RE: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia
Rich, As it happens I do put the full address in the Location List but I also use the location as it was. This does not change anything I have written. In 1066 William, the Duke of Normandy (France) took the English throne but we did not as a result become part of Normandy, similarly the countries which comprised our empire were never part of the UK, GB, or England, only overseas territories. Even when the Romans invaded and took control of England and Wales, whilst we were part of the Roman Empire our location was not England, Rome. Had it not been for the fact that part of The Virgin Islands' official name is The British Virgin Islands then I would not include British in the location. No different to British Columbia. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:50:08 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Yes, but the addresses may/may not have anything to do with the locations list. I try to get them all set to the 'what it was called then' name, so appreciate the discussions on when names changed. Some people put the addresses in the location list, but I don't. Rich in LA CA --- ronald ferguson wrote: Rich, I am sorry but I am not quite clear as to what you mean by the above places, however, hopefully the following may help. The UK comprises Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Great Britain - England, Scotland and Wales. England, Northen Ireland, Scotland and Wales are countries in their own right and not states as in the USA. When I am abroad, the country I use on the last line of the address is one of those four eg. Manchester, England or Edinburgh, Scotland etc., usually in the language of the country I am in when writing. WRT other lands which we either own(ed) or which come/came under British protection we only address(ed) them by their own names thus: India has always been India and not India, UK, America has always been America (which included what is now the USA and Canada) and not America, UK. Regarding the Virgin Islands, the official names are the US Virgin Islands and the British Virgin Islands (not necessarily in that order :-) )and we use the format name of island, British Virgin Islands - it is not for me to suggest how Americans should write it, but you can guess what I would do (and you would be right). Hope that helps. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:01:39 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Ron, would you include United Kingdom in the above places? I have but want to match what the locals use. It is a contantly changing monster. Rich in LA CA --- ronald ferguson wrote: With respect America only owns 2/3 of the Virgin Islands and Britain owns the rest. We would *never* consider the address of our bit to be GB btw, it is simply The Virgin Islands full stop/period. Nor would we ever add GB to any country which we happen to occupy. Not even Northern Ireland is part of GB - that is not to suggest for one minute that we occupy it. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:02:47 -0800 Okay, pardon my confusion, but how would you address Virgin Islands. I have family from the Virgin Islands and there are two designations for them: Virgin Islands, Danish West Indies Or Virgin Islands, USA The Virgin Islands are territories of the USA. So how are people designating places like Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico... and in past times Philippines. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph (Ragweed) Sent: Friday
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I agree completely. I sometimes play devil's advocate to assist 'our' readers in thoughtfully organizing their DBs, and fixing stuff that was recorded incorrectly. I know I had a bunch of mistakes. Still fixing. Rich in LA CA --- ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich, As it happens I do put the full address in the Location List but I also use the location as it was. This does not change anything I have written. In 1066 William, the Duke of Normandy (France) took the English throne but we did not as a result become part of Normandy, similarly the countries which comprised our empire were never part of the UK, GB, or England, only overseas territories. Even when the Romans invaded and took control of England and Wales, whilst we were part of the Roman Empire our location was not England, Rome. Had it not been for the fact that part of The Virgin Islands' official name is The British Virgin Islands then I would not include British in the location. No different to British Columbia. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:50:08 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Yes, but the addresses may/may not have anything to do with the locations list. I try to get them all set to the 'what it was called then' name, so appreciate the discussions on when names changed. Some people put the addresses in the location list, but I don't. Rich in LA CA --- ronald ferguson wrote: Rich, I am sorry but I am not quite clear as to what you mean by the above places, however, hopefully the following may help. The UK comprises Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Great Britain - England, Scotland and Wales. England, Northen Ireland, Scotland and Wales are countries in their own right and not states as in the USA. When I am abroad, the country I use on the last line of the address is one of those four eg. Manchester, England or Edinburgh, Scotland etc., usually in the language of the country I am in when writing. WRT other lands which we either own(ed) or which come/came under British protection we only address(ed) them by their own names thus: India has always been India and not India, UK, America has always been America (which included what is now the USA and Canada) and not America, UK. Regarding the Virgin Islands, the official names are the US Virgin Islands and the British Virgin Islands (not necessarily in that order :-) )and we use the format name of island, British Virgin Islands - it is not for me to suggest how Americans should write it, but you can guess what I would do (and you would be right). Hope that helps. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:01:39 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Ron, would you include United Kingdom in the above places? I have but want to match what the locals use. It is a contantly changing monster. Rich in LA CA --- ronald ferguson wrote: With respect America only owns 2/3 of the Virgin Islands and Britain owns the rest. We would *never* consider the address of our bit to be GB btw, it is simply The Virgin Islands full stop/period. Nor would we ever add GB to any country which we happen to occupy. Not even Northern Ireland is part of GB - that is not to suggest for one minute that we occupy it. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:02:47 -0800 Okay, pardon my confusion, but how would you address Virgin Islands
Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia
It's a city, but while it's not a state or country, it is a district of the United States just like some of the other territories Like Hawaii and Alaska used to be before they were introduced into statehood. Therefore, if you write a letter there, it would be like this: Samuel Smith 8432 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, D.C. (and the zip) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] How should District of Columbia for Washington, D.C. be sited? City, County, State, USA??? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia
Okay, pardon my confusion, but how would you address Virgin Islands. I have family from the Virgin Islands and there are two designations for them: Virgin Islands, Danish West Indies Or Virgin Islands, USA The Virgin Islands are territories of the USA. So how are people designating places like Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico... and in past times Philippines. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph (Ragweed) Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 5:01 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia We could use USA or United States for any address which is in the 50 states. However, I don't think it's in any way a part of an address of a district. For instance, the Virgin Islands I don't believe they can lay claim to the USA part for their address. Addresses in districts are not like addresses in the States. Washington is a district called Columbia. I lived only 75 miles from there and no one ever attached USA (just a zip) to Washington D.C. From: Heather Stovold Well, I would do something like Washington, , District of Columbia, United States I don't know if there is a county or not. On Jan 24, 2008 6:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How should District of Columbia for Washington, D.C. be sited? City, County, State, USA??? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1241 - Release Date: 1/24/2008 9:58 AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia
Jackie King wrote: * * * Pippinger goes on to say: The District was divided into two counties by an act of February 27, 1801 (2 Stat. 103,105). In her preliminary Inventory of the Records of the Government of the District of Columbia, Dorothy S. Provine describes it simply as that part that had been ceded by Mryland was to be called Washington County and the part that had been ceded by Virginia was to be called Alexandria County. So indeed the district - at least until the mid 1830s or a bit later did have counties. My families have all left by then so I'm not sure when the county designations gave way if ever. This is one of those questions where some historical context is probably needed for your entries. Jackie Absolutely. For present day purposes, there is no county. Alexandria County is the part that was ceded back to Virginia about 1846 and is now Arlington County, Virginia. The original federal city in the District did not take up all the area that had been ceded to the federal government by the State of Maryland, but it does now, and the city of Washington is coextensive with the District of Columbia. There are various sentiments about achieving statehood or, at least, representation in Congress. One of the ideas is to cede the city, or some part of it, back to Maryland and let it resume being part of Montgomery county in the State of Maryland. Fortunately, Washington was not much of a city, population wise, until well into the 20th century, so genealogists will not be finding large numbers of ancestors there when all these changes were happening. Even now, native born Washingtonians are somewhat rare. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia
Yes, but the addresses may/may not have anything to do with the locations list. I try to get them all set to the 'what it was called then' name, so appreciate the discussions on when names changed. Some people put the addresses in the location list, but I don't. Rich in LA CA --- ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich, I am sorry but I am not quite clear as to what you mean by the above places, however, hopefully the following may help. The UK comprises Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Great Britain - England, Scotland and Wales. England, Northen Ireland, Scotland and Wales are countries in their own right and not states as in the USA. When I am abroad, the country I use on the last line of the address is one of those four eg. Manchester, England or Edinburgh, Scotland etc., usually in the language of the country I am in when writing. WRT other lands which we either own(ed) or which come/came under British protection we only address(ed) them by their own names thus: India has always been India and not India, UK, America has always been America (which included what is now the USA and Canada) and not America, UK. Regarding the Virgin Islands, the official names are the US Virgin Islands and the British Virgin Islands (not necessarily in that order :-) )and we use the format name of island, British Virgin Islands - it is not for me to suggest how Americans should write it, but you can guess what I would do (and you would be right). Hope that helps. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:01:39 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Ron, would you include United Kingdom in the above places? I have but want to match what the locals use. It is a contantly changing monster. Rich in LA CA --- ronald ferguson wrote: With respect America only owns 2/3 of the Virgin Islands and Britain owns the rest. We would *never* consider the address of our bit to be GB btw, it is simply The Virgin Islands full stop/period. Nor would we ever add GB to any country which we happen to occupy. Not even Northern Ireland is part of GB - that is not to suggest for one minute that we occupy it. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:02:47 -0800 Okay, pardon my confusion, but how would you address Virgin Islands. I have family from the Virgin Islands and there are two designations for them: Virgin Islands, Danish West Indies Or Virgin Islands, USA The Virgin Islands are territories of the USA. So how are people designating places like Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico... and in past times Philippines. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph (Ragweed) Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 5:01 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia We could use USA or United States for any address which is in the 50 states. However, I don't think it's in any way a part of an address of a district. For instance, the Virgin Islands I don't believe they can lay claim to the USA part for their address. Addresses in districts are not like addresses in the States. Washington is a district called Columbia. I lived only 75 miles from there and no one ever attached USA (just a zip) to Washington D.C. From: Heather Stovold Well, I would do something like Washington, , District of Columbia, United States I don't know if there is a county or not. On Jan 24, 2008 6:22 PM, wrote: How should District of Columbia for Washington, D.C. be sited? City, County, State, USA??? _ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail
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Please see my reply to Rich regarding GB and UK which I hope will clarify the actuality. Re: the British Isles. This term does not, and never has, related to a country. It is a description only which covers all the islands around Geat Britain and the island of Ireland (NB the *whole* of Ireland). Thus it includes The Republic of Ireland and The Isle of Man which are not part of Great Britain or the United Kingdom and similar islands. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:37:08 -0800 I am confused by the use of the GB. I note that neither GB [Great Britain] nor BI [British Isles] is recognized by Legacy. For the countries of the U.K. there are listing in Legacy with and without the attached U.K. For the USA, Legacy does not list territories but only states. However, as someone else noted, Legacy is programmed to modern locations only. This is a bit difficult for changes in countries, boundaries, political affiliations which did not exist at the time of various ancestors. I think it is important to record the location as it was at that time and the political affiliations at that time are important to locating microfilms and verifying the research and therefore a logical manner in which to record the location. Thank you _ Share what Santa brought you https://www.mycooluncool.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia
From the US Postal Service page http://www.usps.com/ncsc/addressstds/vigeninfo.htm Virgin Islands General Information Address Formats Virgin Island addresses follow the rules for Puerto Rican-style addresses, but the Virgin Islands do not use urbanizations or Spanish words. The valid last line for Charlotte Amalie is ST THOMAS and for Cruz Bay is ST JOHN. St. Croix has three main cities that are used as valid last lines: CHRISTIANSTED, FREDERIKSTED, and KINGSHILL. The correct abbreviation for the Virgin Islands is VI. Do not use USVI, VIS, VI USA, or USA VI. Physical Addresses Examples: MR JOHN STEWARD 123 MAIN ST ST THOMAS VI 00802-1222 MR TRAVIS RAMEY 2901 CECELIE GADE ST THOMAS VI 00802-6641 MRS EMILY FOREST 7100 EST BELLEVUE ST THOMAS VI 00802-3010 MR OTIS STERLING 2 MOUNT ROYALE EST CHRISTIANSTED VI 00820-4470 MRS LIZ CARTER 400 VAGLIOWAY WAY FREDERIKSTED VI 00850-2700 MRS JOAN SMITH RR 1 BOX 6601 KINGSHILL VI 00850-9802 Post Office Box Addresses Examples: PO BOX 11419 ST THOMAS VI 00801-4419 PO BOX 131 CHRISTIANSTED VI 00821-0131 PO BOX 3500 FREDERIKSTED VI 00841-3500 Steven C. Perkins --- On Jan 25, 2008 12:50 PM, RICHARD SCHULTHIES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use ', Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, United States'. Don't have either of the Virgin Islands, is it a territory or commonwealth? RIch in LA CA. --- familyjesse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, pardon my confusion, but how would you address Virgin Islands. I have family from the Virgin Islands and there are two designations for them: Virgin Islands, Danish West Indies Or Virgin Islands, USA The Virgin Islands are territories of the USA. So how are people designating places like Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico... and in past times Philippines. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia
Legacy isn't programmed to modern locations. The Geodatabase may be - but it's extremely limited, especially outside of the USA and simply one possible guide as to how to standardardise your location entries. I understand that the US County Verifier is time based. I have so few US locations. British Isles is a geographical designation and has never been a country. Great Britain is, I understand, a political designation and again has never been a country. It's made up of England, Wales and Scotland. Cathy At 06:37 AM 26/01/2008, you wrote: I am confused by the use of the GB. I note that neither GB [Great Britain] nor BI [British Isles] is recognized by Legacy. For the countries of the U.K. there are listing in Legacy with and without the attached U.K. For the USA, Legacy does not list territories but only states. However, as someone else noted, Legacy is programmed to modern locations only. This is a bit difficult for changes in countries, boundaries, political affiliations which did not exist at the time of various ancestors. I think it is important to record the location as it was at that time and the political affiliations at that time are important to locating microfilms and verifying the research and therefore a logical manner in which to record the location. Thank you Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia
familyjesse wrote: Okay, pardon my confusion, but how would you address Virgin Islands. I have family from the Virgin Islands and there are two designations for them: Virgin Islands, Danish West Indies Or Virgin Islands, USA The Virgin Islands are territories of the USA. So how are people designating places like Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico... and in past times Philippines. I believe Virgin Island locations would be entered thus: Hermitage, St. John, Virgin Islands No USA, no Great Britain. -- Gene Y. n2kvs Researching Young, Zies, Harer Cox with Legacy Family Tree http://h1.ripway.com/egptech/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia
I am confused by the use of the GB. I note that neither GB [Great Britain] nor BI [British Isles] is recognized by Legacy. For the countries of the U.K. there are listing in Legacy with and without the attached U.K. For the USA, Legacy does not list territories but only states. However, as someone else noted, Legacy is programmed to modern locations only. This is a bit difficult for changes in countries, boundaries, political affiliations which did not exist at the time of various ancestors. I think it is important to record the location as it was at that time and the political affiliations at that time are important to locating microfilms and verifying the research and therefore a logical manner in which to record the location. Thank you No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 1/25/2008 11:24 AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia
Ron, would you include United Kingdom in the above places? I have but want to match what the locals use. It is a contantly changing monster. Rich in LA CA --- ronald ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With respect America only owns 2/3 of the Virgin Islands and Britain owns the rest. We would *never* consider the address of our bit to be GB btw, it is simply The Virgin Islands full stop/period. Nor would we ever add GB to any country which we happen to occupy. Not even Northern Ireland is part of GB - that is not to suggest for one minute that we occupy it. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:02:47 -0800 Okay, pardon my confusion, but how would you address Virgin Islands. I have family from the Virgin Islands and there are two designations for them: Virgin Islands, Danish West Indies Or Virgin Islands, USA The Virgin Islands are territories of the USA. So how are people designating places like Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico... and in past times Philippines. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph (Ragweed) Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 5:01 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia We could use USA or United States for any address which is in the 50 states. However, I don't think it's in any way a part of an address of a district. For instance, the Virgin Islands I don't believe they can lay claim to the USA part for their address. Addresses in districts are not like addresses in the States. Washington is a district called Columbia. I lived only 75 miles from there and no one ever attached USA (just a zip) to Washington D.C. From: Heather Stovold Well, I would do something like Washington, , District of Columbia, United States I don't know if there is a county or not. On Jan 24, 2008 6:22 PM, wrote: How should District of Columbia for Washington, D.C. be sited? City, County, State, USA??? _ Free games, great prizes - get gaming at Gamesbox. http://www.searchgamesbox.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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List: I've been dealing with a number of early D.C. wills so I dug out Wesley Pippinger's District of Columbia Probate Records book, and here is what it gives for county designations. The various appellations of the geographic area for the Federal City changed from the seat of government of the United States and the county of Washington (2 Stat. 105, Chap. 15, 27 Feb 1801), to the District of Columbia (20 Stat. 102, 11 Jun 1878) and the City of Washington (28 Stat. 650, 11 Feb 1895) Pippinger goes on to say: The District was divided into two counties by an act of February 27, 1801 (2 Stat. 103,105). In her preliminary Inventory of the Records of the Government of the District of Columbia, Dorothy S. Provine describes it simply as that part that had been ceded by Mryland was to be called Washington County and the part that had been ceded by Virginia was to be called Alexandria County. So indeed the district - at least until the mid 1830s or a bit later did have counties. My families have all left by then so I'm not sure when the county designations gave way if ever. This is one of those questions where some historical context is probably needed for your entries. Jackie Joseph (Ragweed) wrote: Good point, and well taken. You are quite correct. Georgetown and Arlington are indeed also in those time factor things. I've been there and the streets and traffic are insane Large circles with 6 or eight streets intersecting... If you don't get the right street the first time you could go around for hours. grin Anyway... good point. Joseph *From:* frankanedc mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Georgetown is interesting because it was a separate city before the District of Columbia was established, so if your entry is prior to 1800 it would be Georgetown, Montgomery Co., Maryland. Not now though. Now, it identifies a part of the city of Washington, like Harlem or Soho in New York, but it is not a politically defined area.The real estate market makes most use of names like Georgetown, Foggy Bottom, Capitol Hill, etc., but they're not good post office addresses.I would put Georgetown, etc. in notes if you want to keep it. Street addresses and zip codes go in address lists, but not in 'Location' on the individual's information page. Other places that give rise to similar problems are Arlington, Virginia, which is all urban county is not a city, and St. Louis or Los Angeles, which are counties as well as cities. And then there's New York City with its five boroughs. . . Joseph (Ragweed) wrote: Well Fran, while we were thinking along the same lines up to now, it looks like we must both reconsider rethinking on the use of maybe spelling out for anyone outside the US (the colonies). I think I would even add in inner D.C. community names. In example: John Smith 1234 Harrington Blvd NW Georgetown, Washington District of Columbia, U.S.A. or this: John Smith 1234 Harrington Blvd NW Washington District of Columbia, U.S.A. or at least this: John Smith 1234 Harrington Blvd NW Washington D.C., U.S.A. This way there's no possible way it could be misconstrued as another place or country. I think the key is in the U.S.A. I mean, when we in the states enter an address for say, Germany, it's more like: Johann Schmidt 1234 Friedrich Strasse Stuttgart, Rhein, Germany or something like that. Bear in mind, this is not an actual address... grin But we should always enter the country in the address, at least I do. Joseph P.S. Gee, I'm really learning things today. GRIN From ronald ferguson To someone from England Washington D.C. could easily be taken as Washington County Durham - and yes there is one! Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:11:42 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com It has no county and it has no state. Just ask anyone who lives there -- no voting representation in Congress although we do have a vote in the presidential elections for the past 35 years or thereabouts. It is a city in a district in the United States. It is unlike all other US locations. I enter it Washington, DC. If you want to spell it out
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I use ', Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, United States'. Don't have either of the Virgin Islands, is it a territory or commonwealth? RIch in LA CA. --- familyjesse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, pardon my confusion, but how would you address Virgin Islands. I have family from the Virgin Islands and there are two designations for them: Virgin Islands, Danish West Indies Or Virgin Islands, USA The Virgin Islands are territories of the USA. So how are people designating places like Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico... and in past times Philippines. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph (Ragweed) Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 5:01 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia We could use USA or United States for any address which is in the 50 states. However, I don't think it's in any way a part of an address of a district. For instance, the Virgin Islands I don't believe they can lay claim to the USA part for their address. Addresses in districts are not like addresses in the States. Washington is a district called Columbia. I lived only 75 miles from there and no one ever attached USA (just a zip) to Washington D.C. From: Heather Stovold Well, I would do something like Washington, , District of Columbia, United States I don't know if there is a county or not. On Jan 24, 2008 6:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How should District of Columbia for Washington, D.C. be sited? City, County, State, USA??? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1241 - Release Date: 1/24/2008 9:58 AM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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I think part of this question would be the time factor. At what time did this individual live, marry, or die there? Whatever nation was in control of that particular place, in this case the Virgin Islands, you use that. I would think it's like our states. At one time Charleston, WV was part of Virginia... and if an ancestor was there during that time, then it should be marked as Virginia, not West Virginia. Joseph _ From familyjesse Okay, pardon my confusion, but how would you address Virgin Islands. I have family from the Virgin Islands and there are two designations for them: Virgin Islands, Danish West Indies Or Virgin Islands, USA The Virgin Islands are territories of the USA. So how are people designating places like Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico... and in past times Philippines. _ Joseph wrote: We could use USA or United States for any address which is in the 50 states. However, I don't think it's in any way a part of an address of a district. For instance, the Virgin Islands I don't believe they can lay claim to the USA part for their address. Addresses in districts are not like addresses in the States. Washington is a district called Columbia. I lived only 75 miles from there and no one ever attached USA (just a zip) to Washington D.C. _ From: Heather Stovold Well, I would do something like Washington, , District of Columbia, United States I don't know if there is a county or not. _ On Jan 24, 2008 6:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How should District of Columbia for Washington, D.C. be sited? City, County, State, USA??? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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I have driven in DC many times, but some people might consider once too many times ;-) And yes, some areas are very much like the traffic circles in the UK - except that some of the UK circles have more lanes. For a Yank who could only manage two hours of wrong-side-of-the-car plus wrong-side-of-the-road driving before taking a break, I didn't do too badly - one driver honked his horn at me in 1100 miles of driving (Gatwick airport - Dover - Cardiff - Edinborough - York - Gatwick, basically skirting the perimeter). After watching me drive for an hour or so, my wife refused to drive. We didn't drive in London - took the train to the countryside and the tube or bus to things too far for walking. At that time (2002) my genealogy research had not identified any ancestors from the UK. I've since found some in my wife's maternal and paternal lines. At least the exchange rate was better then ;-) John Good point, and well taken. You are quite correct. Georgetown and Arlington are indeed also in those time factor things. I've been there and the streets and traffic are insane Large circles with 6 or eight streets intersecting... If you don't get the right street the first time you could go around for hours. grin Anyway... good point. Joseph Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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But Los Angeles City is a part of Los Angeles County. In the other places, IMHO the two places are identical in size/jurisdiction. Rich in LA CA --- frankanedc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Georgetown is interesting because it was a separate city before the District of Columbia was established, so if your entry is prior to 1800 it would be Georgetown, Montgomery Co., Maryland. Not now though. Now, it identifies a part of the city of Washington, like Harlem or Soho in New York, but it is not a politically defined area. The real estate market makes most use of names like Georgetown, Foggy Bottom, Capitol Hill, etc., but they're not good post office addresses.I would put Georgetown, etc. in notes if you want to keep it. Street addresses and zip codes go in address lists, but not in 'Location' on the individual's information page. Other places that give rise to similar problems are Arlington, Virginia, which is all urban county is not a city, and St. Louis or Los Angeles, which are counties as well as cities. And then there's New York City with its five boroughs. . . Joseph (Ragweed) wrote: Well Fran, while we were thinking along the same lines up to now, it looks like we must both reconsider rethinking on the use of maybe spelling out for anyone outside the US (the colonies). I think I would even add in inner D.C. community names. In example: John Smith 1234 Harrington Blvd NW Georgetown, Washington District of Columbia, U.S.A. or this: John Smith 1234 Harrington Blvd NW Washington District of Columbia, U.S.A. or at least this: John Smith 1234 Harrington Blvd NW Washington D.C., U.S.A. This way there's no possible way it could be misconstrued as another place or country. I think the key is in the U.S.A. I mean, when we in the states enter an address for say, Germany, it's more like: Johann Schmidt 1234 Friedrich Strasse Stuttgart, Rhein, Germany or something like that. Bear in mind, this is not an actual address... grin But we should always enter the country in the address, at least I do. Joseph P.S. Gee, I'm really learning things today. GRIN From ronald ferguson To someone from England Washington D.C. could easily be taken as Washington County Durham - and yes there is one! Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:11:42 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com It has no county and it has no state. Just ask anyone who lives there -- no voting representation in Congress although we do have a vote in the presidential elections for the past 35 years or thereabouts. It is a city in a district in the United States. It is unlike all other US locations. I enter it Washington, DC. If you want to spell it out, it is Washington, District of Columbia. I don't put USA in any of my US locations, but if I were outside the United States, I would enter Washington, DC, USA. Adding extra commas won't hurt, I suppose, since you can eliminate them in printing reports. Crockett wrote: I can understand your logic, Joseph, but dont know what a postal worker in Australia would make of a letter addressed like that! If he was reasonably intelligent he would put it in the bag going to the USA, I guess. Jennifer *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Joseph (Ragweed) *Sent:* Saturday, 26 January 2008 12:01 AM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia We could use USA or United States for any address which is in the 50 states. However, I don't think it's in any way a part of an address of a district. For instance, the Virgin Islands I don't believe they can lay claim to the USA part for their address. Addresses in districts are not like addresses in the States. Washington is a district called Columbia. I lived only 75 miles from there and no one ever attached USA (just a zip) to Washington D.C. *From:* Heather Stovold Well, I would do something like Washington, , District of Columbia, United States I don't know if there is a county or not. On Jan 24, 2008 6:22 PM, wrote: How should District of Columbia for Washington, D.C. be sited? City, County, State, USA
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Sorry, if you are referring to The Virgin Islands they are not part of the United Kingdom (no s) and never have been, although Northern Island is part of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northen Ireland - to give it its proper name. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:26:46 + But I might specify UK since it is part of the United Kingdoms of -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ronald ferguson Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 4:29 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia With respect America only owns 2/3 of the Virgin Islands and Britain owns the rest. We would *never* consider the address of our bit to be GB btw, it is simply The Virgin Islands full stop/period. Nor would we ever add GB to any country which we happen to occupy. Not even Northern Ireland is part of GB - that is not to suggest for one minute that we occupy it. Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp _ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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We could use USA or United States for any address which is in the 50 states. However, I don't think it's in any way a part of an address of a district. For instance, the Virgin Islands I don't believe they can lay claim to the USA part for their address. Addresses in districts are not like addresses in the States. Washington is a district called Columbia. I lived only 75 miles from there and no one ever attached USA (just a zip) to Washington D.C. From: Heather Stovold Well, I would do something like Washington, , District of Columbia, United States I don't know if there is a county or not. On Jan 24, 2008 6:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How should District of Columbia for Washington, D.C. be sited? City, County, State, USA??? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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I can understand your logic, Joseph, but don't know what a postal worker in Australia would make of a letter addressed like that! If he was reasonably intelligent he would put it in the bag going to the USA, I guess. Jennifer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph (Ragweed) Sent: Saturday, 26 January 2008 12:01 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia We could use USA or United States for any address which is in the 50 states. However, I don't think it's in any way a part of an address of a district. For instance, the Virgin Islands I don't believe they can lay claim to the USA part for their address. Addresses in districts are not like addresses in the States. Washington is a district called Columbia. I lived only 75 miles from there and no one ever attached USA (just a zip) to Washington D.C. From: Heather Stovold mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I would do something like Washington, , District of Columbia, United States I don't know if there is a county or not. On Jan 24, 2008 6:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How should District of Columbia for Washington, D.C. be sited? City, County, State, USA??? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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But I might specify UK since it is part of the United Kingdoms of -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ronald ferguson Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 4:29 PM To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia With respect America only owns 2/3 of the Virgin Islands and Britain owns the rest. We would *never* consider the address of our bit to be GB btw, it is simply The Virgin Islands full stop/period. Nor would we ever add GB to any country which we happen to occupy. Not even Northern Ireland is part of GB - that is not to suggest for one minute that we occupy it. Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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It has no county and it has no state. Just ask anyone who lives there -- no voting representation in Congress although we do have a vote in the presidential elections for the past 35 years or thereabouts. It is a city in a district in the United States. It is unlike all other US locations. I enter it Washington, DC. If you want to spell it out, it is Washington, District of Columbia. I don't put USA in any of my US locations, but if I were outside the United States, I would enter Washington, DC, USA. Adding extra commas won't hurt, I suppose, since you can eliminate them in printing reports. Crockett wrote: I can understand your logic, Joseph, but don’t know what a postal worker in Australia would make of a letter addressed like that! If he was reasonably intelligent he would put it in the bag going to the USA, I guess. Jennifer *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Joseph (Ragweed) *Sent:* Saturday, 26 January 2008 12:01 AM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia We could use USA or United States for any address which is in the 50 states. However, I don't think it's in any way a part of an address of a district. For instance, the Virgin Islands I don't believe they can lay claim to the USA part for their address. Addresses in districts are not like addresses in the States. Washington is a district called Columbia. I lived only 75 miles from there and no one ever attached USA (just a zip) to Washington D.C. *From:* Heather Stovold mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I would do something like Washington, , District of Columbia, United States I don't know if there is a county or not. On Jan 24, 2008 6:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How should District of Columbia for Washington, D.C. be sited? City, County, State, USA??? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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You are so right. Thank you for letting me see the view of others who are elsewhere in the world. I've been thinking with the aspect of being IN the United States. Of course from outside the US, the USA would be needed just to ensure they get it to the correct hemisphere and country. grin Of course that would be appropriate for any address in and/or among the 50 States, when originating from outside the US. Joseph From: Jennifer Crockett I can understand your logic, Joseph, but don't know what a postal worker in Australia would make of a letter addressed like that! If he was reasonably intelligent he would put it in the bag going to the USA, I guess. Jennifer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph (Ragweed) Sent: Saturday, 26 January 2008 12:01 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia We could use USA or United States for any address which is in the 50 states. However, I don't think it's in any way a part of an address of a district. For instance, the Virgin Islands I don't believe they can lay claim to the USA part for their address. Addresses in districts are not like addresses in the States. Washington is a district called Columbia. I lived only 75 miles from there and no one ever attached USA (just a zip) to Washington D.C. From: Heather Stovold Well, I would do something like Washington, , District of Columbia, United States I don't know if there is a county or not. On Jan 24, 2008 6:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How should District of Columbia for Washington, D.C. be sited? City, County, State, USA??? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Good point, and well taken. You are quite correct. Georgetown and Arlington are indeed also in those time factor things. I've been there and the streets and traffic are insane Large circles with 6 or eight streets intersecting... If you don't get the right street the first time you could go around for hours. grin Anyway... good point. Joseph From: frankanedc Georgetown is interesting because it was a separate city before the District of Columbia was established, so if your entry is prior to 1800 it would be Georgetown, Montgomery Co., Maryland. Not now though. Now, it identifies a part of the city of Washington, like Harlem or Soho in New York, but it is not a politically defined area.The real estate market makes most use of names like Georgetown, Foggy Bottom, Capitol Hill, etc., but they're not good post office addresses.I would put Georgetown, etc. in notes if you want to keep it. Street addresses and zip codes go in address lists, but not in 'Location' on the individual's information page. Other places that give rise to similar problems are Arlington, Virginia, which is all urban county is not a city, and St. Louis or Los Angeles, which are counties as well as cities. And then there's New York City with its five boroughs. . . Joseph (Ragweed) wrote: Well Fran, while we were thinking along the same lines up to now, it looks like we must both reconsider rethinking on the use of maybe spelling out for anyone outside the US (the colonies). I think I would even add in inner D.C. community names. In example: John Smith 1234 Harrington Blvd NW Georgetown, Washington District of Columbia, U.S.A. or this: John Smith 1234 Harrington Blvd NW Washington District of Columbia, U.S.A. or at least this: John Smith 1234 Harrington Blvd NW Washington D.C., U.S.A. This way there's no possible way it could be misconstrued as another place or country. I think the key is in the U.S.A. I mean, when we in the states enter an address for say, Germany, it's more like: Johann Schmidt 1234 Friedrich Strasse Stuttgart, Rhein, Germany or something like that. Bear in mind, this is not an actual address... grin But we should always enter the country in the address, at least I do. Joseph P.S. Gee, I'm really learning things today. GRIN From ronald ferguson To someone from England Washington D.C. could easily be taken as Washington County Durham - and yes there is one! Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:11:42 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com It has no county and it has no state. Just ask anyone who lives there -- no voting representation in Congress although we do have a vote in the presidential elections for the past 35 years or thereabouts. It is a city in a district in the United States. It is unlike all other US locations. I enter it Washington, DC. If you want to spell it out, it is Washington, District of Columbia. I don't put USA in any of my US locations, but if I were outside the United States, I would enter Washington, DC, USA. Adding extra commas won't hurt, I suppose, since you can eliminate them in printing reports. Crockett wrote: I can understand your logic, Joseph, but don’t know what a postal worker in Australia would make of a letter addressed like that! If he was reasonably intelligent he would put it in the bag going to the USA, I guess. Jennifer *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Joseph (Ragweed) *Sent:* Saturday, 26 January 2008 12:01 AM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia We could use USA or United States for any address which is in the 50 states. However, I don't think it's in any way a part of an address of a district. For instance, the Virgin Islands I don't believe they can lay claim to the USA part for their address. Addresses in districts are not like addresses in the States. Washington is a district called Columbia. I lived only 75 miles from
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With respect America only owns 2/3 of the Virgin Islands and Britain owns the rest. We would *never* consider the address of our bit to be GB btw, it is simply The Virgin Islands full stop/period. Nor would we ever add GB to any country which we happen to occupy. Not even Northern Ireland is part of GB - that is not to suggest for one minute that we occupy it. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:02:47 -0800 Okay, pardon my confusion, but how would you address Virgin Islands. I have family from the Virgin Islands and there are two designations for them: Virgin Islands, Danish West Indies Or Virgin Islands, USA The Virgin Islands are territories of the USA. So how are people designating places like Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico... and in past times Philippines. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph (Ragweed) Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 5:01 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia We could use USA or United States for any address which is in the 50 states. However, I don't think it's in any way a part of an address of a district. For instance, the Virgin Islands I don't believe they can lay claim to the USA part for their address. Addresses in districts are not like addresses in the States. Washington is a district called Columbia. I lived only 75 miles from there and no one ever attached USA (just a zip) to Washington D.C. From: Heather Stovold Well, I would do something like Washington, , District of Columbia, United States I don't know if there is a county or not. On Jan 24, 2008 6:22 PM, wrote: How should District of Columbia for Washington, D.C. be sited? City, County, State, USA??? _ Free games, great prizes - get gaming at Gamesbox. http://www.searchgamesbox.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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To someone from England Washington D.C. could easily be taken as Washington County Durham - and yes there is one! Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:11:42 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com It has no county and it has no state. Just ask anyone who lives there -- no voting representation in Congress although we do have a vote in the presidential elections for the past 35 years or thereabouts. It is a city in a district in the United States. It is unlike all other US locations. I enter it Washington, DC. If you want to spell it out, it is Washington, District of Columbia. I don't put USA in any of my US locations, but if I were outside the United States, I would enter Washington, DC, USA. Adding extra commas won't hurt, I suppose, since you can eliminate them in printing reports. Crockett wrote: I can understand your logic, Joseph, but don’t know what a postal worker in Australia would make of a letter addressed like that! If he was reasonably intelligent he would put it in the bag going to the USA, I guess. Jennifer *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Joseph (Ragweed) *Sent:* Saturday, 26 January 2008 12:01 AM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia We could use USA or United States for any address which is in the 50 states. However, I don't think it's in any way a part of an address of a district. For instance, the Virgin Islands I don't believe they can lay claim to the USA part for their address. Addresses in districts are not like addresses in the States. Washington is a district called Columbia. I lived only 75 miles from there and no one ever attached USA (just a zip) to Washington D.C. *From:* Heather Stovold Well, I would do something like Washington, , District of Columbia, United States I don't know if there is a county or not. On Jan 24, 2008 6:22 PM, wrote: How should District of Columbia for Washington, D.C. be sited? City, County, State, USA??? _ Free games, great prizes - get gaming at Gamesbox. http://www.searchgamesbox.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Well Fran, while we were thinking along the same lines up to now, it looks like we must both reconsider rethinking on the use of maybe spelling out for anyone outside the US (the colonies). I think I would even add in inner D.C. community names. In example: John Smith 1234 Harrington Blvd NW Georgetown, Washington District of Columbia, U.S.A. or this: John Smith 1234 Harrington Blvd NW Washington District of Columbia, U.S.A. or at least this: John Smith 1234 Harrington Blvd NW Washington D.C., U.S.A. This way there's no possible way it could be misconstrued as another place or country. I think the key is in the U.S.A. I mean, when we in the states enter an address for say, Germany, it's more like: Johann Schmidt 1234 Friedrich Strasse Stuttgart, Rhein, Germany or something like that. Bear in mind, this is not an actual address... grin But we should always enter the country in the address, at least I do. Joseph P.S. Gee, I'm really learning things today. GRIN From ronald ferguson To someone from England Washington D.C. could easily be taken as Washington County Durham - and yes there is one! Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:11:42 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com It has no county and it has no state. Just ask anyone who lives there -- no voting representation in Congress although we do have a vote in the presidential elections for the past 35 years or thereabouts. It is a city in a district in the United States. It is unlike all other US locations. I enter it Washington, DC. If you want to spell it out, it is Washington, District of Columbia. I don't put USA in any of my US locations, but if I were outside the United States, I would enter Washington, DC, USA. Adding extra commas won't hurt, I suppose, since you can eliminate them in printing reports. Crockett wrote: I can understand your logic, Joseph, but don’t know what a postal worker in Australia would make of a letter addressed like that! If he was reasonably intelligent he would put it in the bag going to the USA, I guess. Jennifer *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Joseph (Ragweed) *Sent:* Saturday, 26 January 2008 12:01 AM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia We could use USA or United States for any address which is in the 50 states. However, I don't think it's in any way a part of an address of a district. For instance, the Virgin Islands I don't believe they can lay claim to the USA part for their address. Addresses in districts are not like addresses in the States. Washington is a district called Columbia. I lived only 75 miles from there and no one ever attached USA (just a zip) to Washington D.C. *From:* Heather Stovold Well, I would do something like Washington, , District of Columbia, United States I don't know if there is a county or not. On Jan 24, 2008 6:22 PM, wrote: How should District of Columbia for Washington, D.C. be sited? City, County, State, USA??? _ Free games, great prizes - get gaming at Gamesbox. http://www.searchgamesbox.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Georgetown is interesting because it was a separate city before the District of Columbia was established, so if your entry is prior to 1800 it would be Georgetown, Montgomery Co., Maryland. Not now though. Now, it identifies a part of the city of Washington, like Harlem or Soho in New York, but it is not a politically defined area.The real estate market makes most use of names like Georgetown, Foggy Bottom, Capitol Hill, etc., but they're not good post office addresses.I would put Georgetown, etc. in notes if you want to keep it. Street addresses and zip codes go in address lists, but not in 'Location' on the individual's information page. Other places that give rise to similar problems are Arlington, Virginia, which is all urban county is not a city, and St. Louis or Los Angeles, which are counties as well as cities. And then there's New York City with its five boroughs. . . Joseph (Ragweed) wrote: Well Fran, while we were thinking along the same lines up to now, it looks like we must both reconsider rethinking on the use of maybe spelling out for anyone outside the US (the colonies). I think I would even add in inner D.C. community names. In example: John Smith 1234 Harrington Blvd NW Georgetown, Washington District of Columbia, U.S.A. or this: John Smith 1234 Harrington Blvd NW Washington District of Columbia, U.S.A. or at least this: John Smith 1234 Harrington Blvd NW Washington D.C., U.S.A. This way there's no possible way it could be misconstrued as another place or country. I think the key is in the U.S.A. I mean, when we in the states enter an address for say, Germany, it's more like: Johann Schmidt 1234 Friedrich Strasse Stuttgart, Rhein, Germany or something like that. Bear in mind, this is not an actual address... grin But we should always enter the country in the address, at least I do. Joseph P.S. Gee, I'm really learning things today. GRIN From ronald ferguson To someone from England Washington D.C. could easily be taken as Washington County Durham - and yes there is one! Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:11:42 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com It has no county and it has no state. Just ask anyone who lives there -- no voting representation in Congress although we do have a vote in the presidential elections for the past 35 years or thereabouts. It is a city in a district in the United States. It is unlike all other US locations. I enter it Washington, DC. If you want to spell it out, it is Washington, District of Columbia. I don't put USA in any of my US locations, but if I were outside the United States, I would enter Washington, DC, USA. Adding extra commas won't hurt, I suppose, since you can eliminate them in printing reports. Crockett wrote: I can understand your logic, Joseph, but don’t know what a postal worker in Australia would make of a letter addressed like that! If he was reasonably intelligent he would put it in the bag going to the USA, I guess. Jennifer *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Joseph (Ragweed) *Sent:* Saturday, 26 January 2008 12:01 AM *To:* LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia We could use USA or United States for any address which is in the 50 states. However, I don't think it's in any way a part of an address of a district. For instance, the Virgin Islands I don't believe they can lay claim to the USA part for their address. Addresses in districts are not like addresses in the States. Washington is a district called Columbia. I lived only 75 miles from there and no one ever attached USA (just a zip) to Washington D.C. *From:* Heather Stovold Well, I would do something like Washington, , District of Columbia, United States I don't know if there is a county or not. On Jan 24, 2008 6:22 PM, wrote: How should District of Columbia for Washington, D.C. be sited? City, County, State, USA??? _ Free games, great prizes - get gaming at Gamesbox. http://www.searchgamesbox.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User
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Rich, I am sorry but I am not quite clear as to what you mean by the above places, however, hopefully the following may help. The UK comprises Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Great Britain - England, Scotland and Wales. England, Northen Ireland, Scotland and Wales are countries in their own right and not states as in the USA. When I am abroad, the country I use on the last line of the address is one of those four eg. Manchester, England or Edinburgh, Scotland etc., usually in the language of the country I am in when writing. WRT other lands which we either own(ed) or which come/came under British protection we only address(ed) them by their own names thus: India has always been India and not India, UK, America has always been America (which included what is now the USA and Canada) and not America, UK. Regarding the Virgin Islands, the official names are the US Virgin Islands and the British Virgin Islands (not necessarily in that order :-) )and we use the format name of island, British Virgin Islands - it is not for me to suggest how Americans should write it, but you can guess what I would do (and you would be right). Hope that helps. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:01:39 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Ron, would you include United Kingdom in the above places? I have but want to match what the locals use. It is a contantly changing monster. Rich in LA CA --- ronald ferguson wrote: With respect America only owns 2/3 of the Virgin Islands and Britain owns the rest. We would *never* consider the address of our bit to be GB btw, it is simply The Virgin Islands full stop/period. Nor would we ever add GB to any country which we happen to occupy. Not even Northern Ireland is part of GB - that is not to suggest for one minute that we occupy it. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk Blog: Create Your Web Pages View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:02:47 -0800 Okay, pardon my confusion, but how would you address Virgin Islands. I have family from the Virgin Islands and there are two designations for them: Virgin Islands, Danish West Indies Or Virgin Islands, USA The Virgin Islands are territories of the USA. So how are people designating places like Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico... and in past times Philippines. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph (Ragweed) Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 5:01 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] District of Columbia We could use USA or United States for any address which is in the 50 states. However, I don't think it's in any way a part of an address of a district. For instance, the Virgin Islands I don't believe they can lay claim to the USA part for their address. Addresses in districts are not like addresses in the States. Washington is a district called Columbia. I lived only 75 miles from there and no one ever attached USA (just a zip) to Washington D.C. From: Heather Stovold Well, I would do something like Washington, , District of Columbia, United States I don't know if there is a county or not. On Jan 24, 2008 6:22 PM, wrote: How should District of Columbia for Washington, D.C. be sited? City, County, State, USA??? _ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Well, I would do something like Washington, , District of Columbia, United States I don't know if there is a county or not. On Jan 24, 2008 6:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How should District of Columbia for Washington, D.C. be sited? City, County, State, USA??? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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The Location finder in Legacy has the following: Washington, District of Columbia Co, DC, USA The last DC can be spelled out as District of Columbia. Chap On Jan 24, 2008 5:27 PM, Heather Stovold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I would do something like Washington, , District of Columbia, United States I don't know if there is a county or not. On Jan 24, 2008 6:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How should District of Columbia for Washington, D.C. be sited? City, County, State, USA??? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Leon Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Actually, it depends on what era you are working in. You'll find the district divided into several counties over the years including Alexandria county back when the district included part of the Virginia. D.C. is another one of those in which you have to watch for wandering lines. Jackie Leon Chapman wrote: The Location finder in Legacy has the following: Washington, District of Columbia Co, DC, USA The last DC can be spelled out as District of Columbia. Chap On Jan 24, 2008 5:27 PM, Heather Stovold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I would do something like Washington, , District of Columbia, United States I don't know if there is a county or not. On Jan 24, 2008 6:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How should District of Columbia for Washington, D.C. be sited? City, County, State, USA??? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
