Re: Tim, Legacy's recommended Barley Twist cutter size guide.

[Tim Ziegler]

you bet.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 8:29 AM cdkr...@gmail.com  wrote:

> Agreed.  Thank you for posting them.
> DanK
>
> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 12:35:49 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:
>
>> Those are pretty nice charts.  Nice reference material.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 09:41:31 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
>> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
>> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: *Legacy Woodworking Machinery* 
>> Date: Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 4:41 PM
>> Subject: Tim, Legacy's recommended Barley Twist cutter size guide.
>> To: Tim Ziegler 
>>
>>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>>
>> Recently we demonstrated the Barley Twist router bits making single &
>> multi start barley twists and hollow spirals.  If you have not seen those
>> videos, jump over to Legacy's YouTube Channel
>> <https://legacywoodworking.lt.acemlnb.com/Prod/link-tracker?redirectUrl=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZ3d3cueW91dHViZS5jb20lMkZwbGF5bGlzdCUzRmxpc3QlM0RQTDlSS0k3SW51UEZ6M1lzSld2WkpMdjRkY3dJRmJkSTZT=%7C%7C252137679%7C%7C=legacywoodworking.activehosted.com=xQBhXehz7uR5uPA%2B3Xf1iLuwFy0M%2B6LpHg%2BOMsPcY%2BEGzzCaHA%3D%3D%3A6v5iLIdBgW7ZCNz%2F%2FSOpmpFGH5r9tqZD=0f948c1abc41bcbf73a8fc168bb6c67f=927A5023A16A12516=CjGBrAsEyDtixxwEWMQhE2AGAspq1kai4E8aFsFcJuD7=1694209250>
>> .
>> [image: Magnate Rope Molding Router Bits]
>>
>> The main question that came from those videos is what size barley twist
>> cutter should I buy?  Below, you can find a few recommendations to help you
>> decide.  Simply, choose how many spiral starts and the stock diameter, and
>> the charts will recommend which cutter to use.  You can also use
>> these formulas.
>>
>>
>> Determine Cutter Size For Single Start Barley Twist:
>>
>> - Barley Twist Cutter Diameter = Diameter of Round Turned Stock
>>
>>
>> Determine Cutter Size For Multi Start Barley Twist:
>>
>> - Barley Twist Cutter Diameter = 2 X Diameter of Stock / Number of Starts
>>
>>
>> Determine Cutter Size For Hollowing a Barley Twist:
>>
>> - Long Straight Cutter Diameter = 25% X Barley Twist Cutter Diameter
>>
>>
>> You can order these cutters directly from *Magnate at 1-800-827-2316
>> <(800)%20827-2316>*
>>
>>
>> Recommended Barley Twist Router Bit for 1 or 2 Start Spirals
>>
>> Recommended Barley Twist Router Bit for Three Start Spirals
>>
>> Recommended Straight Cutter for Hollow Spirals
>>
>> Call 801491 0010 or visit out website to learn more about CNC woodworking
>> without limitations
>> www.lwmcnc.com
>> <https://legacywoodworking.lt.acemlnb.com/Prod/link-tracker?redirectUrl=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZ3d3cubHdtY25jLmNvbQ%3D%3D=%7C%7C252137679%7C%7C=legacywoodworking.activehosted.com=xQBhXehz7uR5uPA%2B3Xf1iLuwFy0M%2B6LpHg%2BOMsPcY%2BEGzzCaHA%3D%3D%3A6v5iLIdBgW7ZCNz%2F%2FSOpmpFGH5r9tqZD=0f948c1abc41bcbf73a8fc168bb6c67f=927A5023A16A12500=BjctQUK1zW2Dr1rrrknVtmgqoPGnMdFDhWdTL9v5EoJH=1694209250>
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Re: Tim, Legacy's recommended Barley Twist cutter size guide.

[cdkr...@gmail.com]

Agreed.  Thank you for posting them.
DanK

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 12:35:49 AM UTC-4 Curt George wrote:

> Those are pretty nice charts.  Nice reference material.
>
> C.A.G.
>
> On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 09:41:31 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler <
> timjz...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: *Legacy Woodworking Machinery* 
> Date: Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 4:41 PM
> Subject: Tim, Legacy's recommended Barley Twist cutter size guide.
> To: Tim Ziegler 
>
>
> Hi Tim,
>
>
> Recently we demonstrated the Barley Twist router bits making single & 
> multi start barley twists and hollow spirals.  If you have not seen those 
> videos, jump over to Legacy's YouTube Channel 
> <https://legacywoodworking.lt.acemlnb.com/Prod/link-tracker?redirectUrl=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZ3d3cueW91dHViZS5jb20lMkZwbGF5bGlzdCUzRmxpc3QlM0RQTDlSS0k3SW51UEZ6M1lzSld2WkpMdjRkY3dJRmJkSTZT=%7C%7C252137679%7C%7C=legacywoodworking.activehosted.com=xQBhXehz7uR5uPA%2B3Xf1iLuwFy0M%2B6LpHg%2BOMsPcY%2BEGzzCaHA%3D%3D%3A6v5iLIdBgW7ZCNz%2F%2FSOpmpFGH5r9tqZD=0f948c1abc41bcbf73a8fc168bb6c67f=927A5023A16A12516=CjGBrAsEyDtixxwEWMQhE2AGAspq1kai4E8aFsFcJuD7=1694209250>
> .
> [image: Magnate Rope Molding Router Bits] 
>
> The main question that came from those videos is what size barley twist 
> cutter should I buy?  Below, you can find a few recommendations to help you 
> decide.  Simply, choose how many spiral starts and the stock diameter, and 
> the charts will recommend which cutter to use.  You can also use 
> these formulas.
>
>
> Determine Cutter Size For Single Start Barley Twist:
>
> - Barley Twist Cutter Diameter = Diameter of Round Turned Stock
>
>
> Determine Cutter Size For Multi Start Barley Twist:
>
> - Barley Twist Cutter Diameter = 2 X Diameter of Stock / Number of Starts
>
>
> Determine Cutter Size For Hollowing a Barley Twist:
>
> - Long Straight Cutter Diameter = 25% X Barley Twist Cutter Diameter
>
>
> You can order these cutters directly from *Magnate at 1-800-827-2316 
> <(800)%20827-2316>*
>
>
> Recommended Barley Twist Router Bit for 1 or 2 Start Spirals
>
> Recommended Barley Twist Router Bit for Three Start Spirals
>
> Recommended Straight Cutter for Hollow Spirals
>
> Call 801491 0010 or visit out website to learn more about CNC woodworking 
> without limitations
> www.lwmcnc.com 
> <https://legacywoodworking.lt.acemlnb.com/Prod/link-tracker?redirectUrl=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZ3d3cubHdtY25jLmNvbQ%3D%3D=%7C%7C252137679%7C%7C=legacywoodworking.activehosted.com=xQBhXehz7uR5uPA%2B3Xf1iLuwFy0M%2B6LpHg%2BOMsPcY%2BEGzzCaHA%3D%3D%3A6v5iLIdBgW7ZCNz%2F%2FSOpmpFGH5r9tqZD=0f948c1abc41bcbf73a8fc168bb6c67f=927A5023A16A12500=BjctQUK1zW2Dr1rrrknVtmgqoPGnMdFDhWdTL9v5EoJH=1694209250>
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Re: Tim, Legacy's recommended Barley Twist cutter size guide.

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

 Those are pretty nice charts.  Nice reference material.
C.A.G.
On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 09:41:31 PM EDT, Tim Ziegler 
 wrote:  
 
 
Kind Regards,
Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & SpecialtyZiegler Laser Worx LLC14171 160th 
Ave.Foreston MN 56330
320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell

-- Forwarded message -
From: Legacy Woodworking Machinery 
Date: Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 4:41 PM
Subject: Tim, Legacy's recommended Barley Twist cutter size guide.
To: Tim Ziegler 



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Recently we demonstrated the Barley Twist router bits making single & multi 
start barley twists and hollow spirals.  If you have not seen those videos, 
jump over to Legacy's YouTube Channel.
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The main question that came from those videos is what size barley twist cutter 
should I buy?  Below, you can find a few recommendations to help you decide.  
Simply, choose how many spiral starts and the stock diameter, and the charts 
will recommend which cutter to use.  You can also use these formulas.




Determine Cutter Size For Single Start Barley Twist:

- Barley Twist Cutter Diameter = Diameter of Round Turned Stock




Determine Cutter Size For Multi Start Barley Twist:

- Barley Twist Cutter Diameter = 2 X Diameter of Stock / Number of Starts




Determine Cutter Size For Hollowing a Barley Twist:

- Long Straight Cutter Diameter = 25% X Barley Twist Cutter Diameter




You can order these cutters directly from Magnate at 1-800-827-2316



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Fwd: Tim, Legacy's recommended Barley Twist cutter size guide.

[Tim Ziegler]

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


-- Forwarded message -
From: Legacy Woodworking Machinery 
Date: Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 4:41 PM
Subject: Tim, Legacy's recommended Barley Twist cutter size guide.
To: Tim Ziegler 


Hi Tim,


Recently we demonstrated the Barley Twist router bits making single & multi
start barley twists and hollow spirals.  If you have not seen those videos,
jump over to Legacy's YouTube Channel
<https://legacywoodworking.lt.acemlnb.com/Prod/link-tracker?redirectUrl=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZ3d3cueW91dHViZS5jb20lMkZwbGF5bGlzdCUzRmxpc3QlM0RQTDlSS0k3SW51UEZ6M1lzSld2WkpMdjRkY3dJRmJkSTZT=%7C%7C252137679%7C%7C=legacywoodworking.activehosted.com=xQBhXehz7uR5uPA%2B3Xf1iLuwFy0M%2B6LpHg%2BOMsPcY%2BEGzzCaHA%3D%3D%3A6v5iLIdBgW7ZCNz%2F%2FSOpmpFGH5r9tqZD=0f948c1abc41bcbf73a8fc168bb6c67f=927A5023A16A12516=CjGBrAsEyDtixxwEWMQhE2AGAspq1kai4E8aFsFcJuD7=1694209250>
.
[image: Magnate Rope Molding Router Bits]

The main question that came from those videos is what size barley twist
cutter should I buy?  Below, you can find a few recommendations to help you
decide.  Simply, choose how many spiral starts and the stock diameter, and
the charts will recommend which cutter to use.  You can also use
these formulas.


Determine Cutter Size For Single Start Barley Twist:

- Barley Twist Cutter Diameter = Diameter of Round Turned Stock


Determine Cutter Size For Multi Start Barley Twist:

- Barley Twist Cutter Diameter = 2 X Diameter of Stock / Number of Starts


Determine Cutter Size For Hollowing a Barley Twist:

- Long Straight Cutter Diameter = 25% X Barley Twist Cutter Diameter


You can order these cutters directly from *Magnate at 1-800-827-2316*


Recommended Barley Twist Router Bit for 1 or 2 Start Spirals

Recommended Barley Twist Router Bit for Three Start Spirals

Recommended Straight Cutter for Hollow Spirals

Call 801491 0010 or visit out website to learn more about CNC woodworking
without limitations
www.lwmcnc.com
<https://legacywoodworking.lt.acemlnb.com/Prod/link-tracker?redirectUrl=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZ3d3cubHdtY25jLmNvbQ%3D%3D=%7C%7C252137679%7C%7C=legacywoodworking.activehosted.com=xQBhXehz7uR5uPA%2B3Xf1iLuwFy0M%2B6LpHg%2BOMsPcY%2BEGzzCaHA%3D%3D%3A6v5iLIdBgW7ZCNz%2F%2FSOpmpFGH5r9tqZD=0f948c1abc41bcbf73a8fc168bb6c67f=927A5023A16A12500=BjctQUK1zW2Dr1rrrknVtmgqoPGnMdFDhWdTL9v5EoJH=1694209250>
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Re: Tim, Making a Classic Barley Twist on a Legacy CNC

[Tim Ziegler]

But lots of the guys do more flat work and maybe a good reminder of what
they can really do is in store???
I think its great thought.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 10:57 PM  wrote:

> Yea I saw that one not sure why legacy is showing this simple stuff
>
> I would have thought all the cnc boys would already know this stuff
> already its like cnc 101 I would have thought
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 6, 2023 12:06 PM
> *To:* LOM Group 
> *Subject:* Fwd: Tim, Making a Classic Barley Twist on a Legacy CNC
>
>
>
> Here's another one guys.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
>
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
>
> 14171 160th Ave.
>
> Foreston MN 56330
>
>
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
>
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: *Legacy Woodworking Machinery* 
> Date: Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 5:27 PM
> Subject: Tim, Making a Classic Barley Twist on a Legacy CNC
> To: Tim Ziegler 
>
>
>
> Hi Tim,
>
>
> We're going to show the barley twist router bit in action. This
> video covers how to make classic barley twists using Legacy's CCAM software
> and Magnate's series of barley twist router bits.  Legacy developed both
> the router bit profiles and the software so you can easily go from a rough
> blank to a barley twist in minutes.
>
>
> <https://legacywoodworking.lt.acemlnb.com/Prod/link-tracker?redirectUrl=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZ5b3V0dS5iZSUyRlJXSjFIdERzY3pN=%7C%7C252137679%7C%7C=legacywoodworking.activehosted.com=qAV%2FjzakDal2SZvZpQbTyPYEJsLhHBi8Sfl%2BTHwl%2F56O0kg1sQ%3D%3D%3Ai3k3QnlXAvUO98De%2FSj%2FMOSS6fu4UtiF=0f948c1abc41bcbf73a8fc168bb6c67f=924A5010A3A12465=3znfPABCk9FcekcHUsdsPwYtJRka3xM8baFcXe4aYCJu=1693952844>
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> Watch The Video
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>
> [image: Magnate Rope Molding Router Bits]
>
> Magnate manufactures a series of rope molding router bits for the Legacy
> CNC.  The bits are made with high grade micrograin carbide.  You can
> purchase the bits directly from Magnate at www.magnate.net
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RE: Tim, Making a Classic Barley Twist on a Legacy CNC

[bulkeley]

Yea I saw that one not sure why legacy is showing this simple stuff

I would have thought all the cnc boys would already know this stuff already its 
like cnc 101 I would have thought

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2023 12:06 PM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Fwd: Tim, Making a Classic Barley Twist on a Legacy CNC

 

Here's another one guys. 




Kind Regards,

 

Timothy J. Ziegler

Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty

Ziegler Laser Worx LLC

14171 160th Ave.

Foreston MN 56330

 

320-294-5798 shop

320-630-2243 cell

 

-- Forwarded message -
From: Legacy Woodworking Machinery mailto:j...@legacywoodworking.com> >
Date: Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 5:27 PM
Subject: Tim, Making a Classic Barley Twist on a Legacy CNC
To: Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> >

 






  
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Hi Tim,


We're going to show the barley twist router bit in action. This video covers 
how to make classic barley twists using Legacy's CCAM software and Magnate's 
series of barley twist router bits.  Legacy developed both the router bit 
profiles and the software so you can easily go from a rough blank to a barley 
twist in minutes.






 
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Magnate manufactures a series of rope molding router bits for the Legacy CNC.  
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Re: Fwd: Tim, Making a Classic Barley Twist on a Legacy CNC

[Tim Ziegler]

Your welcome Mac,

Cool they are bringing all the things back that made the LOM popular in the
first place.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 9:15 PM M.W.Foscue  wrote:

> Tim.
>
> Thank you,
>
> VERY GOOD info.!
>
> Cheers!
>
> Mac
> --
> --
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> Sent: Sep 5, 2023 10:06 PM
> To: LOM Group 
> Subject: Fwd: Tim, Making a Classic Barley Twist on a Legacy CNC
>
>
> Here's another one guys.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 shop
> 320-630-2243 cell
>
>
> -- Forwarded message -----
> From: Legacy Woodworking Machinery 
> Date: Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 5:27 PM
> Subject: Tim, Making a Classic Barley Twist on a Legacy CNC
> To: Tim Ziegler 
>
>
>
>
> Hi Tim,
>
>
> We're going to show the barley twist router bit in action. This
> video covers how to make classic barley twists using Legacy's CCAM software
> and Magnate's series of barley twist router bits.  Legacy developed both
> the router bit profiles and the software so you can easily go from a rough
> blank to a barley twist in minutes.
>
>
> <https://legacywoodworking.lt.acemlnb.com/Prod/link-tracker?redirectUrl=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZ5b3V0dS5iZSUyRlJXSjFIdERzY3pN=%7C%7C252137679%7C%7C=legacywoodworking.activehosted.com=qAV%2FjzakDal2SZvZpQbTyPYEJsLhHBi8Sfl%2BTHwl%2F56O0kg1sQ%3D%3D%3Ai3k3QnlXAvUO98De%2FSj%2FMOSS6fu4UtiF=0f948c1abc41bcbf73a8fc168bb6c67f=924A5010A3A12465=3znfPABCk9FcekcHUsdsPwYtJRka3xM8baFcXe4aYCJu=1693952844>
>
> Watch The Video
> <https://legacywoodworking.lt.acemlnb.com/Prod/link-tracker?redirectUrl=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZ5b3V0dS5iZSUyRlJXSjFIdERzY3pN=%7C%7C252137679%7C%7C=legacywoodworking.activehosted.com=qAV%2FjzakDal2SZvZpQbTyPYEJsLhHBi8Sfl%2BTHwl%2F56O0kg1sQ%3D%3D%3Ai3k3QnlXAvUO98De%2FSj%2FMOSS6fu4UtiF=0f948c1abc41bcbf73a8fc168bb6c67f=924A5010A3A12465=3znfPABCk9FcekcHUsdsPwYtJRka3xM8baFcXe4aYCJu=1693952844>
>
> [image: Magnate Rope Molding Router Bits]
>
> Magnate manufactures a series of rope molding router bits for the Legacy
> CNC.  The bits are made with high grade micrograin carbide.  You can
> purchase the bits directly from Magnate at www.magnate.net
> <https://legacywoodworking.lt.acemlnb.com/Prod/link-tracker?redirectUrl=aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZ3d3cubWFnbmF0ZS5uZXQlMkZTZWFyY2hSZXN1bHRzLmFzcCUzRkNhdCUzRDExNg%3D%3D=%7C%7C252137679%7C%7C=legacywoodworking.activehosted.com=qAV%2FjzakDal2SZvZpQbTyPYEJsLhHBi8Sfl%2BTHwl%2F56O0kg1sQ%3D%3D%3Ai3k3QnlXAvUO98De%2FSj%2FMOSS6fu4UtiF=0f948c1abc41bcbf73a8fc168bb6c67f=924A5010A3A12466=GP93DKKgFVoM1KtkfLFdqj3ADG4Cyt8K2a8XvqqAqXis=1693952844>
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>
>
>
> Call 801491 0010 or visit out website to learn more about CNC woodworking
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Re: Fwd: Tim, Making a Classic Barley Twist on a Legacy CNC

[M.W.Foscue]

Tim.
Thank you, 
VERY GOOD info.!
Cheers!
Mac
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Sep 5, 2023 10:06 PM
To: LOM Group 
Subject: Fwd: Tim, Making a Classic Barley Twist on a Legacy CNC

Here's another one guys. Kind Regards, 
Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork  Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330
 
320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell





-- Forwarded message -
From: Legacy Woodworking Machinery mailto:j...@legacywoodworking.com)>
Date: Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 5:27 PM
Subject: Tim, Making a Classic Barley Twist on a Legacy CNC
To: Tim Ziegler mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com)>


 Hi Tim,

We're going to show the barley twist router bit in action. This video covers 
how to make classic barley twists using Legacy's CCAM software and Magnate's 
series of barley twist router bits.  Legacy developed both the router bit 
profiles and the software so you can easily go from a rough blank to a barley 
twist in minutes.
  
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Fwd: Tim, Making a Classic Barley Twist on a Legacy CNC

[Tim Ziegler]

Here's another one guys.

Kind Regards,

Timothy J. Ziegler
Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
Ziegler Laser Worx LLC
14171 160th Ave.
Foreston MN 56330

320-294-5798 shop
320-630-2243 cell


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From: Legacy Woodworking Machinery 
Date: Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 5:27 PM
Subject: Tim, Making a Classic Barley Twist on a Legacy CNC
To: Tim Ziegler 


Hi Tim,


We're going to show the barley twist router bit in action. This
video covers how to make classic barley twists using Legacy's CCAM software
and Magnate's series of barley twist router bits.  Legacy developed both
the router bit profiles and the software so you can easily go from a rough
blank to a barley twist in minutes.
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Watch The Video
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[image: Magnate Rope Molding Router Bits]

Magnate manufactures a series of rope molding router bits for the Legacy
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purchase the bits directly from Magnate at www.magnate.net
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Re: Barley Twist

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

Hello ArkadyThank you.  I will be keeping your Excel file with all my personal 
Legacy files. Your effort is appreciated. I Thank You !
C.A.G.  

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 5:51 AM, Arkady Paka <arkadyp...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
 

 Hello Curtis and all.I try to convert picture into Excel file with adding 
something (yellow).If there are mistakes please check and fix it.
ArkadyUkraine.
2018-02-18 8:07 GMT+02:00 MWF <mwfos...@earthlink.net>:

Curtis,
Thank you.
I appreciate the effort.
Mac

-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Feb 17, 2018 11:37 PM
To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@ googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: Barley Twist

Hello MacI will see if I can photo shop it.  When I blow it up (increase the 
size) I can read it.  I agree its hard to read.
More latter.
C.A.G. 

On Saturday, February 17, 2018 11:06 PM, MWF <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:
 

 Curtis,
Thanks for sharing what you have.
Trying to read the attachment/Gear Info Tables you had in your reply is giving 
me a headache.
Do you, or anyone else have a better (darker, more readable) copy of them?
I'm just hoping there is a more readable one out there.
Mac

-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Feb 17, 2018 3:44 PM
To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@ googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: Barley Twist

PatrickDon't sweat it ! ;-) step by step...  We are in for a FUN Ride here ! 
Its all part of the Legacy Band Wagon, And its all down hill form here ! ;-p
I hope you have no problems putting your machine together?  If you need any 
help Please let up know.C.A.G. 

On Saturday, February 17, 2018 2:52 PM, Patrick Salter 
<patsalte...@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 Wow, I haven’t even finished putting my legacy together and messages like this 
are already giving me a headache. LOL. Can’t wait to get started. 

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Re: Barley Twist

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

Hello MacI will see if I can photo shop it.  When I blow it up (increase the 
size) I can read it.  I agree its hard to read.
More latter.
C.A.G. 

On Saturday, February 17, 2018 11:06 PM, MWF <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:
 

 #yiv6732672064 #yiv6732672064 -- DIV {margin:0px;}#yiv6732672064 Curtis,
Thanks for sharing what you have.
Trying to read the attachment/Gear Info Tables you had in your reply is giving 
me a headache.
Do you, or anyone else have a better (darker, more readable) copy of them?
I'm just hoping there is a more readable one out there.
Mac

-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Sent: Feb 17, 2018 3:44 PM
To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com" 
Subject: Re: Barley Twist

PatrickDon't sweat it ! ;-) step by step...  We are in for a FUN Ride here ! 
Its all part of the Legacy Band Wagon, And its all down hill form here ! ;-p
I hope you have no problems putting your machine together?  If you need any 
help Please let up know.C.A.G. 

On Saturday, February 17, 2018 2:52 PM, Patrick Salter 
<patsalte...@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 Wow, I haven’t even finished putting my legacy together and messages like this 
are already giving me a headache. LOL. Can’t wait to get started. 

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Re: Barley Twist

[MWF]

Curtis,Thanks for sharing what you have.Trying to read the attachment/Gear Info Tables you had in your reply is giving me a headache.Do you, or anyone else have a better (darker, more readable) copy of them?I'm just hoping there is a more readable one out there.Mac-Original Message-
From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Feb 17, 2018 3:44 PM
To: "legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com" <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Barley Twist

PatrickDon't sweat it ! ;-) step by step...  We are in for a FUN Ride here ! Its all part of the Legacy Band Wagon, And its all down hill form here ! ;-pI hope you have no problems putting your machine together?  If you need any help Please let up know.C.A.G. On Saturday, February 17, 2018 2:52 PM, Patrick Salter <patsalte...@gmail.com> wrote:   Wow, I haven’t even finished putting my legacy together and messages like this are already giving me a headache. LOL. Can’t wait to get started. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. 



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Re: Barley Twist

['Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

PatrickDon't sweat it ! ;-) step by step...  We are in for a FUN Ride here ! 
Its all part of the Legacy Band Wagon, And its all down hill form here ! ;-p
I hope you have no problems putting your machine together?  If you need any 
help Please let up know.C.A.G. 

On Saturday, February 17, 2018 2:52 PM, Patrick Salter 
 wrote:
 

 Wow, I haven’t even finished putting my legacy together and messages like this 
are already giving me a headache. LOL. Can’t wait to get started. 

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Re: Barley Twist

[Richard Ellis]

Hi Tim
The letter "B" does not mean anything to me and I think it is going to be 
trial and error It is a one start pitch  required.
I have just read an old post on this forum dated 11/29/12 heading-- 
Ain' t life fun when the brain slows down??
Fun with numbers and gear sets
These are what gears I have
240-38 2x
180-120 .25
180-? .5
180-/ ?
Which do you think is "B" gear??
*I copied and pasted the  **Fun with Numbers and the Gear Sets *and since 
then I have larger print and can't seem to change it.
More problems to solve !!
Any way thanks for the quick reply.
Richard


On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 6:20:19 AM UTC, Tim wrote:
>
> With a little math you can solve this.
>
> Pitch = diameter of router bit X the number of starts.
>
> To get a 1.5" pitch you would need to use the .25 reduction set with the F 
> gear on the leadscrew.  If you don't have the reduction gear you could do a 
> two start twist with a 3" pitch  with the B gear on the leadscrew.
>
> Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r?b=12095> 
> On Feb 16, 2018, at 9:41 PM, Richard Ellis <rchrd@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>  I am in a muddle my brain won't work.
>> I have a buyer for my Woodchuck and he wants to do a BARLEY TWIST On a 2 
>> inch diam. 4 foot long bit of wood.
>> What tooth gears do I need for 1 1/2 inch cutter. i.e.
>>
>> Spindle gear tooth :A: and :B: ? Driving the next gear   ?? Teeth?
>> Leadscrew Gear teeth.?
>> Hope you can help
>> Thanks
>> Richard  (It's an age thing )
>>
>>

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Re: Barley Twist

[Tim Krause]

With a little math you can solve this.

Pitch = diameter of router bit X the number of starts.

To get a 1.5" pitch you would need to use the .25 reduction set with the F gear 
on the leadscrew.  If you don't have the reduction gear you could do a two 
start twist with a 3" pitch  with the B gear on the leadscrew.

⁣Sent from BlueMail ​

On Feb 16, 2018, 9:41 PM, at 9:41 PM, Richard Ellis <rchrd.ell...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
>Hi
> I am in a muddle my brain won't work.
>I have a buyer for my Woodchuck and he wants to do a BARLEY TWIST On a
>2 
>inch diam. 4 foot long bit of wood.
>What tooth gears do I need for 1 1/2 inch cutter. i.e.
>
>Spindle gear tooth :A: and :B: ? Driving the next gear   ?? Teeth?
>Leadscrew Gear teeth.?
>Hope you can help
>Thanks
>Richard  (It's an age thing )
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Re: Barley Twist

[Tim Krause]

Single start?

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On Feb 16, 2018, 9:41 PM, at 9:41 PM, Richard Ellis <rchrd.ell...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
>Hi
> I am in a muddle my brain won't work.
>I have a buyer for my Woodchuck and he wants to do a BARLEY TWIST On a
>2 
>inch diam. 4 foot long bit of wood.
>What tooth gears do I need for 1 1/2 inch cutter. i.e.
>
>Spindle gear tooth :A: and :B: ? Driving the next gear   ?? Teeth?
>Leadscrew Gear teeth.?
>Hope you can help
>Thanks
>Richard  (It's an age thing )
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Barley Twist

[Richard Ellis]

Hi
 I am in a muddle my brain won't work.
I have a buyer for my Woodchuck and he wants to do a BARLEY TWIST On a 2 
inch diam. 4 foot long bit of wood.
What tooth gears do I need for 1 1/2 inch cutter. i.e.

Spindle gear tooth :A: and :B: ? Driving the next gear   ?? Teeth?
Leadscrew Gear teeth.?
Hope you can help
Thanks
Richard  (It's an age thing )

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Re: A piece flew off my Barley twist!! What to do about it.

[Okla Mike (Liltwisted)]

I suggested it to them and they went the cheap route.  Looks much better 
with 2 directions.


Mike OK


On 7/24/2017 7:12 AM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills wrote:
excellent recovery!...looking at the client's drawing I am surprised 
they did not do a left and right twist...would have been twice the 
cost, but worth it in the long run, in my opinion...in doing 
restoration work, often see one direction twists...was it done for 
cost savings or just not thought of to do the opposite twist?...there 
is a barley twist machine out there that you can feed any length of 
round stock into it(no limit to the length), but it can only do one 
direction of twist and only two cuts(both done at the same 
time)...certainly cost efficient but very limited as to the number of 
cuts, the diameter and the design of the cut...I believe I have a 
photo somewhere, i'll try to find it and post



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Re: A piece flew off my Barley twist!! What to do about it.

['joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills]

excellent recovery!...looking at the client's drawing I am surprised they 
did not do a left and right twist...would have been twice the cost, but 
worth it in the long run, in my opinion...in doing restoration work, often 
see one direction twists...was it done for cost savings or just not thought 
of to do the opposite twist?...there is a barley twist machine out there 
that you can feed any length of round stock into it(no limit to the 
length), but it can only do one direction of twist and only two cuts(both 
done at the same time)...certainly cost efficient but very limited as to 
the number of cuts, the diameter and the design of the cut...I believe I 
have a photo somewhere, i'll try to find it and post


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Re: A piece flew off my Barley twist!! What to do about it.

[Arkady Paka]

Very very nice job and save Mike!!!

2017-07-23 3:08 GMT+03:00 :

> What a great save!  It's a good thing you know how to do woodworking as
> opposed to the client.  I guess I would have offered to supply the
> materials myself just to avoid the problems of someone not knowing what you
> were going to have to do to that wood.  He made your job three times as
> hard for you.
>
> DRF
>
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 11:58:36 PM UTC-7, LILtwisted wrote:
>>
>> It all started with the customer sending me a picture in a text.  I sent
>> him a quote and heard nothing.
>>
>>
>> 4 months later he said it's a go, and he said he would glue the material
>> together.  I told him to make sure there was paper in between the halves so
>> it would be an easy split after milling.  I usually use a thick paper like
>> what is found in a brown grocery bag but enter problem number 1, he used
>> printer paper.  Then it was size time.  I drew a little bit on the chalk
>> board with some real numbers and set off to make it happen.
>>
>> I started by rounding off the stock.  Then with a 3 in classical bit to
>> make a rim to meet the square ends and then decided on a 3 inch Barley with
>> 3 starts on a 9 inch pitch.  All was going well until I heard POWWW!
>>
>> Yup, instead of gluing the entire surface of each board, they used a
>> zig-zag drizzle and hoped the clamps would squeeze it around.  Didn't work
>> and now I have pieces flying off this thing.
>>
>> So I started Super Gluing the cracks and made a pattern by pressing a
>> piece of paper onto the flat left behind by the mishap.
>>
>> Then transferred it onto a board, cut it out, fit it and then glued it.
>>
>> Then back to work on the Barley and then finish off with the classical
>> bit to clean off the other side of the glued on piece.
>>
>> Next I trimmed the ends with a straight bit as far as I could and ended
>> up looking like this.
>>
>> Then the fun part, busting it open with a shingle hatchet!
>>
>> You can see the poor glue coverage in the seam.  In this case it helped
>> me.  If it was glued solid, the thinner paper used would have caused too
>> much resistance and it may have started to pull some wood apart.  Luck for
>> me, it was a crappy glue job.
>>
>> Now we have to cut the ends off without touching the outer edge with the
>> band saw.  If you put a screw on the flat side, it will hold the wood at an
>> angle.  I don't like to change the table angle to do this because I have
>> the saw at 90º perfect and don't want to re-adjust it.
>>
>> This will hold the stock on enough of an angle to cut the plug and not
>> mar the outer edge.
>>
>> Here is the finish product.  Notice all the super glue was milled away.
>> After about 20 min of sanding and running the back paper off through a
>> joiner, they are finished.  The blocked ends will be added at the job site.
>>
>> So don't worry if things start going south.  Glue pieces back on if you
>> can or make new pieces and re-mill them.  It's only a mistake if you quit
>> before you fix it.  You just got to get better at fixing little issues.
>> Oh, and I'm not going to trust their glue joints anymore.  LOL
>>
>> Mike OK
>>
>>
>>
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Re: A piece flew off my Barley twist!! What to do about it.

[info]

What a great save!  It's a good thing you know how to do woodworking as 
opposed to the client.  I guess I would have offered to supply the 
materials myself just to avoid the problems of someone not knowing what you 
were going to have to do to that wood.  He made your job three times as 
hard for you.

DRF

On Friday, July 21, 2017 at 11:58:36 PM UTC-7, LILtwisted wrote:
>
> It all started with the customer sending me a picture in a text.  I sent 
> him a quote and heard nothing.
>
>
> 4 months later he said it's a go, and he said he would glue the material 
> together.  I told him to make sure there was paper in between the halves so 
> it would be an easy split after milling.  I usually use a thick paper like 
> what is found in a brown grocery bag but enter problem number 1, he used 
> printer paper.  Then it was size time.  I drew a little bit on the chalk 
> board with some real numbers and set off to make it happen.
>
> I started by rounding off the stock.  Then with a 3 in classical bit to 
> make a rim to meet the square ends and then decided on a 3 inch Barley with 
> 3 starts on a 9 inch pitch.  All was going well until I heard POWWW!
>
> Yup, instead of gluing the entire surface of each board, they used a 
> zig-zag drizzle and hoped the clamps would squeeze it around.  Didn't work 
> and now I have pieces flying off this thing.
>
> So I started Super Gluing the cracks and made a pattern by pressing a 
> piece of paper onto the flat left behind by the mishap.
>
> Then transferred it onto a board, cut it out, fit it and then glued it.
>
> Then back to work on the Barley and then finish off with the classical bit 
> to clean off the other side of the glued on piece.
>
> Next I trimmed the ends with a straight bit as far as I could and ended up 
> looking like this.
>
> Then the fun part, busting it open with a shingle hatchet!
>
> You can see the poor glue coverage in the seam.  In this case it helped 
> me.  If it was glued solid, the thinner paper used would have caused too 
> much resistance and it may have started to pull some wood apart.  Luck for 
> me, it was a crappy glue job.
>
> Now we have to cut the ends off without touching the outer edge with the 
> band saw.  If you put a screw on the flat side, it will hold the wood at an 
> angle.  I don't like to change the table angle to do this because I have 
> the saw at 90º perfect and don't want to re-adjust it.  
>
> This will hold the stock on enough of an angle to cut the plug and not mar 
> the outer edge.  
>
> Here is the finish product.  Notice all the super glue was milled away.  
> After about 20 min of sanding and running the back paper off through a 
> joiner, they are finished.  The blocked ends will be added at the job site.
>
> So don't worry if things start going south.  Glue pieces back on if you 
> can or make new pieces and re-mill them.  It's only a mistake if you quit 
> before you fix it.  You just got to get better at fixing little issues.  
> Oh, and I'm not going to trust their glue joints anymore.  LOL
>
> Mike OK
>
>
>
>

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Barley twist vs. Rope twist and Architectural Turnings information

[Emmanuel Peluchon]

I found this site VERY interesting in many aspects included simple concept 
clearely explained:
http://architectural-wood-turnings.com/2009/03/02/barley-twist-vs-rope-twist/

Kim Vedros is a woodworker from Louisiana. He has two web sites: Architectural 
Turnings and Architectural Wood Designs.

He also uses a very nice CNC lathe called WEMA Joker 7000 CNC...
Probably when I get tired of hand turning one day and replace my LOM 1800!
http://www.pelletpressen.it/e/downloads/dr-wema-joker7000cnc.pdf

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barley twist newel posts

[Bill Bulkeley]

http://lumberjocks.com/projects/84497

 

nice work here 

 

Bill

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RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

[Roger Phebey]

Hi guys

Are you trying to give me a complex over my small garden.. 

 

My large plot is 44 feet by 92 feet, this was the additional plot of land we 
purchased as the builder was unable to get planning permission for an 
additional bungalow that he wanted to build. Our main property plot measures 83 
feet by 50 feet. My definition, for my garden, including both plots would be a 
medium size. On our previous property we had 1/3 acre and that was considered 
large, it could have been yours last year for just over $1,030,000.00. To think 
that 52 years ago we bought our first bungalow for about $6,000.00 only problem 
is that you have to get on the property ladder first of all and that now starts 
around $300,000.00 in the UK for a small property.

 

Whilst the house sold for a lot last year we paid a lot for the new one and in 
relative terms we have very little in the bank to show for it. The legal costs, 
the new workshop and all the new furniture, curtains, carpets etc. soon make 
the difference you thought you would put in the bank quickly disappears. It 
appears to go faster than any previous move.

 

I have to add that I live in the more expensive South of England and property 
prices are slightly lower further north or down the  South West around where 
the Legacy Widow lives, but she does have excellent scenery in that part of the 
country.

 

Regards
Roger

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bulkeley
Sent: 31 March 2016 04:46
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Here down under land in a city is like a ¼ acre out side a city a small plot of 
land might be 5 to 30 acres a large would be 500 or 800 acres.

But in the outback is a totally different thing a piece of land there is like 
50 to 200 square miles .

Bill

 

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legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [ 
<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MWF
Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2016 12:25 PM
To:  <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Roger,

Just curious - in England/Great Britain, what is the definition of "a large 
plot of land"?  
For a home in the suburbs of a large city in the USA, a "large piece of land" 
might be 2 to 5 acres.
In an area outside of a smaller city (or a bit further out around a large city, 
it might be defined as 5 to 12 acres?
And moving a bit further away from the city in the above two examples, that 
Large piece might be 12 to 25 acres.

The above "definitions" are merely my own - not something I have ever seen 
published.  I live about 25 minutes outside of Washington, DC.  So my 
perspective may be skewed some by where I live.  In any case, if any of ya'll 
in the USA have any input regarding a "large piece of land" where you live, 
please give us your thoughts.

It should be interesting to see how this definition plays out in different 
parts of both the USA as well as the world.  Aussieman, we look forward to 
hearing from you.  And if there is anyone living in Japan, Korea, Germany, 
Ukraine, or Siberia, your input will be appreciated as well.

Thanks.
Mac

  _  

  _  

 

-Original Message- 
From: Roger Phebey 
Sent: Mar 30, 2016 5:42 PM 
To:  <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo 



Hi Curt

When I moved house in May last year to a new property I had no garage or 
workshop and a large plot of land that was uncultivated.  I purchased a 
workshop and have spent the last few months gardening so the idea I could build 
my own “Legacy” is not on my agenda or my wife’s.

 

I will keep on looking for a Model 900 with Rotary Table or a REVO at a 
realistic price. In the meantime I will keep watching this group and put my two 
cents in from time to time .

 

Cheers

Roger

 

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legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [ 
<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE
Sent: 30 March 2016 03:43
To:  <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> 
legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Hello Roger.

I don't want to get off track on this massage, but Why don't you make your own 
machine, Im sure you could come up with the parts. and at the very least Im 
sure Legacy would sell you what you cant dig up your self.  Things like the 
headstock and gears would be the hardest 

RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

[Michael Kratky]

Roger has it about right, I live 1 ½ hours from any major metropolitan area in 
the Southern Adirondack region of New York with 16 acres and 500’ of lake front 
on the Great Sacandaga Lake, taxes are crazy high here, but that’s why I still 
work full time at age 67.

 

Michael Kratky 

 

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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bulkeley
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 11:46 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Here down under land in a city is like a ¼ acre out side a city a small plot of 
land might be 5 to 30 acres a large would be 500 or 800 acres.

But in the outback is a totally different thing a piece of land there is like 
50 to 200 square miles .

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MWF
Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2016 12:25 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Roger,

Just curious - in England/Great Britain, what is the definition of "a large 
plot of land"?  
For a home in the suburbs of a large city in the USA, a "large piece of land" 
might be 2 to 5 acres.
In an area outside of a smaller city (or a bit further out around a large city, 
it might be defined as 5 to 12 acres?
And moving a bit further away from the city in the above two examples, that 
Large piece might be 12 to 25 acres.

The above "definitions" are merely my own - not something I have ever seen 
published.  I live about 25 minutes outside of Washington, DC.  So my 
perspective may be skewed some by where I live.  In any case, if any of ya'll 
in the USA have any input regarding a "large piece of land" where you live, 
please give us your thoughts.

It should be interesting to see how this definition plays out in different 
parts of both the USA as well as the world.  Aussieman, we look forward to 
hearing from you.  And if there is anyone living in Japan, Korea, Germany, 
Ukraine, or Siberia, your input will be appreciated as well.

Thanks.
Mac

  _  

  _  

 

-Original Message- 
From: Roger Phebey 
Sent: Mar 30, 2016 5:42 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo 



Hi Curt

When I moved house in May last year to a new property I had no garage or 
workshop and a large plot of land that was uncultivated.  I purchased a 
workshop and have spent the last few months gardening so the idea I could build 
my own “Legacy” is not on my agenda or my wife’s.

 

I will keep on looking for a Model 900 with Rotary Table or a REVO at a 
realistic price. In the meantime I will keep watching this group and put my two 
cents in from time to time .

 

Cheers

Roger

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE
Sent: 30 March 2016 03:43
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Hello Roger.

I don't want to get off track on this massage, but Why don't you make your own 
machine, Im sure you could come up with the parts. and at the very least Im 
sure Legacy would sell you what you cant dig up your self.  Things like the 
headstock and gears would be the hardest parts to come up with.  knowing you 
,everything else you could make with out much problems. Come on Roger, get back 
into the game. No One ever said you had to play using all the same rules. 

;-)

( think of it like this , You drive on the wrong side of the street, In 
England, but you still drive to where you want to go. So why not play by your 
own rules, and make your own unit ? Roger's Legacy.) 

C.A.G.

 


  _  


From: "Roger Phebey" <rhp...@gmail.com>
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:05:59 AM
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

An interesting video and how I wish I had a manual Legacy machine, why did I 
sell them all?

Cheers

Roger

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE
Sent: 29 March 2016 13:59
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Impressive! I can see this guy use's  his Legacy . (I'm keeping this one for my 
files. Thanks Bill.)  

 

C.A.G.

 


  _  


From: "Bill Bulkeley" <bulke...@mmnet.com.au>
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 2:32:40 AM
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Very pretty, that guy does make very nice candle sticks here is his web page

http://www.andurildes

RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

[Bill Bulkeley]

Here down under land in a city is like a ¼ acre out side a city a small plot of 
land might be 5 to 30 acres a large would be 500 or 800 acres.

But in the outback is a totally different thing a piece of land there is like 
50 to 200 square miles .

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MWF
Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2016 12:25 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Roger,

Just curious - in England/Great Britain, what is the definition of "a large 
plot of land"?  
For a home in the suburbs of a large city in the USA, a "large piece of land" 
might be 2 to 5 acres.
In an area outside of a smaller city (or a bit further out around a large city, 
it might be defined as 5 to 12 acres?
And moving a bit further away from the city in the above two examples, that 
Large piece might be 12 to 25 acres.

The above "definitions" are merely my own - not something I have ever seen 
published.  I live about 25 minutes outside of Washington, DC.  So my 
perspective may be skewed some by where I live.  In any case, if any of ya'll 
in the USA have any input regarding a "large piece of land" where you live, 
please give us your thoughts.

It should be interesting to see how this definition plays out in different 
parts of both the USA as well as the world.  Aussieman, we look forward to 
hearing from you.  And if there is anyone living in Japan, Korea, Germany, 
Ukraine, or Siberia, your input will be appreciated as well.

Thanks.
Mac

  _  

  _  

 

-Original Message- 
From: Roger Phebey 
Sent: Mar 30, 2016 5:42 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo 




Hi Curt

When I moved house in May last year to a new property I had no garage or 
workshop and a large plot of land that was uncultivated.  I purchased a 
workshop and have spent the last few months gardening so the idea I could build 
my own “Legacy” is not on my agenda or my wife’s.

 

I will keep on looking for a Model 900 with Rotary Table or a REVO at a 
realistic price. In the meantime I will keep watching this group and put my two 
cents in from time to time .

 

Cheers

Roger

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE
Sent: 30 March 2016 03:43
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Hello Roger.

I don't want to get off track on this massage, but Why don't you make your own 
machine, Im sure you could come up with the parts. and at the very least Im 
sure Legacy would sell you what you cant dig up your self.  Things like the 
headstock and gears would be the hardest parts to come up with.  knowing you 
,everything else you could make with out much problems. Come on Roger, get back 
into the game. No One ever said you had to play using all the same rules. 

;-)

( think of it like this , You drive on the wrong side of the street, In 
England, but you still drive to where you want to go. So why not play by your 
own rules, and make your own unit ? Roger's Legacy.) 

C.A.G.

 


  _  


From: "Roger Phebey" <rhp...@gmail.com>
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:05:59 AM
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

An interesting video and how I wish I had a manual Legacy machine, why did I 
sell them all?

Cheers

Roger

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE
Sent: 29 March 2016 13:59
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Impressive! I can see this guy use's  his Legacy . (I'm keeping this one for my 
files. Thanks Bill.)  

 

C.A.G.

 


  _  


From: "Bill Bulkeley" <bulke...@mmnet.com.au>
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 2:32:40 AM
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Very pretty, that guy does make very nice candle sticks here is his web page

http://www.andurildesigns.com/#!candlesticks/c1q9i

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE
Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2016 3:27 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

That's some Pretty wood! 

C.A.G.

 


  _  


From: "Bill Bulkeley" <bulke...@mmnet.com.au>
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 10:21:25 PM
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled

Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

[Harvey Matyas]

In Greendale WI, a large area may be an acre or 2.
I think in my sub division that I have the biggest yard at 1/3 acre.

In the City of Milwaukee, a normal yard 120 yards by 80 yards (don't quote
me on this).

Harvey

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 8:24 PM, MWF <mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Roger,
>
> Just curious - in England/Great Britain, what is the definition of "a
> large plot of land"?
> For a home in the suburbs of a large city in the USA, a "large piece of
> land" might be 2 to 5 acres.
> In an area outside of a smaller city (or a bit further out around a large
> city, it might be defined as 5 to 12 acres?
> And moving a bit further away from the city in the above two examples,
> that Large piece might be 12 to 25 acres.
>
> The above "definitions" are merely my own - not something I have ever seen
> published.  I live about 25 minutes outside of Washington, DC.  So my
> perspective may be skewed some by where I live.  In any case, if any of
> ya'll in the USA have any input regarding a "large piece of land" where you
> live, please give us your thoughts.
>
> It should be interesting to see how this definition plays out in different
> parts of both the USA as well as the world.  Aussieman, we look forward to
> hearing from you.  And if there is anyone living in Japan, Korea, Germany,
> Ukraine, or Siberia, your input will be appreciated as well.
>
> Thanks.
> Mac
> --
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Roger Phebey
> Sent: Mar 30, 2016 5:42 PM
> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo
>
> Hi Curt
>
> When I moved house in May last year to a new property I had no garage or
> workshop and a large plot of land that was uncultivated.  I purchased a
> workshop and have spent the last few months gardening so the idea I could
> build my own “Legacy” is not on my agenda or my wife’s.
>
>
>
> I will keep on looking for a Model 900 with Rotary Table or a REVO at a
> realistic price. In the meantime I will keep watching this group and put my
> two cents in from time to time .
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Roger
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *CURTIS GEORGE
> *Sent:* 30 March 2016 03:43
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo
>
>
>
> Hello Roger.
>
> I don't want to get off track on this massage, but Why don't you make your
> own machine, Im sure you could come up with the parts. and at the very
> least Im sure Legacy would sell you what you cant dig up your self.  Things
> like the headstock and gears would be the hardest parts to come up with.
> knowing you ,everything else you could make with out much problems. Come on
> Roger, get back into the game. No One ever said you had to play using all
> the same rules.
>
> ;-)
>
> ( think of it like this , You drive on the wrong side of the street, In
> England, but you still drive to where you want to go. So why not play by
> your own rules, and make your own unit ? Roger's Legacy.)
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Roger Phebey" <rhp...@gmail.com>
> *To: *legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:05:59 AM
> *Subject: *RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo
>
>
>
> An interesting video and how I wish I had a manual Legacy machine, why did
> I sell them all?
>
> Cheers
>
> Roger
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [
> mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>] *On Behalf Of *CURTIS GEORGE
> *Sent:* 29 March 2016 13:59
> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo
>
>
>
> Impressive! I can see this guy use's  his Legacy . (I'm keeping this one
> for my files. Thanks Bill.)
>
>
>
> C.A.G.
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Bill Bulkeley" <bulke...@mmnet.com.au>
> *To: *legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 29, 2016 2:32:40 AM
> *Subject: *RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo
>
>
>
> Very pretty, that guy does make very nice candle sticks here is his web
> page
>
> http://www.andurildesigns.com/#!candlesticks/c1q9i
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups

RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

[MWF]

Roger,Just curious - in England/Great Britain, what is the definition of "a large plot of land"?  For a home in the suburbs of a large city in the USA, a "large piece of land" might be 2 to 5 acres.In an area outside of a smaller city (or a bit further out around a large city, it might be defined as 5 to 12 acres?And moving a bit further away from the city in the above two examples, that Large piece might be 12 to 25 acres.The above "definitions" are merely my own - not something I have ever seen published.  I live about 25 minutes outside of Washington, DC.  So my perspective may be skewed some by where I live.  In any case, if any of ya'll in the USA have any input regarding a "large piece of land" where you live, please give us your thoughts.It should be interesting to see how this definition plays out in different parts of both the USA as well as the world.  Aussieman, we look forward to hearing from you.  And if there is anyone living in Japan, Korea, Germany, Ukraine, or Siberia, your input will be appreciated as well.Thanks.Mac -Original Message-
From: Roger Phebey <rhp...@gmail.com>
Sent: Mar 30, 2016 5:42 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

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<zzz![endif]-->Hi CurtWhen I moved house in May last year to a new property I had no garage or workshop and a large plot of land that was uncultivated.  I purchased a workshop and have spent the last few months gardening so the idea I could build my own “Legacy” is not on my agenda or my wife’s. I will keep on looking for a Model 900 with Rotary Table or a REVO at a realistic price. In the meantime I will keep watching this group and put my two cents in from time to time .  CheersRoger From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGESent: 30 March 2016 03:43To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo Hello Roger.I don't want to get off track on this massage, but Why don't you make your own machine, Im sure you could come up with the parts. and at the very least Im sure Legacy would sell you what you cant dig up your self.  Things like the headstock and gears would be the hardest parts to come up with.  knowing you ,everything else you could make with out much problems. Come on Roger, get back into the game. No One ever said you had to play using all the same rules. ;-)( think of it like this , You drive on the wrong side of the street, In England, but you still drive to where you want to go. So why not play by your own rules, and make your own unit ? Roger's Legacy.) C.A.G. From: "Roger Phebey" <rhp...@gmail.com>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:05:59 AMSubject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo An interesting video and how I wish I had a manual Legacy machine, why did I sell them all?CheersRoger From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGESent: 29 March 2016 13:59To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo Impressive! I can see this guy use's  his Legacy . (I'm keeping this one for my files. Thanks Bill.)   C.A.G. From: "Bill Bulkeley" <bulke...@mmnet.com.au>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 2:32:40 AMSubject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo Very pretty, that guy does make very nice candle sticks here is his web pagehttp://www.andurildesigns.com/#!candlesticks/c1q9i Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGESent: Tuesday, 29 March 2016 3:27 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo That's some Pretty wood! C.A.G. From: "Bill Bulkeley" <bulke...@mmnet.com.au>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSent: Monday, March 28, 2016 10:21:25 PMSubject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo Great find I like it I missed that one I search regularly on YouTube  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKBM8siXkz8here is another from the same guyBill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Louis BrownSent: Tuesday, 29 March 2016 3:42 AMTo: Legacy Ornamental MillsSubject: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo FYI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQyHkxZqp4=youtu.be

RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

[Roger Phebey]

Hi Curt

When I moved house in May last year to a new property I had no garage or 
workshop and a large plot of land that was uncultivated.  I purchased a 
workshop and have spent the last few months gardening so the idea I could build 
my own “Legacy” is not on my agenda or my wife’s.

 

I will keep on looking for a Model 900 with Rotary Table or a REVO at a 
realistic price. In the meantime I will keep watching this group and put my two 
cents in from time to time .

 

Cheers

Roger

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE
Sent: 30 March 2016 03:43
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Hello Roger.

I don't want to get off track on this massage, but Why don't you make your own 
machine, Im sure you could come up with the parts. and at the very least Im 
sure Legacy would sell you what you cant dig up your self.  Things like the 
headstock and gears would be the hardest parts to come up with.  knowing you 
,everything else you could make with out much problems. Come on Roger, get back 
into the game. No One ever said you had to play using all the same rules. 

;-)

( think of it like this , You drive on the wrong side of the street, In 
England, but you still drive to where you want to go. So why not play by your 
own rules, and make your own unit ? Roger's Legacy.) 

C.A.G.

 

  _  

From: "Roger Phebey" <rhp...@gmail.com <mailto:rhp...@gmail.com> >
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:05:59 AM
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

An interesting video and how I wish I had a manual Legacy machine, why did I 
sell them all?

Cheers

Roger

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE
Sent: 29 March 2016 13:59
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Impressive! I can see this guy use's  his Legacy . (I'm keeping this one for my 
files. Thanks Bill.)  

 

C.A.G.

 

  _  

From: "Bill Bulkeley" <bulke...@mmnet.com.au <mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> >
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 2:32:40 AM
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Very pretty, that guy does make very nice candle sticks here is his web page

http://www.andurildesigns.com/#!candlesticks/c1q9i

 

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE
Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2016 3:27 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

That's some Pretty wood! 

C.A.G.

 

  _  

From: "Bill Bulkeley" <bulke...@mmnet.com.au <mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> >
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 10:21:25 PM
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Great find I like it I missed that one I search regularly on YouTube  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKBM8siXkz8

here is another from the same guy

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Louis Brown
Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2016 3:42 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
Subject: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

FYI



 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQyHkxZqp4 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQyHkxZqp4=youtu.be> =youtu.be

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Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

[CURTIS GEORGE]

thanks Bill 
I am planing to make a video on the wave attachment, as well as some of the 
other modification that have been used with the Legacy over the years, to make 
the OM work better. 
But please dont hold your breath on this one. I can shoot the video. but the 
guy who is editing the clips, is one of the best on the market, (slower than 
snail , But you get what you pay for. and he is doing it for FREE. ) ;-p 
Have a GREAT Day. 
C.A.G. 
- Original Message -

From: "Bill Bulkeley" <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 4:05:29 AM 
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo 



I got a reply from him so i praised our group also sent him a picture of tims 
wave attachment and said he could make his own to add something new to his 
candle sticks maybe that will help bring him to us seems a very nice man nice 
people belong here with us nice people 

Bill 






From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Wednesday, 30 March 2016 1:46 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo 





Good thinking ! 


Thanks Bill. 


C.A.G. 



- Original Message -



From: "Bill Bulkeley" <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:01:36 PM 
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo 





I sent this guy an invite to our group hopefully he might come 



Bill 




From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kratky 
Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2016 11:45 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo 




Nice candle sticks, I should say so….WOW. 



Mike 




From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bulkeley 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 2:33 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
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Very pretty, that guy does make very nice candle sticks here is his web page 

http://www.andurildesigns.com/#!candlesticks/c1q9i 



Bill 




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That's some Pretty wood! 


C.A.G. 






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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 10:21:25 PM 
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo 





Great find I like it I missed that one I search regularly on YouTube 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKBM8siXkz8 

here is another from the same guy 

Bill 




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FYI 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQyHkxZqp4=youtu.be 


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RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

[Bill Bulkeley]

I got a reply from him so i praised our group also sent him a picture of tims 
wave attachment and said he could make his own to add something new to his 
candle sticks maybe that will help bring him to us seems a very nice man nice 
people belong here with us nice people

Bill 

 

 

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Good thinking !

Thanks Bill.

C.A.G.

 

  _  

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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:01:36 PM
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

I sent this guy an invite to our group hopefully he might come

 

Bill

 

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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Nice candle sticks, I should say so….WOW.

 

Mike

 

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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bulkeley
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 2:33 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Very pretty, that guy does make very nice candle sticks here is his web page

http://www.andurildesigns.com/#!candlesticks/c1q9i

 

Bill

 

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Subject: Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

That's some Pretty wood! 

C.A.G.

 

  _  

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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 10:21:25 PM
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Great find I like it I missed that one I search regularly on YouTube  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKBM8siXkz8

here is another from the same guy

Bill

 

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Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2016 3:42 AM
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Subject: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

FYI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQyHkxZqp4 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQyHkxZqp4=youtu.be> =youtu.be

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Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

[CURTIS GEORGE]

Good thinking ! 
Thanks Bill. 
C.A.G. 

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From: "Bill Bulkeley" <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 8:01:36 PM 
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo 



I sent this guy an invite to our group hopefully he might come 

  

Bill 

  


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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Kratky 
Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2016 11:45 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo 


  

Nice candle sticks, I should say so….WOW. 

  

Mike 

  


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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bulkeley 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 2:33 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo 


  

Very pretty, that guy does make very nice candle sticks here is his web page 

http://www.andurildesigns.com/#!candlesticks/c1q9i 

  

Bill 

  


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Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2016 3:27 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo 


  


That's some Pretty wood!  


C.A.G. 


  



From: "Bill Bulkeley" < bulke...@mmnet.com.au > 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 10:21:25 PM 
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo 


  


Great find I like it I missed that one I search regularly on YouTube   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKBM8siXkz8 

here is another from the same guy 

Bill 

  


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Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2016 3:42 AM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo 


  


FYI 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQyHkxZqp4=youtu.be 


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Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

[CURTIS GEORGE]

Hello Roger. 
I don't want to get off track on this massage, but Why don't you make your own 
machine, Im sure you could come up with the parts. and at the very least Im 
sure Legacy would sell you what you cant dig up your self.  Things like the 
headstock and gears would be the hardest parts to come up with.  knowing you 
,everything else you could make with out much problems. Come on Roger, get back 
into the game. No One ever said you had to play using all the same rules. 
;-) 
( think of it like this , You drive on the wrong side of the street, In 
England, but you still drive to where you want to go. So why not play by your 
own rules, and make your own unit ? Roger's Legacy.)  
C.A.G. 

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From: "Roger Phebey" <rhp...@gmail.com> 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:05:59 AM 
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo 



An interesting video and how I wish I had a manual Legacy machine, why did I 
sell them all? 

Cheers 

Roger 

  


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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: 29 March 2016 13:59 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo 


  


Impressive! I can see this guy use's  his Legacy . (I'm keeping this one for my 
files. Thanks Bill.)   


  


C.A.G. 


  
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From: "Bill Bulkeley" < bulke...@mmnet.com.au > 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 2:32:40 AM 
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo 


  


Very pretty, that guy does make very nice candle sticks here is his web page 

http://www.andurildesigns.com/#!candlesticks/c1q9i 

  

Bill 

  


From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [ 
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE 
Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2016 3:27 PM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo 


  


That's some Pretty wood!  


C.A.G. 


  



From: "Bill Bulkeley" < bulke...@mmnet.com.au > 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 10:21:25 PM 
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo 


  


Great find I like it I missed that one I search regularly on YouTube   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKBM8siXkz8 

here is another from the same guy 

Bill 

  


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Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2016 3:42 AM 
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
Subject: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo 


  


FYI 



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQyHkxZqp4=youtu.be 


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RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

[Bill Bulkeley]

I sent this guy an invite to our group hopefully he might come

 

Bill

 

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Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2016 11:45 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Nice candle sticks, I should say so….WOW.

 

Mike

 

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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bulkeley
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 2:33 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Very pretty, that guy does make very nice candle sticks here is his web page

http://www.andurildesigns.com/#!candlesticks/c1q9i

 

Bill

 

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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE
Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2016 3:27 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

That's some Pretty wood! 

C.A.G.

 

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From: "Bill Bulkeley" <bulke...@mmnet.com.au>
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 10:21:25 PM
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Great find I like it I missed that one I search regularly on YouTube  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKBM8siXkz8

here is another from the same guy

Bill

 

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Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2016 3:42 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
Subject: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

FYI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQyHkxZqp4 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQyHkxZqp4=youtu.be> =youtu.be

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RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

[MWF]

Scroll thru the pages that this link takes you to.http://www.andurildesigns.com/#!the-woodshop/c1rpoWhat an artisan he is!  I think it is Curtis (?) that says it best - something to the effect of:  "It is not the machine - rather the person that makes the "artwork"."Enjoy.Mac-Original Message-
From: Roger Phebey <rhp...@gmail.com>
Sent: Mar 29, 2016 9:05 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

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<zzz![endif]-->An interesting video and how I wish I had a manual Legacy machine, why did I sell them all?CheersRoger From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGESent: 29 March 2016 13:59To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo Impressive! I can see this guy use's  his Legacy . (I'm keeping this one for my files. Thanks Bill.)   C.A.G. From: "Bill Bulkeley" <bulke...@mmnet.com.au>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 2:32:40 AMSubject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo Very pretty, that guy does make very nice candle sticks here is his web pagehttp://www.andurildesigns.com/#!candlesticks/c1q9i Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGESent: Tuesday, 29 March 2016 3:27 PMTo: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo That's some Pretty wood! C.A.G. From: "Bill Bulkeley" <bulke...@mmnet.com.au>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSent: Monday, March 28, 2016 10:21:25 PMSubject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo Great find I like it I missed that one I search regularly on YouTube  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKBM8siXkz8here is another from the same guyBill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Louis BrownSent: Tuesday, 29 March 2016 3:42 AMTo: Legacy Ornamental MillsSubject: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo FYIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQyHkxZqp4=youtu.be








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RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

[Roger Phebey]

An interesting video and how I wish I had a manual Legacy machine, why did I 
sell them all?

Cheers

Roger

 

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Impressive! I can see this guy use's  his Legacy . (I'm keeping this one for my 
files. Thanks Bill.)  

 

C.A.G.

 

  _  

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Very pretty, that guy does make very nice candle sticks here is his web page

http://www.andurildesigns.com/#!candlesticks/c1q9i

 

Bill

 

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That's some Pretty wood! 

C.A.G.

 

  _  

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Great find I like it I missed that one I search regularly on YouTube  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKBM8siXkz8

here is another from the same guy

Bill

 

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Subject: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

FYI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQyHkxZqp4 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQyHkxZqp4=youtu.be> =youtu.be

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Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

[CURTIS GEORGE]

Impressive! I can see this guy use's his Legacy . (I'm keeping this one for my 
files. Thanks Bill.) 

C.A.G. 

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Very pretty, that guy does make very nice candle sticks here is his web page 

http://www.andurildesigns.com/#!candlesticks/c1q9i 



Bill 




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That's some Pretty wood! 


C.A.G. 



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Great find I like it I missed that one I search regularly on YouTube 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKBM8siXkz8 

here is another from the same guy 

Bill 




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FYI 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQyHkxZqp4=youtu.be 


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RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

[Michael Kratky]

Nice candle sticks, I should say so….WOW.

 

Mike

 

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Very pretty, that guy does make very nice candle sticks here is his web page

http://www.andurildesigns.com/#!candlesticks/c1q9i

 

Bill

 

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That's some Pretty wood! 

C.A.G.

 

  _  

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Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 10:21:25 PM
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Great find I like it I missed that one I search regularly on YouTube  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKBM8siXkz8

here is another from the same guy

Bill

 

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Subject: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

FYI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQyHkxZqp4 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQyHkxZqp4=youtu.be> =youtu.be

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RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

[Bill Bulkeley]

Very pretty, that guy does make very nice candle sticks here is his web page

http://www.andurildesigns.com/#!candlesticks/c1q9i

 

Bill

 

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That's some Pretty wood! 

C.A.G.

 

  _  

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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 10:21:25 PM
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

Great find I like it I missed that one I search regularly on YouTube  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKBM8siXkz8

here is another from the same guy

Bill

 

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Subject: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

 

FYI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQyHkxZqp4 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQyHkxZqp4=youtu.be> =youtu.be

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Re: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

[CURTIS GEORGE]

That's some Pretty wood! 
C.A.G. 

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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 10:21:25 PM 
Subject: RE: Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo 



Great find I like it I missed that one I search regularly on YouTube 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKBM8siXkz8 

here is another from the same guy 

Bill 




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FYI 

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Youtube Video of Barley Twist Being Milled on Legacy Revo

[Louis Brown]

FYI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITQyHkxZqp4=youtu.be

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Re: Barley twist on pens

[jwb764]

Well Tim your not as Lazy as I am, I won't bother looking up the tube diameter, 
I will just measure the ones I have.  I am not sure if I am being lazy, or if I 
just don't trust other people when it comes to damaging a tool (Router Bit, Pen 
Tube, or Mandrel)

Jeff Becker


 jwb...@windstream.net wrote: 
 Setting the depth of a pen for a barley twist can be simple, you mount  the 
 tubes on the mandrel with no wood present in the machine, you lower the bit 
 to the tube the raise it a safe amount and set a stop, you will then use that 
 stop as the lowest point to turn the wood.
 
 With you having cad software you can draw the part on the computer and save 
 some time, if you have a z axis up grade
 
 
 Jeff Becker
 
 
 
  Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net wrote: 
  Why would I need a sacrificial pen mandrel?  Do you think the pen would be 
  too large of a diameter if you went the full depth of the barley twist bit? 
  I really have not worked out the details which I asked if it had been done. 
  
  -Tim
  
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To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Cc: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens
  
  
I made lots and lots of rope twist pens for my son's Boy Scout Troop as a 
  fundraiser, we sold them at a local Art  Craft fair. The higher priced 
  ones, $30, sold the quickest, these had fancier parts/exotic wood, the 
  regular ones sold for $20.  I like your idea Tim for a barley twist, I've 
  considered it, seems you would need a sacrificial pen mandrel. perhaps 
  brass rod.  
  
On Thursday, April 10, 2014 1:50:56 AM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
  Hey Bill, 
  
  A long time ago you said magnate did not make a small enough barley bit 
  to do pens.  I see a 7557 bit  that has a 3/4 diameter and a cutting depth 
  of 3/32.  That should work for a pen.  Has any one tried a single or a 
  double start barley twist on a pen?
  
  -Tim
  
  
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Re: Barley twist on pens

[Tim Krause]

Why would I need a sacrificial pen mandrel?  Do you think the pen would be too 
large of a diameter if you went the full depth of the barley twist bit? I 
really have not worked out the details which I asked if it had been done. 

-Tim

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  Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 7:44 PM
  Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens


  I made lots and lots of rope twist pens for my son's Boy Scout Troop as a 
fundraiser, we sold them at a local Art  Craft fair. The higher priced ones, 
$30, sold the quickest, these had fancier parts/exotic wood, the regular ones 
sold for $20.  I like your idea Tim for a barley twist, I've considered it, 
seems you would need a sacrificial pen mandrel. perhaps brass rod.  

  On Thursday, April 10, 2014 1:50:56 AM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
Hey Bill, 

A long time ago you said magnate did not make a small enough barley bit to 
do pens.  I see a 7557 bit  that has a 3/4 diameter and a cutting depth of 
3/32.  That should work for a pen.  Has any one tried a single or a double 
start barley twist on a pen?

-Tim


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Barley twist on pens

[Tim Krause]

Hey Bill, 

A long time ago you said magnate did not make a small enough barley bit to do 
pens.  I see a 7557 bit  that has a 3/4 diameter and a cutting depth of 3/32.  
That should work for a pen.  Has any one tried a single or a double start 
barley twist on a pen?

-Tim

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RE: Barley twist on pens

[Bill Bulkeley]

Yea me lol I hand ground the little1/2 rope bit when I chipped it and did a
single start barley

I didn't like it much a single start with the rope bit looked better 

I also did a pineapple pattern too it looked ok. I can't post pics sorry it
was pre fire

But I wanted the 1/2  barley for small spirals not on pens and for smaller
multi start spirals

 

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Sent: Thursday, 10 April 2014 4:51 PM
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Barley twist on pens

 

Hey Bill, 

 

A long time ago you said magnate did not make a small enough barley bit to
do pens.  I see a 7557 bit  that has a 3/4 diameter and a cutting depth of
3/32.  That should work for a pen.  Has any one tried a single or a double
start barley twist on a pen?

 

-Tim

 

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Re: Barley twist on pens

[Cole Andrews]

I tried the ropr twist pen and did not like it . Very uncomfortable pen for me.

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
 Yea me lol I hand ground the little1/2 rope bit when I chipped it and did a
 single start barley

 I didn't like it much a single start with the rope bit looked better

 I also did a pineapple pattern too it looked ok. I can't post pics sorry it
 was pre fire

 But I wanted the 1/2  barley for small spirals not on pens and for smaller
 multi start spirals



 From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Krause
 Sent: Thursday, 10 April 2014 4:51 PM
 To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Barley twist on pens



 Hey Bill,



 A long time ago you said magnate did not make a small enough barley bit to
 do pens.  I see a 7557 bit  that has a 3/4 diameter and a cutting depth of
 3/32.  That should work for a pen.  Has any one tried a single or a double
 start barley twist on a pen?



 -Tim



 

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Re: Barley twist on pens

[Tim Krause]

Hi Cole and Bill,

I don't like the looks of the triple roped pen myself.  I think I like the
idea of a double roped so it forms a little bead wrapped around the pen. I
wonder why I don't see more polygon shaped pens with a dash of tear-drop
flutes or super tiny reeds.  Jerry Beal came out with the Pen Wizard three
or so years ago and yet I don't see non-round pens anywhere.  One could
argue the tool costs too much but I see it as pennies for what it can do.
Isn't that why we bought our machines?  Based on dreams and what we can do,
but what we DO in the end is a different story :-)

I once read in a pen makers forum that the twisted pens where not that
successful compared to standard pens.  I never got to see any example of the
pens and that was just a coupe sellers opinions.  I wondered how they where
presented. Here's a little story from my life of selling treenware.

I made 50 units of a product that generally sells for $25 - $30 all day long
using my legacy and not one of them where round.  I sold them for $35 or
more on ebay and they where selling as I produced them.  Now granted I have
a name in the trinket field which helped, but I sold them with the idea that
it's not the shape that you see that any turner makes.  Mine are original,
one of a kind, and limited availability.   So I don't know if it was my
name, the pitch, or simply the fact they where different, but I do know they
left my door with a %100 percent guarantee and none ever came back.

Moral of the story, if you're in the craft field you do have educate the
customer and as I call it, Sell the Story.  It means more cash per unit
but often less sales because the price point is higher.  It beats making
widgets at a quarter a piece, but I'll admit to making widgets to pay the
bills as well.  Those too can be lucrative.

I still wonder if a single or double start Barley pen has ever been made and
how it feels.

-Tim



- Original Message - 
From: Cole Andrews coleandrew...@gmail.com
To: Legacy group legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens


 I tried the ropr twist pen and did not like it . Very uncomfortable pen
for me.

 On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au
wrote:
  Yea me lol I hand ground the little1/2 rope bit when I chipped it and
did a
  single start barley
 
  I didn't like it much a single start with the rope bit looked better
 
  I also did a pineapple pattern too it looked ok. I can't post pics sorry
it
  was pre fire
 
  But I wanted the 1/2  barley for small spirals not on pens and for
smaller
  multi start spirals
 
 
 
  From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
  [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Krause
  Sent: Thursday, 10 April 2014 4:51 PM
  To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Barley twist on pens
 
 
 
  Hey Bill,
 
 
 
  A long time ago you said magnate did not make a small enough barley bit
to
  do pens.  I see a 7557 bit  that has a 3/4 diameter and a cutting depth
of
  3/32.  That should work for a pen.  Has any one tried a single or a
double
  start barley twist on a pen?
 
 
 
  -Tim
 
 
 
  
 
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Re: Barley twist on pens

[CURTIS GEORGE]

Hello everyone, 
On the Beall web site/ fourm. YoYospin (Jarry) comented a while back, the 
Biggest problem that most owners make, (when using his machine.) is that they 
cut to deep on there details, which makes the pens uncomfortable to hold. 
Perhaps this rope cutting on the pens falls into this category ? 
Now what I think would be neat, would be to cut the pen blanks (rope or 
reed...) and then find a way to build up the finish so that the cut doesn't 
feel funny. 
I mean (Just an idea.) could you turn a pen and then set that turning back into 
a clear epoxy? so that the wood would be inside a clear and smooth finish? 
I know for my self. I like a smooth and thin pen, as well as pencil, I do not 
like the feel of odd shape or edges, in which hurt my fingers after a long use. 
Now Im no expert on this, but even when I see a fine made pen, it will be love 
at first touch or it just will not happen at all for me. So far Ive not made 
any pens that feel like what I want. but...? But who know, perhaps some kind of 
ergo dynamic pen just might be out there for me? but it would be, just my luck 
that I find one that I like, and it would be one of the ugliest pens ever made. 
;-p 
I wish you guys the best of luck on this topic. Hopefully you all can get some 
nice pens turned and then Post the pictures, here. I would love to see them. 
;-) 


C.A.G. 

- Original Message -
Hi Cole and Bill, 

I don't like the looks of the triple roped pen myself. I think I like the 
idea of a double roped so it forms a little bead wrapped around the pen. I 
wonder why I don't see more polygon shaped pens with a dash of tear-drop 
flutes or super tiny reeds. Jerry Beal came out with the Pen Wizard three 
or so years ago and yet I don't see non-round pens anywhere. One could 
argue the tool costs too much but I see it as pennies for what it can do. 
Isn't that why we bought our machines? Based on dreams and what we can do, 
but what we DO in the end is a different story :-) 

I once read in a pen makers forum that the twisted pens where not that 
successful compared to standard pens. I never got to see any example of the 
pens and that was just a coupe sellers opinions. I wondered how they where 
presented. Here's a little story from my life of selling treenware. 

I made 50 units of a product that generally sells for $25 - $30 all day long 
using my legacy and not one of them where round. I sold them for $35 or 
more on ebay and they where selling as I produced them. Now granted I have 
a name in the trinket field which helped, but I sold them with the idea that 
it's not the shape that you see that any turner makes. Mine are original, 
one of a kind, and limited availability. So I don't know if it was my 
name, the pitch, or simply the fact they where different, but I do know they 
left my door with a %100 percent guarantee and none ever came back. 

Moral of the story, if you're in the craft field you do have educate the 
customer and as I call it, Sell the Story. It means more cash per unit 
but often less sales because the price point is higher. It beats making 
widgets at a quarter a piece, but I'll admit to making widgets to pay the 
bills as well. Those too can be lucrative. 

I still wonder if a single or double start Barley pen has ever been made and 
how it feels. 

-Tim 



- Original Message - 
From: Cole Andrews coleandrew...@gmail.com 
To: Legacy group legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:24 PM 
Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens 


 I tried the ropr twist pen and did not like it . Very uncomfortable pen 
for me. 
 
 On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
wrote: 
  Yea me lol I hand ground the little1/2 rope bit when I chipped it and 
did a 
  single start barley 
  
  I didn't like it much a single start with the rope bit looked better 
  
  I also did a pineapple pattern too it looked ok. I can't post pics sorry 
it 
  was pre fire 
  
  But I wanted the 1/2  barley for small spirals not on pens and for 
smaller 
  multi start spirals 
  
  
  
  From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim 
Krause 
  Sent: Thursday, 10 April 2014 4:51 PM 
  To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Barley twist on pens 
  
  
  
  Hey Bill, 
  
  
  
  A long time ago you said magnate did not make a small enough barley bit 
to 
  do pens. I see a 7557 bit that has a 3/4 diameter and a cutting depth 
of 
  3/32. That should work for a pen. Has any one tried a single or a 
double 
  start barley twist on a pen? 
  
  
  
  -Tim 
  
  
  
   
  
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RE: Barley twist on pens

[Bill Bulkeley]

You might be on to something curt cut the spiral then fill it with clear 
acrylic then turn it round again that way you can see the spiral but it still 
feels smooth

Bill

 

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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE
Sent: Friday, 11 April 2014 8:43 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens

 

Hello everyone,

On the Beall web site/ fourm. YoYospin (Jarry) comented a while back, the 
Biggest problem that most owners make, (when using his machine.) is that they 
cut to deep on there details, which makes the pens uncomfortable  to hold. 
Perhaps this rope cutting on the pens falls into this category ?

Now what I think would be neat, would be to cut the pen blanks (rope or 
reed...) and then find a way to build up the finish so that the cut doesn't 
feel funny.

I mean (Just an idea.) could you turn a pen and then set that turning back into 
a clear epoxy? so that the wood would be inside a clear and smooth finish?

I know for my self. I like a smooth and thin pen, as well as pencil, I do not 
like the feel of odd shape or edges, in which hurt my fingers after a long use. 
 

Now Im no expert on this, but even when I see a fine made pen, it will be love 
at first touch or it just will not happen at all for me. So far Ive not made 
any pens that feel like what I want. but...? But who know, perhaps some kind of 
ergo dynamic pen just might be out there for me? but it would be, just my luck 
that I find one that I like, and it would be one of the ugliest pens ever made. 
;-p

I wish you guys the best of luck on this topic. Hopefully you all can get some 
nice pens turned and then Post the pictures, here. I would love to see them.  
;-)

 

C.A.G.

  _  

Hi Cole and Bill,

I don't like the looks of the triple roped pen myself.  I think I like the
idea of a double roped so it forms a little bead wrapped around the pen. I
wonder why I don't see more polygon shaped pens with a dash of tear-drop
flutes or super tiny reeds.  Jerry Beal came out with the Pen Wizard three
or so years ago and yet I don't see non-round pens anywhere.  One could
argue the tool costs too much but I see it as pennies for what it can do.
Isn't that why we bought our machines?  Based on dreams and what we can do,
but what we DO in the end is a different story :-)

I once read in a pen makers forum that the twisted pens where not that
successful compared to standard pens.  I never got to see any example of the
pens and that was just a coupe sellers opinions.  I wondered how they where
presented. Here's a little story from my life of selling treenware.

I made 50 units of a product that generally sells for $25 - $30 all day long
using my legacy and not one of them where round.  I sold them for $35 or
more on ebay and they where selling as I produced them.  Now granted I have
a name in the trinket field which helped, but I sold them with the idea that
it's not the shape that you see that any turner makes.  Mine are original,
one of a kind, and limited availability.   So I don't know if it was my
name, the pitch, or simply the fact they where different, but I do know they
left my door with a %100 percent guarantee and none ever came back.

Moral of the story, if you're in the craft field you do have educate the
customer and as I call it, Sell the Story.  It means more cash per unit
but often less sales because the price point is higher.  It beats making
widgets at a quarter a piece, but I'll admit to making widgets to pay the
bills as well.  Those too can be lucrative.

I still wonder if a single or double start Barley pen has ever been made and
how it feels.

-Tim



- Original Message - 
From: Cole Andrews coleandrew...@gmail.com
To: Legacy group legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens


 I tried the ropr twist pen and did not like it . Very uncomfortable pen
for me.

 On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au
wrote:
  Yea me lol I hand ground the little1/2 rope bit when I chipped it and
did a
  single start barley
 
  I didn't like it much a single start with the rope bit looked better
 
  I also did a pineapple pattern too it looked ok. I can't post pics sorry
it
  was pre fire
 
  But I wanted the 1/2  barley for small spirals not on pens and for
smaller
  multi start spirals
 
 
 
  From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
  [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Krause
  Sent: Thursday, 10 April 2014 4:51 PM
  To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Barley twist on pens
 
 
 
  Hey Bill,
 
 
 
  A long time ago you said magnate did not make a small enough barley bit
to
  do pens.  I see a 7557 bit  that has a 3/4 diameter and a cutting depth
of
  3/32.  That should work for a pen.  Has any one tried a single or a
double
  start barley twist on a pen

Re: Barley twist on pens

[Tim Krause]

Very inspiring post.  Reminds me of the work Barry Gross was working with 
(probably still is) that he would place stickers, decals gears etc on the 
central tube and use a clear two part polymer to clear cast the blocks.   This 
would be really something different.  

Regarding large diameter pens, some day you might appreciate them when you hand 
grip is no longer what it use to be :-)  Still a great post Curt. 

Thank You!

-Tim

  - Original Message - 
  From: CURTIS GEORGE 
  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:43 PM
  Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens


  Hello everyone,
  On the Beall web site/ fourm. YoYospin (Jarry) comented a while back, the 
Biggest problem that most owners make, (when using his machine.) is that they 
cut to deep on there details, which makes the pens uncomfortable  to hold. 
Perhaps this rope cutting on the pens falls into this category ?
  Now what I think would be neat, would be to cut the pen blanks (rope or 
reed...) and then find a way to build up the finish so that the cut doesn't 
feel funny.
  I mean (Just an idea.) could you turn a pen and then set that turning back 
into a clear epoxy? so that the wood would be inside a clear and smooth finish?
  I know for my self. I like a smooth and thin pen, as well as pencil, I do not 
like the feel of odd shape or edges, in which hurt my fingers after a long use. 
 
  Now Im no expert on this, but even when I see a fine made pen, it will be 
love at first touch or it just will not happen at all for me. So far Ive not 
made any pens that feel like what I want. but...? But who know, perhaps some 
kind of ergo dynamic pen just might be out there for me? but it would be, just 
my luck that I find one that I like, and it would be one of the ugliest pens 
ever made. ;-p
  I wish you guys the best of luck on this topic. Hopefully you all can get 
some nice pens turned and then Post the pictures, here. I would love to see 
them.  ;-)


  C.A.G.


--
  Hi Cole and Bill,

  I don't like the looks of the triple roped pen myself.  I think I like the
  idea of a double roped so it forms a little bead wrapped around the pen. I
  wonder why I don't see more polygon shaped pens with a dash of tear-drop
  flutes or super tiny reeds.  Jerry Beal came out with the Pen Wizard three
  or so years ago and yet I don't see non-round pens anywhere.  One could
  argue the tool costs too much but I see it as pennies for what it can do.
  Isn't that why we bought our machines?  Based on dreams and what we can do,
  but what we DO in the end is a different story :-)

  I once read in a pen makers forum that the twisted pens where not that
  successful compared to standard pens.  I never got to see any example of the
  pens and that was just a coupe sellers opinions.  I wondered how they where
  presented. Here's a little story from my life of selling treenware.

  I made 50 units of a product that generally sells for $25 - $30 all day long
  using my legacy and not one of them where round.  I sold them for $35 or
  more on ebay and they where selling as I produced them.  Now granted I have
  a name in the trinket field which helped, but I sold them with the idea that
  it's not the shape that you see that any turner makes.  Mine are original,
  one of a kind, and limited availability.   So I don't know if it was my
  name, the pitch, or simply the fact they where different, but I do know they
  left my door with a %100 percent guarantee and none ever came back.

  Moral of the story, if you're in the craft field you do have educate the
  customer and as I call it, Sell the Story.  It means more cash per unit
  but often less sales because the price point is higher.  It beats making
  widgets at a quarter a piece, but I'll admit to making widgets to pay the
  bills as well.  Those too can be lucrative.

  I still wonder if a single or double start Barley pen has ever been made and
  how it feels.

  -Tim



  - Original Message - 
  From: Cole Andrews coleandrew...@gmail.com
  To: Legacy group legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:24 PM
  Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens


   I tried the ropr twist pen and did not like it . Very uncomfortable pen
  for me.
  
   On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au
  wrote:
Yea me lol I hand ground the little1/2 rope bit when I chipped it and
  did a
single start barley
   
I didn't like it much a single start with the rope bit looked better
   
I also did a pineapple pattern too it looked ok. I can't post pics sorry
  it
was pre fire
   
But I wanted the 1/2  barley for small spirals not on pens and for
  smaller
multi start spirals
   
   
   
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim
  Krause
Sent

Re: Barley twist on pens

[Tim Krause]

I'm not a pen maker :-)  I do have my model 200 sitting around with an
unlimited range of gears available to me.  What I don't have is any of the
templates that came with the machine nor do I know what they look like, nor
the interest to go out to the shop and figure it out, or buy some templates
that are still available from a few supplies left!  I've got to be
challenged before I do anything with wood these days.  There, I said it, I
have not turned for a long time!!!  Spring is coming and I need to get this
behavior turned around!  Like the shoe company says, Just Do It!

The rope and pineapple trick sounds cool.

-Tim




- Original Message - 
From: Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 Pens can be made on a 900 why don't you have a go at a few Tim
 Another idea i was going to try but didn't get around to it was to do a
rope
 and a pineapple but only do a very shallow cut and make the patterns with
 just the point of the bit so there are many options to try
 Bill


 -Original Message-
 From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Krause
 Sent: Friday, 11 April 2014 8:00 AM
 To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens

 Hi Cole and Bill,

 I don't like the looks of the triple roped pen myself.  I think I like the
 idea of a double roped so it forms a little bead wrapped around the pen. I
 wonder why I don't see more polygon shaped pens with a dash of tear-drop
 flutes or super tiny reeds.  Jerry Beal came out with the Pen Wizard three
 or so years ago and yet I don't see non-round pens anywhere.  One could
 argue the tool costs too much but I see it as pennies for what it can do.
 Isn't that why we bought our machines?  Based on dreams and what we can
do,
 but what we DO in the end is a different story :-)

 I once read in a pen makers forum that the twisted pens where not that
 successful compared to standard pens.  I never got to see any example of
the
 pens and that was just a coupe sellers opinions.  I wondered how they
where
 presented. Here's a little story from my life of selling treenware.

 I made 50 units of a product that generally sells for $25 - $30 all day
long
 using my legacy and not one of them where round.  I sold them for $35 or
 more on ebay and they where selling as I produced them.  Now granted I
have
 a name in the trinket field which helped, but I sold them with the idea
that
 it's not the shape that you see that any turner makes.  Mine are original,
 one of a kind, and limited availability.   So I don't know if it was my
 name, the pitch, or simply the fact they where different, but I do know
they
 left my door with a %100 percent guarantee and none ever came back.

 Moral of the story, if you're in the craft field you do have educate the
 customer and as I call it, Sell the Story.  It means more cash per unit
 but often less sales because the price point is higher.  It beats making
 widgets at a quarter a piece, but I'll admit to making widgets to pay the
 bills as well.  Those too can be lucrative.

 I still wonder if a single or double start Barley pen has ever been made
and
 how it feels.

 -Tim



 - Original Message -
 From: Cole Andrews coleandrew...@gmail.com
 To: Legacy group legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:24 PM
 Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens


  I tried the ropr twist pen and did not like it . Very uncomfortable pen
 for me.
 
  On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au
 wrote:
   Yea me lol I hand ground the little1/2 rope bit when I chipped it and
 did a
   single start barley
  
   I didn't like it much a single start with the rope bit looked better
  
   I also did a pineapple pattern too it looked ok. I can't post pics
sorry
 it
   was pre fire
  
   But I wanted the 1/2  barley for small spirals not on pens and for
 smaller
   multi start spirals
  
  
  
   From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
   [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim
 Krause
   Sent: Thursday, 10 April 2014 4:51 PM
   To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com
   Subject: Barley twist on pens
  
  
  
   Hey Bill,
  
  
  
   A long time ago you said magnate did not make a small enough barley
bit
 to
   do pens.  I see a 7557 bit  that has a 3/4 diameter and a cutting
depth
 of
   3/32.  That should work for a pen.  Has any one tried a single or a
 double
   start barley twist on a pen?
  
  
  
   -Tim
  
  
  
   
  
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Re: Barley twist on pens

[Roger P]

Hi Tim
Time for more education (private joke between Tim and me), what Barry Gross 
demonstrated was decoupage!  This video is a Penn State Industries one, it may 
be Barry doing the commentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoQ-nuDipUo

Legacy pen demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoQ-nuDipUo if your interested.
Regards
Euro Roger

From: Tim Krause 
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 12:05 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens

Very inspiring post.  Reminds me of the work Barry Gross was working with 
(probably still is) that he would place stickers, decals gears etc on the 
central tube and use a clear two part polymer to clear cast the blocks.   This 
would be really something different.  

Regarding large diameter pens, some day you might appreciate them when you hand 
grip is no longer what it use to be :-)  Still a great post Curt. 

Thank You!

-Tim

  - Original Message - 
  From: CURTIS GEORGE 
  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:43 PM
  Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens

  Hello everyone, 
  On the Beall web site/ fourm. YoYospin (Jarry) comented a while back, the 
Biggest problem that most owners make, (when using his machine.) is that they 
cut to deep on there details, which makes the pens uncomfortable  to hold. 
Perhaps this rope cutting on the pens falls into this category ?
  Now what I think would be neat, would be to cut the pen blanks (rope or 
reed...) and then find a way to build up the finish so that the cut doesn't 
feel funny.
  I mean (Just an idea.) could you turn a pen and then set that turning back 
into a clear epoxy? so that the wood would be inside a clear and smooth finish?
  I know for my self. I like a smooth and thin pen, as well as pencil, I do not 
like the feel of odd shape or edges, in which hurt my fingers after a long use. 
 
  Now Im no expert on this, but even when I see a fine made pen, it will be 
love at first touch or it just will not happen at all for me. So far Ive not 
made any pens that feel like what I want. but...? But who know, perhaps some 
kind of ergo dynamic pen just might be out there for me? but it would be, just 
my luck that I find one that I like, and it would be one of the ugliest pens 
ever made. ;-p
  I wish you guys the best of luck on this topic. Hopefully you all can get 
some nice pens turned and then Post the pictures, here. I would love to see 
them.  ;-)

  C.A.G.


--
  Hi Cole and Bill,

  I don't like the looks of the triple roped pen myself.  I think I like the
  idea of a double roped so it forms a little bead wrapped around the pen. I
  wonder why I don't see more polygon shaped pens with a dash of tear-drop
  flutes or super tiny reeds.  Jerry Beal came out with the Pen Wizard three
  or so years ago and yet I don't see non-round pens anywhere.  One could
  argue the tool costs too much but I see it as pennies for what it can do.
  Isn't that why we bought our machines?  Based on dreams and what we can do,
  but what we DO in the end is a different story :-)

  I once read in a pen makers forum that the twisted pens where not that
  successful compared to standard pens.  I never got to see any example of the
  pens and that was just a coupe sellers opinions.  I wondered how they where
  presented. Here's a little story from my life of selling treenware.

  I made 50 units of a product that generally sells for $25 - $30 all day long
  using my legacy and not one of them where round.  I sold them for $35 or
  more on ebay and they where selling as I produced them.  Now granted I have
  a name in the trinket field which helped, but I sold them with the idea that
  it's not the shape that you see that any turner makes.  Mine are original,
  one of a kind, and limited availability.   So I don't know if it was my
  name, the pitch, or simply the fact they where different, but I do know they
  left my door with a %100 percent guarantee and none ever came back.

  Moral of the story, if you're in the craft field you do have educate the
  customer and as I call it, Sell the Story.  It means more cash per unit
  but often less sales because the price point is higher.  It beats making
  widgets at a quarter a piece, but I'll admit to making widgets to pay the
  bills as well.  Those too can be lucrative.

  I still wonder if a single or double start Barley pen has ever been made and
  how it feels.

  -Tim



  - Original Message - 
  From: Cole Andrews coleandrew...@gmail.com
  To: Legacy group legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:24 PM
  Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens


   I tried the ropr twist pen and did not like it . Very uncomfortable pen
  for me.
  
   On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au
  wrote:
Yea me lol I hand ground the little1/2 rope bit when I chipped it and
  did

RE: Barley twist on pens

[Bill Bulkeley]

Way to go tim a nice simple pen or 2 might just be the way to ease back in
to the ornamental mill work again
Bill

-Original Message-
From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Krause
Sent: Friday, 11 April 2014 9:13 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens

I'm not a pen maker :-)  I do have my model 200 sitting around with an
unlimited range of gears available to me.  What I don't have is any of the
templates that came with the machine nor do I know what they look like, nor
the interest to go out to the shop and figure it out, or buy some templates
that are still available from a few supplies left!  I've got to be
challenged before I do anything with wood these days.  There, I said it, I
have not turned for a long time!!!  Spring is coming and I need to get this
behavior turned around!  Like the shoe company says, Just Do It!

The rope and pineapple trick sounds cool.

-Tim




- Original Message -
From: Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 Pens can be made on a 900 why don't you have a go at a few Tim Another 
 idea i was going to try but didn't get around to it was to do a
rope
 and a pineapple but only do a very shallow cut and make the patterns 
 with just the point of the bit so there are many options to try Bill


 -Original Message-
 From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim 
 Krause
 Sent: Friday, 11 April 2014 8:00 AM
 To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens

 Hi Cole and Bill,

 I don't like the looks of the triple roped pen myself.  I think I like 
 the idea of a double roped so it forms a little bead wrapped around 
 the pen. I wonder why I don't see more polygon shaped pens with a dash 
 of tear-drop flutes or super tiny reeds.  Jerry Beal came out with the 
 Pen Wizard three or so years ago and yet I don't see non-round pens 
 anywhere.  One could argue the tool costs too much but I see it as pennies
for what it can do.
 Isn't that why we bought our machines?  Based on dreams and what we 
 can
do,
 but what we DO in the end is a different story :-)

 I once read in a pen makers forum that the twisted pens where not that 
 successful compared to standard pens.  I never got to see any example 
 of
the
 pens and that was just a coupe sellers opinions.  I wondered how they
where
 presented. Here's a little story from my life of selling treenware.

 I made 50 units of a product that generally sells for $25 - $30 all 
 day
long
 using my legacy and not one of them where round.  I sold them for $35 
 or more on ebay and they where selling as I produced them.  Now 
 granted I
have
 a name in the trinket field which helped, but I sold them with the 
 idea
that
 it's not the shape that you see that any turner makes.  Mine are original,
 one of a kind, and limited availability.   So I don't know if it was my
 name, the pitch, or simply the fact they where different, but I do 
 know
they
 left my door with a %100 percent guarantee and none ever came back.

 Moral of the story, if you're in the craft field you do have educate 
 the customer and as I call it, Sell the Story.  It means more cash 
 per unit but often less sales because the price point is higher.  It 
 beats making widgets at a quarter a piece, but I'll admit to making 
 widgets to pay the bills as well.  Those too can be lucrative.

 I still wonder if a single or double start Barley pen has ever been 
 made
and
 how it feels.

 -Tim



 - Original Message -
 From: Cole Andrews coleandrew...@gmail.com
 To: Legacy group legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:24 PM
 Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens


  I tried the ropr twist pen and did not like it . Very uncomfortable 
  pen
 for me.
 
  On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 3:03 AM, Bill Bulkeley 
  bulke...@mmnet.com.au
 wrote:
   Yea me lol I hand ground the little1/2 rope bit when I chipped it 
   and
 did a
   single start barley
  
   I didn't like it much a single start with the rope bit looked 
   better
  
   I also did a pineapple pattern too it looked ok. I can't post pics
sorry
 it
   was pre fire
  
   But I wanted the 1/2  barley for small spirals not on pens and 
   for
 smaller
   multi start spirals
  
  
  
   From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
   [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim
 Krause
   Sent: Thursday, 10 April 2014 4:51 PM
   To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com
   Subject: Barley twist on pens
  
  
  
   Hey Bill,
  
  
  
   A long time ago you said magnate did not make a small enough 
   barley
bit
 to
   do pens.  I see a 7557 bit  that has a 3/4 diameter and a cutting
depth
 of
   3/32.  That should work for a pen.  Has any one tried a single or 
   a
 double
   start barley twist on a pen

RE: Barley twist on pens

[Bill Bulkeley]

Roger you have 2 short cuts to the same video the legacy one

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger P
Sent: Friday, 11 April 2014 9:13 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens

 

Hi Tim

Time for more education (private joke between Tim and me), what Barry Gross 
demonstrated was decoupage!  This video is a Penn State Industries one, it may 
be Barry doing the commentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoQ-nuDipUo

 

Legacy pen demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoQ-nuDipUo if your interested.

Regards
Euro Roger

 

From: Tim Krause mailto:artmarb...@comcast.net  

Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 12:05 AM

To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens

 

Very inspiring post.  Reminds me of the work Barry Gross was working with 
(probably still is) that he would place stickers, decals gears etc on the 
central tube and use a clear two part polymer to clear cast the blocks.   This 
would be really something different.  

 

Regarding large diameter pens, some day you might appreciate them when you hand 
grip is no longer what it use to be :-)  Still a great post Curt. 

 

Thank You!

 

-Tim

 

- Original Message - 

From: CURTIS GEORGE mailto:curtgeo...@wowway.com  

To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:43 PM

Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens

 

Hello everyone, 

On the Beall web site/ fourm. YoYospin (Jarry) comented a while back, the 
Biggest problem that most owners make, (when using his machine.) is that they 
cut to deep on there details, which makes the pens uncomfortable  to hold. 
Perhaps this rope cutting on the pens falls into this category ?

Now what I think would be neat, would be to cut the pen blanks (rope or 
reed...) and then find a way to build up the finish so that the cut doesn't 
feel funny.

I mean (Just an idea.) could you turn a pen and then set that turning back into 
a clear epoxy? so that the wood would be inside a clear and smooth finish?

I know for my self. I like a smooth and thin pen, as well as pencil, I do not 
like the feel of odd shape or edges, in which hurt my fingers after a long use. 
 

Now Im no expert on this, but even when I see a fine made pen, it will be love 
at first touch or it just will not happen at all for me. So far Ive not made 
any pens that feel like what I want. but...? But who know, perhaps some kind of 
ergo dynamic pen just might be out there for me? but it would be, just my luck 
that I find one that I like, and it would be one of the ugliest pens ever made. 
;-p

I wish you guys the best of luck on this topic. Hopefully you all can get some 
nice pens turned and then Post the pictures, here. I would love to see them.  
;-)

 

C.A.G.


  _  


Hi Cole and Bill,

I don't like the looks of the triple roped pen myself.  I think I like the
idea of a double roped so it forms a little bead wrapped around the pen. I
wonder why I don't see more polygon shaped pens with a dash of tear-drop
flutes or super tiny reeds.  Jerry Beal came out with the Pen Wizard three
or so years ago and yet I don't see non-round pens anywhere.  One could
argue the tool costs too much but I see it as pennies for what it can do.
Isn't that why we bought our machines?  Based on dreams and what we can do,
but what we DO in the end is a different story :-)

I once read in a pen makers forum that the twisted pens where not that
successful compared to standard pens.  I never got to see any example of the
pens and that was just a coupe sellers opinions.  I wondered how they where
presented. Here's a little story from my life of selling treenware.

I made 50 units of a product that generally sells for $25 - $30 all day long
using my legacy and not one of them where round.  I sold them for $35 or
more on ebay and they where selling as I produced them.  Now granted I have
a name in the trinket field which helped, but I sold them with the idea that
it's not the shape that you see that any turner makes.  Mine are original,
one of a kind, and limited availability.   So I don't know if it was my
name, the pitch, or simply the fact they where different, but I do know they
left my door with a %100 percent guarantee and none ever came back.

Moral of the story, if you're in the craft field you do have educate the
customer and as I call it, Sell the Story.  It means more cash per unit
but often less sales because the price point is higher.  It beats making
widgets at a quarter a piece, but I'll admit to making widgets to pay the
bills as well.  Those too can be lucrative.

I still wonder if a single or double start Barley pen has ever been made and
how it feels.

-Tim



- Original Message - 
From: Cole Andrews coleandrew...@gmail.com
To: Legacy group legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens

Re: Barley twist on pens

[Roger P]

Sorry folks but blame Microsoft for not copying it properly 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv1WoQtwVVE

From: Bill Bulkeley 
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 12:34 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Barley twist on pens

Roger you have 2 short cuts to the same video the legacy one

Bill

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger P
Sent: Friday, 11 April 2014 9:13 AM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens

 

Hi Tim

Time for more education (private joke between Tim and me), what Barry Gross 
demonstrated was decoupage!  This video is a Penn State Industries one, it may 
be Barry doing the commentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoQ-nuDipUo

 

Legacy pen demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoQ-nuDipUo if your interested.

Regards
Euro Roger

 

From: Tim Krause 

Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 12:05 AM

To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens

 

Very inspiring post.  Reminds me of the work Barry Gross was working with 
(probably still is) that he would place stickers, decals gears etc on the 
central tube and use a clear two part polymer to clear cast the blocks.   This 
would be really something different.  

 

Regarding large diameter pens, some day you might appreciate them when you hand 
grip is no longer what it use to be :-)  Still a great post Curt. 

 

Thank You!

 

-Tim

 

  - Original Message - 

  From: CURTIS GEORGE 

  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:43 PM

  Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens

   

  Hello everyone, 

  On the Beall web site/ fourm. YoYospin (Jarry) comented a while back, the 
Biggest problem that most owners make, (when using his machine.) is that they 
cut to deep on there details, which makes the pens uncomfortable  to hold. 
Perhaps this rope cutting on the pens falls into this category ?

  Now what I think would be neat, would be to cut the pen blanks (rope or 
reed...) and then find a way to build up the finish so that the cut doesn't 
feel funny.

  I mean (Just an idea.) could you turn a pen and then set that turning back 
into a clear epoxy? so that the wood would be inside a clear and smooth finish?

  I know for my self. I like a smooth and thin pen, as well as pencil, I do not 
like the feel of odd shape or edges, in which hurt my fingers after a long use. 
 

  Now Im no expert on this, but even when I see a fine made pen, it will be 
love at first touch or it just will not happen at all for me. So far Ive not 
made any pens that feel like what I want. but...? But who know, perhaps some 
kind of ergo dynamic pen just might be out there for me? but it would be, just 
my luck that I find one that I like, and it would be one of the ugliest pens 
ever made. ;-p

  I wish you guys the best of luck on this topic. Hopefully you all can get 
some nice pens turned and then Post the pictures, here. I would love to see 
them.  ;-)

   

  C.A.G.


--

  Hi Cole and Bill,

  I don't like the looks of the triple roped pen myself.  I think I like the
  idea of a double roped so it forms a little bead wrapped around the pen. I
  wonder why I don't see more polygon shaped pens with a dash of tear-drop
  flutes or super tiny reeds.  Jerry Beal came out with the Pen Wizard three
  or so years ago and yet I don't see non-round pens anywhere.  One could
  argue the tool costs too much but I see it as pennies for what it can do.
  Isn't that why we bought our machines?  Based on dreams and what we can do,
  but what we DO in the end is a different story :-)

  I once read in a pen makers forum that the twisted pens where not that
  successful compared to standard pens.  I never got to see any example of the
  pens and that was just a coupe sellers opinions.  I wondered how they where
  presented. Here's a little story from my life of selling treenware.

  I made 50 units of a product that generally sells for $25 - $30 all day long
  using my legacy and not one of them where round.  I sold them for $35 or
  more on ebay and they where selling as I produced them.  Now granted I have
  a name in the trinket field which helped, but I sold them with the idea that
  it's not the shape that you see that any turner makes.  Mine are original,
  one of a kind, and limited availability.   So I don't know if it was my
  name, the pitch, or simply the fact they where different, but I do know they
  left my door with a %100 percent guarantee and none ever came back.

  Moral of the story, if you're in the craft field you do have educate the
  customer and as I call it, Sell the Story.  It means more cash per unit
  but often less sales because the price point is higher.  It beats making
  widgets at a quarter a piece, but I'll admit to making widgets to pay the
  bills as well

Re: Barley twist on pens

[CURTIS GEORGE]

Thanks Roger. I like that one. 
C.A.G. 

- Original Message -



Sorry folks but blame Microsoft for not copying it properly 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv1WoQtwVVE 




From: Bill Bulkeley 
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 12:34 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Barley twist on pens 




Roger you have 2 short cuts to the same video the legacy one 

Bill 





From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger P 
Sent: Friday, 11 April 2014 9:13 AM 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens 






Hi Tim 


Time for more education (private joke between Tim and me), what Barry Gross 
demonstrated was decoupage! This video is a Penn State Industries one, it may 
be Barry doing the commentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoQ-nuDipUo 







Legacy pen demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoQ-nuDipUo if your interested. 


Regards 
Euro Roger 






From: Tim Krause 


Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 12:05 AM 


To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 


Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens 






Very inspiring post. Reminds me of the work Barry Gross was working with 
(probably still is) that he would place stickers, decals gears etc on the 
central tube and use a clear two part polymer to clear cast the blocks. This 
would be really something different. 





Regarding large diameter pens, some day you might appreciate them when you hand 
grip is no longer what it use to be :-) Still a great post Curt. 





Thank You! 





-Tim 







- Original Message - 


From: CURTIS GEORGE 


To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 


Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:43 PM 


Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens 





Hello everyone, 


On the Beall web site/ fourm. YoYospin (Jarry) comented a while back, the 
Biggest problem that most owners make, (when using his machine.) is that they 
cut to deep on there details, which makes the pens uncomfortable to hold. 
Perhaps this rope cutting on the pens falls into this category ? 


Now what I think would be neat, would be to cut the pen blanks (rope or 
reed...) and then find a way to build up the finish so that the cut doesn't 
feel funny. 


I mean (Just an idea.) could you turn a pen and then set that turning back into 
a clear epoxy? so that the wood would be inside a clear and smooth finish? 


I know for my self. I like a smooth and thin pen, as well as pencil, I do not 
like the feel of odd shape or edges, in which hurt my fingers after a long use. 


Now Im no expert on this, but even when I see a fine made pen, it will be love 
at first touch or it just will not happen at all for me. So far Ive not made 
any pens that feel like what I want. but...? But who know, perhaps some kind of 
ergo dynamic pen just might be out there for me? but it would be, just my luck 
that I find one that I like, and it would be one of the ugliest pens ever made. 
;-p 


I wish you guys the best of luck on this topic. Hopefully you all can get some 
nice pens turned and then Post the pictures, here. I would love to see them. 
;-) 





C.A.G. 
- Original Message -


Hi Cole and Bill, 

I don't like the looks of the triple roped pen myself. I think I like the 
idea of a double roped so it forms a little bead wrapped around the pen. I 
wonder why I don't see more polygon shaped pens with a dash of tear-drop 
flutes or super tiny reeds. Jerry Beal came out with the Pen Wizard three 
or so years ago and yet I don't see non-round pens anywhere. One could 
argue the tool costs too much but I see it as pennies for what it can do. 
Isn't that why we bought our machines? Based on dreams and what we can do, 
but what we DO in the end is a different story :-) 

I once read in a pen makers forum that the twisted pens where not that 
successful compared to standard pens. I never got to see any example of the 
pens and that was just a coupe sellers opinions. I wondered how they where 
presented. Here's a little story from my life of selling treenware. 

I made 50 units of a product that generally sells for $25 - $30 all day long 
using my legacy and not one of them where round. I sold them for $35 or 
more on ebay and they where selling as I produced them. Now granted I have 
a name in the trinket field which helped, but I sold them with the idea that 
it's not the shape that you see that any turner makes. Mine are original, 
one of a kind, and limited availability. So I don't know if it was my 
name, the pitch, or simply the fact they where different, but I do know they 
left my door with a %100 percent guarantee and none ever came back. 

Moral of the story, if you're in the craft field you do have educate the 
customer and as I call it, Sell the Story. It means more cash per unit 
but often less sales because the price point is higher. It beats making 
widgets at a quarter a piece, but I'll admit to making widgets to pay the 
bills

Re: Barley twist on pens

[mwfoscue]

Barry,Wow!! That is a very nice looking pen. Appears to be of a spalted wood - maple?The way you have it "displayed" is terrific. The two together compliment each other - the "rack" looks great w/the pen and the pen looks great on the rack. Please share with us the woods you used and how you finished them off (BLO, tung, etc.?)With a holder like that, it doesn't matter if you like the "feel" of the pen - it is a piece of "art" in its own right - does not need to be used as a pen.Thanks for sharing - looking forward to hearing more about your "art piece".Mac -Original Message-
From: Barry Clarke <cla...@silomail.com>
Sent: Apr 10, 2014 7:14 PM
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Barley twist on pens

I’ve made a few rope twist pens ,there fun to make and find them very comfortable to use . This pic is one l made for a friend who along with large hands wanted thicker pen.  On Apr 10, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net wrote:Very inspiring post. Reminds me of the work Barry Gross was working with (probably still is) that he would place stickers, decals gears etc on the central tube and use a clear two part polymer to clear cast the blocks. This would be really something different.Regarding large diameter pens, some day you might appreciate them when you hand grip is no longer what it use to be :-) Still a great post Curt.Thank You!-Tim- Original Message -From:CURTIS GEORGETo:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSent:Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:43 PMSubject:Re: Barley twist on pensHello everyone,On the Beall web site/ fourm. YoYospin (Jarry) comented a while back, the Biggest problem that most owners make, (when using his machine.) is that they cut to deep on there details, which makes the pens uncomfortable to hold. Perhaps this rope cutting on the pens falls into this category?Now what I think would be neat, would be to cut the pen blanks (rope or reed...) and then find a way to build up the finish so that the cut doesn't feel funny.I mean (Just an idea.) could you turn a pen and then set that turning back into a clear epoxy? so that the wood would be inside a clear and smooth finish?I know for my self. I like a smooth and thin pen, as well as pencil, I do not like the feel of odd shape or edges, in which hurt my fingers after a long use. Now Im no expert on this, but even when I see a fine made pen, it will be love at first touch or it just will not happen at all for me. So far Ive not made any pens that feel like what I want. but...? But who know, perhaps some kind of ergo dynamic pen just might be out there for me? but it would be, just my luck that I find one that I like, and it would be one of the ugliest pens ever made. ;-pI wish you guys the best of luck on this topic. Hopefully you all can get some nice pens turned and then Post the pictures, here. I would love to see them. ;-)C.A.G.Hi Cole and Bill,I don't like the looks of the triple roped pen myself. I think I like theidea of a double roped so it forms a little bead wrapped around the pen. Iwonder why I don't see more polygon shaped pens with a dash of tear-dropflutes or super tiny reeds. Jerry Beal came out with the Pen Wizard threeor so years ago and yet I don't see non-round pens anywhere. One couldargue the tool costs too much but I see it as pennies for what it can do.Isn't that why we bought our machines? Based on dreams and what we can do,but what we DO in the end is a different story :-)I once read in a pen makers forum that the twisted pens where not thatsuccessful compared to standard pens. I never got to see any example of thepens and that was just a coupe sellers opinions. I wondered how they wherepresented. Here's a little story from my life of selling treenware.I made 50 units of a product that generally sells for $25 - $30 all day longusing my legacy and not one of them where round. I sold them for $35 ormore on ebay and they where selling as I produced them. Now granted I havea name in the trinket field which helped, but I sold them with the idea thatit's not the shape that you see that any turner makes. Mine are original,one of a kind, and limited availability.  So I don't know if it was myname, the pitch, or simply the fact they where different, but I do know theyleft my door with a %100 percent guarantee and none ever came back.Moral of the story, if you're in the craft field you do have educate thecustomer and as I call it, "Sell the Story". It means more cash per unitbut often less sales because the price point is higher. It beats makingwidgets at a quarter a piece, but I'll admit to making widgets to pay thebills as well. Those too can be lucrative.I still wonder if a single or double start Barley pen has ever been made andhow it feels.-Tim- Original Message -From: "Cole Andrews" coleandrew...@gmail.comTo: "Legacy group" legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.comSent: Thursda

Barley Twist Origin

[Tim Krause]

Hi All,

I often sell the story rather than the actual product so when it comes to items 
with Barley Twists here an interesting story.  The name Barley Twist was 
derived from Barley sugar candy that was twisted up.  Barley sugar is a 
traditional British hard candy.  I don't know if this is true, but I saw it on 
Roy Underhill's Woodwright shop (TV Show) and it sounds plausible.  Now go out 
into your shop and make some sweet twisted barley items and tell your friends 
and clients the story :-).  

-Tim

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Re: Barley Twist Origin

[Ron Taylor]

Hi Tim,
I can confirm that barley sugar was a popular candy when I was a child in
the UK, and as far as I know it still is. It also sounds plausible that the
barley twist was derived from this candy, it has brought back a few
memories of my childhood. I loved that stuff!!
Ron T.

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net wrote:

 **
 Hi All,

 I often sell the story rather than the actual product so when it comes to
 items with Barley Twists here an interesting story.  The name Barley
 Twist was derived from Barley sugar candy that was twisted up.  Barley
 sugar is a traditional British hard candy.  I don't know if this is true,
 but I saw it on Roy Underhill's Woodwright shop (TV Show) and it sounds
 plausible.  Now go out into your shop and make some sweet twisted barley
 items and tell your friends and clients the story :-).

 -Tim


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RE: Barley Twist Origin

[Roger H Phebey]

Hi All,

The following link will provide additional information or the origins of the
barley sugar twist
http://blog.christiandaviesantiques.co.uk/the-origins-of-the-barley-sugar-tw
ist-582.html 

 

Ron by the way cannot be that old if he remembers barley sugar in the UK!
When I was a child in the 1940s in the very south of England we did not have
such luxuries although I do remember them in the 1950s when my family
returned from a naval posting in Malta.

 

I will also try and check with Stuart Turner, well known turner and master
of the hollow twist what he knows about the early days of spirals etc. He
also has a Model 1200.

Regards

Roger 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills+bnccktrtvexcxd5na_-bboeevf...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+bncCKTRtvexCxD5na_-BBoEEvfXEg@googlegroups.c
om] On Behalf Of Tim Krause
Sent: 03 June 2012 22:03
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Barley Twist Origin

 

Hi All,

 

I often sell the story rather than the actual product so when it comes to
items with Barley Twists here an interesting story.  The name Barley
Twist was derived from Barley sugar candy that was twisted up.  Barley
sugar is a traditional British hard candy.  I don't know if this is true,
but I saw it on Roy Underhill's Woodwright shop (TV Show) and it sounds
plausible.  Now go out into your shop and make some sweet twisted barley
items and tell your friends and clients the story :-).  

 

-Tim

 

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RE: Barley Twist Origin

[Roger H Phebey]

Hi guys

Too much partying celebrating Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee, by the way
look what you missed by going independent and settling on having elected
politians as leaders.

Sorry I digress, I meant to say Stuart Mortimer not Stuart Turner, the
latter are famous for small model steam engines, beautiful works of art.

 

Regards
Roger

 

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[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+bncCLGCmePPAhDm4K_-BBoEDb-e8w@googlegroups.c
om] On Behalf Of Roger H Phebey
Sent: 04 June 2012 00:17
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Barley Twist Origin

 

Hi All,

The following link will provide additional information or the origins of the
barley sugar twist
http://blog.christiandaviesantiques.co.uk/the-origins-of-the-barley-sugar-tw
ist-582.html 

 

Ron by the way cannot be that old if he remembers barley sugar in the UK!
When I was a child in the 1940s in the very south of England we did not have
such luxuries although I do remember them in the 1950s when my family
returned from a naval posting in Malta.

 

I will also try and check with Stuart Turner, well known turner and master
of the hollow twist what he knows about the early days of spirals etc. He
also has a Model 1200.

Regards

Roger 

 

From: legacy-ornamental-mills+bnccktrtvexcxd5na_-bboeevf...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+bncCKTRtvexCxD5na_-BBoEEvfXEg@googlegroups.c
om] On Behalf Of Tim Krause
Sent: 03 June 2012 22:03
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com
Subject: Barley Twist Origin

 

Hi All,

 

I often sell the story rather than the actual product so when it comes to
items with Barley Twists here an interesting story.  The name Barley
Twist was derived from Barley sugar candy that was twisted up.  Barley
sugar is a traditional British hard candy.  I don't know if this is true,
but I saw it on Roy Underhill's Woodwright shop (TV Show) and it sounds
plausible.  Now go out into your shop and make some sweet twisted barley
items and tell your friends and clients the story :-).  

 

-Tim

 

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Re: Barley Twist Origin

[Louis Brown]

Perhaps we should distinguish between the origins of the turning and the
origins of its English language name.  If so, then perhaps both are right.

Begat

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Roger H Phebey 
r...@woodworkersworkshop.co.uk wrote:

 Hi guys

 Too much partying celebrating Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee, by the
 way look what you missed by going independent and settling on having
 elected politians as leaders.

 Sorry I digress, I meant to say Stuart Mortimer not Stuart Turner, the
 latter are famous for small model steam engines, beautiful works of art.**
 **

 ** **

 Regards
 Roger

 ** **

 *From:*
 legacy-ornamental-mills+bncclgcmeppahdm4k_-bboedb-...@googlegroups.com[mailto:
 legacy-ornamental-mills+bncclgcmeppahdm4k_-bboedb-...@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Roger H Phebey
 *Sent:* 04 June 2012 00:17
 *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* RE: Barley Twist Origin

 ** **

 Hi All,

 The following link will provide additional information or the origins of
 the barley sugar twist
 http://blog.christiandaviesantiques.co.uk/the-origins-of-the-barley-sugar-twist-582.html
 

 ** **

 Ron by the way cannot be that old if he remembers barley sugar in the UK!
  When I was a child in the 1940s in the very south of England we did not
 have such luxuries although I do remember them in the 1950s when my family
 returned from a naval posting in Malta.

 ** **

 I will also try and check with Stuart Turner, well known turner and master
 of the hollow twist what he knows about the early days of spirals etc. He
 also has a Model 1200.

 Regards

 Roger 

 ** **

 *From:*
 legacy-ornamental-mills+bnccktrtvexcxd5na_-bboeevf...@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+bnccktrtvexcxd5na_-bboeevf...@googlegroups.com]
 *On Behalf Of *Tim Krause
 *Sent:* 03 June 2012 22:03
 *To:* Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Barley Twist Origin

 ** **

 Hi All,

  

 I often sell the story rather than the actual product so when it comes to
 items with Barley Twists here an interesting story.  The name Barley
 Twist was derived from Barley sugar candy that was twisted up.  Barley
 sugar is a traditional British hard candy.  I don't know if this is true,
 but I saw it on Roy Underhill's Woodwright shop (TV Show) and it sounds
 plausible.  Now go out into your shop and make some sweet twisted barley
 items and tell your friends and clients the story :-).  

  

 -Tim

  

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Re: Tapered Barley twist revisited

[curt george]

Mike those are realy nice, what kind of wood are those made out of?
C.A.G.
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  Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:35 PM
  Subject: Re: Tapered Barley twist revisited


  Here is one I did last month.
  2 barley and a 4, 2 start pitch.  One left to do in the picture and then 
sanded and sent them to a happy customer

  Mike
  OK

  On 3/18/2010 9:04 PM, Tim Krause wrote: 
Hi Mike,

I'm revisiting this old topic and ask if what I'm thinking of doing is even 
possible.  Take a look at the attached drawing.  It's a tapered barley twist 
made with the magnate 7554 Barley twist bit and 1.5 of pitch.  I need to over 
come the gears locking up with the full 4 degrees of tilt, but after that, does 
the piece have a chance of looking like my drawing? 

I was thinking of using your universal joint trick to get more angle.  
Otherwise I think my only other alternative is routing from the side with a 
straight cutting bit a template and some handwork.  Do you think this can be 
done on the legacy?

-Tim

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Re: Tapered Barley twist revisited

[LiLtwisted]

Cherry

On 3/25/2010 2:24 AM, curt george wrote:

Mike those are realy nice, what kind of wood are those made out of?
C.A.G.

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*Subject:* Re: Tapered Barley twist revisited

Here is one I did last month.
2 barley and a 4, 2 start pitch.  One left to do in the picture
and then sanded and sent them to a happy customer

Mike
OK

On 3/18/2010 9:04 PM, Tim Krause wrote:

Hi Mike,
I'm revisiting this old topic and ask if what I'm thinking of
doing is even possible.  Take a look at the attached drawing. 
It's a tapered barley twist made with the magnate 7554 Barley

twist bit and 1.5 of pitch.  I need to over come the gears
locking up with the full 4 degrees of tilt, but after that, does
the piece have a chance of looking like my drawing?
I was thinking of using your universal joint trick to get more
angle.  Otherwise I think my only other alternative is routing
from the side with a straight cutting bit a template and some
handwork.  Do you think this can be done on the legacy?
-Tim
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Re: Tapered Barley twist revisited

[curt george]

Thank you. ;-)
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  Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:39 AM
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  Cherry

  On 3/25/2010 2:24 AM, curt george wrote: 
Mike those are realy nice, what kind of wood are those made out of?
C.A.G.
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  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:35 PM
  Subject: Re: Tapered Barley twist revisited


  Here is one I did last month.
  2 barley and a 4, 2 start pitch.  One left to do in the picture and 
then sanded and sent them to a happy customer

  Mike
  OK

  On 3/18/2010 9:04 PM, Tim Krause wrote: 
Hi Mike,

I'm revisiting this old topic and ask if what I'm thinking of doing is 
even possible.  Take a look at the attached drawing.  It's a tapered barley 
twist made with the magnate 7554 Barley twist bit and 1.5 of pitch.  I need to 
over come the gears locking up with the full 4 degrees of tilt, but after that, 
does the piece have a chance of looking like my drawing? 

I was thinking of using your universal joint trick to get more angle.  
Otherwise I think my only other alternative is routing from the side with a 
straight cutting bit a template and some handwork.  Do you think this can be 
done on the legacy?

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Re: Tapered Barley twist revisited

[curt george]

Good morning Everyone.
Mike I like your idea, the wood mounted to the tail stock would be so much 
easer to make and use, than the bracket that I had made.

Tim, I mis-read the print, I saw 8 not 8 deg. on the top, I thought that you 
were making an extreme angle. Woops! ;-)

I will talk to you all latter.
Ive got some stuff to make this morning at work. Talk to you all latter.
Have a great day.
C.A.G.
  - Original Message - 
  From: LiLtwisted 
  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 12:43 AM
  Subject: Re: Tapered Barley twist revisited


  I drill a 1/4 hole and use a cone point live center.  Just use a board with 
a hole drilled to hold your live center secure and clamp it to the top of the 
existing tail stock.  That will be one of those temporary fixes that become a 
permanent fixture in your shop.

  Mike
  OK

  On 3/18/2010 11:33 PM, Tim Krause wrote: 
Hi Curt, 

Look again, it was 2.5 diameter on one end, 8 degrees total taper , 4 
degrees per side (the max taper on a model 900).  I don't know about the rest 
of you guys, but any angle past 2.5 degrees and my gears lock up and the 
adjustable arm starts to bend.  Definitely want to see your offset jig.  It 
reminds me of the mod Bill when he made his side cutting router.  His tailstock 
was able to be offset to get a good taper going.  I'll have to go look at that 
again. 

Hey Mike, my chopped legacy can go to 9 degrees (18 total) but the gears 
will not work at that extreme angle.  That is why I thought about your 
universal joint idea.  How do you hold the tailstock end? 

Thanks guys,

-Tim



  - Original Message - 
  From: curt george 
  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 5:34 PM
  Subject: Re: Tapered Barley twist revisited


  Hello Tim
  8 on one end and less than 1 on the other, Unless you have a straight 
bit 7 long cutting horizontally would not be possible. but I think It can be 
done.
  As you suggest cutting from the side and with the use of a template would 
work.
  How about thinking outside the box. (so to speak.) make a turning on the 
lathe, and then make an off-set on your legacy to hold the part straight so 
that you can turn the barley twist. I made an off-set jig a few years ago. it 
mounted to my table (my machine is mounted on a table, I do not have the leg 
set.)  the  live center was lowered so I could get the angle I needed.
  I will find my jig and take a picture tomorrow.
  I hope this idea helps?

  Its past my bed time.
  See you all latter. 03:30 tomorrow . ;-)
  C.A..G.
- Original Message - 
From: Tim Krause 
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:04 PM
Subject: Tapered Barley twist revisited


Hi Mike,

I'm revisiting this old topic and ask if what I'm thinking of doing is 
even possible.  Take a look at the attached drawing.  It's a tapered barley 
twist made with the magnate 7554 Barley twist bit and 1.5 of pitch.  I need to 
over come the gears locking up with the full 4 degrees of tilt, but after that, 
does the piece have a chance of looking like my drawing? 

I was thinking of using your universal joint trick to get more angle.  
Otherwise I think my only other alternative is routing from the side with a 
straight cutting bit a template and some handwork.  Do you think this can be 
done on the legacy?

-Tim

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Re: Tapered Barley twist revisited

[curt george]

Hay Tim
If you are drafting an adjustable tail stock, Use a screw adjustment so you can 
get real fine adjustment on many different angles. 
If you are going to Dream, DREAM BIG! ;-)

C.A.G.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Krause 
  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 2:30 AM
  Subject: Re: Tapered Barley twist revisited


  You know me, I'm already drafting at tilting offset tailstock that replaces 
the stock one :-).  Can you take a picture of yours when you get a chance?

  -Tim



- Original Message - 
From: LiLtwisted 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: Tapered Barley twist revisited


I drill a 1/4 hole and use a cone point live center.  Just use a board 
with a hole drilled to hold your live center secure and clamp it to the top of 
the existing tail stock.  That will be one of those temporary fixes that become 
a permanent fixture in your shop.

Mike
OK

On 3/18/2010 11:33 PM, Tim Krause wrote: 
  Hi Curt, 

  Look again, it was 2.5 diameter on one end, 8 degrees total taper , 4 
degrees per side (the max taper on a model 900).  I don't know about the rest 
of you guys, but any angle past 2.5 degrees and my gears lock up and the 
adjustable arm starts to bend.  Definitely want to see your offset jig.  It 
reminds me of the mod Bill when he made his side cutting router.  His tailstock 
was able to be offset to get a good taper going.  I'll have to go look at that 
again. 

  Hey Mike, my chopped legacy can go to 9 degrees (18 total) but the gears 
will not work at that extreme angle.  That is why I thought about your 
universal joint idea.  How do you hold the tailstock end? 

  Thanks guys,

  -Tim



- Original Message - 
From: curt george 
To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: Tapered Barley twist revisited


Hello Tim
8 on one end and less than 1 on the other, Unless you have a straight 
bit 7 long cutting horizontally would not be possible. but I think It can be 
done.
As you suggest cutting from the side and with the use of a template 
would work.
How about thinking outside the box. (so to speak.) make a turning on 
the lathe, and then make an off-set on your legacy to hold the part straight so 
that you can turn the barley twist. I made an off-set jig a few years ago. it 
mounted to my table (my machine is mounted on a table, I do not have the leg 
set.)  the  live center was lowered so I could get the angle I needed.
I will find my jig and take a picture tomorrow.
I hope this idea helps?

Its past my bed time.
See you all latter. 03:30 tomorrow . ;-)
C.A..G.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Krause 
  To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:04 PM
  Subject: Tapered Barley twist revisited


  Hi Mike,

  I'm revisiting this old topic and ask if what I'm thinking of doing 
is even possible.  Take a look at the attached drawing.  It's a tapered barley 
twist made with the magnate 7554 Barley twist bit and 1.5 of pitch.  I need to 
over come the gears locking up with the full 4 degrees of tilt, but after that, 
does the piece have a chance of looking like my drawing? 

  I was thinking of using your universal joint trick to get more angle. 
 Otherwise I think my only other alternative is routing from the side with a 
straight cutting bit a template and some handwork.  Do you think this can be 
done on the legacy?

  -Tim

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Re: Tapered Barley twist revisited

[curt george]

Hello Tim
8 on one end and less than 1 on the other, Unless you have a straight bit 7 
long cutting horizontally would not be possible. but I think It can be done.
As you suggest cutting from the side and with the use of a template would work.
How about thinking outside the box. (so to speak.) make a turning on the lathe, 
and then make an off-set on your legacy to hold the part straight so that you 
can turn the barley twist. I made an off-set jig a few years ago. it mounted to 
my table (my machine is mounted on a table, I do not have the leg set.)  the  
live center was lowered so I could get the angle I needed.
I will find my jig and take a picture tomorrow.
I hope this idea helps?

Its past my bed time.
See you all latter. 03:30 tomorrow . ;-)
C.A..G.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Krause 
  To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:04 PM
  Subject: Tapered Barley twist revisited


  Hi Mike,

  I'm revisiting this old topic and ask if what I'm thinking of doing is even 
possible.  Take a look at the attached drawing.  It's a tapered barley twist 
made with the magnate 7554 Barley twist bit and 1.5 of pitch.  I need to over 
come the gears locking up with the full 4 degrees of tilt, but after that, does 
the piece have a chance of looking like my drawing? 

  I was thinking of using your universal joint trick to get more angle.  
Otherwise I think my only other alternative is routing from the side with a 
straight cutting bit a template and some handwork.  Do you think this can be 
done on the legacy?

  -Tim


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Re: Tapered Barley twist revisited

[LiLtwisted]

I drill a 1/4 hole and use a cone point live center.  Just use a board 
with a hole drilled to hold your live center secure and clamp it to the 
top of the existing tail stock.  That will be one of those temporary 
fixes that become a permanent fixture in your shop.


Mike
OK

On 3/18/2010 11:33 PM, Tim Krause wrote:

Hi Curt,
Look again, it was 2.5 diameter on one end, 8 degrees total taper , 4 
degrees per side (the max taper on a model 900).  I don't know about 
the rest of you guys, but any angle past 2.5 degrees and my gears lock 
up and the adjustable arm starts to bend.  Definitely want to see your 
offset jig.  It reminds me of the mod Bill when he made his side 
cutting router.  His tailstock was able to be offset to get a good 
taper going.  I'll have to go look at that again.
Hey Mike, my chopped legacy can go to 9 degrees (18 total) but the 
gears will not work at that extreme angle.  That is why I thought 
about your universal joint idea.  How do you hold the tailstock end?

Thanks guys,
-Tim

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*From:* curt george mailto:curtgeo...@wowway.com
*To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, March 18, 2010 5:34 PM
*Subject:* Re: Tapered Barley twist revisited

Hello Tim
8 on one end and less than 1 on the other, Unless you have a
straight bit 7 long cutting horizontally would not be possible.
but I think It can be done.
As you suggest cutting from the side and with the use of a
template would work.
How about thinking outside the box. (so to speak.) make a turning
on the lathe, and then make an off-set on your legacy to hold the
part straight so that you can turn the barley twist. I made an
off-set jig a few years ago. it mounted to my table (my machine is
mounted on a table, I do not have the leg set.)  the  live center
was lowered so I could get the angle I needed.
I will find my jig and take a picture tomorrow.
I hope this idea helps?
Its past my bed time.
See you all latter. 03:30 tomorrow . ;-)
C.A..G.

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*From:* Tim Krause mailto:artmarb...@comcast.net
*To:* Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com
mailto:Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:04 PM
*Subject:* Tapered Barley twist revisited

Hi Mike,
I'm revisiting this old topic and ask if what I'm thinking of
doing is even possible.  Take a look at the attached drawing. 
It's a tapered barley twist made with the magnate 7554 Barley

twist bit and 1.5 of pitch.  I need to over come the gears
locking up with the full 4 degrees of tilt, but after that,
does the piece have a chance of looking like my drawing?
I was thinking of using your universal joint trick to get more
angle.  Otherwise I think my only other alternative is routing
from the side with a straight cutting bit a template and some
handwork.  Do you think this can be done on the legacy?
-Tim
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Re: Tapered Barley twist revisited

[Tim Krause]

You know me, I'm already drafting at tilting offset tailstock that replaces the 
stock one :-).  Can you take a picture of yours when you get a chance?

-Tim



  - Original Message - 
  From: LiLtwisted 
  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 8:43 PM
  Subject: Re: Tapered Barley twist revisited


  I drill a 1/4 hole and use a cone point live center.  Just use a board with 
a hole drilled to hold your live center secure and clamp it to the top of the 
existing tail stock.  That will be one of those temporary fixes that become a 
permanent fixture in your shop.

  Mike
  OK

  On 3/18/2010 11:33 PM, Tim Krause wrote: 
Hi Curt, 

Look again, it was 2.5 diameter on one end, 8 degrees total taper , 4 
degrees per side (the max taper on a model 900).  I don't know about the rest 
of you guys, but any angle past 2.5 degrees and my gears lock up and the 
adjustable arm starts to bend.  Definitely want to see your offset jig.  It 
reminds me of the mod Bill when he made his side cutting router.  His tailstock 
was able to be offset to get a good taper going.  I'll have to go look at that 
again. 

Hey Mike, my chopped legacy can go to 9 degrees (18 total) but the gears 
will not work at that extreme angle.  That is why I thought about your 
universal joint idea.  How do you hold the tailstock end? 

Thanks guys,

-Tim



  - Original Message - 
  From: curt george 
  To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 5:34 PM
  Subject: Re: Tapered Barley twist revisited


  Hello Tim
  8 on one end and less than 1 on the other, Unless you have a straight 
bit 7 long cutting horizontally would not be possible. but I think It can be 
done.
  As you suggest cutting from the side and with the use of a template would 
work.
  How about thinking outside the box. (so to speak.) make a turning on the 
lathe, and then make an off-set on your legacy to hold the part straight so 
that you can turn the barley twist. I made an off-set jig a few years ago. it 
mounted to my table (my machine is mounted on a table, I do not have the leg 
set.)  the  live center was lowered so I could get the angle I needed.
  I will find my jig and take a picture tomorrow.
  I hope this idea helps?

  Its past my bed time.
  See you all latter. 03:30 tomorrow . ;-)
  C.A..G.
- Original Message - 
From: Tim Krause 
To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:04 PM
Subject: Tapered Barley twist revisited


Hi Mike,

I'm revisiting this old topic and ask if what I'm thinking of doing is 
even possible.  Take a look at the attached drawing.  It's a tapered barley 
twist made with the magnate 7554 Barley twist bit and 1.5 of pitch.  I need to 
over come the gears locking up with the full 4 degrees of tilt, but after that, 
does the piece have a chance of looking like my drawing? 

I was thinking of using your universal joint trick to get more angle.  
Otherwise I think my only other alternative is routing from the side with a 
straight cutting bit a template and some handwork.  Do you think this can be 
done on the legacy?

-Tim

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Re: Flats on the end of Barley Twist

[Bill Bulkeley]

Im sorry to hear im not the only one who have experienced legacy's lack of 
support I hope they monitor this site and see the problems and fix them. 
after all without us the customer you don't have a business.bad policy to 
alienate your buyers. if you don't have enough salesmen to answer many many 
emails and phone calls hire more people that would be what most logical 
companies would do
Bill
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From: Jim j...@bresnan.net
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: Flats on the end of Barley Twist



Bill,

I believe Legacy support structure for any of their home products is
limited to a few salesman who are receiving hundreds of e-mails and
phone calls a day. My experience seems to indicate that assumption.
For overseas legacy owners I would say --good luck-- and hope you get
the responses you want from your e-mails. I believe a company needs to
sell their product that has a good customer support structure. This
will keeps future sales coming in for that business and in the case of
Legacy this should apply to its small home use machines to the
industrial line of machines. In my business I have communications
before, during and after the sale of my services which is excavation.
The CNC is a great tooI for the woodworker and and I wish I would have
seen the 1200 CNC machine in person and operating prior to purchasing
one. After having the machine for a year I'm not sure I would purchase
again from Legacy. The word of mouth such as these discussion groups
bring to light their lack of concern for their customer base.

There are a lot of companies that have bad e-mail support for the
products they offer but I have also had great customer support from
other companies.
Jim



On Oct 14, 7:33 pm, Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
 Hi Guys
 Im going to do something today that im sure many of you have done im going 
 to bitch about legacy
 they such a pain in the ass to buy from especially if your overseas like 
 me. im trying to put in a order for some parts nothing special but I email 
 and email and wait and wait and nothing I wonder if I was ordering a top 
 of the range wiz bang cnc worth many thousands of dollars would they be so 
 unaccommodating. in a smaller market like Australia if we treated our 
 existing customers this way you would be out of business quite quickly, 
 you cant just rely on selling new machines with out proper follow up 
 service, they really do give me the shits. im interested if any one else 
 out there has had similar??.thank god for this forum or we would really be 
 in the dark learning about these wonderful machines.
 unlike magnate who are great to deal with put a order in online and a 
 short time later my order arrives in the mail great and they even know how 
 to use a computer and answer emails.
 all I can say is any body contemplating buying a legacy machine make dam 
 sure you get everything you need on the first order because it will drive 
 you insane trying to get follow up parts for your machines.
 well enough bitching now.
 Bill



 - Original Message -
 From: LiLtwisted
 To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 4:02 AM
 Subject: Re: Flats on the end of Barley Twist

 If you continue the cut and the flat goes away then the material is bowing 
 away from the blade in the middle. There are two suggestions. The first is 
 to sharpen the blade. If it is a little dull, it may cut without burning 
 but will cause enough pressure to push the wood away. If your blade is 
 sharp and the bowing is occurring, you will need a center support to give 
 the material the ability to stand up to the force of the cut. Have a look 
 at what I did for a very extreme 
 barley.http://www.turningaround.org/HollowSpiral.htm Good luck and let us 
 know what you find out.

 Mike
 OK
 PS
 Thank you ART for keeping your site open to us for these references. Kudos

 woodche...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 I have been busy turning a cane using a 1 barley twist with two
 starts. The turnings start out fine and continue about 6 inches;
 however, after that flats start showing up. What is causing the
 flats? Can you please help me out?
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Re: Flats on the end of Barley Twist

[curt george]

Hello Guys.
this has been an on going problem for Legacy for many years. Im very sorry 
to hear that you are running into this problem Bill.
As Tim suggested a phone call normally works better than an e-mail. I realy 
don't understand.
What I normally do is call and then ask for Tracy, or Diane. ( I realy miss 
him, Diane left the Legacy a few years back now, I never had any problems 
working with him.)  What I would suggest to you is, contact one person and 
make them responsible to you, and not to call or e-mail the company as a 
general rule. when you can, point out one person and say Tracy or someone 
dropped the ball on this one, it is much easer to put fire underone persons 
pants, than it is to say the company in general.

 Its sorta the divide and concur approach. ;-)

I have to run.
have a good day. And good luck on getting your order made.

C.A.G.
- Original Message - 
From: Jim j...@bresnan.net
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: Flats on the end of Barley Twist



Bill,

I believe Legacy support structure for any of their home products is
limited to a few salesman who are receiving hundreds of e-mails and
phone calls a day. My experience seems to indicate that assumption.
For overseas legacy owners I would say --good luck-- and hope you get
the responses you want from your e-mails. I believe a company needs to
sell their product that has a good customer support structure. This
will keeps future sales coming in for that business and in the case of
Legacy this should apply to its small home use machines to the
industrial line of machines. In my business I have communications
before, during and after the sale of my services which is excavation.
The CNC is a great tooI for the woodworker and and I wish I would have
seen the 1200 CNC machine in person and operating prior to purchasing
one. After having the machine for a year I'm not sure I would purchase
again from Legacy. The word of mouth such as these discussion groups
bring to light their lack of concern for their customer base.

There are a lot of companies that have bad e-mail support for the
products they offer but I have also had great customer support from
other companies.
Jim



On Oct 14, 7:33 pm, Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
 Hi Guys
 Im going to do something today that im sure many of you have done im going 
 to bitch about legacy
 they such a pain in the ass to buy from especially if your overseas like 
 me. im trying to put in a order for some parts nothing special but I email 
 and email and wait and wait and nothing I wonder if I was ordering a top 
 of the range wiz bang cnc worth many thousands of dollars would they be so 
 unaccommodating. in a smaller market like Australia if we treated our 
 existing customers this way you would be out of business quite quickly, 
 you cant just rely on selling new machines with out proper follow up 
 service, they really do give me the shits. im interested if any one else 
 out there has had similar??.thank god for this forum or we would really be 
 in the dark learning about these wonderful machines.
 unlike magnate who are great to deal with put a order in online and a 
 short time later my order arrives in the mail great and they even know how 
 to use a computer and answer emails.
 all I can say is any body contemplating buying a legacy machine make dam 
 sure you get everything you need on the first order because it will drive 
 you insane trying to get follow up parts for your machines.
 well enough bitching now.
 Bill



 - Original Message -
 From: LiLtwisted
 To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 4:02 AM
 Subject: Re: Flats on the end of Barley Twist

 If you continue the cut and the flat goes away then the material is bowing 
 away from the blade in the middle. There are two suggestions. The first is 
 to sharpen the blade. If it is a little dull, it may cut without burning 
 but will cause enough pressure to push the wood away. If your blade is 
 sharp and the bowing is occurring, you will need a center support to give 
 the material the ability to stand up to the force of the cut. Have a look 
 at what I did for a very extreme 
 barley.http://www.turningaround.org/HollowSpiral.htm Good luck and let us 
 know what you find out.

 Mike
 OK
 PS
 Thank you ART for keeping your site open to us for these references. Kudos

 woodche...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 I have been busy turning a cane using a 1 barley twist with two
 starts. The turnings start out fine and continue about 6 inches;
 however, after that flats start showing up. What is causing the
 flats? Can you please help me out?
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Re: Flats on the end of Barley Twist

[Jim]

Bill,

I believe Legacy support structure for any of their home products is
limited to a few salesman who are receiving hundreds of e-mails and
phone calls a day. My experience seems to indicate that assumption.
For overseas legacy owners I would say --good luck-- and hope you get
the responses you want from your e-mails. I believe a company needs to
sell their product that has a good customer support structure. This
will keeps future sales coming in for that business and in the case of
Legacy this should apply to its small home use machines to the
industrial line of machines. In my business I have communications
before, during and after the sale of my services which is excavation.
The CNC is a great tooI for the woodworker and and I wish I would have
seen the 1200 CNC machine in person and operating prior to purchasing
one. After having the machine for a year I'm not sure I would purchase
again from Legacy. The word of mouth such as these discussion groups
bring to light their lack of concern for their customer base.

There are a lot of companies that have bad e-mail support for the
products they offer but I have also had great customer support from
other companies.
Jim



On Oct 14, 7:33 pm, Bill Bulkeley bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
 Hi Guys
 Im going to do something today that im sure many of you have done im going to 
 bitch about legacy
 they such a pain in the ass to buy from especially if your overseas like me. 
 im trying to put in a order for some parts nothing special but I email and 
 email and wait and wait and nothing I wonder if I was ordering a top of the 
 range wiz bang cnc worth many thousands of dollars would they be so 
 unaccommodating. in a smaller market like Australia if we treated our 
 existing customers this way you would be out of business quite quickly, you 
 cant just rely on selling new machines with out proper follow up service, 
 they really do give me the shits. im interested if any one else out there has 
 had similar??.thank god for this forum or we would really be in the dark 
 learning about these wonderful machines.
 unlike magnate who are great to deal with put a order in online and a short 
 time later my order arrives in the mail great and they even know how to use a 
 computer and answer emails.
 all I can say is any body contemplating buying a legacy machine make dam sure 
 you get everything you need on the first order because it will drive you 
 insane trying to get follow up parts for your machines.
 well enough bitching now.
 Bill



 - Original Message -
   From: LiLtwisted
   To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 4:02 AM
   Subject: Re: Flats on the end of Barley Twist

   If you continue the cut and the flat goes away then the material is bowing 
 away from the blade in the middle.  There are two suggestions.  The first is 
 to sharpen the blade.  If it is a little dull, it may cut without burning but 
 will cause enough pressure to push the wood away.  If your blade is sharp and 
 the bowing is occurring, you will need a center support to give the material 
 the ability to stand up to the force of the cut.  Have a look at what I did 
 for a very extreme barley.http://www.turningaround.org/HollowSpiral.htm Good 
 luck and let us know what you find out.

   Mike
   OK
   PS
   Thank you ART for keeping your site open to us for these references.  Kudos

   woodche...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 I have been busy turning a cane using a 1 barley twist with two
 starts.  The turnings start out fine and continue about 6 inches;
 however, after that flats start showing up.  What is causing the
 flats?  Can you please help me out?
   
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RE: Flats on the end of Barley Twist

[Rich Goldner]

It sounds as if either the rails that hold the router are tilted or the
tailstock is lower than the headstock.



Rich Goldner
Indexer Wizards
http://www.wizardsbyrich.embarqspace.com 




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woodche...@bellsouth.net
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 11:47 AM
To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
Subject: Flats on the end of Barley Twist


I have been busy turning a cane using a 1 barley twist with two starts.
The turnings start out fine and continue about 6 inches; however, after that
flats start showing up.  What is causing the flats?  Can you please help me
out?


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Re: Flats on the end of Barley Twist

[LiLtwisted]

If you continue the cut and the flat goes away then the material is 
bowing away from the blade in the middle.  There are two suggestions.  
The first is to sharpen the blade.  If it is a little dull, it may cut 
without burning but will cause enough pressure to push the wood away.  
If your blade is sharp and the bowing is occurring, you will need a 
center support to give the material the ability to stand up to the force 
of the cut.  Have a look at what I did for a very extreme barley. 
http://www.turningaround.org/HollowSpiral.htm  Good luck and let us know 
what you find out.

Mike
OK
PS
Thank you ART for keeping your site open to us for these references.  Kudos

woodche...@bellsouth.net wrote:

I have been busy turning a cane using a 1 barley twist with two
starts.  The turnings start out fine and continue about 6 inches;
however, after that flats start showing up.  What is causing the
flats?  Can you please help me out?




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Re: Barley twist

[LiLtwisted]

The one on the site you linked to is a one start being held and a two 
start in the machine.  It looks like a 1.5 bit he used.   Have a look  
again and let me know what you would like the look to be.  Either bit 
will work just fine.

Mike
OK

mike wrote:

Hi,
I need to make a 3 dia. barley twist post, is there a formula to
figure out the #of starts, pitch and bit diameter?
I have the 2 and 1 1/2 bit and wasn't sure if these would work or if
I should get a 3 bit.
I would like to do a 2 start like they have on the legacy website the
top picture that somebody is holding. 
http://legacywoodworking.com/technique.cfm?techniqueID=2
I think that is 2
 thanks for your advise,

Mike




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