Re: [LegacyUG] Duplicate source names on Web pages

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

Thanks, Ron.  That was an easy fix.  I unchecked "Include Source List
Name" on the "Customise Sources" tab.

Sara

On 11/2/07, ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sara,
>
> Your thoughts as to what is causing this probelems are correct. You may have 
> to play around a little to get what you require but what is needed is a 
> balance between the "Other" tab on the Web Page Creation screen and, more 
> importantly, Options>Customise>Sources. You may find that if the Source List 
> Name on the latter  is unchecked then the problem may be resolved. Otherwise 
> changing the other opyions available should do the trick.
>
> BTW if using Pedigree Web Pages I usually suggest having the Sources on each 
> individual's page.
>
> Ron Ferguson
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[LegacyUG] Duplicate source names on Web pages

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

I just noticed that on my Web pages source names show twice.  For instance,

Obituary, obituary, obituary of John Smith, The Tennessean, April 10,
1999, p. 12B.
[I have a master source called "Obituary".'

1920 United States Census for Davidson County, Tennessee, 1920 United
States Census for Davidson County, Tennessee, Enumeration District 28,
Sheet 12.

[I have a master source called "1920 United States Census for Davidson
County, Tennessee."]

Is there any way to prevent this?  Is it because my master source name
and my title are the same?

Sara



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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Too Complicated???

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

> I came to Legacy from FTM with an extensive database.  My sourcing methods 
> were already set.  I have never worried about necessarily matching the Legacy 
> format.  As an old English major, I began genealogy using the methodology I 
> was taught for writing research papers.   I have always sourced census 
> records along these lines, 1900 United States Census for Davidson County, 
> Tennessee, Enumeration District 28, Sheet 12.  I don't fill in an author for 
> census records, and I don't use the repository space.  I know that my method 
> may not be ideal, but it certainly lets me know where I got each piece of 
> information.  When I share a report with someone, I frequently get the 
> comment that I have done a wonderfully detailed job of sourcing.

It's been said before, but I'll add it again.  Legacy is very
flexible.  I switched because of a few features.  I don't feel bound
to change my methods or to use all the features.

Sara

> - Original Message -
> From: "Valerie Garton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:19 AM
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy Too Complicated???
>
>
> > Yes I too agree whole heartedly with Diane. A terrific program BUT
> > dealing with the sources is a nightmare. I would find it a lot easier if
> > the instructions were given as an example say a death certificate or a
> > directory find or a cemetery detail.  I know what I am trying to say and
> > I  hope some one else will too.
> >
> > Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney.
> > Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow &
> > Wexford
> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing sources from a source..

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

I don't know whether this is "correct" or not, but it records the information:

The History of Ancestor County by John Smith, Ancestor Publishing Co.,
New York, 1992, p. 125, citing the will of William Smith, Ancestor
County Will Book 3, p. 92.

Sara

On 10/13/07, Jess M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The main book I am currently working off of has it's
> own sources, but they are not mine.
> How can I source a sources sources and it actually
> make sense?
>
> I know we discuss sourcing a lot, and there are a lot
> of past discussions in the archives, but I find the
> archives difficult to deal with.
>
> Thanks,
> Jess M
>
> Jess M
> Proud to be Single Mom to
> CJ-9
> Jo-7
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Re: [LegacyUG] Master source vs events list

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

I didn't lose any either.  In fact, one of the reasons that I switched
to Legacy was that the version of FTM I was using had a limited amount
of notes space.  Sometimes I would have to continue a person's notes
into the notes area for his spouse.

Sara

On 10/12/07, John Blair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I didn't lose any notes going from FTM to Legacy. John
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Master source vs events list

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

Amen, Janis!  The important thing is to know where that data came from
so that others can find it or you can find it again.  At the risk of
having others shout, "Wrong, wrong, wrong!" I confess with fear and
trembling that I put my census transcriptions in the general notes
section and that I do not use census events.  I am not recommending
this method, but I had a very large database when I switched to Legacy
from Family Tree Maker.  My transcriptions were in the equivalent of
general notes, and FTM did not have census events.

Some methods are better than others; but if you get the data in the
program and show where it came from accurately, you will be miles
ahead of many.

Sara


On 10/12/07, Janis Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > I know that newer Legacy users get tired of hearing it - but there is no
> right or wrong way. It's all about how you want to use it, what fits your
> research and your research skills.
>
> The only thing I REALLY feel strongly about is making sure that you source
> properly and with plenty of detail. I speak from experience - I have some
> old, original data from when I started doing genealogy 25 years ago, that I
> have no clue about. The earlier that you develop scholarly sourcing habits,
> the better off you will be!
>
> Janis



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Re: [LegacyUG] Children out of Wedlock

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

"Consort" also has a specialized use on tombstones, where it indicates
that the deceased's spouse was still living at the time of death.

"Relict" is used when the deceased's spouse had died previously.

Although I guess this could be used for either sex, I recall seeing it
used only on women's tombstones.

Sara

On 10/9/07, Evyonne Eddins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Good Evening Allen:
>
> Go to www.dictionary.net/consort - There you wil find many appropriate 
> "phrases" to where the term has been used throughout history to connect an 
> acceptable gentleman's "harmony" with another.
>
> I have come across the same thing in three different instances (in three 
> different surname lines) with two occurring in Tennessee & one in South 
> Carolina.  In both TN instances, I was able to prove the relationship in each 
> -
>
> #1The one in South Carolina, in checking out the Bastardy Bonds, I found out 
> that records within the section that originally had during the early 1790s, 
> and been TORN FROM THE BOOK!  Finally found Bible Records within the State 
> Archives of his brother, a PATRIOT where the son was noted as the son of 
> ., (a TORY), who moved to Novia Scotia after the Revolution.
>
> #2 Through family legend backed up by  TN Census - where the "Consort" used 
> her own surname as HH, and listed each of her children carrying the surname 
> of the father (only his surname came up with her children) The family legend 
> continued that his "legal" wife didn't like that "nasty stuff", but she did 
> have a good supper ready for him after he returned home! (He & his legal wife 
> had only one son) - -
>
> #3 The "Consort" was living next door to her (as Cathy described the paternal 
> partner as a "Stallion") - love that moniker! - Proved that one through court 
> records - Shortly after the "Stallion" was desceased, one of his sons by the 
> "Consort" died.  The Consort wanted wanted him buried with his father.  The  
> "legal" wife and children of the "Stallion" opposed such a burial, and the 
> "Consort" took it to court.  The Court's decision was to allow the 
> "Stallion;s" & the Consort's"  son to be buried adjacent to the established 
> burial ground with a separate outside gate to be provided by the wife & 
> children AS WELL as a gate being provided by the wife & children from one 
> section to the other.
>
> #2 & #3 were situations shortly after the Civil War!  All sort of shennagins 
> come out in Old Chancery Court Records.  They're a hoot & a holler!
>
> When you come across such a situation - and find out the legend or facts 
> behind the "harmony with another" - It can't help to put a smile on your 
> face, and you'll say Why that ole goat!
>
> Granny
> =
>
>
> > Hi Allen,
> >
> > The only term that comes quickly to mind for the situation you outline
> > is "Stallion" ;-)
> > How you'd describe the many women who were taken in by him in a small
> > place is more difficult - or was he the rich man in the area and they
> > were constrained?
> >
> > Returning to the practicalities in Legacy.
> > You probably don't need a term. What report are you planning on using?
> > It's only the Family Group Sheet that uses the this term I think - and
> > I don't think you'll produce 22 plus FGS for your GGG Uncle.
> >
> > The more significant change for book reports. is the phrase you use
> > instead of married.
> >
> > "fathered a child" is probably the most neutral.
> >
> > Cathy
>
> 
> >
> > At 07:29 AM 8/10/2007, you wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you Jim... I never knew about this one... it is hard to find
> >> this information on your website and I find it often cryptic.
> >>
> >> Now my question is (as my GGG Uncle that really got around the town)
> >> has many relationships recorded as children there are descriptors
> >> like "spouse" we could change on that page.
> >>
> >> How can we respectably change it to something other than spouse...
> >> there's the old word concubine... what's the appropriate word to
> >> describe someone who has had a child with someone out of wedlock.
> >>
> >> I know that the legal term for the child is Bastard... is there a
> >> nicer term for that?  I do want to publish  this for my family
> >> eventually and want to use the most polite terms as I can.  My
> >> grandmother who keeps up on modern terms has labled him as a
> >> "man-slut" but I don't think that's what I want to go down in our
> >> history either.
> >>
> >> It seems that the more you shake the family tree the more "skeletons"
> >> fall out.
> >>
> >> Allen
> >>
> >> Jim Terry wrote:
> >>> For help with "non-traditional families," please see the article
> >>> "Adding
> >>> Multiple Parents and Single Parents in Legacy" at
> >>> http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/tipsMultiple-SingleParents.asp. This
> >>> article
> >>> has been available here for two or three years.
> >>> No disrespect intended, but you don't  seem to have all 

Re: [LegacyUG] Please take it off list -- IT'S A LEGITMATE QUERY, FOLKS!

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

I unsubscribed from this list, the most unpleasant one that I have
ever been on, last night; but evidently the process didn't work.  I
have already thanked Stacey privately for the message.

It seems to me that it would be very simple to allow discussions of
how to enter same-sex relationships, adoptions, etc., into Legacy
software and to ban discussions of whether such relationships and
events should be recognized in genealogy or whether they are moral.
If someone veered from discussion of methodology into discussion of
propriety, then the moderators could issue a warning to that person.

Sara

On 10/6/07, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Stacey,
>
> You have expressed it better than anyone else has.  I, too, want ONLY to
> know the best way to handle it.  But I dare never ask.  I went to the
> archives.  However, I find it just as absurd and ridiculous that we cant
> discuss the best way to make an entry of any relationship in our families.
> ALL families have them whether people know or want to know or not.
>
> I am sick and tired of the fact that every time a new person comes onto the
> list and asks how to record it, every one gets up in arms.  They didn't
> state a belief against it or for it.
>
> I have used Legacy for several years and am now comtemplating leaving it.
> I'm not contemplating it based on the topic or the fact that someone asks a
> legitimate question of how to best record a relationship in his or her
> family.  NO.  I am contemplating it based on the fact that the Legacy
> administrators would rather ban a topic of legitimate discussion than to
> tell those that get up in arms not read a topic they don't like.  No one has
> to open a message if they don't like the topic. That is simple enough. As
> you said, how many times does the topic of adoption or foster children, etc
> come up and there is heated debate but, admin sits silent?
>
> I hope the Legacy admin will take a look at this again and take a different
> approach.  Rather than ban a topic because someone doesn't like it, help
> with the discussion and tell those that don't like it that they don't have
> to read it.
>
> What about all the abortions that occur in your families?  How do you record
> them?  Since many believe that life begins at conception, do you record the
> child and the date of their murder and the name of the murderer?
>
> I am still curious about the best way to record my own relationship of 15
> years, but I will go to the archives..again.
>
>
> --
> Paul
>
> "What a glorious world God Almighty has given us. How thankless and
> ungrateful we are, and how we labor to mar His gifts." ~ Gen. Robert E. Lee,
> CSA
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Re: [LegacyUG] Is Anybody There?... same sex relationships

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

So what would you suggest that I call reports and charts that show my
adopted child?  My child was abandoned shortly after birth by persons
unknown.  He is my child through love and law.  What would it say to
him, what would it do to him emotionally if I omit him from my family
in charts and reports?  The law treats him as my descendant.

I am not trying to be argumentative here.  This is a subject that
comes up on this and other lists not infrequently.  It is a serious
subject.  Loving adoptive parents refuse to hurt their children by not
showing them as such.  Some genealogists assert that said adoptive
parents are being deceptive by so showing them on charts.  So, since
it is unlikely that adoptive parents will change their practices, what
should we call our charts?   What about a chart that has 99.9% people
related by blood, and one person who is adopted?  Are you seriously
suggesting that instead of calling a chart "Descendants of John Q.
Ancestor" I call it "Social Relationships of John Q. Ancestor"?  Will
I be deceptive if I call it "Family Relationships of John Q.
Ancestor?"  Of course, those I send such a report to won't know what
in blazes I am talking about.

Sara


On 10/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sara,
>
> Note I said nothing about entering non blood-related people into your
> software, be it spouses, adoptees, or whatever. It is how you treat
> them after they are entered that makes the difference between a
> genealogist and a family historian.
>
> My point is that non blood-related individuals should not be shown as
> ancestors and/or descendants in ancestor/descendat charts or reports as
> doing so makes such reports something other than what they are named.
> If you call it social relationships or whatever is fine.
>
> As to how you describe your research depends on how you treat it.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sara Binkley Tarpley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Sent: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 5:38 pm
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Is Anybody There?... same sex relationships
>
>
>
> Does that mean that if a married couple has no children, the spouse
> should be omitted from charts and reports [unless the spouse is a
> cousin]?
>
> I guess I am proudly not a genealogist then because there is no way
> that I would omit my adopted child from my software [noting
> appropriately that he is adopted].  Unfortunately, to the best of my
> knowledge, there is no software just for family history.  I thought
> that Legacy and other popular software was adaptable for both
> genealogy and family history.
>
> So, if I am not a genealogist, then how do I describe the bulk of my
> research, which does deal with bloodlines [as far as we know them and
> subject to the errors that we are all unaware of]?
>
> Sara
>
> On 10/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > If you believe that non blood-related individuals should be shown in
> > ancestor and/or descendant charts and/or reports then you are not a
> > genealogist-period.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: marilyn E B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> > Sent: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 3:50 pm
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Is Anybody There?... same sex relationships
> >
> >
> >
> > Why can you not do both?
> >
> > Marilyn
> >
> > On 10/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Mike,
> > >
> > > Then I am a fourth group.
> > >
> > > I do NOT believe same-sex relationships are an abomination but DO
> > > believe that they should not be shown in a genealogical
> presentation (
> > > as opposed to a family History presentation).
> > >
> > > There is nothing wrong with doing family history, as long as you
> > > realize that that is what you are doing and not deceiving yourself
> > into
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Re: [LegacyUG] Is Anybody There?... same sex relationships

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

Does that mean that if a married couple has no children, the spouse
should be omitted from charts and reports [unless the spouse is a
cousin]?

I guess I am proudly not a genealogist then because there is no way
that I would omit my adopted child from my software [noting
appropriately that he is adopted].  Unfortunately, to the best of my
knowledge, there is no software just for family history.  I thought
that Legacy and other popular software was adaptable for both
genealogy and family history.

So, if I am not a genealogist, then how do I describe the bulk of my
research, which does deal with bloodlines [as far as we know them and
subject to the errors that we are all unaware of]?

Sara

On 10/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> If you believe that non blood-related individuals should be shown in
> ancestor and/or descendant charts and/or reports then you are not a
> genealogist-period.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: marilyn E B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Sent: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 3:50 pm
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Is Anybody There?... same sex relationships
>
>
>
> Why can you not do both?
>
> Marilyn
>
> On 10/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Mike,
> >
> > Then I am a fourth group.
> >
> > I do NOT believe same-sex relationships are an abomination but DO
> > believe that they should not be shown in a genealogical presentation (
> > as opposed to a family History presentation).
> >
> > There is nothing wrong with doing family history, as long as you
> > realize that that is what you are doing and not deceiving yourself
> into
> > believing you are doing genealogy.
> >
> > The reverse is also true.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Is Anybody There?... same sex relationships

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

Not only why can you not do both, but how would you do family history
without doing genealogy?

Sara

On 10/5/07, marilyn E B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why can you not do both?
>
> Marilyn
>
> On 10/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Mike,
> >
> > Then I am a fourth group.
> >
> > I do NOT believe same-sex relationships are an abomination but DO
> > believe that they should not be shown in a genealogical presentation (
> > as opposed to a family History presentation).
> >
> > There is nothing wrong with doing family history, as long as you
> > realize that that is what you are doing and not deceiving yourself into
> > believing you are doing genealogy.
> >
> > The reverse is also true.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

I want to make clear that I admitted that it was an error as regards
the European countries named, about whose adoption laws I know
nothing.  And I certainly was not considering monarchies or titles.
As far as I know, all US states currently treat adoptees the same as
biological children.

Sara

On 9/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anne,
>
> They may well be treated the same but the statement that said the law
> *requires* ALL adoptees be treated the same was in error-period. Even
> the poster has admitted it was in error.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

I apologize for making an untrue statement.  This is probably the only
list that I am on that is international.  To the best of my knowledge,
all U. S. states treat adopted children the same as biological
children.

Sara

On 9/20/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You'll note that I never used the term "English Law"... however-
>
> There are three specific instances under British law that required
> different treatment of adoptees from biological children.
> 1) No adoptee can ever inherit the crown
> 2) No adoptee can ever inherit a Title or Peerage
> 3) No adoptee can ever inherit the rank of Baronet
>
> Granted these are somewhat archaic but it is the law- thus making the
> posters statement that by law adoptees are always treated the same as
> biological childern an untrue statement.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

I want to make something absolutely clear.  I am not advocating that
adoptions be kept secret.  No person who is knowledgeable about
adoption would advocate that.  What I understand, perhaps wrongly, is
that there are some who want different terminology used for adopted
children or for adopted children to have some kind of very obvious
indicator in trees or on the screen.  It is important for my son to
know that he is adopted.  If I send a family tree to some eighteenth
cousin it is not important for that person to know.  The kind of
decision that Jay is talking about would be a private, family matter;
and certainly those involved should know about an adoption.  My son
will never be able to make a decision based on incorrect data because
he has known that he was adopted since he was a toddler.  If I knew
who my son's birth parents were, I would show them in my database.  I
do not know and will never know who they were; no one does.

All adoptions are not the same either.  Today, when many grandparents
are forced by circumstances to rear their grandchildren, there are
many grandparent-grandchild adoptions.  This is often necessary for
the grandparents to receive various economic benefits.  Would I insist
that the grandchild be shown as a child?  Of course not.

Adoption is a complicated issue.  In the adoption community it is
axiomatic that in most adoptions all three parties, the child, the
birth parents, and the adoptive parents, suffer some kind of loss.
What I am interested in is that in our pursuit of bloodlines,
genealogists not use terminology that inflicts further pain on members
of the adoption triad.

Sara



On 9/19/07, Jay Wilpolt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> But what if it were YOUR son who was using incorrect data to make a possibly
> life changing descision?
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Sara Binkley Tarpley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:29:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
>
> But what if someone 100 years from now saw an outline tree and
> believed that an adopted child was biological?  Would that be the end
> of the world?  Genealogy is a fascinating hobby, attractive for many
> different reasons to some people, of no interest whatsoever to many
> people.  But except for members of the LDS Church and those with
> medical concerns [which can be handled privately within the family],
> what earth-shattering benefit does our research provide?  I suspect
> that every one of us has errors within our research, not necessarily
> errors of our making, but errors caused by illegitimacy, adultery,
> hidden extra-legal adoptions, etc.
>
> If someone 100 years from now sees my adopted child shown as my son
> and doesn't know he was adopted, that person will know that we had the
> relationship of mother and child with all that implies.  That is all
> that is important to me; and if that makes me a bad genealogist, I
> plead guilty.
>
> Sara
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

I am somewhat reluctant to post on this again as I fear it may be
getting off topic.  Let me begin by saying if the law thinks that the
terms "mother," "father," "parent," "son," "daughter," and "child" are
adequate to cover adoptive relationships, why is there a problem using
them in genealogy for such relationships?  When a child is adopted,
the law makes absolutely no, let me repeat , no difference between
that child and a biological child, even to the point of issuing a new
birth certificate.

Why is this a sensitive subject?  Maybe some day it won't be.
However, those of us with firsthand involvement in adoption spend a
good deal of our time combating the misunderstanding of others.
There are questions such as "Do you know who his real mother is?"  Uh,
yes, that would be me.  "Do you have any children of your own?"  Yes,
several, including this one.  We try to educate those people,
sometimes including grandparents, who refer to the child as "their
adopted child."  Why do we do this?  Because, at the risk of sounding
repetitious, these are our children, who happened to come to us in a
different way. In families like mine, where we also have five
biological children, it is particularly important that the adopted
child not feel any more different than he already does.  [I ask you to
consider the implication of having a different skin color and
ethnicity and of looking into the mirror and wondering who your
biological parents were, knowing that there is no way you will ever
discover that?  That's enough for any young person to deal with.]

In our case the fact that one of our two youngest children is adopted
is very clear as they are about five weeks apart in age.  Since I have
set our son's status as adopted and shown his birth name as an AKA, I
don't think I am misleading anyone.  As several have stated, Legacy is
able to handle both pure bloodline genealogy and family history.

But what if someone 100 years from now saw an outline tree and
believed that an adopted child was biological?  Would that be the end
of the world?  Genealogy is a fascinating hobby, attractive for many
different reasons to some people, of no interest whatsoever to many
people.  But except for members of the LDS Church and those with
medical concerns [which can be handled privately within the family],
what earth-shattering benefit does our research provide?  I suspect
that every one of us has errors within our research, not necessarily
errors of our making, but errors caused by illegitimacy, adultery,
hidden extra-legal adoptions, etc.

If someone 100 years from now sees my adopted child shown as my son
and doesn't know he was adopted, that person will know that we had the
relationship of mother and child with all that implies.  That is all
that is important to me; and if that makes me a bad genealogist, I
plead guilty.

Sara

On 9/19/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My point is *why* is it a sensitive subject at all...unless one has
> been taught that it is something to be "sensitive" about?
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

There are terms for nonbiological relationships:  mother, father,
grandmother, grandfather.  Where there is a need, these can be
modified with the terms "biological" and "adoptive."  If my son's
relationship to my husband and me  is shown in Legacy as "adopted," it
would not take much to figure out that his children would be my
adoptive grandchidlren.  However, I am not going to refer to them or
label them as such.

The terms we use for parents are not just genealogical terms.  They
are family terms, social terms, legal terms.  In the family, in
society, and in law, an adopted child is simply a child.

I love genealogical research.  I love to do it as correctly as I can.
However, I love my son a whole lot more, and I am never going to do
anything for the sake of "correctness" that would hurt him.

Sara

On 9/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is no way that the couple should be regarded as grandparents of
> the offspring of the adopted child-period. They should be regarded as
> the adoptive grandparents.
>
> I've said it once and I'll say it again...
> family historians need to get their own terms for non-biological
> relationships and stop usurping strict genealogical terms for use in
> describing non-biological relationships. Then, and only then, will the
> confusion cease.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 5:11 pm
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
>
>
>
> Whilst strictly genealogically speaking that is accurate, I am sure
> that the
> adoptive parents would be delighted to know that future children of the
> adopted
> child would not be regarded as their grandchild even though it has
> their name.
>
> Ron Ferguson
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> > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
> > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:30:16 -0400
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Actually, the wording needs to be changed to "This couple had no
> > descendants". Then a note added about the adopted child would suffice.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sara Binkley Tarpley
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> > Sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 3:35 pm
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother
> >
> >
> >
> > Ahh, but this couple did have a child. They just didn't have any
> > biological children. How do you think the adopted child would feel to
> > see that his parents had no children? Furthermore, legally it would
> > be incorrect to say that the couple had no children.
> >
> > I show that our adopted child is adopted in the child status, but I
> > would be very upset if there were an "A" next to his name in the list
> > of our children.
> >
> > Sara
> >
> >
> > On 9/18/07, Pat Hickin  wrote:
> >> I'm late getting involved in this discussion -- sorry!! -- got
> behind.
> >>
> >> This discussion makes me wonder about the following situation:
> >> A married couple named Smith had no children. And so in the marriage
> > info
> >> screen you click that button.
> >>
> >> That shows they have no (known, acknowledged) )bloodline descendants.
> >>
> >> When they are in their sixties they adopt a son (unrelated).
> >>
> >> So in the Legacy family view children list it says, "**[This couple]
> > Had no
> >> children.**"
> >>
> >> Then you add the adopted son.
> >>
> >> Withouy even asking, Legacy drops the "**[This couple] Had no
> > children.**"
> >> entry and puts in the adopted son info.
> >>
> >> Why can't both appear in the children list:
> >> the "**Had no children.**" AND
> >> ''John Doe SMITH" (with his status marked as Adopted-- and maybe an
> > "A"
> >> appearing in in the blank space to the left of his name in the
> > children's
> >> list) ???
> >>
> >> Pat
>
> ___

Re: [LegacyUG] Adopted Daughter unmarried mother

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

Ahh, but this couple did have a child.  They just didn't have any
biological children.  How do you think the adopted child would feel to
see that his parents had no children?  Furthermore, legally it would
be incorrect to say that the couple had no children.

I show that our adopted child is adopted in the child status, but I
would be very upset if there were an "A" next to his name in the list
of our children.

Sara


On 9/18/07, Pat Hickin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm late getting involved in this discussion -- sorry!! -- got behind.
>
> This discussion makes me wonder about the following situation:
> A married couple named Smith had no children.  And so in the marriage info
> screen you click that button.
>
> That shows they have no (known, acknowledged) )bloodline descendants.
>
> When they are in their sixties they adopt a son (unrelated).
>
> So in the Legacy family view children list it says, "**[This couple] Had no
> children.**"
>
> Then you add the adopted son.
>
> Withouy even asking, Legacy drops the "**[This couple] Had no children.**"
> entry and puts in the adopted son info.
>
> Why can't both appear in the children list:
> the "**Had no children.**"  AND
> ''John Doe SMITH" (with his status marked as Adopted-- and maybe an "A"
> appearing in  in the blank space to the left of his name in the children's
> list) ???
>
> Pat
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] How to enter details of adopted children

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

I am the adoptive mother of a child born in Guatemala to parents who
were unknown to anyone, including the Guatemalan courts.   My child's
birth name was given to him by the court system and is not his legal
name now.  Why would I use it at all although I see no harm in putting
it in an AKA or in notes?  When we adopted our son, the Guatemalan
adoption decree changed his name to his Spanish given names with my
surname and my husband's surname shown as his last name in the
Hispanic fashion.  That became his legal name.  However, he used the
given names we gave him plus just our surname until this began to
cause problems with working, getting a driver's license, etc.  At that
time we did a legal name change.

However, our son's situation is atypical.  In domestic adoptions a new
birth certificate is issued, showing the name given to the child by
his adoptive parents and showing them as the parents.  Legally the
original name is irrelevant.

I know that genealogists focused on blood lines find this hard to
understand.  Actually it is possible to change a child's birth date as
well.  This is sometimes done with internationally adopted children
who are delayed developmentally because of early deprivation.  Just as
the name can be changed, so can the birth date.  In addition, there
are internationally adopted children whose exact ages are not known
and for whom a date of birth must be assigned.

I think that there are many in the adoption community who would be
offended by the birth name being shown as the primary or "real" name.
Practically and legally, it is the adoptive name that counts.

Sara

On 9/14/07, ronald ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dermot,
>
> It rather depends on what the person (if alive) would wish. Generally I
> would use the birth name as the proper name and the adopted (or step) name
> as the AKA. Years ago, of course, UK adoption in the legal sense was not
> common and one would see "adopted" kids using their birth name when on their
> marriage papers.
>
> I would have no problems doing it the other way round (and do) and in both
> cases I make notes to say what the position actually is.
>
> Ron Ferguson
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
> >From: "Dermot McGlone" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
> >Subject: [LegacyUG] How to enter details of adopted children
> >Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:07:04 +0100
> >
> >Following a few e-mails regarding how (in Legacy) to deal with adopted
> >children and those with more than one set of parents, I've had a look
> >at a few in my records.  I've got one person who was "given up" for
> >adoption at birth.  He is listed on ym database under his adopted
> >name, with the name his birth mother gave him (his first name and her
> >surname) listed as an AKA. This person is still alive as is his birth
> >mother, they have made contact about 7 years ago, but she, and the
> >rest of her family (which includes me!), now call him by his adopted
> >name rather than the name given to him at birth.
> >
> >I'm just wondering how others on this list would deal with a situation
> >like this, i.e., which name you would list as the "correct" name and
> >which as an AKA, and the reasons why you would do this.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
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Re: Legacy: Family History or Genealogy? - was Re: [LegacyUG] Homosexual Entries

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

What kind of record do you think you could find, going back to 1800,
indicating the sexual preferences of your ancestors?

If you are going to exclude homosexual couples because they don't have
children, you need to exclude childless couples.

I presume this list is moderated?   It is inexcusable for this to be
permitted on a genealogy list.

Sara Binkley Tarpley
Christian, heterosexual wife and mother of 6

On 9/7/07, Darlene & Don Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   I use Legacy because I want to trace my blood line
> back as far as I can.  I could care less about family
> history or some odd relationship between two people of
> the same sex.  So far, I have not found one homosexual
> relationship in my family going back to 1800.  Maybe
> this is because my family is made up of Christians,
> and we honor our Lord.   If I did ever find someone,
> who is homosexual, in my family, their partner or
> friend would not be included in with my genealogy.
> They cannot create children and therefore are
> irrelevant.  I think all the homosexuals should get
> together and create their own program.  If Legacy
> turns out to favor special interest groups, such as
> gays, I will go elsewhere to continue with my
> genealogy.  I don't want anyone answering my e-mail
> because this is MY opinion and there doesn't need to
> be any discussion.
>
> Regards,
> Darlene
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> --- Bill Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Leaving aside the discussions on the morality of
> > homosexuality, which are
> > immaterial to how such relationships (which exist)
> > should be recorded, there is
> > a more fundamental point raised.
> >
> > Should Legacy be developed along the lines of a
> > Family History (FH) program or a
> > Genealogical (Gen) program?
> >
> > My gut feel is that the 'FH' route will be much more
> > complex with the associated
> > development and maintenance costs and greater
> > learning curve - and a higher
> > price tag!
> >
> > There are many 'Gen' fixes and enhancements which we
> > have already requested and
> > which could fall by the wayside if the 'FH' side is
> > developed.
> >
> > It might be a good idea to let Geoff get a feel for
> > the direction that the
> > majority of his user community would like to see
> > developed (even if it doesn't
> > follow my line of reasoning!)
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Re: [LegacyUG] OT - enhanced viewer on Ancestry

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

I also use the advanced viewer with Firefox and XP [but not Pro].

Sara

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> I'm using Firefox (1.5.0.5) and XP Pro (ver. 2002 w/SP2 and all SP2 updates) 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Favorite Legacy Tip

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

Heather,

I certainly understand the nuances, but I have to admit that in eleven
years of genealogical research, I have never seen anyone use "cal."
Good idea though.  Am I just exchanging data with the wrong people?

Sara



On 8/20/07, Heather Stovold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> no, to me they are all different.
>
> cal - means I was given an age and a time  so he was 34 in 1834, so his
> birth is: cal 1800
>
> abt - means that someone gave me an about time, like in an interview so
> I ask someone when their parent was born and they say oh, it was about 1910,
> then I put abt 1910.   I also use abt when I'm given a database with abt
> used in it.(ok, I don't differentiate between ca and abt)
>
> est - means that I guessed the date based on the dates of other events, or
> dates of the events of relatives.  (The whole, children are born about 2
> years apart, women are about 21 when they marry, men are about 25.)  So
> basically, I don't have any basis for the date except my guess based on the
> norms of society (which vary...)
>
> each of these are entirely different to me.   I admit that many people
> wouldn't understand the nuances, but to me, they are huge.
>
>
> On 8/20/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Myrna...
> > But... isn't "est." the same as writing "abt./about", "ca./circa"??? My
> preference is "abt."
> > Happy hunting...
> > Pami
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Re: [LegacyUG] Favorite Legacy Tip

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

I'm not Myrna, and I don't use estimated dates; but I see them as
different from "about" or "circa."  For example, I use "about" when I
read in the 1850 census that John Jones was 25.  I enter his birth
date as "about 1825," knowing full well that in ten years he may
report his age as 33  and that his tombstone may show his birth year
as 1828.  [I enter the various other dates as Alt. Birth.]  If I were
to use an estimated date of birth, it might be in a case where I have
only a marriage date of 1840 and no other records.  If I used
estimates, I might estimate his date of birth as " est. 1819-1824."
[I am sure many of you are better at making estimates than I am.]

I also use "about" when a couple reports in the later censuses how
many years they have been married.  I know that if I eventually find a
marriage record, it may vary from what they reported.  I also know
that in another census they might show a different length of marriage.

Sara Binkley Tarpley

On 8/20/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Myrna...
> But... isn't "est." the same as writing "abt./about", "ca./circa"??? My
> preference is "abt."
> Happy hunting...
> Pami
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] OT but pertinent IMHO

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

Well, Cathy has said something that I have wanted to say for some
time.  I have been on a number of genealogy lists for about ten years,
and this list has more harshness and rudeness than any list I have
ever been on.  I am surprised that it is tolerated.

Sara

.
>
>
> Cathy Champion wrote:
>
> > To the group:
> >
> > I am new to this group and am wondering why so many people on this
> > list are so cranky.
> >
> > It makes me hesitate to ask questions for fear of getting a rude reply.
> >
> > For instance, I was interested in the posts about trimming emails and
> > the difference about top and bottom posting.  I'm on a couple of lists
> > that pitch a fit if you don't trim them, and sometimes I forget and
> > they yell at me (sniff, sniff).  Using the two dashes in my signature
> > line will remedy this breach of email etiquette for me very nicely.
> >
> > I think, perhaps, part of the problem is that people either don't read
> > the post carefully, or it's written so poorly (one long sentence, no
> > punctuation and typos that make NO sense) that the question is
> > misunderstood.  I think we need to take a chill pill and SLOW DOWN.
> > My father's favorite phrase comes to mind here:  "Don't get your
> > underwear in a bundle."
> >
> > I usually lurk, but am trying to decide if Legacy is the program I
> > really want, so I will probably be asking a lot of DUMB questions.
> > If this irritates you, please hit the delete key instead of being mean
> > and I will appreciate it immensely.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cathy Champion in Fenton, MO (St. Louis)
> > You can easily judge the character of others by how they treat those
> > who they think can do nothing for them. ~  Malcolm Forbes
> > My blog:  http://spittingnickels.blogspot.com/
> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing Question...

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

I have been meticulous about sourcing everything in my database, which
I began in 1996 and which has thousands of names.  However, I feel
certain that many of you might take issue with my form. If you are
going to adopt Mills' methods or make any other changes to your
sourcing practices in a large database, how do you plan to do that
with a large database?

Sara


> >
> > Everyone likes to say that it's more of an art, but when it gets down
> > to it, many people on that list will step in and (kindly) say that
> > there's a better or more correct way than the one I'm currently using.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Examples of sourcing a Message Board & Rootsweb family tree

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

I am in the process of removing e-mail addresses from my sources for
my Web site and Rootsweb database.  I show the names of people who
e-mail me as the source and put their e-mail addresses in publication
facts.  I have tested putting the e-mail address in double brackets,
and it appears to me that the double brackets remove the address from
Gedcoms and reports.

Sara Binkley Tarpley

On 8/9/07, Jackie King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You may have to change yours often. I have three email addresses I use
> for various things. One of those I've had for 12 years. Another for
> almost 8. The third I have had for a bit more than a year and the only
> reason I have it instead of another is because of people who have
> indiscriminately shared email addresses on gedcoms and webpages.
>
> Jackie
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Re: [LegacyUG] Source citation - SSDI

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

I am sure that some of my sources are not sourced correctly.  In the
case of the Ancestry census images, I am certain that they are not
because I have cited them the same way I have cited the censuses I
have viewed on microfilm at my state archives.  Frankly, in the case
of censuses, I don't think it makes a huge amount of difference.  With
several thousand names in my database, I personally don't think it
would be worth my while to go back and change these citations.

Understand that I think that citing sources is very important.
Frankly, if you are regularly citing your sources in any format, you
are doing better than many, if not most, of the people I have
encountered.  [Certainly better than most of the people with Rootsweb
databases.]

In the case of online sources, I do note their location.  I am afraid
that I am remiss about noting the date that they were accessed.  In
50 years I doubt that most of the online records will be where they
are today.  A researcher checking our work will either have to find
them online somewhere else, find them in an offline source, or . . .
Who knows?  Who would have dreamed of today's Internet a few decades
ago?

Sara Binkley Tarpley

On 8/4/07, Dawn Crowley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Debbie, please don't disengage because of one person's comments.
>
> In general, we need to remember that there are many reasons each of us
> opts to do genealogy and to use Legacy or any other software.  What
> suits one person need not suit all.  Sharing how we choose to handle
> different situations helps me see more options as well as various
> viewpoints.  Sometimes our own opinions come across rather strongly in
> this medium.  It is rarely a personal attack, but rather is typically a
> hard lesson learned where research had to be repeated.
>
> Dawn
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Re: [LegacyUG] Web Page Creation- and associated problems

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

I have researched my maiden name intensively for ten years, and I find
data that came from me all over the Internet.  Some people give me
credit; some don't.  It is not only courteous but good research
practice to cite every source, even other researchers; but it is not a
legal requirement.  Facts cannot be copyrighted, and the courts have
ruled that a collection of facts cannot be copyrighted either unless
there is something uniquely creative about their arrangement.  I still
am happy to share because it has put me in touch with many cousins,
some of whom have given me valuable assistance.  Plus I just like to
help others.

I also include some brief biographies I have written on my Web site,
and those are copyrighted.  On the few occasions that I have found
them on other people's sites I have asked that they be removed.

Sara Binkley Tarpley
www.binkleytarpley.com

On 7/17/07, Jenny M Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Valeris Garton wrote
>I have been hesitant in putting any more info on the web as:
>
>1. I gave some info out once which was added to his web site with
>my name as the supplier of the information BUT he got it all wrong and
>numerous requests that he fix the information have been ignored.
>
>2. I have also had a relative, a young person, take my info off the
>web and supply it as his own with no reference to myself. I know that
>it was my info as there were references that could have only come from
>myself.
>
>3. I have also found that info that I have given to someone in an
>e-mail has been taken by another person and used as their own.
>
>Any comments or suggestions please ?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources in Family Tree

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

If you are fortunate enough to get a source record from the IGI, you
can click on the Batch No. link, which will take you to search page
that will search that source for you.

Sara Binkley Tarpley

On 7/10/07, Heather Stovold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


.

The IGI part of it is either stuff submitted by people, or basically an index of some 
original source records.  You can find out which it was for any particular person by 
looking at the information of their "source".   If it was submitted by a 
person, than once again, accuracy will vary widely.  If it was from a source record, than 
it is probably pretty good - keeping in mind that it would be like a transcribed index, 
so there will still be errors.  If you find one from a source record, then shout for joy, 
as you can get all the information about the source, and it is almost guaranteed to be 
microfilmed, so available to order at a Family History Library for a nominal fee - which 
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Re: [LegacyUG] ? Living Relatives

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

Paul,

No, I am not an expert, but I know this:  being able to sue someone
tells very little about the law.  Anyone can sue anyone for almost
anything if they can find a half-way plausible reason and a lawyer
willing to take the case.  You can even represent yourself.  Many
frivolous lawsuits are filed every year and dismissed by the courts.
You have also qualified your original statement by saying that you can
be sued if you publish a "tell all" book using the names of the
living.  A discussion of what that means [derogatory remarks about the
living person? true or untrue?] is beyond the scope of this list, and
I apologize for being so far afield even with these remarks.  But I am
still unaware of any law against simply mentioning a living person
without his permission in a published work that violates the law.

Sara

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To the woman married to the lawyer.in the United States, if you publish
a "tell all" book using the names of the living without permission, YES you
can be sued.  Ask your attorney husband or talk to a reputable publishing
house.  I have dealt with publishers.  Being married to an attorney doesn't
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Re: [LegacyUG] ? Living Relatives

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

On 7/8/07, Paul Abell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Phil,

Face facts.  It just isn't done!  It is a matter of common decency and
respect of those alive.  You cannot publish a book without written
permission from the people named in the book if alive.  It is common
courtesy and a matter legality.  You could be held potentially liable for
any misdeeds.



This may be off-topic; but since the issue has been raised, what law
is that?  I consider myself a fairly knowledgeable person and am even
married to a lawyer, and I am not aware of such a law.

For the record, I remove all living people, or those who could be
living, from my data before posting it on the Internet.

Sara


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[LegacyUG] Removing Surety Level from Gedcom

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

Is there any way to remove the surety level for sources from Gedcoms?
I have done it manually by editing the Gedcom, but is there any
setting in Legacy that will remove it?  Although I am sure it is a
very useful feature for some users, it is less useful for those of us
who had extensive databases and accompanying sources when we started
using Legacy.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Not sure what to do. Can U help

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

On 6/22/07, André Reitan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

På Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:39:20 +0200, skrev Ruth Nerud
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> These are all good suggestions, but for me they mean a lot of dates,
> many of them incorrect, and wouldn't sourcing my cousin for an incorrect
> date point out how poorly she did her research?
>


In my experience there are often many conflicting birth dates and
sometimes no real way to know the correct one.  Just because your
cousin has a date that conflicts with other dates doesn't mean that
she did her research poorly.

Sara Binkley Tarpley


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Re: [LegacyUG] Entering events

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

I believe the basic philosophy at Legacy is that the program is
flexible enough that there is no "wrong."  I came to Legacy after
using Family Tree Maker for many years.  My file was too large for me
to re-do it using all of the Legacy features.

I share my data with many other researchers, not all of whom may have
access to census records.  I have always transcribed census records
into the notes area.  Again, this began when I was using FTM.  Like
another poster, I have not figured out the source feature in the notes
area, but that has not been a problem for me as I always show my
sources as part of the text in the notes area.

I believe that what I put in notes is what Legacy is designed to have
in "Research."  But again, I did not want to redo a huge file.  I have
found the research area useful for recording data-filled e-mails that
I receive from others.  I can then exclude the research area from
reports that I send to others so that I am not distributing other
people's correspondence with me, which technically is copyrighted.

Sara Binkley Tarpley

On 3/21/07, Winfrey Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'm not picking on Carolyn, just trying to understand why anybody
wants to include the contents of a census page in their Legacy file.
I keep a copy of the original census page and do a spreadsheet as
Carolyn does but I don't copy the contents of either into Legacy.  My
logic is that if I include enough information in the citation, I or
somebody else looking at my data can go find the source data.  Am I
doing it wrong?

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Re: [LegacyUG] newbie.. gedcom download help

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

One thing to remember about World Connect at Rootsweb is that the database
owner can set the number of generations that can be downloaded.

Sara Binkley Tarpley

On 3/14/07, Cathy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi Missy,

When you find a relevant family in Rootsweb World Connect (and I
think that's what you mean), you have two alternatives.

1) you can download the whole gedcom which includes the family you
are interested in. Depending on the tree, you may end up with
thousands of people of no interest to you at all.
so
2) you can go to the oldest person in the tree you are interested in
or the youngest and fill in the dialogue boxes

Starting with   
Name
Bornin
Diedin
Produce a GEDCOM file from 
Number of Generations 
End of line character 

If you go to the oldest person, you'll only get their branch. It
could easily be only 21 people. Remember, they may only have part of
the tree that is relevant to you. They may only have entered the
children of interest to them, rather than the whole family.

If you go to the youngest person, and select ancestors, you will get
more branches, if that person has followed each of the parents and
grandparents lines.

It's really up to you to make the choice after you've had a look at
what is there.

When you import the gedcom into Legacy, always import into a new
family file and have a good look and edit locations to match your way
of entering locations and check the sources and add a comment or
change the names so that you know these are actually someone else's
sources.
eg I change the Master Source title to read eg: "Joe Bloggs from 1870
Census ..." rather than just "1870 Census ..."

Cathy

At 09:54 AM 15/03/2007, you wrote:

>I am sorry, I should have said it only downloaded 21 individuals
>using gedcom.  Is that the norm?
>I am trying to figure out how you put the tree together if you
>download 21 and then another
>21, You know so they continue in the same branch.. so to speak into
>legacy... hope I am saying this ok..
>  No million needed even at once.
>thank you,
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Re: [LegacyUG] Newbie ? on consumption as cause of death.

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

Consumption is an old term for tuberculosis.  I do not define or restate
causes of death.

Sara Binkley Tarpley

On 2/27/07, Wayne Boian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 I am just getting started in genealogy, so please excuse my lack of
knowledge and understanding.

I am doing research on the Boian family and found that one of my ancestors
died from "consumption". That term as a cause of death, is meaningless to
me. Probably because I am just getting started, that is a given. But what
about future readers of the information collected and printed out.

My question for the group is really two parts.
What is "consumption" as a cause of death?

and

As a matter of procedure when entering notes or data into the various
fields in the program, should words like "consumption" (as used above) be
defined or translated into today's common  language usage or should we enter
the information "as is" in the original documents.

There is always two sides to every coin, but was wondering what is the
more accepted practice (as is Vs re-define) when entering data or notes.

Thanks for your time
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Re: [LegacyUG] GEDCOMs for Ancestry

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Can you export Gedcoms to Rootsweb?  I do that all the time, using Firefox
and Legacy.  Aren't they the same family trees as those on Ancestry?

Sara Binkley Tarpley

On 2/20/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi Roxanne,
Thanks for your response. Unless it would be an ISP problem
(don't forget we live in Mexico and out here we have to use
Prodigy through the phone company) I have no idea what the
problem would be if not Firefox.
My computer is kept updated, I have plenty of hard drive
space and plenty of memory (1G). I am running the latest version
of Legacy and always run the maintenance at least once a week.
This problem occurred again yesterday when I was trying to
send a gedcom created for PAF 3.0.  The person could not receive
it correctly and I finally had to create and send a PDF file to
him.
So, anyone else have any ideas what the problem could be?
I have created all types of gedcoms and imported them back into
new families and that works.
Sherry, do you have any thoughts on this?
Thanks,
Myrna
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy on shared drive

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

I received a laptop for Christmas, installed Legacy on it, and networked it
with my desktop.  I encountered a problem with errors that would shut Legacy
down.  I think that they were probably related to my wireless network; so, I
have resorted to using a flash drive.  If your wireless network is better
than mine, what you described should work.

Sara Binkley Tarpley

On 2/14/07, Sherry/Support <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Legacy must be installed on all computers that you plan to work on the
file
with.  And only one person can be editing the Family File at a time.  You
shouldn't have any problem with what you described.

Do make sure you do regular backups!  Go to
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Tips.asp, where you'll find an article
under
"Backing Up and Restoring Family Files".

Thanks for using Legacy.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mffowler
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 4:51 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy on shared drive

Hello to all,

I joined this user group in November but this is the first time I have
posted.  I have learned much from all of the questions and responses.  Now
I
need some advice from the many who have more expertise than I.

Due to a disability I have a PC but use my laptop more frequently.  But
alas!  Last week my laptop hard drive gave up the ghost, died, and I lost
everything I had not saved to, yes, floppies.  My CD burner also was not
working.  Not to despair, however.  Although I lost all of my Legacy data,
it is still on paper.  Both my mother and I had been doing genealogy
research since the pen and paper days.  For the most part I had just been
entering data from the paper records and doing some online research to
verify.  And I had printed most of the data I had found on line of
significance.

So, before I reinstall Legacy and begin again, I would like to know if any
of you have installed Legacy on a shared drive and how it worked for you.
In other words, I would install it on both my PC and my laptop, when I get
it back, in a shared situation so that what I enter on one computer would
be
available on the other without carrying CDs or flash drives from one to
the
other.  By the way, I have as secure in-home wireless network for my
communication.  This would be especially helpful since my scanner is
connected only to my PC but I can't spend much time at my PC on each
occasion.

Your opinions and words of wisdom are greatly appreciated.

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Re: [LegacyUG] acid-free ink

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

So what would be the group's suggestion if your database is a thousand or
more pages and constantly changing?  Printing it out frequently could get
pretty time consuming and expensive.  Do any of you print on a schedule,
such as annually?

Sara Binkley Tarpley

On 2/8/07, malkajef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


From: "Jenny M Benson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] acid-free ink


> malkajef wrote
>>
>>Unfortunately the technology to read CDs (or other computer media) may
not
>>be commonly available 10-15 years from now (remember the 5 inch and 3.5
>>inch diskettes, beta max and soon even VHS tapes). So it is only good
for
>>temporary storage and I use it for that purpose including photo and
>>document archives.
>
> But the technologies do overlap each other!  When 3.5" diskettes started
> becoming the norm, we all transferred our data from our 5" floppies.
Then
> CDs came in and we transferred again.  No doubt we will all upgrade to
> something else before long.
> --
> Jenny M Benson

But the problem is we are leaving data for our descendents (not ourselves)
-
after we are gone and no longer able to constantly transfer the data to
new
technologies. It is thus possible that we pass away leaving our research
and
data on CDs and that nobody might be interested in it till a generation or
two passes.  Then a grandchild becomes interested and is told that
grandfather left all this wealth of data about the family tree and it is
in
those weird shiny disk shaped things that no one knows how to use anymore.
When it is on paper, they will hopefully always be able to read them.

I think paper remains the most usable recording medium for the future.
Books
may also cease to exist but that technology will last longer than today's
digital ones.

Jeff



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Re: [LegacyUG] Child Status of adopted out child

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

"Placed for adoption" sounds better to me.  I am an adoptive mother; the
adoption community does not like "given up" and would probably not like
either "placed for adoption" or "adopted out."  The preferred wording is
very cumbersome, something like "made an adoption plan for the child," and I
don't know of any adjective or noun that would encompass that.

Sara Binkley Tarpley

On 1/30/07, Etta Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


For me the terms "adopted" and "adopted out" are totally different.  In a
family file, a child adopted means one outside blood line.  A child
legally
adopted by family member, ie Grandparents, aunts or uncles, cousins, etc
should have a better defination than I've come up with.
Family Member Adoption?

There's been many cases of grandparents adopting their son's or daughter's
children due to death of both parents or just sheer abandonment.

"Adopted out" means I've released my child to Adoptive agencies for
adoption
by another family.

Does anyone have a better term than "Adopted Out"?

Etta Cooper









>From: "Jan Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>To: 
>Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Child Status of adopted out child
>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 21:10:10 +1100
>
>Not sure if there is a 'legal' term - but I imagine you could use
'adopted
>out' as the child status in the biological family of the child.
>
>Cheers,
>Jan
>
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>Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2007 7:40:AM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Child Status of adopted out child
>
>Is there a difference between "adopted" and "adopted out"?  (I've
>never heard the term "adopted out").
>Thanks,
>Mary Young
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] .PDF versus .JPG

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

Thanks, Len and Dale.

Sara

On 1/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Sara:

You are not doing anything wrong.

As I said:
"As to using PDFs as web pages, the display will be somewhat slower then a
jpeg."

In order to display a PDF file you browser has to first startup Acrobat
Reader add-in in your browser(Internet Explorer) and then download the file.

I didn't realize that you were referring to the use of PDFs on the web. My
reply was meant to be more general in the use of PDFs. Sending a copy of a
Legacy report to a friend as a PDF is a better use.

I hope that this clears up my thoughts a little.

Dale




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From: "Sara Binkley Tarpley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Dale,

I wouldn't dream of arguing with an expert, but in my experience Web pages
that are in PDF format usually load more slowly than those in HTML.  There
must be something that I don't know, but all I know to do is to click on a
link as I do with any Web page or enter the URL.  I do a lot of Googling in
my research and often avoid a site if PDF is my only option, depending upon
how interesting it looks to me.

What am I doing wrong?

Sara

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Re: [LegacyUG] .PDF versus .JPG

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

Dale,

I wouldn't dream of arguing with an expert, but in my experience Web pages
that are in PDF format usually load more slowly than those in HTML.  There
must be something that I don't know, but all I know to do is to click on a
link as I do with any Web page or enter the URL.  I do a lot of Googling in
my research and often avoid a site if PDF is my only option, depending upon
how interesting it looks to me.

What am I doing wrong?

Sara

On 1/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Sara and Others:

I have been following this discussion with interest, trying to decide
whether I wanted to add my two cents to this discussion.

I am a retired printer and could write a book on using the proper type of
files. But I will try to keep this short.

First let me say that I am a big fan of PDF files. They are very reliable
and are not really slow, when used in the proper way.

As to the application (scanned census page) that started this discussion,
no do not use a PDF(Portable Document File). The key thing here is document
not image. If the file is a scanned file i.e. image or picture then a JPG
or TIF would be the desired format.

A PDF is used to transport a whole page or pages of a document. It is
usually the result of printing a document not scanning it. While it may
contain images(pictures) it is usually mostly text. It should be noted that
most of the printed items that you received in the mail were probably a PDF
file at sometime.

As to using PDFs as web pages, the display will be somewhat slower then a
jpeq, if the PDF was printed and not scanned it will generally be clearer.

The advantage of  making PDF files rather the making HTML files is that
the PDF file is a single file.

I could go on, but that should be enough for now.

Dale
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Personally I dislike pdf files, finding them slow to load and unreliable.

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Re: [LegacyUG] .PDF versus .JPG

[Sara Binkley Tarpley]

Personally I dislike pdf files, finding them slow to load and unreliable.

Sara Binkley Tarpley

On 1/26/07, Olds-Wills-Anderson-Simonson Hodges-Harris-Liikala-Jukkara <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Cathy
Thanks for responding.  I hadn't considered possible advantages of using
.PDFs for webpages (I'm not there yet) if indeed there are any.

Of course converting Forms to a .PDF that can be filled in electronically
by
a recipient and emailed back is certainly a plus.  But even there, once
received the .PDF I believe could be converted to .JPG if you wanted to
use
the Form as a Source attachment.

Gary

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cathy
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 6:18 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] .PDF versus .JPG

PDFs can't be included in Legacy Reports, JPGs can

- though for Census images usually at an unreadable size unless you
organise them so that you can add a Scrapbook to a Book in the
Publishing Centre.

I don't know about including the PDFs in webpages. JPGs are
straightforward - and when clicked can be readable as you can choose
"original size" for the enlarged image - (you'd need to make sure
that attached pics weren't bigger than necessary).

Cathy

At 07:26 AM 27/01/2007, you wrote:

>I attempted to locate this answer using the archives, but alas there were
>just too many .jpg subject titles to wade through.  Forgive me for
repeating
>what must have been asked and answered before.
>
>Would anyone care to share their opinion of the advantage of attaching
files
>as .PDF rather than .JPG?  The example I'll use is a census page.  Why
would
>one rather attach a .PDF of a census page rather than a .JPG of the same
>image?  The same question would apply to other images such as letters,
>documents, etc.
>
>Thanks again for responding to a question likely already answered but
>missed.
>Gary
>Near St Louis MO USA



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