Re: [LU] Exciting Matches in Euros

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 Kevin,
You are absolutely correct. Even with the clock winding down to stoppage time 
at Wembley, with us a goal behind, we were somnambulantly walking the ball out 
of defence. Appalling but not surprising from Farke.
Cheers!
Sean
On Wednesday, June 19, 2024 at 11:23:55 AM EDT, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist 
 wrote:   

 Just watched another enthralling game where an unfancied team, in this case
Albania defended AND ATTACKED as though their lives depended on it.

Such a contrast between them and other so-called minnows such as Georgia
and Slovenia compared to Leeds meek performance at Wembley in a game
arguably as important.

To see team get the ball and players forward, desperate to force something
to happen is just what used to make our football so much more exciting then
the version Leeds played at Wembley. Knocking the ball aimlessly about,
getting up to the other team’s  box and then going back to halfway and
further, rather than getting players and the ball into threatening areas.

Leeds were a tidy team all season, but rarely showed that drive.

KOT


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Re: [LU] Championship

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 I'm mystified by the view that failing to get promotion (despite all but 
guaranteeing to the board that he would get promotion, according to Phil Hay) 
but getting 90 points means it's "nonsense" to suggest another manager might do 
better than Farke. I see a manager who talks a great game but:
- cannot use the players at his disposal to our best advantage. This is most 
obvious when we need a goal, but instead of moving the ball quickly up the 
pitch, our players, presumably at the insistence of their manager, patiently 
wait for the opposition to get set in their deep block before moving the ball 
up the field. This is despite having maybe the fastest player in the division 
in Dan James in the squad, along with other fast runners/good dribblers in 
Summerville, Gnonto and Anthony. I want to hurl my coffee mug through the TV 
screen when I see us ponderously pass it back and forth between Ampadu and 
Rodon, then slowly up to about halfway into the opposition half, before 
pausing, and passing it slowly all the way back to Meslier, who then launches 
it up to the halfway line, where the opposition wins it. That's awful football 
to watch, and it doesn't get us enough goals. We need a manager, or at least a 
complete tactical overhaul that moves the ball with faster passing to unhinge 
defences before they get a chance to fully park the bus.
- cannot coach set pieces to save his life (or job). I don't think we scored 
from a free kick in the entire regular season. I'm struggling to think of any 
from corners (maybe Rutter at Leicester, after Byram's header cannoned off the 
bar). 
- cannot change tactics mid-game when it's required. He was out-thought three 
times this season by Russell Martin, a much less experienced manager.
- hasn't got the balls to make substitutions early enough to give the team the 
best chance of winning. And then when he does make the changes, all he can 
think to do is pack the XI with as many attackers as possible, which worked 
once - away at Norwich - and never again. What would have happened yesterday if 
we'd brought Dan James on at halftime yesterday? 
- is too loyal to the players who cost a lot of money. I cannot understand what 
he has against Mateo Joseph, but it is inexplicable to me that the one player 
we know is good enough to score against a Premier League defence this season 
(as opposed to in 2020-21) was given a few token minutes at the end, and as 
usual in those few minutes looked sharper and more committed than Piroe has 
done most of the season. 
So yes, Farke got 90 points. But we lost. We did not get promoted. He was given 
a team packed with international experience and effervescent youthful talent 
and yet was beaten to the automatic places by a manager who'd never managed 
above the third tier of English football. So I'm not convinced that something 
similar won't happen next season. Yes, the three clubs coming down seem weak, 
but that's because we're looking at how they got heavily beaten repeatedly in 
the Premier League (like we did). They'll have bigger parachute payments next 
season than we will, and may come again. Maybe another young manager like 
McKenna will announce himself next season. We need a born winner, not some 
yesterday's man.
Cheers!
Sean
On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 09:12:40 AM EDT, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
 wrote:   

 Yep, been to 4 ‘finals’ now with Leeds and have yet to see us score. I can’t 
be doing that any more. Combined with whole shithousery that being in London 
and Wembley just is. 

Still it was nice to see a few familiar faces in some pub in Marylebone.

Southampton have us properly figured out this season. Sharp attacks, good 
finisher, and then a bus parked across the back. Some of their tackling was 
borderline, to say the least. But they knew they needed to keep Gnonto, 
Summerville and Rutter quiet and the rest would take care of itself. They only 
wobbled those few times when we upped the tempo, and brought a little chaos to 
things - mainly around Dan James - up to that point Firpo had been just about 
our best attacking threat. Kamara, is half a midfielder - he does the defensive 
stuff fine, but he is gash at going forward - Batty, Dacourt, Philips all knew 
a good forward pass when it presented itself. This is one of the reasons Archie 
must be midfield regular next season.

The idea of replacing Farke is nonsense. That points tally is a record for not 
achieving promotion. 

Massively fucked off on the game, but the longer outcome is not so bad, 
supposing we keep a decent core of these players, and the finances are not shot 
to shit by this failure to get promoted, as is being mooted in some places.

Nick


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> wrote:
> 
>  It was interesting arriving at Baker Street - the Globe was packed and the 
> atmosphere frantic with the expectation levels high. Couldn't get a drink so 
> went over the road to the Soton pub and in 

Re: [LU] 32 years ago today...

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 I remember traveling through Cairo in October 1997 in a cab, hanging out the 
window with my shortwave radio aerial extended - at grave risk to all 
pedestrians' eyesight - listening to Leeds 4 - Newcastle 1.
Good times.
Cheers!
Sean
On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 07:22:11 AM EDT, Robert Heath 
 wrote:  
 
 I was walking along a filled-in canal in Maadi (Cairo) with a trannie tuned
to the BBC World Service pressed to my ear.

On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 10:06 AM James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> I well remember this day 32 years ago.
> Leeds United went to Sheffield United on the morning of Sunday, 26 April
> 1992 and ultimately won the league in an extraordinary game. The winning
> goal's last three touches were the home team's, such was the chaotic nature
> of the contest. No Leeds United player touched the ball in our attacking
> half in its build-up.
>
> Extended highlights (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjWzXdPO9uE) of the
> game exist on YouTube for those who are sufficiently interested. Jon
> Newsome wrote himself into the annals of the club's history with his
> stooped goal to put us back on level terms in a see-saw game. Our first
> goal was also an OG. Upon recent review of the game, I thought it quite an
> entertaining contest. Such wonderful times but we also knew that we might
> never see these days again.
> The game was on BBC or ITV but I was down with my prospective in-laws that
> morning and couldn't catch the game anywhere.  I was able to tune into
> BBC5Live (formerly BBC2) radio and catch updates - reception was usually
> poor in a standard car radio of the time.  I recall exactly where I was
> when the winning goal went in, or when I heard about it, passing the old
> dump outside the town of Kilrush in West Clare.
> A time before pervasive mobile phone, always-on internet and wall-to-wall
> Sky coverage was just starting out - I think one Leeds game was shown on
> the B(Sky)B platform that season.
> Manchester United went to Liverpool later that afternoon and lost 2-0.
> This meant that Leeds United were now four points ahead of their deadliest
> rivals with a single game to go. CHAMPIONS.
> I was offered a trip over for the last game of the season against Norwich
> where the championship trophy would be presented to the team and crowd,
> Saturday, 2 May 1992. The offer was made in the week leading up to the
> Sheffield United game. I declined the opportunity, much to my subsequent
> chagrin. The person who offered me the trip finished up in Howard
> Wilkinson's office that evening and got a picture of himself with the
> trophy.
> HW remains the last English-born manager to lead a team to the top-tier
> football championship in England.
> James.
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Re: [LU] 32 years ago today...

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 I was on a work trip to Fort Irwin, California, that week, and took a few days 
off to visit my old college roommate Steve in Hollywood, California, that 
weekend. (He's a movie business journalist - now runs American Cinematographer 
magazine.) Of course, there was no Internet back then, so I relied on the old 
reverse-charges phone call to my folks (then in Dublin, Ireland) that day to 
see how the games had gone. I was amazed that we had won the title - it just 
seemed surreal. In those days LA had fantastic newsstands with papers from all 
over the world, so I had to wait a couple of days until all the British papers 
showed up with the banner headlines about us being champions. That's when it 
really became real to me. (I think I still have the papers somewhere.)
Hard to imagine it ever happening again, I'm afraid.
Cheers!
Sean
On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 05:06:52 AM EDT, James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via 
Leedslist  wrote:  
 
 I well remember this day 32 years ago.
Leeds United went to Sheffield United on the morning of Sunday, 26 April 1992 
and ultimately won the league in an extraordinary game. The winning goal's last 
three touches were the home team's, such was the chaotic nature of the contest. 
No Leeds United player touched the ball in our attacking half in its build-up. 

Extended highlights (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjWzXdPO9uE) of the game 
exist on YouTube for those who are sufficiently interested. Jon Newsome wrote 
himself into the annals of the club's history with his stooped goal to put us 
back on level terms in a see-saw game. Our first goal was also an OG. Upon 
recent review of the game, I thought it quite an entertaining contest. Such 
wonderful times but we also knew that we might never see these days again.
The game was on BBC or ITV but I was down with my prospective in-laws that 
morning and couldn't catch the game anywhere.  I was able to tune into BBC5Live 
(formerly BBC2) radio and catch updates - reception was usually poor in a 
standard car radio of the time.  I recall exactly where I was when the winning 
goal went in, or when I heard about it, passing the old dump outside the town 
of Kilrush in West Clare.
A time before pervasive mobile phone, always-on internet and wall-to-wall Sky 
coverage was just starting out - I think one Leeds game was shown on the 
B(Sky)B platform that season.
Manchester United went to Liverpool later that afternoon and lost 2-0. This 
meant that Leeds United were now four points ahead of their deadliest rivals 
with a single game to go. CHAMPIONS.
I was offered a trip over for the last game of the season against Norwich where 
the championship trophy would be presented to the team and crowd, Saturday, 2 
May 1992. The offer was made in the week leading up to the Sheffield United 
game. I declined the opportunity, much to my subsequent chagrin. The person who 
offered me the trip finished up in Howard Wilkinson's office that evening and 
got a picture of himself with the trophy.
HW remains the last English-born manager to lead a team to the top-tier 
football championship in England.
James.
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Re: [LU] Sunderland

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 Paul,
None of that matters if we don't get promoted. Next season we'll have a weaker 
squad (we're constantly being told that we're going to have to sell if we don't 
go up), a smaller budget (smaller parachute payment in the second season down) 
and have to compete with three clubs coming down who have larger parachute 
payments. Farke has managed a lot of stuff well, but being third best in the 
league counts for nothing. (If Ampadu writes an autobiography, he might title 
it "You Get Nowt for Coming Third.")
Maybe my definition of "car crash" in this context is different from some other 
people's. To me "close but no cigar" in the Championship for Leeds United is a 
car crash. Same with the 2000-2001 season in the Premier League - a lot of good 
football, but ultimately failed to win anything or finish in the Champions 
League places, which triggered a near-fatal decline. I remember walking out of 
the pub (in the British Embassy, no less) after watching the home draw with 
ManU with a sick feeling in my stomach about how the two dropped points - 
thanks to the ref - might cos us. (Little did I know how much!) In other words, 
I hate almost winning. It's victory or nothing.
Again, I cannot decide whether Farke is a good manager, or just blessed with a 
terrific squad. 
To the folks who replied to my email:
- Did you agree with Farke's team selection?- Did you seriously think Farke got 
the timing of the subs right yesterday?- Were you happy with the way we allowed 
Sunderland to get set every time before we attacked them?- Did you enjoy 
watching players turn and pass back to Ampadu and Rodon, and then watch them 
pass between themselves?- Did you agree with the favoring of playing down the 
left rather than the right for the vast majority of attempted attacks?
If Jesse Marsch had been stood in the dugout instead of Farke, I can only 
imagine the howls of indignation that performance would have provoked.
Cheers!
Sean

On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 08:49:39 AM EDT, Paul Cundell 
 wrote:  
 
 Have you been watching the same season as me?
"One long slow motion car crash"?
We're UNBEATEN at home and we've lost ONCE this year.
We've got 87 points and the manager you're so angry at masterminded that.
A car crash was Jesse Marsch.
A car crash was all Orta's release clauses being triggered in August.
This is quite possibly the rarest of seasons where the third place team
could end up on over 100 points.
SMFH.
Marching On TOGETHER!
Paul


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leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  You're absolutely right. I haven't been this angry at a Leeds manager in
> some time. What the hell is he telling the players? We have two of the most
> devastating wingers in the league, including (possibly) the fastest winger
> (fastest player?) in the division in Dan James. At no point during
> yesterday's game did the team move the ball to those players EARLY, to
> allow them to exploit the space in front of them. Again and again and again
> - so often that it MUST be based on orders from Farke, when the opportunity
> for a fast break beckoned, the ball was passed sideways back and forth
> between the centre-halves so that the opposition could get themselves set
> before we tried to move down the field. It was absolutely maddening.
> It wasn't just Archie, Dan James was asking for the ball in space and
> never getting it until he had two defenders on him. The whole tactical
> approach seemed designed to negate our own strengths (think of all the
> terrific goals we scored earlier in the season from fast breaks out of
> defence). Even as the clock ticked down, our fullbacks and midfielders were
> still turning on their heels and passing it back to Rodon and Ampadu, who
> would then pass it sideways, as if we were protecting a lead rather than
> trying to score. There was a complete lack of hunger and desire evident.
> And then there's Farke's inexplicable (and inexcusable) decision to delay
> bringing on most of the subs until the 82nd minute. What on earth was he
> thinking? We had no spark on the field, looked tired and uninterested, and
> we had Gnonto, Joseph and Anthony stewing on the bench. If ever a
> collective performance was calling for wholesale changes at halftime or
> shortly thereafter, it was yesterday's. I shudder to think of Farke going
> up against some of the managers in the Premier League. Like a lot of
> managers, he comes across well in press conferences, and I acknowledge that
> the EFL (deliberately, in my opinion) made his job harder at the start of
> the season by taking much longer than normal to approve the takeover. And
> of course we have had some terrible refereeing decisions - yesterday being
> exhibit A in this regard. But Farke has an extraordinary squad at this
> level, packed with current interna

Re: [LU] Sunderland

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 You're absolutely right. I haven't been this angry at a Leeds manager in some 
time. What the hell is he telling the players? We have two of the most 
devastating wingers in the league, including (possibly) the fastest winger 
(fastest player?) in the division in Dan James. At no point during yesterday's 
game did the team move the ball to those players EARLY, to allow them to 
exploit the space in front of them. Again and again and again - so often that 
it MUST be based on orders from Farke, when the opportunity for a fast break 
beckoned, the ball was passed sideways back and forth between the centre-halves 
so that the opposition could get themselves set before we tried to move down 
the field. It was absolutely maddening.
It wasn't just Archie, Dan James was asking for the ball in space and never 
getting it until he had two defenders on him. The whole tactical approach 
seemed designed to negate our own strengths (think of all the terrific goals we 
scored earlier in the season from fast breaks out of defence). Even as the 
clock ticked down, our fullbacks and midfielders were still turning on their 
heels and passing it back to Rodon and Ampadu, who would then pass it sideways, 
as if we were protecting a lead rather than trying to score. There was a 
complete lack of hunger and desire evident. 
And then there's Farke's inexplicable (and inexcusable) decision to delay 
bringing on most of the subs until the 82nd minute. What on earth was he 
thinking? We had no spark on the field, looked tired and uninterested, and we 
had Gnonto, Joseph and Anthony stewing on the bench. If ever a collective 
performance was calling for wholesale changes at halftime or shortly 
thereafter, it was yesterday's. I shudder to think of Farke going up against 
some of the managers in the Premier League. Like a lot of managers, he comes 
across well in press conferences, and I acknowledge that the EFL (deliberately, 
in my opinion) made his job harder at the start of the season by taking much 
longer than normal to approve the takeover. And of course we have had some 
terrible refereeing decisions - yesterday being exhibit A in this regard. But 
Farke has an extraordinary squad at this level, packed with current 
internationals and young talent being scouted by the world's richest clubs, and 
he's coming up third best in England's second tier. Last night was an absolute 
indictment.
This season has been one long slow-motion car crash. I told my friends and 
family before the season that my prediction was we would go out in the 
playoffs. Every game seems to be moving us closer to that inevitable outcome, 
and that's not good enough for Leeds United.
Cheers!
Sean






On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 05:43:51 AM EDT, Damian WALSH 
 wrote:  
 
 Don't get frustrated with Cree & (especially) Georgino losing the ball. A
mild grinding of teeth will have to do :)

If they're losing the ball then they're doing their job trying to provoke
something and we've got to accept that it doesn't come off every time.

However the number of times they lost the ball because they ran into each
other or another Leeds player (Firpo featured several times here) was
indeed annoying.

As for Gray - why wouldn't Rodon pass to him? Was it "instructions"?
Whatever, by half way through the 2nd half Sunderland were completely
ignoring him because they knew he wouldn't get the pass - it gave them an
extra man to crowd out the centre. Poor Gray spent most of the 2nd half
stood on his own, arms outstretched waiting for the ball that never came.
It's almost like Farke says "give it to Cree or Rutter lads and watch them
do something"...

Damian

Le mer. 10 avr. 2024 à 09:43, John Lee via Leedslist 
a écrit :

> I decided against commenting immediately Nick, because it was a pretty
> under-whelming display. Like you, I think the players look knackered, and
> have just lost their mojo. Summerville & Rutter have had some really
> ineffective moments, and I can’t deny how frustrating their constant losing
> the ball gets? I thought Ampadu and Rodon looked jiggered too last night. I
> actually thought Bamford looked pretty sprightly last night, despite that
> Pike-lookalikey clattering him repeatedly. Of course he never really looked
> like scoring though - I was willing him to get a couple, but aside from a
> rubbish shot he didn’t get much of a sniff. I don’t see him being a Leeds
> player next season, so really hope he can go out on something of a high and
> bag a couple soon.
>
> I thought we played so conservatively in the 1st Half by design - avoiding
> expending energy and not getting injuries so knock it around at the back
> and hope for a lucky break, which didn’t come. Second half we tried, but to
> give Scumderland credit, they defended well, and aided by a
> partially-sighted ref , they got what they came for?
>
> That point might be crucial at the end of the season though, so on we go.
>
> I will make the point that hitting an average run of 

Re: [LU] Fck

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 The next day one of the papers had the headline "A-Revie-derci." My dad had to 
explain the pun to me.
On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 03:48:58 AM EST, Robert Heath 
 wrote:  
 
 Me and two mates hitchhiked to Rome to watch England play Italy in a WC
Qualifier. Revie was the boss and the team he put out was a bit odd. IIRC
we had Brian Greenhoff & Trevor Cherry in midfield. But up front we had
Stan Bowles, and I remember walking through the streets of Rome singing "Oh
oh oh Stanley, Stanley, I'd walk a million miles for one of your goals oh
Stanley!" (WE'd actually hitched a thousand miles, obviously not far enough
b/c we didn't get one of his goals and we lost 2-0.)

On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 12:10 AM Damian WALSH 
wrote:

> Stan Bowles is dead!
>
> I'm very sorry for him, but me me me me my generation is almost all gone
> :0
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Re: [LU] Super Dave.

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 Yeah, I've been around since 1996 of '97 as well - definitely before MOALMUSA. 
(I realize this wasn't the question - I'm not one of the "originals.")
On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 10:28:30 PM EST, Mark Tuffey 
 wrote:  
 
 Me too, been around since about 1996/7. I think around the time Leeds toured 
the USA under Graham.
Cheers
Wiscoleeds



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While I have met very few of you I am still here!
Nick


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On Monday, January 8, 2024, 7:42 PM, Graham White via Leedslist 
 wrote:

How many of the old vax.ox.ac gang are still with us?
MOT
Graham WhiteMobile (Spain): (0034) 628 13 82 47
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are empty.The powerful wear costly clothing,Carry sharp swords,Pamper 
themselves with lavish food and drink,And possess riches in extravagance.These 
are not princes and lords.They are robber barons.
Lao Tse

    On Monday, 8 January 2024 at 13:23:29 CET, Nick Allen 
 wrote:

 Definitely in my thoughts, Scott.

Nick

> On 8 Jan 2024, at 11:17, Damian WALSH  wrote:
>
> I'd like to join you in that memory if I may.
>
> With thoughts also for Guy and the other listers who are no longer with
> us
>
> Damian
>
> Le lun. 8 janv. 2024 à 12:15, Scott1cairns1  a
> écrit :
>
>> Remembering David Dowden who passed away this day last  year.
>> Best regards,Scott.
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Re: [LU] Adultery

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 Betty,
Where are you seeing/hearing the stuff about him being with another player's 
wife? 
Cheers!
Sean
On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 03:12:35 PM EST, John Boocock 
 wrote:  
 
 The whole situation looks like the usual 'Pure Leeds' at first sight. However 
it appears that there is more than just the post match argy bargy about why 
such and such a player gets chosen over another or who refused to support 
whatever charity.

And now we hear that although Spurs may have received Spence back into the fold 
he has been transfer listed straight away. Why does nobody want him?

His history, apart from half a season with the Scabs does not suggest a team 
player. Mind you anyone who pisses off Colin Wanker can't be all that bad.

For Spence's part, he has remained schtum. Just check out his social media. 
Farke's presser was circumspect, and the official club line is 'thanks, all the 
best etc..' 

I think if it wasn't for FA Cup weekend, the opening of the transfer window and 
whatever new shit the Tories heap upon us, journos would have more to tell. 
Things will remain just rumours for now.

Long and the short of it is whatever the full tale is, it does allow us a free 
spot for another loanee who may or may not sort out our defensive left side 
issue.

Betty

P.S my spies however









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>Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2024 12:24:27 PM
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>Subject: [LU] Adultery
>
>Usual stuff. Player gone over side with another player's missus. Home you 
>go..
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Re: [LU] And that is why

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 My prediction since before the season began is that we'll lose in the 
playoffs. I've seen nothing to dissuade me of that.
I read yesterday that we haven't won when not wearing the white strip for one 
and a half years! We need to overcome that soon, or we have no hope.
Cheers!
Sean
On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 07:55:50 PM EST, Alec McQueen 
 wrote:  
 
 We are in no shape to be going up automatically. Best to hope for is a playoff 
place, and some luck in the playoffs… 

Sent from my iPad

> On 25 Nov 2023, at 09:38, John Boocock  wrote:
> 
> If you want to be upset find details about tonight's match. 
> Otherwise.
> 
> Betty
> 
> P.S. Cooper and Firpo are shite
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Re: [LU] Any reports on yesterday?

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 We only lost at Stoke because of the incomprehensible decision to allow 
Bamford to take that penalty. Almost certainly if Summerville or Rutter or 
Ampadu had taken it, we'd have scored and gone on to take three points. I have 
a sinking feeling that that one bizarre decision will cost us promotion.
Cheers!
Seam
On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 06:20:34 AM EDT, James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! 
via Leedslist  wrote:  
 
 Folks,
I "listened" to it on the WhatsApp group and on Twitter.
We are still finding out feet at this level.  We lose at Stoke and then batter 
Huddersfield a few days later - both teams in the lower reaches of the division.
James.
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Re: [LU] NON-LU - Michael Benjamin?

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 I too was wondering how he was doing. Thanks for reaching out to him confirm.
Cheers!
Sean

On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 04:58:16 AM EDT, Steve Gillen 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi all..

I wrote to Mike on Saturday evening enquiring after his situation and that of 
his family and close friends. He replied the next day that he is ok and that he 
and his family are not in Gaza and for the moment quite safe. He had his 
standard, and in the circumstances quite understandable, short rant about the 
situation, and more personally how he finds it difficult and embarrassing 
interacting with his Arab secretary, whom he likes and respects a great deal. 
He was comforted by the fact that people outside of his locality are moved to 
show concern for him. He also mentioned that he saw Saturdays game and still 
thinks we are not good enough, but a win is still a win 路‍♂️

With permission, I shall let Mike know people here have been asking after his 
safety.

Steve Gillen

> On 10 Oct 2023, at 03:43, Peter Castlehouse  wrote:
> 
> It's been a few days since the chaos in Israel started, and I would presume
> that communications channels would be severely compromised throughout
> Israel, but the lack of news about Michael Benjamin's welfare is deafening.
> 
> 
> 
> Michael, if this gets through to you, please let us know if you're okay?
> 
> And, if anyone has any updates, I for one would appreciate anything!
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Peter C
> the old un'
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Return to Yesteryear

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 The thing that frustrated me about Farke yesterday was his refusal to make any 
attacking subs, on what was clearly quite a warm afternoon when we were having 
trouble breaking down their defence. We had Poveda, Joseph and Gelhardt on the 
bench. Surely a couple of them should have come on halfway through the second 
half to give Wednesday's defenders something different to think about?
Cheers!
Sean
On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 03:11:29 PM EDT, Richard Walker via 
Leedslist  wrote:  
 
 Happy Birthday year John.
I bet you didn’t enjoy that too much though ? I spent the best part of 3 hours 
driving due to train strikes to watch this shambles then sat in the East Stand 
facing the sun and sweating like a pig.Yes it’s early days and you have to say 
that despite all the upheaval we’ve been the best team in every game even 
against Brum where we had a severely weakened team. However, today was severely 
shite and we just failed to break down a team full of big lumps despite having 
a lot of good chances.The tactics were dodgy. We needed a striker so we bought 
a proven 20+ goals a season striker,, who scored on his debut and then we 
played him today in midfield behind Rutter? Ok, it didn’t work but why not 
change it during the game ? Poor management from Farke. Players playing out of 
position again. Shack did everything you could have expected of him as a left 
back but he isn’t ! Why did we not sign a left back ?I watched Ruttter closely 
today and he fluffed our two best chances but apart from that he likes to lack 
any positional sense and us balance when he runs is all over the place. He’s a 
real concern for me cos he’s a player with ability but one you know will never 
make the grade because he hasn’t got a footballing brain.
The defence worries me as well. Struijk struggled in the PL but I think he’s 
also struggling now and Im yet to be convinced by Robon.
The play from the back is laborious and reminds me of past times. Quite simply 
we’re not good enough to play theatre game yet.
Scores 
Meslier- 9 kept us in it  - they had a couple of really good chances
Ayling - 6. Missed a sited from 5 yards with his head but battled hard and 
tried to make things happen second half.
Shackleton- 8. Worked tirelessly with Willy all match. Just laughed at that 
sentence. I’m on on the Northern Monk !
Struijk - 6. Generally ok but lost out a few times.
Rodon - 6. Not sure , he’s certainly no Ben White
Gray - 5. I don’t think he does enough. I feel he could more and has the 
ability to do more. Lost possession in the middle of the park for one of their 
best chances. 
Ampadu - 6. I thought he did ok
Piroe - 4. Totally lost in midfield 
Summerville- 5. I’m his no 1 fan but he was all over the place today and aim 
not sure he knew what to do 
Gnonto - 8. Worked his socks off, always trying to get things going but he was 
a bit of a 1 man attack today .
Rutter - 4. Concerning performance- not a no 9, but what is he ?
Subs:
Price - 6. great last ditch tackle for his first touch. Didn’t look fit to me 
but he looks like he’s got potential 
Camara - looks like Dacourt. Hopefully as good. I think he touched the ball 
once.

Got to do bette than this and I think we will.







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On Saturday, September 2, 2023, 7:01 pm, N H  wrote:


A fine innings so far, Sir. Keep it up. Cheers!    On Saturday, September 2, 
2023 at 07:52:56 AM EDT, Brendan McWilliams  
wrote:  
 
 Happy Birthday John Boocock!

Have a(nother) great party!

All the best,

BMW


From: Leedslist  on behalf of James A. Lundon @ 
Yahoo! via Leedslist 
Sent: Saturday, September 2, 2023 1:08:04 PM
To: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Return to Yesteryear

John,
I thought you were 80 ;-).

James.
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From: John Boocock 
To: "leedslist@gn.apc.org" 
Subject: [LU] Return to Yesteryear
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As part of my 70th Birthday year celebrations (my family have insisted

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Re: [LU] Fwd: Cardiff

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 Cody Drameh can't get fit fast enough for me. Ayling has been a marvelous 
servant to the club, but he's no longer a good enough defender to start for a 
club aiming for promotion. We know for a fact (given his Luton experience last 
season) that Drameh is. I also couldn't understand Farke's decision to not 
start Poveda, who's been an absolute revelation during pre-season. I'd have 
gone with Sinisterra on the left, Summerville or Gelhardt behind Gnonto in the 
middle, and Poveda on the right. That attacking set up would get goals. Once 
the team's ahead and Cardiff have to chase the game, THEN you bring on James to 
exploit the space behind their defence. 
Cheers!
Sean
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 06:08:56 AM EDT, Nick 
 wrote:  
 
 Bit late to this, but yes, Dave, pretty much agree with that. 

Ayling and Cooper are creaking - despite Cooper’s cracking goal - for Cooper 
the judgement now is whether his undoubted leadership qualities makes up for 
the declining / limited qualities as a defender. Hjelde looked at sea as a left 
back. Dan James is fast and unguided - he doesn’t do enough with the ball once 
he has it, hopefully we will get a fit and engaged Harrison back soon

On the plusses though Cresswell and Byram came on and did well - Byram added 
some zip and confidence down the left. Looking forward to seeing what Drameh 
can bring as well - we might have a decent and young back five in a couple of 
weeks. I suspect it is not worth getting too hung up on Meslier, who I think is 
a fine young keeper but who is shell-shocked after the last 18 months behind 
our defence - the same could be said of Struijk - because who knows how long 
Meslier will remain at the club.

Gray and Ampadu were quality in the middle - Ampadu gets his foot in, and makes 
good use of the ball, while Gray looks very accomplished - hope his progress 
continues.

The kind of total football forward line of Sinisterra, Somerville and Gnonto 
(and James) where everyone doesn’t really have a position, but just roam and 
cause havoc where they can, really looks like a promising way forward…if we can 
keep everyone - or most of them given we have Jack H and Poveda - who came on 
and had a very effective 20 minutes or so - to factor in.

Promising indeed.

Nick







>> 
>> From: nattan--- via Leedslist > >
>> Subject: [LU] Cardiff
>> Date: 6 August 2023 at 19:52:54 BST
>> To: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> Reply-To: "nat...@sky.com " > >
>> 
>> " f off home and shag your sheep" chanted leeds fans at the end ( i make no 
>> comment re Yorkshire sheep shaggers ) and it made us laugh but at one point 
>> this song could easily have been booing the team off .
>> After 2 boring and pretty awful years in the Prem, this was a return to the 
>> championship and the madness that goes with it.
>> Pre game we all agreed that no predictions about the season coukd 
>> realistically be made till the window is shut, and  i stick with that view. 
>> Keep Summerville,  Sinisterra and Gnonto and add a good goalscorer/ no 9 and 
>> we can walk this league , lose those 3 and don't add to the squad and things 
>> will be tough.
>> Oversall we were streets ahead of cardiff as Ampadu and Gray bossed the 
>> midfield and the 3 lads up front tore holes through their defence.  This 
>> game could have been 3 or 4 nil and not flattered us.
>> However all our failings came back and it made even a point look dodgy for a 
>> long period.
>> We gave away 2 really soft goals, Hjelde proved he is not a left back and 
>> Ayling,  much as i love him, showed he is finished,  as we let them have the 
>> freedom of our last third of the pitch and our penalty area, so we were 
>> suddenly 2 down,  having nearly scored the goal of the season when Gnonto 
>> fired just over.
>> The good news,  Byram looked the part especially going forward , and we kept 
>> going right till the end and looked the fitter of the 2 teams 
>> So all in all 2 pts dropped or a point gained , take your pick, but it was 
>> fun. 
>> It was great to see a leeds team, once again,  wanting to keep the ball and 
>> pass it around and then the attacking flair of GSS up top was brilliant to 
>> watch. 
>> We will play much worse and win this season. 
>> Get a goal scorer and we will be fine if we can keep these players
>> Dave 
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Re: [LU] Twitter & Bamford

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Agreed. This is the one blot on Allardyce's copybook so far. This was pure 
management failure. It's completely within his control to decide who takes the 
penalties. It seems obvious to have a list of penalty takers in the first team 
squad, with any penalty to be taken by the highest on the list who's on the 
field at the time. That person should should not have been Bamford, whose 
confidence is clearly shot. Big Sam should have ensured that any penalty be 
taken by Rodrigo (if on the field), followed by (perhaps) Greenwood and/or 
Harrison and/or Gnonto. I know Sam's had a thousand things to fix in a very 
short space of time, but virtually any Leeds supporter could have told him 
Bamford shouldn't be taking that penalty.
Sean


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From: MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist 
To: n...@6haroldplace.co.uk ; bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Sent: Sun, May 14, 2023 2:06 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] Twitter & Bamford


I thought Bamford played well as well.  He will play next game as he's 
the only one we can aim for upfront in Allardyce's formation.

Think Big Sam should take some responsibility for the penalty - he's 
quoted as saying something like;

"I just left it as it was, if Rodrigo had wanted to take it he should 
have grabbed the ball"

I suspect Bamford was only on pens as Rodrigo hadnt been starting and if 
Big Sam is big into data as he says, he'd know that Bamfords record is 
poor from the spot

Matt

-- Original Message --
From: "John Lee via Leedslist" 
To: "n...@6haroldplace.co.uk" 
Cc: "Leeds List 2010" 
Sent: Sunday, 14 May, 23 At 18:15
Subject: Re: [LU] Twitter & Bamford
It has always been the case that we have a sizeable minority of utter 
scum as ‘fans’. The obsessional herd-hatred towards Bamford, Orta, 
Meslier, Rodrigo amongst others, coming mainly from grown men, makes you 
wonder just how damaged they are! Or just plain dumb!
Like you say Nick, it’s just football! There is no point in pretending 
they’re not football fans - they are, but irrational haters, and they 
need banning from Leeds United asap.


Sent from my iPad
On 14 May 2023, at 13:04, "n...@6haroldplace.co.uk" 
 wrote:

Can’t get my head round the “Leeds fans” on Twitter telling Bamford to 
top himself and wishing bad stuff on his family.
These daft bastards were also singing for Gary Speed during the match.
It is a game of football.
Nick
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Re: [LU] Match v " team of weirdos "

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It's true that "our subs made us worse," but I think it's equally true that Man 
U's subs made them better (in each game), or at least relatively better than us 
in the latter stages of each game. This is simply down to the financial 
disparity between the two clubs, which is compounded by our injuries. Robles, 
Kristensen and Aaronson aside, our bench was just kids. I saw some supporters 
criticizing Skubala for taking Bamford and Harrison off, but I presume he did 
that because he knew they were knackered (coaches these days having so much 
data at their fingertips telling them exactly how many thousand meters each 
player can run before his levels drop). The simple fact is that not only did we 
have nobody on the bench to change things, we didn't even have players on the 
bench who could do the same things at the same level as the players we took 
off. That's why in a game like this, when the opposition will use their wallet 
to bludgeon us late in the game, we need to have given ourselves a cushion when 
it's first XI vs first XI. For me, the game turned on Summerville's miss in the 
first five minutes. Put that away and we might at least have gained a point.
Cheers!
Sean


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Sent: Mon, Feb 13, 2023 6:10 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Match v " team of weirdos "

I think he has done well in these two games . We definitely have more structure 
and shape and certainly haven’t given up as many big chances after losing the 
ball like we did under Marsch.
On the other hand, we failed to cope when the scum changed tactics and our subs 
made us worse. This was all too familiar under Marsch.
My worry would be that he lacks the experience and know how to go up against 
other managers in the key games we’ve got coming up.
The bloke that was sacked at Ajax though looks a nightmare. Won the league at 
Club Brugge, but they always win the Belgian league. Think one team pub league 
like Scotland and Austria. He managed to alienate the players and fans at Ajax 
and led them to their worst start to a season in years. He sounds like another 
Marsch, all excuses and talk about how he’s pleased with the progress etc.
So if it’s a choice between him and Skoobs, I’d keep Skoobs.
Hopefully though, the geniuses running the club have got someone better lined 
up.
On recent track record though I’m not confident!
Marsch should have gone after the Fulham game but them waiting for so long has 
made it harder to recruit a new manager and cost us points.

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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2023 11:00:54 AM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: Re: [LU] Match v " team of weirdos "

Just to be clear - I was not implying that Dave or anyone on the list is
writing Skoobs off.  I am just curious to know whether we think he has
done enough already to justify waiting a bit longer to get someone or
rushing to get anyone with first team experience.


On 13 Feb 2023 12:50, Greg Adams wrote:
>
> /On 13 Feb 2023 12:23, nattan--- via Leedslist wrote:/
>
> /Let's get the new manager in quickly and hope he us the right man,
> this team could be decent /
>
>
> Are we writing off Skoobs already? I thought the last two games showed
> immense improvement in tactics, style and shape when defending.  For
> me the key thing to get right now is the right man for the job.  Get
> the wrong guy, and it's back to the drawing board.  This guy who Ajax
> fired a couple of weeks ago looks like a disaster waiting to happen
> judging from the comments I read from Ajax fans / dutch supporters. I
> would be happy to go with Skoobs for a while if it means waiting for
> the best guy for us.
>
>
>
>> As the chant went " follow follow follow, you're a team of f@cking
>> weirdos, Ronaldo's a rapist, greenwoods a rapist and Scholes just
>> loves to suck toes"Made me laugh even if none of them actually play.
>> Very low key police presence at Piccadilly early on, and only a
>> handful of fans on our train, met by a handful of coppers at Leeds.
>> Then massed ranks of police at the barrier and even stranger ( I
>> wondered for a second if the pub had been given to them) 5 vans and
>> 15 or so police outside the west Ridings.  This was the scum
>> game.Team news was as expected but the bench showed how we are
>> suffering yet again with injuries as Gyabi, Monteiro, Joseph and
>> Mullen all made the bench. Not much there if we needed a boost.
>> At the bus queue my lad got into it with some knob ( unfortunately
>> not the only one as it turned out) who sang the runway song, then
>> after my lads comment, tried to double and triple down with version
>> of Daisy daisy and the laughing policeman ( not putting words on
>> here) - no one joined in as we berated him , his " excuse" one of
>> them was buried in a cemetery near him and it got attention. What a
>> dick. He later 

Re: [LU] Scum

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I think the issue of crisp, accurate passing is probably where our 0 to 30 
million pound players were slightly outshone by their 30 to 80 million pound 
players, something that we were largely able to compensate for with effort and 
aggression. Where it cost us most was in the final third. Too often we got into 
promising positions only to make a hasty, misplaced pass leading to the move 
breaking down. Harrison was a leading culprit but there were others.
The game swung away from us in the second half because of their relatively 
deeper squad, something exacerbated by our two enforced substitutions in the 
first quarter of the game, meaning that as our players tired in the latter 
stages ManU were able to use their deeper bench (i.e. deeper pockets) to take 
advantage. We threw on our most expensive signing (Rutter) and they threw on 
their fourth-most expensive signing (Sancho), who cost more than twice what 
Rutter cost and scored the equalizer. 
I was enormously proud of the way the entire team and stand-in coaching staff 
approached the game and performed on the night. Roll on Sunday.
-Original Message-
From: Ciaran Diver 
To: Richard Walker 
Cc: LEEDSLIST 
Sent: Fri, Feb 10, 2023 8:26 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Scum

Agreed, he's what we need at the back in terms of leadership and I can see
a big improvement in Koch since Wober went in alongside him. But I think I
counted 7 poor passes from him the last night where he either passed
straight to one of them or left it short (like the one near the end where
Firpo conceded a free - that was totally on the pass from Wober). But as
you say, we're better with him in there and hopefully the passing improves.

On Fri, Feb 10, 2023 at 1:01 PM Richard Walker 
wrote:

> Ciaran, you are spot on and I think in my defence the euphoria of the
> point and 2 goals got the better of me. I do remember one occasion when
> Wober tried to dribble out of defence and I think that led to one of their
> best chances.
> Despite that, I do think his introduction to the back four is a step
> change … a bit like when Pontus came along and I don’t mind all the fist
> waving and chest pumping- long may it continue.
>
> I’m still giving him a 9 though !
>
>
>
> On Friday, February 10, 2023, 12:27 pm, Ciaran Diver <
> ciarandi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Rich, normally I agree with your reports and who you identify as playing
> well or poorly but just on Wober, you gave him 10 for Wednesday and say it
> was possibly the best defensive display since Radebe et al? He certainly
> put his body on the line and got some great blocks in but what about the
> number of times he gave the ball away putting us under pressure? I thought
> his distribution was very poor at times and whilst they didn't lead to a
> goal, there were a number of times where his poor pass could have resulted
> in a goal. He looked good with his fist pumping but I'm not convinced when
> he is on the ball personally. Hopefully he will settle down with more game
> time.
>
> Ciaran
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2023 14:57:47 + (UTC)
> From: Richard Walker 
> To: Leeds List 
> Subject: [LU] Scum
> Message-ID: <1318186895.3957134.1675954667...@mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> I think I aged a few (more) years after watching the game last night. When
> we went 2 up I was counting down the seconds til the end. My Apple watch
> heart monitor was interesting.
> I thought it was a great, battling display and our midfield and defence for
> most of the game stood up to continuos pressure. Wober was superb, possibly
> the best defensive display I've seen in a white shirt since the days of
> Radebe, Woodgate and co. Koch was equally impressive at times but just
> didn't do enough to put Rashford off for the goal, he needed to do that.
> Luke Ayling was immense. He's my captain for the rest of the season, no
> argument. People saying he's finished and not premier league, well last
> night he had a very, youthful and skillful prospect in Garnacho in his
> pocket. Ayling was almost out on his feet at the end but I don't blame him
> given the effort he put in. Only thing that was missing was the 30 yarder
> in the top corner which he did try and repeat.
> The midfield was also a massive improvement. Adams and Mckennie weren't
> pretty but both did a job and you didn't see Scum easily progressing
> through our midfield as they and other teams have done in the past. People
> saying Mckennie looked off the pace, but I didn't see that. Ok, not
> everything came off but he was effective and contributed more in 94 mins
> than Roca has all season. For a fat lad, he covered a lot of ground. Just
> wait until we get him onteh Slimfast. No way back for the lacklustre Roca
> IMO now.
> Up front, what a brilliant start from Gnonto, I was up out of my chair
> dancing around the room. I wasn't upset to see Sinistera go off and be
> replaced by Jimmy. He was lively and as runnign everywhere. I don't think
> he's 

Re: [LU] Meslier - Spurs

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I think your last sentence, at least, is correct. A huge underreported (by Phil 
Hay, Graham Smyth, etc.) dynamic is what impact the takeover agreement (but not 
an actual takeover) by the 49ers investment vehicle has had on our transfer 
business. As far as I can see, and I've read nothing to dissuade me of this, 
the effect has been to convince Radrizzani that every penny he spends from now 
on is a penny less profit he gains once the sale goes through,which thereby 
disincentivizes him to spend any money at all. I suspect that's why we ended up 
with Willy Gnonto (who I like) instead of CDK.


-Original Message-
From: Simon McNally via Leedslist 
To: Nicholas Armit ; Leeds List 2010 ; 
n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
Sent: Sun, Nov 13, 2022 1:39 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] Meslier - Spurs

Agree.
Take the first Bournemouth goal the other week. They double up on Struijk, 
which draws Cooper across , which means Koch has to cover Cooper’s man, which 
leaves Rasmus covering two players. He opts for covering Moore and the spare 
man scores.
You can blame individual errors but this kind of thing happens multiple times 
every game and it’s a matter of when, not if, we’ll concede.
We are also terrible in the defensive transition. Look how many times an 
opposition attack begins with us losing the ball high up the pitch. One ball 
over the top and they’re in on goal.
Again, if it happens once you think player error but if it keeps happening you 
think tactics / set up.
I think you can think the board should have signed more players, especially 
left back and centre back, and question the tactics Marsch employs.
That’s where I’m at - I think he’s lucky to have got the Leeds job and even 
luckier to still have it.
The squad needs investment in Jan but I’m not convinced the board will spend 
any money unless the Americans take over.

Simon

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Nicholas Armit via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2022 5:56:58 PM
To: Leeds List 2010 ; n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 

Subject: Re: [LU] Meslier - Spurs

I wasn't meaning to blame Meslier. I blame the tactics, massive holes 
everywhere. Every game there are at last two/three situations where two people 
are just wide open at the far post or at the top of the box. And by wide open I 
mean 5/7 yards free.
Nick
    On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:23:31 PM EST, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
 wrote:


A good young keeper, behind a porous defence.

Nick


Sent from my iPad

> On 13 Nov 2022, at 17:18, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
>
> 
> 7 from 33 is a bad return
>
> Nick
>
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 10:58:35 AM EST, Nick 
>  wrote:
>
>
> Having just watched the MOTD playback, I just wanted to express some sympathy 
> for our Keeper, the records show he let 4 in, when in reality there was 
> nothing he could do about the first 3:
>
> 1 - a clear foul - that it is not even (apparently) looked at by VAR is 
> ludicrous, especially when you consider Bamford’s disallowed effort vs 
> Arsenal 3 weeks ago.
>
> 2 - having moved across the goal to cover the first effort, there is a 
> clearance that falls to some guy in 10 yards of space on the edge of the box, 
> his shot goes beyond Meslier, moving back across goal when Rasmus on the line 
> tries to clear it, kicks it into Meslier and that bounces into the goal
>
> 3 - a deflected shot (when the guy should been closed down again).
>
>
> Feel real sorry for the keeper.
>
> Still, 6 points from those 3 games is not a bad return.
>
> Nick
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Re: [LU] Spuds

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Gotta say I am so sick of the anti-American "bring back Bielsa" bullshit on 
this list. It's finally time to say something. Bielsa was taking us down. He 
was an incredible manager for a mid-level Championship team because he had the 
ability to (a) improve the team's professionalism and attitude (b) improve 
their fitness to almost superhuman levels (at some cost to the players' 
long-term health) and (c) play with tactics that Championship managers weren't 
used to facing. But that only worked to a lesser degree in the Premier League, 
where (a) everyone is super-professional, (b) everyone is super-fit and (c) the 
managers are the best in the world (and so are the players). By last season the 
players were done and we were dropping like a stone back towards the 
Championship, getting absolutely hammered every week. Marsch rescued us. It 
wasn't pretty, but it worked. 
The reason Spurs scored one more goal than us yesterday is that their first 
goal was the result of two blatant fouls: one by the goalscorer Harry Kane 
pushing Tyler Adams (in much the same way that Bamford did against Arsenal, 
except that Bamford was penalized and Kane wasn't); and the second on Meslier, 
who was pushed into the back of his net and then sat upon, preventing him from 
being in position to actually save Kane's shot. I would argue that this was 
classic "big six refereeing," in which the Premier League feels invested in 
ensuring that the six clubs around which it bases its global marketing remain 
competitive for the top spots in the league throughout the season. Kane was 
also helped by a long tradition in the Premier League of granting the England 
captain more leeway than other players (going back at least to Alan Shearer 
kicking opponents in the head and getting away with it). Oh, and Spurs' fourth 
goal came from a throw-in given to them when the ball clearly came off the leg 
of a Spurs player.
All the anti-Americans said Marsch's football wouldn't score goals. We've 
outscored our opponents 9-8 in the last three games. It wouldn't win games, 
they said. We've won two of our last three and were in position to win the 
third with fewer than ten minutes to go. It wouldn't be exciting, they said. If 
you haven't found the last three games exciting, maybe you should take up 
skydiving instead.
Yes, our defence is a problem. I would argue a major factor behind that is that 
Bielsa's hand-picked left back, Junior Firpo, is crap. Marsch realizes this and 
doesn't play him, which, because we are so weak in that position, means we have 
to play arguably our best centre-half as left back. Until the club spend some 
money on very good defenders, we're probably going to continue to suffer 
results like yesterday on a regular or semi-regular basis. 





-Original Message-
From: Greg Adams 
To: Leeds List 
Sent: Sat, Nov 12, 2022 12:14 pm
Subject: [LU] Spuds

Well, that was great. We had a big chance of getting something today, 
but stupid, naive defending gifted the spuds enough chances which they 
finally took.

We were second best, but some good play by individuals gave us a 
chance.  Spurs were there for the taking, but no team can defend like 
that against any PL team, let alone a so-called top six one. This team 
does not know how to defend. The first two goals were the result of 
sloppy play by us.  I did not see the third and fourth.

It's time to let the clown go.  His 'tactics' are a joke. There are 
enough decent players in the squad for us to be much better than this. 
Just look at how many times there are three Leeds players pressing one 
opponent and still do not win the ball or stop the player from playing 
the ball out.  It's already been pointed out by many on this list that 
we are easy to attack out wide,yet we persist with two midfielders - one 
of whom is useless defensively and the other is permanently in headless 
chicken mode.

Ah, fuck it. I'm too pissed off.  I want this guy and his penisball 
out.  Hopefully we can find someone who at least has a clue of how to 
manage in a top rated league.

Bring back Bielsa.


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Re: [LU] Last 7 games

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Dave,
It's absolutely NOT Marsch's fault "that we have no left back worthy of a first 
team place and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed Rodrigo up 
top." Just a reminder to all the Marsch-haters (and closet anti-Americans): Our 
useless left-back Junior Firpo, our failure of a record-breaking signing 
Rodrigo and our injury-prone penalty-missing centre-forward Bamford were ALL 
signings approved by, and signed during the reign of, Marcelo Bielsa. Just 
about every Leeds United supporter and Leeds United beat reporter (Phil Hay, 
Graham Smyth, James Marshment, etc.) was saying all summer transfer window that 
we needed a reliable goalscoring striker and a left-back. The club has even 
acknowledged trying to sign CDK and Gapko (before the desperation purchase of 
Gnonto on the last day of the window). There's no evidence that (unlike some 
recent managers) Marsch was insisting on having a tiny squad, let along telling 
the board not to buy a centre-forward and a left-back. (Bear in mind also that 
of the four players who can play in that position, three - Dallas, Struijk and 
Hjelde - are injured/recovering from an appendectomy. On current form I would 
put Firpo behind all three on the "depth chart" in that position.)
It's reasonable to cast a harsh light on Marsch for his team selection versus 
Leicester, the tactics and the lack of a Plan B (hmmm, where have we heard that 
before?), but it's completely unfair to blame him for big money purchases that 
the club failed to make in the window.
I continue to believe that if just a couple of the turning points in recent 
matches (e.g. the ref's failure to send off Saliba for his pull-back on 
Bamford; the missed penalty versus Arsenal, etc.) had gone our way, we'd be 
having a totally different conversation. But I also realize that it's got to go 
our way soon or not at all (for Jesse). 
On the plus side, how long before Mateo Joseph and Sonny Perkins are ready to 
step up a level? Joseph just scored his third hat-trick in eight league games 
for our top-of-the-table unbeaten Under-21s.
Cheers!
Sean

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From: nattan--- via Leedslist 
To: Robert Heath ; Alec McQueen 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2022 5:51 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games

 I get what you are saying and you do have a point. It is not JMs fault that v 
Arsenal  Rodrigo gave away a goal and that Bamford missed a penalty.  Equally 
individual errors ( Roca this week, Cooper v Palace,  Llorente nightmare v 
Brentford) have cost us other games/ points and that is down to the players BUT 
some errors are down to the system, we are so easy to play against- fire a ball 
over midfield into the corner and you create chances , - that is the manager's 
fault.  Equally the fact that we have no left back worthy of a first team place 
and are still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed Rodrigo up top is his 
fault 
Even when it works well our lack of a cutting edge means we get nothing when we 
are on top in a match and our soft underbelly means our opponents always have a 
chance.
We have had on paper a reasonably easy run of fixtures- only Arsenal and 
Chelsea of top 5 clubs and played all the bottom clubs.  Things are looking 
dodgy 
Do I want him sacked ? No , I want him to put a run of good results together 
and get us up the table and build on it , but I really cant see that happening. 
I will be cheering him and the team on on Sunday but I expect the first of the 
Marsch out chants if we go behind ( oddly last match we were discussing who was 
the last manager who got the " out" chants. Never happened to Bielsa,  
Heckingbottom sacked before we had chance,  ditto Christensen,  Monk we wanted 
to stay,  Evans was unpopular but crowd never turned, Rosler, milanic , 
hockaday all too short lived, Redders popular, same generally with McDermott,  
so did we chant Warnock out ? If not it would be Grayson,  dont recall chants,  
so McAllister is the last one I can remember for sure getting the " out " chant 
? Personally the last (?only) one I chanted about was Adamson, to the extent 
that if anyone says Adamson I say at ,east in my head "out" 

Tricky times at ER


Dave     On Friday, 21 October 2022, 21:00:09 BST, Alec McQueen 
 wrote:  
 
 I think we are being harsh on Marsch. He is trying to mould a new team, a new 
squad, a new playing style… I think it is clear to see that he is not yet happy 
with what is happening on the pitch… we need to give this guy a chance. The 
team has shown glimpses of what it is capable of, our problem seems to be 
consistency and Plan Bs if Plan A isn’t working. 
wha
I am not saying I think JM will come good and all will be well, I also have my 
serious doubts, but I think 10 games into the season is too early to be 
throwing out the coach and starting again. And it is not all JM’s fault… we 
clearly needed a proven striker and a left back and we didn’t get them. 

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> On 21 Oct 2022, at 22:33, Robert 

Re: [LU] Bottom of the league

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Don't forget Viduka!


-Original Message-
From: Robert Heath 
To: Richard Walker 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2022 5:15 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Bottom of the league

Long-time denizens of this forum know full well that you (Richard Walker)
have to have one Leeds player to hate, and clearly poor old Rocky has been
put into the stocks previously occupied by McPhail, Harte and many others I
no longer recalleven Kalvin!

On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 10:07 AM Richard Walker via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  less said about Roca's contribution to the whole match the better (well
> 45 mins until he was dragged off)
> He's totally underwhelmed me. Even against Arsenal first half he was
> floundering around. Feel sorry for Adams who always puts in a shift. He
> can't do it on his own.
>    On Friday, 21 October 2022 at 09:17:18 BST, Nick <
> n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote:
>
>  Yeah - the less said about Roca’s contribution to the opening goal last
> night, the better.
>
> N
>
> > On 21 Oct 2022, at 08:59, bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >
> > Agreed Nick - abject is the word, and listening to Marsch going on about
> ‘stopping the bleeding’ etc doesn’t make me think he has any clue what to
> do. I still think, maybe naively, that we have some good players, but
> Marsch’s system is a key problem. That said Firpo & Christensen currently
> seem like Championship players at best, although Rasmus was excellent
> against Arsenal. Not convinced by Roca either,
> >
> > For all the talk about needing a forward and left back, which we do, the
> midfield is where we lose the battle, and that is chiefly down to Marsch’s
> tactics.
> >
> > We need a fresh approach - the love affair is over as the fans at
> Leicester made very clear!
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On 21 Oct 2022, at 08:44, Nick  wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, that was abject.
> >>
> >> Adams tackled a lot. Aaronson had a go. Sinisterra tried when given the
> ball. Meslier didn’t do much wrong.
> >>
> >> Marsch looks like a beaten man.
> >>
> >> I think we have some players who could make a go of this, but not with
> these game plans. Play narrow, teams go round the outside - witness their
> second, very good goal - good from their point of view, but defensively,
> not a getting a tackle in as the ball goes through 5 passes over 80 yards...
> >>
> >> Fuck sake.
> >>
> >> Nick
> >>
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Re: [LU] Arsenal

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Weird that people keep saying this about Marsch, To me, he is the plainest 
speaking manager we have had in many years.
Cheers!
Sean


-Original Message-
From: Michael Benjamin 
To: Steve Gillen ; Richard Walker 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2022 10:24 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Arsenal

Thank God we didn't get the chance to miss another penalty  

I worry when people celebrate a loss because it is smaller than expected. 
It points that count, not explaining 'what if,' and 'if only. '
This contorted 'convenient thinking'  is like congratulating yourself; you only 
got run over by a mini when you expected a steam roller. 
We are getting rubbish results; we cannot go on this way. I see no reason to 
believe it will change. 
Out of nine games, we played well and won only once. 
(I get stick for saying this. )
Nevertheless, out of the many managers I have seen, Marsch is the only one I 
haven't a clue what he is on about. 

-- Michael 



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To: Richard Walker 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Arsenal

OK your point is taken that it was not a penalty  as Bamford had fouled first, 
I accept that.. HOWEVER, the red card should have remained as whether the 
ball was in play or not that was a studs up kick out attack and would be 
classed as violent conduct and should still be a sending off. Am I right or 
what? Or are the players now allowed to chin each other to no consequence 
because the ball is in touch and not in play?

> On 17 Oct 2022, at 09:13, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
>  I missed the game despite spending hours on the phone and entering into the 
> ballot so watched on TV. 
> I feel a lot better this morning than I did after the Palace game. We were 
> excellent second half and Arsenal looked out on their feet at times. Was this 
> a consequence of playing last Thursday ? Maybe, but who cares ? 
> First of all the controversial ending - unfortunately it was a blatant push 
> by Bamford so no chance of a penalty. Yes their guy lashed out a bit with his 
> feet and you could argue that was a red but Bamford had already committed the 
> first foul. 
> I thought first half we competed well but were 2nd best and Arsenal had the 
> best chances whilst we only made their keeper work once from a scrappy 
> corner. Our tactics weren't really working with Harrison playing as a striker 
> and Rodrigo as a no 10 where he was pretty ineffective. 
> Marsch said that it was an agree swap at half time of Rod for Bamford (you 
> don't often hear about planned subs like that). It did work though and for 
> all the abuse Bamford got on Sunday night Twitter I thought he was excellent 
> and really made the difference. Arsenal couldn't cope with him and as a 
> result Aaronson and Siri started to get more space and time. It was one way 
> traffic for most of the half and the only surprise was that we didn't win it 
> 3 or 4-1, we were that much better. Finishing however it becoming a problem 
> and you can see that Bamford is getting twitchy. On another day though, his 
> disallowed effort which looked like a dodgy decision in slow motion is given 
> and he sticks the pen away, we win and he's a hero - of course that didn't 
> happen his haters will say. 
> I think that performance made me realise what Marsch is trying to do and it 
> could work although I've still got that nagging feeling that the only reason 
> we overran them was because they were knackered. 
> My scores: 
> Meslier - 7 Didn't do a lot wrong. Some blamed him for the goal, I 
> think that's a bit harsh Rasmus - 8 Definitely looked a lot better 
> last two games. He is never going to offer as much as Ayling going forward 
> though Struijk - 7. Struggled first half but then realised he need to get to 
> Saka earlier and after that Saka never had a kick. He also got forward well 
> which he has done in the last 2 games.
> Cooper - 7. Solid. No complaints. 
> Koch - 8. Extra solid
> Adams - 7. I sometimes feel he's fighting a one man battle in there as I 
> don't think Roca helps him too much. Gets through a lot of work. 
> Roca - 5. Poor first half in which he was a passenger but to his credit he 
> like everyone improved 2nd half and put in some good work and good balls. For 
> me though he's disappointed. 
> Harrison - 5. Out of position. 
> Rodrigo - 4. Ridiculous pass for the goal Sinistera - 8. Lively 
> throughout even in the first half. Probably needs to get a bit fitter 
> Aaronson - 8. I thought that was his best game for a while especially 2nd 
> half where he ran them ragged down the left wing.
> Subs:
> Bamford - 8. Missed pen but was the difference for me Koch - busy 

Re: [LU] Papa johns

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Gnonto played very well! His close control is excellent, he's always looking 
for the right pass or an opportunity to shoot, and his attitude is refreshingly 
positive. 


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Subject: [LU] Papa johns

Good 5 3 away win at Tranmere the other night, Perkins and Josep just cant stop 
scoring for u21s, and nice to  see Joffy weighing in with 2 excellent  finishes 
. Drameh got the other 
Gnonto is pretty much invisible in the brief highlights 
Dave 
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Re: [LU] Long live our noble queen (not any more)

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I have to admit, I don't recall any invitation to either the Facebook or 
WhatsApp groups, but am wondering what's wrong with the good old email list? 
Last thing I need is my phone pinging in the middle of the night every time 
someone sends a WhatsApp message. 
Cheers!
Sean


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Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2022 4:32 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] Long live our noble queen (not any more)

Hi all! 
Long time since I posted last time… Some 20 years ago 浪

I was on the excellent digest for most of these years - until the WhatsApp chat 
& Facebook group got started a few years ago.

Like many of us I saw them as logical steps in modernising communication whilst 
not disrespecting 30 years (!!) of Leedslisting, and joined. 

Have had a great time on them since.
 
Now read that Richard & Verner chose to leave - I hope you guys can find a way 
back on, cos’ your input on anything Leeds is highly valued!

Rgds.
/Raffe 


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> On 9 Sep 2022, at 14:51, errand.fivefold--- via Leedslist 
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>   I know what you are saying and you are 100% correct.
>  I just couldn't believe some of the bile.
>  Life is too short.
>  Best wishes,
>  Verner
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>  On 9 Sept 2022 13:24, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
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>  To: Richard Walker 
>  Cc: Robert Heath ; Leeds List
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>  Subject: Re: [LU] Long live our noble queen (not any more)
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>  A
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>  I too left the WhatsApp list.
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>  On 9 Sept 2022 12:17, Richard Walker via Leedslist
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>    Agree Mike. I've taken myself off the WhatsApp due to people on
>    there thinking they are funny, making jokes about the queen's death.
>    Unbelievable really but that's what we've become.A
>    A A A  On Friday, 9 September 2022 at 11:06:30 BST, Michael Benjamin
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>    Simply gob-smacked by that ridiculous remark.
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>    Subject: [LU] Long live our noble queen (not any more)
> 
>    I can't believe in all this sycophantic fawning over the Chief
>    Parasite they have not mentioned the greatest day in her
>    life.8 May,
>    1972 when she got to shake hands with Billy Bremner!
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Re: [LU] Any reports?

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The turning point was Sinisterra missing from about 18 inches a minute or two 
prior to their goal. One of those moments where you're holding your breath 
waiting for the net to bulge and then wondering how on earth it didn't. 
I definitely would NOT play Summerville in place of Aaronson, who was our most 
inventive attacking player against Brighton and, I think, is key to this team.
Cheers!
Sean


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Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 9:28 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Any reports?

I'm still reasonably confident we'll stay up with this squad, but the 
first half was dreadful from us.  Marsch said afterwards the plan was to 
get balls into the Brighton half quickly and then play from there, but 
the players did not execute properly, which worries me slightly. That 
type of hoofball has been proven to be a failure in this league, and it 
is just shit football. Time after time the ball was lost to Brighton.  
Our front four ran around a lot but could not hold on to the ball to 
make any meaningful attack on goal. Brighton sat deep and won all the 
loose balls and attacked down both flanks exposing Struik (not a left 
back) and Rasmus (a right back, but not very good). Only Meslier and 
their poor finishing kept us in the game.

Second half we started to hold the ball better, which led to plenty of 
possession and a few half chances. But Brighton always looked like they 
would score and so it turned out.  Again down the flank, with Struik 
drawn towards the center leaving a man free on the outside and a cross 
from our right.  Brighton sat back after they scored and we had one or 
two chances - Sinisterra at the far post and Rodrigo(?) who blazed over. 
We could and should have got a point, but Brighton were the better team 
overall.

On the plus side, Adams did not give the ball as much as the previous 
three games and Sinisterra looked good.  Koch was good again and Jack 
and Brenden had reasonable games. Klich was good again when he came on.

Downside? Rodrigo was useless.  Misplaced passes and wayward shooting 
again.  I suspect Marsch told him to shoot more. Rasmus still looks out 
of his depth in my opinion.  Llorente had one of those games where he 
falls over a lot.

I would have brought on Joffy sooner and also taken Rodrigo off for 
Summerville.

Everton on Tuesday will be a test for Marsch. The starters so far have 
done well, but there was a lack of creativity on Saturday.  I would take 
a chance with Drameh if Ayling is not ready, and also start with Klich 
instead of Rodrigo / James and play Joffy up front.  I'd be tempted to 
play Summerville instead of Brenden as well, but that may be too many 
changes.

Whatever happens, Everton are there for the taking and 3 points will 
perk us all up again.  Lose and doubts will start creeping in re 
Marsch's tactics. But we're 5th and we would all take that after 4 games 
I suspect.

MOT



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> People,
> Ups & Downs: Chelsea one weekend, Brighton the next.
> It will be one of those seasons!
> James.
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Re: [LU] That was dreadful

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Which Calderon? Who does he manage at the moment?

If it were up to me, whether or not we go down, I'd have a deep talk with Jesse 
about what he plans to do with the squad, who he thinks he needs, and what 
style of play he wants to establish. Based on his answers, I might give him 
until the end of September to show he can turn things around. If he can't, or 
if his answers to the previous questions don't convince, I'd hope like hell 
that Huddersfield don't quite make it up via the playoffs and then nick 
Corberan to manage a squad that's still got a lot of the players he knows from 
his years at the club.


-Original Message-
From: Michael Benjamin 
To: MATTHEW GAYNOR ; Leeds List 
; n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
Sent: Thu, May 12, 2022 1:34 am
Subject: Re: [LU] That was dreadful

The handling of Bielsa from day one was wrong.
If what we are told is true, namely small squads and buying. He should have the 
last word but not the only word.
So the small squad- injury plague was not just on Bielsa. It was not a sacking 
offense; it was clear at Xmas it was going wrong. Strangely, it was very 
convenient for a shallow pocketed management to hear.
Bielsa's alternative is a Hockaday with a different accent.
It is as clear that he is not the answer. He has been here long enough to know 
that nothing from Bielsa will be left.
He will not get us up, he's clueless. He won't improve anything or anybody.
Get in Calderon or get Bielsa to be part of the selection process.
We must get the Bielsa Continuation right. And it is not with this absolute 
dreck Marsch.

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Subject: Re: [LU] That was dreadful


Desperate stuff

With each passing week i am less clear what we are trying to achieve
Four centre-backs started today with Rapha at right wing back just in
case that wasnt enough.

Koch managed to play centre-back, right back and right wing in the same
game. Even popped up at centre-forward for a bit.
Firpo sort of wandered around midfield.

We are not going to pressure the other team into a mistake if they are;
1) Not Watford or Norwich and
2) We only have ten men

But that seems to be our attacking plan - we appear to have no clue how
to move the ball from back to front when in possession.

Matt


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Sent: Wednesday, 11 May, 22 At 22:24
Subject: [LU] That was dreadful
The single redeeming feature was Watfords draw.
The players look lost, the club is drifting, the previous three years’
effort going up in smoke.
Fuck sake.
Nick

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Re: [LU] Watford /Jesse

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"So many South Americans were getting involved with us"? I'm counting Raphinha 
and who else?


-Original Message-
From: Andy Brown 
To: Richard Walker 
Cc: leeds list 
Sent: Sun, Apr 10, 2022 12:38 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] Watford /Jesse

We were perfectly happy with Bielsa from the first game. We had a glimpse of 
what he was doing. We’ve all been watching football all our lives and will 
absolutely judge what’s in front of us.

It makes so much sense now that so many South Americans were getting involved 
with us. I feel I’ll be watching Bielsa wherever he goes more closely than I’ll 
be watching Leeds.

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> On 10 Apr 2022, at 17:31, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> I think the style has changed massively. Long balls from both keeper and 
> defence is just one example.
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> 
> On Sunday, April 10, 2022, 5:28 pm, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> Scott,We were doomed with Bielsa. It's sad but true, we'd been found out. 
> Someone wrote, correctly, that you need warmth, affection and the personal 
> touch to get out of a crisis. Marsch managed that. Look what he did, he 
> picked them up after Bielsa and got the points.Orta saw him as Bielsas 
> replacement for some time. That must say something. The style hasn't changed 
> radically, but altered. That takes getting used to. To judge already the end 
> result is not fair or right. He could not have done better. We have hard 
> games ahead, we are still in a process. But Bielsas reign is over. There was 
> no going on or back.But the management saw an end and a continuation. I trust 
> their judgement. Especially as definitely is ' so far, so good.' And you 
> cannot judge a manager so soon. Not nice for me to be the voice of moderation 
> Get Outlook for AndroidFrom: Leedslist  on 
> behalf of Scott1cairns1 
> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2022 7:11:05 PM
> To: Richard Walker 
> Cc: leeds list 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Watford /Jesse I feel like without Marcelo our potential 
> has taken a massive blow. We could’ve soared in every aspect on the field in 
> our hearts.
>  Clinging on to our premiership status to become another Burnley struggling 
>every season.
> Dont get me wrong I will follow the club wherever or whoever they play but I 
> can’t help feeling that magic of MB has gone.
> Who amongst us wouldnt have preferred to watch us playing as we have over the 
> last two years in the championship.
> So far so good. With JM. 
> But I feel like staying up without the big man is somewhat pyrrhic. 
> #still hurting.
> 
> Best regards,Scott. 
> 
>> On 10 Apr 2022, at 15:00, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Totally agree Dave.
>> It’s all about results now and for that you can not criticise Marsch however 
>> as I said on the WhatsApp group yesterday, if this is Marsch’s idea of good 
>> football then I can’t see a great future for him. His mentor is not 
>> impressing at Scum either.
>> Yesterday, at times (first 15 mins of 2nd half) we were terrible and I mean 
>> terrible. Incapable of stringing 2 passes together and every time we got the 
>> ball we gave it away. They missed a glorious chance and were the better side 
>> during that period. It was really depressing to see us concede possession so 
>> easily. We didn’t look anything like a Bielsa pass and move team.
>> On the plus side I thought all 3 of the subs made an impact and we finished 
>> strong.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, April 10, 2022, 11:46 am, nattan--- via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> As we all agree 10pms from 12 is amazing and we are / should be happy But … 
>> if you analyse the games things are nowhere near as rosy.2 wins came against 
>> the bottom 2 teams - one we needed a last minute winner , the other looks 
>> comfortable but needed an awful miss at 1-0 and was against a team who have 
>> lost their last 8 home games ( the first time in our entire history we have 
>> played opposition with that poor a record)Then Wolves at 2 down we were dead 
>> and buried and looking at a 4or 5 hammering, full credit to the players for 
>> their commitment but it relied on a sending off and them totally collapsing 
>> Southampton- a boring draw v a team who had lost their previous 4 games and 
>> followed our game with a 0-6 rout at home
>> So yes 10 from 4 games is title winning stuff but let’s not pretend jesse 
>> has turned us into world beaters
>> Still a bit worried by Burnley, looking at each game coming up they are 
>> capable of winning each one but for them to win 4 on the bounce (inc  
>> Everton) when they have only won that many (approx) all season is surely too 
>> much
>> Watford and Norwich are down
>> So happy - yes I am - but not ecstatic and still some nerves
>> A Norwich win today and we can breath a lot easier 
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Re: [LU] Norwich

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A couple of videos and some thoughts on the winner.
The goal: https://twitter.com/LUFC/status/1503129664797265931
The goal with bench reaction: 
https://twitter.com/Dan_Hardy19/status/1503361678389518342
1. The goal starts with a long (and accurate) hoof out by Meslier. It's worth 
asking whether that would have happened under Bielsa. (Think of our two most 
recent "huge emotion" late winners - Pablo at Swansea and Dallas at the Etihad 
- both of which came from playing out from the back.) 
2. Joffy wins the header. The kid's 5'8", the defender's 6'1". Enough said.
3. What Joffy does with the header. Joffy was almost facing back towards his 
own goal, with Daniel James five yards away in space. Most players would have 
taken the simple option of nodding it back to James before turning and running 
upfield. But Joffy is one of the most direct, attack-oriented players in the 
squad, so instead he takes the slightly riskier option and heads it over his 
shoulder into space for Raphinha to run onto. That takes pure attacking 
instinct - and skill. One wonders whether we'd have more points if Joffy had 
been given more time on the pitch this season.
4. Brilliance from Raphinha. There's still so much for Raphinha to do, but 
showing a determination that, as others have mentioned, has been absent the 
last couple of games, he gets to the ball a nanosecond before the defender, 
effortlessly glides past the keeper, then with barely a glance to his left 
knows exactly where to play the reverse pass as he runs out of space and 
defenders close in. That's world class.
5. Joffy's movement. From the moment the ball leaves his forehead, Gelhardt is 
thinking "What can I do now to turn this into a goal?" Despite the presence of 
three opposition defenders in the box, he times his run to ensure he's in 
space, available for a pass, and then shows a calmness in arguably the biggest 
moment of his career thus far to slot home from a couple of yards (Pascal 
Struijk take note!). Gelhardt is a natural goalscorer. (Also, note the defender 
who's so determined to stop the shot he's anticipating from Raphinha on the 
line that his momentum carries him into the back of the net by the time 
Gelhardt shoots, so he can't block Joffy's shot.)
6. The entire squad's reaction. With the subs piling on and Meslier sprinting 
the length of the pitch, this had real "Pablo at Swansea" vibes about it. 
Victor Orta was in tears! It shows how invested everyone in the club is in our 
survival. Let's hope it's enough.
Cheers!
Sean

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Sent: Mon, Mar 14, 2022 9:05 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich




Thanks Dave.
Spot on!
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Sent: Mar 14, 2022 at 9:53 AM

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Subject: [LU] Norwich


Well what a difference a few days can make - Thursday a half full ER boo 
the players off and walk out all doom and gloom. Sunday a still packed 
ER is bouncing, singing along to I predict a riot and chanting outside 
the ground, all smiles.

It was nearly do different as we threw away our deserved lead just as 
the added time (6mins) was announced.  We made the most of that 6mins 
with a goal from our wonder boy and a great save from our bit wonder.

Jesse picked the expected team and PLAYED PLAYERS IN THEIR PROPER 
POSITION  - Ayling right  back, Klicth  and Forshaw in midfield and with 
a striker at number 9. 

The game itself was decent enough,  we played pretty well with Rodrigo 
and Raph both getting back to the players they can be. We opened the 
scoring with a long ball aimed at Bamford who also had a mainly good 45, 
the defender headed it back and Rodrigo pushed James aside and shot 
home.  We then bossed the game with chance after chance going begging - 
at 2 nil it would be game over but we did not manage it. Raph hit the 
bar with a great shot after a lovely cross field one two with Paddy, 
Stryik missed an easy header and the easier rebound, James scored but 
was offside, Bamford turned back into championship paddy and missed a 
sitter, Raph hit the bar again with a free kick, James made the keeper 
pull off a good save as chances came and went.

They offered almost nothing for most of the game but the ref who was 
poor and had no control of the game pointed to the penalty spot after a 
Norwich player went down ( not for the first time - thus js very much a 
Dean Smith team, diving, moaning, play acting) but VAR corrected his 
obvious error :-) ( VAR still shit and spolis the game)

We took off Rod and tried to shore thi6gs up with the Koch brought on, I 
got the idea since it did look as if we would not score the second,  but 
it just I voted them on to us and they began to put us under pressure.  
So it was no great surprise when they got behind us down the wing,  
crossed and fired home. 2 points thrown away and relegation threatening. 
Then on came Joffy, the boy who makes magic happen.  He won a 

Re: [LU] VIlla

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Michael,
It's hard to argue with any of that.
Cheers!
Sean

-Original Message-
From: Michael Benjamin 
To: Richard Walker ; nat...@sky.com ; 
Robert Heath 
Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Sent: Fri, Mar 11, 2022 8:57 am
Subject: Re: [LU] VIlla

This game came at the end of a tough week, and I was watching it, convinced 
that we were going to lose because everything else had gone wrong. All the 
same, we were appalling, and I am convinced there is no way we can avoid 
relegation. We don't deserve to avoid relegation; we are a dreadful team 
playing dreadful football.
At the end of the day, the management has proven itself an abysmal failure. 
When they were taking Bielsa, they knew that the guy was like a Benzedrine 
tablet; he would get you up, and then there would be a crash. They waited for 
the crash instead of avoiding it. Bielsa should have gone at Christmas; we 
should have bought at Christmas and had a new manager in by Christmas. None of 
this was done, and we are left with a catastrophic aftermath.
This is the Leeds way of doing everything look as if you can and then prove 
that you can't. Always drama never victories any pride and lots of disgrace.
The only silver lining I see is that it will be getting out of the division, 
which is a hive of mercenary scum and assorted murderers and international 
thieves. The 2nd division is more about football and cities with football 
teams. You can't say that about the Premier League, and I will be glad to be 
out of it in many respects. It is not the old 1st division; it is nothing like 
it. So why pretend? We are a shit team and we don't deserve to be in the 
Premier League, and the Premier League doesn't deserve to exist anyway.


Dr Michael Benjamin, 
Community Psychiatrist.
Oranit,
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-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Walker via 
Leedslist
Sent: Friday, 11 March 2022 15:46
To: nat...@sky.com; Robert Heath 
Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] VIlla

 I agree that good footballers can and should be able to adapt to many 
different positions however there are very few central defenders in the PL that 
are comfortable in midfield. Koch is not one of them. Fish out of water and I'm 
surprised you can't see it. 
    On Friday, 11 March 2022, 11:08:41 GMT, Robert Heath 
 wrote:  
 
 As I've already written, I was as appalled as everybody else about last night.
However, I would like to throw in a couple of caveats which might constitute 
glimmers of hope:1. One positive was that we did look good for the 1st 10 mins 
of the 2nd half, which means it seems the players did respond to him. If we 
could have just got an equaliser ...got the crowd on our side...who 
knows?2. I actually agree with the idea of Koch where he was last night. I 
think it was an attempt to maybe play a defensive block of 4 + 1 in a bid to 
make sure we didn't ship a shitload of goals again ("hollow laughter"). This 
bloody "ooh our manager plays players out of position" line drives me mad. 
(Just like all the drivel that is written about positions in the batting order 
for the England cricket team.) If you're a good footballer (which believe it or 
not all these lads are) you can play anywhere. Pep Guardiola has said this 
about Foden.he doesn't play a position, he plays football.
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:34 AM nattan--- via Leedslist  
wrote:

 Odd that I did my report before I read yours and we both said it should be 
Ayling at right back, Koch at centre back, and Dallas in midfield.  If we can 
see that ( and I dont claim any great knowhow or insight into  tactics etc) 
then why cant the manager Yes Bielsa did the same with thses players at times 
but it was when the proper player was unfit and in a formation and way of 
playing that they all knew and understood Jesse's reign may be shortlived - is 
it more than 44 days to the end of the season?  thinking Clough after he 
replaced a legend - not sure what our ' record's is now Dave
    On Friday, 11 March 2022, 10:19:21 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  

  I agree - we didn't have a best player as such but I thought second half Raph 
was on the ball a lot and was initiating a lot fo good cross field balls which 
is not normally what he does but he was trying to adapt. System is horrible and 
just doesn't suit us. It's a massive deviation from Bielsa .. chalk and cheese
    On Friday, 11 March 2022, 09:56:02 GMT, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:  

 Only area of disagreement with Rich is Rapha - we didn’t have a best player 
last night - aside from 5 minutes in the second half he did little to nowt, and 
I was surprised he didn’t get sent off. 

Bizarrely, imho, one player we are missing is Cooper - he might be too slow at 
times, but generally he knows where he should 

Re: [LU] VIlla

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Robert,
Do you really think Ayling is a better centre-half than Cresswell, Lllorente 
and Koch? Or that Dallas is a better right-back than Ayling? Or that James is a 
better centre-forward than either Bamford or Gelhardt?
Cheers!
Sean


-Original Message-
From: Robert Heath 
To: nat...@sky.com 
Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Sent: Fri, Mar 11, 2022 6:08 am
Subject: Re: [LU] VIlla

As I've already written, I was as appalled as everybody else about last
night.

However, I would like to throw in a couple of caveats which might
constitute glimmers of hope:
1. One positive was that we did look good for the 1st 10 mins of the 2nd
half, which means it seems the players did respond to him. If we could have
just got an equaliser ...got the crowd on our side...who knows?
2. I actually agree with the idea of Koch where he was last night. I think
it was an attempt to maybe play a defensive block of 4 + 1 in a bid to make
sure we didn't ship a shitload of goals again ("hollow laughter"). This
bloody "ooh our manager plays players out of position" line drives me mad.
(Just like all the drivel that is written about positions in the batting
order for the England cricket team.) If you're a good footballer (which
believe it or not all these lads are) you can play anywhere. Pep Guardiola
has said this about Foden.he doesn't play a position, he plays
football.

On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:34 AM nattan--- via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  Odd that I did my report before I read yours and we both said it should
> be Ayling at right back, Koch at centre back, and Dallas in midfield.  If
> we can see that ( and I dont claim any great knowhow or insight into
> tactics etc) then why cant the manager
> Yes Bielsa did the same with thses players at times but it was when the
> proper player was unfit and in a formation and way of playing that they all
> knew and understood
> Jesse's reign may be shortlived - is it more than 44 days to the end of
> the season?  thinking Clough after he replaced a legend - not sure what our
> ' record's is now
> Dave
>    On Friday, 11 March 2022, 10:19:21 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
>  I agree - we didn't have a best player as such but I thought second half
> Raph was on the ball a lot and was initiating a lot fo good cross field
> balls which is not normally what he does but he was trying to adapt. System
> is horrible and just doesn't suit us. It's a massive deviation from Bielsa
> .. chalk and cheese
>    On Friday, 11 March 2022, 09:56:02 GMT, John Lee via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
>  Only area of disagreement with Rich is Rapha - we didn’t have a best
> player last night - aside from 5 minutes in the second half he did little
> to nowt, and I was surprised he didn’t get sent off.
>
> Bizarrely, imho, one player we are missing is Cooper - he might be too
> slow at times, but generally he knows where he should be. Struijk had his
> worst game ever last night, and Ayling is not a centre-back, although I’d
> give him the ‘tried-hardest’ badge for last night.
>
> Unless Marsch wakes up re player positions, we’ve had it. I think it’s
> going to be a bitter end to the Bielsa era, but at least we got to see
> Bielsa-ball for a couple of years - we’ll never see the like again :-(
>
> Very glad the Norwich game isn’t televised!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:48, Robert Heath  wrote:
> >
> > Still it's not all doom & gloom.Derby and Chelsea are both in
> > serious shit!
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:42 AM n...@6haroldplace.co.uk <
> > n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> Agree with that Rich - I swear if I have to watch another lofted ball
> from
> >> Koch, dropped into the box from 50 yards out, with no one in sight but
> >> their keeper…
> >>
> >> How bad was that? I left bang on the whistle and walked straight on to
> the
> >> first bus in the station and got a seat…no mad queues watching the
> first 5
> >> or 6 buses leave, all the folk buzzing and chattering about something
> >> brilliant in the game. Flat. We have forgotten what it was like before
> and
> >> become inured.
> >>
> >> A wise woman once sang ‘you don’t know what you got til it’s gone’.
> >>
> >> Nick
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:15, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
> >> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Couldn't get to sleep last night after that performance. Yes I felt it
> >> was time for Bielsa to go but not to be replaced by this, which is the
> >> worst of Heckingbottom, Blackwell and Warnock. Marsch has a difficult
> job
> >> but when it was said that he is the ideal person to replace Bielsa
> because
> >> he plays the same pressing, attacking style nothing could be further
> from
> >> the truth.
> >>> He is trying to make us compact by packing the midfield and bringing
> the
> >> wingers more central. This totally negates any attacking options we
> 

Re: [LU] VIlla

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The difference is that Clough took over the champions of England, and - 
arguably - the best club side in Europe. Marsch took over a team in freefall. 
He also hasn't walked into the dressing room and told them that everything 
they'd achieved had been through cheating.
Cheers!
Sean


-Original Message-
From: nattan--- via Leedslist 
To: Richard Walker 
Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Sent: Fri, Mar 11, 2022 5:34 am
Subject: Re: [LU] VIlla

 Odd that I did my report before I read yours and we both said it should be 
Ayling at right back, Koch at centre back, and Dallas in midfield.  If we can 
see that ( and I dont claim any great knowhow or insight into  tactics etc) 
then why cant the manager
Yes Bielsa did the same with thses players at times but it was when the proper 
player was unfit and in a formation and way of playing that they all knew and 
understood 
Jesse's reign may be shortlived - is it more than 44 days to the end of the 
season?  thinking Clough after he replaced a legend - not sure what our ' 
record's is now 
Dave
    On Friday, 11 March 2022, 10:19:21 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
  I agree - we didn't have a best player as such but I thought second half Raph 
was on the ball a lot and was initiating a lot fo good cross field balls which 
is not normally what he does but he was trying to adapt. System is horrible and 
just doesn't suit us. It's a massive deviation from Bielsa .. chalk and cheese  
    On Friday, 11 March 2022, 09:56:02 GMT, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Only area of disagreement with Rich is Rapha - we didn’t have a best player 
last night - aside from 5 minutes in the second half he did little to nowt, and 
I was surprised he didn’t get sent off. 

Bizarrely, imho, one player we are missing is Cooper - he might be too slow at 
times, but generally he knows where he should be. Struijk had his worst game 
ever last night, and Ayling is not a centre-back, although I’d give him the 
‘tried-hardest’ badge for last night.

Unless Marsch wakes up re player positions, we’ve had it. I think it’s going to 
be a bitter end to the Bielsa era, but at least we got to see Bielsa-ball for a 
couple of years - we’ll never see the like again :-( 

Very glad the Norwich game isn’t televised!

Sent from my iPad

> On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:48, Robert Heath  wrote:
> 
> Still it's not all doom & gloom.Derby and Chelsea are both in
> serious shit!
> 
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:42 AM n...@6haroldplace.co.uk <
> n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Agree with that Rich - I swear if I have to watch another lofted ball from
>> Koch, dropped into the box from 50 yards out, with no one in sight but
>> their keeper…
>> 
>> How bad was that? I left bang on the whistle and walked straight on to the
>> first bus in the station and got a seat…no mad queues watching the first 5
>> or 6 buses leave, all the folk buzzing and chattering about something
>> brilliant in the game. Flat. We have forgotten what it was like before and
>> become inured.
>> 
>> A wise woman once sang ‘you don’t know what you got til it’s gone’.
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 11 Mar 2022, at 08:15, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
>> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Couldn't get to sleep last night after that performance. Yes I felt it
>> was time for Bielsa to go but not to be replaced by this, which is the
>> worst of Heckingbottom, Blackwell and Warnock. Marsch has a difficult job
>> but when it was said that he is the ideal person to replace Bielsa because
>> he plays the same pressing, attacking style nothing could be further from
>> the truth.
>>> He is trying to make us compact by packing the midfield and bringing the
>> wingers more central. This totally negates any attacking options we have.
>> We were all about fast movment from defence to attack, down the wings with
>> overlapping wing backs. That's gone, Bielsa ball is dead and we're left
>> with midfielders who are not midfielders on the ball not knowing what to
>> do. As performances go that's the most clueless I've seen us since the
>> Heckingbottom days. Ok we've suffered some bad defeats under Bielsa
>> recently but in those games we kept going and still created chances. We
>> didn't create anything that troubled their keeper last night. The crowd got
>> on the backs of the players and when their 3rd went in a chant of Marcelo
>> Bielsa echoed around the ground and then a large number of fans actually
>> left. The ground was half empty by the final whistle.
>>> A bloke behind me shouted "This is the sort of shit we used to see
>> before Bielsa came" - he was spot on. Clueless, pedestrian with players
>> playing out of position. Koch is a disaster in midfield. All the fans can
>> see it but yet the coach can't. Bielsa was the same although I'd argue he
>> had a specific role ('the Philips') role which is more of a sweeper
>> whereas Marsch is playing Koch as a fully fledged midfielder who was
>> 

Re: [LU] Fwd: Official hes gone

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We may go down yet, it's true, but we were heading down with Bielsa anyway. The 
key indicators for me were the Newcastle and Everton games - two of our 
relegation rivals against whom you'd think "we could get the points we need." 
Not only did we lose both games, we didn't even score. The past two games 
showed that, for whatever reasons (and there will be plenty of debate over 
those for years, I suspect), the wheels had well and truly come off.
Cheers!
Sean


-Original Message-
From: Alec McQueen 
To: Richard Walker 
Cc: Leeds List 
Sent: Sun, Feb 27, 2022 2:35 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Official hes gone

That’s us down then… we had some games coming up where we could get the points 
we need. We have a team of championship level players, that were inspired by 
Bielsa to be a much greater whole than the sum of the parts. 

We are now doomed. We will be relegated. Really pissed off and disappointed. 

Sent from my iPad

> On 28 Feb 2022, at 04:55, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ll take your season ticket Ted / Nick if you do 
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> 
> On Sunday, February 27, 2022, 3:50 pm, John Lee via Leedslist 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just to answer a point Einar made, I think it was pretty clear Marsch had 
> been lined up to take over in the summer, so it wouldn’t have been Marcelo in 
> the Championship. 
> 
> Can’t agree that I won’t be watching any more games either. If I could put up 
> with Ken Beast/Wise, anything is survivable/preferable!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 27 Feb 2022, at 14:08, Einar S.  wrote:
>> 
>> Don’t think I will be able to motivate myself to watch any more matches this 
>> season. For me, Bielsa was unsackable and he should not have been sacked. 
>> Where do you go after Bielsa? Would have preferred life in the Championship 
>> with Bielsa over a life in the premiership without him.
>> 
>> This sucks.
>> 
 27. feb. 2022 kl. 13:24 skrev John Lee via Leedslist 
 :
>>> 
>>> Life around LUFC is going to be toxic for the rest of the season, and 
>>> no-one knows whether we’ll survive in the Premiership side. I’ve shed tears 
>>> since hearing the news last night - we have never and will never have a 
>>> manager who so thoroughly transforms a club, from the pitch, it’s 
>>> mentality, it’s public ‘persona’, the sheer exuberance - Marcelo was a 
>>> genuine one-off. Yet despite all of that, I’m still of the opinion the 
>>> board had to act. Yes, they may well have been eyeing the pound signs, and 
>>> they had clearly lined up Jesse Marsch from the summer onwards, but Marcelo 
>>> was so set in his ways that if change is required then a parting of the 
>>> ways was the only outcome. Right up to the post Spurs post-match interview, 
>>> Bielsa was still insisting his way is THE way, despite the evidence 
>>> suggesting otherwise? 
>>> 
>>> I don’t necessarily think the list of players Nick listed will all leave, 
>>> but if they do then hopefully they will demonstrate their value on the 
>>> pitch in the next 12 games. I don’t subscribe to lots of fan views that the 
>>> players have let the club down - many simply arn’t good enough, and the 
>>> man-to-man approach against the best Premiership players has been 
>>> humiliating to watch. I do wonder how the Bielsa way has impacted regarding 
>>> our injury list though - it is logical that it has to be partly responsible.
>>> 
>>> I also wonder if any players were consulted in this decision? Obviously we 
>>> may never find out, but I’d be amazed if senior players hadn’t been asked 
>>> for their views?
>>> 
>>> There’ll be more tears shed in chez Lee, but let’s remember the mantra
>>> 
>>> SIDE BEFORE SELF
>>> 
>>> MOT!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On 27 Feb 2022, at 12:15, "n...@6haroldplace.co.uk" 
  wrote:
 
 This is day that sealed the departure on Kalvin, Raphinha, Meslier, 
 Struijk, Bamford, probably Rodrigo, Koch and Gelhardt.
 
 That level-headed enough for you?
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
>> On 27 Feb 2022, at 12:11, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
> 
> Guys, let us be clear-headed. 
> Marcelo, the man, is one thing. But as to our nigh on the moribund state 
> -- was he part of the problem or part of the solution? No one knows-so 
> why gamble? 
> It took courage to hire him and the same courage to fire him.  
> We need to accept the decision and move forward. 
> 
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> 
> Dr  Michael Benjamin, 
> Community Psychiatrist.
> Oranit,
> ISRAEL
> 
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> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Sunday, 27 February 2022 14:01
> To: Robert Heath 
> Cc: Leeds List 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Fwd: Official hes 

Re: [LU] Transfer Window

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Well put, but you forgot to mention that we are just a Meslier sprained 
wrist/broken finger away from relegation.

Cheers!
Sean

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Sent: Mon, Jan 31, 2022 9:02 am
Subject: [LU] Transfer Window

UK OFFICIAL

Well, another totally underwhelming transfer window.  Leeds have the smallest 
squad in the league.  No experienced striker cover, no No.10 type player at 
all, no full backs in reserve and the biggest injury list ever.

Of course there is no need to make any signings!!  Is this Bielsa not wanting 
anyone or the recruitment team just incapable of getting deals done?

Still.  We only need one win a month to stay up, so hopefully will manage that. 
 Where the Feb victory will come from is another question.

KOT.


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Re: [LU] Palace

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But John, Roberts has been at Leeds since 2017 so he's already "a long-term 
Bielsa player." I thought he did okay yesterday, until you consider he was the 
centre-forward and yet didn't actually come close to scoring any actual goals. 
I don't understand Bielsa's preferring Roberts to Gelhardt, who I regard as a 
superior player. We've never seen what Gelhardt and Raphinha can do together, 
because Bielsa hasn't allowed them on the pitch together.
Last night was one of those that age me five years in 95 minutes.
Cheers!
Sean


-Original Message-
From: John Lee via Leedslist 
To: Nick Allen 
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Wed, Dec 1, 2021 6:40 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Palace

Today would have been very different without that penalty - what balls, and 
class, to take it like that - I can’t pretend to have been relaxed before he 
took it - real pressure.

I agree with you too Nick - the defence did well. OK, Ayew gave Struijk plenty 
to think about, but he’s a tricky player. Shame Struijk injured himself 
tackling - that’ll be the softest yellow card he gets this year! When Firpo 
came on I feared the worst, and after 2 minutes he’d lost possession twice and 
got booked, BUT then for 15/20 minutes he did ok, especially going forward. He 
still looks really confused about our system and exactly where he should be 
though - I doubt he’s a long-term option in a Bielsa team.

I’ve read so much guff this morning about James - I thought that was his best 
game yet for us - yes, his final ball can be infuriating, but he really got 
stuck in, got past his man time and again, and he’s starting to give us fast 
options on both wings with Rapha. 

And wash my mouth out, but Roberts did ok too. I can’t ever see him scoring 
many, but he is quite a considered player who is improving. Again, I doubt he 
is also a long-term Bielsa player, although given Bielsa is possibly in his 
last season with us maybe he’ll just bide his time?

There have been cameos in the last couple of games of Leeds from last season - 
the triangles on the wings, fast one-touch interplay - if we could just get a 
few more attempts on target - I think last night it was 19 attempts but only 3 
on target?

I think we’ll surprise teams in December too - am sick of all the defeatist 
talk about who we’re up against - beat Brentford, then go into these games and 
give it a right go. Palace, and they do have some good players, were not 
allowed to settle on the ball last night - it was like 10 David Batty’s on the 
pitch, and they didn’t like it. That is what we need to do - they don’t like it 
up em Mr Mannering !

> On 1 Dec 2021, at 10:29, Nick Allen  wrote:
> 
> 
> Agree Dave. Our defence stood up against a strong, fast & awkward forward 
> line really well. Forshaw looks like he’s never been away. James had his best 
> game and with Raph on the pitch there’s always a chance of a goal - some 
> balls to take that penalty and like that.
> 
> Someone else said “91 tense, nerve wracking minutes, followed by 4 of the 
> best.”
> 
> One thing is that the appeals for VAR adds a whole extra level of appeal and 
> wait... before the taker even steps up to kick the ball.
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> 
>> On 1 Dec 2021, at 09:38, nattan--- via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well we needed a win, and wow did we get one, in a most dramatic wayFeel 
>> sorry for some of my mates and other fans who due to the late kick off had 
>> to leave before the penalty. 
>> Whatever rubbish trolls on Twitter or talksport co e out with it is clear 
>> the match going fans are 100% behind Bielsa and this team. The atmosphere 
>> was excellent throughout with the whole ground rocking to waccoe s few 
>> timesThe okzters responded and gave everything in a tough match in atrocious 
>> conditions They had one glaring miss- a header- an one that Meslier clawed 
>> back off the line.  We controlled much of the game without creating too 
>> much. James had his best game for us, Rodrigo missed from a few yards out
>> It looked like bring a stalemate but when the board went up for 5 extra 
>> minutes the roar from the crowd showed the game was still there to win 
>> Then a corner, Cooper jumped for it and next thing 5 or 6 players were 
>> surrounding the ref - very unLeeds like so we knew something had happened.  
>> Var called the ref over , a sure sign that a penalty was coming, and it 
>> didRaph stepped up, we all held our breath especially when he stopped and 
>> skipped but then fired home - cue pandemonium. 
>> A great end to a decent enough performance and I think a deserved 3 pts 
>> Takes a bit of pressure off - need another 3 on Sunday 
>> Fans sang all the way to buses and cars,great stuff.  It was makes it al, 
>> worthwhile 
>> Dave
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Re: [LU] LU The List?

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Hear, hear. 
I'm absolutely not interested in going onto some phone-based system like 
WhatsApp.
Cheers!
Sean


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Sent: Mon, Sep 13, 2021 9:19 am
Subject: [LU] LU The List?

I’ve been wondering what has happened to the list lately.  We have still been 
getting Rich and Dave’s match reports and analysis.  These have been most 
welcome and good to read.  But otherwise postings have been sparse

A post last week suggested many of the old and new list members have de-camped 
to WhatsApp.  Although I have been told that the WhatsApp group is saturated 
with traffic so I’m not sure about that.  Also been told a Facebook group run 
by Raffe exists.  I really only use FB for Messenger, as I get pissed-off with 
the general crap people who I hardly know, or remember, put on there.

I guess time and technology march on, but the type of posts I want to read have 
always been on this list.  I’m not so sure match reports, or some of the long, 
meandering classic posts would ever come over so well on FB or WhatsApp.  
Perhaps I’m just to old fashioned.

Anyway Dave and Rich,  Please keep the posts and reports coming.
Everyone else, Give them some encouragement by showing some reaction, or 
argument.  I’m sure they won’t mind.

I might even post my thoughts on the season so far (just to put everyone off to 
sleep).

Cheers
KOT.

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Re: [LU] Crewe

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Rich,
Thanks for the detailed report. I think you missed out Ayling, who LUTV said 
replaced Llorente at halftime.
Cheers!
Sean

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Sent: Wed, Aug 25, 2021 4:04 am
Subject: [LU] Crewe

Just about a sell out crowd for a 1st round league cup game and that's got to 
be some sort of record ? Weirdly Leeds was empty and the P2s not even full but 
at the ground it was a different story. The queue for the slip road to the 
ground tailed all the way back to Leeds and the queue for the bars in the NE 
corner were large. 
When I saw the team sheet I was impressed but then suddenly realised there were 
one or two experiments in there and also a couple of players who haven't been 
performing who really needed to put on a performance. Well, the experiments 
didn't work (Forshaw and Phillips together in centre midfield and Roberts and 
Rodrigo appearing to be playing as a front 2) and the players who needed to put 
on a performance only proved that they are struggling (Robert, Costa, Rodrigo). 
Whilst we had all the possession we did little with it and looked like a team 
without ideas. Rodrigo's passing was wayward and Costa failed time and time 
again to put in a decent cross or pass and when he tried to shoot it was 
embarrassing. I think Costa has had a couple of decent games for us since he 
joined (Fulham at home was one) but on the whole he's frustrated in that he 
looks like a player who has the pace and skill to hurt teams but never does. 
How many more chances does he want ? As for Rodrigo, that for me is the 
worrying one for me. Is he a centre forward ? Does he have the legs to play as 
a winger or a No 10 ? I'm not sure. We've seen what he is capable of but how do 
you match that to what he produced last night ? He was without doubt the worst 
player on the park and I see on Twitter he left the ground on full time which I 
find very weird ? 
Without Raphinha we looked toothless. Firpo was sold as an Allioski upgrade. 
Well, on what I've seen so far he's most definitely not. He tries to get 
forward but there's no link up play with Harrison and he doesn't appear to have 
the acceleration and drive that we had with Alliosi. Defensively he looks 
suspect too. Hopefully this is down to fitness and he'll come good (I'm not 
sure though).
After 20 mins my mate turned to me and said, "I wish I'd stayed at home and 
listened to this on Radio Leeds in the bath with a tinnie". It was poor.  
So it was a tale of woe for 80 mins. Yes we had all the possession and 
especially in the 2nd half we did start to play a bit but it was only when 
Bamford came on that we looked like a team who could score. The first came from 
a corner which found captain Phillips unmarked from 5 yards. Good goal and I 
was impressed the way that Phillips kept going and drove the team forward. I 
think his game is lacking a bit and some of his passing was wayward but you 
could never doubt his committment. 
2nd and 3rd goals were all from Bamford's excellent running beyond their 
defence, something that Rod, Roberts and Costa hadn't achieved in the previous 
80 minutes. Good to see Harrison bag a brace. 
Everyone came out feeling happy but it was a poor performance and you could see 
Bielsa wasn't happy. I've never seen him so animated on the touchline, berating 
the 4th official and the linesman. Not sure what is issue was but I suspect he 
was frustrated that a strong first XI made a real meal out of playing against a 
poor Crewe team. 
Scores:
Meslier - 7. Really nothing much to do other than a couple of routine saves and 
a few crosses to catch. 
Shackleton - 5. Another player who is not really doing what we know he can. I 
don't like him at right back and second half late on as he pushed forward we 
saw him in his more natural position. 
Firpo - 4. All said above. He did hit the bar with a speculative effort but I 
am disappointed with what I have seen so far. 
Struijk - 6. Did ok but sometime I feel he's just in the wrong position and 
that ends up with him fouling the opposition. 
Llorente - 7. Good to see him back and hopefully his withdrawal after 45 mins 
isn't another injury. We need him. 
Forshaw - 6. I was watching him closely and whilst he didn't really influence 
the game he covered a lot of ground and put in a few good tackles. He also 
showed that move where he spins around and beats his man. Needs more games. 
Phillips - 7. Poor first half but kept battling and did well with the goal. 
Harrison - 7. Two good goals late on and he did beat his man a couple of times 
first half. 
Costa - 2 . I can't give him more than 2 because he really didn't do anything 
but saw a lot of the ball. Very poor. 
Rodrigo - 1. When Rodrigo is worse than Costa then there's a problem but I'm 
not sure what it is ? 
Roberts - 3. I've defended Roberts but this was his chance and he didn't take 
it. 
Subs:
Bamford - 8. Yes Crewe were knackered when he 

Re: [LU] Good to be back (Everton)

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Rich,
I don't think Bielsa will ever pick your favored centre-half combination of 
Koch and Llorente unless he has no other choice, because they're each 
right-footed and he prefers to pair a left-footer (Cooper or Struijk) with a 
right-footer. Yesterday the fact that Llorente and Koch were each out with 
knocks left him no choice. For me, I'd like to see Struijk and Llorente get a 
run of games together. I saw somewhere that we concede more than twice as many 
goals when Llorente doesn't play.
Cheers!
Sean


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Sent: Sun, Aug 22, 2021 7:34 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Good to be back (Everton)

 Well, I missed my first 'first home game' since the relegation season of 81-82 
season due to shambolic ticket arrangements. Paying £70 for a Gold Membership 
wasn't enough to secure me a ticket as it was a free for all when the tickets 
were released. Then I entered into around 10 hours (I kid you not) of 
refreshing screens to try and grab and returned tickets. I don't think I saw 
one ticket come up in that time despite lots of messages on Twitter saying that 
they had managed to grab a ticket. Then on Saturday morning I turned to the 
touts and kranks and was offered all sorts but I was so pissed off by then I 
decide to crack open the beer with a couple of mates and watch on TV. What made 
it worse was all the Twitter messages of people going to their first game and 
empty seats not taken up. A real shit show from LUFC. Surprisingly it was easy 
to get a Crewe ticket. 
Anyway, on to the footy and I thought it was a decent game with two evenly 
matched teams. I thought Everton looked sharp with Gray, who was a yard or two 
too quick for Ayling and others, whereas Raph for us looked like he meant 
business. 
I thought we looked our most dangerous in the first half, getting back to our 
quick attacking football of last season although I don't think we are quite 
there yet. The reasons for me were:
1) Firpo - early days for the lad and he definitely did try to get forward 
early on and try to overlap, however he doesn't look that dynamic or pacey for 
me and I'm not sure if he is replacing Allioski on that display. Haven't seen 
too much defensive ability either. He was also out on his feet after 50 mins 
and was quickly taken off. Going to be hard road for Junior. 
2) Centre back pairing isn't good enough. Cooper's method of defending is going 
to cost us. It did yesterday with his shit tugging antics. It's something he 
does frequently and does tend to get away with but he's got to stop that now. 
Overall, I'd say Cooper is at best a squad player and playing alongside the 
inexperienced Struijk it's no surprise we're leaking goals. Llorente and Koch 
are the pairing for me but we have to accept that both have been injured for 
long periods since joining the club. 
3) Phillips - did well first half but I think he ran out of steam and by his 
own admission is not as fit as he should be. Fuck knows why ? 
Here's my scores:
Miesler - 8. Kept us in the game as he always does
Ayling - 4. I thought that was his poorest game for a long time. Gray ran rings 
around him. 
Firpo - 4. Not convinced but early days 
Struijk - 5. Looks the part but I'm unsure about his positioning in key 
moments. 
Cooper - 3. Dreadful defending and could have easily been sent off with another 
careless tackle 2nd half 
Phillips - 6. Did well to keep Richarlson quiteish first half. 
Klich - 7. Lots of running and took his goal well 
Bamford - 7. Fantastic first half but faded and started to look a tad desperate 
towards the end. 
Raphinha - 8. Our best player by a mile. Fantastic strike for the goal 
Dallas - 7. Playing all over the park. Some great defensive work.
Harrison - 7. Lively first half but faded 2nd. 
Subs:
Roberts - one or two moments
Shack - not involved too much. 
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 Well we are back and back with a bang - the atmosphere was everything we 
remembered and more , the limbs after the 2 goals were as good as any game 
since we went all seaterIt was a fitting game to re- start in front of fans , 
lots of end to end stuff, some crunching tackles, decent chances 
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Re: [LU] Offside

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I always thought Smith was level with the last defender, anyway. The ref was 
never going to allow us to win that.


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From: Robert Heath 
To: Leeds List 
Sent: Sun, Jun 13, 2021 6:28 am
Subject: [LU] Offside

I was utterly bemused by Lukaku's goal last night being allowed.

Lukaku was clearly offside when the ball was played towards him by his
teammate, and the flag in a normal world should then have shot up rendering
what the gumby defender did irrelevant.

But if this is the rule, then Wes Brown's og in the last minute at Elland
Road (disallowed b/c Alan Smith was behind him in an offside position)
should have stood.
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Re: [LU] Sh*t On at Brighton!

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I thought this was one of our worst performances under Bielsa - if you were 
looking for proof of a trademark late-season Bielsa slump, you would have found 
it at the AmEx yesterday. It's hard to know why we've failed to perform against 
Brighton twice this season. One factor is clearly the absence of Phillips - the 
one player for whom we have no like-for-like replacement (other than the 
permanently-injured Forshaw). Phillips missed both Brighton games, and we 
desperately missed him. The continuing absence of Raphinha also affected our 
ability to get behind Brighton's back line. It didn't help that Costa - 
Raphinha's not-really-adequate replacement - was also unavailable. I also think 
we missed Cooper's leadership qualities more than his defensive nous. Nobody 
seemed to be grabbing the team by the collective scruff of the neck. 
Having said all that, the players on the field almost to a man played well 
below par. Ayling repeatedly gave the ball away, Alioski's craziness got the 
better of him, and Klich and Roberts were almost invisible. The team's usual 
energy was notably missing all over the field.
I also think Bielsa got the second-half subs wrong - not the players who came 
on, but those he took off. Why take off Bamford? He'd been given no service - 
not his fault. And Llorente was also unlucky to be yanked - he was one of the 
few players who weren't repeatedly messing up. I can't understand why Roberts 
and Klich weren't the ones to make way.
It's hard to ignore the Ben White factor. It would almost be dereliction of 
duty for Potter to not sit White down a few days before a game with Leeds and 
say, "Okay, Ben, you played and trained with these guys all of last season - 
how do we stop them?" 
The performance against Spurs will tell us whether this game was just a case of 
too many injuries and too many other players off their game at the same time, 
or a deeper late-season malaise.
Cheers!
Sean


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From: John Lee via Leedslist 
To: Robert Heath 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Sent: Sun, May 2, 2021 8:00 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Sh*t On at Brighton!

I think Brighton have consistently been playing well Rob, but of course they 
simply couldn’t score, so why Alioski gave them an utterly daft penalty with 
his arm around the leg is the root cause of yesterdays performance. That said, 
I did see Llorente bollocking Ayling too - Ayling had a howler yesterday too. 

It is an oddity re Brighton results  - I vividly remember going to a 3-0 defeat 
at the Goldstone Ground, where Frank Gray did an impression of someone who’d 
never played football in his life before. Very embarrassing, although the day 
was saved marginally when I saw the police collecting No Parking bollards - 
they’d pick one up, copper would jump onto van, then drive 20 yards, then pick 
another up. The delight when the van set off too early and a copper fell out 
did make for a better memory than the footie.

If I were Bielsa, I think I might call it a day, because a combination of 
players’ ages and simply not being good enough means next season new blood is 
required, unless he’s just going to slot 4/5 in from the under 23s?

It doesn’t matter how old you are, they can still mess your weekend up :-( 



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> On 2 May 2021, at 11:28, Robert Heath  wrote:
> 
> I'm not going to rise to the baitbut I will say that it is 
> interesting that our two worst performances of the season have come against 
> Brighton. (And, having watched a lot of their games so that I could check up 
> on Mr. Rolls Royce Ben White I can also say that Brighton's best two 
> performances of the season were against us.) I wonder if that is just a 
> coincidence or a combination of good management by Potter (I was too 
> depressed to pay much attention to the post-match guff but I think I heard 
> that Harrison made a comment that B/ton were "difficult to play against"), 
> the absence of Phillips for both matches, and the Sussex jinx (which seems to 
> have been added to the London one.)
> 
> I must confess that I did not know the stat which I heard mentioned during 
> the game to the effect that B/ton had won something like 9 games in a row 
> against us. They are such a piddly little club, I hadn't noticedbut I 
> now officially hate them (although I already did b/c  they wouldn't let us 
> have Ben.)
> 
>> On Sun, May 2, 2021 at 10:09 AM John Lee via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>> Agree re Bamford - nonsensical when we needed to score, and Rodrigo has 
>> proved time and again he is not suited to being a lone striker. Sometimes 
>> Bielsa’s stubbornness is legendary? 
>> 
>> As for Roberts, whilst occasionally seeing some touches which indicate a 
>> footballer lurks within, his utter lack of conviction, especially re 
>> scoring, usually makes me wonder why he’s on the pitch?
>> 
>> At the end of last night I’d pretty much convinced myself Bielsa will go - 
>> this team will need medium level surgery during the 

Re: [LU] West Ham

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It wasn't that we refused to pay what Brighton were asking for White (that was 
what happened with Udinese and de Paul). Brighton refused to sell him to us for 
any price. I have to say they were right to do so, given what a massive hole 
he's left in our defence. 


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From: Richard Walker via Leedslist 
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Sent: Sun, Dec 13, 2020 3:26 am
Subject: Re: [LU] West Ham

Agree with all that Alec especially about White. £30 million is a lot of money 
but it would have been money well spent and we wouldn’t have the big defensive 
problems we have now.


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On Saturday, December 12, 2020, 11:24 pm, Alec McQueen  
wrote:

I think all this is totally expected. What wasn’t expected was our flying start 
to the season. We have done OK on balance so far. Compare us vs the bottom 4. 

But let’s be clear: despite MB being a footballing magician, he is still 
orchestrating very average Championship players in the best league in the 
world. Frankly, he is still performing miracles. 

It is clear we don’t have enough players, nor do the players we’ve got have 
enough class. Especially in defence. We should have paid whatever they were 
asking for White. He would now be worth double what we would have paid for him. 
And we would be top half. 

Can we stay up? I expect us to. But it becomes a big gamble if we don’t recruit 
some serious classy players in January. If MB decides to stick with what he’s 
got, it is going to get hairy. 

Still enjoying the journey though. Prefer this to where we’ve been in the last 
16 years. 
Cheers
Alec

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> On 12 Dec 2020, at 19:20, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> 12 games in and it's been a good journey so far. The transformation from 
> average championship team to a team holding their own and winning games in 
> the PL is nothing short of a miracle. However, I think it's clear that we 
> have hit our first crisis and for me questions have to be asked. Yes, we've 
> been unfortunate with injuries but if Bielsa's 2 players for each position 
> strategy included Ayling switching to centre back then we're in trouble. Our 
> defence is in crisis and looks like conceding at every set piece. A makeshift 
> defence of Dallas, Allioski, Cooper and Ayling would have raised eyebrows in 
> the championship but at this level it's the equivalent of football suicide. 
> We have now receded back to the pre-Monk days where we conceded at nearly 
> every set piece. Monk sorted that by bringing in Jansson,abandoning player 
> for player marking in favour of telling Jansson to just go and get the ball. 
> He did, and we looked solid in defence for that season. Bielsa can't move 
> until January to sort this problem but hearing him say that we don't need a 
> centre back in January as we have Ayling and Philips who can play there makes 
> me wonder whether defence might be his weak point. We need 2 new central 
> defenders now !!!
> Last night was a really poor, disjointed performance against a team who are 
> solid but unspectular. Our home form is really shaky and at the moment we 
> don't appear to like playing at Elland Road. Maybe the players should spend 
> more time actually practising on the pitch as someone on WhatsApp suggested. 
> We had too many attackers on the pitch. The gap between defence and attack 
> was massive and Phillips and Klich just couldn't cope with their pace and 
> strength. Klich and Harrison turned in their worst performances in a Leeds 
> shirt and it was no surprise when West Ham won the game from an unneccesary 
> set piece late on. In reality, 4 or 5-1 would have been a fairer result and 
> for that we have to thank Miesler. 
> Scores:
> Miesler - 8. Kept the score reasonable. Maybe should have done better with 
> the goal but if Dallas let's his man have a free header from 3 yards it's not 
> going to end well. 
> Dallas - 4. His worst perfomance under Bielsa. Defensively he was all over 
> the shop and although he did charge forward a lot in the 2nd half when 
> switched to left back he was pretty ineffective.
> Allioski - 2. When his crosses are hitting the first man and his link up play 
> with Harrison is non-existent you have to ask what does he bring to the team 
> other than a massive gap down our left which West Ham exploited ? Subbed at 
> half-time and rightly so. 
> Ayling - 6. I thought he did well under extreme pressure in the first half 
> and overall he was the better central defender but hes obviously out of his 
> comfort zone and is going to struggle in the PL in this position. 
> Cooper - 5. He did a lot of good defending and he created our goal however at 
> key moments he reverted back to league one Liam. He's struggling. 
> Klich - 5. Hardly completed a pass in the first half and all his usual 
> intelligent play was missing. 2nd half he looked like he was tired and was 
> crying out for some assistance.
> Philips - 

Re: [LU] Chelsea away

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Well said, Oystein. 
Bielsa and his team will no doubt rewatch the game and figure out why Chelsea 
enjoyed so much possession in the second half, why we seem to be so vulnerable 
at set pieces, and why Kalvin was so much less effective (other than his 
extraordinary assist) than he was against Everton. I expect us to come back 
stronger against West Ham. And I do feel that the loss of Ben White and 
subsequent inability to get a settled pair at the center of defense has been 
our biggest challenge this season. But I heard a pertinent factoid earlier 
today: the keeper Chelsea had on the bench cost more than our entire starting 
XI. That says it all, really. If we can stay up this season, and then buy 
wisely and well next summer, we can start to dream.
Cheers!
Sean  

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From: Øystein Bjøndal Lund 
To: Leeds United Mailing list 
Sent: Sat, Dec 5, 2020 5:34 pm
Subject: [LU] Chelsea away


This must be my first ever Saturday night 8pm (UK time) game of footy!
Chelsea away would always be a tough one, but a good start showed we could do 
it half way there. However, Leeds were one size too small tonight, and all the 
if's and but's will never change the result. At the end of the day I can say 
nothing about the result, though the goal difference once again only tell part 
of the story.
Comparing transfer fees and salaries, and looking at the statistics, there is 
absolutely no reason to slag anybody off, or not be proud of the lads!
Soon we will win again, even so in London, mind.
We are here for the long term, and Bielsa nominated for FIFA coach of the year 
award should be cheered by the UK press instead of slagged off. It says it all, 
6 players in the starting line-up tonight was at the club when Bielsa arrived, 
if I am not wrong, more 2 came in when we where in the championship? This award 
should not go to the coach with greatest success, but the coach who added most 
to his players. Before the season, all but Leeds supporters and staff would say 
we would need to substitute almost the entire squad to survive in the 
Premiership..
I am proud to be WHITE, me!
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Re: [LU] Aha.........

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Barnes?


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Sent: Tue, Sep 8, 2020 05:08 PM
Subject: Re: [LU] Aha.


 Lets have another question. Who was the last Leeds player to represent England 
in the 1980s? 
    On Tuesday, 8 September 2020, 22:02:48 BST, Robert Heath 
 wrote:  
 
 Just read the answer to my own question on some website:

Phillips became the first Leeds star to represent the Three Lions since
Alan Smith back in 2004.
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[LU] Radz interview

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It's been out for a week or two, but this interview with Andrea is great:
https://www.professionalfootballjournal.fifa.com/interview-andrea-radrizzani#.XxMDhQWen0g.twitter

I love his comments about "Dirty Leeds." He seems to really get our club.
Cheers!
Sean
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Re: [LU] Final Day

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Out of the four teams in the play-offs, from an LUFC perspective I hope Swansea 
make it up, as otherwise we will have to dramatically change our fortunes 
playing away in London or Cardiff.
Cheers!
Sean


-Original Message-
To: Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) 
Cc: Leeds List (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Sent: Fri, Jul 24, 2020 3:55 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Final Day

Well, for purely selfish reasons, I DON'T want Brentford to come up … 
gives us a chance of nicking Benrahmi, who may be useful!
I was delighted for Barnsley … Having played so well against us, I 
thought they deserved a bit of luck, an ex LUFC U23 scoring for them 
too.
The FFP is a farce and I would be very happy to see Derby and Wednesday 
punished, the problem here is we have a weak governing body (Except when 
it comes to us, conspiracy theorists … discuss! :)) and they will bottle 
it or cock It up.
The Forest thing made me laugh … A LOT! It is SO funny when it's not 
happening to you isn't it?
Not particularly bothered who does go up in the play offs, although 
Cardiff ARE a bogey team, so hopefully not them. To basically put at 
least one team in the bottom 3 next season, I'd probably hope for Fulham 
or Swansea! :)

TTFN

StigOfTheMusingDump

On 2020-07-23 21:36, Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) wrote:
> Forgot to give my views on the final day.
> 
> Well played Luton for getting out of it.  Felt most sorry for
> Brentford, well Pontus anyway, to experience last day despair twice in
> consecutive seasons, although Brentford’s tally was as good as could
> have been expected from the last 9 games.  He still has a chance in
> the Play-offs though, where I will be rooting for him.
> 
> Also Wigan.  When Lockdown occurred they had just about crawled to
> safety.  Then the dodgy owner’s shenanigans put them into Admin using
> Covid as the excuse.
> In my opinion Derby and Wendies stretched the FFP rules to the limits,
> or beyond it purposely, but I can’t see the points being given back to
> Wigan now, and that would be unfair on Barnsley.  Is there scope to
> give them a few points back 10 days down the line and still save face?
>  I’m not sure.
> 
> Not in the least sorry for Forest though.  I really hope Brentford and
> Fulham get through to the final.  Don’t want to see an all-Welsh final
> for a start, and neither of them have looked anything like promotion
> material all season.
> 
> That really is it now, well until I need to spout off about something 
> else.
> 
> KOT.
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Re: [LU] Champions!

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Glad I’m not the only one who downed the better part of two bottles of 
champagne in 30 hours. I’ve learned over the last 47 years of supporting this 
club to never take theses opportunities for granted.
Cheers!
Sean 


-Original Message-
From: Robert Heath 
To: Chris Nickson 
Cc: Leedslist 
Sent: Sat, Jul 18, 2020 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [LU] Champions!


Not sure we can sustain this bottle-of-champagne-per-day habit!

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 3:29 PM Chris Nickson 
wrote:

> Well, Huddersfield got us up, and Stoke made us champions. Can get used to
> this not playing and winning stuff!
>
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> "Nickson stands in the front rank of historical mystery writers."
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Re: [LU] Shackleton

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I agree. The problem we have with Phillips being injured is that his most 
obvious replacement in the squad - Forshaw - is also crocked. So fixing the 
problem means at least one and maybe two players will have to play out of 
position. It seems to me that moving Klich into that defensive midfield 
position and putting Shackleton into Klich's normal attacking midfielder role 
would be the best option. That way, we don't have to re-arrange the most 
effective defense in the league when all we need to do to be sure of promotion 
is to not concede a goal in one of the next two games.
Cheers!
Sean


-Original Message-
From: Richard Naef 
To: Simon McNally ; leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 

Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 6:53 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Shackleton

I think he’s more a swap for Klich? – box to box.

From: Simon McNally 
Sent: 17 July 2020 11:48
To: Richard Naef ; leeds list 
(leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] Shackleton

I thought he got both those subs spot on. I was worried when Struijk came on as 
I remember his last appearance being in the Cardiff draw but I thought he was 
excellent. Hernandez looked knackered and had just been booked and Shackleton 
was able to run that ball down field , win the free kick and see out the game. 
I would like to see more of Shackleton in the team but he’s not a straight swap 
for Phillips

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On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 11:43 AM +0100, "Richard Naef" 
mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>> wrote:

Anyone actually know how many minutes of the League Football the Great White 
Hope Shackleton has played this season?  Next question how many hours of 
Training, Matches, reports Bielsa has watched/read about him?  Alternatively, 
Struijk was stuck then in the most important position in "the most important 
game ever" and did well.  Bielsa understands players and what they can and 
can't do

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Re: [LU] oor jack

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Again, don't forget Paul Madeley. One of the most talented players to ever play 
for Leeds. He played in seven positions for England - imagine what a player who 
could do that would be worth today.
Cheers!
Sean


-Original Message-
From: Bitches Brew 
To: Peter Castlehouse 
Cc: Leeds List ; guy.thorn...@inter.nl.net
Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2020 5:27 am
Subject: Re: [LU] oor jack

  So far I’ve got Garry Sprake. Norman, Big Jack, Trevor Cherry. King Billy, 
Bobby Collins, Gary Speed. Albert Johanssen and Big John Charles. I’m two 
players down but even these nine would test many other full teams. 
  The only one I never saw live was Speedy, but by all reports he would fit in..
  Back to lurkdom down under 

  

> On 11 Jul 2020, at 5:15 pm, Peter Castlehouse  wrote:
> 
> RIP Jack...
> and Nick... Billy's already there with the Don preparing the team sheet
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of 
> n...@6haroldplace.co.uk
> Sent: Saturday, 11 July 2020 7:12 PM
> To: Robert Heath 
> Cc: Leeds List ; guy.thorn...@inter.nl.net
> Subject: Re: [LU] oor jack
> 
> Jack, Norman and Trevor, there is one hell of defence being assembled 
> somewhere...
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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  Cheers Nigel



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Re: [LU] oor jack

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Not to mention Paul Madeley. Amazing that he, Hunter and Charlton - basically 
three world-class center halves - all died within the space of a year.
Sean


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From: n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
To: Robert Heath 
Cc: Leeds List ; guy.thorn...@inter.nl.net
Sent: Sat, Jul 11, 2020 5:11 am
Subject: Re: [LU] oor jack

Jack, Norman and Trevor, there is one hell of defence being assembled 
somewhere...

Sent from my iPad

> On 11 Jul 2020, at 09:50, Robert Heath  wrote:
> 
> That's sad.
> 
> We're running out of stands to name after these heroes as well. They could
> make the East Stand the Big Jack Stand, but then which bit of the ground
> will they name the Bielsa Stand after he finally retires when he's restored
> us to our rightful position in the European elite?
> 
> (Checks content for snidery or patronisation..can't see any,
> but who knows what the List Thought Police are clamping down on these
> days...anyway, go on risk it.presses send.)
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 10:03 AM Guy Thornton 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Just been announced Jackie Charlton has died.
>> Another legend gone
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [LU] Blackburn

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Only one thing to disagree with here, and one thing that's missing. The 
disagreement is the 5 for Bamford, which is a bit harsh since he scored the 
all-important first goal. I'm not Bamford's biggest fan, but when a 
center-forward criticized for not taking chances actually scores, I think he 
deserves more than 5 out of 10. Bamford's also key to the incident that I was 
surprised neither you nor Dave mentioned in your match reports, which was the 
ref's inexcusable failure to send off the Blackburn keeper after he'd taken out 
Bamford. If the ref had done his job, Blackburn would have been down to ten men 
and we might have scored one or two more (with goal difference threatening to 
be important this season). The ref's lucky that the decision didn't affect the 
points, otherwise there'd have been much more heard about it, I suspect.
Cheers!
Sean



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Sent: Sun, Jul 5, 2020 5:18 am
Subject: [LU] Blackburn

First 30 minutes was the most open game Leeds have been involved in this season 
and it really could have gone either way. They hit the post and had really good 
opportunites that they should have put away. But once we scored through some 
brilliant harrying from Klich there was only going to be one winer. Blackburn 
put everything into that first 45 minutes and as a result had little to offer 
in the 2nd half apart from one spectacular free kick, which was never a free 
kick in the first place, Philips was just trying to get out of the way. Our 
fitness levels are top notch and with 10 minutes to go rather than just hanging 
on for the win we continually pushed forward in wave after wave and really 
should have doubed out total. Even Douglas was crossing in the area late on. 
For me, this was by far our best performance since the restart and I think it's 
a performance that tips the momentum our way again. I think playing without 
Costa gave us a more solid look and maybe playing with Harrison and Costa 
together is too much of luxury. 
Meslier (silent S apparently) - 7. I thought he did well throughout. I worry 
about their goal as he his completely reliant on the wall when he stands that 
far left of the goal. It invites the taker to put it in top right corner and 
when he did, Meslier didn't even move. Compare that to Philips, at least their 
keeper was able to get across and make an effort, 
Ayling - 8. Bac kto his best, some good defence work and did well getting 
forward too. 
Douglas - 7. Arguably his best game for Leeds. Still unsure about his defensive 
abilities. 
Cooper - 8. Solid.
White - 9. Man of the match for me. Commanding with and without the ball. Luton 
was a blip. 
Allioski - 7. I thought he was busy and really worked hard. Could have had a 
couple himself if he had a brain when it comes to keeping on side. 
Klich - 9. I thought this was Klich at his best. His energy levels and work 
rate in that foirst half were incredible but more importantly he was creating 
chances and mking things happen. Glad he got his goal. 

Phillips - 8. Much better from Kalvin. His free kick was top drawer an 
hopefully we'll see more of these now he's bagged one. I thought he linked up 
the midfield well and worked hard. 
Harrison - 7. Not as involved as usual but certainly had his moment. 
Bamford - 5. I thought he was poor whether it was keeping onside or playing a 
simple pass straight to the opposition. Yes he got his goal and hit the post 
with two side footed shots but he needs to push on. 
Roberts - 5. Didn't do much.
Subs:
Hernandez - lively as always 
Shack - came on and looked lively, I like Shack.
So on to Stoke, Thursday at 5pm , how fecking stupid is that ? 






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Re: [LU] I don't know why I bother, but..........

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Michael,
I agree. We are paying the price for not investing in a reliable goal scorer 
(and also, weirdly, for not seeming to care about using corners to our 
advantage). 
Play-off defeat to Derby again, anyone?
Cheers!
Sean


-Original Message-
From: Michael Benjamin 
To: Richard Naef ; Ed Morrish 
; bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
Cc: Leeds List 
Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 5:11 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] I don't know why I bother, but..

After todays result,  I am beginning to have doubts.
It looks like Brentford plus one.
We have looked very iffy since the break.  We are not showing the panache and 
belief I expect from a team driving for promotion. We can miss out yet again.
Sorry,  but once bitten twice shy.  We have been more than bitten once.  We've 
been savaged.

Michael

Dr. Michael Benjamin

From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef 

Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 12:01:49 AM
To: Ed Morrish ; bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 

Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] I don't know why I bother, but..

John, read Social media if you want to find plenty of examples of negative over 
reaction, just as there was the opposite after we beat the 3rd team in the 
league, but I'm sure you already knew that.  Everyone is entitled to their 
opinions and I'm entitled to my opinion on their opinions. The fact is that 
it's entirely in our hands, we are top we have a top manager who is bringing 
the best out of a bunch of players many of whom were bang average 2 years ago 
or cast offs from Premier league (Harrison & White).  The moans on the list 
are, in my opinion, the very same as were made about our teams since I joined 
the list in the mid nineties

Sent from my Mobile.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:01:23 PM
To: Ed Morrish 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] I don't know why I bother, but..

Richard - could you paste the link to the survey please, you know, the one 
you’ve just referenced re the attitude of Leeds fans? Or was it just a daft 
comment with you pretending to have a clue?

Yes, we have a reasonably easy run-in, but just drew with the league’s bottom 
team, so how easy will it be for a side struggling to score?

Rob H ‘best footballing side for over 40 years’ - what, better than when we won 
Div 1, or the season before, when the 4th place saw us play some staggering 
football, or better than the Kewell/O’Leary era and the Champions League?

Ben White is a great player, but his defending AT THAT MOMENT was poor!



> On 1 Jul 2020, at 18:38, Ed Morrish  wrote:
>
> We play best when there’s space in front of us. Teams like Luton and Cardiff 
> are happy to let us have the ball, sit back, and wait for us to fuck it up.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 1 Jul 2020, at 18:28, Jim Moran  wrote:
>>
>> FWIW I think we’d do better in the top flight with this team.
>>
>> The other observation was because of Cooper’s injury we played most of the
>> game with 1 centre half, so Phillips was in essence playing central
>> defence.
>>
>>> On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 18:17, Richard Naef 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Don't bother Rob, the prevailing attitude of Leeds fans is we are shit and
>>> won't go up, and if we do we'll be shit in the Premier League and come
>>> right back down again.  It makes me laugh when people say that Mclaren is
>>> an idiot, except when he agrees with them.  They can't stand being proved
>>> wrong, so the slightest mistake produces reams and reams of I told you
>>> so's.  Some people will never be happy, I don't know if they had a tough
>>> childhood, or just enjoy being miserable.  I wonder why some of them aren't
>>> employed in some professional capacity in Football.  Meanwhile in the real
>>> world, we are top, points ahead of other teams, got a reasonably easy run
>>> in and are watching the best football we've had for half a generation.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Robert Heath
>>> Sent: 01 July 2020 16:18
>>> To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk
>>> Cc: Leeds List 
>>> Subject: Re: [LU] I don't know why I bother, but..
>>>
>>> Well that's me put in my place. Thanks for that.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, I am going to carry on LOVING watching a young, humble local
>>> lad playing the pivot in the best footballing side we have had for over 40
>>> years. And I'm also going to enjoy watching probably the best English CH
>>> since Ferdinand performing magnificently in a Leeds shirt.
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 2:16 PM  wrote:

 I don’t know why you bother either - on that we can agree.

 I love the way you pass off patronising people as being some superior
 footballing power. Best chuckle I’ve had today ;-)

 I love your stereotyping English fans too - you sound ever so slightly
 bigoted. Very clever.

 ‘White had no clue he was about to shoot’ - centre-forward, on his
 own, a rare counter 

Re: [LU] David DRB Brennan

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This is very sad news. I can't remember exactly when I joined the list - 
somewhere in the '95-'97 timeframe - but DRB was always one of the most 
consistent posters. Condolences to his family. And yes, let's hope the team can 
win promotion to provide some joy in this otherwise terribly dark period.
Sean


-Original Message-
From: Richard Walker via Leedslist 
To: John Boocock ; leedslist@gn.apc.org 
; Nicholas Armit ; Richard Naef 

Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2020 2:52 am
Subject: Re: [LU] David DRB Brennan

 Likewise. RIP. Hopefully a win tomorrow for DRB. 
    On Thursday, 25 June 2020, 20:43:55 BST, Richard Naef 
 wrote:  
 
 I don't think I met him, but like the rest of you lot, consider him kind of 
family

Sent from my Mobile.


From: Nicholas Armit 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 7:56:38 PM
To: John Boocock ; leedslist@gn.apc.org 
; Richard Naef 
Subject: Re: [LU] David DRB Brennan

I didn't know Dave, but obviously read him on the list. My condolences to his 
family John.

Nick

On Thursday, June 25, 2020, 01:04:49 PM EDT, Richard Naef 
 wrote:


Thanks for letting us know John, sad news of another loss.  Please pass on my 
wishes if you speak to the family again.

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
Of John Boocock
Sent: 25 June 2020 15:47
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] David DRB Brennan

Dear All,

Earlier this week we heard of the sad death of one of the earliest members and 
most loved characters from the list, David “DRB” Brennan.
Not only was DRB a list regular in the 90s as a trawl through the archives held 
by James Lundon proved but he also wrote a lot of good stuff.

As a season ticket-holder he used to go to reserve matches at The Shay and (as 
well as Maggie Barber) post regular reports of the reserves’
progress. He was a regular source of ticket information and became very 
friendly with Mandy in the ticket office especially when trying to find out 
what times cup matches would be played and what the ticket allocations would be.

DRB and his wife Kate were part of a gang that regularly met pre-match (he was 
an Adolphi regular), he was at the MOALM and he was the man behind the 
sponsored head shave at the first Euronet in 1996.

Like others on the list he was a Northern Soul boy, coming from Horsforth what 
else would he be?

One of the friendliest, funniest and kindest blokes I have had the pleasure to 
meet he will always be the example I would use of what the list is about.

DRB leaves behind, Kate and the two boys Sid and Bradley and we have been in 
touch to send our sympathy. No date has been set for what will be a very small 
family funeral but his brother-in-law suggests there might be a memorial 
service in the future. The family has asked, if anyone wishes to, that 
donations are made to MIND which is a charity DRB supported. 
(https://www.mind.org.uk/donate/)

We checked with the family before we posted anything to the list and they were 
happy for us to do this. As we get more information, we will pass this on but 
in the meantime please enjoy the following post to the list from 1996, it’s 
typical of the DRB we knew and loved (that and the bloody song he wrote about 
Tomas Brolin!)

RIP DRB.

Betty

From:    
VBORMC:"hss...@lucs-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk"
 "D.R. BRENNAN"
20-FEB-1996 11:22:41.54
To:    leeds-uni...@vax.ox.ac.uk
Subj:    LU: Interview

Interviewer: Mr Wilkinson, as your team selection for some games over the past 
few months has  been, shall we say, "innovative" what will be your policy for 
the Port Vale game?

HW: Well, all things considered, and bearing in mind that our players have had 
a hectic autograph signing session recently, and it will be a bit chilly, I 
think 11 players will suffice.

Interviewer: Mr Wilkinson, does this mean that even though your African players 
are back from international duty, you will not use them?

HW: All things being equal, Tony, Phil and Lucas are definitely players, and 
players want to play, want to play, but there can only be so many players, who 
play, so they may play a part in playing but it's not so warm for players who 
normally play, normally play, in a warmer climate.

Interviewer: It was suggested that in the Aston Villa game, you may have been 
better playing an attacking side, as the defence, containing so many 
youngsters, was unlikely to keep Villa out, offence being the best sort of 
defence.

HW: Youngsters, youngsters.  I was young once, and wanted to play, wanted to 
play.  You've got to give them a goal, I mean go, they may be short of pace, 
but Rob Bowman has got the same name as the Producer of the X Files, so who 
knows what might happen, might happen.  I picked the best side for the game, 
for the game.  When I start telling you where to use a metaphor instead of a 
simile, and when to employ 

Re: [LU] Harrison

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I was at that game but had totally forgotten that goal! (I do remember Eddie 
Gray playing a blinder, though.) 
Cheers!
Sean


-Original Message-
From: John Lee via Leedslist 
To: Robert Heath 
Cc: Leeds List 
Sent: Tue, Mar 10, 2020 9:44 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Harrison

When Kevin Jasper Hird played 3 one-twos and slotted home from the edge of the 
box in the away FA Cup tie at Wolves he pretty much got the lifelong best goal 
ever for me (until Yeboah came along).



> On 10 Mar 2020, at 07:41, Robert Heath  wrote:
> 
> Yep good point. That was a great goal...but Harrison's was more
> reminiscent of Eddie's in the way he picked his way through a forest of
> defenders, whereas Wallace ran half the pitch but only beat a defender
> every now and then as he cruised along.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 8:04 AM Ian Murray 
> wrote:
> 
>> Wallace v Spurs?
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> *From:* Leedslist  on behalf of Robert
>> Heath 
>> *Sent:* Monday, 9 March 2020 11:25 PM
>> *To:* Leeds List 
>> *Subject:* [LU] Harrison
>> 
>> 1. If that one that hit the post had gone in it would have been the best
>> individual goal at Elland Road since Eddie Gray v Burnley.
>> 
>> 2. Am I right in thinking that Harrison has hit the woodwork in each of the
>> last 4 matches?
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Re: [LU] : Kiko's ban

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I've tried downloading the FA's pdf 20 times, and each time I get a "network 
error" message. I don't usually have that problem with pdfs (I have a Macbook 
Air laptop).  Has anyone on the List successfully accessed that pdf? The only 
article so far I've seen is by Graham Smyth on the YEP website, and it just 
focuses on the FA's defense of its use of "balance of probability," not on the 
details of the events in question. I have yet to actually read anywhere in the 
past five months a detailed account that answers the following questions:
What is Casilla is alleged to have said? In what language?At what point in the 
game is he alleged to have said it?What did Casilla say he said?The game was 
televised [I watched it], so does video exist of this moment in the game?Who 
was reasonably within earshot of Casilla at that moment? (including players, 
match officials, photographers and cameramen, stewards, etc)? Of those people, 
how many were interviewed?What did those people say?Etc. Etc. Etc.


-Original Message-
From: Ed Morrish 
To: list leedslist 
Sent: Tue, Mar 3, 2020 12:37 pm
Subject: [LU] : Kiko's ban

Full written reasoning here:

http://www.thefa.com/news/2020/mar/03/kiko-casilla-written-reasons-030320

Ed.

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Re: [LU] Any reports?

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Fully agreed. And I must have missed some message about things moving to 
WhatsApp.


-Original Message-
From: James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist 
To: Jim Moran 
Cc: LeedsList 
Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2020 7:10 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Any reports?

 Jim et al,
WhatsApp is great for quick updates but the list must survive for more 
"complex" discussions :-).  
We have made it to 25 years not out.  Thirty years will tick over in June/Jule 
2022!
James.

    On Friday, 28 February 2020, 12:07:02 GMT, Jim Moran  
wrote:  
 
 There were some scores on the whatsapp. The list is dead, long live the list.
On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 12:04, James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist 
 wrote:

RE: Middlesbro 
Dave? Rich?
Was it on some sort of stream/telly?
Are we sucking diesel or inhaling fumes?
James.
P.S. Fun fact: you can get the COVID-19 multiple times!
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Re: [LU] shoot rich and wap

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I'm not so sure I want our players trying potshots from outside the box. Very, 
very few of them seem to have the ability to hit the target from there. Dallas 
and Alioski are major offenders - each of them is good for at least one shot 
from outside the box that flies over the bar each game. I'm not sure either of 
them have even hit the target from that range this season, let alone scored. 
I'd leave it to Pablo, at most. What we're not good at doing is shooting on 
sight from inside the box - Costa had an opportunity to do that yesterday and 
passed instead. Bamford sometimes does the same, when he's not shooting tamely 
at the keeper.
Cheers!
Sean

-Original Message-
From: N If 
To: leedslist 
Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2020 9:42 am
Subject: [LU] shoot rich and wap

interested that Slavan Bilic this week told WBA to start shooting from
outside the box due to their diminishing 'efficiency'.  Seemed that really
only our full backs (and CFs) were keen to have potshots, and reasonably
close to target. Was everyone else blocked off? Are we coached to keep
passing till a clear chance emerges? are the others getting a bit scared to
miss?

read a report masquerading under the name of Rich Walker - what have you
done with the real RW? (good report - essential reading as always and great
to see you pleased with the team!).Did you hear the Robins commentator
claim Bill's goal was how a Centre Forward should seize his opportunities?

Betty's What'sApp link told me to go away.  Is there a magic trick?

Cheers
Niffit
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Re: [LU] We're doomed

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Completely agree, Kevin.
If Bielsa persists with a 4-1-4-1 formation, I'd go with Meslier in goal (for 
obvious reasons), a back four of Dallas at right back (his best position), 
Cooper and White at center half, and Berardi at left back (we all know Berardi 
has his limitations, but his defending has been better this season, and he's 
got fighting spirit which has deserted players like Ayling, who I would drop.
Phillips obviously plays defensive midfield.
The four attacking midfielders are a challenge, mostly because of our small 
squad and the injuries that are to be expected when you train that small squad 
to within an inch of their lives while making so many of them play 50-odd games 
a season (including internationals and cup games). Without the injured quartet 
of Roberts, Forshaw, Bogusz and Davis, I'd probably go with Harrison on the 
left (he always tries, even if his final ball is usually to the opposition or 
out of play), Klich and Shackleton in the middle and Poveda on the right. If 
another central midfielder were available I'd drop Klich. It's ludicrous to 
play him in every single game for two years and expect him to retain the 
freshness and initiative that characterized his performances in the first half 
of last season.
Up front we seem to have only one choice: Bamford. Augustin is (apparently) not 
match fit yet (if he were, I'd drop Bamford and play him), while Roberts and 
Edmondson are injured.
When we get another fit striker, I'd be tempted to go 3-5-2 (adding a striker 
and dropping Dallas from the above first XI) to make sure we're winning more 
ball in midfield, getting more bodies into the box and giving the opposition 
manager something to deal with that he wasn't expecting. I also think Klich 
needs a rest.
There may be someone I'm forgetting here, but as I've said previously, I think 
Bielsa's approach improves most teams markedly but contains the seeds of 
ultimate failure (if promotion/trophy winning is considered success).
Cheers!
Sean


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From: Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) 
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Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2020 8:28 am
Subject: Re: [LU] We're doomed

Doomed?
Obviously football is not an exact science, and I'm never keen on choosing 
players based on stats.

Whilst Bielsa has taken the team to wonderful places over the last couple of 
years, he has also repeated many 'mistakes'.
His solutions to problems do not seem to change, however many times they fail.

Last season there were not enough chances being created or taken with the 
possession we had.  Same this year.
Last season we had to mix and match at centre-back, left-back, centre midfield 
and up front.  Sometimes not having a recognised player in the starting X1 in 
those roles, let alone on the bench.  The same has happened this year.
Last season Casilla's antics cost us at the end, and the same is happening this 
year.
Last season  - complete ineptness in the workings of the English transfer 
system left us short of players.  Same again.
I could probably go on.

Bielsa may be a football coaching genius, but to think that last year's 
failings would not be repeated if the same problems were not addressed is 
arrogant and stupid.
I cannot think of another coach in any sport who would have done that.

So - onto tonight's game.
It would be great to see him change a few things around to freshen things up, 
it is what teams need now and again.

I'd love him to drop Costa, play Hernandez on the right, bring in Shackleton 
and Phillips.
Choose between Dallas and Alioski at Left back, but what Mbuemo could do to 
either of them is frightening.
Pontus to score from a corner?

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Re: [LU] Forest

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Not only that, but he played our best right back in midfield (again!). I gave 
up believing a long time ago.


-Original Message-
From: Richard Walker via Leedslist 
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Sent: Sun, Feb 9, 2020 6:52 am
Subject: [LU] Forest

I think this was the only time I've watched Leeds this season and thought that 
to a man they were poor. Poor passing, poor control, poor set pieces ... 
eveything was poor. I do think Harrison's final ball is poor 75% fhe time but 
how do explain some of those misplaced passes last night ? How do you explain 
the throwing from Ayling straight into touch, how do you explain Costa who beat 
his man everytime against Millwall not managing to do that once ?
Yes, they're a big awkward, championship team and we saw that at Elland Road. 
Little ability but they've got height and have a manager who promotes a hard 
work ethic. So I think they are difficult opposition for a passing team like us 
but that does not excuse some of our play. 
It certainly doesn't excuse our keeper, who is now makng schoolboy errors on a 
weekly basis. Beaten at his near post twice recently is criminal for a keeper 
reportedly pulling in top wages. We've seen Meslier against Arsenal and know he 
can do a job and I liked the look of the lad who played for the U23s on Friday 
night. Get one of them in for Brentford. 
One thing nobody has discussed is Bielsa and his tactics. Playing Ayling at 
centre back and White as holding midfield player. What the fuck ? If we're 
absolutely going to insist we have to play every fucking game with a holding 
midfielder then surely we've got a midfielder at the club who can play that 
positiion in Philips's absence ? Yes Bielsa will point out that his second 
person for that role in his inflexible 2 players per position rule is long term 
injured (Forshaw) so why the fuck haven't we brought someone in during the 
transfer window to do that role and cover Philips ? Rather than bring in 
another winger who can't get in the team and a forward who is not fit ? It's 
madness and Bielsa and his narrow minded obsessions are beginning to get on my 
tits.
Yes, we've seen White stroll though the midfield and play some decent balls but 
what from that tells you he can play midfield ? He's a fucking centre back, our 
best centre back, and Bielsa makes a decision to play the most important game 
of our season with a right back at centre back and our best centre back in 
midfield ? Totally naive football management that I would expect from Kevin 
Blackwell and the Hock but not the great Bielsa, the masterful tactician and 
the bloke who has won fuck all and looks like winning fuck all at Leeds. 
Rant over, but I was livid last night. Some of White's contributions last night 
were terrible and I felt sorry for the lad. 
We're struggling, I think Bielsa is struggling but we're still there and we 
still have to believe.  
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Re: [LU] Still a glimmer?

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OR, we retain Corberan as manager, he starts to blend in the Under-23s who won 
the national title last year (and on penalties - an actual winning mentality, 
compared to the senior squad), keeping the best of the Bielsa system while 
tweaking to allow things like different tactical set-ups for different 
opponents, squad rotation, set-piece routines, a club psychologist, etc. You 
never know what might happen, especially if supporters and pundits expect us to 
fail, rather than expect us to win every game (which heaps pressure on the 
team).
Cheers!
Sean


-Original Message-
From: Alec McQueen 
To: Robert Heath 
Cc: Leeds List 
Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2020 8:17 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] Still a glimmer?

Nah. Losing play off semis again. Bielsa leaves in summer, we go back to normal 
next year: journeyman boss and 14th. 

At least then we can remove the hope. 

“It’s not the despair, I can cope with the despair. It’s the hope, the hope...”


Sent from my iPad

> On 9 Feb 2020, at 11:50, Robert Heath  wrote:
> 
> I just had a little look at the remaining fixtures, and I noticed this: We
> are on a tough run now, which will continue for the next 2 games, but after
> that we only have to play one other club currently in the top 7. By
> contrast, WBA have to play 5 of those clubs, Fulham have to play 6, Forest
> have to play 4, Brentford have to play 3 (after they've played us.)
> 
> AND we don't have to play Wigan again (hopefully ever!)
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Re: [LU] Reading

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Shack also has that positive, forward-passing mindset mindset. Clarke had it 
before 'Boro away last season.
Cheers!
Sean


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From: nigel 
To: 'leeds list' 
Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2019 5:50 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] Reading

Yep. I agree pretty much 100%

Thought Alioski made all the difference - he thinks about going forward and 
(crucially) passing forwards first and foremost, which is something nobody else 
in the team seems to consider (apart from White).  And that attitude is 
thankfully infectious.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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Sent: 26 November 2019 22:41
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Reading

All the possession but no idea. I thought we were poor tonight especially first 
half. Every final pass going astray and players just incapable of passing a 
ball to a team mate. Hernandez was particularly poor, he has a real knack of 
passing a simple ball to the opposition. He achieves it with ease. Roberts 
didn’t offer nothing as at Luton and to be honest his injury was the best thing 
that happened. 

Second half was better as we upped the tempo and when Allioski came on for the 
awful Klich he made a real difference. Costa played ok and the goal was a great 
break but even that was a deflected cross to Harrison who did well to head home 
( Bamford take note). It was Harrison’s only contribution to the game.

Great win, poor performance , top of the league and you can’t argue with that.

Casilla - 7 some decent saves.

Ayling - 5. A couple of half decent crosses but generally doesn’t offer half as 
much as Dallas going forward or the right.

Cooper - 7 solid

White - 9 Best defender and best midfielder. This lad is the business.

Klich -2 terrible. Passes loose , just not effective. It might be a time for a 
rest.

Philips - 5. Some good defensive work but his passing especially second half 
was terrible. Completely lost it. Not sure about his pieces either.

Hernandez - 5. Saw lots of the ball but didn’t do much with it.

Dallas - 6. Not happy in midfield but still created some good chances. Hit the 
bar.

Harrison - 5. Scored the winner but very ineffective on the wing.

Bamford - 3. Cant really remember any serious contribution.

Roberts - 1 didn’t contribute before going off injured

Subs

Allioski - 8 lively , made a difference

Costa - 7 his best performance so far

Shack - on for a couple of minutes.

Is Eddie fit for Saturday ?







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Re: [LU] Preston

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Robert,
I don't think that's going to happen. There just aren't goals in this team, nor 
are there many naturally creative players. Bielsa prefers very fit automatons 
(Harrison, Klich, Forshaw, etc.) to naturally creative players (e.g. Clarke, 
Roberts) and natural finishers (Nketiah). The team has become SO predictable 
and should come as no surprise that we never hammer anyone.
Cheers!
Sean


-Original Message-
From: Robert Heath 
To: Richard Naef 
Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Sent: Wed, Oct 23, 2019 5:31 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Preston

I think we all agree that 98% of our game is brilliant. The only problem is
that the 2% just happens to be crucial in terms of getting results.

I think (and hope) that the problem has become a psychological one now. If
you think we are frustrated by our finishing, how do you think the players
(esp Bamford) must be feeling? You would think that Bielsa is absolutely
hammering finishing in his training sessions, and I'm guessing that in
training they are all rippling the net from all angles and
distances.but in matches they can't get it done.

If it is just that, one would HOPE that all we need is that one game, which
we have all been predicting is coming along any time now, when it all
clicks and we give some team (Sheffield Weds for example) a pasting on the
scoreboard as well as on the possession stats, and then they can all relax
and the goals will flow for ever.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:54 AM Richard Naef <
rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:

> Thanks Nif and Nick for a perspective.  Things aren't perfect, footballers
> are often stupid and do the wrong thing.  But we are inches from being
> superb, and MB is working every second to achieve that.
>
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Re: [LU] Beradi

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I don't understand why we can't (and couldn't yesterday) have started with a 
back four of Douglas at left back, White and Ayling as center backs, and Dallas 
at right back (where he'd been playing really well this season). There was no 
need to jury rig everything in order to make Dallas an attacking central 
midfielder (!) when we had Roberts available. The penalty and sending off were 
terrible decisions, but Berardi gave the ref the opportunity to make them. I 
like the spirit Berardi brings, but it's hard to avoid the conclusion that he's 
a complete liability. 


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From: Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
To: Leeds List ; Tim Whelan 
Sent: Sun, Oct 6, 2019 8:24 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Beradi

 Guess we will see Strujk (sp?) maybe
    On Sunday, October 6, 2019, 07:51:50 AM EDT, Tim Whelan 
 wrote:  
 
  It's only a one game suspension for a 'professional foul'. But the club have 
announced that they will appeal against it, and so they should.
    On Saturday, 5 October 2019, 19:30:52 BST, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Is that three games suspension or just one if it is for the last man?
Dreadful decision either way. In fact three dreadful decisions...the dive, the 
red and the missed penalty at the other end.
Nick
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Re: [LU] Charlton

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This has been the problem since (roughly) Christmas, if not earlier, last 
season. The bottom line is that the players upon whom Bielsa relies to win the 
ball and keep possession for 90 minutes - the superbly fit, strong players like 
Harrison, Klich, Forshaw, Alioski (and I'd even include Bamford) - are not the 
players who will create loads of good chances, let alone put them away. Forshaw 
hasn't scored for three years! To include more creative, chance-making and 
taking players - Nketiah, Clarke, Costa - in the first XI, Bielsa would have to 
accept a lower percentage of possession. This is something he's clearly 
unwilling to do.
One partial solution to the problem would be to fix our corners. There's been a 
lot of talk about our "problem" conceding from set pieces, but as we've let in 
fewer goals than any other team in the division, this "problem" is only 
relative. If we turned the same percentage of our corners into goals as we 
concede from the opposition's corners, we'd win every game. But Bielsa, for all 
his magic, doesn't seem interested in doing anything other than have Phillips 
thump the ball into the middle of the box for the opposition to head out. I 
can't understand why we don't try short corner routines with 
Pablo/Costa/Clarke/Shackleton playing one-twos along the byline, then sending a 
low, dangerous cross fizzing into the six-yard box.
Cheers!
Sean

-Original Message-
From: John Lee via Leedslist 
To: Ted 
Cc: leedslist 
Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 5:29 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

Am I imagining this, or did Bielsa not say at the end of last season that he 
didn’t think these players could do it all again? I think he was using it as 
‘motivation’ when trying to win the last few games, but maybe he was near the 
mark? 

I still think most of our play is enough to get us up, but the approach to 
goal, whether via crossing, shooting or trying to pass it through 7 man 
defences, is THE problem. I don’t even think it’s the ‘fault’ of individual 
players (although Harrison’s crossing drives me nuts!), but the system. That is 
down to the manager, and he has to get to grips with it, otherwise ...



Sent from my iPad

> On 28 Sep 2019, at 17:48, Ted  wrote:
> 
> I really don't know what the answer is!
> 
> We dominate games with great football (at times), but it just isn't going
> for us!
> 
> I just think, more of the same and it might click. Other than spending
> millions in Jan (which we don't have), what is the answer?
> 
> Saying that, these last 2 seasons have been a lot more entertaining than
> most of the previous 14 - and I suppose at the end of the day I pay to be
> entertained!
> 
> So I'll just keep the faith and believe in Bielsa!
> 
> (By the way, Man City's away kit?)
> 
> Ted H
> 
> 
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, 17:39 Richard Walker via Leedslist, <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> 
>> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and
>> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today
>> was a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics.
>> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2
>> up front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off
>> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop
>> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like
>> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell
>> is going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the
>> players by paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms
>> in the air frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central
>> midfield in that 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he
>> got the ball he had no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come
>> down the wings and that just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been
>> most fans choice to start but today's performance maybe tells you why he
>> hasn't. He was bloody awful. Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red
>> shirt and he was unable to take on his man. A real luxury player today we
>> could have done without.
>> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most effective
>> player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got into more
>> good positions than anyone,
>> Charlton were poor but they had a bit of pace and lots of fight in them
>> and they frustrated the hell out of us. Second half was appalling time
>> wasting but we could have still be playing all night and wouldn't have
>> scored today.
>> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two
>> players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in
>> Klich who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest
>> disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought.
>> Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion
>> 

Re: [LU] LU leeds Derby

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Hitting the post isn't "okay" when you're a yard out and the keeper is going 
the wrong way. That miss cost us the game.


-Original Message-
From: Robert Heath 
To: Richard Naef 
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Sat, Sep 21, 2019 11:38 am
Subject: Re: [LU] LU leeds Derby

Unfortunately, you have to give credit to bloody Don Goodman, who called
the last 20 mins perfectly.

Some points though..Bamford made the goal, won the pen and hit the
post. That's an OK outing for a CF.

Did we look any better when Costa & Nketiah came on? (No.)

On a broader scale though, we obviously have a massive psychological
problem at home. Hopefully, we will get over that soon, but until then if
we win our away games and draw our home games we'll be OK.

On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 5:31 PM Richard Naef <
rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:

> Very True, but the best bit was the first 60 mins.
>
> Sent from my Mobile.
>
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of JONATHAN
> WYNNE via Leedslist 
> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 3:04:08 PM
> To: Nicholas Armit ; ni...@sykesonline.com <
> ni...@sykesonline.com>; leedslist@gn.apc.org 
> Subject: Re: [LU] LU leeds Derby
>
> Worst thing about it was the crushing inevitability of their equaliser.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Saturday, September 21, 2019, 2:58 pm, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
> Really dont know what to say after that game. Astonishing.
> Nick
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Saturday, September 21, 2019, 9:49 AM, ni...@sykesonline.com wrote:
>
> Certainly at home.  I was saying the same thing to my lad in the middle of
> the first half.
>
> > Seems obvious to me
> > Bamford and Eddie together ??
> >
> >Best regards,Scott.
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Re: [LU] Shooting.

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I tend to have a more glass-half-empty view of this. I noticed it last season 
too, particularly in the second half of the season. I think it's a reflection 
of the fact that the players that Bielsa needs in his first XI to win the ball, 
dominate the opposition and move it up to the final third are in most cases not 
the players in the squad who you'd want on the field in the final third to 
carve the opposition open. This is one of the reasons why our domination isn't 
reflected in goals scored - because we're relying on Forshaw, Harrison, Klich, 
Alioski, etc. to make those breakthroughs, when really I'd like to wave a magic 
wand as soon as we get into the final third and replace them with Clarke, 
Costa, Bogusz and Nketiah. Too often our midfielders approach the penalty area 
with the ball, can't see a pass on and so lump a hopeless shot wide of the 
post, over the bar or tamely straight into the keepers waiting arms. Unless 
it's Pablo, I just would rather they pass it backwards, frankly.
Cheers!
Sean


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From: Richard Naef 
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2019 10:07 am
Subject: [LU] Shooting.

Instead of noodling around with the ball and trying to walk it in, looks like 
everyone has been told to have a go from outside the box.  Zero gone in yet, 
but there'll be some beauties when they do.



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Re: [LU] Brentford

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Rich,
I agree with almost everything you wrote. But if you look at the goal again, 
Bamford's not really "marked." He moves into space for Costa to cut the ball 
back to him, but Costa chose the arguably more difficult pass, threading it 
past two retreating defenders to the waiting Nketiah.Bamford's movement made 
one of the defenders check back a half step, which made the difference. Great 
goal, and one that I hope we recreate on a regular basis.

Cheers!
Sean

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From: Richard walker via Leedslist 
To: nat...@sky.com 
Cc: Leeds List 
Sent: Thu, Aug 22, 2019 2:34 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Brentford

Few thoughts.

Good win against a lively Brentford team who were unlucky not to be 1 up at 
half time due to the woodwork. It was a fast paced, frantic game of low 
quality, especially from us at times. We gave the ball away time after time 
after getting in good positions. Pablo had his worst game for Leeds before 
being dragged off. He hardly contributed and when he did get the ball he 
frequently gave it away. Hopefully he’ll be back on song at the weekend but 
overalll his distribution has to improve.
I think Harrison’s position in the team is questionable with Costa breathing 
down his neck. For me Harrison has seen a lot the ball this season but hasn’t 
really produced. I thought he was poor last night and although it’s always 
easier coming on as a sub Costa has a yard extra of pace and acceleration.

Observation on the goal - as Costa breaks down the wing Bamford moves 
instinctively to the front post where he is marked, Eddie instinctively ghosts 
out to the back post unmarked. Easy pass to Eddie and goal and the very clear 
difference in natural goal poacher v unnatural goal poacher. Is there room for 
2 strikers ? I think so. For me Eddie cannot sit on the bench. He offers us 
something that we currently don’t have.

So good win but that’s the second time at home that we’ve struggled. You could 
say that Forest and Brentford might be play off contenders and they’re good 
wins or you could say that we’re not firing at home yet.

Still top of the league and unbeaten.



> On 22 Aug 2019, at 06:53, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> Costa to Nketiah and GOAL Commentators had better get used to saying that as 
> our 2 new players combined again 
> Over 35,000 fans ,for a game that would have been lucky to attract 20,000 a 
> few seasons ago,  24 years after Yeboah thunderbolt, saw new boy Eddie tap in 
> from a yard, but his goal was all about anticipation awareness and being 
> right place right time
> This could be the difference this season - players on the bench who can come 
> on and make a difference 
> First half was very even as they chased and harried us at every turn and we 
> missed that zip and sharpness. They had the best 2 chances, a shot that hit 
> the post when we allowed their midfielder time and space,  then a close range 
> shot that Kiko saved.
> Our main efforts were mis directed headers
> 2nd half they could not keep it up and we camped in their half but only 
> created half chances. Bielsa subbed pablo & Harrison both ineffectual on the 
> night and brought on Costa and Eddie. 
> Costa got to the byline and put in a sublime cross and Eddie became an 
> instant hero
> The crowd chanted Eddie  Eddie Eddie but followed it up with a song for 
> Bamford who had led the line well and put in the effort 
> So we turned a draw last season into a win and sent 35k fa s home happy (I 
> have heard Swansea game is sold out with 10 days to go)
> As for pontus, he ignored us and we ignored him- game wise I hardly noticed 
> him, whereas Ben white was excellent again 
> Dave
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[LU] LU: Take Us Home

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So I finally finished the documentary this evening. It's very moving and I 
would recommend it. A few observations:
- It's clearly not a completely independent production. While there are 
controversial episodes covered (Bamford's feigning getting whacked against 
Villa, Spygate, etc. etc.) there's very little new information revealed about 
these. (For instance, a more "newsy" documentary might have interviewed the 
intern/employee who actually did the spying against Derby.) Some important 
episodes are completely omitted. (For example, there is absolutely no mention 
of Jack Clarke's bizarre collapse on the bench at 'Boro, let alone an 
explanation of what caused it, beyond the vague "virus" that the club belatedly 
told us about.) 
- The series does not go into great detail about most of the squad or the 
backroom team. There's no mention of the under-23s winning the national 
championship, no real discussion of Carlos Corberan, Jack Clarke, Jamie 
Shackleton, etc.
- It's a brilliant portrayal of the human side of the club: players, management 
and supporters. You'd need the proverbial heart of stone not to be affected by 
the scenes of the players and backroom staff in tears after the last Derby 
game. In particular, I came away with new respect for Kalvin Phillips, Liam 
Cooper, Marcelo Bielsa, Victor Orta, Angus Kinnear and Andrea Radrizzani. One 
can criticize various personnel decisions that Orta made, particularly in his 
first season, but watching him crying after the Derby game, one can't question 
his commitment. That guy cares.
Also, the scenes with Bob Tappin made it worth the price (okay, it was free 
with Amazon Prime) on their own.
Anyway, I came away feeling even more proud to be a Leeds United supporter, 
which I didn't think was possible after all these years.
Cheers!
Sean



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Re: [LU] Conceding from set-pieces

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Kevin,
I tend to agree. But I am also concerned that we are not scoring from 
set-pieces. For a manager who supposedly likes to leave as little as possible 
to chance, I find Bielsa's approach to set-pieces baffling:
CORNERS
As you noted, we don't have any dominant aerial threats in the team. 
Nonetheless under Bielsa our corners seem to involve little more than lumping 
it into a crowded penalty area and hoping someone in white (or "platinum") gets 
his head to the ball. On the rare occasions this actually happens, it's usually 
Liam Cooper who always manages to head just wide or just over the bar. I do not 
understand why we don't work our corner routines to have 
Clarke/Costa/Hernandez/Shackleton driving along the end line towards the 
penalty area, forcing the opposition to tackle him in the box or allowing him 
to cut the ball back to a Leeds player in a scoring position. Clarke in 
particular has shown an ability to dribble past challenges in that situation. 
Our chances of scoring or winning a penalty would be much higher than the 
current approach, in my opinion.
FREE KICKS
Wasn't the word on Douglas when he arrived that he was some sort of free kick 
specialist? Has he scored a single goal for us from a free kick? Again, just 
like with corners, there's little evidence that any preparation goes into our 
free kicks.
PENALTIES
For the first two-thirds of last season I raged at the number of clear 
penalties referees were denying us. For the last third of the season I bit my 
tongue, as we repeatedly missed the penalties we were given. Again, this is 
something that a world-class coach ought to be able teach.
Cheers!
Sean


-Original Message-
From: Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) 
To: Leeds List (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Sent: Mon, Aug 12, 2019 4:18 am
Subject: [LU] Conceding from set-pieces

I know it is the way Bielsa wants to play, it looks good and contributes to 
dominating possession, but -

Having 2 Center Back barely 6ft tall and the back up players only 5ft 10 meand 
we are very vulnerable.  From time-to-time all teams need to see out games 
where they have a narrow lead, having not scored the goals their domination has 
earned.

It is why Van Dijk made such a difference to Liverpool and Scum needed Maguire. 
 I just don't see Leeds having that capability with the current crop of Centre 
Backs.


I think it will cost a top 2 place more than any other factor.


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Re: [LU] New away kit

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It's absolutely horrible. I can't believe they thought this was appropriate 
ever, let alone our centenary year. Why on earth can't our second kit always be 
some version of the mid-70s Admiral all yellow with blue-and-white piping away 
strip? At the very, very least all of our kits should only include the colors 
yellow, blue and white.
Cheers!
Sean


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From: nat...@sky.com 
To: Leeds List 
Sent: Wed, Jul 31, 2019 2:32 pm
Subject: [LU] New away kit

WOW - just seen on our official Twitter page - it is grey with neon pink trim 
and names/number 
Dave
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Re: [LU] BPF

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Dave,
Did Kiko's performances towards the end of last season (especially Derby at 
Elland Road) not count as "losing it altogether"?
I think this is a mistake. Casilla is supposedly the highest-paid player in the 
squad, but proved last season that he is not a player upon whom we can rely 
when the pressure is on. If one of our keepers had to go, I'd have sold 
Casilla, and used the money to bring in a proven goalscorer with a record of 
not getting injured.
Cheers!
Sean


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Sent: Wed, Jul 31, 2019 2:03 pm
Subject: [LU] BPF

Looks like BPF is off to Burnley for 3.5m
He was decent enough for us but prone to mistakes especially with shots from 
distance - maybe time and experience could sort that 
He was not going to be 1st choice so not a great loss unless Kiko gets injured 
, banned or loses it altogether 
No idea if Huffer and Maziek are God enough
If the money allows us to get a good centre back or Ryan Kent then it is good 
business,  if it just goes towards FFP or whatever then not so good 
Dave
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Re: [LU] Phil Hay

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Guy,
Phil announced his departure a week or more ago. He hasn't said what his next 
gig is, but as he's said he's going to still be covering Leeds United I think 
the smart money is on him joining The Athletic, which is moving into English 
football coverage in a big way. An outside bet would be him joining the staff 
of Four Four Two, as it's now edited by noted Leeds supporter James Brown.
Cheers!
Sean


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Sent: Mon, Jul 1, 2019 3:38 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] Phil Hay

Maybe I've missed it but Phil Hay has left the YEP, not just stopped being the 
Leeds person on the paper?
So what's the lowdown, why has he left and where is he now?

guy


On 30 Jun 2019 at 12:54, nat...@sky.com wrote:

> Not sure if his info is 100% accurate (though no reason to think that it is 
> not) since he left YEP but he has tweeted a lot of interesting info this last 
> few days, all of which is positive for the coming season2 for the future 
> (albeit they reckon McCarron has been 'promised' a chance in first team IF he 
> impresses - a back up centre back , a really positive signing (Costa), the 
> re-singing of one who splits opinion (Harrison) and most oddly of all (not 
> sure how I feel and the point of it in some way) the fact that Clarke could 
> be back on loan.  Hay also thinks there is a chance with Ryan KentProbably 
> losing Wilks and Halme - either on loan or permanent
> Rafa MujicaWill be signing for Leeds United shortly. Twenty-year-old and 
> Spain U19 international who is coming from Barcelona's B squad:
> 
> Leeds United close to signing 18-year-old winger Liam McCarron from Carlisle 
> United. One for the future but will command a six-figure fee
> 
> Brighton centre-back Ben White to undergo a medical with Leeds United today. 
> Season-long loan.
> 
> Jack Harrison due to sign on loan from Manchester City tomorrow. If all goes 
> well in the next 24/48 hours, Helder Costa will follow from Wolves
> 
> Interesting - hearing that Jack Clarke will rejoin Leeds United on loan after 
> he signs for Tottenham tomorrow
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Re: [LU] good article

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Pablo? Is he off?


-Original Message-
From: Richard Naef 
To: Leeds List 
Sent: Wed, May 22, 2019 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [LU] good article


> Understand Viera has done pretty well in Italy?

I understand he's started 5 all season, with anther 8 sub appearances, so not 
massive, but hen again Sampadoria are 1st division.  We'l have the wages saved 
from Pablo, Harrison and Brown, plus any cash we get in from Ekuban and any of 
the other loanees we can sell on.

If we had managed to convert another 20% of the chances we created we'd be 
going up as champions.  IF we get an injury free season out of Roofe, Bamford 
and Tyler, we'll be OK - but it’s a BIG IF. 

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From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Nicholas Armit via 
Leedslist
Sent: 22 May 2019 16:30
To: Matt Anderson 
Cc: leedslist 
Subject: Re: [LU] good article

 I think Jansson, Phillips or Roofe will go or maybe two of the three. We need 
money coming in to somewhat balance the books. Wood and Viera were sold for the 
same reason though Woods wanted out I believe.
Understand Viera has done pretty well in Italy?
Nick
    On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 11:13:43 AM EDT, Matt Anderson 
 wrote:  
 
 To be honest if Harrison is worth £20m I’d rather do things on the cheap and 
use the academy 

Without 67 injuries and with the experience of falling short plus a couple of 
decent loans I think we are back in the mix. 

We fell short because of a bit of mental weakness at the end and bad chance 
conversion

I can’t believe we won’t lose someone important though

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> On 22 May 2019, at 15:39, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> No money, no big signings, try to do on the cheap again. This wss the first 
> summer I really thought we had to make a couple of marquee signings to build 
> on the previous season. Oh well.
> Nick
>    On Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 9:55:57 AM EDT, Jeremy Adams 
> wrote:
> 
> According to the YEP the club are already warning of a "difficult" summer in 
> the transfer market and are hinting we'll be looking for academy products to 
> feature more prominently, plus better loan signings...
> 
> https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/lee
> ds-united-latest/andrea-radrizzani-sends-warning-over-difficult-summer
> -transfer-window-for-leeds-united-1-9782913
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Damian 
> Walsh 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 7:56 AM
> To: leedslist
> Subject: Re: [LU] good article
> 
> I don't know if "wiser" is the right term but I certainly hope that 
> the lessons of last season are learnt. Which starts with the transfer 
> window and the recruitment policy that we follow.
> 
> I don't know if it's a good idea to talk in terms of "we need x 
> defenders, y midfielders and z attackers", but I do think that it 
> would be nice for the club to at least tacitly admit that we need to 
> strengthen in some areas and to act accordingly.
> 
> Damian
> 
> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 12:46 PM Richard Naef < 
> rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> I think he'll be wiser next year and will adjust to what he's learnt 
>> and seen about the Championship, that and hopefully a couple of 
>> better players to replace Hernandez and Harrison and some extra cover 
>> in a couple of places and we are all set for winning it (or 13th 
>> place)
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of 
>> nat...@sky.com
>> Sent: 21 May 2019 10:22
>> To: Leeds List 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] good article
>> 
>>  I think that is it i a nutshell - Bielsa has one way of playing and 
>>that  is the way that got a team of average players with a huge injury 
>>crisis  into top place for so long and then 2 up in the play offs - 
>>there is no way  Warnock et al would have managed that - we can wish 
>>all we want that he had  changed everything and held on for 50 minutes 
>>BUT it is not what Bielsa  does so we have to live with it and enjoy 
>>it (which I did immensely) or  bemoan his deficiencies -take your pick 
>>because one thing is for sure, if  he stays, and I really hope he 
>>does, we will play exactly the same way next  season in every game 
>>irrespective of the score at any time in any match
>> Dave-
>>    On Tuesday, 21 May 2019, 00:50:26 BST, Nicholas Armit via 
>>Leedslist <  leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>> 
>>  Dean Smith or Warnock would never have got that squad there in the 
>>first  place.
>>    On Monday, May 20, 2019, 4:18:30 PM EDT, Robert Heath <  
>>heathpalai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  Here's the thingwhen we went 1-0 up the other night, I 
>>am  prettty sure that if we'd have had that Dean Smith or Warnock as 
>>manager,  we would have gone through.
>> So the question is...do we want to succeed ugly or fail  
>>gloriously? (Obvs we would prefer to succeed gloiriously, but that 
>>might  not be an option.) On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 6:57 PM Nicholas 
>>Armit via  Leedslist  

Re: [LU] Weird feeling

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Graham,
These are my thoughts exactly. As I've posted previously, we haven't won a 
knock-out competition of any sort since I started supporting the club in 1973. 
It's got to be automatic or bust for us.
Cheers!
Sean


-Original Message-
From: Graham Farr 
To: Leeds List 
Sent: Wed, May 15, 2019 11:02 pm
Subject: [LU] Weird feeling

As much as I am disappointed I don’t feel as bad as when we missed out on 
automatic because I didn’t expect us to win the play offs although at 2 nil up 
thought we would at least make the final.

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Re: [LU] Today

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I felt that game was typical of much of our season, and why I've felt for 
months that we won't go up.
First, our finishing is not good enough. We dominated possession, had more than 
a dozen shots, but I'm not sure we had a single shot on target. Roberts was the 
most guilty party, with chances in each half to put us ahead, but even Pontus 
could have equalized at the end when he put it wide from a few yards out. We 
just are not consistently sharp enough in front of goal.
Second, we need at least even-handed treatment from the refs, but we don't get 
it (see our penalties awarded stats compared to other top teams). By sending 
off Casilla when there were two Leeds covering defenders, but not sending off 
Baldock for an over-the-top, studs up challenge (having already failed to book 
him for a previous foul), he handed Sheffield United a major advantage. 
Third, Bielsa has to show a bit more adventure with our academy products. I am 
bemused when I read articles that credit Bielsa for giving youth a chance. 
Every chance he gets Bielsa puts a journeyman senior player (Douglas, Dallas) 
on ahead of a more skillful academy product (Clarke, Shackleton). I can't be 
the only supporter to feel completely unexcited when I see Dallas getting ready 
to come on. I've said it numerous times before: Clarke is our most dangerous 
player. Given only 15 minutes today, he still created one of our best chances. 
Our game plan for the next eight games must be to work the ball to him quickly 
when he is in space on the right (not ponderously, passing it to him as a last 
resort when there are no good options left) and let him attack. Clarke's 
crossing is ten times more dangerous than Alioski's. I would start him ahead of 
either Roberts or Harrison. (I am convinced there must be some deal with Man 
City/Pep to start Harrison.) I have also seen enough of Shackleton to convince 
me that he's got more of an eye for a smart pass, and (even) more energy than 
several players who are starting ahead of him.
Anyway, my prediction still stands (even though I desperately hope I'm wrong): 
we will lose the play-off final in which major controversial decisions will go 
against us,
Cheers!
Sean


-Original Message-
From: Nick Allen 
To: leedslist 
Sent: Sat, Mar 16, 2019 11:02 am
Subject: [LU] Today

Mullered them. Hard to believe that we managed to lose that. But the 
performance was good. If we can keep that level of performance up we will go 
up. I would not want to watch them each week.

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Re: [LU] u23s 2-2 80mins

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I think it's crazy to play Shackleton and Clarke for 75 minutes in such an 
unimportant (in the grand scheme of things) game less than 48 hours before the 
most important game of the season.
Sean


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From: Richard Naef 
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Sent: Thu, Mar 14, 2019 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] u23s 2-2 80mins

2-2 with 0 mins to go.  We are down to 10 men after keeper was sent off.  If it 
stays this way Extra time then pens.  

Shackleton & Clarke on as subs.

ttfn

Richard

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To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] u23s 1 0

Half time - been rubbish apart from 3 tackles in a minute, the last a cruncher, 
from BerardiThen on stroke of half time Douglas and Brown linked up on edge of 
box, Brown flicked it back to Douglas who was fouled - definite pen , put away 
with style by Edmondson Both teams poor with the ball and lots of over hit 
passes by us (going out soon so will just need to follow online without video) 
Game to be settled on the night - extra time and pens if needed Dave 
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Re: [LU] Goals v WBA

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Agreed. I was just discussing that with my dad today, how he let things flow 
when a more whistle-happy ref would have completely ruined the game. 
Cheers!
Sean


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From: Richard Walker via Leedslist 
To: Nick 
Cc: Leeds List 
Sent: Sun, Mar 3, 2019 12:29 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] Goals v WBA

One other comment ... the ref, he was brilliant and you don’t say that often.


> On 3 Mar 2019, at 13:51, Nick  wrote:
> 
> all agreed Rob - i’ve just done the same as you as I had some beer related 
> memory issues from Friday evening…
> 
> also, on the 2nd - wonderful flick from Roberts into Bamford
> 
> and on the 4th - if you see film rolled far enough back in the move there’s 
> some fancy footwork from Bamford out on the wing to feed the ball to Pablo...
> 
>> On 3 Mar 2019, at 13:46, Robert Heath  wrote:
>> 
>> Like everybody I suppose, whenever I have a few mins to spare I am going
>> back and watching the goals from Friday.
>> 
>> A couple of things I have noticed after 100 views of each:
>> 1st: Pablo's lack of backlift was incredible. Also, I think he scored with
>> the 12th touch of the ball in the game (and of course they kicked off!)
>> 2nd: Three lovely touches from Bamford before he shot, especially the last
>> one shifting the ball slightly to his left which opened up the far post and
>> also eliminated the chance of the defender sliding in and taking the ball.
>> 3rd: Great play by Roberts, but it all started with yet another great
>> ballwinning tackle from Phillips. He is probably the best at this, along
>> perhaps with Cooper, but somehow Bielsa has taught them all how to win the
>> ball without fouling. Christiansen wanted them to press just like Bielsa
>> does, but the press then just resulted in us charging in and giving away
>> freekicks all the time (and Phillips and Cooper were among the worst.) The
>> only time this hasn't worked, that I have seen, was the Brentford game when
>> they were obviously schooled to just fall over every time we won the ball,
>> and the terrible ref that day gave them freekicks all day long.
>> 4th: There's been some chat on here about the stupid celebration, but what
>> I loved was senior player Ayling singling out teenager Shackleton for a
>> massive hug. Now that suggests great team spirit.
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Re: [LU] On the other hand.

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I found this article on Bielsa and LUFC in the Independent to be quite 
interesting. It's written by the journalist that Bielsa got upset at in the 
post-QPR press conference:
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/leeds-united-news-fc-fixtures-championship-qpr-result-score-marcelo-bielsa-a8799021.html


-Original Message-
From: Ian Murray 
To: dsm...@dsmail.plus.com ; leedslist@gn.apc.org 
; seanscr...@aol.com 
Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2019 11:22 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] On the other hand.

#yiv3197878491 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Whoa - mate we are level on 
points with second place.  We have already beaten them away and they are due to 
come to us.
Bamford is a proven goal scorer.  Yes, the lack of goals is a concern, as is 
our current form but remember, this is the championship.  Everyone loses games.
I know we have effectively had 20 years of garbage but come on, even us Leeds 
fans don't need to be this negative.  We have a great chance for automatic and 
winning the league.  We do have a decent run of fixtures coming up too IIRC.
Please stop panicking.
I
From: Leedslist  on behalf of seanscribe--- via 
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Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2019 12:36 AM
To: dsm...@dsmail.plus.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] On the other hand. I think we are seeing that some of 
Bielsa's strengths are double edged, in that they also contain the seeds of our 
ultimate demise. To wit:
- His loyalty to his core group of players. This doubtless results in 
reciprocal loyalty on the players' part and motivates them to run through a 
proverbial brick wall for him, but it seems to blind him to the need for change 
- and the availability of other options - when members of that core group show 
clear signs of mental fatigue and loss of form (indeed, it just serves to 
reinforce the mental and physical fatigue). Just a few examples of this are the 
failure to find a place in the team for Shackleton when Ayling's form has been 
so poor recently; the insistence on restricting Jack Clarke to second-half 
substitute appearances when he was already clearly the most dangerous player in 
the squad; the failure to even find a place on the bench for Edmondson when our 
team is clearly bereft of a consistent goalscorer in a division in which goal 
difference is likely to be crucial.
- His obsession with leaving no statistical and informational stone unturned in 
his preparations. This led straight to Spygate. Of course it's ridiculous that 
the League fined the club two hundred thousand quid for breaking a rule that 
doesn't exist, but any Leeds supporter over the age of 15 could have told 
Bielsa that if he sent a Leeds employee to observe other clubs' training, and 
that employee was discovered to be doing that, our enemies would pounce on it 
and use it as a stick with which to beat us. This was dumb. It created a 
massive distraction at a crucial time of the season and cost the club a not 
inconsequential sum of money.
- His openness and honesty, when combined with his insistence on sticking to 
only one style of play. By needlessly announcing his first XI for every game 
two days before kickoff, he gives the opposition manager 48 hours in which to 
plan how to counter us. Is it any surprise that as the season has gone on, more 
and more managers have figured this out? This is an absolute own goal. If I 
were Radz I would have told him to stop doing it months ago.
- His insistence on working with a small squad. Bielsa's previous experience in 
Europe was managing sides in La Liga and Ligue 1. Both of those leagues have a 
38-game season (in slightly warmer climes). The Championship has a 46-game 
season, much of it played through in the (mostly north) English winter. In 
addition there are two knockout cups and preseason games, meaning the first 
team is playing more than 50 games per season. For several players (Jansson, 
Klich, Douglas, Peacock-Farrell, Dallas, etc) there is the added burden of 
playing in (and traveling to and from) regular international games. The 
Championship - and English football in general - generally involves a much more 
physically demanding style of play than is the case in the Spanish and French 
top tiers. In addition, Rob Price himself acknowledged recently that players at 
the peak of fitness that Bielsa favors are more likely to get injured. Plus, we 
are Leeds United - we have injury crises that last years (cf: The O'Leary 
years). This all seems to argue for a larger squad than might be the case in 
Bilbao or Marseille. But not only did Bielsa insist on keeping the squad small, 
as players left the squad (Pearce, Saiz, etc.) they weren't replaced. I 
understand that it's easier to build camaraderie with a smaller squad, but are 
Bielsa's motivational skills so limited that he'd be unable to handle a squad 
with a few more players in it (let's say a creative midfielder, a dominant 
central midfielder and a proven, uninjured goalscorer)? I find that hard

Re: [LU] On the other hand.

[seanscribe--- via Leedslist]

I think we are seeing that some of Bielsa's strengths are double edged, in that 
they also contain the seeds of our ultimate demise. To wit:
- His loyalty to his core group of players. This doubtless results in 
reciprocal loyalty on the players' part and motivates them to run through a 
proverbial brick wall for him, but it seems to blind him to the need for change 
- and the availability of other options - when members of that core group show 
clear signs of mental fatigue and loss of form (indeed, it just serves to 
reinforce the mental and physical fatigue). Just a few examples of this are the 
failure to find a place in the team for Shackleton when Ayling's form has been 
so poor recently; the insistence on restricting Jack Clarke to second-half 
substitute appearances when he was already clearly the most dangerous player in 
the squad; the failure to even find a place on the bench for Edmondson when our 
team is clearly bereft of a consistent goalscorer in a division in which goal 
difference is likely to be crucial.
- His obsession with leaving no statistical and informational stone unturned in 
his preparations. This led straight to Spygate. Of course it's ridiculous that 
the League fined the club two hundred thousand quid for breaking a rule that 
doesn't exist, but any Leeds supporter over the age of 15 could have told 
Bielsa that if he sent a Leeds employee to observe other clubs' training, and 
that employee was discovered to be doing that, our enemies would pounce on it 
and use it as a stick with which to beat us. This was dumb. It created a 
massive distraction at a crucial time of the season and cost the club a not 
inconsequential sum of money.
- His openness and honesty, when combined with his insistence on sticking to 
only one style of play. By needlessly announcing his first XI for every game 
two days before kickoff, he gives the opposition manager 48 hours in which to 
plan how to counter us. Is it any surprise that as the season has gone on, more 
and more managers have figured this out? This is an absolute own goal. If I 
were Radz I would have told him to stop doing it months ago.
- His insistence on working with a small squad. Bielsa's previous experience in 
Europe was managing sides in La Liga and Ligue 1. Both of those leagues have a 
38-game season (in slightly warmer climes). The Championship has a 46-game 
season, much of it played through in the (mostly north) English winter. In 
addition there are two knockout cups and preseason games, meaning the first 
team is playing more than 50 games per season. For several players (Jansson, 
Klich, Douglas, Peacock-Farrell, Dallas, etc) there is the added burden of 
playing in (and traveling to and from) regular international games. The 
Championship - and English football in general - generally involves a much more 
physically demanding style of play than is the case in the Spanish and French 
top tiers. In addition, Rob Price himself acknowledged recently that players at 
the peak of fitness that Bielsa favors are more likely to get injured. Plus, we 
are Leeds United - we have injury crises that last years (cf: The O'Leary 
years). This all seems to argue for a larger squad than might be the case in 
Bilbao or Marseille. But not only did Bielsa insist on keeping the squad small, 
as players left the squad (Pearce, Saiz, etc.) they weren't replaced. I 
understand that it's easier to build camaraderie with a smaller squad, but are 
Bielsa's motivational skills so limited that he'd be unable to handle a squad 
with a few more players in it (let's say a creative midfielder, a dominant 
central midfielder and a proven, uninjured goalscorer)? I find that hard to 
believe. The results of all this are now clear for all to see.
If Bielsa (or Corberan, if Bielsa leaves, as seems likely) could find a way to 
bend a little on the above points, and if Radz can find the cash to buy more 
quality while retaining players like Clarke and Jansson, then I'd say we have a 
good chance of going up next season. Otherwise, it'll be more of the same.
Cheers!
Sean


-Original Message-
From: David Smail 
To: leedslist 
Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2019 10:17 am
Subject: Re: [LU] On the other hand.

It wasn't ONLY a "bummer of a result" Our lack of cutting edge is becoming
more and more evident. For all our possession, undoubted fitness, and
willingness, teams know they can let us have the ball for long periods in
the safe knowledge we're unlikely to find an end result. There was only one
well worked move from us that nearly ended in a goal. It's becoming mildly
embarrassing that our same old same old approach isn't yielding many goals.
And then to cap it off, MB always states that with so much possession and
domination, we didn't take our chances. I thought QPR were worthy of their
win last night - they had a sparkle from time to time that we didn't. 

 

I think Brown, Roberts and Douglas are all poor, especially Brown - get him
back to Chelsea and lose 

Re: [LU] On the other hand.

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We might be only eight months into Bielsa's tenure, but I fear we are also only 
three months from the end of it. 
And as I have written before, I fully expect us to make it to the playoff final 
and lose, most likely in controversial circumstances. We've appeared in seven 
finals since "Clarke ... One-Nil!" and lost them all.
Cheers!
Sean


-Original Message-
From: Richard Naef 
To: Leeds List 
Sent: Tue, Feb 26, 2019 5:58 pm
Subject: [LU] On the other hand.

Let's get a sense of proportion, still only about 8 months into Bielsa's 
tenure.  Beat baggies on Friday and things will look different and if we fail 
in auto promotion, playoffs are still v likely and i fancy a trip to Wembley.

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Re: [LU] Looking good

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Dave,
I admire your optimism. But the evidence so far this season suggests that of 
those players returning at least one or two will get re-injured, while a couple 
of the other non-injured players will also get hurt.
In addition, I think it will be a bonus if we see Clarke on the field again 
this season. The club still haven't said what happened to him medically, and 
Bielsa's comments the other day about giving him as long as he needs to recover 
didn't sound like he was nailed on for Bolton. (And if/when Clarke does play 
for us again, it would help if we played to his strengths, which means moving 
the ball quickly out of defence and giving it to Clarke when he's got space to 
run at the opposition. Far too often in the last few games we've moved the ball 
too slowly out of defence [ahem, Luke Ayling] and then either given it too 
Clarke when he's stationary and the opposition have planted two men on him, or 
ignored him altogether and passed to a teammate in a less promising position. 
Clarke is our most dangerous player and we need to make the most of his skills.)
The league has still to rule on the so-called "spygate" episode. Like others, I 
think they are dragging this out unnecessarily and will choose whatever 
punishment they think they can get away with that most hurts our chances of 
promotion.
I like the idea of Bamford/Roofe/Brown/Roberts becoming some sort of rotating 
goal machine, but I doubt it's going to happen. We've yet to see Brown play a 
minute of football in the first team. Bamford's missed a sitter in each of the 
last two games. Roofe has gone off the boil somewhat (earlier in the season he 
would have buried the chance that shaved the outside of the post in the last 
game) and Roberts has been lively but not lethal in his appearances so far.
The league's apparent decision to not allow us to be awarded penalties is also 
costing us in several ways. First, and most obviously, in points. Second, in 
goal difference, which I expect will be key this season. Third, and perhaps 
most insidiously, in fitness/injuries, because instead of being three or four 
up in the latter stages of games (think the last Derby game, when we had two 
clear penalties not given, or the game on Wednesday night), we're having to 
bust a gut to protect a narrow(er) lead in the closing stages, and can't 
necessarily rest our best players.
I hope I'm wrong, but 46 years supporting Leeds tells me that the most Leeds 
United end to this season would be to lose in the playoff final because of a 
couple of controversial refereeing decisions that go against us. I have already 
resigned myself to this reality.
Cheers!
Sean



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From: nat...@sky.com 
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Sent: Fri, Feb 15, 2019 9:18 am
Subject: [LU] Looking good

Supposedly Brown , Berardi and Dallas are all down to play for the u23s tonight
We are getting our players (Bamford and just before that Roberts) back at the 
right time - IF Brown can be anything like the player he was and IF Clarke gets 
the all clear we will have a full squad (bar Douglas- assuming Forshaw is fit 
like they thought he would be) to choose from for the 3 games in 6 days after 
our 10 day break
It will make the bench much stronger and will give us a minimum of two good / 
reliable players for each position, exactly what Bielsa wants with no spares 
causing problems
Casilla / BPFAyling / Berardi / ShackletonPontus & Coops - Berardi / Phillips / 
HalmeAlioski / Davies / DallasPhillips / Forshaw  DMKlich / Forshaw 
(no8)Harrison / Alioski - wide leftPablo / Clarke - wide rightRoofe / Roberts / 
Pablo / Brown- no 10Bamford / Roofe - CF
Looks decent with lots of options - I know various fans have issues with 
certain players - Harrison, Alioski, Forshaw and Ayling have all come in for 
(mainly harsh) criticism at different times but Bielsa likes them and that will 
do me at this stage
Bamford , Roberts & Brown should be able to give us the fire power we have 
generally been missing -despite Roofe's best efforts, our goals per chance / 
per shot ratio is the main thing that is costing us this season 
Still a lot of football to be played and it will not be easy (we may well be 
3rd by the time we entertain Bolton a week tomorrow) but things do seem to 
clicking into place quite nicely. We have shown that our youngsters can all 
come in and do a decent job if needed and now our first choice players are 
coming back things are looking up and , best of all, it is entirely in our own 
hands especially with Sheff U and WBA to come to ER - win both of those and the 
gap between us and them starts to look good
Dave

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Re: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

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My team for 'Boro would be:
GK: Peacock-Farrell (I am yet to see what's so special about Casilla, and the 
defense has looked less organized with him in goal)
LB: Alioski (Douglas did not look up to speed Saturday; I'd want Alioski to 
venture forward and overlap with Hernandez, who I've put on the left wing)CH: 
CooperCH JanssonRB: Shackleton (Ayling has been poor the last few games; I'd 
give him a rest and put Shackleton on, even though he's very short and 'Boro 
are a team of giants; I think Shackleton would move the ball to Clarke more 
quickly)
DM: Phillips (we need his aggression and range of passing, again to get the 
ball to Clarke ASAP)
RW: Clarke (simply our most dangerous player, but the team have to get him the 
ball more often and faster, so that he has time to attack the opposition at 
speed, rather than receive the ball when they've already planted two men on 
him)CM: Klich CM: Roberts (he looked quite good in the first half on Saturday, 
and we need more creativity up front than we'd get with Forshaw) LW: Hernandez 
(if he's uninjured, we could still use his nous and creativity; otherwise, I'd 
put Harrison or Roofe here)
CF: Bamford (I think a fit Bamford will go a long way towards improving our 
chances to goals ratio; like a lot of our regular starters, Roofe has looked 
mentally and physically tired recently)
Subs: Casilla, Halme, Douglas, Ayling, Forshaw, Brown, Roofe.
The approach should be to attack Boro at pace, with lots of fast passing, with 
the aim of either moving the ball quickly on the ground through the center of 
their defence, or getting it to Clarke to get to the byline and put in the sort 
of dangerous crosses/passes in which he specializes. Under no circumstances 
should we play a mostly aerial game, nor dawdle on the ball long enough for 
their physical players to knock us off it.
Cheers!
Sean

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From: Robert Heath 
To: nat...@sky.com 
Cc: Leeds List 
Sent: Mon, Feb 4, 2019 12:35 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich - a few thoughts

Exactly my thoughts re the match..Norwich were impressive,
especially in the second half, but every little thing and bounce of the
ball did go against us. Normally, I am a firm believer in the maxim that
"you mek yer own luck", but I felt that we started out looking great, and
they started out looking very jittery. Just about the only time they got
the ball in our half in the early minutes, Pontus imperiously strode away
with the ball..and then was rather wierdly
dispossessed.there followed a dubious freekick and a deflection and
suddenly we were a goal behind. Of course, after that, they suddenly
weren't so jittery any more. Their second goal was
similarForshaw lost it in almost exactly the same spot and same
manner, then a lot of things happened before Pukki had his tap in.

It will be interesting to see the team for Boro. Given that Bielsa has
bemoaned our defensive frailty, one would think that Phillips has to come
back in, but for whom? I thought that Forshaw was our best player for the
first hour at least. And Pablo..what the hell was wrong with him?
He was awful and deserved to be subbed at ht, but unless he's injured he
must surely return. Dropping Roofe for Bamford would seem harsh but should
perhaps happen. And who at LB..Douglas was pretty woeful.

On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 6:14 PM nat...@sky.com  wrote:

>  We were discussing this on Saturday (before the game) and all felt it was
> this year or never (or not soon at any rate) Bielsa has worked wonders
> because ALL the players and fans have bought into it (other than mabye Saiz
> who we let go) however IF we fail to go up then a lot of players and fans
> will no longer believe in it which may well result in some of them
> 'resorting to type' and being the crap players they were last year.
>  Add to that offers will come in for the likes of Clarke who would
> probably end up leaving  which will seriously weaken the squad, so unless
> they allow Bielsa to bring in 5 or 6 players chosen by him and early enough
> to get all his pre season training in, I cannot see him getting us promoted
> next season.
> The return of Bamford plus Roberts being fit does mean that I am still
> fairly confident this will be our year but I do think it is now or never
> for Bielsa
> Even though Norwich deserved their win , they did get all the luck and
> decisions when needed - a deflected free kick which the keeper may have
> otherwise saved, a good penalty shout turned down for the push on Roberts -
> seen them given as they say, The keeper could have got a red card (probably
> harsh but again seen them given) The second goal would have been stopped if
> Pontus' block had worked or it he had missed it altogether. The goal from
> Ayling (some refs would not have blown ) albeit the whistle had gone before
> he shot. The 3rd goal that totally killed it also took a deflection so the
> keeper missed it
> So it was a game of fine margins 

Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 103, Issue 29

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If Bielsa had a ruthless streak in him, he'd announce our lineup for Swansea 48 
hours ahead of kickoff, as he normally does, so Swansea could spend two days 
preparing to face that team and its expected tactics. Then Bielsa should 
actually field a significantly different first XI for the game, playing in a 
way which Swansea wouldn't have been prepared for at all. After the game (a 
crushing defeat for Swansea, of course), when asked about the change, Bielsa 
should simply say "I changed my mind at the last minute. Surely Swansea can 
relate to that."
Cheers!
Sean


-Original Message-
From: Matt Anderson 
To: Nicholas Armit 
Cc: leedslist ; Phil Morgan 
Sent: Fri, Feb 1, 2019 12:41 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 103, Issue 29

He must be so p1ssed off now. Doubt he will be a meaningful player for Swansea 
for rest of season 

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> On 1 Feb 2019, at 15:57, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> My feelings entirely.
>    On Friday, February 1, 2019, 12:14:20 AM EST, Phil Morgan 
> wrote:  
> 
> Not too disappointed in James transfer fiasco.
> 2 goals in 21 appearances not exactly setting the league on fire . Maybe he
> works hard - don't know. We have lots of hard workers but we need someone
> who can put the ball in the net.
> At 21 years old not exactly a young prospect . I've only seen him once and
> he  didn't have the impact of Jack Clarke.
> I doubt that he woud significantly enhance our promotion prospects.
> If Bielsa likes him that much I'm sure they will try again in the summer.
> 
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>>    3. Re: u23s won 1 -0 (Richard Naef)
>>    4. Re: u23s won 1 -0 (David Nathan)
>>    5. Re: u23s won 1 -0 (Richard Naef)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 13:32:31 + (UTC)
>> From: "nat...@sky.com" 
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>> Subject: [LU] Izzy scores again
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>> A well worked and well taken goal after 10mins
>> Brown, Douglas (and Roberts) all playing - Dallas has allegedly suffered
>> another injury in trainingBamford not in squad
>> Dave
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>> Subject: [LU] u23s won 1 -0
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>> Lukcy to hang on in many ways - not sure how they did not scoreDouglas &
>> Roberts both subbed at half time - Brown did full 90 and right at the death
>> was part of a quick break that led him to being unmarked inside 6 yd box
>> but Kun too greedy
>> Halme impressed. Shackleton v lively when he came on at half time -
>> McCalmont and Odour both look like they could make it
>> Dave
>> 
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>> To: Leeds List , "nat...@sky.com"
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>> Whatabout Kim?
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>> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 3:02:58 PM
>> To: Leeds List
>> Subject: [LU] u23s won 1 -0
>> 
>> Lukcy to hang on in many ways - not sure how they did not scoreDouglas &
>> Roberts both subbed at half time - Brown did full 90 and right at the death
>> was part of a quick break that led him to being unmarked inside 6 yd box
>> but Kun too greedy
>> Halme impressed. Shackleton v lively when he came on at half time -
>> McCalmont and Odour both look like they could make it
>> Dave
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>> From: David Nathan 

Re: [LU] Salim

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None of that makes him a great interpreter. I basically figured this was 
deliberate on Bielsa's part. Having a 'terp whose native language is neither 
English nor Spanish is almost guaranteed to produce really tortured 
translations, and that's what we get.
Cheers!
Sean


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From: Guy Bonello 
To: David Campbell 
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Fri, Jan 18, 2019 11:05 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Salim

Sorbonne lecturer published author and One of the foremost experts on
Cuba's political history

On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 at 17:02, David Campbell  wrote:

> Think Rob should google Salim, might get a surprise MOT
> DaveC
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Re: [LU] Bristol City

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I continue to be amazed that Harrison is getting picked ahead of Clarke. I 
wonder is there some sort of official or unofficial arrangement with Man 
City/Guardiola to that effect.
Cheers!
Sean


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From: nat...@sky.com 
To: Leeds List 
Sent: Sat, Nov 24, 2018 3:49 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] Bristol City

 Basically job done, and by the end done in a convincing manner.Bristol were 
awful and if their manager really believes that they would have won if not for 
the red card then he must be the most delusional manager ever! 
We pretty much controlled this game from start to finish and they never managed 
a shot or chance worthy of the namePre game we were pretty worried and were 
concerned how a debutant keeper, centre half and Dallas at right back would 
fare. Or to quote Tone we have one proper  defender in the back five (he is not 
a fan of Coopers) 
We expected them to try and put Huffer and Halme especially under pressure but 
they totally failed to do that.It is much too soon to say whether either of the 
2 lads have a real future in the game but they both did well enough today - 
Huffer deal with easy shots and crosses with ease - his distribtuion was a bit 
suspect at times and he nearly gave them a chance when he delayed too long on 
the ball , but all in all a very good debut. We all agreed he looked a bit like 
Joe HartHalme is very tall and he also looked decent enough and won a few in 
the air and was good in the tackle and composed on the ball for the most part, 
but again Bristol failed to really test himThe first half was one of those 
totally forgettable games - nothing of any real note happened and neither side 
really created any good clear cut chances but we did control it for most of the 
time
At the start of the second half we stepped it up a gear and started to put them 
under real pressure - Roofe should have scored and then Alioski blew a real 
chance instead of scoring or putting it on a plate for RoofeThe general 
impression in the stands was that if we kept this up the goal(s) would come and 
we would win.Then came the incident which basically cemented that point of view 
- a wild tackle on the half way line - we all went "that's a booking" as soon 
as he did it. We were correct albeit mainly surprised that he was already on a 
yellow and so got a red (from a ref who mostly kept his cards to himself)From 
then on it was a case of could we go on and do the necessaryTo make sure we did 
 Bielsa took off Alioski (first time all season ?) and Halme and brought on 
Saiz and HarrisonThese changes were successful and it became a question of how 
many we would score - we had a few chances from then on with Harrison missing 
the best of them when he took miles too longThe breakthrough came when Pablo 
hit the ball across goal and Roofe tapped it in.We did worry a little bit that 
at 1=0 we would be vulnerable to any corner or free kick into the box but felt 
that the one goal would be enough reallyDouglas had a great shot tipped over 
and then the game was put beyond doubt when Siaz put a lovely ball in and Pablo 
headed home 2 -0 and game overSo decent games from Huffer and Halme - both of 
whom can be confident if they are called upon on TuesdaySaiz looked bright when 
he came on as did Baker.Dallas did enough to keep the fans off his backPhillips 
was man of the match for me, especially in the first half when he was wherever 
he was needed and always did what we needed him to do
So not the greatest game or performance but a nice way to rebound after the 
hammering at West Brom and a comfortable result given the injury problems - to 
keep a clean sheet with the back 5 we had is no mean feat.For Bristol - they 
were awful and the manager will be sacked if they lose in  midweek
So a full house , total sell out, went home happy. A similar result on Tuesday 
and we can forget about the West Brom result
Dave

    On Saturday, 24 November 2018, 18:54:57 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 3 points was the most important thing today when you consider West Brom and 
that we had two schoolboys making their debut.

I thought first half showed yet again that we are struggling up front. Yes 
Roofe got his goal and that's 8 and I think the lad has proved me wrong in that 
he can operate at this level however I still think playing him as a lone 
striker at home is the wrong tactic and in that formation you're always going 
to rely on someone from midfield doing something special. In the first half 
today we showed some good build up but the final boor was repeatedly poor. 
Kilch kept trying little dinks and passes but none came off and we were 
restricted to 1 or 2 chances (Allioski and Roofe).

The debutants were given a difficult challenge with an expectant full house but 
both can be proud of their debuts even if they weren't really tested by an 
average Bristol team. The keeper had a couple of nervy moments but seemed to 
grow in confidence and his take through a 

Re: [LU] Fixture list unkind

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I can't understand why Clarke isn't in the squad. Frankly, I'd be starting him. 
Every time I've seen him he's made things happen in a way that Harrison 
doesn't. 
I also thought (as I did often last season) that we got outmuscled far too 
easily, far too frequently today.
Sean

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From: Richard Walker via Leedslist 
To: Robert Heath 
Cc: leedslist 
Sent: Sat, Nov 10, 2018 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] Fixture list unkind

3 main things from this debacle for me:

Dallas as a right back - do me a favour. Surely Lewie Coyle or Shackleton are 
better options.

Roofe on his own up front - not a good enough option and to be honest Roofe 
isn’t good enough for me for a promotion chasing team.

Philips - total luxury extra defender. I said it last week he will struggle 
against teams with pace. Another average championship player.



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> On 10 Nov 2018, at 07:26, Robert Heath  wrote:
> 
> While we face a tough trip to The Hawthorns, all 6 teams below us have home
> games...5 of them easy ones (on paper, but this is the Championship
> aka The Weirdest League in the World.) Sheff Weds did their bit last night,
> but what chance Wigan, Villa, Stoke & Millwall managing to do the same?
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Re: [LU] Radio Broadcasts

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I think that's a bit unfair on Phillips, who I thought had a good game, 
frequently winning the ball back and making good passes. I also thought Jansson 
put in some good challenges. I agree about Dallas, Clarke and Roberts.
We have to stop conceding first. Easier said than done, I know, but we put 
ourselves under pressure every time we do it. When we score first, the 
opposition have to come at us, leaving space for us to exploit. We can't rely 
on our superior fitness to get us a goal in the last ten minutes every game.
And what on earth is going on with our approach to set pieces (attacking and 
defending)? Do we practice them at all? To concede two goals like that is 
pathetic. And we just don't look like scoring from our own: there's no 
invention at all from them, and our corners frequently don't clear the first 
man.
I hope starting with Hernandez on the bench was just to ease him back into 
things, because even a little rusty and off the pace he provided an outlet for 
Saiz. We need more of a cutting edge, which means starting with Roofe up front, 
and maybe giving a first start to Clarke, who is the most exciting outfield 
academy graduate I've seen for some time. Who knows, maybe if we did we'd get 
to hear another commentator say "Clarke... one-nil!"
Cheers!
Sean

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From: Richard Walker via Leedslist 
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org ; Philip 
Sent: Sat, Oct 20, 2018 9:04 am
Subject: Re: [LU] Radio Broadcasts

 Just not f'cking good enough. We only started playing 20 minutes from the end 
when they were knackered but we still produced very little. Poor passes and 
play all over the park. 
Two corners , two easy headers and another defeat. 
Bielsa may have got us playing better but he's no f'cking magician and there's 
too many players in that team that are mid table championship players and 
always will be. Blackburn outplayed us first half and out battled us. At times 
we look very lightweight. 
Highlight of the afternoon for me was Jack Clarke who must start now. 
Scores for me: 
Peacock - 7. Made some good saves to save us embarassment. 
Dallas - 3. Thought he improved second half but overall he was poor. 
Beradi - 6. One bad mistake second half but overall he was our best player. He 
was the marker for the first goal also. 
Cooper - 4. Boring , boring passes at the back Jansson - 5.  boring boring 
passes at the back. 
Phillips - 5. Better second half but he's a very limited footballer. 
Klich - 6. Got the goal and nearly a second in the second half. 
Siaz - 4. Not effective 
Roberts - 1 - Looked like he was playing a f;cking training match. Not ready 
for this yet. 
Roofe - 6. Thought he was lively without threatining 
Allioski - 1. He's fucking shit 
Subs:
Clarke - 7 He lost possession in his own half once but every other time he got 
the ball he looked dangerous. Has to start next match. 
Hernandez - 6. Bits and pieces. 
Not good enough and very frustrating and disapoointing for the massive away 
support who had little to shout about.
 
 

    On Saturday, 20 October 2018, 12:53:30 BST, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
  Lucky to go in 1-1. I think we are second best to a bright Blackburn team who 
have a couple of players who are a yard quicker and better than us. 
The backward and square passes at the back are beginning to remind me of 
previous sides - no idea and no point. 
I think there's too many of our players who are not at the races. 
Dallas is a disaster at left back - he's not good enough to play for Leeds. 
Allioski's corners and crosses are poor. 
Philips - someone remind me what he does ? 
Roberts and Roofe is just a poor managerial selection decision. 
Best player for us by a mile is Beradi who started at left back but then was 
swapped because Dallas couldn't cope with Armstrong. He's got up and down the 
park and his run made the goal. 
Very poor, got to be better than this. I'd take Roberts off and put Hernandez 
or Clarke. 


    On Saturday, 20 October 2018, 03:51:34 BST, Philip via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Does anyone know where someone not in the UK, can listen tothe Radio Leeds 
commentaries? In the past the games were onUstream but that site has been 
closed and up to now nothinginstead has been found. Pre gane is on "tune in 
Radio" but theycan not broadcast the games due to contractrial limitations.   
Thanks 
Phil
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