[LegacyUG] Publication Centre: Place holders

[Ken Carkeet]

Greetings!

Can someone please tell what place holders are used for and how to use them.
I can't find any reference to them in the help files. I want so insert some
pictures in the beginning of my book. I don't necessarily want to use the
scrap book function to do this.

Thank you for you hell.

Ken Carkeet



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Re: [LegacyUG] problem solved by TASK ARRAIGNER

[Lance]

Actually, there is a TASKARRANGER. It can be downloaded from:
http://sporkchop.com/Software/TaskArranger/
Does the same job as TaskArrange and was probably the one you were
thinking of, Sandra. Pity about the confusing names for applications
which both do the same thing :-).

Lance

On 10/14/06, Sandra Tyler Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

THIS IS ME SCREAMING THANK YOU SO VERY DARN MUCH
BLESSINGS
SANDRA
- Original Message -
From: "Jenny M Benson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] problem solved by TASK ARRAIGNER


Sandra Tyler Duncan wrote
>I found task arraigner, Just tried to find it to share with you but was not
>able to Google it, sorry,

The program is called TaskArrange, not Task Arraigner.  One of the many
places you can find it is:

http://users.forthnet.gr/pat/efotinis/programs/taskarrange.html
--
Jenny M Benson



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Re: [LegacyUG] Screen Shots

[Lance]

There are a number of screen capture utilities available - free and
shareware. Windows users though have a basic built-in screen capture
utility all ready to use with a couple of keystrokes.

To capture the full screen, just press the PRT SCR key (to the right
of the F12 key in the top row). This will copy the full desktop view
to the Windows clipboard. From there it can be pasted into any imaging
software (MS Paint for example). MS Word or any other application
which accept pasting.

To capture the uppermost screen you have open, press the ALT key along
with the PRT SCR key. Again, you can then paste it into an imaging
application. In there it can be edited or have text added to explain
what it is about.

Here is another free one: Mirek's Free Windows Software
http://www.mirekw.com/winfreeware/mwsnap.html

For anyone who dose a considerable amount of screen capturing, Snagit
is probably the ultimate tool in the shareware field:
SnagIt Screen Capture - Capture and Share Your PC Screen
http://www.techsmith.com/snagit.asp

If you would like an illustrated, printed guide, there is available
for download a .DOC file here:
http://lpc1.clpccd.cc.ca.us/lpc/dfields/HowTos/print_screen_worksheet.doc

Lance

On 10/14/06, Mary Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

DearCynthia
I recommend you download FREE ScreenHunter, it is super-easy to use.
http://tinyurl.com/1i20
Hope this helps
Mary Young
www.cmy.org.uk

On 10/14/06, Cynthia Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello Ron,
> Would you please give baby step directions on hos to take screen shots?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Screen Shots

[Mary Young]

DearCynthia
I recommend you download FREE ScreenHunter, it is super-easy to use.
http://tinyurl.com/1i20
Hope this helps
Mary Young
www.cmy.org.uk

On 10/14/06, Cynthia Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello Ron,
Would you please give baby step directions on hos to take screen shots?



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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy is freezing

[Dawn Crowley]

Much to my surprise, I do.  I just turned off that feature.  The down 
side of growing computer-literate future genealogists is that they often 
find features that I would never use.  The up side is when these same 
folks figure out useful features that I never would have discovered 
because I tend to input, rather than explore the program.  


Dawn

Mary Young wrote:

Do you have an alarm set within Legacy? I had this problem a long time 
ago, once I disabled the alarm I had no trouble.

Regards,
Mary

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RE: [LegacyUG] Entering source details

[Norman Weston]

This thread is one of the longest hot topics we have had on this list for
some time and highlights the fact that something is not quite right.

Jeff originally said

> I personally (maybe it is me) find entering source details 
> confusing and prone to error and inconsistency.

No, its not just you Jeff, I am sure that many of us legacy users have found
this to be the case and source citation in legacy is a big learning curve.
Personally I don’t agree with Jeff's conclusions but everyone has their own
take on this. 

About a years ago, I asked Legacy support for a simpler method, click on the
source icon to bring up ONE entry box to include both Master and Detail to
enable a quick citation for a simple source as in a copy and paste
operation. Then if a more complex citation was required there could be
buttons on this simple source screen to take you to the relevant Master or
Detail boxes with all the complexity that there is now incorporated.  There
are many new genealogists and new legacy users who are put off by the
current complexity.  

I am hoping that the hinted work in progress on sourcing goes someway to
satisfy at least some of us but I am equally sure that it will not satisfy
everyone.

Norman in Sunny Spain

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Re: [LegacyUG] Entering source details

[Patricia Hickin]

Cathy,

May I ask, If YOU were going to do some experimenting, what would you
start with for printing out--what reports?  I think I want an Ancestor
book for my mother's side, but perhaps a descendasnt book for my father's
side.

I like factual detail, pictures, narrative, stories, sources.

Pat

On Fri, October 13, 2006 03:43, Cathy wrote:
> Hi Pat,
> You're right. You won't know some details of how you want to enter
> things until you have looked at the output you want.
>
> Suggestion/Solution?
>
> Experiment.
> Enter some data. Run reports with the options that appeal to you.
>
> Don't like it?
> Enter the data another way.
>
> The essential thing is that the output is clear, not only to you but to
> others.
> The essential thing for sources is that someone else can take your
> source and find the same information.
> Following suggested standards is good, but until standards setters
> start thinking like computers, it will always be difficult to follow
> the guidelines exactly.
> eg Elizabeth Mills excellent book Evidence is very helpful on
> sourcing - but she tends to mix up Detail and Master Source in her
> suggested output so it's impossible to get her exact output with any
> rational use of Legacy.
>
> Cathy
>
> At 03:02 PM 13/10/2006, you wrote:
>
>>It is so neat to find so many people really interested in doing good
>>sourcing, etc.  But I just want to add one more thought.
>>
>>I don't know how anybody KNOWS exctly how s/he wants to arrange things,
>>where to put various kinds of data, etc., until one has printed out a
>> book
>>and various kinds of reports. (And then there are also various options
>>within the reports etc.)
>>
>>  Does anyone have suggestions/a solution for this??
>>
>>Pat
>
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[LegacyUG] Screen Shots

[Cynthia Russell]

Hello Ron,

Would you please give baby step directions on hos to take screen shots?  I
like your idea!

>snip
take screenshots of what you have done.  You can save your screenshots and
you will have created
your own guide of what works best for you.  Best of all, you don't have
to remember how you entered an event/source.  You can refer to your own
personal guide at any time.

Ron Bernier



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Re: [LegacyUG] How do I cancel all of my to do list

[linda chapman]

Hi RichardYou delete them because you are having a "senior moment" and then regret it.  The reason you regret it, is because when you restart both Gensmart and Legacy the information is there on Gensmart but for some reason does not transfer over to Legacy.I really do wish I hadn't tried to be cleverLin- Original Message From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.comSent: Saturday, 14 October, 2006 3:10:09 AMSubject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I cancel all of my to do listI have not found one, but why delete any 'so that I> can now use it
 seriously.'I sometime edit them but as you use them, you willfind the pattern you like best. It would be nice tohave a mass dump, but it has never been mentionedbefore, or I missed it.Rich--- linda chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> Hi> > I am fairly new to the "to do list" and after> experimenting with it I wondered if there was anyway> of doing a mass deletion in one action, so that I> can now use it seriously.> > Regards> > Half Pint> > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at:> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp> > To find past messages, please go to our searchable> archives at:>http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/> > For online technical support, please visit> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp> > To unsubscribe please visit:> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp> Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspTo find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspTo unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp


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Re: [LegacyUG] How do I cancel all of my to do list

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

I have not found one, but why delete any 'so that I
> can now use it seriously.'
I sometime edit them but as you use them, you will
find the pattern you like best. It would be nice to
have a mass dump, but it has never been mentioned
before, or I missed it.
Rich

--- linda chapman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I am fairly new to the "to do list" and after
> experimenting with it I wondered if there was anyway
> of doing a mass deletion in one action, so that I
> can now use it seriously.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Half Pint
> 
> 
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RE: [LegacyUG] RTFs, PDFs and layouts-Word vs WP| Now Image placement in WordPerfect.

[Peter Haughton]

Jennie, I have no problem with that at all, but it 
may be best to wait until someone says what the
actual defaults for the picture import are. My 
WordPerfect has had its defaults so changed to
suit ME that I'm sometimes not sure how it 
behaves for others.
It would also be appropriate if at least someone 
says it actually helped them? 

I understand that some who complained about 
not being able to position or re-size images 
and/or caption those images in rtfs imported into 
WordPerfect (or Word for that matter) actually 
want Legacy rtf or pdf output altered to suit their 
needs.  I'm happy that it is relatively easy to 
meet any needs I've seen expressed so far with
the rtf imported into WordPerfect. So I'd far 
rather time was spent in providing an rtf version
of Descendant Charts for example. But most 
people think charts have to have boxes, and it's
too difficult to do boxes in rtf files. I don't
use boxes, so please can I have an rtf when I
don't choose boxes?

Peter

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jennie
> Goodwin
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 3:03 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] RTFs, PDFs and layouts-Word vs WP| Now Image
> placement in WordPerfect.
> 
> 
> Peter:
> 
> Would you consider sending this to Geoff to be
> included in the Tips part of Legacy News?  It is
> certainly appropriate, and is also clear and
> comprehensive.  As I write this there have been no
> corrections or additions submitted . . .
> 
> Jennie
> 
> --- Peter Haughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I've now looked at how images in Legacy rtf file
> > output
> > are placed and imported into WordPerfect. To
> > describe
> > how you resize and position these images in
> > WordPerfect
> > I need several points/suggestions of introduction.
> > 
> > I suggest you NEVER try to drag images to reposition
> > or
> > resize them.
> > 
> > Images are placed in an "image box". When you click
> > on
> > the image and it is selected, you are selecting the
> > box.
> > 
> > The image box is located on the page in one of three
> > ways: It is attached to a character, a paragraph, or
> > a
> > page. Unfortunately, the rtf input conversion
> > chooses
> > attachment to a character, which for nearly ALL uses
> > is totally inappropriate. The conversion also sets
> > the
> > option that the image box changes the text line
> > height
> > to match the image box height. Consequently, you
> > will
> > never be able to get text to wrap, or reposition the
> > image box. TO OVERCOME this POSITIONING, right-
> > click on the image box, choose Position..., and
> > change
> > the Attach box to EITHER Paragraph or Page. Until
> > you
> > learn the consequences, I suggest you use Paragraph.
> > Play with the Horizontal and Vertical position
> > parameters
> > to understand how they work. ALWAYS use these to
> > move the image around.
> > 
> > rtf import will (from what I have seen so far) set
> > the
> > image to its original size.
> > Use Box Size (Right-click, choose Size...) to CHANGE
> > THE SIZE of your image. Set EITHER the Width OR
> > the Height, NOT BOTH. The other should always be set
> > to Maintain proportions (unless you wish to
> > specifically
> > distort an image). The Full option will make the
> > size of
> > the image stretch to the full page margin width or
> > height.
> > To see the original size of the image, choose
> > Maintain
> > proportions for both width and height.
> > 
> > From the right-click menu you can set borders on the
> > image, how text wraps around it, the caption and
> > where
> > it is placed, and so on. Under the border/fill
> > option, you
> > can set the internal and external spacing in the
> > image box,
> > that is the space between the image and a border,
> > and
> > the spacing between the border and any wrapping
> > text.
> > 
> > Finally, if you do not like any of the defaults
> > (like the
> > border, box spacing, default size, ... you can edit
> > the
> > image box style to suit yourself. For example, I
> > THINK
> > inserted images by default come with some sort of
> > border. I do not like this, and MY default is NO
> > border,
> > and my images come in that way.
> > 
> > Good luck.  Peter
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> >
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Behalf Of Peter
> > > Haughton
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:00 PM
> > > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> > > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] RTFs, PDFs and
> > layouts-Word vs WP
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd actually like to have the time to investigate
> > how
> > > an rtf file WITH images converts into WordPerfect,
> > > but I don't. So I don't know how it positions the
> > > images at all. In WP you should be able to right-
> > > click on an image and choos from a list: position,
> > > wrap, content, size ... and lots of others.
> > >
> > > I don't like the way the WP programmer(s)
> > > wrot

RE: [LegacyUG] RTFs, PDFs and layouts-Word vs WP

[Jan Roberts]

I have created a macro to help with formatting the captions in Word.  It
seems to work without making changes to other text inadvertently.  I set it
up to remove the [ and ] and the words Caption and  Description, and to move
the Description to follow the Caption.
e.g. 
[ Caption: John Rees SULLIVAN ]
[ Description: 
(1992) ]

 Now reads

John Rees SULLIVAN (1992)

And 

[ Caption: Bill ]
[ Description: Bill Roberts aged approximately 6 years
(c 1952) ]

Now reads

Bill Bill Roberts aged approximately 6 years (c 1952)

(This process has highlighted that I need to think about my descriptions so
I don't get things like Bill Bill when I run the macro.)  I also need to
refrain from using full stops at the end of the description, or it messes up
the macro.  It will always pay me to check the resulting text to make sure
the macro hasn't inadvertently made unexpected changes, and there may be
individual cases that the macro doesn't pick up when it should - for example
if there is a stray punctuation mark that doesn't fit the recorded sequence,
but it certainly makes removing the unwanted words and punctuation a breeze.


Happy to send a copy of the macro to anyone who would like to try it.

Cheers,
Jan
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alastair
Lack
Sent: Thursday, 12 October 2006 9:24:AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] RTFs, PDFs and layouts-Word vs WP

Susan,
I shall also be most interested in your conclusions, as I need to do
the same; at present formatting the pictures, and in particular their
captions, is proving a real headache
Warm Regards
Alastair

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[LegacyUG] How do I cancel all of my to do list

[linda chapman]

HiI am fairly new to the "to do list" and after experimenting with it I wondered if there was anyway of doing a mass deletion in one action, so that I can now use it seriously.RegardsHalf Pint


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Re: [LegacyUG] Mac version of Legacy?

[ETM]

I was not too thrilled with Family Historian after
paying for it when it first hit the market and
finding it had some misses that I wanted and found
elsewhere.  How does this do for US researchers? I
see there is a demo version available:

http://web.mac.com/keithswilson/iWeb/Site/iFamilyForTiger.html

Elaine

Love is friendship set on fire. --Jeremy Taylor

Hello Jennifer

On Friday, October 13, 2006, you wrote

> There is a new alternative to Reunion - iFamily for Tiger. A friend who
> is a Mac user thinks it leaves Reunion for
> dead. The price is right, too
> - $44 AUS in Australia and $40 O/Seas.





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RE: [LegacyUG] Quarter dates

[Peter Holmes]

Chris and the  others that responded,

Thanks for the advice. I was concerned that if I needed to sort dates into a
chronological sequence I needed them recorded in an acceptable manner.

Peter Holmes
Western Australia
[HOLMES (Witham on the Hill, Pinchbeck, Donington & then Leicestershire),
DAVISON (Donington), CRAGG (Leicestershire & Nottinghamshire), RYLOTT &
WITHERINGTON (Gosberton, Gosberton Clough)] [Villages are in Lincolnshire.]
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris
> Coward
> Sent: Saturday, 14 October 2006 4:53 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Quarter dates
> 
> Quarter datesUnfortunately Q3 1932 sorts as  March 1932. SEP Q 1932 sorts
as
> July 1932 (covering July-Sep). UK BMD quarter dates were added to Legacy
> with version 6.0.0.82. Legacy online help doesn't mention this but "What's
> New" for version 6.0.0.82  states:
>  "Date Formats - Legacy now recognizes quarter dates commonly used in UK
BMD
> Index records. (e.g. Mar Q 1873, Jun Q 1873, Sep Q 1873, Dec Q 1873)"
> 
> Chris
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: glove
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:04 PM
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Quarter dates
> 
> 
> Or Q3 1932
> Graham



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Re: [LegacyUG] problem solved by TASK ARRAIGNER

[Sandra Tyler Duncan]

THIS IS ME SCREAMING THANK YOU SO VERY DARN MUCH
BLESSINGS
SANDRA
- Original Message - 
From: "Jenny M Benson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] problem solved by TASK ARRAIGNER


Sandra Tyler Duncan wrote
I found task arraigner, Just tried to find it to share with you but was not 
able to Google it, sorry,


The program is called TaskArrange, not Task Arraigner.  One of the many
places you can find it is:

http://users.forthnet.gr/pat/efotinis/programs/taskarrange.html
--
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RE: [LegacyUG] Mac version of Legacy?

[Jennifer Crockett]

There is a new alternative to Reunion - iFamily for Tiger. A friend who
is a Mac user thinks it leaves Reunion for dead. The price is right, too
- $44 AUS in Australia and $40 O/Seas.

http://www.gould.com.au/default.asp?pageid=ProductCatalog&template=PRODU
CTCATALOG&catid=6939&prodid=16984

Jennifer


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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 14 October 2006 5:43 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mac version of Legacy?

Karen,
If you are going to abandon Windows  based systems (and in some ways I
don't 
blame you) and opt for a Mac, there is  one, very excellent 
programReunion.  It is the Mac version of the now  defunct
Generations program.  You cannot 
go wrong with that.

Jon  Raymond
St Paul Park, MN
Web site:  http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~raymond/  







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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationship issue

[Sherry/Support]

Actually, they've been hard at work on other issues that have been reported!
No "vacation blahs" here - we don't have time for them 

Thanks for using Legacy.

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Customer Support
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Thanks.
   

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Myrna
Jorgensen
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:23 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship issue

Thanks. Guess I will just have to wait for them to get over their "vacation
blahs" so we can get the new update.
Myrna
now in warm, rainy Mexico



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RE: [LegacyUG] Mac version of Legacy?

[Sherry/Support]

Keren,

We have no plans for a Mac version of Legacy. It will run under a Windows
emulator on the Mac.

Thanks for using Legacy.

Sherry
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keren
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 12:18 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Mac version of Legacy?

In the future I am considering to leave MS and its not yet released Vista
system behind me and go for the Apple Macintosh.
I got a couple of questions:

- I checked system requirements for Legacy and it's not compatible for the
Mac. Is this ever going to happen or is Legacy going to stay focused on MS
systems. (Can you put Legacy as it is now on a MAC anyway?)
- I heard Macintosh is busy with a system on their PC's that is going to be
compatible with specific MS software, does any one here know about that?

TIA, regards, Keren



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Re: [LegacyUG] problem solved by TASK ARRAIGNER

[Jenny M Benson]

Sandra Tyler Duncan wrote
I found task arraigner, Just tried to find it to share with you but was 
not able to Google it, sorry,


The program is called TaskArrange, not Task Arraigner.  One of the many 
places you can find it is:


http://users.forthnet.gr/pat/efotinis/programs/taskarrange.html
--
Jenny M Benson



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Re: [LegacyUG] Quarter dates

[Chris Coward]

Quarter datesUnfortunately Q3 1932 sorts as  March 1932. SEP Q 1932 sorts as 
July 1932 (covering July-Sep). UK BMD quarter dates were added to Legacy 
with version 6.0.0.82. Legacy online help doesn't mention this but "What's 
New" for version 6.0.0.82  states:
"Date Formats - Legacy now recognizes quarter dates commonly used in UK BMD 
Index records. (e.g. Mar Q 1873, Jun Q 1873, Sep Q 1873, Dec Q 1873)"


Chris

- Original Message - 
From: glove

To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:04 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Quarter dates


Or Q3 1932
Graham

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris 
Coward

Sent: 13 October 2006 13:37
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Quarter dates

SEP Q 1932

Chris





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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship issue

[Myrna Jorgensen]

Thanks. Guess I will just have to wait for them to get over their
"vacation blahs" so we can get the new update.
Myrna
now in warm, rainy Mexico



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Re: [LegacyUG] Mac version of Legacy?

[ETM]

I use a MacBook and have split it fifty-fifty
between Windows and Apple.  Most Mac users would
probably not be willing to give Windows that much
space, but I am not all that unhappy with
Windows.

Reunion is up to date and a good program and is
used by most who use Mac.

However, if I want to I can load Legacy (I use
Deluxe version) and any other genealogy program
designed for PCs (free or fee) on the Windows side
of the Mac.

One program (Parallels) runs Windows WITHIN Apple,
in other words a window within a window. Another
program runs Windows as its own operating system
and one has to boot into Windows and is NOT in
Apple at all when on the Mac.  That is Boot Camp,
that is my preference.  Windows operates just fine
there.  I haven't felt much need to be within
Apple when working with Windows.  Doesn't make
much sense to me.

Elaine





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Re: [LegacyUG] Unable to open Legacy 5.0

[Evert van Dijken]

If the database was on CD the file properties are probably read only.
Right click on the file, select properties and remove the tag from read only (not sure about the terms because I use the Dutch version of windows xp).
If the file is still on CD than you have to move the file to Hard Disk, Legacy cannot open databases from CD.
Evert
 
2006/10/13, Wilbur & Faye Cleveland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Sherry:When I right click on the shortcut on my desktop. as you suggest, it showsin Type of File "Legacy Genealogy Software".  On the line that says>
(open with), it has the same words.My problem began with I tried to "Click and Drag" my files to a CD as abackup.The error message reads:"Error Opening database."  The message inside the
box reads. "Unrecognized database format. C\Documents and Settings\WilburCleveland\local settings application data\Microsoft CD burning\ClevelandFamily .fdb.Any suggestions?Wilbur Cleveland
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy is freezing

[Evert van Dijken]

On my computer it's windows defender updating and scanning my computer at 12.00 AM (takes up 100% cpu) I just wait a couple of minutes and than other programms start working again.
For me this started after the last windows updates.
Evert 
2006/10/13, Sherry/Support <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Ron,Anything's possible!  It could be related to another program running also!Been there, done that with freezing issues and it can be a real pain to
figure out what's going on!Personally, I'd never leave a program open for 6-8 hours if I'm not usingit.  I've had too many freezing problems and power outages to risk filesgetting corrupted!  About the only thing that remains open is my instant
messenger program.Thanks for using Legacy.SherryCustomer SupportMillennia Corporation[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.comWe are changing the world of genealogy!When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence.Thanks.-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
] On Behalf Of ronaldfergusonSent: Friday, October 13, 2006 8:55 AMTo: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.comSubject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy is freezing
Sherry,Just a thought, but is it possible that this is a Windows problem ratherthan Legacy's. I have recently found this happening with other programs andam beginning to wonder if it's connected with a Windows Update.
Ron Ferguson>From: "Sherry/Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: 
LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>To: >Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy is freezing>Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:06:22 -0700
>>I'll respond off list.  This type of issue is best sent direct to>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Thanks for using Legacy.>>Sherry
>Customer Support>Millennia Corporation>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
>>We are changing the world of genealogy!>>When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence.>Thanks.>>>>
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
] On Behalf Of Dawn>Crowley>Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:26 AM>To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy is freezing
>>>My computer screen typically has Legacy open at any given time.>Several members of my household each use it pretty much daily.  I>recently downloaded version 
6.0.0.110 deluxe.  Since that download, Legacyfreezes.>It's fine when first opened and used off and on for several hours, but>if it sits idle for, oh, 6-8 hours, then when we click on the button on
>the taskbar to bring up Legacy nothing happens.*  We do control-alt-delete, which states that the program is not>responding.>>*  We select to end task.>
>*  Then we go to start and click on the Legacy icon.  The program>starts again with no trouble.>>>Also, Our latest database, started just last week, does not show up>when we click on "file", but is on the list for "open family file".
>All data seems to be there for the various files.  I suspect that this>may be related to the freezing problem, since we probably have not>properly exited the program.>>I have run "file maintenance" several times, but that doesn't change
>anything.>>Other info:>plenty of memory>computer is about 2 years old>windows XP, home editition, version 2002 Legacy deluxeLegacy User Group guidelines can be found at: 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Mac version of Legacy?

[JRAYMOND651]

Karen,
If you are going to abandon Windows  based systems (and in some ways I don't 
blame you) and opt for a Mac, there is  one, very excellent 
programReunion.  It is the Mac version of the now  defunct Generations 
program.  You cannot 
go wrong with that.

Jon  Raymond
St Paul Park, MN
Web site:  http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~raymond/  



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[LegacyUG] problem solved by TASK ARRAIGNER

[Sandra Tyler Duncan]

    For many months I 
griped about how legacy turned on yucky every morning when I did 
hibernation wrong. Nothing could be done, viewing, adding or altering in any 
way, so I used to shut entire computer down and do a restart. Then I found Task 
Arraigner and when it come out of hibernation each day, the first thing that I 
do is to shut down LEGACY then start it up again, editing problem is solved but 
then on the bottom task bar, LEGACY is not the first in line, somehow, I 
found task arraigner, Just tried to find it to share with you but was not able 
to Google it, sorry, but when I first complained about this months ago, 
Another lister said that they had the same trouble, LEGACY OK when closed into 
hibernation but when opening no actions can be performed. So, instead of 
restarting computer, I just close and reopen LEGACY, which puts it far to 
the right of the start button and TASK ARRAIGNER can move it to be 'just' 
to the right of the start button which is my preference. Please mail me 
privately if you find the place to download the 
program.



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RE: [LegacyUG] Mac version of Legacy?

[Robert Carneal]

Keren-

Well, barely yes, and mostly no.

Barely yes because there is software out there that will allow Windows
software to run on a Mac, but from I am hearing, it runs agonizingly slow.
So it runs so slow, that most people will declare Legacy does not run on a
Mac. In this regard, I would suggest having a computer with Windows that you
use hardly anything on except Legacy. Perhaps a laptop for Legacy?

Mostly no due to its slowness.  Please be advised that when a friend of mine
tried this, he lost the ability to perform Spell Check in editing events. He
found that so frustrating that he paid someone to make him a Windows
computer and has nothing on it except
1. Windows
2. Internet Explorer
3. Email client
4. Word Processor
5. Spreadsheet
6. Legacy

Just those six things. He is happy with it, although he would have like to
have had Legacy on his Mac.

Robert





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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keren
Sent: 2006-10-13 14:18
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Mac version of Legacy?

In the future I am considering to leave MS and its not yet released Vista
system behind me and go for the Apple Macintosh.
I got a couple of questions:

- I checked system requirements for Legacy and it's not compatible for the
Mac. Is this ever going to happen or is Legacy going to stay focused on MS
systems. (Can you put Legacy as it is now on a MAC anyway?)
- I heard Macintosh is busy with a system on their PC's that is going to be
compatible with specific MS software, does any one here know about that?

TIA, regards, Keren



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[LegacyUG] Mac version of Legacy?

[Keren]

In the future I am considering to leave MS and its not yet released Vista 
system behind me and go for the Apple Macintosh.
I got a couple of questions:

- I checked system requirements for Legacy and it's not compatible for the Mac. 
Is this ever going to happen or is Legacy going to stay focused on MS systems. 
(Can you put Legacy as it is now on a MAC anyway?)
- I heard Macintosh is busy with a system on their PC's that is going to be 
compatible with specific MS software, does any one here know about that?

TIA, regards, Keren



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RE: [LegacyUG] Quarter dates

[glove]

Title: Quarter dates








Or Q3 1932

Graham

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Coward
Sent: 13 October 2006 13:37
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Quarter
dates



 



SEP Q 1932





 





Chris





 







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From: Peter Holmes






To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com






Sent: Friday, October
13, 2006 1:02 PM





Subject: [LegacyUG] Quarter
dates





 



G’day,


I’ve
been away from the genealogy section of my PC for some 4 months and have
forgotten …

How
do I encode a marriage date that is in the 1932 Sept.
qtr
index for Spalding in England?

Thanks,

Peter Holmes

Western
  Australia

[HOLMES (Witham on the Hill, Pinchbeck,
Donington & then Leicestershire), DAVISON (Donington), CRAGG
(Leicestershire & Nottinghamshire), RYLOTT & WITHERINGTON (Gosberton,
Gosberton Clough)] [Villages are in Lincolnshire.]

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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationship issue

[ronald ferguson]

'Fraid not next version.

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From: Myrna Jorgensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationship issue
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:43:49 -0500

Hello Listers,
I was wondering if the problem with the relationship
calculator has been resolved. Have not seen anything lately and
thought I may have missed it. Since the problem developed I have
added lots of new info but don't want to redo the calculations
until the problem is fixed.
Regards,
Myrna
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RE: [LegacyUG] RTFs, PDFs and layouts-Word vs WP| Now Image placement in WordPerfect.

[Jennie Goodwin]

Peter:

Would you consider sending this to Geoff to be
included in the Tips part of Legacy News?  It is
certainly appropriate, and is also clear and
comprehensive.  As I write this there have been no
corrections or additions submitted . . .

Jennie

--- Peter Haughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've now looked at how images in Legacy rtf file
> output
> are placed and imported into WordPerfect. To
> describe
> how you resize and position these images in
> WordPerfect
> I need several points/suggestions of introduction.
> 
> I suggest you NEVER try to drag images to reposition
> or
> resize them.
> 
> Images are placed in an "image box". When you click
> on
> the image and it is selected, you are selecting the
> box.
> 
> The image box is located on the page in one of three
> ways: It is attached to a character, a paragraph, or
> a
> page. Unfortunately, the rtf input conversion
> chooses
> attachment to a character, which for nearly ALL uses
> is totally inappropriate. The conversion also sets
> the
> option that the image box changes the text line
> height
> to match the image box height. Consequently, you
> will
> never be able to get text to wrap, or reposition the
> image box. TO OVERCOME this POSITIONING, right-
> click on the image box, choose Position..., and
> change
> the Attach box to EITHER Paragraph or Page. Until
> you
> learn the consequences, I suggest you use Paragraph.
> Play with the Horizontal and Vertical position
> parameters
> to understand how they work. ALWAYS use these to
> move the image around.
> 
> rtf import will (from what I have seen so far) set
> the
> image to its original size.
> Use Box Size (Right-click, choose Size...) to CHANGE
> THE SIZE of your image. Set EITHER the Width OR
> the Height, NOT BOTH. The other should always be set
> to Maintain proportions (unless you wish to
> specifically
> distort an image). The Full option will make the
> size of
> the image stretch to the full page margin width or
> height.
> To see the original size of the image, choose
> Maintain
> proportions for both width and height.
> 
> From the right-click menu you can set borders on the
> image, how text wraps around it, the caption and
> where
> it is placed, and so on. Under the border/fill
> option, you
> can set the internal and external spacing in the
> image box,
> that is the space between the image and a border,
> and
> the spacing between the border and any wrapping
> text.
> 
> Finally, if you do not like any of the defaults
> (like the
> border, box spacing, default size, ... you can edit
> the
> image box style to suit yourself. For example, I
> THINK
> inserted images by default come with some sort of
> border. I do not like this, and MY default is NO
> border,
> and my images come in that way.
> 
> Good luck.  Peter
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
>
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Peter
> > Haughton
> > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:00 PM
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> > Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] RTFs, PDFs and
> layouts-Word vs WP
> >
> >
> > I'd actually like to have the time to investigate
> how
> > an rtf file WITH images converts into WordPerfect,
> > but I don't. So I don't know how it positions the
> > images at all. In WP you should be able to right-
> > click on an image and choos from a list: position,
> > wrap, content, size ... and lots of others.
> >
> > I don't like the way the WP programmer(s)
> > wrote the rtf to wpd (WordPerfectDocument) text
> > conversion, but with a little knowledge of WP it's
> > easy to overcome to return to a standard form.
> > Placing images in existing text is easy. You can
> set
> > up WP with your own default preferences for the
> > attributes of the image when you insert it or
> paste
> > it in. And as you are having problems, overcome
> > them by doing it this way.
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
>
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Alastair
> > > Lack
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 9:20 AM
> > > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> > > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] RTFs, PDFs and
> layouts-Word vs WP
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, this is a problem I've been battling with
> also. Looking back at
> > > previous mails I see that Herb Palm wrote:
> > >
> > > That's where you select the option, BUT my
> results when viewing the .rtf
> > > file in Word Perfect is less than desirable. 
> Some pictures are in the
> > > middle of the page.  Then every other one is
> tight against the left
> > > margin and difficult to move.  Simply dragging
> would not do it.  I had
> > > to put spaces in front of it making centering a
> hard thing to judge.
> > > One picture came out virtually big enough to
> fill the page margin
> > > to margin.
> > > My option - do it manually.  It's easier than
> moving, resizing
> > > pictures.  Beside you'd have to do some manual
> work anyway if you add
> > > more that one picture per individua

Re: [LegacyUG] merging online sources

[Dale Castle]

Melanie, If I am understanding what you are asking. 
I was suprised myself, when last night I clicked on Internet at the top line of 
the Legacy display ( I subscribe to Ancestry.com) . and it displayed 
several of the on line subscription sites. If you have say your grandmothers 
family in the main display, it will go to Ancestry site and search 
(automatically) for that grandmother. It is pretty neat. Tho have not 
tried to merge any info. that I have found.
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Melanie 
  
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:35 
  AM
  Subject: [LegacyUG] merging online 
  sources
  
  
  Hi, I used to use Family Tree 
  Maker (FTM) but switched for many reasons. What I did like about FTM was 
  searching for sources online (specifically ancestry.com) then being able to 
  merge that info (census record, birth or death record, etc) right into my 
  family tree. I could merge the individual and if it listed family members then 
  I could merge them as well. I haven’t been able to locate the same tool with 
  Legacy. I am really liking Legacy but there is so much to learn! Does Legacy 
  Deluxe Edition have a search option similar to what I was using with FTM? 
  Since FTM is the preferred software that ancestry.com promotes I assume that 
  means you can only merge sources if you use FTM? Anyone else used FTM? I was 
  thinking, maybe I’ll use FTM, merge the sources, create a gedcom, import 
  gedcom to legacy, but too many steps!
   
  Any help greatly 
  appreciated!
   
  Melanie
   
   
   
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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy is freezing

[Sherry/Support]

Ron,

Anything's possible!  It could be related to another program running also!
Been there, done that with freezing issues and it can be a real pain to
figure out what's going on!

Personally, I'd never leave a program open for 6-8 hours if I'm not using
it.  I've had too many freezing problems and power outages to risk files
getting corrupted!  About the only thing that remains open is my instant
messenger program.


Thanks for using Legacy.

Sherry
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ronald
ferguson
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 8:55 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy is freezing

Sherry,

Just a thought, but is it possible that this is a Windows problem rather
than Legacy's. I have recently found this happening with other programs and
am beginning to wonder if it's connected with a Windows Update.

Ron Ferguson


>From: "Sherry/Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>To: 
>Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy is freezing
>Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:06:22 -0700
>
>I'll respond off list.  This type of issue is best sent direct to 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Thanks for using Legacy.
>
>Sherry
>Customer Support
>Millennia Corporation
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
>
>We are changing the world of genealogy!
>
>When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence.
>Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn 
>Crowley
>Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:26 AM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy is freezing
>
>
>My computer screen typically has Legacy open at any given time.  
>Several members of my household each use it pretty much daily.  I 
>recently downloaded version 6.0.0.110 deluxe.  Since that download, Legacy
freezes.
>It's fine when first opened and used off and on for several hours, but 
>if it sits idle for, oh, 6-8 hours, then when we click on the button on 
>the taskbar to bring up Legacy nothing happens.
>
>
>
>*  We do control-alt-delete, which states that the program is not
>responding.
>
>*  We select to end task.
>
>*  Then we go to start and click on the Legacy icon.  The program
>starts again with no trouble.
>
>
>Also, Our latest database, started just last week, does not show up 
>when we click on "file", but is on the list for "open family file".  
>All data seems to be there for the various files.  I suspect that this 
>may be related to the freezing problem, since we probably have not 
>properly exited the program.
>
>I have run "file maintenance" several times, but that doesn't change 
>anything.
>
>Other info:
>plenty of memory
>computer is about 2 years old
>windows XP, home editition, version 2002 Legacy deluxe



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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy is freezing

[Mary Young]

Do you have an alarm set within Legacy? I had this problem a long time ago, once I disabled the alarm I had no trouble.Regards,Mary



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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationship issue

[Jack Earnshaw]

Hi Myrna

Last message said it was fixed, but there hasn't been a release since then
(they were swanning around on the cruise and then presumably catching
up!!:) )

I'm in the same position of not wanting to redo the calculations and lose my
"half" relations


Jack

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Myrna
Jorgensen
Sent: 13 October 2006 16:44
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationship issue


Hello Listers,
I was wondering if the problem with the relationship
calculator has been resolved. Have not seen anything lately and
thought I may have missed it. Since the problem developed I have
added lots of new info but don't want to redo the calculations
until the problem is fixed.
Regards,
Myrna
from sunny, warm, Mexico



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Re: [LegacyUG] Unable to open Legacy 5.0

[Wilbur & Faye Cleveland]

Sherry:

When I right click on the shortcut on my desktop. as you suggest, it shows 
in Type of File "Legacy Genealogy Software".  On the line that says>

(open with), it has the same words.

My problem began with I tried to "Click and Drag" my files to a CD as a 
backup.


The error message reads:"Error Opening database."  The message inside the 
box reads. "Unrecognized database format. C\Documents and Settings\Wilbur 
Cleveland\local settings application data\Microsoft CD burning\Cleveland 
Family .fdb.


Any suggestions?

Wilbur Cleveland

Subject: [LegacyUG] Unable to open Legacy 5.0




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[LegacyUG] Individual/Master Events

[Jenny M Benson]

I notice that in the GEDCOM Export dialogue box there are options to 
"export Private individual events" and "export Private master events."


What exactly is the significance of "individual" and "master" in this 
context?  I'm guessing it refers to events that were assigned to 
individuals and events that appeared in the master list, but had not 
been assigned, but I can't see why an "unused" event would appear in a 
GEDCOM.

--
Jenny M Benson



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Re: [LegacyUG] Entering source details

[Dawn Crowley]

Great idea!  I am trying to teach my children the importance of
entering the source, not just the "exciting part" of newly found
information.  Providing them with a template to follow would make this
much easier and enjoyable for them now, and more useful for all
concerned in the future.

Legacy is an outstanding program to use.  I sat my eleven year-old son
in front of the computer with pertinent census screens on the taskbar,
and he went to town creating his own database for his genealogy merit
badge. 

Dawn

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Someone may have already mentioned this but, after I watched the
training videos and reviewed Evidence for citation examples, I spent a
bit of time coming up with citations for the various censuses (in my
case USA and Canada), WWI draft registrations, SSDI information, etc.,
and typed them up in a Word document.  I also made format examples for
the information I input for source detail for each particular census. 
Now when I review any "documents/indices" and want to input them as an
event, I use the clipboard and copy/paste the formats from the Word
document (I have the Legacy program open and my Word document open). 
Although it is a bit of back and forth with the alt and tab keys, the
format stays consistent and the actual template has blanks for what
needs to be filled in and has been spell-checked. 
   
  I am sure there is an easier way but this system works for me.  
  
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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy is freezing

[ronald ferguson]

Sherry,

Just a thought, but is it possible that this is a Windows problem rather 
than Legacy's. I have recently found this happening with other programs and 
am beginning to wonder if it's connected with a Windows Update.


Ron Ferguson



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From: "Sherry/Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
To: 
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy is freezing
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:06:22 -0700

I'll respond off list.  This type of issue is best sent direct to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks for using Legacy.

Sherry
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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We are changing the world of genealogy!

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Thanks.




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn
Crowley
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:26 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy is freezing


My computer screen typically has Legacy open at any given time.  Several
members of my household each use it pretty much daily.  I recently
downloaded version 6.0.0.110 deluxe.  Since that download, Legacy freezes.
It's fine when first opened and used off and on for several hours, but if 
it

sits idle for, oh, 6-8 hours, then when we click on the button on the
taskbar to bring up Legacy nothing happens.



*   We do control-alt-delete, which states that the program is not
responding.

*   We select to end task.

*   Then we go to start and click on the Legacy icon.  The program
starts again with no trouble.


Also, Our latest database, started just last week, does not show up when we
click on "file", but is on the list for "open family file".  All data seems
to be there for the various files.  I suspect that this may be related to
the freezing problem, since we probably have not properly exited the
program.

I have run "file maintenance" several times, but that doesn't change
anything.

Other info:
plenty of memory
computer is about 2 years old
windows XP, home editition, version 2002
Legacy deluxe


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[LegacyUG] Relationship issue

[Myrna Jorgensen]

Hello Listers,
I was wondering if the problem with the relationship 
calculator has been resolved. Have not seen anything lately and 
thought I may have missed it. Since the problem developed I have 
added lots of new info but don't want to redo the calculations 
until the problem is fixed.
Regards,
Myrna
from sunny, warm, Mexico 



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Re: [LegacyUG] Entering source details

[MurKeo01]

Someone may have already mentioned this but, after I watched the training 
videos and reviewed Evidence for citation examples, I spent a bit of time coming 
up with citations for the various censuses (in my case USA and Canada), WWI 
draft registrations, SSDI information, etc., and typed them up in a Word 
document.  I also made format examples for the information I input for 
source detail for each particular census.  Now when I review any 
"documents/indices" and want to input them as an event, I use the clipboard and 
copy/paste the formats from the Word document (I have the Legacy program open 
and my Word document open).  Although it is a bit of back and forth with 
the alt and tab keys, the format stays consistent and the actual template has 
blanks for what needs to be filled in and has been spell-checked. 
 
I am sure there is an easier way but this system works for me.  




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Re: [LegacyUG] Unable to open Legacy 5.0

[Wilbur & Faye Cleveland]

Hi Sherry:

I believe my problem started when I tried to "click and drag" my files to a 
CD, for back up.  I haven't been able to open the files since.


Here is what I am getting:

When I click on the "Cleveland Family"
short cut on my desk top, I get an error message which reads:

"Error Opening Database"
  Unrecognized database format.
C\Documents and settings\Wilbur Cleveland\locale settings\application 
data\Microsoft CD Burning\Cleveland Family .fdb.


When I click on the Legacy Icon on my desktop, I get a Windown with a 
heading
Open Family File at the top.  Drop down box has "Desktop", in the Window are 
the files on my desktop.  At the bottom, the top drop down box ask for "file 
name".  The second drop down box has "legacy (."fdb) in it.


My Daughter set up the 5.0 program originally on my hard drive.  Now, it 
is

asking for a user name and password to open.  Can you check and see if she
put a password in when the program was first installed?

Does the "free" use of 5.0 expire after so Long?  I tried to update to 6.0
and now my program guide in the Control Panel shows I have both 5.0 and 
6.0.


Can you help me, before I slash both wrist?

Wilbur Cleveland
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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy is freezing

[Sherry/Support]

I'll respond off list.  This type of issue is best sent direct to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks for using Legacy.

Sherry
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thanks.
   



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn
Crowley
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:26 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy is freezing


My computer screen typically has Legacy open at any given time.  Several
members of my household each use it pretty much daily.  I recently
downloaded version 6.0.0.110 deluxe.  Since that download, Legacy freezes.
It's fine when first opened and used off and on for several hours, but if it
sits idle for, oh, 6-8 hours, then when we click on the button on the
taskbar to bring up Legacy nothing happens.  



*   We do control-alt-delete, which states that the program is not
responding.  

*   We select to end task.  

*   Then we go to start and click on the Legacy icon.  The program
starts again with no trouble.


Also, Our latest database, started just last week, does not show up when we
click on "file", but is on the list for "open family file".  All data seems
to be there for the various files.  I suspect that this may be related to
the freezing problem, since we probably have not properly exited the
program.

I have run "file maintenance" several times, but that doesn't change
anything. 

Other info:
plenty of memory
computer is about 2 years old
windows XP, home editition, version 2002
Legacy deluxe



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RE: [LegacyUG] Latest version problem

[Sherry/Support]

 John,

Did you leave a phone message?  I don't have anything by email other than a
request for the database schema which was forwarded to the appropriate party
for response.

Did you do a File > File Maintenance > Check/Repair?

Thanks for using Legacy.

Sherry
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
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Thanks.
  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John
Kaufmann
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:52 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@mail.millenniacorp.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Latest version problem

Installed latest update. A couple days later I tried the name list -
nothing. Tried the house for address - nothing. Tried the personnel info -
nothing.

When I checked the Access databse, the addresses were there.

Left a tech support msg, but no response.

What to do??
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John C. Kaufmann
1805 Beverly Drive
Lancaster, PA   17601
717-569-2298
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[LegacyUG] Legacy is freezing

[Dawn Crowley]

My computer screen typically has Legacy open at any given time. 
Several members of my household each use it pretty much daily.  I
recently downloaded version 6.0.0.110 deluxe.  Since that download,
Legacy freezes.  It's fine when first opened and used off and on for
several hours, but if it sits idle for, oh, 6-8 hours, then when we
click on the button on the taskbar to bring up Legacy nothing happens. 



  We do control-alt-delete, which states that the program is not
responding.  
  
  We select to end task.  
  
  Then we go to start and click on the Legacy icon.  The program
starts again with no trouble.
  

Also, Our latest database, started just last week, does not show up
when we click on "file", but is on the list for "open family file". 
All data seems to be there for the various files.  I suspect that this
may be related to the freezing problem, since we probably have not
properly exited the program.

I have run "file maintenance" several times, but that doesn't change
anything. 

Other info:
plenty of memory
computer is about 2 years old
windows XP, home editition, version 2002
Legacy deluxe










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Re: [LegacyUG] Entering source details

[malkajef]

An apology:
As the user who started this thread I wish to issue an apology and a
clarification. In no way was I intending to start a flame. For what it is
worth, I think Legacy is a superb genealogy program. It has numerous
features that make it an excellent choice for any genealogist irrespective
of experience.

I also do not wish to leave the impression that it is not structured
properly.  In fact it is beautifully structured and has numerous terrific
features not least of which are its logical and easy interface, its great
ability to be customized, the extremely useful clipboard, and many others.
I even like the fact that it uses Access tables, because it is likely that
Access will remain viable for years to come which will not necessarily be
true of proprietary genealogical databases. My remarks were only directed at
the source entry screens which - at least for me - I find somewhat too
unstructured and prone to confusion (for me), so that it is not always clear
what data should fit where in the numerous source fields. Perhaps it is just
that the field titles need to be made clearer for users like me.

The need to use a external crib sheet for data entry has been mentioned and
indeed I have created one for my own source entry fields to provide
consistency, but that should not be necessary.  No crib sheet is necessary
to remember where the names, birth details, date of death or children's
names go, and with a little rework the same may be true for the source
module. Perhaps it is just a matter of clarifying the titles of the present
source fields.  Or, in the interest of keeping it very customizable, maybe
users could be given the ability to add some text to the field titles which
would remind the user how he/she uses this field and what data the user
wishes to enter there (a "built in" cribsheet).

All in all this is an excellent program and I apologize, especially to the
programmers, if I have in any way implied otherwise. That was not my intent.

Jeff



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[LegacyUG] Latest version problem

[John Kaufmann]

Installed latest update. A couple days later I tried the name list - 
nothing. Tried the house for address - nothing. Tried the personnel info - 
nothing.


When I checked the Access databse, the addresses were there.

Left a tech support msg, but no response.

What to do??
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Re: [LegacyUG] Quarter dates

[Chris Coward]

Title: Quarter dates



SEP Q 1932
 
Chris
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Peter 
  Holmes 
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com 
  
  Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:02 
  PM
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Quarter dates
  
  G’day, 
  I’ve been away from the genealogy section of my PC for some 4 months and have 
  forgotten …
  How do I encode a marriage 
  date that is in the 
  1932 Sept. 
  qtr index for Spalding in 
  England?
  Thanks,
  Peter Holmes
  Western 
  Australia
  [HOLMES 
  (Witham on the Hill, Pinchbeck, Donington & then Leicestershire), DAVISON 
  (Donington), CRAGG (Leicestershire & Nottinghamshire), RYLOTT & 
  WITHERINGTON (Gosberton, Gosberton Clough)] [Villages are in 
  Lincolnshire.]
  
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[LegacyUG] Quarter dates

[Peter Holmes]

Title: Quarter dates






G’day, 

I’ve been away from the genealogy section of my PC for some 4 months and have forgotten …

How do I encode a marriage date that is in the 1932 Sept. qtr index for Spalding in England?

Thanks,

Peter Holmes

Western Australia

[HOLMES (Witham on the Hill, Pinchbeck, Donington & then Leicestershire), DAVISON (Donington), CRAGG (Leicestershire & Nottinghamshire), RYLOTT & WITHERINGTON (Gosberton, Gosberton Clough)] [Villages are in Lincolnshire.]







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Re: [LegacyUG] Entering source details

[Ron Bernier]

Title: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering source details


  
  
 Jeff,I don't intend this to be a flame, but the gist of your message(s) seemsto be that you don't want to put any effort/thought into how you enteryour information.  I get the impression that you want to be a "robot"who just fill in the blanks.To someone who is just joining the Legacy User Group and may just bestarting to use the Legacy software, you make it sound like Legacy hasno structure and that one can haphazardly enter information anywherewith no rhyme or reason.  This simply is not the case.  Legacy is verystructured, but it is also very flexible which allows the user to decidehow the user wants their information to be presented.  I appreciate thatyou want to be consitent in how you enter your data, but that is yourresponsibility to be consistent.  I don't want any software, whether itbe Legacy or any other program, to dictate how I have to enter myinformation.  I want the flexibility to enter data the way I want topresent and not the way the developer decided my data should bepresented.Regards,Ron Bernier   > Deciding how you want the output to appear when you have no idea how the > program uses the data is, in my opinion, doing it backwards and asking> too > much of the user. I think these are 2 different functions.   The data> should > be entered in a way that ensures its integrity and allows it to be shared > through useable shareable gedcoms.  That should be the function of the> data > entry fields and why standards are created. At present if someone else> gave > me his Legacy file of my family to merge with mine, I can imagine the > disaster that would ensue because the data was not entered in any> consistent > fashion.> > The output is a separate thing altogether. The report module should "use" > the data that was entered in a standard way and then manipulate it and > format it to produce the different reports and outputs.  That is the > function of the report module. If the data is entered in different ways> by > different users, there is no way any report module or gedcom can produce > reproducible reports, or, for the programmers to create a report module> that > will consistently do what the user expects it to.> > Just my opinion. YMMV (your mileage may vary).> > Jeff> > - Original Message - > From: "Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:27 PM> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering source details> > > > malkajef wrote:> >> ... without prompts I cannot always remember exactly how or where to > >> enter this or that data if there is no clearly suggested path.> > The proper place to enter information will vary from one user to another. > > There is NO logical conclusion that will work for everyone.  The extreme > > flexibility provided in Legacy is one its strongest points.  Each user > > must decide on their own standards and then learn to stick to them when > > entering their data.> >> >> a user should not have to discover logical entry paths from scratch when > >> a few guidelines would suggest a logical way to do something and avoid a > >> lot of unnecessary rework.> > But the user MUST decide for himself which method to use to get his > > desired results.  Others who want different results will have to use > > different methods.  As Elizabeth is constantly reminding us, you must > > decide what you want your output to look like before you can figure out > > how to enter your input.  I didn't do that initially, and after finally > > checking a bunch of the reports, I had to go back and adjust a lot of my > > data to create output that I could live with.> >> >> It now seems clear to me that census is best not used as an event, but > >> obviously that is not automatically evident to a new user> > That may work for you, but it is not a universal answer that will serve > > every new user well.  As above, it depends totally on what you want to see > > in your output.> >> >> >> >> >> > Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: > > www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp> >> > To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: > > www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/> >> > For online technical support, please visit > > www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp> >> > To unsubscribe please visit: > > www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp> >> >> > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at:> www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp> > To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at:> www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/> > For online technical support, please visit> www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp> > To unsubscribe please visit:> www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp> > -- Ron BernierWoonsocket, RI
  




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Re: [LegacyUG] Entering source details

[Ron Bernier]

Instead of saying the program should guide you on how you should enter
your information,(I prefer to make my own decisions), why not discover
on your on own what works best for you.  Then, take screenshots of what
you have done.  You can save your screenshots and you will have created
your own guide of what works best for you.  Best of all, you don't have
to remember how you entered an event/source.  You can refer to your own
personal guide at any time.

Regards,
Ron Bernier




On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:41:26 -0400, "malkajef" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> Well, I for one have purchased all of Geoff's videos and they are
> excellent.  I strongly recommend them to all because they reveal all
> sorts of capabilities one would not otherwise know about. (As Nick says,
> the sources video is not comprehensive enough). However, I do think that,
> as I've already written, there has to be more direction - within the
> program itself - that guides the user in entering sources. One can always
> put data wherever one wishes, but that will mess up both reports and
> gedcoms that may be unusable to others using other programs.  There needs
> to be a standardized way of entering data that follows genealogical best
> practices. 
> 
> The 'one size fits all' source system that essentially leaves it to the
> user to fit the sources wherever he can or wishes is less than ideal. 
> Which is a shame because this is an excellent program otherwise.  Maybe
> we need to wait for version 7? On the other hand since Legacy is based on
> MS Access, maybe it is just too complicated to create multiple source
> types within Access tables, which may be is why only one set of fields
> were chosen. I do not know.
> 
> I am almost ready to reluctantly give up on Legacy.
> 
> Jeff
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Nicholas Cirillo 
>   To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:17 PM
>   Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering source details
> 
> 
>   I feel I need to weigh in here. I suspect 40% of the entries on this
>   list are, in one way or another, related to recording sources. As a
>   relatively new genealogist, I picked up Legacy on recommendations. I
>   did not know the importance of formatting sources and how there were
>   standards to meet should one want to publish, etc. The software itself
>   was mostly silent as to the "correct" way to cite sources. You needed
>   to buy a CD to get a tutorial on sourcing, and, with apologies to
>   Goeff, this was inadequate to the task.
>   I love Legacy. I would not give it up for almost anything. However,
>   having to analyze each entry on the Individual Report to hopefully get
>   it close to "standard" is at least annoying. I feel this can be
>   programmed in a way that the information is easy, and intuitive, to
>   enter and meets the standards for further publication of the work.
>   Nick Cirillo
>   Fairfax VA
> 
>   malkajef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Liz
> 
> Yes, although I am very experienced at genealogy, I 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Entering source details

[ronald ferguson]

Firstly, in the UK we do not have all those fields on our census returns (It 
would be considered far too intrusive) and hence I would not want them 
anywhere near my computer - Legacy is big enough as it is.


By using the census as a source then the details you specify would be events 
(or facts) and it is easy using the source clip boad to link the census to 
whichever event is applicable. Thus, for eg. in the case you mention, the 
Master Source would be "USA Government" (or whatever) and the detail "19-WD 
PHILADELPHIA; Series: T624 Roll: 1393 Page: 255
Enumeration district ..., sheet # ". You may have noticed that some 
people do also attach the full detail to the head of the household.


WRT Gedcoms, I have yet to come across a problem of creating Gedcoms in 
Legacy and the recipient being unable to read it correctly, be it an 
individual or a site such as Ancestry or Rootsweb. I do try, though, to use 
the output format which is most applicable to the recipient.


My web site comprises two independently compiled Legacy Trees. Whilst we 
both use censuses as a source the actual way in which we use them differs 
with little effect on the html output. Where I have imported a Gedcom then 
the format of those pages can differ but as long as it's clear does it 
really matter? In my view, not much - and if I am concerned I can always 
rearrange the data.


With respect to other events/sources we both have our own way of doing 
things and again there is little difference to the web output. A long time 
ago we agreed to settle for inputting and arranging data in ways with which 
we, as individuals, were most comfortable and to date have no reason to 
regret this. I repeat, I regard this flexibility as an asset.




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From: "malkajef" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
To: 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering source details
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:06:40 -0400

...

I therefore like to enter all this data "somewhere" (I now think in the
source detail) using a template that I fill for the individual in question.
Here is the template (taken from a blank census form because it is more
legible) for a 1910 census. Because it is a lot of info, it seems redundant
to put all this in 2 places and yet I think it should all be together in 
one
place for that person, so the next researcher does not need to redo all 
that

work again.  Can't the report module find it from one identified standard
location?

example:
"19-WD PHILADELPHIA; Series: T624 Roll: 1393 Page: 255"
Enumeration district ..., sheet # 
(No of) people listed: names ..
Relationship to head of family:
Sex:
Race:
Age:
Marital status:
Number of years married:
Mother of how many children:
Place of birth:
Place of birth of father:
Place of birth of mother:
Years of immigration to the US:
Naturalized or Alien:
Language spoken:
Occupation:
Nature of trade:
Employer, worker, or own account:
No. of months not employed:
Can read and write:
Attending school:
Property owned or rented:
Owned free of mortgage:
Farm or house:
Veteran of Civil War:
Blind or deaf-mute:

The tips site is very helpful, but that information should really be
incorporated into the program itself in the nature of specialized fields.
For instance if one enters the source "type" as census, the screen should
change to present fields specific to a census sheet (enumeration district,
page # etc). If the type is an archival document, the entry fields titles
should also change accordingly guiding the user to enter the proper
information.  That is what I believe is presently lacking in Legacy but
could be incorporated by the programmers.

Like I said, it is a great genealogy program, but it could be improved in a
couple of places to make it better. I do not wish to dissuade anyone from
using it. On the contrary, I just would like it to be better - as I am sure
it will.

Jeff


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Re: [LegacyUG] Entering source details

[GSS]

What you are suggesting (templating sources) is a route that the
program Generations took quite a few years ago. It is something that I
really like and why Generations is my main program. My problem is that
Generations has been bought by the same company that gives us FTM,
Ancestry etc and they are no longer supporting it - at the moment it
is working OK but with ever increasing updates for Windows plus other
utilities means that eventually it is going to pack up completely. I
would love to transport all my data across to Legacy and use that now
as my main program but because I have entered all my sources in this
"formatted way" I cannot "Gedcom" them to any program without loosing
all my source details. Gedcom works fine for names/dates etc but will
not transfer my sources as the Gedcom standard does not support this
change to the way sources are handled. (I also belong to a Generations
Users group and there are a number of us (some with great programming
skills) with this problem but it seems completely unsolvable other
than at some stage to re-enter/massage our sources, however as I have
more than three times as many sources as people and have now got quite
a few thousand in my tree the thought of that amount of work at the
moment is not high on my agenda.

Gillian

- Original Message - 
From: "malkajef" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering source details


> FWIW, an experienced genealogist can extract and enter a lot more
than just
> the 'residence' in a census event.  A census sheet provides a lot of
> information. For example for a 1910 census one can determine:
residence, age
> (therefore approx. date of birth), where born and where parents were
born,
> occupation and place of work, home ownership or rental, # and names
of
> children, age of children, sometimes relatives living with them,
languages
> spoken, date of immigration and whether naturalized or still alien,
how long
> married, etc. etc.).
>
> I therefore like to enter all this data "somewhere" (I now think in
the
> source detail) using a template that I fill for the individual in
question.
> Here is the template (taken from a blank census form because it is
more
> legible) for a 1910 census. Because it is a lot of info, it seems
redundant
> to put all this in 2 places and yet I think it should all be
together in one
> place for that person, so the next researcher does not need to redo
all that
> work again.  Can't the report module find it from one identified
standard
> location?
>
> example:
> "19-WD PHILADELPHIA; Series: T624 Roll: 1393 Page: 255"
> Enumeration district ..., sheet # 
> (No of) people listed: names ..
> Relationship to head of family:
> Sex:
> Race:
> Age:
> Marital status:
> Number of years married:
> Mother of how many children:
> Place of birth:
> Place of birth of father:
> Place of birth of mother:
> Years of immigration to the US:
> Naturalized or Alien:
> Language spoken:
> Occupation:
> Nature of trade:
> Employer, worker, or own account:
> No. of months not employed:
> Can read and write:
> Attending school:
> Property owned or rented:
> Owned free of mortgage:
> Farm or house:
> Veteran of Civil War:
> Blind or deaf-mute:
>
> The tips site is very helpful, but that information should really be
> incorporated into the program itself in the nature of specialized
fields.
> For instance if one enters the source "type" as census, the screen
should
> change to present fields specific to a census sheet (enumeration
district,
> page # etc). If the type is an archival document, the entry fields
titles
> should also change accordingly guiding the user to enter the proper
> information.  That is what I believe is presently lacking in Legacy
but
> could be incorporated by the programmers.
>
> Like I said, it is a great genealogy program, but it could be
improved in a
> couple of places to make it better. I do not wish to dissuade anyone
from
> using it. On the contrary, I just would like it to be better - as I
am sure
> it will.
>
> Jeff
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Geoff Rasmussen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:35 PM
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Entering source details
>
>
> Before my airplane takes off, let me share a few thoughts
>
> First, to respond to how to record a census. I do add census
information to
> an event, although a census is more of a source. However, because
that
> census event has been entered, it will appear on the chronology
showing me a
> date and a place where a person lived. If I called the event
"Residence"
> instead, that would probably work okay too, but, because it has the
term of
> "census", I can easily see in the person's chronology if I have
identified
> him in the census or not. Not true with the residence event.
>
> I also personally enter the transcription of the census in more than
one
> place: in the census event's notes and in the detail text of the
source.
> W

Re: [LegacyUG] Entering source details

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

That is one of the reasons I created over 60 Census
types I have a code for year and country: CenC1841 =
Canada Census 1841. I have many census records of
multiple families in the same counties and/or
townships. In Norway, all three hundred people in one
area are related to me. what I do is transcrige each
'page' into the Source text, the copy each individual
line to the correct source detail. When I first
started I had my plan on scrap paper on the desk until
I remembered the plan when returning to the next
session. You may not need this, but some of us have
more people we choose to keep track of.
IMHO, you might want to print out a few sources, to
leave out as reference to what you wish to match. This
should cut down or eliminate the confusion. It took me
a while to be consistant, and I still mess up
occasionally.
Rich

--- malkajef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I personally (maybe it is me) find entering source
> details confusing and 
> prone to error and inconsistency.
> 
> For instance in entering census data for an
> individual there seems to be 2 
> places where one might inadvertently enter the
> details of what is on the 
> census sheet.
> a) in the event notes
> b) in the detail text of the assigned source.
> 
> Obviously the latter would be preferred (I think).
> 
> The confusion (for me) arises because, before
> applying a source, one needs 
> to enter an event to assign that source to and only
> then does the source 
> detail field become available.  While entering the
> event, it is therefore 
> tempting to enter the details in the Notes section,
> especially if the event 
> is labeled "Census". Because of this I've sometimes
> entered the census text 
> details in one and sometimes in the other - which
> will obviously create 
> problems with the reports.
> 
> It might be useful (SUGGESTION) for Legacy to
> somehow 'remind' the user by 
> either better guiding the user through the available
> field labels (and 
> better flow of data entry). Actually as has been
> mentioned in an earlier 
> thread, the entire sources module in Legacy badly
> needs to be reworked to 
> "guide" the user better as many other software
> programs do. At present, the 
> user has to work within a book source data fields
> and the entire system is 
> awkward and prone top inconsistency.
> 
> Now, I have to find the census details I entered in
> (a) and those I entered 
> in (b) so I can make them consistent and that is
> going to be a problem!  Any 
> advice appreciated.
> 
> Jeff
> P.S. If Legacy permitted the user to modify the
> titles of some of the 
> fields, the user could add his/her own reminders to
> avoid such problems till 
> Legacy changes things. 
> 
> 
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Re: [LegacyUG] RTFs, PDFs and layouts-Word vs WP| Now Image placement in WordPerfect.

[Mary Young]

Peter, thanks for your clear exposition of how to handle images in Legacy rtf files in WP, it brings back happy memories.. Guess I'd better bite the bullet, re-install WP and give it a whirl. I really, really hate Word so this is a good excuse to widen my options. 
Regards,Mary Young



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RE: [LegacyUG] RTFs, PDFs and layouts-Word vs WP| Now Image placement in WordPerfect.

[Peter Haughton]

I've now looked at how images in Legacy rtf file output
are placed and imported into WordPerfect. To describe
how you resize and position these images in WordPerfect
I need several points/suggestions of introduction.

I suggest you NEVER try to drag images to reposition or
resize them.

Images are placed in an "image box". When you click on
the image and it is selected, you are selecting the box.

The image box is located on the page in one of three
ways: It is attached to a character, a paragraph, or a
page. Unfortunately, the rtf input conversion chooses
attachment to a character, which for nearly ALL uses
is totally inappropriate. The conversion also sets the
option that the image box changes the text line height
to match the image box height. Consequently, you will
never be able to get text to wrap, or reposition the
image box. TO OVERCOME this POSITIONING, right-
click on the image box, choose Position..., and change
the Attach box to EITHER Paragraph or Page. Until you
learn the consequences, I suggest you use Paragraph.
Play with the Horizontal and Vertical position parameters
to understand how they work. ALWAYS use these to
move the image around.

rtf import will (from what I have seen so far) set the
image to its original size.
Use Box Size (Right-click, choose Size...) to CHANGE
THE SIZE of your image. Set EITHER the Width OR
the Height, NOT BOTH. The other should always be set
to Maintain proportions (unless you wish to specifically
distort an image). The Full option will make the size of
the image stretch to the full page margin width or height.
To see the original size of the image, choose Maintain
proportions for both width and height.

>From the right-click menu you can set borders on the
image, how text wraps around it, the caption and where
it is placed, and so on. Under the border/fill option, you
can set the internal and external spacing in the image box,
that is the space between the image and a border, and
the spacing between the border and any wrapping text.

Finally, if you do not like any of the defaults (like the
border, box spacing, default size, ... you can edit the
image box style to suit yourself. For example, I THINK
inserted images by default come with some sort of
border. I do not like this, and MY default is NO border,
and my images come in that way.

Good luck.  Peter

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter
> Haughton
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 7:00 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] RTFs, PDFs and layouts-Word vs WP
>
>
> I'd actually like to have the time to investigate how
> an rtf file WITH images converts into WordPerfect,
> but I don't. So I don't know how it positions the
> images at all. In WP you should be able to right-
> click on an image and choos from a list: position,
> wrap, content, size ... and lots of others.
>
> I don't like the way the WP programmer(s)
> wrote the rtf to wpd (WordPerfectDocument) text
> conversion, but with a little knowledge of WP it's
> easy to overcome to return to a standard form.
> Placing images in existing text is easy. You can set
> up WP with your own default preferences for the
> attributes of the image when you insert it or paste
> it in. And as you are having problems, overcome
> them by doing it this way.
> Peter
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Alastair
> > Lack
> > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 9:20 AM
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] RTFs, PDFs and layouts-Word vs WP
> >
> >
> > Well, this is a problem I've been battling with also. Looking back at
> > previous mails I see that Herb Palm wrote:
> >
> > That's where you select the option, BUT my results when viewing the .rtf
> > file in Word Perfect is less than desirable.  Some pictures are in the
> > middle of the page.  Then every other one is tight against the left
> > margin and difficult to move.  Simply dragging would not do it.  I had
> > to put spaces in front of it making centering a hard thing to judge.
> > One picture came out virtually big enough to fill the page margin
> > to margin.
> > My option - do it manually.  It's easier than moving, resizing
> > pictures.  Beside you'd have to do some manual work anyway if you add
> > more that one picture per individual anyway.
> > I'd like to hear if it's a Word Perfect problem or does it behave the
> > same way in Word also?
> >
> > I can tell you, Word is exactly the same. I'm in correspondence with
> > the programmers about the location of pictures and reports in the RTF
> > at present
> >
> > Regards  Alastair Lack



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Re: [LegacyUG] Entering source details

[Cathy]

Hi Pat,
You're right. You won't know some details of how you want to enter 
things until you have looked at the output you want.


Suggestion/Solution?

Experiment.
Enter some data. Run reports with the options that appeal to you.

Don't like it?
Enter the data another way.

The essential thing is that the output is clear, not only to you but to others.
The essential thing for sources is that someone else can take your 
source and find the same information.
Following suggested standards is good, but until standards setters 
start thinking like computers, it will always be difficult to follow 
the guidelines exactly.
eg Elizabeth Mills excellent book Evidence is very helpful on 
sourcing - but she tends to mix up Detail and Master Source in her 
suggested output so it's impossible to get her exact output with any 
rational use of Legacy.


Cathy

At 03:02 PM 13/10/2006, you wrote:


It is so neat to find so many people really interested in doing good
sourcing, etc.  But I just want to add one more thought.

I don't know how anybody KNOWS exctly how s/he wants to arrange things,
where to put various kinds of data, etc., until one has printed out a book
and various kinds of reports. (And then there are also various options
within the reports etc.)

 Does anyone have suggestions/a solution for this??

Pat




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Re: [LegacyUG] Entering source details

[pph929]

It is so neat to find so many people really interested in doing good
sourcing, etc.  But I just want to add one more thought.

I don't know how anybody KNOWS exctly how s/he wants to arrange things,
where to put various kinds of data, etc., until one has printed out a book
and various kinds of reports. (And then there are also various options
within the reports etc.)

 Does anyone have suggestions/a solution for this??

Pat

> This is a very interesting, and helpful, discussion.
>
> Personally, I would like to see several articles describing the
> different approaches used and the reasons for the chosen approach.
> This would be similar to how we have been given 4 (different)
> approaches for "organizing your paper files".
>



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