Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching Source Citation Images to Events
That does it. I'm outta here. Not only did *this* gem arrive last night, but there's another thread where, every time I click on a new message, some stupid HTML background wallpaper shows up in my image viewer. I have *no* clue why the folks at Legacy insist on using this joke of a program to run their mailing list, but I'm not laughing anymore. On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:52:18 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: I haven't sent too many but hope it works. It did. It shouldn't have, but it did. Good grief. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Is it possible to COPY an event?
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:58:52 -0700, you wrote: I've ignored this little task for almost two years now but sooner or later I need to duplicate a number of events on one person and attach the same event to a different person. The reason for my reluctance is that each event has a number of images attached and each event has extensive notes. I am well aware of the SOURCE CLIPBOARD but I don't see any means within Legacy other than to use the Windows clipboard for each new event to copy and paste from the other individual, create the field data, and paste the notes and images over and over and over..UGH! Any ideas? Brian (the one in CA) On the Add Event screen on the right, under that list of buttons (Save, Cancel, etc.) are two little icons. If you mouse-over those, you'll find that they Copy Event to Clipboard and Paste Event from Clipboard. :-) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Speaking of Version 8...
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:33:26 -0400, you wrote: What about us poor smucks that can't go on these cruises, don't we deserve at least a little hint? michele *sigh* Here we go again. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Find-A-Grave ID #
I use a private Find A Grave event and paste the memorial number there. It doesn't appear on reports unless I want it too, and it's easy to see if I have this information for any individual without having to dig around. It also makes it a lot easier to find everyone's memorial numbers if I'm linking families on the FAG site. On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 13:40:14 -0400, you wrote: Have found many ancestors on Find-A-Grave (and have entered many) - and believe it would be of use to have the Find-A-Grave ID # in my Legacy file for each individual I find. I realize tombstones are NOT proof and can be wrong - but it is a good place to anchor some research. I put the number in Research Notes but find this a bit of a problem - anyone with a good idea where else it might fit? It is not really an event but ... Opinions? Keith Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Find-A-Grave ID #
Just because this entry field is entitled event doesn't mean, to me, that I can't make whatever use of it I like. Find A Grave is a source of information. So is the tombstone that is photographed. That doesn't mean I have to wade through source citations to find a memorial number. When I share information with other family members in the form of reports, I don't share things that I use to make my use of the program easier -- thus the event is private so that I can control where it appears. As a matter of fact, I don't know anyone else who is even using Legacy. If you want to split hairs, a lot of the things the event entries are used for aren't actually events, according to Webster. But I don't lose a lot of sleep over it. It also depends on exactly what you're using the Legacy program for. When I create my web pages, I include a link to the FAG memorial page. About the only way I can find to automatically do this is by creating an event. If someone draws a faulty conclusion from that, there's not much I can do about it. On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 14:58:40 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: Why would Find-A-Grave ever be entered as an Event? Find-A-Grave is a source of information, just like a book, a census, an old letter written by grandma, or an online database. In fact, it is an online database. Obviously, people can use Legacy however they like, but I would argue that we should strive to think about information about a person separately from the sources of that information, otherwise we risk faulty conclusions and a tangled mess. My perhaps not-so-humble opinion, of course g. Connie Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Using Find
I'm trying to create a search list of people who were born, died, buried, married or have an event that took place in a certain county. Basically, I'm trying to come up with a list of people who had anything happen in that county. Seems like this would be simple, but I can't seem to pull it off in just one step. Under the Detailed Search I found an option for Any Date but I can't find a similar option for Any Place. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Using Find
Well, duh. Guess I need to start reading those. ;-) Thanks, Geoff! Geoff Rasmussen wrote: A recent LegacyNews article provides step-by-step instructions both in video format and in written format. See http://legacynews.typepad.com/legacy_news/2009/06/legacy-video-tip-working-w ith-locations.html. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation ge...@legacyfamilytree.com www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Kris Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:19 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Using Find I'm trying to create a search list of people who were born, died, buried, married or have an event that took place in a certain county. Basically, I'm trying to come up with a list of people who had anything happen in that county. Seems like this would be simple, but I can't seem to pull it off in just one step. Under the Detailed Search I found an option for Any Date but I can't find a similar option for Any Place. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] OverWriting
David MacDiarmid wrote: Jenny M Benson wrote: David MacDiarmid wrote I presumed this was ok because i do not have a clue what a multimedia file is.My anger and frustration is not only at myself,because i know my limits on my pc,but also at the boffins who write this stuff without much consideration for the people who do not have the pc skills they do. That's a bit unfair on the Legacy programmers. I do think they have the right to presume that someone using a computer programme will acquire a certain amount of basic computer knowledge first. However, if you had looked up Multimedia in the Help files you would have found: Multimedia files - These are the picture files, sound files, video files, and other documents that you have linked to the people, events, sources, and locations in your family file. Hi Jenny,My apologies if you think i was having a go at the Legacy Programmers.That was never my intention.I am angry and frustrated at myself for not understanding what was being asked of me.My interpretation of the question do you want to overwrite this filewas simple,i thought that it meant that my pc legacy data would be transferred onto my flashdrive.Hands up i was wrong.But i still think that what could be potentially years of work can be lost by pressing a key on your pc without being given a warning or two as to what the outcome of this action will be.I know this reply sounds simplistic Jenny,but i do struggle sometimes trying to understand what my machine is asking me to do.Maybe i should e-mail Bill Gates, maybe he could manufacture a pc for numpties,David But you *were* given a warning. Overwrite means, among other things, to replace or delete files. You were asked if that's what you wanted to do. The jury's still out on exactly what you did do, because your very first message states: I pressed yes or something. You don't know if you were making backups, you saw messages about multi-media files, but you didn't know what that meant because you didn't know what they were. Instead of lamenting what a numptie you are, thank your lucky stars something this drastic hasn't happened to you before. Someone here will be able to help you figure out if your information is actually gone or not, or if there are backups there but you don't know where to look for them yet. In the meantime, I'd recommend a dictionary -- you don't need Bill Gates for that -- and intensive use of the Help files that came with the program. The great thing about those warning messages is that they will wait for you while you find out what those unfamiliar words and terms mean. You already had to learn somewhat of a specific vocabulary to be able to do family research in the first place, so this shouldn't be any more of a hurdle than that. And if it will take you a bit longer, there's not one of them that doesn't have an escape or cancel button. Those dialog boxes are invitations, not demands or commands intended to take control of your good sense. You don't need to jump just because one comes up. Take the time to figure out what it's saying first. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] new.framilysearch
Who has access to new FamilySearch? Currently, the new FamilySearch is being rolled out to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in select geographic areas of the world. This also applies to access to new FamilySearch through the FamilySearch API. After new FamilySearch has been rolled out to all Church members, the system will be made available to the general public. https://devnet.familysearch.org/faq/access-to-new-familysearch I don't see a date on this FAQ entry -- has this information changed? Kris Pam O'Dell wrote: No one who is not a church member will ever be able to access the newfamilysearch. That information came straight from the church. Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 00:58:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] new.framilysearch From: thomas.j.k...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Everyone will be able to use it once the limited release is over - likely next year. Tom On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Pam O'Dell pamodel...@hotmail.com wrote: newfamilysearch is now available in RootsMagic 4, but cannot be accessed by anyone who is not a church member. Legacy users will not be able to access it either if they are not church members. To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] new.framilysearch Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 22:39:35 -0400 From: momalo...@aol.com I got an email from new.familysearch that indicatred the beta testing was over and now available in another software prograqm. Can't find anything yet on Legacy. Anybody know??? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] new.framilysearch
Elizabeth wrote: I think it's because it was originally possible to access family search directly from Legacy and that was what some people were trying to establish - but I agree it did seem to drift off topic after that! I don't think it's drifted off-topic at all. The assertion was made that only church members will ever be able to access it. If that's the case, then that is one element of Legacy that the rest of us won't be able to use -- which will result in quite a few posts on this list asking why it doesn't work. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Married Names in Web Pages
Thanks, Ron. I don't have the married names as AKAs, so that's not it -- and explains why checking that box in the Formatting tab doesn't do it. ;-) I can't imagine where I got that idea from. I'm just sure I saw it. This kind of stuff gets pretty frustrating. Thanks for the help. :-) ronald ferguson wrote: Kris, As far as I can remember it has not been possible to include married names in the Surname List. However, if, like me, you have the married names as AKA's then these can be added - Formatting tab. Ron Ferguson Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 15:09:11 -0500 From: gen.mailing.li...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Married Names in Web Pages I thought my surname and name list pages on the website had included the lady's married names. . . but now they don't. Did I uncheck a box that I can't find now? Or did I imagine the whole thing? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Married Names in Web Pages
I thought my surname and name list pages on the website had included the lady's married names. . . but now they don't. Did I uncheck a box that I can't find now? Or did I imagine the whole thing? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy and Access
Dennis M. Kowallek wrote: On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:04:39 +0100, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote: IDIME is the Individual's RIN which allows the Source Detail to be linked to the correct Individual. It can be ... but it can be other things also. If it was always a pointer to a RIN, the programmers would have named it IDIR. ;-) I wonder if there is a better place to discuss these issues. We are probably boring 99% of the LUGgers. So conversations have to not only be on topic, they have to be exciting, too? If that's the case, I'm afraid 99% of the messages here don't measure up. ;-) Two years from now someone who is ignoring this conversation will have an inkling about it and want to be looking for it. It would be a shame if only half of it were archived. :-) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Which Charting Add-On?
Joshua, Not exactly redundant. I like using Charting Companion for the way it prints descendant charts (shows the lineage along the top of the page so you can follow which generation you're looking at). However, that's the only thing I use it for, and it's not absolutely necessary to me. I'm surprised you haven't had more responses on this question. Regards, Kris in Texas --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Joshua Levy joshua2l...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Joshua Levy joshua2l...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Which Charting Add-On? To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 7:09 PM I have version 5 (Deluxe), but am planning to pay for version 7 (Deluxe) real soon now. The ability to make books out of multiple reports in the publishing center is a motivating factor for me. Does version 7 make these add-on productions redundant? --Joshua Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Which Charting Add-On?
Joshua, What version of Legay to you have? I have 7 deluxe and there's a built in charting program already attached. It makes beautiful wall charts without much work at all. Kris in Texas --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Joshua Levy joshua2l...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Joshua Levy joshua2l...@yahoo.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Which Charting Add-On? To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 7:29 PM I have Legacy, and love it. I now want to print out charts for myself and to give to relatives. These would be color wall charts, ranging in size from 11 x16 to 2' x 3' and maybe bigger. Working easily with Legacy is key. I can see Legacy Charting Companion and TreeDraw for Legacy on their web site. Does anyone have any thoughts on which I should get, or if I should get another? Or should I get neither, and just push on Legacy itself, harder. Thanks for any help. Joshua Levy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Picture of census record?
Hi, Brian -- I'm not Geoff, of course, and I don't have the videos that you're talking about. That said -- Brian Beddor wrote: Hi, In the Legacy Training video Researching with Legacy: Events and Chronologies Geoff Rasmussen gives an example of entering a census record. 1st he shows creating the Master Source; then the Detail Source. In the Detail Source the video shows him putting a transcription of the record in the Text/Comments tab. However, he doesn't put a picture or image of the census record in the Multimedia tab before he tells us to enter Save. He goes on to show how to enter the Event as Census and once again has the record transcribed, but this time in the Notes tab under the actual event. He then points to the picture icon and says we may want to save a picture of the census there. Questions: 1. Why transcribe the record two times (once under the Source Detail and a 2nd time under the Notes)? Is there a reason for this redundancy? After a lot of trial and error, I do it this way. Each section serves a different purpose. I tried just putting the transcription in the source detail, but I didn't like the way it printed out and I had to go to that field whenever I wanted to see the others living in the household. It's just a matter of a quick copy/paste into both sections, and I think it's saved me more time than it takes. I have my family group reports set to print the notes section for census events, but those notes don't show up on any of the other reports. So it's works for me. 2. Why put the picture of the census under the Event Census rather than in the Source Detail? Or, should one do both? Hum -- I dunno. Personally, I think it belongs in the source detail -- and that's where I put it. It'll be interesting to see what the other responses are. Kris Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] General Notes VS. Events
ronald ferguson wrote: Just to illustrate that we are all different, I use the Research Notes which might read Also staying at the 1861 census was their grandson Joe Blogs, aged 6 b. Liverpool. His parents are not known.. Ron Ferguson I would love to use the General and Research notes more often, but it's so difficult to source them. I put things in Events more than I would like to, and have a lot of Private events that really are more for research. They print on my working family group sheets, but I can turn them off when I'm sending it to someone else. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Publishing papers and Using Legacy
Connie Sheets wrote: My apology if this is a duplicate for anyone; I sent it yesterday morning but never received it through the list and can't find it in the archives. --- On Thu, 3/26/09, Kris gen.mailing.li...@gmail.com wrote: This issue recently came up (in another context) on another list I read. I thought at the time, and I still do, that *in this situation* it isn't Legacy's job to produce such reports. Someone who seeks to be certified should demonstrate the ability to create these reports themselves, not the ability to stick the facts into a computer program and have the reports created for them. Absolutely. I too couldn't agree more. That is the point I was trying to make (along with answering a specific question as to why Legacy reports weren't sufficient). Hi, Connie -- I rewrote the final sentence on that post several times before I just deleted it entirely. The I'm agreeing with you sentence. :-D But if we are talking about the same list, the recent thread to which you refer was a pleasant departure from most previous threads about databases. There have been several discussions over the past few years about how some databases (or at least TMG) CAN do anything a word processor can do, or can do it with minimal tweaking of a text-based download to a word processor. Between those threads and other discussions in related venues, I was often left wondering if many professionals had the secret keys to something I just couldn't figure out. Yes, I could probably learn to do it with TMG, or start with a Legacy download, but I have better uses for my time. (The fact that Legacy provides txt or rtf file formats for reports suggests they have been trying to meet this need.) I'm pretty sure we're talking about the same list/thread. I don't post there much, but I sure learn a lot. I haven't been subscribed there long, and so didn't know about the previous discussions. I quit reading the thread when people started pointing out that you need to actually write your own reports. :-) I suspect I'm not the only reasonably intelligent person left wondering why all the work involved (using Legacy, TMG, or any other program) would be preferable to starting with the best tool for the job (a word processor). Personally, I've been giving this a lot of thought since this has come up recently here and there. I know I wouldn't be able to keep things straight in my head if I didn't put everything into Legacy -- and I still tend to get confused sometimes -- but I've only been doing this for a few years, and pretty much started with Legacy, so I don't have the massive input situation that you do. For my immediate purposes -- reports for family members and curious cousins -- the Legacy reports are quite sufficient. Most of them don't even care about sources -- they just want to be able to say Kris said so. :-) But should my goals change, I completely agree with you. I am heartened to know that the tide of publicly expressed opinion is finally turning in my direction g. Connie It is most encouraging. :-) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Publishing papers and Using Legacy
Connie Sheets wrote: To see the type of report writing we're talking about, see the BCG website at: http://www.bcgcertification.org/skillbuilders/worksamples.html By clicking on the various links under Case Studies and Proof Arguments, Genealogies, and Research Reports, you can view several examples which meet the standards to which Janis asked if any Legacy UG members were aspiring. I don't know to what extent these requirements apply in Great Britain, Australia, etc., but I suspect there are similar high standards in existence, or emerging, amongst professionals in countries other than the USA. This issue recently came up (in another context) on another list I read. I thought at the time, and I still do, that *in this situation* it isn't Legacy's job to produce such reports. Someone who seeks to be certified should demonstrate the ability to create these reports themselves, not the ability to stick the facts into a computer program and have the reports created for them. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Specific Events without Citations
Hi, Jane -- Thanks for the ideas. I wanted to re-do all of my census cites, anyway, and use the SourceWriter, so it's actually working out for the better. I have everything in Bygones, and it's much easier to just go through that than to try to find everyone who doesn't have census citations. I think you skinned the cat quite nicely. ;-) Kris JCTripp wrote: Kris, It would seem that Dan has the best solution to use a restored latest backup and compare both files in the split screen, especially if new entries would use a higher RIN. If that's not to your liking, I think you can still find a somewhat workable search list. I believe the search for all events without citation is a new feature of ver 7. I have ver 6, but at the bottom of the detailed search window is an option to only search the search list. Using that option, I think you could search for a list of individuals with event name equal to census. Add whatever second /or third criteria that would help you here. ex. for US census date before 1850, to start with a smaller group. Then search in that list using the only search the search list option for the new Ver 7 feature events without citation. Somehow I've convinced myself that this order of census first, no citation second would give you fewer unwanted individuals to inspect. Either way, you'll have some folks on your list with no citation for other than census. Since I don't have ver 7, I'm just guessing how this can be used. You might want to use some tagging to keep track of this project or to reduce the size of your search list. You know your file better than anyone. I should add a disclaimer that usually someone on this LUG comes up with a better way to skin a cat than I do. Best of luck. Jane Tripp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Specific Events without Citations
I found where I can search for people with events that don't have citations attached. Is there some way to search for a *specific* event that isn't cited? In trying to clean up my Master Source List, I ended up DELETING! Yes, DELETING!! ALL of my census citations. *sigh* Yes, I'm an idiot. I have some private Master Events and these don't have citations. So when I try to use the missing sources search for individual events, I get hundreds of people on the search list that I don't need. Yes -- that repeated thunking sound you heard at 3:00 a.m. was my head on the desk. Kris Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Reunion
Joyce, The biggest hit at the reunion I went to last summer was the wall chart I created using Legacy Charting. It was about 8' long x 2' wide. It had 7 generations. I chose to use pictures, which everyone loved, plus names, and year of birth and death. I kept it simple because it was to be used as a graphic depiction of how the family tree really looked. People enjoyed finding themselves on the tree, and then tracing how they were related to others at the reunion. MY expierece was that most of them were more interested in seeing the big, overall picture, and only a few were TRULY interested in the notebook I created with all the families. I was surprised that not everyone was as in to genealogy as I was!! Good luck with YOUR project! Kris in Texas --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Joyce C. Wicks jo...@wicksclan.com wrote: From: Joyce C. Wicks jo...@wicksclan.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Reunion To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 7:12 AM I have the Deluxe Version of Legacy (7.0) Has anyone prepared for a reunion using Legacy? Previously, I never used the address book portion. Now I want to use it plus the genealogy to print a reunion book that includes the genealogy and everyone's address, phone, etc. I also want to print labels to send to those I want to invite to reunion. Also want to be able to print specific branches of the family - for example, the Descendants of Floyd W. Greene and call it the Greene Clan. Can you give me any advice about achieving these goals? Thank you, Joyce Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Web Page From Current Search List
Hi, Ron -- ronald ferguson wrote: Good question! That doesn't seem possible, at least automatically. That's what I thought! LOL! I've been up all night messing with it and finally just checked the supress details for living box. I guess it's understandable as the children are arguably the main purpose of the parent's lives. Perhaps, BUT -- at the risk of giving a computer program a personality -- why are they the main purpose on the web pages (and therefore will be in there whether I like it or not) and not in the GEDCOM? ;-) If you don't have many of these children you could go to their Individual Information Screen and make them invisible. Argh -- too many of them for that. And, the last time I tried it (several updates ago) it didn't work -- the person who was supposed to be invisible showed up on all the reports anyway. I *think* I saw a discussion about it here, but I might just be making that up. :-) Ron Ferguson Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:08:32 -0500 From: gen.mailing.li...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Creating Web Page From Current Search List I have created a search list that is limited to people (1) born before 1930 and (2) with Living marked as NO. I used this list to created my web page, using Selected Records and Set Focus Group. However, the names of people who aren't supposed to be there, and who do *not* appear on the search list, are still on the web page, listed as children of their parents who are deceased. Though there is no page created for them, and so no link from their name, the name is still there. When I create a GEDCOM from this same list, those people just aren't there at all -- which is what I want. I don't want to use Suppress Details for Living People -- I don't want them there at all, which is why I used the search list for the web page. What am I missing? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Creating Web Page From Current Search List
ronald ferguson wrote: Kris wtote: Hi, Ron -- ronald ferguson wrote: Good question! That doesn't seem possible, at least automatically. That's what I thought! LOL! I've been up all night messing with it and finally just checked the supress details for living box. I thought you had done that and were only referring to the names in the Family View Box (are you using Pedigree pages btw?) Yes -- I'm using Pedigree pages. I did that and undid that and did it again. If I have suppress details checked, I get living in the boxes. If I don't, I get their names in the boxes, although I should mention that they don't show up on the names list -- though they ARE included in the count of total. So, the count on the web page of how many individuals there are is about 400 higher than the number of people who are on the search list. So -- while I could make them all invisible, I'd rather be doing something else. Which now sounds silly since I could have been doing something else all night, but . . . :-D I guess it's understandable as the children are arguably the main purpose of the parent's lives. Perhaps, BUT -- at the risk of giving a computer program a personality -- why are they the main purpose on the web pages (and therefore will be in there whether I like it or not) and not in the GEDCOM? ;-) A GEDCOM comprises the individuals, these are linked though even if it is not obvious. Yes -- it's not obvious. I guess they're invisible? ;-) If you don't have many of these children you could go to their Individual Information Screen and make them invisible. Argh -- too many of them for that. And, the last time I tried it (several updates ago) it didn't work -- the person who was supposed to be invisible showed up on all the reports anyway. I *think* I saw a discussion about it here, but I might just be making that up. :-) Correct, there was a lot of discussion when they were were first introduced and they didn't work at all on web pages, which they now do. I think all the obvious bugs have been resolved and I haven't had any problems for a while now. I don't recall if, at the time, I was trying to create web pages. I *was* however, trying to create descendant and ancestor reports and my invisible people showed up in every report I tried to do. I gave up and limited the generations so that the generation they were in would be excluded. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Creating Web Page From Current Search List
I have created a search list that is limited to people (1) born before 1930 and (2) with Living marked as NO. I used this list to created my web page, using Selected Records and Set Focus Group. However, the names of people who aren't supposed to be there, and who do *not* appear on the search list, are still on the web page, listed as children of their parents who are deceased. Though there is no page created for them, and so no link from their name, the name is still there. When I create a GEDCOM from this same list, those people just aren't there at all -- which is what I want. I don't want to use Suppress Details for Living People -- I don't want them there at all, which is why I used the search list for the web page. What am I missing? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Show All Events Checkbox
I don't recall having this problem with v.6 -- at least not to this extent. When I uncheck Show All Events in the Assigned Sources screen, it won't consistently *stay* that way. Tonight, about 90% of the time, when I open the Assigned Sources screen again -- for the same person -- the box is checked again. Is there some global, default setting to uncheck this box? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Suggested improvement or is it just me?
I admit I was a little confused by your first post, but you clarified that pretty quickly. Messages don't appear instantly, though, so you'll probably get quite a few more replies to your original message while things filter through. I've never worked the way you describe, so I gave it a try. Actually, only two of the programs I have running right now (of six -- one of them being Legacy) behaved the way you would want them to. Nothing happened with the rest of them, with the exception of Firefox which opened a *new* window, but which did not focus on the window I already had opened and minimized. Actually, I think the behavior you're describing is a bad idea. There are a few programs -- which you apparently aren't using -- that will start again with the result being that you have two instances of the same program running. I think I've seen this behavior with Bygones, but I couldn't swear to it. Every once in awhile, I'll lose the *taskbar* button for a program I *know* is running -- doesn't happen very often and I don't know why, but that's beside the point. Using ALT + TAB I can find it again, but I certainly don't want to start a second instance of the program -- if it would even start at all. I use ALT + TAB a lot to cycle through open programs and it's great -- and nice and quick if you're a keyboard person. Perhaps this will help you? Kris ci...@treadles.ca wrote: I seem to be having a problem making myself clear here. Sorry about that. Here's the problem. First of all, I keep the Windows Taskbar hidden except when moused over - to maximize screen real estate. 1. Load Legacy. Have a look at something, then minimize it to the Taskbar. 2. Go somewhere else using one side of the monitor area. (Taskbar is not immediately visible). 3. Find something half an hour later that I'd like to enter in Legacy and click on the *Desktop* icon visible on the part of the monitor that's not being used. 4. Nothing happens. At this point, I can't remember if Legacy is still loaded or not. 5. Wonder why the Legacy screen isn't appearing, then check the Taskbar. 6. Click on the Taskbar entry for Legacy and it appears. My question - every other program will re-appear/Maximize/Appear in a window (without having to access or click on anything in the Taskbar) once it's loaded, when the *Desktop* icon is clicked. Why won't Legacy? To summarize, The Taskbar entry for Legacy works just fine, but the Desktop icon only works for initially loading the program, not restoring it. Why not? Can this be changed? Helen Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Suggested improvement or is it just me?
ci...@treadles.ca wrote: Double-clicking on the desktop icon tells the computer to start another copy of the program. You shouldn't want to have two copies of the program running at once. Most other programs just bring up the existing program that's been minimized. I've never had that problem. But two instances of Logacy would be preferable, to me anyway, than the split screen thing, with two different files appearing in the same screen. But that's beside the point. I guess it depends on the programs you're using. Most of the programs I'm using didn't do that. I did what you're wanting to do with two different *versions* of Legacy for a long time -- having one database open in v.5 and one database open in v.6. Worked like a charm and I never had any issues with it. However, each new version of Legacy seems to require updating the databases so they won't work anymore with the older versions. You can get around that, too, by using a back up. HTH Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Longitude and Latitude
Hi, Kevin -- Thanks for the help -- and everyone else, too. I've got it working! Everything is easy once you know how! And now that I know what the math is, I'm even more grateful. :-D Thanks! Kevin Murphy wrote: Look under the Tools menu, select Distance and Bearing Calculator, and in the middle you will find a conversion tool that will change decimal degrees into the required format. Manually it is as in the following example: 123.456789 decimal degrees subtract 123 multiply the remaining 0.456789 x 60 = 27.40734 subtract 27 - this is your minutes figure multiply the remaining 0.40734 x 60 = 24.4404 which is the seconds figure with decimal places. Which goes together as 1232724.440 under Legacy format. Regards Kevin shamrockspi...@gmail.com shamroc...@orcon.net.nz www.shamrockspider.com - - - - - 2009/2/28 Kris gen.mailing.li...@gmail.com Jenny M Benson wrote: Kris wrote I can't figure out how to enter these for my locations. When I pull up a map and try to cut and paste the coordinates, Legacy doesn't like it. It can't be that hard! If you look up Latitude and Longitude in the Help files, there is a section on converting from Decimal to Degrees/Minutes/Seconds. Thanks, Jenny. I *did* check the help files -- there was so much help I couldn't find what I was looking for. Thanks for the convert part. At least now I've found the right section. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Longitude and Latitude
I can't figure out how to enter these for my locations. When I pull up a map and try to cut and paste the coordinates, Legacy doesn't like it. It can't be that hard! For example, on a Google map, I have: Latitude: 35.576N Longitude: -86.578W How do I convert these numbers so I can use them? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Longitude and Latitude
Jenny M Benson wrote: Kris wrote I can't figure out how to enter these for my locations. When I pull up a map and try to cut and paste the coordinates, Legacy doesn't like it. It can't be that hard! If you look up Latitude and Longitude in the Help files, there is a section on converting from Decimal to Degrees/Minutes/Seconds. Thanks, Jenny. I *did* check the help files -- there was so much help I couldn't find what I was looking for. Thanks for the convert part. At least now I've found the right section. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Printing Picture
Jenny M Benson wrote: Kris wrote I want to make a print of a JPG that I have attached to source detail. When I click on it, the only way I can see to print it is Print Picture Album. This is fine -- it's the only picture there. I've been able to get rid of the border lines and the page number at the bottom, but I can't figure out where the title Report at the top of the page is coming from. How do I get rid of it? As far as I can see, the only place where this can be coming from is Title at the Top of Each Page which is the very first item on the Options screen which appears when you click Print Photo Album... On my setup it actually says Photo Album and that is almost certainly the default because I don't every remember going into that screen before: presumably you have changed it to read Report at some stage. Just delete it and leave the box blank if you don't want a heading. Hi, Jenny -- The Title at the Top of each Page field was empty, which is what was throwing me -- I've never gone to that screen before, either -- so I was trying to find where the word Report was coming from, which is what was printing at the top of the page. When I put a space in there, Report disappeared. If I remove the space, Report shows up again -- in other words, the empty field is defaulting to Report. If I keep a space in there, no title appears at the top of the page. I just installed 7.0.0.86 the other day. I don't know what the behavior was prior to that, since I've never tried to Print Photo Album before. Kris Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Printing Picture
Jenny M Benson wrote: Kris wrote The Title at the Top of each Page field was empty, which is what was throwing me -- I've never gone to that screen before, either -- so I was trying to find where the word Report was coming from, which is what was printing at the top of the page. When I put a space in there, Report disappeared. If I remove the space, Report shows up again -- in other words, the empty field is defaulting to Report. If I keep a space in there, no title appears at the top of the page. Thanks for telling us that. I will try and remember in case I ever want to print from there. It's hardly intuitive, is it?! And definitely not at 3:00 a.m. :-D Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Printing Picture
Woo hoo! Finally something that's not all in my head! LOL! Thanks, Brian! :-) Brian/Support wrote: I have entered a Problem report on this. With the Title and Subtitle entries removed the word Report is being added by the program. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. Kris wrote: I want to make a print of a JPG that I have attached to source detail. When I click on it, the only way I can see to print it is Print Picture Album. This is fine -- it's the only picture there. I've been able to get rid of the border lines and the page number at the bottom, but I can't figure out where the title Report at the top of the page is coming from. How do I get rid of it? Thanks Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Printing Picture
Oh, I sure hope so! But that's not a given, either. :-D RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote: But hopefully, in the future, when you see it print 'report', you might have a memory of this discussion. Rich in LA CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] a thank you
Michele Lewis wrote: We seem to do a lot of complaining about Legacy so I thought I would say thank you for a new feature that I really appreciate. I like how when you do a backup it automatically names the backup instead of having to come up with something. I back up my file A LOT more than I was before because it is so much quicker :) michele I just discovered this last night (or was it the night before? g) myself and it IS wonderful! Very much appreciated! :-) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Printing Picture
I want to make a print of a JPG that I have attached to source detail. When I click on it, the only way I can see to print it is Print Picture Album. This is fine -- it's the only picture there. I've been able to get rid of the border lines and the page number at the bottom, but I can't figure out where the title Report at the top of the page is coming from. How do I get rid of it? Thanks Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Printing Picture
Thanks, John. I know that. It would just be a lot simpler to just print it from the program I'm using. I know I can do a work around. I'm just, frankly, a little tired of that (and not just for Legacy). I was told last year that I have too many programs running and low resources and that's why I probably have some of the problems I have. Since I *can* just print it from Legacy, I don't see any reason not to -- except I don't want a title of Report on the page. John S. Adams wrote: Kris, You don't need to print your pictures out from Legacy. Open the picture in a photo program and print it out there. John S. Adams Hermosa Beach, CA -- From: Kris gen.mailing.li...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:47 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Printing Picture I want to make a print of a JPG that I have attached to source detail. When I click on it, the only way I can see to print it is Print Picture Album. This is fine -- it's the only picture there. I've been able to get rid of the border lines and the page number at the bottom, but I can't figure out where the title Report at the top of the page is coming from. How do I get rid of it? Thanks Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Printing Picture and Title on TofC
It must be a different issue. I don't have a Table of Contents page. I have one page -- with the JPG on it -- and Report as a title for the page. momalo...@aol.com wrote: If I understand you correctly, it may be a problem in Legacy 7 and I reported how the title shows up on the Table of Contents page. I just ignore it for now, and figure I can replicate a title page in MS Word or something. Good luck, and if you want to make a bug report go to Legacy News, Support, bug report. I love Legacy, but I know it's not perfect . . . just wish there wasn't so much to learn!!! In a message dated 2/16/2009 7:02:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, gen.mailing.li...@gmail.com writes: I want to make a print of a JPG that I have attached to source detail. When I click on it, the only way I can see to print it is Print Picture Album. This is fine -- it's the only picture there. I've been able to get rid of the border lines and the page number at the bottom, but I can't figure out where the title Report at the top of the page is coming from. How do I get rid of it? Thanks Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Godparents
Vicki I put godparents in the baptism notes. On the individual information screen, next to the baptism date and place input area, is a + sign. If you click that, there is an option to enter notes. I put both godparents' names in there, including other information given in the record, like Johann Breyer (a farmer) and his wife, Susanna nee Guhr, his wife-put in only if it is actually written in the record, which in my grandpa's village in Slovakia, lots was written. In reports it will print near the end, but I find that interesting in that the baptism events for each child are all lined up and I can often see the same godparents all through a certain family (and sometimes not, which is even more interesting; for example why this couple were godparents to the first three children, and a different couple for the next four). Regards, Kris in Texas --- On Sat, 2/14/09, v pedersen amigo...@yahoo.com wrote: From: v pedersen amigo...@yahoo.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Godparents To: Legacy Email List LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Saturday, February 14, 2009, 8:07 PM Hello, I am wondering how various Legacy users enter godparent information. I checked in the archive and see references to an event called Godfather/Godmother, but I don't have that event listed in my events. I realize that I could create such an event, but before I do that, I would like to know how others enter godparent information. For now, I am interested in how to enter a child's godparents. Are there any thoughts on entering this information into the baptism notes or entering it as an event in the Events/Facts area? Also, any thoughts on entering the godparents together as one event or list the godfather and godmother separately? Thank you, Vicki Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] uploading changed web pages
Gene Young wrote: Kris wrote: Hi, Syble -- I use FileZilla (which is free). When you upload, it will ask you if you want to overwrite the files based on a difference in size or creation date. Kris It is not automatic. I didn't say anything about it being automatic. You must read the documentation and make the correct settings. Then it will do a great job. Of course -- I didn't feel the need to say that. I guess you did. This is OT Ah -- finally your point. Thanks for putting me in my place. I was missing my mother this morning. and better help can be found online. No comment. Kris Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] web page question
Hi, Michele -- I have this problem all the time, especially if the program has been running for awhile, but that isn't consistent, either. I just close the program, start it up again, and it works fine -- until the next time. Kris Michele Lewis wrote: I created my web pages. I uploaded them according to the directions given by Charter.net (All I had to do was drag and drop the file onto the Charter FTP window). The files DID upload and I can see them but... There doesn't seem to be an index page! When I access my web page I get a list of files like this... Parent Directory - 1.htm 29-Jan-2009 22:50 12K 2.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:25 12K 10.htm 29-Jan-2009 22:50 20K 11.htm 29-Jan-2009 22:53 12K 12.htm 29-Jan-2009 22:56 13K 13.htm 29-Jan-2009 22:59 12K 14.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:02 12K 15.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:05 14K 16.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:09 19K 17.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:12 19K 18.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:16 16K 19.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:20 17K 20.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:25 16K If I click on the files they do work and I get the web page just fine. It just appears that no index page was generated by Legacy. I am not sure what I did wrong. Here is my home page address. Take a look and tell me how to fix this. http://webpages.charter.net/cranberryfrog/ Then click on MICHELE and you will see all my files. michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] web page question
Hi, Ronald -- In re-reading Michele's original message -- and the responses -- I misunderstood the problem she is having. However, I am pretty convinced that the problem I *do* have -- on a regular basis -- is related to Legacy. Other people have posted about it before, and it has happened on all of my computers. Loading saved settings doesn't help. Sometimes it just doesn't work, and restarting the program has always solved the problem (the page says there are no names or entries, but all the relevant pages are actually in the directory). Sorry I confused the issue. Kris ronald ferguson wrote: Kris, This one occasion that I can say quite specifically that this is not a Legacy problem. I am creating Legacy programs literally every day and have never had a problem such as Michelle and yourself describe, other than by making errors myself. I would strongly recommend that the Legacy web creation page set-up is saved and loaded when required. Remember also that changes to your Legacy main settings will also affect web pages. There are problems with the way in which Legacy codes web pages, but problems such of these are quite unrelated. Ron Ferguson _ Now completely revised http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:03:18 -0600 From: gen.mailing.li...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] web page question Hi, Michele -- I have this problem all the time, especially if the program has been running for awhile, but that isn't consistent, either. I just close the program, start it up again, and it works fine -- until the next time. Kris Michele Lewis wrote: I created my web pages. I uploaded them according to the directions given by Charter.net (All I had to do was drag and drop the file onto the Charter FTP window). The files DID upload and I can see them but... There doesn't seem to be an index page! When I access my web page I get a list of files like this... Parent Directory - 1.htm 29-Jan-2009 22:50 12K 2.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:25 12K 10.htm 29-Jan-2009 22:50 20K 11.htm 29-Jan-2009 22:53 12K 12.htm 29-Jan-2009 22:56 13K 13.htm 29-Jan-2009 22:59 12K 14.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:02 12K 15.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:05 14K 16.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:09 19K 17.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:12 19K 18.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:16 16K 19.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:20 17K 20.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:25 16K If I click on the files they do work and I get the web page just fine. It just appears that no index page was generated by Legacy. I am not sure what I did wrong. Here is my home page address. Take a look and tell me how to fix this. http://webpages.charter.net/cranberryfrog/ Then click on MICHELE and you will see all my files. michele _ Love Hotmail? Check out the new services from Windows Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/132630768/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] web page question
Hi, Ronald -- I forgot to add to my response that I'm not changing any of my settings. Nothing. Unless adding more people counts? :-D I create my HTML pages -- everything works fine. I go back, in the same session, not changing anything but adding more people, create it again and have the problem. I don't want to hijack Michele's thread and gave up on trying to find out what was going on a long time ago when I participated in a discussion where someone else was having the same problem. It was hashed and re-hashed, but it never was resolved. Check/Repair didn't solve the problem. Like I said, I just close the program and restart it and it works once again, so that's my solution for now. :-D Kris ronald ferguson wrote: Kris, I was thinking specifically in terms of the web creation section of the program and, indeed, did mention that changes in the rest of one's settings can affect the web pages - and this may be the problem in your case. Unfortunately there is too little information to see your problem. It does sound, though, as if a Check/Repair wouldn't come amiss. This is something I carry out regularly to help ensure smooth running. Ron Ferguson _ Now completely revised http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:12:14 -0600 From: gen.mailing.li...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] web page question Hi, Ronald -- In re-reading Michele's original message -- and the responses -- I misunderstood the problem she is having. However, I am pretty convinced that the problem I *do* have -- on a regular basis -- is related to Legacy. Other people have posted about it before, and it has happened on all of my computers. Loading saved settings doesn't help. Sometimes it just doesn't work, and restarting the program has always solved the problem (the page says there are no names or entries, but all the relevant pages are actually in the directory). Sorry I confused the issue. Kris ronald ferguson wrote: Kris, This one occasion that I can say quite specifically that this is not a Legacy problem. I am creating Legacy programs literally every day and have never had a problem such as Michelle and yourself describe, other than by making errors myself. I would strongly recommend that the Legacy web creation page set-up is saved and loaded when required. Remember also that changes to your Legacy main settings will also affect web pages. There are problems with the way in which Legacy codes web pages, but problems such of these are quite unrelated. Ron Ferguson _ Now completely revised http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:03:18 -0600 From: gen.mailing.li...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] web page question Hi, Michele -- I have this problem all the time, especially if the program has been running for awhile, but that isn't consistent, either. I just close the program, start it up again, and it works fine -- until the next time. Kris Michele Lewis wrote: I created my web pages. I uploaded them according to the directions given by Charter.net (All I had to do was drag and drop the file onto the Charter FTP window). The files DID upload and I can see them but... There doesn't seem to be an index page! When I access my web page I get a list of files like this... Parent Directory - 1.htm 29-Jan-2009 22:50 12K 2.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:25 12K 10.htm 29-Jan-2009 22:50 20K 11.htm 29-Jan-2009 22:53 12K 12.htm 29-Jan-2009 22:56 13K 13.htm 29-Jan-2009 22:59 12K 14.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:02 12K 15.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:05 14K 16.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:09 19K 17.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:12 19K 18.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:16 16K 19.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:20 17K 20.htm 29-Jan-2009 23:25 16K If I click on the files they do work and I get the web page just fine. It just appears that no index page was generated by Legacy. I am not sure what I did wrong. Here is my home page address. Take a look and tell me how to fix this. http://webpages.charter.net/cranberryfrog/ Then click on MICHELE and you will see all my files. michele _ Hotmail, Messenger, Photos and more - all with the new Windows Live. Get started! http://www.download.live.com/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http
Re: [LegacyUG] web page question
Hi, Ron! Actually, I'm not uploading them, I'm viewing them. After you create the web pages, you can view them in your browser locally first (which I know you know g). When I'm viewing them, if I find a problem, I go back and fix it, and create the web pages again. What I'm usually finding is people marked living who are obviously not. So I go back, correct the living indicators, and create the pages again. This isn't, of course, the only thing that can come up, but it happens often enough. I don't have near the entries in my database that you do -- only a few thousand. So do overs for me aren't near the project they are for you. :-) Kris ronald ferguson wrote: Kris, I haven't tried the sequence which you describe ie. create web pages, upload, add more people create new web pages and upload all in one session. I will have a look at what happens early next week. To be honest after this I've done test I cannot envisage me ever wishing to to it again either ;-) Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] uploading changed web pages
Hi, Syble -- I use FileZilla (which is free). When you upload, it will ask you if you want to overwrite the files based on a difference in size or creation date. Kris Syble Glasscock wrote: I think I've seen this discussed before, but checked archives and really didn't know what to search for. I use WS_FTP to upload my legacy web pages, which are over 10MB, and to reload the entire file takes quite a while. I have uploaded a few files when I'd make certain changes, but I'd really like something that would compare the files online to my new files and highlight or something showing what files need to be uploaded. thanks, Syble Glasscock Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Reason to Print An Individual Report
Hi, Cathy -- So far, the only time I've printed an Individual Report is for someone who never got married or had children. I have always entered common events for both the husband and wife (not as marriage events) and never gave it a second thought until some of the discussions came up here. I guess it might be redundant, but I've already had several instances where they were living separately. And sometimes I don't know if both people are living together -- or if the spouse is even still alive -- when I'm working on it. I can see how it would be more efficient to enter the common events under the marriage, but for me it would be just one more thing to check, or change, and I'm already programmed to look for that kind of thing for each person. I'm looking forward to seeing how others make use of the Individual Report. Kris Cathy Vallevieni wrote: I am struggling (as many others have) with putting residences and other common events in both the husband and wife's Events rather than one time in the Marriage Events. I know the commonly cited reason is Marriage Events don't print on Individual Reports. In thinking about this, I can't think of a time I would print an Individual Report. I believe I would always print a Family Group Report or Descendant Report if a person had been married. Can anyone that has printed an Individual Report tell me what the purpose was for printing that report vs. one of the other reports? Thank you. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Various Sources within a single Note
I number the sections of my notes as I add them, e.g. (1) (2) (3). Then in source detail, on the Text/Comments tab, I put the correlating number and a brief description of what was added. So for a marriage note, the first note might be the names of the bridesmaids and groomsmen, so in source deatil I'd say (1) Names of wedding party. Later, as I learn more, I might add a tidbit I'd learned, like (2) Uncle Jim had to fly 15 hours from Australia to attend, and in the Text/Comments tab I'd say (2) Added story about Uncle Jim. Hope this helps. Kris in Texas --- On Sun, 1/25/09, ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com wrote: From: ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Various Sources within a single Note To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 8:52 AM Arnold, It is possible to add more than one source to notes, just add the second and later sources as you did for the first. What cannot be done though is to add sources which point to different parts of the note. To be on the safe side, make sure you save between each source addition. Ron Ferguson _ Now completely revised http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 07:33:48 -0700 From: aspra...@chicagogsb.edu Subject: [LegacyUG] Various Sources within a single Note To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com What do I do when I want to enter information into Notes for an individual when this information is based on *various* Sources? It seems to me that Notes allows for *only* one Source. That is, the whole Note must be linked to a single Source. I need a work-around. I have read the manual and looked at the Help link, but do not see this addressed. Thank you, Arnold _ Windows Live Messenger just got better .Video display pics, contact updates more. http://www.download.live.com/messenger Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Chronological View for REPORT - how to edit it?
Did you save the notes after deleting? If you just exit out, what you deleted is still there because you haven't saved that change. Just a thought (from someone who's done that). Kris in Texas --- On Sat, 1/17/09, momalo...@aol.com momalo...@aol.com wrote: From: momalo...@aol.com momalo...@aol.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Chronological View for REPORT - how to edit it? To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 9:00 AM snip In trying to edit information in the Chronology Tab, I couldn't. So I went to the Family View tap, as suggested by LUG,using my husband, Richard Ashby JOHNSON as main person on the screen, clicked on Notes, and then copied the information, took it to MS WORD for safety, then deleted it in Legacy, but it still appeared in the Chronology Section tab. I even closed Legacy and opened it again. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Apple
I am always fascinated when people defend something like this as mere words. Books, poetry, love letters and Dear John letters are also mere words. Your mere words were obviously designed to hurt and upset someone. Looks like you not only hit your intended target, but got a nice spray as well. Aren't you proud of yourself? Wynthner wrote: Gail, Your post was fine. I find it hard to believe that mere words would keep someone from posting but whatever. The problem comes when someone keeps up the same pattern of behavior after being repeatedly told about it- as Mommalot has been repeatedly told about her posting in HTML. --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Gail Dyer gdy...@cogeco.ca wrote: From: Gail Dyer gdy...@cogeco.ca Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Apple To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:46 PM I have been one of the lurkers (that Janis referred to in one of her posts) that will never post a question to this list. It is responses like the one that Wythner wrote that have kept me from posting. I have posted on many a computer forum over the years, but until now, I have not posted to this list. For sure, I will do something wrong and be berated in the responses. I am unsure if I am responding in the correct manner to this post but I am sure I will read about it if I have not followed the guidelines correctly. Gail Dyer Wynthner wrote: Look Lady- either get an e-mail address you can set to ALWAYS send in plain text or quit posting- got it?? !! PS- And I don't care how olds you are- age is no excuse for stupidity! http://www.homegail.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Why are we using this mailing list?
MKO wrote: Done - hopefully Legacy will do something about this but its not very encouraging if they are not even going to comment on the post that started all this. Actually, there was a comment about the post that started all of this. Perhaps you haven't gotten to that message yet. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Ibid feature and unknown spouse
Your email program should give you an option to deal with those automatically. It would probably be easier to change the way you do things than to try to change the way a number of other people do things. Bruce McArthur wrote: Hi It would be nice if people who, for some obsure reason, require read receipts would turn it off when posting to a group such as this, as it is intensely annoying to be asked for an acknowledgement when you are trying to quickly scan a set of emails and may not even be interested in the subject. jaemtp you may not know it but I'm talking about you, but you are not alone. thanks Bruce McArthur Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Four generation tree with photos for grandkids
I use the family tree tab in the Reports list -- Click reports, click on other tab. There is option for family tree there, which includes a very nice picture of a tree, with photos dangling from the branches. I'm not at home, just responding from memory. Have given these trees to many as a snapshot of their heritage. Kris in Texas --- On Mon, 12/29/08, carogene carog...@gmail.com wrote: From: carogene carog...@gmail.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Four generation tree with photos for grandkids To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 9:54 PM I am looking for a template to use for producing a simple 4 gen tree, that will include a photo of each person for my young grandchildren. Ideally I would like to use Legacy charting, but I cannot find a background that shows an image of just a single large tree. Has anyone else done this? I would welcome your tips please. Many thanks Carolyn New Zealand. *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] [LegacyUserGroup] List Posting Error Notification
ronald ferguson wrote: Now be fair, Don, he is not the only one, but I agree totally with your observation as it applies to that group. Ron Ferguson Besides that, it's NOT spam -- not by any of these definitions (though I admit I only read the first screen): http://tinyurl.com/5nqxcd We can only hope that any ISP that might get a complaint can actually tell the difference. You can't do much about true spam. The solution to this problem is simple -- unsubscribe from the list (opt-out) and you're not bothered anymore. *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] [LegacyUserGroup] List Posting Error Notification
Good grief! This has been going on for *ages*! It's NOT news! We're all getting them! The glitch is bad enough -- do we have to have play-by-play reports now too? Jim Smith wrote: Gene, Four more just came in Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gene Hutson Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 11:08 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] [LegacyUserGroup] List Posting Error Notification That's OK, I receive that many in an hour, and some even back to back. I've hit the delete key so often it's about to run out of juice. LOL Gene - Original Message - From: Jim Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 9:10 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] [LegacyUserGroup] List Posting Error Notification This is the 8th time I've received this message. Huh? Jim *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What's new in 7.0.0.76 ?
I haven't downloaded the latest update, but v.7.0.0.55 on my computer is close to 50MB -- and took hours to download. I only recently got high speed (and love it) but being on 24k dial-up didn't stop me. I just left it to run overnight with a download manager. Kris Colin Liddell wrote: I don't understand why it should take that long to download, the file is only just over 2.3Mb in size. To my way of thinking it should take just over 20 minutes at your download speed. Colin in a warm Brisbane. -- - Original Message - From: Carl Cox To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:16 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] What's new in 7.0.0.76 ? Why not use a download manager I used to use Star Downloader when I was on dial-up and still use it as I really like the way it I can tell where a problem is if I am having a problem downloading. At 10 minutes per mb downloading time, it is more than 4 hours to download, and with 4 people sharing our slow connection - - - I will wait for a high speed connection somewhere. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Error Generating Web Pages With Legacy 7
Arnold Weiss wrote: I have been using Legacy for several years and recently upgraded to version 7. I recently added several new individuals to my family file bringing the count to 1323 individuals. When I generate the Web Pages, the Surname List and List Of Names now have zero entries. This used to work fine as recently as yesterday (although the count was lower). Have I hit some limit? Is there a bug? Help would be appreciated. Hi, Arnold -- I've had this problem for a long time, and not just with v.7 -- it used to happen with v.6, too. I just exit Legacy, start it up again, and go through the creation process again -- and everything is fine. HTH Kris Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] web pages
I'm sorry, but I haven't laughed this hard in ages! Thanks for the giggle! Don't you just HATE when they do that?!?! I hope she isn't too up set with you -- eventually. :-D Pamela Cooper wrote: Hi Sis We have just moved so are on dial up until they can connect us and your messages are jamming my internet connection . . . Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] What's the best way to source a relationship?
What's the best way to source a relationship? Do you go to Children's Settings? When I set the reports to show the Child Status or Child-Parent Relationships, the report is so -- messy? I was, for example, citing the birth certificate for the parent's name. Don't know how long it took me to figure out *that* was a bad idea. That doesn't really work, and it's pretty ambiguous. Of course, a birth certificate is usually pretty cut and dried, but if I'm thinking I've established a parent/child relationship by other means, what's the best way to source it? Am I missing something obvious here? TIA Kris ** $10 OFF when you spend $50 or more in our store. Use coupon code: Legacy2008 at checkout. Offer expires 10/31/08 ** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What's the best way to source a relationship?
Hi, JLB -- I was surprised to see this response since I've been getting you are not permitted to post notices from the mail server. JLB wrote: Without understanding what you're doing so far, I will hazard a guess. You've probably noticed that on the Assigned Sources screen for each individual there are options for Father Rel: and Mother Rel:. This is where I put sources that clearly define the Parent/Child relationship. If you click on either of those and then either the large button that says Cite a Master Source or Add a New Source that would be where to put your source. Yes, this is what I'm talking about. Why your reports are 'messy' I can also only guess. Is this related to report problems for which we're awaiting the program update still? Even though I quit following all the report problem threads a long time ago, I don't think it has anything to do with the coming update. I do, however, have a private person appearing in reports -- is this one of the known problems? I've only just geared up again after taking a break for a few months, so I'm waiting for the update, too, before I ask about any glitches. What I'm talking about is an entry like this, from the Ancestor Book report: The child from this marriage was: i. John Doe (Relationship to Father: Biological,(3) Relationship to Mother: Biological (3) ) was born on 1 January 1902.(3) I'd like the fact that the relationship *is* sourced to appear some way -- but I don't like *this* way. If it's just for my own information, it works fine in family group records and the like. But if I send an Ancestor Book or Descendant Book to someone else, this looks like a clunky way to show that I have proof of the parent/child relationship. I just wanted to know if there was another way to do it that would appear more elegantly in narrative reports. I don't know why you'd find birth certificate a 'bad idea' for a source. I use it all the time myself. Also Death certificates. Of course I don't think using a birth certificate is a bad idea. That was a poorly worded sentence. That's why I hate posting stuff -- I never seem to express myself very well. It's applying the source to the parent's Given or Surname field that's a bad idea. Sorry about that! The Childrens' Settings source button will take you to Child Status. Unless this is other than 'natural' I don't bother with it. Me either. OK, having said all that, I can see that I still don't understand your problem. Well, thanks for trying! Otherwise I wouldn't have known my message even made it to the list -- I don't get my own messages using GMail. Don't know why the mail server is sending me all these messages, but then tells me I need to subscribe to post. ;-) Does the additional information help at all? Kris Kris wrote: What's the best way to source a relationship? Do you go to Children's Settings? When I set the reports to show the Child Status or Child-Parent Relationships, the report is so -- messy? I was, for example, citing the birth certificate for the parent's name. Don't know how long it took me to figure out *that* was a bad idea. That doesn't really work, and it's pretty ambiguous. Of course, a birth certificate is usually pretty cut and dried, but if I'm thinking I've established a parent/child relationship by other means, what's the best way to source it? Am I missing something obvious here? TIA Kris ** $10 OFF when you spend $50 or more in our store. Use coupon code: ‘Legacy2008’ at checkout. Offer expires 10/31/08 ** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What's the best way to source a relationship?
Hi, JLB I know about the defaults. I don't remember at this point, but I think you have to actually check those child-parent relationship and child status boxes for those fields to print in those reports in the first place. I don't think they're on by default. My point is, if I have the child-parent relationship setting off, then there's nothing in the report that shows how I made the connection between that child and those parents. Thus my original question. Kris JLB wrote: Sorry, I missed all your responses the first time. What I'm seeing now is that you don't like the wording in reports. There's an option to turn it off under the Include tab. Always check the defaults under each tab before you print a report so you get to know your way around and more quickly in the future set it up the way you want. None of the defaults suit me so I always change some things. - JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog ** $10 OFF when you spend $50 or more in our store. Use coupon code: ‘Legacy2008’ at checkout. Offer expires 10/31/08 ** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What's the best way to source a relationship?
Hi, Ron -- Well, obviously I've just made a total mess of this, since no one seems to understand what I'm talking about, so I'll try it this way -- What FIELD do I attach the source citation to? I know children are linked through birth certificates, etc., but what FIELD do I use for this in the *mother* or *father's* individual information screen? Yes, I source the child's birth date, etc., with the birth certificate in the *child's* information screen -- but what about the parents' information screens? I agree that if I have a birth certificate source, anyone reading the report can probably assume that the child is linked to the parents through that source. But what if this is *before* birth certificates? And I'm using a combination of other information and sources to determine that Baby Doe is the child of John Doe and Jane Doe? If I have a will, some deeds, some newspaper articles and some census information that all points to this being the child of these parents, what FIELD in the parent's information screen do I use to show that this source, or these sources, link these individuals that will also show up on an ancestor or descendant report -- other than the father or mother relationships in the Children's settings? Or is it just the fact that the child shows up in the report as the child of this marriage, and then when someone asks me how I determined that, I then tell them how I did it? And hope that they ask me before I'm dead myself? Kris ronald ferguson wrote: Kris, You write: My point is, if I have the child-parent relationship setting off, then there's nothing in the report that shows how I made the connection between that child and those parents. Thus my original question. I feel that this statement is too strong and rather depends on how one arranges the reports. For example they can be shown to be linked to their parents in the Sources by a birth certificate or by a census, admittedly the latter cannot always (arguably never) be used as proof of the parentage. I do not usually publish details of the child status as such, but it can often be inferred from date of birth. Ron Ferguson ** $10 OFF when you spend $50 or more in our store. Use coupon code: Legacy2008 at checkout. Offer expires 10/31/08 ** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What's the best way to source a relationship?
Well, we must both be muddy the same way, 'cause this makes perfect sense to me. Thank you! :-) Kris Jessica Morgan wrote: After reading your quandry, and some of the responses, there's definately no right or wrong way. Personally, if I am deducing information from sources without actually having a source for the event or information in question, I would put it as an event (now that I use events) that I've made and named Deduction, writing out what I deduced and from what and why. I then source it to any and all documents that back this deduction up, as well as attach a source that I've named Self Deduction, citing myself as the source, and my thoughts as the detail. Clear as mudd? Jessica Morgan On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Kris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Ron -- Well, obviously I've just made a total mess of this, since no one seems to understand what I'm talking about, so I'll try it this way -- What FIELD do I attach the source citation to? I know children are linked through birth certificates, etc., but what FIELD do I use for this in the *mother* or *father's* individual information screen? Yes, I source the child's birth date, etc., with the birth certificate in the *child's* information screen -- but what about the parents' information screens? I agree that if I have a birth certificate source, anyone reading the report can probably assume that the child is linked to the parents through that source. But what if this is *before* birth certificates? And I'm using a combination of other information and sources to determine that Baby Doe is the child of John Doe and Jane Doe? If I have a will, some deeds, some newspaper articles and some census information that all points to this being the child of these parents, what FIELD in the parent's information screen do I use to show that this source, or these sources, link these individuals that will also show up on an ancestor or descendant report -- other than the father or mother relationships in the Children's settings? Or is it just the fact that the child shows up in the report as the child of this marriage, and then when someone asks me how I determined that, I then tell them how I did it? And hope that they ask me before I'm dead myself? Kris ** $10 OFF when you spend $50 or more in our store. Use coupon code: Legacy2008 at checkout. Offer expires 10/31/08 ** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Entering English Locations
Jenny M Benson wrote: I don't use England at all. I only use the country if outside England. I know quite a few people say they only use the country name for locations outside their own country, but personally I think this is not a good idea. For starters, will other people inheriting your research know that this is your practice? Also, it could lead to confusion if you accidentally forgot to add the country. I like the consistency of seeing the country name every time, too! I started doing the same thing. Most of my locations are USA, but I've started including that in my locations. You just never know. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff
We do not need a tutorial on spamming... this is a user group of your product... let's keep that the topic and perhaps we will get back to the core purpose of this list. Michael A. Palmieri Actually, it would appear that you do, since you don't seem to understand the dynamic involved. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff
Some ISPs do a pretty good job of blocking stuff like that. After reading Ron's message, I found them. GMail did a pretty good job of snagging them. Unfortunately, I also found quite a few other messages from the LUG in there, too -- legitimate ones. :-) Kirsten Bowman wrote: Nor have I. None in my spam folder and none in my ISP's spam folder. Is it luck, or is it a matter of filters and settings? Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ron Bernier Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:26 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff My spam filter apparently is working great. I haven't received any of these spam messages. Regards, Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff
It's a problem with GMail's spam filters and they are *not* optional. There is a lot of discussion about it on the GMail lists. It isn't the LUG messages, specifically, that are snagged, and I'd only be speculating why some are marked and most are not (GMail techs won't discuss the criteria, for obvious reasons). But I really don't think it's because of HTML -- so many people use that that it isn't a reliable identifier. It's a good reminder, though, that if people find they are missing parts of conversations on the LUG, to check the spam folder -- whether you're using GMail or your ISP has filters. At the risk of beating a dead horse, I think if the LUG messages were configured to only include the LUG email address, and not the sender's personal address, it might make a difference. The other lists that I am on that do *not* include the personal address on the From line -- or include a LIST header, don't end up in the spam folder. Kirsten Bowman wrote: Kris: I also get a fair amount of LUG mail in my spam folder both on my computer and in my ISP's spam folder. Sometimes I pull them out and read them; sometimes I don't. Do you know the cause? Perhaps this is a good time to remind listers (yet again) to send in plain text--or chance ending up in the spam box with no replies. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kris Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 2:07 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] fake messages from Geoff Some ISPs do a pretty good job of blocking stuff like that. After reading Ron's message, I found them. GMail did a pretty good job of snagging them. Unfortunately, I also found quite a few other messages from the LUG in there, too -- legitimate ones. :-) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Am I suscribed or not? and how do/did I do it or undo it?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is probably an AOL issue. Some ISP's automatically delete messages that originate from the same persone who would be receiving them (you). GMail does that -- I never see my own messages posted. Since most of them don't get a response, I just assume they're getting through and no one knows the answer -- or hasn't had time to respond. Kris Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Vista and V 7 and new computer - any helpful comments please ?
I battled Vista for over a year. Finally, a couple of weeks ago, I found a computer with XP installed and I am happy, happy, happy. That said, Legacy (v.6 and v.7) worked just fine. Valerie Garton wrote: I am about to buy a light weight laptop - any suggestions I have been trying to avoid Vista BUT I am wondering whether I should not bite the bullet and get it now as it is probably inevitable that I am going to have to do that in a year or two anyway. 1. Do you think that all the bugs have been sorted out in Vista ? 2. How is V7 performing with Vista 3. Are there any special tasks required when installing V7 with Vista. 4. I would be pleased to receive any helpful comments Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Marilyn
GeoSci wrote: THE LIST DOES NOT ALLOW attachments (nor .html messages). Well, apparently it does -- I received it. This has been going on for years and I just don't understand it. Yes, people should read the list rules, but, for all kinds of reasons (just forgetting being the major one), things like this are going to happen. HTML messages and list attachments should be *stripped at the server* and I do not understand why the Legacy team is so dedicated to this ineffective system which is not, or cannot be, configured to do it's job. After someone with less than noble intentions has subscribed to the list, sent an infected attachment, and unsubscribed, those read the list rules warnings won't mean a darn thing. Of course, savvy as we are, no one on this list would actually open any attachments -- right? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
Ah! I see it now! Don't know how I could have missed that, with the small traffic on this list and all. LOL! Thank you! (And thanks to Sherry, too!) Cathy Vallevieni wrote: Kris: It was Sherry but the below message was her final message. To see the whole thread, including Sherry's comment, click at the bottom of this e-mail on Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ then find the thread with the subject line above and follow it. Look at Sherry's first message for what you are referring to. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA At 08:14 PM 8/5/2008, you wrote: Did I read here that you have to limit the size of your photos, source documents, etc., because the database can only hold so much? (That's an elegant sentence, isn't it?) Or did I make that up? I don't know where I would get that -- those things are linked, not stored in the actual database, yes? Media files are backed up separately -- is there a limit on how large that backup can be? Kris (I know, I know -- but y'all will figure out what I was trying to say. I have faith!) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Which file is best for a 1-page written document?
Did I read here that you have to limit the size of your photos, source documents, etc., because the database can only hold so much? (That's an elegant sentence, isn't it?) Or did I make that up? I don't know where I would get that -- those things are linked, not stored in the actual database, yes? Media files are backed up separately -- is there a limit on how large that backup can be? Kris (I know, I know -- but y'all will figure out what I was trying to say. I have faith!) Sherry/Support wrote: I've been chatting with Geoff on this he sticks with using the larger file size pictures because if you create charts in Legacy Charting and the resolution isn't high enough, the pictures will be pixilated. However if you have too many large pictures linked in the Picture Gallery, you'll find strange things in the Picture Center when linking or viewing pictures. So I guess it's going to be up to the user's needs - speed or wall charts g Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Keeping Track of Transcription Submissions
I like to submit my transcriptions to the USGenWeb projects and similar sites. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can keep track of these in Legacy? Or would it be better to just use my research log program for that? I'm thinking the latter, but if there's something I'm missing in Legacy that could make this work, I'd like to try it. Thanks! Kris Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sharing family research - sourcing
Jenny, Yes this is how I do it too. Importantly, in the source detail comments box, I add exactly which piece of the puzzle I've gotten from these subsequent sources, e.g., Middle initial 'S' added per census and then Middle initial 'S' changed to 'Suzanne' per marriage record. I check the little box on that screen to include in source citation so that sometimes the sources are pretty interesting to read in and of themselves (like we don't have enough to do already!) and then I know exactly where I got each piece. Kris in Texas If I find a relative married someone who's Christening I find on the IGI, where it states the person's mother was Mary, I first of all cite that Christening Record as a Source for Mary's Name. Then I look for a Marriage Record and from that I get her surname (let's say Brown) so I then cite the Marriage Record. Then I find Mary Brown's Christening Record so I will cite that as a third Source for her name. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] RE: New Thread: Occupations as Separate Events from Census Returns
I have it set up so that the census notes print in the family group sheet, but not in the other reports. Saves having to re-type the information in another place, which I would probably forget to do. ;-) GeoSci wrote: Chris, I actually have gone in and made both Occupation and Residence entries - then made the Census PRIVATE and usually do not print it at all. I do mention in General Notes that the person was listed on the US Census for 1870, 1880 and 1900 or whatever. The resulting reports are much more friendly to read. If anyone wnts the actual Census citation (boring!) - I can print them easily enough. Keith On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 2:23 PM, CHRISTOPHER HUNT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I have been using Legacy for about 4 years but have only just joined this mailing list. I have been recording census results as events with the all the details recorded as notes. However I have also recorded any given residence and occupation as separate events. 1 For occupations having recorded the full census date the wording comes out rather unwieldy in reports e.g. He worked as a Brewer on 03 Apr 1881 Obviously you cannot deduce that he was actually working on the census date. Would it be better to just enter the year? 2 I am working with English census returns. Pupils are recorded as scholars and again I have used the occupation event to record this fact but working as a Scholar in a report doesn't sound correct. Would an overiding comment such as He was described as a scholar in the 1881 Census sound better. 3 Should I just stop adding occupations separateley as they have already been recorded in the census notes. I realize the choice is mine but would welcome your views. Chris Hunt Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Citing LONG!! url's
For Ancestry.com, I use the source given on the Ancestry.com summary page (which is just after clicking view record and just before clicking view original image). Below the summary of information is a listing for Source Citation and Source Information. For census records I use the source citation info for the *source detail* in census events and I use the source information for the *master source list*. I am a lumper and have only one master source for each year of the census, e.g. 1930 Federal Census (where I put the Source Information data), with the specifics given in the source detail for that particular census event (where I put the Source Citation data). I am not using the new source writer; I do not intend to publish my research; just want family to know where I found particular information. This avoids the need for a very lengthy url and attendant problems already discussed. I use that same system for any records found on Ancestry. BTW, I found the description field in Census events to be a great place to put the word Federal or Iowa State defining term. It makes for a nice printout on reports. Kris in Texas --- On Fri, 6/27/08, Michele Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michele Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Citing LONG!! url's To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 7:25 AM I only cite the short URL (www.ancestry.com). There are two reasons. For one thing Ancesty (or whoever) could easily reorganize their website and then the URL wouldn't work. If you go to the main site, you can find the document because you know the particulars and could easily search for the info. Also, Ancestry and the like are subscription services. If you don't have a subscription you won't be able to access it anyway. michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Mills inconsistency
Now *I'm* confused. I've entered census information for 1850-1930 and haven't found a single instance where the person of interest couldn't be entered. I just checked 1930 and you do have to scroll down to get to this field in the detail screen -- is that the problem, maybe? Michele Lewis wrote: I realize all the census years are different but why ask who the person of interest is (the head) on one census but not on another when that particular piece of information is on EVERY census. michele - Original Message - From: Robert Carneal USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mills inconsistency Michele- It depends on what else was asked that year but not asked in other years. Sometimes that is viewed as more useful or more important. Note that in 1870 they asked if Father was foreign born, Mother was foreign born, and if you were eligible to vote. Some years they asked about the number of slaves the property owned had. Obviously the question no longer applies today. In 1900, they asked about Citizenship, how long a person had been in this country (useful in researching immigration papers), In 1910, they asked about about the Mother of how many children? And then they asked how many of those children were living? The answer could be the mother had eight children, and six were living for example during that census year. That information is useful in informing the researcher that by 1910, Kathy had eight children. So the researcher begins to look for eight kids. He knows that by 1910, two were no longer living. That is a clue. Mills wrote her book in hopes that the reader would use her examples for consistencies, yes, but she had to change her examples based on what the census (whatever year) offered. If you decide to follow her examples, your sources will be consistent, even though it appears to differ from census year to census year, they will be the same for same census to same census. That was one of the primary goals for Ms. Mills. Legacy has a blank sample of sources for the every year, I believe. It is under Books and Other, select the Forms Center button, and then go to US Federal. You can compare and contrast them, perhaps seeing the differences on blank sheets will help. Robert Michele Lewis wrote: Ok, now I am confused. Mills is supposed to make sourcing more consistent but it isn't! Yesterday I put in census records for 1850-1930 (all the years that have names and not just numbers). For each year the source writer asks for different information. In some years it asks for the person of interest and some years not. In some years it askes for the dwelling and family number and in some years only the dwelling number. All of this info is available for all of those years but sometimes it asks for it and sometimes if doesn't. I don't get it. michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
Jenny M Benson wrote: Ron Bernier wrote Maybe they could have text with 1 high bold 3D lettering with an arrow pointing to the the scroll bar. Funnily enough, it was because of Geoff's big bright red arrow pointing to it that I spotted the scroll bar! It's always easy to find something after you realize it's there. ;-) People really just need to pay attention to the environment they are working in. Yes, of course we do. The trouble is that a lot of us people are only human and we make mistakes. I will now go away and write out one hundred times - in my best handwriting - I must be more perfect. :-) And please be quick about it. You know, this whole thing would go so much more smoothly if humans weren't involved. Kris (There's a reason I prefer dead people.) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7: Accessed date for lumped US Census Entries - for Geoff
The Wayback Machine isn't a reliable repository -- only a small fraction of what is/was available on the internet is archived there and generally graphics files aren't saved. A complete URL is useless if the information isn't there anymore. The date it was accessed doesn't mean anything, either, if the URL isn't any good. The current upheaval at Rootsweb is a good example -- about half of the links I've tried lately don't work -- between Ancestry's changes and people moving the sites to other hosts, but not updating links, it's a huge mess. Using the URL of an Ancestry image -- whether it's a census image or anything else -- is useless to someone who doesn't have a subscription. An online image, with few exceptions, came from somewhere -- a book, microfilm, etc. -- and you *can* go to the original to find it. A database, on the other hand, isn't really a source, it's a finding aid. Including the date a URL was accessed doesn't really mean anything -- other than the that the web page worked on that day. Patti Hobbs wrote: I'm not sure what your point is, Elizabeth. There is a difference. Online sources can be hard to find--especially with transcription errors by enumerators or by those creating databases. It's not always easy to find, just by searching on the person's name, the specific census image. So, imo, it is better to put a complete url for the digital image. However, the location of an online image does not correspond to a book on a library shelf or even a document in a record book in a courthouse. With the specific citation information for a book or a courthouse record, we can go in and go right to the original. The citation information doesn't change in those record types; their locations don't generally change. BUT that's not true of internet urls. They can change. So it would be comparable to a book having its dewey decimal number changed and being moved to another shelf on the library. If you have a date that a url was accessed you can use a way back machine http://web.archive.org/collections/web/advanced.html to access an archived edition of the page. Patti On Jun 16, 2008, at 11:25 PM, Elizabeth Richardson wrote: Well, if we are to take from the recommendations of the online book, then the location of the online image is just a repository, nothing more. Does the date I went to the library mean anything? Probably not. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] More With Sources
Hi, Laurel -- Well, I finally got the Evidence book in today, so I can see how things are supposed to be. I've already found quite a few things that looked like bugs to me but are apparently supposed to be that way. The citation of newspapers, especially, just isn't making sense to me, so I'll be sticking with basic -- except for the census cites. The Source Writer has been a huge help with those. The other glitches (i.e., not printing details like it's supposed to), I'm sure will be worked out eventually, so I'll use it for the census, but not much else for now. But you're right -- I don't regret upgrading to version 7 in the least. There are quite a few nice things that I'm liking very much! Kris Laurel wrote: I agree - I have also gone back to the Basic - this way my reports include everything I want them to contain. I also found with the Source Writer the choices given when entering a Source quite often were limited and I was unsure of what I should pick from the choices given. (I mean, I couldn't see how to show that my father had given me a bunch of photocopied documents of deaths, marriages and births for his parents and grandparents. I never saw the original documents, my dad did. The choices always seemed to be microfilm, online images, or original - nothing fit). Anyway, I like the mapping functions in V7, so that was worth the money. - Original Message - From: Kris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] More With Sources Hi, Laurel -- I'm beginning to suspect that the SourceWriter was the source of the great delay in releasing version 7 -- or at least a significant part of it. I'm going back to basic for now. I've decided that, considering how buggy SourceWriter seems to be, evolution is highly over rated at this time. ;-) Laurel Feal wrote: Hi Kris, if you do find out, please post back. Thanks, Laurel (Hope this goes through in plain text - I am emailing from work and think I have successfully changed my text settings on my work computer). Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:32:42 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] More With Sources Hi, Laurel -- Thanks for letting me know. I've been messing with this all night and still can't get it to work. I, too, have everything and the kitchen sink checked to print on reports, but it's not working. I'm also having the other problem that was previously reported, i.e., comments/details aren't printing in subsequent cites of a master source. I thought about just sticking with the basic system, too, but I'm really trying to evolve! LOL! I guess I need to contact support directly to find out (1) if it's a bug or (2) if it's a setting. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Email list for legacy solutions only?
Unfortunately, you continue to make many erroneous assumptions, and want the rest of us to change how we do things so that you can continue what you want to do. Thank goodness you aren't the one making the decisions. Mark K wrote: I use hotmail for the Legacy mailing list. Yes I can sort it by subject but choose to sort it by date received as I also receive other email on this email address. If I chose to use outlook I could filter the incoming email and sort accordingly. I expect that many people use hotmail or similar web based emails with limited filtering capabilities. Mark Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Report
Reports Books/Other Descendant Narrative Report Options Format Event Narrative Format Combine all events into one paragraph HTH! legacy wrote: Can you please tell me where you find Event options? I've looked everywhere and can't find the sequence you mention: Try Event Options, Format, Event Narrative Format, Combine all events into one paragraph. -- From: Bruce Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 12:40 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Report Try Event Options, Format, Event Narrative Format, Combine all events into one paragraph Does that give you what you want? On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Jeff Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am evaluating Legacy 7. Since it is the Standard Edition I don't have access to all features. I am most interested in the Descendant Narrative Report. There is an example report at the Legacy website, however it was produced using the formating option of putting events in as bulleted items. I am interested in seeing a narrative formatted with events in sentences using the defined sentence structures. Does anyone have posted online such a report that I could see? Thanks, Jeff Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] More With Sources
Hi, Laurel -- I'm beginning to suspect that the SourceWriter was the source of the great delay in releasing version 7 -- or at least a significant part of it. I'm going back to basic for now. I've decided that, considering how buggy SourceWriter seems to be, evolution is highly over rated at this time. ;-) Laurel Feal wrote: Hi Kris, if you do find out, please post back. Thanks, Laurel (Hope this goes through in plain text - I am emailing from work and think I have successfully changed my text settings on my work computer). Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:32:42 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] More With Sources Hi, Laurel -- Thanks for letting me know. I've been messing with this all night and still can't get it to work. I, too, have everything and the kitchen sink checked to print on reports, but it's not working. I'm also having the other problem that was previously reported, i.e., comments/details aren't printing in subsequent cites of a master source. I thought about just sticking with the basic system, too, but I'm really trying to evolve! LOL! I guess I need to contact support directly to find out (1) if it's a bug or (2) if it's a setting. _ Find hidden words, unscramble celebrity names, or try the ultimate crossword puzzle with Live Search Games. Play now! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/212 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] More With Sources
Hi, Laurel -- Thanks for letting me know. I've been messing with this all night and still can't get it to work. I, too, have everything and the kitchen sink checked to print on reports, but it's not working. I'm also having the other problem that was previously reported, i.e., comments/details aren't printing in subsequent cites of a master source. I thought about just sticking with the basic system, too, but I'm really trying to evolve! LOL! I guess I need to contact support directly to find out (1) if it's a bug or (2) if it's a setting. Laurel wrote: I've been trying to get this additional info. to print also and have had no luck. I have gone through customize, options, reports, etc.. and have ticked to include just about everything in my reports (I like everything to print!) and still I am missing information on my reports. I have compared sources created on the old basic source system, to the same source created on the new source writer, and I find I like the way the basic source system looks on reports better. I am thinking of sticking to the old tried and true, unless I am doing something wrong for additional info. not to print. - Original Message - From: Kris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 1:43 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] More With Sources I'm having trouble getting Source Writer entered cites to print according to my preferences on the reports. For instance, for the family group sheet, under sources, if I have the boxes checked to print the repository, recorded date, and file ID, these things print for the non-Source Writer cites, but anything created with Source Writer doesn't print this additional information. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Email list for legacy solutions only?
Mark K wrote: What a lot of ill informed nonsense. Was that a warning of what was to come? How on earth is it easier to sort through every damn email than to simply look at a forum and then choose the topics you are interested in ONLY. It isn't any more difficult to browse through a list of email subjects than it is to browse through a list of web forum subjects. You don't get every single useless, repeated and unwanted email clogging up everything. Clogging up everything? Good heavens. This list is pretty active lately, yes, but it's hardly unmanageable. You either get a list of the subjects and topics in your email client, or you get a list of subjects and topics in your web browser -- nothing about either format limits your ability to pick and choose what you will or will not read. Message boards are in no way slower to email and usually faster, all the ones I use are instantaneous. The ones that you use are instantaneous and that sets the standard for the rest of us? Your point of sorting a mailing list is uneducated - a forum is basically a sorted email list except you don't have to receive or look at every email, you only look at what you are interested in. In your effort to talk down to Cathy, you do yourself a disservice. You don't have to read every email that you receive, either -- just look at the ones you are interested in. It sounds like you've crossed your arms, stomped your feet and decided that the world must work the way you want it to. Oops! If you were on dial up now I doubt you would be wanting to receive a 100 plus emails daily on a slow list let alone the thousand you would receive on most. Oops! Wrong again! I *am* on dial-up (and metered dial-up, as a matter of fact) and can download all of the messages for all of the mailing lists I belong to (and there are hundreds of them) in about five minutes, and read through them at my leisure. This is much nicer *for me* than spending an hour on line waiting for pages to load. Did you ever wonder why mailing listed have almost died everywhere and forums took over - faster, easier, better searching, better history and you only look at what you want. I hadn't noticed that mailing lists have almost died -- as a matter of fact the one you're complaining about seems to be alive and well! It's interesting that you point out that web forums offer better history and searching. That might be the case (trying to search the archives of the Legacy mailing list takes dedication, that's for sure), but I hadn't noticed that it makes any difference *in the ones I read.* The same questions are still asked over and over and over. As a matter of fact, one particular web forum that I read regularly has the tab for search in RED and people *still* can't seem to find it. I guess they're just clogging everything up over there! As has been mentioned before, Rootsweb does have a forum for Legacy. There's nothing much going on there, but that sounds like what you're looking for anyway -- a place where you won't be bothered with other people's opinions or questions? And, finally, the fact that you're reading things you don't want to read simply because they arrive in your email is *your* failing, not that of the mailing list. Do you read all the spam messages you get, too? Mark Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 13:23:53 +0800 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Email list for legacy solutions only? If there ever is a forum for Legacy, hopefully it will be set up like the Rootsweb ones and gatewayed to a mailing list so you never have to go to it. However, in my experience of Rootsweb, messages gatewayed from the Boards are generally from beginners and almost impossible to respond to except to ask for clarification of their problem or request. Message Boards are so much more time consuming. Perhaps my perspective was set when I was on dial up. Message Boards are so slow to use compared to email. However, I still am usually frustrated by trying to find stuff on Message Boards to the point I give up. With a mailing list you can sort very quickly in so many different ways - certainly necessary at the moment with the mail delays. Cheers, Cathy At 04:39 AM 9/06/2008, you wrote: YES! This is exactly what we don't need!. Please please can we have this NOT? There are many of us who loathe using an on line support forum. I prefer to read messages via email rather that waste my time logging on to a forum to see if there are any message that I have absolutely no interest in. -- Regards, Ron Bernier On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Judith H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YES! This is exactly what we need! Please please can we have this? Geoff? ---Original Message--- From: Brian
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7 --- PLEASE!
The phrase herding cats comes to mind. . . Gary Crull wrote: So far I've found the following in the subject line Legacy 7; v7; V7; v.7; Version 7. If listers would PLEASE use only Legacy 7 in the subject line I'm sure it would simplify life for all of us trying to filter our Legacy posts into manageable folders. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] More With Sources
I'm having trouble getting Source Writer entered cites to print according to my preferences on the reports. For instance, for the family group sheet, under sources, if I have the boxes checked to print the repository, recorded date, and file ID, these things print for the non-Source Writer cites, but anything created with Source Writer doesn't print this additional information. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer
Hi, Geoff -- Thanks for the explanation. I guess it's my turn to whine -- the new cites just make no sense to me. I've seen some examples here of cites that go on and on and on -- but don't really say much. The second example of the death certificate cite is a small example of that. It says the same thing twice, and doesn't read logically to me. I guess that's why she gets the big bucks and the kewl letters after her name. ;-) Geoff Rasmussen wrote: There were some fundamental changes between the two versions. In the 1997 version, many citations began with the subject (name of the person), such as your example. Census records also come to mind. The templates in the SourceWriter were based on Evidence Explained. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kris Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 12:16 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Writer It's my understanding that Source Writer is designed to format source citations according to Evidence Explained -- which I don't have. I have Evidence! from 1997. I didn't think there would be much difference, but so far there is. Since no one's complained til now, I figure I must have done something wrong. Example of a death certificate cite from the 1997 book: Floyd Finley Shown, death certificate no. 59-0224 (1959), Tennessee Department of Public Health, Nashville. Cite with Source Writer: Tennessee Department of Public Health, death certificate 59-0224 (1959), Floyd Finley Shown; Tennessee Department of Public Health, Nashville. I haven't found a source yet that's cited the way I would expect. Is the 1997 book just plain obsolete? Am I missing something obvious? I know I can keep doing things the way I was BS (before Seven), but I was really looking forward to using the Source Writer. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Source Writer
It's my understanding that Source Writer is designed to format source citations according to Evidence Explained -- which I don't have. I have Evidence! from 1997. I didn't think there would be much difference, but so far there is. Since no one's complained til now, I figure I must have done something wrong. Example of a death certificate cite from the 1997 book: Floyd Finley Shown, death certificate no. 59-0224 (1959), Tennessee Department of Public Health, Nashville. Cite with Source Writer: Tennessee Department of Public Health, death certificate 59-0224 (1959), Floyd Finley Shown; Tennessee Department of Public Health, Nashville. I haven't found a source yet that's cited the way I would expect. Is the 1997 book just plain obsolete? Am I missing something obvious? I know I can keep doing things the way I was BS (before Seven), but I was really looking forward to using the Source Writer. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer
Thanks for the response, Kirsten, though it's definitely not the one I wanted. I was really looking forward to the Source Writer. If the goal post is going to be moved every ten years or so, I'll just live in the past. Kirsten Bowman wrote: Kris: I can't detail the reasons for the differences you mention, but only to say this: I have both _Evidence!_ and _Evidence Explained_. In comparing the two at the outset, I found so many differences that I finally put away the earlier version and just go by the later one. I would expect that what you're seeing just follows the later version rather than being anything that you're doing wrong. Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kris Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 12:16 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Writer It's my understanding that Source Writer is designed to format source citations according to Evidence Explained -- which I don't have. I have Evidence! from 1997. I didn't think there would be much difference, but so far there is. Since no one's complained til now, I figure I must have done something wrong. Example of a death certificate cite from the 1997 book: Floyd Finley Shown, death certificate no. 59-0224 (1959), Tennessee Department of Public Health, Nashville. Cite with Source Writer: Tennessee Department of Public Health, death certificate 59-0224 (1959), Floyd Finley Shown; Tennessee Department of Public Health, Nashville. I haven't found a source yet that's cited the way I would expect. Is the 1997 book just plain obsolete? Am I missing something obvious? I know I can keep doing things the way I was BS (before Seven), but I was really looking forward to using the Source Writer. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Legacy Charting Pre-release - SUCCESS!
I'm going to a Family Reunion in less than 2 weeks and decided to try printing a descendants chart using the pre-release version of Legacy Charting. I have to report that the resulting printout was FABULOUS!! I had 5 generations, printed in color, with 272 names, pictures, range of lifetime (e.g., 1856-1904 or 1950-). I didn't want to clutter the boxes with too much information, just wanted a great visual for all to see and find themselves and relationship to others. I was able to grab and pull the chart margin (top/bottom) from 11 to 22 (the size of the color copier it would be printing on), and I was able to move the various generations up and down en masse to better fill the page, and also reposition some individuals to spread out some crowded areas. The chart was 8' long. After fiddling with it for a pleasant visual format, including changing the borders on the boxes and using a generational color scheme, I saved the file using the save as feature. The next day I added a few more pictures to my database and pulled up the existing chart. The new pictures were there, but I don't recall if I had to do a refresh or update to my existing file (sorry, just don't remember). I saved the chart again, and then used the publish button to save it as a pdf. I took the file on a USB flash drive to Staples (stationery/office supplies store) copy center and they printed it on photo quality paper. It turned out just the way I wanted it!! (and just the way it looked on my computer screen). It took about 3 hours to print, but the resulting chart is absolutely gorgeous!! I haven't heard anything about Legacy Charting [pre-release] for a while now and wanted to remind folks of this option. With all the griping and complaining lately, I also wanted to post a POSITIVE message and to say THANK YOU to Millennia Corp for such a great product!!! I'm just thrilled at the result. I know the chart will be the centerpiece of the reunion and I can't wait to show it off. Kris in Texas Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Help with Locations
Mike Fry wrote: Kris wrote: Okay -- now I'm feeling really stupid. I found a way to have County automatically added -- was just digging around one day -- and now I can't find it again! I've looked through Help and the options for both the Master Locations list and the Geo Location Database, and I can't find it. But I know I didn't imagine it, because it's working. Hopefully, someone else will know where this is. As far as removing USA, as far as I can tell you just have to do that periodically. I haven't found a way to make that change permanent. Just about all of this is possible through judicious editing of the 4 Geo database parameter files that you should find in the actual Legacy home folder. The files are:- GeoCountryCodes.txt GeoCountyCodes.txt GeoExtraCodes.txt GeoStateCodes.txt Each of these files are plain-text in format and so can be viewed and edited with any ASCII file editor such as notepad.exe. Warning: if you're going to try and customise the files - take a copy of them first before you make any changes. Each of the files has a fairly self-explanatory preamble at the beginning of the file, that explains what the file is all about and how the data can be edited to achieve certain effects within the GeoDB art of Legacy. Be careful! Some of the language used in the files is unlikely to be intelligible to anyone who has not worked with computers for many years! Yup -- that's it! Thanks Mike! (I feel better now -- thanks for that, too! g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Help with Locations
Larry Wilson wrote: I would like my locations not to have , USA and add County to County name. I would like this change to be permanent on all locations. Examples: Before: Buffalo, Dallas, Missouri, USA After: Buffalo, Dallas County, Missouri Thank you in-advance, Larry Okay -- now I'm feeling really stupid. I found a way to have County automatically added -- was just digging around one day -- and now I can't find it again! I've looked through Help and the options for both the Master Locations list and the Geo Location Database, and I can't find it. But I know I didn't imagine it, because it's working. Hopefully, someone else will know where this is. As far as removing USA, as far as I can tell you just have to do that periodically. I haven't found a way to make that change permanent. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Maintain Perspective
Hi, Donald -- Thanks for posting this. I sometimes get the impression that people think they're bashing some distant, nameless, faceless corporate suit. Maybe your insight will help. I also thought I'd throw in that a couple of years ago, someone in CS (I don't know if it was Brian, but I think he's the one that told me, so he gets the credit ;-) ) did a BIG favor for me -- something really thoughtful and totally unexpected -- over a holiday weekend, no less. I won't go into details for fear of starting another well-they-don't-do-that-kind-of-stuff-for-me thing, but suffice to say that it totally made my weekend and I still remember it. It was just so -- so -- kewl! Sherry, too, has always done her best to help with problems. Even though all of them haven't been solved, it sure isn't because she didn't try! That's the kind of personal service you can't get from a big company where the knowledge and authority of CS is limited to what's printed in some manual, no matter how out-of-date or ridiculous the information in it might be. Perhaps there have been some bumps in the road recently because Legacy *is* a small company, but I *much* prefer it that way. Kris (No potential Legacy 7 downloaders were harmed in the making of this post. No warranty, express or implied, shall apply to this message, including any warranty of fitness for any purpose. Your mileage may vary.) Donald E. Paden wrote: Group, I am normally a lurker, have been since Legacy v2. I think it is time to put things into perspective for all the new users and some old time users of Legacy. Millennia Corporation produces the software product that we use Legacy Family Tree. However, Millennia Corporation is NOT the huge corporation with unlimited resources that many of you think it is. Millennia Corporation has maybe less than 12 individuals (I am open to correction). Two very talented and dedicated genealogy enthusiasts (who just happen to be excellent computer programmers) got together to develop Legacy Family Tree; Ken McGinnis and Dave Berdan. These two are the Corporate Officers and IT Department. That is it. Period. In addition to Ken and Dave there is: Jim Terry (Technical Support) Geoff Rasmussen (Training) Sherry (Customer Support) [who used to be just a LUG individual] Brian (Customer Support) [who used to be just a LUG individual] Luc Comeau (Legacy Charting Support) [developer of GENviewer] and maybe 2 individuals who answer phones for the Sales Department Also keep in mind most of these individuals work out of their own home. It is for some of these reasons that Legacy Family Tree is so affordable. Please keep these points in mind the next time you want to complain about how Slow, Unresponsive, and Unprofessional Millennia Corporation is. Be VERY thankful for the excellent product they produce and we use. Donald E. Paden Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
Hi, Penny -- You obviously have a lot more experience with it than I do. I tried TMG (and a bunch of others, like PAF, Roots Magic and GenBox) before I committed to Legacy. It was a no-brainer for me. Legacy was user-friendly enough that I could start using it right away, without any tips, training videos, manuals, etc. The tips on the site (and from this list) are certainly valuable and very helpful, but you can use it right out of the box, so to speak, without a steep learning curve. I tried TMG because it was so highly recommended. But I want to spend my time researching, not trying to figure out how to use the program. It didn't take the 30-day trial to realize it wasn't going to work for me. I think I messed with it for about 24 hours. Penny wrote: This was my experience with TMG, as well. I even got the TMG training videos in hopes they would help sort out why this thing was harder-to-use than any genealogy program should be. And ... Oh my gosh. Those stupid films they made us watch (to keep us busy) in 6th grade were not as yawn-inducing as the TMG training videos are. I've hung onto them to use as sure-fire insomnia relief. (Thank you, Millenia for, not only making a user-friendly program, but for making training interesting, easy to watch, and enjoyable!) I also do not look at genealogy as event-oriented with people attached to said events; this is the TMG approach to genealogy db creation. Legacy is much more intuitive and user-friendly; furthermore, it looks at gen. db creation as people first, with events that happened to those people second. Legacy is much more my style and continues to fulfill all my needs and then some; I was quite relieved to have found it after my bummer-experience with TMG. As I see it, Legacy and TMG use two different approaches and, therefore, fill two different niches in the gen-db world. Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Downloadlink for Version 7
I would expect a valid announcement to come from someone at Legacy. JLB wrote: Sounds like 'Cindy' did us a big favor there. -- JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html gmoyers wrote: I wish I would not have figured out the password since all the links in the program to purchase the deluxe in order to see all the new stuff only takes you to the purchase version 6 sites. Now I must uninstall 7, reinstall 6 , and get my database back up since loading it in 7 converted it. The only smart thing I did here was to make a backup before installing 7. Maybe by the time I get back on track the new version will be purchasable. :-) GFM JLB wrote: Apparently this requires a password, too. Any clues? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Legacy 7 Release
Hi, Carol, I've been going back and forth the past few days about whether or not this list is really worth it. There has been a lot of bandwidth wasted with whining and complaining and it's only going to get worse, I think. Especially if every Legacy 7 question gets two good answers out of ten. Wondering today if this group has more kids or grown-ups in it, I came to the conclusion that the adults probably do outnumber the juveniles. They just don't have as much to say, unless it's relevant. Which this post isn't. So now I have to go sit at the kid's table for a week, I think. 8^) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this moaning and groaning prior to the full release of Legacy 7 is totally amazing. I can't imagine what my incoming e-mail will look like when everyone has received and installed the new version and begin to wish that the programmers had ironed out more of the inevitable bugs before releasing the new software. I joined this group to learn more about Legacy software... to understand the ins-and-outs of the program. It's beginning to sound like an Ann Landers I'm a victim column. Is it possible that the Members of this group can sit back and take a deep breath? Instead of griping about something that cannot/should not be changed, spend your time expanding and correcting your existing database. I've moderated umpteen online groups and this one is amazing. Carol Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Re: How do you do it?
Hi, Randolph, I've tried to do it this way several different times and over all I like the results. The problem comes in when I try to create a web page. Most of my cemeteries don't have a town associated with them, so if you enter: (Old Hill Cemetery) Washington County, Minnesota you get an error (no such county exists). I just click ok and go on, but in the web page, in the name list, the location appears thus: (Old Hill Cemetery) Washington County, Minnesota I'm assuming if I turn off county verification, this won't happen anymore, but I like the fact that it does that. (Although, as an aside, I do have to laugh when I get an error when using the information from the Geo database! If it's wrong, why is it in there? LOL!) I'm also assuming if I put a coma between the (cemetery name) and the county, I won't have this problem, but I don't want a coma there. If you have this problem, have you resolved it? Allison's method sounds good, too, since most of the time I don't have a burial date anyway, but I'm wondering if it will cause some other problem down the road that I can't foresee right now. Thanks Randolph Clark wrote: It's not necessary if you place the cemetery name in parentheses before the (burial) town name. On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Allison Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do a workaround (sort of). I want the Cemetery Name and the Town or City it is in, to show on my Individuals Information window, directly below the Death date. If you right click your mouse button on the Individual's Information screen, right on the word Died, it will open a window called Customize Family View Information. You can then choose, by using the drop down field buttons at the end of the field, what fields you want to show in the Individuals Information window and the order they appear in.. I chose Burial Date/Place, for the 4th field, and 1st Alternate Name for the fifth field. Here is where I differ in opinion from Legacy staff. They have by default called this field Burial Date / Place and you cannot rename it or supposedly use it for anything else. I believe that the actual burial date is rather immaterial, since the actual burial / inurnment normally takes place within 3 or 4 days after the death date. No one really cares what day the burial took place. It is the death date that is really important statistically. I believe the cemetery name is infinitely more important and there should be a field on the Individual's Information for the cemetery name. My workaround? I simply type the cemetery name into the Burial Date field, and the place into the Burial Place field. When Legacy tells me I made a mistake (Unrecognized Date) I simply ignore the error message and hit OK, and it neatly inserts the cemetery name below the death date. I contacted Legacy about this and Sherry recommended using the + Add notes, pictures, address button, or adding burial information in the persons Events window. Thats fine for secondary information about the death, such as Lot numbers within the cemetery, information about the tombstone, GPS location, etc., BUT it does not give me the cemetery name where I need it and thats with the person's main set of information fields. Unfortunately the info from the =Add fields, does not show up in most of the reports (without a lot of mucking about building the report). By doing it the way I do, I have the Cemetery Name and Town information, in all my default reports simply by selecting Birth, Bap, Death, Burial (all four) in the main report menu. I have worked with it this way for probably 5 years or more and it works great! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] [Legacy UG] Type in an obit or link to a scanned image of the original?
Jennie Goodwin wrote: A question for the group: Is it better to type in an obituary, link to a scanned copy of the original, or maybe both? Question prompted by a little thought after Geoff's Legacy Tip item on April 7 about Working With Obituaries. Thanks in advance! Jennie Goodwin Hi, Jennie -- I generally do both, but I was wondering about this the other day -- i.e., how many people transcribe *everything.* I try to, but sometimes. . . It will be interesting to see what others do. Kris Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Not fair Millennia!
I'll hazard a guess that the work would go a bit more quickly (and it *is* a lot of work!) if these constant explanations weren't necessary. Seriously, is *this* the most important thing going on in your lives right now?! I have a vivid image of a line of people camped out around the Millennia building waiting for the doors to open, a la Cabbage Patch Kids. But with laptops and other modern improvements, I doubt the rest of us would be sparred the never ending complaints. So please, guys, get this thing out so we can find something else to complain about. All it takes is for Millennia to put the program on an ftp server and add a single download link on their website. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
