Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

[Paul Brown]

I have used the 4 fields since the Geo Location Database first came out.
The facility to suppress double commas in printing is sufficient for output,
as the second field is blank.  I have encouraged many in our LUG to follow
suit.

Advantages far outweigh the disadvantages.  Then comes the matter of
personal preference.

Cheers

Paul

Townsville, , Queensland, Australia.

- Original Message -
From: "Jan Roberts" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 8:47 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.


Not in Australia to my knowledge.

Cheers
Jan
-Original Message-
From: Bernhard Scholz [mailto:scholz-c...@gmx.de]
Sent: Saturday, 22 October 2011 21:34
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

Ron,

I have to disagree as the 4 field convention is not only an American idea
but
also used in many other countries around the world. eg. Australia, Austria,
Germany and if I remeber right in Switzerland.

BTW, as you live in England what do your neighbours living in Irland,
Scotland
and Wales think of this ;-).

Bernhard



-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:39 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

Tony,

I am tempted to ask what 4 field convention? I do not use this American
idea,
and it only affects the Geolocator. It has no effect on anything else.
Indeed the Bing mapping will even take you to the street provided that it
still
exists. Legacy Locations can accept up to 9 fields (I think - without
checking).
The only other thing I do is to set the Location List to read from right to
left, so that I can easy see which people are next to/near each other.

BTW. being from England myself I learned a long time ago that the 4 field
convention does not work for most of our locations, oh! and I do not put any
of
those extra commas in.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/





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Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Gallery

[Bruce Jones]

Makes sense...except it doesn't work (at least for me).

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Mike Fry  wrote:

> On 2011/10/22 21:34, Bruce Jones wrote:
>
> > It doesn't work for me either.  I tried following Sherry's suggestion
> which I
> > interpret to untag all pictures and make sure non are preferred.
>
> Remove the check marks from above ALL pictures. You must have one picture
> selected as the preferred picture - nothing you can do about that.
>
> Then, go to Options--> Customise--> View and in the panel labelled "Picture
> of
> Main Person" on the right-hand side, tick, the check box and select the
> middle
> of the 3 options "Only tagged Preferred".
>
> You have no tagged pictures for the individual and just the one Preferred
> picture, but it will not show because it is not tagged.
>
> SIMPLE!
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mike Fry
> Johannesburg
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

[M. Brenzel]

Tony,

See below for my replies for each of your questions.

Mary


--If you record a birth location as "Smallville Hospital, 123, Small Street, 
Smallville, rest of location", what do you use the birth address field for?

I don't use the address fields for birth, death, burial, etc. as I don't like 
how they appear or don't appear in reports or webpages.  I do have about 60 
addresses in the master list set up for source repositories and to-do items.

--How do you handle a situation where ancestors living in the same house over 3 
censuses, are shown as "125 Cundy Street, Sheffield" on the first and third 
census, but "125 --Cundy Street, Nether Hallam" on the second one?

How could the location be the same for the 1st and 3rd censuses but not the 
2nd?  I can see it changing over time but not likely to change and then change 
back.

--Don't you have thousands of locations?  I have a small database (3300 
individuals and 850 marriages) but even just using town as my smallest entity I 
have almost 800  --locations.  If I split each location into individual 
addresses, it would probably triple the number of locations.

No, I don't have thousands of locations.  My database contains 2266 
individuals, 823 marriages and 711 locations.  Of those 711 locations, there 
are 59 in the city where I grew up.  Every address where someone lived, every 
church, every hospital, every cemetery is individually listed in my locations.

As Ron Ferguson (I think) stated, because this is a relational database, it can 
handle these locations quite easily.  Enter once and use many times if needed.

--Maybe I should revert to the old scheme again, but putting street addresses 
back into locations will take a Looong time.  What are the advantages?  Is 
it actually --worth worrying about?

It all depends upon what you want.  As has been said many times, Legacy is 
so flexible that we can all use it the way we want.  If you are happy using 
the address fields on the birth, death, etc. events, then go ahead.  That's 
your choice.  I prefer to have all of the address included in the locations so 
that they appear IN FULL in my web pages and reports.






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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship Not Showing

[Virginia Dunham]

Georgia,

Legacy does not automatically calculate the relationships...you must
recalculate...I usually do this on a weekly basis.

Virginia


> I have entered eight children for my great great great grandfather.
> Four of these children show a relationship to me in the relationship
> bar.  These four were entered some time ago based on census
> information.  The other 4 do not show a relationship.  These 4 were
> entered more recently when I found a will.  What could I have done
> differently to not show a relationship?
>
>
>
>
>


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[LegacyUG] How to record this location.

[Tony Rolfe]

Bernhard

In Australia we only use town and state, so 3 fields with country.  The
town of Ulladulla, NSW, Australia, for example, is in the local
government area of Shoalhaven, the Federal electorate of Gilmore and the
State electorate of South Coast, but none of those would be used in a
location.

Jenny

I simply can't remember exactly what the problem was. 5 years ago I had
computer problems and lost all archived e-mails. I know, however, that
it was sufficiently serious or annoying for me to contact Legacy support
and then, after their advice, to spend a significant amount of time
"correcting" all my locations.

Certainly, if you feed that address into the Geo search engine, it looks
for a town of High Street in a county of Morden.  I'm sure that there
would have been more to it than that.

To all.

If you record a birth location as "Smallville Hospital, 123, Small
Street, Smallville, rest of location", what do you use the birth address
field for?

How do you handle a situation where ancestors living in the same house
over 3 censuses, are shown as "125 Cundy Street, Sheffield" on the first
and third census, but "125 Cundy Street, Nether Hallam" on the second one?

Don't you have thousands of locations?  I have a small database (3300
individuals and 850 marriages) but even just using town as my smallest
entity I have almost 800 locations.  If I split each location
intoindividual addresses, it would probably triple the number of locations.

Maybe I should revert to the old scheme again, but putting street
addresses back into locations will take a Looong time.  What are the
advantages?  Is it actually worth worrying about?

Thanks to all for the advice so far.  This is getting a bit away from
the original question, but is still on the topic of locations, so I
don't see a need to change the title.

Tony


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[LegacyUG] Relationship Not Showing

[Georgia]

I am using the latest build of Legacy 7.

I have entered eight children for my great great great grandfather.
Four of these children show a relationship to me in the relationship
bar.  These four were entered some time ago based on census
information.  The other 4 do not show a relationship.  These 4 were
entered more recently when I found a will.  What could I have done
differently to not show a relationship?

Many thanks for any help in setting me straight.

Georgia Chun



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[LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared

[Erica Portelli]

I was looking at electoral rolls on Ancestry last night and entering names
addresses occupations etc into my Legacy research notes of various members
of the same family, intending to later go over each one and enter this
information in their events fields.
Suddenly the most recent (probably the last hour of work) disappeared, the
earlier notes from the first couple of hours is still there, but nothing I
added towards the end.
The notes field for 3 family members are totally blank and I know I had
entered information there.
This seemed to happen as I clicked between general and research notes
fields.
It may also have happened a week ago but at the time I put it down to being
overtired and thinking I was looking at the wrong person, but now I am sure
this has happened before.

By coincidence when the first incident happened a week ago I had just
started to use Dropbox as a backup after hearing so many good reports.  I'm
wondering if this is somehow connected as I've never had this problem
before.
When I save each entry before moving to another screen, does this 'save' go
to Dropbox or to my temporary folder
When I look at the general info box, it tells me my family file path is:
C:\Users\Tom & Erica\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\ATZK0IED\ALL-family-current-OCT[1].fdb
Is this something to do with the internet connection to Dropbox - I'm not a
computer wiz but it looks to me that the file I'm relying on to open each
time I open Legacy, is likely to go if I do a clean up on my computer and
delete any temporary files.

On the scale of things, the missing notes are not a huge problem, I can
backtrack to see what is missing, but would like to know if it is a problem
with my programme that I should report as I would not like it to continue.

I'm also thinking that for the sake of being able to sit with my laptop in a
comfy chair may not have been worth Dropbox even though I do love the
concept, I might go back to the USB backups.

BTW I have the latest Legacy 7.5.0.112 and am running Windows 7 -64 bit.
TIA
Erica





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RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

[Jan Roberts]

Not in Australia to my knowledge.

Cheers
Jan
-Original Message-
From: Bernhard Scholz [mailto:scholz-c...@gmx.de]
Sent: Saturday, 22 October 2011 21:34
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

Ron,

I have to disagree as the 4 field convention is not only an American idea but
also used in many other countries around the world. eg. Australia, Austria,
Germany and if I remeber right in Switzerland.

BTW, as you live in England what do your neighbours living in Irland, Scotland
and Wales think of this ;-).

Bernhard



-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:39 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

Tony,

I am tempted to ask what 4 field convention? I do not use this American idea,
and it only affects the Geolocator. It has no effect on anything else.
Indeed the Bing mapping will even take you to the street provided that it still
exists. Legacy Locations can accept up to 9 fields (I think - without checking).
The only other thing I do is to set the Location List to read from right to
left, so that I can easy see which people are next to/near each other.

BTW. being from England myself I learned a long time ago that the 4 field
convention does not work for most of our locations, oh! and I do not put any of
those extra commas in.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/





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Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Gallery

[Brian/Support]

Did you also follow her instructions about going to Options > Customize?
You have to have that set correctly as well as having the "preferred"
picture untagged.

Brian
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On 22/10/2011 6:30 AM, Ray Mechler wrote:
> I tried Sherry's approach and it did not work for me.
>
> I have an individual with 3 jpg images of documents in his Photo Gallery.  I 
> untagged all images in the Photo Gallery and the same jpeg image is still 
> displayed for the individual. I even tried to untag all images except one 
> different from the original image and the image for the original document 
> (now untagged) continues to be displayed.
>
> Ray Mechler
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:26 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Gallery
>
> Easier yet...
>
> Untag all images in the Picture Gallery for the individual who doesn't
> have any pictures you want to show on the Family View.
>
> Then go to Options>  Customize>  View and under "Picture of Main
> Person" select "Only tagged preferred".
>
> No images will show for that person.
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
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Re: [LegacyUG] Request for addition to Legacy

[Paula Ryburn]

Jane, I think we recently had a thread or two on this topic.  Check the archives
for "possible parentage" or "probable relationship" or something like that. 
Several people had really good suggestions... a wide variety.  I'm sure you
would find something that suits you... in the meantime to the suggestion being
implemented. ;)
 --Paula in Texas
Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn
Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams






From: Robert E. Carneal 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sat, October 22, 2011 3:03:19 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Request for addition to Legacy

Jane-  don't forget we can add events/facts ourselves. Go to an
individual, open him/her to Individual Information, and select ADD in
the Events/Facts.  From there, decide on a name for your event, say
"Possible Parents" for example.

This way, you can print your information without having to print notes
if you want to. When you "add" an event, you will be able to format
your sentences so Legacy can generate the sentences for you
automatically. This takes a little bit getting used to, but easy
to do. Will this do what you want?

Thank you.

Robert
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Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Gallery

[Mike Fry]

On 2011/10/22 21:34, Bruce Jones wrote:

> It doesn't work for me either.  I tried following Sherry's suggestion which I
> interpret to untag all pictures and make sure non are preferred.

Remove the check marks from above ALL pictures. You must have one picture
selected as the preferred picture - nothing you can do about that.

Then, go to Options--> Customise--> View and in the panel labelled "Picture of
Main Person" on the right-hand side, tick, the check box and select the middle
of the 3 options "Only tagged Preferred".

You have no tagged pictures for the individual and just the one Preferred
picture, but it will not show because it is not tagged.

SIMPLE!

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg


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Re: [LegacyUG] Request for addition to Legacy

[Robert E. Carneal]

Jane-  don't forget we can add events/facts ourselves. Go to an
individual, open him/her to Individual Information, and select ADD in
the Events/Facts.  From there, decide on a name for your event, say
"Possible Parents" for example.

This way, you can print your information without having to print notes
if you want to. When you "add" an event, you will be able to format
your sentences so Legacy can generate the sentences for you
automatically. This takes a little bit getting used to, but easy
to do. Will this do what you want?

Thank you.

Robert
Genealogy without documentation is mythology! Always SOURCE your work.


On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 10:45 AM,  wrote:
>
> I am probably the only one in the world who has a problem with this, but I am 
> going to request a feature for Legacy. I have any number of notes in my 
> genealogy collection that say, for example: Burwinkle Hendershot's father was 
> Flabius Hendershot and his mother was Sarah Jones. They are from Maine and 
> died in Nevada. (or some such thing). Now this may be true, and I would like 
> to include it in my data in a fairly prominent place, but do not want to put 
> Flabius in as the father without further proof. There may be several 
> candidates for parents, depending on which researcher's work you are looking 
> at. I know I can put in the "Notes" section, and I now do, but that gets 
> easily overlooked unless I print out a full report that includes notes.
>
> My request is this: Could there not be a category (such as unlinked under 
> "Add") such as - "Parent Candidate." For those instances where the parent is 
> not known, I may have several possibilities and I should like my report to 
> print out" Burwinkle's father is said by researcher Smith to be Flabius 
> Hendershot of Maine and his wife, Sarah Jones." Another candidate for 
> Burwinkle's father is ... and so on. I should like to be able to see all 
> of Burwinkle's prospective fathers on some screen, perhaps Family, perhaps 
> Chronological.
>
> No doubt there are myriad problems with this that I haven't thought of or 
> considered, and a new feature isn't going to be added because of one vote, 
> but count me as voting for this one.
>
> Jane Sarles
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Re: [LegacyUG] Request for addition to Legacy

[Bruce Jones]

Would it work to create an "Alt Parents" event and put the parents names in
either the Description or the Notes of the event?
It would show up on the Individual screen and in the Chronology screen.

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 8:45 AM,  wrote:

> I am probably the only one in the world who has a problem with this, but I
> am going to request a feature for Legacy. I have any number of notes in my
> genealogy collection that say, for example: Burwinkle Hendershot's father
> was Flabius Hendershot and his mother was Sarah Jones. They are from Maine
> and died in Nevada. (or some such thing). Now this may be true, and I would
> like to include it in my data in a fairly prominent place, but do not want
> to put Flabius in as the father without further proof. There may be several
> candidates for parents, depending on which researcher's work you are looking
> at. I know I can put in the "Notes" section, and I now do, but that gets
> easily overlooked unless I print out a full report that includes notes.
>
> My request is this: Could there not be a category (such as unlinked under
> "Add") such as - "Parent Candidate." For those instances where the parent is
> not known, I may have several possibilities and I should like my report to
> print out" Burwinkle's father is said by researcher Smith to be Flabius
> Hendershot of Maine and his wife, Sarah Jones." Another candidate for
> Burwinkle's father is ... and so on. I should like to be able to see all
> of Burwinkle's prospective fathers on some screen, perhaps Family, perhaps
> Chronological.
>
> No doubt there are myriad problems with this that I haven't thought of or
> considered, and a new feature isn't going to be added because of one vote,
> but count me as voting for this one.
>
> Jane Sarles
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Gallery

[Bruce Jones]

It doesn't work for me either.  I tried following Sherry's suggestion which
I interpret to untag all pictures and make sure non are preferred.
The problem is that I can't see how to have NONE of the pictures set to
preferred.
I even added a picture, made it preferred, then removed it.  The picture
just before the one I removed was changed to preferred.

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Ray Mechler  wrote:

> I tried Sherry's approach and it did not work for me.
>
> I have an individual with 3 jpg images of documents in his Photo Gallery.
>  I untagged all images in the Photo Gallery and the same jpeg image is still
> displayed for the individual. I even tried to untag all images except one
> different from the original image and the image for the original document
> (now untagged) continues to be displayed.
>
> Ray Mechler
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:26 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Gallery
>
> Easier yet...
>
> Untag all images in the Picture Gallery for the individual who doesn't
> have any pictures you want to show on the Family View.
>
> Then go to Options > Customize > View and under "Picture of Main
> Person" select "Only tagged preferred".
>
> No images will show for that person.
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location list

[Jenny M Benson]

On 22/10/2011 17:42, sarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote:
> Feeling energetic, I began on a project of getting my Master Location list
> in good order. The 2nd entry was (for some odd reason unknown to
> me) "Richard of Chapel Hill". It was given as being on the data of Richard
> Ratcliff. I spend 20 minutes finding which Richard and which event had the
> offending designation. I removed it. I restarted Legacy. Still there. I
> have searched high and low for any other use of the term, but to no avail.
> Must it be there forever?

Did you remove the Location from the Event where you found it or from
the Master Location List.  I suspect the former and you need to remove
it from the the Master List.  Options>Purge unused will get rid of that
one and any others that are no longer needed.  (I often find unused
Locations because I have edited one in a Location field instead of
editing it in the List.)

--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Request for addition to Legacy

[Jane Sarles]

I did so.

Jane

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Ron Ferguson
wrote:

>Jane,
>
> It is up to you to suggest an enhancement and Legacy has facilitated this
> by including a suggest enhancement button at the bottom right of the screen
> after you have selected the Legacy Home tab in your program.
>
> Ron Ferguson
> http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>
>
>  *From:* sarlesinsi...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 22, 2011 4:45 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Request for addition to Legacy
>
> I am probably the only one in the world who has a problem with this, but I
> am going to request a feature for Legacy. I have any number of notes in my
> genealogy collection that say, for example: Burwinkle Hendershot's father
> was Flabius Hendershot and his mother was Sarah Jones. They are from Maine
> and died in Nevada. (or some such thing). Now this may be true, and I would
> like to include it in my data in a fairly prominent place, but do not want
> to put Flabius in as the father without further proof. There may be several
> candidates for parents, depending on which researcher's work you are looking
> at. I know I can put in the "Notes" section, and I now do, but that gets
> easily overlooked unless I print out a full report that includes notes.
>
> My request is this: Could there not be a category (such as unlinked under
> "Add") such as - "Parent Candidate." For those instances where the parent is
> not known, I may have several possibilities and I should like my report to
> print out" Burwinkle's father is said by researcher Smith to be Flabius
> Hendershot of Maine and his wife, Sarah Jones." Another candidate for
> Burwinkle's father is ... and so on. I should like to be able to see all
> of Burwinkle's prospective fathers on some screen, perhaps Family, perhaps
> Chronological.
>
> No doubt there are myriad problems with this that I haven't thought of or
> considered, and a new feature isn't going to be added because of one vote,
> but count me as voting for this one.
>
> Jane Sarles
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

[Ward Walker]

You've seen all the other replies, but if you still wish to have the town in
the first field, and if you just want to add simple qualifiers like 'High
Street', or a cemetery name, or a hospital name, then consider this
convention: "Morden - High Street, Surrey, England". This sorts all the
Morden's together (if you prefer to stick with left-to-right sorting). For
geo-coding, you might still have to do as Bruce suggested and doctor the
location first to obtain the geo-location, then add the finishing touches.

  Ward

- Original Message -
From: "Tony Rolfe" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 7:04 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.


My problem, all those years ago, was that when I entered a location as
"Morden, Surrey, England" Legacy was able to deduce that Morden was a
town.  However, if I entered "High Street, Morden, Surrey, England",
Legacy assumed that the town was High Street, and this confused the
issue somewhat.

The advice I was given then was to only put towns in the location field
and so I spent a couple of weeks straightening it all out and here I am.

I would love to go back to the old scheme, but the 4-field location
means that I would have to put random commas in the middle of addresses
which have no rational reason for being there.

Everyone says how wonderfully flexible Legacy is and, in most cases,
this is true.  However, in one of the most important areas of genealogy,
getting locations correct, Legacy is about as flexible as a 6-inch I-Beam.

The really annoying thing is that it would be so simple to fix.

Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox and get back to the issue in question.
The simplest way, I guess, would be to have a location of "At Sea", use
the death address field for more info on the location as and when that
becomes available and put the rest into Medical Notes/Death Cause.

Thanks for the advice.

Tony



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[LegacyUG] Master Location list

[sarlesinsight]

Feeling energetic, I began on a project of getting my Master Location list 
in good order. The 2nd entry was (for some odd reason unknown to
me) "Richard of Chapel Hill". It was given as being on the data of Richard 
Ratcliff. I spend 20 minutes finding which Richard and which event had the 
offending designation. I removed it. I restarted Legacy. Still there. I
have searched high and low for any other use of the term, but to no avail. 
Must it be there forever?

Jane Sarles


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Re: [LegacyUG] Unsubscribe but see archives

[Ward Walker]

In case there is still some confusion:
(1) If your ISP does not support web-based access to your e-mail or you
choose not to use it, and thus all your incoming messages come to your PC,
then you can set up a filter on your PC's e-mail client. This filter would,
for example, automatically move all new [LegacyUG] e-mails to a folder named
something like 'Inbox for Legacy'. Furthermore, if you want to peruse that
folder only after quite a few messages have accumulated, you should be able
to tell your e-mail client to display messages in a threaded view. (In
Windows Mail, it is called 'group messages by conversation'.) That makes it
easier to find or ignore topics (if people follow the guidelines).
(2) If you do sometimes or always access your e-mail on the web server,
using your web browser, then you can choose to set up a similar filter
there, saving the LegacyUG e-mails in a folder on the server. Then if you do
download messages to your PC' e-mail client, only those still in your Inbox
on the server will be downloaded, not those that are in other folders on the
server. If you access your mail from an iPhone, or similar device, then you
are interacting with your mail account on a web server. Filtering mail lists
off to folders is especially handy when traveling away from home without
your PC. You can quickly check for 'important' e-mails in your Inbox, for
example from your iPhone or from the hotel's computer. When you have time
and/or free wi-fi, browse the messages in your mail list folder(s).

As an aside, I think that a busy mail list would be slightly less
overwhelming if we resisted the temptation to fire off short conversational
messages that just say 'thank you', or 'I agree', or 'I don't know the
answer', etc.

   Ward

- Original Message -
From: Joan
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unsubscribe but see archives


Most email systems will let you filter. I use Thunderbird & all LUG messages
automatically get filed to an LUG folder. Works like a charm. Joan






On 21 Oct 2011, at 23:01, Paul Brodsky  wrote:


Even the online email software can do this. I use gmail. and use tags and
folders to automatically sort my email.  What ever you are using look in the
help files for words like.."folder" and "rules"
On Oct 21, 2011 4:44 PM, "Duane Baker"  wrote:

How do they get into a folder if they are not loaded onto the PC?




From: Paula Ryburn 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unsubscribe but see archives


Betty,
I have a folder set up on my online email and a "rule" to send all LegacyUG
emails there, so they don't ever get downloaded to my PC.  Just a
suggestion.

--Paula in Texas
Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes
Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts
Roche Ryburn Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams






From: BF 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Fri, October 21, 2011 8:15:59 AM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Unsubscribe but see archives


  My mailbox is being filled and overflowing with msgs.  If I
unsubscribe to clear the mailbox, can I reach the archived msgs when I'm
ready to take some time to read them, or search a subject?

Betty
FL




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Re: [LegacyUG] Request for addition to Legacy

[Ron Ferguson]

Jane,

It is up to you to suggest an enhancement and Legacy has facilitated this by 
including a suggest enhancement button at the bottom right of the screen after 
you have selected the Legacy Home tab in your program.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: sarlesinsi...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 4:45 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Request for addition to Legacy

I am probably the only one in the world who has a problem with this, but I am 
going to request a feature for Legacy. I have any number of notes in my 
genealogy collection that say, for example: Burwinkle Hendershot's father was 
Flabius Hendershot and his mother was Sarah Jones. They are from Maine and died 
in Nevada. (or some such thing). Now this may be true, and I would like to 
include it in my data in a fairly prominent place, but do not want to put 
Flabius in as the father without further proof. There may be several candidates 
for parents, depending on which researcher's work you are looking at. I know I 
can put in the "Notes" section, and I now do, but that gets easily overlooked 
unless I print out a full report that includes notes.

My request is this: Could there not be a category (such as unlinked under 
"Add") such as - "Parent Candidate." For those instances where the parent is 
not known, I may have several possibilities and I should like my report to 
print out" Burwinkle's father is said by researcher Smith to be Flabius 
Hendershot of Maine and his wife, Sarah Jones." Another candidate for 
Burwinkle's father is ... and so on. I should like to be able to see all of 
Burwinkle's prospective fathers on some screen, perhaps Family, perhaps 
Chronological.

No doubt there are myriad problems with this that I haven't thought of or 
considered, and a new feature isn't going to be added because of one vote, but 
count me as voting for this one.

Jane Sarles



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[LegacyUG] Request for addition to Legacy

[sarlesinsight]

I am probably the only one in the world who has a problem with this, but I 
am going to request a feature for Legacy. I have any number of notes in my 
genealogy collection that say, for example: Burwinkle Hendershot's father
was Flabius Hendershot and his mother was Sarah Jones. They are from Maine 
and died in Nevada. (or some such thing). Now this may be true, and I would
like to include it in my data in a fairly prominent place, but do not want 
to put Flabius in as the father without further proof. There may be several
candidates for parents, depending on which researcher's work you are
looking at. I know I can put in the "Notes" section, and I now do, but that
gets easily overlooked unless I print out a full report that includes notes.

My request is this: Could there not be a category (such as unlinked
under "Add") such as - "Parent Candidate." For those instances where the
parent is not known, I may have several possibilities and I should like my 
report to print out" Burwinkle's father is said by researcher Smith to be
Flabius Hendershot of Maine and his wife, Sarah Jones." Another candidate
for Burwinkle's father is ... and so on. I should like to be able to
see all of Burwinkle's prospective fathers on some screen, perhaps Family, 
perhaps Chronological.

No doubt there are myriad problems with this that I haven't thought of or
considered, and a new feature isn't going to be added because of one vote, 
but count me as voting for this one.

Jane Sarles


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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source List Problem

[my genealogy email]

Mike, My response was that I was stating that you were not clear in your
original post that that is what you were doing, however it is moot now as
support has already answered the question.
Russ

-Original Message-
From: Mike Fry
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 4:08 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source List Problem

On 2011/10/22 01:07, my genealogy email wrote:

> You didn't say whether you were trying to combine a source that was basic
> or
> a sourcewriter source. If it was a source created with source writer you
> can
> only combine sources that use the same templates.

Why would you want to combine basic and sourcewriter sources? This was
trying to
combine two sourcewriter sources formed from the same, underlying template.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg





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Re: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

[Jenny M Benson]

On 22/10/2011 15:26, M. Brenzel wrote:
> Aren't you the one who said that you separate house number and street
> with a comma or am I confused?

Yes, I did and I do!

I presume you are asking because I also said that I "don't add any
extraneous commas."  What I mean was that I don't use Locations like
"Town,,State, Country" where commas are inserted to indicate a "missing"
element of the location.

--
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RE: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

[M. Brenzel]

Jenny,

Aren't you the one who said that you separate house number and street with a 
comma or am I confused?

Thanks!
Mary



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RE: [LegacyUG] Picture Gallery

[Ray Mechler]

I tried Sherry's approach and it did not work for me.

I have an individual with 3 jpg images of documents in his Photo Gallery.  I 
untagged all images in the Photo Gallery and the same jpeg image is still 
displayed for the individual. I even tried to untag all images except one 
different from the original image and the image for the original document (now 
untagged) continues to be displayed.

Ray Mechler

-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:26 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Gallery

Easier yet...

Untag all images in the Picture Gallery for the individual who doesn't
have any pictures you want to show on the Family View.

Then go to Options > Customize > View and under "Picture of Main
Person" select "Only tagged preferred".

No images will show for that person.

Sincerely,
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Re: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

[Ron Ferguson]

Bernard,

I'm sorry to say this, but when it comes to British locations you are quite
wrong. There is *no* layer between county and Country - and I absolutely
refuse to invent one to fit an artificial convention. We do not have only
ecclesiastical parishes, but also civil parishes, which are not necessarily
co-terminus with the church parish with the same or similar name, and it was
to this type of parish to which I referred.

Many of us include the house and street in the location because in our view
it is the most appropriate place to include it. Largely because if the
address function is used there are restriction as to how and where it
appears on websites/reports which are unacceptable to us.

I am not being dogmatic about this, and am stopping nobody from doing their
own thing, just as we will continue to do ours.

I am aware that our way leads to a very large Location file, but so what?
There is plenty of room for it, and if one includes every house and street
somewhere else then the memory usage will be just as big - if not more so
because some of it will be included twice.

Sorry, Bernard, I cannot agree.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Bernhard Scholz
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:13 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

Ron et all,

I've the feeling there is a wrong opinion of the use of the definition and
use
of locations.

I don't think the location was ever supposed to include the complete postal
address as we would say today but only the place of interest.

Using the example sent Ron sent:
house name/number, Street, local district/town, (parish), (city),
County, Country

this would be:
town/village, County, XXX, Country
and this fits in the 4 values.

The XXX is only an example for what part of Greatbitian someone comes from
and
the data (parish) is church data and should be included in the religious
data.


For the data about street names, house nr. etc we have the posibilties to
"Add
or edit Addreess information" and the EVENT "residence" where geo-data can
be
added.

If I'd used a new location for every place I lived in the last four years
I'd
have three locations.
Using the above I have one Location, one Address information and two Events:
Residence.

With all the places I've been we could get upto over 25 locations. Only for
me.
In my datbase I have about 26 000 individuals.
Using a seperate location for each one with an average of two locations for
each
one we would have about 100 000 locations ;-).
BTW. Hundreds of them live in the same villages.

I hope you understand what I want to say.

Bernhard


P.S.

It was great to see the word village again



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 3:07 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens



From: M. Brenzel 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:58 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

Mary,

My locations vary enormously due to the nature of the way that English
locations
have developed since Watling Street in about 300AD (maybe a bit earlier), so
they basically comprise:

house name/number, Street, local district/town, (parish), (city), County,
Country

The brackets indicate a level which may or may not exist.

The only difference for Short Locations is that I drop the country. However
when
I eventually get round to it I intend to change the counties from their full
name to the abbreviated Chapman Codes (just the name for our system) eg.
Lancashire will become LAN.

Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/

Ron,

Yes, that's how I have started to change them.  I wanted to experiment first
so
I updated only a handful of my locations. Looking back in the Archives, I
see a
message from Jenny about this earlier today.  That's what she said she is
doing.

Can you provide an example of what you have for long and short names?

Thanks!

Mary

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 5:23 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

Mary,

Are you long name and short name examples correct? I only ask because it is

not the way I do it, not because there is anything particularly wrong with

it - just looks a bit strange to me!

The Help Files are clear that the long name will always be used on the

Information Screens - when you think about it, it has to be so, because that

is where the long name is entered.

Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-

From: M. Brenzel

Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:23 PM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

I think that I have found a bug.  Either that 

RE: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

[Alan Pereira]

Bernhard,

I want to use the location as the address where a person was during a given 
life event.  Birth, Marriage, Census, School, Occupation etc.  This address I 
want to be as accurate as possible and matching the address as it was at that 
point in time.  I might add a reference in the address notes as to what that 
address became over time i.e. In the UK parts of the County of Middlesex became 
London then "Greater London"
I may consider using the 4 field convention as the short name but never the 
long name.

Alan

-Original Message-
From: Bernhard Scholz [mailto:scholz-c...@gmx.de]
Sent: 22 October 2011 13:13
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

Ron et all,

I've the feeling there is a wrong opinion of the use of the definition and use
of locations.

I don't think the location was ever supposed to include the complete postal
address as we would say today but only the place of interest.

Using the example sent Ron sent:
house name/number, Street, local district/town, (parish), (city),
County, Country

this would be:
 town/village, County, XXX, Country
and this fits in the 4 values.

The XXX is only an example for what part of Greatbitian someone comes from and
the data (parish) is church data and should be included in the religious data.


For the data about street names, house nr. etc we have the posibilties to "Add
or edit Addreess information" and the EVENT "residence" where geo-data can be
added.

If I'd used a new location for every place I lived in the last four years I'd
have three locations.
Using the above I have one Location, one Address information and two Events:
Residence.

With all the places I've been we could get upto over 25 locations. Only for me.
In my datbase I have about 26 000 individuals.
Using a seperate location for each one with an average of two locations for each
one we would have about 100 000 locations ;-).
BTW. Hundreds of them live in the same villages.

I hope you understand what I want to say.

Bernhard


P.S.

It was great to see the word village again



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 3:07 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens



From: M. Brenzel 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:58 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

Mary,

My locations vary enormously due to the nature of the way that English locations
have developed since Watling Street in about 300AD (maybe a bit earlier), so
they basically comprise:

house name/number, Street, local district/town, (parish), (city), County,
Country

The brackets indicate a level which may or may not exist.

The only difference for Short Locations is that I drop the country. However when
I eventually get round to it I intend to change the counties from their full
name to the abbreviated Chapman Codes (just the name for our system) eg.
Lancashire will become LAN.

Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/

Ron,

Yes, that's how I have started to change them.  I wanted to experiment first so
I updated only a handful of my locations. Looking back in the Archives, I see a
message from Jenny about this earlier today.  That's what she said she is doing.

Can you provide an example of what you have for long and short names?

Thanks!

Mary

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 5:23 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

Mary,

Are you long name and short name examples correct? I only ask because it is

not the way I do it, not because there is anything particularly wrong with

it - just looks a bit strange to me!

The Help Files are clear that the long name will always be used on the

Information Screens - when you think about it, it has to be so, because that

is where the long name is entered.

Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-

From: M. Brenzel

Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:23 PM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

I think that I have found a bug.  Either that or my interpretation of the

effect is incorrect.

Has anyone else set the option for "Short Location Names on Screens" on the

Customize View tab?  It isn't working the way that I thought it would.

As others do, I do not use the "4 field" format for locations.  My locations

contain the full address including names of churches, cemeteries, etc.  Some

users have suggested separating the number portion of a street address from

the street name itself in order to improve sorting by keeping streets

together.  I sort my location list right to left.

For example, I have the following set for 123 Main Stre

RE: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

[Bernhard Scholz]

Ron et all,

I've the feeling there is a wrong opinion of the use of the definition and use
of locations.

I don't think the location was ever supposed to include the complete postal
address as we would say today but only the place of interest.

Using the example sent Ron sent:
house name/number, Street, local district/town, (parish), (city),
County, Country

this would be:
 town/village, County, XXX, Country
and this fits in the 4 values.

The XXX is only an example for what part of Greatbitian someone comes from and
the data (parish) is church data and should be included in the religious data.


For the data about street names, house nr. etc we have the posibilties to "Add
or edit Addreess information" and the EVENT "residence" where geo-data can be
added.

If I'd used a new location for every place I lived in the last four years I'd
have three locations.
Using the above I have one Location, one Address information and two Events:
Residence.

With all the places I've been we could get upto over 25 locations. Only for me.
In my datbase I have about 26 000 individuals.
Using a seperate location for each one with an average of two locations for each
one we would have about 100 000 locations ;-).
BTW. Hundreds of them live in the same villages.

I hope you understand what I want to say.

Bernhard


P.S.

It was great to see the word village again



From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 3:07 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens



From: M. Brenzel 
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:58 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

Mary,

My locations vary enormously due to the nature of the way that English locations
have developed since Watling Street in about 300AD (maybe a bit earlier), so
they basically comprise:

house name/number, Street, local district/town, (parish), (city), County,
Country

The brackets indicate a level which may or may not exist.

The only difference for Short Locations is that I drop the country. However when
I eventually get round to it I intend to change the counties from their full
name to the abbreviated Chapman Codes (just the name for our system) eg.
Lancashire will become LAN.

Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/

Ron,

Yes, that's how I have started to change them.  I wanted to experiment first so
I updated only a handful of my locations. Looking back in the Archives, I see a
message from Jenny about this earlier today.  That's what she said she is doing.

Can you provide an example of what you have for long and short names?

Thanks!

Mary

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 5:23 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

Mary,

Are you long name and short name examples correct? I only ask because it is

not the way I do it, not because there is anything particularly wrong with

it - just looks a bit strange to me!

The Help Files are clear that the long name will always be used on the

Information Screens - when you think about it, it has to be so, because that

is where the long name is entered.

Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-

From: M. Brenzel

Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:23 PM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

I think that I have found a bug.  Either that or my interpretation of the

effect is incorrect.

Has anyone else set the option for "Short Location Names on Screens" on the

Customize View tab?  It isn't working the way that I thought it would.

As others do, I do not use the "4 field" format for locations.  My locations

contain the full address including names of churches, cemeteries, etc.  Some

users have suggested separating the number portion of a street address from

the street name itself in order to improve sorting by keeping streets

together.  I sort my location list right to left.

For example, I have the following set for 123 Main Street, City, County,

State, Country:

Long name = 123, Main Street, City, County, State, Country

Short name = 123 Main Street, City, County, State, Country

I have done that but I don't like the way that it looks on the Legacy

screens.

Family and Chronology views are good.  The short location name is displayed.

Individual's Information and Marriage Information screens show the long name

in the vital info and events/facts sections.

I suspect that I still see the location long names because those screens

allow for the selection of the location so it displays the long names,

whereas the other screens are display only.



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RE: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

[Bernhard Scholz]

Robert,

I prefer to just use the very short form of the name, in your case just Miami,
as my experience upto now is that the people I gave reports to knew of what
places we were talking about.

For the others I include the complete name as in my case I have eg. three places
called Zell in a radius of 30 km. and there are another 6 in the radius of 100
km.

Depending on ones roots it's difficult to have a golden rule for a short name.

Eg. an ancestor was born in
Nußdorf(Orzechówko), Kreis Briesen(Wabrzezno), Westpommern,
Deutschland(Polska)

For the short I use:
Nußdorf(Orzechówko)
as my relatives know that it's in Poland.

As can be seen, I'm fighting with several problems.
The languages and the history. Prior to 1946 this area was German and since then
it's Polish.

Not only I have this problem as the continental Europe has so many changes in
the last hundreds of years that's it's very difficult to keep track of the names
of places and there locations.

My best sollution is to use the old name and in brackets the present name with
its geographical data.
As Legacy doesn't support UNICODE I will have to edit many Polish name at least
a second time.


Bernhard



From: Robert E. Carneal [mailto:kentuckygenealog...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 3:07 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens


Here are what I use for long and short names.

Long:
Miami, Miami-Dade County, Florida, United States

Short:
Miami, Fl.

Robert



On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 6:58 PM, M. Brenzel  wrote:


Ron,

Yes, that's how I have started to change them.  I wanted to
experiment first so I updated only a handful of my locations.  Looking back in
the Archives, I see a message from Jenny about this earlier today.  That’s what
she said she is doing.

Can you provide an example of what you have for long and short names?

Thanks!

Mary

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co..uk
 ]
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 5:23 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

Mary,

Are you long name and short name examples correct? I only ask because it
is

not the way I do it, not because there is anything particularly wrong
with

it - just looks a bit strange to me!

The Help Files are clear that the long name will always be used on the

Information Screens - when you think about it, it has to be so, because
that

is where the long name is entered.

Ron Ferguson

http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-

From: M. Brenzel

Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:23 PM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

I think that I have found a bug.  Either that or my interpretation of
the

effect is incorrect.

Has anyone else set the option for "Short Location Names on Screens" on
the

Customize View tab?  It isn't working the way that I thought it would.

As others do, I do not use the "4 field" format for locations.  My
locations

contain the full address including names of churches, cemeteries, etc.
Some

users have suggested separating the number portion of a street address
from

the street name itself in order to improve sorting by keeping streets

together.  I sort my location list right to left.

For example, I have the following set for 123 Main Street, City, County,


State, Country:

Long name = 123, Main Street, City, County, State, Country

Short name = 123 Main Street, City, County, State, Country

I have done that but I don't like the way that it looks on the Legacy

screens.

Family and Chronology views are good.  The short location name is
displayed.

Individual's Information and Marriage Information screens show the long
name

in the vital info and events/facts sections.

I suspect that I still see the location long names because those screens


allow for the selection of the location so it displays the long names,

whereas the other screens are display only.



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Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

[Ron Ferguson]

Bernhard,

With respect, the 4 field convention was designed by Americans to suit (in
the main) their system of identifying locations. It is also relatively new.
I agree that many locations will fit, but my point is that that for us it is
not compatible. To make it work England has to become a state of the UK, it
isn't and never has been, and never will be. This applies equally to
Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland.

Since ourselves, and Europe are, unlike America, very old civilisations, we
had our system of identifying locations long, long before the convention was
a twinkle in anybody's eye!

I did not mean to imply that many locations couldn't be *made* to fit (sort
of), simply that most don't.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Bernhard Scholz
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 11:33 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

Ron,

I have to disagree as the 4 field convention is not only an American idea
but
also used in many other countries around the world. eg. Australia, Austria,
Germany and if I remeber right in Switzerland.

BTW, as you live in England what do your neighbours living in Irland,
Scotland
and Wales think of this ;-).

Bernhard



-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:39 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

Tony,

I am tempted to ask what 4 field convention? I do not use this American
idea,
and it only affects the Geolocator. It has no effect on anything else.
Indeed the Bing mapping will even take you to the street provided that it
still
exists. Legacy Locations can accept up to 9 fields (I think - without
checking).
The only other thing I do is to set the Location List to read from right to
left, so that I can easy see which people are next to/near each other.

BTW. being from England myself I learned a long time ago that the 4 field
convention does not work for most of our locations, oh! and I do not put any
of
those extra commas in.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Tony Rolfe
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:04 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

My problem, all those years ago, was that when I entered a location as
"Morden,
Surrey, England" Legacy was able to deduce that Morden was a town.  However,
if
I entered "High Street, Morden, Surrey, England", Legacy assumed that the
town
was High Street, and this confused the issue somewhat.

The advice I was given then was to only put towns in the location field and
so I
spent a couple of weeks straightening it all out and here I am.

I would love to go back to the old scheme, but the 4-field location means
that I
would have to put random commas in the middle of addresses which have no
rational reason for being there.

Everyone says how wonderfully flexible Legacy is and, in most cases, this is
true.  However, in one of the most important areas of genealogy, getting
locations correct, Legacy is about as flexible as a 6-inch I-Beam.

The really annoying thing is that it would be so simple to fix.

Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox and get back to the issue in question.
The simplest way, I guess, would be to have a location of "At Sea", use the
death address field for more info on the location as and when that becomes
available and put the rest into Medical Notes/Death Cause.

Thanks for the advice.

Tony





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RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

[Bernhard Scholz]

Ron,

I have to disagree as the 4 field convention is not only an American idea but
also used in many other countries around the world. eg. Australia, Austria,
Germany and if I remeber right in Switzerland.

BTW, as you live in England what do your neighbours living in Irland, Scotland
and Wales think of this ;-).

Bernhard



-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:39 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

Tony,

I am tempted to ask what 4 field convention? I do not use this American idea,
and it only affects the Geolocator. It has no effect on anything else.
Indeed the Bing mapping will even take you to the street provided that it still
exists. Legacy Locations can accept up to 9 fields (I think - without checking).
The only other thing I do is to set the Location List to read from right to
left, so that I can easy see which people are next to/near each other.

BTW. being from England myself I learned a long time ago that the 4 field
convention does not work for most of our locations, oh! and I do not put any of
those extra commas in.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Tony Rolfe
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 12:04 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

My problem, all those years ago, was that when I entered a location as "Morden,
Surrey, England" Legacy was able to deduce that Morden was a town.  However, if
I entered "High Street, Morden, Surrey, England", Legacy assumed that the town
was High Street, and this confused the issue somewhat.

The advice I was given then was to only put towns in the location field and so I
spent a couple of weeks straightening it all out and here I am.

I would love to go back to the old scheme, but the 4-field location means that I
would have to put random commas in the middle of addresses which have no
rational reason for being there.

Everyone says how wonderfully flexible Legacy is and, in most cases, this is
true.  However, in one of the most important areas of genealogy, getting
locations correct, Legacy is about as flexible as a 6-inch I-Beam.

The really annoying thing is that it would be so simple to fix.

Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox and get back to the issue in question.
The simplest way, I guess, would be to have a location of "At Sea", use the
death address field for more info on the location as and when that becomes
available and put the rest into Medical Notes/Death Cause.

Thanks for the advice.

Tony



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Re: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

[Jenny M Benson]

On 22/10/2011 02:07, Ron Ferguson wrote:
> My locations vary enormously due to the nature of the way that
> English locations have developed since Watling Street in about 300AD
> (maybe a bit earlier), so they basically comprise:
>
> house name/number, Street, local district/town, (parish), (city),
> County, Country
>
> The brackets indicate a level which may or may not exist.
>

Mine are similar.

> The only difference for Short Locations is that I drop the country.
> However when I eventually get round to it I intend to change the
> counties from their full name to the abbreviated Chapman Codes (just
> the name for our system) eg. Lancashire will become LAN.

I usually try and keep Short Locations to 3 fields.  An address such as
house name or number, street, village/district, town/city, county,
country will be reduced to street, district or town, county abbreviated
to Chapman Code.

(Whether I use the village/district or town/city name in the Short
Location is slightly arbitrary but mainly depends on how big/well known
the smaller division is.)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Unsubscribe but see archives

[Joan]

Most email systems will let you filter. I use Thunderbird & all LUG messages 
automatically get filed to an LUG folder. Works like a charm. Joan




On 21 Oct 2011, at 23:01, Paul Brodsky  wrote:

> Even the online email software can do this. I use gmail. and use tags and 
> folders to automatically sort my email.  What ever you are using look in the 
> help files for words like.."folder" and "rules"
>
> On Oct 21, 2011 4:44 PM, "Duane Baker"  wrote:
> How do they get into a folder if they are not loaded onto the PC?
>
> From: Paula Ryburn 
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 11:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unsubscribe but see archives
>
> Betty,
> I have a folder set up on my online email and a "rule" to send all LegacyUG 
> emails there, so they don't ever get downloaded to my PC.  Just a suggestion.
>
> --Paula in Texas
> Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman 
> Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field 
> Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes 
> Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts 
> Roche Ryburn Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams
>
>
> From: BF 
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Sent: Fri, October 21, 2011 8:15:59 AM
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Unsubscribe but see archives
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>   My mailbox is being filled and overflowing with msgs.  If I unsubscribe 
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> some time to read them, or search a subject?
>
> Betty
> FL
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Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

[Jenny M Benson]

On 22/10/2011 00:04, Tony Rolfe wrote:
> My problem, all those years ago, was that when I entered a location as
> "Morden, Surrey, England" Legacy was able to deduce that Morden was a
> town.  However, if I entered "High Street, Morden, Surrey, England",
> Legacy assumed that the town was High Street, and this confused the
> issue somewhat.

What do you mean by "Legacy assumed that the town was High Street"?  In
what way did it confuse the issue?  I have (Like many others) been
putting full addresses into the Location field for ages and haven't had
any problems with doing so.
>

> I would love to go back to the old scheme, but the 4-field location
> means that I would have to put random commas in the middle of addresses
> which have no rational reason for being there.

Well, just ignore the whole idea of a "4-field location" - again, like
many of us do.  I've never tried to fit my Locations to 4 fields - I
have Locations with from 1 to ... er ... lots of fields.  I don't put
any extraneous commas in, either.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source List Problem

[Jenny M Benson]

On 22/10/2011 09:08, Mike Fry wrote:
> Why would you want to combine basic and sourcewriter sources?

I know you weren't trying to do that, but I can imagine that people who
don't know *it isn't possible*, might think combining an (old) Basic
Source with a (new) SourceWriter Source is a way to convert Basic to SW.

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Re: [LegacyUG] This is propaganda at its worst

[Mike Fry]

On 2011/10/22 08:51, Deborah Trounstine wrote:

> If this is what the Legacy User Group is going to turn into, count me
> out of everything pertaining to any of your products.

No! This is not the usual LUG fare! Someone got hacked with the specific purpose
of spreading your so-called propaganda. The problem is, there are too many
people on this list who can not recognise when an account has been hacked and do
the decent thing - ignore the email. Delete it!

And take steps to ensure that you don't get hacked and innocently raise the ire
of other users.

--
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Johannesburg


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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source List Problem

[Mike Fry]

On 2011/10/22 01:07, my genealogy email wrote:

> You didn't say whether you were trying to combine a source that was basic or
> a sourcewriter source. If it was a source created with source writer you can
> only combine sources that use the same templates.

Why would you want to combine basic and sourcewriter sources? This was trying to
combine two sourcewriter sources formed from the same, underlying template.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

[Ron Ferguson]

Mary,

Sorry that I wasn't sufficiently clear. I a) drop the country and b) do not
drop the comma between the house number and Street - it was this bit that
seemed to be funny to me.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: M. Brenzel
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:51 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Showing Short Location Names on Screens

Ron,

I don’t understand how yours differs from mine.  I am going to assume that
every house doesn’t have a house name.  What if you have a house number and
street?  That’s my example.  How do you handle those?

Mary



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[LegacyUG] This is propaganda at its worst

[Deborah Trounstine]

If this is what the Legacy User Group is going to turn into, count me
out of everything pertaining to any of your products.
This post is false and wrong and Ellen is crazy to believe it.
Do something besides sit around watching Fox & Friends all day!

 Original Message 
Subject:Re: [LegacyUG] IBM turned down by Obama
Date:   Mon, 17 Oct 2011 03:28:26 + (UTC)
From:   kramer...@comcast.net
Reply-To:   LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com



I was surprised to see something so off topic here, but I had not heard
about this yet.  Thank you for sharing, but in an international and
specific venue, not everyone will appreciate it.

God bless,
Ellen

*From: *"Deborah Trounstine" 
*To: *LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
*Sent: *Sunday, October 16, 2011 12:29:49 AM
*Subject: *Re: [LegacyUG] IBM turned down by Obama

Abhorrent propaganda. Shame on you.

On 10/15/2011 2:14 PM, Fred Schwilk wrote:
 >
 > *Subject:*  IBM turned down by Obama - *Hope the whole United
 > States population finds out about this. IBM offered to help reduce
 > Medicare fraud for free... The offer is true.Mort Zuckermann, US
 > News and World Report, a Democrat, was interviewed on Fox and
 > confirmed it. IBM has confirmed it. You won't believe it.*
 >
 > *IBM offered to help reduce Medicare fraud for free...*
 >
 > *What if I told you that the And, what if I told you that, in the
 > end and after two meetings, President Obama and his team, instead
 > of embracing a program that was proven to save money and one that
 > was projected to save almost one trillion dollars - a private
 > sector program costing the taxpayers nothing, zip, nada, zilch -
 > said, "Thanks but no thanks" and then embarked on passing one of
 > the most despised pieces of legislation in US history?*
 >
 > *Well, it's all true.*
 >
 > *Mr. Palmisano is quoted as saying during a taping
 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcR_bLBHcJo of The Wall Street
 > Journal's Viewpoints program on September 14, 2010: **"We could
 > have improved the quality and reduced the cost of the healthcare
 > system by $900 billion... I said we would do it for free to prove
 > that it works. They turned us down."*
 >
 > **
 >
 > *Be sure to click on the link above for Mr. Palmisano's statement.*
 >
 >
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