Re: [LegacyUG] Alternate Names
I like this idea, too, Ron. But, could somebody please explain to me the difference between nick-names and familiar names. I always thought they were the same thing, but the way the help files read, they are not. Just curious, Penny ronald ferguson wrote: Ila, For alternative first names, or nicknames, I include them in the Given Name Field in quotes. These can then be used by Legacy in reports eg. Poly resided in . but excluded from the name field in the same reports. Search for quoted names in The Help file search box for further details. Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Find-A-Grave ID #
Syble, could you clarify for me where, exactly, you explain why you think the tombstone is in error? I have a situation like that where I am quite certain that my grandfather's year of death is wrong on his stone and I'd like to explain how I know it. Thanks, Penny Syble Glasscock wrote: I, too am a fan of findagrave, have surveyed two cemeteries, and have added numerous other records, and am the county keeper for our county. I recently started adding in Legacy an Event to the individual: Burial Records-findagrave, I only source it as www.findagrave.com http://www.findagrave.com/, but then in the notes section of the of the person's Event, I add the findagrave URL for that particular person. I've found several dates differing from the State Death Indexes, Social Security and or Death Certificates, but with having a record of the tombstone from findagrave, researchers can note the discrepancies. I really like having a photo of the tombstone, so this helps to fill in the gaps for that also. I know that the dates on tombstones are not always correct either, but I still like having that record, and on one particular individual, (my great grandmother) I'm made explanations showing why I believe the date of birth is incorrect. Syble Glasscock Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations and County names before formation
Interesting thread. I am curious about a detail trying to list the name of a place within a timeframe, though. (Without starting a discussion on whether states who seceded from the U.S. were or were not still a part of the U.S.A, please!!) Would you simply put C.S.A. after South Carolina when an even happened in 1863? Or would you spell out Confederate States of America ? (assuming that some readers of your data might not automatically understand what the initials mean) Just came home from the NEAGS swap meet in Gadsden, Alabama. Heard a lot of compliments on Legacy while I was there! Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Tracking physical characteristic
If one wanted to keep track of which members of a family had a particular physical characteristic, how would you do that? Is it possible to customize a line of data (along with birth, death, etc) on family view for this? Suggestions? Thanks! Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Tracking physical characteristic
Thanks to all for your prompt and very useful advice on my question! That'll work. Regards, Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Followup to Discussion about Periods after Initials.
I have a cousin whose birth certificate reads R. L. Corley - with full stop after each of the letters. His father was also R. L. Corley. His grandfather was Robert Lee Corley. My cousin's signature was quite illegible, so I don't know if he put the periods after the letters, even if that is a factor. His U.S. Army service records read R. L. (io) Corley. My question to the group is: Given that his birth certificate, military records, and death certificate have full stops after the letters, should I not go ahead record his name the same way in my own database? If so, how to make it clear immediately to those who did not know him that these letters are his name and not just initials? It doesn't help that he assumed the nickname Bob in middle life - although I never knew anyone in the family who called him that. Only business associates and friends did so. If I include Bob Corley as an aka, it's even more likely someone might erroneously assume the R. stands for Robert. So, while I agree that consistently omitting full stops on letters that are actually names rather than initials is a good idea - in this case it wouldn't be entirely accurate, imo. How would you handle this case? Penny - Original Message - From: Jenny M Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gary Brown wrote As in the case of: Harry S Truman. His whole middle name was S , not an abbreviation. Should his family simply add a period arbitrarily, as needed, so as to not upset the software? I think that is an excellent example of why one should, in *most* instances, put a full stop after a single letter. Those most cases being when the single letter is, in fact, an abbreviation. Then when the single letter is *not* an abbreviation, as in the case of Harry S Truman and those German folk someone mentioned, the full stop is omitted and Legacy is told to ignore this error. Provided one is consistent, it is then quite obvious which single letters are initials (perhaps full name is still unknown) and which are complete in themselves. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] This is a silly question?
Tish, since the obnoxiously anal LUG police seem to be out in force today, I'd cordially suggest you come join over here to ask your question: http://genealogyclub.net/forum/ It's a little friendlier atmosphere. Regards, Penny - Original Message - From: Tish To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 1:38 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] This is a silly question? I am sure it is, but I do not know the answer. How does one upgrade to Outlook 7? I can't find the answer - so I am hoping one of you kind people can point me in the right direction. Tish Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1528 - Release Date: 7/1/2008 7:26 AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Books with more than 2 authors
Stan, I'm using the 2-author book template. After the last name of the second author, I add , et al in place of all additional authors' actual names. Penny - Original Message - From: Stan Megraw To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 8:48 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Books with more than 2 authors Source Writer in Legacy 7 allows books to be cited with one or two authors/editors. How do you handle books with more than 2 authors? Stan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1526 - Release Date: 6/30/2008 8:43 AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Calculator
Ah ... but the other thing is ... If one is more what might be called a family historian type as opposed to what might be called a strict genealogist type, there's no merely about said relationship; rather, it is a relationship in all respects. Personally, I'd like my gen program to reflect that so-called family historian perspective when I ask it to do so. :) - Original Message - From: Wynthner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ah.. but here's the thing *Any* in-law relationship is no genealogical relationship at all-merely a social one or a legal one (if that). ;) - Original Message From: Chick Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, then Legacy should return the relationship as nephew-in-law. but it returns no relationship which is wrong. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter options
I'm glad you said that, John. I'm one who is apt to get a little hung up on literal titles. :) It's good to encourage folks like me to experiment and to not dither about too much over which template was intended to be used - so long as the template I do use works well. Thanks for the reminder nudge! Penny - Original Message - From: John S. Adams To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 3:42 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter options I see a lot of questions to this group which indicate to me that many users are hung up on the literal titles of the various source templates. After experimenting with SourceWriter for a while, it seems to me that it is quite flexible and that many templates can be adapted for sources other than those specified in their titles. Some examples: 1. Some time ago someone noted that while there is a template for Birth Records index, there is none for Death Records index. I used the Birth Records index template and just titled it California Death Index. The printed citation reads just fine and doesn't reference birth anywhere. 2. A request was made for a way to make a Master Source for an on-going correspondence and to cite an individual letter or e-mail in the Detail. Since this is the way I like to source, (e.g. Master: Smith Correspondence; Detail: e-mail to J. S. Adams dated 29 Jun 2008) I tried various approaches and found that by judicious use of the available fields I could produce acceptable citations (although perhaps not in strict accordance with Mills' examples) using either the single e-mail template or the Artifact template. I think the Letters template could also work. 3. A recent discussion concerned how to cite government employment records. There a several templates which could probably be adapted. I tried the School Records template and that seemed as though it would work. Other templates that might work are Insurance Company Records, Military RecordsPension Files, or Railroad Records. 4. Government Land Office Records. See my posting today re: Cash Entry Files. I think the Artifact template could be adapted for any collection of documents, letters, photos, etc. My point is that SourceWriter is flexible. If you experiment, you can probably find a template that will work for that unique or unusual source you want to cite. The title of the template usually doesn't show up in the printed citation. I'd like to hear others' opinions on this. John S. Adams Hermosa Beach, CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1524 - Release Date: 6/28/2008 7:42 PM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] digest
No. - Original Message - From: ym To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:13 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] digest Is there a digest version of this list? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1525 - Release Date: 6/29/2008 3:09 PM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Uploading to the Internet
Who's hosting your website, Rich? Do you own a domain name rent space from a reseller or directly from a hosting company (e.g. 1and1.com, surpasshosting.com, etc)? Or are you planning on using space from your ISP? It depends on who provides the space as to what alternatives are available to you for upload. Many (of either type above) have direct upload capability from within the admin area of your rental space. Most will also accept uploads from an ftp client program or through links in a program such as Dreamweaver. Some may have limitations of size and/or file extensions. Like I said - it depends - check with your space provider for details of both upload capabilities and limitations. Regards, Penny - Original Message - From: Rich Heckman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Uploading to the Internet Dear LUGgies, I would like to upload my family's genealogy to my personal website. Using Legacy, I've created my web pages to appear the way I want but only in my web browser; however, I can't figure out how to take the next step: How do I upload my genealogy that Legacy created in my web browser, to my website? Is there something on Legacy's HELP web pages that I've missed? Can someone help please tell me how upload to my website. In advance, thanks for all your great help and suggestions! Rich Heckman Nazareth, PA For the Clewell Family Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.2/1523 - Release Date: 6/28/2008 7:00 AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions
I think you are correct, Mary. The place field = location list and if you want to distinguish between specific places in a city (or county, for that matter, when you don't have a city involved) by putting a pin in each of them, then you have to have a way to distinguish between them in the location list. There are probably better ways to accomplish this, but I've been putting locations in like Seagraves - Cemetery, Gaines County, Texas and Seagraves - Walter Perry homestead, Gaines County, Texas. It requires a little work to manipulate the pins to the exact places I want them to be, but so far, it's been worth it to me to do it. It's actually sort of fun to be able tweak the map pins. I've also found some things I didn't know existed until I had to fool around with researching things that VE couldn't automatically find. I had no idea there was a Calfee Road in Montgomery County where my Calfee kin lived died until I had to search out where the cemetery pin needed to go. (I'll be darned! How about that?! grin) Penny - Original Message - From: Mary Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Very Basic Questions On 6/28/08, Heather Stovold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Put the street address in the description of the residence event, and the city/town, county, etc in the Place field. If you do that, it's my understanding you can only map to the town itself, not the exact street address(es). Or am I wrong?? Mary Young Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.2/1523 - Release Date: 6/28/2008 7:00 AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Locations
I guess I'm just plain old fashioned. LOL When Legacy informs me I've erred on original location county names, I refer to my old stand-bys: The Red Book or Everton's Handy Guide for Genealogists. Both have U.S. county formation dates and parent-counties. I thought everybody had at least one copy of one of these on their bookshelves, but I guess the computer-age has changed that. Go figure! ;) Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Mills inconsistency
That would be a good question to ask ESM, Michele. I, too, noticed this inconsistency and wondered about the reasoning behind it. Maybe Geoff knows why it's this way? Penny - Original Message - From: Michele Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok, now I am confused. Mills is supposed to make sourcing more consistent but it isn't! Yesterday I put in census records for 1850-1930 (all the years that have names and not just numbers). For each year the source writer asks for different information. In some years it asks for the person of interest and some years not. In some years it askes for the dwelling and family number and in some years only the dwelling number. All of this info is available for all of those years but sometimes it asks for it and sometimes if doesn't. I don't get it. michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Oh boy! ref: scrolling
Oh, good grief - me, too, Michele. Maybe that scroll bar should be in irridescent green (or something) for people like me whose brains don't register what's right in front of their eyes! LOL Thanks for pointing my nose at it. Now, to go back and re-do those citations. Gotta love this list! Penny - Original Message - From: Michele Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok, I see it now (person of interest, etc.). That scrolling thing is very easy to overlook. I have to go back and redo two days worth of census records. michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Mills inconsistency
Ooooh, Thank You, Dave!!! You're a life saver! - Original Message - From: Geoff Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Person of Interest IS included in all the source templates. You may just have to scroll down to view it. By the way, Dave B. has now added something to allow us to know if there are more fields, so this shouldn't be easy to overlook in the future. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Penny Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 8:47 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mills inconsistency Robert, What Michele and I were questioning has to do with some specific detail questions on Legacy's Source Writer. Our specific question addresses things that are found on every census (Person of interest, dwelling family numbers.), rather than other extraneous information that varied from census to census. Neither the 1930 nor the 1880 templates, for example, allows you to input the person of interest, while 1870 and others do allow you to input this information. (There may be others, I just remembered those two off the top of my head.) There are similar inconsistencies concerning inclusion of the family number. We wondered why this is so. Penny - Original Message - From: Robert Carneal USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michele- It depends on what else was asked that year but not asked in other years. Sometimes that is viewed as more useful or more important. Note that in 1870 they asked if Father was foreign born, Mother was foreign born, and if you were eligible to vote. Some years they asked about the number of slaves the property owned had. Obviously the question no longer applies today. In 1900, they asked about Citizenship, how long a person had been in this country (useful in researching immigration papers), In 1910, they asked about about the Mother of how many children? And then they asked how many of those children were living? The answer could be the mother had eight children, and six were living for example during that census year. That information is useful in informing the researcher that by 1910, Kathy had eight children. So the researcher begins to look for eight kids. He knows that by 1910, two were no longer living. That is a clue. Mills wrote her book in hopes that the reader would use her examples for consistencies, yes, but she had to change her examples based on what the census (whatever year) offered. If you decide to follow her examples, your sources will be consistent, even though it appears to differ from census year to census year, they will be the same for same census to same census. That was one of the primary goals for Ms. Mills. Legacy has a blank sample of sources for the every year, I believe. It is under Books and Other, select the Forms Center button, and then go to US Federal. You can compare and contrast them, perhaps seeing the differences on blank sheets will help. Robert Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1511 - Release Date: 6/20/2008 11:52 AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Source conversion
Just in case there's some other poor stupid soul out there who's as slow on the uptake as I am: When Geoff says copy/paste in Step 2, he means you to use Control-C to copy. blush/grin I spent several minutes trying various combinations of RC and Alt-RC etc. before the obvious drifted into my dim brain. (I'm comforting myself with the thought that old mousey habits do struggle to prevail.) I have expanded on Geoff's method a bit; but only in that I want to be sure I converted the citations on everybody using a given source. So, I'm tagging the ones who are using this source before I start, removing the tag from each individual as I go. That way the odd Gilbert-relative who is using the same source as their distant Dunaway family kin don't get left out. I just have to be sure to change the detail on the clipboard when I switch households. I do love that darned clipboard. Handy as a pocket on a shirt! Penny - Original Message - From: Geoff Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:38 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Source conversion As we know, the Source Conversion tool is not yet done. I don't know when it will be. And I've learned that I'm not going to make any statements with the word soon in it. :) I just simply don't know. So...if we do have sources that we want to convert to the SourceWriter format, we have to manually do this for now. I'll present the flow of how I've been doing mine, which is not to say that it is the correct method for everyone. Keep in mind that I, too, am new to this and am open to others' ideas/feedback. First of all, I personally am NOT going back through ALL of my sources to convert them to the SourceWriter format. With tens of thousands of citations, I would never get back to research if I solely concentrated on this. Rather, when I'm adding new sources, I always use the SourceWriter. And when I'm currently researching a family that has Basic Style citations, I work to convert those citations. A citation consists of both the master source and the source detail. Here is my process for now 1) Open the Assigned Sources list for an individual by clicking on the Sources icon. Here I can see which existing citations are Basic Style and which are SourceWriter style. The SourceWriter style citations have a small black bullet at the beginning in the Source List Name column. 2) When I locate a Basic Style source in this list, I click on it so it is highlighted. Then I copy/paste the entire Footnote/Endnote Citation from the Output tab into a Word Processor. I do the same for all of the text on the Text/Comments tab. I also make note of the Repository and any Pictures. With this text pasted into my Word Processor, I have everything I need to create the new SourceWriter source. 3) Using the Source Clipboard, I create the SourceWriter version of this source, entering all of the pieces into the correct fields, and pasting the text/comments/etc. from my word processor. If you're not comfortable with the Source Clipboard, I strongly suggest that you become comfortable with it. It will change your lifeThe Preview video of the Sources training CD at http://www.legacyfamilytree.net/videos/previews/sources/sources_preview.html teaches how to use the Source Clipboard. 4) Once the Source Clipboard is set up, using the clipboard's single blue bar button, I locate and click on each Basic Style source in the Assigned Sources list, and paste the source from the clipboard into the appropriate event. 5) Each event will now have both the Basic Style source and the SourceWriter style source. Simply click on the Basic Style source, and click on the Remove button. Do this until each Basic Style source is gone, and is replaced with the SourceWriter version. Repeat steps 4 and 5 for each person who shares the IDENTICAL Basic Style source (master source and citation). Maybe there's a better way? I haven't yet experimented with the Combine button in the Master Source List, but from what a couple of you have reported, this method doesn't yet do the job. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1507 - Release Date: 6/18/2008 7:09 AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http
[LegacyUG] Options was ..Descendant book printing problem (information written over picture)
Not everything as to be an either/or choice, Mike. One can certainly choose to be involved in both. Authenticity? There are several people out of the numerous LUGgers who post regularly whose opinions advice I have come to trust. They aren't all working as Official Legacy Support. :) Besides, it will be really nice to have this optional group when one wishes to ask about discuss things-genealogical that are considered OT here on the LUG. (As Allen pointed out, his new forum isn't limited to just Legacy.) Allen's Genealogy Club has excellent potential to augment the LUG in ways some dedicated LUGgers should appreciate. It certainly doesn't mean we'd be required to leave here to take advantage of what is essentially an additional resource. Regards, Penny - Original Message - From: Mike Fry [EMAIL PROTECTED] I doubt that Support will become involved. So how will you be able to guarantee authenticity when it comes to suppositions about how the software should or should not work? All I can see this being any use for is a private area for letting off steam. It will go the way of the original Rootsweb Legacy forum i.e. wither away through lack of any real support. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Combining Sources in v7 - problem with print out
Have tried making a new source in the master source list for 1850 Izard County, Arkanasas Federal Census via Source Writer and then combining my old 1850 Izard source that was written via the basic source entry system. After that, I went into the clipboard put the details in. Went to each of the seven individuals and fixed the details by the clipboard (because they evidently did not carry over in the combination process). Everything looked fine at that point. Looking at each person's sources (there's only 7 people using this cite) and checking on what the subsequent citations should look like, all seems well and shows this the way it was entered in Source Writer. However! On reports, the subsequent citation is picking up nonsense out of the old basic source version that was supposedly changed when I combined it with the new Source Writer source. Either I've confused myself and can't see where I went wrong (highly likely) or it's a bug of some sort. (not as likely, but certainly possible.) Help??? Thanks in advance, Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknowns
JLB [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Is there a choice in the box that pops up when entering a new name? I'm guessing not, or you would have seen it. Penny replies: No, I didn't see it. blush/grin As anticipated, I overlooked the obvious. (Thanks to you and Cathy for making me look again.) JLB said: I know I can turn IT off but it's more a philosophical question. What's wrong with Unknown? Why is Un-named/Son/Daughter and all the other descriptive words OK with Legacy, but not Unknown? Personal bias of programmer creeping in here perhaps. I thought maybe there's some other reason that's passed me by over the years and one of the old-timers would jump in. Penny replies: Well, IR1 (old-timer that is - in years and genealogy miles, if not to Legacy) and I have to agree with ya that I have no clue what, if anything, is actually considered wrong with using Unknown if one chooses to do so. I tend to think genealogists in today's world who mistake various spelled out variations of unknown as an actually name are a great rarity. I have a number of ladies in my db sporting the dubious surname of Unknown-maiden and even a (very) few gentlemen who have a given first name of Unknown . What with Legacy's various ways (married names and aka's) to sort out which Mary-with-no-known-maiden-name I'm lookin' at in the name list ... I am inclined to re-think this subject and noting how others are handling it. Regards, Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknowns
JL, I guess the difference is that I don't consider that an instance of the program complaining! grin If you uncheck _Descriptive words in name field (Infant, Baby, etc.)_ on the Potential Problems page, it won't include (complain about) them in the report. I do like it when I can tell comp programs to shut up. :) On the other hand, Legacy does pop up a warning when I enter something similar on a new person. I haven't seen a way to turn that off, have you? Penny who's probably overlooking the obvious - Original Message - From: JLB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nope. I ran a potential problems report on my existing database and it complained about all the pre-existing Unknowns. JL Penny wrote: V7 didn't do anything to or make any objections to my various unknowns (whether first name or last) from my v6 database, Kirsten. I think JL's referring to the warning screen you get when you enter the word unknown in a name field when adding a new person in v7. Penny - Original Message - From: Kirsten Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] JL: I wish you'd quit worrying me like this! I have scads of unknowns already in my database (but don't have v.7 yet). What happens to them when you convert? What sort of objection does Legacy make? Is it just when entering a new unknown, or is there a problem with those already entered? Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of JLB Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 9:41 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Unknowns v.7 doesn't like people named Unknown either first name or last. What to do instead? Son/Daughter works when the sex is known. What for the unknowns? Could-Be-Either? What about unknown first names of Husbands? Still Son? What's wrong with Unknown? What for the unknown last names? Nothing? -- JL Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.2.0/1495 - Release Date: 6/10/2008 5:11 PM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] German Location Names?
I put a pin in the modern place on the map, even though the recorded location in my list is the location name it used to be. In other words, If where my ancestor lived in 1850 was St. Clair County, Alabama at that time, but is now in Etowah County, Alabama - the pin goes in the right place in Etowah County. Find the location, right click on the spot, say yes to the pop up box asking if you want to move the pin to there. Voila! Sometimes it takes a little research to find where the exact spot you want is located so you can pin it on the VE map in Legacy, but research is what we do, isn't it? HTH, Penny - Original Message - From: Richard Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:37 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] German Location Names? The recommendation from most professional genealogists is to record the place as it existed at the time of the event. You can then indicate in notes what the country is today. For example: Towns in the province of Bohemia were in Austria, then Czechoslovakia, and now Czech Republic. What I am experiencing is that the Legacy Mapping Feature doesn't recognize the old location names. It must use a modern Geo database. Has anyone figured out a way around this? Dick Richard M. Doherty Director, Celtic Quest, LLC 5237 Folkstone Dr. Troy, MI 48085-3222 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.celticquest.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 2:26 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] German Location Names? There are two locations naming systems. 1. Name the place how it was called on the date of the event. Takes a lot of research activities to pin down each of the various places a city may have been in over time. 2. Choose a date that all locations will use as to where they are. I used to use this until in a 20 year period, the countries of Sweden, France, United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland reorganized most of their counties and parishes for equalization of populations per place (don't know if it worked). For that I changed to #1. Find an atlas printed before 1960, and compare to a current one for each of those countries. So you must first decide which method you will use 100% of the time, or use choice 3. which is a hybrid of both of them, which is currently used by Old FamilySearch. Currently FS uses different choices for different areas. For Germany it used the boundaries existing in 1870 for identifying provinces the various cities were in. I don't know what the other cut-offs are. I saw it printed out on a paper at the LDS Libray, but lost it in my files a few years ago. I hope this clears up the mud. Rich in LA CA - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 4:40:06 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] German Location Names? GeoSci wrote: Does anyone have any idea about the proper name for the location below? I have found I have recorded at least 3 for the same place! Edenkoben, , Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany Edenkoben, Germany Edenkoben, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany As you know - Legacy likes a 4 part location (city, County, State, Country) or equivalent. Keith, I've run into the same problem with these same areas. I too would be interested in getting them corrected. While we know that Edenkoben is the name of the town, but I've wondered if Reinland and Bayern might be our equivelent of a county, but possibly the different time periods used a different name. Counties, towns and even states have changed names before so I think that a possibility. What are the dates linked to each address?? Just curious about the time frames. Do you have several entries under each spelling; are they all uniform to a specific time frame? Hopefully someone else can jump in with more complete and corrective information o this. Joseph Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1488 - Release Date: 6/6/2008 5:48 PM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknowns
V7 didn't do anything to or make any objections to my various unknowns (whether first name or last) from my v6 database, Kirsten. I think JL's referring to the warning screen you get when you enter the word unknown in a name field when adding a new person in v7. Penny - Original Message - From: Kirsten Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] JL: I wish you'd quit worrying me like this! I have scads of unknowns already in my database (but don't have v.7 yet). What happens to them when you convert? What sort of objection does Legacy make? Is it just when entering a new unknown, or is there a problem with those already entered? Kirsten -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of JLB Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 9:41 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Unknowns v.7 doesn't like people named Unknown either first name or last. What to do instead? Son/Daughter works when the sex is known. What for the unknowns? Could-Be-Either? What about unknown first names of Husbands? Still Son? What's wrong with Unknown? What for the unknown last names? Nothing? -- JL Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] zooming to pins in maps
Elaine, Double-click on the pin to zoom in and that should keep the pin centered; keep doing that until you get close as you need to be. You can also zoom in my increments (rather than continuous zoom) and that helps keep the pin where you can still see it and allows you to adjust the map so that the pin is centered before you zoom again. When you find the exact address within the town, right click on that spot and choose yes in the pop up box that asks if you want to move the pin to here. You can't move pins in birds eye view, so if you're using birds eye to locate a precise location, you'll need to switch back to either road or aerial to move the pin to where you want it. HTH, Penny - Original Message - From: Elaine Shuman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there any way to zoom into the pins in the maps (v.7)? When I zoom in, I lose the pins and have to scroll around for it. Also, is there any way to pin exact addresses, rather than towns? thanks Elaine Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Source titleing question
Yes, it would. Penny From: Elizabeth Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] My sources are currently organized: Birth certificates -- a Birth certificates -- b E-mails -a E-mails b Personal letter - a dated y/yy/yy Personal letter - b dated x/xx/xx Censuses by state, county and year And so on. Would it make sense to put some of the sources under a person's name first, so all the e-mails, letters, certificates etc for one person come up together? Elizabeth C Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Using parentheses after town name in Master Locations
If you put an address in parenthesis after a town name in a location (master location list), does this mess up any of the automatic things Legacy does with locations? (Don't ask me what automatic things - I don't know what all Legacy does yet; I'm throwing this out there to ask those of you who do.) Let's say I have Seagraves (606 12th St), Gaines, Texas, USA and I also have Seagraves (Gaines County Cemetery), Gaines, Texas, USA and I also have Seagraves (Walter Perry homestead), Gaines, Texas, USA. I want the second one (Gaines Co. Cemetery) in the location list so I can mark it on the map. I have similar need-to-pinpoint with several other towns/areas within given counties. I need some reassurance that enclosing specifics in parentheses after the town name in my master location list won't cause problems in ways I'm not considering. If it does cause something else to not work as it should, please tell me what it is. If I can do this without it messing up other things I want Legacy to do, then I'll worry about how to get the mapping feature to put the pins where I need them. What am I missing here? Your thoughts? Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] V7 Mapping/Virtual Earth
Thanks from me, too, Cathy! This seems to work really well so far (tested on maybe 15-20) with my VE mapping and puts things in a very readable order in the master locations list, too. Penny - Original Message - From: Cathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V7 Mapping/Virtual Earth You can actually do that search and replace in Legacy but you may want to do a little more testing a VE seems to give varied results. Cathy At 10:11 PM 1/06/2008, you wrote: Hi Cathy, Just replace the open paren with a dash and space, and get rid of the close paren. Two update queries in Access ought to do it. Thanks, Cathy! Margaret Cathy wrote: Hi Margaret, This format will take you right there so you can look at the houses: 226 Mather Rd, Jenkintown, Montgomery, PA, USA Just one advantage of just entering a location from smallest unit to largest ;-) Your format just lands you in Jenkintown. But this one takes you right there as well if you want to preserve the four fields Jenkintown - 226 Mather Rd., Montgomery, PA, USA I'm not sure what parsing Legacy is doing. I know Ken was playing with variations for the USA. Cathy At 10:28 AM 1/06/2008, you wrote: I can't get V7 yet, so I can't try this out myself. Perhaps someone with V7 could answer this question for me. I've created a Residence Address custom event and use it when I know an individual's street address. Since street address has been included in all US census's since the 1880, that's quite a few. I put the street address in parens after the city in order to comply with the Legacy-recommended location format (city, county, state, country location); i.e., Jenkintown (226 Mather Rd.), Montgomery, PA, USA (without the quotes). If I enter Jenkintown (226 Mather Rd.), Montgomery, PA, USA into Google Maps, Google finds it (and brings up Street View, allowing me to stand in the middle of the street and look at the house - very cool!). But if I bring up stand-alone Virtual Earth and enter Jenkintown (226 Mather Rd.), Montgomery, PA, USA, Virtual Earth can't find the address. Does V7 do any parsing of the location field to feed the address data to Virtual Earth in a format that it understands? Thanks, Margaret Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.4/1476 - Release Date: 5/31/2008 12:25 PM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG
This was my experience with TMG, as well. I even got the TMG training videos in hopes they would help sort out why this thing was harder-to-use than any genealogy program should be. And ... Oh my gosh. Those stupid films they made us watch (to keep us busy) in 6th grade were not as yawn-inducing as the TMG training videos are. I've hung onto them to use as sure-fire insomnia relief. (Thank you, Millenia for, not only making a user-friendly program, but for making training interesting, easy to watch, and enjoyable!) I also do not look at genealogy as event-oriented with people attached to said events; this is the TMG approach to genealogy db creation. Legacy is much more intuitive and user-friendly; furthermore, it looks at gen. db creation as people first, with events that happened to those people second. Legacy is much more my style and continues to fulfill all my needs and then some; I was quite relieved to have found it after my bummer-experience with TMG. As I see it, Legacy and TMG use two different approaches and, therefore, fill two different niches in the gen-db world. Penny - Original Message - From: G. C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 5:57 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy vs TMG I have TMG 6 that I upgraded from TMG 5. I have tried on many occasions to work with it and cannot. If you want to spend you time fooling around with the software and forget about Genealogy it's the program for you. You can dot your I's twice and cross you T's three times. In all honesty I am sure TMG works well for a lot of (A__L) people but it is way too complex and the learning curve too steep for me. I would rather spend my time researching than worrying about the punctuation in a descendent report. G.C. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Version 7 @ Amazon.com
I've kept my mouth shut on this subject, but this is getting beyond old. **Any** publisher of software, books, movies who sells their product through Amazon.com has that product offered as a Pre-published Item. That means that you can buy it (pay for it - not get it) now at Amazon.com's whopping price of $49.95 US ... before Amazon.com gets its shipment from the publisher. In other words ... the offer is to buy it now from Amazon at Amazon's price, get in line with Amazon's other paying customers, and Amazon will ship it to you 1-3 weeks (which is when they expect to get their copies from Millenia). Bear in mind that Amazon does not guarantee that's when they'll ship it - it's an estimated timeframe. (voice of experience) Please note: You essentially had this option from Millenia, too. Every single person here could have gotten it by purchasing v6 (whether for the first or second time doesn't matter) from Millenia and that would have been the equivalent of a pre-purchase from Amazon ... except that if you bought from Millenia it would have been certainly less expensive. But no. You gripers wanted special treatment, essentially for no extra charge, because you have been such loyal users. Oh, please! If the newest product a given software company puts out is sub-par, you won't remain loyal and buy it .. you'll hang on to what you've got or buy something new from somebody else. So do stop making noises as if Millenia owes you one because you've done the publishers of Legacy some kind of huge favor by purchasing and using their product in the past. You kept using it because you liked the product you felt you got what you paid for. An argument could be made that if you were all that loyal and supportive, you wouldn't have minded shelling out a few extra bucks to re-purchase the full v6 (getting v7 thrown in when it was released) just to help the publisher out financially. Sounds sort of silly when put that way, does it? Not any sillier than this griping about loyal users somehow having their rights trampled on sounds. There. I feel better having gotten that off my chest. Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Splitting a spouses family off?
Dawn, this may be a painfully tedious workaround, but I'm offering the idea anyway. You might consider creating user ids that include an indicator of whether the person is on your side of the family or your husband's. Maybe the person's RIN prefixed by an initial? If your db is extensive, this would be time consuming, but might be worth your while (due to lowered aggravation when looking through the list of people). Someone here might know of a fast way to do this, but I don't. Regards, Penny - Original Message - From: Dawn Del Guercio To: legacyusergroup Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:20 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Re: Splitting a spouses family off? Thanks all for your information, links and opinions. sigh I'm going to keep my spouses family in the same tree, but it's a real pain to look through the list of people, and half of them are not even related to me by blood! Dawn Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.3/1472 - Release Date: 5/29/2008 7:27 AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Slots for number of children
This is a really nice feature in v7, Meg. My maternal grandmother was one of 14 siblings, too. It was such a pain to have to be forever scrolling down to get to those last four. But not anymore! I chose best fit in the options for children's columns and now Grandmother's sibs show up in three side-by-side columns. The families with just one kid (or up to five) show up in one column; those with 6-10 have two columns. Makes it lots easier to navigate and looks very neat and tidy. Penny - Original Message - From: Meg Greenwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 10:20 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Slots for number of children I've got an ancient version of Legacy, version 4. Am ready to update and have a question on version 7's ability to list the number of children in a family. v4 has the same number of 'slots' for every family in the entire database. You can change it...but the change affects ALL the families. I have some with upwards of 14 children which squeezes names in a small listing, any more are on an extra tab. Those families with few children show mostly unecessary blank spaces. I need to be able to show a rare few familes with 14, 15, 16 or more children with others having only 2, 3 or 4. I need the family page display to be sized accordingly. Will v7 offer me this option ? Meg Greenwood === Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.1/1468 - Release Date: 5/26/2008 3:23 PM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Slots for number of children
Very true, Ron. However, my point was aimed at my pleasure in that global setting in v7. Before, I **had** to choose one or another: either my larger-families could be seen without scrolling, but left only-kids scrinched into one little corner on our pages; or scrolling to find find any number-12s and 14s. I wasn't happy with either choice. Best fit is so much better to look at while making it easier to navigate and I'm enjoying this new feature! (Luckily, I have precious few instances of more than 15 kids born to one set of parents.) Penny You can globally set the children's columns in Version 6 to 15. The difference in Version 7 is that there is a globally setting of best fit which sets each individual page. As has been said for over 15 siblings the scroll bar will still need to be used. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] v7 features I like best ... SourceWriter is among them
I really like the new SourceWriter and I didn't think I was going to! It's quick and easy. I like that there's a readily viewable designation of which sources have been created using it, too. The override output option in it is handy, as well. In most instances, I'm quite willing to state everything there is to know about a source I'm citing. However, when it comes to a census citation, I have a perverse unwillingness to state which of several available places I viewed a given image. I don't think it matters (and yes, I know some of you think it does - quite a lot!). The override does allow me to edit out those things in the output detail like parentheses and the little notation that I didn't provide the where I saw it. When I put a source that includes overridden output onto the source clipboard, it does not automatically tick the override choice-boxes for me, but it does keep the way I wanted the override written so that three quick clicks adds my detail output just as I wanted it to be. Fantastic! I can see where the ability to quickly switch back and forth between SourceWriter and Basic Source entry would be a nice addition. As it is, you have to go to OptionsCustomizeSource and choose one or the other and save it. Perhaps this will suffice for the moment as I can't be sure I won't be able to customize the great majority of SourceWriter entries adequately enough. Hopefully, there won't be many of those outside of U.S. Censi. Who knows ... I may rarely ever use the Basic version of source entry again! So far v7 is a real winner, imo. Now, if it would only do the danged household chores for me, so all I had to do is play with genealogy. Maybe Millenia can include that on the wishlist for v8? :) Happy Memorial Day, y'all! Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Off topic - BUT WOW!!!!!
We're practicing our waiting-in-line so we'll be used to it when soon finally gets here. :) Penny - Original Message - From: JLB [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you're having trouble getting on to the Zotero website (I am) it might be due to 'somebody' having sent the entire LUG over there. Patience... -- JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Markie Flint Blackmon wrote: OMG - thanks!! GeoSci wrote: If you have not discovered ZOTERO for your research as yet - you really must check it out (THANKS to JLB - http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html). Once set up - as you do your research - click the little blue box and you have recorded your source!! Need to return to the source - NO PROBLEM! Where was this when I needed it in college!?!?!? Keith Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.14/1425 - Release Date: 5/9/2008 12:38 PM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7 out on 05-10-2008
I can almost feel the baited-breath of people on this list from my computer desk. Hear us thinking: Is that the date? Could that possibly be the date? Are you sure? How sure are you? Will Legacy soon confirm it? Oh, the anxiety! the anticipation! the itch one cannot scratch ... quite yet! I swear, it's worse than being six years old and the date being December 23. grin Penny - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, last weekend Geoff told me, that Legacy 7 will be available for dl on May, 10th 2008! IŽm so excited... Yours Cyndi Bishop ___ Jetzt neu! Schützen Sie Ihren PC mit McAfee und WEB.DE. 30 Tage kostenlos testen. http://www.pc-sicherheit.web.de/startseite/?mc=00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.9/1417 - Release Date: 5/6/2008 8:07 AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Add a NEW person or Link to an EXISTING person.
Lavern, When you're trying to link to an existing person and the list of people for you to choose from is on the screen, highlight the one you want and then click select. This will automatically link that one selected person to the new relationship. So, no you don't have to choose the whole list.. If the person you are trying to add (as a spouse, child, or parent) already exists in your database and you simply input that person as if they were not already in the database, then you'll wind up with a duplicate that you need to merge. Hope that helps, Penny - Original Message - From: Lavern Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LegacyUG] Add a NEW person or Link to an EXISTING person. Hello. I'm having a real go-around understanding the difference between these two options: Add a NEW person or Link to an EXISTING person. Every time I enter an individual whom I know to be a relative, am I not Adding a NEW person, and wouldn't I select that option? If I were to add this new person (a relative) and select Link to an Existing person, that selection takes me to the name list where, it seems to me, that I'd have to select *everyone* in the family (direct and collateral individuals) to link this new person? Could someone please tell me what I'm missing here? Thanks so much. Lavern Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1413 - Release Date: 5/3/2008 11:22 AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] New User of Legacy seeking advice
Hi Colin in Oz, I too switched recently from FTM to Legacy (and wow, I'm so glad I did). The Users Guide is out of print, but along with my purchase of Legacy Deluxe, I downloaded the Guide off Legacy's website. They sent me a link to download it in PDF. It comes in handy and sometimes points me to where to look in the help files that I hadn't thought about. When all else fails, there's always this list! (One of Legacy's best user resources.) Regards, Penny in Texas - Original Message - From: Colin Liddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 5:46 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] New User of Legacy seeking advice Hi Folks, I am a long time user of Family Tree Maker and decided to give Legacy a try as so many have told me that it is the best. There are considerable differences between the two programs and I would like to hear any suggestions on what you think is the best way to aquaint myself with the program. I have downloaded the free version 6 and made a gedcom copy of one of my FTM files and imported it into Legacy, so far all seems OK. I am now looking at purchasing the Deluxe version with the printed version of the Users Guide but I believe it is out of print and will not be available till version 7 comes out. Any suggestions on how I can improve my knowledge of Legacy will be greatly appreciated. Colin in Oz. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1398 - Release Date: 4/25/2008 2:31 PM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] New User of Legacy seeking advice
I don't think I really had any major difficulties, Colin. There were a couple of minor things that didn't quite translate, but the major data was all intact (people were where they were supposed to be in the database the sources notes were all attached as I had them, etc.). The very few minor things were easy enough to fix. Check to see how many individuals you have in your FTM db. During import, Legacy will tell you how many it's importing; that way you'll be reassured that all your people made it through. Later (after I'd made enough changes to my file to cause me not to want to do a re-import), I discovered that I wished I had told Legacy to put all my FTM notes into the research notes rather than into general notes. (Something you might want to consider, depending on what your current notes look like and what your preferences are.) What version of FTM are you using? I ran backwards from the latest one - it sounded like a total disaster. My suggestion would be to give exporting a gedcom from FTM a try and see what your import into Legacy looks like. I found that fiddling around with my files after I got them into Legacy was a great way to start learning to use it. No, I don't run FTM at all any more - I found shortly after getting Legacy that FTM didn't fill any needs that Legacy couldn't handle better. (I don't work for 'em ... honest! LOL I just really like the software.) I'm still finding out where all the buttons and hootchits are that make the bells and whistles on Legacy do their thing, but it's not so difficult as to kill the fun. Penny who thinks you better enjoy that sun before winter sets in! - Original Message - From: Colin Liddell Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New User of Legacy seeking advice Hi Penny in Texas, There seem to be a number of people on this list that have moved over from FTM, I am beginning to understand why after using Legacy for a few days. Do you run FTM in tandem with Legacy or have you made a total change over? Did you have any problems in importing your FTM files, if so what were they and do you have any suggestions. Colin in sunny Qld. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How to Source...
I hadn't seriously thought of using myself as a source until y'all brought this up. (well, duh!) So, I gave it a whirl. I honestly wasn't sure what to put on the MS except, Hayes, Penny Perry as the Title. So, I saved it and tried citing it for my daughter's birth. What a hoot! Let's see now. There's no page number, that's for sure. (Although, as any mom will tell ya, giving birth is one for the books.) How about if I just put Key player in the detail? Well, if you can't have a laugh with these things now and then, I figure you're taking life way too seriously. Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Family view information fields problem
Thanks ever so much, Mark Ron! Boy, is my face red... that was so simple. I'd never have found it on my own, but after this, I bet I never forget it, either! LOL I owe ya both a plate of homemade cookies. Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Sources and the elusive version 7 .... again.
I have a question which may actually not be answerable, but I'm asking it anyway. (and yes, I know sources have been done-to-death on LUG, but sources/citations are where the rubber-meets-the-road in genealogy, aren't they!?) Without asking that anyone who's had the privilege of actually previewing version 7 violate possible non-disclosure-agreements they may have signed with the nice folks at Millenia: In your opinion, is it possible to enter sources in Legacy v6 in such a way as to create the least amount of problems when we switch to v7? In otherwords, is there any advice on how to enter sources **now** in such a way as to ensure the greatest conformity between these currently entered source and the ones we will enter via v7? I seriously need to re-organize and re-word many sources I already have in my db. I also need to add a ton of 'em that I have on paper and in computer files. My previous gen. program was a pita for managing sources. I procrastinated, looking for The Better Way and found Legacy (and love it), but I've put off attacking my sources for several more months now, waiting for version 7. That's months in an old-lady's life she won't ever get back! LOL So, while I'm quite happy to wait for v 7 to be ready (surely nobody wants Millenia to release it until then and nobody has a clue when that will be), I've come to the conclusion I need to proceed using the latest v6. Any advice? (Fwiw, I suppose I'm a splumper or some such. I take the middle road between splitter and lumper.) Thanks in advance for all opinions and words of wisdom, Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sources and the elusive version 7 .... again.
Thanks for your reply, Elizabeth. But, of course, that's the point: I **do** want both the sources I enter now in v6 and the ones I'll enter in v7 to be formatted identically. Sorry, if I wasn't clear enough earlier. I was not talking about conformity to the standard of what all should be included, but conformity of format (including my desired level of lumping/splitting) of my own various sources. Let me put it this way: While the standard for information which should be included in sources and citing them has remained static over the years, different genealogy programs (or versions thereof) oftentimes require very different approaches in order to achieve/maintain conformity across one's own database (even when one attempts to include all the information required by the standard). Still clear as mud? Sorry, that's about the best I can do to expand on my original inquiry. Like I said, it may not be an answerable question, but thanks again for your input. Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sources and the elusive version 7 .... again.
Thank you, Elizabeth! You have voiced my sentiments about the entire matter exactly. It's as if I had written your post myself. I expect we'll all be quite pleased when v7 finally reaches our hard-drives and I anxiously await the day. In the meantime, having been given reason to believe you are correct in your expectations, I will commence this long-overdue project. When I'm done, my fellow researchers will be grateful to find my sources where they should be instead of in my notes and I'll be much happier with my reports in general. LOL I appreciate you and this list! Penny Elizabeth Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess my reply wasn't as clear as I thought. There is no reason to think Legacy, the gold standard in genealogy programs, would make any part of your database unable to conform to an upgrade. (If it does, it could not possibly be considered a very good genealogy program, let alone the best, and I will immediately, if not sooner, look for another.) There should be nothing you do in v6 that won't be automatically incorporated by v7. You should not have to rework anything. You should be able to continue your work until the next version comes out. That should be true with whatever version you have now and whether or not you upgrade to v7, or, in fact, wait until there is a v8. As I understand it, the only thing different about sources in v7 is that there will now be another way to enter those sources. The output will remain identical to what you do now, so there is no need to worry that sources in v6 will somehow look different than the sources input via v7. In fact, as I understand it, you will be able to continue to input exactly as you do now, that you will not be required to use the new templates. I certainly hope that is true, anyway, because I don't want to have to conform to some stringent input device. What is there now is exactly what you or I or anyone needs: title, author, publication information, detail. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Family view information fields problem
Sorry. It's me again. I have this problem: I somehow changed the field in family view on one person. It's the field that used to default to Burial. It now reads Cremation. I don't know how I changed it to that, but apparently I did do it and now can't remember what I did. Problem is that I can't get it to change back. When I click on the field name to the left of this problem field, it brings up the customize display dialogue box for changing all five fields just as it should. The names to display in the other four fields show a dark font, but in this one, Buried/Crem., is grayed out. It will, however, let me click on the ... and bring up the list of alternatives; it will then let me choose another and it does apply it. Then when I change it back again by choosing Burial/Crem., I've still got Cremation showing in the wife's field instead of Buried. I tried setting to Default and still got Cremation in that field. I've read the the manual, I've read the help file, I've searched the archives, but can't seem to find anything that tells me what else to try. Anybody want to take a guess at what this crazy old lady did to mess up this setting? ... and it would be nice if you could tell her how to fix it. I'd be more than a little grateful! Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0
That answers my question, JL. Thanks!. Penny - Original Message - From: JLB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0 I also have census records with several families on them. I just make a copy for each one. It would not work at all to put 3 or 4 different MRIN's on the same document. This is also an issue on birth certificates I've found where's there's as many as 9 of my relatives on the same page. I make a copy for each and file them by MRIN's as usual. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Re tiff format
For me, part of it would be finding the source document quickly/readily without resorting to the paper files (call me lazy), but as has been pointed out, there are plenty of other ways to accomplish this. The other part would be the ability to share those source documents easily with my researcher relatives who don't necessarily have a graphics program installed on their computers and/or who have limited email capacity. I'll probably make the pdfs for them, tif files for my own originals, and probably something else (I haven't decided what yet) for my own Legacy-linked sources. This seems way-yonder redundant, even to me, but what the heck. I have a big drive and it's not like computer space is at a premium. That's my current reasoning ... others' mileage may vary. Penny - Original Message - From: G. C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:27 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Re tiff format You are right. There are several free PDF creation programs that are set up like printer drivers. I still don't get linking PDF's to Legacy if they cannot be printed in Legacy reports. Is this just a way to find your source document? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Irony can be amusing ... or playing by the rules of group netiquette.
I'm sorry, but it just struck my funny bone. Maybe it's just that's it's Friday and I'm in a good mood and a little too easily amused. But here's a tip tinged with irony: If one is going to reply to an offender of Lug's netiquette requiring messages to be in plain text, one should please remember to take their wee mousie-pointer and click on the format menu and change their own reply to plain text. Yikes, that's hard to remember to do, but we all need to do it. Think of it as an early Christmas gift to Sherry and the rest of the nice folks at Millenia. Have a great week-end, everybody! You're a super bunch of people and I'm learning tons about Legacy from you. Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0
Help! I can see how pdf would have it's advantages. Among other things, it would simplify those census images where one family continues from the bottom of one page to the top of the next by combining them into one file. I can't quite figure out the best way to name my census image pdfs, though. Bearing in mind all my census sources are from the U.S. I want to use Geoff's MRIN filing system plus J.L.'s way of referencing digital images in a digital library: What I'd like to do is lump my census sources into year plus state (or at most, year plus state plus county) and put the rest of the information into the citation detail. I'm wondering how best to name the digital census pdfs in my digital library, given all the above. I suppose I could just name these pdfs yearstatenumeral (1880texas1) or yearstate_countynumeral (1880texas_coryell1) with the consecutive numbers on the end being the differentiator among them. Do you think that sounds workable? Right now, all these images are jpgs and digitally filed in folders of the family surname(s) found on them; I have duplicates in the many instances where more than one family surname is found on the same image. It's going to be a big project to put them into pdfs rename them, so I want to be reasonably sure where I'm going with this. What do y'all suggest? J.L.? Anybody? Thanks! Penny - Original Message - From: JLB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0 I like to link pictures to sources so mostly I do source records as graphics. Most of my Master Sources exist as pdf as they're multiple pages of text, for example a cemetery listing. All are linked by number using the MRIN filing system, which also cross-references to a folder full of the digitized versions. Pretty big folder but it works fine. If you haven't read about it yet: http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/2007-06-01-mrin_filing_revisited.shtml I would say the only benefit to pdf's as far as Legacy goes is being able to open them directly from a gallery inside Legacy. Generally I would copy and paste the text directly into the appropriate Notes field. There are some documents (mixed text and graphics) that don't easily fit in any of the above solutions. I put those into the general organization of my family history which is set up in a family folder structure that is defined the same way in Passage Express. I think it comes down to how you imagine sharing your history. JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www3.telus.net/Jgen/jlog.html Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Linking files to Legacy 6.0
Thanks to all of you who have replied to my initial question. I've learned a couple of things from you about this. Among other things, I didn't know there was such a thing as IrfanView until now. (I'll take a look at it appreciate your pointing it out to me.) And I'll admit I hadn't considered pasting one image into the area next to another and saving the whole thing as one image. That's obviously a good workaround to having two separate census images for one family. For those of you who include reference to the specific head-of-house in the image file name and/or begin the file name with a couple's MRIN number, I have another question: what do you do about naming images of census pages which have two or more individual families, and therefore, two or more MRINs on them? These are not members of the same household, but they are all people in my database; sometimes they are not actually kin to each other, but are only kin to mutual people. I also have multiple instances of my gg-grandparents in one household, two doors down are my g-grandparents, and next door is a sibling to my g-gp with his/her family. The three families aren't living together, they're living close to one another. Do you have duplicates of the same image, each with a name that reflects this head-of-household or each couple's MRIN? Or, are you picking out one family of the three and naming the census image with that one head-of-house or one couple's MRIN in it and then referencing that number for all the rest, even though they aren't in the same actual household??? I expect I'm being dense here. Sorry, but I'd like a little more clarification on how others do this. Thanks again! You're all great! Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Question about locations
Interesting question, Nancy. I would interpret usage in your example to mean the person lived at the place noted at that time (and may or may not have been born there). However, there is also a similar usage of the word of that wouldn't necessarily mean that the person lived in the location or was born there either, but that his/her family is differentiated from others of the same surname by a given location. An example would be Thomas Dunaway of the Spartanburg Dunaways. Anyway, I'm like you. I wouldn't trust such a sentence as your example to be a birth place. I'd want a more specific statement for that. Penny - Original Message - From: Nancy Subject: [LegacyUG] Question about locations I always hesitate when I read of an individual who is referred to as being of a place. As in: Maria Schmidt married John Bender, of Duxbury. What exactly does that mean? Does it mean he was a native of Duxbury, hence born there and I would document it in Legacy as such? Or does it mean that at that particular time he was a resident of Duxbury and I should document it as a residence? I see it all the time and I don't remember reading or hearing anything about how it should be treated. I've been putting it in Legacy as a residence, because I'm just anal enough to need a much more precise reference but I confess, I'd like to be able to fill in all those birth places. All help appreciated, Nancy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Question about locations
- Original Message - From: Nancy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Question about locations However, there is also a similar usage of the word of that wouldn't necessarily mean that the person lived in the location or was born there either, but that his/her family is differentiated from others of the same surname by a given location. An example would be Thomas Dunaway of the Spartanburg Dunaways. Penny Thanks, Penny. I knew there was a reason I posed this question to the group because I would never have come up with this explanation myself. How would you input your example into Legacy? I most often see the of location in older genealogies and have wondered if it meant something specific back then that was universally understood and has since been abandoned. Nancy Nancy, I wouldn't enter my example above in my database other than as a research note. All it would indicate to me, personally, is that the gentleman is related to other people with the surname Dunaway known to inhabit Spartanburg. It would be a clue as to further family and nothing more. Your mileage may vary. I have no clue as to whether the meaning was more specific at some time in history. Regards, Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] census clean-up
I am in exactly the same place with census sources, Janis. I have split them too much in the past and would like to lump them more as I clean up these entries and add others. At present, I'm simply noting the census finds I have (that aren't already entered as sources) in the research notes section. I'm going to wait out the nice Millenia folks and hold off until version 7 gets here. I'll wait with as much patience as I can muster - which isn't what anyone could quantify as abundant. grin Penny Hayes - Original Message - From: Janis Gilmore Subject: [LegacyUG] census clean-up I have some serious census sourcing clean-up that needs to be done, to bring them into conformity with the Mills templates. I had done a great deal of it prior to hearing that Legacy 7 will offer better Mills sourcing capabilities. I have been putting the census clean-up on the back burner, so to speak, for some time now as I wait for the new version. I am wondering if I should just abandon the wait, and forge ahead? If I had some idea of what the changes will entail, I could make a better decision on this. Am curious if others find themselves in the same limbo, and what you have decided to do? Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Speaking of alternate names...
Personally, I record the ones I know were in use, even though they don't show up on any official documents. Two examples: I was researching an uncle who was U.S. Army tank commander, KIA in Europe in WWII. As you know, most of those official records were destroyed in a fire. Someone in Arthur Erwin Hayes' tank batallion wrote a history of their unit; but I'd never have found my uncle in it if I had only searched for Arthur E. Hayes. I found him because I was aware he was known by everyone both in and out of the family as Bud Hayes and that's how he was referred to in the book. Sometimes the un-official records can tell you as much as the official ones! My father's birth name was Orval; his nick name was Punch. We were at a family reunion when he and his cousins were in their 70s. Somebody (I forget who) referred to him as Orval and two other cousins' mouths dropped open. They had never known what his real name was until then. Just another take on it to consider. I have several people in my lineage who fit this situation; your mileage may vary. Penny - Original Message - From: Michele Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LegacyUG] Speaking of alternate names... When you record AKAs do you only record those names you have actually seen on a document or do you include POSSIBLE name variations? I am just starting to record AKAs and I notice there is a source attached to each AKA so I am thinking you are supposed to be only recording the name variations you have actually seen. michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] a few questions
Myrna, not much help, but maybe a little. Top-Down Tree Chart: Wider than it is tall; usually has each person's b,m,d info in a box; Top line of boxes has one ancestral couple. Second horizontal line of boxes is each of the ancestral couple's children. Third horizontal line of boxes is each of the grand-children Fourth line is their G-grands and so forth.. This type of chart, as you can probably visualize, can get really wide in a very short number of generations. I'm curious as to how any genealogy program produces a truly self-printable chart of this type. It might be nice to have for family reunions, but then if I were doing that, I think I'd want a pro to print it out for me just for the fancy aesthetics re paper quality, size, etc.. Ymmv. I have no clue as to what she means by drag drop charting or number of data files. Maybe you should just ask her what they are? Good luck with your presentation! Best idea is one you've already had: let 'em try Legacy. They'll probably fall in love with it. I sure did. Regards, Penny - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: (LegacyUserGroup) LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] a few questions Hello Listers, We have a new genealogy group here at Lakeside. It consists of about 5 knowledgeable people on computers and genealogy and 25 or so people that have some knowledge of computers and none on genealogy. We also have several that *may* know how to turn on a computer. At our next meeting several of us will be presenting different genealogy software packages. Even though I am definitely not an expert I opened my big mouth and said I would present Legacy (since I am the ONLY one here that uses it). Others will be presenting PAF, FTM, and RootsMagic. I have downloaded and burned copies of the standard version to pass out to anyone who wants to try it (with permission from Sherry). Another person has put together a matrix of the differences in the software packages. The only one that comes anywhere near Legacy is RootsMagic (which I had tried but did not like). In her matrix she has a few statements that confused me and I wanted to get some of your opinions. 1) traditional top-down tree (what is it?) 2) drag and drop charting (since I don't do charting I have not idea) 3) number of data files (she lists 2 for Legacy and 35 for RM) She says Legacy does not have these capabilities and RM does. Since I am trying to convince everyone to use Legacy over the other programs I need all the help I can get. And please remember - I am a person who HATES to speak in front of others. Even writing about it gives me the shakes. So, anyone out there care to help this old lady convince others how great Legacy is? What would be really nice is if someone took a vacation and came down here to present it - unpaid of course :-))) Thanks, Myrna in beautiful, sunny, warm, Mexico Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1283 - Release Date: 2/16/2008 2:16 PM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Information Left Out of Reports
Hi Barbara, Sorry for not acting on my inclination and answering this when you first asked. (I'm one of the newbies to Legacy, so I hesitated.) I know for a fact that Legacy will handle at least 5 spouses. I have an ancestor who went through that many wives in one lifetime; and each report I've done that included him had all five of 'em in there. So, we can eliminate the multiple-marriages as the problem. As to what settings are something else that might be going on, I'll have to leave to the ol' experts that inhabit this (truly marvelous!!!) list. Y'all are so great! Great list for a great software. Doesn't get any better than that. Penny - Original Message - From: Barbara Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 11:00 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Information Left Out of Reports Since I got no responses to my earlier question about this, I'm going to try again. I am extremely interested in an explanation for this, because this problem would be serious enough for me to change software programs. I am hoping that this error is because of something I am doing wrong, because that could be resolved. While there are many things I love about Legacy, it is very important for MY uses of the program (mainly for my current family and for my descendants) that I can create reports and trust that important information such as marriage information will be included in the reports. I have not done extensive trial and error, but I have experimented with at least two book reports (ancestor and descendant), and in those cases, if I include four generations, it leaves off my brother's most recent marriage. The data is in the program, apparently correctly, because if I decrease the number of generations, it includes his most recent marriage. Everyone has their own story. This is just an example of how it is important to be able to rely on the program to be indiscriminate in pulling in data for reports: My brother finally got his life together about 16 years ago. At that time, he married his current wife, a person who is now like a sister to my siblings. I can't even send out a descendant or ancestor report to my family (none of them are doing research; all of them love to read reports of my research), because in the list of my siblings, it lists everyone's marriages and relationships, including his, EXCEPT for the most recent one (marked as preferred). The report would indicate that his last marriage was one that ended in divorce more than 25 years ago. Now, this is just my story. But, I give it as an example of the importance of data inclusion in reports. Is this just a glitch in the program that will be taken care of in 7? Is it going to be a trial and error situation again, even in 7? Is there something I am doing wrong (note: I have tried shortening the information in the fields; didn't help). Hopefully someone can help me out here. Thanks, Barbara Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.4/1276 - Release Date: 2/13/2008 9:41 AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Finding those archives .... was Entering same gender partners
Hi y'all! I'm new to the list. I've been trying and trying to find the archives prior to Nov 2007. Where are they? I can find the ones from Nov to now, but not before that. Help??? Penny Hayes - Original Message - From: ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Entering same gender partners Art, There has been much discussion on this before and there is no really satisfactory solution. I suggest that you have a look at the archives to view all the suggestions there. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Entering same gender partners Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 16:55:30 -0500 When I try to enter a new “spouse,” Legacy forces me to use either a male husband or female wife. How do I enter same gender partners? Surely, in this day, some of you have come across the same situation. Thanks for any suggestions -- Art _ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1256 - Release Date: 2/2/2008 1:50 PM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Finding those archives .... was Entering same gender partners
Well, at least I know it's not just be being dense (as the reason I can't find the previous archives). That's something, I suppose. Looks like you might be asked to put with some already-covered questions from time to time. Oh, I tried doing searches and it was some help. But, it's maddening to find part of a pertinent thread from, say, back in Aug, 2006, but it's only part of it ... and no way to to browse to the rest. Ah, well. Such is life. I'm so tickled over my new Legacy program! wowsers, I'm wondering what took me so long to make the leap. Thanks everybody, Penny Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] older archives website
Thanks! :) Penny - Original Message - From: Dawn Crowley [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup%40mail.millenniacorp.com/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
