Re: [LegacyUG] Descendants - How to Tag
No problem from me Joseph - I wasn't exactly sure of the tone of your message, although the caps on the one word did make it sound like you might have been using a not-so-nice tone I tried not to take it that way Although I haven't had any of your other questions come up in my own genealogy (but I did know a rape victim who became pregnant through the rape) - here is how I would probably handle the issues in Legacy 1) Test-tube or Doner babies. Mother would have all her info of course. I'd either use the default Unknown father, or add a father named something thrilling like Sperm Doner and of course boxes like This couple never married checked off etc I think I'd lean towards the Unknown father, and having appropriate comments in the notes 2) Surragate Mother There would be a few variations on this because there are variations of surragate mothers There are 4 variations I can think of 1 - Sperm and Egg from the couple that are the parents 2) Sperm from a doner, Egg from the mother that will be the parent 3) Sperm from the father that will be the parent, Egg from a doner, or the surragate mother (that might be 2 variations I guess) and 4) Sperm and Egg from a doner (once again, a sub-variation is the Egg is from the surragate mother) Basically, I would have the child linked to the parents that are raising the child. Probably everything else about it in notes, that could be private.If the genetics of it is important, you could also link the child with other parents to reflect the origin of the sperm and egg (whichever) - and the child status setupIf really important to you, you could also add a link to the surragate mother as a parent, with the child status setup. But again, for the most part I would personally just have the 1 parent link (to the parents raising the child), and the other stuff in notes. 3) Rape Victim Child This is a tough one because of the sensitivity of the whole thing. I would have the mother's info, and the father set to the default unknown, with the stuff in notes, possible to be made private. The big problem of course is if the Rape information is made private (and assuming the people are all alive), it makes it look like the victim doesn't know who the father was because of her morals instead of the actual circumstances but at the same time, if you put the Rape info so all can see, well that is a hard thing to be reminded of or told to just anyone too. Of course, someone in this position already has to deal with the circumstances anyway. 4) Clone (I know you didn't mention it, but someone else did) Well, as there isn't a human clone yet, it is all academic I think in theory the parents are the parents of the original person who was cloned. but some people might say there is 1 parent - the original person.In any case, hopefully I won't have to deal with this question! On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heather, this brings up another aspect of charting children. Consider, a woman has a test tube baby by an unknown father (donor) How does one do that one?? ...Serugate mothers (is that the same)? Rape victims who get pregnant by an unknown assailant?? This is getting rather interesting to me. Joseph p.s. Sorry if I'd offended you with my previous response. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Descendants - How to Tag
Hi John, You can't do 1) except by individually untagging spouses. You do 2) simply by selecting to tag Descendants (Include all descendants) (in Advanced Tagging - if you want them tagged you don't go to the Focus Group) You can add other spouses and other children and the parents of tagged individuals in the export of a tagged group. Cathy At 03:31 AM 3/04/2008, you wrote: Legacy Deluse 6 Was watching the other thread about descendants? Sounds like Descendants are those related by blood via the person selected at the top of the tree. I'd like to export to gedcom and am not sure how I can tag the following to easily just export the tagged individuals Do you know how I can create tags for the following: 1) Descendants - Which I'm looking for those related by blood, (No Spouses (I guess there are not really descendants), No one not related via blood (Adopted, etc) When I select Descendants for my father Edit - Tag records - Descendants there appears 2 options a) Descendants (Include all descendants) My wife show up here, she's not a descendant of my father b) Entire Descendant Line Here my wife's first husband, who she divorced. Why would he be tagged? Divorced not a spouse, not in any way related to my father. When I clear and then set the relationship to my father. This divored husband correctly shows no relationship, in the relationship calculator. 2) Would like to be able to select Descendants as described in option 1 add also if selected adopted add also if selected spouses I looked at the Search Feature as well and was not sure how I could get # 1 and #2 to be tagged. thanks, john Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Linking parents with children
RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote You need to add the child to the couple, not either parent by themselves. Why not? If I understand you correctly you are saying one must always add an individuals parents by entering one as an unlinked individual, then entering the other as a spouse/partner, then linking the existing child to that couple. Of course, I realise it is possible to do it that way, but I almost never do. Usually I am adding a spouse and the spouse's parent(s) to an existing relative. First I add the spouse, then I back to find out who his/her parents were. If I find both together, I always add the father first - no particular reason, except that I usually have his full name - and then I add the mother, then look for the marriage of those parents so I can add her maiden name and the date. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Descendants - How to Tag
Heather Stovold wrote: No problem from me Joseph - I wasn't exactly sure of the tone of your message, although the caps on the one word did make it sound like you might have been using a not-so-nice tone I tried not to take it that way Although I haven't had any of your other questions come up in my own genealogy (but I did know a rape victim who became pregnant through the rape) - here is how I would probably handle the issues in Legacy 1) Test-tube or Doner babies. Mother would have all her info of course. I'd either use the default Unknown father, or add a father named something thrilling like Sperm Doner and of course boxes like This couple never married checked off etc I think I'd lean towards the Unknown father, and having appropriate comments in the notes 2) Surragate Mother There would be a few variations on this because there are variations of surragate mothers There are 4 variations I can think of 1 - Sperm and Egg from the couple that are the parents 2) Sperm from a doner, Egg from the mother that will be the parent 3) Sperm from the father that will be the parent, Egg from a doner, or the surragate mother (that might be 2 variations I guess) and 4) Sperm and Egg from a doner (once again, a sub-variation is the Egg is from the surragate mother) Basically, I would have the child linked to the parents that are raising the child. Probably everything else about it in notes, that could be private.If the genetics of it is important, you could also link the child with other parents to reflect the origin of the sperm and egg (whichever) - and the child status setupIf really important to you, you could also add a link to the surragate mother as a parent, with the child status setup. But again, for the most part I would personally just have the 1 parent link (to the parents raising the child), and the other stuff in notes. 3) Rape Victim Child This is a tough one because of the sensitivity of the whole thing. I would have the mother's info, and the father set to the default unknown, with the stuff in notes, possible to be made private. The big problem of course is if the Rape information is made private (and assuming the people are all alive), it makes it look like the victim doesn't know who the father was because of her morals instead of the actual circumstances but at the same time, if you put the Rape info so all can see, well that is a hard thing to be reminded of or told to just anyone too. Of course, someone in this position already has to deal with the circumstances anyway. 4) Clone (I know you didn't mention it, but someone else did) Well, as there isn't a human clone yet, it is all academic I think in theory the parents are the parents of the original person who was cloned. but some people might say there is 1 parent - the original person.In any case, hopefully I won't have to deal with this question! On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 9:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heather, this brings up another aspect of charting children. Consider, a woman has a test tube baby by an unknown father (donor) How does one do that one?? ...Serugate mothers (is that the same)? Rape victims who get pregnant by an unknown assailant?? This is getting rather interesting to me. Joseph p.s. Sorry if I'd offended you with my previous response. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Heather, while I've found some illicit situations in my family history, I've not had one that I'm aware of which were raped and had a child, and I certainly don't want that anyone have an opportunity to record a clone. It's just not right in my humble opinion. And now, there was no animosity to my first comment. It was meant to be a somewhat humorous comment based on truth. Sometimes I just don't get things to come out right. I guess I'd better get my foot out of my mouth and get on. It's early this morning. Thanks for understanding. Joseph Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Descendants
We have a case of rape. My mother-in-law did not want me doing genealogy on any part of her family for fear I would discover something. One of her aunts was raped by a boarder in the boarding home her mother ran. An uncle and an aunt confirmed this. The child was raised as the sister of the actual mother. I am not even sure how to note this or whether I should. As far as I know the child never married and had no children -- but how many times might this have happened and our genealogies never reflect this? Elizabeth C Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Thoughts re Descendants - How to Tag
I recall hearing some time ago the sad statistical analysis of DNA studies and it was estimated that something like upwards of 20% of the people that think they are related actually aren't. That's a dirty little secret we all prefer to ignore. Brian From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shirl Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:37 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Thoughts re Descendants - How to Tag I wasn't going to comment on this subject; but changed my mind. NO family has pure blood lines. I have met many people who have taken their family trees back to the 1300's. You would be so amazed what they have found. Years and years ago there was no such thing as a legal adoption. So often baby's and orphans would be brought into a home and literally take on the family's surname. As I said no one's blood lines are pure. Many many years ago people moved form one country to another during periods of religious persecutions. Then a couple of generations later would come back to their native country but along with many family members who had married in the other country. Years ago people were held in shame if they had a child and were not married; and thus it was hidden and a family secret. So often the Grabnparentsraised the child as their own and even had them batized and Christened as their own and in census it would show up as a sibling rather than a grandchild. The list goes on and on. No one will ever no for sure the excat orign of some of our ancestors except for our Creator. God created every child and whats important is who and what the person grew up to be and not in the actual surname. I admire any single mother or father. Yes incest was very prevalent in some countries as well as the British Isles years ago. At least they wern't being aborted like the millions of babies are today. I close my thoughts with knowing that we are all God's children and so were all our wonderful ancestors; despite how , where and when they may have been conceived. Shirl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Thoughts re Descendants - How to Tag
Thanks for posting this. I've often wondered how many people found another rooster in the hen house when they participated in a DNA test. On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:07:15 -0500, Brian Lightfoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recall hearing some time ago the sad statistical analysis of DNA studies and it was estimated that something like upwards of 20% of the people that think they are related actually aren't. That's a dirty little secret we all prefer to ignore. Brian Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Column Size on other views
I know I can change the column size on other views, ie Event , master source list, etc. but then Legacy doesn't remember the change or am I missing something? Elsie Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0
Help! I can see how pdf would have it's advantages. Among other things, it would simplify those census images where one family continues from the bottom of one page to the top of the next by combining them into one file. I can't quite figure out the best way to name my census image pdfs, though. Bearing in mind all my census sources are from the U.S. I want to use Geoff's MRIN filing system plus J.L.'s way of referencing digital images in a digital library: What I'd like to do is lump my census sources into year plus state (or at most, year plus state plus county) and put the rest of the information into the citation detail. I'm wondering how best to name the digital census pdfs in my digital library, given all the above. I suppose I could just name these pdfs yearstatenumeral (1880texas1) or yearstate_countynumeral (1880texas_coryell1) with the consecutive numbers on the end being the differentiator among them. Do you think that sounds workable? Right now, all these images are jpgs and digitally filed in folders of the family surname(s) found on them; I have duplicates in the many instances where more than one family surname is found on the same image. It's going to be a big project to put them into pdfs rename them, so I want to be reasonably sure where I'm going with this. What do y'all suggest? J.L.? Anybody? Thanks! Penny - Original Message - From: JLB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0 I like to link pictures to sources so mostly I do source records as graphics. Most of my Master Sources exist as pdf as they're multiple pages of text, for example a cemetery listing. All are linked by number using the MRIN filing system, which also cross-references to a folder full of the digitized versions. Pretty big folder but it works fine. If you haven't read about it yet: http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/2007-06-01-mrin_filing_revisited.shtml I would say the only benefit to pdf's as far as Legacy goes is being able to open them directly from a gallery inside Legacy. Generally I would copy and paste the text directly into the appropriate Notes field. There are some documents (mixed text and graphics) that don't easily fit in any of the above solutions. I put those into the general organization of my family history which is set up in a family folder structure that is defined the same way in Passage Express. I think it comes down to how you imagine sharing your history. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0
File naming is as personal as what seasonings go in a soup or stew - my wife wants lots of green (bell) pepper, I hate it :-( I save census files based on the primary person, usually the head of household (although another key name may be included), plus the year and location. I save the files as the best resolution graphic available (TIFF instead of PDF) because the graphic can easily be edited to extract a portion of a page or to combine portions of multiple pages. Examples: CarterWR-1870-MS-Tippah.tif CampbellJamesM(Lula)-1900-AL-Dallas-Dublin.tif John Help! I can see how pdf would have it's advantages. Among other things, it would simplify those census images where one family continues from the bottom of one page to the top of the next by combining them into one file. I can't quite figure out the best way to name my census image pdfs, though. Bearing in mind all my census sources are from the U.S. I want to use Geoff's MRIN filing system plus J.L.'s way of referencing digital images in a digital library: What I'd like to do is lump my census sources into year plus state (or at most, year plus state plus county) and put the rest of the information into the citation detail. I'm wondering how best to name the digital census pdfs in my digital library, given all the above. I suppose I could just name these pdfs yearstatenumeral (1880texas1) or yearstate_countynumeral (1880texas_coryell1) with the consecutive numbers on the end being the differentiator among them. Do you think that sounds workable? Right now, all these images are jpgs and digitally filed in folders of the family surname(s) found on them; I have duplicates in the many instances where more than one family surname is found on the same image. It's going to be a big project to put them into pdfs rename them, so I want to be reasonably sure where I'm going with this. What do y'all suggest? J.L.? Anybody? Thanks! Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0
On 3 Apr 2008 Penny wrote: I can see how pdf would have it's advantages. Among other things, it would simplify those census images where one family continues from the bottom of one page to the top of the next by combining them into one file. So what does PDFs have to do with that? You can do the same thing with any graphic format that's already supported by Legacy. The free graphics program IrfanView has a feature (Create Panorama Image) to join different images together, either horizontally or vertically. They can be cropped within IrfanView before joining, and the resultant single image can be saved in various graphic formats. Cheers, -- Dave N. -- David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada. --- Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Thoughts re Descendants - How to Tag
I've read of this study too, and believe it was more like 25%. It didn't occur to me to think of this as being sad; but more like a joke on the DAR! Rape and incest account for only a small proportion of unknown parents, I believe. So many orphaned or neglected children were simply taken in by loving parents and raised as their own with no questions asked. Before Social Security, the technical facts of birth or surname didn't matter. I've known from the get-go that the sanctity of primary sources was an illusion. One of my first ventures into genealogy involved getting a copy of my grandfather's Delayed Birth Certificate, which he needed to apply for Social Security in the 1950s. Though I later found it was common knowledge that he was adopted, this little fact was NEVER mentioned by anyone during his lifetime. The presumption is that he didn't know it, though I have my doubts about that. Anyway, I knew immediately that all his documented proofs of his birth were falsified. But he had earned his Social Security benefits, and could not have collected them without a birth certificate, so he was forced to lie by circumstances beyond his control. The effect on me is that I have never taken the documentation of anyone's heritage very seriously. I know this is genealogical heresy, but there it is! My own personal opinion (for which I realize I may be tarred and feathered!) is that the percentage quoted in my first sentence is much closer to 100%! The long-term effects on genealogical research of things like this, when coupled with the current trend in alternate methods of conception simply boggle the mind! Kent Myrick - Original Message - From: Brian Lightfoot To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 8:07 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Thoughts re Descendants - How to Tag I recall hearing some time ago the sad statistical analysis of DNA studies and it was estimated that something like upwards of 20% of the people that think they are related actually aren't. That's a dirty little secret we all prefer to ignore. Brian From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shirl Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:37 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Thoughts re Descendants - How to Tag I wasn't going to comment on this subject; but changed my mind. NO family has pure blood lines. I have met many people who have taken their family trees back to the 1300's. You would be so amazed what they have found. Years and years ago there was no such thing as a legal adoption. So often baby's and orphans would be brought into a home and literally take on the family's surname. As I said no one's blood lines are pure. Many many years ago people moved form one country to another during periods of religious persecutions. Then a couple of generations later would come back to their native country but along with many family members who had married in the other country. Years ago people were held in shame if they had a child and were not married; and thus it was hidden and a family secret. So often the Grabnparentsraised the child as their own and even had them batized and Christened as their own and in census it would show up as a sibling rather than a grandchild. The list goes on and on. No one will ever no for sure the excat orign of some of our ancestors except for our Creator. God created every child and whats important is who and what the person grew up to be and not in the actual surname. I admire any single mother or father. Yes incest was very prevalent in some countries as well as the British Isles years ago. At least they wern't being aborted like the millions of babies are today. I close my thoughts with knowing that we are all God's children and so were all our wonderful ancestors; despite how , where and when they may have been conceived. Shirl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0
Hi, Penny -- You don't mention where you download your census images from, so this might not work for you. I use HeritageQuest. When you pull up the image, there's an option to download it. Select view and it will open in a PDF. When you go to save it, the National Archives series, roll and page are at the end of the link. I eliminate everything before that and save them according to the series number, etc. This makes it quick to save and I don't have to worry about typos when saving them. I had lost a few things I know are there just because I couldn't find them. It also makes them easy to find, since that information is in the cite. I tried saving them by family, etc. (I use a variation of the MRIN system, too), but I found that cumbersome. Many of them related to more than one family and it also made them difficult to find. I use MRIN to save pretty much everything else, but I store census images differently. HTH Kris On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:16:53 -0500, Penny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Help! I can see how pdf would have it's advantages. Among other things, it would simplify those census images where one family continues from the bottom of one page to the top of the next by combining them into one file. I can't quite figure out the best way to name my census image pdfs, though. Bearing in mind all my census sources are from the U.S. I want to use Geoff's MRIN filing system plus J.L.'s way of referencing digital images in a digital library: What I'd like to do is lump my census sources into year plus state (or at most, year plus state plus county) and put the rest of the information into the citation detail. I'm wondering how best to name the digital census pdfs in my digital library, given all the above. I suppose I could just name these pdfs yearstatenumeral (1880texas1) or yearstate_countynumeral (1880texas_coryell1) with the consecutive numbers on the end being the differentiator among them. Do you think that sounds workable? Right now, all these images are jpgs and digitally filed in folders of the family surname(s) found on them; I have duplicates in the many instances where more than one family surname is found on the same image. It's going to be a big project to put them into pdfs rename them, so I want to be reasonably sure where I'm going with this. What do y'all suggest? J.L.? Anybody? Thanks! Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0
Sorry, I misspoke. Actually a census listing is MRIN-01 1880, Joe Smith MRIN-02 1900, Joe Smith MRIN-03 1910, Joe Smith etc The MRIN-ext is what goes into the Source Detail File ID box and how you can trace back to your library to find the document. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html JLB wrote: Census records that span two pages can be merged into one using PhotoMerge in Adobe, although it's also as easy as extending the canvas on one and copying and pasting the other, moving it around to line it up and saving it as a single image. This can probably be done in most any graphics application. In any case, it's not necessary to put it in pdf to solve that issue. I used to have all my census records in pdf and turned them all back to jpg's in order to link them into Legacy where I can see them. If you want to put your census records together by date that is something different than the MRIN filing system and my method of referencing by MRIN's in a digital library. My census records all go into my digital library and are listed like this: MRIN 1880, Joe Smith MRIN 1900, Joe Smith MRIN 1910, Joe Smith and so on for each family. In this case Joe Smith is the head of the household, so anyone else in that household, including of other surnames is still listed in Legacy as being of that household. If you're using the digital MRIN system, all source documents begin with the MRIN and can be searched by MRIN, which is the fundamental point. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Penny wrote: Help! I can see how pdf would have it's advantages. Among other things, it would simplify those census images where one family continues from the bottom of one page to the top of the next by combining them into one file. I can't quite figure out the best way to name my census image pdfs, though. Bearing in mind all my census sources are from the U.S. I want to use Geoff's MRIN filing system plus J.L.'s way of referencing digital images in a digital library: What I'd like to do is lump my census sources into year plus state (or at most, year plus state plus county) and put the rest of the information into the citation detail. I'm wondering how best to name the digital census pdfs in my digital library, given all the above. I suppose I could just name these pdfs yearstatenumeral (1880texas1) or yearstate_countynumeral (1880texas_coryell1) with the consecutive numbers on the end being the differentiator among them. Do you think that sounds workable? Right now, all these images are jpgs and digitally filed in folders of the family surname(s) found on them; I have duplicates in the many instances where more than one family surname is found on the same image. It's going to be a big project to put them into pdfs rename them, so I want to be reasonably sure where I'm going with this. What do y'all suggest? J.L.? Anybody? Thanks! Penny - Original Message - From: JLB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0 I like to link pictures to sources so mostly I do source records as graphics. Most of my Master Sources exist as pdf as they're multiple pages of text, for example a cemetery listing. All are linked by number using the MRIN filing system, which also cross-references to a folder full of the digitized versions. Pretty big folder but it works fine. If you haven't read about it yet: http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/2007-06-01-mrin_filing_revisited.shtml I would say the only benefit to pdf's as far as Legacy goes is being able to open them directly from a gallery inside Legacy. Generally I would copy and paste the text directly into the appropriate Notes field. There are some documents (mixed text and graphics) that don't easily fit in any of the above solutions. I put those into the general organization of my family history which is set up in a family folder structure that is defined the same way in Passage Express. I think it comes down to how you imagine sharing your history. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Problem
After the motherboard was replaced in my computer, I 'lost' the Legacy file (not the data thank goodness) but the downloading would have taken 4 hours, so did as someone suggested, and got a friend with fast Internet connection to put Legacy 6 onto a CD for me . That arrived today, and all isA. O.K. Except...when I generate a gedcom file, and save to desktop...it just doesn t happen!!! (Doesn't appear on the desktop...or anywhere) Anyone any ideas in this regard?? And how do I fix the problem (remembering I am NOT a computer expert, so need it in baby steps please!! Yvonne www.buxtonairedales.com Lord keep Your Arm around my shoulder, and Your Hand across my mouth. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0
All of my census images are in this format. Year US Census, State, County, City or Militia Dist, last name and initial of head of household. Example: 1880 US Census, Georgia, Clarke, Athens, DorseyWE They then line up by Date and Location and are easily found. Works for me. Most of my Census images have been saved in .gif or .tiff format but it does not matter as I sort by image name not type. Penny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Help! I can see how pdf would have it's advantages. Among other things, it would simplify those census images where one family continues from the bottom of one page to the top of the next by combining them into one file. I can't quite figure out the best way to name my census image pdfs, though. Bearing in mind all my census sources are from the U.S. I want to use Geoff's MRIN filing system plus J.L.'s way of referencing digital images in a digital library: What I'd like to do is lump my census sources into year plus state (or at most, year plus state plus county) and put the rest of the information into the citation detail. I'm wondering how best to name the digital census pdfs in my digital library, given all the above. I suppose I could just name these pdfs yearstatenumeral (1880texas1) or yearstate_countynumeral (1880texas_coryell1) with the consecutive numbers on the end being the differentiator among them. Do you think that sounds workable? Right now, all these images are jpgs and digitally filed in folders of the family surname(s) found on them; I have duplicates in the many instances where more than one family surname is found on the same image. It's going to be a big project to put them into pdfs rename them, so I want to be reasonably sure where I'm going with this. What do y'all suggest? J.L.? Anybody? Thanks! Penny - Original Message - From: JLB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0 I like to link pictures to sources so mostly I do source records as graphics. Most of my Master Sources exist as pdf as they're multiple pages of text, for example a cemetery listing. All are linked by number using the MRIN filing system, which also cross-references to a folder full of the digitized versions. Pretty big folder but it works fine. If you haven't read about it yet: http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/2007-06-01-mrin_filing_revisited.shtml I would say the only benefit to pdf's as far as Legacy goes is being able to open them directly from a gallery inside Legacy. Generally I would copy and paste the text directly into the appropriate Notes field. There are some documents (mixed text and graphics) that don't easily fit in any of the above solutions. I put those into the general organization of my family history which is set up in a family folder structure that is defined the same way in Passage Express. I think it comes down to how you imagine sharing your history. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0
Dave Naylor wrote The free graphics program IrfanView has a feature to batch convert coloured graphics to grayscale. I only realised quite recently that when I saved Census images from Ancestry they were saved as coloured. I saved a *huge* amount of disk space by converting them to grayscale and now do that with each one indivudally (also crop it, and if necessary straighten it, but using Adobe Photoshop - not sure if Irfan View does straightening) as I download them. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Re tiff format
Can someone explaing to me whats a tiff format is? I am used to working with gif. and also jpeg. But have never heard of tiff format before till now, also what is referred to as pdf? Thanks Shirl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Thoughts re Ancestors
Not sure about the US or British Isles but there in Canada when a person is adopted legally; they automatically recieve a Birth Certificate with the Surname of the family which adopted them. The Surname is legally changed by the government and not just the families adopting. Before this law was instated ( tho I don't know when it started) it was still possible many many years ago that a birth certificate or even batptism and christneing recorss would have the peroson as belonging to the family which raised them or took them in., thus it would have their surname on and not actually who concieved them. The reason that it was common for such things to be kept secret way back ebfore social security and all our modern technology; was simply as I related in an earlier message... it doesn't matter where a person came from or how they got to be; but much rather who they became. If you read in my earlier post you will see that I mentioned NO ones family tree is Pure. Every family is fuill of peopl way back that cannot be proved if the parents wer acyually the parents or granparents or even a friendly neighbour taking in a baby or small child born out of wedlock or some other misfortune. Anyone who isists that their blood lines are pure is not facing reality of times gone by..\ I am proud of every one of my ancestors who ever they might turn out to be; as they learned to become strong and victorious and overcomers despite all the obstacles surving day to day live and rearing rather large families in those days. I respect and honour each one of them for who they are and were and not for how they came to be. We as well as they are all God's Wonderful Creations. Thanks for listening. Shirl I've read of this study too, and believe it was more like 25%. It didn't occur to me to think of this as being sad; but more like a joke on the DAR! Rape and incest account for only a small proportion of unknown parents, I believe. So many orphaned or neglected children were simply taken in by loving parents and raised as their own with no questions asked. Before Social Security, the technical facts of birth or surname didn't matter. I've known from the get-go that the sanctity of primary sources was an illusion. One of my first ventures into genealogy involved getting a copy of my grandfather's Delayed Birth Certificate, which he needed to apply for Social Security in the 1950s. Though I later found it was common knowledge that he was adopted, this little fact was NEVER mentioned by anyone during his lifetime. The presumption is that he didn't know it, though I have my doubts about that. Anyway, I knew immediately that all his documented proofs of his birth were falsified. But he had earned his Social Security benefits, and could not have collected them without a birth certificate, so he was forced to lie by circumstances beyond his control. The effect on me is that I have never taken the documentation of anyone's heritage very seriously. I know this is genealogical heresy, but there it is! My own personal opinion (for which I realize I may be tarred and feathered!) is that the percentage quoted in my first sentence is much closer to 100%! The long-term effects on genealogical research of things like this, when coupled with the current trend in alternate methods of conception simply boggle the mind! Kent Myrick - Original Message - From: Brian Lightfoot To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 8:07 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Thoughts re Descendants - How to Tag I recall hearing some time ago the sad statistical analysis of DNA studies and it was estimated that something like upwards of 20% of the people that think they are related actually aren't. That's a dirty little secret we all prefer to ignore. Brian From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shirl Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:37 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Thoughts re Descendants - How to Tag I wasn't going to comment on this subject; but changed my mind. NO family has pure blood lines. I have met many people who have taken their family trees back to the 1300's. You would be so amazed what they have found. Years and years ago there was no such thing as a legal adoption. So often baby's and orphans would be brought into a home and literally take on the family's surname. As I said no one's blood lines are pure. Many many years ago people moved form one country to another during periods of religious persecutions. Then a couple of generations later would come back to their native country but along with many family members who had married in the other country. Years ago people were held in shame if they had a child and were not married; and thus it was hidden and a family
Re: [LegacyUG] Problem
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RE: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0
So what do you do if you later find another family on the same page as DorseyWE? Do you make another copy of the same page but name it for the head of that household? And what about when the person you are connected to is a boarder in a house? Have the file named for the head of household who has no connection whatsoever to your family? Just curious because I find it easier to have generic names for my documents so that I can attach them to as many people as necessary. Mary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 1:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Cc: Penny Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0 All of my census images are in this format. Year US Census, State, County, City or Militia Dist, last name and initial of head of household. Example: 1880 US Census, Georgia, Clarke, Athens, DorseyWE They then line up by Date and Location and are easily found. Works for me. Most of my Census images have been saved in .gif or .tiff format but it does not matter as I sort by image name not type. Penny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Help! I can see how pdf would have it's advantages. Among other things, it would simplify those census images where one family continues from the bottom of one page to the top of the next by combining them into one file. I can't quite figure out the best way to name my census image pdfs, though. Bearing in mind all my census sources are from the U.S. I want to use Geoff's MRIN filing system plus J.L.'s way of referencing digital images in a digital library: What I'd like to do is lump my census sources into year plus state (or at most, year plus state plus county) and put the rest of the information into the citation detail. I'm wondering how best to name the digital census pdfs in my digital library, given all the above. I suppose I could just name these pdfs yearstatenumeral (1880texas1) or yearstate_countynumeral (1880texas_coryell1) with the consecutive numbers on the end being the differentiator among them. Do you think that sounds workable? Right now, all these images are jpgs and digitally filed in folders of the family surname(s) found on them; I have duplicates in the many instances where more than one family surname is found on the same image. It's going to be a big project to put them into pdfs rename them, so I want to be reasonably sure where I'm going with this. What do y'all suggest? J.L.? Anybody? Thanks! Penny - Original Message - From: JLB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0 I like to link pictures to sources so mostly I do source records as graphics. Most of my Master Sources exist as pdf as they're multiple pages of text, for example a cemetery listing. All are linked by number using the MRIN filing system, which also cross-references to a folder full of the digitized versions. Pretty big folder but it works fine. If you haven't read about it yet: http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/2007-06-01-mrin_filing_revisited.shtml I would say the only benefit to pdf's as far as Legacy goes is being able to open them directly from a gallery inside Legacy. Generally I would copy and paste the text directly into the appropriate Notes field. There are some documents (mixed text and graphics) that don't easily fit in any of the above solutions. I put those into the general organization of my family history which is set up in a family folder structure that is defined the same way in Passage Express. I think it comes down to how you imagine sharing your history. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Thoughts re Descendants - How to Tag
I read an article on Meme Gene genealogy... rather like nurture nature... that was fascinating. It told how genes aren't the only thing that is handed down. Your family line passes on values ethics. A completely unrelated person, raised as one of a specific family will take on its attributes and pass it on to its offspring. Outside of medical problems, I've decided that the meme part of genealogy is as important if not more important than *purity* of the gene line. I'm sorry I can't tell you where I read the article, it was over a year ago I read so much that it is lost in a forest of magazines. Sally I recall hearing some time ago the sad statistical analysis of DNA studies and it was estimated that something like upwards of 20% of the people that think they are related actually aren't. That's a dirty little secret we all prefer to ignore. Brian Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] LUG email doesn't have to be overwhelming
New users on the LUG or anyone for that matter can be overwhelmed LUG email. After a couple years of subscribing and unsubscribing I found the solution for me was to have a totally separate email account for the LUG on gmail.google.com. It organizes the LUG emails so it won't overwhelm you. See http://www.glsmall.com/gmail.htm for more info and if you're interested send me an email if you need an invitation to create an account. Gordon Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] LUG email doesn't have to be overwhelming
And another way for us all to manage the LUG mail is for everyone to keep it about Legacy and it's add-ons (as LUG is intended for). Many of the messages here lately have absolutely nothing to do with Legacy. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gordon Small Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 5:08 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] LUG email doesn't have to be overwhelming New users on the LUG or anyone for that matter can be overwhelmed LUG email. After a couple years of subscribing and unsubscribing I found the solution for me was to have a totally separate email account for the LUG on gmail.google.com. It organizes the LUG emails so it won't overwhelm you. See http://www.glsmall.com/gmail.htm for more info and if you're interested send me an email if you need an invitation to create an account. Gordon Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0
Mary, You are right these issues have come up. In the instance of the boarder I used the target person's name. In the issue of more than one family on the page I made a copy (hard drive space is cheap). In the instance of one family spanning two pages I used the page number on the census page after the name. As long as I follow this convention I can name a new file without checking anything. See what families are in the same county city etc., just by looking at my Census file. I use the same naming convention for my census sources in Legacy. This is just how I do it. I have an analog not digital brain so I put as much info into the name as possible. G.C. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of M. Brenzel Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 4:43 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0 So what do you do if you later find another family on the same page as DorseyWE? Do you make another copy of the same page but name it for the head of that household? And what about when the person you are connected to is a boarder in a house? Have the file named for the head of household who has no connection whatsoever to your family? Just curious because I find it easier to have generic names for my documents so that I can attach them to as many people as necessary. Mary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 1:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Cc: Penny Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0 All of my census images are in this format. Year US Census, State, County, City or Militia Dist, last name and initial of head of household. Example: 1880 US Census, Georgia, Clarke, Athens, DorseyWE They then line up by Date and Location and are easily found. Works for me. Most of my Census images have been saved in .gif or .tiff format but it does not matter as I sort by image name not type. Penny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Help! I can see how pdf would have it's advantages. Among other things, it would simplify those census images where one family continues from the bottom of one page to the top of the next by combining them into one file. I can't quite figure out the best way to name my census image pdfs, though. Bearing in mind all my census sources are from the U.S. I want to use Geoff's MRIN filing system plus J.L.'s way of referencing digital images in a digital library: What I'd like to do is lump my census sources into year plus state (or at most, year plus state plus county) and put the rest of the information into the citation detail. I'm wondering how best to name the digital census pdfs in my digital library, given all the above. I suppose I could just name these pdfs yearstatenumeral (1880texas1) or yearstate_countynumeral (1880texas_coryell1) with the consecutive numbers on the end being the differentiator among them. Do you think that sounds workable? Right now, all these images are jpgs and digitally filed in folders of the family surname(s) found on them; I have duplicates in the many instances where more than one family surname is found on the same image. It's going to be a big project to put them into pdfs rename them, so I want to be reasonably sure where I'm going with this. What do y'all suggest? J.L.? Anybody? Thanks! Penny - Original Message - From: JLB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0 I like to link pictures to sources so mostly I do source records as graphics. Most of my Master Sources exist as pdf as they're multiple pages of text, for example a cemetery listing. All are linked by number using the MRIN filing system, which also cross-references to a folder full of the digitized versions. Pretty big folder but it works fine. If you haven't read about it yet: http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/2007-06-01-mrin_filing_revisited.shtml I would say the only benefit to pdf's as far as Legacy goes is being able to open them directly from a gallery inside Legacy. Generally I would copy and paste the text directly into the appropriate Notes field. There are some documents (mixed text and graphics) that don't easily fit in any of the above solutions. I put those into the general organization of my family history which is set up in a family folder structure that is defined the same way in Passage Express. I think it comes down to how you imagine sharing your history. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support:
Re: [LegacyUG] Re Legacy use on Laptops and.....
Shirl wrote Anither question...When I am away from home but still working on searches and genealogy on someone else's computer thats hooked up to the internet when I find something I want to save for future use; I am presently having to copy and paste it into an email on my sister's computer and sending it to myself. I am sitting her thinking that maybe there is something out there that I am not aware of that would alow me to save things into it and it stays on line till I get back home??? When you're using Ancestry you can save any records you find to your Shoebox and retrieve it at your leisure. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Re tiff format
Shirl wrote Can someone explaing to me whats a tiff format is? Not on topic for this list, but see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIFF also what is referred to as pdf? One of several formats offered by Legacy for Reports. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Document_Format -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Re Legacy use on Laptops and.....
Shirl, It sounds to me that what you need is a flash drive. It is a small device that plugs into your USB port and you can save items to it, just like it was a disc. Then you plug it into another computer and use it like a disc drive. They come in various sizes up to 4 gigabytes. I have one that is 250 kb and one that has 1 gigabyte. They can be found at the bigger electronic stores for around $10 or less. Jerry -- Original message -- From: Shirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay guys and gals: I have a main computer and also my laptop. I have Legacy on my main computer. If I am away from home and want to use my laptop; is it possible for me to put my Legacy also on my Laptop?? Or would this get too confusing. I also have 3 family trees on Ancesrory.com as I love the help it gives me with all the green leaves popping up. Thenwhen changes occur with Ancestory I can type in these changes into my Legacy. Any one have any tips re this I am open to change; as I want to learn how to do things correctly and most efficiently as well. Anither question...When I am away from home but still working on searches and genealogy on someone else's computer thats hooked up to the internet when I find something I want to save for future use; I am presently having to copy and paste it into an email on my sister's computer and sending it to myself. I am sitting her thinking that maybe there is something out there that I am not aware of that would alow me to save things into it and it stays on line till I get back home??? I am open to any and all suggestions. Thanks so much you people are the greatest re tips and helping each other. Shirl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0
Thanks to all of you who have replied to my initial question. I've learned a couple of things from you about this. Among other things, I didn't know there was such a thing as IrfanView until now. (I'll take a look at it appreciate your pointing it out to me.) And I'll admit I hadn't considered pasting one image into the area next to another and saving the whole thing as one image. That's obviously a good workaround to having two separate census images for one family. For those of you who include reference to the specific head-of-house in the image file name and/or begin the file name with a couple's MRIN number, I have another question: what do you do about naming images of census pages which have two or more individual families, and therefore, two or more MRINs on them? These are not members of the same household, but they are all people in my database; sometimes they are not actually kin to each other, but are only kin to mutual people. I also have multiple instances of my gg-grandparents in one household, two doors down are my g-grandparents, and next door is a sibling to my g-gp with his/her family. The three families aren't living together, they're living close to one another. Do you have duplicates of the same image, each with a name that reflects this head-of-household or each couple's MRIN? Or, are you picking out one family of the three and naming the census image with that one head-of-house or one couple's MRIN in it and then referencing that number for all the rest, even though they aren't in the same actual household??? I expect I'm being dense here. Sorry, but I'd like a little more clarification on how others do this. Thanks again! You're all great! Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0
I have yet another newbie question about Adobe photoshop. It sounds like a lot of you use it. Do you use the photoshop elements or photoshop cs3? I just wondered which is easier to use to get what you want accomplished. Thanks, Christina On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 1:43 PM, M. Brenzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what do you do if you later find another family on the same page as DorseyWE? Do you make another copy of the same page but name it for the head of that household? And what about when the person you are connected to is a boarder in a house? Have the file named for the head of household who has no connection whatsoever to your family? Just curious because I find it easier to have generic names for my documents so that I can attach them to as many people as necessary. Mary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 1:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Cc: Penny Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0 All of my census images are in this format. Year US Census, State, County, City or Militia Dist, last name and initial of head of household. Example: 1880 US Census, Georgia, Clarke, Athens, DorseyWE They then line up by Date and Location and are easily found. Works for me. Most of my Census images have been saved in .gif or .tiff format but it does not matter as I sort by image name not type. Penny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Help! I can see how pdf would have it's advantages. Among other things, it would simplify those census images where one family continues from the bottom of one page to the top of the next by combining them into one file. I can't quite figure out the best way to name my census image pdfs, though. Bearing in mind all my census sources are from the U.S. I want to use Geoff's MRIN filing system plus J.L.'s way of referencing digital images in a digital library: What I'd like to do is lump my census sources into year plus state (or at most, year plus state plus county) and put the rest of the information into the citation detail. I'm wondering how best to name the digital census pdfs in my digital library, given all the above. I suppose I could just name these pdfs yearstatenumeral (1880texas1) or yearstate_countynumeral (1880texas_coryell1) with the consecutive numbers on the end being the differentiator among them. Do you think that sounds workable? Right now, all these images are jpgs and digitally filed in folders of the family surname(s) found on them; I have duplicates in the many instances where more than one family surname is found on the same image. It's going to be a big project to put them into pdfs rename them, so I want to be reasonably sure where I'm going with this. What do y'all suggest? J.L.? Anybody? Thanks! Penny - Original Message - From: JLB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0 I like to link pictures to sources so mostly I do source records as graphics. Most of my Master Sources exist as pdf as they're multiple pages of text, for example a cemetery listing. All are linked by number using the MRIN filing system, which also cross-references to a folder full of the digitized versions. Pretty big folder but it works fine. If you haven't read about it yet: http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/2007-06-01-mrin_filing_revisited.shtml I would say the only benefit to pdf's as far as Legacy goes is being able to open them directly from a gallery inside Legacy. Generally I would copy and paste the text directly into the appropriate Notes field. There are some documents (mixed text and graphics) that don't easily fit in any of the above solutions. I put those into the general organization of my family history which is set up in a family folder structure that is defined the same way in Passage Express. I think it comes down to how you imagine sharing your history. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages:
[LegacyUG] Re Legacy use on Laptops and.....
Okay guys and gals: I have a main computer and also my laptop. I have Legacy on my main computer. If I am away from home and want to use my laptop; is it possible for me to put my Legacy also on my Laptop?? Or would this get too confusing. I also have 3 family trees on Ancesrory.com as I love the help it gives me with all the green leaves popping up. Thenwhen changes occur with Ancestory I can type in these changes into my Legacy. Any one have any tips re this I am open to change; as I want to learn how to do things correctly and most efficiently as well. Anither question...When I am away from home but still working on searches and genealogy on someone else's computer thats hooked up to the internet when I find something I want to save for future use; I am presently having to copy and paste it into an email on my sister's computer and sending it to myself. I am sitting her thinking that maybe there is something out there that I am not aware of that would alow me to save things into it and it stays on line till I get back home??? I am open to any and all suggestions. Thanks so much you people are the greatest re tips and helping each other. Shirl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Re tiff format
Shirl wrote: Can someone explaing to me whats a tiff format is? Tagged Image File Format It is just another image format. -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Re Legacy use on Laptops and.....
I have Legacy downloaded onto my desktop and onto my laptop.I also have my entire Legacy file on a flash drive. I can take it anywhere, but Legacy has to be downloaded onto whatever computer I want to use before it will open. It's also very easy to just save whatever you find while away on to the flash drive. Then if you have Legacy on both of your computers it's very easy to open the drive on one of them to view it while entering the info into the other.This may sound a little complicated, but it's not. If I can do it, believe me anyone can do it !!Sarah **Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv000316) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Re tiff format
I respectfully disagree; as Legacy uses some formats and not others and has size limitations I think it is a viable question for the group. .tif - I use it as my original. When downloading or receiving any picture I immediately save it as .tif. It is a large file but it will not loose detail no matter what changes (straightening, cropping etc.) that you may do. This original is what I go back to if I mess something up. .gif- I use it primarily for copies of Census sheets. It will make a smaller detail picture than .tif but best used for graphics like census sheets or pages in books. .png - Another good format for an original but I have just started using it. It does not loose detail when changed. .jpg - Makes the smallest file but looses detail every time you change something and then save it. Created and used primarily for the internet. All of the above plus some others legacy recognizes and will print as a picture in reports. .PDF - Created by Adobe as a container to put anything (pictures, documents, combinations of each and even whole books. I have downloaded huge .pdf files that contain readable 400+ page books with pictures. With the free Adobe Reader it can be read on many different types of computers (Mac, Microsoft. Etc.). It cannot be changed by anything but the full Adobe Acrobat and only when unlocked. Legacy does not currently recognize .pdf files. You can only attach them as a sound file. Why you would want to do this I do not know. From what I understand legacy does not like files over 200 KB. When I receive a large picture that I want to print on a Legacy report I : 1. Save the original to .tif and file it away. 2. Make a copy in .tif format, make changes as needed and then make it as small as possible with the detail I need. 3. When finished I save it to .jpg in a special legacy picture folder that is what I attach to Legacy. In reports Legacy can only print a picture about the size of a large postage stamp. Just how I do it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenny M Benson Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 6:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Re tiff format Shirl wrote Can someone explaing to me whats a tiff format is? Not on topic for this list, but see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIFF also what is referred to as pdf? One of several formats offered by Legacy for Reports. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Document_Format -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0
I just file them by the head of household. The census will be entered as an event for each individual who appears in it, so a quick check will indicate where to go for the image. Janis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Penny Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 7:10 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0 Thanks to all of you who have replied to my initial question. I've learned a couple of things from you about this. Among other things, I didn't know there was such a thing as IrfanView until now. (I'll take a look at it appreciate your pointing it out to me.) And I'll admit I hadn't considered pasting one image into the area next to another and saving the whole thing as one image. That's obviously a good workaround to having two separate census images for one family. For those of you who include reference to the specific head-of-house in the image file name and/or begin the file name with a couple's MRIN number, I have another question: what do you do about naming images of census pages which have two or more individual families, and therefore, two or more MRINs on them? These are not members of the same household, but they are all people in my database; sometimes they are not actually kin to each other, but are only kin to mutual people. I also have multiple instances of my gg-grandparents in one household, two doors down are my g-grandparents, and next door is a sibling to my g-gp with his/her family. The three families aren't living together, they're living close to one another. Do you have duplicates of the same image, each with a name that reflects this head-of-household or each couple's MRIN? Or, are you picking out one family of the three and naming the census image with that one head-of-house or one couple's MRIN in it and then referencing that number for all the rest, even though they aren't in the same actual household??? I expect I'm being dense here. Sorry, but I'd like a little more clarification on how others do this. Thanks again! You're all great! Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Re Legacy use on Laptops and.....
I'm not sure I have the answer but I have a laptop AND and main computer. Everything has been networked AND I always add the date at the beginning of the file and I also back up to an external hard drive on my network, and IF I'm good, put it on my external hard drive . . . over kill and you may get some better suggestions . . . I'll be watching, too. My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you want to communicate off line. I live in Murrieta, California north of San Diego and south of Riverside, California. **Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv000316) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Re Great group of Legacy Users
Thank you so much Oliver for you detailed explanation and also making so much easier for me to understand. This reply ia a keeper for sure. Also thanks to Jerry, I must get a flasher for sure and its such a great idea. Thanks also to Wendy, Nancy and so many more of you super duper guys and gals. Hats off to all of you for coming to my aid and answering my queries; as all of this is so new to me. I am getting ready for eye surgey and am still recovering from right rotor cuff sugery so I have a lot on my plate just now. But just be prepared as after my surgery and I start to dig in to all the helps and learning inof re Legacy I most likley will have more questions. Its like a corn maze to me right now but that will all change soon. Legacy should be very proud of all of you and the way you jump right in to help one another. Thanks again. Shirl I respectfully disagree; as Legacy uses some formats and not others and has size limitations I think it is a viable question for the group. .tif - I use it as my original. When downloading or receiving any picture I immediately save it as .tif. It is a large file but it will not loose detail no matter what changes (straightening, cropping etc.) that you may do. This original is what I go back to if I mess something up. .gif- I use it primarily for copies of Census sheets. It will make a smaller detail picture than .tif but best used for graphics like census sheets or pages in books. .png - Another good format for an original but I have just started using it. It does not loose detail when changed. .jpg - Makes the smallest file but looses detail every time you change something and then save it. Created and used primarily for the internet. All of the above plus some others legacy recognizes and will print as a picture in reports. .PDF - Created by Adobe as a container to put anything (pictures, documents, combinations of each and even whole books. I have downloaded huge .pdf files that contain readable 400+ page books with pictures. With the free Adobe Reader it can be read on many different types of computers (Mac, Microsoft. Etc.). It cannot be changed by anything but the full Adobe Acrobat and only when unlocked. Legacy does not currently recognize .pdf files. You can only attach them as a sound file. Why you would want to do this I do not know. From what I understand legacy does not like files over 200 KB. When I receive a large picture that I want to print on a Legacy report I : 1. Save the original to .tif and file it away. 2. Make a copy in .tif format, make changes as needed and then make it as small as possible with the detail I need. 3. When finished I save it to .jpg in a special legacy picture folder that is what I attach to Legacy. In reports Legacy can only print a picture about the size of a large postage stamp. Just how I do it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenny M Benson Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 6:45 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Re tiff format Shirl wrote Can someone explaing to me whats a tiff format is? Not on topic for this list, but see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIFF also what is referred to as pdf? One of several formats offered by Legacy for Reports. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Document_Format -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0
Might that be better asked on an Adobe list? After all this is a Legacy list. Dave _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christina Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 7:47 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0 I have yet another newbie question about Adobe photoshop. It sounds like a lot of you use it. Do you use the photoshop elements or photoshop cs3? I just wondered which is easier to use to get what you want accomplished. Thanks, Christina On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 1:43 PM, M. Brenzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what do you do if you later find another family on the same page as DorseyWE? Do you make another copy of the same page but name it for the head of that household? And what about when the person you are connected to is a boarder in a house? Have the file named for the head of household who has no connection whatsoever to your family? Just curious because I find it easier to have generic names for my documents so that I can attach them to as many people as necessary. Mary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 1:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Cc: Penny Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0 All of my census images are in this format. Year US Census, State, County, City or Militia Dist, last name and initial of head of household. Example: 1880 US Census, Georgia, Clarke, Athens, DorseyWE They then line up by Date and Location and are easily found. Works for me. Most of my Census images have been saved in .gif or .tiff format but it does not matter as I sort by image name not type. Penny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Help! I can see how pdf would have it's advantages. Among other things, it would simplify those census images where one family continues from the bottom of one page to the top of the next by combining them into one file. I can't quite figure out the best way to name my census image pdfs, though. Bearing in mind all my census sources are from the U.S. I want to use Geoff's MRIN filing system plus J.L.'s way of referencing digital images in a digital library: What I'd like to do is lump my census sources into year plus state (or at most, year plus state plus county) and put the rest of the information into the citation detail. I'm wondering how best to name the digital census pdfs in my digital library, given all the above. I suppose I could just name these pdfs yearstatenumeral (1880texas1) or yearstate_countynumeral (1880texas_coryell1) with the consecutive numbers on the end being the differentiator among them. Do you think that sounds workable? Right now, all these images are jpgs and digitally filed in folders of the family surname(s) found on them; I have duplicates in the many instances where more than one family surname is found on the same image. It's going to be a big project to put them into pdfs rename them, so I want to be reasonably sure where I'm going with this. What do y'all suggest? J.L.? Anybody? Thanks! Penny - Original Message - From: JLB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0 I like to link pictures to sources so mostly I do source records as graphics. Most of my Master Sources exist as pdf as they're multiple pages of text, for example a cemetery listing. All are linked by number using the MRIN filing system, which also cross-references to a folder full of the digitized versions. Pretty big folder but it works fine. If you haven't read about it yet: http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/2007-06-01-mrin_filing_revisited.shtml I would say the only benefit to pdf's as far as Legacy goes is being able to open them directly from a gallery inside Legacy. Generally I would copy and paste the text directly into the appropriate Notes field. There are some documents (mixed text and graphics) that don't easily fit in any of the above solutions. I put those into the general organization of my family history which is set up in a family folder structure that is defined the same way in Passage Express. I think it comes down to how you imagine sharing your history. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0
I also have census records with several families on them. I just make a copy for each one. It would not work at all to put 3 or 4 different MRIN's on the same document. This is also an issue on birth certificates I've found where's there's as many as 9 of my relatives on the same page. I make a copy for each and file them by MRIN's as usual. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Penny wrote: Thanks to all of you who have replied to my initial question. I've learned a couple of things from you about this. Among other things, I didn't know there was such a thing as IrfanView until now. (I'll take a look at it appreciate your pointing it out to me.) And I'll admit I hadn't considered pasting one image into the area next to another and saving the whole thing as one image. That's obviously a good workaround to having two separate census images for one family. For those of you who include reference to the specific head-of-house in the image file name and/or begin the file name with a couple's MRIN number, I have another question: what do you do about naming images of census pages which have two or more individual families, and therefore, two or more MRINs on them? These are not members of the same household, but they are all people in my database; sometimes they are not actually kin to each other, but are only kin to mutual people. I also have multiple instances of my gg-grandparents in one household, two doors down are my g-grandparents, and next door is a sibling to my g-gp with his/her family. The three families aren't living together, they're living close to one another. Do you have duplicates of the same image, each with a name that reflects this head-of-household or each couple's MRIN? Or, are you picking out one family of the three and naming the census image with that one head-of-house or one couple's MRIN in it and then referencing that number for all the rest, even though they aren't in the same actual household??? I expect I'm being dense here. Sorry, but I'd like a little more clarification on how others do this. Thanks again! You're all great! Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
NG: Re: [LegacyUG] Re tiff format
Give a person a fish and s/he eats for a day. Teach that person to fish and s/he eats for ever. Learn to Google questions like this; learn on your own. Don't just shoot off an e-mail and involve hundreds of people in something having nothing to do with Legacy software. Ruth A. (Sconza Testa) Nerud [EMAIL PROTECTED] t- Original Message - From: Shirl To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 3:31 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Re tiff format Can someone explaing to me whats a tiff format is? I am used to working with gif. and also jpeg. But have never heard of tiff format before till now, also what is referred to as pdf? Thanks Shirl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Re tiff format
Quote: [.PDF - Created by Adobe as a container to put anything (pictures, documents, combinations of each and even whole books. I have downloaded huge .pdf files that contain readable 400+ page books with pictures. With the free Adobe Reader it can be read on many different types of computers (Mac, Microsoft. Etc.). It cannot be changed by anything but the full Adobe Acrobat and only when unlocked. Legacy does not currently recognize .pdf files. You can only attach them as a sound file. Why you would want to do this I do not know.] PDF's can be changed by any pdf editor. I use Zeon's DocuCom Plus, way more economical than Adobe Acrobat, and can do most of the same things when it comes to editing. They also have a version called PDF Gold which includes a pdf print driver, but I don't need it because I have two that cost nothing. PDF Creator and another one whose name slips my mind. Since most of my Master Sources exist as pdf, I can link them into pictures as sound files (Legacy IS going to fix this) and open them directly from there. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0
Go to the archives of Legacy News for October 2006. You'll see reference to previous articles about organizing files. One of the methods described is mine. I also make reference in mine how they are then connected into Legacy. Mary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Penny Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 7:10 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0 Thanks to all of you who have replied to my initial question. I've learned a couple of things from you about this. Among other things, I didn't know there was such a thing as IrfanView until now. (I'll take a look at it appreciate your pointing it out to me.) And I'll admit I hadn't considered pasting one image into the area next to another and saving the whole thing as one image. That's obviously a good workaround to having two separate census images for one family. For those of you who include reference to the specific head-of-house in the image file name and/or begin the file name with a couple's MRIN number, I have another question: what do you do about naming images of census pages which have two or more individual families, and therefore, two or more MRINs on them? These are not members of the same household, but they are all people in my database; sometimes they are not actually kin to each other, but are only kin to mutual people. I also have multiple instances of my gg-grandparents in one household, two doors down are my g-grandparents, and next door is a sibling to my g-gp with his/her family. The three families aren't living together, they're living close to one another. Do you have duplicates of the same image, each with a name that reflects this head-of-household or each couple's MRIN? Or, are you picking out one family of the three and naming the census image with that one head-of-house or one couple's MRIN in it and then referencing that number for all the rest, even though they aren't in the same actual household??? I expect I'm being dense here. Sorry, but I'd like a little more clarification on how others do this. Thanks again! You're all great! Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Re tiff format
Hi Shirl, Take a look at http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Tips.asp and read the section on Pictures. It both explains the different image formats and the advantages and disadvantages of each. Make Google your friend. When someone mentions something you don't know about, first do a Google search on it. Make Wikipedia your friend. If the range of hits on Google is overwhelming add wikipedia to the search terms. Wikipedia isn't always right but it's a great starting point. Cathy At 04:31 AM 4/04/2008, you wrote: Can someone explaing to me whats a tiff format is? I am used to working with gif. and also jpeg. But have never heard of tiff format before till now, also what is referred to as pdf? Thanks Shirl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Re tiff format
I would think graphics are on point for this list. Many supporting documents that will support our research and become part of reports surely must include tiff among the formats. Elaine Shirl wrote Can someone explaing to me whats a tiff format is? Not on topic for this list, but see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIFF also what is referred to as pdf? One of several formats offered by Legacy for Reports. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Document_Format Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0
What are you trying to accomplish? JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Christina wrote: I have yet another newbie question about Adobe photoshop. It sounds like a lot of you use it. Do you use the photoshop elements or photoshop cs3? I just wondered which is easier to use to get what you want accomplished. Thanks, Christina On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 1:43 PM, M. Brenzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what do you do if you later find another family on the same page as DorseyWE? Do you make another copy of the same page but name it for the head of that household? And what about when the person you are connected to is a boarder in a house? Have the file named for the head of household who has no connection whatsoever to your family? Just curious because I find it easier to have generic names for my documents so that I can attach them to as many people as necessary. Mary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 1:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Cc: Penny Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0 All of my census images are in this format. Year US Census, State, County, City or Militia Dist, last name and initial of head of household. Example: 1880 US Census, Georgia, Clarke, Athens, DorseyWE They then line up by Date and Location and are easily found. Works for me. Most of my Census images have been saved in .gif or .tiff format but it does not matter as I sort by image name not type. Penny [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Help! I can see how pdf would have it's advantages. Among other things, it would simplify those census images where one family continues from the bottom of one page to the top of the next by combining them into one file. I can't quite figure out the best way to name my census image pdfs, though. Bearing in mind all my census sources are from the U.S. I want to use Geoff's MRIN filing system plus J.L.'s way of referencing digital images in a digital library: What I'd like to do is lump my census sources into year plus state (or at most, year plus state plus county) and put the rest of the information into the citation detail. I'm wondering how best to name the digital census pdfs in my digital library, given all the above. I suppose I could just name these pdfs yearstatenumeral (1880texas1) or yearstate_countynumeral (1880texas_coryell1) with the consecutive numbers on the end being the differentiator among them. Do you think that sounds workable? Right now, all these images are jpgs and digitally filed in folders of the family surname(s) found on them; I have duplicates in the many instances where more than one family surname is found on the same image. It's going to be a big project to put them into pdfs rename them, so I want to be reasonably sure where I'm going with this. What do y'all suggest? J.L.? Anybody? Thanks! Penny - Original Message - From: JLB [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0 I like to link pictures to sources so mostly I do source records as graphics. Most of my Master Sources exist as pdf as they're multiple pages of text, for example a cemetery listing. All are linked by number using the MRIN filing system, which also cross-references to a folder full of the digitized versions. Pretty big folder but it works fine. If you haven't read about it yet: http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/2007-06-01-mrin_filing_revisited.shtml I would say the only benefit to pdf's as far as Legacy goes is being able to open them directly from a gallery inside Legacy. Generally I would copy and paste the text directly into the appropriate Notes field. There are some documents (mixed text and graphics) that don't easily fit in any of the above solutions. I put those into the general organization of my family history which is set up in a family folder structure that is defined the same way in Passage Express. I think it comes down to how you imagine sharing your history. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Legacy User Group guidelines:
Re: [LegacyUG] Saving All Important Information and Websites
Set up a GMAIL account (free) - with HUGE storage - use it for Legacy (or genealogy) and you can store thousands! If you need a referral for a gmail account (once doen that way) - let me know (off list). Keith On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:55 AM, Dawn Crowley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy wrote a great summary of useful tips for email. If you'll still have internet access while you're out of town want to access it (LUG or otherwise), then contact your ISP and ask them how to do it. Sometimes they have a different website to login online. If your email is going to hotmail or yahoo, etc., then of course you'll login as usual. Dawn Wendy Howard wrote: Hi Shirl, If one is going to be away for a few days or even for a week or two; can we set ourselves to special notice so that we can at least read all the messages online somewhere? With this particular list, you are either subscribed and receive the mail, or not subscribed and don't receive it. Other list software has other stages in-between, but this one doesn't. If you are going away, and your mail box may overflow while you're gone, you should unsubscribe from the list before you go, and join up again once you're back online. Some have space restrictions - find out before you go away if yours does and if you would exceed it in the time you're offline. There is an archive of all the list messages, which you can consult any time - see the link at the bottom of every list post. Also wondering what most of you do in regards to all the messages I receive and not just from Leagcy but all concerning genealogy searching do you have it all come inot your inbox on your computer or do you have an internet email addy? I have all list mail, for all the lists I subscribe to, sent to this one address. Other people I know like to use a different address for their list mail to keep it separate from their personal mail. It is your choice, but given that you are a newby at these things I would strongly recommend that you use just the one until you are more comfortable with email. I use a filter (or rule, depending on your mail program) to identify the mail from the Legacy Users' Group and divert it to a folder of its own. I do the same for every list I subscribe to. This means that the folder called Inbox contains only mail that is addressed to me personally, and all the list mail is kept away, ready for me to look at when I want to, but out of the way when I don't. Check your email program's Help files to find out how to use it in your particular mail box. I have some instructions on my personal web site to help people set a filter/rule for a different list, but they can be adapted to any mailing list - see http://www.geocities.com/wendy_m_howard/How-to.htm#RuleFilter Most list mail I receive is deleted once I've read it. On the rare occasion there is something I want to keep, I move it to a different folder for safe-keeping. Also where is the best place to keep all the url's and webpages that I frequent all the time? Your web browser (that's the program you use to look at web pages) has a feature called Favorites or Bookmarks. You can save your URLs there for easy access. They can also be sorted into folders to keep like things together. I have hundreds of URLs saved this way, and can locate the one I want quickly because I have them sorted into folders of like things. I have everyhting organized and in many differnet folders in my inbox but fear its most likely loading down Outlook Express and I don't want to loose everything. Make sure you back up your computer regularly, and keep the backup somewhere other than the same house/building as the computer (in case of fire, etc, where the structure is destroyed). I back up the folder called My Documents on my computer, and make sure that anything I want to keep (mail, pictures, documents, Legacy databases, downloaded program files, etc) is stored in a folder somewhere within this one folder. Also find out where your mail is stored, and back that up too if it is somewhere else. Check your Help files for this. You will only bog down your Outlook Express if you start to run out of hard drive space - been there, done that, don't recommend it! :-) Hope this helps. Kind Regards, Wendy Howard Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Website: http://home.comcast.net/~geosci64 EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] McCain-McKane-O'Kane DNA Group 1 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online
Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0
I think with the topic of linking a image to the sound file is in line with this conversation as to what program is easier to use so you can save your images appropriately and you won't have to go back and convert them to another format. With that said, since I am in the beginning stages of research it would certainly be easier to save my documents with something that will be compatible with the Legacy program. Simple question Christina On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 7:00 PM, JLB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are you trying to accomplish? JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Christina wrote: I have yet another newbie question about Adobe photoshop. It sounds like a lot of you use it. Do you use the photoshop elements or photoshop cs3? I just wondered which is easier to use to get what you want accomplished. Thanks, Christina Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Re Legacy use on Laptops and.....
Hi Shirl, I have a main computer and also my laptop. I have Legacy on my main computer. If I am away from home and want to use my laptop; is it possible for me to put my Legacy also on my Laptop?? Or would this get too confusing. I have Legacy Deluxe installed on both my desk and laptop computers. That's allowed on the one license - Sherry has stated this on this list. :-) I do all my updating on the desk computer. I can access it via the laptop when I'm at home through remote access software (don't know the details, my partner is the computer nerd who set it up for me!) so I don't have to run out to my office (outside of the house) to work on it. When I'm going somewhere for genealogy purposes with the laptop, I copy the database over from the desk computer to the laptop, so I have an up-to-date copy of my data on hand. I know that any changes I make to this copy are not going to last - so generally I don't make any changes here, except to close items on my to-do list as I work through them so I can see what to do next. When I'm researching away from home, I generally transcribe into a word processing document (OpenOffice is my program of choice), which is saved in a folder called Research notes from laptop under My Documents. This whole folder then gets copied back to the desk computer at home. Like the database, but the other way around, it is the laptop copy that is the working copy, and the desk computer copy that is for reference only. When I get home, I update the desk copy of Legacy with the new data. Despite the fact that I am a natural blonde (and love blonde jokes!), and suffer from a disease that affects my memory and cognitive abilities, I manage to keep these things straight, and don't often make a change where I shouldn't. This is my way of doing things, not necessarily the best for anyone else, but it works for me. Hope this helps. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Howard -- Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wendyh65/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ewendyh65/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
