[LU] Cardiff

[nattan--- via Leedslist]

" f off home and shag your sheep" chanted leeds fans at the end ( i make no 
comment re Yorkshire sheep shaggers ) and it made us laugh but at one point 
this song could easily have been booing the team off .
After 2 boring and pretty awful years in the Prem, this was a return to the 
championship and the madness that goes with it.
Pre game we all agreed that no predictions about the season coukd realistically 
be made till the window is shut, and  i stick with that view. Keep Summerville, 
 Sinisterra and Gnonto and add a good goalscorer/ no 9 and we can walk this 
league , lose those 3 and don't add to the squad and things will be tough.
Oversall we were streets ahead of cardiff as Ampadu and Gray bossed the 
midfield and the 3 lads up front tore holes through their defence.  This game 
could have been 3 or 4 nil and not flattered us.
However all our failings came back and it made even a point look dodgy for a 
long period.
We gave away 2 really soft goals, Hjelde proved he is not a left back and 
Ayling,  much as i love him, showed he is finished,  as we let them have the 
freedom of our last third of the pitch and our penalty area, so we were 
suddenly 2 down,  having nearly scored the goal of the season when Gnonto fired 
just over.
The good news,  Byram looked the part especially going forward , and we kept 
going right till the end and looked the fitter of the 2 teams 
So all in all 2 pts dropped or a point gained , take your pick, but it was fun. 
It was great to see a leeds team, once again,  wanting to keep the ball and 
pass it around and then the attacking flair of GSS up top was brilliant to 
watch. 
We will play much worse and win this season. 
Get a goal scorer and we will be fine if we can keep these players
Dave 
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 Some stats don't tell you owt, we know that, you just have to watch the games 
to see that he doesn't influence them and they seem to pass him by. I think the 
stat was progressive passes, and for him that could be getting the ball and 
playing it out to Harrison or Gnonto on the left. 
Cardiff was actually one of his better games as he did see a lot of the ball 
early on and did try to move things forward and even had a couple of shots that 
were blocked but given who we were playing he didn't impress like others did. 
On Thursday, 19 January 2023 at 14:59:23 GMT, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Yes, at times we looked to be 433 with Harrison on the left of the midfield 3. 
As Rich says though, I’m not convinced by either Greenwood or Roca in central 
midfield and certainly not Aaronson.
Roca is a mystery though. I keep seeing people posting metrics on Twitter that 
show him in a very positive light, but when I actually watch him at the games I 
just don’t see it. The games seem to pass him by most of the time.
Really pleased to see Bamford back and scoring but still massive concerns about 
the defence when we play a prem team.

Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: Leedslist  on behalf of Ed Morrish 

Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2023 2:52:28 PM
To: Nick 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff

I thought Harrison seemed to be playing more centrally last night - not out on 
the touchline. I wonder if that’s part of a longer-term plan; wouldn’t hate the 
idea of him in the middle of the pitch…

Sent from my iPhone

> On 19 Jan 2023, at 14:46, Nick  wrote:
>
> As we were leaving last night we said what we needed was a McAllister-type 
> in there to be the brains and knit it all together…
>
> Nick
>
>> On 19 Jan 2023, at 13:57, Richard Walker  wrote:
>>
>> I agree it's a problem position but it's a nice problem to have.
>>
>> I think a bigger problem is who plays alongside Adams. I think we need Adams 
>> to protect the back 4 which means we need a player who can go box to box 
>> alongside him. That's not Roca or Greenwood. I think we look vulnerable i 
>> midfield when teams come at us. Roca is slow and Greenwood defensively is 
>> poor.
>>
>> On Thursday, 19 January 2023 at 12:31:59 GMT, MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> No 10 would appear to be the 'problem' position
>>
>> At No.9 we have Rodrigo, Bamford, Rutter, Gelhardt - cant drop Rodrigo
>> at the moment
>> For wingers we have Gnonto, Harrison, Sinisterra, Summerville and i
>> think Rutter can play there as well
>>
>> For No.10 an out of form Aaronson - who i think Jesse prefers outwide
>> anyway.
>>
>> I thought Greenwood was going to play there yesterday, as thats where he
>> played for the U23s - but he seemed to be largely out wide.
>> I think its worth a go - as i agree his dead ball delivery is valuable.
>>
>> Clever of us to get our new left back injured, before he has even played
>> left-back.
>> Starting at centre-back between Firpo and Llorente must be fun
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Nick" mailto:n...@6haroldplace.co.uk>>
>> To: "Leeds List 2010" mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> Sent: Thursday, 19 Jan, 23 At 12:23
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
>> I think he has to drop Aaronson. He is behind Gnonto, Rodrigo and
>> Bamford on impact alone; he is also behind Harrison who had a quietly
>> effective game yesterday - I noticed he was doing a lot of shouting and
>> organising of Gnonto and Firpo up and down the left, he also set up the
>> 2nd and 3rd goals. He is also, presumably behind our record signing.
>> A word for Rodrigo - who is so full of confidence at the moment, it is a
>> real pleasure to see him playing so well and thriving.
>> And then Sinisterra. And what of Gelhardt? Perkins?
>> No idea what Ayling was trying to do with that cross…
>> We desperately need to learn how to defend… and, yeah Roca was mainly
>> pants yesterday.
>> Nick
>> On 19 Jan 2023, at 12:02, nattan--- via Leedslist > <mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> wrote:
>> Rich said "Interesting team selection dilemma for Sunday. Nice to have
>> but you surely can't ignore Bamford"
>> I am pretty sure Rodrigo will start and his recent performances and goal
>> scoring means he deserves it, but Paddy is certainly looking good.Jesse
>> also needs to work out if Sinisterra should start,  is he fit and sharp
>> enough? Also Rutter , what does he do with him ? Assume bring him off
>> the bench but at €40m he should

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Yes, at times we looked to be 433 with Harrison on the left of the midfield 3. 
As Rich says though, I’m not convinced by either Greenwood or Roca in central 
midfield and certainly not Aaronson.
Roca is a mystery though. I keep seeing people posting metrics on Twitter that 
show him in a very positive light, but when I actually watch him at the games I 
just don’t see it. The games seem to pass him by most of the time.
Really pleased to see Bamford back and scoring but still massive concerns about 
the defence when we play a prem team.

Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: Leedslist  on behalf of Ed Morrish 

Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2023 2:52:28 PM
To: Nick 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff

I thought Harrison seemed to be playing more centrally last night - not out on 
the touchline. I wonder if that’s part of a longer-term plan; wouldn’t hate the 
idea of him in the middle of the pitch…

Sent from my iPhone

> On 19 Jan 2023, at 14:46, Nick  wrote:
>
> As we were leaving last night we said what we needed was a McAllister-type 
> in there to be the brains and knit it all together…
>
> Nick
>
>> On 19 Jan 2023, at 13:57, Richard Walker  wrote:
>>
>> I agree it's a problem position but it's a nice problem to have.
>>
>> I think a bigger problem is who plays alongside Adams. I think we need Adams 
>> to protect the back 4 which means we need a player who can go box to box 
>> alongside him. That's not Roca or Greenwood. I think we look vulnerable i 
>> midfield when teams come at us. Roca is slow and Greenwood defensively is 
>> poor.
>>
>> On Thursday, 19 January 2023 at 12:31:59 GMT, MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> No 10 would appear to be the 'problem' position
>>
>> At No.9 we have Rodrigo, Bamford, Rutter, Gelhardt - cant drop Rodrigo
>> at the moment
>> For wingers we have Gnonto, Harrison, Sinisterra, Summerville and i
>> think Rutter can play there as well
>>
>> For No.10 an out of form Aaronson - who i think Jesse prefers outwide
>> anyway.
>>
>> I thought Greenwood was going to play there yesterday, as thats where he
>> played for the U23s - but he seemed to be largely out wide.
>> I think its worth a go - as i agree his dead ball delivery is valuable.
>>
>> Clever of us to get our new left back injured, before he has even played
>> left-back.
>> Starting at centre-back between Firpo and Llorente must be fun
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Nick" mailto:n...@6haroldplace.co.uk>>
>> To: "Leeds List 2010" mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> Sent: Thursday, 19 Jan, 23 At 12:23
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
>> I think he has to drop Aaronson. He is behind Gnonto, Rodrigo and
>> Bamford on impact alone; he is also behind Harrison who had a quietly
>> effective game yesterday - I noticed he was doing a lot of shouting and
>> organising of Gnonto and Firpo up and down the left, he also set up the
>> 2nd and 3rd goals. He is also, presumably behind our record signing.
>> A word for Rodrigo - who is so full of confidence at the moment, it is a
>> real pleasure to see him playing so well and thriving.
>> And then Sinisterra. And what of Gelhardt? Perkins?
>> No idea what Ayling was trying to do with that cross…
>> We desperately need to learn how to defend… and, yeah Roca was mainly
>> pants yesterday.
>> Nick
>> On 19 Jan 2023, at 12:02, nattan--- via Leedslist > <mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> wrote:
>> Rich said "Interesting team selection dilemma for Sunday. Nice to have
>> but you surely can't ignore Bamford"
>> I am pretty sure Rodrigo will start and his recent performances and goal
>> scoring means he deserves it, but Paddy is certainly looking good.Jesse
>> also needs to work out if Sinisterra should start,  is he fit and sharp
>> enough? Also Rutter , what does he do with him ? Assume bring him off
>> the bench but at €40m he should be first name on the team sheet once he
>> gets up to speed. The one whose place should be up for discussion is
>> Aaronson , his recent displays have not been good but he is a Jesse
>> favourite  and looked very good in his first few matches
>> Most of all he needs to work out the best back four, Wober played CH
>> last night rather than as the left back we bought him to be, can we rely
>> on Firpo as left back? Ayling was massively at fault for their goal , so
>> does Rasmus get the nod ahead of him. Then with cooper struggling who
>> plays alongside Koch
>> It ma

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Ed Morrish]

I thought Harrison seemed to be playing more centrally last night - not out on 
the touchline. I wonder if that’s part of a longer-term plan; wouldn’t hate the 
idea of him in the middle of the pitch…

Sent from my iPhone

> On 19 Jan 2023, at 14:46, Nick  wrote:
> 
> As we were leaving last night we said what we needed was a McAllister-type 
> in there to be the brains and knit it all together…
> 
> Nick
> 
>> On 19 Jan 2023, at 13:57, Richard Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> I agree it's a problem position but it's a nice problem to have. 
>> 
>> I think a bigger problem is who plays alongside Adams. I think we need Adams 
>> to protect the back 4 which means we need a player who can go box to box 
>> alongside him. That's not Roca or Greenwood. I think we look vulnerable i 
>> midfield when teams come at us. Roca is slow and Greenwood defensively is 
>> poor. 
>> 
>> On Thursday, 19 January 2023 at 12:31:59 GMT, MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> No 10 would appear to be the 'problem' position
>> 
>> At No.9 we have Rodrigo, Bamford, Rutter, Gelhardt - cant drop Rodrigo 
>> at the moment
>> For wingers we have Gnonto, Harrison, Sinisterra, Summerville and i 
>> think Rutter can play there as well
>> 
>> For No.10 an out of form Aaronson - who i think Jesse prefers outwide 
>> anyway.
>> 
>> I thought Greenwood was going to play there yesterday, as thats where he 
>> played for the U23s - but he seemed to be largely out wide.
>> I think its worth a go - as i agree his dead ball delivery is valuable.
>> 
>> Clever of us to get our new left back injured, before he has even played 
>> left-back.
>> Starting at centre-back between Firpo and Llorente must be fun
>> 
>> Matt
>> 
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Nick" mailto:n...@6haroldplace.co.uk>>
>> To: "Leeds List 2010" mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> Sent: Thursday, 19 Jan, 23 At 12:23
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
>> I think he has to drop Aaronson. He is behind Gnonto, Rodrigo and 
>> Bamford on impact alone; he is also behind Harrison who had a quietly 
>> effective game yesterday - I noticed he was doing a lot of shouting and 
>> organising of Gnonto and Firpo up and down the left, he also set up the 
>> 2nd and 3rd goals. He is also, presumably behind our record signing.
>> A word for Rodrigo - who is so full of confidence at the moment, it is a 
>> real pleasure to see him playing so well and thriving.
>> And then Sinisterra. And what of Gelhardt? Perkins?
>> No idea what Ayling was trying to do with that cross…
>> We desperately need to learn how to defend… and, yeah Roca was mainly 
>> pants yesterday.
>> Nick
>> On 19 Jan 2023, at 12:02, nattan--- via Leedslist > <mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> 
>> wrote:
>> Rich said "Interesting team selection dilemma for Sunday. Nice to have 
>> but you surely can't ignore Bamford"
>> I am pretty sure Rodrigo will start and his recent performances and goal 
>> scoring means he deserves it, but Paddy is certainly looking good.Jesse 
>> also needs to work out if Sinisterra should start,  is he fit and sharp 
>> enough? Also Rutter , what does he do with him ? Assume bring him off 
>> the bench but at €40m he should be first name on the team sheet once he 
>> gets up to speed. The one whose place should be up for discussion is 
>> Aaronson , his recent displays have not been good but he is a Jesse 
>> favourite  and looked very good in his first few matches
>> Most of all he needs to work out the best back four, Wober played CH 
>> last night rather than as the left back we bought him to be, can we rely 
>> on Firpo as left back? Ayling was massively at fault for their goal , so 
>> does Rasmus get the nod ahead of him. Then with cooper struggling who 
>> plays alongside Koch
>> It may be overdoing it to say this game will determine Jesse's future , 
>> but if he wants to keep the job he needs to get it right. A defeat will 
>> make his position very shaky indeed and the crowd will turn, of the 4 of 
>> us there last night, 2 want him gone, me and another are hoping it will 
>> come right but are worried and not far off joining the  'out camp'. A 
>> win at least gives him breathing space and may provide a platform for 
>> the upcoming games
>> Looking at highlights from last night all 5 of our goals were excellent 
>> Paddy just look so comfortable and composed for his two
>> Dave
>> 
>> 

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Nick]

As we were leaving last night we said what we needed was a McAllister-type in 
there to be the brains and knit it all together…

Nick

> On 19 Jan 2023, at 13:57, Richard Walker  wrote:
> 
> I agree it's a problem position but it's a nice problem to have. 
> 
> I think a bigger problem is who plays alongside Adams. I think we need Adams 
> to protect the back 4 which means we need a player who can go box to box 
> alongside him. That's not Roca or Greenwood. I think we look vulnerable i 
> midfield when teams come at us. Roca is slow and Greenwood defensively is 
> poor. 
> 
> On Thursday, 19 January 2023 at 12:31:59 GMT, MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> No 10 would appear to be the 'problem' position
> 
> At No.9 we have Rodrigo, Bamford, Rutter, Gelhardt - cant drop Rodrigo 
> at the moment
> For wingers we have Gnonto, Harrison, Sinisterra, Summerville and i 
> think Rutter can play there as well
> 
> For No.10 an out of form Aaronson - who i think Jesse prefers outwide 
> anyway.
> 
> I thought Greenwood was going to play there yesterday, as thats where he 
> played for the U23s - but he seemed to be largely out wide.
> I think its worth a go - as i agree his dead ball delivery is valuable.
> 
> Clever of us to get our new left back injured, before he has even played 
> left-back.
> Starting at centre-back between Firpo and Llorente must be fun
> 
> Matt
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Nick" mailto:n...@6haroldplace.co.uk>>
> To: "Leeds List 2010" mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Sent: Thursday, 19 Jan, 23 At 12:23
> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
> I think he has to drop Aaronson. He is behind Gnonto, Rodrigo and 
> Bamford on impact alone; he is also behind Harrison who had a quietly 
> effective game yesterday - I noticed he was doing a lot of shouting and 
> organising of Gnonto and Firpo up and down the left, he also set up the 
> 2nd and 3rd goals. He is also, presumably behind our record signing.
> A word for Rodrigo - who is so full of confidence at the moment, it is a 
> real pleasure to see him playing so well and thriving.
> And then Sinisterra. And what of Gelhardt? Perkins?
> No idea what Ayling was trying to do with that cross…
> We desperately need to learn how to defend… and, yeah Roca was mainly 
> pants yesterday.
> Nick
> On 19 Jan 2023, at 12:02, nattan--- via Leedslist  <mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> 
> wrote:
> Rich said "Interesting team selection dilemma for Sunday. Nice to have 
> but you surely can't ignore Bamford"
> I am pretty sure Rodrigo will start and his recent performances and goal 
> scoring means he deserves it, but Paddy is certainly looking good.Jesse 
> also needs to work out if Sinisterra should start,  is he fit and sharp 
> enough? Also Rutter , what does he do with him ? Assume bring him off 
> the bench but at €40m he should be first name on the team sheet once he 
> gets up to speed. The one whose place should be up for discussion is 
> Aaronson , his recent displays have not been good but he is a Jesse 
> favourite  and looked very good in his first few matches
> Most of all he needs to work out the best back four, Wober played CH 
> last night rather than as the left back we bought him to be, can we rely 
> on Firpo as left back? Ayling was massively at fault for their goal , so 
> does Rasmus get the nod ahead of him. Then with cooper struggling who 
> plays alongside Koch
> It may be overdoing it to say this game will determine Jesse's future , 
> but if he wants to keep the job he needs to get it right. A defeat will 
> make his position very shaky indeed and the crowd will turn, of the 4 of 
> us there last night, 2 want him gone, me and another are hoping it will 
> come right but are worried and not far off joining the  'out camp'. A 
> win at least gives him breathing space and may provide a platform for 
> the upcoming games
> Looking at highlights from last night all 5 of our goals were excellent 
> Paddy just look so comfortable and composed for his two
> Dave
> 
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist 
> <https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist>
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org 
> <mailto:leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org>
> 
> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ 
> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/>
> 
> Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 I agree it's a problem position but it's a nice problem to have. 
I think a bigger problem is who plays alongside Adams. I think we need Adams to 
protect the back 4 which means we need a player who can go box to box alongside 
him. That's not Roca or Greenwood. I think we look vulnerable i midfield when 
teams come at us. Roca is slow and Greenwood defensively is poor. 
On Thursday, 19 January 2023 at 12:31:59 GMT, MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 
No 10 would appear to be the 'problem' position

At No.9 we have Rodrigo, Bamford, Rutter, Gelhardt - cant drop Rodrigo 
at the moment
For wingers we have Gnonto, Harrison, Sinisterra, Summerville and i 
think Rutter can play there as well

For No.10 an out of form Aaronson - who i think Jesse prefers outwide 
anyway.

I thought Greenwood was going to play there yesterday, as thats where he 
played for the U23s - but he seemed to be largely out wide.
I think its worth a go - as i agree his dead ball delivery is valuable.

Clever of us to get our new left back injured, before he has even played 
left-back.
Starting at centre-back between Firpo and Llorente must be fun

Matt

-- Original Message --
From: "Nick" 
To: "Leeds List 2010" 
Sent: Thursday, 19 Jan, 23 At 12:23
Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
I think he has to drop Aaronson. He is behind Gnonto, Rodrigo and 
Bamford on impact alone; he is also behind Harrison who had a quietly 
effective game yesterday - I noticed he was doing a lot of shouting and 
organising of Gnonto and Firpo up and down the left, he also set up the 
2nd and 3rd goals. He is also, presumably behind our record signing.
A word for Rodrigo - who is so full of confidence at the moment, it is a 
real pleasure to see him playing so well and thriving.
And then Sinisterra. And what of Gelhardt? Perkins?
No idea what Ayling was trying to do with that cross…
We desperately need to learn how to defend… and, yeah Roca was mainly 
pants yesterday.
Nick
On 19 Jan 2023, at 12:02, nattan--- via Leedslist  
wrote:
Rich said "Interesting team selection dilemma for Sunday. Nice to have 
but you surely can't ignore Bamford"
I am pretty sure Rodrigo will start and his recent performances and goal 
scoring means he deserves it, but Paddy is certainly looking good.Jesse 
also needs to work out if Sinisterra should start,  is he fit and sharp 
enough? Also Rutter , what does he do with him ? Assume bring him off 
the bench but at €40m he should be first name on the team sheet once he 
gets up to speed. The one whose place should be up for discussion is 
Aaronson , his recent displays have not been good but he is a Jesse 
favourite  and looked very good in his first few matches
Most of all he needs to work out the best back four, Wober played CH 
last night rather than as the left back we bought him to be, can we rely 
on Firpo as left back? Ayling was massively at fault for their goal , so 
does Rasmus get the nod ahead of him. Then with cooper struggling who 
plays alongside Koch
It may be overdoing it to say this game will determine Jesse's future , 
but if he wants to keep the job he needs to get it right. A defeat will 
make his position very shaky indeed and the crowd will turn, of the 4 of 
us there last night, 2 want him gone, me and another are hoping it will 
come right but are worried and not far off joining the  'out camp'. A 
win at least gives him breathing space and may provide a platform for 
the upcoming games
Looking at highlights from last night all 5 of our goals were excellent 
Paddy just look so comfortable and composed for his two
Dave

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.  
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[MATTHEW GAYNOR via Leedslist]

No 10 would appear to be the 'problem' position

At No.9 we have Rodrigo, Bamford, Rutter, Gelhardt - cant drop Rodrigo 
at the moment
For wingers we have Gnonto, Harrison, Sinisterra, Summerville and i 
think Rutter can play there as well


For No.10 an out of form Aaronson - who i think Jesse prefers outwide 
anyway.


I thought Greenwood was going to play there yesterday, as thats where he 
played for the U23s - but he seemed to be largely out wide.

I think its worth a go - as i agree his dead ball delivery is valuable.

Clever of us to get our new left back injured, before he has even played 
left-back.

Starting at centre-back between Firpo and Llorente must be fun

Matt

-- Original Message --
From: "Nick" 
To: "Leeds List 2010" 
Sent: Thursday, 19 Jan, 23 At 12:23
Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
I think he has to drop Aaronson. He is behind Gnonto, Rodrigo and 
Bamford on impact alone; he is also behind Harrison who had a quietly 
effective game yesterday - I noticed he was doing a lot of shouting and 
organising of Gnonto and Firpo up and down the left, he also set up the 
2nd and 3rd goals. He is also, presumably behind our record signing.
A word for Rodrigo - who is so full of confidence at the moment, it is a 
real pleasure to see him playing so well and thriving.

And then Sinisterra. And what of Gelhardt? Perkins?
No idea what Ayling was trying to do with that cross…
We desperately need to learn how to defend… and, yeah Roca was mainly 
pants yesterday.

Nick
On 19 Jan 2023, at 12:02, nattan--- via Leedslist  
wrote:
Rich said "Interesting team selection dilemma for Sunday. Nice to have 
but you surely can't ignore Bamford"
I am pretty sure Rodrigo will start and his recent performances and goal 
scoring means he deserves it, but Paddy is certainly looking good.Jesse 
also needs to work out if Sinisterra should start,  is he fit and sharp 
enough? Also Rutter , what does he do with him ? Assume bring him off 
the bench but at €40m he should be first name on the team sheet once he 
gets up to speed. The one whose place should be up for discussion is 
Aaronson , his recent displays have not been good but he is a Jesse 
favourite  and looked very good in his first few matches
Most of all he needs to work out the best back four, Wober played CH 
last night rather than as the left back we bought him to be, can we rely 
on Firpo as left back? Ayling was massively at fault for their goal , so 
does Rasmus get the nod ahead of him. Then with cooper struggling who 
plays alongside Koch
It may be overdoing it to say this game will determine Jesse's future , 
but if he wants to keep the job he needs to get it right. A defeat will 
make his position very shaky indeed and the crowd will turn, of the 4 of 
us there last night, 2 want him gone, me and another are hoping it will 
come right but are worried and not far off joining the  'out camp'. A 
win at least gives him breathing space and may provide a platform for 
the upcoming games
Looking at highlights from last night all 5 of our goals were excellent 
Paddy just look so comfortable and composed for his two

Dave

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Nick]

I think he has to drop Aaronson. He is behind Gnonto, Rodrigo and Bamford on 
impact alone; he is also behind Harrison who had a quietly effective game 
yesterday - I noticed he was doing a lot of shouting and organising of Gnonto 
and Firpo up and down the left, he also set up the 2nd and 3rd goals. He is 
also, presumably behind our record signing. 

A word for Rodrigo - who is so full of confidence at the moment, it is a real 
pleasure to see him playing so well and thriving.

And then Sinisterra. And what of Gelhardt? Perkins?

No idea what Ayling was trying to do with that cross…

We desperately need to learn how to defend… and, yeah Roca was mainly pants 
yesterday.

Nick

> On 19 Jan 2023, at 12:02, nattan--- via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Rich said "Interesting team selection dilemma for Sunday. Nice to have but 
> you surely can't ignore Bamford"
> I am pretty sure Rodrigo will start and his recent performances and goal 
> scoring means he deserves it, but Paddy is certainly looking good.Jesse also 
> needs to work out if Sinisterra should start,  is he fit and sharp enough? 
> Also Rutter , what does he do with him ? Assume bring him off the bench but 
> at €40m he should be first name on the team sheet once he gets up to speed. 
> The one whose place should be up for discussion is Aaronson , his recent 
> displays have not been good but he is a Jesse favourite  and looked very good 
> in his first few matches 
> 
> Most of all he needs to work out the best back four, Wober played CH last 
> night rather than as the left back we bought him to be, can we rely on Firpo 
> as left back? Ayling was massively at fault for their goal , so does Rasmus 
> get the nod ahead of him. Then with cooper struggling who plays alongside Koch
> It may be overdoing it to say this game will determine Jesse's future , but 
> if he wants to keep the job he needs to get it right. A defeat will make his 
> position very shaky indeed and the crowd will turn, of the 4 of us there last 
> night, 2 want him gone, me and another are hoping it will come right but are 
> worried and not far off joining the  'out camp'. A win at least gives him 
> breathing space and may provide a platform for the upcoming games 
> Looking at highlights from last night all 5 of our goals were excellent   
> Paddy just look so comfortable and composed for his two 
> Dave   
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
> 
> Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[nattan--- via Leedslist]

 Rich said "Interesting team selection dilemma for Sunday. Nice to have but you 
surely can't ignore Bamford"
I am pretty sure Rodrigo will start and his recent performances and goal 
scoring means he deserves it, but Paddy is certainly looking good.Jesse also 
needs to work out if Sinisterra should start,  is he fit and sharp enough? Also 
Rutter , what does he do with him ? Assume bring him off the bench but at €40m 
he should be first name on the team sheet once he gets up to speed. The one 
whose place should be up for discussion is Aaronson , his recent displays have 
not been good but he is a Jesse favourite  and looked very good in his first 
few matches 

Most of all he needs to work out the best back four, Wober played CH last night 
rather than as the left back we bought him to be, can we rely on Firpo as left 
back? Ayling was massively at fault for their goal , so does Rasmus get the nod 
ahead of him. Then with cooper struggling who plays alongside Koch
It may be overdoing it to say this game will determine Jesse's future , but if 
he wants to keep the job he needs to get it right. A defeat will make his 
position very shaky indeed and the crowd will turn, of the 4 of us there last 
night, 2 want him gone, me and another are hoping it will come right but are 
worried and not far off joining the  'out camp'. A win at least gives him 
breathing space and may provide a platform for the upcoming games 
Looking at highlights from last night all 5 of our goals were excellent   Paddy 
just look so comfortable and composed for his two 
Dave   
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Michael Benjamin]

A  game of two halves again. And again, even against drek, we reverted to form. 
It simply will not do. 
I am extremely pessimistic about this season and do not see how one game can 
change anything. 
The writing has been on the wall for some time now. We are careering straight 
into the wall regardless.
I want to be wrong. 

--Michael 


Dr  Michael Benjamin, 
Community Psychiatrist.
Oranit,
ISRAEL

SKYPE: BEDENOGA
PHONE: +972-505-317772
Online CBT ||   Online Consultations 
BLOG: Times Of Israel || Quora || Jerusalem Post || MYCYBERTHERAPY BLOG
AMAZON AUTHORS PAGE. 



-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of John Lee via 
Leedslist
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2023 11:20 AM
To: Richard Walker 
Cc: leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff

A real ‘novelty’ of a cup match to have it won so early, albeit against hapless 
opponents. But of course, the same defensive frailties as soon as a team starts 
to push forward - it started when Llorente fluffed his role, fell over to 
‘cover his mistake’, and from then on they started to look nervous. Luke 
Ayling, bless him - how many goals does he have to give away before he is 
rested! Roca was unlucky re the penalty - I thought he was trying to get his 
arm out of the way, but it hit him so a 50/50 call. But Ayling?

No-one has mentioned it, but having Greenwood on for the corners almost 
justifies his inclusion - he takes some great corners. 

Good practice for the weekend though - now the season really does have to start!


> On 19 Jan 2023, at 09:09, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> you say Cardiff offered nothing but that actually scored 3 goals and had 
> another couple of good chances which shows how fragile our defence is at the 
> moment. 
> Credit to Marsch though for actually picking a strong side and going after 
> them which has worked well because everyone goes into the Brentford game with 
> our tails up. That's how you should treat these cup games, not putting U-23s 
> in , losing, then suffering for weeks because of it which is what we have 
> done for the last 10+ years. 
> Having said that I think Marsch was forced to pick a strong team as his job 
> is on the line. 
> Interesting team selection dilemma for Sunday. Nice to have but you surely 
> can't ignore Bamford who looks sharp after his recent op. 
> 
>On Thursday, 19 January 2023 at 07:43:33 GMT, nattan--- via Leedslist 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Well that was something I have not experienced for many years - a fun 
> FA cup game. A full house ( apart from Cardiff bit - they only had the 
> top tier and only half filled it) for a cup game was also something 
> not seen for a while This was a game we were always in control of, 
> from Willie's stormer in the first minute ( I was still outside due to 
> crowds of fans not sure how to work the turnstiles) but saw it on the 
> screen outside.) They were dreadful and offered almost nothing but you 
> can only beat what is in front of you, and we did that in some style.  
> Every goal was a good one, and we created other chances as well. 
> Gnonto is looking amazing, Rodrigo scored one and had a hand in 2 
> others,  as he continued (?starts) to look a good player.  It was 
> great to see paddy  back, taking his 2 goals with style. Sinisterra 
> also made a short appearance
> 
> So overall an excellent performance,  which keeps Jesse in a job till 
> Sunday at least Shame we could not keep a clean sheet,  we got lucky with the 
> offside call at 3-0 but then Ayling let the ball through him for thier first 
> , and then they got a penalty ( var wrong for the second time in the game - 
> offside player not interfering so that should have stood and ball hit Roca 
> rather than the other way round.
> So a fun night, but Sunday is when Jesse's future will be decided.  
> Play like we did last night and we will create and score chances but 
> how many do we need to score to win ? We keep conceding 2 per game 
> including against a Cardiff side who cant even score in the 
> championship Dave ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: 
> https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
> 
> Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.  
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: 
> https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
> 
> Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mail

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[John Lee via Leedslist]

A real ‘novelty’ of a cup match to have it won so early, albeit against hapless 
opponents. But of course, the same defensive frailties as soon as a team starts 
to push forward - it started when Llorente fluffed his role, fell over to 
‘cover his mistake’, and from then on they started to look nervous. Luke 
Ayling, bless him - how many goals does he have to give away before he is 
rested! Roca was unlucky re the penalty - I thought he was trying to get his 
arm out of the way, but it hit him so a 50/50 call. But Ayling?

No-one has mentioned it, but having Greenwood on for the corners almost 
justifies his inclusion - he takes some great corners. 

Good practice for the weekend though - now the season really does have to start!


> On 19 Jan 2023, at 09:09, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> you say Cardiff offered nothing but that actually scored 3 goals and had 
> another couple of good chances which shows how fragile our defence is at the 
> moment. 
> Credit to Marsch though for actually picking a strong side and going after 
> them which has worked well because everyone goes into the Brentford game with 
> our tails up. That's how you should treat these cup games, not putting U-23s 
> in , losing, then suffering for weeks because of it which is what we have 
> done for the last 10+ years. 
> Having said that I think Marsch was forced to pick a strong team as his job 
> is on the line. 
> Interesting team selection dilemma for Sunday. Nice to have but you surely 
> can't ignore Bamford who looks sharp after his recent op. 
> 
>On Thursday, 19 January 2023 at 07:43:33 GMT, nattan--- via Leedslist 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Well that was something I have not experienced for many years - a fun FA cup 
> game. A full house ( apart from Cardiff bit - they only had the top tier and 
> only half filled it) for a cup game was also something not seen for a while 
> This was a game we were always in control of, from Willie's stormer in the 
> first minute ( I was still outside due to crowds of fans not sure how to work 
> the turnstiles) but saw it on the screen outside.)
> They were dreadful and offered almost nothing but you can only beat what is 
> in front of you, and we did that in some style.  Every goal was a good one, 
> and we created other chances as well. Gnonto is looking amazing, Rodrigo 
> scored one and had a hand in 2 others,  as he continued (?starts) to look a 
> good player.  It was great to see paddy  back, taking his 2 goals with style. 
> Sinisterra also made a short appearance 
> 
> So overall an excellent performance,  which keeps Jesse in a job till Sunday 
> at least 
> Shame we could not keep a clean sheet,  we got lucky with the offside call at 
> 3-0 but then Ayling let the ball through him for thier first , and then they 
> got a penalty ( var wrong for the second time in the game - offside player 
> not interfering so that should have stood and ball hit Roca rather than the 
> other way round.
> So a fun night, but Sunday is when Jesse's future will be decided.  Play like 
> we did last night and we will create and score chances but how many do we 
> need to score to win ? We keep conceding 2 per game including against a 
> Cardiff side who cant even score in the championship 
> Dave 
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
> 
> Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.  
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
> 
> Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Jim Moran]

Imagine where we’d be if we didn’t start every game basically 2-0 down.
Defence still a shambles like you say.

On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 at 09:09, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  you say Cardiff offered nothing but that actually scored 3 goals and had
> another couple of good chances which shows how fragile our defence is at
> the moment.
> Credit to Marsch though for actually picking a strong side and going after
> them which has worked well because everyone goes into the Brentford game
> with our tails up. That's how you should treat these cup games, not putting
> U-23s in , losing, then suffering for weeks because of it which is what we
> have done for the last 10+ years.
> Having said that I think Marsch was forced to pick a strong team as his
> job is on the line.
> Interesting team selection dilemma for Sunday. Nice to have but you surely
> can't ignore Bamford who looks sharp after his recent op.
>
> On Thursday, 19 January 2023 at 07:43:33 GMT, nattan--- via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
>  Well that was something I have not experienced for many years - a fun FA
> cup game. A full house ( apart from Cardiff bit - they only had the top
> tier and only half filled it) for a cup game was also something not seen
> for a while This was a game we were always in control of, from Willie's
> stormer in the first minute ( I was still outside due to crowds of fans not
> sure how to work the turnstiles) but saw it on the screen outside.)
> They were dreadful and offered almost nothing but you can only beat what
> is in front of you, and we did that in some style.  Every goal was a good
> one, and we created other chances as well. Gnonto is looking amazing,
> Rodrigo scored one and had a hand in 2 others,  as he continued (?starts)
> to look a good player.  It was great to see paddy  back, taking his 2 goals
> with style. Sinisterra also made a short appearance
>
> So overall an excellent performance,  which keeps Jesse in a job till
> Sunday at least
> Shame we could not keep a clean sheet,  we got lucky with the offside call
> at 3-0 but then Ayling let the ball through him for thier first , and then
> they got a penalty ( var wrong for the second time in the game - offside
> player not interfering so that should have stood and ball hit Roca rather
> than the other way round.
> So a fun night, but Sunday is when Jesse's future will be decided.  Play
> like we did last night and we will create and score chances but how many do
> we need to score to win ? We keep conceding 2 per game including against a
> Cardiff side who cant even score in the championship
> Dave
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>
> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
>
> Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>
> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
>
> Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 you say Cardiff offered nothing but that actually scored 3 goals and had 
another couple of good chances which shows how fragile our defence is at the 
moment. 
Credit to Marsch though for actually picking a strong side and going after them 
which has worked well because everyone goes into the Brentford game with our 
tails up. That's how you should treat these cup games, not putting U-23s in , 
losing, then suffering for weeks because of it which is what we have done for 
the last 10+ years. 
Having said that I think Marsch was forced to pick a strong team as his job is 
on the line. 
Interesting team selection dilemma for Sunday. Nice to have but you surely 
can't ignore Bamford who looks sharp after his recent op. 

On Thursday, 19 January 2023 at 07:43:33 GMT, nattan--- via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Well that was something I have not experienced for many years - a fun FA cup 
game. A full house ( apart from Cardiff bit - they only had the top tier and 
only half filled it) for a cup game was also something not seen for a while 
This was a game we were always in control of, from Willie's stormer in the 
first minute ( I was still outside due to crowds of fans not sure how to work 
the turnstiles) but saw it on the screen outside.)
They were dreadful and offered almost nothing but you can only beat what is in 
front of you, and we did that in some style.  Every goal was a good one, and we 
created other chances as well. Gnonto is looking amazing, Rodrigo scored one 
and had a hand in 2 others,  as he continued (?starts) to look a good player.  
It was great to see paddy  back, taking his 2 goals with style. Sinisterra also 
made a short appearance 

So overall an excellent performance,  which keeps Jesse in a job till Sunday at 
least 
Shame we could not keep a clean sheet,  we got lucky with the offside call at 
3-0 but then Ayling let the ball through him for thier first , and then they 
got a penalty ( var wrong for the second time in the game - offside player not 
interfering so that should have stood and ball hit Roca rather than the other 
way round.
So a fun night, but Sunday is when Jesse's future will be decided.  Play like 
we did last night and we will create and score chances but how many do we need 
to score to win ? We keep conceding 2 per game including against a Cardiff side 
who cant even score in the championship 
Dave 
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.  
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.

[LU] Cardiff

[nattan--- via Leedslist]

Well that was something I have not experienced for many years - a fun FA cup 
game. A full house ( apart from Cardiff bit - they only had the top tier and 
only half filled it) for a cup game was also something not seen for a while 
This was a game we were always in control of, from Willie's stormer in the 
first minute ( I was still outside due to crowds of fans not sure how to work 
the turnstiles) but saw it on the screen outside.)
They were dreadful and offered almost nothing but you can only beat what is in 
front of you, and we did that in some style.  Every goal was a good one, and we 
created other chances as well. Gnonto is looking amazing, Rodrigo scored one 
and had a hand in 2 others,  as he continued (?starts) to look a good player.  
It was great to see paddy  back, taking his 2 goals with style. Sinisterra also 
made a short appearance 

So overall an excellent performance,  which keeps Jesse in a job till Sunday at 
least 
Shame we could not keep a clean sheet,  we got lucky with the offside call at 
3-0 but then Ayling let the ball through him for thier first , and then they 
got a penalty ( var wrong for the second time in the game - offside player not 
interfering so that should have stood and ball hit Roca rather than the other 
way round.
So a fun night, but Sunday is when Jesse's future will be decided.  Play like 
we did last night and we will create and score chances but how many do we need 
to score to win ? We keep conceding 2 per game including against a Cardiff side 
who cant even score in the championship 
Dave 
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Dave Dowden, a legend, a Totty Twin, a pie man! R.I.P.

Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

[Nick]

Probably a few in Boreham Wood thinking the same…

Nick

> On 8 Jan 2023, at 16:24, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Despite the comeback, that was simply not good enough. Kristenson and Firpo 
> cannot defend and the central pair were like watching the Chuckle brothers. 
> Never rated Struijk as a central defender and I think today really showed why.
> Our midfield was non-existent. 
> 
> They were proper shite and we really struggled. Not many positives for me 
> however pleased for the fans that we actually clawed it back. Imagine the 6 
> hour coach journey back home if we’d lost.
> Boreham Wood and Accrington away if we win. Winnable ! Maybe this is our year 
> ? :)
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> 
> On Sunday, January 8, 2023, 4:16 pm, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thought Firpo did ok today.
> 
> Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
> Leedslist 
> Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 4:03:53 PM
> To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
> Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org ; Kevin Lewis 
> 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago
> 
> And up he pops with a back-heel for Perkins’ leveller :-)
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:32, "bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, he’s back ;-)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:22, John Lee via Leedslist  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Completely amazed they subbed Firpo - I thought he’d got a lift home after 
>>> about 10 minutes!
>>> 
>>> At least the substitutions indicate we want to try and win this though.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:17, Kevin Lewis  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Agree with what you say about Greenwood, but  I have to say that seemingly 
>>>> playing 4-4-2 has left Gyabi and Greenwood a bit outnumbered.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 14:56,  wrote:
>>>>> When I said we’ll need to score 3 to win it, can I increase that to 4!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Llorente/Struijk - Cooper must be pissing himself! There is zero 
>>>>> organisation in that defence! It’s way past embarrassing!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Having Greenwood & Gelhardt on is like playing with 2 men down. Greenwood 
>>>>> is probably only one lazy late challenge from a red card too. Hoping 
>>>>> Gnonto doesn’t pick another booking up too - unlucky re his first 
>>>>> booking, as there was slight contact, but why he went down who knows?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ah well, we can concentrate on the league, unless...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> We’re just lightweight all over the pitch.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> __
>>> ___
>>> Leedslist mailing list
>>> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
>>> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>>> 
>>> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
>>> 
>>> Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
>> 
> 
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
> 
> Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
> 
> Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
> 
> 
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
> 
> Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!

Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Despite the comeback, that was simply not good enough. Kristenson and Firpo 
cannot defend and the central pair were like watching the Chuckle brothers. 
Never rated Struijk as a central defender and I think today really showed why.
Our midfield was non-existent. 

They were proper shite and we really struggled. Not many positives for me 
however pleased for the fans that we actually clawed it back. Imagine the 6 
hour coach journey back home if we’d lost.
Boreham Wood and Accrington away if we win. Winnable ! Maybe this is our year ? 
:)



Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Sunday, January 8, 2023, 4:16 pm, Simon McNally via Leedslist 
 wrote:

Thought Firpo did ok today.

Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 4:03:53 PM
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org ; Kevin Lewis 

Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

And up he pops with a back-heel for Perkins’ leveller :-)

Sent from my iPad

> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:32, "bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk" 
>  wrote:
>
> Oh, he’s back ;-)
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:22, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
>>
>> Completely amazed they subbed Firpo - I thought he’d got a lift home after 
>> about 10 minutes!
>>
>> At least the substitutions indicate we want to try and win this though.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:17, Kevin Lewis  wrote:
>>>
>>> Agree with what you say about Greenwood, but  I have to say that seemingly 
>>> playing 4-4-2 has left Gyabi and Greenwood a bit outnumbered.
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 14:56,  wrote:
>>>> When I said we’ll need to score 3 to win it, can I increase that to 4!
>>>>
>>>> Llorente/Struijk - Cooper must be pissing himself! There is zero 
>>>> organisation in that defence! It’s way past embarrassing!
>>>>
>>>> Having Greenwood & Gelhardt on is like playing with 2 men down. Greenwood 
>>>> is probably only one lazy late challenge from a red card too. Hoping 
>>>> Gnonto doesn’t pick another booking up too - unlucky re his first booking, 
>>>> as there was slight contact, but why he went down who knows?
>>>>
>>>> Ah well, we can concentrate on the league, unless...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We’re just lightweight all over the pitch.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _
>>>>>
>>>>> __
>> ___
>> Leedslist mailing list
>> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
>> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>>
>> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
>>
>> Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
>

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!


___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!

Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Thought Firpo did ok today.

Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 4:03:53 PM
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org ; Kevin Lewis 

Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

And up he pops with a back-heel for Perkins’ leveller :-)

Sent from my iPad

> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:32, "bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk" 
>  wrote:
>
> Oh, he’s back ;-)
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:22, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
>>
>> Completely amazed they subbed Firpo - I thought he’d got a lift home after 
>> about 10 minutes!
>>
>> At least the substitutions indicate we want to try and win this though.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:17, Kevin Lewis  wrote:
>>>
>>> Agree with what you say about Greenwood, but  I have to say that seemingly 
>>> playing 4-4-2 has left Gyabi and Greenwood a bit outnumbered.
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 14:56,  wrote:
>>>> When I said we’ll need to score 3 to win it, can I increase that to 4!
>>>>
>>>> Llorente/Struijk - Cooper must be pissing himself! There is zero 
>>>> organisation in that defence! It’s way past embarrassing!
>>>>
>>>> Having Greenwood & Gelhardt on is like playing with 2 men down. Greenwood 
>>>> is probably only one lazy late challenge from a red card too. Hoping 
>>>> Gnonto doesn’t pick another booking up too - unlucky re his first booking, 
>>>> as there was slight contact, but why he went down who knows?
>>>>
>>>> Ah well, we can concentrate on the league, unless...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We’re just lightweight all over the pitch.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _
>>>>>
>>>>> __
>> ___
>> Leedslist mailing list
>> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
>> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>>
>> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
>>
>> Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
>

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!

Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

[John Lee via Leedslist]

And up he pops with a back-heel for Perkins’ leveller :-)

Sent from my iPad

> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:32, "bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk" 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oh, he’s back ;-)
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:22, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
>> 
>> Completely amazed they subbed Firpo - I thought he’d got a lift home after 
>> about 10 minutes!
>> 
>> At least the substitutions indicate we want to try and win this though.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:17, Kevin Lewis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree with what you say about Greenwood, but  I have to say that seemingly 
>>> playing 4-4-2 has left Gyabi and Greenwood a bit outnumbered.
>>> 
 On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 14:56,  wrote:
 When I said we’ll need to score 3 to win it, can I increase that to 4!
 
 Llorente/Struijk - Cooper must be pissing himself! There is zero 
 organisation in that defence! It’s way past embarrassing!
 
 Having Greenwood & Gelhardt on is like playing with 2 men down. Greenwood 
 is probably only one lazy late challenge from a red card too. Hoping 
 Gnonto doesn’t pick another booking up too - unlucky re his first booking, 
 as there was slight contact, but why he went down who knows?
 
 Ah well, we can concentrate on the league, unless...
 
 
 
 We’re just lightweight all over the pitch.
 
> 
> _
> 
> __
>> ___
>> Leedslist mailing list
>> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
>> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>> 
>> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
>> 
>> Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
> 

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!

Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Oh, he’s back ;-)

Sent from my iPad

> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:22, John Lee via Leedslist  wrote:
> 
> Completely amazed they subbed Firpo - I thought he’d got a lift home after 
> about 10 minutes!
> 
> At least the substitutions indicate we want to try and win this though.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:17, Kevin Lewis  wrote:
>> 
>> Agree with what you say about Greenwood, but  I have to say that seemingly 
>> playing 4-4-2 has left Gyabi and Greenwood a bit outnumbered.
>> 
>>> On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 14:56,  wrote:
>>> When I said we’ll need to score 3 to win it, can I increase that to 4!
>>> 
>>> Llorente/Struijk - Cooper must be pissing himself! There is zero 
>>> organisation in that defence! It’s way past embarrassing!
>>> 
>>> Having Greenwood & Gelhardt on is like playing with 2 men down. Greenwood 
>>> is probably only one lazy late challenge from a red card too. Hoping Gnonto 
>>> doesn’t pick another booking up too - unlucky re his first booking, as 
>>> there was slight contact, but why he went down who knows?
>>> 
>>> Ah well, we can concentrate on the league, unless...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> We’re just lightweight all over the pitch.
>>> 
 
 _
 
 __
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
> 
> Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!

Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Completely amazed they subbed Firpo - I thought he’d got a lift home after 
about 10 minutes!

At least the substitutions indicate we want to try and win this though.

Sent from my iPad

> On 8 Jan 2023, at 15:17, Kevin Lewis  wrote:
> 
> Agree with what you say about Greenwood, but  I have to say that seemingly 
> playing 4-4-2 has left Gyabi and Greenwood a bit outnumbered.
> 
>> On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 14:56,  wrote:
>> When I said we’ll need to score 3 to win it, can I increase that to 4!
>> 
>> Llorente/Struijk - Cooper must be pissing himself! There is zero 
>> organisation in that defence! It’s way past embarrassing!
>> 
>> Having Greenwood & Gelhardt on is like playing with 2 men down. Greenwood is 
>> probably only one lazy late challenge from a red card too. Hoping Gnonto 
>> doesn’t pick another booking up too - unlucky re his first booking, as there 
>> was slight contact, but why he went down who knows?
>> 
>> Ah well, we can concentrate on the league, unless...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> We’re just lightweight all over the pitch.
>> 
>>> 
>>> _
>>> 
>>> __
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!

Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

[Kevin Lewis via Leedslist]

Agree with what you say about Greenwood, but  I have to say that seemingly
playing 4-4-2 has left Gyabi and Greenwood a bit outnumbered.

On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 at 14:56,  wrote:

> When I said we’ll need to score 3 to win it, can I increase that to 4!
>
> Llorente/Struijk - Cooper must be pissing himself! There is zero
> organisation in that defence! It’s way past embarrassing!
>
> Having Greenwood & Gelhardt on is like playing with 2 men down. Greenwood
> is probably only one lazy late challenge from a red card too. Hoping Gnonto
> doesn’t pick another booking up too - unlucky re his first booking, as
> there was slight contact, but why he went down who knows?
>
> Ah well, we can concentrate on the league, unless...
>
>
>
> We’re just lightweight all over the pitch.
>
>
> _
>
> __
>
>
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!

Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

[John Lee via Leedslist]

When I said we’ll need to score 3 to win it, can I increase that to 4!

Llorente/Struijk - Cooper must be pissing himself! There is zero organisation 
in that defence! It’s way past embarrassing!

Having Greenwood & Gelhardt on is like playing with 2 men down. Greenwood is 
probably only one lazy late challenge from a red card too. Hoping Gnonto 
doesn’t pick another booking up too - unlucky re his first booking, as there 
was slight contact, but why he went down who knows?

Ah well, we can concentrate on the league, unless...



We’re just lightweight all over the pitch.

Sent from my iPad

> On 8 Jan 2023, at 14:32, Simon McNally  wrote:
> 
> And again
> 
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Simon McNally via 
> Leedslist 
> Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 2:29:22 PM
> To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk ; Peter Castlehouse 
> 
> Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org ; Kevin Lewis 
> 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago
>  
> Shambles
> 
> Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
> Leedslist 
> Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 2:27:38 PM
> To: Peter Castlehouse 
> Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org ; Kevin Lewis 
> 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago
> 
> Good to see that our b-team also have the ability to f*** it up all by 
> themselves?
> 
> Some good signs going forward, so not done yet, but we’ll need at least 3 to 
> win it imho!
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On 8 Jan 2023, at 14:19, Peter Castlehouse  wrote:
> >
> > Brilliant memory post King of Tonga.  Yes, some of us still live with the 
> > memory of that  game, and I think a few of us still regard that as the last 
> > time LUFC had any ambition to progress in that competition.  I'm not sure 
> > this squad are 1972 capable, but I wish at least we'd give it a fucking go 
> > instead of fielding U-17s, thereby showing some respect to the 6,000+ fans 
> > travelling to the game and paying hard-earned moolah for an expensive 
> > day-out.  Not all of the fans are on £30,000 a week
> >
> > Pete C
> > t'original one
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Kevin Lewis via 
> > Leedslist
> > Sent: Monday, 9 January 2023 12:12 AM
> > To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> > Subject: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago
> >
> > I'm not great fan of the Mail on Sunday, but there is a huge piece on the 
> > Cardiff game 21 years ago when we were top of the Premiership and got 
> > humbled by a committed Cardiff team.
> >
> > The current players, management, owners and everyone should be forced to 
> > read that this morning and told how much the memory of that day still hurts 
> > Leeds fans.  The actions of Sam Hammam and the immediate aftermath is still 
> > painful.
> >
> > It could also be regarded as the El Alemein moment in Leeds recent history 
> > as nothing much went right from then on for a long time.
> >
> > Whilst the players from that day have all moved on to other clubs, and in
> > 20 years time the current bunch will all be elsewhere, the fans will have 
> > to live with what happens today for 20 years and more. So firstly let's 
> > pick a team that can put a bit of trepidation into the Cardiff players 
> > rather than encourage them, and then motivate them that it is not a 
> > pointless sideshow to the league.
> >
> > KoT.
> >
> > ___
> > Leedslist mailing list
> > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> >
> > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
> >
> > Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
> 
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
> 
> Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
> 
> Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!

Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

[Michael Benjamin]

Half time and they aren't humbling us.
We are doing it alone.

Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>

From: Leedslist  on behalf of Kevin Lewis via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 3:11:32 PM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

I'm not great fan of the Mail on Sunday, but there is a huge piece on the
Cardiff game 21 years ago when we were top of the Premiership and got
humbled by a committed Cardiff team.

The current players, management, owners and everyone should be forced to
read that this morning and told how much the memory of that day still hurts
Leeds fans.  The actions of Sam Hammam and the immediate aftermath is still
painful.

It could also be regarded as the El Alemein moment in Leeds recent history
as nothing much went right from then on for a long time.

Whilst the players from that day have all moved on to other clubs, and in
20 years time the current bunch will all be elsewhere, the fans will have
to live with what happens today for 20 years and more. So firstly let's
pick a team that can put a bit of trepidation into the Cardiff players
rather than encourage them, and then motivate them that it is not a
pointless sideshow to the league.

KoT.
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!

Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

And again

Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: Leedslist  on behalf of Simon McNally via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 2:29:22 PM
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk ; Peter Castlehouse 

Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org ; Kevin Lewis 

Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

Shambles

Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 2:27:38 PM
To: Peter Castlehouse 
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org ; Kevin Lewis 

Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

Good to see that our b-team also have the ability to f*** it up all by 
themselves?

Some good signs going forward, so not done yet, but we’ll need at least 3 to 
win it imho!

Sent from my iPad

> On 8 Jan 2023, at 14:19, Peter Castlehouse  wrote:
>
> Brilliant memory post King of Tonga.  Yes, some of us still live with the 
> memory of that  game, and I think a few of us still regard that as the last 
> time LUFC had any ambition to progress in that competition.  I'm not sure 
> this squad are 1972 capable, but I wish at least we'd give it a fucking go 
> instead of fielding U-17s, thereby showing some respect to the 6,000+ fans 
> travelling to the game and paying hard-earned moolah for an expensive 
> day-out.  Not all of the fans are on £30,000 a week
>
> Pete C
> t'original one
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Kevin Lewis via 
> Leedslist
> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2023 12:12 AM
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago
>
> I'm not great fan of the Mail on Sunday, but there is a huge piece on the 
> Cardiff game 21 years ago when we were top of the Premiership and got humbled 
> by a committed Cardiff team.
>
> The current players, management, owners and everyone should be forced to read 
> that this morning and told how much the memory of that day still hurts Leeds 
> fans.  The actions of Sam Hammam and the immediate aftermath is still painful.
>
> It could also be regarded as the El Alemein moment in Leeds recent history as 
> nothing much went right from then on for a long time.
>
> Whilst the players from that day have all moved on to other clubs, and in
> 20 years time the current bunch will all be elsewhere, the fans will have to 
> live with what happens today for 20 years and more. So firstly let's pick a 
> team that can put a bit of trepidation into the Cardiff players rather than 
> encourage them, and then motivate them that it is not a pointless sideshow to 
> the league.
>
> KoT.
>
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>
> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
>
> Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!

Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

[Simon McNally via Leedslist]

Shambles

Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 2:27:38 PM
To: Peter Castlehouse 
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org ; Kevin Lewis 

Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

Good to see that our b-team also have the ability to f*** it up all by 
themselves?

Some good signs going forward, so not done yet, but we’ll need at least 3 to 
win it imho!

Sent from my iPad

> On 8 Jan 2023, at 14:19, Peter Castlehouse  wrote:
>
> Brilliant memory post King of Tonga.  Yes, some of us still live with the 
> memory of that  game, and I think a few of us still regard that as the last 
> time LUFC had any ambition to progress in that competition.  I'm not sure 
> this squad are 1972 capable, but I wish at least we'd give it a fucking go 
> instead of fielding U-17s, thereby showing some respect to the 6,000+ fans 
> travelling to the game and paying hard-earned moolah for an expensive 
> day-out.  Not all of the fans are on £30,000 a week
>
> Pete C
> t'original one
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Kevin Lewis via 
> Leedslist
> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2023 12:12 AM
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago
>
> I'm not great fan of the Mail on Sunday, but there is a huge piece on the 
> Cardiff game 21 years ago when we were top of the Premiership and got humbled 
> by a committed Cardiff team.
>
> The current players, management, owners and everyone should be forced to read 
> that this morning and told how much the memory of that day still hurts Leeds 
> fans.  The actions of Sam Hammam and the immediate aftermath is still painful.
>
> It could also be regarded as the El Alemein moment in Leeds recent history as 
> nothing much went right from then on for a long time.
>
> Whilst the players from that day have all moved on to other clubs, and in
> 20 years time the current bunch will all be elsewhere, the fans will have to 
> live with what happens today for 20 years and more. So firstly let's pick a 
> team that can put a bit of trepidation into the Cardiff players rather than 
> encourage them, and then motivate them that it is not a pointless sideshow to 
> the league.
>
> KoT.
>
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>
> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
>
> Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!

Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Good to see that our b-team also have the ability to f*** it up all by 
themselves?

Some good signs going forward, so not done yet, but we’ll need at least 3 to 
win it imho!

Sent from my iPad

> On 8 Jan 2023, at 14:19, Peter Castlehouse  wrote:
> 
> Brilliant memory post King of Tonga.  Yes, some of us still live with the 
> memory of that  game, and I think a few of us still regard that as the last 
> time LUFC had any ambition to progress in that competition.  I'm not sure 
> this squad are 1972 capable, but I wish at least we'd give it a fucking go 
> instead of fielding U-17s, thereby showing some respect to the 6,000+ fans 
> travelling to the game and paying hard-earned moolah for an expensive 
> day-out.  Not all of the fans are on £30,000 a week
> 
> Pete C
> t'original one
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Kevin Lewis via 
> Leedslist
> Sent: Monday, 9 January 2023 12:12 AM
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago
> 
> I'm not great fan of the Mail on Sunday, but there is a huge piece on the 
> Cardiff game 21 years ago when we were top of the Premiership and got humbled 
> by a committed Cardiff team.
> 
> The current players, management, owners and everyone should be forced to read 
> that this morning and told how much the memory of that day still hurts Leeds 
> fans.  The actions of Sam Hammam and the immediate aftermath is still painful.
> 
> It could also be regarded as the El Alemein moment in Leeds recent history as 
> nothing much went right from then on for a long time.
> 
> Whilst the players from that day have all moved on to other clubs, and in
> 20 years time the current bunch will all be elsewhere, the fans will have to 
> live with what happens today for 20 years and more. So firstly let's pick a 
> team that can put a bit of trepidation into the Cardiff players rather than 
> encourage them, and then motivate them that it is not a pointless sideshow to 
> the league.
> 
> KoT.
> 
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
> 
> Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!

Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Not sure how much our part B-team will worry Cardiff, but hopefully we’ll have 
more than enough for them. Firpo on the pitch, so prepare for slapstick - he 
might even score, but whether he’ll defend or not who knows?

I do actually think this should be comfortable, for no logical reason 
whatsoever ;-)



> On 8 Jan 2023, at 13:11, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm not great fan of the Mail on Sunday, but there is a huge piece on the
> Cardiff game 21 years ago when we were top of the Premiership and got
> humbled by a committed Cardiff team.
> 
> The current players, management, owners and everyone should be forced to
> read that this morning and told how much the memory of that day still hurts
> Leeds fans.  The actions of Sam Hammam and the immediate aftermath is still
> painful.
> 
> It could also be regarded as the El Alemein moment in Leeds recent history
> as nothing much went right from then on for a long time.
> 
> Whilst the players from that day have all moved on to other clubs, and in
> 20 years time the current bunch will all be elsewhere, the fans will have
> to live with what happens today for 20 years and more. So firstly let's
> pick a team that can put a bit of trepidation into the Cardiff players
> rather than encourage them, and then motivate them that it is not a
> pointless sideshow to the league.
> 
> KoT.
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
> 
> Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!

Re: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

[Peter Castlehouse]

Brilliant memory post King of Tonga.  Yes, some of us still live with the 
memory of that  game, and I think a few of us still regard that as the last 
time LUFC had any ambition to progress in that competition.  I'm not sure this 
squad are 1972 capable, but I wish at least we'd give it a fucking go instead 
of fielding U-17s, thereby showing some respect to the 6,000+ fans travelling 
to the game and paying hard-earned moolah for an expensive day-out.  Not all of 
the fans are on £30,000 a week

Pete C
t'original one

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Kevin Lewis via 
Leedslist
Sent: Monday, 9 January 2023 12:12 AM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

I'm not great fan of the Mail on Sunday, but there is a huge piece on the 
Cardiff game 21 years ago when we were top of the Premiership and got humbled 
by a committed Cardiff team.

The current players, management, owners and everyone should be forced to read 
that this morning and told how much the memory of that day still hurts Leeds 
fans.  The actions of Sam Hammam and the immediate aftermath is still painful.

It could also be regarded as the El Alemein moment in Leeds recent history as 
nothing much went right from then on for a long time.

Whilst the players from that day have all moved on to other clubs, and in
20 years time the current bunch will all be elsewhere, the fans will have to 
live with what happens today for 20 years and more. So firstly let's pick a 
team that can put a bit of trepidation into the Cardiff players rather than 
encourage them, and then motivate them that it is not a pointless sideshow to 
the league.

KoT.

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!

[LU] Cardiff 21 years ago

[Kevin Lewis via Leedslist]

I'm not great fan of the Mail on Sunday, but there is a huge piece on the
Cardiff game 21 years ago when we were top of the Premiership and got
humbled by a committed Cardiff team.

The current players, management, owners and everyone should be forced to
read that this morning and told how much the memory of that day still hurts
Leeds fans.  The actions of Sam Hammam and the immediate aftermath is still
painful.

It could also be regarded as the El Alemein moment in Leeds recent history
as nothing much went right from then on for a long time.

Whilst the players from that day have all moved on to other clubs, and in
20 years time the current bunch will all be elsewhere, the fans will have
to live with what happens today for 20 years and more. So firstly let's
pick a team that can put a bit of trepidation into the Cardiff players
rather than encourage them, and then motivate them that it is not a
pointless sideshow to the league.

KoT.
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!

Re: [LU] Cardiff - here we go again

[Jeremy Adams]

Yeah but Philips is fucking dynamite on FIFA20.

From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Walker via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 3:06 AM
To: Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) ; bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 

Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff - here we go again

As you know, Philips being the first name on the team sheet really pisses me 
off. Yes, he's improved and he has qualities for certain matches and certain 
periods within matches that at this level are required. However, I still think 
that he's a mid table, championship footballer and building a team around him 
strolling around the park and taking every set piece is just short sighted. His 
performance against Cardiff summed this up perfectly. His set pieces were poor 
and he struggled to make an impact on the game. His only real contribution was 
giving the ball away with a lazy pass for their goal.
On Wednesday, 24 June 2020, 14:22:03 BST, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:

 I’ve always thought, and still think this, that Shackleton should be on the 
team-sheet every week - he’s like a little Batty energy-wise. For all Philips’ 
defensive cover, he is very slow. With Roberts and Klich in the middle too we 
were lightweight.

Bloody football!

Sent from my iPad

> On 23 Jun 2020, at 18:41, Kevin Lewis (UK SBS)  
> wrote:
>
>
> I thought I’d replied to this at the time, but it still stands.
> John wrote: --
>
>
> The positives: we look fit; lots of possession; ppromotion-wise we’re not 
> really any worse off than yesterday
>
> The negatives: never really looked like scoring (despite the stats); 2 sh*t 
> defensive passes cost us 2 goals; Roberts - lightweight and ineffective; 
> Bamford - awful first touch and jinxed by bad luck; Poveda - why?; all-round 
> passing - sloppy as hell
> --
>
> It is just like we’ve never been away.  I try to see the good in Costa and 
> Bamford, but it is just so outweighed by the bad that I’m oblivious to it.
> The rest of them, even Harrison usually get into the credit column.
>
> It must be worrying for Douglas if he is fit, that he is behind both Alioski 
> and Davis as Left back cover.  Perhaps it’s Alioski’s creative spark that 
> gets him in!!??
>
> Your lad Edmondson has to be worth a place on a bench of 9.  Could he 
> possibly do worse than a knackered Bamford in the last 10 – 15 mins.
>
> In that sort of game we rely on Pablo either scoring himself, or laying on 
> the kind of chance that even those Donkeys can put away.
>
> We need him badly next week, instead of Bamford or Costa I don’t care which.
>
>
> KOT
>
>
> Sent from 
> Mail<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986data=02%7C01%7C%7C22c0e40fe0a64fb638dd08d818d65b04%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637286656212126451sdata=wa8hL8zDGypf8vIkUAWbfS8DByLbCiH7tl5V%2FRQVj24%3Dreserved=0>
>  for Windows 10
>
> UK Shared Business Services Ltd. Registered in England and Wales as a limited 
> company. Company number 6330639. Registered Office: Polaris House, North Star 
> Avenue, Swindon, Wiltshire SN2 1FF. This email and any attachments are 
> intended for the named addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended 
> recipient, please notify us immediately and do not disclose, distribute, or 
> retain this email or any part of it. While we have taken every reasonable 
> precaution to minimise risk of this e-mail or any attachments containing 
> viruses, the recipient should carry out its own virus checks before opening 
> the attachments. The Company does not accept any liability for any losses or 
> damages which the recipient may sustain due to presence of any viruses. Any 
> opinions expressed in this email (including attachments) are those of the 
> author and do not necessarily reflect the company's opinions. We will not 
> accept responsibility for any commitments made by our employees outside the 
> scope of our business. The Company reserves the right to monitor all e-mail 
> communications through their networks for the purposes of preventing and 
> detecting crime.
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: 
> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmailman.gn.apc.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fleedslistdata=02%7C01%7C%7C22c0e40fe0a64fb638dd08d818d65b04%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637286656212126451sdata=8lVIgvYFE%2FH8z7JFk%2FiuwqcHi1B2IjBatc9JQWud8ns%3Dreserved=0
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>
> Find us on Facebook 
> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fgroups%2Fleedslist%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C22c0e40fe0a64fb638dd08d818d65b04%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aa

Re: [LU] Cardiff - here we go again

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 As you know, Philips being the first name on the team sheet really pisses me 
off. Yes, he's improved and he has qualities for certain matches and certain 
periods within matches that at this level are required. However, I still think 
that he's a mid table, championship footballer and building a team around him 
strolling around the park and taking every set piece is just short sighted. His 
performance against Cardiff summed this up perfectly. His set pieces were poor 
and he struggled to make an impact on the game. His only real contribution was 
giving the ball away with a lazy pass for their goal. 
On Wednesday, 24 June 2020, 14:22:03 BST, John Lee via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 I’ve always thought, and still think this, that Shackleton should be on the 
team-sheet every week - he’s like a little Batty energy-wise. For all Philips’ 
defensive cover, he is very slow. With Roberts and Klich in the middle too we 
were lightweight.

Bloody football!

Sent from my iPad

> On 23 Jun 2020, at 18:41, Kevin Lewis (UK SBS)  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I thought I’d replied to this at the time, but it still stands.
> John wrote: --
> 
> 
> The positives: we look fit; lots of possession; ppromotion-wise we’re not 
> really any worse off than yesterday
> 
> The negatives: never really looked like scoring (despite the stats); 2 sh*t 
> defensive passes cost us 2 goals; Roberts - lightweight and ineffective; 
> Bamford - awful first touch and jinxed by bad luck; Poveda - why?; all-round 
> passing - sloppy as hell
> --
> 
> It is just like we’ve never been away.  I try to see the good in Costa and 
> Bamford, but it is just so outweighed by the bad that I’m oblivious to it.
> The rest of them, even Harrison usually get into the credit column.
> 
> It must be worrying for Douglas if he is fit, that he is behind both Alioski 
> and Davis as Left back cover.  Perhaps it’s Alioski’s creative spark that 
> gets him in!!??
> 
> Your lad Edmondson has to be worth a place on a bench of 9.  Could he 
> possibly do worse than a knackered Bamford in the last 10 – 15 mins.
> 
> In that sort of game we rely on Pablo either scoring himself, or laying on 
> the kind of chance that even those Donkeys can put away.
> 
> We need him badly next week, instead of Bamford or Costa I don’t care which.
> 
> 
> KOT
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
> UK Shared Business Services Ltd. Registered in England and Wales as a limited 
> company. Company number 6330639. Registered Office: Polaris House, North Star 
> Avenue, Swindon, Wiltshire SN2 1FF. This email and any attachments are 
> intended for the named addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended 
> recipient, please notify us immediately and do not disclose, distribute, or 
> retain this email or any part of it. While we have taken every reasonable 
> precaution to minimise risk of this e-mail or any attachments containing 
> viruses, the recipient should carry out its own virus checks before opening 
> the attachments. The Company does not accept any liability for any losses or 
> damages which the recipient may sustain due to presence of any viruses. Any 
> opinions expressed in this email (including attachments) are those of the 
> author and do not necessarily reflect the company's opinions. We will not 
> accept responsibility for any commitments made by our employees outside the 
> scope of our business. The Company reserves the right to monitor all e-mail 
> communications through their networks for the purposes of preventing and 
> detecting crime.
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
> 
> RIP Norman MOT

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

RIP Norman MOT
  
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

RIP Norman MOT

Re: [LU] Cardiff - here we go again

[John Lee via Leedslist]

I’ve always thought, and still think this, that Shackleton should be on the 
team-sheet every week - he’s like a little Batty energy-wise. For all Philips’ 
defensive cover, he is very slow. With Roberts and Klich in the middle too we 
were lightweight.

Bloody football!

Sent from my iPad

> On 23 Jun 2020, at 18:41, Kevin Lewis (UK SBS)  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I thought I’d replied to this at the time, but it still stands.
> John wrote: --
> 
> 
> The positives: we look fit; lots of possession; ppromotion-wise we’re not 
> really any worse off than yesterday
> 
> The negatives: never really looked like scoring (despite the stats); 2 sh*t 
> defensive passes cost us 2 goals; Roberts - lightweight and ineffective; 
> Bamford - awful first touch and jinxed by bad luck; Poveda - why?; all-round 
> passing - sloppy as hell
> --
> 
> It is just like we’ve never been away.  I try to see the good in Costa and 
> Bamford, but it is just so outweighed by the bad that I’m oblivious to it.
> The rest of them, even Harrison usually get into the credit column.
> 
> It must be worrying for Douglas if he is fit, that he is behind both Alioski 
> and Davis as Left back cover.  Perhaps it’s Alioski’s creative spark that 
> gets him in!!??
> 
> Your lad Edmondson has to be worth a place on a bench of 9.  Could he 
> possibly do worse than a knackered Bamford in the last 10 – 15 mins.
> 
> In that sort of game we rely on Pablo either scoring himself, or laying on 
> the kind of chance that even those Donkeys can put away.
> 
> We need him badly next week, instead of Bamford or Costa I don’t care which.
> 
> 
> KOT
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
> UK Shared Business Services Ltd. Registered in England and Wales as a limited 
> company. Company number 6330639. Registered Office: Polaris House, North Star 
> Avenue, Swindon, Wiltshire SN2 1FF. This email and any attachments are 
> intended for the named addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended 
> recipient, please notify us immediately and do not disclose, distribute, or 
> retain this email or any part of it. While we have taken every reasonable 
> precaution to minimise risk of this e-mail or any attachments containing 
> viruses, the recipient should carry out its own virus checks before opening 
> the attachments. The Company does not accept any liability for any losses or 
> damages which the recipient may sustain due to presence of any viruses. Any 
> opinions expressed in this email (including attachments) are those of the 
> author and do not necessarily reflect the company's opinions. We will not 
> accept responsibility for any commitments made by our employees outside the 
> scope of our business. The Company reserves the right to monitor all e-mail 
> communications through their networks for the purposes of preventing and 
> detecting crime.
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
> 
> RIP Norman MOT

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

RIP Norman MOT

Re: [LU] Cardiff - here we go again

[Kevin Lewis (UK SBS)]

I thought I’d replied to this at the time, but it still stands.
John wrote: --


The positives: we look fit; lots of possession; ppromotion-wise we’re not 
really any worse off than yesterday

The negatives: never really looked like scoring (despite the stats); 2 sh*t 
defensive passes cost us 2 goals; Roberts - lightweight and ineffective; 
Bamford - awful first touch and jinxed by bad luck; Poveda - why?; all-round 
passing - sloppy as hell
--

It is just like we’ve never been away.  I try to see the good in Costa and 
Bamford, but it is just so outweighed by the bad that I’m oblivious to it.
The rest of them, even Harrison usually get into the credit column.

It must be worrying for Douglas if he is fit, that he is behind both Alioski 
and Davis as Left back cover.  Perhaps it’s Alioski’s creative spark that gets 
him in!!??

Your lad Edmondson has to be worth a place on a bench of 9.  Could he possibly 
do worse than a knackered Bamford in the last 10 – 15 mins.

In that sort of game we rely on Pablo either scoring himself, or laying on the 
kind of chance that even those Donkeys can put away.

We need him badly next week, instead of Bamford or Costa I don’t care which.


KOT


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

UK Shared Business Services Ltd. Registered in England and Wales as a limited 
company. Company number 6330639. Registered Office: Polaris House, North Star 
Avenue, Swindon, Wiltshire SN2 1FF. This email and any attachments are intended 
for the named addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, please 
notify us immediately and do not disclose, distribute, or retain this email or 
any part of it. While we have taken every reasonable precaution to minimise 
risk of this e-mail or any attachments containing viruses, the recipient should 
carry out its own virus checks before opening the attachments. The Company does 
not accept any liability for any losses or damages which the recipient may 
sustain due to presence of any viruses. Any opinions expressed in this email 
(including attachments) are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect 
the company's opinions. We will not accept responsibility for any commitments 
made by our employees outside the scope of our business. The Company reserves 
the right to monitor all e-mail communications through their networks for the 
purposes of preventing and detecting crime.
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

RIP Norman MOT

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Yes normally we have those midfielders dropping and rotating to get the ball 
from White and Cooper, but yesterday it appeared noone was there ?
Nick
On Monday, June 22, 2020, 03:13:51 PM EDT, Nick  
wrote:  
 
 The second problem (the first one being giving the ball away cheaply) is that, 
as soon as we appear to have it under control at the back, our midfield and 
forwards push up - good for swift attacks - but it means we are thin on the 
ground, and if we give it away the midfield has 15 metres to get back quickly, 
so if no one in defence holds them up…they’re in. Both those goals yesterday 
the Cardiff players had so much room, it was untrue.

But in fact, we are slightly closer to automatic promotion after that w/e, 
because the gap is the same but the number of games in less…silver linings.

Nick

> On 22 Jun 2020, at 17:01, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Miesler - 3Ayling - 3Dallas - 6Cooper - 4White -6Philips - 2Harrison - 
> 2Bamford - 2Roberts - 2 Costa - 2Klich - 3 
> 
> Meslier - bit unfair he had nothing to do and could do nothing on either 
> shot. Literally a passenger.
> Harrison - Yes he did hit the first man a few times but he also put in some 
> good balls in the right areas but Bamford is making weird runs or Roberts is 
> outside the box.
> Klich - He was poor...and got annoying as the game went on as he got pissy 
> rather than trying to turn the games around.
> Phillips - the hero-worship needs to stop. He is a good player, but 
> international midfielder? God no And once he lost the ball he just 
> strolled back.
> Pablo - had the worst game of all. WTF is he getting injured for. We missed 
> him badly.
> I think we just needed to play a bit quicker which we do when we are at our 
> best. It was all a bit lethargic. Cardiff just had to sit back really (but 
> even then we should have scored from Harrison if Bamford had not got in the 
> way.) I also think we should have had at least one penalty for the push on 
> Costa first-half. 
> Nick
>    On Monday, June 22, 2020, 09:36:20 AM EDT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
> wrote:  
> 
> I was pretty disappointed with our performance and despite having our usual 
> 70% of possession I don't think we would have scored if we were still playing 
> now. All our forward players were powder puff:
> Bamford just continued where he left off, a player who plays on the periphery 
> of the game but when he does get involved he fucks up. He's now added 
> clearances for the opposition defence to his game. What a player. 
> Costa started on the wing again and he got into some good positions but his 
> final ball is non-existant and he looks like he's shooting through treacle. 
> He moved into the centre second half and again saw a lot of the ball but he 
> failed to do anything constructive with it. I keep saying to myself that he's 
> a good player and will come good eventually but maybe I'm wrong and he is 
> actually shit ? 
> Harrison - after listening to the Don Goodman banging on about how he's 
> impoved this season, Harrison treated us to a performance that was worse than 
> some of the drivel he served up last season. Time and time again his cross 
> never managed to beat the first blue shirt. Very frustrating. 
> Roberts - he's having a laugh. A couple of fancy foot juggles doesn't 
> represent a good performance. He never got a hold of the game and in the end 
> was just a passenger. I'd play him up front instead of Bamford and play Gotts 
> or Shack in midfield in the absence of Pablo. But that might not fit with 
> Bielsa's rigid master plan. 
> The others were equally poor with a special mention for Philips who looked 
> flat footed and clueless. His freekicks and corners were terrible and he 
> plodded around the pitch like he'd spent the last 3 months on his arse 
> watching Netflix. Maybe he has ? 
> The passing around the back is frustrating at the best of times but when it's 
> being done by players who are unable to pass a 10ft pass to  team mate 
> (Cooper) then it's gonna put you on the back foot. 
> Finally, the young keeper. He didn't have much to do other than pick the ball 
> out of the net twice but he's not inspiring me with confidence. 
> Got to do better next Sat  
> Miesler - 3Ayling - 3Dallas - 6Cooper - 4White -6Philips - 2Harrison - 
> 2Bamford - 2Roberts - 2 Costa - 2Klich - 3 
> 
> Subs: Can't remember a single contribution by any of them other than Allioski 
> shot into Row Z.  
> p.s. doesn't it piss you off to hear Don Goodman and Mick McCarthy bang on 
> about how good we are, how well we are playing and how unlucky we are. It's 
> nonsense. 
> 
> 
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
> 
> RIP Norman MOT
> 
> 

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Nick]

The second problem (the first one being giving the ball away cheaply) is that, 
as soon as we appear to have it under control at the back, our midfield and 
forwards push up - good for swift attacks - but it means we are thin on the 
ground, and if we give it away the midfield has 15 metres to get back quickly, 
so if no one in defence holds them up…they’re in. Both those goals yesterday 
the Cardiff players had so much room, it was untrue.

But in fact, we are slightly closer to automatic promotion after that w/e, 
because the gap is the same but the number of games in less…silver linings.

Nick

> On 22 Jun 2020, at 17:01, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Miesler - 3Ayling - 3Dallas - 6Cooper - 4White -6Philips - 2Harrison - 
> 2Bamford - 2Roberts - 2 Costa - 2Klich - 3 
> 
> Meslier - bit unfair he had nothing to do and could do nothing on either 
> shot. Literally a passenger.
> Harrison - Yes he did hit the first man a few times but he also put in some 
> good balls in the right areas but Bamford is making weird runs or Roberts is 
> outside the box.
> Klich - He was poor...and got annoying as the game went on as he got pissy 
> rather than trying to turn the games around.
> Phillips - the hero-worship needs to stop. He is a good player, but 
> international midfielder? God no And once he lost the ball he just 
> strolled back.
> Pablo - had the worst game of all. WTF is he getting injured for. We missed 
> him badly.
> I think we just needed to play a bit quicker which we do when we are at our 
> best. It was all a bit lethargic. Cardiff just had to sit back really (but 
> even then we should have scored from Harrison if Bamford had not got in the 
> way.) I also think we should have had at least one penalty for the push on 
> Costa first-half. 
> Nick
>On Monday, June 22, 2020, 09:36:20 AM EDT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>  wrote:  
> 
> I was pretty disappointed with our performance and despite having our usual 
> 70% of possession I don't think we would have scored if we were still playing 
> now. All our forward players were powder puff:
> Bamford just continued where he left off, a player who plays on the periphery 
> of the game but when he does get involved he fucks up. He's now added 
> clearances for the opposition defence to his game. What a player. 
> Costa started on the wing again and he got into some good positions but his 
> final ball is non-existant and he looks like he's shooting through treacle. 
> He moved into the centre second half and again saw a lot of the ball but he 
> failed to do anything constructive with it. I keep saying to myself that he's 
> a good player and will come good eventually but maybe I'm wrong and he is 
> actually shit ? 
> Harrison - after listening to the Don Goodman banging on about how he's 
> impoved this season, Harrison treated us to a performance that was worse than 
> some of the drivel he served up last season. Time and time again his cross 
> never managed to beat the first blue shirt. Very frustrating. 
> Roberts - he's having a laugh. A couple of fancy foot juggles doesn't 
> represent a good performance. He never got a hold of the game and in the end 
> was just a passenger. I'd play him up front instead of Bamford and play Gotts 
> or Shack in midfield in the absence of Pablo. But that might not fit with 
> Bielsa's rigid master plan. 
> The others were equally poor with a special mention for Philips who looked 
> flat footed and clueless. His freekicks and corners were terrible and he 
> plodded around the pitch like he'd spent the last 3 months on his arse 
> watching Netflix. Maybe he has ? 
> The passing around the back is frustrating at the best of times but when it's 
> being done by players who are unable to pass a 10ft pass to  team mate 
> (Cooper) then it's gonna put you on the back foot. 
> Finally, the young keeper. He didn't have much to do other than pick the ball 
> out of the net twice but he's not inspiring me with confidence. 
> Got to do better next Sat  
> Miesler - 3Ayling - 3Dallas - 6Cooper - 4White -6Philips - 2Harrison - 
> 2Bamford - 2Roberts - 2 Costa - 2Klich - 3 
> 
> Subs: Can't remember a single contribution by any of them other than Allioski 
> shot into Row Z.  
> p.s. doesn't it piss you off to hear Don Goodman and Mick McCarthy bang on 
> about how good we are, how well we are playing and how unlucky we are. It's 
> nonsense. 
> 
> 
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/
> 
> RIP Norman MOT
> 
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> Find us on Facebook 

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Miesler - 3Ayling - 3Dallas - 6Cooper - 4White -6Philips - 2Harrison - 
2Bamford - 2Roberts - 2 Costa - 2Klich - 3 

Meslier - bit unfair he had nothing to do and could do nothing on either shot. 
Literally a passenger.
Harrison - Yes he did hit the first man a few times but he also put in some 
good balls in the right areas but Bamford is making weird runs or Roberts is 
outside the box.
Klich - He was poor...and got annoying as the game went on as he got pissy 
rather than trying to turn the games around.
Phillips - the hero-worship needs to stop. He is a good player, but 
international midfielder? God no And once he lost the ball he just strolled 
back.
Pablo - had the worst game of all. WTF is he getting injured for. We missed him 
badly.
I think we just needed to play a bit quicker which we do when we are at our 
best. It was all a bit lethargic. Cardiff just had to sit back really (but even 
then we should have scored from Harrison if Bamford had not got in the way.) I 
also think we should have had at least one penalty for the push on Costa 
first-half. 
Nick
On Monday, June 22, 2020, 09:36:20 AM EDT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 I was pretty disappointed with our performance and despite having our usual 
70% of possession I don't think we would have scored if we were still playing 
now. All our forward players were powder puff:
Bamford just continued where he left off, a player who plays on the periphery 
of the game but when he does get involved he fucks up. He's now added 
clearances for the opposition defence to his game. What a player. 
Costa started on the wing again and he got into some good positions but his 
final ball is non-existant and he looks like he's shooting through treacle. He 
moved into the centre second half and again saw a lot of the ball but he failed 
to do anything constructive with it. I keep saying to myself that he's a good 
player and will come good eventually but maybe I'm wrong and he is actually 
shit ? 
Harrison - after listening to the Don Goodman banging on about how he's impoved 
this season, Harrison treated us to a performance that was worse than some of 
the drivel he served up last season. Time and time again his cross never 
managed to beat the first blue shirt. Very frustrating. 
Roberts - he's having a laugh. A couple of fancy foot juggles doesn't represent 
a good performance. He never got a hold of the game and in the end was just a 
passenger. I'd play him up front instead of Bamford and play Gotts or Shack in 
midfield in the absence of Pablo. But that might not fit with Bielsa's rigid 
master plan. 
The others were equally poor with a special mention for Philips who looked flat 
footed and clueless. His freekicks and corners were terrible and he plodded 
around the pitch like he'd spent the last 3 months on his arse watching 
Netflix. Maybe he has ? 
The passing around the back is frustrating at the best of times but when it's 
being done by players who are unable to pass a 10ft pass to  team mate (Cooper) 
then it's gonna put you on the back foot. 
Finally, the young keeper. He didn't have much to do other than pick the ball 
out of the net twice but he's not inspiring me with confidence. 
Got to do better next Sat  
Miesler - 3Ayling - 3Dallas - 6Cooper - 4White -6Philips - 2Harrison - 2Bamford 
- 2Roberts - 2 Costa - 2Klich - 3 

Subs: Can't remember a single contribution by any of them other than Allioski 
shot into Row Z.  
p.s. doesn't it piss you off to hear Don Goodman and Mick McCarthy bang on 
about how good we are, how well we are playing and how unlucky we are. It's 
nonsense. 


___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

RIP Norman MOT
  
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

RIP Norman MOT

[LU] Cardiff

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

I was pretty disappointed with our performance and despite having our usual 70% 
of possession I don't think we would have scored if we were still playing now. 
All our forward players were powder puff:
Bamford just continued where he left off, a player who plays on the periphery 
of the game but when he does get involved he fucks up. He's now added 
clearances for the opposition defence to his game. What a player. 
Costa started on the wing again and he got into some good positions but his 
final ball is non-existant and he looks like he's shooting through treacle. He 
moved into the centre second half and again saw a lot of the ball but he failed 
to do anything constructive with it. I keep saying to myself that he's a good 
player and will come good eventually but maybe I'm wrong and he is actually 
shit ? 
Harrison - after listening to the Don Goodman banging on about how he's impoved 
this season, Harrison treated us to a performance that was worse than some of 
the drivel he served up last season. Time and time again his cross never 
managed to beat the first blue shirt. Very frustrating. 
Roberts - he's having a laugh. A couple of fancy foot juggles doesn't represent 
a good performance. He never got a hold of the game and in the end was just a 
passenger. I'd play him up front instead of Bamford and play Gotts or Shack in 
midfield in the absence of Pablo. But that might not fit with Bielsa's rigid 
master plan. 
The others were equally poor with a special mention for Philips who looked flat 
footed and clueless. His freekicks and corners were terrible and he plodded 
around the pitch like he'd spent the last 3 months on his arse watching 
Netflix. Maybe he has ? 
The passing around the back is frustrating at the best of times but when it's 
being done by players who are unable to pass a 10ft pass to  team mate (Cooper) 
then it's gonna put you on the back foot. 
Finally, the young keeper. He didn't have much to do other than pick the ball 
out of the net twice but he's not inspiring me with confidence. 
Got to do better next Sat  
Miesler - 3Ayling - 3Dallas - 6Cooper - 4White -6Philips - 2Harrison - 2Bamford 
- 2Roberts - 2 Costa - 2Klich - 3 

Subs: Can't remember a single contribution by any of them other than Allioski 
shot into Row Z.  
p.s. doesn't it piss you off to hear Don Goodman and Mick McCarthy bang on 
about how good we are, how well we are playing and how unlucky we are. It's 
nonsense. 


___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

RIP Norman MOT

Re: [LU] Cardiff - here we go again

[Jim Moran]

Like Sheffield United last year.

On Sun, 21 Jun 2020 at 14:13, John Lee via Leedslist 
wrote:

>
>
> The Fulham game is probably going to be season-defining
>
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

RIP Norman MOT

[LU] Cardiff - here we go again

[John Lee via Leedslist]

As if things haven’t been grim enough  Clearly I’d forgotten how this team can 
frustrate me! 

The positives: we look fit; lots of possession; ppromotion-wise we’re not 
really any worse off than yesterday
The negatives: never really looked like scoring (despite the stats); 2 sh*t 
defensive passes cost us 2 goals; Roberts - lightweight and ineffective; 
Bamford - awful first touch and jinxed by bad luck; Poveda - why?; all-round 
passing - sloppy as hell!

The Fulham game is probably going to be season-defining.



___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

RIP Norman MOT

Re: [LU] Cardiff Review of us

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Yeah sorry I forgot that links can't be sent. It is a video on their 
equivalent of LUTV (SSTV). Quite complimentary actually
Nick
On Thursday, June 18, 2020, 04:00:19 AM EDT, Richard Naef 
 wrote:  
 
 Sorry Nick, I don't speak Welsh, is there a translation? 

Sent from my Mobile. 
From: Leedslist  on behalf of Nicholas Armit via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:25:48 PM
To: leeds list 
Subject: [LU] Cardiff Review of us Cardiff

| 
| 
| 
|  |  |

 |

 |
| 
|  | 
Cardiff


 |

 |

 |




___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

RIP Norman MOT
  
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

RIP Norman MOT

Re: [LU] Cardiff Review of us

[Richard Naef]

Sorry Nick, I don't speak Welsh, is there a translation?

Sent from my Mobile.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Nicholas Armit via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 2:25:48 PM
To: leeds list 
Subject: [LU] Cardiff Review of us

Cardiff

|
|
|
|  |  |

 |

 |
|
|  |
Cardiff


 |

 |

 |




___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

RIP Norman MOT
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

RIP Norman MOT

[LU] Cardiff Review of us

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

Cardiff

| 
| 
| 
|  |  |

 |

 |
| 
|  | 
Cardiff


 |

 |

 |




___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

RIP Norman MOT

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Ian Murray]

Those weekends seem to happen to us with alarming regularity.

From: Leedslist  on behalf of Nick Allen 

Sent: Sunday, 15 December 2019 4:37 AM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] Cardiff

That was absolutely mad, no idea where their goals came from. But don’t panic...

And some dreadful refereeing...we lost out on lots of small stuff but gained a 
penalty and sending off. Go figure.

One of those weekends.

Nick

Sent from my iPad
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

RIP Jimmy WAC-COE
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

RIP Jimmy WAC-COE

[LU] Cardiff

[nat...@sky.com]

WTF , I mean WTF , I have watched Leeds in over 1000 games in over 40 years but 
this had got to be one of the hardest to explain 
We were on the front foot from the off but  very early on they got  a corner , 
in the past we were scared by this but recently as my lad pointed out  " we are 
 more likely to score from this than you " 30 seconds later his half joke came 
true as we turned defence into attack. The ball came to Panlo and he put a 
lovely ball through to Costa and,  bang 1-0
Minutes later a cross into the box came to Bamford who took his time, took it 
on his chest and fired home. 2 up and less than 10 minutes gone
We all felt that was game over but agreed we needed another before we could 
start to really enjoy it. We continued to play great stuff in an effort to get 
that 3rd but they did miss a chance just before half time 
I went to Fanzone for a half time pint and we all agreed we were hammering an 
awful team, a slight bit of  concern over how it would go if they pulled one 
back but  basically 100% confidence
Things got even better when the ref seemed to favour us with a decision when a 
great ball by klich found Bamford who was fouled and ref gave a penalty  - 
Bamford duly obliged and so 3 up and game over
Then from nowhere Cardiif got a goal , not too sure how but ball came to one of 
theirs who lobbed it in. Seemed both a fluke and inconsequential.  We continued 
to rip them apart  and create chances,  surely only a matter of time before we 
got a 4th. 
Then a cross from nowhere was headed in 3 2 but jo need to worry.  A diving 
tackle on the recently introduced Eddie got a red and extinguished all nerves 3 
2 up, in total control and thrm down to ten.What could go wrong ?
Fuck,this is Leeds United,  if it can ho wrong it will - was down the other end 
so not sure who, how or why but suddenly again against the run of play the ball 
was in our net
We still had a chance to win it as eddies shot fell to white and he contrived 
to miss from a yard out
Amazing  - they had 3 shots and scored 3goals. Our impenetrable defence  
breached 3 times by a terrible team who did nothing to earn it
Then we found out Fulhan and Forest had both lost so apart from Preston we had 
gained a point on our rivals ( at least for second spot)
We need to put this result to one side and concentrate on how well we actually 
played and make sure complacency foes not cost us points
Like I say this game can be summed up in 3 letters WTF
Dave 



___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

RIP Jimmy WAC-COE

[LU] Cardiff

[Nick Allen]

That was absolutely mad, no idea where their goals came from. But don’t panic...

And some dreadful refereeing...we lost out on lots of small stuff but gained a 
penalty and sending off. Go figure.

One of those weekends. 

Nick

Sent from my iPad
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

RIP Jimmy WAC-COE

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

 On replays it seemed that their defender got to Alioskis shot just as he was 
hitting it so took the pace and direction off it.
And noone mentioned Bamba's tackle on Alioski. I think anywhere on the pitch 
that is a possible red. Yes he got the ball but he definitely took out Alioski 
at the same time with his foot at least two feet in the air.
Nick
On Saturday, February 3, 2018, 5:35:20 PM EST, Simon McNally 
 wrote:  
 
 Can’t add much to that. De Bock was poor for their second goal but apart from 
that thought he looked ok. 
For me Pennington was our man of the match with Forshaw a close second - shows 
what signing players with experience of the division can do.
Apart from that utter rubbish. Before kick off I thought we’d lose 2 or 3 nil, 
after the first 10 I thought at least 4 nil.
We simply can’t cope with physical teams. I don’t understand a recruitment 
process that involves signing predominantly small players. Apart from the 
centre backs only Lasogga offers anything in the air. It makes us too easy to 
defend against from set pieces and puts us under pressure every time we defend 
a set piece. 
The ref will take a lot of heat but he doesn’t make Lasogga miss an open goal 
from 5 yards or Alioski scuff a shot from 5 yards either or make Berardi , 
already on a yellow , lunge stupidly at the ball.
I’ve had enough of Roofe. Did a Roofe watch today after thinking I was maybe 
being too harsh on him as others think he’s ok. I kept a count of how many 
times he did something good versus something bad. When I gave up second half , 
bad was winning 8-3. He can’t control the ball, make simple sense passes or 
stop falling over. Pinching a living.
While I think there are serious holes in the squad (centre back for one), this 
squad is better than they’ve performed and for that TC has to take full 
responsibility. Taking Lasogga off for Sakho was ridiculous - how Roofe stayed 
on I don’t know. Him and Alioski were rubbish again.
This season has gone, another one wasted after a good start.
Pissed off

S

Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Feb 2018, at 19:29, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> Another red card, another defeat and another nail in TC's coffin as the 
> season slips away.
> Today's first half was just not good enough. It was clear that Cardiff's team 
> of 6 foot 3" giants had one thing in mind. Pressure through set pieces and 
> long throws. How did we set out to defend against that ? Zonal marking with 
> Pontus trying to get to every ball. This left Bamba and a couple of other 
> giants unmarked in the box and it was more by good luck that we weren't one 
> down after the first corner as the ball went over when it seemed easier to 
> score. A few minutes later though the inevitable happened when the ball broke 
> loose on the left and an easy cross from the left found a Cardiff giant 
> unmarked at the back post to nod home. Were was the marking ? De Bock ? 
> Pennington ? Where was the keeper ? He was firmly rooted to his line and 
> games like this against typical, strong championship teams only emphasise how 
> unequipped continental players like Wieldwald and De Bock are for the 
> Championship. 
> Then came the second, another long ball over the top. Pennington dithered 
> allowing the Cardiff player free to run on and cross low into the box. It 
> shouldn't have been a difficult ball to defend but De Bock went to sleep and 
> didn't see the blue shirt on his shoulder who nipped in at the far post to 
> put the ball home. Poor, poor defending from De Bock who to me looks big, 
> static and not up to the job. 
> The third came after the worst moment of the game for us. The ref decided to 
> book players early in a physical match and that meant players had to be 
> aware. Beradi on a yellow and now playing at centre back after Pontus had 
> been stretchered off, decided unnecessarily to lunge at the ball in a 
> position which wasn't dangerous to us. If I'm being generous I'd say he was a 
> tad unlucky and the boy Madine made a real meal of it, rolling around as if 
> he'd ben shot. If I'm being realistic I'd say Beradi is a brainless twat 
> whose reputation seems to have gone to his head. Too many red cards and 
> reckless challenges. Playing the hard man is great but when it's costing us 
> games then I think the fans have to reassess his hero status. I'd actually 
> say, he ain't that good. On display of the red card, Madine jumped up and ran 
> towards the Leeds box for the free-kick. Beradi saw red and wanted to chin 
> him and headed towards him. I think it would have been a good scrap, the 
> stocky bull against the 6 ft 3 Madine. I think Beradi would have flattened 
> him, luckily Pennington intervened and Beradi was shown the tunnel.
> From the resulting free-kick it was obvious we hadn't got a plan on to the 
> pitch and a Cardiff player (Morrison) had anotehr free header to put Cardiff 
> 3-0 

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

 Some responses fro me:

do exempt Forshaw from criticism, he battled hard and looked to be a good 
acquisition   
   - Totally agree he looks a good skillful player. Good buy.

BUT it was final proof that Roofe will never make it at this level , no doubt 
he will score 20 goals in each of the next few seasons but only if he drops 
down a Division or probably two.    
   - I have been asking all season that he be played as a striker where he 
played in League 1. However, he obviously cannot hack up top on his own. 
Disappointing really.
Alioski is nowhere near good enough   
   - He is probably the biggest disappointment for me. I do credit his work 
rate though, he worked his bollocks off today and at least seemed to be pissed 
we were losing. But he doesn't seem skillful enough, is not fast enough and not 
physically strong enough against championship players. Bit like Roofe really.
Hernandez is past it   
   - Feel this way too. He has not stepped up in Saiz's absence and he is a 
liability defensively. Looks pretty at times but pretty ineffective most of the 
other time.

Felix will never make it in England   
   - Feel this may be a bit harsh. Don't really think there was anything he 
could have done today and he was our best player against Hull.

Lassogga could score goals but not when we do not play to his strengths and 
finally   
   - Again agree get him the ball around the 18 and in the box think he will 
score.

Vieirra may be the best young prospect we have had since Cook BUT he needs to 
be much much more consistent 
   
   - Has been disappointing this season. What happened to the Vierra of the 
Derby game last year?

Nick
On Saturday, February 3, 2018, 5:14:09 PM EST, nat...@sky.com 
 wrote:  
 
 Well that was as poor as it gets and it is season over -there is no coming 
back from this one.For the second home game on the trot we conceded four goals, 
for what feels like the fourth game on the trot we had a player taken off with 
a bad injury, and for what feels like five out of six games we ended the game 
with ten men.The highlight of the game for me was a steward throwing me a 
packet of extra strong mints - yes it really was that bad with no redeeming 
features at allThe big questions now are, who is to blame and, where do we go 
from here - the answer to both these questions is "I have no idea"In the pub , 
pre game we talked about the new shirt badge, the under 23 purchases and when 
we discussed the Cardiff game we all agreed that TC giving it out with his pre 
match excuse that they were a big side with lots of tall players. Oh shit we 
said he has put the fear of god up our own team and set them up to be bullied, 
and so it proved as from first to almost last we were battered and knocked 
around. They could have scored with the first free kick into our box and from 
then on we struggled massively at all set pieces as our static keeper and pint 
sized defenders failed to get to grips with themI can't be bothered to go 
through the goals but the game was soon out of reach as we went in 3 down and 
down to ten men - no chance here of a Millwall type near 'victory from the jaws 
of defeat'It was almost fitting that our goal came from ex favourite Sol Bamba 
as he turned a half decent cross into his own net- the highlight of our 
attacking play. This apart we had one decent shot from Lassogga that was well 
saved and his other shot came thundering off the bar only for Alioski to miss 
when it was the proverbial 'easier to score' chanceWe really were awful and 
nothing  the players or manager did made any real sense - bad positioning, bad 
passing , bad control, bad decision making and bad substituions I did stay to 
the final whistle but I was in a minority and I suspect a decent sized number 
will not be returning for the next home game as this game and the whole season 
went up in smoke - all our early hopes dreams and expectations came crashing 
down againI do excempt Forshaw from criticism, he battled hard and looked to be 
a good acquisition BUT it was final proof that Roofe will never make it at this 
level , no doubt he will score 20 goals in each of the next few seasons but 
only if he drops down a Division or probably two. Alioski is nowhere near good 
enough, Hernandez is past it, Felix will never make it in England and we cannot 
afford to play with ten men v eleven. Lassogga could score goals but not when 
we do not play to his strengths and finally , Vieirra may be the best young 
prospect we have had since Cook BUT he needs to be much much more consistent So 
to sum up - this was a dreadful performance from start to finish and was, in 
effect, the end of the season for us - the play offs are just a dream now.Can 
TC do it ? I am not sure, should we sack him ? I am not in favour of chopping 
and changing but I really cannot see him offering us anythingVery disappointed 
and disillusionedDave
___
Leedslist 

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Simon McNally]

Can’t add much to that. De Bock was poor for their second goal but apart from 
that thought he looked ok. 
For me Pennington was our man of the match with Forshaw a close second - shows 
what signing players with experience of the division can do.
Apart from that utter rubbish. Before kick off I thought we’d lose 2 or 3 nil, 
after the first 10 I thought at least 4 nil.
We simply can’t cope with physical teams. I don’t understand a recruitment 
process that involves signing predominantly small players. Apart from the 
centre backs only Lasogga offers anything in the air. It makes us too easy to 
defend against from set pieces and puts us under pressure every time we defend 
a set piece. 
The ref will take a lot of heat but he doesn’t make Lasogga miss an open goal 
from 5 yards or Alioski scuff a shot from 5 yards either or make Berardi , 
already on a yellow , lunge stupidly at the ball.
I’ve had enough of Roofe. Did a Roofe watch today after thinking I was maybe 
being too harsh on him as others think he’s ok. I kept a count of how many 
times he did something good versus something bad. When I gave up second half , 
bad was winning 8-3. He can’t control the ball, make simple sense passes or 
stop falling over. Pinching a living.
While I think there are serious holes in the squad (centre back for one), this 
squad is better than they’ve performed and for that TC has to take full 
responsibility. Taking Lasogga off for Sakho was ridiculous - how Roofe stayed 
on I don’t know. Him and Alioski were rubbish again.
This season has gone, another one wasted after a good start.
Pissed off

S

Sent from my iPhone

> On 3 Feb 2018, at 19:29, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> Another red card, another defeat and another nail in TC's coffin as the 
> season slips away.
> Today's first half was just not good enough. It was clear that Cardiff's team 
> of 6 foot 3" giants had one thing in mind. Pressure through set pieces and 
> long throws. How did we set out to defend against that ? Zonal marking with 
> Pontus trying to get to every ball. This left Bamba and a couple of other 
> giants unmarked in the box and it was more by good luck that we weren't one 
> down after the first corner as the ball went over when it seemed easier to 
> score. A few minutes later though the inevitable happened when the ball broke 
> loose on the left and an easy cross from the left found a Cardiff giant 
> unmarked at the back post to nod home. Were was the marking ? De Bock ? 
> Pennington ? Where was the keeper ? He was firmly rooted to his line and 
> games like this against typical, strong championship teams only emphasise how 
> unequipped continental players like Wieldwald and De Bock are for the 
> Championship. 
> Then came the second, another long ball over the top. Pennington dithered 
> allowing the Cardiff player free to run on and cross low into the box. It 
> shouldn't have been a difficult ball to defend but De Bock went to sleep and 
> didn't see the blue shirt on his shoulder who nipped in at the far post to 
> put the ball home. Poor, poor defending from De Bock who to me looks big, 
> static and not up to the job. 
> The third came after the worst moment of the game for us. The ref decided to 
> book players early in a physical match and that meant players had to be 
> aware. Beradi on a yellow and now playing at centre back after Pontus had 
> been stretchered off, decided unnecessarily to lunge at the ball in a 
> position which wasn't dangerous to us. If I'm being generous I'd say he was a 
> tad unlucky and the boy Madine made a real meal of it, rolling around as if 
> he'd ben shot. If I'm being realistic I'd say Beradi is a brainless twat 
> whose reputation seems to have gone to his head. Too many red cards and 
> reckless challenges. Playing the hard man is great but when it's costing us 
> games then I think the fans have to reassess his hero status. I'd actually 
> say, he ain't that good. On display of the red card, Madine jumped up and ran 
> towards the Leeds box for the free-kick. Beradi saw red and wanted to chin 
> him and headed towards him. I think it would have been a good scrap, the 
> stocky bull against the 6 ft 3 Madine. I think Beradi would have flattened 
> him, luckily Pennington intervened and Beradi was shown the tunnel.
> From the resulting free-kick it was obvious we hadn't got a plan on to the 
> pitch and a Cardiff player (Morrison) had anotehr free header to put Cardiff 
> 3-0 ahead at the break. 
> It wasn't all one way traffic in the first half and if there's one thing 
> about Cardiff they sit back and let you attack so we had lots of the ball in 
> midfield and as a result created some good chances. Lasogga had a great right 
> foot long distance effort parried onto the post by the Cardiff keeper - 
> unlucky and then the chance of the game as Lasogga headed against the bar 
> unmarked from 5 yards. The rebound came to 

[LU] Cardiff

[nat...@sky.com]

Well that was as poor as it gets and it is season over -there is no coming back 
from this one.For the second home game on the trot we conceded four goals, for 
what feels like the fourth game on the trot we had a player taken off with a 
bad injury, and for what feels like five out of six games we ended the game 
with ten men.The highlight of the game for me was a steward throwing me a 
packet of extra strong mints - yes it really was that bad with no redeeming 
features at allThe big questions now are, who is to blame and, where do we go 
from here - the answer to both these questions is "I have no idea"In the pub , 
pre game we talked about the new shirt badge, the under 23 purchases and when 
we discussed the Cardiff game we all agreed that TC giving it out with his pre 
match excuse that they were a big side with lots of tall players. Oh shit we 
said he has put the fear of god up our own team and set them up to be bullied, 
and so it proved as from first to almost last we were battered and knocked 
around. They could have scored with the first free kick into our box and from 
then on we struggled massively at all set pieces as our static keeper and pint 
sized defenders failed to get to grips with themI can't be bothered to go 
through the goals but the game was soon out of reach as we went in 3 down and 
down to ten men - no chance here of a Millwall type near 'victory from the jaws 
of defeat'It was almost fitting that our goal came from ex favourite Sol Bamba 
as he turned a half decent cross into his own net- the highlight of our 
attacking play. This apart we had one decent shot from Lassogga that was well 
saved and his other shot came thundering off the bar only for Alioski to miss 
when it was the proverbial 'easier to score' chanceWe really were awful and 
nothing  the players or manager did made any real sense - bad positioning, bad 
passing , bad control, bad decision making and bad substituions I did stay to 
the final whistle but I was in a minority and I suspect a decent sized number 
will not be returning for the next home game as this game and the whole season 
went up in smoke - all our early hopes dreams and expectations came crashing 
down againI do excempt Forshaw from criticism, he battled hard and looked to be 
a good acquisition BUT it was final proof that Roofe will never make it at this 
level , no doubt he will score 20 goals in each of the next few seasons but 
only if he drops down a Division or probably two. Alioski is nowhere near good 
enough, Hernandez is past it, Felix will never make it in England and we cannot 
afford to play with ten men v eleven. Lassogga could score goals but not when 
we do not play to his strengths and finally , Vieirra may be the best young 
prospect we have had since Cook BUT he needs to be much much more consistent So 
to sum up - this was a dreadful performance from start to finish and was, in 
effect, the end of the season for us - the play offs are just a dream now.Can 
TC do it ? I am not sure, should we sack him ? I am not in favour of chopping 
and changing but I really cannot see him offering us anythingVery disappointed 
and disillusionedDave
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/

RIP Jimmy WAC-COE

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Yep that all makes sense especially the bit about the FA Cup. We've got history 
with this but we never seem to learn.



> On 3 Feb 2018, at 19:56, seanscr...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Some of the blame being heaped on TC (not just by you, Rich) s a bit harsh. 
> He hasn't had his first XI ever available this season, and he can't buy a 
> decent piece of game-changing luck. He also doesn't buy the players. As I've 
> said before, we lost our entire spine over the summer and replaced them with 
> players who aren't as good. We shouldn't be surprised that our results are 
> therefore not as good. That's on Orta and Radz, not TC. I thought the two key 
> moments that turned the game today were, first, Bamba stepping (stamping? It 
> was hard to tell on TV) on Pontus. On another day, that might have been a 
> straight red for their best defender, and a penalty for us. Instead, we lost 
> our best defender and most significant aerial threat in a game against a team 
> of relative giants. The second turning point was Grujic's assault on Dallas, 
> which should have been a straight red but for which the ref didn't even give 
> a yellow. At 3-1 down, but with plenty of time left and 10 versus 10 we could 
> h
 ave given it a shot. 
> 
> I continue to believe we lack a dominant midfielder, the sort who breaks up 
> the opposition's play, wins the ball and feeds it to Alioski/Hernandez/Saiz, 
> who then get down the wings cut it back for Lasogga. It was also a disastrous 
> decision not to sign a central defender for the first team during the winter 
> break. 
> 
> Looking back at our season, we will see that the decision to field a 
> second-string team against Newport in the Cup, and (particularly) to put a 
> bunch of kids plus Saiz on the bench was the turning point of the season. 
> Instead of putting most of the first XI out and getting a comfortable win, we 
> were hanging on with 15 minutes to go. TC had put a bunch of kids plus Saiz 
> on the bench. Needing to lock the game down, he clearly didn't trust the kids 
> (so why have them on the bench?!?), so put on a temperamental attacker. We 
> all know what happened next.
> 
> Four games into Saiz' ban, we have picked up one point.
> 
> Oh well, at least with all those superkids signed from Barca, Real Madrid, 
> Ajax and Benfica the Under-23s are sweeping their lea... wait, what? H...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: {broken-address} Richard Walker 
> <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>
> To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> Sent: Sat, Feb 3, 2018 2:29 pm
> Subject: [LU] Cardiff
> 
> Another red card, another defeat and another nail in TC's coffin as the 
> season slips away. Today's first half was just not good enough. It was clear 
> that Cardiff's team of 6 foot 3" giants had one thing in mind. Pressure 
> through set pieces and long throws. How did we set out to defend against that 
> ? Zonal marking with Pontus trying to get to every ball. This left Bamba and 
> a couple of other giants unmarked in the box and it was more by good luck 
> that we weren't one down after the first corner as the ball went over when it 
> seemed easier to score. A few minutes later though the inevitable happened 
> when the ball broke loose on the left and an easy cross from the left found a 
> Cardiff giant unmarked at the back post to nod home. Were was the marking ? 
> De Bock ? Pennington ? Where was the keeper ? He was firmly rooted to his 
> line and games like this against typical, strong championship teams only 
> emphasise how unequipped continental players like Wieldwald and De Bock are 
> for the Champion
 ship.  Then came the second, another long ball over the top. Pennington 
dithered allowing the Cardiff player free to run on and cross low into the box. 
It shouldn't have been a difficult ball to defend but De Bock went to sleep and 
didn't see the blue shirt on his shoulder who nipped in at the far post to put 
the ball home. Poor, poor defending from De Bock who to me looks big, static 
and not up to the job.  The third came after the worst moment of the game for 
us. The ref decided to book players early in a physical match and that meant 
players had to be aware. Beradi on a yellow and now playing at centre back 
after Pontus had been stretchered off, decided unnecessarily to lunge at the 
ball in a position which wasn't dangerous to us. If I'm being generous I'd say 
he was a tad unlucky and the boy Madine made a real meal of it, rolling around 
as if he'd ben shot. If I'm being realistic I'd say Beradi is a brainless twat 
whose reputation seems to have gone to his head. Too many red car
 ds and reckless challenges. Playing the hard man is great but when it's 
costing us games then I think the fans have to reassess his hero sta

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[{broken-address}]

Some of the blame being heaped on TC (not just by you, Rich) s a bit harsh. He 
hasn't had his first XI ever available this season, and he can't buy a decent 
piece of game-changing luck. He also doesn't buy the players. As I've said 
before, we lost our entire spine over the summer and replaced them with players 
who aren't as good. We shouldn't be surprised that our results are therefore 
not as good. That's on Orta and Radz, not TC. I thought the two key moments 
that turned the game today were, first, Bamba stepping (stamping? It was hard 
to tell on TV) on Pontus. On another day, that might have been a straight red 
for their best defender, and a penalty for us. Instead, we lost our best 
defender and most significant aerial threat in a game against a team of 
relative giants. The second turning point was Grujic's assault on Dallas, which 
should have been a straight red but for which the ref didn't even give a 
yellow. At 3-1 down, but with plenty of time left and 10 versus 10 we could hav
 e given it a shot. 


I continue to believe we lack a dominant midfielder, the sort who breaks up the 
opposition's play, wins the ball and feeds it to Alioski/Hernandez/Saiz, who 
then get down the wings cut it back for Lasogga. It was also a disastrous 
decision not to sign a central defender for the first team during the winter 
break. 


Looking back at our season, we will see that the decision to field a 
second-string team against Newport in the Cup, and (particularly) to put a 
bunch of kids plus Saiz on the bench was the turning point of the season. 
Instead of putting most of the first XI out and getting a comfortable win, we 
were hanging on with 15 minutes to go. TC had put a bunch of kids plus Saiz on 
the bench. Needing to lock the game down, he clearly didn't trust the kids (so 
why have them on the bench?!?), so put on a temperamental attacker. We all know 
what happened next.


Four games into Saiz' ban, we have picked up one point.


Oh well, at least with all those superkids signed from Barca, Real Madrid, Ajax 
and Benfica the Under-23s are sweeping their lea... wait, what? H...






-Original Message-
From: {broken-address} Richard Walker 
<richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>
To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 3, 2018 2:29 pm
Subject: [LU] Cardiff

Another red card, another defeat and another nail in TC's coffin as the season 
slips away.Today's first half was just not good enough. It was clear that 
Cardiff's team of 6 foot 3" giants had one thing in mind. Pressure through set 
pieces and long throws. How did we set out to defend against that ? Zonal 
marking with Pontus trying to get to every ball. This left Bamba and a couple 
of other giants unmarked in the box and it was more by good luck that we 
weren't one down after the first corner as the ball went over when it seemed 
easier to score. A few minutes later though the inevitable happened when the 
ball broke loose on the left and an easy cross from the left found a Cardiff 
giant unmarked at the back post to nod home. Were was the marking ? De Bock ? 
Pennington ? Where was the keeper ? He was firmly rooted to his line and games 
like this against typical, strong championship teams only emphasise how 
unequipped continental players like Wieldwald and De Bock are for the 
Championshi
 p. Then came the second, another long ball over the top. Pennington dithered 
allowing the Cardiff player free to run on and cross low into the box. It 
shouldn't have been a difficult ball to defend but De Bock went to sleep and 
didn't see the blue shirt on his shoulder who nipped in at the far post to put 
the ball home. Poor, poor defending from De Bock who to me looks big, static 
and not up to the job. The third came after the worst moment of the game for 
us. The ref decided to book players early in a physical match and that meant 
players had to be aware. Beradi on a yellow and now playing at centre back 
after Pontus had been stretchered off, decided unnecessarily to lunge at the 
ball in a position which wasn't dangerous to us. If I'm being generous I'd say 
he was a tad unlucky and the boy Madine made a real meal of it, rolling around 
as if he'd ben shot. If I'm being realistic I'd say Beradi is a brainless twat 
whose reputation seems to have gone to his head. Too many red cards an
 d reckless challenges. Playing the hard man is great but when it's costing us 
games then I think the fans have to reassess his hero status. I'd actually say, 
he ain't that good. On display of the red card, Madine jumped up and ran 
towards the Leeds box for the free-kick. Beradi saw red and wanted to chin him 
and headed towards him. I think it would have been a good scrap, the stocky 
bull against the 6 ft 3 Madine. I think Beradi would have flattened him, 
luckily Pennington intervened and Beradi was shown the tunnel.From the 
resulting free-kick it was obvious we hadn't got a plan on to the pitch and 

[LU] Cardiff

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Another red card, another defeat and another nail in TC's coffin as the season 
slips away.
Today's first half was just not good enough. It was clear that Cardiff's team 
of 6 foot 3" giants had one thing in mind. Pressure through set pieces and long 
throws. How did we set out to defend against that ? Zonal marking with Pontus 
trying to get to every ball. This left Bamba and a couple of other giants 
unmarked in the box and it was more by good luck that we weren't one down after 
the first corner as the ball went over when it seemed easier to score. A few 
minutes later though the inevitable happened when the ball broke loose on the 
left and an easy cross from the left found a Cardiff giant unmarked at the back 
post to nod home. Were was the marking ? De Bock ? Pennington ? Where was the 
keeper ? He was firmly rooted to his line and games like this against typical, 
strong championship teams only emphasise how unequipped continental players 
like Wieldwald and De Bock are for the Championship. 
Then came the second, another long ball over the top. Pennington dithered 
allowing the Cardiff player free to run on and cross low into the box. It 
shouldn't have been a difficult ball to defend but De Bock went to sleep and 
didn't see the blue shirt on his shoulder who nipped in at the far post to put 
the ball home. Poor, poor defending from De Bock who to me looks big, static 
and not up to the job. 
The third came after the worst moment of the game for us. The ref decided to 
book players early in a physical match and that meant players had to be aware. 
Beradi on a yellow and now playing at centre back after Pontus had been 
stretchered off, decided unnecessarily to lunge at the ball in a position which 
wasn't dangerous to us. If I'm being generous I'd say he was a tad unlucky and 
the boy Madine made a real meal of it, rolling around as if he'd ben shot. If 
I'm being realistic I'd say Beradi is a brainless twat whose reputation seems 
to have gone to his head. Too many red cards and reckless challenges. Playing 
the hard man is great but when it's costing us games then I think the fans have 
to reassess his hero status. I'd actually say, he ain't that good. On display 
of the red card, Madine jumped up and ran towards the Leeds box for the 
free-kick. Beradi saw red and wanted to chin him and headed towards him. I 
think it would have been a good scrap, the stocky bull against the 6 ft 3 
Madine. I think Beradi would have flattened him, luckily Pennington intervened 
and Beradi was shown the tunnel.
From the resulting free-kick it was obvious we hadn't got a plan on to the 
pitch and a Cardiff player (Morrison) had anotehr free header to put Cardiff 
3-0 ahead at the break. 
It wasn't all one way traffic in the first half and if there's one thing about 
Cardiff they sit back and let you attack so we had lots of the ball in midfield 
and as a result created some good chances. Lasogga had a great right foot long 
distance effort parried onto the post by the Cardiff keeper - unlucky and then 
the chance of the game as Lasogga headed against the bar unmarked from 5 yards. 
The rebound came to the hapless Allioski who missed from 5 yards. Good save 
from the keeper but both Lasogga's header and Allioski's shot should have ended 
up in the net. That's the second glaring miss from Allioski in as many games. 
I have to admit, I nearly left at half-time. I've only done that once before 
and that was at a friendly in Dublin against Liverpool. Glad I stayed because 
at least we put up a fight in the second half but you have to question why it 
took a bollocking at half-time for some players to realise that they had to put 
themselves on the line or was it that Cardiff just took it easy in the second 
half. They certainly took their foot off the gas. 
Dallas came on and played as a right winger, De Bock moved into centre back 
position alongside Pennington and actually looked more comfortable although as 
I say, Cardiff had got their slippers and dressing gowns on by then. 
Hernandez was busy as always and he pushed forward and we began to cause them 
problems. Roofe ran hard but to no great affect and Allioski actually started 
to cause one or two problems. I think it was Dallas who got down the wing, 
crossed low and with Roofe running in at the back post, Bamba tried to 
intercept but ending up poking it into his own net. I think he was feeling 
sorry for us. 
It raised our tempo and there was a belief that we could get back into it and 
we continued to cause them half problems from good tempo and effort. Pennington 
looked a different player and he was driving us forward from the back. Why did 
it take us so long to start looking like a team ? 
It wasn't nearly enough though and at times we struggled through players 
failing to control simple balls - Roofe and Lasogga being the main culprits. If 
there was ever a game which highlighted Kemar Roofe's deficiencies and 
weaknesses this was it. Yes he ran round 

Re: [LU] Cardiff - Hands up who didn't see that coming?

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

Didn't see much if it as at work but I thought the ref first 20 let a lot go. 
Was confident until Kilch’s mistake. Then had to work...maybe best thing.

God I hate Warnock.

Nick

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 26, 2017, at 6:05 PM, {broken-address} 
>  wrote:
> 
> Still work in progress re what our best line up looks like, but I thought TC 
> bottled it at 2-0 - he should have brought on Saiz and Lasogga and gone for 
> it. Whilst Roofe got a goal, how was him leading the line the right decision? 
> As for Cooper, that was a bad game to do something as monumentally amateurish 
> as that! Brought last season flooding back. Shame for Klich with his stumble, 
> cos he did ok generally, but that result sticks in my craw, especially with 
> the pantomime dame as their manager.
> 
> Did I not like that? No, I f*cking didn't. 
> 
> Grump
> 87
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 26 Sep 2017, at 21:53, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> still think we had the players in the squad to come here and win. 
>> TC has to take the blame for this one. 
>>   On Tuesday, 26 September 2017, 21:51:30 BST, David Smail 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>> I had a bad a bad feeling about this one.
>> 
>> It gives TC something to think about I suppose. It may help to maketh the
>> man and the team. 
>> 
>> No complaints - they were better than us, deserved the win,  easily,  and we
>> couldn't adapt. 
>> 
>> Taken on the chin!
>> 
>> Onwards and upwards. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> Leedslist mailing list
>> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
>> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>> 
>> 
>> FLAME WARS 'R US
>> 
>> ___
>> Leedslist mailing list
>> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
>> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>> 
>> 
>> FLAME WARS 'R US
> 
> 
> .
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> 
> FLAME WARS 'R US

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


FLAME WARS 'R US

Re: [LU] Cardiff - Hands up who didn't see that coming?

[{broken-address}]

Still work in progress re what our best line up looks like, but I thought TC 
bottled it at 2-0 - he should have brought on Saiz and Lasogga and gone for it. 
Whilst Roofe got a goal, how was him leading the line the right decision? As 
for Cooper, that was a bad game to do something as monumentally amateurish as 
that! Brought last season flooding back. Shame for Klich with his stumble, cos 
he did ok generally, but that result sticks in my craw, especially with the 
pantomime dame as their manager.

Did I not like that? No, I f*cking didn't. 

Grump
87

Sent from my iPad

> On 26 Sep 2017, at 21:53, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> still think we had the players in the squad to come here and win. 
> TC has to take the blame for this one. 
>On Tuesday, 26 September 2017, 21:51:30 BST, David Smail 
>  wrote:  
> 
> I had a bad a bad feeling about this one.
> 
> It gives TC something to think about I suppose. It may help to maketh the
> man and the team. 
> 
> No complaints - they were better than us, deserved the win,  easily,  and we
> couldn't adapt. 
> 
> Taken on the chin!
> 
> Onwards and upwards. 
> 
> 
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> 
> FLAME WARS 'R US
> 
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> 
> FLAME WARS 'R US


.
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


FLAME WARS 'R US

Re: [LU] Cardiff - Hands up who didn't see that coming?

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

 still think we had the players in the squad to come here and win. 
TC has to take the blame for this one. 
On Tuesday, 26 September 2017, 21:51:30 BST, David Smail 
 wrote:  
 
 I had a bad a bad feeling about this one.

It gives TC something to think about I suppose. It may help to maketh the
man and the team. 

No complaints - they were better than us, deserved the win,  easily,  and we
couldn't adapt. 

Taken on the chin!

Onwards and upwards. 

 

Dave

 

 

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


FLAME WARS 'R US
  
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


FLAME WARS 'R US

[LU] Cardiff - Hands up who didn't see that coming?

[David Smail]

I had a bad a bad feeling about this one.

It gives TC something to think about I suppose. It may help to maketh the
man and the team. 

No complaints - they were better than us, deserved the win,  easily,  and we
couldn't adapt. 

Taken on the chin!

Onwards and upwards. 

 

Dave

 

 

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


FLAME WARS 'R US

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[David W]

I was about to suggest the Sports Bar on Haymarket - not the most
charismatic of locations but generally reliable with loads of screens.

Remember watching a few of our Champions League matches there many moons
ago.

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Ted <tedhea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just been told by one of his mates that The Waterloo isn't showing it
> but *Riley's
> Sports Bar*, 80 Haymarket, SW1 4TE is definitely showing it.
>
> On 26 September 2017 at 15:40, Ted <tedhea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You could give this pub in Waterloo a ring - I know the Landlord is a
> > Leeds fan (was up in Leeds at the weekend to watch us)
> >
> > The Wellington Hotel
> > 81-83 Waterloo Road
> > Waterloo
> > London
> > SE1 8UD
> > Tel: 020 7928 6083
> >
> >
> > On 26 September 2017 at 15:07, {broken-address} Graham White <
> > gcwhite2...@yahoo.com-is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Trouble is that both Liverpool and Man City are playing in the Champs
> >> League tonight, so bars with multiple screens are showing both those
> games.
> >>
> >> I do have one possible long shot, so perhaps.
> >>
> >> Graham
> >> 
> >> On Tuesday, 26 September 2017, 10:58:36 CEST, Nigel Sykes <
> >> ni...@sykesonline.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>  That's disappointing.  Do none of them have more than one screen (with
> 2
> >> or more boxes, obviously), so they can show different games in different
> >> parts of the bar?
> >>
> >> I remember once, being in Boston and wanting to watch a particular NFL
> >> game, but the bars were all showing the Patriots' one.  But the barman
> >> helpfully put my game on one screen and I sat and happily watched it on
> my
> >> own!
> >>
> >> Nigel
> >> (the Dublin one)
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of
> >> {broken-address} Graham White
> >> Sent: 26 September 2017 09:41
> >> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org; Guy Thornton
> >> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
> >>
> >> It's very frustrating here in Port de Pollenca,  the game is on live and
> >> there are loads of sports bars here but they are all showing the Champs
> >> league games!  Haven't been able to find one showing the Cardiff game
> :-(
> >>
> >> Graham
> >> 
> >>
> >> Lao T'se
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, 26 September 2017, 00:31:26 CEST, Guy Thornton <
> >> guy.thorn...@inter.nl.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Anyone getting to together in (north/central) London to watch the game
> >> tomorrow?
> >> If so where
> >>
> >> guy
> >> ___
> >> Leedslist mailing list
> >> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> >> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> >>
> >>
> >> FLAME WARS 'R US
> >>
> >> ___
> >> Leedslist mailing list
> >> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> >> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> >>
> >>
> >> FLAME WARS 'R US
> >>
> >> ___
> >> Leedslist mailing list
> >> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> >> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> >>
> >>
> >> FLAME WARS 'R US
> >> ___
> >> Leedslist mailing list
> >> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> >> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> >>
> >>
> >> FLAME WARS 'R US
> >>
> >
> >
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>
>
> FLAME WARS 'R US
>
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


FLAME WARS 'R US

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Ted]

Just been told by one of his mates that The Waterloo isn't showing it
but *Riley's
Sports Bar*, 80 Haymarket, SW1 4TE is definitely showing it.

On 26 September 2017 at 15:40, Ted <tedhea...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You could give this pub in Waterloo a ring - I know the Landlord is a
> Leeds fan (was up in Leeds at the weekend to watch us)
>
> The Wellington Hotel
> 81-83 Waterloo Road
> Waterloo
> London
> SE1 8UD
> Tel: 020 7928 6083
>
>
> On 26 September 2017 at 15:07, {broken-address} Graham White <
> gcwhite2...@yahoo.com-is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
>> Trouble is that both Liverpool and Man City are playing in the Champs
>> League tonight, so bars with multiple screens are showing both those games.
>>
>> I do have one possible long shot, so perhaps.
>>
>> Graham
>> 
>> On Tuesday, 26 September 2017, 10:58:36 CEST, Nigel Sykes <
>> ni...@sykesonline.com> wrote:
>>
>>  That's disappointing.  Do none of them have more than one screen (with 2
>> or more boxes, obviously), so they can show different games in different
>> parts of the bar?
>>
>> I remember once, being in Boston and wanting to watch a particular NFL
>> game, but the bars were all showing the Patriots' one.  But the barman
>> helpfully put my game on one screen and I sat and happily watched it on my
>> own!
>>
>> Nigel
>> (the Dublin one)
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of
>> {broken-address} Graham White
>> Sent: 26 September 2017 09:41
>> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org; Guy Thornton
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
>>
>> It's very frustrating here in Port de Pollenca,  the game is on live and
>> there are loads of sports bars here but they are all showing the Champs
>> league games!  Haven't been able to find one showing the Cardiff game :-(
>>
>> Graham
>> 
>>
>> Lao T'se
>>
>> On Tuesday, 26 September 2017, 00:31:26 CEST, Guy Thornton <
>> guy.thorn...@inter.nl.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Anyone getting to together in (north/central) London to watch the game
>> tomorrow?
>> If so where
>>
>> guy
>> ___
>> Leedslist mailing list
>> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
>> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>>
>>
>> FLAME WARS 'R US
>>
>> ___
>> Leedslist mailing list
>> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
>> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>>
>>
>> FLAME WARS 'R US
>>
>> ___
>> Leedslist mailing list
>> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
>> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>>
>>
>> FLAME WARS 'R US
>> ___
>> Leedslist mailing list
>> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
>> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>>
>>
>> FLAME WARS 'R US
>>
>
>
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


FLAME WARS 'R US

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Ted]

You could give this pub in Waterloo a ring - I know the Landlord is a Leeds
fan (was up in Leeds at the weekend to watch us)

The Wellington Hotel
81-83 Waterloo Road
Waterloo
London
SE1 8UD
Tel: 020 7928 6083


On 26 September 2017 at 15:07, {broken-address} Graham White <
gcwhite2...@yahoo.com-is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:

> Trouble is that both Liverpool and Man City are playing in the Champs
> League tonight, so bars with multiple screens are showing both those games.
>
> I do have one possible long shot, so perhaps.
>
> Graham
> 
> On Tuesday, 26 September 2017, 10:58:36 CEST, Nigel Sykes <
> ni...@sykesonline.com> wrote:
>
>  That's disappointing.  Do none of them have more than one screen (with 2
> or more boxes, obviously), so they can show different games in different
> parts of the bar?
>
> I remember once, being in Boston and wanting to watch a particular NFL
> game, but the bars were all showing the Patriots' one.  But the barman
> helpfully put my game on one screen and I sat and happily watched it on my
> own!
>
> Nigel
> (the Dublin one)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of
> {broken-address} Graham White
> Sent: 26 September 2017 09:41
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org; Guy Thornton
> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
>
> It's very frustrating here in Port de Pollenca,  the game is on live and
> there are loads of sports bars here but they are all showing the Champs
> league games!  Haven't been able to find one showing the Cardiff game :-(
>
> Graham
> 
>
> Lao T'se
>
> On Tuesday, 26 September 2017, 00:31:26 CEST, Guy Thornton <
> guy.thorn...@inter.nl.net> wrote:
>
>
> Anyone getting to together in (north/central) London to watch the game
> tomorrow?
> If so where
>
> guy
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>
>
> FLAME WARS 'R US
>
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>
>
> FLAME WARS 'R US
>
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>
>
> FLAME WARS 'R US
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>
>
> FLAME WARS 'R US
>
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


FLAME WARS 'R US

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[{broken-address} Graham White]

Trouble is that both Liverpool and Man City are playing in the Champs League 
tonight, so bars with multiple screens are showing both those games.

I do have one possible long shot, so perhaps.

Graham

On Tuesday, 26 September 2017, 10:58:36 CEST, Nigel Sykes 
<ni...@sykesonline.com> wrote:  
 
 That's disappointing.  Do none of them have more than one screen (with 2 or 
more boxes, obviously), so they can show different games in different parts of 
the bar?

I remember once, being in Boston and wanting to watch a particular NFL game, 
but the bars were all showing the Patriots' one.  But the barman helpfully put 
my game on one screen and I sat and happily watched it on my own!

Nigel 
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
{broken-address} Graham White
Sent: 26 September 2017 09:41
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org; Guy Thornton
Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff

It's very frustrating here in Port de Pollenca,  the game is on live and there 
are loads of sports bars here but they are all showing the Champs league games! 
 Haven't been able to find one showing the Cardiff game :-(

Graham


Lao T'se 

    On Tuesday, 26 September 2017, 00:31:26 CEST, Guy Thornton 
<guy.thorn...@inter.nl.net> wrote:  
 
 
Anyone getting to together in (north/central) London to watch the game tomorrow?
If so where

guy
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


FLAME WARS 'R US
  
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


FLAME WARS 'R US

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


FLAME WARS 'R US
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


FLAME WARS 'R US

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Nigel Sykes]

That's disappointing.  Do none of them have more than one screen (with 2 or 
more boxes, obviously), so they can show different games in different parts of 
the bar?

I remember once, being in Boston and wanting to watch a particular NFL game, 
but the bars were all showing the Patriots' one.  But the barman helpfully put 
my game on one screen and I sat and happily watched it on my own!

Nigel 
(the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
{broken-address} Graham White
Sent: 26 September 2017 09:41
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org; Guy Thornton
Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff

It's very frustrating here in Port de Pollenca,  the game is on live and there 
are loads of sports bars here but they are all showing the Champs league games! 
 Haven't been able to find one showing the Cardiff game :-(

Graham


Lao T'se 

On Tuesday, 26 September 2017, 00:31:26 CEST, Guy Thornton 
<guy.thorn...@inter.nl.net> wrote:  
 
 
Anyone getting to together in (north/central) London to watch the game tomorrow?
If so where

guy
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


FLAME WARS 'R US
  
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


FLAME WARS 'R US

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


FLAME WARS 'R US

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[{broken-address} Graham White]

It's very frustrating here in Port de Pollenca,  the game is on live and there 
are loads of sports bars here but they are all showing the Champs league games! 
 Haven't been able to find one showing the Cardiff game :-(

Graham


Lao T'se 

On Tuesday, 26 September 2017, 00:31:26 CEST, Guy Thornton 
 wrote:  
 
 
Anyone getting to together in (north/central) London to watch the game tomorrow?
If so where

guy
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


FLAME WARS 'R US
  
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


FLAME WARS 'R US

[LU] Cardiff

[Guy Thornton]

Anyone getting to together in (north/central) London to watch the game tomorrow?
If so where

guy
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


FLAME WARS 'R US

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Richard Naef]

> Apparently Phil Hay asked him about Jansson and why he didn't play on Sat and 
> TC told him that he was fit and he intentionally left him out. Sounds like 
> bollox to me
You’ve also got to take into account that English isn’t his first language, PH 
I mean.

ttfn

Richard

From: Richard Walker [mailto:richleed...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 25 September 2017 10:15
To: leedslist <leedslist@gn.apc.org>; Richard Naef 
<rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff

Apparently Phil Hay asked him about Jansson and why he didn't play on Sat and 
TC told him that he was fit and he intentionally left him out. Sounds like 
bollox to me.

TC told Popey that playing it out from the back is 'our identity' and I get 
that however Ipswich sussed it immediately and pushed up and stopped us doing 
it. This created complete panic and disarray at the back for us and it was 
clear that this is the tactic no matter what and Plan B (lump it long) is not 
actually part of our plan at all.

On Sunday, 24 September 2017, 23:01:49 BST, Richard Naef 
<rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk<mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>> wrote:


So for Tuesday, defo jansson (if fit) for  shaughnessy.?

Maybe Beradi for Anita?

What about weidwald? Do we trust TCs belief in him as a sweeper/keeper - he 
gave Lord Eddie Gray short shrift when he suggested we should fanny about a 
little less around our own penalty area.

Sent from my Mobile
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email 
leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org<mailto:leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org>


FLAME WARS 'R US
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


FLAME WARS 'R US

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[David W]

Jansson clearly seems to be carrying some muscle / leg niggle based on him
coming off at Millwall. May be a case that he technically could have
played, but TC knew that would in turn have made him doubtful for Tuesday /
vulnerable to getting a longer term injury. Whether someone is 'fit' is
seldom back and white. Players slog on with a variety of knocks and niggles
(as do we all!). Cardiff and Weds more key games to have him available.





On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 11:14 AM, {broken-address} Richard Walker <
richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  Apparently Phil Hay asked him about Jansson and why he didn't play on Sat
> and TC told him that he was fit and he intentionally left him out. Sounds
> like bollox to me.
> TC told Popey that playing it out from the back is 'our identity' and I
> get that however Ipswich sussed it immediately and pushed up and stopped us
> doing it. This created complete panic and disarray at the back for us and
> it was clear that this is the tactic no matter what and Plan B (lump it
> long) is not actually part of our plan at all.
> On Sunday, 24 September 2017, 23:01:49 BST, Richard Naef <
> rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:
>
>  So for Tuesday, defo jansson (if fit) for  shaughnessy.?
>
> Maybe Beradi for Anita?
>
> What about weidwald? Do we trust TCs belief in him as a sweeper/keeper -
> he gave Lord Eddie Gray short shrift when he suggested we should fanny
> about a little less around our own penalty area.
>
> Sent from my Mobile
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>
>
> FLAME WARS 'R US
>
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>
>
> FLAME WARS 'R US
>
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


FLAME WARS 'R US

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

 Apparently Phil Hay asked him about Jansson and why he didn't play on Sat and 
TC told him that he was fit and he intentionally left him out. Sounds like 
bollox to me. 
TC told Popey that playing it out from the back is 'our identity' and I get 
that however Ipswich sussed it immediately and pushed up and stopped us doing 
it. This created complete panic and disarray at the back for us and it was 
clear that this is the tactic no matter what and Plan B (lump it long) is not 
actually part of our plan at all. 
On Sunday, 24 September 2017, 23:01:49 BST, Richard Naef 
 wrote:  
 
 So for Tuesday, defo jansson (if fit) for  shaughnessy.?

Maybe Beradi for Anita?

What about weidwald? Do we trust TCs belief in him as a sweeper/keeper - he 
gave Lord Eddie Gray short shrift when he suggested we should fanny about a 
little less around our own penalty area.

Sent from my Mobile
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


FLAME WARS 'R US
  
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


FLAME WARS 'R US

[LU] Cardiff

[Richard Naef]

So for Tuesday, defo jansson (if fit) for  shaughnessy.?

Maybe Beradi for Anita?

What about weidwald? Do we trust TCs belief in him as a sweeper/keeper - he 
gave Lord Eddie Gray short shrift when he suggested we should fanny about a 
little less around our own penalty area.

Sent from my Mobile
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


FLAME WARS 'R US

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Ted]

 wrote:

   Dave, one incident in the second half sumed it up for me. We had a
   throw in in their left hand corner. Beradi through it long where Wood
   on the edge of the six yard box to be fair got a great flick on, to no
   one. I could not believe taking a long throw that we did congest the
   box with bodies like Cardiff did to us


Yes, we all commented on that.
I agree with most of what Dave and Rich said bit I have to disagree with
Rich's assessment of Wood.
We thought he made some good runs off the ball, getting into decent
positions but never received the ball. What's the point in having a big man
up front if your wide players (which we seem to have loads of) never get
the ball crossed? He also found himself having to go back to the half way
line to get the ball - he was then having to "race" up front in the hope of
getting it back.

Also, a major difference - their 1st goal came from a free kick just inside
our half - they fired it across into the box and scored. In the 1st half we
had a free kick in a similar position, what did we do? Passed it backwards
to keep ineffective possession.

We never had a Plan B and reminded me of Reading's performance against us
earlier in the season, a performance everyone mocked for having loads of
possession with no end result.

A miserable wet day at ER, must have affected me cos I went home on an
early train instead of staying on the lash.

Let's just hope it's a blip. We've had a great record at home recently and
hopefully we'll get back on track on Tuesday.

Ted
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


MARCHING ON TOGETHER

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Can't believe they showed the Wood free kick / backpass.


> On 12 Feb 2017, at 08:11, "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com> wrote:
> 
> Having slept on it I did think I was shortchanging my 'fans' on here with 
> such a perfunctory report, so I thought I would watch the (extended - we were 
> on first) highlights on Ch 5 and maybe add some things
> The fact that our bit last less than 5 minutes including replays and showed 
> one free kick by Wood, one good move which ended with Wood putting it into 
> the side netting and a last minute miss by Roofe showed there is not anything 
> else to say !
> We missed Jansson massively - end of
> Dave
> 
> 
>  From: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com>
> To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org> 
> Sent: Saturday, 11 February 2017, 20:12
> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
> 
> My lad said " don't bother with a report - just put 3 words - spineless, 
> guileless, shite "
> Spineless in defence, guileless in midfield and shite up front
> To be fair that sums it all up - this was as bad a performance as we have had 
> since Monk sorted things out. We had 90minutes of huff and puff without 
> actually making their keeper make a proper save. At the back we left a 
> Caridff player on his own to head home the first totally unmarked and then 
> watched them waltz through for the second
> Even worse they were dreadful and came just to frustrate us 
> 
> Cannot be arsed going through it all - Rich has it pretty much spot on - they 
> were there to stop us playing and we had no idea what to do
> A win on Tuesday will put a better spin on it but 4 defeats in 6 games ( 3 in 
> 5 in the league) should be enough to start to worry us
> Dave
> 
>   From: {broken-address} Richard Walker 
> <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>
> To: Rob Heath <rhe...@hkis.edu.hk> 
> Cc: "leedslist@gn.apc.org" <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> Sent: Saturday, 11 February 2017, 19:07
> Subject: [LU] Cardiff
>   
> Lots of ways of looking at this game but here's my take.
> 
> For the first time this season a team came to contain us and sat deep and 
> just let us pass it around. I'd be surprised if we had less than 60 % 
> throughout today but we didn't have the fire power to hurt Cardiff who were a 
> team of big, talentless bastards. Our best performances - Villa, Derby were 
> against teams who came to Elland Road thinking they could beat us and pushed 
> forward. Neil Warnock, the canny old cunt came with no attacking intentions 
> at all. It worked although I think he was lucky.
> 
> Had Jansson been playing today I think we would have won. Free headers in the 
> box from set pieces don't happen when he's playing with Bartlett but as hard 
> as Cooper tried today he just isn't up to their level and it really unsettles 
> us when he plays. Maybe Ayling with Bartlett is the preferred pairing when 
> Jansson is not playing.
> 
> I've just heard Monk's post match interview with Popey and he reckons he knew 
> that Cardiff would set up with 11 men behind the ball. If that's the case why 
> play with one up front. Bamba and the or big twat at the back had Chris Wood 
> in their pocket most of the match but we just toiled and passed square balls 
> around the park. Our formation relies on two wingers and an attacking 
> midfielder but when one of those wingers is Stuart Dallas and the other a 
> young lad making his home debut and first start you're always going to 
> struggle. Whilst Padraza ( or someone with a name like that) stood on the 
> left wing stroking his cock, Dallas tried to make things happen down the 
> right. All our play went down the right wing in the first half and time after 
> time it just petered out. Dallas is not a winger and I'm not really sure want 
> he is apart from not good enough.
> 
> With a game like this where we're having to make 20 passes to try and create 
> some space you're relying on Hernandez to do something special and credit to 
> him he tried everything to make it work but short of beating 9 big bastards 
> and slamming it home it was never going to happen. For all our possession 
> their keeper hasn't had to make a decent save all afternoon. We had two 
> excellent free kick opportunities but Woods passed one back to their keeper 
> whereas Hernandes failed to get it over the big bastards in the wall.
> 
> Very frustrating first half but we didn't look in trouble and it was in,y a 
> matter of time.
> 
> Nope - difference was Warnock was looking for the win and continued to be 
> happy watching us play aimless football in their half. Credit to Leeds 
> because we came out with much more energy and intensity second half and 
> started to troub

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[nat...@sky.com]

Having slept on it I did think I was shortchanging my 'fans' on here with such 
a perfunctory report, so I thought I would watch the (extended - we were on 
first) highlights on Ch 5 and maybe add some things
The fact that our bit last less than 5 minutes including replays and showed one 
free kick by Wood, one good move which ended with Wood putting it into the side 
netting and a last minute miss by Roofe showed there is not anything else to 
say !
We missed Jansson massively - end of
Dave


  From: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com>
 To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org> 
 Sent: Saturday, 11 February 2017, 20:12
 Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff
   
My lad said " don't bother with a report - just put 3 words - spineless, 
guileless, shite "
Spineless in defence, guileless in midfield and shite up front
To be fair that sums it all up - this was as bad a performance as we have had 
since Monk sorted things out. We had 90minutes of huff and puff without 
actually making their keeper make a proper save. At the back we left a Caridff 
player on his own to head home the first totally unmarked and then watched them 
waltz through for the second
Even worse they were dreadful and came just to frustrate us 

Cannot be arsed going through it all - Rich has it pretty much spot on - they 
were there to stop us playing and we had no idea what to do
A win on Tuesday will put a better spin on it but 4 defeats in 6 games ( 3 in 5 
in the league) should be enough to start to worry us
Dave

      From: {broken-address} Richard Walker 
<richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>
 To: Rob Heath <rhe...@hkis.edu.hk> 
Cc: "leedslist@gn.apc.org" <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
 Sent: Saturday, 11 February 2017, 19:07
 Subject: [LU] Cardiff
  
Lots of ways of looking at this game but here's my take.

For the first time this season a team came to contain us and sat deep and just 
let us pass it around. I'd be surprised if we had less than 60 % throughout 
today but we didn't have the fire power to hurt Cardiff who were a team of big, 
talentless bastards. Our best performances - Villa, Derby were against teams 
who came to Elland Road thinking they could beat us and pushed forward. Neil 
Warnock, the canny old cunt came with no attacking intentions at all. It worked 
although I think he was lucky.

Had Jansson been playing today I think we would have won. Free headers in the 
box from set pieces don't happen when he's playing with Bartlett but as hard as 
Cooper tried today he just isn't up to their level and it really unsettles us 
when he plays. Maybe Ayling with Bartlett is the preferred pairing when Jansson 
is not playing.

I've just heard Monk's post match interview with Popey and he reckons he knew 
that Cardiff would set up with 11 men behind the ball. If that's the case why 
play with one up front. Bamba and the or big twat at the back had Chris Wood in 
their pocket most of the match but we just toiled and passed square balls 
around the park. Our formation relies on two wingers and an attacking 
midfielder but when one of those wingers is Stuart Dallas and the other a young 
lad making his home debut and first start you're always going to struggle. 
Whilst Padraza ( or someone with a name like that) stood on the left wing 
stroking his cock, Dallas tried to make things happen down the right. All our 
play went down the right wing in the first half and time after time it just 
petered out. Dallas is not a winger and I'm not really sure want he is apart 
from not good enough.

With a game like this where we're having to make 20 passes to try and create 
some space you're relying on Hernandez to do something special and credit to 
him he tried everything to make it work but short of beating 9 big bastards and 
slamming it home it was never going to happen. For all our possession their 
keeper hasn't had to make a decent save all afternoon. We had two excellent 
free kick opportunities but Woods passed one back to their keeper whereas 
Hernandes failed to get it over the big bastards in the wall.

Very frustrating first half but we didn't look in trouble and it was in,y a 
matter of time.

Nope - difference was Warnock was looking for the win and continued to be happy 
watching us play aimless football in their half. Credit to Leeds because we 
came out with much more energy and intensity second half and started to trouble 
them. Dallas had obviously had a rocket up his arse and he came looking for the 
ball. It didn't last long because Monk dragged him off and replaced with Sacko. 
It wasn't the right solution though, we needed an option to play someone up 
alongside the hapless Wood but there's not many players that can do that ( 
Roofe maybe ?). I think Doukara was brought in to do that but the lad didn't 
have a clue what he was doing when he came on. A pointless substitution.

At the other end the inevitable happened. A set piece, an unmarked big bastard 
in the pena

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[nat...@sky.com]

My lad said " don't bother with a report - just put 3 words - spineless, 
guileless, shite "
Spineless in defence, guileless in midfield and shite up front
To be fair that sums it all up - this was as bad a performance as we have had 
since Monk sorted things out. We had 90minutes of huff and puff without 
actually making their keeper make a proper save. At the back we left a Caridff 
player on his own to head home the first totally unmarked and then watched them 
waltz through for the second
Even worse they were dreadful and came just to frustrate us 

Cannot be arsed going through it all - Rich has it pretty much spot on - they 
were there to stop us playing and we had no idea what to do
A win on Tuesday will put a better spin on it but 4 defeats in 6 games ( 3 in 5 
in the league) should be enough to start to worry us
Dave

  From: {broken-address} Richard Walker 
<richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>
 To: Rob Heath <rhe...@hkis.edu.hk> 
Cc: "leedslist@gn.apc.org" <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
 Sent: Saturday, 11 February 2017, 19:07
 Subject: [LU] Cardiff
   
Lots of ways of looking at this game but here's my take.

For the first time this season a team came to contain us and sat deep and just 
let us pass it around. I'd be surprised if we had less than 60 % throughout 
today but we didn't have the fire power to hurt Cardiff who were a team of big, 
talentless bastards. Our best performances - Villa, Derby were against teams 
who came to Elland Road thinking they could beat us and pushed forward. Neil 
Warnock, the canny old cunt came with no attacking intentions at all. It worked 
although I think he was lucky.

Had Jansson been playing today I think we would have won. Free headers in the 
box from set pieces don't happen when he's playing with Bartlett but as hard as 
Cooper tried today he just isn't up to their level and it really unsettles us 
when he plays. Maybe Ayling with Bartlett is the preferred pairing when Jansson 
is not playing.

I've just heard Monk's post match interview with Popey and he reckons he knew 
that Cardiff would set up with 11 men behind the ball. If that's the case why 
play with one up front. Bamba and the or big twat at the back had Chris Wood in 
their pocket most of the match but we just toiled and passed square balls 
around the park. Our formation relies on two wingers and an attacking 
midfielder but when one of those wingers is Stuart Dallas and the other a young 
lad making his home debut and first start you're always going to struggle. 
Whilst Padraza ( or someone with a name like that) stood on the left wing 
stroking his cock, Dallas tried to make things happen down the right. All our 
play went down the right wing in the first half and time after time it just 
petered out. Dallas is not a winger and I'm not really sure want he is apart 
from not good enough.

With a game like this where we're having to make 20 passes to try and create 
some space you're relying on Hernandez to do something special and credit to 
him he tried everything to make it work but short of beating 9 big bastards and 
slamming it home it was never going to happen. For all our possession their 
keeper hasn't had to make a decent save all afternoon. We had two excellent 
free kick opportunities but Woods passed one back to their keeper whereas 
Hernandes failed to get it over the big bastards in the wall.

Very frustrating first half but we didn't look in trouble and it was in,y a 
matter of time.

Nope - difference was Warnock was looking for the win and continued to be happy 
watching us play aimless football in their half. Credit to Leeds because we 
came out with much more energy and intensity second half and started to trouble 
them. Dallas had obviously had a rocket up his arse and he came looking for the 
ball. It didn't last long because Monk dragged him off and replaced with Sacko. 
It wasn't the right solution though, we needed an option to play someone up 
alongside the hapless Wood but there's not many players that can do that ( 
Roofe maybe ?). I think Doukara was brought in to do that but the lad didn't 
have a clue what he was doing when he came on. A pointless substitution.

At the other end the inevitable happened. A set piece, an unmarked big bastard 
in the penalty box and an easy goal. Rob Green didn't even fucking move. One of 
the worst goals I've seen at Elland Road for a long time. Panic set in then and 
we tried to chase the game but we just lost all our shape and it was up to 
Hernandes to try and equalise on his own. We had one or two half chances but 
never looked dangerous.

At the other end we panicked, Vierra lost the ball and let their only short 
arse in to pull it back for an easy tap in. 2-0 game over,

We continued to push forward and Roofe missed our best chance of the game and 
in the end it petered out. 

Fair play to Warnock , he out thought Monk who needs to think about a plan B 
when teams come to d

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Hernandes - 7 tried to be a one man team. Couldn't do it but 10 out of ten for 
effort.



> On 11 Feb 2017, at 19:07, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> Lots of ways of looking at this game but here's my take.
> 
> For the first time this season a team came to contain us and sat deep and 
> just let us pass it around. I'd be surprised if we had less than 60 % 
> throughout today but we didn't have the fire power to hurt Cardiff who were a 
> team of big, talentless bastards. Our best performances - Villa, Derby were 
> against teams who came to Elland Road thinking they could beat us and pushed 
> forward. Neil Warnock, the canny old cunt came with no attacking intentions 
> at all. It worked although I think he was lucky.
> 
> Had Jansson been playing today I think we would have won. Free headers in the 
> box from set pieces don't happen when he's playing with Bartlett but as hard 
> as Cooper tried today he just isn't up to their level and it really unsettles 
> us when he plays. Maybe Ayling with Bartlett is the preferred pairing when 
> Jansson is not playing.
> 
> I've just heard Monk's post match interview with Popey and he reckons he knew 
> that Cardiff would set up with 11 men behind the ball. If that's the case why 
> play with one up front. Bamba and the or big twat at the back had Chris Wood 
> in their pocket most of the match but we just toiled and passed square balls 
> around the park. Our formation relies on two wingers and an attacking 
> midfielder but when one of those wingers is Stuart Dallas and the other a 
> young lad making his home debut and first start you're always going to 
> struggle. Whilst Padraza ( or someone with a name like that) stood on the 
> left wing stroking his cock, Dallas tried to make things happen down the 
> right. All our play went down the right wing in the first half and time after 
> time it just petered out. Dallas is not a winger and I'm not really sure want 
> he is apart from not good enough.
> 
> With a game like this where we're having to make 20 passes to try and create 
> some space you're relying on Hernandez to do something special and credit to 
> him he tried everything to make it work but short of beating 9 big bastards 
> and slamming it home it was never going to happen. For all our possession 
> their keeper hasn't had to make a decent save all afternoon. We had two 
> excellent free kick opportunities but Woods passed one back to their keeper 
> whereas Hernandes failed to get it over the big bastards in the wall.
> 
> Very frustrating first half but we didn't look in trouble and it was in,y a 
> matter of time.
> 
> Nope - difference was Warnock was looking for the win and continued to be 
> happy watching us play aimless football in their half. Credit to Leeds 
> because we came out with much more energy and intensity second half and 
> started to trouble them. Dallas had obviously had a rocket up his arse and he 
> came looking for the ball. It didn't last long because Monk dragged him off 
> and replaced with Sacko. It wasn't the right solution though, we needed an 
> option to play someone up alongside the hapless Wood but there's not many 
> players that can do that ( Roofe maybe ?). I think Doukara was brought in to 
> do that but the lad didn't have a clue what he was doing when he came on. A 
> pointless substitution.
> 
> At the other end the inevitable happened. A set piece, an unmarked big 
> bastard in the penalty box and an easy goal. Rob Green didn't even fucking 
> move. One of the worst goals I've seen at Elland Road for a long time. Panic 
> set in then and we tried to chase the game but we just lost all our shape and 
> it was up to Hernandes to try and equalise on his own. We had one or two half 
> chances but never looked dangerous.
> 
> At the other end we panicked, Vierra lost the ball and let their only short 
> arse in to pull it back for an easy tap in. 2-0 game over,
> 
> We continued to push forward and Roofe missed our best chance of the game and 
> in the end it petered out. 
> 
> Fair play to Warnock , he out thought Monk who needs to think about a plan B 
> when teams come to defend like this. You can't play one up front ! Basics.
> 
> Scores
> 
> Green -  4. Didn't have anything to do other than pick the ball out of the 
> net twice.
> 
> Ayling - 6 I thought he did ok first half and really tried to get things 
> going down the right with Dallas ( that was never going to happen). Second 
> half I thought he got the run around a bit by Cardiff 's best and only player.
> 
> Beradi - 7 I thought he did really well. He really showed determination and 
> put himself on the line a few times. Never looks completely comfortable at 
> left back though. As good as Ayling as been I think Beradi would be the 
> better right back.
> 
> Bartley - 4. For all those who think Bartlett has been the real success at 
> the back rather than Jansson can they answer 

[LU] Cardiff

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Lots of ways of looking at this game but here's my take.

For the first time this season a team came to contain us and sat deep and just 
let us pass it around. I'd be surprised if we had less than 60 % throughout 
today but we didn't have the fire power to hurt Cardiff who were a team of big, 
talentless bastards. Our best performances - Villa, Derby were against teams 
who came to Elland Road thinking they could beat us and pushed forward. Neil 
Warnock, the canny old cunt came with no attacking intentions at all. It worked 
although I think he was lucky.

Had Jansson been playing today I think we would have won. Free headers in the 
box from set pieces don't happen when he's playing with Bartlett but as hard as 
Cooper tried today he just isn't up to their level and it really unsettles us 
when he plays. Maybe Ayling with Bartlett is the preferred pairing when Jansson 
is not playing.

I've just heard Monk's post match interview with Popey and he reckons he knew 
that Cardiff would set up with 11 men behind the ball. If that's the case why 
play with one up front. Bamba and the or big twat at the back had Chris Wood in 
their pocket most of the match but we just toiled and passed square balls 
around the park. Our formation relies on two wingers and an attacking 
midfielder but when one of those wingers is Stuart Dallas and the other a young 
lad making his home debut and first start you're always going to struggle. 
Whilst Padraza ( or someone with a name like that) stood on the left wing 
stroking his cock, Dallas tried to make things happen down the right. All our 
play went down the right wing in the first half and time after time it just 
petered out. Dallas is not a winger and I'm not really sure want he is apart 
from not good enough.

With a game like this where we're having to make 20 passes to try and create 
some space you're relying on Hernandez to do something special and credit to 
him he tried everything to make it work but short of beating 9 big bastards and 
slamming it home it was never going to happen. For all our possession their 
keeper hasn't had to make a decent save all afternoon. We had two excellent 
free kick opportunities but Woods passed one back to their keeper whereas 
Hernandes failed to get it over the big bastards in the wall.

Very frustrating first half but we didn't look in trouble and it was in,y a 
matter of time.

Nope - difference was Warnock was looking for the win and continued to be happy 
watching us play aimless football in their half. Credit to Leeds because we 
came out with much more energy and intensity second half and started to trouble 
them. Dallas had obviously had a rocket up his arse and he came looking for the 
ball. It didn't last long because Monk dragged him off and replaced with Sacko. 
It wasn't the right solution though, we needed an option to play someone up 
alongside the hapless Wood but there's not many players that can do that ( 
Roofe maybe ?). I think Doukara was brought in to do that but the lad didn't 
have a clue what he was doing when he came on. A pointless substitution.

At the other end the inevitable happened. A set piece, an unmarked big bastard 
in the penalty box and an easy goal. Rob Green didn't even fucking move. One of 
the worst goals I've seen at Elland Road for a long time. Panic set in then and 
we tried to chase the game but we just lost all our shape and it was up to 
Hernandes to try and equalise on his own. We had one or two half chances but 
never looked dangerous.

At the other end we panicked, Vierra lost the ball and let their only short 
arse in to pull it back for an easy tap in. 2-0 game over,

We continued to push forward and Roofe missed our best chance of the game and 
in the end it petered out. 

Fair play to Warnock , he out thought Monk who needs to think about a plan B 
when teams come to defend like this. You can't play one up front ! Basics.

Scores

Green -  4. Didn't have anything to do other than pick the ball out of the net 
twice.

Ayling - 6 I thought he did ok first half and really tried to get things going 
down the right with Dallas ( that was never going to happen). Second half I 
thought he got the run around a bit by Cardiff 's best and only player.

Beradi - 7 I thought he did really well. He really showed determination and put 
himself on the line a few times. Never looks completely comfortable at left 
back though. As good as Ayling as been I think Beradi would be the better right 
back.

Bartley - 4. For all those who think Bartlett has been the real success at the 
back rather than Jansson can they answer the question why he looks like Sol 
Bamba on a bad day when he plays with Cooper ? He was over the place today.

Cooper - 4. He seems to be trying too hard and although he gets through a lot 
of good work he always looks vulnerable. I'm afraid he's not quite good enough 
for a team chasing the play offs.

Bridcutt - 3. Mouthy little cunt, got booked and then did his usual bad 

Re: [LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 2 (latest)

[Kevin Lewis (UK SBS)]

I don't know if my expectations are just so low, but I was actually pretty 
upbeat after Saturday's game.
I realise it was a few days ago now, but I thought it was a huge improvement on 
anything I've seen for quite a few years.

It may be premature to say the corner has been turned, but I've never been slow 
to make negative comments on the basis of 1 match.

Ok Leeds were pinned back for large periods of the 1st half, but coped pretty 
well.  This was largely due to the presence of Jannson.  The fact that he wins 
everything in the air, meant it did not look like we would concede a goal at 
every set piece.

By the time the 2nd half came, the whole team had gained more confidence from 
the solid-looking defence.

Hernandez, Sacko, Vieira all came into the game more and Leeds really looked 
the better team.
Hernandez is a luxury player, but you can afford to have one in that position.  
It is ages since I've seen a Leeds player with that ability to run at a 
defence, pick a pass (when he feels like it) or have a shot.  Sacko and Dallas  
both do their defensive share, and Sacko looks a real threat going forward.  In 
fact there aren't many teams who will have 3 such good players supporting their 
striker.

I actually thought O'Kane showed pretty good composure, especially after the 
first 30 mins

On the minus side I'm not convinced by Wood.  Playing as a sole striker is a 
lonely role, especially away from home.  I would expect the 3 supporting 
players to be closer to him in home matches.  Any player who is capable of 
winning headers, hold-up play, being a threat behind a defence, and being the 
team's main goalscorer, would  not remain the Championship for long.  He does 
need to up his rate of taking chances. If Lambert had had a couple of those 
chances, my money would have been on him scoring.

Also I'm afraid Green did not do much to improve my confidence in him, but I 
was happy with the rest of them.

Overall now, I'm looking forward to a bit of a climb up the table.  I'm not too 
bothered if Monkfish makes a few changes in forward positions for the League 
Cup.
Give Antonnson, Mowatt and Roofe a start perhaps, but keep the defence the same 
to build up a bit of a rapport.

Cheers
KOT.




Kevin Lewis
Oracle System Administrator
UK SBS

Tel: 01793 867086
Email: kevin.le...@uksbs.co.uk
UK SBS, North Star House, North Star Avenue, Swindon, SN2 1FF (Polaris House, 
Ground Floor - East, Swindon)



UK Shared Business Services Ltd. Registered in England and Wales as a limited 
company.  Company number 6330639.  Registered Office: North Star House, North 
Star Avenue, Swindon, Wiltshire SN2 1FF.

This email and any attachments are intended for the named addressee(s) only. If 
you are not the intended recipient, please notify UK SBS immediately and do not 
disclose, distribute, or retain this email or any part of it. While UK SBS has 
taken every reasonable precaution to minimise risk of this e-mail or any 
attachments containing viruses, the recipient should carry out its own virus 
checks before opening the attachments. The Company does not accept any 
liability for any losses or damages which the recipient may sustain due to 
presence of any viruses. Any opinions expressed in this email (including 
attachments) are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the 
company's opinions. We will not accept responsibility for any commitments made 
by our employees outside the scope of our business. The Company reserves the 
right to monitor all e-mail communications through their networks for the 
purposes of preventing and detecting crime.


This message has been scanned by the iCritical Email Security Service. For more 
information please visit http://www.icritical.com


___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


MARCHING ON TOGETHER

Re: [LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 2 (latest)

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

I did look into the broken address and 

Sent from my iPad

> On 18 Sep 2016, at 09:42, Ian Murray  wrote:
> 
> Why do people's emails keep showing as 'broken address'? 
> 
> Can we do anything about this, Sir John of Swinnow? 
> 
> Good win yesterday and great finish from Hernandez.  You give up on the 
> bastards and they just suck you right back in.
> 
> MOT
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 17 Sep 2016, at 23:05, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I thought Vierra played pretty well second half. First half he was lost.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 17 Sep 2016, at 14:29, Richard Naef  
>> wrote:
>> 
 I do think it also helps that we no longer think we're going to concede
>>> with
 every corner / set piece which is massive for us. Credit to Monk for that.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> definitely, Jannson the new Molenaar?
>>> 
>>> While the performance was pretty dire for most of the match, the players do
>>> seem to be more confident in each other.  I think we need to give o'kane
>>> more time he hasn't had a lot of match prective in the last 18 months.
>>> Hernadez is definitely a luxury player at the moment, his goal was great but
>>> that was about it from him, Viera was annoymous, but given we were without
>>> Bridcutt, more to be happy about than usual on a matchday.
>>> 
>>> ___
>>> Leedslist mailing list
>>> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
>>> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER
>> ___
>> Leedslist mailing list
>> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
>> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>> 
>> 
>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> 
> MARCHING ON TOGETHER
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


MARCHING ON TOGETHER

Re: [LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 2 (latest)

[Ian Murray]

Why do people's emails keep showing as 'broken address'? 

Can we do anything about this, Sir John of Swinnow? 

Good win yesterday and great finish from Hernandez.  You give up on the 
bastards and they just suck you right back in.

MOT

Sent from my iPhone

> On 17 Sep 2016, at 23:05, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> I thought Vierra played pretty well second half. First half he was lost.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 17 Sep 2016, at 14:29, Richard Naef  
> wrote:
> 
>>> I do think it also helps that we no longer think we're going to concede
>> with
>>> every corner / set piece which is massive for us. Credit to Monk for that.
>> 
>> 
>> definitely, Jannson the new Molenaar?
>> 
>> While the performance was pretty dire for most of the match, the players do
>> seem to be more confident in each other.  I think we need to give o'kane
>> more time he hasn't had a lot of match prective in the last 18 months.
>> Hernadez is definitely a luxury player at the moment, his goal was great but
>> that was about it from him, Viera was annoymous, but given we were without
>> Bridcutt, more to be happy about than usual on a matchday.
>> 
>> ___
>> Leedslist mailing list
>> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
>> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>> 
>> 
>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> 
> MARCHING ON TOGETHER
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


MARCHING ON TOGETHER

Re: [LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 2 (latest)

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

I thought Vierra played pretty well second half. First half he was lost.

Sent from my iPad

On 17 Sep 2016, at 14:29, Richard Naef  wrote:

>> I do think it also helps that we no longer think we're going to concede
> with
>> every corner / set piece which is massive for us. Credit to Monk for that.
> 
> 
> definitely, Jannson the new Molenaar?
> 
> While the performance was pretty dire for most of the match, the players do
> seem to be more confident in each other.  I think we need to give o'kane
> more time he hasn't had a lot of match prective in the last 18 months.
> Hernadez is definitely a luxury player at the moment, his goal was great but
> that was about it from him, Viera was annoymous, but given we were without
> Bridcutt, more to be happy about than usual on a matchday.
> 
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> 
> MARCHING ON TOGETHER
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


MARCHING ON TOGETHER

Re: [LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 2 (latest)

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Except against Doncaster.

Sent from my iPad

> On 17 Sep 2016, at 15:16, {broken-address} Nicholas Armit 
> <arm...@yahoo.com-is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:
> 
> I guess I am just not sure what he does well. He doesn't win headers, doesn't 
> hold the ball up, has no pace. He does take penalties well. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 10:03 AM, "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Couple of things - when was the last time our centre halves got such praise 
>> ' if Pontus doesn't get you, Bartley will' 
>> Of course it is too soon to say our corner / free kick problems are over - 
>> we were saved by the post twice and Green looks suspect - but today and 
>> supposedly in the last 2 games (especially Blackburn) we conceded a lot of 
>> corners and dangerous free kicks and managed to deal with them one way and 
>> another.IF these 2 can be that solid week in week out (and not turn to shite 
>> if we actually sign them!) then that is the base of a decent side.
>> I feel sorry for Wood (NB Sky it is Wood and not WoodS) - the stick he gets 
>> from fans is in direct contrast to the praise he got (again) from the ex 
>> players and 'experts' - Birtles and the other commentator, Prutts and 
>> Holloway all said how well his overall game was, albeit he missed a couple 
>> when he got into good positions but the fans still call him a lump of Wood 
>> despitethe fact that  his goal scoring record for us, per minute etc, is 
>> more than decent. I do get the criticism since he is ungainly etc but I 
>> think we need to give the lad a break and give him credit for what he does 
>> well rather than stick for what he does badly
>> For me today, O'Kane and Vieirra were both annonymous , though TV does not 
>> always show how well a defensive midfielder does, and we gave the ball away 
>> (Hernandez was another one guilty of this) much too often, and both Dallas 
>> and Sacko need more and better end product. BUT we weathered a bit of a 
>> storm first half and did a lot better second half and were 'worthy winners' 
>> as Dolly used to say
>> 
>> Going forward we can build on this - get a rock solid defence sorted and the 
>> pace and trickery of Sacko, Hernandez and hopefully Roofe, will cause teams 
>> problems - we do look like  a team that will be better defending and hitting 
>> on the break and that is probably why we are better away from home.
>> Another 3 points nearer to safety and even the papers may stop saying Monk 
>> is one game away from the scak now (he is probably 3 games away !!)
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Richard Naef <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
>> To: 'Leeds List' <leedslist@gn.apc.org> 
>> Sent: Saturday, 17 September 2016, 14:29
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 2 (latest)
>> 
>>> I do think it also helps that we no longer think we're going to concede
>> with
>>> every corner / set piece which is massive for us. Credit to Monk for that.
>> 
>> 
>> definitely, Jannson the new Molenaar?
>> 
>> While the performance was pretty dire for most of the match, the players do
>> seem to be more confident in each other.  I think we need to give o'kane
>> more time he hasn't had a lot of match prective in the last 18 months.
>> Hernadez is definitely a luxury player at the moment, his goal was great but
>> that was about it from him, Viera was annoymous, but given we were without
>> Bridcutt, more to be happy about than usual on a matchday.
>> 
>> ___
>> Leedslist mailing list
>> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
>> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>> 
>> 
>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> Leedslist mailing list
>> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
>> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>> 
>> 
>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER
> 
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> 
> MARCHING ON TOGETHER
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


MARCHING ON TOGETHER

Re: [LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 2 (latest)

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

I guess I am just not sure what he does well. He doesn't win headers, doesn't 
hold the ball up, has no pace. He does take penalties well. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2016, at 10:03 AM, "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com> wrote:
> 
> Couple of things - when was the last time our centre halves got such praise ' 
> if Pontus doesn't get you, Bartley will' 
> Of course it is too soon to say our corner / free kick problems are over - we 
> were saved by the post twice and Green looks suspect - but today and 
> supposedly in the last 2 games (especially Blackburn) we conceded a lot of 
> corners and dangerous free kicks and managed to deal with them one way and 
> another.IF these 2 can be that solid week in week out (and not turn to shite 
> if we actually sign them!) then that is the base of a decent side.
> I feel sorry for Wood (NB Sky it is Wood and not WoodS) - the stick he gets 
> from fans is in direct contrast to the praise he got (again) from the ex 
> players and 'experts' - Birtles and the other commentator, Prutts and 
> Holloway all said how well his overall game was, albeit he missed a couple 
> when he got into good positions but the fans still call him a lump of Wood 
> despitethe fact that  his goal scoring record for us, per minute etc, is more 
> than decent. I do get the criticism since he is ungainly etc but I think we 
> need to give the lad a break and give him credit for what he does well rather 
> than stick for what he does badly
> For me today, O'Kane and Vieirra were both annonymous , though TV does not 
> always show how well a defensive midfielder does, and we gave the ball away 
> (Hernandez was another one guilty of this) much too often, and both Dallas 
> and Sacko need more and better end product. BUT we weathered a bit of a storm 
> first half and did a lot better second half and were 'worthy winners' as 
> Dolly used to say
> 
> Going forward we can build on this - get a rock solid defence sorted and the 
> pace and trickery of Sacko, Hernandez and hopefully Roofe, will cause teams 
> problems - we do look like  a team that will be better defending and hitting 
> on the break and that is probably why we are better away from home.
> Another 3 points nearer to safety and even the papers may stop saying Monk is 
> one game away from the scak now (he is probably 3 games away !!)
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Richard Naef <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
> To: 'Leeds List' <leedslist@gn.apc.org> 
> Sent: Saturday, 17 September 2016, 14:29
> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 2 (latest)
> 
>> I do think it also helps that we no longer think we're going to concede
> with
>> every corner / set piece which is massive for us. Credit to Monk for that.
> 
> 
> definitely, Jannson the new Molenaar?
> 
> While the performance was pretty dire for most of the match, the players do
> seem to be more confident in each other.  I think we need to give o'kane
> more time he hasn't had a lot of match prective in the last 18 months.
> Hernadez is definitely a luxury player at the moment, his goal was great but
> that was about it from him, Viera was annoymous, but given we were without
> Bridcutt, more to be happy about than usual on a matchday.
> 
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> 
> MARCHING ON TOGETHER
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> 
> MARCHING ON TOGETHER

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


MARCHING ON TOGETHER

Re: [LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 2 (latest)

[nat...@sky.com]

Couple of things - when was the last time our centre halves got such praise ' 
if Pontus doesn't get you, Bartley will' 
Of course it is too soon to say our corner / free kick problems are over - we 
were saved by the post twice and Green looks suspect - but today and supposedly 
in the last 2 games (especially Blackburn) we conceded a lot of corners and 
dangerous free kicks and managed to deal with them one way and another.IF these 
2 can be that solid week in week out (and not turn to shite if we actually sign 
them!) then that is the base of a decent side.
I feel sorry for Wood (NB Sky it is Wood and not WoodS) - the stick he gets 
from fans is in direct contrast to the praise he got (again) from the ex 
players and 'experts' - Birtles and the other commentator, Prutts and Holloway 
all said how well his overall game was, albeit he missed a couple when he got 
into good positions but the fans still call him a lump of Wood despitethe fact 
that  his goal scoring record for us, per minute etc, is more than decent. I do 
get the criticism since he is ungainly etc but I think we need to give the lad 
a break and give him credit for what he does well rather than stick for what he 
does badly
For me today, O'Kane and Vieirra were both annonymous , though TV does not 
always show how well a defensive midfielder does, and we gave the ball away 
(Hernandez was another one guilty of this) much too often, and both Dallas and 
Sacko need more and better end product. BUT we weathered a bit of a storm first 
half and did a lot better second half and were 'worthy winners' as Dolly used 
to say

Going forward we can build on this - get a rock solid defence sorted and the 
pace and trickery of Sacko, Hernandez and hopefully Roofe, will cause teams 
problems - we do look like  a team that will be better defending and hitting on 
the break and that is probably why we are better away from home.
Another 3 points nearer to safety and even the papers may stop saying Monk is 
one game away from the scak now (he is probably 3 games away !!)
Dave





  From: Richard Naef <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
 To: 'Leeds List' <leedslist@gn.apc.org> 
 Sent: Saturday, 17 September 2016, 14:29
 Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 2 (latest)
   
> I do think it also helps that we no longer think we're going to concede
with
> every corner / set piece which is massive for us. Credit to Monk for that.


definitely, Jannson the new Molenaar?

While the performance was pretty dire for most of the match, the players do
seem to be more confident in each other.  I think we need to give o'kane
more time he hasn't had a lot of match prective in the last 18 months.
Hernadez is definitely a luxury player at the moment, his goal was great but
that was about it from him, Viera was annoymous, but given we were without
Bridcutt, more to be happy about than usual on a matchday.

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


MARCHING ON TOGETHER


   
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


MARCHING ON TOGETHER

Re: [LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 2 (latest)

[Richard Naef]

> I do think it also helps that we no longer think we're going to concede
with
> every corner / set piece which is massive for us. Credit to Monk for that.


definitely, Jannson the new Molenaar?

While the performance was pretty dire for most of the match, the players do
seem to be more confident in each other.  I think we need to give o'kane
more time he hasn't had a lot of match prective in the last 18 months.
Hernadez is definitely a luxury player at the moment, his goal was great but
that was about it from him, Viera was annoymous, but given we were without
Bridcutt, more to be happy about than usual on a matchday.

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


MARCHING ON TOGETHER

Re: [LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 2 (latest)

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

Yep and looks calm too.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2016, at 9:24 AM, davidwool...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Massive credit to Pontus Jansson for that. He's a colossus. Best centre back 
> we've had for many years. Proper b*stard.
> 
>   Original Message  
> From: {broken-address} Richard Walker
> Sent: Saturday, 17 September 2016 14:22
> To: Richard Naef
> Cc: Leeds List
> Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 2 (latest)
> 
> I do think it also helps that we no longer think we're going to concede with 
> every corner / set piece which is massive for us. Credit to Monk for that.
> 
> 
>> On 17 Sep 2016, at 14:12, Richard Naef <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 0- 2 annoying hernadez ;)
>> 
>> ttfn
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of John
>>> Boocock
>>> Sent: 17 September 2016 13:58
>>> To: Leeds List
>>> Subject: [LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 1 (latest)
>>> 
>>> Useless (lump of) Wood penalty 62mins
>>> 
>>> Sent from Northern climes
>>> ___
>>> Leedslist mailing list
>>> Info and options:
>> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
>>> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER
>> 
>> ___
>> Leedslist mailing list
>> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
>> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>> 
>> 
>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> 
> MARCHING ON TOGETHER
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> 
> MARCHING ON TOGETHER

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


MARCHING ON TOGETHER

[LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 2 (latest)

[John Boocock]

Hernandez 82 mins 

Sent from Northern climes
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


MARCHING ON TOGETHER

Re: [LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 2 (latest)

[davidwoolmer]

Massive credit to Pontus Jansson for that. He's a colossus. Best centre back 
we've had for many years. Proper b*stard.

  Original Message  
From: {broken-address} Richard Walker
Sent: Saturday, 17 September 2016 14:22
To: Richard Naef
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 2 (latest)

I do think it also helps that we no longer think we're going to concede with 
every corner / set piece which is massive for us. Credit to Monk for that.


> On 17 Sep 2016, at 14:12, Richard Naef <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> 
> wrote:
> 
> 0- 2 annoying hernadez ;)
> 
> ttfn
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of John
>> Boocock
>> Sent: 17 September 2016 13:58
>> To: Leeds List
>> Subject: [LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 1 (latest)
>> 
>> Useless (lump of) Wood penalty 62mins
>> 
>> Sent from Northern climes
>> ___
>> Leedslist mailing list
>> Info and options:
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
>> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>> 
>> 
>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER
> 
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> 
> MARCHING ON TOGETHER
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


MARCHING ON TOGETHER
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


MARCHING ON TOGETHER

Re: [LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 2 (latest)

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

I do think it also helps that we no longer think we're going to concede with 
every corner / set piece which is massive for us. Credit to Monk for that.


> On 17 Sep 2016, at 14:12, Richard Naef <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> 
> wrote:
> 
> 0- 2 annoying hernadez ;)
> 
> ttfn
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of John
>> Boocock
>> Sent: 17 September 2016 13:58
>> To: Leeds List
>> Subject: [LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 1 (latest)
>> 
>> Useless (lump of) Wood penalty 62mins
>> 
>> Sent from Northern climes
>> ___
>> Leedslist mailing list
>> Info and options:
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
>> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>> 
>> 
>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER
> 
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> 
> MARCHING ON TOGETHER
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


MARCHING ON TOGETHER

Re: [LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 2 (latest)

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Brilliant goal followed useless decision making 2 mins earlier. Sums him up.

Having moaned all through the match I do think there has been an improvement 
second half after we were gifted a pen.

Overall though , poor for me. Too many sloppy passes, Hernandes, O'Kane being 
the main culprits. . 

Sent from my iPad

> On 17 Sep 2016, at 14:12, Richard Naef <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> 
> wrote:
> 
> 0- 2 annoying hernadez ;)
> 
> ttfn
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of John
>> Boocock
>> Sent: 17 September 2016 13:58
>> To: Leeds List
>> Subject: [LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 1 (latest)
>> 
>> Useless (lump of) Wood penalty 62mins
>> 
>> Sent from Northern climes
>> ___
>> Leedslist mailing list
>> Info and options:
> http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
>> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
>> 
>> 
>> MARCHING ON TOGETHER
> 
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> 
> MARCHING ON TOGETHER
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


MARCHING ON TOGETHER

Re: [LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 2 (latest)

[Richard Naef]

0- 2 annoying hernadez ;)

ttfn

Richard



> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of John
> Boocock
> Sent: 17 September 2016 13:58
> To: Leeds List
> Subject: [LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 1 (latest)
> 
> Useless (lump of) Wood penalty 62mins
> 
> Sent from Northern climes
> ___
> Leedslist mailing list
> Info and options:
http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
> To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
> 
> 
> MARCHING ON TOGETHER

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


MARCHING ON TOGETHER

[LU] Cardiff 0 Leeds 1 (latest)

[John Boocock]

Useless (lump of) Wood penalty 62mins

Sent from Northern climes
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org


MARCHING ON TOGETHER

Re: [LU] cardiff

[Richard Walker]

Yep all looks good now Dave. Win on Saturday and promotion is back on the 
cards. 
What a great appointment Steve Evans is. Cellino master stroke ! 
On on on   I couldn't sleep either. 
  From: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com>
 To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org> 
 Sent: Wednesday, 4 November 2015, 0:34
 Subject: [LU] cardiff
   
Well the Welsh team were rubbish but we WON, at HOME, on a Tuesday NIGHT , 
against CARDIFF and boy, did the 17k diehards who turned up enjoy it. The 
atmosphere at the end was as if we had won a trophy not just a fairly 
meaningless run of the mill league game.I had an awful journey - train very 
late, very overcrowded and got later and later. Instead of getting drunk I only 
met my mates in the Pavilion for a couple of pints. Got there in time to hear 
Lorimer say he could not see us keeping a clean sheet but going for a 2 1 win. 
This was also the view of Terry Yorath who had all the fans in there clapping 
and cheering when he said he was not sure about the manager but we were going 
nowhere with Cellino in charge.Then to make matters worse I heard that Wooton 
was right back, Bellusci in the centre and that Murphy was starting. All 3 of 
them (and most of the other 8) had me eating my words - Wooton and Bellusci 
(alongside the impressive Cooper) did not put a foot wrong and Murphy played 
probably his best game for us - certainly the first hour, when, for once, not 
only did he spray the ball around but he even imposed himself on the game and 
dictated play. He was ably assisted in midfield by Cook and Mowatt who looked 
back to the player he was last season, the shackles of 4 3 3 which did not suit 
him having been removed. Berardi was again solid and Antenucci worked his socks 
off up front. Wood grew into the game, he still looks short of confidence and 
should have scored / laid it on a plate for someone else to score with 
10minutes to go which would have ended it as a contest. Silvesrtri had little 
to do, plucking one ball headed right at him on the line and diving to make one 
save near the end to ensure we kept the 3 points. Dallas was the only one below 
par and he did OK and worked hard.All of them (subs were all too late to do 
much) gave everything and looked like a team who wanted to win and who cared 
about it. They were roared on by a low but appreciative crowd, with both ends 
singing along at times.Cardiff were as poor a team as I have seen this season, 
and though they did Ok at the back they carried no threat at all up front until 
the last 15mins when we looked tired and panicky and Kenwyne Jones had us 
recalling Zamora and Ameobi in recent weeks.First half was all us but one 
scramble and Ante hitting the side netting apart, we struggled to really create 
clear cut chances. We were by far the better team and they went off to a 
rousing reception rather than boos at half time (there was sarcastic applause 
on 14 seconds when it was still 0-0 after the time Blackburn scored)I was so 
confident I even took up my wife's £10 bet offer when she texted me at half 
time (I have let her off paying me, I am that pleased!)We continued to control 
the game and a couple of good passing moves nearly brought us the rewards we 
deserved. Then came the moment of the match. Mowatt strode forward with the 
ball and we all screamed for him to pass to his left where we had a two man 
overlap - Alex knew better and hit a screamer that bent and moved and went 
right in the top corner - the keeper had to just stand and watch. We went 
mental - I pointed out that according to someone on the bus on Thursday, we 
have only been ahead for 3 minutes at home this season (v Burnley)- and we all 
wondered if we could hold on.We retreated a bit, they came out of their shell 
and despite the fact that we had the weekend off we started to look tired. A 
couple of half chances fell their way and they looked a bit dangerous with a 
couple of corners (one a free header right at Silvestri) I thought we may just 
hang on but was twitching a bit when Wood chased down the ball as the defender 
and keeper dallied over it, he won in and rounded the keeper - all he needed to 
do was pull it back to Ante or Mowatt(?) who were both free and could have put 
it into an empty net, but he chose to try and score himself from a tight angle, 
too tight as it turned out and he hit the side netting.Dallas was , correctly 
subbed, we wanted Bokata to come on to show we were going for it and to cause 
them problems but Byram got the nod. To be fair the couple of touches he got he 
did power into the box, rather than check back as he has been doing of late, 
but his crosses came to nothing. Philips came on and had one very wild shot, 
Doukara came on and controlled one ball with sublime skill (I am sure there is 
a player in there somewhere) but both these (and the Byram sub) were just there 
to run down the clock as the four extra minutes ticked by, the crowd showing 
thei

Re: [LU] cardiff

[Richard Naef]

as always thanks for the report Dave

> -Original Message-
> From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org]
> On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
> Sent: 04 November 2015 00:35
> To: Leeds List
> Subject: [LU] cardiff
> 
> Well the Welsh team were rubbish but we WON, at HOME, on a Tuesday
> NIGHT , against CARDIFF and boy, did the 17k diehards who turned up enjoy
> it. The atmosphere at the end was as if we had won a trophy not just a fairly
> meaningless run of the mill league game.I had an awful journey - train very
> late, very overcrowded and got later and later. Instead of getting drunk I
> only met my mates in the Pavilion for a couple of pints. Got there in time to
> hear Lorimer say he could not see us keeping a clean sheet but going for a 2
> 1 win. This was also the view of Terry Yorath who had all the fans in there
> clapping and cheering when he said he was not sure about the manager but
> we were going nowhere with Cellino in charge.Then to make matters worse I
> heard that Wooton was right back, Bellusci in the centre and that Murphy
> was starting. All 3 of them (and most of the other 8) had me eating my
> words - Wooton and Bellusci (alongside the impressive Cooper) did not put a
> foot wrong and Murphy played probably his best game for us - certainly the
> first hour, when, for once, not only did he spray the ball around but he even
> imposed himself on the game and dictated play. He was ably assisted in
> midfield by Cook and Mowatt who looked back to the player he was last
> season, the shackles of 4 3 3 which did not suit him having been removed.
> Berardi was again solid and Antenucci worked his socks off up front. Wood
> grew into the game, he still looks short of confidence and should have
> scored / laid it on a plate for someone else to score with 10minutes to go
> which would have ended it as a contest. Silvesrtri had little to do, plucking
> one ball headed right at him on the line and diving to make one save near
> the end to ensure we kept the 3 points. Dallas was the only one below par
> and he did OK and worked hard.All of them (subs were all too late to do
> much) gave everything and looked like a team who wanted to win and who
> cared about it. They were roared on by a low but appreciative crowd, with
> both ends singing along at times.Cardiff were as poor a team as I have seen
> this season, and though they did Ok at the back they carried no threat at all
> up front until the last 15mins when we looked tired and panicky and
> Kenwyne Jones had us recalling Zamora and Ameobi in recent weeks.First
> half was all us but one scramble and Ante hitting the side netting apart, we
> struggled to really create clear cut chances. We were by far the better team
> and they went off to a rousing reception rather than boos at half time (there
> was sarcastic applause on 14 seconds when it was still 0-0 after the time
> Blackburn scored)I was so confident I even took up my wife's £10 bet offer
> when she texted me at half time (I have let her off paying me, I am that
> pleased!)We continued to control the game and a couple of good passing
> moves nearly brought us the rewards we deserved. Then came the moment
> of the match. Mowatt strode forward with the ball and we all screamed for
> him to pass to his left where we had a two man overlap - Alex knew better
> and hit a screamer that bent and moved and went right in the top corner -
> the keeper had to just stand and watch. We went mental - I pointed out that
> according to someone on the bus on Thursday, we have only been ahead for
> 3 minutes at home this season (v Burnley)- and we all wondered if we could
> hold on.We retreated a bit, they came out of their shell and despite the fact
> that we had the weekend off we started to look tired. A couple of half
> chances fell their way and they looked a bit dangerous with a couple of
> corners (one a free header right at Silvestri) I thought we may just hang on
> but was twitching a bit when Wood chased down the ball as the defender
> and keeper dallied over it, he won in and rounded the keeper - all he
> needed to do was pull it back to Ante or Mowatt(?) who were both free and
> could have put it into an empty net, but he chose to try and score himself
> from a tight angle, too tight as it turned out and he hit the side
> netting.Dallas was , correctly subbed, we wanted Bokata to come on to show
> we were going for it and to cause them problems but Byram got the nod. To
> be fair the couple of touches he got he did power into the box, rather than
> check back as he has been doing of late, but his crosses came to nothing.
> Philips came on and had one very wild shot, Doukara came on and
> controlled one ball with sublime skill (I am sure there is a player in the

Re: [LU] cardiff

[Rob Heath]

Absolutely.your evocation of the atmosphere and mood amongst the
faithful is always hugely appreciated by this expat.
On 4 Nov 2015 18:15, "Richard Naef" <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:

> as always thanks for the report Dave
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org]
> > On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
> > Sent: 04 November 2015 00:35
> > To: Leeds List
> > Subject: [LU] cardiff
> >
> > Well the Welsh team were rubbish but we WON, at HOME, on a Tuesday
> > NIGHT , against CARDIFF and boy, did the 17k diehards who turned up enjoy
> > it. The atmosphere at the end was as if we had won a trophy not just a
> fairly
> > meaningless run of the mill league game.I had an awful journey - train
> very
> > late, very overcrowded and got later and later. Instead of getting drunk
> I
> > only met my mates in the Pavilion for a couple of pints. Got there in
> time to
> > hear Lorimer say he could not see us keeping a clean sheet but going for
> a 2
> > 1 win. This was also the view of Terry Yorath who had all the fans in
> there
> > clapping and cheering when he said he was not sure about the manager but
> > we were going nowhere with Cellino in charge.Then to make matters worse I
> > heard that Wooton was right back, Bellusci in the centre and that Murphy
> > was starting. All 3 of them (and most of the other 8) had me eating my
> > words - Wooton and Bellusci (alongside the impressive Cooper) did not
> put a
> > foot wrong and Murphy played probably his best game for us - certainly
> the
> > first hour, when, for once, not only did he spray the ball around but he
> even
> > imposed himself on the game and dictated play. He was ably assisted in
> > midfield by Cook and Mowatt who looked back to the player he was last
> > season, the shackles of 4 3 3 which did not suit him having been removed.
> > Berardi was again solid and Antenucci worked his socks off up front. Wood
> > grew into the game, he still looks short of confidence and should have
> > scored / laid it on a plate for someone else to score with 10minutes to
> go
> > which would have ended it as a contest. Silvesrtri had little to do,
> plucking
> > one ball headed right at him on the line and diving to make one save near
> > the end to ensure we kept the 3 points. Dallas was the only one below par
> > and he did OK and worked hard.All of them (subs were all too late to do
> > much) gave everything and looked like a team who wanted to win and who
> > cared about it. They were roared on by a low but appreciative crowd, with
> > both ends singing along at times.Cardiff were as poor a team as I have
> seen
> > this season, and though they did Ok at the back they carried no threat
> at all
> > up front until the last 15mins when we looked tired and panicky and
> > Kenwyne Jones had us recalling Zamora and Ameobi in recent weeks.First
> > half was all us but one scramble and Ante hitting the side netting
> apart, we
> > struggled to really create clear cut chances. We were by far the better
> team
> > and they went off to a rousing reception rather than boos at half time
> (there
> > was sarcastic applause on 14 seconds when it was still 0-0 after the time
> > Blackburn scored)I was so confident I even took up my wife's £10 bet
> offer
> > when she texted me at half time (I have let her off paying me, I am that
> > pleased!)We continued to control the game and a couple of good passing
> > moves nearly brought us the rewards we deserved. Then came the moment
> > of the match. Mowatt strode forward with the ball and we all screamed for
> > him to pass to his left where we had a two man overlap - Alex knew better
> > and hit a screamer that bent and moved and went right in the top corner -
> > the keeper had to just stand and watch. We went mental - I pointed out
> that
> > according to someone on the bus on Thursday, we have only been ahead for
> > 3 minutes at home this season (v Burnley)- and we all wondered if we
> could
> > hold on.We retreated a bit, they came out of their shell and despite the
> fact
> > that we had the weekend off we started to look tired. A couple of half
> > chances fell their way and they looked a bit dangerous with a couple of
> > corners (one a free header right at Silvestri) I thought we may just
> hang on
> > but was twitching a bit when Wood chased down the ball as the defender
> > and keeper dallied over it, he won in and rounded the keeper - all he
> > needed to do was pull it back to Ante or Mowatt(?) who were bot

[LU] cardiff

[nat...@sky.com]

Well the Welsh team were rubbish but we WON, at HOME, on a Tuesday NIGHT , 
against CARDIFF and boy, did the 17k diehards who turned up enjoy it. The 
atmosphere at the end was as if we had won a trophy not just a fairly 
meaningless run of the mill league game.I had an awful journey - train very 
late, very overcrowded and got later and later. Instead of getting drunk I only 
met my mates in the Pavilion for a couple of pints. Got there in time to hear 
Lorimer say he could not see us keeping a clean sheet but going for a 2 1 win. 
This was also the view of Terry Yorath who had all the fans in there clapping 
and cheering when he said he was not sure about the manager but we were going 
nowhere with Cellino in charge.Then to make matters worse I heard that Wooton 
was right back, Bellusci in the centre and that Murphy was starting. All 3 of 
them (and most of the other 8) had me eating my words - Wooton and Bellusci 
(alongside the impressive Cooper) did not put a foot wrong and Murphy played 
probably his best game for us - certainly the first hour, when, for once, not 
only did he spray the ball around but he even imposed himself on the game and 
dictated play. He was ably assisted in midfield by Cook and Mowatt who looked 
back to the player he was last season, the shackles of 4 3 3 which did not suit 
him having been removed. Berardi was again solid and Antenucci worked his socks 
off up front. Wood grew into the game, he still looks short of confidence and 
should have scored / laid it on a plate for someone else to score with 
10minutes to go which would have ended it as a contest. Silvesrtri had little 
to do, plucking one ball headed right at him on the line and diving to make one 
save near the end to ensure we kept the 3 points. Dallas was the only one below 
par and he did OK and worked hard.All of them (subs were all too late to do 
much) gave everything and looked like a team who wanted to win and who cared 
about it. They were roared on by a low but appreciative crowd, with both ends 
singing along at times.Cardiff were as poor a team as I have seen this season, 
and though they did Ok at the back they carried no threat at all up front until 
the last 15mins when we looked tired and panicky and Kenwyne Jones had us 
recalling Zamora and Ameobi in recent weeks.First half was all us but one 
scramble and Ante hitting the side netting apart, we struggled to really create 
clear cut chances. We were by far the better team and they went off to a 
rousing reception rather than boos at half time (there was sarcastic applause 
on 14 seconds when it was still 0-0 after the time Blackburn scored)I was so 
confident I even took up my wife's £10 bet offer when she texted me at half 
time (I have let her off paying me, I am that pleased!)We continued to control 
the game and a couple of good passing moves nearly brought us the rewards we 
deserved. Then came the moment of the match. Mowatt strode forward with the 
ball and we all screamed for him to pass to his left where we had a two man 
overlap - Alex knew better and hit a screamer that bent and moved and went 
right in the top corner - the keeper had to just stand and watch. We went 
mental - I pointed out that according to someone on the bus on Thursday, we 
have only been ahead for 3 minutes at home this season (v Burnley)- and we all 
wondered if we could hold on.We retreated a bit, they came out of their shell 
and despite the fact that we had the weekend off we started to look tired. A 
couple of half chances fell their way and they looked a bit dangerous with a 
couple of corners (one a free header right at Silvestri) I thought we may just 
hang on but was twitching a bit when Wood chased down the ball as the defender 
and keeper dallied over it, he won in and rounded the keeper - all he needed to 
do was pull it back to Ante or Mowatt(?) who were both free and could have put 
it into an empty net, but he chose to try and score himself from a tight angle, 
too tight as it turned out and he hit the side netting.Dallas was , correctly 
subbed, we wanted Bokata to come on to show we were going for it and to cause 
them problems but Byram got the nod. To be fair the couple of touches he got he 
did power into the box, rather than check back as he has been doing of late, 
but his crosses came to nothing. Philips came on and had one very wild shot, 
Doukara came on and controlled one ball with sublime skill (I am sure there is 
a player in there somewhere) but both these (and the Byram sub) were just there 
to run down the clock as the four extra minutes ticked by, the crowd showing 
their concern by whistling and shouting for the final whistleIn the end the ref 
did blow and it was pandemonium in the stands. 8 months and 12 games of 
frustration and anger blown away in one glorious moment. To quote Rich 
(sarcastic or not) it did not make everything 'all well' but it certainly felt 
good. Hand shakes, smile, back slaps all round and fans still 

[LU] Cardiff

[Nick]

Well that was an extremely depressing experience. A poor loss, to a poor team, 
in (admittedly) poor conditions. There were no redeeming features that I can 
remember. 

Even our goal, while being nice for the young lad, was born of 2 huge pieces of 
luck - the wind holding up the high cross and then the keeper slipping as he 
tried to readjust his position.

Among the things it said to me were:

- as a team (club?) our self confidence is shot through once again - this has 
been a common theme for years - its not just this manager or this chairman - I 
can’t believe in some ways that this is the same Leeds I used to love in part 
because they never gave up. Eventually I am hope that enough of the young lads 
will come through with a kind of gang mentality that will bring this back…but 
who knows, we’ve got it hold onto them first

- once again our back 5 wilt at the first sign of pressure - Wootton is a 
disaster a RBack; is there really no one better in that position in the 
reserves? Bellucci - too randomly prone to major gaffes and has zero pace; 
Bamba - yeah, Ok he’s done some good things and I have seen more good than bad 
from him so far, so I want to give him time, but yesterday was a car crash from 
him; Breradi - despite his occasionally wild challenges, seems to be the best 
placed and most comfortable defender…and he can play a bit…seems to link well 
with Taylor down the left; Silvestri - sadly is the best keeper we have - I 
reckon he on average he make around 2 “goal-saving” interventions a game - he 
made a great save yesterday when the fella was through one on one after Bamba’s 
ludicrous back pass - even if the ref gave a dead ball. But he doesn’t come for 
crosses, he doesn’t inspire confidence in his defence and he doesn’t command 
his area. As a unit they were all over the place time and again yesterday, they 
don’t seem to talk to each other and Silvestri doesn’t seem to talk to anyone - 
you lose count of how many times Bamba or Bellucci turn round and try and 
exhort some kind of calling from him during the game.

- and we don’t learn - their first goal: a sweet corner, flicked on from the 
penalty spot to a bloke lurking at the far post who was unmarked and knocked it 
in - they repeated this move at least two more times during the game and we 
only just got away with scrambled defending…their second goal was only a slight 
variation on the theme. Footballers/coaches who don’t think and adapt during 
the game are going nowhere

- our midfield looses a lot of its forward momentum and drive when we don’t 
have Cook and Austin in there.

- Antenucci is head and shoulders above the other forwards, but what yesterday 
proved was that you could have Messi up front, its totally pointless if he gets 
no service. I would be surprised if he touched the ball 20 times yesterday

- efforts on goal…Byram at the back post, shot blocked; a dribbler from 
Antenucci; Taylor at the back post, took too long, smothered; Sharp’s header 
against the bar…

- Morrison peeled away at the back post, got a clear header, planted it in the 
Kop…somebody in the crowd shouted something, Morrison obviously heard, turned, 
looked like he was going to have a go…eyeballed the caller for a minute then 
jogged away.

- Philips - he’s young and it was his home debut - so these are just opening 
observations - he needs to step up the speed of reaction time (get with the 
pace of the game)..it will come. There were more than half a dozen times 
yesterday, when he was in the right place, first to the ball, or first to 
control the ball and then he took a beat too long to use it and someone was 
back in at him and had the ball away from him. Also, you could see what he was 
trying to do with some passes, but things close down quicker in these games 
than those he’s used to…he’ll be interesting to watch. He also could probably 
do to do a Mowatt and get into better physical shape to help him with that. BTW 
Mowatt was dreadful yesterday.


The only 3 or 4 that earned their corn yesterday for me were Byram, Taylor, 
Murphy and possibly Breradi. The rest…pish.

At least on Tuesday we’ll see a proper Leeds midfielder...






___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

John 'Grampa' Sykes
Rest In Peace old lad
28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013
MARCHING ON TOGETHER

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[nat...@sky.com]

I am a bit surprised at Cardiff, I totally agree with them refusing a bubble 
trip - think they are a total joke and a real infringement of our civil 
liberties , as they say 'going to football is not a crime'. Having said that i 
think they should have accepted the 500 without restrictions - albeit at the 
same time complaining and pointing out it is against the rules. Then if there 
is no problem, they can argue from a strong position that they should be 
allowed 2,000 next time (albeit I doubt they would sell them). If on the other 
hand there were to be lots of trouble it would be their own fault if a bubble 
trip were then enforcedDave
Nick
just to add a bit about the lack of away fans Dave…despite that there were 
more plod all over the place than I’ve seen for years…that truly was money for 
doing jack yesterday.







  
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

John 'Grampa' Sykes
Rest In Peace old lad
28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013
MARCHING ON TOGETHER

Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Nick]

just to add a bit about the lack of away fans Dave…despite that there were more 
plod all over the place than I’ve seen for years…that truly was money for doing 
jack yesterday.

Agree with the report.




 On 11 Apr 2015, at 20:14, nat...@sky.com wrote:
 
 Last 3 home games and we have had absolutely nothing to enjoy in any of them. 
 Today was Forest and Blackburn mark iii. We lost and deserved to lose, and on 
 this occasion we lost to one of the poorest teams to come to ER and go away 
 with 3 points. We have no excuses, no explanations, no-one to blame. We have 
 seen us lose to Preston and Birmingham when we could not cope with a big lad 
 up front, we have been outclassed by any number of teams - think Cardiff with 
 Bellamy in their side, we have self imploded (Rachubka v Blackpool) and we 
 have been 'robbed' by dodgy referees or had 'just one of those days'. This 
 was none of these, we lost to a very poor team because we were worse than 
 poor. Yes the weather with gusting winds playing a part did not help us, but 
 that is no excuse. We basically had one great move that ended with Byram 
 controlling it with his first touch and hitting it with his second. We did 
 nothing else of note in the whole game. We had Antenucci on his own up front 
 to start and Phillips kept his place. Neither of these really worked and both 
 were subbed to be replaced with Morison and Sharp. The replacements went on 
 to show why they do not deserve a start. Elsewhere Bamba played more like 
 Bambi and Silvestri showed that we need a keeper who can do more than just 
 save the odd shot.The goals all lacked quality and summed up the game as a 
 whole. First a corner was not cleared, Silvestri saved but palmed it straight 
 back to the attacker who prodded home. Our goal was a follow on from the 
 Wolves gifts last week, a hopeful cross into the box, the keeper was fooled 
 by the wind and then fell over and it left Phillips with the first , and 
 however long he plays , the easiest goal of his career. Instead of building 
 on this we let them have a few more chances - the best when Bamba missed the 
 ball and their lad was through one on one but he messed it up (I thought 
 Silvestri saved but ref gave a dead ball so maybe he pulled it wide)Not much 
 else hap
 pened till they got another corner later on and another goal as our defence 
 let them have a free header, Silvestri again seemed to get a touch to the 
 first attempt and was helpless for the follow up. So just when we thought 
 that Bamba had solved our defensive woes and that corners would not be our 
 undoing, he had a nightmare and they got 2 goals from straightforward corners 
 hit into the box, nothing clever about them.
 We huffed and puffed a bit but to no effect and the game as has the season, 
 just fizzled out to a chorus of boos and general disenchantment among the 
 fans. It was strange to have no away fans in the ground but is was poor play 
 and a lack of effort and skill that killed the atmosphere
 So with Norwich to come on Tuesday and then Rotherham as our last home game 
 the season cannot end early enough for us all
 Dave
 ___
 Leedslist mailing list
 Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
 To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
 
 John 'Grampa' Sykes
 Rest In Peace old lad
 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013
 MARCHING ON TOGETHER

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

John 'Grampa' Sykes
Rest In Peace old lad
28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013
MARCHING ON TOGETHER

[LU] Cardiff

[nat...@sky.com]

Last 3 home games and we have had absolutely nothing to enjoy in any of them. 
Today was Forest and Blackburn mark iii. We lost and deserved to lose, and on 
this occasion we lost to one of the poorest teams to come to ER and go away 
with 3 points. We have no excuses, no explanations, no-one to blame. We have 
seen us lose to Preston and Birmingham when we could not cope with a big lad up 
front, we have been outclassed by any number of teams - think Cardiff with 
Bellamy in their side, we have self imploded (Rachubka v Blackpool) and we have 
been 'robbed' by dodgy referees or had 'just one of those days'. This was none 
of these, we lost to a very poor team because we were worse than poor. Yes the 
weather with gusting winds playing a part did not help us, but that is no 
excuse. We basically had one great move that ended with Byram controlling it 
with his first touch and hitting it with his second. We did nothing else of 
note in the whole game. We had Antenucci on his own up front 
 to start and Phillips kept his place. Neither of these really worked and both 
were subbed to be replaced with Morison and Sharp. The replacements went on to 
show why they do not deserve a start. Elsewhere Bamba played more like Bambi 
and Silvestri showed that we need a keeper who can do more than just save the 
odd shot.The goals all lacked quality and summed up the game as a whole. First 
a corner was not cleared, Silvestri saved but palmed it straight back to the 
attacker who prodded home. Our goal was a follow on from the Wolves gifts last 
week, a hopeful cross into the box, the keeper was fooled by the wind and then 
fell over and it left Phillips with the first , and however long he plays , the 
easiest goal of his career. Instead of building on this we let them have a few 
more chances - the best when Bamba missed the ball and their lad was through 
one on one but he messed it up (I thought Silvestri saved but ref gave a dead 
ball so maybe he pulled it wide)Not much else hap
 pened till they got another corner later on and another goal as our defence 
let them have a free header, Silvestri again seemed to get a touch to the first 
attempt and was helpless for the follow up. So just when we thought that Bamba 
had solved our defensive woes and that corners would not be our undoing, he had 
a nightmare and they got 2 goals from straightforward corners hit into the box, 
nothing clever about them.
We huffed and puffed a bit but to no effect and the game as has the season, 
just fizzled out to a chorus of boos and general disenchantment among the fans. 
It was strange to have no away fans in the ground but is was poor play and a 
lack of effort and skill that killed the atmosphere
So with Norwich to come on Tuesday and then Rotherham as our last home game the 
season cannot end early enough for us all
Dave
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

John 'Grampa' Sykes
Rest In Peace old lad
28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013
MARCHING ON TOGETHER

[LU] Cardiff line up

[Richard Naef]

Leeds United: Silvestri, Berardi, Bellusci, Pearce, Warnock, Bianchi, Cook,
Mowatt, Doukara, Antenucci, Morison

Subs: S Taylor, Byram, Cooper, Tonge, Sloth, Dawson, Montenegro


No major changes but Not sure what formation that is, 4-3-3?Adryan
nowhere to be seen, but Dawson and Montenegro on the bench is interesting.

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

John 'Grampa' Sykes
Rest In Peace old lad
28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013
MARCHING ON TOGETHER

Re: [LU] Cardiff line up

[Richard Walker]

Adryan is injured and apparently Byram has a slight knock which is why he is on 
the bench (officially).
I think Cellino has picked Beradi. 

As for the selection, brave selection playing Doukara , Antenucci and Morrison 
in the same team. Wouldn't be my choice. 


On Saturday, 1 November 2014, 14:20, Richard Naef 
rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk wrote:
 


Leeds United: Silvestri, Berardi, Bellusci, Pearce, Warnock, Bianchi, Cook,
Mowatt, Doukara, Antenucci, Morison

Subs: S Taylor, Byram, Cooper, Tonge, Sloth, Dawson, Montenegro


No major changes but Not sure what formation that is, 4-3-3?Adryan
nowhere to be seen, but Dawson and Montenegro on the bench is interesting.

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

John 'Grampa' Sykes
Rest In Peace old lad
28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013
MARCHING ON TOGETHER
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

John 'Grampa' Sykes
Rest In Peace old lad
28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013
MARCHING ON TOGETHER

Re: [LU] Cardiff line up

[wayne callaghan]

   3 strikers not working, only antennucci seems to be trying to make
   space for the midfield to find him.
   Poor game, Cardiff the better side , hopefully a halftime change or 2
   will see an improvement.

   Wayne

   On Sat, Nov 01, 2014 at 2:37 pm, Richard Walker
   [1]richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Adryan is injured and apparently Byram has a slight knock which is
 why he is on the bench (officially).
 I think Cellino has picked Beradi.
 As for the selection, brave selection playing Doukara , Antenucci
 and Morrison in the same team. Wouldn't be my choice.
 On Saturday, 1 November 2014, 14:20, Richard Naef
 rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk wrote:
 Leeds United: Silvestri, Berardi, Bellusci, Pearce, Warnock,
 Bianchi, Cook,
 Mowatt, Doukara, Antenucci, Morison
 Subs: S Taylor, Byram, Cooper, Tonge, Sloth, Dawson, Montenegro
 No major changes but Not sure what formation that is, 4-3-3?
 Adryan
 nowhere to be seen, but Dawson and Montenegro on the bench is
 interesting.
 ___
 Leedslist mailing list
 Info and options:
 http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
 To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
 John 'Grampa' Sykes
 Rest In Peace old lad
 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013
 MARCHING ON TOGETHER
 ___
 Leedslist mailing list
 Info and options:
 http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
 To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org
 John 'Grampa' Sykes
 Rest In Peace old lad
 28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013
 MARCHING ON TOGETHER

References

   1. mailto:richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

John 'Grampa' Sykes
Rest In Peace old lad
28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013
MARCHING ON TOGETHER

Re: [LU] Cardiff line up

[Richard Naef]

 
3 strikers not working, only antennucci seems to be trying to make
space for the midfield to find him.
Poor game, Cardiff the better side , hopefully a halftime change or 2
will see an improvement.

Time for Cellino to Sack Redfearn, get someone else in  

___
Leedslist mailing list
Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist
To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org

John 'Grampa' Sykes
Rest In Peace old lad
28th Oct 1938 - 12 Nov 2013
MARCHING ON TOGETHER