Re: Extra Rotary Table

[Dan Krager]

I could be interested in a rotary table if it will work with a REVO legacy 
mill.  I don't see how, but I'm inexperienced w these machines.
DanK

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 2:53:36 PM UTC-5 smith...@gmail.com wrote:

> Folks,
> Seeing Curt's home-made rotary table reminded me that I have 2 of them.  I 
> purchased two LOMs (1000 and 1200 I think) and tried to put them together 
> to use the best of each.  I've got a Frankenstein machine that I haven't 
> done much with yet (too many other projects), but I do have 2 rotary tables 
> and only need one.  I don't think either has ever been used, or at least 
> not much.  Does anyone have an idea how much I could sell one for?
> Chris
> Sacramento, California[image: Rotary Table.jpg]
>

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Re: Perfect Wooden Threads

[Dan Krager]

My favorite movie...!   Got it right off, mate, even before I realized you 
were from down under. 
DanK

On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 8:23:45 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> You all did realise it was this I was getting at right
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rne8pOxGuwM&ab_channel=ZahhMan
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Friday, 22 April 2022 8:55 PM
> *To:* LOM Group 
> *Subject:* Re: Perfect Wooden Threads
>
>  
>
> No problem Bill
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 11:28 PM  wrote:
>
> Sorry for the pun guys couldn’t resist being from Australia and all lol
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *bulk...@mmnet.com.au
> *Sent:* Friday, 22 April 2022 2:15 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Perfect Wooden Threads
>
>  
>
> Nut and bolt ?  that’s not a nut and bolt ha ha
>
>  
>
> That’s a nut and boltlol
>
>  
>
> But that soaking idea is a good idea for milling cutter chipping too
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Friday, 22 April 2022 1:15 PM
> *To:* LOM Group 
> *Subject:* Perfect Wooden Threads
>
>  
>
> Interesting but I think we should show him how it's done LOM style. 
>
> I do like his idea of soaking the wood, 
>
> Bill you should have a contest with him lol.
>
>  
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbY6El9Pzcs
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
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Re: REVO mill

[Dan Krager]

Thanks for the welcome.  I figured out where the bracket goes.  
DanK
DanK[image: IMG_20220506_204854231.jpg]

On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 6:58:30 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Well welcome to the Group and thanks for the details of your endeavor. 
> You will do well here and playing on the REVO is Bill's specialty so ask 
> him questions and 
> He will have the answers for you. 
> Super excited you have a REVO, I have been looking for about 3-4 years. 
> Keep us posted on what you make. 
> Again welcome to the group. 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 11:08 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> Recently joined because I reached a milestone I've been drifting towards 
>> for decades, ever since I heard about Legacy Ornamental Mills.  Finally one 
>> within reach came up and it is a very nice and complete as originally 
>> shipped REVO mill. I've finished setting it up in my crowded shop and have 
>> made a couple accoutrements that I deemed desirable. 
>>
>> I added a small extension to the lead screw on the right so I can put the 
>> crank at that end.  Now retired after 60 plus years of woodworking, I 
>> tinker with mostly small stuff, so I have set this one up with 3 
>> workstations across the front, spindles on left, work table in middle and 
>> vertical vise on right.  Working the vertical vise on right gave rise to 
>> the need for crank in the vicinity.  Also made a template follower matching 
>> the original except with interchangeable screw in pilots.  
>>
>> There came with the used machine a bracket of unknown use.  It was in a 
>> package labeled "dust and table hardware".  Does anyone know how this is 
>> used?
>>
>> Happy to be part of this group.  Thank you for letting me join.
>> DanK 
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Re: Extra Rotary Table

[Dan Krager]

Thanks for the answers.  You see, I have the means and maybe motivation to 
make one, but motivation is weak if there is a wheel already invented for 
sale. I cannot view the picture here, Bill because it runs off the screen 
real estate and I can't seem to effectively copy or view it.  ???I can 
see and appreciate the smaller REVO one above.  I hope to get a picture of 
each so I can reasonably compare the differences.  At this point the 
differences seem to be very minor.  
DanK

On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 8:41:17 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> Not as they are no but I think they could be modified to fit. Finding a 
> revo rotary table would be extremely difficult. So I believe modifying a 
> standard one would be the only option
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Friday, 6 May 2022 8:53 PM
> *To:* LOM Group 
> *Subject:* Re: Extra Rotary Table
>
>  
>
> Dan they will not work on the REVO. 
>
>  
>
> Chris 50% of new lots of times. I think I paid around $150.00  for mine. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 11:07 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
> I could be interested in a rotary table if it will work with a REVO legacy 
> mill.  I don't see how, but I'm inexperienced w these machines.
>
> DanK
>
> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 2:53:36 PM UTC-5 smith...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> Seeing Curt's home-made rotary table reminded me that I have 2 of them.  I 
> purchased two LOMs (1000 and 1200 I think) and tried to put them together 
> to use the best of each.  I've got a Frankenstein machine that I haven't 
> done much with yet (too many other projects), but I do have 2 rotary tables 
> and only need one.  I don't think either has ever been used, or at least 
> not much.  Does anyone have an idea how much I could sell one for?
>
> Chris
>
> Sacramento, California
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Re: Perfect Wooden Threads

[Dan Krager]

Southern Indiana.  An Illinois refuge sought asylum in an area where they 
know how to grow food.
DanK


On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 9:04:39 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> That would depend on what country dan is from where are you dan?
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Friday, 6 May 2022 8:54 PM
> *To:* LOM Group 
> *Subject:* Re: Perfect Wooden Threads
>
>  
>
> Hey Bill & Dan how far apart are you guys?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 11:07 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
> My favorite movie...!   Got it right off, mate, even before I realized you 
> were from down under. 
>
> DanK
>
> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 8:23:45 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
> You all did realise it was this I was getting at right
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rne8pOxGuwM&ab_channel=ZahhMan
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Friday, 22 April 2022 8:55 PM
> *To:* LOM Group 
> *Subject:* Re: Perfect Wooden Threads
>
>  
>
> No problem Bill
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 11:28 PM  wrote:
>
> Sorry for the pun guys couldn’t resist being from Australia and all lol
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *bulk...@mmnet.com.au
> *Sent:* Friday, 22 April 2022 2:15 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: Perfect Wooden Threads
>
>  
>
> Nut and bolt ?  that’s not a nut and bolt ha ha
>
>  
>
> That’s a nut and boltlol
>
>  
>
> But that soaking idea is a good idea for milling cutter chipping too
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Friday, 22 April 2022 1:15 PM
> *To:* LOM Group 
> *Subject:* Perfect Wooden Threads
>
>  
>
> Interesting but I think we should show him how it's done LOM style. 
>
> I do like his idea of soaking the wood, 
>
> Bill you should have a contest with him lol.
>
>  
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbY6El9Pzcs
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
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Re: Extra Rotary Table

[Dan Krager]

OK.  Thanks for all the input here.  I have finally collected the pictures 
I wanted to compare the REVO rotary table to the 1000-1800.  Now, it's a 
matter of choosing which route.  Who knows, one might turn up while I'm 
trying to decide.  I'm kinda slow that way...
DanK


On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 10:23:40 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> Ok try this 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjdKjtI_90U&t=45s&ab_channel=aussiman77181
>
>  
>
> Its from my youtube channel showing when I motorised my revo rotary table
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Saturday, 7 May 2022 11:36 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: Extra Rotary Table
>
>  
>
> Thanks for the answers.  You see, I have the means and maybe motivation to 
> make one, but motivation is weak if there is a wheel already invented for 
> sale. I cannot view the picture here, Bill because it runs off the screen 
> real estate and I can't seem to effectively copy or view it.  ???I can 
> see and appreciate the smaller REVO one above.  I hope to get a picture of 
> each so I can reasonably compare the differences.  At this point the 
> differences seem to be very minor.  
>
> DanK
>
>  
>
> On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 8:41:17 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
> Not as they are no but I think they could be modified to fit. Finding a 
> revo rotary table would be extremely difficult. So I believe modifying a 
> standard one would be the only option
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Friday, 6 May 2022 8:53 PM
> *To:* LOM Group 
> *Subject:* Re: Extra Rotary Table
>
>  
>
> Dan they will not work on the REVO. 
>
>  
>
> Chris 50% of new lots of times. I think I paid around $150.00  for mine. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 11:07 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
> I could be interested in a rotary table if it will work with a REVO legacy 
> mill.  I don't see how, but I'm inexperienced w these machines.
>
> DanK
>
> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 2:53:36 PM UTC-5 smith...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> Seeing Curt's home-made rotary table reminded me that I have 2 of them.  I 
> purchased two LOMs (1000 and 1200 I think) and tried to put them together 
> to use the best of each.  I've got a Frankenstein machine that I haven't 
> done much with yet (too many other projects), but I do have 2 rotary tables 
> and only need one.  I don't think either has ever been used, or at least 
> not much.  Does anyone have an idea how much I could sell one for?
>
> Chris
>
> Sacramento, California
>
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REVO and LOM trainging DVDs

[Dan Krager]

Since the DVD materials sent out with the machines originally have been 
taken down and support no longer offered, it is illegal to make them 
available on a site like this?  

I've been reading through all 3688 pages of conversations and the topic of 
"no longer available" has come up several times.  Five DVDs and an owner's 
manual came with my machine (used) and I have no problem sharing them if 
it's legal to do so. If they are copyrighted the fine print isn't 
readable 

I've viewed the ones I have more than once and they are quite good 
instruction and inspiration. 

DanK

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Re: REVO and LOM trainging DVDs

[Dan Krager]

Isn't there a place on this site to upload such media?   Since we're all on 
google here, I have a sharable "drive" where I can put them, but they will 
be there for a limited time.  I was hoping for a more permanent place.  
Links shortly.
DanK

On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 9:52:19 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> You have some very nice information there they would be a great asset to 
> the group I do hope you
>
> Can find a place online to store it for us all to see
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 10 May 2022 11:23 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: REVO and LOM trainging DVDs
>
>  
>
> I was contemplating offering to upload these DVDs to a sharable media 
> location.  I have five DVDs, at least one of which is already on the web.  
> I need guidance where is best to put them.
>
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 10:10:51 AM UTC-4 vie...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I'd be interested as well. And would be happy to pay the expense of 
> duplication.
>
>  
>
> On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 9:59 AM Scott Gauze  wrote:
>
> I would too. Just let me know the cost thank you 
>
> Sent from Scott Gauze
>
> 1-606-571-8553 <(606)%20571-8553>
>
> sga...@foothills.net
>
>
>
> On May 9, 2022, at 8:53 AM, Cole Andrews  wrote:
>
> If you are going to copy a set I would like one too glad to pay any 
> expenses incurred , 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On May 8, 2022, at 8:43 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hello Dan
>
>  
>
> As I understand sharing is not against any laws. as long as there is no 
> profit being made.
>
> I could be wrong? but that's how I see it.
>
> I have been offering my services to the group for years now. that I can 
> take a VHS tape and convert it to DVD for any who choose too.  I have never 
> charged a penny, and No one has ever complained. 
>
>  
>
> What Video's do you have??? 
>
>  
>
> One day we will have our own Web site, with a full Legacy/Phantom video 
> library.  But until that day arrives. I see nothing wrong with sharing 
> between friends.
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
> On Sunday, May 8, 2022, 09:28:27 PM EDT, Dan Krager  
> wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Since the DVD materials sent out with the machines originally have been 
> taken down and support no longer offered, it is illegal to make them 
> available on a site like this?  
>
>  
>
> I've been reading through all 3688 pages of conversations and the topic of 
> "no longer available" has come up several times.  Five DVDs and an owner's 
> manual came with my machine (used) and I have no problem sharing them if 
> it's legal to do so. If they are copyrighted the fine print isn't 
> readable 
>
>  
>
> I've viewed the ones I have more than once and they are quite good 
> instruction and inspiration. 
>
>  
>
> DanK
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REVO DVDs

[Dan Krager]

Here is the link to a folder on "my drive" named "REVO DVDs" where all five 
discs each have their own subfolder.  The subfolder holds the entire DVD, 
so download the entire subfolder and burn it to a dvd for permanency.  

Since this is a personal space, I will hold these here for several months 
to give everyone time to download, after which I will probably need the 
space for something else.  

Still hoping for permanent space on the site.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1MBhAWewRxcVOfk9wjVkOVktxRNol0vbv?usp=sharing

DanK

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Re: REVO DVDs

[Dan Krager]

I'll check on the permissions again.  It takes between 5 and 15 hours to 
upload in entirety a single DVD.  So bear with me while I wait this out.  
My DSL router bleeps when I load it like this so the integrity of the files 
is up for grabs.  The first one I named REVO Training (rev 3) uploaded 
without fault in10 hours.  It should be OK.  The next "Demo DVD" failed on 
the last two files.  The current one is "Training DVD 1", but they all load 
originally as DVD-TS and I have to rename and move them.  This moving about 
can mess with permissions, so I'll check to reset after each one.  

And yes, these are DVD files that must be "burned" to a DVD disc before 
they can be used.  There is so much that can go wrong that it will be a 
miracle if any of it works.  
DanK


On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 4:24:31 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> There doesn’t seem to be any substance to the files they only took a few 
> seconds to download
>
> Any file for a dvd should would take a while to download so something is 
> not right
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Richard Hutley
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 11 May 2022 5:37 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: REVO DVDs
>
>  
>
> Hi Tim,
>
>  
>
> These are DVD files - you have to burn them to a set of DVDs for them to 
> work (which I have not done yet). Did you burn to DVDs?
>
>  
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> On May 10, 2022, at 11:36, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
>  
>
> Hey Dan, I could not get these to play, can you redownload one to 
> yourself and see if it works?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 7:41 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
> Here is the link to a folder on "my drive" named "REVO DVDs" where all 
> five discs each have their own subfolder.  The subfolder holds the entire 
> DVD, so download the entire subfolder and burn it to a dvd for permanency.  
>
>  
>
> Since this is a personal space, I will hold these here for several months 
> to give everyone time to download, after which I will probably need the 
> space for something else.  
>
>  
>
> Still hoping for permanent space on the site.
>
>  
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1MBhAWewRxcVOfk9wjVkOVktxRNol0vbv?usp=sharing
>
>  
>
> DanK
>
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Re: REVO DVDs

[Dan Krager]

I have here a link directly to the "REVO Training" that I think was 
successful.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1wGpGvcFEW-W9qXsx3e7gMQxa4JhrPw3p?usp=sharing


On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 5:59:37 PM UTC-4 Dan Krager wrote:

> I'll check on the permissions again.  It takes between 5 and 15 hours to 
> upload in entirety a single DVD.  So bear with me while I wait this out.  
> My DSL router bleeps when I load it like this so the integrity of the files 
> is up for grabs.  The first one I named REVO Training (rev 3) uploaded 
> without fault in10 hours.  It should be OK.  The next "Demo DVD" failed on 
> the last two files.  The current one is "Training DVD 1", but they all load 
> originally as DVD-TS and I have to rename and move them.  This moving about 
> can mess with permissions, so I'll check to reset after each one.  
>
> And yes, these are DVD files that must be "burned" to a DVD disc before 
> they can be used.  There is so much that can go wrong that it will be a 
> miracle if any of it works.  
> DanK
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 4:24:31 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
>> There doesn’t seem to be any substance to the files they only took a few 
>> seconds to download
>>
>> Any file for a dvd should would take a while to download so something is 
>> not right
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Richard Hutley
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 11 May 2022 5:37 AM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: REVO DVDs
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>>  
>>
>> These are DVD files - you have to burn them to a set of DVDs for them to 
>> work (which I have not done yet). Did you burn to DVDs?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 10, 2022, at 11:36, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hey Dan, I could not get these to play, can you redownload one to 
>> yourself and see if it works?
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 7:41 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>
>> Here is the link to a folder on "my drive" named "REVO DVDs" where all 
>> five discs each have their own subfolder.  The subfolder holds the entire 
>> DVD, so download the entire subfolder and burn it to a dvd for permanency.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Since this is a personal space, I will hold these here for several months 
>> to give everyone time to download, after which I will probably need the 
>> space for something else.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Still hoping for permanent space on the site.
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1MBhAWewRxcVOfk9wjVkOVktxRNol0vbv?usp=sharing
>>
>>  
>>
>> DanK
>>
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REVO DVDs

[Dan Krager]

There is no panic on the time frame.  They will be there forever until I 
need the space for something.  It's not likely that will happen soon and I 
will give plenty of warning.  We're talking months if not years here

A DVD blank is a DVD blank.  If it needs formatting (shouldn't) the 
computer burning the files will do it for you.  The files seem to respond 
to most any media player.

DanK

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Re: REVO DVDs

[Dan Krager]

I have played each disc in its entirety before uploading and found that one 
disc, the demo disc had severe scratches that I was able to buff out for 
the most part.  It is the one that failed to upload two of the files.  So 
that may be the problem.  We'll see what this third one does...it's still 
uploading with four hours to go.  Patience, guys, patience!   
DanK

On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:41:02 AM UTC-4 Dan Krager wrote:

> Here is the link to a folder on "my drive" named "REVO DVDs" where all 
> five discs each have their own subfolder.  The subfolder holds the entire 
> DVD, so download the entire subfolder and burn it to a dvd for permanency.  
>
> Since this is a personal space, I will hold these here for several months 
> to give everyone time to download, after which I will probably need the 
> space for something else.  
>
> Still hoping for permanent space on the site.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1MBhAWewRxcVOfk9wjVkOVktxRNol0vbv?usp=sharing
>
> DanK
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Re: REVO DVDs

[Dan Krager]

Bill, there may have been nothing there yet.  These things take forever to 
upload.  
DanK

On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 4:24:31 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> There doesn’t seem to be any substance to the files they only took a few 
> seconds to download
>
> Any file for a dvd should would take a while to download so something is 
> not right
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Richard Hutley
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 11 May 2022 5:37 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: REVO DVDs
>
>  
>
> Hi Tim,
>
>  
>
> These are DVD files - you have to burn them to a set of DVDs for them to 
> work (which I have not done yet). Did you burn to DVDs?
>
>  
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> On May 10, 2022, at 11:36, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
>  
>
> Hey Dan, I could not get these to play, can you redownload one to 
> yourself and see if it works?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 7:41 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
> Here is the link to a folder on "my drive" named "REVO DVDs" where all 
> five discs each have their own subfolder.  The subfolder holds the entire 
> DVD, so download the entire subfolder and burn it to a dvd for permanency.  
>
>  
>
> Since this is a personal space, I will hold these here for several months 
> to give everyone time to download, after which I will probably need the 
> space for something else.  
>
>  
>
> Still hoping for permanent space on the site.
>
>  
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1MBhAWewRxcVOfk9wjVkOVktxRNol0vbv?usp=sharing
>
>  
>
> DanK
>
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Re: REVO DVDs

[Dan Krager]

Tim, my pipe is busy uploading. I'll be able to download and burn a test to 
see.  
DanK

On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 4:24:31 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> There doesn’t seem to be any substance to the files they only took a few 
> seconds to download
>
> Any file for a dvd should would take a while to download so something is 
> not right
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Richard Hutley
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 11 May 2022 5:37 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: REVO DVDs
>
>  
>
> Hi Tim,
>
>  
>
> These are DVD files - you have to burn them to a set of DVDs for them to 
> work (which I have not done yet). Did you burn to DVDs?
>
>  
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> On May 10, 2022, at 11:36, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
>  
>
> Hey Dan, I could not get these to play, can you redownload one to 
> yourself and see if it works?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 7:41 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
> Here is the link to a folder on "my drive" named "REVO DVDs" where all 
> five discs each have their own subfolder.  The subfolder holds the entire 
> DVD, so download the entire subfolder and burn it to a dvd for permanency.  
>
>  
>
> Since this is a personal space, I will hold these here for several months 
> to give everyone time to download, after which I will probably need the 
> space for something else.  
>
>  
>
> Still hoping for permanent space on the site.
>
>  
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1MBhAWewRxcVOfk9wjVkOVktxRNol0vbv?usp=sharing
>
>  
>
> DanK
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REVO DVDs

[Dan Krager]

Well Gentlemen, so far my efforts to upload have failed.  The reason for 
failure is not clear to me as there could be several reasons and 
combinations of things.  We use DSL on copper as the most reliable and 
fastest internet available in this area.  We don't normally need really 
high speeds or heavy volume, so under normal circumstances this suits us 
fine.  Another reason is that the discs are scratched enough that may cause 
file transfers to hiccup. Uploads are not very hiccup tolerant. They play 
just fine, but media players behave differently than file transfers and are 
a lot more forgiving of defects as a result.  

So I don't know what to do at this point.  There is one file that is error 
free "Revo Training (rev3)" and should work. The other "Demo DVD" is short 
two files that just won't transfer.  

I will try some more, but suggestions are welcome.
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Re: REVO DVDs

[Dan Krager]

That one will be short two files.  I'm trying to upload a copy of that made 
to my hard disk using a different home network.  It's currently on the 
second effort, with 32 of 36 files load.  
DanK

On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 10:44:01 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> I’m not panicking I have one downloading now it’s the demo one its 1.9 gig 
> so looks like that one is coming
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 11 May 2022 8:12 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* REVO DVDs
>
>  
>
> There is no panic on the time frame.  They will be there forever until I 
> need the space for something.  It's not likely that will happen soon and I 
> will give plenty of warning.  We're talking months if not years here
>
>  
>
> A DVD blank is a DVD blank.  If it needs formatting (shouldn't) the 
> computer burning the files will do it for you.  The files seem to respond 
> to most any media player.
>
>  
>
> DanK
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Re: REVO DVDs

[Dan Krager]

This may be a last resort.  I use VLC open source media software and it 
looks like it has a capture feature.  Never tried it.  I'll keep on this 
path for now.  Perhaps the copy to my hard drive will upload better.  
DanK

On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 7:52:52 AM UTC-4 rghu...@gmail.com wrote:

> As Tim says, we really appreciate your efforts Dan. I wished we lived 
> closer so I could help (I’m a computer chap).
>
> You could try playing the disks and use screen capture  software to make a 
> copy of each disk. Each disk would then be recorded in a single non-DVD 
> format file (e.g. mpeg or mov). They would be large but error free and 
> should, therefore, transfer OK.
>
> Rick
>
> On May 11, 2022, at 03:54, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
> 
>
> thanks Dan all we can do is try. And your efforts are much appreciated. 
> I will talk to my Son too and see if he has some idea's. 
> We have a company out by us that does a lot of that sort of thing but the 
> last I checked they
> were like $25.00 per disc so I never used them.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 5:33 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>> Well Gentlemen, so far my efforts to upload have failed.  The reason for 
>> failure is not clear to me as there could be several reasons and 
>> combinations of things.  We use DSL on copper as the most reliable and 
>> fastest internet available in this area.  We don't normally need really 
>> high speeds or heavy volume, so under normal circumstances this suits us 
>> fine.  Another reason is that the discs are scratched enough that may cause 
>> file transfers to hiccup. Uploads are not very hiccup tolerant. They play 
>> just fine, but media players behave differently than file transfers and are 
>> a lot more forgiving of defects as a result.  
>>
>> So I don't know what to do at this point.  There is one file that is 
>> error free "Revo Training (rev3)" and should work. The other "Demo DVD" is 
>> short two files that just won't transfer.  
>>
>> I will try some more, but suggestions are welcome.
>> DanK
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New DVD uplaod problem

[Dan Krager]

It seems that two DVDs is maxing the capacity of "My Drive" allotted 
space.  H...

I'm not inclined to spend money on this buying cloud space.

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Re: New DVD uplaod problem

[Dan Krager]

Google's "remove" function does not free up the "my drive" space until you 
"empty the trash"   So now I have more space and I will try to fill it.  
I'm redoing the demo one with a fresh upload from my hard disc.  After 
several hours it's at 33 of 36 files. Then I try the two training DVDs, one 
of which is small.  
DanK

On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 6:20:44 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> We have lots of time dan just work on one dvd at a time after we all 
> download it remove it and load the next and so on that’s what I do.
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 May 2022 3:14 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* New DVD uplaod problem
>
>  
>
> It seems that two DVDs is maxing the capacity of "My Drive" allotted 
> space.  H...
>
>  
>
> I'm not inclined to spend money on this buying cloud space.
>
>  
>
> DanK
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REVO DVDs

[Dan Krager]

The two files now on "my drive" are complete and uploaded without error. 
They should make good copies of the original DVDs.  The "Demo DVD" files 
were replaced and completed.

Here is the link again.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1gQ_8NbTIUvFSn3N8j1nvYxKwYpWo5bYI?usp=sharing

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Re: REVO DVDs

[Dan Krager]

Bill, my memory is short, were those files complete?  I'm struggling to 
just now get them on my computer disc.  Training DVD 2 won't copy past 
71%.  
DanK


On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 7:59:20 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> Ok Dan I have from you what seems like the demo dvd showing all the legacy 
> mills
>
> And training video one and training video two I have edited and converted 
> them to mp4 files 
>
> So all that remains is the revo assembly and the revo training videos.
>
> Those are the ones I really want to get
>
>  
>
> If anybody wants what I have from Dan so far I can upload them as mp4 for 
> you and post a link where you can get them
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 May 2022 11:38 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* REVO DVDs
>
>  
>
> The two files now on "my drive" are complete and uploaded without error. 
> They should make good copies of the original DVDs.  The "Demo DVD" files 
> were replaced and completed.
>
>  
>
> Here is the link again.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1gQ_8NbTIUvFSn3N8j1nvYxKwYpWo5bYI?usp=sharing
>
>  
>
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Re: REVO DVDs

[Dan Krager]

I had them up and took them down again because they didn't seem complete  
i.e. there were errors uploading.
DanK


On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 9:19:42 AM UTC-4 Dan Krager wrote:

> Bill, my memory is short, were those files complete?  I'm struggling to 
> just now get them on my computer disc.  Training DVD 2 won't copy past 
> 71%.  
> DanK
>
>
> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 7:59:20 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
>> Ok Dan I have from you what seems like the demo dvd showing all the 
>> legacy mills
>>
>> And training video one and training video two I have edited and converted 
>> them to mp4 files 
>>
>> So all that remains is the revo assembly and the revo training videos.
>>
>> Those are the ones I really want to get
>>
>>  
>>
>> If anybody wants what I have from Dan so far I can upload them as mp4 for 
>> you and post a link where you can get them
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 May 2022 11:38 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* REVO DVDs
>>
>>  
>>
>> The two files now on "my drive" are complete and uploaded without error. 
>> They should make good copies of the original DVDs.  The "Demo DVD" files 
>> were replaced and completed.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Here is the link again.
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1gQ_8NbTIUvFSn3N8j1nvYxKwYpWo5bYI?usp=sharing
>>
>>  
>>
>> DanK
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Re: REVO DVDs

[Dan Krager]

And the REVO Training (rev3) is up and complete.  Assembly on its way.
DanK


On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 9:20:58 AM UTC-4 Dan Krager wrote:

> I had them up and took them down again because they didn't seem complete  
> i.e. there were errors uploading.
> DanK
>
>
> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 9:19:42 AM UTC-4 Dan Krager wrote:
>
>> Bill, my memory is short, were those files complete?  I'm struggling to 
>> just now get them on my computer disc.  Training DVD 2 won't copy past 
>> 71%.  
>> DanK
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 7:59:20 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>>
>>> Ok Dan I have from you what seems like the demo dvd showing all the 
>>> legacy mills
>>>
>>> And training video one and training video two I have edited and 
>>> converted them to mp4 files 
>>>
>>> So all that remains is the revo assembly and the revo training videos.
>>>
>>> Those are the ones I really want to get
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> If anybody wants what I have from Dan so far I can upload them as mp4 
>>> for you and post a link where you can get them
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 12 May 2022 11:38 AM
>>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>> *Subject:* REVO DVDs
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> The two files now on "my drive" are complete and uploaded without error. 
>>> They should make good copies of the original DVDs.  The "Demo DVD" files 
>>> were replaced and completed.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Here is the link again.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1gQ_8NbTIUvFSn3N8j1nvYxKwYpWo5bYI?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> DanK
>>>
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REVO DVDs

[Dan Krager]

OK guys, three of five DVDs are successful and complete.  

Here is the link again:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1MBhAWewRxcVOfk9wjVkOVktxRNol0vbv?usp=sharing

DanK

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Re: REVO DVDs

[Dan Krager]

Four of the five DVDs are successfully uploaded and complete.  The Training 
DVD 2 disc is damaged beyond repair and the best I can seem to get off it 
is 71% no matter what I do.  I have a device that repairs scratches and it 
rescues most of what needs fixing.  Three passes has not yet fixed this 
disc, and I cannot visually see the damage.  It plays the menu complete to 
the last three items.  I've noting to lose to keep trying.  

Bill, there are three training DVDs and I'm not sure which one you are 
referring to.   The only missing one now is this "Training DVD 2" which I 
think you said you have.  ???  I'm confused.  Again.  LOL.

DanK

On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 9:22:08 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow Dan you are the man! keep it up. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
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>
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> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
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>
> On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 2:22 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>> OK guys, three of five DVDs are successful and complete.  
>>
>> Here is the link again:
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1MBhAWewRxcVOfk9wjVkOVktxRNol0vbv?usp=sharing
>>
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Cutter selection

[Dan Krager]

Perhaps this newbie question has been addressed elsewhere and if so, please 
redirect my attention. Up front, I do not have designs or projects in mind 
yet, and I realize that the choice of project will determine the style of 
bit used.  

I have a fairly large collection of router bits, but that variety does not 
span the decorative end cutting bits that LOM uses.  I'm wondering if there 
is a recommended list of bits that have a wide range of applications?  The 
range of possible uses is large, but someone with experience must have some 
idea of the ones most commonly used in a variety of projects.

I'll likely be selecting from the Magnate collection

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Re: REVO DVDs

[Dan Krager]

The dust has settled a bit on the DVD upload project.  I've been able to 
successfully upload four of the five DVD's.  The remaining DVD "Training 
DVD 2" has an issue I cannot resolve.  At this point I believe the disc 
came defective from the factory.  The good news is that the defect is near 
the end of the disc and as a result the video plays almost complete, short 
the last two menu items on the menu.  The bad news is that I cannot squeeze 
this last disc on the remaining space in my google drive. So, the 
resolution is a process offered by Timjz  I'll copy the file onto a USB (or 
burn a DVD) and ship it to him.  From there it will go to Bill who will put 
up the MP4 versions. 
DanK

On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 1:11:25 PM UTC-4 Dan Krager wrote:

> This may be a last resort.  I use VLC open source media software and it 
> looks like it has a capture feature.  Never tried it.  I'll keep on this 
> path for now.  Perhaps the copy to my hard drive will upload better.  
> DanK
>
> On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 7:52:52 AM UTC-4 rghu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> As Tim says, we really appreciate your efforts Dan. I wished we lived 
>> closer so I could help (I’m a computer chap).
>>
>> You could try playing the disks and use screen capture  software to make 
>> a copy of each disk. Each disk would then be recorded in a single non-DVD 
>> format file (e.g. mpeg or mov). They would be large but error free and 
>> should, therefore, transfer OK.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> On May 11, 2022, at 03:54, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> thanks Dan all we can do is try. And your efforts are much appreciated. 
>> I will talk to my Son too and see if he has some idea's. 
>> We have a company out by us that does a lot of that sort of thing but the 
>> last I checked they
>> were like $25.00 per disc so I never used them.
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 5:33 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>
>>> Well Gentlemen, so far my efforts to upload have failed.  The reason for 
>>> failure is not clear to me as there could be several reasons and 
>>> combinations of things.  We use DSL on copper as the most reliable and 
>>> fastest internet available in this area.  We don't normally need really 
>>> high speeds or heavy volume, so under normal circumstances this suits us 
>>> fine.  Another reason is that the discs are scratched enough that may cause 
>>> file transfers to hiccup. Uploads are not very hiccup tolerant. They play 
>>> just fine, but media players behave differently than file transfers and are 
>>> a lot more forgiving of defects as a result.  
>>>
>>> So I don't know what to do at this point.  There is one file that is 
>>> error free "Revo Training (rev3)" and should work. The other "Demo DVD" is 
>>> short two files that just won't transfer.  
>>>
>>> I will try some more, but suggestions are welcome.
>>> DanK
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Re: Cutter selection

[Dan Krager]

Thank you Curt.  That was an ambitious project that took some time!   
DanK


On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:07:14 PM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Hello Dan
> Magnate bits are good bits and a fair to lower price range then most other 
> router bit sold in the market.
>
> But having said this There are plenty of other brand router bits that 
> could be used on the Legacy.
>
> Depending on what you are making, And the method you choose to cut with, 
> There are ways to modify a bearing stile bit, By either just removing the 
> bearing, and or grinding off the shank the bearing rides on, to make the 
> router bit a plunge stile bit.
> But there are also other methods of cutting that also may be useful to you 
> , like cutting just off the center, so you get the side profile of the bit, 
> or choosing to cut form the  9 "O"clock position/ side of the spindle.
> And then there also come to play, How much you want to change your set-up 
> of your Legacy.  Example on the Wood Chuck (LOM) (see link) Where the 
> gentleman off set his router carriage to make a scroll cut.
> Another example on You Tube. 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYHGEqxW6ws&t=12s  But there are others 
> that I could point out.  Simple things like not turning the part, and 
> making off-set cuts to make octagon, or any shape by the use of indexing 
> the part instead of turning it. (Legacy use to have a brick cut/stile, 
> video... But I do not know where to find it today.) ;-(  . 
>
> I hope this helps for now?
>
> Have a good day.
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 01:05:11 PM EDT, Dan Krager  
> wrote: 
>
>
> Perhaps this newbie question has been addressed elsewhere and if so, 
> please redirect my attention. Up front, I do not have designs or projects 
> in mind yet, and I realize that the choice of project will determine the 
> style of bit used.  
>
> I have a fairly large collection of router bits, but that variety does not 
> span the decorative end cutting bits that LOM uses.  I'm wondering if there 
> is a recommended list of bits that have a wide range of applications?  The 
> range of possible uses is large, but someone with experience must have some 
> idea of the ones most commonly used in a variety of projects.
>
> I'll likely be selecting from the Magnate collection
>
> DanK
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Re: Cutter selection

[Dan Krager]

I'm making a chart to help with selection.  It may be I'll end up with one 
of their kits, but in the meantime I'm comparing the kits Bill mentioned to 
see which bits are repeated implying more useful. The  chart comparison 
yields 9 bits that are in at least two of the kits. The RBFASTSTARTCNC has 
seven of the nine, so it's a near match. Will be looking up individual 
prices to complete the comparison, then consider what can be done with the 
profiles and eliminate the profiles I already have.  Is there anything 
different about the CNC bits?
DanK

  

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 9:23:10 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> That video example of why you need a tilting router on the legacy lol
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Thursday, 19 May 2022 11:07 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Cutter selection
>
>  
>
> Hello Dan
>
> Magnate bits are good bits and a fair to lower price range then most other 
> router bit sold in the market.
>
>  
>
> But having said this There are plenty of other brand router bits that 
> could be used on the Legacy.
>
>  
>
> Depending on what you are making, And the method you choose to cut with, 
> There are ways to modify a bearing stile bit, By either just removing the 
> bearing, and or grinding off the shank the bearing rides on, to make the 
> router bit a plunge stile bit.
>
> But there are also other methods of cutting that also may be useful to you 
> , like cutting just off the center, so you get the side profile of the bit, 
> or choosing to cut form the  9 "O"clock position/ side of the spindle.
>
> And then there also come to play, How much you want to change your set-up 
> of your Legacy.  Example on the Wood Chuck (LOM) (see link) Where the 
> gentleman off set his router carriage to make a scroll cut.
>
> Another example on You Tube. 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYHGEqxW6ws&t=12s  But there are others 
> that I could point out.  Simple things like not turning the part, and 
> making off-set cuts to make octagon, or any shape by the use of indexing 
> the part instead of turning it. (Legacy use to have a brick cut/stile, 
> video... But I do not know where to find it today.) ;-(  . 
>
>  
>
> I hope this helps for now?
>
>  
>
> Have a good day.
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022, 01:05:11 PM EDT, Dan Krager  
> wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Perhaps this newbie question has been addressed elsewhere and if so, 
> please redirect my attention. Up front, I do not have designs or projects 
> in mind yet, and I realize that the choice of project will determine the 
> style of bit used.  
>
>  
>
> I have a fairly large collection of router bits, but that variety does not 
> span the decorative end cutting bits that LOM uses.  I'm wondering if there 
> is a recommended list of bits that have a wide range of applications?  The 
> range of possible uses is large, but someone with experience must have some 
> idea of the ones most commonly used in a variety of projects.
>
>  
>
> I'll likely be selecting from the Magnate collection
>
>  
>
> DanK
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Re: Cutter selection

[Dan Krager]

Tim, there were no plastic templates with the machine.  I can contact the 
seller to see if she has them... Thanks for the tip!
DanK

On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 10:21:46 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Also Dan do you have the Plastic templates that may have come  with your 
> Machine?
> The Design Kit?
> That would also guide you to what you'd need based of the pics Bill just 
> provided.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 7:21 PM  wrote:
>
>> Have a look here Dan these are a few sets magnate sold for legacy mills  
>> to get a person started with a legacy mill. These might give you a starting 
>> point on what to buy 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>> *Sent:* Thursday, 19 May 2022 3:05 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Cutter selection
>>
>>  
>>
>> Perhaps this newbie question has been addressed elsewhere and if so, 
>> please redirect my attention. Up front, I do not have designs or projects 
>> in mind yet, and I realize that the choice of project will determine the 
>> style of bit used.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> I have a fairly large collection of router bits, but that variety does 
>> not span the decorative end cutting bits that LOM uses.  I'm wondering if 
>> there is a recommended list of bits that have a wide range of 
>> applications?  The range of possible uses is large, but someone with 
>> experience must have some idea of the ones most commonly used in a variety 
>> of projects.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I'll likely be selecting from the Magnate collection
>>
>>  
>>
>> DanK
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Re: Cutter selection

[Dan Krager]

Thanks for the info, Curt.  I did check with the seller and she does not 
remember them.  It is unlikely she will have them if it was a separate 
order thing.  But I will entertain the possibility of buying from someone 
in the group.  

Along those lines, I reached out to Chris Smith  re: turn table sale but no 
joy.  He might be distracted with work right now.  LOL! I'll jiggle his 
chain again...
DanK


On Thursday, May 19, 2022 at 7:48:41 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Hello Dan
>
> Those plastic templates, Tim is talking about were sold as a separate tool 
> and called the Design kit.  If they were not in the package you bought, I 
> would guess the old owner, will not have them. (but it couldn't hurt to 
> ask?)
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 19, 2022, 06:42:54 AM EDT, Dan Krager  
> wrote: 
>
>
> Tim, there were no plastic templates with the machine.  I can contact the 
> seller to see if she has them... Thanks for the tip!
> DanK
>
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 10:21:46 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Also Dan do you have the Plastic templates that may have come  with your 
> Machine?
> The Design Kit?
> That would also guide you to what you'd need based of the pics Bill just 
> provided.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 7:21 PM  wrote:
>
> Have a look here Dan these are a few sets magnate sold for legacy mills  
> to get a person started with a legacy mill. These might give you a starting 
> point on what to buy 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Thursday, 19 May 2022 3:05 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Cutter selection
>
>  
>
> Perhaps this newbie question has been addressed elsewhere and if so, 
> please redirect my attention. Up front, I do not have designs or projects 
> in mind yet, and I realize that the choice of project will determine the 
> style of bit used.  
>
>  
>
> I have a fairly large collection of router bits, but that variety does not 
> span the decorative end cutting bits that LOM uses.  I'm wondering if there 
> is a recommended list of bits that have a wide range of applications?  The 
> range of possible uses is large, but someone with experience must have some 
> idea of the ones most commonly used in a variety of projects.
>
>  
>
> I'll likely be selecting from the Magnate collection
>
>  
>
> DanK
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Re: REVO after a long look....Surprise

[Dan Krager]

Congratulation,s Tim!. Persistence and patience pays off. It was decades 
before I got a clean shot at one.

DanK


On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 11:10:10 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good morning,
>
> Well time to let the cat out of the Bag: I've keep this secret for over 2 
> months, 
> until I really had it on my hands. 
> As most of you know I was looking for a Revo since almost the beginning of 
> my LOM day's. 
> So it should not come as a surprise to many of you that I would get what I 
> am 
> looking for. Many of you know I built my own but deep down I knew if one 
> came
> available I would go after it. Well the time has come after a tip from a 
> fellow friend )(wink)
> I begin pursuing it. I was about to purchase it and my Son decided he was 
> moving 
> back up to the Foreston area, hmm no money, so Dad (me) bailed him out
> this put me in a place that I became hesitant, but soon the reality set in 
> that I may
> never get another chance at a REVO, so I FaceBooked the guy and told him I 
> would take it. 
> Now keep in mind it's in Virginia, and I am where Mac yup Minnesota. 
> so how did I get it home? Well I have a friend here in Minn. that has 
> a daughter
> who lives about 1 1/2 hours from where this mill was. So he reached out to 
> her
> and soon I made arrangements for her to go pick it up. 
> She picked it up and kept it in their house for 2 months until her mother 
> in-law came to visit her and husband in Virginia, so then she had her 
> mother in-law hauled it back to the Twin Cities area where it sat for 
> another 3 weeks, this week the daughter came home to visit her parents and 
> delivered it just last night.   
> Sorry for such a long story but I thought you all needed to know How long 
> I've owned it already, but just seen it yesterday and the interesting ride 
> it had to make it to it's finally destination. Which now makes no. 8 but 
> whos counting. 
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Tim J Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
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electronic templates of LOM cutters

[Dan Krager]

Does anyone know if the LOM router cutter forms have been digitized?  Are 
the files available anywhere.  
DanK

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Re: electronic templates of LOM cutters

[Dan Krager]

I got this part downloaded, Bill.  Thank you.  It will do for now.  
DanK

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 8:15:39 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> Sorry here it is strait from the archives
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Saturday, 21 May 2022 9:59 AM
> *To:* LOM Group 
> *Subject:* Re: electronic templates of LOM cutters
>
>  
>
> Bill that link come up broke. 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 6:53 PM  wrote:
>
> Here is a link from the archives that mike posted in 2019
>
>
> https://03044311294854794145.googlegroups.com/attach/1b306cf3180b15/DesignProfiles.pdf?part=0.1&view=1&vt=ANaJVrFkC2c34tokdxyg7om6d-Pl1sTyWT2-2CwurfPYw2WBJ2R00-uo_7cn-rO3Ok7Zyawo01-2VSlg1E_ZLukq8RXYknbuFbLrt8jYksYyr6tYPMNMCSI
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Saturday, 21 May 2022 5:28 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* electronic templates of LOM cutters
>
>  
>
> Does anyone know if the LOM router cutter forms have been digitized?  Are 
> the files available anywhere.  
>
> DanK
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Re: electronic templates of LOM cutters

[Dan Krager]

Tim, I do a lot of CAD design work prior to building a project nowdays, so 
I thought That route might be worth pursuing before I bought templates.  It 
will be awhile before I make the decision I think.

DanK

On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 3:58:30 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Dan,
>
>
> That might be a Curt or Bill question, maybe Mac knows too, but not sure. 
> I would think so. are you referring to the template kit we talked about?
> I do have that set I mentioned. 
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 2:27 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know if the LOM router cutter forms have been digitized?  Are 
>> the files available anywhere.  
>> DanK
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Re: electronic templates of LOM cutters

[Dan Krager]

Bill, there is no problem.  I have learned to combine new and old 
"technology" for my recent work. I use the CAD because it is net result 
faster than drawing on paper and I make so many changes the paper wears out 
from erasing!  It's just not practical to create many views of the project 
on paper when the 3D can spin the virtual object to any view or section. 
Using the CAD drawing I create a "story stick" which contains all the 
details of the project making it not only possible but practical to build 
the project without using rulers and the accumulated errors of them. 
Each craftsman has his own preferred methods and I'm still checking out 
variations and combinations of very old techniques that really work 
efficiently. When I heard about using templates for milling designs, it was 
natural for me to extend that to digital. Most of my mill work will be part 
of a larger project, not an end in itself, so i wish to see how the 
proportions and ratios appear in context before cutting lumber.  That means 
the mill work design gets inserted into the larger picture.  

So you're not missing anything.  I'm trying to catch up and will be for 
some time.  Thank you for your help and patience!
DanK
On Friday, May 20, 2022 at 10:49:47 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> I don’t understand the problem the design kit is full scale 1 to 1 the 
> graph paper is full scale 1 to 1 if I draw a portion of the router bit 
> using the design kit on the graph paper and I need to know the depth I have 
> to cut I just simply grab a ruler and measure it  from my drawing I have 
> just made.
>
> I have used the design kit for years and have always been able to mill the 
> job successfully.
>
> What am I missing? Please explain
>
> Bill 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Jack Terry
> *Sent:* Saturday, 21 May 2022 12:11 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: electronic templates of LOM cutters
>
>  
>
> The design kit consists of 3 plastic templates and a collection of 40 in 
> x14 in graph paper on which you sketch your design before producing it on 
> the lom. One problem is that there are no dimensions on the templates only 
> replicas of the Magnate bits. I have been trying for years to get depth of 
> cut from both Legacy and Magnate. The Magnate catalog only gives diameter, 
> total bit cutting height and radius. It’s not enough information if you 
> only want to use a portion of the bit as in a barley twist. Maybe Tim 
> Krause can help with this
>
> Jack from Louisiana 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On May 20, 2022, at 7:15 PM, bulk...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>
> 
>
> Sorry here it is strait from the archives
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Saturday, 21 May 2022 9:59 AM
> *To:* LOM Group 
> *Subject:* Re: electronic templates of LOM cutters
>
>  
>
> Bill that link come up broke. 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 6:53 PM  wrote:
>
> Here is a link from the archives that mike posted in 2019
>
>
> https://03044311294854794145.googlegroups.com/attach/1b306cf3180b15/DesignProfiles.pdf?part=0.1&view=1&vt=ANaJVrFkC2c34tokdxyg7om6d-Pl1sTyWT2-2CwurfPYw2WBJ2R00-uo_7cn-rO3Ok7Zyawo01-2VSlg1E_ZLukq8RXYknbuFbLrt8jYksYyr6tYPMNMCSI
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Saturday, 21 May 2022 5:28 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* electronic templates of LOM cutters
>
>  
>
> Does anyone know if the LOM router cutter forms have been digitized?  Are 
> the files available anywhere.  
>
> DanK
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Trammel of Archimedes

[Dan Krager]

I haven't scoured the archives so this, too, may be an old discussion.  Has 
anyone made a trammel of Archimedes for ellipsoid shapes?  It has been a 
dream of mine to be able to do a range of ellipsoid shapes under a router 
and they are not hard to make.  One does not "need" a LOM to do such, but 
it would be a lot easier on one.  And the minimum size would be much much 
smaller.  

Having metal machining now available to me opens up new avenues and 
eventually I will pursue making one for the LOM.  In the meantime,

DanK

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Re: Trammel of Archimedes

[Dan Krager]

That geometric chuck is a fantastic widget!  I have always drooled over 
what  Holtzapffel ornamental lathes can do.  I set up a Supershop lathe to 
mimic some of the simple patterns, but simple is the key word. The 
geometric chuck video reminded me of the Spir-o-graph toy.  Years ago I 
gave up trying to think about linking that but now I can cut gears.  
H.

Your geometric chuck for the LOM is in another class!  WOW!  First question 
(suppressing many others) is how do you cut those gears?  I have a gear 
geometry program to create a printed pattern, but cutting it on the scroll 
saw seems to lack the accuracy that is desirable. They are just spur gears, 
so an indexing head on a mill ?   

This would be way overkill for the trammel, but I LOVE overkill.  

Ivandea.  If one used narrow timing belts, would that eliminate a lot of 
the gears?  

DanK


On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 5:45:12 PM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Tim this is what was asked for. I just offered my Geometric chuck. since 
> it dose the same things. (sorta?) ;-)
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trammel_of_Archimedes
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Saturday, May 21, 2022, 05:35:08 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Uf Dan you lost me on the first big word. lol
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 1:03 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
> I haven't scoured the archives so this, too, may be an old discussion.  
> Has anyone made a trammel of Archimedes for ellipsoid shapes?  It has been 
> a dream of mine to be able to do a range of ellipsoid shapes under a router 
> and they are not hard to make.  One does not "need" a LOM to do such, but 
> it would be a lot easier on one.  And the minimum size would be much much 
> smaller.  
>
> Having metal machining now available to me opens up new avenues and 
> eventually I will pursue making one for the LOM.  In the meantime,
>
> DanK
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Re: Sundays Plywood dream.

[Dan Krager]

That is a neat project, Curt.  Well done!
DanK

On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 6:43:18 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> You got that right Bill
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
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> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 12:32 AM  wrote:
>
>> The way wood prices are going we all will be searching out wood from 
>> where ever we can get it
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Monday, 23 May 2022 12:07 PM
>> *To:* LOM Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: Sundays Plywood dream.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Think we all better start scarfing the stuff up. Little tough on bits but 
>> cool results for sure.
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
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>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 7:52 PM Chris Smith  wrote:
>>
>> Great job. I see cutoff beams in the trash of project sites occasionally 
>> and always thought it would be fun to turn.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sun, May 22, 2022, 5:39 PM Ccm Ccm  wrote:
>>
>> Curt, nice work 
>>
>> On Sunday, May 22, 2022, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello  Everyone
>>
>>  
>>
>> Just had some free time in the shop. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> I have a part of an wooden CONSTRUCTION beam that I've been holding onto 
>> for a while. 
>>
>> So I decided to turn it . 
>>
>> Fun project. Plywood turns very nicely on the lathe and the Legacy.
>>
>> I turned the box on the lathe, and then put it on the Legacy for the 
>> indexing cuts.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Any question or comments, Please let me know.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Have a good day. there is more day left for me to play in the shop, talk 
>> to you all more latter.
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G. 
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Re: Eye Candy

[Dan Krager]

That's just plain inspirational!
DanK


On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 8:59:11 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Here is one more.(Photo#4)
> The purple hart edge with his scroll work/wave brings this to a hole new 
> level of NICE. ;-)
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 06:42:55 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Hey Curt,
>
> Yes very creative man. 
> I do agree with limited size it could be done on the LOM"s
> thanks for sharing.
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
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>
> On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 11:07 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  wrote:
>
> These photos were taken for an OT web site. the designer name is Sam 
> Cheesman.  
> I very much like his craftsmanship. And I do think something like this 
> could be done on the Legacy.
> What do you think???  ;-)
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> C.A.G. 
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Re: REVO addition

[Dan Krager]

Thanks to Bill's prompting, I studied briefly (chased the squirrel on the 
way to someplace else which I forgot) about turning the table 90° and lo 
and behold, it's a slip fit just like before when the centers line up.  
Four more holes in the plate just right and it bolts right up.  Now, the 
only thing is a pair of universal joints and a connecting rod.  I'll likely 
make my own because I can.  I'll use some 1" HR rod bored to 5/8" (with 
grub screw) for the end connectors and probably 1/2" rod for the connector. 
I have a length of PTO shaft I'm not using, but that would tilt the stand 
over!  Pictures after the rod is done.
DanK



On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 10:38:08 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Dan great and I am super glad it worked. 
> I will need some close ups of that process and will private message you 
> for that. 
> Good to hear and thanks for sharing. 
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
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> On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 9:11 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone.  
>>
>> Thanks to Chris Smith, I was the fortunate purchaser of a rotary table 
>> that after much consideration, I was convinced would work with the REVO.  
>> And it does.  All I had to do was position it and drill four holes in the 
>> plate.  
>>
>> It can accommodate material about 2 3/4" tall and natively about 14" in 
>> diameter.  By replacing the sacrificial plate with one as thin as 1/4" 
>> (needs spacing to clear bolts) I estimate a 28" table top about 3/4" thick 
>> could be machined.  
>>
>> [image: IMG_20220526_170226273.jpg]
>> DanK
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Re: REVO addition

[Dan Krager]

Hey, Mac.
Neither.  I'm in southern IN.  But I'm half German, 1/4 Brit, and 1/4 Irish 
so I still use old world terms often.  It's just what I learned...  HR is 
hot rolled=cheap steel. 
DanK

On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 7:47:52 PM UTC-4 Va Oak wrote:

> Hi Dan,
>
>  
>
> Question:  What is "HR rod"?  And is a "grub screw" the same as a "set 
> screw"? 
>
> I think "grub screw" is the British Empire way of saying "set screw".  
> LoL! 
>
> Are you from across the pond - or from Down Under?
>
>  
>
> We'd love to see pics of your articulating connecting shaft - both in the 
> "under construction" and "completed" status.
>
>  
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mac
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> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> Subject: Re: REVO addition
>
>  
> Thanks to Bill's prompting, I studied briefly (chased the squirrel on the 
> way to someplace else which I forgot) about turning the table 90° and lo 
> and behold, it's a slip fit just like before when the centers line up.  
> Four more holes in the plate just right and it bolts right up.  Now, the 
> only thing is a pair of universal joints and a connecting rod.  I'll likely 
> make my own because I can.  I'll use some 1" HR rod bored to 5/8" (with 
> grub screw) for the end connectors and probably 1/2" rod for the connector. 
> I have a length of PTO shaft I'm not using, but that would tilt the stand 
> over!  Pictures after the rod is done.
> DanK
>  
>  
>
> On Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 10:38:08 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey Dan great and I am super glad it worked.  
>> I will need some close ups of that process and will private message you 
>> for that. 
>> Good to hear and thanks for sharing. 
>> Kind Regards, 
>>  
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>  
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>> On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 9:11 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everyone.  
>>>  
>>> Thanks to Chris Smith, I was the fortunate purchaser of a rotary table 
>>> that after much consideration, I was convinced would work with the REVO.  
>>> And it does.  All I had to do was position it and drill four holes in the 
>>> plate.  
>>>  
>>> It can accommodate material about 2 3/4" tall and natively about 14" in 
>>> diameter.  By replacing the sacrificial plate with one as thin as 1/4" 
>>> (needs spacing to clear bolts) I estimate a 28" table top about 3/4" thick 
>>> could be machined.  
>>>  
>>> [image: IMG_20220526_170226273.jpg]
>>> DanK
>>>
>>>  
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Re: REVO universal shaft

[Dan Krager]

Yes, it could be helpful.  Where did you "just bought one"?  I'm making 
this because I can.  I checked the prices of U joints of this size and in 
retirement I'll be making more per hour than working  LOL!
DanK
On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 10:15:09 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dan, did you want a picture of the Legacy's actual drive shaft too? I just 
> bought one. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
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> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 5:02 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>> Finished making the press drift set that I wanted, and moved on to making 
>> the universal shaft for the REVO turntable.  It will connect the drive 
>> spindle to the turn table crank shaft enabling the turntable to spin under 
>> the moving router. Result is a spiral.  
>>
>> DanK
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Re: REVO universal shaft

[Dan Krager]

Thank you for the picture.  It is exactly what I am making except the end 
connectors will fit over the 5/8" shafts at each end. Good confirmation.  

FYI, "making money" in my retirement was simply theoretical.  Sometimes 
make instead of buy is more expensive, but fun and learning are happening.
DanK

On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 11:00:54 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> please disregard the red ink, here's the shaft. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
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> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
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> Foreston MN 56330
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> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 9:26 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>> Yes, it could be helpful.  Where did you "just bought one"?  I'm making 
>> this because I can.  I checked the prices of U joints of this size and in 
>> retirement I'll be making more per hour than working  LOL!
>> DanK
>> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 10:15:09 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Dan, did you want a picture of the Legacy's actual drive shaft too? I 
>>> just bought one. 
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 5:02 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Finished making the press drift set that I wanted, and moved on to 
>>>> making the universal shaft for the REVO turntable.  It will connect the 
>>>> drive spindle to the turn table crank shaft enabling the turntable to spin 
>>>> under the moving router. Result is a spiral.  
>>>>
>>>> DanK
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Re: New Front mounted template follower

[Dan Krager]

Ingenious use of existing resources!  
DanK

On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 5:28:43 PM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Hello everyone.
> It may not looks like much. but I finally got my template follower to 
> work. Its rock solid,
> fully adjustable, and holds 1/4" templates well.
>
> The trick to use the template follower on the Legacy that I have found, is 
> to have the template follower only control the Y axis, and the X axis is 
> moved by the acme screw/ motor to move the carriage. 
>
> Legacy design was to have the follower in the back of the machine, I found 
> in the past, it was much easer to control the template movement if the 
> follower was in front of the machine.  Since I re-designed my machine, a 
> few years ago. I needed to change and adapt the follower so it again could 
> be used on my Legacy.
>   
> So Yes a template follower in front can and will get in the way when not 
> needed So I made this, follower is easy to remove and quick to re-install 
> when needed. so now you see it, latter you wont. ;-)
>
> This may not be for everyone, but it just might help others in our group 
> to start thinking? 
> There are lots of possibility's out there for using a template with the 
> Legacy.
>
> More latter.
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Re: REVO universal shaft

[Dan Krager]

Thanks for the tips on the snipping too. Used it here.  

On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 5:31:51 PM UTC-4 Dan Krager wrote:

>
> Finished up this project today.  Pretty stiff, but it will wear in quickly 
> I hope.  I'm hoping it isn't too hard on the delrin bearing of the 
> turntable. May have to set up a "wearing in" jig and run it at high speeds 
> for a while.  
>
> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 1:38:02 PM UTC-4 Dan Krager wrote:
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>> We seem to be limited to one picture per post because of size.  Is that 
>> correct assumption?
>>
>> Progress on universal joints.  And new toys from Australia
>>
>> DanK
>>
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Re: REVO universal shaft

[Dan Krager]

What background?  My career path would trouble a drunken sailor. Wanted to 
be mechanical engineer.  GF from NJ.  Long story short, BS in math let me 
teach math to 7-8th graders in NY's largest jr high located in Rockland 
county.  2700 in just 7-8th grade.  After four years I realized what the 
future of teaching was, and it was not for me.  During those years I had a 
lot of time to do woodworking and it became known that I would build to 
order.  Another couple years bought the financially troubled shop, and 
turned it around while working in the furniture factory on the first floor 
at night where the non-english speaking Mexicans made dining room furniture 
(HIll Mfg).  I've never seen anyone upholster a seat as fast as those guys 
and gals could! They had quotas and I helped them improve their processes 
to the extent their quotas were being met with superior quality in about 
1/2 the time. I made arrangements w boss to close the shift when their 
quotas were met satisfactorily and that earned me a LOT of friends.  Never 
had to lock my vehicle in that parking lot!  When that dried up, 
woodworking still would not support family of three in the area, so got a 
CDL and drove semi up and down east coast for several years, still doing 
the woodworking in between trips.  Lots of stories, including deliveries 
downtown Manhattan with biggest semi NY would allow, 48' trailer at the 
time. That will teach one a few things.  Moved back to Princeton IL 
hometown realizing a good potential custom woodworking market. But still 
had to have auxiliary income, sooo: tool room pattern hand engraver for 
Jostens, ANSI standard draftsman work at a drafting company, drove for 
Deans Food packaged milk and ice cream deliveries to grocery stores 
throughout IL, bookkeeping computer programmer for  a machine shop before 
CNC, 25 years of network engineering designing and maintaining secure 
health system data, heavy equipment operator including fun things like long 
stick lifting crane operator, concrete pump operator, bulldozer work, 
telehandlers, etc. All the while doing custom woodworking projects 
commercially in my one person shop.  I'm tired just thinking about it.  
DanK


On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 9:25:55 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow you have my attention Dan. Very impressed. Excellent craftsmanship. 
> I'm understanding that you must have some true metal working experience. 
> You and Bill will have to start selling parts lol. 
> What back ground do you have Dan?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
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>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 4:31 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>>
>> Finished up this project today.  Pretty stiff, but it will wear in 
>> quickly I hope.  I'm hoping it isn't too hard on the delrin bearing of the 
>> turntable. May have to set up a "wearing in" jig and run it at high speeds 
>> for a while.  
>>
>> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 1:38:02 PM UTC-4 Dan Krager wrote:
>>
>>> We seem to be limited to one picture per post because of size.  Is that 
>>> correct assumption?
>>>
>>> Progress on universal joints.  And new toys from Australia
>>>
>>> DanK
>>>
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Re: Legacy split nut tap

[Dan Krager]

Good find, Tim.  

Wanted to bust out my new Australian language skills taught to me by my son 
who is exposed to how English is spoken throughout the world. Bill might be 
heard to say "Goo donyam ate", which is Aussie English for "good on ya 
mate".  LOL!  

Love Australian expressions and accents!  OK, ya forced me If you hear 
an Aussie saying "rise up late", he's just talking about razor blades.   

DanK 

On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 5:43:28 PM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Good for you Tim
>
> That looks to be a good tool .  The one that bought a few years back was 
> quite a bit more then what you found your for.  My hat is off to you. ;-)
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Saturday, June 11, 2022, 02:13:20 PM EDT, timjz...@gmail.com <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Well only 3 weeks from ordering a tap on E-bay they come in. 
> very high quality machining and very well packaging.  I am impressed.
> thanks to Bill's find. 
> Was around $32.20 with shipping, and that's as reasonable as you find. 
> 5/8 X 4 tpi right hand thread. 
>  These taps will allow you tap new Delrin Split nuts for your Legacy's. 
> Delrin is available several different outlets and one of the guys will 
> chime in
> with links to it. 
> Not telling anyone what to do but LOM does not make anymore split nuts I 
> think
> I bought the last one lol,  so I suggest you check on these to keep your 
> LOM running
> accurately. 
> check out the pix. 
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Tim J Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
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Re: Legacy split nut tap

[Dan Krager]

German sneaked in:  zu früh alt, zu spät klug   Truth for life.
DanK
On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 10:46:23 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Can I slide some German in there lol. or Minnne sotan as Mac would imply. 
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
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> On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 5:29 PM  wrote:
>
>> onya Dan you sound like a fair dinkum true blue skippy lol
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 12 June 2022 8:00 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: Legacy split nut tap
>>
>>  
>>
>> Good find, Tim.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Wanted to bust out my new Australian language skills taught to me by my 
>> son who is exposed to how English is spoken throughout the world. Bill 
>> might be heard to say "Goo donyam ate", which is Aussie English for "good 
>> on ya mate".  LOL!  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Love Australian expressions and accents!  OK, ya forced me If you 
>> hear an Aussie saying "rise up late", he's just talking about razor blades. 
>>   
>>
>>  
>>
>> DanK 
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Saturday, June 11, 2022 at 5:43:28 PM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>>
>> Good for you Tim
>>
>>  
>>
>> That looks to be a good tool .  The one that bought a few years back was 
>> quite a bit more then what you found your for.  My hat is off to you. ;-)
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Saturday, June 11, 2022, 02:13:20 PM EDT, timjz...@gmail.com <
>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Well only 3 weeks from ordering a tap on E-bay they come in. 
>>
>> very high quality machining and very well packaging.  I am impressed.
>>
>> thanks to Bill's find. 
>>
>> Was around $32.20 with shipping, and that's as reasonable as you find. 
>>
>> 5/8 X 4 tpi right hand thread. 
>>
>>  These taps will allow you tap new Delrin Split nuts for your Legacy's. 
>>
>> Delrin is available several different outlets and one of the guys will 
>> chime in
>>
>> with links to it. 
>>
>> Not telling anyone what to do but LOM does not make anymore split nuts I 
>> think
>>
>> I bought the last one lol,  so I suggest you check on these to keep your 
>> LOM running
>>
>> accurately. 
>>
>> check out the pix. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Tim J Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
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Re: OT bottle Stoppers/Sunday's Eye candy

[Dan Krager]

Those are impressive pieces of art work, Curt.  Thank you for the 
inspiration though I'm working on unrelated woodworking projects for a 
bit.  
DanK

On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 1:18:15 PM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Hello Everyone.
>
> These photo were taken form another web site. 
> I think the craftsmanship of these is very nice, I also know that many of 
> our group could make 
> art work very much like what you see on other OT sites.
>
> C.A.G.
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Question not resolved in literature

[Dan Krager]

I have a fair dinkum question that is no where addressed in LOM literature 
or videos.  Not even a picture.
When I set up my REVO machine I noticed that there was an X axis damper 
posing as an X axis "lock".  It is a 2 1/2" dia knob with a 3/8-16 bolt 
stuck in it that screws into one of two 3/8-16 press nuts on the X axis 
carriage. The bolt was screwed into the nut and bottomed out on the X axis 
track making ugly deformations in the aluminum track. I called it a damper 
because it really didn't lock the movement, just minimized it.  

So the question is "how does one lock the X axis firmly without deforming 
something?"  Is there a factory solution?  Do they assume that you just 
leave the half nut engaged ?  

The question is exacerbated by adding a rotary table and linking the X axis 
feed with the rotary table.  If one wants to make a straight linear cut on 
the rotary table, the Y axis can be easily and securely locked and all is 
well.  But I wanted to cut an arc on the rotary table, and there was no 
good (convenient) way to secure the X axis also without using the split 
nut, which was disengaged to spin the table. Now, yes, one can put the 
crank on the "lathe" headstock, disengage the gears, and engage the split 
nut to secure the X axis.  What I found out is that the gear reduction 
offered by the train is useful because the direct drive spins the table 
rapidly and is difficult to control under the router pressure.  

Am I jousting with windmills? (wish I knew Australian for that...)
DanK

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Re: Revo-W/Rotary Table & Drive

[Dan Krager]

Looks the same as my mount, Tim.  Nice drive shaft.  Where did you get 
that?  I looked and looked and couldn't afford what I saw, so I made.  One 
thing I haven't done yet is secure the table to the top rail like you did.  
So far I have just bolted to the table supports, again like you did.  
DanK

On Saturday, June 25, 2022 at 8:38:59 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> That would be great Bill, thanks
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 7:09 AM  wrote:
>
>> Yes sorry I am so use to mine I forgot for a bit they don’t come with one 
>> I will take a few pics tomorrow for you that’s about 12 hours away
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 25 June 2022 8:33 PM
>> *To:* LOM Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: Revo-W/Rotary Table & Drive
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hey Bill,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks, I have a fine adjustment on the Makita too, its the in and out or 
>> front to back I want 
>>
>> the acme screw on. Did you come up with one for yours? Pics?
>>
>> I also have the plate going past the rails so I could get to the center 
>> of the Rotary table. 
>>
>> But I don't think we need to raise the bed that high with the table in 
>> place anyway, at least from what I see.
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 4:30 AM  wrote:
>>
>> Looks about right to me Tim nice job , a triton 1400w mof001 router 
>>
>> Is what you need to fit the revo it has a fine adjustment depth screw 
>> built right into the router
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 25 June 2022 1:18 PM
>> *To:* LOM Group ; Tim Ziegler <
>> timjz...@gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* Revo-W/Rotary Table & Drive
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hey All,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Got my new to me Rotary table mounted to my Little Revo. 
>>
>> Did some tests with it, nothing to write home to anyone about. 
>>
>> But it works. I am pretty sure I will be adding an acme thread to the 
>>
>> carriage for the router. I do not like that I have to use spacers to 
>>
>> locate any of my critical moves. That will be another day though. 
>>
>> Though Saturday would sure be tempting. will see. 
>>
>> So I used the table mounting brackets and hardware and attached it also 
>> to the horizontal rail. Dan not sure how you mounted yours but, I am happy 
>> with the 
>>
>> turn out here. 
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
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Re: Anyone try one of these?

[Dan Krager]

Here's my $0.02 on the clamping matter upon the rotary table.  I have 
(made) a Longworth chuck and as Bill mentioned it is not a strong holder 
nor necessarily a repeatable accurate locator, though it may be close 
enough for woodwork. It might be improved with bushings in the slot that 
fit better than the 1/4" threaded bolts.  I put Tommy bar holes in mine 
that help a lot.  As Bill mentioned, different "jaws" that do the actual 
holding might work better than the rubber feet, e.g. toothed pads, screw 
points through the pads, or something aggressive like that. If the scrolls 
were in a (stronger) metal plate the angles could be much shallower and act 
like the scroll behind a 3 jaw chuck.  

Now if you are a fair dinkum engineer with a rotary table linked to the  X 
axis travel you can cut a suitable ACME scroll in plywood or plastic (nylon 
or delrin) plate and in the same setting mill the T slots for the clamp pad 
(jaws) in another circular plate. Milling the matching scroll on the jaws 
fitted to the T slot might be tricky.  Like building a squashed flat 3 jaw 
chuck. Clearance is severely limited for a regular 3 jaw metalworking chuck.

I saw a video yesterday of a carving table modified with self centering 
clamp jaws that act like the little jeweler's clamp shown, which I also 
have.  It was basically two blocks opposing each other in a T slot 
connected within the oversized slot (below table surface) with a double 
ended screw, LH on one end and RH on the other.  I have a bunch of them 
already threaded  (7": LH and 9" RH 3/8-16  x 18" OA or vice versa I don't 
remember) and might just try something like that. I made a dozen very large 
hand screws and messed up the threading locations, but the threads are 
fine.  Pay shipping and one or more could be yours. I think there are 12.  

My first plan for locating was cross hairs and concentric circles, all cut 
with a tiny vee bit. I've found as Tim mentioned that double stick tape is 
sketchy, both for locating and holding security, though I got by with it 
machining the plastic quilting template for wife (mentioned earlier). Then 
I lusted after T slots and hold downs like on my metal working equipment.  
I have a giant indexing head with tilting 3 jaw chuck, but it's out of the 
question to use on (or near) the REVO.  If push comes to shove, I'll just 
move the operation to the metal mill!  But now that I've remembered these 
threaded rods laying in the "resource bin", I just might tinker with a self 
centering pad jaw setup. Combined with T slot clamps might be all one 
needs. 
DanK
P.S.  Thanks for the additional Austrailian vocabulary.  I'm building a 
small dictionary.

On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 6:45:08 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> WoodPecker or Rockler has lots of clamping methods similar to that though 
> that might work. 
> Still would not solve the actual centering challenge. I just am looking 
> for a quicker method of 
> the actual centering too mainly. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 12:47 AM  wrote:
>
>> Yes I would like a set of those but I don’t think legacy sells them 
>> online anymore
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
>> *Sent:* Monday, 27 June 2022 1:40 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Anyone try one of these?
>>
>>  
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzeS7MN9qlA  Legacy video on there cnc. 
>> hold down table.
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 11:12:35 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <
>> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Well if it’s a blank ready to start I would set the job dead centre first 
>> with nothing but the bear block now if its moving too easy making it 
>> difficult to set up put a block of lead on top that will stop it moving too 
>> easy and stop the dial indicator moving it too if it’s a round piece your 
>> setting up.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Then after its true screw blocks of similar thickness wood against the 
>> work (4 pieces 2 screws in each) then mark a spot on the work and a block
>>
>> Remove the lead and your job put the tape under it and stick it back it 
>> should be still set perfectly.
>>
>>  
>>
>> That is the strongest way I know to hold it. Also 2 blocks and 2 legacy 
>> cam clamps for repeat work when doing more than one.
>>
>>  
>>
>> This may not be the best way but it’s what I would mostly do.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Monday, 27 June 2022 11:32 AM
>> *To:* LOM Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: Anyone try one of these?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill does this work well when your using double stick tape?
>>
>> I'm not saying its always a fail. Lots of times I put

Re: Anyone try one of these?

[Dan Krager]

Here's the threaded rod.  I reversed the length of the respective threaded 
sections, and it was backwards to what I needed for the hand screws.  This 
is 1/2 of the rods.LOTS of threading.  PITA.7 1/2" RH, 9" LH with 1 
1/2" space in the middle = about 18" long.  3/8-16 threads.  Warning, the 
LH threads were cut with a British die i.e. Whitworth , but in my case that 
didn't matter because I had the matching tap.  I do not know if SAE LH will 
play nicely with these. The RH threads are SAE. [image: temp.JPG]
DanK
On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 10:54:01 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow Dan thanks far more than 2 cents worth for sure.
> I would be interested in pursuing further and possibly what you'd 
> suggested with the rods.
> For sure take some pix. I am really into getting something down simple and 
> accurate and of 
> course repeatable.  HUGE FACTOR lol. 
> So you'd suggested the Long Fellow may flex and not be repeatable, then 
> how about 
> one in AirCraft Aluminum or something. 
> I typically have to farm out my machining as I don't have a lot of metal 
> working equipment. 
> Again thank you for your feed back. Good Stuff. 
> Aye!
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 9:28 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>> Here's my $0.02 on the clamping matter upon the rotary table.  I have 
>> (made) a Longworth chuck and as Bill mentioned it is not a strong holder 
>> nor necessarily a repeatable accurate locator, though it may be close 
>> enough for woodwork. It might be improved with bushings in the slot that 
>> fit better than the 1/4" threaded bolts.  I put Tommy bar holes in mine 
>> that help a lot.  As Bill mentioned, different "jaws" that do the actual 
>> holding might work better than the rubber feet, e.g. toothed pads, screw 
>> points through the pads, or something aggressive like that. If the scrolls 
>> were in a (stronger) metal plate the angles could be much shallower and act 
>> like the scroll behind a 3 jaw chuck.  
>>
>> Now if you are a fair dinkum engineer with a rotary table linked to the  
>> X axis travel you can cut a suitable ACME scroll in plywood or plastic 
>> (nylon or delrin) plate and in the same setting mill the T slots for the 
>> clamp pad (jaws) in another circular plate. Milling the matching scroll on 
>> the jaws fitted to the T slot might be tricky.  Like building a squashed 
>> flat 3 jaw chuck. Clearance is severely limited for a regular 3 jaw 
>> metalworking chuck.
>>
>> I saw a video yesterday of a carving table modified with self centering 
>> clamp jaws that act like the little jeweler's clamp shown, which I also 
>> have.  It was basically two blocks opposing each other in a T slot 
>> connected within the oversized slot (below table surface) with a double 
>> ended screw, LH on one end and RH on the other.  I have a bunch of them 
>> already threaded  (7": LH and 9" RH 3/8-16  x 18" OA or vice versa I don't 
>> remember) and might just try something like that. I made a dozen very large 
>> hand screws and messed up the threading locations, but the threads are 
>> fine.  Pay shipping and one or more could be yours. I think there are 12.  
>>
>> My first plan for locating was cross hairs and concentric circles, all 
>> cut with a tiny vee bit. I've found as Tim mentioned that double stick tape 
>> is sketchy, both for locating and holding security, though I got by with it 
>> machining the plastic quilting template for wife (mentioned earlier). Then 
>> I lusted after T slots and hold downs like on my metal working equipment.  
>> I have a giant indexing head with tilting 3 jaw chuck, but it's out of the 
>> question to use on (or near) the REVO.  If push comes to shove, I'll just 
>> move the operation to the metal mill!  But now that I've remembered these 
>> threaded rods laying in the "resource bin", I just might tinker with a self 
>> centering pad jaw setup. Combined with T slot clamps might be all one 
>> needs. 
>> DanK
>> P.S.  Thanks for the additional Austrailian vocabulary.  I'm building a 
>> small dictionary.
>>
>> On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 6:45:08 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> WoodPecker or Rockler has lots of clamping methods similar to that 
>>> though that might work. 
>>> Still would not solve the actual centering challen

Re: revo bed adjuster

[Dan Krager]

Now I know why I like this group so much.  Like me, y'all spend more time 
making widgets and gadgets for the machine than actually using it!  You 
should know that I'm jerking chains with that.  I really like the idea 
here, Bill.  Changing the height of the bed is kinda sketchy and getting it 
"precise" is almost impossible.  This changes everything. I'm going to use 
some of my distraction time to figure out how to do this without taking up 
deck space.  Good shew!  (Ed Sullivan)

DanK

On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 10:00:15 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> Finished making my revos bed adjuster here is a short video on it nothing 
> special just hand held 
>
> It is removeable when not in use https://youtu.be/ZAUrETHk6bA
>
> It was a bit difficult to film I hope it makes sense
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>

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Re: revo bed adjuster

[Dan Krager]

I sent this to Bill privately, partly by accident and he encouraged me to 
share it with the group.  I had written that I was sharing this in the 
spirit of this group -- sharing different things we do with LOMs.  I really 
liked the idea Bill had because adjusting the REVO bed is sketchy and 
requires several more hands than I have. I wanted to use common material 
because that is what I had in the shop, with the exception of the swivel 
bushing at the bottom.  I made a jack for each end.  Notice that it also 
allows for the back tilt because the top hole for threaded rod is 
oversize.  It may not show well, but the bottom hole is threaded and the 
angle iron there swivels freely.
DanK. 
On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 2:32:20 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> You know what they say Dan necessity is the mother of invention 😊
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Friday, 8 July 2022 11:58 PM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: revo bed adjuster
>
>  
>
> Now I know why I like this group so much.  Like me, y'all spend more time 
> making widgets and gadgets for the machine than actually using it!  You 
> should know that I'm jerking chains with that.  I really like the idea 
> here, Bill.  Changing the height of the bed is kinda sketchy and getting it 
> "precise" is almost impossible.  This changes everything. I'm going to use 
> some of my distraction time to figure out how to do this without taking up 
> deck space.  Good shew!  (Ed Sullivan)
>
>  
>
> DanK
>
>  
>
> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 10:00:15 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
> Finished making my revos bed adjuster here is a short video on it nothing 
> special just hand held 
>
> It is removeable when not in use https://youtu.be/ZAUrETHk6bA
>
> It was a bit difficult to film I hope it makes sense
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
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Re: New Bone turning

[Dan Krager]

Wow.  That is stunning.  Do you have sources that butcher?  Inquiring minds 
want to know where one gets bone material like that?  Not in my near 
future, but curious.

DanK

On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 2:40:37 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> Beautiful Curt beautiful nicest one yet love the finished white color 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Monday, 11 July 2022 1:37 PM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: New Bone turning
>
>  
>
> Hello everyone.
>
>  
>
> Got some time to  finish my 6 start bone looking glass today.
>
> Here are some photo's.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 10:49:01 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
> Nice patterns Tim, not quite a brick pattern but real close I still like 
> it it’s the TZ pattern lol
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 6 July 2022 10:14 AM
> *To:* LOM Group 
> *Subject:* Re: New Bone turning
>
>  
>
> Well this looks pretty close to the pen?
>
> Mine is not clean but it sure worked out like it should have. 
>
> We probably should have done a new subject?
>
> l
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2022 at 1:54 PM  wrote:
>
> Cant wait to see what you get curt 
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 July 2022 10:37 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: New Bone turning
>
>  
>
> Yes Tim, the idea is the use the X axis to make the cut, and then index, 
>
> I plan to try this pattern again, The only problems that I see with this 
> design is to get the look and spacing correct.
>
> We will see? ;-)  Perhaps tomorrow morning before work? if not the Sunday.
>
>  
>
> talk to you and all more latter.
>
>  
>
> Have a good day.
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 06:37:52 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> That is some fabulous work. Wow. 
>
> I'm assuming one just does flat cuts and just keeps rotating the pen or 
> piece 
>
> until complete then move over, rotate so much and resume the same process 
> over?
>
> Curt your indexing system would really be a huge benefit in this process 
> correct?
>
>  
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 10:11 PM  wrote:
>
> I would go for a 1/8 strait bit on something like a ½ to ¾ dia blank 
> that’s how I would try it looking at legacy videos I remember on bigger 
> they use like ¼ strait bit. Also I remember a spiral brick pattern too  here 
> is a pic of it done on pens
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 July 2022 12:37 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: New Bone turning
>
>  
>
> Funny you mention it.
>
>  
>
> NO not in bone, but I just tried one in wood today. IT did not work out as 
> I had hoped for.  I used the wrong router bit, I should have used an 1/8" 
> or a 1/4" straight bit, instead I used a 3/8" the size was not right for 
> the small part.
>
>  
>
> I think I will try it again, that cut might look good on a bone handle, if 
> I can get the spacing and cutter?
>
>  
>
> Thank you for the idea. 
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 09:30:20 PM EDT,  wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Love your bone turning curt cant wait to see what you make next have you 
> ever done a brick pattern in bone yet?
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 July 2022 10:30 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: New Bone turning
>
>  
>
> Hello Gavin and Brigitte
>
>  
>
> Made one more bone disk glue up today.  (If all goes well I should have 
> another turning next week?)
>
>  
>
> the question on the glue.  I've used a number of different glues form 2 
> part epoxy to the quick epoxy glue syringe
>
> type (sold at most hardware stores)   But the last 3 turnings that I've 
> done I have been using the Gorilla Glue clear, I find it easer to
>
> use, cleaner/less messy, due to the tip on the bottle, makes it easer to 
> apply the glue the bone disks one at a time.
>
>  
>
> Also the Gorilla Glue clear has a much longer cure time, (I don't know if 
> that is good or bad? but I have to wait for hours to days before
>
> I can cut the blank/bone glue up.)  In this case I am not in a hurry so it 
> doesn't matter. ;-)
>
>  
>
> I made

Re: revo bed adjuster

[Dan Krager]

Tim, haven't fully decided what I want to spin the threads with.  I do want 
it to be removable, so a socket makes sense. I also want to note the 
position, so some sort of indication of at least quarter  turns.  I can 
drive a socket with a speed wrench, a drill, or a ratchet and a mark on the 
socket can indicate turn count. Probably have to use it a while to decide.
DanK


On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 8:10:26 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> And that all makes good sense, to Bill.
> thanks, I do know on my REVO HYBRID EXT I will be adding
> an original set of the riser's from one of my other machines as well. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 6:19 PM  wrote:
>
>> My first idea was a scissor jack but I could not find one with a low 
>> enough profile and still be strong enough to lift the bed
>>
>> Witch needs to include the weight of your work in the mill and that would 
>> have to be heavy hardwood 6inches dia and 3 ft long
>>
>> The maximum capacity of the mill that’s why I went with the acme thread 
>> like legacy did with their mills. If the Delrin ever gives out
>>
>> I can replace it with brass
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Monday, 11 July 2022 8:46 AM
>> *To:* LOM Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: revo bed adjuster
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks Dan,
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Do you use a ratchet to adjust or wrench then, or what is your 
>> strategy for adjusting?
>>
>> Your idea looks like it works well too. 
>>
>> I am considering using a small scissor jack of sorts, but still all in 
>> preliminary stages. 
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 3:55 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>
>> I sent this to Bill privately, partly by accident and he encouraged me to 
>> share it with the group.  I had written that I was sharing this in the 
>> spirit of this group -- sharing different things we do with LOMs.  I really 
>> liked the idea Bill had because adjusting the REVO bed is sketchy and 
>> requires several more hands than I have. I wanted to use common material 
>> because that is what I had in the shop, with the exception of the swivel 
>> bushing at the bottom.  I made a jack for each end.  Notice that it also 
>> allows for the back tilt because the top hole for threaded rod is 
>> oversize.  It may not show well, but the bottom hole is threaded and the 
>> angle iron there swivels freely.
>>
>> DanK. 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 2:32:20 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>>
>> You know what they say Dan necessity is the mother of invention 😊
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>> *Sent:* Friday, 8 July 2022 11:58 PM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: revo bed adjuster
>>
>>  
>>
>> Now I know why I like this group so much.  Like me, y'all spend more time 
>> making widgets and gadgets for the machine than actually using it!  You 
>> should know that I'm jerking chains with that.  I really like the idea 
>> here, Bill.  Changing the height of the bed is kinda sketchy and getting it 
>> "precise" is almost impossible.  This changes everything. I'm going to use 
>> some of my distraction time to figure out how to do this without taking up 
>> deck space.  Good shew!  (Ed Sullivan)
>>
>>  
>>
>> DanK
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 10:00:15 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>>
>> Finished making my revos bed adjuster here is a short video on it nothing 
>> special just hand held 
>>
>> It is removeable when not in use https://youtu.be/ZAUrETHk6bA
>>
>> It was a bit difficult to film I hope it makes sense
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> 

Re: Front mounted template follower Part 2

[Dan Krager]

Pretty cool, Curt.  
DanK


On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 1:00:26 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> Nice work curt good to see your template follower in action again
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 12 July 2022 10:21 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Front mounted template follower Part 2
>
>  
>
> Hello Everyone.
>
>  
>
> I have the day off, So I was able to play in the shop today.
>
> I used my front mounted template follower today.  AND Over all I am happy 
> with
>
> what I was able to turn, today.
>
>  
>
> Note: the front mounted template follower can be made and adapted to ANY 
> Legacy (LOM) mill.
>
> my machine looks different form what Legacy sold, but it all works on the 
> same principles.
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: New Bone turning

[Dan Krager]

Interesting processes, guys.  And the results speak for themselves.  Really 
nice. I'm not ready to move into bone just yet, but I was piqued.
DanK


On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 6:32:50 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> thanks Bill,
>
> I thought it gave it some character at least. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 12:04 AM  wrote:
>
>> I do like how you stacked the bone to get a striped pattern Tim
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 12 July 2022 11:59 AM
>> *To:* LOM Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: New Bone turning
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hey Dan,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Not sure if you saw my bone turning a while ago, but after Curt taught me 
>> his process, I come up with a 
>>
>> little different process to keep the discs flat, takes a bit longer but 
>> they are gap free. 
>>
>> I have additional bones ready to cut but have not started making the 
>> discs yet.
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 7:09 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Tim.
>>
>> Dan working with bone is not all that hard. but it dose take a little 
>> persistence to take a bone, which is hollow, and the edges/walls of the 
>> bone are not uniformed in thickness, and making into something useable that 
>> can be turned on the Legacy.
>>
>> If you think of bone like wood, there is a lot of work that is needed in 
>> order to take a tree and make it into a board. things that need to be known 
>> like when the wood is Green and how it will handle when it is dried.
>>
>> Green bone can not be worked, due to its greasy/oily make up. It needs to 
>> be cleaned, dried, and died/ whitened before you can start cutting.  
>>
>> Tim's butcher shop is cheaper way to go, but time is money, and it may 
>> not be the best way to go when you want to make something. 
>>
>> I use "Red Barn" Natural's (un-filled) for my bone that I turn. (sold in 
>> pet food stores.)  These bones are dried and already whitened, All that I 
>> need to do is Cut, and glue. then turn.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Now that may be over simplifying the process. But in a nut shell that's 
>> it. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> If you want to know more, On all the process.  I can walk you through ALL 
>> the steps, from 1-100 or the quicker method.   there are no secrets here, 
>> Just hopes that everyone can learn for each-other.  I am offering to share 
>> the process that I know, and perhaps one day someone out there will find a 
>> better method?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Have a good night.
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 06:47:03 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hey Dan I get mine from our local Grocery market. They have a butcher 
>> there. 
>>
>> We have to do the drying and cleaning here, plus it gets a little 
>> expensive. but it's a lot of fun like Curt indicates. 
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 5:30 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>
>> Wow.  That is stunning.  Do you have sources that butcher?  Inquiring 
>> minds want to know where one gets bone material like that?  Not in my near 
>> future, but curious.
>>
>>  
>>
>> DanK
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 2:40:37 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>>
>> Beautiful Curt beautiful nicest one yet l

Re: bowl

[Dan Krager]

Wow, Bill.  If you're thinking of working something like this on your LOM, 
I'm pretty sure yours ins bigger than mine!  
Does one do this because one can?  Lots of resources involved
DanK

On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 10:27:26 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Holy cow!  that's one big bowl. How would you like to have to glue all 
> that up. 
> Thanks for sharing that though Bill. Very cool. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 8:42 AM  wrote:
>
>> Now I just have to work out how to do one like this on the legacy lol  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
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Re: Woodpeckers tools

[Dan Krager]

Yes, it would be neat to see someone pick up on mfr manual LOM some more.  
It's probably not a HUGE market, but there are new woodworkers born every 
minute, so there's that.  Are there patents that have to expire before 
someone could do that?   If they are patented, it seems like they've been 
around longer than 17 years.  If patents still restrictive, then it doesn't 
seem like the original mfr have interest and would off load the retroactive 
headaches they don't want and haven't supported.  The most difficult part 
of mfr these things is quality control.   
DanK


On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 9:14:31 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Hello Everyone.
>
> This is NOT a Legacy topic.  But it one day could be?
> Woodpeckers makes some  very good tools, with this slabbing router sled 
> and the Multi router in mind, I can see perhaps one day an Ornamental 
> milling machine just may be on there project list, I mean, they are not far 
> from it as things are now.
> Watch the videos, and see all the possibility's  that are out there.
> Pretty neat stuff.
>
> Have a good day.
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
> https://www.woodpeck.com/multi-router-group.html 
>
>
> https://www.woodpeck.com/woodpeckers-slab-flattening-mill-pro.html?trk_msg=SED506QOCT04H9BDTCRI5BHQA0&trk_contact=DLM3AJN1JHS5G9DT6V4RRBDTM0&trk_sid=Q3VEIO5LARRT00PN6A8UCB3NFG&trk_link=JKANTKJD04UKJ0II2DC91TTQQS&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Woodpeckers+Slab+Flattening+Mill-PRO&utm_campaign=Woodpeckers+EClub&utm_content=Slab+FLat-PRO%2c+CSP%2c+Sharpening+Sys%2c+DP-PRO
>  
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Re: Woodpeckers tools

[Dan Krager]

Yes, no doubt all the extrusions were made with custom dies.  But after the 
patents expire, there's nothing but economic barriers. And there's no 
special reason I can think of  those rails HAVE to be that particular 
profile anyway.. Besides, a patent is very specific and the same 
functionality can be arrived at with slightly different methodsjust 
enough different to discourage patent lawyers. 
DanK 

On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 2:06:48 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Dan,
>
> Yeah you can't buy that style of Aluminum Rails, no one can make them, so 
> pretty sure everything is protected. 
> thats why I have bought so many machines. Because the parts can't 
> technically be duplicated, so buy up used mills if
> you want parts and rails. I own 8 machines 6 functional plus many parts 
> I've bought. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 11:19 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>> Yes, it would be neat to see someone pick up on mfr manual LOM some 
>> more.  It's probably not a HUGE market, but there are new woodworkers born 
>> every minute, so there's that.  Are there patents that have to expire 
>> before someone could do that?   If they are patented, it seems like they've 
>> been around longer than 17 years.  If patents still restrictive, then it 
>> doesn't seem like the original mfr have interest and would off load the 
>> retroactive headaches they don't want and haven't supported.  The most 
>> difficult part of mfr these things is quality control.   
>> DanK
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 9:14:31 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Everyone.
>>>
>>> This is NOT a Legacy topic.  But it one day could be?
>>> Woodpeckers makes some  very good tools, with this slabbing router sled 
>>> and the Multi router in mind, I can see perhaps one day an Ornamental 
>>> milling machine just may be on there project list, I mean, they are not far 
>>> from it as things are now.
>>> Watch the videos, and see all the possibility's  that are out there.
>>> Pretty neat stuff.
>>>
>>> Have a good day.
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.woodpeck.com/multi-router-group.html 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.woodpeck.com/woodpeckers-slab-flattening-mill-pro.html?trk_msg=SED506QOCT04H9BDTCRI5BHQA0&trk_contact=DLM3AJN1JHS5G9DT6V4RRBDTM0&trk_sid=Q3VEIO5LARRT00PN6A8UCB3NFG&trk_link=JKANTKJD04UKJ0II2DC91TTQQS&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Woodpeckers+Slab+Flattening+Mill-PRO&utm_campaign=Woodpeckers+EClub&utm_content=Slab+FLat-PRO%2c+CSP%2c+Sharpening+Sys%2c+DP-PRO
>>>  
>>>
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Re: Shopsmith question

[Dan Krager]

I have a Shopsmith bandsaw with the original blocks. They get the job done, 
but the bearings on my big bandsaw do seem to work better on the wide 
blades. Bearings are not so good for very narrow blades like 3/16" and 
under. I've never tried this, but a rubber sleeve over each bearing (think 
bicycle inner tube) would lend support to the entire blade without damaging 
teeth. Even a heated plastic tube pushed over the bearing might do the 
job.  
DanK

On Monday, July 18, 2022 at 6:34:20 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good morning Brigitte,
>
> I don't have the shopsmith Band saw but do run roller guides on my PW1800.
> They in my eyes are far superior to guide blocks, You have to keep them 
> close 
> and set back from the actual teeth just like the cooling blocks. I believe 
> the blade 
> runs truer and cooler with the bearings. That's my 3 cents worth. 
>
> Sure hope that flight gets going, seems everything is delayed, I know what 
> it's like waiting lol. 
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 3:55 AM Brigitte Graham  
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Lads,
>> I am aiming this question at those who also own a SS!
>> Have you upgraded your bandsaw guides to these Carter roller bearing 
>> ones? ~  <<
>> https://carterproducts.com/catalogsearch/result/index/?brand=154&q=+shopsmith+guides
>> >>
>> Are they as good as they look/better than the SS coolblocks? Feedback 
>> please.
>>
>> I have ordered the sharpening Jig from Woodcraft. At the moment it is 
>> stuck in transport, there was a flight delay, hopefully it will be 
>> delivered later this week.
>> Legacy Widow
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Re: spiral cone

[Dan Krager]

That looks like an interesting challenge.  It must have been for the OP 
because I see an "oh$sh*t" on the trial piece.  
I don't yet see the idea of using the template follower, but I do see a 
shallow version on the tilted rotary table linked to the X axis feed.
DanK

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> Now I found this pic I think this would be possible on our legacys using 
> the template follower what do you  all think ?
>
> Not sure what you would want  one for but ..
>
>  
>
> Bill
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Re: spiral cone

[Dan Krager]

This resembles a lamp shade and if thin enough, an interesting light 
pattern might be seen.
DanK


On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:42:47 AM UTC-4 Dan Krager wrote:

> That looks like an interesting challenge.  It must have been for the OP 
> because I see an "oh$sh*t" on the trial piece.  
> I don't yet see the idea of using the template follower, but I do see a 
> shallow version on the tilted rotary table linked to the X axis feed.
> DanK
>
> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 12:18:58 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
>> Now I found this pic I think this would be possible on our legacys using 
>> the template follower what do you  all think ?
>>
>> Not sure what you would want  one for but ..
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
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Re: spiral cone

[Dan Krager]

Me thinks this was not intended.  No big deal since it was clearly a test 
piece.
DanK[image: temp.jpg]

On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 7:15:04 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> I like his pattern better on the first piece though. More of the Diamonds?
> Where is the spot you mentioned Dan?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
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> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
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> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 5:44 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>> This resembles a lamp shade and if thin enough, an interesting light 
>> pattern might be seen.
>> DanK
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 6:42:47 AM UTC-4 Dan Krager wrote:
>>
>>> That looks like an interesting challenge.  It must have been for the OP 
>>> because I see an "oh$sh*t" on the trial piece.  
>>> I don't yet see the idea of using the template follower, but I do see a 
>>> shallow version on the tilted rotary table linked to the X axis feed.
>>> DanK
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 12:18:58 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Now I found this pic I think this would be possible on our legacys 
>>>> using the template follower what do you  all think ?
>>>>
>>>> Not sure what you would want  one for but ..
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Bill
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First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

Hi guys.  I'm still riding a high of successfully cutting my first involute 
spur gear for one of my machines.  

So, riding that high, I decided to do some wood turnng. Utensils came to 
mind, so very soon a couple of spoon blanks were on the LOM for another 
first...the first twists cut on the REVO.  Used a straight 1/2" up cut 
spiral bit against the side. Six starts.  Not much to look at for design 
and the handle is much to large, but the pear wood cuts beautifully.  
Another smaller spoon is on its way.  

Now to carve the bowl.  This stuff is HARD.  
[image: SpoonTwist.JPG]
DanK

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Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

I got side tracked from spoon bowl cutting (with Austrian spoon knives) by 
going on to do the next twist on a smaller spoon (used up the stick).  I 
guess I didn't get the math right and buggered it up.  It was too small to 
use the regular drives on the spindle, so I used my little square drive 
that threads on.  It came loose on a reverse movement, further buggering up 
the twist.  So I will fix that by milling wrench flats on it so I can 
wrench tighten it.  Now that brings me to a BIG question.

WHY IN BLUE BLAZES DIDN'T THE PHANTOM ENGINEERS USE THE INDEXING FEATURE to 
do twists? Couldn't they figure this out?  Instead, it appears that you 
must go through this Rube Goldberg procedure,  do some math to get the 
right number of starts taking into consideration the size of the cutter and 
the diameter of the work.Then one must break the sync by moving the 
carriage. This risky uncontrolled procedure severely limits the diameters, 
cutters, and patterns in most cases. The only use for the index is to do 
lateral cuts without syncing to the drive spur. The solution appears to be 
so simple that even I will figure it out and do it.  

The basic principle of LOM is that the sync between rotation and lateral 
travel is maintained by the gear train. To move to the next start requires 
breaking that sync somehow.  And I want to move to the next start in a 
mechanically controlled manner using an index (dividing) plate to keep it 
simple. It would also seem reasonable to have different plates available or 
a plate with all the  commonly used factors like 2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,12. 
Putting fine divisions on approximates checkering and that many sync breaks 
leads to trouble.  Unless mechanically controlled. Using a direct index 
plate eliminates the math and other limitations.  

So I'm looking for the simplest, cheapest and most reliable solution.  Me 
thinks such a solution will focus on the connection between the "standard 
index gear" and the drive spur shaft.  Right now the SIG is screwed onto 
the outboard end of the drive spur shaft and locked to it by a square on 
the shaft penetrating the SIG. If the SIG were moved outboard onto a free 
wheeling arrangement essentially extending the shaft a bit, then a flat 
finger placed onto the drive square, and that assembly secured to the 
outboard end, one could break and re-establish the sync at will 
mechanically. The SIG would have moved leftward 1/8" displaced by the 1/8" 
thick finger that is locked onto the drive spur shaft where the gear used 
to be. The SiG would be fitted with a bushing to allow it to freewheel to 
the immediate left of the drive square.  Now the finger is pointed and the 
point bent 90° to engage the holes in the SIG with its 24 holes (until a 
better deal is reached).  

So the setup starts out the same, but one notes which hole the finger is 
in.  Make the cut.  Spring the finger out of the hole and rotate the spur 
(and work) to the next index location. The SIG remains stationary while the 
spur shaft turns controlled by the finger moving to the next index, thus 
breaking the sync for a moment and re-establishing sync at the next index. 
Next cut.  Rinse and repeat.

No further changes need be made because there is enough "slop" in the gear 
alignment to allow a 1/8" shift of the SiG without any trouble. This 
totally eliminates any math and allows a predictable number of starts on 
any diameter. One might adjust depth of cut, size of cutter, or make other 
adjustments at will without affecting the basic index positioning. This 
also works for the rotary table. Changing out the SIG to different ratios 
will have to be considered, too. Perhaps instead of a finger, another 24 
hole plate that is small enough to fit within the smallest gear is used. 
Still ...

How simple is that?

DanK 
P.S. YOU BET IMMA DO IT.
On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 5:03:22 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> On the contrary its very much to look at very nice work Dan cant wait to 
> see the bowl
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 July 2022 2:49 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* First LOM twist
>
>  
>
> Hi guys.  I'm still riding a high of successfully cutting my first 
> involute spur gear for one of my machines.  
>
>  
>
> So, riding that high, I decided to do some wood turnng. Utensils came to 
> mind, so very soon a couple of spoon blanks were on the LOM for another 
> first...the first twists cut on the REVO.  Used a straight 1/2" up cut 
> spiral bit against the side. Six starts.  Not much to look at for design 
> and the handle is much to large, but the pear wood cuts beautifully.  
> Another smaller spoon is on its way.  
>
>  
>
> Now to carve the bowl.  This stuff is HARD.  
>
> DanK
>
> -- 
> 

Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

Thanks for all the encouraging tips, ideas, and warnings!  I had some 
beginner's luck on the first twist. I'm convinced that my simple idea will 
work, so I'll document the result here.  Might not be today.  Got some 
loose end projects to wrap up, i.e. carve the bowl.  
DanK

On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 10:27:07 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> Curts jig he made does that I haven’t got one to see if it will work on 
> the revo 
>
> I index by undoing the leadscew nut and moving the saddle along in 
> multiples of ¼ inch which is the threads per inch of the leadscrew
>
> I use set up blocks for this so I don’t have to count threads then 
> re-engage the nut again.
>
>  
>
> Be warned too don’t trust the index drive centre of the revo the nut that 
> holds it can come slightly loose and it can be sloppy on the square 
>
> And you wont notice till your spirals or reeds and flutes are not all the 
> same I welded a leadscrew locking collar to the back of the drive centre 
>
> So I can clamp it to the headstock shaft as well as use the nut now it 
> never ever moves. You will rack your brain trying to work out what is wrong 
> with your spirals and indexes when this happens it drove me insane till I 
> worked it out, it was more noticeable on larger dia work I worked it out 
> when I was doing my big bolts and nuts on the revo , same as on the legacy 
> you need to clamp the index gear from moving when doing heavy indexed cuts 
> . the legacys all legacys have slop problems in some way once you know them 
> you can overcome the problems,
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 July 2022 11:17 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>
>  
>
> I got side tracked from spoon bowl cutting (with Austrian spoon knives) by 
> going on to do the next twist on a smaller spoon (used up the stick).  I 
> guess I didn't get the math right and buggered it up.  It was too small to 
> use the regular drives on the spindle, so I used my little square drive 
> that threads on.  It came loose on a reverse movement, further buggering up 
> the twist.  So I will fix that by milling wrench flats on it so I can 
> wrench tighten it.  Now that brings me to a BIG question.
>
>  
>
> WHY IN BLUE BLAZES DIDN'T THE PHANTOM ENGINEERS USE THE INDEXING FEATURE 
> to do twists? Couldn't they figure this out?  Instead, it appears that you 
> must go through this Rube Goldberg procedure,  do some math to get the 
> right number of starts taking into consideration the size of the cutter and 
> the diameter of the work.Then one must break the sync by moving the 
> carriage. This risky uncontrolled procedure severely limits the diameters, 
> cutters, and patterns in most cases. The only use for the index is to do 
> lateral cuts without syncing to the drive spur. The solution appears to be 
> so simple that even I will figure it out and do it.  
>
>  
>
> The basic principle of LOM is that the sync between rotation and lateral 
> travel is maintained by the gear train. To move to the next start requires 
> breaking that sync somehow.  And I want to move to the next start in a 
> mechanically controlled manner using an index (dividing) plate to keep it 
> simple. It would also seem reasonable to have different plates available or 
> a plate with all the  commonly used factors like 2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,12. 
> Putting fine divisions on approximates checkering and that many sync breaks 
> leads to trouble.  Unless mechanically controlled. Using a direct index 
> plate eliminates the math and other limitations.  
>
>  
>
> So I'm looking for the simplest, cheapest and most reliable solution.  Me 
> thinks such a solution will focus on the connection between the "standard 
> index gear" and the drive spur shaft.  Right now the SIG is screwed onto 
> the outboard end of the drive spur shaft and locked to it by a square on 
> the shaft penetrating the SIG. If the SIG were moved outboard onto a free 
> wheeling arrangement essentially extending the shaft a bit, then a flat 
> finger placed onto the drive square, and that assembly secured to the 
> outboard end, one could break and re-establish the sync at will 
> mechanically. The SIG would have moved leftward 1/8" displaced by the 1/8" 
> thick finger that is locked onto the drive spur shaft where the gear used 
> to be. The SiG would be fitted with a bushing to allow it to freewheel to 
> the immediate left of the drive square.  Now the finger is pointed and the 
> point bent 90° to engage the holes in the SIG with its 24 holes (until a 
> better deal is reached).  
>
>  
>
> 

Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

Here is a link to the very short video 
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/15pIQani7juLUeyE8zVCWRzfkDm47Uou3/view?usp=sharing>
 
showing the freedom of movement when not indexed.
DanK
On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 9:51:06 PM UTC-4 Dan Krager wrote:

> Thanks for the helpful links and suggestions.  I'm trying to eliminate the 
> need for spacer blocks or unlatching the screw, calculating starts using 
> circumference and cutter width etc.. IMHO those are all irrelevant to a 
> "proper" setup that doesn't need them. 
>
> As explained before, there has to be a break in the sync between rotation 
> and the travel to move to the next cut.  I contend that should be a 
> mechanically controlled move at a direct index plate.  And here is how I am 
> doing it.
>
> I removed the standard gear, plugged the hole and drilled it 5/16 smooth 
> and centered, and replaced it with an arm that extends over the ring of 
> index holes. I don't have the pin arrangement yet.
> [image: temp1.JPG]
> Then I found a bolt just the right length that bottoms out in the hole 
> before the head gets tight on the assembly.  Some washers helped out with 
> that. 
> [image: temp2.JPG]
> Then applied the standard index gear so that it freewheels on the bolt 
> while engaging the rest of the train. 
> [image: temp3.JPG]
> The clearance is very tight so a clever pin arrangement will somehow be 
> forthcoming.
> [image: temp4.JPG]
> Now, you might determine that the "lathe" spindle (the axis of the 
> turning) is independent of the gear until a pin through the new arm locks 
> it to the index ring. I have a video but don't know how to show it here.  
> You're not missing much
>
> So as described before, any division supported by a 24 hole index can be 
> applied to determine the number of starts regardless of spindle diameter or 
> cutter size. After the first cut, the arm is moved to the next start index 
> and the cut resumed. No need to disengage the threads. The same cuts as 
> before and many more can easily be made with no restrictions or math. No 
> mods were made to the original equipment (the SIG plug can be pressed out) 
> and the only new piece is the arm, not counting the washers or 1 1/4" 
> standard socket head cap screw. A proper machinist would have made a 
> bushing for the SiG to spin upon, but hey, with low speed and light use 
> this will last a lifetime. 
>
> DanK
> On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 12:01:17 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>
>> Hello Dan
>>
>> If you having problems there are a number of different ways to rope on 
>> the Legacy.
>> Like Bill said you can use spacer blocks to make your spacing between 
>> ropes. that method worked very
>> well for me for a number of years.
>>
>> Mike Pung made two video's on gear indexing and carriage travel indexing, 
>> Both works very well.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcFpO51upw&t=7s Roping/Carriage travel.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHgzEKnON-o&t=4s Crank handle indexing.
>>
>> Wish you luck.
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 05:37:07 AM EDT, Dan Krager <
>> cdkr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Thanks for all the encouraging tips, ideas, and warnings!  I had some 
>> beginner's luck on the first twist. I'm convinced that my simple idea will 
>> work, so I'll document the result here.  Might not be today.  Got some 
>> loose end projects to wrap up, i.e. carve the bowl.  
>> DanK
>>
>> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 10:27:07 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>>
>> Curts jig he made does that I haven’t got one to see if it will work on 
>> the revo 
>>
>> I index by undoing the leadscew nut and moving the saddle along in 
>> multiples of ¼ inch which is the threads per inch of the leadscrew
>>
>> I use set up blocks for this so I don’t have to count threads then 
>> re-engage the nut again.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Be warned too don’t trust the index drive centre of the revo the nut that 
>> holds it can come slightly loose and it can be sloppy on the square 
>>
>> And you wont notice till your spirals or reeds and flutes are not all the 
>> same I welded a leadscrew locking collar to the back of the drive centre 
>>
>> So I can clamp it to the headstock shaft as well as use the nut now it 
>> never ever moves. You will rack your brain trying to work out what is wrong 
>> with your spirals and indexes when this happens it drove me insane till I 
>> worked it out, it was more noticeable on larger 

Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

The final piece has been made and installed.  I am thrilled that FINALLY, 
one of my ideas has worked out!  And it does work reliably.  The weak part 
of the design is the time consumed to change the pin because it threads 
into the bar on the other side of the SIG, though it is not bad. I used a 
slotted machine screw because that is what I had with a taper, but I am 
planning to replace that with a flat head socket screw for easier wrench 
work and easier to insert into next hole.  

[image: temp5.JPG]
DanK
On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 12:02:51 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Hello Dan
>
> Very nice work On your spoon!
>
> I am very happy for you.  
>
> Keep up the good work, 
> I too, am looking
> forward to seeing your bowl.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 05:03:23 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <
> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: 
>
>
> On the contrary its very much to look at very nice work Dan cant wait to 
> see the bowl
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 July 2022 2:49 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* First LOM twist
>
>  
>
> Hi guys.  I'm still riding a high of successfully cutting my first 
> involute spur gear for one of my machines.  
>
>  
>
> So, riding that high, I decided to do some wood turnng. Utensils came to 
> mind, so very soon a couple of spoon blanks were on the LOM for another 
> first...the first twists cut on the REVO.  Used a straight 1/2" up cut 
> spiral bit against the side. Six starts.  Not much to look at for design 
> and the handle is much to large, but the pear wood cuts beautifully.  
> Another smaller spoon is on its way.  
>
>  
>
> Now to carve the bowl.  This stuff is HARD.  
>
> DanK
>
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Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

I did post a link to a very short video 
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/15pIQani7juLUeyE8zVCWRzfkDm47Uou3/view?usp=sharing>
 
about the index arm movement.  I'm not set up for video making.  The 
pictures tell the whole story pretty well, but I'll see about getting 
enough to show a couple starts.  I'm salvaging the buggered up small spoon 
so that might be a good candidate tomorrow.
DanK

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 1:16:10 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Dan,
>
> Thats super cool when a plan comes together. Can you do a short video and 
> post it as well so we
> can all get a little better hand on how it all works and come together?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 10:36 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>> The final piece has been made and installed.  I am thrilled that FINALLY, 
>> one of my ideas has worked out!  And it does work reliably.  The weak part 
>> of the design is the time consumed to change the pin because it threads 
>> into the bar on the other side of the SIG, though it is not bad. I used a 
>> slotted machine screw because that is what I had with a taper, but I am 
>> planning to replace that with a flat head socket screw for easier wrench 
>> work and easier to insert into next hole.  
>>
>> [image: temp5.JPG]
>> DanK
>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 12:02:51 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Dan
>>>
>>> Very nice work On your spoon!
>>>
>>> I am very happy for you.  
>>>
>>> Keep up the good work, 
>>> I too, am looking
>>> forward to seeing your bowl.
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 05:03:23 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <
>>> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> On the contrary its very much to look at very nice work Dan cant wait to 
>>> see the bowl
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 July 2022 2:49 AM
>>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>> *Subject:* First LOM twist
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Hi guys.  I'm still riding a high of successfully cutting my first 
>>> involute spur gear for one of my machines.  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> So, riding that high, I decided to do some wood turnng. Utensils came to 
>>> mind, so very soon a couple of spoon blanks were on the LOM for another 
>>> first...the first twists cut on the REVO.  Used a straight 1/2" up cut 
>>> spiral bit against the side. Six starts.  Not much to look at for design 
>>> and the handle is much to large, but the pear wood cuts beautifully.  
>>> Another smaller spoon is on its way.  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Now to carve the bowl.  This stuff is HARD.  
>>>
>>> DanK
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Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

Bill, I put the screw in from the outside to be able to use a screw driver 
better.  I hate slotted screws, so it will be replaced by a flat head hex 
machine screw.  I couldn't think of how to hold this tiny thing, so I 
threaded the hole in the axis arm and pass the screw through the SIG to 
thread into the arm. This keeps the clearance acceptable and the connection 
tight.  I've just considered the case of moving the carriage on a straight, 
non-spiral cut and how to hold the index with the axis.  With the gears 
disengaged, the original indexing pin can be used as normal as long as the 
arm remains pinned to the SiG.  It's in the middle of some test runs and 
the first three passes of 8 worked just fine. It really doesn't take much 
time to move the pin (screw) to the next index, but it is not as fast as a 
tapered pin like the original. It will get better with the socket head 
screw.  I'm open to ideas.

I have completed the spoon bowl and put the first coat of oil on it today.  
It's a looker alright. A couple more coats and a polish (wax) will be the 
makeup for a photo in a couple days.
The test run is trying to salvage the little spoon spiral that I buggered 
up using the "old" methods. 

DanK

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 8:27:23 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> Dan I thought you might have put your indexing screw in from the back 
> instead of from the front, having a point on the end of the screw might 
> help speed up your indexing time . I can see how your idea works without a 
> video, it is a different way of indexing the starts on a spiral the idea is 
> very similar to curts design I can see how it will make indexing easier 
>  and more simple for you as curts one did for him.
>
> I have done the gauge block method for so long and so many times now I 
> find it more easy for me, but in the end what ever method each user uses as 
> long as they are comfortable with it is the important thing  as curt says 
> there a many ways to skin a cat and when the end result is a perfect spiral 
> each way is all good
>
> Keep those good inventive ideas coming Dan I love legacy mill mods.
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Friday, 29 July 2022 8:50 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>
>  
>
> I did post a link to a very short video 
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/15pIQani7juLUeyE8zVCWRzfkDm47Uou3/view?usp=sharing>
>  
> about the index arm movement.  I'm not set up for video making.  The 
> pictures tell the whole story pretty well, but I'll see about getting 
> enough to show a couple starts.  I'm salvaging the buggered up small spoon 
> so that might be a good candidate tomorrow.
>
> DanK
>
>  
>
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 1:16:10 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hey Dan,
>
>  
>
> Thats super cool when a plan comes together. Can you do a short video and 
> post it as well so we
>
> can all get a little better hand on how it all works and come together?
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 10:36 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
> The final piece has been made and installed.  I am thrilled that FINALLY, 
> one of my ideas has worked out!  And it does work reliably.  The weak part 
> of the design is the time consumed to change the pin because it threads 
> into the bar on the other side of the SIG, though it is not bad. I used a 
> slotted machine screw because that is what I had with a taper, but I am 
> planning to replace that with a flat head socket screw for easier wrench 
> work and easier to insert into next hole.  
>
>  
>
> DanK
>
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 12:02:51 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>
> Hello Dan
>
>  
>
> Very nice work On your spoon!
>
>  
>
> I am very happy for you.  
>
>  
>
> Keep up the good work, 
>
> I too, am looking
>
> forward to seeing your bowl.
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
> On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 05:03:23 PM EDT, bulk...@mmnet.com.au <
> bulk...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On the contrary its very much to look at very nice work Dan cant wait to 
> see the bowl
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 26 July 2022 2:49 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills

Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

Those look like a good solution and I would jump on it in a heartbeat if 
only that head and ring assembly would clear. One other issue is that the 
arm is not secured tightly to the axis so there is slight lateral movement 
that is eliminated when my screw tightens.  Yes, the fit on the flats is 
almost interference fit, but that doesn't eliminate lateral movement that 
can disengage a loose pin. This screw pin is only 10-24 x 7/16" long OA and 
it barely clears.  Those spring loaded things are monstrous by comparison. 
If I were willing to modify original equipment permanently, things could be 
different.  I could make another spindle...

Re: margins.  I'm using the default margins on desktop, so I have assumed 
automatic margin controls on other devices.  If not, how does one limit the 
margins on desktop?  For this post I shrank the window to 1/3 width, but I 
doubt it will make a difference.

DanK

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:55:55 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Dan,
>
> Here is what Curt showed me to use. They work excellent but you need space 
> to make it work.
> Way faster than screws or cap screws. 
> When you respond or email can you keep it narrower? It's tough to read 
> when you have to scroll left to right or vise versa. 
> Anyway check out these and let me know what you think. 
>
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Spring-Plunger-Stainless-Non-Locking-Hand-Retractable/dp/B09G37QQ27/ref=asc_df_B09G37QQ27/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=569762016156&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16569521696965764528&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9020090&hvtargid=pla-1652281026128&th=1
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 8:37 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>> Bill, I put the screw in from the outside to be able to use a screw 
>> driver better.  I hate slotted screws, so it will be replaced by a flat 
>> head hex machine screw.  I couldn't think of how to hold this tiny thing, 
>> so I threaded the hole in the axis arm and pass the screw through the SIG 
>> to thread into the arm. This keeps the clearance acceptable and the 
>> connection tight.  I've just considered the case of moving the carriage on 
>> a straight, non-spiral cut and how to hold the index with the axis.  With 
>> the gears disengaged, the original indexing pin can be used as normal as 
>> long as the arm remains pinned to the SiG.  It's in the middle of some test 
>> runs and the first three passes of 8 worked just fine. It really doesn't 
>> take much time to move the pin (screw) to the next index, but it is not as 
>> fast as a tapered pin like the original. It will get better with the socket 
>> head screw.  I'm open to ideas.
>>
>> I have completed the spoon bowl and put the first coat of oil on it 
>> today.  It's a looker alright. A couple more coats and a polish (wax) will 
>> be the makeup for a photo in a couple days.
>> The test run is trying to salvage the little spoon spiral that I buggered 
>> up using the "old" methods. 
>>
>> DanK
>>
>> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 8:27:23 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>>
>>> Dan I thought you might have put your indexing screw in from the back 
>>> instead of from the front, having a point on the end of the screw might 
>>> help speed up your indexing time . I can see how your idea works without a 
>>> video, it is a different way of indexing the starts on a spiral the idea is 
>>> very similar to curts design I can see how it will make indexing easier 
>>>  and more simple for you as curts one did for him.
>>>
>>> I have done the gauge block method for so long and so many times now I 
>>> find it more easy for me, but in the end what ever method each user uses as 
>>> long as they are comfortable with it is the important thing  as curt says 
>>> there a many ways to skin a cat and when the end result is a perfect spiral 
>>> each way is all good
>>>
>>> Keep those good inventive ideas coming Dan I love legacy mill mods.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>>> *On Behalf Of *Dan Krager
>>> *Sent:* Friday, 29 July 2022 8:50 AM
>>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>> *Subject:* Re: F

Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

Well, that threaded spring post got me thinking.  If I enlarge the hole in 
the SIG plug to max without getting into the gear plate (1/2" would be max) 
and make a 1/2" bushing with integral index arm on the outside of the SIG, 
then by flipping all the gears in the train, the SIG would end up on the 
outside of its driver.  This would eliminate the clearance issue and a 
spring post could be used on the index arm. I don't know yet if flipping 
the gears is possible yet, but imma find out. 

When I adjust screen size the margins automatically adjust and wrap the 
text shorter.  But this is a desktop so it probably behaves differently.
DanK

On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:50:56 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> I usually make the email full screen that’s seems to fix the screen having 
> to be moved
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Friday, 29 July 2022 11:21 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>
>  
>
> Hey Dan,
>
>  
>
> Not sure what is going on for the sizing. I typically do not type the full 
> width of the screen for that very reason. 
>
> It gets to be a long way across the screen. I just type so far across and 
> hit enter and start a new line. 
>
> this does happen sometimes when we have an email that gets responded to 
> many times but these 
>
> are starting out that way. 
>
> Anyway keep us in the loop with your process and excited to see more. 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 6:46 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
> Those look like a good solution and I would jump on it in a heartbeat if 
> only that head and ring assembly would clear. One other issue is that the 
> arm is not secured tightly to the axis so there is slight lateral movement 
> that is eliminated when my screw tightens.  Yes, the fit on the flats is 
> almost interference fit, but that doesn't eliminate lateral movement that 
> can disengage a loose pin. This screw pin is only 10-24 x 7/16" long OA and 
> it barely clears.  Those spring loaded things are monstrous by comparison. 
> If I were willing to modify original equipment permanently, things could be 
> different.  I could make another spindle...
>
>  
>
> Re: margins.  I'm using the default margins on desktop, so I have assumed 
> automatic margin controls on other devices.  If not, how does one limit the 
> margins on desktop?  For this post I shrank the window to 1/3 width, but I 
> doubt it will make a difference.
>
>  
>
> DanK
>
>  
>
> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:55:55 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hey Dan,
>
>  
>
> Here is what Curt showed me to use. They work excellent but you need space 
> to make it work.
>
> Way faster than screws or cap screws. 
>
> When you respond or email can you keep it narrower? It's tough to read 
> when you have to scroll left to right or vise versa. 
>
> Anyway check out these and let me know what you think. 
>
>  
>
>  
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Spring-Plunger-Stainless-Non-Locking-Hand-Retractable/dp/B09G37QQ27/ref=asc_df_B09G37QQ27/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=569762016156&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16569521696965764528&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9020090&hvtargid=pla-1652281026128&th=1
>
>
>  
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 8:37 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
> Bill, I put the screw in from the outside to be able to use a screw driver 
> better.  I hate slotted screws, so it will be replaced by a flat head hex 
> machine screw.  I couldn't think of how to hold this tiny thing, so I 
> threaded the hole in the axis arm and pass the screw through the SIG to 
> thread into the arm. This keeps the clearance acceptable and the connection 
> tight.  I've just considered the case of moving the carriage on a straight, 
> non-spiral cut and how to hold the index with the axis.  With the gears 
> disengaged, the original indexing pin can be used as normal as long as the 
> arm remains pinned to the SiG.  It's in the middle of som

Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

The gears flipped easily with a tiny (about 1/16") adjustment in the feed 
screw shaft.  
Now the SIG runs on the outside opening up spring pin possibilities on the 
now outboard index arm.  
I have made a shouldered bushing to space the SIG about 1/2" outward, the 
shoulder for the gear
to run on freely and to be able to tighten the axis bolt enough to hold the 
index arm in secure sync..
I lose the otherwise secure index arm lock on the flats of the axis and 
have to make a new index arm.
It looks like the stock index pin will barely reach the SIG in its new 
position for use with non-spiral
indexed cuts, untested yet. There may be some adjustments available if 
needed. 

When It's all put back together, I'll get some more pictures. It looks 
possible now and I'm excited (again).
This is as much fun as making the wood stuff!  
DanK
On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:30:10 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Will be interesting to see what happens. Anything to make improvements 
> right. 
> Easier is better as long as its accurate. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 9:08 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>> Well, that threaded spring post got me thinking.  If I enlarge the hole 
>> in the SIG plug to max without getting into the gear plate (1/2" would be 
>> max) and make a 1/2" bushing with integral index arm on the outside of the 
>> SIG, then by flipping all the gears in the train, the SIG would end up on 
>> the outside of its driver.  This would eliminate the clearance issue and a 
>> spring post could be used on the index arm. I don't know yet if flipping 
>> the gears is possible yet, but imma find out. 
>>
>> When I adjust screen size the margins automatically adjust and wrap the 
>> text shorter.  But this is a desktop so it probably behaves differently.
>> DanK
>>
>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:50:56 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>>
>>> I usually make the email full screen that’s seems to fix the screen 
>>> having to be moved
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>> *Sent:* Friday, 29 July 2022 11:21 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Hey Dan,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Not sure what is going on for the sizing. I typically do not type the 
>>> full width of the screen for that very reason. 
>>>
>>> It gets to be a long way across the screen. I just type so far across 
>>> and hit enter and start a new line. 
>>>
>>> this does happen sometimes when we have an email that gets responded to 
>>> many times but these 
>>>
>>> are starting out that way. 
>>>
>>> Anyway keep us in the loop with your process and excited to see more. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 6:46 AM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>>
>>> Those look like a good solution and I would jump on it in a heartbeat if 
>>> only that head and ring assembly would clear. One other issue is that the 
>>> arm is not secured tightly to the axis so there is slight lateral movement 
>>> that is eliminated when my screw tightens.  Yes, the fit on the flats is 
>>> almost interference fit, but that doesn't eliminate lateral movement that 
>>> can disengage a loose pin. This screw pin is only 10-24 x 7/16" long OA and 
>>> it barely clears.  Those spring loaded things are monstrous by comparison. 
>>> If I were willing to modify original equipment permanently, things could be 
>>> different.  I could make another spindle...
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Re: margins.  I'm using the default margins on desktop, so I have 
>>> assumed automatic margin controls on other devices.  If not, how does one 
>>> limit the margins on desktop?  For 

Re: New bone 6x6 handle.

[Dan Krager]

That was indeed a clever rescue.  I prefer this outcome to what I imagine 
you had planned!  A real and 
striking serendipity. Now I may begin to regret that my index contraption 
might have prevented this
DanK

On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 9:48:24 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Good morning everyone.
>
> Thank you for the kind words. I too think its a good rescue.  I was in 
> shock when I looked at my X axis and found it a 1/8" off form center. and 
> knowing if I adjusted it after I started there would be no way of hiding 
> the mistake. So I just keep cutting until the end,  What I found was only a 
> half  of a rope, one side was rounded nicely, and the other was a sharp 
> edge on the bead/rope. What I decided to do was to re-adjust the X axis to 
> where is should have been at the start.
>
> I just got done buffing out this bone turning, I put in my Legacy drawer 
> to compare the buffed bone next to some of the other bone parts that I have 
> made.   You can see the difference in color.  
> Also in the photos you can see that I have a few bone blanks that I have 
> made up for the future projects, At this time, I have two blanks ready to 
> go, and enough bone to make two perhaps three more. (if I cut out the 
> smaller bone disks from what I have.)
>
> If anyone wants to know more about the process of making these. Please 
> ask,  If I can do it anyone in this group can. Its not hard and dose not 
> cost a lot of money to get started.
>
> Talk to you all more latter.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 09:05:33 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Hey Curt,
>
> Looks pretty good regardless, but I know I have had that happen when  you 
> think your centered and lo and behold!
> your not. But you made the best of it and still made a unique design for 
> sure. 
> Thanks for sharing Curt.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 11:50 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone, I did not have a lot of time to work on this ,before I 
> needed to leave for work this morning. 
> I plan to try to buff this handle tomorrow, and see if I can get it to 
> shine more. (The photo's don't due the part justice. The bone is not brown.)
>
> I am calling it 6x6 mainly due to I had planed to make a 6 start rope, but 
> after the first cut I found out that my Y axis was not on center. 
> I needed to cut another 6 starts form the off-set point, ( that is, to 
> move the axis over to the correct location.)  trying to balance the cuts 
> and salvage the part.
> What I ended up with was 12 roping cuts, slightly different sizes, (one 
> small bead inside two larger beads.)
> I think I like the look.
>
> "When Life gives you a lemon, The best thing to do with it, is to make 
> Lemon-aid. " ;-)
>
> I hope to talk to you guys more about it tomorrow.
> Have a good night everyone.
>
> C.A.G.
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Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

OH SNAP!  Tim, you're an enabler, yes?  LOL!  
After looking at your indexing head, I realized that any indexing system
worth its salt has more than one set of holes and the indexing arm holds 
the means to move the pin into another ring.  

Now I have the dividing heads that can put any number of holes in the SIC
and I should have thought of how they work, but hindsight is 20-20.  Oh 
dear!
Another project.  For another day.  Or year maybe. Slippery slope. Somebody 
stop me!

Help?  (he says faintly)

DanK
 P.S. 24 is enough.24 is enough.24 is enough. 24 is enough.24 is enough.24 
is enough. 
On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 10:54:04 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> Well the Dan Krager indexer is finished congratulations Dan I guess we 
> will see some magic happen
>
> From you from now on
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Sunday, 31 July 2022 7:06 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>
>  
>
> I'm happy to report that this arrangement works flawlesslyso far.  I 
> was able to
>
>  bring the little 8 start spoon handle to nearly salvageable state.  
>
>  
>
> Here is the new index arm awaiting the spring plunger that will thread into
>
> where the pointed threaded rod is temporarily. I tweaked the bushing for 
>
> tolerance and got a good bind on the index arm firmly to the spindle axis. 
>
> I didn't push the limits of the cleanup spins at the ends, so they will be 
>
> cleaned up by hand. Maybe the whole handle will be replaced.
>
>  
>
> And last but not least, two of the four stops have been replaced with these
>
> unbendable ones.
>
>  
>
> I'm really happy with how this now works.  Any number of reliably 
> repeatable indexable starts.. 
>
> No more math or stop blocks.Can spin cut just by releasing the lateral 
> screw and locking the X axis.
>
> Mission accomplished.
>
> DanK
>
>   
>
>  
>
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:59:44 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
> Well done Dan the spoon looks great looks like you’re getting there
>
> Don’t ever worry about things looking a little rough prototypes always are 
> till you get all the bugs ironed out just keep moving forward 
>
> Neat can come later when everything is working well . fun isn’t it 😊
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Saturday, 30 July 2022 11:55 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>
>  
>
> Bill, you're "preaching to the choir" about irreversible mods!  Absolutely 
> correct you are.  
>
> And none of my efforts have permanently changed anything but the process 
> of using it. 
>
> I am convinced now after today's efforts that this definitely (at least in 
> my world) will 
>
> change how twists are done. Here's the latest. But first, the spoon.
>
>  
>
> Today I sorted out how to get the gears arranged so the SIG is outside 
> giving me space to to 
>
> install a proper spring loaded index pin on the outside. First order of 
> business was to flip the
>
> gears as described above. Then replace the SIG plug with a spacer bushing. 
> My poor machining
>
> shows boldly here, but it works OK in spite. I hate it when mistakes like 
> this occur and to
>
> satisfy my OCD, I might remake it!  Still getting used to DRO positioning.
>
> Back side of SiG with the previous bushing modified to accommodate the SIG 
> bushing. 
>
>  
>
> Here is the view showing the flipped gears with SIG on the outside and 
> installed on 
>
> the bushings. I will have to remake the index arm and thanks to your 
> prompting ordered 
>
> an appropriate size spring loaded index pin with ring for it. But you can 
> see how this
>
> "improvement" gives space for it on the outside. The weak point in the 
> security of the
>
> sync is  the friction holding the index arm to the spindle. Moving the arm 
> outboard, I lost 
>
> use of the registration flats. 
>
> The good news here is that the SIG can be put back into original position 
> so the original 
>
> indexing pin and crank arrangement can be used for straight machining. 
>
>  
>
> This is where the new index arm will be mounted. As you can see it's wide 
> open.  If you look real
>
> closely, you will notice that the SIG bushing is too thick and pinches 
> it's free wheel motion. The
>
> inner bushing should be the one protruding. Easily fixed, just another 
> accumulated error thing. I
>
> was too anxious to share pic

Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

One of the first things I did was go to my collection of small 3 jaw chucks 
and found 
a 3/8" capacity (and i stopped there, but I'm sure there's a bigger one in 
there somewhere)
that just screwed on the REVO.  I've considered putting a bigger chuck on 
the REVO, 
but for now and for me, why?  Not yet. For one thing I need to do  more 
woodwork with 
it to see, but my gut tells me the primitive "headstock" they put on this 
just isn't sturdy 
enough. So for interchangeability, I put on a small square drive pointed 
"chuck" (pictures 
in history) that grips well enough for the pressure put on it.  And I 
modified one of my 
many Supershop lathe face plates to accept the REVO drive squares. I apply 
the REVO 
drive square to the workpiece, turn it on the lathe if I want, and then 
just move it to the 
REVO for further work. The lathe is SO much faster for round stuff.  
Consistency in 
"production" is another matter, so there's options to address that at the 
REVO. I work 
mostly in one off pieces with only occasional multiples. 

Those large gripping chucks have a place, but not yet here. I have a small 
4 jaw chuck
that just screws on, but again, not yet. We'll see.  
DanK

On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 10:54:56 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> Yea I bought one of those a few weeks  to fit my sc1 mini chuck to my revo 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Monday, 1 August 2022 12:17 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>
>  
>
> Hey Dan, 
>
>  
>
> More is better right lol!
>
>  I have attached something else you may want to consider. 
>
> These are sold through Penn State, very well made too. 
>
> I actually am ordering a couple more so I actually can add one to my 
> Shopsmith, 
>
> And then I need one for a new secret I'm working on. Stay tuned. 
>
>  
>
> https://www.pennstateind.com/store/spindle-adapters.html
>
>  
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 10:07 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
> OH SNAP!  Tim, you're an enabler, yes?  LOL!  
>
> After looking at your indexing head, I realized that any indexing system
>
> worth its salt has more than one set of holes and the indexing arm holds 
>
> the means to move the pin into another ring.  
>
>  
>
> Now I have the dividing heads that can put any number of holes in the SIC
>
> and I should have thought of how they work, but hindsight is 20-20.  Oh 
> dear!
>
> Another project.  For another day.  Or year maybe. Slippery slope. 
> Somebody stop me!
>
>  
>
> Help?  (he says faintly)
>
>  
>
> DanK
>
>  P.S. 24 is enough.24 is enough.24 is enough. 24 is enough.24 is enough.24 
> is enough. 
>
> On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 10:54:04 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
> Well the Dan Krager indexer is finished congratulations Dan I guess we 
> will see some magic happen
>
> From you from now on
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Dan Krager
> *Sent:* Sunday, 31 July 2022 7:06 AM
> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>
>  
>
> I'm happy to report that this arrangement works flawlesslyso far.  I 
> was able to
>
>  bring the little 8 start spoon handle to nearly salvageable state.  
>
>  
>
> Here is the new index arm awaiting the spring plunger that will thread into
>
> where the pointed threaded rod is temporarily. I tweaked the bushing for 
>
> tolerance and got a good bind on the index arm firmly to the spindle axis. 
>
> I didn't push the limits of the cleanup spins at the ends, so they will be 
>
> cleaned up by hand. Maybe the whole handle will be replaced.
>
>  
>
> And last but not least, two of the four stops have been replaced with these
>
> unbendable ones.
>
>  
>
> I'm really happy with how this now works.  Any number of reliably 
> repeatable indexable starts.. 
>
> No more math or stop blocks.Can spin cut just by releasing the lateral 
> screw and locking the X axis.
>
> Mission accomplished.
>
> DanK
>
>   
>
>  
>
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:59:44 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>
> Well done Dan the spoon looks great looks like you’re getting there
&g

Question about Bowls on REVO

[Dan Krager]

The "first LOM twist" thread is long and this is a bit different. So new 
conversation.
Bill and Tim were talking about larger chucks to mount on REVO, so my mind 
turned to bowl work. 

Question:  what is an efficient way to move bowl work from lathe to REVO 
for decorative work?  

Is there history that points to this experience? I haven't been down that 
path yet, but creative juices are stirring. The rotary table has pretty 
stringent height limitations for interior work, so I'm thinking first of 
exterior decoration of a form already made on a lathe.  The spindle on the 
REVO just doesn't seem adequate to hold a bowl without tail stock support. 
So moving a footed turning blank held in a NOVA chuck to the REVO doesn't 
seem like a straightforward option.  

Maybe I'll just stick to spindle work for a bit.

Inquiring mind wants to know.
DanK


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Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

I do not currently have a Shopsmith.  But it does seem that a 3" faceplate 
with four screw holes and a couple worm screw options would be reasonable.  
I can easily make that to fit the 5/8" REVO shaft and a 5/8" stub in the 
Supershop R-8 collet. So there's that. I'll wait to have done some creative 
work first. Just finishing up the beefy Y-axis stops, which are modified 
1/4" angle iron to get the "hand over head" stop wing that makes more sense 
up there. Pictures when done.  
DanK


On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 6:49:18 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> thanks Dan,
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 10:18 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>> One of the first things I did was go to my collection of small 3 jaw 
>> chucks and found 
>> a 3/8" capacity (and i stopped there, but I'm sure there's a bigger one 
>> in there somewhere)
>> that just screwed on the REVO.  I've considered putting a bigger chuck on 
>> the REVO, 
>> but for now and for me, why?  Not yet. For one thing I need to do  more 
>> woodwork with 
>> it to see, but my gut tells me the primitive "headstock" they put on this 
>> just isn't sturdy 
>> enough. So for interchangeability, I put on a small square drive pointed 
>> "chuck" (pictures 
>> in history) that grips well enough for the pressure put on it.  And I 
>> modified one of my 
>> many Supershop lathe face plates to accept the REVO drive squares. I 
>> apply the REVO 
>> drive square to the workpiece, turn it on the lathe if I want, and then 
>> just move it to the 
>> REVO for further work. The lathe is SO much faster for round stuff.  
>> Consistency in 
>> "production" is another matter, so there's options to address that at the 
>> REVO. I work 
>> mostly in one off pieces with only occasional multiples. 
>>
>> Those large gripping chucks have a place, but not yet here. I have a 
>> small 4 jaw chuck
>> that just screws on, but again, not yet. We'll see.  
>> DanK
>>
>> On Sunday, July 31, 2022 at 10:54:56 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:
>>
>>> Yea I bought one of those a few weeks  to fit my sc1 mini chuck to my 
>>> revo 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>>> *Sent:* Monday, 1 August 2022 12:17 PM
>>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: First LOM twist
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Hey Dan, 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> More is better right lol!
>>>
>>>  I have attached something else you may want to consider. 
>>>
>>> These are sold through Penn State, very well made too. 
>>>
>>> I actually am ordering a couple more so I actually can add one to my 
>>> Shopsmith, 
>>>
>>> And then I need one for a new secret I'm working on. Stay tuned. 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> https://www.pennstateind.com/store/spindle-adapters.html
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 30, 2022 at 10:07 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>>
>>> OH SNAP!  Tim, you're an enabler, yes?  LOL!  
>>>
>>> After looking at your indexing head, I realized that any indexing system
>>>
>>> worth its salt has more than one set of holes and the indexing arm holds 
>>>
>>> the means to move the pin into another ring.  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Now I have the dividing heads that can put any number of holes in the SIC
>>>
>>> and I should have thought of how they work, but hindsight is 20-20.  Oh 
>>> dear!
>>>
>>> Another project.  For another

Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

Already did that before I used it because it was rusty.  I used these things 
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001F527SW?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details> 
and will not buy another wire wheel. 
 Worked beautifully and very fast with no wire bits flying around. Looks 
better than new.

I'm a long ways from putting a Y-axis screw on the carriage. Until I get 
some woodwork done and see a need,
"improvements" will wait. Need to see how the things I've done work 
together.

DanK

On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 9:51:37 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Dan,
>
> Now you need to add this to the REVO.
>
> This is what I did to mine. The first couple pix are before I polished the 
> acme thread, and as you can see the after looks a lot better. A little 
> suggestion 
> from Bill about a Wire brush on mandrel worked way better then how I had 
> been 
> cleaning them up. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 4:05 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>> Thank you guys.  I can easily make what I need now for adapters and such. 
>> .  
>> Here are the Y-axis stops that replace the flimsy stock ones.  These will 
>> not bend
>> without destroying the rail!  1 1/2" x 1 1/2" x 1/4" angle iron machined 
>> to fit. Someday
>> get inspired to paint them black.
>> [image: REVOStops.JPG]
>>
>> Now, on to some creative woodwork. 
>>
>> DanK
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 3:06:25 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds good Dan, keep the fires  burning for sure. 
>>> Its just nice to have that 1-8 to 5/8 adapter so you can use more lom 
>>> stuff if you can get it. 
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 12:01 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I do not currently have a Shopsmith.  But it does seem that a 3" 
>>>> faceplate with four screw holes and a couple worm screw options would be 
>>>> reasonable.  I can easily make that to fit the 5/8" REVO shaft and a 5/8" 
>>>> stub in the Supershop R-8 collet. So there's that. I'll wait to have done 
>>>> some creative work first. Just finishing up the beefy Y-axis stops, which 
>>>> are modified 1/4" angle iron to get the "hand over head" stop wing that 
>>>> makes more sense up there. Pictures when done.  
>>>> DanK
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 6:49:18 AM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> thanks Dan,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>
>>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 10:18 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the first things I did was go to my collection of small 3 jaw 
>>>>>> chucks and found 
>>>>>> a 3/8" capacity (and i stopped there, but I'm sure there's a bigger 
>>>>>> one in there somewhere)
>>>>>> that just screwed on the REVO.  I've considered putting a bigger 
>>>>>> chuck on the REVO, 
>>>>>> but for now and for me, why?  Not yet. For one thing I need to do  
>>>>>> more woodwork with 
>>>>>> it to see, but my gut tells me the primitive "headstock" they put on 
>>>>>> this just isn't sturdy 
>>>>>> enough. So for interchangeability, I put on a small square drive 
>>>>>> pointed "chuck" (pictures 
>>>>>> in history) that grips well enough for the pressure put on it.  And I 
>>>>>> modified one of my 
>>>>>> many Supershop lathe face plates to accept the REVO drive squares. I 
>>>>>> apply the REVO 
>>>>>> drive squar

Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

LOL Bill.  All I could think of at your comment "video of you using the 
indexer" was
no one wants to see a video of me. It is a pet peeve of mine when a video 
presenter
invests almost 2 minutes of self promotion, then does the nose print and 
handwaving 
thing for the rest of the video. I watched one, and the first sign of it 
happening againdone

I know what you meant, and it will take a while and it will be short.  It's 
pretty simple.

Thanks, Tim.  Small correction...improving the REVO design. 

DanK
On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 9:26:41 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Awesome Dan, 
> Super excited that this is working and improving your design. 
> It looks impressive and I am very appreciative of your sharing your 
> innovations. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 5:35 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>> The spring pin for the index arm has arrived and is installed after 
>> turning the blunt pin to a taper.  
>> The system works better than if I had designed it!   
>> [image: REVOSpringPin.JPG]
>> DanK
>> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:35:12 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Dan, I think Mac may have mentioned them too. Glad you like them. 
>>> I may have to try some of them too. 
>>> Thanks for all your input on your progress Dan. I understand one has to 
>>> make 
>>> things and move forward. 
>>> In the meantime I hope you're really enjoying the Revo. 
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 9:05 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Already did that before I used it because it was rusty.  I used these 
>>>> things 
>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001F527SW?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details>
>>>>  
>>>> and will not buy another wire wheel. 
>>>>  Worked beautifully and very fast with no wire bits flying around. 
>>>> Looks better than new.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a long ways from putting a Y-axis screw on the carriage. Until I 
>>>> get some woodwork done and see a need,
>>>> "improvements" will wait. Need to see how the things I've done work 
>>>> together.
>>>>
>>>> DanK
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 9:51:37 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Dan,
>>>>>
>>>>> Now you need to add this to the REVO.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is what I did to mine. The first couple pix are before I polished 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> acme thread, and as you can see the after looks a lot better. A little 
>>>>> suggestion 
>>>>> from Bill about a Wire brush on mandrel worked way better then how I 
>>>>> had been 
>>>>> cleaning them up. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>
>>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 4:05 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you guys.  I can easily make what I need now for adapters and 
>>>>>> such. 
>>>>>> .  
>>>>>> Here are the Y-axis stops that replace the flimsy stock ones.  These 
>>>>>> will not bend
>>>>>> without destroying the rail!  1 1/2" x 1 1/2" x 1/4" angle iron 
>>>>>> machined to fit. Someday
>>>>>> get inspired to paint them black.
>>>>>> [image: REVOStops.JPG]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, on to some creative woodwork. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DanK
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 3:06:25 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>

Re: key

[Dan Krager]

That is an amazing piece of work, Bill.  Ya, a shame to hear that go down 
in flames. Never  thought of stacking spirals like that.  Gives me an idea 
to salvage the "too thin" spoon handle I bungled up at start.  
Thank you for posting.  We'll bring new life out of this.
DanK

On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 8:58:56 PM UTC-4 Ccm Ccm wrote:

> Nice work 
>
> On Sunday, August 7, 2022,  wrote:
>
>> Ok because it’s a bit slow on the group I’m reposting one of my old 
>> projects.
>>
>> Here in the land down under we have an old custom when a person turns 21 
>> years old
>>
>> On their birthday the parents gives them a 21st birthday key.
>>
>> It signifies they are now an adult and can come and go from home anytime 
>> without asking.
>>
>> Here is the one I made for my niece years ago, the inner spiral is a half 
>> inch dia 3 start rope
>>
>> with a 1 ½ inch pitch, The hollow spiral is a 2 start 1 ½ inch dia 3inch 
>> pitch,
>>
>> the inner spiral of the key is silver ash and all the rest Is red gum 
>> eucalypt.
>>
>> The handle I did on the scroll saw her name is Mirriam  Lempers 
>>
>> The sad part is we had a falling out some years ago and she destroyed it 
>> all the remains are
>>
>> These pics I took when I made it.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
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Re: First LOM twist

[Dan Krager]

Here's a short video 
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sUlyspAGEpcgfknQ4e2ZxVIJVF5zrsiJ/view?usp=sharing>that
 
shows what I made, how it goes together, and how it's used. I offer no 
dimensions because it's all pretty much to fit. YMMV.  This for any spiral 
cut, any number of starts (depending on index ring used) and any cutter 
diameter or depth. Because the starts are indexed, there are no cumulative 
errors developing when the sync is broken. You can even repeat first cuts 
if needed. If there is no appreciable backlash, that return to start 
movement can be eliminated by cutting on the back stroke. Starts between 
the original starts can be done reliably as "offsets". It satisfies my CDO, 
which is in alphabetical order like it should be.

The original index pin can be used to locate indexed straight cuts by 
putting the SIG back into its original position on the spindle flats, 
disengage the screw feed at the carriage and you're good to go. 

DanK
On Monday, August 8, 2022 at 10:41:59 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Dan,
>
> Have you had some additional time to do some more testing on your creation?
> I would really like it if you can possibly show some additional pix with 
> your step by 
> step again so I can get a better idea of how it's working. I really want 
> to understand
> it better. Your final result is very inspiring. 
> So what did you have to drill, or modify etc... I know you went through 
> this but
> I really want to better understand your concept and maybe apply it to one 
> of my 
> LOM"s.  Thanks Dan
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 5:35 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>> The spring pin for the index arm has arrived and is installed after 
>> turning the blunt pin to a taper.  
>> The system works better than if I had designed it!   
>> [image: REVOSpringPin.JPG]
>> DanK
>> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 10:35:12 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Dan, I think Mac may have mentioned them too. Glad you like them. 
>>> I may have to try some of them too. 
>>> Thanks for all your input on your progress Dan. I understand one has to 
>>> make 
>>> things and move forward. 
>>> In the meantime I hope you're really enjoying the Revo. 
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 9:05 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Already did that before I used it because it was rusty.  I used these 
>>>> things 
>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001F527SW?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details>
>>>>  
>>>> and will not buy another wire wheel. 
>>>>  Worked beautifully and very fast with no wire bits flying around. 
>>>> Looks better than new.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a long ways from putting a Y-axis screw on the carriage. Until I 
>>>> get some woodwork done and see a need,
>>>> "improvements" will wait. Need to see how the things I've done work 
>>>> together.
>>>>
>>>> DanK
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 9:51:37 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Dan,
>>>>>
>>>>> Now you need to add this to the REVO.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is what I did to mine. The first couple pix are before I polished 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> acme thread, and as you can see the after looks a lot better. A little 
>>>>> suggestion 
>>>>> from Bill about a Wire brush on mandrel worked way better then how I 
>>>>> had been 
>>>>> cleaning them up. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>>>
>>>>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>>>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 4:05 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you 

Re: Rotary Table, self centering, Longworth Chuck modification

[Dan Krager]

What a good idea, Tim.  Self centering is cool.  It seems a lot of height 
is lost to the fixture, but probably unavoidable.  Is this turn table 
connected to the gear train via PTO shaft?  If so, you have a 24 position 
index on the SIG.  My first thought was to question how securely the LW 
pegs would hold, but you have a square workpiece.  
DanK
On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 10:11:13 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Well, Finally after about a year of dreaming I have my first prototype 
> self centering
> Rotary Table equipped "Ron Brown's Best type II Longworth chuck. 
> I did my first Rosette on it as well, nothing pretty but was a good test. 
> Had a couple
> learning curves with it and no I did not have it hooked up to an indexing 
> plate yet.
> That will be next. 
> so I took an 1-8 TPI X 5/8 bore Shopsmith adapter  and cut the thread off, 
> and milled,
> drilled and turned a 6 plate and welded the two together and then trued in 
> up on the 
> metal lathe. (handy work of my brother) I was the gopher for these 
> precious steps. 
> Once complete, I found the dead center on my rotary table, drilled 4 holes 
> in the plate
> and mounted it to the rotary table. Now I have a male end adapter to 
> accept the female
> end of the Longworth Chuck. This now spins on and off with ease. 
> I also changed the dogs or rubber grips to use shorter ones to clear the 
> Router carriage. 
> The flaw so far is that I have only enough clearance to do approx. 3/4 
> inch Rosettes. 
> I will be using the indexing system the next time I run this. 
> I bought the Longworth chuck through Rockler. 
> Overall I am super satisfied with my first attempt. I need to get it 
> lower, so not sure what will be my next steps except machine the hub down 
> on the Chuck it's self. they also make on that is out of 1/4 phenolic with 
> would give me another 1/2 in. 
>
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Re: REvO work

[Dan Krager]

The only lazy Susan work done on the REVO was the column twist. The rest is 
lathe, scroll saw, and hand held router work. 
The napkin holder is of course layered scroll work. 

The lazy Susan wood is sycamore and has no stain.  I prefer not to use 
stain if I don't have to match anything.  
The finish is two coats of Deft (brushing) lacquer thinned 10% and sprayed 
on.  It has a very high 
solids content, seals quickly and builds fast.  Sands unbelievably quickly 
with stearated abrasive 
papers.It is slightly retarded for the advertised brushing 
capability. Why use it?  It's readily available in the local stores.  
Otherwise I would use Sherwin Williams 
lacquer.  Used their catalyzed lacquer once and liked it, but it does not 
store well at all.  Deft has a
nearly infinite shelf life with no skimming.  I leave it in the spray gun.  
Just mix it up good to stir 
the flattening agent.  I clean the gun about every five years whether it 
needs it or not. I gave up my 
pressure pots in the move.  I may get a small one again just for that.

The spoon is pear surrounded by sycamore and one coat of oiled varnish, 
"Antique Oil".  

Thanks for all the encouragement.
DanK
On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 2:34:30 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Very good. I'm glad that is working out for you. 
> Great work.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 12:21 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
>> The spoon pics: 
>> [image: SpoonTwist1.jpg][image: Salvage.JPG]
>>
>> DanK
>> On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 1:20:13 PM UTC-4 Dan Krager wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone.  Well, the indexer works quite well when the pin stays 
>>> engaged properly. I found that the miscreant machining on the SIG bushing 
>>> allowed the index ring on the SIG to move off center so the index pin 
>>> doesn't engage properly on part of the gear. That's an easy fix...make new 
>>> SIG bushing. 
>>>
>>> In the meantime, I made it work by moving the gear back on center in its 
>>> slop.  Here's two recent projects.  Remember the beginners mistake on the 
>>> spoon?  This is the fix.  I forgot to change the pitch hand to better show 
>>> off the internal spiral.
>>>
>>> [image: LazySusan5.JPG][image: LazySusan1.JPG][image: 
>>> LazySusan2.JPG][image: 
>>> LazySusan3.JPG][image: LazySusan4.JPG]
>>>
>>> The lazy susan is configurable for the mood.  It circulates smoothly on 
>>> six marble "bearings" running a shallow path under the top and on top of 
>>> base.  They are held in spaced position by a thin plywood ring with six 
>>> marble sized holes.  The center shaft is a custom machined post with a 
>>> recessed lock nut under the base.
>>> DanK 
>>>
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Re: REvO work

[Dan Krager]

I bought my 30" Excalibur "locally" from a lumber/tool vendor just east of 
St. Louis MO.  Been a great saw. 
 I used to be a dealer for RBI saws and planers, but this saw beats the RBI 
all hollow.
Now they're made by a company in Canada I think.
DanK
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 12:18:40 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Very Nice Dan!
>
>  Sycamore is on of my favorite woods! and it goes well with the pear wood 
> center. Good Call, the two woods look Great together. 
>
> Keep up the good work.  ;-)
>
> C.A.G.
> On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 10:45:40 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Sweet saw with the parallel link system. But that's a subject all on its 
> own lol. 
> you buy yours from Seyco the scroll saw specialists Bill?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 9:06 PM  wrote:
>
> Excalibur scroll saw yay I have one of those a 21 inch and 2 delta scroll 
> saws
>
> I find 21inch big enough for me that’s a 42 inch reach with spiral blades
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Thursday, 18 August 2022 9:22 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: REvO work
>
>  
>
> Well to say the least I am proud of your work. 
>
> Bill and I both love the scroll saw as well. I have the Excalibur 30 inch 
> and love it. 
>
> I still have a couple craftsman C arm as well and think they are 20 inch 
> but dont recall. 
>
> but enough of that. I can't wait to see what else is on the agenda. Great 
> lathe work too. 
>
> I enjoy turning as well. 
>
> Yeah so in the lacquer world Deft is a good precat lacquer and yes stir it 
> up and away you go. 
>
> I use mostly Sherwin Willams and catalyze it myself, also some poly, and 
> conversion varnish, etc... 
>
> but depends on what I'm doing for who. 
>
> I am also testing some wipe on stuff but big on spraying. Doing it as a 
> living, spraying is the only way. 
>
> Anyway keep up the awesome work looking for more to come my friend. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 2:37 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
> The only lazy Susan work done on the REVO was the column twist. The rest 
> is lathe, scroll saw, and hand held router work. 
>
> The napkin holder is of course layered scroll work. 
>
>  
>
> The lazy Susan wood is sycamore and has no stain.  I prefer not to use 
> stain if I don't have to match anything.  
>
> The finish is two coats of Deft (brushing) lacquer thinned 10% and sprayed 
> on.  It has a very high 
>
> solids content, seals quickly and builds fast.  Sands unbelievably quickly 
> with stearated abrasive 
>
> papers.It is slightly retarded for the advertised brushing 
>
> capability. Why use it?  It's readily available in the local stores.  
> Otherwise I would use Sherwin Williams 
>
> lacquer.  Used their catalyzed lacquer once and liked it, but it does not 
> store well at all.  Deft has a
>
> nearly infinite shelf life with no skimming.  I leave it in the spray 
> gun.  Just mix it up good to stir 
>
> the flattening agent.  I clean the gun about every five years whether it 
> needs it or not. I gave up my 
>
> pressure pots in the move.  I may get a small one again just for that.
>
>  
>
> The spoon is pear surrounded by sycamore and one coat of oiled varnish, 
> "Antique Oil".  
>
>  
>
> Thanks for all the encouragement.
>
> DanK
>
> On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 2:34:30 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> Very good. I'm glad that is working out for you. 
>
> Great work.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>  
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 12:21 PM Dan Krager  wrote:
>
> The spoon pics: 
>
>  
>
> DanK
>
> On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 1:20:13 PM UTC-4 Dan Krager wrote:
>
> Hi everyone.  Well, the indexer works quite well when the pin stays 
> engaged properly. I found 

Re: cutting the corners off square stock

[Dan Krager]

I like "no measure" techniques and that one is fair dinkum.  Thanks Bill.
DanK
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 10:11:29 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Good stuff Bill, I'm sure we all can use a little fresh info now and 
> again. Thanks
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 8:29 PM  wrote:
>
>> Not sure if I ever posted this before but in case I haven’t its how to 
>> evenly cut the corners off your square 
>>
>> Stock for using on the legacy I use this guys method easy no measuring no 
>> math just how I like it
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkEV-xZYaJ0&ab_channel=EpicWoodworking
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
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Rose Engine for Jet wood lathe

[Dan Krager]

Has anyone seen or experienced this item 
?  I 
stumbled into it looking at how to machine wood threads on the REVO and was 
amazed.  

In short, it's a rose engine that bolts directly to a Jet 1014 standard 
lathe and offers almost all the capabilities of the rose engine lathe of 
antiquity.  For those wearing hip boots and waders in this OM business, 
this seems like the cat's meow.  

I'm not deep into extensive ornamental turning as it is a very specialty 
item that takes a lot of time, but for those with creative energy to burn, 
this would be a fun specialty.

BTW, haven't found internal or external threading discussions yet

DanK 

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Re: Rose Engine for Jet wood lathe

[Dan Krager]

Thank you, Bill.  I had found your video and appreciated it.  I watched it 
again from your link here. I don't have more than the standard gears that 
came with the REVO, so getting a suitable thread pitch is something I will 
have to study. Eventually my goal is to be able to mill wood threads from 
1" diameter to the capacity of the REVO using appropriate pitches.  There 
are no SAE standards I presume.  I'll have to do some m-m-mmm-m-math to get 
there. Has the table of gear ratios to use for certain pitches been made or 
do I have to invent the wheel?  
DanK




On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 7:58:54 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> Yea mike I bet it will and I bet he has already seen it before too lol
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Okla Mike (Liltwisted)
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 23 August 2022 9:31 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Rose Engine for Jet wood lathe
>
>  
>
> That is really going to drive Curtis CRAZY!
>
> On 8/22/2022 5:31 PM, Dan Krager wrote:
>
> Has anyone seen or experienced this item 
> <http://bicitywoodturners.com/newsletters/articles/Rose_Engine.pdf>?  I 
> stumbled into it looking at how to machine wood threads on the REVO and was 
> amazed.  
>
>  
>
> In short, it's a rose engine that bolts directly to a Jet 1014 standard 
> lathe and offers almost all the capabilities of the rose engine lathe of 
> antiquity.  For those wearing hip boots and waders in this OM business, 
> this seems like the cat's meow.  
>
>  
>
> I'm not deep into extensive ornamental turning as it is a very specialty 
> item that takes a lot of time, but for those with creative energy to burn, 
> this would be a fun specialty.
>
>  
>
> BTW, haven't found internal or external threading discussions yet
>
>  
>
> DanK 
>
>  
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Re: New bone turning projects

[Dan Krager]

Very nice work, Curt and a good improvement for truing up the disks.  Are 
all the discs the same thickness?  
If you really want to mass produce same thickness discs, there are ways. I 
have used similar methods to get 
same thickness wood discs.  I don't foresee myself doing bone work for a 
long while yet.  Like Bill, too many 
other shiny objects.  
DanK

On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 9:18:14 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Not the rod that I am sanding on, but Yes I do glue a brass rod in the 
> middle of my bone turnings, most of the time. 
> I did a bottle stopper and a few pull knobs where I did not glue a brass 
> rod on, But for most of the turnings that I have done, there is a brass rod 
> in the middle of them.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Thursday, August 25, 2022 at 04:50:35 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> So you're gluing it to the brass rod?
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 11:16 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>  wrote:
>
> Hey Tim.
>
> Can you be more clear, More pix? of which part?
> Here is another photo of the sanding of my disks.
>
> What I did here is, I put a brass rod (the same as the ones I use on my 
> project.) In this Vee block. the brass rod is holding the disk, the back 
> side of the disk is flat on the steel Vee block. I clamped the straight 
> edges pieces of wood onto my table. using this as my guide to keep the disk 
> and the sanding plate square to each other. 
> I sand the disk flat, and then turn 90 deg. and kiss the disk again to 
> make sure the bone is flat and true to the Vee block.
> Sanding bone is very quick, although somewhat messy/dusty. I weir my 
> raspier mask when sanding. 
> On the good side of things, using this method, lets me use small/thinner 
> bone disks that I would have throw away using my earlier methods. 
> (basically due to there being no way I could hold the very thin bone disk 
> in a chuck to face off .)
>
> I hope this helps answer some of the questions?
>
> Have a good night.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 10:36:01 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> You might have to share some pix of that Curt. As you know my process is 
> super accurate but extremely labor intense. 
> More later
>
> Tim
>
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2022, 9:11 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Tim
>
> As I make more the time is getting much better.
> I've been using a new method of trueing up the bone, I am sanding the bone 
> on a holder to get them fat and true to each other.   All three method that 
> I've used in the past work, but this new way is more precise then the first 
> way I sanded the disks, and much faster the using the steel lathe. 
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 06:41:55 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Yeah its got good color for sure.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 3:31 AM  wrote:
>
> Very nice curt very uniform color this time
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 24 August 2022 3:34 PM
> *To:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>
> *Subject:* Re: New bone turning projects
>
>  
>
> Here is a better photo.
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
> On Wednesday, August 24, 2022 at 12:02:20 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via Legacy 
> Ornamental Mills  wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> I got some free time to finish this glass/bone handle off tonight.
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
> On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 05:53:06 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> I suppose once I quit trying to run 2 business's maybe I'll have more free 
> time lol. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 1:29 PM  wrote:
>
> Curt has been doing it longer your turn will come Tim, both of you 
> together have more projects done than me lol
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 24 August 2022 1:45 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: New bone turning projects
>
>  
>
> Curt seems to get the most projects done. I only play and don't have but a 
> pile of spindles to show for it lol.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston 

Re: tilting Z axis

[Dan Krager]

Hey, Bill.  This is a great fair dinkum mod and your execution is top 
notch.  Do you have a powder coater?  This is not so easily done on a REVO, 
so it will be a long ways off before I can do it.

Curious minds have questions. It looks like in the pictures that the router 
can tilt only 45°L or R.  How does internal threading happen?  It looks 
like the Z axis plate would descend below the carriage for threading in the 
headstock spindle if the router could turn  90° L.  Are there another pair 
of holes for use when the router is horizontal?

DanK

On Saturday, August 27, 2022 at 4:54:01 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> Today I finished modifying my z axis into a tilting z axis.
>
> It will tilt to 90 degrees in either direction meaning 
>
> Hollowing or internal threading is possible
>
>  
>
> Here is a short video showing movement 
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/c1l2rk3x7x8u8tp/AABDOUO18HBunlPyT1m7sQ1aa?dl=0
>
>  
>
> Bill
>

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Re: tilting Z axis

[Dan Krager]

OK.  Questions answered and I understand like a grownup!  I overlooked the 
holes in the slots.  

I was curious about powder coat because your swivel plate looked nice and 
shiny with a heavy coat.  Usually enamel paint doesn't look the same as 
powder coat.

DanK


On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 11:30:11 AM UTC-4 aussiman wrote:

> I drilled a indent in the shaft for the grubscrew to screw and lock into 
> so the hand wheel wont spin and slip any more  
>
> On the shaft
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> 
> *Sent:* Sunday, 28 August 2022 11:53 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: tilting Z axis
>
>  
>
> Good morning Everyone.
>
>  
>
> Bill I don't see what you have done to make the screw no slip? can you 
> explain the photo? 
>
>  
>
> C.A.G.
>
>  
>
> On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 12:54:44 AM EDT,  
> wrote: 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> A fault I found with the Z axis that I found in mine anyway is a slipping 
> hand wheel so I fixed  it this way no it never slips
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Sunday, 28 August 2022 12:49 PM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: tilting Z axis
>
>  
>
> Its an awesome mod. for sure. thanks for sharing. 
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 9:12 PM  wrote:
>
> Not yet I just set any angle with the inclometer seen in one of the pics 
>
> Or just a spirit level on the red plate. 
>
> I will do a threading video when I can showing it doing its horizontal 
> stuff
>
> Also so far the 3 bolts seem to be enough to hold the router from moving
>
> So at this stage I’m not adding location screws.
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
>  
>
> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Sunday, 28 August 2022 11:29 AM
> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: tilting Z axis
>
>  
>
> very cool Bill,
>
> I am super impressed with your innovations. 
>
> I really like the adapter ring you made to accommodate the router.
>
> Now we need to see something run with it tipped. 
>
> Did you add positive stop as well when you hit straight up?
>
> Thanks for sharing and continuing to make such cool mod's. 
>
>  
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>  
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>  
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 3:54 AM  wrote:
>
> Today I finished modifying my z axis into a tilting z axis.
>
> It will tilt to 90 degrees in either direction meaning 
>
> Hollowing or internal threading is possible
>
>  
>
> Here is a short video showing movement 
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/c1l2rk3x7x8u8tp/AABDOUO18HBunlPyT1m7sQ1aa?dl=0
>
>  
>
> Bill
>
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Father's day gift?

[Dan Krager]

Happy Father's Day, Bill.  Glad you got your breakfast.  Finally.

Here's something 
for
 
someone's wish list.  Not on my bucket list.

DanK

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Re: Dowel making on the Legacy

[Dan Krager]

Nice work, Curt!  Receiver should be happy with those!
DanK


On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 9:19:01 PM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Hello Everyone.
> We had a very short Labor Day Get-away this weekend.  
> OUR weather turned south,(meaning it went form 89 deg. to 65 in one 
> evening.) 
> Being on the Lake with its almost 90 is nice. But 65 deg. it No fun all 
> all. (its just to cold for my teste)  
> So We came home a day early.
> This Project.
> I promised a friend of mine I would make some gavels for him, If he gave 
> me the wood. (he gave me a 3"x4"x 3' maple, rough cut)
> All three were cut out form one piece of wood,  I needed 3- 2"x 5" dowels 
> and 3 -1"x 12" dowels cut, to make these gavels.
> This job ended up starting with the band saw, then the Legacy, for the 
> roughing part of this job, and then, I turned the wood on my lathe for the 
> finals.
>
> The Lathe is an Awesome tool. But making a straight and round piece of 
> wood on the Lathe is very hard to do. (for me.) But  lucky for me I own a 
> Legacy Ornamental Mill. ;-p It made this job MUCH Easer!
>
> What I did was to cut this wood into one 2 1/2" round dowel, and 2- 1" 
> dowel, which from, both could be taken down to the finial measurement 
> rather quickly. 
>
> If you notice on the Last photo, all three have different handles. I was 
> not given any direction, On how to make these, except he wanted 3 gavels.  
> (if he doesn't like the handles, I can always make another 3 latter. but I 
> think he will be happy with these?)
>
> I have to clean up now, and put my stuff away.
>
> Talk to you all more latter.
>
> Have a good day, and a Very Nice Labor day (holiday) everyone.
>
> C.A.G.
>

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REVO handle making

[Dan Krager]

 

I'm challenging myself to make a set of 20 + Pfeil style handles for a 
woodworking friend using my recently acquired Legacy REVO ornamental mill. 
 For decades I've wanted an LOM to be able to do precise work like this. 
Osage orange is notoriously difficult to machine cleanly either by hand or 
under power. So the challenge is tall. I'm really impressed with the clean 
accuracy of this process.  I'm using a 1/2" upcut spiral bit in the router. 
Starting with 1 3/8" x 7 3/4" octagon blanks cut on table saw, there is 
still a lot of material for a router to remove, especially on first facet. 
It takes two passes per facet, the second being a "cleanup" pass to be sure 
the template was followed. I have no motor driven feeds, just hand cranks. 
 The first one took almost 30 minutes from bench to bench, but repetition 
without shortcuts has reduced the time to about 10 minutes average.  It 
cuts through knots and irregular grain as clean as can be. 

DanK
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Re: new video

[Dan Krager]

Me thinks "fair dinkum true blue skippy" applies to these videos.  

DanK

On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 10:47:42 PM UTC-4 timjz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yeah I hear you thats a lot of time. but great. 
> thanks and looking forward to more. 
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2022 at 9:41 PM  wrote:
>
>> Yea at least if I make a few and post them there is no copy right 
>> problems not sure how many 
>>
>> I can do they are so time consuming the first one took me over 16 hours 
>>
>>  
>>
>> And the second one about 10 hours especially with my revo not quit up to 
>> scratch but I think its ok now.
>>
>> The wood its only crappy old pine But im not doing them for looks 
>> hopefully a 3 start rope will be the next
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
>> *Sent:* Sunday, 2 October 2022 12:42 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: new video
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill, your work is outstanding and we all appreciate your knowledge and 
>> expertise at it. 
>>
>> You're the first one willing to step up to the plate and do this type of 
>> training videos. 
>>
>> Keep up the great work. 
>>
>> I will be heading in shortly from the laser room to watch your video 
>> again tonight. 
>>
>> Thanks for all you do and will do to inspire and tutor others. It's 
>> great. 
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>  
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>>
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 1, 2022 at 2:50 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> if it helps just one person then it’s worth it filming and milling at the 
>> same time is difficult 
>>
>> especially from a mobility scooter
>>
>> I do it all with my cell phone along with editing it takes many hours
>>
>> I’m doing them on the revo mill because its more open so everyone can see 
>> better.
>>
>> the principle is the same so hopefully anyone with the normal manual 
>> mills can do it too
>>
>> I’m no expert but I try to show the simplest way to do it might not be 
>> the correct way but its my way.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *Rick Hutley
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 1 October 2022 10:37 PM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: new video
>>
>>  
>>
>> I just watched the single start barley twist -outstanding. You show every 
>> step, in detail. I am a beginner (still) and have made barley twists the 
>> traditional way - through a frustrating process of trial and error! This is 
>> the first time I’ve seen how to use the gear chart. If only I’d had your 
>> video it would have saved me a lot of time, sawdust, and frequent profanity 
>> 😂
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thank you for these videos Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Oct 1, 2022, at 00:54, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> A+.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Nice start Bill.
>>
>>  
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 04:23:46 PM EDT,  
>> wrote: 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks mac could you follow it ok with the missing video footage I lost 
>> I’m hoping there is enough there to
>>
>> Still learn how to mill a piece of stock to a certain size
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  
>> *On Behalf Of *M.W.Foscue
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 1 October 2022 5:23 AM
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: new video
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>>  
>>
>> I wholeheartedly agree with Tim - you did an EXCELLENT job producing that 
>> video!
>>
>> (Look out! - Steven Spielberg!  Bill's coming at you!  LoL!)
>>
>> That is one thing that we all are missing out on - basic and 
>> intermediate-level LOM videos.
>>
>> There are lots of folks getting their LOM "second hand" ("used"; but 
>> sometimes some or all of it still in the factory boxes!) - so there 
>> definitely is a NEED for very helpful videos like yours.
>>
>> On behalf of myself and others in this LOM Group - THANK YOU!
>>
>>  
>>
>> We look forward to MANY more. (That scares both Spielberg and "Follywood" 
>> producers!)
>>
>> Mac
>> --
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> Sent: Sep 30, 2022 1:28 PM
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: new video
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hey Bill,  
>>
>>  
>>
>> thats awesome, that you took the time to make a good detailed video for 
>> the new LOM owners. 
>>
>> Its always good to see details like that. The length is fine. you get 
>> good content in it that way.
>>
>> I am all about longer videos if that what it takes to show what you need 
>> to show.  
>>
>> Great job