Re: flat stock clamping

[Cole Andrews]

Thank you all , prayers are greatly appreciated.

On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 11:33 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
Mills  wrote:
>
> Welcome back Cole!
>
> I am glad to here you are still around. Although I am sorry to hear about 
> your Cancer.
> I too, will be Praying for you.
>
> take care.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Wednesday, June 12, 2024 at 06:46:36 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
>  wrote:
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>
> Oh hey Praying for fast recovery, and healing. Keep in touch.
>
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2024, 4:51 PM Cole Andrews  wrote:
>
> Right now I am working on my Icon corner ,we're orthodox . I am on
> disability right due to cancer so I work on it on days when I feel
> good
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 2:51 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
> >
> > Hey Cole,
> >
> > Great to hear from you. Can you share a few pix of what you're doing?
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Timothy J. Ziegler
> > Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> > Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> > 14171 160th Ave.
> > Foreston MN 56330
> >
> > 320-294-5798 shop
> > 320-630-2243 cell
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 2:08 PM Cole Andrews  
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes already trying to go that direction for as many jigs as I can.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 9:43 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Yeah that is pretty slick Bill, thanks for sharing that.
> >> >
> >> > Kind Regards,
> >> >
> >> > Timothy J. Ziegler
> >> > Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> >> > Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> >> > 14171 160th Ave.
> >> > Foreston MN 56330
> >> >
> >> > 320-294-5798 shop
> >> > 320-630-2243 cell
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 6:28 PM  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaCgoUQilVQ&t=4s&ab_channel=MICROJIG
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I think this system might be really good for flat stock work on the 
> >> >> legacy, just mill up a base board mount it to the rails and set up your 
> >> >> work.
> >> >>
> >> >> Also would work on the rotary table too. I think this is just what we 
> >> >> need for our mills what do you all think?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Bill
> >> >>
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Re: flat stock clamping

[Cole Andrews]

Yes already trying to go that direction for as many jigs as I can.

On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 9:43 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
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> Yeah that is pretty slick Bill, thanks for sharing that.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 6:28 PM  wrote:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaCgoUQilVQ&t=4s&ab_channel=MICROJIG
>>
>>
>>
>> I think this system might be really good for flat stock work on the legacy, 
>> just mill up a base board mount it to the rails and set up your work.
>>
>> Also would work on the rotary table too. I think this is just what we need 
>> for our mills what do you all think?
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
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Re: LOM Purchase

[Cole Andrews]

Thanks , I just saw this , how do we swap funds , don’t forget to add some
for shipping. Thank you for doing this.
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On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 8:36 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Good morning all,
>
> Thanks to all that have purchased parts from this machine. I am working on
> packaging and shipping them currently.
> Once I have everything shipped and a good idea of what is left I will post
> pics of what is left to sell as well.
> So stay tuned for updates.
>
> I will continue with updates on shipping processes privately for those
> that bought parts.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> 
> Foreston MN 56330
> 
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
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>
> On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 10:07 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>  wrote:
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>> Sorry Jeff, your message was marked SPAM. (no idea why?) So I am
>> re-posting this to the group/Tim's LOM .
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> If it works out, I would be interested in the vertical vise. (From the
>> left side under the machine, it’s the 2nd item going to the right)
>>
>> I can’t see what’s else is in the box but maybe a rotary table drive
>> shaft?
>>
>> Jeff from Connecticut
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 10:35:04 PM EDT, Jeff Richmond <
>> jtrichmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> If it works out, I would be interested in the vertical vise. (From the
>> left side under the machine, it’s the 2nd item going to the right)
>>
>> I can’t see what’s else is in the box but maybe a rotary table drive
>> shaft?
>>
>> Jeff from Connecticut
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2023, at 10:28 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hey, I have legacy very close to me I would buy if I can part out
>> and sell the parts. Anyone interested in anything on it?
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/7041390955892736/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A121e9fe7-94d8-4ea9-b548-a4b6617ea9a3
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> 
>> Foreston MN 56330
>> 
>>
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Re: LOM Purchase

[Cole Andrews]

I would be interested in a thin stock support or follower. Thank you
for being so considerate.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 5:50 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
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> Good morning Ken,
>
> I will do some looking back and see what they have been going for and be 
> reasonable for you.
> Shipping will be calculated upon packaging and weight of course.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 5:28 AM Ken and Diana  wrote:
>>
>>I would be interested in the rotary table, if the price is right. 
>> (reasonable)
>> Thanks for offering to do this.
>> I am located in Pa.
>> Ken
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 10:28 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey, I have legacy very close to me I would buy if I can part out
>>> and sell the parts. Anyone interested in anything on it?
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/7041390955892736/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A121e9fe7-94d8-4ea9-b548-a4b6617ea9a3
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
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Re: Using the Rotary Table w/LongWorth Chuck attachment

[Cole Andrews]

Thats an awesome idea.

On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 8:54 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> So several months ago I made this adapter to allow me to attach
> my LongWorth Chuck to my Rotary table to give me a better way to
> hold projects then using double stick tape or holding blocks etc...
> So recently I have a bowl on my lathe that decided to go it's separate way
> during turning. Once I caught up to the bowl I realized the base where I
> had dovetailed to fit the chuck, had broken. So as you can see in the first 
> couple pics I am flatting it to be able to glue another new piece to it. Once 
> flattened
> I glued a new base to it, and then clamped it up again and with a spiral bit
> proceeded to round it and get it centered and trued again. I had to take very 
> light passes at first. Once it was rounded it did not grab any longer.
> I really like the LongWorth addition to my Rotary table and it works well if 
> I make sure it's very snug. I did have a bit of trouble with it grabbing a 
> couple times but the rounder it got the better it worked, as I mentioned 
> earlier. Not a perfect way to do things but sure is another good clamping 
> method.
> I am open to questions and comments.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
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Re: Bone turning 101 question's

[Cole Andrews]

Yes we are watching or trying to with my other things going on. I am
glad you have these videos and picts archived . Thank you  a big THANK
YOU . I really like the look of this bone stuff , makrs it look really
classy. just wondering for times sake have you tried faux bone or
ivory..

On Thu, Jul 6, 2023 at 6:13 AM  wrote:
>
> Yes great info, curt is definitely our go to man for everything bone,
>
> Its just a shame all the questions that curt are receiving are not being 
> asked through the
>
> group so everyone can share and learn at least curt is answering on the group 
> thank
>
> you for that. there does seem to be a large bone working culture out there
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
> Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 8:55 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bone turning 101 question's
>
>
>
> Great information and all you who are reading about the bone turning it is 
> super fun
>
> and rewarding. Curt got me hooked on it. I enjoy the process as much as the 
> turning of the
>
> handle that comes from the process. Use dust extraction and a Mask and air 
> out your shop.
>
> You will have a lot of fun with it.
>
> Thank you Curt for all the time you spent teaching me this process.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
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>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 6, 2023 at 12:07 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  wrote:
>
> Hello
>
>
>
> I'm sorry to say, it was looking like our group was in life support.
>
> Yes we may not have a lot of people talking on the group page at this time. 
> But people are reading
>
> what we wright and asking questions about what we are doing, and WHY?
>
>
>
> Today, I had/have a number of private E-mails, Some of these messages
>
> Ask some pretty in-depth questions that I would like to shear with you all.
>
>
>
> First off, On bone turnings. the processing of the bone is the hard part of 
> this hole process.
>
> In all my videos, (ON Bill's web site. 
> https://www.youtube.com/@aussiman77181/videos ) I state to cut the bone in 
> half and then try to get them as flat as possible.
>
> The flatter you can get the bone the thicker the bone disk will be.
>
> After processing some bone this weekend. I found my process has changed a 
> little. I  found that
>
> cutting in half dose not work as well as cutting the bone into thirds (1/3) 
> This process give me one large
>
> flat plate and one 2/3 bone that can be cut in half to make up THE other 2 
> plates that can be easily cut into disks.
>
>
>
> I made an Alum. template to show the proper spacing for the holes of the hole 
> saw, This template if aligned up with the end of the bone plate, I then can 
> mark the location of every disk that I want to cut. This  speeds up the 
> process greatly, and it also help limit the waist.
>
>
>
>  The hole saws.
>
> I go into depth on the barrel trimmer and hole-saw combo. but I do not go 
> into detail on the second hole saw that I use to cut the disk out form the 
> bone.  On this diamond hole-saw I used my metal grinding wheel to cut out a 
> large opening in/on one side of the hole-saw. this cut gives me easy access 
> to the bone so when it gets jammed into the hole saw, it make getting a punch 
> or screw drive inside the hole saw to easily push the jammed disk out of the 
> hole saw.  NOTE: do not push with pressure on the disk, just touch each of 
> the sides of the disk and the disk will easily fall out.
>
> I have found if you cut with a plunging cut and then out, the debris/bone 
> dust will not build up and jam the disk in place as badly.
>
> I have also found if I set my depth of cut stop so it will not cut all the 
> way through the bone, it make it easer to then push the bone disk out of the 
> bone body, instead of letting it get jammed in the hole-saw.
>
> The sanding the bone disks flat and parallel is a easy job for the machinist 
> V block and sanding disk.  I put the flat side of the disk onto the V block 
> and then using a straight edge as my guide, I sand both sides of the disk to 
> make sure all defects are removed, and to make sure that the disk is flat.
>
> last thing is the Hydroperoxide I soak the bones in, is normal 2-3% drug 
> store grade. I let the bone soak for appx. a week. and then dry them off.  I 
> did state about drying the bone in a de-hydrator or white rice. but I find 
> that if I just make sure the bone is dry to touch on both sides the bone 
> really dose not need any extra process to dry out. (note: my last batch was 
> just left to dry on an old baking sheet. and I just flipped the disks over a 
> few times.)
>
> The turning is the easy part. on both the Lathe and on my Legacy's.   designs 
> and elements are up to you.
>
>
>
> Last note. bone dust is not good to breath, I ware a receptor when cutting 
> the disks.
>
>
>
> I

Re: Pilaster molding kit

[Cole Andrews]

I just saw another post , yes they definitely used screws.

On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 2:16 PM Cole Andrews  wrote:
>
> I would have to look at my set when I get home , but I remember a
> 10/24 screw going through each end  into a threaded insert on the
> pilaster dog. After you finish turning you cut those pieces off
>
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 1:42 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
> >
> > thanks again Dan, so if I recall I used screws or stove bolts I would have 
> > to revisit the process my self.
> > Someone else may jump in with different ideas??
> > I think they are threaded but now I'll have to go out and look again.
> >
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Timothy J. Ziegler
> > Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> > 14171 160th Ave.
> > Foreston MN 56330
> >
> > 320-294-5798 shop
> > 320-630-2243 cell
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 11:53 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
> >>
> >> Started this new conversation about pilaster molding to branch off the 
> >> lengthy Design Kit conversation.
> >>
> >> The idea is clever and the holding kit is easily made in metal using a 
> >> square tube or wood.  So that is a route I will take.
> >>
> >> One thought I had is that the design shown does not yield a full 1/4 
> >> section of the turning it represents.  In some cases that may not matter.  
> >> I've been known to quarter a full turning on the tablesaw, so one creates 
> >> a similar less than full quarter section of the turning by removing the 
> >> saw kerf.  The only way to get a full quarter section is to glue up four 
> >> pieces with newspaper separators that easily split apart when done turning 
> >> but hold strong enough to do the turning.  A full quarter section molding 
> >> applied appears bold next to a reclusive less than full quarter section. 
> >> Sometimes the difference is so subtle that it doesn't matter, and perhaps 
> >> sometimes the reclusive appearance is desirable. It's a concept I hadn't 
> >> spent much time thinking about in my 60 years woodworking!
> >>
> >> A second thought is something I must have missed along the line.  How is 
> >> the pilaster piece actually secured to the jig?
> >>
> >> DanK
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Re: Pilaster molding kit

[Cole Andrews]

I would have to look at my set when I get home , but I remember a
10/24 screw going through each end  into a threaded insert on the
pilaster dog. After you finish turning you cut those pieces off

On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 1:42 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> thanks again Dan, so if I recall I used screws or stove bolts I would have to 
> revisit the process my self.
> Someone else may jump in with different ideas??
> I think they are threaded but now I'll have to go out and look again.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2023 at 11:53 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>
>> Started this new conversation about pilaster molding to branch off the 
>> lengthy Design Kit conversation.
>>
>> The idea is clever and the holding kit is easily made in metal using a 
>> square tube or wood.  So that is a route I will take.
>>
>> One thought I had is that the design shown does not yield a full 1/4 section 
>> of the turning it represents.  In some cases that may not matter.  I've been 
>> known to quarter a full turning on the tablesaw, so one creates a similar 
>> less than full quarter section of the turning by removing the saw kerf.  The 
>> only way to get a full quarter section is to glue up four pieces with 
>> newspaper separators that easily split apart when done turning but hold 
>> strong enough to do the turning.  A full quarter section molding applied 
>> appears bold next to a reclusive less than full quarter section. Sometimes 
>> the difference is so subtle that it doesn't matter, and perhaps sometimes 
>> the reclusive appearance is desirable. It's a concept I hadn't spent much 
>> time thinking about in my 60 years woodworking!
>>
>> A second thought is something I must have missed along the line.  How is the 
>> pilaster piece actually secured to the jig?
>>
>> DanK
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Re: Legacy Design Kit

[Cole Andrews]

i will make copies at work , dont have a scanner at home , be glad to
mail it to you.

On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 10:01 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>
> Cole,
>
> Do you happen to have a copy of the "3 - Router Bit Keys for easy 
> identification of the bits"?
>
> If so, are they something that can be emailed or snail-mailed?  If they are, 
> I'd like to work something out with you to get a copy.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mac
>
> 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Mar 14, 2023 7:34 PM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Legacy Design Kit
>
>
>
> Nat can email me so I can get his address.. mine iscoleandrew...@gmail.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 13, 2023, at 9:45 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>
> Your right mac there isn’t anything about a piece of plexiglass I guess 
> that’s why I don’t know anything about it lol
>
>
>
> The other thing that the design kit doesn’t have which need making is 
> templates for all the combination bits
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of M.W.Foscue
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 March 2023 11:59 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Legacy Design Kit
>
>
>
> According to the below images of the Design Kit - it states "The Legacy 
> Design Kit consists of:
>
> and it lists the components.  Nowhere in that list is any mention of a "blank 
> sheet of plexiglas".
>
> I suspect it was something the earlier owner added/used(?) - but was not a 
> component of the kit when purchased new.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a copy of the "3 - Router Bit Keys for easy identification 
> of the bits"?
>
> A bought my Design Kit from someone in our Group - and it did not have them.
>
> I'd sure like to get a copy - if possible.
>
>
>
> The other question I have:
>
> Has anyone ever taken a Design Kit sheet (round, long rectangle, or both) to 
> a copy shop, like Staples, FedEx, etc. and had copies made?  If so, how'd 
> they turn out and what was the cost?
>
>
>
> Here's an early "Happy St Patrick's Day" wish to all of ya'll!!
>
> Mac
>
> 
> 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Mar 13, 2023 5:27 PM
> To: 
> Subject: RE: Legacy Design Kit
>
>
>
> That’s great Cole I’m sure Nat will be contacting you soon ,you know I still 
> don’t know what the large blank sheet of plexiglass
>
> Is for, maybe its just to keep the paper from getting creases in it ???
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Cole Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 March 2023 3:25 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Legacy Design Kit
>
>
>
> I might have some extra templates , when I bought mine they sent extra of 
> some and none of the others , took awhile to get straight.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 12:06 AM Nathaniel Bacon  wrote:
>
> To all "Google Legacy Group" members:
>
>
>
> Included in a recent purchase was a box labeled "Design Kit".  The kit only 
> contained:
>
> One large blank sheet of plexiglass
>
> Three 50-page pads of 11" x 39" spindle layout graph paper
>
> Two -- square pads of 13" round layout paper
>
>
>
> Missing were:
>
> The three clear acrylic templates
>
> The 12 sample designs
>
> The "How-to-do" VHS Tape
>
>
>
> Question:
>
> If I provide the large paper, would one of the members be willing to copy the 
> clear acrylic templates onto the paper?   From there I would make the 
> templates.
>
>
>
> Also, if I provide the large paper, would one of the members be willing to 
> copy the "sample Designs" onto the paper?  From there I would make the 
> templates.
>
>
>
> Lastly, would one of the members be willing to send me their VHS tape to copy 
> and return their VHS
>
> 
> 
> 
>
> tape?
>
>
>
> A word Doc showing the Legacy "Design Kit" information in the Legacy 
> instruction manual is attached.
>
>
>
> Nat
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Re: Legacy Design Kit

[Cole Andrews]

Nat can email me so I can get his address.. mine is    coleandrew...@gmail.comSent from my iPhoneOn Mar 13, 2023, at 9:45 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:Your right mac there isn’t anything about a piece of plexiglass I guess that’s why I don’t know anything about it lol The other thing that the design kit doesn’t have which need making is templates for all the combination bits   Bill  From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.W.FoscueSent: Tuesday, 14 March 2023 11:59 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Legacy Design Kit According to the below images of the Design Kit - it states "The Legacy Design Kit consists of:and it lists the components.  Nowhere in that list is any mention of a "blank sheet of plexiglas".I suspect it was something the earlier owner added/used(?) - but was not a component of the kit when purchased new. Does anyone have a copy of the "3 - Router Bit Keys for easy identification of the bits"?A bought my Design Kit from someone in our Group - and it did not have them.I'd sure like to get a copy - if possible. The other question I have: Has anyone ever taken a Design Kit sheet (round, long rectangle, or both) to a copy shop, like Staples, FedEx, etc. and had copies made?  If so, how'd they turn out and what was the cost? Here's an early "Happy St Patrick's Day" wish to all of ya'll!!Mac-Original Message-From: Sent: Mar 13, 2023 5:27 PMTo: Subject: RE: Legacy Design Kit That’s great Cole I’m sure Nat will be contacting you soon ,you know I still don’t know what the large blank sheet of plexiglassIs for, maybe its just to keep the paper from getting creases in it ??? Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cole AndrewsSent: Tuesday, 14 March 2023 3:25 AMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Legacy Design Kit I might have some extra templates , when I bought mine they sent extra of some and none of the others , took awhile to get straight. On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 12:06 AM Nathaniel Bacon  wrote:To all "Google Legacy Group" members: Included in a recent purchase was a box labeled "Design Kit".  The kit only contained:One large blank sheet of plexiglassThree 50-page pads of 11" x 39" spindle layout graph paperTwo -- square pads of 13" round layout paper Missing were:The three clear acrylic templatesThe 12 sample designsThe "How-to-do" VHS Tape Question:If I provide the large paper, would one of the members be willing to copy the clear acrylic templates onto the paper?   From there I would make the templates. Also, if I provide the large paper, would one of the members be willing to copy the "sample Designs" onto the paper?  From there I would make the templates. Lastly, would one of the members be willing to send me their VHS tape to copy and return their VHS tape? A word Doc showing the Legacy "Design Kit" information in the Legacy instruction manual is attached. Nat-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/d0c3deef-e6a9-4afc-bb21-864839bcc61bn%40googlegroups.com.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/CAM7C%3D9Br3ruhnGE2U-yWrhcUcqCWcwZCivt-pbs91h6tLSOqKQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/001101d955f2%247ec86850%247c5938f0%24%40mmnet.com.au. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/legacy-ornamental-mills/643afd6a-ff54-2368-776f-e4ec914e18a2%40earthlink.net.



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Re: Something to be said for havng gov't safety agencies?

[Cole Andrews]

The Dado blade thing has to do with how long it takes to quit spinning
, apparently with the extra mass it cant stop soon enough for their
standards.

On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 12:27 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
>
>
> Check this video out.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inp19QHyXqk
>
>
>
> I bet you will gain some appreciation for us (here in the United States) 
> having a government agency or two - like the Consumer Product Safety 
> Commission (CPSC) and Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) 
> that mandates at least some very basic machine and workplace safety 
> requirements!
>
>
>
> I bet these guys (and gals?) will not have all their digits intact 10 to 15 
> years from now - if not sooner.
>
>
>
> PS:  Related somewhat:  I've heard - but do not have confirmation - that the 
> European Union (EU) does not allow the use of dado blades in table saws.
>
> Does anyone know:
>
> 1,  If this is true.
>
> 2.  Why they do not allow dado blades
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Enjoy - and cringe!
>
> Mac
>
>
>
> Now go do something Awesome - for a friend, co-worker, or a stranger!
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Re: 1200 for parts.

[Cole Andrews]

I would be interested in a thin stock support or follower if it will
fit my 900 .

On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 9:27 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> I have an opportunity to pick up another 1200, within an hour or so from me.
> Would anyone be serious about buying parts from it, and if so what would you 
> want.
> It's pretty plain and no extra's at all with it. Looks like only the standard 
> gear set.
> no router, Older style tail stock.
> I would sell rails etc... It's on a wood stand and looks like it does not 
> have the
> acme up/down either.
> Let me know as it looks pretty straight. w/little surface rust.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
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Re: Shopping Request

[Cole Andrews]

is it available at woodcraft

On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 6:28 PM  wrote:
>
> I know what its like to want something that you can’t get because of shipping 
> problems if it was not for good friends I would not have half the stuff I do 
> now that is why I always try to help group members if I can because that is 
> what we all do here
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
> Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2022 2:41 AM
> To: LOM Group 
> Subject: Re: Shopping Request
>
>
>
> We're here for each other, whatever it takes. Super glad your able to get it 
> from WoodCraft.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 8:09 AM Brigitte Graham  
> wrote:
>
> Hi Boys,
>
> Thanks for all the input, On the Veritas website, Woodcraft were never shown 
> as being a stockist of their tools!
>
> I am pleased to say that I have now ordered this sharpening jig from 
> Woodcraft.
>
> Just you watch, now I have got what I wanted, Veritas will flood the world 
> with them and I would be able to get one from Axminster power tools in Devon!
>
> Thanks again for doing the detective work
>
> Cheers
>
> Legacy Widow
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 at 13:10, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> Hey Brigitte yes and WoodCraft is a fabulous company to work with as well.
>
> This would save you some money too.  Let me know.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 7:06 AM  wrote:
>
> This company ships international I just tried it
>
> https://www.woodcraft.com/products/veritas-sharpening-system
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
> Sent: Wednesday, 6 July 2022 8:55 PM
> To: LOM Group 
> Subject: Re: Shopping Request
>
>
>
> Hi Brigitte,,
>
>
>
> Either Mike or I can do this for you, as Bill indicated we would have double 
> shipping once to us and once to you.
>
> We would get all that figured out.  The item shows out of stock on our side 
> currently until August 15th. But it still could be ordered
>
> to get in the line of waiting if you'd like.
>
>
>
> Let me know if you're ready to move forward and if I can be of help then.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 1:27 AM Brigitte Graham  
> wrote:
>
> Morning Chaps,
>
> Sorry for the delay in following up the request for someone in USA/Canada to 
> do some shopping for me!
>
> The Veritas item from Lee Valley I would like to get my hands on is the 
> Veritas Sharpening System ~ (NOT the miniature Honing guide)
>
> Lee Valley cat No.  05M0210.
>
> I suspect that the carriage to the UK will be more than the cost of the 
> actual jig, but when all else fails.!
>
> I would be very grateful if we could look into the possibilities of one of 
> you (Mike or Tim?) buying this and sending it to me here in the UK?
>
> I will of course reimburse all costs.
>
> Fingers crossed.
>
> Legacy Widow
>
>
>
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 at 23:33, Okla Mike (Liltwisted)  
> wrote:
>
> What is the model number for the jig?  I'm sure there are other placed 
> besides the Lee Valley store that would have them in stock.
>
> Mike
>
> On 6/29/2022 5:16 PM, Brigitte Graham wrote:
>
> Veritas sharpening jig
>
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Re: REVO universal shaft

[Cole Andrews]

awesome guy to have around.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 12:07 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
Mills  wrote:
>
> Hello Dan
>
> Coming form a former Drunken Sailor, and form a person who thought math was 
> BS.  (while still in school.)
> I can say that is a very wide range of useful talents to have.
> You will (and have) become a very good member of the Group.  ;-)
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 12:33:54 PM EDT, 'Denson Ingram' via Legacy 
> Ornamental Mills  wrote:
>
>
> Wow!!! What an interesting career Dan.
> Denson
>
> Sent from Denson's iPhone
>
> On Jun 7, 2022, at 11:16 AM, Dan Krager  wrote:
>
> 
> What background?  My career path would trouble a drunken sailor. Wanted to be 
> mechanical engineer.  GF from NJ.  Long story short, BS in math let me teach 
> math to 7-8th graders in NY's largest jr high located in Rockland county.  
> 2700 in just 7-8th grade.  After four years I realized what the future of 
> teaching was, and it was not for me.  During those years I had a lot of time 
> to do woodworking and it became known that I would build to order.  Another 
> couple years bought the financially troubled shop, and turned it around while 
> working in the furniture factory on the first floor at night where the 
> non-english speaking Mexicans made dining room furniture (HIll Mfg).  I've 
> never seen anyone upholster a seat as fast as those guys and gals could! They 
> had quotas and I helped them improve their processes to the extent their 
> quotas were being met with superior quality in about 1/2 the time. I made 
> arrangements w boss to close the shift when their quotas were met 
> satisfactorily and that earned me a LOT of friends.  Never had to lock my 
> vehicle in that parking lot!  When that dried up, woodworking still would not 
> support family of three in the area, so got a CDL and drove semi up and down 
> east coast for several years, still doing the woodworking in between trips.  
> Lots of stories, including deliveries downtown Manhattan with biggest semi NY 
> would allow, 48' trailer at the time. That will teach one a few things.  
> Moved back to Princeton IL hometown realizing a good potential custom 
> woodworking market. But still had to have auxiliary income, sooo: tool room 
> pattern hand engraver for Jostens, ANSI standard draftsman work at a drafting 
> company, drove for Deans Food packaged milk and ice cream deliveries to 
> grocery stores throughout IL, bookkeeping computer programmer for  a machine 
> shop before CNC, 25 years of network engineering designing and maintaining 
> secure health system data, heavy equipment operator including fun things like 
> long stick lifting crane operator, concrete pump operator, bulldozer work, 
> telehandlers, etc. All the while doing custom woodworking projects 
> commercially in my one person shop.  I'm tired just thinking about it.
> DanK
>
>
> On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 9:25:55 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Wow you have my attention Dan. Very impressed. Excellent craftsmanship.
> I'm understanding that you must have some true metal working experience.
> You and Bill will have to start selling parts lol.
> What back ground do you have Dan?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
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>
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> 320-630-2243 cell
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> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 4:31 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
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>
> Finished up this project today.  Pretty stiff, but it will wear in quickly I 
> hope.  I'm hoping it isn't too hard on the delrin bearing of the turntable. 
> May have to set up a "wearing in" jig and run it at high speeds for a while.
>
> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 1:38:02 PM UTC-4 Dan Krager wrote:
>
> We seem to be limited to one picture per post because of size.  Is that 
> correct assumption?
>
> Progress on universal joints.  And new toys from Australia
>
> DanK
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Re: Patience has paid off

[Cole Andrews]

Love it and for God too🙏
On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 6:53 AM Robert Weaver 
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> This is how these post are being used. I make these in a variety of stains
> and ebony
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Weaver
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> > On Feb 7, 2022, at 2:35 PM, Robert Weaver 
> wrote:
> >
> > I don’t know why the video doesn’t play. I shot it with my iPhone. I’ll
> try to repost the video.
> > 
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tom Weaver
> > RThomasGallery.com
> > t...@rthomasgallery.com
> >
> >> On Feb 7, 2022, at 6:55 AM, Robert Weaver 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> It’s been a year since I purchased my LOM 1200 with the Performance
> CNC upgrade. I made the decision to buy after watching it work. I bought it
> for a single purpose machine.
> >>
> >> I build pulpits and communion tables for company that supplies them to
> churches around the country. Most of them have round fluted columns.
> >>
> >> When I got it to the shop and fired it up, nothing worked. The
> gentleman I bought it from could not figure it out. I reached out to this
> group and Tim Z. help me with some troubleshooting, but to know avail.
> >>
> >> I spent months on and off trying to figure things out without any
> success. Just when I was about to give up, I thought about reaching out to
> the community college. I had a friend that took a machinist course there
> and I asked him if he knew anyone there that could help. He gave me a name
> of a man that worked on their CNC’s.   That was the break-through I needed.
> >>
> >> He was ab look e to identify the problem. Evidently a spike or a surge
> took out the original computer, the CNC controller board, all four stepper
> drives, and the power supply.  I was able to replace the control board and
> power supply for under $100, and I found five stepper drives on eBay for
> $100.
> >>
> >> He replaced all these items for me and we fired it up. For the first
> time in my shop I saw it run. I have attached a small edited video of it
> turning the post.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tom Weaver
> >> 
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Re: DynaGlide suppliers

[Cole Andrews]

I think last I bought through Magnate

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> On Jan 21, 2022, at 8:49 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Here we go again! 
> 
> Good morning Everyone, Tim. 
> 
> I spent appx. 2 years trying to find a better or homemade product to replace 
> Dyna-Glide. some work for a short time, but So far nothing that I've found 
> can replace Dyna-Glide.
> 
> https://woodworker.com/dynaglide-plus-lube-spray-cleaner-14-oz-mssu-171-203.asp
>  also carry's it. Perhaps you could try them?
> In a pinch 
> https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/hornady-one-shot-with-dynaglide-plus-gun-cleaner-and-dry-lube
>  Hornady ONE SHOT has Dyna-Glide in it.  And it works pretty good on the 
> Legacy. ONE Advantage of using ONE SHOT, is you can buy it in the liquid by 
> the 1/2 gal. and put that in a spray bottle your self.  This ONE Shot works, 
> but dose not seem to me to last as long as Dyna-Glide its self.
> 
> A third option that did worked for me, WAS a home made version.   Lamp oil ( 
> Liquid Paraffin) and Japanese dryer in a spray bottle . (NOTE this did work 
> well, but it also made a film that needed to be remove after a short time of 
> using it.
> 
> Products that work for a very short time ARE.
> Plegde  https://www.pledge.com/en-us   It's Dirt CHEAP! and you can buy it 
> anyway, Sold in grocery stores, hardware stores... If used daily on the 
> Legacy, This could be a good product, It only lasted a few hours of use 
> before it needs to be used again. So there is a trade off with going cheap.  
> BUT IT DOES WORK WELL.
> 
> Now products like T-9 and Top coat ( sold at both Rockler and Wood Craft.) 
> only lasted (a little longer than Pledge) but did work OK ,But for the price 
> difference, I just do not think its worth it.
> 
> 
> In short Nothing that I've found works better then Dyna-Glide for use on the 
> Legacy.  This is one (of many) reason why I went to Linear rail on my machine.
> 
> I hope this help?
> 
> Have a good day.
> 
> C.A.G.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday, January 21, 2022, 08:49:38 AM EST, Tim Ziegler 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Good morning all,
> 
> Checking to see where others are getting "Dynaglide". 
> I have tried some different substitutes for this but have 
> never really found one that works quite as well. 
> Bostik Glidecoat being one I currently use as well as  Dynaglide.
> I have used a couple other's from misc. suppliers but to no 
> avail. 
> So besides through Legacy I have found 2 other suppliers 
> that carry it. One is out of stock with the promise is "more on it's way"
> Promised for at least 2 months now.
> The other store actually has it on hand.  StewMac
> So Stores:
> LOM--- Price??? last I got was like $18.00
> StewMac-- instock for $20.99
> WoodWorker's Supply out of stock $23.59
> 
> https://www.stewmac.com/luthier-tools-and-supplies/supplies/cleaners-and-lubricants/sound-synergies-dynaglide-tool-conditioner
> 
> https://woodworker.com/dynaglide-plus-lube-spray-cleaner-14-oz-mssu-171-203.asp
> 
> I ordered 2 cans last night through StewMac.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
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Re: Busy day in the shop

[Cole Andrews]

I am really liking that picture with the bone and brass. I think that goes real 
good together.

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> On Nov 20, 2021, at 10:05 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Here are some better photo's of the finished turnings.
> 
> C.A.G.
> 
> On Saturday, November 20, 2021, 10:59:14 PM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
> Ornamental Mills  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Tim
> 
> The diamond pattern is an 8 start rope and then reversed the gears  to cut 
> the other direction. The new roping index system was used on the diamond 
> pattern. (and again it worked out well.) ;-)
> 
> On the Bone turning. I am getting faster to make these. I made up the glue 
> ups for the bone in appx. 4hrs. The cutting on the Legacy only takes 30 min. 
> per depending on the design that I want to use.
> 
> I made a mistake on my first bone turning. (the one with the leather.) After 
> my glue up was dry, I went to mount it onto my pen mandrel. But glue got into 
> the brass tubing. So I used a drill bit to remove the glue. I ended up using 
> to much force and the bone broke in three spots.  After scraping the 
> bone/removing the old glue. I found that the bone would not go together with 
> out having gaps between the disks.
> This is where the leather came in.  I soaked the leather in the glue and 
> added it in-between the bone disks, and compressed the glue up in my vice.  
> Leather will bend, form and or compress to the shape you want. In this case 
> it filled the gaps between the bone disks in my turning. 
> So all I needed to do is, change my plans to work with the leather bone 
> combo. I used the leather for accent points of transition for the beads and 
> roping.  Over all I'm pretty happy with the way turned out. 
> Bye the way, I used an 8 start index on this, but felt it was going to be to 
> tight (due to my choice of router bit I used.), so I only use every other 
> index points, to make this a 4 start rope. but I did use all 8 indexes for/on 
> the bead.
> On the roped bone spindle. I used a 1/8" radius bit to cut the rope.
> https://www.amanatool.com/56125-solid-carbide-point-cutting-roundover-1-8-radius-x-1-4-dia-x-5-16-x-1-4-shank-router-bit.html
>  
> Again using the 8 start index plate. for this spindle. 
> Everything worked up well for me. 
> 
> That's it for now.
> talk to you more tomorrow.
> Have a good night.
> 
> C.A.G.
> 
> On Saturday, November 20, 2021, 09:36:07 PM EST, Tim Ziegler 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey, very intriguing Curt. I must say you have to be one of the busiest LOM 
> guys I know. 
> Between you and Bill. I'm very impressed. 
> I must say you have truly become the Bone Turning Master. 
> I love the diamond pattern you put on the Bill Club. I'm going to have to try 
> that. 
> What is your process to do that?
> How many hours average per handle on the bone with all the processes you do?
> I showed my wife that tonight and she was equally impressed.
> 
> Thanks for sharing and keep up the great work. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
> 
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> 320-630-2243 cell
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> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 4:33 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  wrote:
> Hello Everyone!
> 
> Santa's work shop projects for the season are now completed. (Note: I did not 
> do everything today, but completed everything on my list today.)
> I made 22 magnifying glass handles, using some 6 different designs, and a 
> number of different woods.
> I also Made three different Legacy projects shown here, ( Note: I made the 
> bone handles last week, I'm not sure if I showed them off, So I'm posting 
> this today.)  and a checkering handle on a Billy club. rounds everything off. 
> LOT's of fun, I learned some new tricks on these projects too, that may help, 
> your next project if you choose to try them?
> 
> Please let me know what you think.
> 
> Any questions or comments are as always welcome.
> 
> C.A.G.
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Re: legacy project

[Cole Andrews]

Awesome , really inspirational , I think I am gonna "steal " an
archway. Thank you.

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 7:48 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> Very nice work.
> Thanks again for sharing. That's what it's all about.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
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> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 8:54 AM Ccm Ccm  wrote:
>>
>> The fluted part is about 7 ft long and in one piece, the plinth and capital 
>> blocks are separate pieces. to the top of the arch it's about 11 ft.
>> It is all maple. The half columns were turned with a 3 1/2'' spacer block 
>> between them to get
>> a 7 '' diameter circle .
>>  attached are a few pictures of other parts of the house. the front door is 
>> walnut 2 1/4'' thick x 7 ' wide  x 10 ' tall
>> the table is knotty alder the pedestals were made on the legacy i also did 
>> the woodwork part of the floor
>> the corbels on the range hood the curved section i made on the legacy, i cut 
>> the carved parts out of another corbel
>> and joined them
>>  thanks for your comments
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 7:52 PM Ccm Ccm  wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's a picture of some of my latest legacy work. The fluted half columns
>>> were done on the legacy , the plinth blocks and capitals were turned on the
>>> lathe, everything was made by me except the carved capital blocks.
>>> There were eight various sized openings done like this in the house.
>>>
>>> Roger
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Re: smile

[Cole Andrews]

love it , need a good laugh

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 3:34 AM  wrote:
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> Ok to whom I am about to offend I am truly sorry but to all the rest of the 
> group its been a bit slow so I hope this brings a smile
>
>
>
> Bill
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Re: Who is going to be the first to try these on there Legacy?

[Cole Andrews]

229-425 -3605 cell coleandrew...@gmail.com

On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 12:38 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> Hey Cole,
>
> Thanks for the offer, yes doing a lot of it myself, with some help from 
> another guy.
> Electrical will probably have hired but never know for sure in timing on that 
> part and complexity of it.
> The guy helping will do the charging etc... but sure can use all the help we 
> can get.
> We could discuss this in a private message so as not to lose it somewhere.
> Thanks again Cole and talk soon.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 9:55 AM Cole Andrews  wrote:
>>
>> are you doing this heat pump  , split yourself or hiring it out ? I
>> can walk you through it if you need help.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 8:19 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>> >
>> > will do I may post some on it once I decide to move forward.
>> > First I better get my Heat Pump/mini split in my shop.
>> > Getting super hot in the shop without Air conditioning.
>> > Kind Regards,
>> >
>> > Timothy J. Ziegler
>> > Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> > 14171 160th Ave.
>> > Foreston MN 56330
>> >
>> > 320-294-5798 shop
>> > 320-630-2243 cell
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 7:32 AM  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> If you get one let us know how much it was and what its like
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bill
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>> >>  On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
>> >> Sent: Monday, 28 June 2021 9:37 PM
>> >> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> >> Subject: Re: Who is going to be the first to try these on there Legacy?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> That Morphing Fractal Vise may be perfect for me to hold odd things in my 
>> >> laser engraver Wow what a find!!!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Kind Regards,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> >>
>> >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> >>
>> >> 14171 160th Ave.
>> >>
>> >> Foreston MN 56330
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 320-294-5798 shop
>> >>
>> >> 320-630-2243 cell
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 10:47 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental 
>> >> Mills  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> HI guys.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bill the chucks LOOK like they can be locked into place with the lever on 
>> >> the side, You can see it on there video's although they did not use the 
>> >> lock while demonstrating.
>> >>
>> >> The idea of setting an angle on your work piece, and being able to 
>> >> locking it in place to engrave is the goal of this product. (at least 
>> >> that's how I see it.)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I sent a note to  Steve Lindsay  Hopefully he will reply tomorrow?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> C.A.G.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sunday, June 27, 2021, 12:33:01 PM EDT,  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Not sure what I think of these, if you can lock them from spinning they 
>> >> would be good for holding irregular shaped objects for milling I shall 
>> >> have to think more on them
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bill
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> >> 
>> >> Sent: Monday, 28 June 2021 1:07 AM
>> >> To: Legacy ornamental mills 
>> >> Subject: Who is going to be the first to try these on there Legacy?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hello Everyone, these tools are Awesome!
>> >>
>> >> They could be a very big help of holding and working with odd shaped 
>> >> objects, These might open up a hole new world of Legacy projects?
>> >>

Re: Who is going to be the first to try these on there Legacy?

[Cole Andrews]

are you doing this heat pump  , split yourself or hiring it out ? I
can walk you through it if you need help.

On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 8:19 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> will do I may post some on it once I decide to move forward.
> First I better get my Heat Pump/mini split in my shop.
> Getting super hot in the shop without Air conditioning.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 7:32 AM  wrote:
>>
>> If you get one let us know how much it was and what its like
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>>  On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
>> Sent: Monday, 28 June 2021 9:37 PM
>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Who is going to be the first to try these on there Legacy?
>>
>>
>>
>> That Morphing Fractal Vise may be perfect for me to hold odd things in my 
>> laser engraver Wow what a find!!!
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 10:47 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> HI guys.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill the chucks LOOK like they can be locked into place with the lever on 
>> the side, You can see it on there video's although they did not use the lock 
>> while demonstrating.
>>
>> The idea of setting an angle on your work piece, and being able to locking 
>> it in place to engrave is the goal of this product. (at least that's how I 
>> see it.)
>>
>>
>>
>> I sent a note to  Steve Lindsay  Hopefully he will reply tomorrow?
>>
>>
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 27, 2021, 12:33:01 PM EDT,  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Not sure what I think of these, if you can lock them from spinning they 
>> would be good for holding irregular shaped objects for milling I shall have 
>> to think more on them
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> 
>> Sent: Monday, 28 June 2021 1:07 AM
>> To: Legacy ornamental mills 
>> Subject: Who is going to be the first to try these on there Legacy?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Everyone, these tools are Awesome!
>>
>> They could be a very big help of holding and working with odd shaped 
>> objects, These might open up a hole new world of Legacy projects?
>>
>>
>>
>> Watch these You Tube videos for your self, them lets hear what you think.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvnizh0XPOA&t=22s
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tfzp19wxs0
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Re: Considering 1200 - what is fair price?

[Cole Andrews]

i think the 1200 will do 72 in my 900 does 48 in

On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 12:40 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
Mills  wrote:
>
> Hello Sandee
> Welcome to the Group.
> Do you have any photos of this machine?
> Is this Legacy free standing or is it a bench top model?
> I think your machine is a little on the high end of the price range. But 
> having said that, the extra's
> Router bits (depending on which bits and how many), and gear sets, both vice 
> sets, and turntable...+ will greatly help you out when using this machine.
>
> The ONLY down side is No, motor drive.( I feel this is a must have part of 
> this machine.) But having said this,  unit you are looking at, although a bit 
> on the high side of the price scale, is not a bad deal.
>
> If you do choose to buy this machine, I know you will very quickly know why I 
> think the motor drive is a must for the LOM. But that bridge can be crossed 
> latter, if you choose to buy this machine.
>
> I am looking forward to hearing form you, The Legacy is a very good machine, 
> but its the artiest that makes the art. (so to speak.)
> If I'm not mistaken the  1200 is a 40" turning length, It's a good size for 
> furniture repair ,  Depending on what you like to make, this machine may have 
> a lot to offer you, or it might be a little on the small side? Depending on 
> your needs.
> In Short I wish you luck, It isn't an easy choice to make.
>
> Please let us know how it all turns out for you.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Wednesday, June 16, 2021, 01:02:23 AM EDT, Sandee Witherow 
>  wrote:
>
>
> Hello to all,
> Considering a mill that is for sale but not sure how fair the price is and 
> would appreciate some input.  It's a 1200 that appears to be well taken care 
> of and has some extras with it.  The machine is manual (no motor), .25 and 2x 
> gears, comes with Porter Cable router and bits.  It has the gear set--I think 
> it's 7 pieces--can't remember what they are referred to as.  Horizontal and 
> vertical vices, infeed/outfeed table for linear stock, round table and drive 
> arm for it, manual and some documentation, and at least part of the design 
> kit are included.  Seller is asking $2250.
>
> I know some about the machines but not a lot.  Will I regret not having the 
> motorization?  Does it make that much of a difference?   I've seen machines 
> listed cheaper but with less accessories, and usually located nowhere near me.
>
> Thanks,
> Sandee
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Re: 8 start chatter cut

[Cole Andrews]

LIKE IT

On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 10:09 AM Ccm Ccm  wrote:
>
> nice, very innovative
>
> On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 8:46 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  wrote:
>>
>> I'm sorry guys, I don't mean to be tease, this is an experiment that I've 
>> been playing with.
>>
>> I think it turned out pretty good. Just wanted to know what you people 
>> thought of it?
>>
>> What I will tell everyone is, Its an 8 start, cut form the side, using a 
>> 1/2" end mill for the cutter. and its on a 3" pitch.  The rest will be shown 
>> latter, if it all works out?
>>
>> More to come.
>> C.A.G.
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Re: smile

[Cole Andrews]

I agree.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2021, at 7:43 AM, Richard Ellis  wrote:
> 
> I have  read the replies and I think it a very very sad day when folk can't 
> take a joke.
> Richard
> 
>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 10:53:59 PM UTC+1 aussiman wrote:
>> If the price of lumber keeps going up?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Smile guys
>> 
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Re: The Mother Load Update

[Cole Andrews]

i need that thin stock support , call me at your convenience
229-425-3605  Cole Andrews or text whatever is easiest for you

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 9:22 PM  wrote:
>
> Tracy,
>
>
>
> I’m interested in the motor and limit switches, .25x gear set, horizontal 
> vice, thin stock support, circle cutting center, and rotary table and shaft. 
> I think that comes to $795? Figure up the cost of shipping to Baltimore MD 
> 21227 and we can work out payment.
>
>
>
> Bill Henry
>
> Baltimore
>
>
>
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Tracy Smith
> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 8:40 PM
> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> Subject: The Mother Load Update
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> Sorry for my late update. A couple weeks ago, the guy that has been really 
> interested in owning a LOM for some time was able to meet with me and pick 
> what he wanted. He came over with his dad on a Saturday morning. We spent 
> nearly 4 hours together. We went over all the features of each machine: Model 
> 1500, Model 2000 and the Model 1200 with the Performance CNC Upgrade. We made 
> a simple 12" three start rope twist on each.
>
>
>
> After all that, he decided on the Model 2000. However, he really wanted the 
> Z-axis upgrade that was on the 1500. So we moved the Z-axis upgrade onto the 
> Model 2000 and he bought nearly every accessory that I had and several bits.
>
>
>
> I've attached a picture of the machine all loaded up and headed to its new 
> home.  He drove over 3.5 hours one way so it was a very long day for him and 
> his dad.
>
>
>
> I've shared with him this group as well as many of the other online resources 
> available. Hopefully we'll see him join this group soon when he starts 
> playing with it. His name is Chad.
>
>
>
> So that means I still have the Model 1200 with the CNC upgrade and the model 
> 1500.
>
> Regarding accessories, I have the following:
>
> - Rotary Table
>
> - Rotary Table Shaft
>
> - Horizontal Vise
>
> - Thin stock support
>
> - Circle Cutting Center
>
> - .25 Reduction Gear set
>
> - 2X Duplex Gear set
>
> - Porter Cable 3 1/4 HP plunge router
>
> - Eliminator Chuck
>
> - Right Hand directional assembly
>
>
>
> With the discussion from this group over the last few months, I wonder if it 
> would make sense to part out the 1500? I know I acquired so many LOMs because 
> of my concern for parts. I would really like to see the rotary table and 
> shaft go with the CNC as I always had plans to create some cool stuff with 
> that. I have someone interested in the CNC so I'll wait to see what happens 
> there before offering the rotary table and shaft.
>
>
>
> With that said, if I parted out the 1500, the following parts would be 
> available:
>
> - Motor and limit switches
>
> - Full driver gear set
>
> - The rails and parts from the frame of the machine (rails, locking collars, 
> double locking collar, tons of fasteners unique to the LOM, etc.)
>
> - The accessories mentioned above
>
>
>
> If anyone has serious interest in any of the parts above, please reach out to 
> me. Regarding pricing, this is how I would price each part:
>
> - Motor and limit switches: $400
>
> - .25X gear set: $100
>
> - 2X gear set: $100
>
> - Full set of drive gears: $85
>
> - Horizontal Vise: $50
>
> - Thin Stock Support: $25
>
> - Circle Cutting Center: $20
>
> - Eliminator Chuck: $40
>
> - Rotary Table and Shaft: $200
>
> - Right Hand directional assembly: $35
>
> - Router: $150
>
> - Rails, Frame, and other parts: $TBD but I will be very reasonable
>
>
>
> Shipping would be additional cost. I don't mind the extra work for shipping 
> so I will only pass on the shipping cost.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tracy
>
>
>
>
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Re: Wave Machine - applied to Pilaster dog setup

[Cole Andrews]

If you watch a video from micro fence com he uses smaller bits than the dado he 
desires. He then measures the slot he made and the material he wants to put in 
it, subtract the difference and move the router that far plus a few thousand 
for clearance. I have a few ideas for a kerf maker but not a micro adjust where 
I can move a exact known number.

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> On Mar 21, 2021, at 8:28 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey Cole, 
> 
> can you describe a bit more in detail what you mean by that?
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
> 
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 8:26 PM Cole Andrews  wrote:
>> Tried to to start a new post, having browser issues, was wondering if
>> anybody has made a micro adjust or kerfmaker for their mill and if so
>> Picts please. Don't want to reinvent the wheel just yet if I don't
>> have to.
>> 
>> On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 7:55 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>> >
>> > You look at my brakets Bill
>> >
>> > On Sun, Mar 21, 2021, 7:40 PM  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Neat idea Tim get inventing
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bill
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>> >>  On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
>> >> Sent: Monday, 22 March 2021 9:14 AM
>> >> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> >> Subject: Re: Wave Machine - applied to Pilaster dog setup
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Cool idea, but heres what we have to consider. The wave works on 
>> >> revolving the spindle being turned partially.
>> >>
>> >> But I've been thinking about this too but have not had it come to my head 
>> >> but we need to had something similar that
>> >>
>> >> would move the router back and forth instead of the spindle turning if 
>> >> it's going to be square. Or are you thinking round?
>> >>
>> >> Windshield wiper motors would make a very cool start to moving the router 
>> >> carriage???
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Kind Regards,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> >>
>> >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> >>
>> >> 14171 160th Ave.
>> >>
>> >> Foreston MN 56330
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 320-294-5798 shop
>> >>
>> >> 320-630-2243 cell
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 5:06 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> To Group members with Wave Machines (Tim K, Tim Z, Bill, Curtis, and 
>> >> others?),
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The waves that ya'll have made are really nice - Thanks for sharing them.
>> >>
>> >> Curtis is always telling us to "Think outside of the box" - so here goes!:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I got to thinking - I wonder if/how the Wave Machines (devices?) would 
>> >> perform on boards that are mounted to the various sizes of Pilaster 
>> >> "dogs(?)".
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Just a crazy thought - and since I do not own a Wave Machine - nor 
>> >> Pilaster Dogs - I figured I toss this out for your consideration.
>> >>
>> >> I plan to order a set of Pilaster Dogs from Legacy sometime in the next 3 
>> >> to 6 months.  If a Group Member has a set they don't need/want/ or that's 
>> >> extra - let me know.  We should be able to work something out instead of 
>> >> me ordering from Legacy.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks - for your time and consideration of my crazy thought.
>> >>
>> >> I hope to see some really nice results.
>> >>
>> >> Mac
>> >>
>> >> 
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Re: Wave Machine - applied to Pilaster dog setup

[Cole Andrews]

Tried to to start a new post, having browser issues, was wondering if
anybody has made a micro adjust or kerfmaker for their mill and if so
Picts please. Don't want to reinvent the wheel just yet if I don't
have to.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 7:55 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> You look at my brakets Bill
>
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2021, 7:40 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Neat idea Tim get inventing
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>>  On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
>> Sent: Monday, 22 March 2021 9:14 AM
>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Wave Machine - applied to Pilaster dog setup
>>
>>
>>
>> Cool idea, but heres what we have to consider. The wave works on revolving 
>> the spindle being turned partially.
>>
>> But I've been thinking about this too but have not had it come to my head 
>> but we need to had something similar that
>>
>> would move the router back and forth instead of the spindle turning if it's 
>> going to be square. Or are you thinking round?
>>
>> Windshield wiper motors would make a very cool start to moving the router 
>> carriage???
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 5:06 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>>
>> To Group members with Wave Machines (Tim K, Tim Z, Bill, Curtis, and 
>> others?),
>>
>>
>>
>> The waves that ya'll have made are really nice - Thanks for sharing them.
>>
>> Curtis is always telling us to "Think outside of the box" - so here goes!:
>>
>>
>>
>> I got to thinking - I wonder if/how the Wave Machines (devices?) would 
>> perform on boards that are mounted to the various sizes of Pilaster 
>> "dogs(?)".
>>
>>
>>
>> Just a crazy thought - and since I do not own a Wave Machine - nor Pilaster 
>> Dogs - I figured I toss this out for your consideration.
>>
>> I plan to order a set of Pilaster Dogs from Legacy sometime in the next 3 to 
>> 6 months.  If a Group Member has a set they don't need/want/ or that's extra 
>> - let me know.  We should be able to work something out instead of me 
>> ordering from Legacy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks - for your time and consideration of my crazy thought.
>>
>> I hope to see some really nice results.
>>
>> Mac
>>
>> 
>>
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Re: Today's barley project re-post

[Cole Andrews]

THat round one with the square legs and gilding has really got my
attention , very impressive.

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 5:52 AM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> Now now Bill we all have our skill level. look at my first wave yesterday. 
> I'm betting you could see right off my mistakes. lol
> Just gives us incentive to do better and better.
> Your work is great. I learned a lot from your Rosette video's .
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 3:22 AM  wrote:
>>
>> Very very nice work Roger puts my old crap to shame lol
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>>  On Behalf Of Ccm Ccm
>> Sent: Friday, 19 March 2021 2:57 PM
>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Today's barley project re-post
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Mac, My name is Roger Lieser, I live at the southern tip of texas close 
>> to Mcallen
>>
>> I own a 1200 and 1800 legacy, i've been chopping up wood for many years, 
>> attached are a few pictures of
>>
>> some of what i do, all of these projects  i used the legacy one way or 
>> another
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 8:49 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> I've seen posts by you on the Legacy Ornamental Mill (Google) User's Group 
>> (manual mill - not their CNC version).
>>
>> I know I have seen your "From" address of "Ccm Ccm" a number of times over 
>> the past few years - but do not recall ever seeing your name.
>>
>> More than likely you have been commenting on The Group's site longer than I 
>> have (which is probably on & off over the past 8-10 years).  Therefore when 
>> I signed up, you were probably aalredy aa "ember" so I never saw any info s 
>> to your name, where you live, type(s) of Legacy Mill(s) you have etc.
>>
>> If you don't mind, will you kindly share some of that info. either with me 
>> or to The Group?  I asked a long-time member if he knew who Ccm Ccm was - 
>> and he didn't know either.
>>
>>
>>
>> I even looked up "CCM Designs" and "CCM Design" - and found nothing related 
>> to woodworking or the Legacy Mill.
>>
>>
>>
>> I live in Northern Virginia (near Manassas) and have a Model 1000.  Bought 
>> it used.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you in advance for your time, consideration of my request, and your 
>> reply.
>>
>> Mac
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ccm Ccm
>> Sent: Mar 15, 2021 12:55 AM
>> To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com"
>> Subject: Re: Today's barley project re-post
>>
>> Nice work
>>
>> On Sunday, March 14, 2021, Okla Mike (Liltwisted)  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I was going through some old emails and came across this one.  I figured I 
>> would bring it back to the front for the groups sake and to start talk about 
>> different techniques I used.
>>
>> ~~
>>
>> Hello everyone.  I decided to take some pictures today as I worked.  Just to 
>> give you an idea of the process I use on a daily basis to make a living.  
>> The two most important tools in my shop are the ShopSmith with a duplicator 
>> as well as the old WoodChuck AKA Legacy's Grand Pa.
>>
>>
>> Here is a picture of the pattern the customer gave me.
>>
>>
>>
>> And the wood the Customer supplied 4.75 X 22 maple
>>
>>
>>
>> I glued the pattern with spray glue onto a masonite board
>>
>>
>>
>> Then did a rough cutout for the Radial Lathe to cut out
>>
>>
>>
>> I got it mounted and started the saw.  You can see the template and follower 
>> on the left under the spring clamp
>>
>>
>>
>> This is the complete rough out with the saw
>>
>>
>>
>> I cut the template to the final profile with a scroll saw
>>
>>
>>
>> Next it was time for the Shopsmith you can see
>>
>>
>>
>> This is what it looked like turned.  There will be a dowel cut on the right 
>> and the left side will be the barley
>>
>>
>>
>> This is the 2" barley on a 2" one start pitch.  Notice the untouched barrel 
>> to the right?  It will be square next.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here you will see the cut and uncut square section.  I locked the shaft and 
>> used the drive dog to keep my 90º rotation true
>>
>>
>>
>> Then I milled the dowel with a rabbiting bit.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here are all 4 of them completed
>>
>>
>>
>> I charged $100 a piece for these.  Just in case you all were wondering.
>>
>> Mike
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Re:

[Cole Andrews]

Love my Triton , took a few to get used to how it adjust . Might want to look 
at Makita . Have one of their small routers and love it’s smoothness and hope 
their big is just as good.

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> On Mar 12, 2021, at 5:28 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes the thing I like the most about triton routers apart from the fine 
> adjustment plunging knob
> Is the quick change mounting just loosen 2 knobs and off it comes in seconds 
> which makes them great you can go from mills to router tables to free hand 
> work all in seconds.
>  
> And one of the common misconceptions I find with routers on the legacy mills 
> if the need for heaps of horsepower if your bogging down a big 3 horse power 
> router your taking too big of cuts
> Having a very good variable speed is much better and a fine adjustment on 
> plunging is much more important to me than horsepower but that is just my 
> opinion.
>  
> Bill
>  
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>  On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
> Sent: Friday, 12 March 2021 11:15 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re:
>  
> Yes and Bill is a die hard Triton fan so have any questions about them and 
> how they work you must talk to him.
> Bill is the Triton King. lol
> Kind Regards,
>  
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>  
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>  
>  
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:28 PM Brett Giger  wrote:
> Hey guys , Brett here, just wonderingbif any one has tried or used the Tritan 
> plunge router??and or any suggestions , my Bosh sucks
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Re: Close ups of My Vertical Bench Vise

[Cole Andrews]

thanks Ray cant wait to see it all together with a part on it , have
never used mine . now you have tweaked my interest.

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 3:55 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> yup
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 3:53 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>
>> Send pics when you have it done.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:32 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'll be sending over to my Brother to help me so I will let you know.
>>> Thanks again Ray.
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:53 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:

 Several angles.  Hope you can see what you need.

 Ray

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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Circle Cutting Center

[Cole Andrews]

I used mine to perfectly round templates to route with to make a drum.

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> On Nov 29, 2020, at 11:58 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Here are two more photos form the Grape Arbor project.
> 
> C.A.G.
> 
> On Sunday, November 29, 2020, 12:45:19 PM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
> Ornamental Mills  wrote:
> 
> 
> Here are two photo/snap shot's form the video.
> 
> C.A.G.
> 
> On Sunday, November 29, 2020, 12:28:46 PM EST, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
> Ornamental Mills  wrote:
> 
> 
> That too can be a very handy tool for the Legacy.
> 
> If you have the DVD's (Legacy builder series.) Grape arbor video. Legacy uses 
> one to make some archives for a gate, and the arbor.
> 
> This  video was made before the turn table came into being. but even though 
> the two tools can do the same things each its self can do things the other, 
> cant.
> 
> Legacy used it in the Video to make a LARGE table, in which they turned/cut 
> arches for there outdoor projects. I think they made a 6 foot table, and used 
> this as there fulcrum/point. 
> <1606670480635blob.jpg>
> 
> (this is not Legacy's photo. but one that looks close to what they made on 
> there second project.)
> 
> more latter.
> 
> C.A.G.
> On Sunday, November 29, 2020, 11:52:50 AM EST, Ray Leaman  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Again new in the box.  I don't think the guy I  bought my 1200 from really 
> used it much.
> 
> Fairly straight forward tool accessory.  Once mounted on the inner rails I 
> see this as a way to make any diameter circles (thinking able tops) up to the 
> capacity of the machine.  Has anyone in the group used this accessory?  Other 
> uses.
> 
> Ray
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Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises

[Cole Andrews]

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:29 PM Tracy Smith  wrote:

> I think you are right Bill.  If I remember correctly, Legacy only did the
> CNC upgrades for about a year. According to this page:
> https://ornamentalmills.com/history/index.html, the CNC upgrades were
> discontinued in 2011.
>
> Tracy
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM  wrote:
>
>> I cant tell you a date but the ball bearing headstock, the cnc upgrade
>> and the adjustable vertical vice I would say its one of the later models
>> not long before legacy stopped making them and turned to totally making cnc
>> that’s just my opinion. Tim K or English roger  would be the men who would
>> know if anyone would
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Ray Leaman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 1 December 2020 2:42 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises
>>
>>
>>
>> If someone can tell the date of manufacture by looking at the machine
>> that would be something.
>>
>> Anyone care to guess the year mine was made?
>>
>>
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 6:46 AM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>> True on the manual but I thought with the new letter or those copies that
>> Curtis down loaded would possibly help tell when it was made?
>>
>> It seems many of you can identify them by looking at them about how new
>> they are?
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> 
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:03 AM M.W.Foscue 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Tim,
>>
>> I've seen several Manuals (even actually read one) and I have yet to see
>> any reference to a "Date of manufacture"(DoM).
>>
>> Hell, most Mills I've either seen or seen photos of, don't even have a
>> Model Number on them!! (Much less a Serial Number or DoM!
>>
>> Mac
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Tim Ziegler
>> Sent: Nov 29, 2020 9:24 PM
>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises
>>
>> Does your manual say what year your machine was made?
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> --
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:22 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to see if I can find out somehow when the vice was made. Some
>> of you think that it must be one of the latest ones made by Legacy?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 8:16 PM Tim Ziegler 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Then adjustable vertical vise that Ray somehow seemed to have landed
>> along with many other nice accessories.
>>
>> it has the angle brackets and I have not ever seen them?
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 3:55 PM  wrote:
>>
>> What are you referring too tim?
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>> --
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>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Monday, 30 November 2020 6:36 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: My 1200 - Accessories: Horizontal and Vertical Bench Vises
>>
>>
>>
>> It goes on ok I just purchased one through Curtis, I do NOT have those
>> nice angle changing brackets.
>>
>> Does anyone else have those???
>>
>> Can someone make them or get measurements and close up pix for me. That
>> looks extremely useful when I have repairing angled tenons on furniture
>> etc...
>>
>> Did Tim K. ever do any of those?
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> --
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 1:18 PM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>>
>> These will come in handy for doing edge or end routing for sure.  Like
>> the cam locks.   Legacy says you need to have purhased the horizontal bench
>> vise in order to use the vertical bench vise.  The vertical vise mounts to
>> the horizontal vise and allows for mortises, tenons, dovetails, finger
>> joints on the ends of stock.  Now I get rid of all my other
>> individual tools for doing all that NOT!!  I'll get a lot of use out of
>> these in the shop.  Hope they set up as easy at they make it sound.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ray
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Re: Question to all?

[Cole Andrews]

Thanks Curt , been out of the loop for a little. Tried to email you Direct says 
undeliverable.

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> On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:16 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey Cole.
> 
> I think so? I will take measurement and then let you know what I have, then 
> you can measure your 900. 
> 
> Its been a while since we last heard form you. Welcome back...
> 
> C.A.G.
> 
>> On Thursday, October 15, 2020, 01:02:36 PM EDT, Cole Andrews 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Will the thin stock support work on th 900
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2020, at 2:28 AM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>>> 
>> 
> 
> Curt if the head and tail stock is the one with ball bearings I want it.
> 
>  
> 
> Bill
> 
>  
> 
> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  
> Sent: Thursday, 15 October 2020 3:44 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question to all?
> 
>  
> 
> Hello Guys.
> 
> What the Group dose not want, I will be using for my own projects.
> 
> I talked to Mike today, And through our talk I finely decided to part this 
> machine out. (rather then remake it.)  
> 
> I will be posting photo's of the parts so all can see what is there. but for 
> now this is what I have found.
> 
>  
> 
> As a small note, 20 yr old packing peanuts,  have a shelf life, they cause a 
> mess when the boxes were open today... ;-)
> 
>  
> 
> This is the list of boxes/ PARTS, 
> 
> Gear cover, 
> 
> Dust collection box. (cloth, hardware and vacuum ports.)
> 
> 3 sets of Horizontal bench vise's,( I have no idea why anyone would want of 
> need 3 of them but I found three boxes...) 
> 
> Thin stock support, (the bar one, not the set that go on the carriage.)
> 
> Gears. All three Gear sets (standard, X-2 &.25 gear set.)
> 
> Vertical bench vise 
> 
> Expand indexing kit. 
> 
> Head and tail stock. 
> 
> carriage assembly, 
> 
> leg kit. (with screw adjustment and parts.)
> 
> Rotary table, (or tables, I have my old one that could also be sold,) I have 
> three at the moment.
> 
> Plus a lot of little stuff, like PEM brackets and cap screw (parts to mount 
> the alum. rail...)
> 
> Acme Screw part and brackets... Everything to make a 1000 or 1500. minus the 
> rail and lead screw.
> 
>  
> 
> Most everything is in original boxes, little to no rust on any parts, Only 
> one box was water damaged, and that box was the manual, paperwork and DVD's. 
> So nothing of great valve was lost there! 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> I have set aside the Design kit for a prize , If everyone is up for A game?
> 
>  
> 
> And I have set a few thing aside for my self. (but even those may be up for 
> grabs latter?)
> 
>  
> 
> Have a good night.
> 
> talk to you all more tomorrow.
> 
>  
> 
> C.A.G.
> 
>  
> 
> On Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 02:52:43 PM EDT, Harvey Matyas 
>  wrote:
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Hi Curtis
>  
> Instead of the most posts, how about different project ideas or modifications 
> to the LOM?  (Just an idea or suggestion)
>  
> Harvey
>  
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 2:28 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
> Hi Curtis,
> Sounds Like a good idea to me.
> And "Congrats" on scoring that Mill (or parts & accessories for one)!
> Mac
> -Original Message- 
> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> Sent: Oct 13, 2020 11:59 PM 
> To: Legacy ornamental mills 
> Subject: Question to all?
> 
> Hello Everyone
>  
> It looks like things have been a little slow around here, So I've come
> with an idea.
> I just recently came up with a treasure trove of Legacy parts and equipment, 
> many still in the original box's, not used. 
>  
> To make a long story short, the original owner passed away before he was able 
> to use his machine. Years after his death, the family is cleaning up all of 
> his... stuff. I just picked up what was marked Legacy, but sadly, I found out 
> a few boxes that are needed to put this machine together are missing, The 4 
> alum. support rails and the lead screw are not part of the package/bundle I 
> just acquired.
> So what do I do?
> I just found a Legacy design kit, in one of these boxes, 
> I know a number of people in our group here have been wanting this design kit.
>  
> So instead of selling the parts to people in the group, 
> How about we make a game of it?
> I was thinking since the holidays are coming up. Who ever has the most 
> posting to the group coul

Re: Question to all?

[Cole Andrews]

Will the thin stock support work on th 900

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> On Oct 15, 2020, at 2:28 AM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
> 
> 
> Curt if the head and tail stock is the one with ball bearings I want it.
>  
> Bill
>  
> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  
> Sent: Thursday, 15 October 2020 3:44 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Question to all?
>  
> Hello Guys.
> What the Group dose not want, I will be using for my own projects.
> I talked to Mike today, And through our talk I finely decided to part this 
> machine out. (rather then remake it.)  
> I will be posting photo's of the parts so all can see what is there. but for 
> now this is what I have found.
>  
> As a small note, 20 yr old packing peanuts,  have a shelf life, they cause a 
> mess when the boxes were open today... ;-)
>  
> This is the list of boxes/ PARTS, 
> Gear cover, 
> Dust collection box. (cloth, hardware and vacuum ports.)
> 3 sets of Horizontal bench vise's,( I have no idea why anyone would want of 
> need 3 of them but I found three boxes...) 
> Thin stock support, (the bar one, not the set that go on the carriage.)
> Gears. All three Gear sets (standard, X-2 &.25 gear set.)
> Vertical bench vise 
> Expand indexing kit. 
> Head and tail stock. 
> carriage assembly, 
> leg kit. (with screw adjustment and parts.)
> Rotary table, (or tables, I have my old one that could also be sold,) I have 
> three at the moment.
> Plus a lot of little stuff, like PEM brackets and cap screw (parts to mount 
> the alum. rail...)
> Acme Screw part and brackets... Everything to make a 1000 or 1500. minus the 
> rail and lead screw.
>  
> Most everything is in original boxes, little to no rust on any parts, Only 
> one box was water damaged, and that box was the manual, paperwork and DVD's. 
> So nothing of great valve was lost there! 
>  
>  
> I have set aside the Design kit for a prize , If everyone is up for A game?
>  
> And I have set a few thing aside for my self. (but even those may be up for 
> grabs latter?)
>  
> Have a good night.
> talk to you all more tomorrow.
>  
> C.A.G.
>  
> On Wednesday, October 14, 2020, 02:52:43 PM EDT, Harvey Matyas 
>  wrote:
>  
>  
> Hi Curtis
>  
> Instead of the most posts, how about different project ideas or modifications 
> to the LOM?  (Just an idea or suggestion)
>  
> Harvey
>  
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 2:28 AM M.W.Foscue  wrote:
> Hi Curtis,
> Sounds Like a good idea to me.
> And "Congrats" on scoring that Mill (or parts & accessories for one)!
> Mac
> -Original Message- 
> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> Sent: Oct 13, 2020 11:59 PM 
> To: Legacy ornamental mills 
> Subject: Question to all?
> 
> Hello Everyone
>  
> It looks like things have been a little slow around here, So I've come
> with an idea.
> I just recently came up with a treasure trove of Legacy parts and equipment, 
> many still in the original box's, not used. 
>  
> To make a long story short, the original owner passed away before he was able 
> to use his machine. Years after his death, the family is cleaning up all of 
> his... stuff. I just picked up what was marked Legacy, but sadly, I found out 
> a few boxes that are needed to put this machine together are missing, The 4 
> alum. support rails and the lead screw are not part of the package/bundle I 
> just acquired.
> So what do I do?
> I just found a Legacy design kit, in one of these boxes, 
> I know a number of people in our group here have been wanting this design kit.
>  
> So instead of selling the parts to people in the group, 
> How about we make a game of it?
> I was thinking since the holidays are coming up. Who ever has the most 
> posting to the group could win this prize?  
>  
> Since this month is 1/2 over this month dose not count. I want to find out 
> what everyone thinks of this idea. If We get a number of people liking this 
> idea. then Next month/ November. we can start keeping count.
>  
> I will also tell everyone now, there are a number of parts that I do not 
> need. like a rotatory turn table, (I now own three of those !) ;-(  and 
> assembly parts like those pesky PEM fittings that we talked about earlier 
> this month. plus a hole lot more... (I've not gone through all of the boxes 
> yet.) 
>  
> The Machine was bought in 2002, its a Legacy modal 1000 or 1500? there is a 
> leg kit. that is open, I do not know if all the parts are there? (yet)
> Basically what I am saying, If anyone want any parts for there machine... I 
> may be able to help them out. 
>  
> Bye the way, there is a box marked Dust collection...  I defiantly Do NOT 
> need that! ;-)
>  
> Please let me know what everyone thinks?
>  
> C.A.G.
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Re: Master Membership List

[Cole Andrews]

What part of West TN?

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> On Jul 23, 2020, at 1:20 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I personally am not objective to someone getting my name etc... but
> Just my two cents worth but I don't think anyone can legally provide a 
> "Master List" to everyone that belongs to the Forum. 
> Please don't take this the wrong way. I think only the guys that run the 
> Forum would be allowed to have names etc...
> Curtis, Tim
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
> 
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 11:31 AM Ray Leaman  wrote:
>> I've looked as best I can thru this site but seem to not have gotten at 
>> least a part of this thread that some folks seem to be answering re: a 
>> master list of members.  What is it that people are responding to in 
>> identifying where they are located and is there now or is there going to be 
>> some sort of master list of members?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 9:32 AM Steven Jacobs  
>>> wrote:
>>> I would like to meet members in the area. I am in West Tennessee. My 
>>> building will be finished next week giving my Revo and 900 CNC a place to 
>>> work.
>>> 
>>> Steve Jacobs 
>>> 
 On Jul 23, 2020, at 8:11 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
  wrote:
 
 
 Hello Donald. 
 I'm in Michigan, North of Detroit.
  
 
> On Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 4:02:41 PM UTC-4, Donald Donley wrote:
> I'm interested in contacting local members that have LOMs - is there a 
> master list of members - a complete list would be great but my needs now 
> are for Pennsylvania, Maryland, New Jersey, Delaware - just curious who 
> the EXPERTS are in my area - Don from Elizabethtown, Pa.
 
 
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Re: Master Membership List

[Cole Andrews]

I agree except I am in Middle TN.

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> On Jul 22, 2020, at 3:02 PM, Donald Donley  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm interested in contacting local members that have LOMs - is there a master 
> list of members - a complete list would be great but my needs now are for 
> Pennsylvania, Maryland, New Jersey, Delaware - just curious who the EXPERTS 
> are in my area - Don from Elizabethtown, Pa.
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Re: Barber pole project

[Cole Andrews]

Most excellent, which bit did you use ? I am assuming it started out with
about 3 in diameter once you rounded it.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 8:34 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> One more short note.
> I changed my follower a number of years ago, I rather have the follower in
> the front of the machine instead of the back side. For me this makes things
> easier to see when cutting.
> the old follower needed to be re-designed it fit my New Z axis. Different
> part, but same idea.
> Thanks for asking.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, July 5, 2020, 09:22:45 PM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy
> Ornamental Mills  wrote:
>
>
> Hello. ;-)
> Thank you. the roping needed to be done from the side, it keep the rope
> tapered. I used a three starts, at 9.5" pitch to make the stripes, this
> gave all three colors one wide band and one small cove, very much like the
> original pix.
> One minor difference was the direction of the pitch, I did a left where
> the original made a right handed pitch. After looking at a number of
> different barber poles I find it makes no difference on the direction of
> the pitch.
> ( I feel like a doge'd the bullet on this one. I did not even relies that
> the direction was different until I was done.) ;-o.
>
> I just got a private E-mail asking about the front follower.
>
> The funny part here is that Everyone has already seen it, but did no See
> what I was using.
> The follower is the back side of my hold down table.   See the photos...
> The Uni-sturt is locked down onto the lower rails, depending on the job, I
> just lock the strut down to hold, either the hold down table or the
> follower. Its all the same parts, just a different view. ;-)
>
> Have a good day everyone.
>
> talk to you all more latter.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Sunday, July 5, 2020, 08:57:56 PM EDT, Ccm Ccm 
> wrote:
>
>
> Curt, nice job
>
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 5:07 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> This project was fun to make, Its a re-production of an Antique
> Barber pole.  The wood is an Old weather beaten 4x4 post. 24" long.
>
> The antique/rustic paint look still needs some amber shellac to give it an
> aged/yellow under tone, and perhaps some more light sanding? (or both?)
>
> The last photo was the pic. that I used to get the over all feel for this
> project. My hope was with cutting the ropes
> was to add something to the look.
>
> Any How This was a fun project. to make, as you can see in the photo's , I
> used my front hold template follower on my Legacy 2020 Z axis. Over all I
> am pleased with the results.
> Please let me know what you think...
>
> C.A.G.
>
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Re: Zig Zag patterns.

[Cole Andrews]

Very interesting , probably a bit of math but doable 

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> On May 28, 2020, at 1:34 AM, Richard Ellis  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Curt
>  The 2nd and fourth would be a challenge---the zig zag  cuts.The small 
> carving near impossible!!
> Richard
> 
>> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 6:23 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>  wrote:
>> Hello Everyone.
>> 
>> I found some pictures of some stone columns that has a unique pattern.
>> I think would be fun to try to make on the Legacy.
>> I have not made it, Yet.  (AND have not even attempted to do so yet.) 
>> 
>> What I thought would be fun is to ask everyone in the group, how would you 
>> make something like this? ((Zig Zag pattern.)) 
>> 
>> There is almost 1000 ways to do anything. 
>> The idea for this group, came form the willingness to learn and grow in our 
>> wood working.
>> 
>> Think of this as a challenge to grow.  and to help others grow though your 
>> experiences.
>> Size/scale of this project dose not need to be big. 
>> Can you think of a way to maintain a pattern like this is the goal. How  you 
>> do it is up to you...
>> Lets hear your ideas.
>> 
>> C.A.G.
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Re: Fed up with messing parts up

[Cole Andrews]

I show you a picture when I get home ,I have seen quite a few trailers in this 
part of the country with windows installed this way. A normal window on the 
outside  and what looks like a storm window on the inside .

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> On Apr 5, 2020, at 7:40 PM, MWF  wrote:
> 
> 
> Cole,
> Call the window installer back - to fix the issue.
> Why did they leave screws sticking out /proud?  I've never seen THAT done.
> You had me a bit "corn-fused" for  a few seconds - when I first looked at 
> your pic of the window.
> It took a few before I noticed you photo came in sideways. (Not how I'd 
> normally expect to look out a window.)  I was looking at the outlets - and 
> one appeared up near the ceiling - and I thought "I didn't realize Cole lived 
> in the UK.  Figuring that for some reason they put them up there - like for 
> powering the roll-down powered blackout/privacy/security blinds. (In GE, they 
> call them rolladen.)
> Mac
> -Original Message- 
> From: cole 
> Sent: Apr 5, 2020 8:11 PM 
> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> Subject: Re: Fed up with messing parts up 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 7:09:15 PM UTC-5, cole wrote:
>> Trying to make some stopped rebates with the mill . Everything was going 
>> good until the last cut and the clamp just decided no more.Thank god this 
>> grove was to the back and never be seen. Messed up my plans of using Dominos 
>> to hold it all together like I did with other window . The reason for the 
>> rebate was the window is secured in screws that stand proud about 1/4 in all 
>> the way around.
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Re: Fed up with messing parts up

[Cole Andrews]

The clamp I used was an Festool screw clamp that is meant for their mft table . 
I have an series of holes drilled so I can use dogs to line up parts easy and 
repeatable. Every so often that clamp just let’s go. And always on something 
that’s took a lot of time to lay out.

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> On Apr 6, 2020, at 11:51 AM, artmarb...@comcast.net wrote:
> 
> 
> When you say “Clamp” are you referring to me shaft collars or how you have 
> mounted the wood on your milling table?
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Re: flexable sanding pads

[Cole Andrews]

Met the Klingapor rep at a guild meeting ,gave us samples works as
advertised . Nice guy. Said their router bits are made for them by
Whiteside. Can’t wait to try them.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 8:14 AM  wrote:

> Here’s the source.
>
>
>
> https://www.woodworkingshop.com/
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *
> bulke...@mmnet.com.au
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:41 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* flexable sanding pads
>
>
>
> Check this out guys from infinity tools
>
>
>
>
> https://www.infinitytools.com/flexible-foam-sanding-pads?utm_source=remarkety&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Wed%203%2F11&utm_content=&_rmId=QO6JQ5NoYohbyJ9bePwYswZ0Y10YpNFo62qp
>
>
>
> don’t know anything about them but looks ok
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Virus-free. www.avast.com
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Re: Kerfmaker

[Cole Andrews]

No they have it when I get home I’ll try to test a theory

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:05 PM Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> Cole did anyone answer? Curtis George is at work so be a bit before he can 
> get back to you and I'm not sure either.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
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>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
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>
> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 3:21 PM cole  wrote:
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>> I sure somebody in this group has figured out a kerfmaker for the mill. 
>> Maybe called a different name. Just wondering while I am riding this 
>> greyhound home.
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Re: Kerfmaker

[Cole Andrews]

I think I have it figured out  just need something to draw on , thanks
for listening.

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Re: 4 LOM VHS tapes

[Cole Andrews]

I would love  a set of those projects too. Just glued up blanks for some
candlesticks.

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 6:17 PM  wrote:

> Not to worry I’ll just turn the tv upside down when I play them 😊
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *MWF
> *Sent:* Monday, 21 October 2019 9:06 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: 4 LOM VHS tapes
>
>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> I intend to do that.
>
> Only one problem for yours - I have to find a way to record them
> "backwards" onto a CD/DVD - so it will play for you down under.
>
> Mac
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> -Original Message-
> From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au
> Sent: Oct 20, 2019 5:08 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: 4 LOM VHS tapes
>
>
> Thank you john, it’s a shame legacy took down their old sight some of
> those videos were on there for everyone to watch.
>
> Hey mac you better get busy converting those tapes to dvd you got a lot of
> orders out here for them even I would buy a copy
>
> Bill
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> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *John Sasinowski
> *Sent:* Monday, 21 October 2019 4:10 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: 4 LOM VHS tapes
>
>
>
> Hi Bill.
>
> I believe these are the same 10 projects that are in the project book that
> came with the mill.
> Note that they pre-date some of the later features & accessories - there’s
> no Z-axis, for example.
>
> The names & descriptions are mine, from a quick scan of the videos + my
> aging memory :-)
>
>1. Candlestick (rope spiral, indexed flutes on the base)
>
>
>1. Walking stick (hammer head grip, spirals)
>
>
>1. Lamp (router bit turnings, fluting)
>
>
>1. Jewelry box (approximating gently flowing curves w/a core box bit
>when making a moulding)
>
>
>1. Picture frame (moulding w/multiple router bit profiles)
>
>
>1. Hallway table legs (spiral sections & mortices)
>
>
>1. Cabriole legs (template routing)
>
>
>1. Ornamental serving dish (rotary table for bowl & base, spiral
>column)
>
>
>1. Octagonal box (rotary table work, including indexed & continuous
>cuts to make rosettes for each face)
>
>
>1. Flag box (pattern from plunging cutter)
>
> John
>
> On 19 Oct 2019, at 15:51, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>
> Can one of you guys tell me what the 10 projects are on the 2 tapes
>
>
>
> Bill
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>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *MWF
> *Sent:* Sunday, 20 October 2019 2:27 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: 4 LOM VHS tapes
>
>
>
> Hi John,
>
> Thanks.
>
> I'd like them.
>
> What's the S&H to Virginis - 22192.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mac
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> -Original Message-
> From: John Sasinowski
> Sent: Oct 19, 2019 11:15 AM
> To: Legacy Group
> Subject: 4 LOM VHS tapes
>
> Hi all.
>
> I have four VHS tapes from Legacy Woodworking Machinery / Phantom
> Engineering that I no longer need.
> If you’re interested, they’re yours for the cost of shipping.
>
> Here are the titles:
>
>- Legacy Ornamental Mill Assembly Video 1000/1500 EX
>- Legacy Ornamental Mill EX Series Fast Start Video
>- Ornamental Milling Projects 1 - 5
>- Ornamental Milling Projects 6 - 10
>
> Thanks!
>
> John
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Re: One of four

[Cole Andrews]

Most excellent, ahttps://www.finewoodworking.com/membersesome

On Thursday, September 5, 2019, Richard Ellis 
wrote:

> Bill
> 12 grooves done with a small 1/4 shank 3/8 wide cutter  finished article
> circumference approx 5 1/4 ins.
> Planed wood just over 2 1/4 square.
>
> Decorative holes  Magnate bit no.s  7581 & 7582--  & 7585 Molding  at
> each end . it will be for a foot stool ,, don.t know how to finish the feet
> !!
>
> On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 11:52:56 PM UTC+1, aussiman wrote:
>>
>> Very nice Richard tell us what bits and number of grooves ect.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>> *On Behalf Of *Richard Ellis
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 5 September 2019 4:33 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
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>>
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>> Todays work
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Re: File library site.

[Cole Andrews]

A big thank you , thank you , thank you.. Very much appreciated.

On Tuesday, August 27, 2019, Patrick Salter  wrote:

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Re: Re: Legacy parts and accessories for sale

[Cole Andrews]

I believe that is vertical vise or part of it  .I have something with a
piece with an arc cut in it to adjust for angles . Can't find a picture of
it mounted to get it right . Never actually used it.

On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 1:45 PM Tim Krause  wrote:

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> Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 09:10:23 -0700
> From: Tim Krause  
> To: Bill Bulkeley  
>
> Vertical adjustable vise.
> On 5/14/2019 2:31 PM, Bill Bulkeley wrote:
>
> I think they are parts off one of the models of vertical vices I had one
> before my house fire it was adjustable similar  to the revos front rails
>
>
>
> Bill
>
> *From:* 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills [
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> lost on these... anyone have an idea as to what these are?... fairly sure
> they are a Legacy item of some sort... two pieces... left and a right...
> thanks... Joe
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Re: Exact width dado jig

[Cole Andrews]

You might have answered my question, I am gonna make some notes( while it
is still clear what to try) It is gonna be a week or so before I get some
shop time.

On Sunday, February 10, 2019, Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Cole did anyone ever answer you on this?
> I would use a dial indicator once you made your first pass move it over
> another .245 thou. run your pass check it and then adjust again.
> Just sneak up on it the first time or two until you know how much play
> your carriage is going to have.
> I love wood pecker's tools too but would not use it on the legacy when you
> could make something for a very few dollars and a little time.
> Would make a nice fence thats nice and square to the LOM and away you go.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330&entry=gmail&source=g>
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> <https://maps.google.com/?q=14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330&entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
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>
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 9:11 AM Cole Andrews 
> wrote:
>
>> That was the direction I am trying to go in my limited space. The jigs in
>> question use a bushing and say a half inch bit to follow the template that
>> is set to various thicknesses of material by inserting material into the
>> jig and tightening 2 bolts. I was trying figure out a way to use a 1/2 in
>> bit and move the sled the exact difference that Ii need to make up.
>>
>> On Friday, February 8, 2019, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Cole,
>>>
>>> I am pretty new to the LOM world my self and have only owned one for a
>>> month or two.
>>> But what I have been thinking about is adding a either MDF or Baltic
>>> Birch table across the rails and add a fence to the right of it.
>>> Then having a some type of adjustable clamp or clamps that square it up
>>> and keep it tight against fence from the left. Depending on the size of
>>> panel your dadoing
>>> I would suggest a support or extend the table out past and use some sort
>>> leg supports.
>>> Just my thoughts and 2 cents worth. I could diagram that if you'd like.
>>> I'm pretty sure others may comment as well.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=14171+160th+Ave.+Foreston+MN+56330&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 6:16 PM cole  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have seen woodpeckers come out with an exact width dado jig. I have
>>>> also seen how to make my own , and so I was wondering how to make this
>>>> concept work on the mill.
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Re: Exact width dado jig

[Cole Andrews]

That was the direction I am trying to go in my limited space. The jigs in
question use a bushing and say a half inch bit to follow the template that
is set to various thicknesses of material by inserting material into the
jig and tightening 2 bolts. I was trying figure out a way to use a 1/2 in
bit and move the sled the exact difference that Ii need to make up.

On Friday, February 8, 2019, Tim Ziegler  wrote:

> Hi Cole,
>
> I am pretty new to the LOM world my self and have only owned one for a
> month or two.
> But what I have been thinking about is adding a either MDF or Baltic Birch
> table across the rails and add a fence to the right of it.
> Then having a some type of adjustable clamp or clamps that square it up
> and keep it tight against fence from the left. Depending on the size of
> panel your dadoing
> I would suggest a support or extend the table out past and use some sort
> leg supports.
> Just my thoughts and 2 cents worth. I could diagram that if you'd like.
> I'm pretty sure others may comment as well.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> 
> Foreston MN 56330
> 
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 6:16 PM cole  wrote:
>
>> I have seen woodpeckers come out with an exact width dado jig. I have
>> also seen how to make my own , and so I was wondering how to make this
>> concept work on the mill.
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Re: Legacy's turn table (Happy New Year.)

[Cole Andrews]

Love mine

On Sunday, January 6, 2019, Tracy Smith  wrote:

> I've got one. Excited to try it.  I just haven't had the time to play with
> it yet.
>
> Tracy
>
> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 8:34 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
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>> Hello Everyone. Happy New Year to all.
>>
>> I received an e-mail asking what I though about the Legacy's turn table.
>>
>> The question brings me to think, How many of you own a turn table?  Do
>> you think it was
>> worth the expensive?
>>
>> On a side note.( If you think its a good tool.)  Do you think you could
>> make something the
>> would work as well?
>>
>> Its been a little quite this month,( Granted its only 6 days into it. )
>> Lets start this New Year off with a big posting month for our group.
>>
>> Lets hear what  you think !
>>
>> Have a great day everyone,
>>
>> Happy New Year.
>>
>> C.A.G.
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Re: legacy site

[Cole Andrews]

On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 11:52 AM Bill Bulkeley 
wrote:

> All the techniques are on the videos and dvds that come with the mills so
there not totally lost and legacy did inform on their sight I believe that
they no longer support the old mills.so its up to us here to keep it all
alive



Bill



*From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Bawdsey64
*Sent:* Sunday, 23 September 2018 7:57 PM
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*Subject:* Re: legacy site

 Thanks I have not had a chance to look at all of it yet .

> ​
> Hi Richard
>
> As time passes things get deleted
>
> ​
>
>
>
> ​
>
> *From:* Richard Ellis
>
> *Received:* 23/09/2018 10:08:47 +01:00
>
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
>
> They can't even get that right,!!all the important bit are still
> under construction-I guess they always will be
>
> Richard
>
> On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 6:46:21 PM UTC+1, legacy woodworking
> wrote:
>
> What are you looking for?
> https://web.archive.org/web/20051210195342/http://legacywoodworking.com:80/techniques.cfm
> 
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Patrick Salter" 
> To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" 
> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 11:55:01 AM
> Subject: RE: legacy site
>
> Well, that was cool. Are there other pages? Was anyone able to save any
> others before Legacy stopped posting them?
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Re: First project in new shop

[Cole Andrews]

Worst internet ever ,kept crapping out just getting a pict to the thread.
Never saw a way to attach it from my pad on the original post.

On Monday, June 4, 2018, Cole Andrews  wrote:

> Picts of project
>
> On Tuesday, May 29, 2018, Cole Andrews  wrote:
>
>>
>> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:53 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
>> Mills  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Cole
>>> I cant wait to see what you did! Please post some pictures?
>>>
>>> If the size it to big for the group, you can e-mail them to me.
>>> curt.geo...@yahoo.com
>>> I sent a email to you  Curt , could not find a way to import hoots to
>>> the thread from my pad . Check your other email and see if you can attach
>>> them for us
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 29, 2018, 8:43:24 PM EDT, cole 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I made this thin rip jig for my tracksaw with the mill ,could not have
>>> been easier. Took the Picts with my Pad ( apple) and  trying to figure out
>>> how to attach them .
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Re: First project in new shop

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On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:53 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
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> Hey Cole
> I cant wait to see what you did! Please post some pictures?
>
> If the size it to big for the group, you can e-mail them to me.
> curt.geo...@yahoo.com
> I sent a email to you  Curt , could not find a way to import hoots to the
> thread from my pad . Check your other email and see if you can attach them
> for us
> C.A.G.
>
> On Tuesday, May 29, 2018, 8:43:24 PM EDT, cole 
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> how to attach them .
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Re: First project in new shop

[Cole Andrews]

had to take more picts could not get old ones to import . I am glad
the jig was easier than this  LOL . the saw is a Makita. i wish I had
saved for the Festool , they know so much more about all the ways to
use it. The Makita people had not yet been trained when I called and
asked for accessories. I think i will send photos directly from my pad
to Tim or Curt and see if they insert them into the thread.


On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 8:08 PM, MWF  wrote:
> Hello Cole,
> Thanks for the short note.
> Looking forward to seeing the photos of the "Jig" and how you made it.
> What is the brand & model of your Track Saw?  I have the Festool TS 55 REQ.
> I LOVE it!
> Mac
> 
> 
>
> -Original Message-
>>From: cole
>>Sent: May 29, 2018 8:43 PM
>>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
>>Subject: First project in new shop
>>
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>> easier. Took the Picts with my Pad (Apple) and trying to figure out how to
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Re: Bits to start with

[Cole Andrews]

Do you have the design kit as well , I would buy my bits based on what
i draw at least at first.


On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 6:29 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
Mills  wrote:
> I think that Hone, should do very nicely for you Arkady.
>
> With diamond hones, I normally use medium or coarse.
> When honing my router bits, 30-50 passes per side is what I normally do. To
> keep the bits sharp
> dose not take a lot of work. Now when I buy used router bits, that can be a
> loaded question.
>
> I buy router bits where ever I can find them. (second hand bit can be found
> for penny s vs buying new.)
>
> For an example I just found 6 Amana 1/2" router bits for $6 each at a pawn
> shop last week.
> And I can find HHS 1/4" x 1/2" router bit for $1.00 per pound. at a used
> industrial tool store, End mills can be bought for $14.00- $20.00 (new.)
>
> A Whiteside bit. (Woodcraft stores) and Rockler bit, to name just two,
> Mostly start at $30.+ depending on the size and the profile of the bit. And
> sadly, it never seems that they have the profile that I need.
> This is why, I shop Garage sale and flee markets, more and more.
> I don't want to sound cheap, but I can be considered, frugal When the need
> is not absolute.
> IF I need a bit for a job, then I will buy it, but if I can find a good
> deal, anywhere? ... I will buy that too.  ;-)
>
> Have a good night.
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 19, 2018 3:03 PM, Arkady Paka 
> wrote:
>
>
> Hello Curtis
> What you say about
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B4WFTW/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=IRINIM1TKWQPE&colid=W6SB3AN8FKJ0&psc=1
>
> What grit you use and how light or hard you treat the bit?
>
> Arkady
>
> 2018-02-19 17:57 GMT+02:00 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> :
>
> Hello Arkady
> I use a diamond honing stone.  I own a few different ones, Rockler's work
> well but I like ones a little longer,  so I have bought a few over the
> years.
> http://www.rockler.com/ diamond-hone-sharpening-set?
> utm_source=bing&utm_medium= cpc&utm_campaign=(ROI)% 20Shopping%20-%20Top%
> 20Sellers&msclkid= 2b79e0cb192c190b8c30ba41f4aa7b
> 6a&utm_term=119943999&utm_ content=Top%20Sellers
> The MSC. works very well.but it is a little bit on the large side of things.
> https://www.mscdirect.com/ browse/tnpla/31918709?cid=ppc-
> bing-New%20-%20Abrasives%20-% 20PLA_J14x9u7r__be_ 73323731587507_c_&mkwid=
> J14x9u7r|dc&pcrid= 73323731587507&product_id= 31918709
> There are lots of different company's who make them.
> https://www.lowes.com/pd/Chef- sChoice-Manual-Knife- Sharpener/3662612  I
> very much like this set.
>
> The key thing is, You want to hone the flats on the router bit, not the
> profile its self. depending on the bit some
> don't give you a lot of room for honing. This is another big bonus for
> Magnate, there bit are all easy and open for this.
>
> I hope this helps?
> If not we can go into more detail latter.
> Have a good day.
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 19, 2018 2:10 AM, Arkady Paka 
> wrote:
>
>
> Hello Curtis
> What tool you use for honing router bits?
>
> Arkady
>
> 2018-02-19 5:54 GMT+02:00 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> :
>
> Hello Patrick
>
> Magnate  https://www.magnate. net/SearchResults.asp?Cat=24  For the quality
> VS/$$ these bit are well worth the price.
>
> the flat bottom planning bit 1 1/4 or 1 1/2" bits are the work horse of the
> machine.
> I like the barley twist and roping bits as well.
>
> Magnate has a legacy start up package https://www.magnate.
> net/SearchResults.asp?Cat=26   again for the price you cant beat it.
>
> I have one general rule of thumb, I hone every bit after every use. my bits
> all look new, and cut well. For me it dose not matter who made the bits, Yes
> some are better quality
> then others. but a sharp bit will  always cut better then one that is dull
> or covered with pitch...
> I also rec emend buying adaptors, I own 1/4" 3/8" as well as 1/8" adaptors
> for my 1/2" router motor. that way when I find a good bit I can use it.
>
> One last note.   End Mills (carbide and HHS) are also a very good buy for $
> (two or three flute are the best for wood. BUT I always tell them Its for
> cutting Alum.)  Avoids any hassle...
>
> Have a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 10:00 PM, Patrick Salter
>  wrote:
>
>
> As some of you may know, I just got a new legacy 1000 still in the box
> (assembly begins later this week) and the burning question in my mind is
> what bits should I be looking to get started. I have a bottom bit a couple
> of classic plunge bits.
> Would a barley twist bit or a rope bit be better to practice with? Size?
> I’m assuming that I’ll start getting bits from magnate but open to
> suggestions.
> I’m not sure what I will be making (so many options) but will try a lot of
> things to start.
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Re: Ball and Sphere turning on a legacy

[Cole Andrews]

having a problem visualizing the making and operation , how about a
sketch or drawing . the more further we can push our machines the
better


On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 2:11 AM, Richard Ellis  wrote:
> Hi Tim
> Your message was noted, thanks for pointing it out.
> I have a Revo and am thinking of making
>  The ball & sphere turning device that Bill was talking about. a while ago
>
> I have a rough idea in mind--- Under the front of the router table
> rails make an upside down rotary table ( for want of a better word ) with
> brackets down to hold the router allowing it to swivel
> What do you think ???
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Re: New Members and Moderation

[Cole Andrews]

I made a table with 20 mm holes about every 3 1/2 in . The dogs I can
use with Festool inspired jigs on other tables and tools like my track
saw ( Makita) I don't have Festool money LOL. people like Armor tool
make fences and accessories that will interchange . This is very
repeatable  with no tape required . while I am thinking about it look
at Russ's youtube videos  I think he nuts with the number of holes but
again repeatable forever with lots of clamping options .

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 8:43 PM,   wrote:
> Hello. S.E. Texas. Retired professional firefighter 33 years. Woodworking for 
> 30+ years. New shop 30'x40'. Got our LOC model 1000 w/ legs. All the gears. 
> Porter Cable 3 1/4 hp. @ woodworking show 90's. Recently put on retractable 
> wheels from Rockler. Fit really nice. Want to make flutes on facing of china 
> cabinet. Has anyone cut flutes on flat surface? Making my on cam clamps and 
> work surface to clamp 1 1/2" wide x3/4" thick  X 60" long pc. of wood. Did 
> look on LOC web site and saw their new CNC clamps. Would need ( want ) at 
> least 3 sets. $210.00. A little too expensive.  I can make a jig for less 
> than $20.00. Did look on internet to get some ideas. Work surface will have 
> lots of 3/4" holes ( like workbench bench dog holes ) and make the  cams to 
> fit in bench dog holes. Secure the work surface to the long lower rails under 
> router carriage. Any ideas will help.Steve.
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Re: 16 point twist

[Cole Andrews]

That's what I love about this group someone always willing to help

On Saturday, December 9, 2017, Love to turn in Oregon 
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> Curt thanks for the offer, I have contacted Tim off channel.
>
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Re: How to set up for 16 point start.

[Cole Andrews]

I wish I had read your header ,call me at 229 425 3605 , I will help you
clarify the various configurations

On Friday, December 8, 2017, Cole Andrews  wrote:

> I see it now , take that gear off on the far right and replace it with
> gear laying on the mill.
>
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>> What's going n
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Re: How to set up for 16 point start.

[Cole Andrews]

I see it now , take that gear off on the far right and replace it with gear
laying on the mill.

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Re: How to set up for 16 point start.

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What's going n

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Re: legacys new clamps

[Cole Andrews]

On Thursday, July 13, 2017, CURTIS GEORGE  wrote:

>
> Hello Everyone
> Just found an old picture of my hold down table.
> As I said its a saw blade hold down, wedge the wood in-between the teeth,
> then tighten down the brackets for the bottom. the teeth bite in and the
> clamping action holds the work down on the table.
> Easy and it dose what was needed.
> Just my 2 cents worth...
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
>
> --
> *From: *"Russ Veinot"  >
> *To: *legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> 
> *Sent: *Thursday, July 13, 2017 9:41:14 AM
> *Subject: *RE: legacys new clamps I like. It easy to make on the mill.
>
>
> The main design idea of this lock is that it pushes the lock downward
> while squeezing the piece on its edge only.  This is significantly
> different from most locks (like my wonder pups).
>
> I can be as thrifty as the next guy (like I explain in my grr-rriper video
> on Youtube). Even though I am now retired, sometimes I just spoil myself.
> Sometimes a good quality tool or accessory is worth the price  (sometimes
> not). My main point was this tool seems to be a quality made and well
> designed.  not always the case with high priced tools.
>
> Have a terrific day.
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> 
> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> ]
> *On Behalf Of *Richard Ellis
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 13, 2017 1:26 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
> *Subject:* Re: legacys new clamps
>
>
>
>  In my opinion time is money if in business Maybe worth it !!!??? However
> I am not,, and a good lot of Legacy manual mill owners are not,, so they
> are not for me .If I cant make a couple of clamps to hold things I shall
> give up and vegetate more quickly.
>
> I have just managed to put a motor to the Revo Spindle, Testing today will
> let you know what happens, No doubt I shall have to make a clamp or two to
> hold it whilst testing--won't cost 70 dollars .
>
> Cheers
>
> Richard
>
> On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 12:42:26 PM UTC+1, aussiman wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dv3qfYPlKE&feature=em-uploademail
>
>
>
> what do you all think of these new clamps from legacy .they look like they
> might be quite good id probably buy a couple and try them but legacy has no
> way to buy online that I know of for international  so that’s never going
> to happen.
>
> I would like to hear any feedback if anyone can manage to buy a set.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
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Re: Triton router

[Cole Andrews]

Love my triton . like Bill said you will need a ext to get full use of
your bits , without any router  will severely limited.


On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 3:10 AM, Bill Bulkeley  wrote:
> Fit your triton router with one of these 
> http://www.routertechnologies.com/extreme%20extension.htm
> Then you can change bits with the legacy hex key
> Bill
>
> -Original Message-
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Riggen
> Sent: Saturday, 18 March 2017 2:20 PM
> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Subject: Triton router
>
> I currently am using a Skill router on my 900 mill. I am thinking of 
> replacing it with a Triton TRA001. My question is how difficult is it to 
> change router bits. I have a Triton TRA001 mounted in my router table and 
> have never change the bit except when the router is mounted in the table and 
> it is SIMPLE then!
>
> Jim
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Re: YouTube Videos

[Cole Andrews]

Sometimes it is easier to follow one of these guys that post the video
.That is best grouping you will get . everything else is just a
tangled  mess of spaghetti like stuff, usually connected in some way.


On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Jim Riggen  wrote:
> I am not very familiar with youtube.  Therefore, I have some questions.
>
> To find LOM videos do I just search in general or are they all in some sort
> of repository, ie, a folder, a named group, etc.
>
> I have done a search using 'ornamental mill' and get some results and
> watching one of those leads to another dozen or so, and on, and on, and on,
> Are they not in a single location or organized in some way?
>
> Thanks for any help you can give me.
>
> Jim
>
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Re: Height of Mill

[Cole Andrews]

mine is 40 1/4 and I am 6'2'' ,.you want to  be able to lean
over and see the bit on your material. I think the 40 in is good , I
also have a shelf at the bottom that I put stuff on which puts the
difference at 33 in, you will need that when you do any mortise and
tenon work vertically.

On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 7:42 PM, MAX LATHAM  wrote:
> Just put it on wheels
>
> max
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: rookie
> Date:03/03/2017 18:26 (GMT-06:00)
> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
> Subject: Re: Height of Mill
>
> Greetings Jim,  in regard to your question about the height from the floor
> to the top of the top rail it is 41 and a 1/2 inches.  To another of your
> questions I am 5'10" and find the height of the 900 stand easy t o work
> with, Shell in Oregon.
>
> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 3:45:11 PM UTC-8, Jim Riggen wrote:
>>
>> To All,
>>
>> I recently bought a model 900 without the legs.  I am building a bench for
>> it and am wondering what the height should be.  For those of you with a
>> model 900, how high is it off the floor and are you satisfied with the
>> height?
>>
>> A better question might be, "What is the dimension from the floor to the
>> top of the upper fixed rails?  I think that encompasses more than just the
>> 900.
>>
>> Also, how tall are you?  I'm sure what is optimum for someone 5'5" is not
>> the same for someone 6'0", etc, etc.
>>
>> Thank you for your help.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
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Re: X-Axis Template following with a Rotary Table.

[Cole Andrews]

Very creative, most impressive

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 1:59 PM, CURTIS GEORGE  wrote:
> That's Awesome Mike!
> You are right this idea opens up a lot of new  possibilities.  Now all that
> I have to do is Re-invent the wheel for my Legacy. ;-p
> Lots to think about. Thank you.
> C.A.G.
> 
> From: "Okla Mike (Liltwisted)" 
> To: "Mike Pung" 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 12:51:45 AM
> Subject: X-Axis Template following with a Rotary Table.
>
> You read it right "X" axis.  Have a look at the video
> https://youtu.be/nh1JTcyLWOI it opens up a lot of possibilities.
>
> Mike OK
>
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Re: Woodchuck video , cutting from the side using a motor and template

[Cole Andrews]

I had never seen the woodchuck in action before and thanks for finding
that template  project,


On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 6:54 AM, CURTIS GEORGE  wrote:
> Hello Everyone
> I've been telling everyone about the spindle motor drive unit for Years now,
> No one in our group ever says anything about it, so this topic always dies
> out quickly.
> I found this clip of Tracy using the very same concept on this video.  (They
> say a picture is worth 1000 words, Well I hope this video is worth at least
> that many reply's...?)
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/c1l2rk3x7x8u8tp/AABDOUO18HBunlPyT1m7sQ1aa?dl=0
>
> Please let me know what you think.
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: Allow me to try again?

[Cole Andrews]

Get well soon ,cancer is a tough fight. I think 3000 is about right ,
also what other accessories might you have like gears, rotary table
jigs that you have made for it.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Don Butler  wrote:
> OK, I have some more info on the LOM. The distance between the headstock and
> the tailstock pulled all the way back is about 84" . The width between the
> top rails is 11 1/2".
> The mill does have the X axis motor drive including limit switches and speed
> control. I built my own mobility wheel set that includes a shelf just above
> the floor.
> LOM does have dust collection kit ( not very efficient, I often didn't use
> it). No tool rack.
> The included router is a Hitachi M12V 3.25 HP.
> I have some more tools I would sell, but I'm not able to get at them right
> now. Let's concentrate on the hardest case, the LOM. I'll post about the
> other things when I can.
> Thanks.
> Don
>
> On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 at 3:31:10 PM UTC-5, Don Butler wrote:
>>
>> Last November, I believe it was, when I posted my LOM for sale. I didn't
>> really want to sell it, but I was discovered to have pancreatic cancer and
>> it's unlikely I will ever be able to use it again.
>>
>> I asked at the time for some ideas about what to ask for it. Someone
>> thought I should start at about $3000. Probably too high, perhaps?
>>
>> At the time I wasn't able to get my pictures together, but they are
>> attached to this post, now.
>>
>> Notice that I'm including the router, the large rope bits and the rotary
>> table. There is also a set of four VCR tapes for which I also have converted
>> a set of discs.
>>
>> I also have a number of shop machines and hand held power tools,
>> sharpening  tools for drill bits and chisel/plane blades.
>>
>> It all has to be sold. I don't have anyone to will them to. I would
>> entertain reasonable offers. I live in a small town a few miles south of
>> Erie, PA.
>>
>> Don Butller
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Re: Pictures of Rotary Table

[Cole Andrews]

I'm Impressed

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 5:57 AM, Richard Ellis  wrote:
> Mike,
> I hope the following pics help to understand what I have done to make the
> Rotary Table more useful. Any questions just ask away.
> Richard
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Re: Question for all? on the Wave attachment.

[Cole Andrews]

I am always looking to learn

On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 3:42 PM, MAX LATHAM  wrote:
> Knowledge depth is difficult to quantify.
>
> I am old and still learning and I appreciate all the posts in the past which
> I have saved and if the Lord lets me be here a few more years, I'll dust 'em
> off and go to letting the sawdust fly.
>
>
> I'll post latest Legacy product when it is finished. Just stained it
> yesterday
>
>
> max
>
>
>
> 
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>  on behalf of CURTIS GEORGE
> 
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2016 12:45 PM
> To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills
> Subject: Question for all? on the Wave attachment.
>
> I received an E-mail from one person with in our group, asking me to explain
> how I made my Wave Attachment and How I use it.
> I am planing to make a few postings and breakdown of what I do and how...
> My question for you all.  since there has not been a lot of entrust in the
> wave attachment in the past. I would like to know if anyone else would like
> to know more about the Wave attachment?
> If not I will make these posting privately to him. But if any of you would
> like to know more, I can and will post them to the group.
> Please let me know what you think?
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: milling a slabe with the legacy

[Cole Andrews]

You did good , Weather permitting , I am gonna try some this weekend
hope it works.


On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 9:50 PM, Bill Bulkeley  wrote:
> Thank you I was beginning to wonder if my post worked, I had no responses I
> have not uploaded videos before.
>
> I thought it was a neat way of getting the mill to face a way bigger piece
> than it was designed to so I thought I would share
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ccm Ccm
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 December 2016 12:52 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: milling a slabe with the legacy
>
>
>
> very neat Bill
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 5:13 AM, Bill Bulkeley  wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-Qb8lLzLv8
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km6XSLQVo3Y
>
>
>
> here is some pictures and a couple of youtube videos of me milling my
> kitchen bench tops
>
> I had to make the cupboard case first to get a bench long and flat enough
> for the legacy to travel on
>
> And the slabs were just too dam heavy to carry to and from the shop so I’m
> milling them right in the kitchen where they are going.
>
> the feed is operated by the Bill pulling on a rope method .still needs some
> sanding but it’s nice and flat. The side rails it travels on will be removed
> when the milling is done and then panels and doors fitted .
>
>
>
> I’m going with the natural edge look on the tops
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
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Re: milling a slabe with the legacy

[Cole Andrews]

Love my Triton also

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Ccm Ccm  wrote:
> very neat Bill
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 5:13 AM, Bill Bulkeley  wrote:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-Qb8lLzLv8
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km6XSLQVo3Y
>>
>>
>>
>> here is some pictures and a couple of youtube videos of me milling my
>> kitchen bench tops
>>
>> I had to make the cupboard case first to get a bench long and flat enough
>> for the legacy to travel on
>>
>> And the slabs were just too dam heavy to carry to and from the shop so I’m
>> milling them right in the kitchen where they are going.
>>
>> the feed is operated by the Bill pulling on a rope method .still needs
>> some sanding but it’s nice and flat. The side rails it travels on will be
>> removed when the milling is done and then panels and doors fitted .
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m going with the natural edge look on the tops
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
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Re: table for mill.

[Cole Andrews]

Thats where I keep a lot of my tools when not in use , when the the
mill gets used I wheel it onto the front porch, Needless to say when
the weather is too cold or raining I don't get to pay. That was
another reason I looked at Festool ideas is they are portable.I bought
my first Festool sander for working inside( tongue and groove ceilings
, floors and some walls) I wish I could afford more. Looks like my
tracksaw ( Makita) and my mill are the two most accurate power tools I
have. marrying the two together , I believe I can extend my
woodworking season.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 5:45 PM, CURTIS GEORGE  wrote:
> "MAN" Cole!
> I want a couch in my shop now!
> C.A.G.
>
> 
> From: "cole" 
> To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 10:04:26 AM
> Subject: table for mill.
>
>
>  Trying to learn to post a pict from my Mac. need to this often to learn it.
> Made this table with the Festool mft as inspiration. the holes 3,5 in on
> center. only needed one clamp to hold down the materials . the hard part was
> finding someone with the 20mm bit. (ace tool ) drop shipped from CMT,
>  I see this cutting out a lot tape and time. The clamp was a Festool clamp
> for their tracksaw and table .sits up about 1/4 in above the stock. The
> first time I used it I overtightened it and dented it might want a pad
> between it.
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Re: table for mill

[Cole Andrews]

No it did not move , there is a Festool tracksaw clamp coming up from
underneath ,hard to see in the pict. The clamp is line with dogs so it
won't get in the way of he bit. I also tried a long rebat like for a mirror
or piece of glass worked great.  The dogs are  Parf Dogs from Lee valley
and the 20mm router bit to make the hole from CMT was the hard part for me
to get.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016, Richard Ellis  wrote:

> Here is the Pic, do not know what happened to the first one
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 10:27:38 AM UTC, Richard Ellis wrote:
>>
>> Here is a pic of my Table it is 51/2 foot long, have to move the
>> Tailstock well to the end of thw Woodchuck. It is made out of 3/4 plywood
>> ---the best ply I have ever seen.
>> Have used it for all my jigs, It has a black shiny face one side and the
>> other side is a little rougher  as you can see. It was secondhand from a
>> Film Set Studio
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 8:28:27 AM UTC, Richard Ellis wrote:
>>>
>>> Only need a couple more  pegs and wedges great idea I did make a table
>>> very similar for my Woodchuck but not tied it yet
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 8:02:12 AM UTC, aussiman wrote:

 And this idea didn’t move? What about if your feeding away from the
 pegs ?

 Neat if it holds

 Bill



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 *Subject:* Fwd: table for mill



 Part II

 C.A.G.


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 *Subject: *table  for mill





 here is the first thing cut and tested  , just practicing with a
 keyhole bit. This what really got me to looking for alternatives. one Clamp
 no tape , indexable and repetitive.





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Re: Table for the Woodchuck

[Cole Andrews]

Cool mod you made, can't wait to see the projects from it.

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016, Richard Ellis  wrote:

> Here is a pic of the rotary table leaning up against the top bars and
> another showing the base with its spindle
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 11:19:24 AM UTC, aussiman wrote:
>>
>> Looks great what I can see of it I look forward to more pics of it
>>
>> As for the weather nice and warm 28 to 30 degree C most days now
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mill
>> s...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Ellis
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 6 December 2016 10:12 PM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
>> *Subject:* Re: Table for the Woodchuck
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Bill
>>
>>  I can see it now, will put some more pics on of my Rotary table that I
>> made with the same ply and a starter ring gear 164 tooth that I took four
>> teeth out to make it 160. Mig welded it up applied a bit of heat and
>> clamped to make a proper circle.  It was Mikes idea to use a starter
>> ring  The metal object is  the centering device that I put into my Triton
>> router.
>>
>> Do not know why my print has gone blue  it changed when I went and
>> attached the file (pic)
>>
>> All the best and what is the weather like down there ,just a
>> few degrees above freezing here
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 10:52:36 AM UTC, aussiman wrote:
>>
>> Its working i see the pic both times you posted
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mill
>> s...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Richard Ellis
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 6 December 2016 9:37 PM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
>> *Subject:* Table for the Woodchuck
>>
>>
>>
>> Can't seem to put pics on this site did before with the same Camera what
>> is going wrong
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Re: table for the mill

[Cole Andrews]

thanks Curt , got my son in here to Coach me maybe I can remember all this.


On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:34 AM, CURTIS GEORGE 
wrote:

> Good stuff. ;-)
> Thanks Cole.
> C.A.G.
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> *Sent: *Monday, December 5, 2016 4:10:29 PM
> *Subject: *table for the mill
>
>
> The idea for this came from watching Festool guys with their tables,
> already had the clamp from using my tracksaw. the holes are placed 3,5 in
> on center. I made a test cut for a mirror . And it it held awesome tight.
> Was having problems getting the pict  to load to my post thought you could
> forward it to the group for me, Btw Merry Christmas  Everybody
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Re: Balls

[Cole Andrews]

Should'nt the stylus and the bit be same size?

On Thursday, September 29, 2016, Richard Ellis 
wrote:

> Thanks Mike for the explanation.
> Today I put a piece of ash in the chuck --same dia. template in the same
> place as the forsythia and it came out a smaller size, maybe the wood
> pulls the cutter towards it.
> The cutter is on the side nearest the leadscrew and the rotation of the
> spindle is clockwise looking from the headstock.
> I can make the spindle turn the other way , which way would you recommend,
> using a up cutting two flute spiral cutter and top router speed .
> Cheers
> Richard
>
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2016 at 5:40:27 PM UTC+1, LILtwisted wrote:
>>
>> One thing I do when figuring out the path is to draw the ball on a piece
>> of paper, then draw the follower then draw the bit diameter centered on the
>> follower.  If there is a smaller bit than your follower, the follower's
>> center will be farther away from the radius path need to accomplish the
>> finish ball.  You will need to make a smaller template to be left with the
>> correct diameter.
>>
>> Lets say a 2" ball, a 1/2" bit and a 3/4" follower.  the difference of
>> the bit and follower are 1/4" or 1/8" radius.  The radius of the ball is 1"
>> but to correct we need to make it 7/8" radius in order to accommodate the
>> larger radius.
>>
>> the reverse is true if the follower was only 1/4" in this case you would
>> have to add 1/8" to the template to get the cutting side of the blade to
>> swing on a 1" radius.
>>
>> Bottom line here is to draw it out and prove your path with a compass.
>>
>> Mike  OK
>>
>> On 9/28/2016 11:10 AM, Richard Ellis wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 6:02:35 PM UTC+1, Richard Ellis wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All
>>> I am at a loss to understand why, when I try to turn balls from some
>>> pine to go with some kids skittles I have made, they come out looking like
>>> rugby balls instead of spherical shape.
>>> The wood is 1 1/2 dia. and is held in a chuck,--- router cutter is 1/2
>>> inch dia.  the stylus on the end of the router carriage is 1/8 inch dia
>>>  I use a metal washer /plate of the same dia. as the wood as a pattern .
>>> The ball as I have said before comes off oval in shape  it parts of very
>>> easily, I do the end of the wood first then travel back to the washer to do
>>> the other side of the ball,  it just drops off into the sawdust, which was
>>> a surprise
>>> Do I need a larger plate washer or what do you recommend I dois
>>> there a magic formula for the diameters of the cutter plate and stylus
>>> ???
>>> Richard
>>>
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Re: Woodchuck modifications

[Cole Andrews]

looks good/


On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 4:30 AM,   wrote:
> Hi All
>This week I made some hand wheels  to replace the small knobs that it
> came with, for adjusting the tilt , I can now count the turns easier,when
> tilting or leveling , made them out of top quality ply. on my other lathe,
> the handles are boxwood ((( No!!-- not packing case stuff )))
> The table is out of the same 3/4" ply and is for clamping flat stock for
> planing or mortising etc. All the 1/2" holes were made with the router on
> the carriage
> The handle for turning the spindle: bent the metal ,milled the slot ,and the
> wood for the handle is out of my garden , Forsythia, the pith line in it I
> drilled out for the bolt and epoxy glued it in. Next project is to power the
> spindle
> More money saved !!!???
> Cheers
> Richard
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Re: My 800EX

[Cole Andrews]

Hate to hear about poor health , seems it always changes our
perspective and our goals, And not always for the better.
 Along with your mill what other tools might you need to get rid of at
a fair price ( Don't give any of it away especially for what the wife
thinks you paid for it) Hope your health returns to better state. We
will pray for you.


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> Hello and Welcome to the group Paul
> I am sorry to hear that your health is not as good as it once was.
> If you can make up a list of what you have, perhaps someone with in our
> group would like to adapt your tools from you.
> Even thought you are not using your tools now, If you like, To keep your
> mind sharp,If you have any suggestions, and or ideas about woodworking with
> the Legacy would be nice to hear about them form you.
> The model 800 is bench top unit but even though it is smaller than its
> cousins (1000- 1500 ) It is a pretty neat machine!
>
> Have a good day Paul.
> I look forward to hearing more, latter.
> C.A.G.
>
> 
> From: "paul c" 
> To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" 
> Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 3:53:26 PM
> Subject: My 800EX
>
>
> I just joined today__ thank you for accepting me. I found you by sort of
> accident. I own a Legacy 800 EX that I bought from the manufacturer some
> years back. For a very long time, most of my tools had been inaccessible
> (storage.) Fast-forward to about 2 years ago, I had a heart attack and
> almost shuffled out of here... I'm guessing so anyway.
>
> I have developed some other health problems (c.o.p.d.,) that now have made
> me revisit why I should keep certain things I own. I don't want to be a rude
> or grasping person by saying I want to sell my machine but.. I really would
> like to do that.. sell I mean.
>
> I'm fairly certain I still have the (VHS tape) that came with  this machine
> from the original purchase. I of course will supply numerous photos so it
> can be easily seen what is being offered.
>
> At any rate, whatever I do find that is Legacy, will be listed if anyone is
> interested.
>
> I can get together a list of what I have that goes with it.. that will take
> a day or so. Every time I go out to my shop I feel sad that no one is
> getting any good out the machine. I can supply full verification of who I
> am, where I live, or whatever else comes up that would make a potential
> buyer more comfortable with discussing a purchase with me.
>
> If anyone has such an interest, I would welcome that conversation.
>
> Thank you again for allowing me to join you__ paul chartier__ Melbourne
> Florida
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Re: Member requesting to join Legacy Ornamental Mills

[Cole Andrews]

Welcome Phillip

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> Message from Philip Burns
>
> My name is Phil Burns. I am a wood worker and make custom cabinets and
> furniture. I just got an old Legacy manual ornamental mill and would like
> to learn to use it. In looking for video of how to use it, I found this
> site and hope I can find some good pointers in using the mill.
>
>
> --
> *From: *"CURTIS GEORGE"  >
> *To: *"Legacy Ornamental Mills" <
> legacy-ornamental-mills+nore...@googlegroups.com
> 
> >
> *Sent: *Saturday, May 21, 2016 9:16:25 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Member requesting to join Legacy Ornamental Mills
>
> Hello Phil.
> Welcome to the group!  You are welcome to go through our archives, This
> group was formed with the intent, of helping people learn to get the most
> out of the Legacy Ornamental mill.
> Which mill did you buy? And do you have a motor drive on your machine??
>
> The Legacy is a good tool, and it can do a lot of neat things. As a
> Furniture and cabinet maker. I would think split turnings and corner blocks
> and transition pieces would be the things that you would be most interested
> in.
> There are lot of things that the Legacy can do that could help you out in
> your business.
> Having said that. There is a slight learning curve to using this machine,
> I would advise you to "Play" with your mill a-bit, before trying to do any
> thing production.
> As a general rule, You have to go slow, before you can go fast. Spend some
> time experimenting with your mill to get a better feel of how it handles
> and learn the different types of cuts that you can make with your mill.
> For reading meteral I suggest looking at the Legacy builders series. (you
> can find them in our archives off our site.
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/legacy-ornamental-mills
>
> As far as Videos I would highly suggest that you watch Mike Pung's videos
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw  .
>
> If you have any problems please feel free to ask any questions you may
> have. I am sure with all the talented people with in our group. someone out
> there will know a better way to get the job done. I know that Ive run into
> more then a few problems over the years. and I know that we have a good
> group of people out there who will be willing to talk you through any
> problems you may run into.
>
> Again Welcome to the group!
>
> I hope to talk to you soon.
>
> C.A.G.   (Curtis A George.)
>
>
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Re: 1911 grips

[Cole Andrews]

Damn spellcheck , that's not what I wrote! LOL

On Saturday, May 14, 2016, Cole Andrews  wrote:

> I think I will try that mounting my on that with the spoiler board more
> note to the pilaster dogs.
>
> On Sunday, May 15, 2016, Okla Mike (Liltwisted)  > wrote:
>
>> There is another way to secure the work piece to mill it.  I used masking
>> tape and Super glue the other day and it was awesome!!
>>
>> 1.  Apply masking tape to the project piece as well as the work (spoiler
>> board) attached to the machine.
>>
>> 2.  Set them together in place where you will be working with them for a
>> dry fit.
>>
>> 3.  trace around the Project piece when it is in the correct position.
>>
>> 4.  Put a thin layer of super glue on the spoiler board and spray the
>> project piece with glue accelerator.
>>
>> 5.  You have 1 second to adjust alignment when the 2 halves meet, then
>> hold in place for 5 seconds.
>>
>> It's that easy.  They will not slide because there is a 100% glue contact
>> with the masking tape on both surfaces and a positive bond holding the two
>> tape pieces together.
>>
>> When it is time to part the two pieces, a slight lifting with a chisels
>> will start the pulling off of one of the masking tape bonds, once it
>> starts, it will be easy to complete.  You are going to be amazed at just
>> how effective this is and wonder where it has been all our lives.
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> OK
>>
>> On 5/14/2016 8:35 PM, CURTIS GEORGE wrote:
>>
>> Hello Cole
>> I wish you luck on this job. (YES Please send pictures!)  I too think
>> that using Dogs should work for you.
>>
>> Good luck on this project,
>> Looking forward, to see what you do.
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"cole" 
>> *To: *"Legacy Ornamental Mills"
>> 
>> *Sent: *Saturday, May 14, 2016 9:16:27 PM
>> *Subject: *1911 grips
>>
>>  I believe I may have my first paying gig. A customer wants me to make
>> grips for guns if I can make a good prototype for him . I am trying to work
>> out a template of some sort. the ones he supplied as an example have a
>> slight curve looking from the end and  are tapered width ways top to
>> bottom. Has anybody else try this yet? I was thinking  pilaster dogs but
>> that taper thing has me wondering. BTW Curt tried out that toy you sent me
>> works like a charm . I just got too aggressive with cuts and knocked the
>> blank off my glue block I will try again soon pictures to follow.
>>
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Re: 1911 grips

[Cole Andrews]

I think I will try that mounting my on that with the spoiler board more
note to the pilaster dogs.

On Sunday, May 15, 2016, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) 
wrote:

> There is another way to secure the work piece to mill it.  I used masking
> tape and Super glue the other day and it was awesome!!
>
> 1.  Apply masking tape to the project piece as well as the work (spoiler
> board) attached to the machine.
>
> 2.  Set them together in place where you will be working with them for a
> dry fit.
>
> 3.  trace around the Project piece when it is in the correct position.
>
> 4.  Put a thin layer of super glue on the spoiler board and spray the
> project piece with glue accelerator.
>
> 5.  You have 1 second to adjust alignment when the 2 halves meet, then
> hold in place for 5 seconds.
>
> It's that easy.  They will not slide because there is a 100% glue contact
> with the masking tape on both surfaces and a positive bond holding the two
> tape pieces together.
>
> When it is time to part the two pieces, a slight lifting with a chisels
> will start the pulling off of one of the masking tape bonds, once it
> starts, it will be easy to complete.  You are going to be amazed at just
> how effective this is and wonder where it has been all our lives.
>
>
> Mike
>
> OK
>
> On 5/14/2016 8:35 PM, CURTIS GEORGE wrote:
>
> Hello Cole
> I wish you luck on this job. (YES Please send pictures!)  I too think that
> using Dogs should work for you.
>
> Good luck on this project,
> Looking forward, to see what you do.
> C.A.G.
>
> --
> *From: *"cole" 
> 
> *To: *"Legacy Ornamental Mills" 
> 
> *Sent: *Saturday, May 14, 2016 9:16:27 PM
> *Subject: *1911 grips
>
>  I believe I may have my first paying gig. A customer wants me to make
> grips for guns if I can make a good prototype for him . I am trying to work
> out a template of some sort. the ones he supplied as an example have a
> slight curve looking from the end and  are tapered width ways top to
> bottom. Has anybody else try this yet? I was thinking  pilaster dogs but
> that taper thing has me wondering. BTW Curt tried out that toy you sent me
> works like a charm . I just got too aggressive with cuts and knocked the
> blank off my glue block I will try again soon pictures to follow.
>
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Re: Voxa 54's newest video

[Cole Andrews]

Curt just put in your will ,I will take good care of anything you need. LOL

On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Bill Bulkeley  wrote:
>
>
> Dam guys so morbid, haven’t you all even considered you might out live the
> wife’s and get to throw away all their stuff
>
> Instead.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger Phebey
> Sent: Friday, 29 April 2016 7:25 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>
>
> Subject: RE: Voxa 54's newest video
>
>
>
> Hi Curt
>
> As someone who has been married 52 years I understand your position about
> understanding the “wife”, sorry it does not change even with more time.
>
>
>
> Both my wife and daughter go on about all the stuff in my workshop just so I
> know that they don’t get to throw my stuff away!
>
> Enjoy it while you can.
>
> Cheers
>
> Roger
>
>
>
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE
> Sent: 28 April 2016 14:30
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voxa 54's newest video
>
>
>
> No problems here Michael.
>
>
>
> Im a slow learner, but after 22 yrs. of marriage, I finally relies that My
> wife and I will never fully understand each-other , and worse our kids don't
> understand ether of us. So when I die, all my toys will be most likely given
> or thrown away.   BUT until that day, I plan to make a lot of NEAT things!
> And who know's? perhaps the things I make will last for generations after Im
> gone. ;-)
>
>
>
> Im still looking for the video on making that wooden tea pot.
>
>
>
> More latter.
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> 
>
> From: "Michael Kratky" 
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 8:38:25 AM
> Subject: RE: Voxa 54's newest video
>
>
>
> Sorry Curtis I’m not good with initials.
>
>
>
> Don’t think wives understand this woodworking/woodturning addiction the
> alternative could very well be spots cars or motorcycles and tattoos.
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 10:32 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voxa 54's newest video
>
>
>
> Hey Michael this is Curtis.
>
> Don't feel bad.
>
> I know when I die, my wife will open up the shop and say take it all, its
> free!  (And I will be rolling in my grave!)  ;-p  She has no clue what I
> have or its value, only its a mess that she dose not want to take care of.
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> From: "Michael Kratky" 
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 8:21:12 PM
> Subject: RE: Voxa 54's newest video
>
>
>
> Craig,
>
>
>
> Had the urge to make a Michael Gibson tea pot after I saw him do it 3 years
> ago but then I kind of forgot the process until the Voxa video reminded me
> of it, now I’m looking myself for any YouTube type videos to shake the cob
> webs loose in this old noggin of mine.
>
>
>
> “My biggest fear is that when I die my wife will sell my tools for what I
> said they cost me”
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 8:02 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voxa 54's newest video
>
>
>
> Hello Michael
>
> I remember a video of making a wooden tea pot, Im all but sure its was
> Gibson, the photos look to be very much what I remember, but I could be
> wrong?  Ive been looking it up, but can not find it. although I did find
> these  http://cnckingdom.com/michael-gibson-woodturnerartist-usa/
> http://webstorehouse.com/inlandwoodturners/library/newsletters/Feb11newsletter.pdf
> I will keep  looking.
>
>
>
> Thanks again Michael
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> From: "Michael Kratky" 
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 10:09:31 AM
> Subject: RE: Voxa 54's newest video
>
>
>
> Don’t believe there are any videos of Michael Gibson making his tea pots
> which he sells for around $5000, to see him make them you’d have to attend a
> woodturning symposium or be invited to attend one of his demos at a local
> woodturning club when he does so. The pyrography enhancements were done by
> his ex-wife Cynthia who is a very accomplished artist in her own right but
> decided to split from Michael about 2 years ago. I saw them both about 3
> years ago at a demo and workshop they put on for the Western Massachusetts
> Woodturners in West Springfield.
>
>
>
> Don’t know how many or if any of this Legacy Group are turners or belong to
> any of the woodturning of woodworking clubs. The national woodturning
> symposium sponsored by the American Ass

Re: New legacy headstock

[Cole Andrews]

I personally like the morse taper.,
how hard would it be to make awhole assembly to swap out.


On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Bill Bulkeley  wrote:
> I personally want the Morse taper id rather cut some holes in the headstock
> to fit the ball bearings
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE
> Sent: Friday, 22 April 2016 10:13 PM
>
>
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New legacy headstock
>
>
>
> Hello and Good morning all.
>
> It looks like this topic is going to die out very quickly.
>
> So before It dose. I would like to know what others think about the idea of
> getting ride of the #2 MT part of the head-stock.
>
> I know its a very nice element to have for adapting form the lathe. But for
> my self this is one element that I just don't use all that often, The
> threads on the 1x8" shaft I use a lot, but other than that, a new indexing
> hub adapter could be made easily. My idea is to make everything smaller so
> that those people out there who have the old plastic bushings can replace
> what they have, with ball-bearings.
>
> When I made my head-stock I used two flange ball-bearing sets to hold my old
> head-stock this worked out find for me, But its far from a perfect way of
> fixing the problem. I know that somewhere, out there someone sells perhaps
> some needle bearing that could be used to replace the bushings I just did
> not spend enough time looking for them.
>
> So far I know that two  people in our group want new head-stocks for there
> machines, I was wondering how many more out there think that this idea could
> be viable for us to , at least think about?
>
> When I made my head-stock, Legacy did not make/sell a ball-bearing
> head-stock,  Latter they did, but Today??? I don't know if they will? since
> the manual machine market is all but gone.
>
> As in all things, (the OLD saying goes )   "there is always more then one
> way to skin a cat." But this Cat, could become a Mountain Lion. Is it worth
> the trouble? Just curious? what do you think?
>
> C.A.G.
>
> 
>
> From: "CURTIS GEORGE" 
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 9:16:22 PM
> Subject: Re: New legacy headstock
>
>
>
> Hello again Max
>
> The headstock that I made back then is still working fine, I have never
> needed to remake it an its still working well today.
>
> Although having said that, I have done some thinking about how to make a
> smaller and better looking headstock for my machine, I just had the need or
> the time to do it.
>
> The Deldrin bearing just were to ... (I don't know the words? Perhaps ?
> light duty for my needs.)
>
> If I was going to make a new headstock for my machine I would go with a
> smaller shaft and get rid of the MT#2 insert part. Perhaps a 1x8 thread by
> 3/4" shaft. grind the shaft down to the headstock gears and tap the hole for
> the screw. this could be done easily enough by almost any metal lathe
> worker. and then you could use smaller thrust bearing and center shaft
> bearings, leaving the room for the locking pin. (which my headstock dose not
> have.) The best part with this idea, all the parts could be found at any
> hardware store thought out the US.
>
>
>
> You could use an Alum. block  (or even some kind of solid plastic block. )
> for the main body, make the ends  fit the Legacy rails. and then, run your
> tail-stock into the block to get your center point. form there its just some
> drilling and setting the bearings. I think it will be pretty easy to do.
>
> Woops! I'm out of time. (my break in now over.)
>
> Talk to you more about this idea latter.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> 
>
> From: "MAX LATHAM" 
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 6:40:37 PM
> Subject: RE: New legacy headstock
>
>
>
> Thanks so much for the reply and consideration. The Morse taper is not the
> problem, I just put too much pressure on the spindle from the foot stock end
> by fixing the transverse bar holding the foot stock, then closing the hold
> down lever hoping to drive the foot stock center into the wood, which proved
> too hard to receive the metal impression.
>Then while milling the C-ring was forced out of its groove causing
> the shaft to seize and stopping the operation.
>Now, I have replaced everything back, reassembled the unit, mounted
> the work piece (looser this time) and finished milling.
> Present goal is to replace the Deldrin bearings with ball bearings.
> There is an old thread by Curtis in which he posted photos of his upgrade
> which is very interesting. What I'm trying to learn, Has there been any
> improvement to his 7/13/05 post
> (
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/legacy-ornamental-mills/$20head$20stock$20bearing|sort:relevance/legacy-ornamental-mills/j5Pr8euYmDw/ZgG_U7hFJIIJ

Re: second turning on L O M

[Cole Andrews]

Looks great

On Tuesday, January 19, 2016, 'Stan Eichelberger' via Legacy Ornamental
Mills  wrote:

> just a quick note found some time over Christmas for this
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Re: TK Index Label Kit

[Cole Andrews]

I like it, sorry I missed it . Just cleaning up my mailbox and saw this.

On Thursday, September 2, 2010, Tim Krause  wrote:

>
> Hi All,
>
> I have put together a label package that will help your indexing tasks on
> the legacy.  The kit includes a magnetic index wheel for fast and reliable
> indexing using the standard index gear, a gradient dial for your x-axis
> leadscrew, and two labels that are for use on your double locking collar
> for indexing the spindle separately from the main indexing system.
>
>
> The graduated dial for the x-axis leadscrew is designed to be a reference
> starting point for your lead screw.  How many times have you slid your
> carriage back just to notice that you're not in the same starting location
> as before on the ruler?  You end up having to decide to move a little
> forward, or a little back and that only leads to errors!  The secret is the
> split nut can only engaged on the leadscrew in one place in order to match
> the original carriage location.  The dial can be reset to the zero mark to
> show you the initial leadscrews orientation. This simple tool will really
> speed up your spiral work when used in conjunction with the magnetic index
> wheel.  More information will be provided shortly on that new method of
> roping.
>
>
> This dial is marked with 8 lines which gives you 1/32" increments for some
> added control but it's not really designed for linear travel
> measurements.
>
> The self adhesive spindle hub labels allow you to dial in your degrees of
> change when using the double locking collar.  A label with a fine line is
> placed on the backside of the headstock drive.  The other label is placed
> on your double locking collar.  The numbers range from 0 to 90 degrees.
> Using this tool you can divide your indexes or offset the spindle in 5º
> increments.  Unfortunately, finer movements are not possible to mark on the
> dial or I would have :-).  I might come up with a vernier scale version but
> it's escaping me at the moment. So, if you need 7.5º your going to have to
> make an educated guess. On the bright side, it's closer than nothing at
> all.  Consider this the poor man's version of the digital tilt boxes now
> available.
>
>
> So there it is, a complete label set.  I'm interested in hearing what you
> all think about these additions.  If you are interested in purchasing the
> kit, please contact me off list for price and availability.
>
> -Tim
>
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Re: rememberance day

[Cole Andrews]

Yes , it does happen here. Our own leaders and politicians ack ashamed of
our military and to be American. I say if your so ashamed to be American go
somewhere else like China for awhile hen come back and tell us how proud
you are then .

On Thursday, November 12, 2015, Bill Bulkeley  wrote:

> I happened to be out shopping in kmart on the 11th at 11am which is our
> remembrance day and time here in Australia and not one person stopped for a
> minute at 11am to remember but me.
>
> What the hell has happened to the world don’t tell me its politicly
> incorrect now as well to remember our fallen soldiers.
>
> Has this happened to any of you guys on your remembrance  days on your
> side of the world. First time I have ever been ashamed to be Australian, I
> know this is not legacy but it really bothered me and I just had to ask.
>
> Bill
>
> Reminded me of this
>
>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kX_3y3u5Uo
>
>
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Re: finding center for a faceplate.

[Cole Andrews]

It showed up today , Thank you .Looks awesome , well made. time to do
some experimenting pics to follow.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Cole Andrews  wrote:
> Awesome, thank you , your the best.
>
>
> On Thursday, October 15, 2015, Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
>  wrote:
>>
>> Very nice Curtis, Cole should be very pleased with that.
>> Time to hit the Hay
>>
>> Mike
>> OK
>>
>> On 10/14/2015 11:23 PM, CURTIS GEORGE wrote:
>>
>> Hello Everyone
>> Here is the newest project to date.
>>
>> Cole I need your home address. (please send it to me on a private e-mail.
>> curtgeo...@wowway.com  )
>>
>> This center finding jig is made out of a 1x8 all thread rod, I could not
>> find a spir for the point, so I use a center drill, the handle and drill
>> point are held in by the use of a 1/4"-20 set screws.
>> This project is pretty easy and cheap one to do, the hole thing,  time
>> wise,  took was less than 30 min. to do.AND cost less then $10.00 to make.
>> (so your see when there is a will, there is always a way,do get it done.)
>>
>> Now the only thing we need is some pictures of how its going to be used, I
>> will let Cole do that. ;-)
>> Have a good night, all.
>> C.A.G.
>> 
>> From: "Cole Andrews" 
>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 10:39:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: finding center for a faceplate.
>>
>> Don't worry ,his sarcasm was not wasted on me.. LOL
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 14, 2015, CURTIS GEORGE 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Cole
>>> I know Roger just ribbing me a little. No harm done. I and I know that He
>>> is correct, but in my book its always going to  be h"A"y. (not a small e but
>>> a BIG A. and I don't care if its right (write) or not.)  ;-P
>>>
>>> The Art of communication is to communicate, No matter how you say it, if
>>> the message was understood, it worked. Sometimes those $10.00 words are
>>> worthless, and other times, my 10 cents mistakes, are priceless. (Its going
>>> to be a good day!)
>>> Take care all.  ;-)
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: "Cole Andrews" 
>>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 9:51:30 AM
>>> Subject: Re: finding center for a faceplate.
>>>
>>> What he lacks in spelling he makes up with his willingness to share. You
>>> gotta love love the guy, have not met him yet may get lucky one day and end
>>> up in his neck of the woods .
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 14, 2015, Roger P  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey Curt
>>>> Hay is what you feed to horses!
>>>> The hey you need is this spelling, and those of us who live in the land
>>>> across the pond know the difference!
>>>> Regards
>>>> Radar Roger
>>>>
>>>> From: CURTIS GEORGE
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 1:13 AM
>>>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: finding center for a faceplate.
>>>>
>>>> "Hay" Cole! (Hay means, "Hello", for those of you on the other side of
>>>> the pond.)  ;-p
>>>>
>>>> I will send you a picture when I can, but this simple jig can be made by
>>>> anyone who owns a lathe with out any problems. (Yes its easer for those who
>>>> own a steel lathe, but even a wood lathe with a Jacobs chuck can do this
>>>> with out much troubles.) ;-) I could even do it on the Legacy, if I wanted
>>>> to spend a hole day drilling at a S L O W,
>>>> S P E E D.  ;-P
>>>>
>>>> Wait! I know that I said that with a Tung and cheek expression, BUT
>>>> Why not buy a 1x8 dia. at any machine supply store, and then you could make
>>>> this jig out of wood ,alum. or plastic, You do not have to be stuck, 
>>>> working
>>>> with steel , any material  that can be made to fit a 1x8 thread could be
>>>> used. Its just a pointer/indexing method to put a piece of wood onto a
>>>> faceplate, nothing fancy is really needed here.
>>>>
>>>> Now that I think about it, There is a third way you can get this job
>>>> done easily. mark an Big X in the center of your wood, and then place the
>>>> faceplate on the wood, and by eye, align the hole of the face

Re: finding center for a faceplate.

[Cole Andrews]

Awesome, thank you , your the best.

On Thursday, October 15, 2015, Okla Mike (Liltwisted) 
wrote:

> Very nice Curtis, Cole should be very pleased with that.
> Time to hit the Hay
>
> Mike
> OK
>
> On 10/14/2015 11:23 PM, CURTIS GEORGE wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone
> Here is the newest project to date.
>
> Cole I need your home address. (please send it to me on a private e-mail.
> curtgeo...@wowway.com
>   )
>
> This center finding jig is made out of a 1x8 all thread rod, I could not
> find a spir for the point, so I use a center drill, the handle and drill
> point are held in by the use of a 1/4"-20 set screws.
> This project is pretty easy and cheap one to do, the hole thing,  time
> wise,  took was less than 30 min. to do.AND cost less then $10.00 to make.
> (so your see when there is a will, there is always a way,do get it done.)
>
> Now the only thing we need is some pictures of how its going to be used, I
> will let Cole do that. ;-)
> Have a good night, all.
> C.A.G.
> --
> *From: *"Cole Andrews" 
> 
> *To: *legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 14, 2015 10:39:03 AM
> *Subject: *Re: finding center for a faceplate.
>
> Don't worry ,his sarcasm was not wasted on me.. LOL
>
> On Wednesday, October 14, 2015, CURTIS GEORGE <
> 
> curtgeo...@wowway.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Thanks Cole
>> I know Roger just ribbing me a little. No harm done. I and I know that He
>> is correct, but in my book its always going to  be h"A"y. (not a small e
>> but a BIG A. and I don't care if its right (write) or not.)  ;-P
>>
>> The Art of communication is to communicate, No matter how you say it, if
>> the message was understood, it worked. Sometimes those $10.00 words are
>> worthless, and other times, my 10 cents mistakes, are priceless. (Its going
>> to be a good day!)
>> Take care all.  ;-)
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Cole Andrews" > >
>> *To: *legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 14, 2015 9:51:30 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: finding center for a faceplate.
>>
>> What he lacks in spelling he makes up with his willingness to share. You
>> gotta love love the guy, have not met him yet may get lucky one day and end
>> up in his neck of the woods .
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 14, 2015, Roger P > > wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Curt
>>> Hay is what you feed to horses!
>>> The hey you need is this spelling, and those of us who live in the land
>>> across the pond know the difference!
>>> Regards
>>> Radar Roger
>>>
>>> *From:* CURTIS GEORGE
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2015 1:13 AM
>>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> *Subject:* Re: finding center for a faceplate.
>>>
>>> "Hay" Cole! (Hay means, "Hello", for those of you on the other side of
>>> the pond.)  ;-p
>>>
>>> I will send you a picture when I can, but this simple jig can be made by
>>> anyone who owns a lathe with out any problems. (Yes its easer for those who
>>> own a steel lathe, but even a wood lathe with a Jacobs chuck can do this
>>> with out much troubles.) ;-) I could even do it on the Legacy, if I wanted
>>> to spend a hole day drilling at a S L O W,
>>> S P E E D.  ;-P
>>>
>>> Wait! I know that I said that with a Tung and cheek expression, BUT
>>> Why not buy a 1x8 dia. at any machine supply store, and then you could make
>>> this jig out of wood ,alum. or plastic, You do not have to be stuck,
>>> working with steel , any material  that can be made to fit a 1x8 thread
>>> could be used. Its just a pointer/indexing method to put a piece of wood
>>> onto a faceplate, nothing fancy is really needed here.
>>>
>>> Now that I think about it, There is a third way you can get this job
>>> done easily. mark an Big X in the center of your wood, and then place the
>>> faceplate on the wood, and by eye, align the hole of the faceplate with the
>>> X, you should get pretty close by lining the wood up this way. (that is at
>>> least until you get your jig made up. :-) .)
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Cole Andrews" 
>>> *To: *legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 13, 2015 7:19:49 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: finding center for a faceplate.

Re: finding center for a faceplate.

[Cole Andrews]

Don't worry ,his sarcasm was not wasted on me.. LOL

On Wednesday, October 14, 2015, CURTIS GEORGE  wrote:

> Thanks Cole
> I know Roger just ribbing me a little. No harm done. I and I know that He
> is correct, but in my book its always going to  be h"A"y. (not a small e
> but a BIG A. and I don't care if its right (write) or not.)  ;-P
>
> The Art of communication is to communicate, No matter how you say it, if
> the message was understood, it worked. Sometimes those $10.00 words are
> worthless, and other times, my 10 cents mistakes, are priceless. (Its going
> to be a good day!)
> Take care all.  ;-)
> C.A.G.
>
>
> --
> *From: *"Cole Andrews"  >
> *To: *legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 14, 2015 9:51:30 AM
> *Subject: *Re: finding center for a faceplate.
>
> What he lacks in spelling he makes up with his willingness to share. You
> gotta love love the guy, have not met him yet may get lucky one day and end
> up in his neck of the woods .
>
> On Wednesday, October 14, 2015, Roger P  > wrote:
>
>> Hey Curt
>> Hay is what you feed to horses!
>> The hey you need is this spelling, and those of us who live in the land
>> across the pond know the difference!
>> Regards
>> Radar Roger
>>
>> *From:* CURTIS GEORGE
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2015 1:13 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: finding center for a faceplate.
>>
>> "Hay" Cole! (Hay means, "Hello", for those of you on the other side of
>> the pond.)  ;-p
>>
>> I will send you a picture when I can, but this simple jig can be made by
>> anyone who owns a lathe with out any problems. (Yes its easer for those who
>> own a steel lathe, but even a wood lathe with a Jacobs chuck can do this
>> with out much troubles.) ;-) I could even do it on the Legacy, if I wanted
>> to spend a hole day drilling at a S L O W,
>> S P E E D.  ;-P
>>
>> Wait! I know that I said that with a Tung and cheek expression, BUT   Why
>> not buy a 1x8 dia. at any machine supply store, and then you could make
>> this jig out of wood ,alum. or plastic, You do not have to be stuck,
>> working with steel , any material  that can be made to fit a 1x8 thread
>> could be used. Its just a pointer/indexing method to put a piece of wood
>> onto a faceplate, nothing fancy is really needed here.
>>
>> Now that I think about it, There is a third way you can get this job done
>> easily. mark an Big X in the center of your wood, and then place the
>> faceplate on the wood, and by eye, align the hole of the faceplate with the
>> X, you should get pretty close by lining the wood up this way. (that is at
>> least until you get your jig made up. :-) .)
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Cole Andrews" 
>> *To: *legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 13, 2015 7:19:49 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: finding center for a faceplate.
>>
>> Thanks I like both of those , a lot better than my eyeball is what I am
>> after. Trying to
>> Learn a new skill . Want to make a lid for a box
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 13, 2015, CURTIS GEORGE 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> I made a tool a few years back that was made out of a 1x8 all thread
>>> rod, with a center pin set in the middle of it,
>>> When I was mounting a turning that was not centered I could use my
>>> independent chuck with and on it even though the turning was not centered
>>> any more. this device could be used on faceplates as well.
>>> What I did was cut a 2" piece of all thread rod, and mount it in a
>>> lathe, using a center drill I, drilled the center and put a spur in the
>>> hole, and then drilled another hole across the ATR (All Thread rod.)   so
>>> to make a turn screw out of it.
>>> I went one step farther, by drilling out the center on the back side of
>>> the ATR with a 5/8" hole, so it can be mounted on my Shop-smith lathe, ( I
>>> know you don't need this extra hole, but for me it greatly speeded up
>>> production time, for my re-polishing of old dummy arms, ones that are cut
>>> off center with a band saw, after the turnings are completed.
>>>
>>> I have pictures of this, (I can send you them when I get home.) on my
>>> computer, but Im at work at this min. and will not be home until at least
>>> midnight.
>>>
>>> gota run
>>>
>>

Re: finding center for a faceplate.

[Cole Andrews]

What he lacks in spelling he makes up with his willingness to share. You
gotta love love the guy, have not met him yet may get lucky one day and end
up in his neck of the woods .

On Wednesday, October 14, 2015, Roger P  wrote:

> Hey Curt
> Hay is what you feed to horses!
> The hey you need is this spelling, and those of us who live in the land
> across the pond know the difference!
> Regards
> Radar Roger
>
> *From:* CURTIS GEORGE
> 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2015 1:13 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> 
> *Subject:* Re: finding center for a faceplate.
>
> "Hay" Cole! (Hay means, "Hello", for those of you on the other side of the
> pond.)  ;-p
>
> I will send you a picture when I can, but this simple jig can be made by
> anyone who owns a lathe with out any problems. (Yes its easer for those who
> own a steel lathe, but even a wood lathe with a Jacobs chuck can do this
> with out much troubles.) ;-) I could even do it on the Legacy, if I wanted
> to spend a hole day drilling at a S L O W,
> S P E E D.  ;-P
>
> Wait! I know that I said that with a Tung and cheek expression, BUT   Why
> not buy a 1x8 dia. at any machine supply store, and then you could make
> this jig out of wood ,alum. or plastic, You do not have to be stuck,
> working with steel , any material  that can be made to fit a 1x8 thread
> could be used. Its just a pointer/indexing method to put a piece of wood
> onto a faceplate, nothing fancy is really needed here.
>
> Now that I think about it, There is a third way you can get this job done
> easily. mark an Big X in the center of your wood, and then place the
> faceplate on the wood, and by eye, align the hole of the faceplate with the
> X, you should get pretty close by lining the wood up this way. (that is at
> least until you get your jig made up. :-) .)
>
> C.A.G.
>
> --
> *From: *"Cole Andrews"  >
> *To: *legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 13, 2015 7:19:49 PM
> *Subject: *Re: finding center for a faceplate.
>
> Thanks I like both of those , a lot better than my eyeball is what I am
> after. Trying to
> Learn a new skill . Want to make a lid for a box
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2015, CURTIS GEORGE  > wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone,
>> I made a tool a few years back that was made out of a 1x8 all thread rod,
>> with a center pin set in the middle of it,
>> When I was mounting a turning that was not centered I could use my
>> independent chuck with and on it even though the turning was not centered
>> any more. this device could be used on faceplates as well.
>> What I did was cut a 2" piece of all thread rod, and mount it in a lathe,
>> using a center drill I, drilled the center and put a spur in the hole, and
>> then drilled another hole across the ATR (All Thread rod.)   so to make a
>> turn screw out of it.
>> I went one step farther, by drilling out the center on the back side of
>> the ATR with a 5/8" hole, so it can be mounted on my Shop-smith lathe, ( I
>> know you don't need this extra hole, but for me it greatly speeded up
>> production time, for my re-polishing of old dummy arms, ones that are cut
>> off center with a band saw, after the turnings are completed.
>>
>> I have pictures of this, (I can send you them when I get home.) on my
>> computer, but Im at work at this min. and will not be home until at least
>> midnight.
>>
>> gota run
>>
>> more latter.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Okla Mike (Liltwisted)" > <http://mail2.wowway.net/JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKED_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','legacym...@iglide.net');>
>> >
>> *To: *legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> <http://mail2.wowway.net/JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKED_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com');>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 13, 2015 4:54:35 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: finding center for a faceplate.
>>
>> 1. Get it as close as you can and re-mill the outer edge
>> 2. Fit a dowel in your face plate center.  Mill a hole in the MDF while
>> on the rotary table the same size.  Dowel will be the alignment and be
>> pulled out when the MDF is secured to the plate.
>>
>> I choose 1.
>>
>> But since I waste a lot of face boards I have a dowel with a finish nail
>> in the center.  I drill a hole, use a compass to draw my plate size,
>> band-saw to size, mill to perfection while spinning.
>>
>> Mike
>> OK
>>
>> On 10/13/2015 11:53 AM, 

Re: finding center for a faceplate.

[Cole Andrews]

That sounds easy enough, I was making to it complicated and way overthought
this. For multiples though I was envisioning something with the 1 x 8
threads with a point like you said , makes it repeatable. After all if you
can only do it once in a row , it's just luck twice and you have started a
pattern .

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015, CURTIS GEORGE  wrote:

> "Hay" Cole! (Hay means, "Hello", for those of you on the other side of the
> pond.)  ;-p
>
> I will send you a picture when I can, but this simple jig can be made by
> anyone who owns a lathe with out any problems. (Yes its easer for those who
> own a steel lathe, but even a wood lathe with a Jacobs chuck can do this
> with out much troubles.) ;-) I could even do it on the Legacy, if I wanted
> to spend a hole day drilling at a S L O W,
> S P E E D.  ;-P
>
> Wait! I know that I said that with a Tung and cheek expression, BUT   Why
> not buy a 1x8 dia. at any machine supply store, and then you could make
> this jig out of wood ,alum. or plastic, You do not have to be stuck,
> working with steel , any material  that can be made to fit a 1x8 thread
> could be used. Its just a pointer/indexing method to put a piece of wood
> onto a faceplate, nothing fancy is really needed here.
>
> Now that I think about it, There is a third way you can get this job done
> easily. mark an Big X in the center of your wood, and then place the
> faceplate on the wood, and by eye, align the hole of the faceplate with the
> X, you should get pretty close by lining the wood up this way. (that is at
> least until you get your jig made up. :-) .)
>
> C.A.G.
>
> --
> *From: *"Cole Andrews"  >
> *To: *legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 13, 2015 7:19:49 PM
> *Subject: *Re: finding center for a faceplate.
>
> Thanks I like both of those , a lot better than my eyeball is what I am
> after. Trying to
> Learn a new skill . Want to make a lid for a box
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2015, CURTIS GEORGE  > wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone,
>> I made a tool a few years back that was made out of a 1x8 all thread rod,
>> with a center pin set in the middle of it,
>> When I was mounting a turning that was not centered I could use my
>> independent chuck with and on it even though the turning was not centered
>> any more. this device could be used on faceplates as well.
>> What I did was cut a 2" piece of all thread rod, and mount it in a lathe,
>> using a center drill I, drilled the center and put a spur in the hole, and
>> then drilled another hole across the ATR (All Thread rod.)   so to make a
>> turn screw out of it.
>> I went one step farther, by drilling out the center on the back side of
>> the ATR with a 5/8" hole, so it can be mounted on my Shop-smith lathe, ( I
>> know you don't need this extra hole, but for me it greatly speeded up
>> production time, for my re-polishing of old dummy arms, ones that are cut
>> off center with a band saw, after the turnings are completed.
>>
>> I have pictures of this, (I can send you them when I get home.) on my
>> computer, but Im at work at this min. and will not be home until at least
>> midnight.
>>
>> gota run
>>
>> more latter.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Okla Mike (Liltwisted)" > <http://mail2.wowway.net/JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKED_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','legacym...@iglide.net');>
>> >
>> *To: *legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> <http://mail2.wowway.net/JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKED_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com');>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 13, 2015 4:54:35 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: finding center for a faceplate.
>>
>> 1. Get it as close as you can and re-mill the outer edge
>> 2. Fit a dowel in your face plate center.  Mill a hole in the MDF while
>> on the rotary table the same size.  Dowel will be the alignment and be
>> pulled out when the MDF is secured to the plate.
>>
>> I choose 1.
>>
>> But since I waste a lot of face boards I have a dowel with a finish nail
>> in the center.  I drill a hole, use a compass to draw my plate size,
>> band-saw to size, mill to perfection while spinning.
>>
>> Mike
>> OK
>>
>> On 10/13/2015 11:53 AM, cole wrote:
>>
>> yes , turned a piece of mdf on the rotary table  and I want to mount a
>> faceplate dead center  so I can mount stock to it with tape.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 12:08:04 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:

Re: finding center for a faceplate.

[Cole Andrews]

Thanks I like both of those , a lot better than my eyeball is what I am
after. Trying to
Learn a new skill . Want to make a lid for a box

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015, CURTIS GEORGE  wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
> I made a tool a few years back that was made out of a 1x8 all thread rod,
> with a center pin set in the middle of it,
> When I was mounting a turning that was not centered I could use my
> independent chuck with and on it even though the turning was not centered
> any more. this device could be used on faceplates as well.
> What I did was cut a 2" piece of all thread rod, and mount it in a lathe,
> using a center drill I, drilled the center and put a spur in the hole, and
> then drilled another hole across the ATR (All Thread rod.)   so to make a
> turn screw out of it.
> I went one step farther, by drilling out the center on the back side of
> the ATR with a 5/8" hole, so it can be mounted on my Shop-smith lathe, ( I
> know you don't need this extra hole, but for me it greatly speeded up
> production time, for my re-polishing of old dummy arms, ones that are cut
> off center with a band saw, after the turnings are completed.
>
> I have pictures of this, (I can send you them when I get home.) on my
> computer, but Im at work at this min. and will not be home until at least
> midnight.
>
> gota run
>
> more latter.
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
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> *From: *"Okla Mike (Liltwisted)"  >
> *To: *legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 13, 2015 4:54:35 PM
> *Subject: *Re: finding center for a faceplate.
>
> 1. Get it as close as you can and re-mill the outer edge
> 2. Fit a dowel in your face plate center.  Mill a hole in the MDF while on
> the rotary table the same size.  Dowel will be the alignment and be pulled
> out when the MDF is secured to the plate.
>
> I choose 1.
>
> But since I waste a lot of face boards I have a dowel with a finish nail
> in the center.  I drill a hole, use a compass to draw my plate size,
> band-saw to size, mill to perfection while spinning.
>
> Mike
> OK
>
> On 10/13/2015 11:53 AM, cole wrote:
>
> yes , turned a piece of mdf on the rotary table  and I want to mount a
> faceplate dead center  so I can mount stock to it with tape.
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 12:08:04 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>>
>> So you have a piece that is already round that you are trying to center
>> on a face plate.  Is that correct?
>>
>> -Tim
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* cole 
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
>> 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2015 8:04 AM
>> *Subject:* finding center for a faceplate.
>>
>>   I know its in here already but have not been able to find post. I would
>> like to try faceplate turning and  i think I need to find exact center of
>> stock before I screw it down . Is there tool or punch that would sit inside
>> my faceplate ? I have 1x8tpi threads .
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Re: Happy Labor day/ Life as the beech. ;-)

[Cole Andrews]

Thank you for having the dogs still attached , gives me ideas for moving
from one machine to another.

On Saturday, September 5, 2015, Ccm Ccm  wrote:

> Curt, nicely done
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2015 at 5:25 PM, CURTIS GEORGE  > wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone, Just a short note to say hello and Wish everyone a good
>> and safe holiday weekend,  (Summer is now Over.)
>>
>> Today was another easy project, one done on the Legacy and then quickly
>> switched to the SS lathe to do the finals and sanding.
>>
>> This rolling pin is a present for my Mother-in-law.  The pin is made out
>> of Beech wood, sanded down to 400 grit and then sealed with a linseed-oil
>> and bee's wax mixture,applied to the spindle while the lathe is in motion,
>> (a friction polish, Quick and durable, to apply and easily repaired when
>> the time need's...)
>>
>> You can see I made a new adapter for my lathe, so I can switch the
>> spindles for one machine to the other, easily with you changing any-thing.
>> (Its nice for big jobs,but just as nice for these kind of small jobs as
>> well. ) It really make life much easier. ;-) If you don't have an adapter
>> for your lathe, I Highly rec emend that you get/make one now. When you need
>> it, it will be to late.
>>
>> Talk to you all latter.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: adjustable center support attachment

[Cole Andrews]

I like your " factory paint job" , makes it look professional. That support
you made looks easy and simple enough , how about some pictures and specs
to go by seeing as you have done a lot of the engineering. Looks like a
drill press vise in one of the photos.

On Wednesday, August 26, 2015, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> an update...here is a job, a 145", 2 1/4"pole getting straight, reeded
> cuts...12 cuts...using a magnate extended bit...also using all three center
> supports...all worked out well, but still need to tweak things a bit...have
> to work on an easy procedure to adjust the height properly...also have a
> small problem in that the pre-rounded poles we receive from our supplier
> are rarely a perfect round...in addition to the fact that the poles can sit
> on a rack for a year or so, thus perhaps the wood shrinking a bit into a
> slight oval shape...so some reeds are a bit deeper than others...a little
> sanding solves any issues but i am trying to get away from doing any
> sanding...began using the motor drive but that was taking a good amount of
> time...then began to simply walk the carriage down the "X" axis and the
> twelve cuts took about 8 minutes...very quick...but the linear rails made
> things slide very easy, almost too easy as the carriage almost ran away
> from me a few times...anyway, just thought i'd post something, as boring
> and plain as this might be...joe
>
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Re: Good, Bad, or indifferent.

[Cole Andrews]

I believe you are right Bill. On things I like about my mill is
repeatability whether I screw up or not is up to me. 1 or 100 times it does
not matter.  One of the things I don't like is raising or lowering the bed
precisely. Get a few extra dollars and buy one of Tim's height adjusters.
Learning how to visualize and draw spirals has also whipped me .

On Tuesday, August 25, 2015, CURTIS GEORGE  wrote:

> Good  morning everyone.
> Bill I think you are right about the quote.  Thank you.
>
> Also on your other message, the slides have been a problem for me too.
>  the funny part of this topic the old 1000 ex  had better slides then the
> newer models.
>
> Perhaps we could get Legacy or another company make or sell us a better
> linear rail that could be used on the older models , Perhaps  someone out
> there could find a affordable linear rail?
>
> And a different tilting head-stock would be nice... Both you and Joe have
> made a head stocks that worked out pretty well for both of you. Perhaps
> that is something that the group should take a look at again?
>
> I have to get going now. (Work calls... Life keeps on moving!) ;-)
>
> Any and All ideas are welcome. Please keep this thread moving, Everyone.
> talk to you all latter.
> C.A.G.
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> *From: *"Bill Bulkeley"  >
> *To: *legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> 
> *Sent: *Monday, August 24, 2015 11:28:53 PM
> *Subject: *RE: Good, Bad, or indifferent.
>
> My American history is not all that good but I believe (A complaint with
> out a possible solution, is called Whining!) was a quote form one of your
> presidents Teddy Roosevelt. Please correct me if I’m wrong .
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> 
> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> ]
> *On Behalf Of *CURTIS GEORGE
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 25 August 2015 10:54 AM
> *To:* Legacy-Ornamental-Mills
> *Subject:* Good, Bad, or indifferent.
>
>
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Just got back from a Working Vacation.
>
>
>
> I was asked the other day what I thought about the Legacy Ornamental mill.
> and How do I use it.
>
>
>
> You see A man asked me the question after seeing one of my canes,  He told
> me that he liked my work, but he has heard a lot of bad stuff about Legacy
> and there products, After researching the topics on the internet, He
> decided Not to buy a Legacy when the machines were new,but Today (Almost 10
> years latter)  he was having second thoughts.
>
>
>
> It should not be surprising to anyone here, that I am and have always been
>  a big fan of the Ornamental Mill. It is a very unique wood working tool,
> that can offer a lot to its user.
>
>
>
> I like the Over head routing ability for both round and flat work. But
> what I normally use the Legacy for the most, is a secondary lathe tool. One
> where I can do my roping, and fluting, as well as making a straight and
> uniformed spindles. (You see making beads and coves on the lathe is pretty
> easy for me, but making a spindle straight, I find Very hard on the lathe.)
>
>
>
>
>
> Any Ways, On to the question . Good, Bad or indifferent.
>
>
>
> We have over 300 people on the group page, I would like to hear something
> form everyone, What Is Good about the Legacy?  What would you change? to
> make the Legacy a better machine, (I dont want to hear a rant about the
> company or any persons in general ...  Think of it as, I personally would
> like the machine to do more? ...Now how can I do that???)  Im sure that
> everyone will have there own ideas on how to build a better mouse trap...
> (so to speak.)  So Lets hear some ideas!
>
>
>
>
>
> I heard someone say the Other day at work,
>
>
>
> A complaint with out a possible solution,is called Whining!
>  (I really like that quote, Perhaps someone out-there knows who said that,
> and if I heard it correctly?)  ;-)
>
>
>
> I don't want any whiners, Just people Who want to become better as what
> they do.
>
> Or people who are willing to Help me, become the best that I can be.
>
>
>
> That's it .
>
> talk to you all latter.
>
> Have a good night all.
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: A NEW LEGACY 900

[Cole Andrews]

What kind of accessories are you looking at to go with it, my favorite is
the rotary table and the circle cutting attachment.  A few setup tools like
feeler gauges and tri squares are definite got to have tools, calipers too.
Practice your routines for each operation over and over and over again .
The learning curve is steep and very satisfying at the same time. Once you
get something it will be second nature until then practice on scrap you
won't feel so bad versus that nice chunk of walnut . Once I get happy about
a part that make  I also practice my staining and finishing .Dont forget to
have fun while you learn and take lots of notes, pictures.

On Monday, August 17, 2015, Eduardo Luzuriaga 
wrote:

> Hi everibody, I am  about to buy a L900, some one who wants to share
> opinios, experience, of this machineri, an advise??? someone to help me to
> take a desicion??
>
> thanks a lot.
>
> Eduardo
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Re: adjustable center support attachment

[Cole Andrews]

 Absolutely gorgeous

On Monday, August 10, 2015, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> here is an update to a fairly boring topic but what the heck, things seem
> to be a bit slow in legacy land lately...completed the adjustable center
> supports(total of three) and have begun using them to produce
> orders...tweaked out the supports a bit by adding guide rails on either
> side of the support...this was necessary, as the supports were not designed
> for such a light load(these are sold as motorcycle lifts,1,100 lbs.
> capacity!) and could easily rock left and right...once the proper height is
> achieved, simply tighten the nuts on the sides and the supports are very
> sturdy and rigid...pictured is a 2 1/4" dia. pole(getting a twisted,
> 1/2", fluted cut, 7 1/2" repeat, 8 cuts) and when set up between head stock
> and tail stock, was a bit bowed in the center, especially when tail stock
> pressure was applied...so the router bit was used as a reference, and set
> at the head stock end of the pole at the 3 o'clock position...then the
> carriage was moved to the center of the pole and the "Y" action on the
> compound table adjusted so the pole met the router bit, just as it did on
> the head stock end...same adjustment was made with the router bit at the 12
> o'clock position, only this time the platform was raised/lowered for the
> adjustment...must sat say it was nice to "dial" in the adjustments, so to
> speak...worked perfectly...for long thin work, this is a nice
> solution...and the side cutting action of the router bit finished the pole
> with almost no sanding necessary...so this mod is in the books...and for
> those in the peanut gallery, still waiting for a delivery of a 55 gallon
> drum of rustoleum "apple red" to finish things off...lol...and as
> always,all comments, questions and critiques are welcome...joe
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Re: Picture I cannot get to thread.

[Cole Andrews]

I only planed the wood before I made staves on the mill, the circles that
used to hold it for turning I made on the mill using the circle center.
Best 25 dollar attachment ever. The jig I made for a router table did not
run as smooth as should . His father ( Jarrett's dad) put it on a brake
lathe and machined it down. Left tool marks but he liked it , said it was
good for character.

On Friday, July 31, 2015, Bill Bulkeley  wrote:

> If you look at the older thread I believe he only partly made it on the
> legacy but I'm sure he will tell us this again
> Bill
>
> -Original Message-
> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Tim
> Krause
> Sent: Saturday, 1 August 2015 11:00 AM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Picture I cannot get to thread.
>
> If you are getting the group message via email, you are able to see the
> video.  If you are looking online at the messages, it's not posted to the
> group.  This is news to me.  There is no failure message from google.  Yet
> another thing that I don't have any control over.
>
> Now the real question is how did he make a 14" round drum on the legacy?
>
> -Tim
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bill Bulkeley" >
> To: >
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 5:15 PM
> Subject: RE: Picture I cannot get to thread.
>
>
> > Video worked here great drum by the way is that the one you made cole
> > Bill
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On
> Behalf Of Tim Krause
> > Sent: Saturday, 1 August 2015 9:15 AM
> > To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com 
> > Subject: Fw: Picture I cannot get to thread.
> >
> > Checking to see  if google filters movies ignore or watch the video
> if
> it works.
> >
> > -Tim
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Cole Andrews" >
> > To: "Tim Krause" >
> > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 11:10 AM
> > Subject: Picture I cannot get to thread.
> >
> >
> > > I tried to post and cannot get it to where I need it.
> > >
> > >
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Re: projects

[Cole Andrews]

Can somebody post this for me if I forward some more Picts , included are a
short video of our finished drum and ain't of my wife with her first
turning. Send me a email address to send . Apple loses the pict from the
library to the mail somehow. I an go to library and forward straight from
there.

On Friday, July 31, 2015, Bill Bulkeley  wrote:

> If you can’t, put it on you tube and post the link here will do
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> 
> [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
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> *On Behalf Of *Cole Andrews
> *Sent:* Saturday, 1 August 2015 2:26 AM
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> 
> *Subject:* Re: projects
>
>
>
> Yes it is a drum, a 14 in snare. I am trying to get the short video to
> this thread , need to check settings .
>
> On Friday, July 31, 2015, MWF  > wrote:
>
> Cole,
> Very nice work - thanks for sharing.
> You state  "And it plays."
> I thought is was possibly a plant holder - that you would put an already
> potted plant in it.  Or that it was a "catch-all" - put fruit, magazines,
> etc. in it.
> Based on your comment, is it a "drum"?  Or have you since attached a pole
> onto it with strings - and play it like an "Appalachian Bass" (pronounced
> "base" - the large stringed instrument.)
> Thanks again.
> Mac
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> -Original Message-
> From: Cole Andrews
> Sent: Jul 31, 2015 12:07 PM
> To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com"
> Subject: Re: projects
>
> This was for one the kids in Danny's Boy Scout troop.
>
> On Friday, July 31, 2015, Cole Andrews  wrote:
>
> Here is something that was partly done on the mill if it was any smaller (
> it is 14 diameter )
> I would have used the mill more. The inner circle was made for the glue up
> using the circle cutting center. 20 pieces of reclaimed barn wood . I did
> the planing on the mill too. And it plays. Finished a hour ago.
> On Friday, July 31, 2015, Bill Bulkeley  > wrote:
>
> http://lumberjocks.com/projects/171154
>
>
>
> http://lumberjocks.com/projects/85600
>
>
>
> http://lumberjocks.com/projects/91344
>
>
>
> I wish projects would find their way to our sight . this is all from the
> same guy, and he is a member here why not post
>
> Bill
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