour.
> Other than that it was poor fare for the 30k who turned up. 
> 
> Both teams tried and could not really be faulted for lack of effort, but the 
> feeling after 20mins was that this would be 0 0 at the end or that one team 
> would score and win 1 0.
> a clean sheet is always decent and Green did manage that on his 600th game, 
> but I doubt if any came any easier, as what shots they had either went wide 
> or were as dangerous as a back pass. We were even worse , with no penetration 
> or real chances / shots
> I do  not want to be too critical of them and they stuck to their task well, 
> it just never came off. Roofe, Pedraza, Hernandez the 3 behind Wood never 
> really got going and Sacko was even less productive. Wood did not put a foot 
> wrong, but had no chances and that sums it all up/
> In the past we would have lost this sort of game so we must be satisfied and 
> it is another point on our way (hopefully) to the play offs but we will need 
> to do better than this to ensure the season does not peter out.
> Fans were leaving with 10 minutes to go, and half of me thought how can you 
> leave a saturday 3pm game at 0 0 but the other half thought, fair enough you 
> will not miss anything
> As I said we should have had a penalty when we got a corner and Wood was 
> wrestled to the floor - it was clear and obvious from where I was that the 
> QPR player had him by the shirt but the officials missed it
> We need to be better next week for the later kick off v Brighton or we will 
> lose. There was no lack of effort , it just did not work
> Nothing else to say
> Dave
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[LU] Villa

[Nick Allen]

The first half wasn't good entertainment. It was attritional. Sometimes you've 
got to grind through those things. I don't think Villa will be any more happy 
with that half than we would be. Chances were scant...although Pontus should 
have buried that header.

Second half was much better...is that because we wore them down in the 
first...they did a lot of chasing and closing down. Glad for Roofe, lovely 
headed finish, that was all about the run between defenders and a cracking ball 
in from Doukara who had been somewhere between poor and anonymous for the 
previous 70 minutes. 

The second goal...what do you say about Sacko...mostly shit, quite fast 
(although he never got away from his full back yesterday) then he runs through 
like this, almost stumbles...should bury it, instead, squeezes it through the 
keepers legs...it might just have got over the line if no one else had got to 
it, but Wood had to make sure given a defender was closing in to clear. Fair 
play to Wood. 

Thought all the defence was solid, especially Ayling. Somebody - Monk - needs 
to have a word with Pontus, never mind the fannying about on the edge of his 
own box...that is bad enough, but centre halfs don't need to be picking up 
stupid yellow cards and I think he's has three in recent weeks. He's in danger 
of becoming a very naughty boy rather than a legend and he is a good defender 
who has brought material change to the team. 

Also thought Viera was good. He does have a few shaky moments in each game but 
he is getting more and more stuck in and influencing things. Still not 
convinced at all by Philips. 

3 good points. hard earned. Up to fourth. There's no one on this list that 
wouldn't have taken that for the first week of December, if we'd have been 
offered it in August.

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Re: [LU] Leeds 0 Newcastle 2

[Nick Allen]

We came damn close 3 times...

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> On 21 Nov 2016, at 10:44, {broken-address} John Lee 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't know what I was thinking, dreaming that we might actually score!!!
> 
>  From: Peter Castlehouse 
> To: '{broken-address} Richard Walker' 
> ; '{broken-address} Nicholas 
> Armit'  
> Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org; '{broken-address}' 
> 
> Sent: Monday, 21 November 2016, 5:10
> Subject: Re: [LU] Leeds 0 Newcastle 2
> 
> Nope, nobody predicted 0-2, but Richo and BruvvaLee both said by two goals,
> aka 1-3 and 2-4 respectively.
> The average score of the meagre 13 entries worked out to 1-1 (1.84 to 1.54
> actually), so we all blew it really :)
> Better luck next time folks, might do it for the Aston Villa game, just for
> more fun, but next time it will be best ale/beer choice
> 
> cheers
> Pete
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Monday, 21 November 2016 6:20 AM
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> 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Leeds 0 Newcastle 2
> 
> Did anyone get the score right ? I got the margin right (1-3) which must get
> me a few points.
> 
> Beef madras now, no CNP though. 
> 
>> On 20 Nov 2016, at 18:14, {broken-address} Nicholas Armit
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Playing i meant
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 1:12 PM, {broken-address} Nicholas Armit
>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> To be fair we won't be okaying Newcastle every week. They are obviously a
> cut above everyone else in this league.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 20, 2016, at 10:17 AM, {broken-address}
>  wrote:
 
 A goalie who can't catch; wide-men who can't cross; players who can't
> pass. Second best everywhere, and even with a bit more possession second
> half, never looked like bothering the scoreboard! Chastening! League
> position still healthy, but not much of a team! Some of Phillips' passing in
> particular was awful, as were many of his crosses. All that said, if Green
> hadn't cocked up when he did, we might have scrambled a draw? 
 
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> Gayle again 54 mins
> 
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[LU] Hmm

[Nick Allen]

Trip to Anfield then...

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Re: [LU] Could be a fun pre-season for our lot

[Nick Allen]

Only those of us who can't remember George W and his pops, Ronnie etcetera 
etcetera

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> 
> To think most of us couldn't imagine a worse president than N'Obama.
> 
> 
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> Obama approval ratings 49.5% to 46.5%  I'm guessing the 4% who didn't know
> were too busy trying to get t heir kid out of the Gorilla enclosure :)
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Re: [LU] Could be a fun pre season for our lot

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For me, the big thing about Monk as opposed to any other manager since we 
signed Grayson, is that it a signing looking to the future; all Cellino's 
previous appointments have been panicked (trying to halt a slide) or completely 
bonkers. What we all need now, including MC is to give him time. I think there 
is a statement of some intent in this appointment...he's young and learning.

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> From a pessimistic point of view your probably right your Majesty. But look
> at things optimistically and a Gary Monk as manager shouts out a statement
> of ambition that a Steve Evans never could.
> 
> Realistically? Well I think that a contributing factor to Monk's successful
> period at Swansea was the fact that the Swansea team played out of their
> skins for him - he was one of them, who was their respected captain before
> becoming their respected manager. Can anything similar happen at Leeds
> where the outside perception is that the manager (sorry, coach) is an
> isolated figure who will never have the full backing of the owner? I think
> that Gary Monk will have to manage, as all his predecessors, with one hand
> tied behind his back - let's just hope he's good enough to overcome that.
> 
> As for Cellino - the bloke may well be inept and not up to the job, but he
> surely can't do any more to prove that he wants a successful Leeds Utd. In
> the same way that we want him to support his manager, maybe we fans ought
> to support him a bit more. After all, he's not Bates or GFH or any of the
> no-hopers that have been associated with Leeds over the past years.
> 
> Damian
> 
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) <
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> 
>> Am I in the minority in thinking that Fat Bastard would have been a better
>> bet than Monkfish?
>> Seems to me it was a case of nobody wanting the job, and Leeds being the
>> only club who would give Monk a job.  The last resort both ways.
>> 
>> Monk has no pedigree other than taking over a mid-table premiership team,
>> doing OK for a year or so, until it became 'his' team.  Then getting sacked
>> after they became relegation candidates.
>> 
>> I don't see him attracting players in the same way that other recently
>> announced Championship Managers will.  Combine that with Cellino taking the
>> Joke that Leeds have turned into in the last 14 years to new levels of
>> farce, then he stands no chance of putting together a team that will make
>> the play-offs.
>> 
>> Hope to be proved wrong, or even not quite right.
>> 
>> KOT.
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Re: [LU] NON LU: book recommendations

[Nick Allen]

Philip K Dick
JG Ballard

American Gods by Gaiman is pretty good despite the lousy last 30 pages.

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> On 11 Apr 2016, at 16:23, {broken-address} Graham White 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you prefer authors with a bit of a reputation then anything by Neal Asher 
> or Gary Gibson, with the Neal Asher books you need to read them in the right 
> order.
> 
> Also the Humanities Fire trilogy by Michael Cobley is pretty good - proper 
> galaxy spanning space opera!
> 
> If you are willing to give an unknown author a try then I recommend:
> 
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Exiles-The-Progenitor-Trilogy-Book-ebook/dp/B003UYUWE2?ie=UTF8=dan%20worth=1460387742_=sr_1_6=digital-text=1-6
> 
> 
> That lot should keep you going for a while :-)   Better than watching LUFC 
> anyway :-(
> 
> For fantasy with attitude try Joe Abercrombie or Richard Morgan.
> 
> Cheers
>  
> Graham White
> 
> 
>On Monday, 11 April 2016, 17:06, Richard Naef 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> 
> 
> I'm off for a few days holiday and struggling for a couple of books to take
> with me - tho cos I'm cycling it'll be electronic versions.
> 
> 
> 
> I'm into Science Fiction and recently amused myself with re-reading all of
> Iain M Bank's books.  Now for obvious reasons he's not going to write any
> more, so I'm looking for a new obsession.  
> 
> 
> 
> So a couple of questions to the list hive mind;
> 
> 
> 
> any recommendations for SF writers in the hard SF vein of Banks?,  I don't
> like the term space opera but I guess that is kind of the thing I'm looking
> for, space ships, big lasers, weird tech etc  
> 
> 
> 
> thinking about nonSF,  I've never read any of Neil Gaiman's books and heard
> they are very good and recommendations on where to start?
> 
> 
> 
> Just don't anyone mention that feckin' games of thrones shit
> 
> 
> 
> ttfn
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
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Re: [LU] Wood

[Nick Allen]

Bet you were beside yourself when the club erected a statue to Bremner.

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> OO-ER all he offered me was a quick cuddle behind the cowshed. 
> 
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> Chris Wood makes me long for the guile and penetration offered by Matt Smith. 
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[LU] Wood

[Nick Allen]

Chris Wood makes me long for the guile and penetration offered by Matt Smith.

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Re: [LU] Team

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Or a desperate throw of the dice...not impressed by the fat bastard's yelling 
at the 19 year debutant in the last minute to take the free kick and get 
everyone forward...he's given us 6 months of everyone back at corners and free 
kicks...Bellusci was a liability tonight. That was probably the least 
interesting 90 minutes I have ever seen. Bollocks. And less than 17,500 to see 
it.

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> 2 wingers and a target man That beginning to look like a tactic
> 
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Re: [LU] football?

[Nick Allen]

Ha ha ha, brilliant...seconded.

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> They can all fuck off.  They aren't Leeds
> 
>> On 30/03/2016 14:51, Jeremy Adams wrote:
>> I know this is a Leeds list but England have played two games in a week, 
>> beating ze Germans and gifting a win to the Dutch, but not a mention on this 
>> list. Anyone have any thoughts about who should be starting in June? I 
>> thought Delli Ali looked  pretty good as did Eric Deir. Kane took his goal 
>> well but seemed a little isolated up front till Vardy came on. Being useless 
>> at football myself I'm always a big fan of players like Vardy who work their 
>> little cotton socks off for the team.
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[LU] Town

[Nick Allen]

So, in control for 40 minutes, great double save from a penalty by Silvestri, 
good goal by Dallas heading home a far post cross by Bridcutt; Bridcutt was in 
charge in the first half...then slack marking at a corner, free header and 
they're back in the game.

After that we gave up, barely made a chance, they ran through our midfield with 
speed and purpose, the back 4 were nowhere...total fucking shambles. 
Disgraceful capitulation.

End of.

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Re: [LU] Completely NON LU advice request

[Nick Allen]

With "£200 and a complete novice" we could probably get you on the board at LUFC

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> On 10 Mar 2016, at 13:55, David Brennan  wrote:
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> I had a birthday recently and got some dosh off my family and I want to buy a 
> telescope for star gazing.
> 
> I've been looking on line and the choice is bewildering.  
> 
> I know there are boffins and scientists on here, and one of the best things 
> about this list is the knowledge members are willing to share, so does anyone 
> have any helpful advice on what to get?  I've got 200 quid and am a complete 
> novice.
> 
> Feel free to reply off list, unless you think talking about astronomy is more 
> interesting than Leeds United (which it may well be from time to time).
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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[LU] Fwd: Watford

[Nick Allen]

Meant to send to the list, not just Mark...

> Subject: Re: [LU] Watford
> 
> Mebbe so...but the goal was all him. Silverstein dithered but he didn't block 
> his eye line, SW wasn't under pressure and even if he is being played out of 
> position (which he is, and that is Evans' fault, not Wootton's) where he 
> scored from is prime centre half territory...deal with the cross inside the 6 
> yard box...take charge, make it yours. Not trying to say the defeat was his 
> fault, just the goal. Didn't follow the flight, not good enough when it came 
> to the execution.
> 
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>> On 22 Feb 2016, at 15:20, Mark  wrote:
>> 
>> I didn't even think Wootten was the worst player on the pitch. That award 
>> goes to Mowatt who was abysmal when he arrived as a substitute. 
>> Cheers
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Re: [LU] team today

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The irony being that the team had a much better balance today, passed the ball 
around and looked like the team more likely...but then Forest had one come back 
off the bar and of course scored after we stopped playing waiting for a whistle 
that never came. The talk at half time was a decent game being played at a good 
tempo, with the ball being kept on the ground and into feet...just a shame 
about the points!

Like the three of Dave, Bridcott and Cook in the middle, with Dallas chucking 
some good crosses in. And for about 30 minutes it looked Doukara and Antenucci 
would come up with the goods.

Only 12 goals at home all season, speaks volumes. With that track record you 
leave your defence no room for cock-ups...it's a tough line to hold.

We know why Wootton has space going forward and today Taylor had loads, except 
no one passed it to him. 

Most annoying.

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> bamba Out, cooper In.
> 
> 
> 
> ttfn
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
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> 
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Re: [LU] team today

[Nick Allen]

Funny, I sent this just after getting home at 6pm last night...looks like it 
got lost in the ether...anyway, I obviously watched a different game from 
everyone else, judging by the other reports/comments.

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> On 7 Feb 2016, at 09:38, Nick Allen <n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> The irony being that the team had a much better balance today, passed the 
> ball around and looked like the team more likely...but then Forest had one 
> come back off the bar and of course scored after we stopped playing waiting 
> for a whistle that never came. The talk at half time was a decent game being 
> played at a good tempo, with the ball being kept on the ground and into 
> feet...just a shame about the points!
> 
> Like the three of Dave, Bridcott and Cook in the middle, with Dallas chucking 
> some good crosses in. And for about 30 minutes it looked Doukara and 
> Antenucci would come up with the goods.
> 
> Only 12 goals at home all season, speaks volumes. With that track record you 
> leave your defence no room for cock-ups...it's a tough line to hold.
> 
> We know why Wootton has space going forward and today Taylor had loads, 
> except no one passed it to him. 
> 
> Most annoying.
> 
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>> On 6 Feb 2016, at 14:51, Richard Naef <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> bamba Out, cooper In.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ttfn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
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[LU] Dons

[Nick Allen]

So Preston had to score the winner for us, now MK had to score the equaliser.

Clueless, bereft of ideas, unable to pass...the number of hospital passes they 
played to each other was appalling...poor Silvestri, what he is supposed to do 
with some of the stuff sent back to him, on a day like today - overcast, 
permanent drizzle, the ground soaking and yet the crowd boos him for hurried 
sliced clearances, it beggars belief. And given all that, we had zero shots 
that their keeper had to save. Criminal. 

No one stamped their authority on this game - Bridcott and Silvestri probably 
earned their wage and that's about it.

Yes, Wootton is always free out on the right, that's because the opposition 
know he is not capable of hurting them. 

Did we have a shot target? Does hitting the post count? Because Taylor's free 
kick was the nearest we got.

Thankfully their centre half pulled a rabbit from nowhere. He had no real 
pressure and no real reason to head it back towards goal, it was easier to head 
it up field, but that's what he did and it dribbled into the bottom corner from 
12 yards out. How grateful were we?

Dons had a fast forward line that made arses out of Cooper/ Bamba, repeatedly. 
And we had nothing to come back at them with, lot's of intricate passing that 
eventually had us turned around and head back towards our own goal. Dreadful 
stuff.

Don't know what else to say about a game that I had been looking forward to 
hoping for a good win.

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Re: [LU] Derby

[Nick Allen]

For their first goal there was a large appeal that their winger controlled the 
ball with his hand at the start of his run...but that doesn't excuse the 
defending of either Wootton(?) and Bamba - a suicidal lunge that would have 
conceded a penalty had he connected.

Our first...it was Byram that took the ball round the keeper, making one of 
those cute feints to chip the ball back in so the charging keeper leaps in the 
air doing a star jump, the player then pushes it underneath this jump and runs 
round to collect it. His first cross was blocked and that came out to Dallas, 
who dinked towards the back post, where the keeper, recovering his ground 
flapped an arm over his head only succeeded in pushing it to Bamba's feet 6 
yards out.

Wood finished well. For me it was the one thing he did all game...although he 
did put a lot of effort in. If he did nothing each game but could be relied on 
to score every game, then I'd buy that, but he can't and doesn't.

Silvestri made two or three cracking saves. All 3 of our main centre halves are 
v similar...80 minutes of decent diligent defensive play, 5 minutes of being 
lost, badly out of position and 5 minutes of cluelessly bad challenges. Hard to 
know who to rely on...for me probably last night's pairing was the best.

The ref was reacting to Derby's histrionics - the one part of their game I 
didn't admire, they were an otherwise tidy team, they look a good bet for 
promotion - while not giving anything to Leeds for similar 
challenges...although to be fair, this only seemed to be an issue for the 
middle third of the match.

Our spirit was good last night and the crowd seemed to respond to that. All in 
all pretty heartening stuff.

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> On 30 Dec 2015, at 00:25, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> I hate to play the 'I go to games' etc card, but I think a few on here and 
> elsewhere forget where and who we are. All I can say is that the general mood 
> in the ground and after the game was that this was  good performance, a 
> decent result and that under Evans we are going in the right direction.Derby 
> are probably the best team in this division and were a class above us, but we 
> fought, we tried, we gave it everything and we played some good football and 
> deserved at least the point we got. 
> I assume after the Cellino climb down that most listers will have seen the 
> game on TV so I will keep it brief. We  went a goal down, if not against the 
> run of play (only ten minutes gone) certainly a goal from nothing. We stood 
> still, hands in the air (not sure why we were complaining) as one of theirs 
> literally walked through the defence as we fell at his feet and let him put 
> one in.Our heads did not drop for long and we continued to take the game to 
> them and we got our reward, albeit a dodgy goal in some ways. A freekick into 
> the box, their keeper ran out and flapped at it, Byram (?) took it round the 
> keeper and hit a cross that was blocked and then another cross was met by the 
> backpedalling keeper who punched it to Bamba (at fault for their goal 
> according to text I got)  and he hit it home.Then came the best  bit of the 
> game, a lovely ball by Cook was met by Byram who put in a great cross and the 
> much maligned Wood rose and met it beautifully and headed it back past the 
 keeper and into the net.So used to defeat / disappointment was I that I turned 
to my mate and said 'I hope we do not lose now' - Derby looked better than us 
throughout in many ways and we feared that Martin and Ince would both score. 
> In the end we could not hold on and the (almost) inevitable happened as Ince 
> scored for them We managed to keep it to 2 2 and the final whistle was met 
> with applause.Evans again tried to do his best by making changes when 
> needed.Ok a home draw is not the best result in the world but given where we 
> are and where Derby are the fans at the game went home happyNeed to get 3 
> points on Saturday v MK Dons and this will have been a good week - 5 points 
> out of 9 
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Re: [LU] HT 0-0

[Nick Allen]

Our man of the match was Silvestri...7, yes I counted them, goal stopping 
saves...no one else came half as close to doing their job.



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> On 20 Dec 2015, at 16:04, davidwool...@gmail.com wrote:
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> To be fair, been a brighter performance today. Bridcutt best player on the 
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> Sent: Sunday, 20 December 2015 15:51
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> Subject: [LU] HT 0-0
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> Nowt to do so far.
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Re: [LU] FT 1 0

[Nick Allen]

Your report is right Dave, one of the most unsatisfying victories...

I think part of it is the attitude on display and for that you have to look to 
the manager.

Every corner/free kick around our box that Preston got we had all 11 back there 
in the box - even when they had 10 men. When we got a couple of corners late 
on, they left 2 on the half way line...meaning we had to have 3 defenders back 
there. I never think it's right not have at least 1 man up for the long punt 
out of defence, but there's no excuse when they're a man down. 

The other example being, when we did get corners in the second half, we played 
them short and tried to shield the ball in the corner...

Both of which said that the manager and/or the players just wanted to hang on, 
having no desire or belief that they could press on and score more.

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> On 20 Dec 2015, at 19:45, "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com> wrote:
> 
> I do not remember the last time I enjoyed a win so little and it was not just 
> me, the whole crowd were totally underwhelmed with the victory today. Up 
> against 10 men for over an hour, a 17 year old in their net, the strong wind 
> in our favour all second half and yet our keeper was the only one who made a 
> save! He made a lot more that one, and was probably our MOM. He had more of 
> the ball than anyone else on the pitch and pulled off at least 6 or 7 saves 
> from the everyday to the pretty decent.We began on the back foot and 
> Silvestri was called into action 3 or 4 times before a long ball hit over the 
> top, ended with Wood and the keeper coming together at the edge of the box. 
> The far end from where I am and we thought the ref blew for a foul (heard 
> later it was handball outside the area) No idea if the ref got it right but 
> having blown for an infringement it had to be a red and so it was. 
> Surely we would be able to beat a mid-table team at home with an extra man ? 
> Well we did, but only justWe bossed the last 15mins of the half and did 
> things right , keep the ball, pass it wide, use the extra man etc
> Then it all went a bit wrong. We ran out of ideas and then the real game 
> changer, a great cross by Dallas was headed, under little pressure, into his 
> own net by a Preston defender Great , we all thought, this will be the game 
> when we score more than 2 at home and change our goal difference 
> around.Instead of that we  went to pieces. We did not know if to stick or 
> twist, one minute getting the ball forward too quickly, the next defending 
> deeper and deeper. It was not good to watch and we did not have a single real 
> chance / shot all second half. Instead we let them grow in confidence and all 
> feared an equaliser. It really was poor fare. They had so many booked that we 
> expected another red card but it never came and nothing we did seemed to work
> The final whistle was even met with a few boos ! So 3 points but very 
> unconvincing and a day to forget in all other ways
> Dave
> 
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>  From: "davidwool...@gmail.com" <davidwool...@gmail.com>
> To: Nick Allen <n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> 
> Cc: Leeds List Post <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> Sent: Sunday, 20 December 2015, 18:24
> Subject: Re: [LU] HT 0-0
> 
> We were pretty decent first half without enough end product. We just 
> completely stopped playing as soo‎n as we went ahead. Became horribly 
> negative for no reason against 10 men there for the taking. 
> 
> Bridcutt and Murphy had good first halves. 
> 
> Cooper had an encouraging willingness to pass out from the back (with 
> Bridcutt usually receiving). 
> 
> I know Wood will get yet more abuse after today, but I want the bloke to do 
> well. He is trying. 
> 
> Byram disappointed me and Cook needs a break at some point. He didn't look up 
> / make good decisions on a host of occasions today. 
> 
> The last 15 mins just felt like a matter of time until Bellusci dropped a 
> goal conceding clanger. Amazingly never happened.
> 
> Win's a win though. Top of the bottom half!  
> 
>   Original Message  
> From: Nick Allen
> Sent: Sunday, 20 December 2015 18:14
> To: davidwool...@gmail.com
> Cc: John Boocock; Leeds List Post
> Subject: Re: [LU] HT 0-0
> 
> Our man of the match was Silvestri...7, yes I counted them, goal stopping 
> saves...no one else came half as close to doing their job.
> 
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>> On 20 Dec 2015, at 16:04, davidwool...@gmail.com wrote:
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[LU] Unmissable FA Cup game

[Nick Allen]

Surely it is not at 3pm on Friday the 8th...as advertised on the website...?

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[LU] Cellino to sell to fans group?

[Nick Allen]

How likely is this...and how viable?

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[LU] Hmmm

[Nick Allen]

Hard to think of a worse performance. And against such a mediocre team.

With the possible exception of Berardi, who at least looked like he gave a 
monkeys about the outcome...

Evans, has nothing to offer us. For once I'd be glad to wake up and hear he's 
gone. Continuity be buggered...there's no nothing for anyone to hold on to.

We have some good players, good young players, the mood in the club must be 
poisonous. 

Mavericks and team sports don't really work unless they turn their 
Maverick-ness outwards and keep everything in-house, in-house - take Clough or 
Ferguson or Cantona...the attitude was fuck everyone else, but I'll die for my 
team. Cellino has nothing to offer Leeds Utd, it's a vanity trip for him.

It's not a one way ticket to Division 3 yet, but if this stinking attitude and 
stinking form doesn't get sorted by New Year, it will be.

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Re: [LU] LU: Cellino article

[Nick Allen]

If the Titanic is piloted by a clown, it will hit the iceberg every time.

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> On 27 Oct 2015, at 07:34, Dr Michael Benjamin  wrote:
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> Bloody scary
>> On 27 Oct 2015 8:27 a.m., "Chris Nickson"  wrote:
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>> Very interesting piece on Cellino's rule...
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>> http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/massimo-cellino-fear-and-loathing-at-elland-road-a6709731.html
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Re: [LU] LU: Rosler sacked

[Nick Allen]

What a fiasco. If this horse was Eddie Grey it would have been shot by now.

A little perspective would have been nice; we lost on Saturday to a last gasp 
goal against the top of the league after going down to 10 men in unlucky 
circumstances. 

Can't support Evans, the man is a disgrace. This is Leeds Utd not fucking 
Crawley or Boston (no disrespect, but it is a question of having some pride in 
the club he allegedly represents, Cellino I mean, and an understanding of the 
different histories and standing in the game). 

And no, I don't want us to go down to get rid of Cellino; I don't want us to 
become a yo-yo club between the second and third tiers. That would kill us off 
for good and all. 

Somehow we need to stay up, keep the youngsters, get rid of Evans and 
Cellino...it's not too much to ask is it? Oh and while I'm on the list of the 
impossible, can we have the coffee and bovril cart back upstairs in the kop at 
half time?

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> On 19 Oct 2015, at 15:06, {broken-address} Nicholas Armit 
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> That thought crossed my mind too. Didn't like the ominous warnings about 
> Leeds collapsing in regards to the tv statements from last week. Looked like 
> he was setting us up for a major fall.
>  From: "bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk" 
> To: Nicholas Armit  
> Cc: David Brennan ; "leedslist@gn.apc.org" 
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> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 10:03 AM
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> I suppose the question now is do we need to go down for Cellino to become 
> disinterested and then sell up? He seems to not give a damn about publicly 
> being seen as a complete novice and fool, so what will make him leave. Of 
> course it might be the long arm of the law, but ..
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> On 19 Oct 2015, at 14:54, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
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> It only just ended if relegation is unimportant.
>  From: "bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk" 
> To: David Brennan  
> Cc: "leedslist@gn.apc.org"  
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 9:51 AM
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> Agree 100% DRB - I don't care if he's ours, he's an idiot! 
> 
> I think this season just ended?
> 
> John
> 
> Ps I watched the film Northern Soul last night and saw that Guy Hennigan was 
> mentioned as the DJ Trainer - do you still see him, what's he up to? Give him 
> my best - if we ever have a Satdi in Leeds where we're not going to the 
> match, I wonder if he could be tempted over for a pint or three?
> 
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>> On 19 Oct 2015, at 11:36, David Brennan  wrote:
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>> I f**king HATE Steve Evans.  He's the fat c**t who waddles up and down the 
>> touchline annoying every fan in the world, probably even his own fans, but 
>> most definitely us.
>> 
>> I will happily see us flirt with relegation so this person can then be 
>> sacked, giving us just enough time to hold on to Championship status.
>> 
>> I know there are a lot of people out there who subscribe to the idea of 
>> 'he's a c**t, but he's our c**t', but surely not in this case?
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Re: [LU] Brighton

[Nick Allen]

Not going to rehash these reports as I think they pretty much cover 
everything...my one comment on the play was that the first goal was lost when 
Adeyemi either bottled or simply wasn't strong enough in a tackle that he 
looked to be odds on to win, in the middle of the park...their player won that, 
stepped forward and slid the ball to the winger...Wootton didn't have a clue 
where this guy was. It's easy to blame Silvestri, and lots do around me, but 
when two of your team mates in front of you don't do their job, then your job 
suddenly becomes a whole lot more difficult.

Mowatt was rubbish yesterday (dead ball delivery excepted); Adeyemi too; Wood 
is a plank (ha ha); Wootton has never been good enough; and as for Buckley, 
fuck me...when you've got this lot doing that bad, but you have Byram, Murphy, 
Antenucci on the bench and Taylor to come back from illness, it is possible to 
change things for the better. presumably we will now have Bellusci back in 
place of Cooper for a while...

So, not won at home since March, perhaps Cellino should restrict home numbers?

Zamora's first goal for Brighton for 4549 days...bastard!

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> On 17 Oct 2015, at 21:07, Richard walker  wrote:
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> Dave, 
> 
> My report was not a piss take. Today I was driving so I was completely sober 
> and was watching intently. I would ask you why were Brighton so ineffective ? 
> I actually don't think they are shit, I think we bossed them. I bet they have 
> not had it so hard this season. I would be interested to hear what Chris 
> Hughton made of it ?
> 
> Adeyemi - I watched him closely. No world beater but he was effective in his 
> defensive work first half. I was fairly impressed. He's no passer. 
> 
> Wooton  - I gave him the benefit of the doubt but the fact that both goals 
> were around him doesn't surprise me. He is turd. 
> 
> We didn't create a lot of chances granted. The biggest thing for me is how we 
> competed. Against Brum we were just white and every time they attacked they 
> looked like they would score. Not today.
> 
> Chin up!
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[LU] Brim

[Nick Allen]

Taylor to Cooper to Bamba to Berardi to Bamba to Taylor to Cooper to Taylor to 
Cooper, to Bamba to Silvestri to Taylor to Cooper to Bamba to Berardi to Bamba 
to Berardi to Bamba to Cooper to Silvestri0-1 to Brum. Taylor to Cooper to 
Taylor to Bamba to Cooper to Bamba to Cooper to Bamba to Cooper to 
Silvestri...on and on until Berardi subbed for Byram...then repeat above but 
with Byram instead of Berardi. 0-2.

fuck sake.

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[LU] Fwd: Ipswich

[Nick Allen]

Oh, and we had what looked like a nailed on penalty declined...Sam was booked 
for diving.

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> From: Richard walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Date: 16 September 2015 07:18:32 BST
> To: Nick Allen <n...@6haroldplace.co.uk>
> Cc: "<leedslist@gn.apc.org>" <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> Subject: Re: [LU] Ipswich
> 
> Adeyemi and Murphy together in midfield and Cook on the wing was a shocking 
> decision, 
> 
> Rosler seems pretty clueless.
> 
>> On 16 Sep 2015, at 07:10, Nick Allen <n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Well that was as uninspiring a 90 minutes as you could wish to spend. 
>> Clueless, guileless garbage...both teams. The difference being that Ipswich 
>> were faster and more physical, and they took the gift offered by Silvestri.
>> 
>> Rosler picked the starting eleven that most of us probably would have done, 
>> but it left him nothing on the bench if he needed to change things to win 
>> the game...Byram on for Dallas after 60 minutes...changes nothing except 
>> replacing a specialist winger with one learning that role. 
>> 
>> Playing Cook on the left is a waste.
>> 
>> Bamba was an accident waiting to happen after another reckless booking ten 
>> minutes in.
>> 
>> Whatever Wood brings to the team, he is not a target man. And there's not a 
>> lot of point in lumping the ball at Antenucci's head either.
>> 
>> Play your best players in their best position. So, you'd have the same back 
>> 5, Byram, Murphy, Cook, Dallas and either Mowatt or Adeyemi across the 
>> Middle...and Antenucci up front. Raise the tempo and pass the ball to feet.
>> 
>> However much the crowd dislike the methodical build up from the back, 
>> including lots of passes back to Silvestri, it is clearly what Rosler wants 
>> them to do...so there's not a lot of point in barracking them about it.
>> 
>> Very poor indeed.
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Re: [LU] Brentford

[Nick Allen]

Agree with pretty much all of that...probably slightly less on the doom and 
gloom side, the two things I'd add, would be that it was the bringing on of 
both Murphy and Antenucci that made the difference...and yes Murphy was high 
wide and handsome with two efforts, but he comes in a poor second to Sam 
Byram's 3 "shots on goal" in about 20 minutes...which were abject and wasteful.

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> On 13 Sep 2015, at 08:32, Richard walker  wrote:
> 
> For me this was a poor game,littered with mistakes and very few shots / goal 
> scoring chances.
> We started with a 4-3-3 formation. How many managers at Leeds in the past 
> have tried this? You can't go looking for a win at home with this formation 
> especially when you consider Byram is no right winger and Woods is not 
> exactly quick and actually not the best target man.
> 
> For the first 30 minutes we had a lot of possession and tried to play 
> football, unfortunately this just highlighted our weaknesses and also the 
> failure of the system. In midfield we played with Adeyemi and Mowatt, who in 
> my opinion when playing together look very pedestrian. They are both one 
> paced and offer very little going forward, Adeyemi would argue he is in the 
> team to break up the play and get the tackles in which to be fair he does at 
> times however what is Mowatt's excuse ? Too fat?
> 
> Dallas and Taylor tried their best to get things going down the left and did 
> force a few corners but not much was happening. At the other end it took 
> Brentford 35 minutes to start playing and it was mainly due to poor play and 
> mistakes from us. Sol Bamba decided that today would be a Bambi on ice 
> performance. Poor back passes and poor control kept putting us under 
> pressure. When your captain is playing like a novice you're going to 
> struggle. 
> 
> On the ball Brentford appeared to be quicker and more decisive. Again I think 
> this might be a reflection of how pedestrian some of our midfielders were in 
> comparison but in Alan Judge they had a tricky left winger who looked a yard 
> quicker than us.
> 
> Their goal was simple pass and move football that carved us apart and it was 
> clear to me that they were better side and would go on to win this 
> comfortably.
> 
> Half-time Rosler changed the line up and formation and all credit to him 
> because I know quite a few managers who would have continued until 53 minutes 
> after the half time bollocking (Simon Grayson for one). Antenucci came on and 
> Mowatt off and we started to play as a 4-4-2 with Antenucci coming deep to 
> pick up the ball.
> 
> It transformed our play and we looked a different team with Antenucci looking 
> dangerous with every touch. Woods got more involved and was unlucky with a 
> deflected shot which hit the post and with the crowd now up for it an 
> equaliser was inevitable. It was also inevitable that Antenucci would get it. 
> He was the difference and his goal showed he can score a bucket load this 
> season with both feet. It wasn't quite as good as the Burnley goal but it was 
> similar and a very well taken, top quality goal.
> 
> Brentford continued to look for the win at the other end and had a few half 
> chances. There was a bit of a melee amongst the players when Judge tried a 
> bit of play acting which didn't go down too well. At the end we had a shout 
> for a penalty when their player used his arm to control the bar. It was a 
> penalty but it would have been harsh on Brentford who over 99 minutes were 
> the better team for me. We relied on Antenucci and didn't look like a team at 
> all. Unbeaten yes but I think there's a lot of work to do.
> 
> Scores:
> 
> Silvestri - 5. Didn't have a lot to do other than pick the ball out of the 
> net and come out quick to intercept some miscalculated back passes. The 
> reason I've marked him low is his kicking which was the worst I've seen since 
> the rule change ruined John Lukic.
> 
> Beradi -6. I think he had a difficult job against MOTM Judge but stuck to his 
> task well.
> 
> Taylor - 7. I thought he did very well. He is getting stronger and rarely 
> comes off worse in 50:50s. I still think he has more to offer in midfield.
> 
> Bamba - 4. I thought his first half performance was his worst since he 
> joined. He played like a pissed up Roque- Junior. Terrible. He did improve 
> second half but we can't afford our captain to have off days like this.
> 
> Cooper - 7. I thought he played well and he needed to because his partner 
> didn't turn up in the first half. Tries to get forward and is actually pretty 
> effective but surely that is the midfield's job ?
> 
> Adeyemi - 5. Limited footballer, pedestrian. Doesn't offer much. I don't 
> think there's room for players like this in a promotion chasing team (are we 
> ?).
> 
> Mowatt - 3. Again he disappointed. I hate the short corners and I hate 
> watching him running through treacle. He's a young lad with a nice left foot 
> but 

Re: [LU] Sheff Wed

[Nick Allen]

DOUR...the only word for it. Sheffield Wed came not to lose, and didn't. We 
lacked the guile to break them down. The main point for me was the similarity 
of Philips and Adeyemi in the middle just put us on the back foot too often. 
Philips was caught with the ball time and again. The introduction of Mowatt and 
Murphy changed that balance and brought us back into it. 2 good goals...you can 
never legislate for moments like the Wednesday strike...sometimes they just go 
in. 

There's nothing seriously wrong, nothing that needs a major overhaul...just a 
bit more time, some fine tuning and people like Cook avoiding stupid 
dismissals/suspensions. 

I'm really beginning to like the look of Breradi at full back. 

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 On 22 Aug 2015, at 21:03, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote:
 
 Will keep it brief, partly cos there is not that much to say and partly 
 because most of you will have seen it on TV one way and another.Rosler again 
 did a bit of 'tinkering' this time Cooper getting the nod over Bellusci , 
 Phillips and Adeyemi the midfield pairing and Antenucci partnered with Wood 
 up front. It is clear that Rosler is still searching for his best eleven both 
 in terms of personnel and formation. He also seems to believe his own 
 tiredness excuses (even though only Taylor and Dallas have started every game 
 and Dallas has been subbed in them all)Phillips who statistics claim ran 13.3 
 km on Wednesday (as compared with an average of 8-10km) started the game but 
 started badly - his first tackle was slow and behind the pace and the ref, 
 even though it was the first minute, gave him a yellow, something he never 
 recovered from and he spent most of the time behind the game, trying to get 
 to the pace but worried about another booking. This meant we had almost no 
 creativ
 ity in the middle of the park. I like the look of Adeyemi but he is a 
destroyer - breaks up play and gives it to someone else. We really missed Cooks 
energy and driving forward influence. They slowed the game down, niggling 
fouls, time wasting, play acting from start to finish - they came for  a point 
and the officials went along with their game plan.Not much of note happened in 
the first half until one bit of brilliance put them in front - their attacker 
chipped it over Cooper and then fired in a speculative shot that somehow 
dropped in - everyone in the ground was stunned,  looked around for a bit then 
we groaned and they celebrated. Boy how did they celebrate - the scorer pointed 
to his number, to the skies, bowed down on the floor, hugged his mates and then 
fell to the floor again. I have seen many players booked for 'over celebration' 
who did less than that (perhaps it is not allowed to book a player for 
celebrating in such a 'religious' manner) A decent goal but one ma
 inly against the run of play - their only real shot all half. We did not 
deserve anything from that half either - our main tactic a long crossfield ball 
from Cooper to the head of Byram - it did not always work and even when it did 
it came to nothing.
 Second half was much of the same till the double sub (off went Phillips - 
 about time, and Byram - we wanted Dallas off) and on came Mowatt and Murphy 
 and we started to keep the ball better and look more dangerous. We were still 
 wondering where the equaliser would come when Bamba showed why he is captain. 
 He strode forward beating a number of players and then let Mowatt take it off 
 his toes and release Dallas. Dallas who had looked short of confidence till 
 then, nutmegged one player, beat the other and put in a good low cross that 
 Wood, reminiscent of Lee Chapman prodded home from a yard out. A great team 
 goal. After that we huffed and puffed trying to get the winner and Dallas did 
 try and pull off a few tricks but it was not to be.
 So either an unbeaten start to the season or 4 without a win - take your 
 pick. Yes we could and should have 8 points on the board (burnley and 
 Bristol) but have to settle for 4.
 Wood looks like a player and he will get 20+ goals if he gets any sort of 
 service and if he and Antenucci can become a real partnership, reading each 
 others game they will be a real handful. At the back we looked solid, they 
 had one flash of brilliance (luck?) and one other clear chance from a 
 breakaway but that apart we kept them quiet. A lack of creativity in midfield 
 cost us today but hopefully the return of Cook will help there.
 We are a work in progress but given time and luck , things could be good this 
 season
 DavePS - not seen any of the game on TV so some of this may be wrong!
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Re: [LU] Burnley (as seen live - not watched or seen any of it on TV so could be wrong at times)

[Nick Allen]

Pretty much everything you'd want from the opening game of the season; warm 
sun, big crowd, good atmosphere, new players showing well, young players 
showing that last year's promise wasn't a fluke and taking the lead with an 
absolute peach of a goal with 5 minutes to go...just a shame about that 
momentary lapse otherwise it would have been perfect.

Not going to rehash Dave's report but just add that we had several more chances 
than he remembered: Berardi had two from the top edge of the box that whistled 
just over - the first one better than the second; Bellusci hit a cannonball 
from 30 yards that stung the keeper's hands; Adeyemi nipped in to connect with 
a low cross to the front post and sent it fizzing over the bar; Wood put 
through the middle to the edge of the penalty area, with the keeper advancing, 
went for power when some finesse would have been the thing and sent it over the 
bar...all half chances (well, Wood probably should have scored) that we've all 
seen result in goals before.

I thought that Dallas's shot early on, was parried by the keeper onto the 
bar...but it might just have been the angle I was looking from.

heartening to see the rapid pass and movement that the young players have 
brought to the team still out thinking and moving good defenders and 
midfielders - Adeyemi slotted right into this style of play, Berardi is 
extremely comfortable with it...we have 8 or 9 first teamers who can play 
proper football.

Only slight worries for me were Taylor at full back...not his best position, 
but he won't get a look in any further forward with Dallas up there, so Charlie 
had better graft to sort himself in that position. And Wood...looked pedestrian 
to me. For some reason he suddenly picked up the work rate after about 75 
minutes and looked a better proposition...but hell it's his first game for us, 
plenty of time yet.

Christ, Silvestri even claimed a high ball. He also made one cracking reflex 
save before half time.

Not sure I'd call it anything but 4-5-1 as a formation.

Filled with hope after that one.

Nick

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 On 8 Aug 2015, at 21:00, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote:
 
 Well I went to this game full of hope and optimism, looking forward to the 
 season to come and thinking it may just be a good one. I have come home (via  
 a pub or two) in exactly the same frame of mind.We had 26,000 Leeds fans 
 there today and (subject to money, holidays, other commitments) everyone of 
 them should be there next time too. Apart from the final result I cannot 
 think of anything else anyone could want from their team. A team made up of, 
 mainly, young lads, most with a connection to LUFC gave 100% in a full 
 blooded exciting, entertaining game. If you did not go home happy today then 
 I would ask 'what more do you want? 
 From first to last we got into them, hunting them down in packs, keeping and 
 passing the ball, running at them and never letting them settle. From 1 to 11 
 we showed a commitment to the cause coupled with a composure and ability and 
 comfort on the ball that we have not seen for years. Not one player treated 
 the ball as the proverbial hot potato that they just wanted rid of, instead 
 each of them wanted the ball and wanted to do something with it.  
 Were we perfect, no of course not. but the players did everything we , as 
 fans, could expect or want from our team.The line up was as expected with 
 Dallas getting the nod over Doukara and they came out in glorious sunshine to 
 a brilliant reception. The debutants knew from the first minute - this is 
 LEEDS, deal with it. We began like an express train, tackles flying in, 
 chasing down the ball and giving them no respite. Without getting carried 
 away and making false comparisons , this was like a Wilko team. Adeyemi Cook, 
 Mowatt were everywhere winning the ball and laying it off. We had so many 
 good moves it is hard to remember but the best was a great ball over the top 
 that Byram controlled brilliantly, and put in a cross straight to Wood. We 
 all thought he would head home but, (not for the only time) he went for the 
 fantastic and tried an overhead kick that did not quite work. On another 
 occasion the ball went over Wood and Dallas was there at the far post to 
 shoot but it hit
  the keeper. The first 20-25 minutes was breathless stuff and it was hard to 
understand why it was still 0 0. We then ran out of steam a bit and let them 
back in it but Silvestri was more than capable to deal with their only shot of 
note. So the half time whistle came and the players went off to a standing 
ovation - a well deserved one.Second half the same story - Mowatt fizzed one 
just wide, a great cross from Berardi found Wood but was at an awkward height 
and his first touch on his thigh made the chance go. We kept at it and on 
60mins or so the tiring Dallas (good on his first appearance) made way for 
Antenucci (or Antenucci, Antenuccis na na nana na na (think old Arthur 

Re: [LU] NON LU: Commercial Post Punk Break

[Nick Allen]

Thought we had moved onto W Yorks...ah well I'll save my Black Lace and 
Brotherhood of Man comments for later...

Sent from my iPad

 On 2 Jul 2015, at 18:26, Chris Nickson chrisnicks...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Cribs are Wakefield.
 
 Sent from my ayeayePhone
 
 On 2 Jul 2015, at 18:23, Nick Allen n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
 
 the Cribs
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 2 Jul 2015, at 16:56, Joe Skinner jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 Never liked Cud but saw the bridewells a few times.
 
 
 More cowbell needed on their BOC cover, though.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Sent from Windows Mail
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Matt Anderson
 Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎2‎ ‎July‎ ‎2015 ‎16‎:‎32
 To: Chris Nickson
 Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 
 
 
 
 
 Cud and the bridewell taxis!!!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 2 Jul 2015, at 14:48, Chris Nickson chrisnicks...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Fair enough, although I only went to the early 90s.
 
 Sent from my ayeayePhone
 
 On 2 Jul 2015, at 12:35, Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk 
 wrote:
 
 
 
 I didn't say massive, and you've missed out Alt-J, Utah Saints and 
 Kaisers, but look at Sheffield, Def Leppard, Pulp, Arctic Monkeys, ABC, 
 Cabaret Voltaire, Joe Cocker, Human League, Bruce Dickinson, LFO, Moloko?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Subject: Re: [LU] NON LU: Commercial Post Punk Break
 
 
 
 Arthur Brown, Christie, Delta 5, Mekons, Gang of 4, Sister of Mercy, Soft 
 Cell, The Mission, March Violets, Chumbawamba, Bolshoi, and that's just 
 taking us to the start of the 90s, and I've probably missed out a few. 
 Massive underepresentation?
 
 
 
 On 2 July 2015 at 11:49, Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk 
 wrote:
 
 actually this thread reminds me of a thought I was thinking while at 
 Glasto*
 this year.  Why is Leeds so underrepresented in the Music business, forget
 about comparing it with London, Manchester or Liverpool, it's pretty
 underwhelming compared to Sheffield or Wolverhampton!
 
 Is it cos too few Irish made it across the Pennines, or is it cos 
 Yorkshire
 folk are more interested in making money than music?  or am I missing
 something?
 
 *As usual there was a Leeds flag flying proud at most stages.  Favourite
 Glasto moment, asking at the Yorkie, Yorkshire pudding stand, do you do 
 one
 with a veggie sausage?  His mouth said sorry mate No, his eyes said fcuk 
 off
 you twat.
 
 ttfn
 
 Richard
 
 
 
 
 Ladies,
 
 Can I crave your indulgence for a short commercial break?
 
 Below is the link to the Kickstarter campaign for Dunstan's Bruce's film
 I Get
 Knocked Down about what happened to Chumbawamba when they
 accidentally had that hit single and what they tried to do once they 
 found
 themselves in that position!  The blurb in the KS campaign explains what
 Dunstan's hoping to do with the film so I won't blah on here.
 
 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dunstanbruce/i-get-knocked-down-
 the-untold-story-of-chumbawamba
 
 This is the follow up film to Dunst's epic about the Levellers: A 
 Curious
 Life.
 Dunst would more than likely be chuffed to buggery if you had a skeg at
 the
 page, and if you feel up to it, share it with as many people as possible
 and
 even contribute; that would be lovely! All help on all fronts is most
 gratefully received.
 
 There's also a web page at http://www.igetknockeddown.com/ and the usual
 twitter and Facebook things (you know what to do)
 
 My recollections of the band are that they were always loveable, but
 that's
 because they had the sense to check out Armley (and I don't mean the
 Castle).  Dunstan is also looking for any guff anyone might have from the
 band's history the contact email for that is:
 i...@igetknockeddown.com mailto:i...@igetknockeddown.com
 
 Commercial Break Over and back to that all important closed season.
 
 Betty
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Re: [LU] NON LU: Commercial Post Punk Break

[Nick Allen]

the Cribs

Sent from my iPad

 On 2 Jul 2015, at 16:56, Joe Skinner jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 Never liked Cud but saw the bridewells a few times.
 
 
 More cowbell needed on their BOC cover, though.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Sent from Windows Mail
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Matt Anderson
 Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎2‎ ‎July‎ ‎2015 ‎16‎:‎32
 To: Chris Nickson
 Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 
 
 
 
 
 Cud and the bridewell taxis!!!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 2 Jul 2015, at 14:48, Chris Nickson chrisnicks...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Fair enough, although I only went to the early 90s.
 
 Sent from my ayeayePhone
 
 On 2 Jul 2015, at 12:35, Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk 
 wrote:
 
 
 
 I didn't say massive, and you've missed out Alt-J, Utah Saints and Kaisers, 
 but look at Sheffield, Def Leppard, Pulp, Arctic Monkeys, ABC, Cabaret 
 Voltaire, Joe Cocker, Human League, Bruce Dickinson, LFO, Moloko?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Subject: Re: [LU] NON LU: Commercial Post Punk Break
 
 
 
 Arthur Brown, Christie, Delta 5, Mekons, Gang of 4, Sister of Mercy, Soft 
 Cell, The Mission, March Violets, Chumbawamba, Bolshoi, and that's just 
 taking us to the start of the 90s, and I've probably missed out a few. 
 Massive underepresentation?
 
 
 
 On 2 July 2015 at 11:49, Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk 
 wrote:
 
 actually this thread reminds me of a thought I was thinking while at Glasto*
 this year.  Why is Leeds so underrepresented in the Music business, forget
 about comparing it with London, Manchester or Liverpool, it's pretty
 underwhelming compared to Sheffield or Wolverhampton!
 
 Is it cos too few Irish made it across the Pennines, or is it cos Yorkshire
 folk are more interested in making money than music?  or am I missing
 something?
 
 *As usual there was a Leeds flag flying proud at most stages.  Favourite
 Glasto moment, asking at the Yorkie, Yorkshire pudding stand, do you do one
 with a veggie sausage?  His mouth said sorry mate No, his eyes said fcuk off
 you twat.
 
 ttfn
 
 Richard
 
 
 
 
 Ladies,
 
 Can I crave your indulgence for a short commercial break?
 
 Below is the link to the Kickstarter campaign for Dunstan's Bruce's film
 I Get
 Knocked Down about what happened to Chumbawamba when they
 accidentally had that hit single and what they tried to do once they found
 themselves in that position!  The blurb in the KS campaign explains what
 Dunstan's hoping to do with the film so I won't blah on here.
 
 https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dunstanbruce/i-get-knocked-down-
 the-untold-story-of-chumbawamba
 
 This is the follow up film to Dunst's epic about the Levellers: A Curious
 Life.
 Dunst would more than likely be chuffed to buggery if you had a skeg at
 the
 page, and if you feel up to it, share it with as many people as possible
 and
 even contribute; that would be lovely! All help on all fronts is most
 gratefully received.
 
 There's also a web page at http://www.igetknockeddown.com/ and the usual
 twitter and Facebook things (you know what to do)
 
 My recollections of the band are that they were always loveable, but
 that's
 because they had the sense to check out Armley (and I don't mean the
 Castle).  Dunstan is also looking for any guff anyone might have from the
 band's history the contact email for that is:
 i...@igetknockeddown.com mailto:i...@igetknockeddown.com
 
 Commercial Break Over and back to that all important closed season.
 
 Betty
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[LU] Fwd: Norwich

[Nick Allen]

C'mon Rich name one of the 11 who was better than Murphy last night...alright 
maybe I'll give you Byram and possibly Taylor, but apart from them...

Just a couple of points on last night:

It was pretty much evens until they scored, and then we went into melt down.

Norwich was pretty much a Premiership team...albeit a poor one

The second goal...the ball went out of play in the build up, it should never 
have stood.

Apart from Taylor's chance, we never looked like scoring.





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 From: Richard walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
 Date: 14 April 2015 20:40:39 BST
 To: David W davidwool...@gmail.com
 Cc: leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton
 
 Some bloke called Gnoyi or someat like that is playing He's shit.
 Philips dropped after scoring on his home debut. Maybe some of us do know 
 best?
 They've just missed a pen. 
 Beccho nowhere to be seen - great move that was for the lad. 
 Luke Murphy is a toilet.
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
 On 14 Apr 2015, at 17:42, David W davidwool...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Any learned listers heading Charlton way on Saturday? Are list meets a
 thing any more? Charlton always a good day out with a nice river pub crawl.
 
 Wiggy and Dodgy Matt both sloped off to the West Indies to launch their pop
 careers, so some usual suspects will be absent.
 
 Al E, you heading along?
 
 Cheers,
 
 David
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[LU] Mystery man

[Nick Allen]

Amusingly our paper doesn't list Morrison on the team sheet, instead there is 
someone called Nirusib.

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Re: [LU] Blackburn report

[Nick Allen]

Tend to agree with much Dave says.

Let's have the penalty incident right as it appeared to those of us in the 
ground (not saying Dave's wrong). Our corner from the right, over by Murphy, 
bit of head tennis, it's cleared up field, the game goes on, the ball goes into 
touch and the referee runs back 40 yards to see what the linesman is waving his 
flag about. We all thought it must be one of those corners that had bent out of 
play before coming back in...hence requiring that we all go back for a dead 
ball. Because there had been no visible casualties, no one on the ground, no 
appeal from Blackburn players (and trust me they were after the ref for 
everything), but no, he tells the ref something...which eventually gets Austin 
sent-off. One of the weirdest sendings off I've ever seen.

From then on a balanced but dull game ran away from us, some suicidal defending 
from Bellusci and later Cooper did for us. They got 3; hit the woodwork 3 
times; and Silvestri made a couple of belting saves.

But what's this rumour that Antenucci is on a contract that eventually 
penalises us if he scores too many goals...can that be right? With Leeds Utd 
possibly. It is the only reason on gods green earth that Morrison was selected 
ahead of him yesterday...and that allegedly Thompson got suspended for telling 
somebody that him and Redfearn's pick the team and they want Antenucci in there 
whatever the contracts say. None of this can be right can it...?

Very despondent after that second half yesterday and with the club in general.

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 On 4 Apr 2015, at 20:27, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote:
 
 Not really sure what to say about today. Before the game we were talking 
 about Thompson, Redfearn, Antenucci and Red Bull. We agreed that if Thompson 
 was sacked for 'not being effective' it was harsh to say the least. If it 
 means Redders leaving then my mates were happy enough with that. The 
 Antenucci thing, as I pointed out, was a typical contract thing - I recall 
 going on the ER tour run by John McLelland and he told about himself winning 
 6 man of the match awards in 7 games and getting dropped , it turned out that 
 the team he was at had to pay £20k to his old team if he played 10games and 
 since promotion was not on the cards they did not want to pay it. So given 
 where we are in the League it makes some sense not to play Antenucci. As for 
 Red Bull, my only concern is will they honour my 20yrST? Overall we were 
 happy with RB but it would depend on how much they want to change things - 
 Red Bull of Leeds and and a new kit, no thanks. Leeds United sponsored by 
 Red Bull - yes please.As for LLTP or whatever the latest fans group is called 
 , of the 6 of us, all dyed in the wool, long time season ticket holders, not 
 one of us said we would pay £10 let alone £100 to put a 'fan' on the board.We 
 were also a bit unsure as to the Chris and Kevin stuff and this when 2 of the 
 lads actually knew one of them and went to Lloyds for the 'memorial' session. 
 I really do not want to upset anyone and I refuse to go to Turkey because of 
 it all, but I think it is a part of our history that we should all be aware 
 of but should not be marked every yearSo on to the game - what a waste of 
 time, a totally forgettable first half followed by total capitulation in the 
 second.We were slightly the better team for 40mins but did not really do much 
 and never really caused them any problems but they did have one chance that 
 hit the woodwork. I know it is hard for Redfearn but what was the point of 
 todays line up? Why did Dawson  Phillips not start ? We have 6 or so games 
 to go, games that are all pointless, so lets find out who is good enough ? Is 
 Dawson, who is the stand out player for the u21 Development squad , robust 
 and physical enough for this league ? Can Phillips cut it at this level and 
 why no Del Fabro or Montenegro ?We all knew after 5 minutes that this game 
 was a waste of time really and would tell us nothing. Even if by some fluke 
 Morison gets a goal, is there anyone who thinks he will go on a run and get 5 
 in the next 5 and start next season on fire?Whatever, the crowd had a good 
 silence for Kevin and Chris and got behind both Redfearn and Thompson without 
 slagging off Cellino or anyone else.We watched the game for 30 minutes with 
 nothing to excite or worry us. then came the defining moment. No-one round me 
 had a clue what had happened but suddenly the ref, with no one surrounding 
 him and no one on the floor etc was waving a red card around. Who was it 
 aimed at, what had they done ? No-one knew until after a few minutes Austin 
 went off down the tunnel. Was the ref right or wrong ? No idea and nor had 
 anyone near meWhatever, we saw out the last few minutes of the half, glad to 
 do so and thinking Redders had 20minutes to plan things and to, hopefully, 
 prove that stupid and false adage it is harder to play agianst 10 than 11 
 true. But he didn't