from:"John B. Lisle"

Re: [LegacyUG] Log of Changes

2013-11-26 Thread John B. Lisle



Carol,
You can do a search for individuals with a Modified Date after some
particular date and get a search list with those people. It does not give
the specific changes, but should show you who has been changed.
Does that help?
john.

At 09:29 PM 7/19/2020, Carol Booth wrote:
What a shame this hasn't been
added. It would be a great feature 
Carol
On 20/07/2013, at 11:32 AM, "Mark Lang"

wrote:
Hello Mathew,
 
As a beta tester for the program, I came up with an idea similar to this
back on the 4 April 2011 (yep, over 2 years ago). It was not
employed.
 
Kind Regards,
Mark
 
From: Matthew Williams
[
mailto:matthewjwilliams...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013 8:21 PM
To:

LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Log of Changes
 
Hello,
 
Is there a way to log the changes made within a legacy database (or is
there one already built-in)?
 
E.g.
 
26/05 Event added to âSamuel Brownâ
23/04 New Individual âMichael Davisâ added to database
21/02 Birth date added to âSarah Jonesâ
 
 
Cheers,
 
Matthew



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Re: [LegacyUG] Potential Problems Flags and Options for Legacy 8 [was: Font Size]

2013-11-26 Thread John B. Lisle

Lloyd,

Yes, if you do not want to see all of the PP flags, turn off Option 8.11.

The ability to exclude items as problems has been significantly
enhanced and an additional category of problems "Gaps" has been added.

I would like to point users to the last note on the Help page
"Potential Problems Report" under the Standardization Tab. We have a
new way to exclude specific terms you may use for Unknown surnames or
given names from PP checking.

Please note some important differences in handling options in Legacy 8.

1/ All of the Options are now numbered so you can communicate easily
which option you are talking about. Please note that on the Customize
menu, the last item is an index of all of the options so you can find
the one you are looking for quickly.

2/ Some of the options are global, and some are for specific to the
family file you are currently using. Option 8.11 is per Family File
(ff) so you can decide for each of your family files if you need PP
alerting or not.

Possibly a more important use of this is 6.2 "Default location of
media files". If you have multiple family files, you can have a
default location for media for each of your ff.

Current users amy want to look over all of the options and decide how
you want to operate and then click on "Options for Default Settings"
and save your personal defaults. Those defaults will then be
installed whenever you create a new Family File.

A general concept about Legacy 8 is that it has been implemented so
that the new or beginning user can operate without having to do a lot
of customization. Just install and go. But, as you become more
experienced, you have lots of flexibility to tune Legacy to your
specific needs. And an advanced or power user can tune it for high
productivity.

Does this help?

john.

At 02:15 PM 11/26/2013, Lloyd Hite wrote:
>Hello List,
>Will I be able to increase the font size in the Deluxe Version? I cannot
>increase it in the Standard Version. Also, is there a global setting to
>get rid of all the potential problem flags in the data?
>
>Thank you,
>Lloyd
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] PP Alert Details Hang [was: Legacy 8]

2013-11-26 Thread John B. Lisle

Hi,

This has seemed to be an intermittent issue that
started late in the testing cycle. Not everyone
sees it, and it may only occur on certain type of PP Alerts.

Please email me privately with details of what you see.

thanks,
john.

At 04:18 PM 11/26/2013, C.G. Ouimet wrote:
>--snip --
>
>When clicking the Potential Problems icon in
>Family View or Pedigree View opens up Potential
>Problems which is good. But Clicking to view
>details, right clicking to exclude problems or
>shift-right clicking to change problem settings all result in Legacy hanging.
>
>Windows 7 
>
>C.G. Ouimet
>Kingston ON

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Installation - Avast Antivirus - file prevalence/reputation is low msdev.exe

2013-11-26 Thread John B. Lisle

John,

The last two major version of Avast Internet
Security (Ver 8 & 9) have had some qualms about Legacy install files.

This was a problem seen in Legacy 7.x also; it is not new to Legacy 8.

It has something to do with how the Legacy
installer file is constructed. To keep it as
small as possible, it is a compressed file. The
file is uncompressed into a temporary file that
has a different name, probably created by Windows
on your PC, each time it is created so you cannot
tell Avast that the file of that name is OK as it
is seeing a concern about the created temp file.

If Avast were the only part of the problem, this
would not be an issue. However, Windows (I use
Win 7 Pro) jumps in after Avast starts analyzing
the file, Windows thinks it is not opening
quickly enough, so it comes up with what is
effectively a "Not Responding" Window (which you
just have to X out of) and then a Program
Compatibility Window that you can just close and
then the install proceeds without a problem.

A further complication can be that, if you choose
to download the installer file and rename it - I
append the build number, you will get another
Program Compatibility Alert asking if the program
installed correctly. Just say yes, and you are good.

I get annoyed about this, but this should give
users, confidence that the installer is a safe
file. As a tester, I got the privilege of dealing
with this almost every day for months.

I have tried contacting Avast support, but I do
not think they understand what is the problem.
They do not understand that new installer files
are created regularly so I cannot just upload one
and have them clear that one when they get around
to it, as a new copy will likely be available
before they process it. I invite other Avast users to contact them also.

I have not found an Avast option to limit this
behavior just for Legacy setup files. Nor have I
found what Windows options need to be tweaked to
deal with the alerts they are posting.

BTW, I seen these problems with other software I have installed on my PC.

john.

At 05:49 PM 11/26/2013, John Magyari wrote:
>After being hit by several viruses this year
>and having to reformat the drives on 2 PCs
>I started using Avast, which has prevented many infections so far.
>Â
>Avast indicated
>We did not find enough evidence to identify the file as malware,
>However you should still use extreme caution when accessing it.
>Â
>msdev.exe
>Â
>reason: The file prevalence/reputation is low.
>Â
>Is this file uninfectedÂ or should I override
>the Avast Antivirus Software during installation?
>Â
>Â
>Â
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Import Legacy 7.5 data

2013-11-26 Thread John B. Lisle

Bobby,

Based on testing that some of the other testers have done, family
files as early as Legacy 4 were converted properly.

john.

At 09:32 PM 11/26/2013, Bobby Johnson wrote:
>I installed legacy 8 on a Win 7-64 using the default settings.  After making
>sure I had a backup of my Legacy 7.5.0.278 data, I imported it into Legacy 8.
>No problems.  Everything appears to be in place and displays
>properly.  Now I am
>wondering if my data were from an older build of 7.5 where the tables are
>different would I have gotten the same good results?  Some of the
>users group I
>am associated with have not upgraded to the latest version of 7.5 .  I suspect
>they will have no problem but am not sure that is the case.
>I would appreciate comments from anyone who may have experience with this
>situation.
>Bobby

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Installation - GLBF797.tmp

2013-11-27 Thread John B. Lisle

John,
I suspect that the initial failed install is now blocking your PC from
installing Legacy.
GLBF797.tmp is not the installer. It is a temporary file created by the
downloaded installer program on your PC. If it is still sitting on your
PC, find it and delete it.
Then try restarting the installation with the Legacy8setup.exe file that
you downloaded. You might even want to start by downloading a new copy as
the copy you have may be incomplete.
If this does not work, then I suggest you contact support directly for
additional help.
john.
At 11:21 AM 11/27/2013, John Magyari wrote:
Windows 7 sp1 Memory 6 meg Intel
Core i7
No Antivirus installed
Legacy 8.0.0 build 353
Â
I uninstalled Avast and the same error still exists preventing
installation.
So Avast was not an issue here.
Â
Installation aborts after screen
Skipping file
...\dao360.dll
Then GLBE253.tmp has stopped working
Â
Legacy 7 and Legacy 7 Beta never had this issue on this machine.
Â
Each attempt Temp name changes.
Â
What info do you need, to determine why installation aborts and is
unsuccessful?
Â
Â
Â

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 7:08 AM, Gene Young

wrote:

On 11/26/2013 7:38 PM, Sherry/Support wrote:

> That's a problem with Avast. Turn it off when you do an install
or update of Legacy.

> I just switched to a different AV program since I was getting
tired of dealing with this every time there was a test update!

> Sincerely,

> Sherry

> Technical Support

> Legacy Family Tree

I run Avast and I just installed Legacy 8. Â No problems, no
warnings. Â It may not be the simplest anti-virus program to use but, as
with all software, the more you learn about it the better it appears to
become and the easier it becomes to use.

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Re: [LegacyUG] PP Alert Details Hang [was: Legacy 8]

2013-11-27 Thread John B. Lisle

Ron,

There is a problem with PP Alerts and Legacy hanging. It does not
happen for everyone. Only my GR build showed the problem.

I discovered that, if I renamed the USR file in [My Documents], the
problem goes away. This tells me that it is a conflict between
various settings.

If have forwarded the issue to developers.

john.

At 11:04 AM 11/27/2013, Ron Ferguson wrote:
>Your's might, mine doesn't. If you would like some help perhaps you can tell
>us what you have tried to resolve the problem, whether you had installation
>problems, does it apply to many different types of problems or just one?
>
>Ron Ferguson
>http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>
>-Original Message-
>From: C.G. Ouimet
>Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 3:17 PM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] PP Alert Details Hang [was: Legacy 8]
>
>800.353 hangs when you do any of that ...
>
>
>C.G. Ouimet
>Kingston ON
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Kurt Kneeland [mailto:kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net]
>Sent: November 27, 2013 09:59 AM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] PP Alert Details Hang [was: Legacy 8]
>
>As you said, when you hover over a pp icon, you get options to change
>settings. Do the Shift-Right Click and then go to the Gaps tab.  There you
>can change the soon or long after marriage, and how soon or long between
>children to be flagged as a problem.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Teresa Goatham [mailto:ter...@goatham.co.uk]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:32 AM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] PP Alert Details Hang [was: Legacy 8]
>
>I even managed to get Legacy to crash trying to turn off a Potential
>problem - not sure exactly what I did, now though, and it has'nt happened a
>2nd time (but I have turned more off)
>
>It seems strange to me that if I hover over the PP icon I get options to
>change my overall settings, but not to mark that particular possible problem
>as not an issue. Especially the gaps, there are loads I'd like to be able to
>switch off quickly; I know they're not a problem without clicking to see the
>details.
>
>So many I may just turn off reporting for the gaps, good idea, but the
>numbers used just don't work for much of my tree. I wish I could change
>them, e.g. at one time most of the working class in England (i.e. most
>people) were expecting a child when they married, so less than an 8 mth gap
>between marriage and 1st child's baptism was probably the norm, certainly
>very common. At other periods or classes it was rare, hence being able to
>the change from 8 mths would be useful.
>
>Teresa
>
>On 26/11/2013 22:31, John B. Lisle wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > This has seemed to be an intermittent issue that started late in the
> > testing cycle. Not everyone sees it, and it may only occur on certain
> > type of PP Alerts.
> >
> > Please email me privately with details of what you see.
> >
> > thanks,
> > john.
> >
> > At 04:18 PM 11/26/2013, C.G. Ouimet wrote:
> >> --snip --
> >>
> >> When clicking the Potential Problems icon in Family View or Pedigree
> >> View opens up Potential Problems which is good. But Clicking to view
> >> details, right clicking to exclude problems or shift-right clicking
> >> to change problem settings all result in Legacy hanging.
> >>
> >> Windows 7 ?
> >>
> >> C.G. Ouimet
> >> Kingston ON
> >




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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Installation - GLBF797.tmp

2013-11-27 Thread John B. Lisle

Gene,

Are you using the Free Avast AV or the Avast Internet Security? I
believe the problem is with the Internet Security version only. Some
of the secondary Windows issues are only appearing with Win 7 and above.

john.

At 08:08 AM 11/27/2013, Gene Young wrote:
>On 11/26/2013 7:38 PM, Sherry/Support wrote:
> > That's a problem with Avast. Turn it off when you do an install
> or update of Legacy.
> >
> > I just switched to a different AV program since I was getting
> tired of dealing with this every time there was a test update!
> >
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Sherry
> > Technical Support
> > Legacy Family Tree
> >
> >
>
>I run Avast and I just installed Legacy 8.  No problems, no
>warnings.  It may not be the simplest anti-virus program to use but,
>as with all software, the more you learn about it the better it
>appears to become and the easier it becomes to use.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] PP Alert Details Hang [was: Legacy 8]

2013-11-27 Thread John B. Lisle

Teresa,

You setup the GAPs parameters in the Potential
Problems Report. The settings you use there are
in effect for all of the PP Alerts.

john.

At 07:32 AM 11/27/2013, Teresa Goatham wrote:
>I even managed to get Legacy to crash trying to turn off a Potential
>problem - not sure exactly what I did, now though, and it has'nt
>happened a 2nd time (but I have turned more off)
>
>It seems strange to me that if I hover over the PP icon I get options to
>change my overall settings, but not to mark that particular possible
>problem as not an issue. Especially the gaps, there are loads I'd like
>to be able to switch off quickly; I know they're not a problem without
>clicking to see the details.
>
>So many I may just turn off reporting for the gaps, good idea, but the
>numbers used just don't work for much of my tree. I wish I could change
>them, e.g. at one time most of the working class in England (i.e. most
>people) were expecting a child when they married, so less than an 8 mth
>gap between marriage and 1st child's baptism was probably the norm,
>certainly very common. At other periods or classes it was rare, hence
>being able to the change from 8 mths would be useful.
>
>Teresa
>
>On 26/11/2013 22:31, John B. Lisle wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > This has seemed to be an intermittent issue that
> > started late in the testing cycle. Not everyone
> > sees it, and it may only occur on certain type of PP Alerts.
> >
> > Please email me privately with details of what you see.
> >
> > thanks,
> > john.
> >
> > At 04:18 PM 11/26/2013, C.G. Ouimet wrote:
> >> --snip --
> >>
> >> When clicking the Potential Problems icon in
> >> Family View or Pedigree View opens up Potential
> >> Problems which is good. But Clicking to view
> >> details, right clicking to exclude problems or
> >> shift-right clicking to change problem
> settings all result in Legacy hanging.
> >>
> >> Windows 7 Â
> >>
> >> C.G. Ouimet
> >> Kingston ON




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Re: [LegacyUG] open file Legacy8

2013-11-27 Thread John B. Lisle

Randy,
Legacy 8 has lots of flexibility with respect to files.
The first thing you need to do is go to option 12.5 to reset how you
select a new file.
I also have a lot of files. I have them in a folder on my D drive. That
is where I expect to find a file. So... I set Option 6.1 to that folder
and that is where Legacy always starts with the navigation.
Option 1.2 controls which Family file to open when you start
Legacy.
Now... do you see the big L in a circle on the top left? Click on that
and you will see the list of the last 10 Family Files that you have
opened.
Does this answer your question?
john.

At 11:35 AM 11/27/2013, you wrote:
I almost always want to start
with my main file but then want to switch. See my response to
Ron.

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:30 AM, C.G. Ouimet
 wrote:

How about the option to âAlways Open this Fileâ?

Â 

Â 

C.G. Ouimet

Kingston ON

Â 

From: Randy Clark
[
mailto:ceddaco...@gmail.com] 

Sent: November 27, 2013 11:25 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] open file Legacy8

Â 

I changed it to "Always prompt" but it still brings up the
list of file locations found and doesn't allow me go directly to the
desired file.

Â 

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Sherry/Support
<
she...@legacyfamilytree.com> wrote:

Go to Options > Customize > General Settings to select your
option for

"Starting Family File"

Sincerely,

Sherry

Technical Support

Legacy Family Tree

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Randy Clark

wrote:

> I mistakenly told it to always show me a list of files from
which to pick.

> How do I let it allow me to navigate to the file?

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RE: [LegacyUG] open file Legacy8

2013-11-27 Thread John B. Lisle

Nope. That is where they are for the Microsoft Applications.
john.
At 12:14 PM 11/27/2013, C.G. Ouimet wrote:
Cool  Odd place though

C.G. Ouimet
Kingston ON

From: Randy Clark
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Sent: November 27, 2013 12:07 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] open file Legacy8

I think you can see them by clicking the big "L" in the upper
left.

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, C.G. Ouimet
 wrote:
A list of recent files would be helpful like you get with MS Office
applications. Especially useful when you pin favourites ...

C.G. Ouimet
Kingston ON

-Original Message-
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Sent: November 27, 2013 11:44 AM
To:

LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] open file Legacy8
Sherry,
I don't think that is what Randy was referring to.  He was talking
about the action of the File->Open File function.  By default, it
asks if you want a list of Legacy Files or to use the Windows File
Manager.  It also has options to say always use one or the
other.  The problem is once you've chosen one of those Always
options, you seem to be stuck with it.  There's nothing under
File->Open File or under Customize to change or undo the
selection.
I did find that Restore Legacy Defaults will reset the function of
File->File Open.  However, that also wipes out any other
customizations.  Tried getting around that by saving my
customizations before resetting to Legacy defaults, but when I then
restored my User Defaults, it also returned the File->File-Open action
to the locked in mode.
An alternative that might work is to save customizations on a section by
section basis, excluding the General Settings, then do a global reset to
Legacy Defaults, and then restore each section of customized settings,
and manually reset the General Settings.  This of course assumes
that the File->File Open option setting is saved and restored with the
General Settings even though there is no function to set/reset it on the
General Settings list.

Randy,
Another workaround for you might be, with Legacy closed, to go to Windows
file manager, find your .fdb file and double click it.  It should
open in Legacy.  Thereafter, it should be on that Legacy File List
that your File->Open File function is locked in to.
-Original Message-
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LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] open file Legacy8
Go to Options > Customize > General Settings to select your option
for "Starting Family File"

Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree

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wrote:
> I mistakenly told it to always show me a list of files from which to
pick.
> How do I let it allow me to navigate to the
file?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Shared events

2013-11-27 Thread John B. Lisle

Brant,
The Legacy Shared Event Gedcom export is "standard" in the
sense that it is virtually identical to what Roots Magic does. We have
tested that RM Gedcoms with shared events can import into Legacy and vice
versa.
The problem for us TNG users is TNG. TNG does not support Shared Events.
I and others have raised the issue on the TNG Users list, but he has not
committed to implementing shared events. Until he does, I feel I cannot
use this important new functionality.
I ask you and other on this list who use TNG to raise the request with
TNG and maybe if enough people ask, it will get on his radar. Considering
that two desk top apps have the functionality and implement Gedcoms the
same, it would seem like it is something he should do.
john.

At 11:49 AM 11/27/2013, Brant Gibbard wrote:
Has anyone had a chance to
experiment with Shared Events, and if so, what was your experience with
it. I am particularly interested in seeing how gedcom export is handled.
To the best of my knowledge gedcom does not intrinsically support shared
events. What happens when a shared event is exported to gedcom? Is a
separate event made for each participant? I ask because I publish
my data through TNG, and I would like to have some idea as to whether
shared events will cooperate with my scenario.
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Re: [LegacyUG] import Version 7 custom settings to V8

2013-11-27 Thread John B. Lisle

Sorry Gene,

You need to start from scratch. The customization approach is just
too different between the versions.

I work on two monitors. I opened L7.5 on one and L8 on the other and
just tried to map one set to the other.

Please note the Design menu in the top right. That is where you want
to start your customization. You control building your Toolbars from there.

john.

At 12:26 PM 11/27/2013, Gene Young wrote:
>Has anyone seen how, or if, this is possible?  A quick search of the
>help file did not turn up any reference to this.
>--
>
>Gene Young
>Researching Young, Harer, Cox & Sallada
>With Legacy Family Tree
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RE: [LegacyUG] Shared events

2013-11-27 Thread John B. Lisle



Paul,
The shared event Gedcom tags are proprietary tags. Gedcom 5.5.1 knows
nothing of Shared Events.
Many vendors have "agreed" on certain standard proprietary
tags. Agreed may be too strong. They look at how other vendors handle it
and mimic the same implementation. You see on several features outside
the standard. 
And most vendors - including Legacy - tweak their Gedcom import depending
on what software is the source of the Gedcom. For instance, Legacy has a
lot of special code for importing Family Tree Maker Gedcoms as they are
so different from the standard. The source is embedded in the
Gedcom.
john.
At 01:12 PM 11/27/2013, Paul Gray wrote:
John,
 
Is the shared event actually maintained on export as a shared event and
imported as such, or is it turned into separate events for each person? I
wasnât aware that the GEDCOM standard actually recognized âtrue
shared eventsâ, but if it does thatâs a pleasant surprise. Or, maybe
âcustomâ or ânon-standardâ tags are being used by both RM and
Legacy.
 
Paul Gray
 
From: John B. Lisle
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Sent: November-27-13 10:50 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared events
 
Brant,
The Legacy Shared Event Gedcom export is "standard" in the
sense that it is virtually identical to what Roots Magic does. We have
tested that RM Gedcoms with shared events can import into Legacy and vice
versa.
The problem for us TNG users is TNG. TNG does not support Shared Events.
I and others have raised the issue on the TNG Users list, but he has not
committed to implementing shared events. Until he does, I feel I cannot
use this important new functionality.
I ask you and other on this list who use TNG to raise the request with
TNG and maybe if enough people ask, it will get on his radar. Considering
that two desk top apps have the functionality and implement Gedcoms the
same, it would seem like it is something he should do.
john.

At 11:49 AM 11/27/2013, Brant Gibbard wrote:
Has anyone had a chance to experiment with Shared Events, and if so, what
was your experience with it. I am particularly interested in seeing how
gedcom export is handled. To the best of my knowledge gedcom does not
intrinsically support shared events. What happens when a shared event is
exported to gedcom? Is a separate event made for each participant? 
I ask because I publish my data through TNG, and I would like to have
some idea as to whether shared events will cooperate with my
scenario.
 
Brant Gibbard
Toronto, ON
http://bgibbard.ca 
 
 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Options Selections

2013-11-27 Thread John B. Lisle

Kay,

In general, you want to read the help to see if
that give more information about the options.

Tagging - Yes, turn it on. I am surprised that it
was not on from the start. It has always with L8 been on by default.

FamilySearch Integration. I turn it on for the
cases where I want to look at the FamilySearch
module for more clues. When it is on, you will
see small gray left and right arrows next to
names in Family View and Pedigree View. If you
never intend to use FS, leave it off. You can
turn it on later without hurting anything.

john.

At 01:27 PM 11/27/2013, Kay wrote:
>I just got my codes  and am setting up version 8.
>
>1)  Do I want a check next to Integrate with
>FamilySearch?   What will that do?
>2)  And Enable tagging options  it is not
>checked now  but I was assuming I want this?  Yes? No?  And why?
>Thanks a bunch  Kay

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RE: [LegacyUG] open file Legacy8

2013-11-27 Thread John B. Lisle

Yes and No...

Look at the top right corner. There is a menu labelled Design which
has several over all style options.

john.

At 01:41 PM 11/27/2013, C.G. Ouimet wrote:
>Found it ...
>
>The "Tab Style" in the "Options Ribbon" has different Styles than in
>"Design" ...
>
>
>C.G. Ouimet
>Kingston ON
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
>Sent: November 27, 2013 01:28 PM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] open file Legacy8
>
>You can find the list of recent files in one of two places,
>depending on the choice you made for the style under the design
>setting in the upper right, For Office 2007 styles the recent files
>are, as C.G. said, found by click the big L. For the Office 2010
>style however the recent file list is found on the System menu item.
>
>Sorry, no option to pin favourites to the recent file list though.
>
>Brian
>Customer Support
>Millennia Corporation
>br...@legacyfamilytree.com
>http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
>
>On 27/11/2013 1206, Randy Clark wrote:
> > I think you can see them by clicking the big "L" in the upper left.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, C.G. Ouimet
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> >
> >> A list of recent files would be helpful like you get with MS Office
> >> applications. Especially useful when you pin favourites ...
> >>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Shared events

2013-11-27 Thread John B. Lisle

Paul,

We can attach multiple copies of events in Legacy 7 using the
clipboard. But each of those is a separate copy, so if you want to
edit one, you have to edit them all.

A shared event means one copy that gets attached everywhere.

Think of the example of a census listing. The head of the household
would get the original event. Then you could share that event with
all of the other members of the household. But, you not only share
the event, but also assign a role that the other person plays - eg,
Family Member. You could also share it with someone who may not be in
your family file, like a boarder, servant etc who was in the
household, as a "Member of Household". You could also share it with
the census enumerator. You can add notes specific to each sharing.

Baptisms, Weddings, and other such vital events can be shared.
However, you cannot share an event with a family, only individuals.

I created a Custom Event called Family Event. I used it for a
person's birthday event. I attached pictures from the event and did a
write-up in the notes about the event that shared it with each of the
people attending.

john.

At 01:53 PM 11/27/2013, Paul Gray wrote:
>I think one example might be residence (or census) events where one
>records the entire family unit in one event, and then attaches it to
>(for example) father, mother, and each of the children.
>
>Paul Gray
>
>-Original Message-
>From: singhals [mailto:singh...@erols.com]
>Sent: November-27-13 11:45 AM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared events
>
>Brant Gibbard wrote:
> > Has anyone had a chance to experiment with Shared Events, and if so,
> > what was your experience with it. I am particularly interested in
> > seeing how gedcom export is handled. To the best of my knowledge
> > gedcom does not intrinsically support shared events. What happens when
> > a shared event is exported to gedcom? Is a separate event made for
> > each participant? I ask because I publish my data through TNG, and I
> > would like to have some idea as to whether shared events will
> > cooperate with my scenario.
>
>U ... can someone explain why a Shared Event matters on export?
>
>MY personal interest in Shared Events is so I can slap a "Served in
>World War I" label on 25 different people, without typing it 25 separate times.
>
>It's sounding as if others using it in some other way that my mind
>is finding obscure?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Cheryl
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Shared events

2013-11-27 Thread John B. Lisle

Dave,
I do not know how Geoff teaches that you transcribe a census event...
But, as I publish my research using TNG, I have to consider how the
Gedcom will export and import. Until TNG supports Shared events, I cannot
use them in my research.
As a result, I transcribe the census listing into the notes field. When I
export to Gedcom, I select the options to keep embedded codes, convert
them to HTML format, and make space strings "web
friendly".
That said you, if you are doing this just for reports and want to use
shared events, you do this
1/ Add the person to the share
2/ Assign a role, create new role if needed.
3/ Then edit the Role where you can add a specific note relative to that
person in that role. You could copy the census transcription note to that
note and highlight it as you need.
Note that you have flexibility as to which or both notes are to be used
in sentences.
Now, if Geoff is teaching to put the transcription in a source, then, no,
I do not think you can do what you want to do.
john.
At 02:27 PM 11/27/2013, Dave Johnson wrote:
If you use Shared Events for
Census records, and you transcribe the Census Record as Geoff Described
in his Webinar, you may not be satisfied with the result.Â  It
appears that any event that is shared cannot be modified.Â  It
appears that there is only one occurrence of the shared event.Â  So
if I want to highlight the head of the house in his/her Legacy record,
and I want to highlight each individual in the family in their Legacy
records, you cannot used a shared event.
Â 
At least that is what I have learned after trying several times.
Â 
Dave

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 2:20 PM, singhals

wrote:

Thanks, Paul.

That would never have occurred to me. Â Maybe I've had more

practice at shooting myself in the foot that others? ;)

Cheryl

Paul Gray wrote:

> I think one example might be residence (or census) events where
one records the entire family unit in one event, and then attaches it to
(for example) father, mother, and each of the children.

>

> Paul Gray

>

> -Original Message-

> From: singhals
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> Sent: November-27-13 11:45 AM

> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared events

>

> Brant Gibbard wrote:

>> Has anyone had a chance to experiment with Shared Events,
and if so,

>> what was your experience with it. I am particularly
interested in

>> seeing how gedcom export is handled. To the best of my
knowledge

>> gedcom does not intrinsically support shared events. What
happens when

>> a shared event is exported to gedcom? Is a separate event
made for

>> each participant? I ask because I publish my data through
TNG, and I

>> would like to have some idea as to whether shared events
will

>> cooperate with my scenario.

>

> U ... can someone explain why a Shared Event matters on
export?

>

> MY personal interest in Shared Events is so I can slap a
"Served in World War I" label on 25 different people, without
typing it 25 separate times.

>

> It's sounding as if others using it in some other way that my
mind is finding obscure?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Cheryl

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Re: [LegacyUG] Options Selections

2013-11-27 Thread John B. Lisle

Mike,

When you install the program, you do have a few customizations to
choose. Is that what you are talking about?

I agree, those selections do not have associated Help files.

However, in the real Customize tool, there is associated help.
Everything you can set in the beginning can be changed later in the
real Customization tool.

When you open the Customize function, you can open the associated
help at the same time. I have both sitting on my laptop screen as I type this.

john.

At 05:28 PM 11/27/2013, Mike Fry wrote:
>On 2013/11/27 21:36, John B. Lisle wrote:
>
> > In general, you want to read the help to see if
> > that give more information about the options.
>
>That's a bit of a Catch-22 situation. You can't view the Help without having
>installed the program first and by default, the program starts
>running and wants
>you to configure it, but you have to cancel that so you can read the help and
>then you can't get back to where you were in the configuration process.
>
>--
>Regards,
>Mike Fry
>Johannesburg (g)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Delete 7.5?

2013-11-27 Thread John B. Lisle



Bryan,
I do not know if you are one who is adding a lot of media to your Family
Files, but the new tools for media are going to make life much easier
dealing with any media.
Start by setting 6.2 to define for each family file what folder you want
to use as your default folder for media.
Then check out the tools Gather Media and Media Relinker. Some folks used
those tools to find photos buried who knows where on their PC and move
them into organized folders to make moving your family file from one
computer to another a dream. And the Media Galleries where you add new
media to your family file have much more functionality. 
I was able to add 100s of media to my Family File in an afternoon.

This is just one of the features we gained with the new user
interface.
john.

At 11:03 PM 11/27/2013, Bryan Pratt wrote:
Tut, tut, Ron. Do you begrudge
the work (as a software/web man) spent by many on any work as
âmere additional functionsâ? You seem to be damning with faint
praise. 
Quote: âAs it is, V8.0 does give this, especially with Event Sharing,
the return of the 5 sourcing 
options, the loss of which was lamented by many of us, the improved
Family 
Search option (although I recognise the caveats with family trees) and I

really do like the new design options, and much more.â
Thatâs err, 4+ reasons I think, at last count, that you might want to
part out a few pounds.
Bryan in NZ

Sent from Windows Mail
From: Ron
Ferguson
Sent: âThursdayâ, âNovemberâ â28â, â2013
â4â:â59â âAM
To:
Legacy
Carl,
Whilst I agree with your praise for the Legacy program, and I am sure
that 
Legacy will be delighted with your undoubted loyalty, you have not given
me 
one reason why I would spend money to upgrade.
For me, I need to see technical improvements, and/or, additional
functions 
which I need - not the same as mere additional functions!! As it is, V8.0

does give this, especially with Event Sharing, the return of the 5
sourcing 
options, the loss of which was lamented by many of us, the improved
Family 
Search option (although I recognise the caveats with family trees) and I

really do like the new design options, and much more.
Are there things which I would have liked which are not there? Sure but

there is sufficient there to raise my interest.
Ron Ferguson
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Re: [LegacyUG] bookmarks defaulting to Males

2013-11-27 Thread John B. Lisle

Kathy,

I am not seeing this with Quick Bookmarks, but you seem to be correct
for Regular Bookmarks. However, it would appear that Regular
bookmarks are book marking couples, not individuals so highlighting
the male may just be a convention.

You are free to submit a suggestion. ;-)

john.

PS: If the processing is going out by time received, folks have to
take into account, what time their order would have been taken in
Mountain Time.

To assure you there is no favoritism, I am also still waiting for my
Customer number. Thankfully, I still have the number we got to use
for the testing. ;-)

You can use this time to learn all of the intricacies of the new
Customization and the new Media tools: Media Gallery, Gather Media,
and Media Relinker. These are standard feature tools that are brand
new and very powerful.

At 10:52 PM 11/27/2013, Kathy Thompson wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Just wondering please, is there a way to get the bookmarks to
>actually record and keep in mind which person of a couple was being bookmarked?
>
>I've bookmarked a number of women in my tree, yet Each and Every
>time I click their bookmark, it goes to the marriage for the
>bookmark but sits on the male, not the female.
>
>If I wanted to bookmark the male I would have bookmarked him.
>
>This isn't new to L8, it was there in L7.5 as well but it's annoyed
>me enough now and I'd like to know how to fix it (if possible)
>
>Thanks

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Re: [LegacyUG] Customised Directory Structure

2013-11-27 Thread John B. Lisle

David,

Yes and no.

One of the security and robustness features of L8 is that it can be
installed in your Program Files folder. To do that, all of the
internal files that Legacy manipulates had to be moved to a separate
folder that windows does not require the user to be operating in
Administrator mode to manipulate. The user files have been placed in
a Legacy structure in your My Documents folder.

You can install Legacy somewhere else but you will be giving up some
program security. I do not know how Support is going to respond to
problems when you are not installed as expected.

Many of the files in the My Documents structure are "hard-coded" into
that folder. However, windows does have a facility for moving your My
Documents elsewhere. I have done this on one PC to put them on a D
drive partition.

I have a D drive folder where I collect all of my Family Files. I
have about 50 in use at any time. I set my option 6.1 to the name of
that folder so when I want to open a file, it looks there first.

As I use TNG, I sort my media for each family file into folders under
\media\ in the Family file folder that match where I put the media
when I upload to TNG.

As a result, I need to go to the My Documents folder only when trying
to do testing stuff. The program is in Program files on my C drive
and my data (FF & Media & gedcoms etc) are in a Legacy Family Files folder.

All of this is very easy with Legacy 8.

john.

At 11:38 PM 11/27/2013, David Cripps wrote:
>Like most Legacy users I've downloaded version 8 to take a peek and
>a test drive.
>
>One thing that has occurred to me straight away, and it is a
>question I haven't seen asked as yet.
>
>Can  I  have  the  install done so that the entire directory structure
>exists under C:\Legacy8, data files and all ?
>
>I like to have everything in the one place if possible and I've been
>very comfortable with it like
>this on many previous versions, particularly version 7.5.
>
>Thanks
>Dave Cripps in Tasmania
>
>
>
>
>  --
>  David Cripps,  Tasmania 
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] V8 Family View marriage status

2013-11-27 Thread John B. Lisle

Mike,

Check out Option 8.10

john.

At 11:52 PM 11/27/2013, Mike wrote:
>I'm not seeing the marriage status displayed for couples in the Family View
>in Version 8 (i.e. Divorced, Separated  etc.).
>
>Is anyone else experiencing this? Is there some new option I have
>overlooked?
>
>Thanks,
>Mike
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Date Validation,.

2013-11-28 Thread John B. Lisle

Ian, et al,
I want to address your issue of Warning message will not close.
If you see something like this in the future, one step to try before you
terminate program in task manager is the enter alt-Tab. Some error
conditions open an error message that is hidden "behind" the
Legacy window and needs to be brought to the front.
john.

At 05:01 AM 11/28/2013, Ian Gardener wrote:
I'm not using quotes :)
I enter the date the same way I have for years and get the error
message/window. The real problem is that the warning window will NOT
close no matter what I do. I had to terminate the program using task
manager.
It would not even let me change the date! I tried entering just 1954 but
it gave the same error Â message WITH the original date I entered back in
the date field.

On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Cathy Pinner

wrote:

Hi Ian,

I'm not sure I get some of what you've said.

Date Options are at Options - Customise - 5.

Is that where you set the date separator?

I assume you're not including the quotes.

I just entered "c 01/1954" without any problem and it
converted to "cir Jan 1954"

cir is just an awful abbreviation as far as I'm concerned so you can
see I don't use the c dates much as I haven't altered the
display.

I have full date checking on. You turn it on again at 5.5

I entered "c01/1954" without the space between c and 01 and
got a warning.

Note you don't need to use the separator when adding dates. A space
is enough.

I wonder what settings we have different that gives you an
error?

Cathy

At 05:34 PM 28/11/2013, you wrote:

Ã I just switched to V8 today. I'm trying to enter the date "c
01/1954" and no matter what format I type it won't accept it. BUT
the real problem is that date checking brings up the warning screen (I
have checking turned on) but no matter what I do I cannot move past that
warning window.

Deleting the date just produces the same warning, as does telling it
to accept the date and ignore warnings, clicking the X to close it &
turning date validation off. There is seemingly no way back from
this?

In previous versions I could enter the date as "c 01/1954"
or "c01/1954".

**I have date separator set to "/".

Ian GARDENER - Australia

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Re: [LegacyUG] Integrate with Family Search

2013-11-28 Thread John B. Lisle

Ron,
Let me both agree and disagree with you about FamilySearch.
I agree entirely that FamilySearch tree has lots of problem information
on it. However, it has lots of excellent research also that you may not
find elsewhere online.
Prior to the Legacy 8 testing cycle, I was somewhat skeptical of it also;
however, I became more comfortable with it as a research tool as the
testing continued. 
I am not the only person who is trying to do serious research who has
come to this conclusion.
I know for a fact that many researchers from the Guild of One Name
Studies (London) are now using FS Tree as a backup repository for their
research. 
When you start to address the question of where can I archive my research
so that it not lost when I pass away, knowing that having it incorporated
in the FS Tree can be a way to preserve your research. 
Sure, others will now be able to change your data, but FST is designed so
nothing is lost. 
I have high hopes that over next 5-10-20 years the quality of the data in
that tree will improve as serious researchers clean it up and document
their assertions with source materials.
I have now taken the step in my default Family File setup always to
integrate with Family Search. This does not mean that any of your data
will automatically be downloaded to FS nor does it mean that any of the
FS data is automatically upload to your Legacy tree. 
What it means is that, if you open the Legacy Family Search module when
pointing to person in your database, FS will try to find that person from
your family file in the FS tree database. If it is successful, and you
choose, you can link those people together so that the FamilySearch ID
for the person is now in your record for the person. 
Yes, you can also share your information with the FS tree and you can add
information from FS to your family file, but those can be optional step
under your control.
The debate should not be on the quality of the data but on whether or not
FamilySearch is tool that can further my research. Personally, I am not
going to dismiss a clue to further my research by ignoring what is in the
FS tree.
john.

At 08:51 AM 11/28/2013, Ron Bernier wrote:
Ron,
The points that you are making are exactly why I will not link my
database to FamilySearch.Â  Before someone on the list jumps down my
throat and tells me I am being foolish, they need to carefully read the
fact that I said I will not link my database to FamilySearch.Â  I
will and do avail myself of the information on FS, but I manually search
their database and manually enter any information that I deem is useful
for my database.Â  I have no desire to sort through fifty people
that FamilySearch's databaseÂ has determined are a match for the one
person inÂ my database.
The FamilySearch database is already fraught with duplicate information,
incorrect information, incomplete information.Â  These errors and
duplications will grow exponentially as more and more folks decide to
connect to FamilySearch and continue to perpetuate the duplications and
errors.
Ron Bernier
Woonsocket, RI

On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 4:13 AM, Ron Ferguson
<
ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

Mike,

That is pretty much what I am politely(?) trying to say.

The powers that be seem to think that there are sufficient controls
in place to ensure their data is not corrupted. I am less than
convinced.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

Mike Fry

wrote:

>On 2013/11/28 01:19, Ron Ferguson wrote:
>
>> Whilst Family Search is based on user submitted data, with
all the problems
>> that brings, we can now also amend that data, and with the
best will in the
>> world I cannot but see how this is not going to worsen the
quality of the
>> data.
>
>Don't you think that facilities like this, improperly used, will
only add to the
>mess that was the IGI? After all, the FamilySearch database does
include a lot
>of what was in the IGI.
>
>--
>Regards,
>Mike Fry
>Johannesburg (g)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Research Notes Problem in V8

2013-11-28 Thread John B. Lisle



Steve,
I am curious, why did you populate your Legacy 8 family file with a
Gedcom file?
With L8, you can either copy your L7.5 file and place it wherever you
want to hold L8 files or let Legacy do copying when you open the file.
Then when you open file in L8, a proper conversion of the data is
accomplished.
Importing a Gedcom is going to cause a slight loss of data because L7.5
does not export all of the fields. (L8 does a much better job for
allowing you to use a Gedcom file as an archive.) That said, if you are
using SourceWriter, Gedcom necessarily converts your sources to Basic
sources. Still true in L8. 
Check your Gedcom file to see if the Research Notes were even exported.
If they were, 
Try your notes problem again after letting L8 do a conversion on a copy
of your family file.
Please share with us what you find.
thanks,
john. 

At 09:36 AM 11/28/2013, Steve wrote:
Ron
 
To open notes I double click the notes icon on family view, and also
clicked from individuals information.
 
Tried on a different file, same issue i.e. no research notes.
 
Export gedcom from 7.5 and import to V8 same issue.
 
Check/repair no difference.
 
Strangely, some people have research notes, others donât.
 
Steve
 
From: Ron Ferguson

Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 2:28 PM
To:

LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Research Notes Problem in V8
 
 
Steve,
 
From where are you viewing them? Using the Notes
Icon in Family View, mine are fine.
 
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
 
 
From: Steve 
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 11:38 AM
To:

LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Research Notes Problem in V8
 
Hi all
 
I am evaluating V8 standard edition, I have 7.5 deluxe.
 
I have created a copy of my file and allowed the programme to copy and
update to V8.  I have both versions opened side by side.
 
Has anyone noticed their research notes not showing in V8; general and
medical show correctly?  Have I missed a switch?
 
Regards
 
Steve



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RE: [LegacyUG] Customised Directory Structure

2013-11-28 Thread John B. Lisle

Paul,
The new tools really do make this simple.
I have moved and ff and media between PCs and from folder to folder on
same PC with little trouble. The most you might experience is a 5 minute
re-link step.
[My Documents] and a few other generic substitution folder names are
actually in some of the tables and help Legacy manage data
effectively.
For a lot of folks, they are just going to need to try it out to believe
it and understand it.
john.

At 10:55 AM 11/28/2013, Paul Gray wrote:
I agree with everything Cathy
has said. However, there is one caution for those who use Legacy on two
computers such as a desktop and a laptop.

Multimedia links are static. They refer to a âfixedâ path, including
everything from the drive letter all the way down to the file extension.
Itâs quite possible (even likely) that your âMy Documentsâ on one
computer has a different path than your second computer. One possible
reason is that the user name (user profile) is different. If your user
name is James on one computer, and Jimmy on another, the paths to âMy
Documentsâ are different. If you attach your media using computer 1,
the link will reference James in the path. Legacy wonât be able to find
that image on the second computer because the it would need âJimmyâ
in the path to get to My Documents.

So, if one is going to use two computers itâs best to put your
multimedia on a âseparate â drive, most likely a separate
âlogicalâ drive (aka partition) that you can configure identically on
both systems. Â 

Paul Gray

From: Cathy Pinner
[
mailto:genea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: November-28-13 1:48 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Customised Directory Structure

Hi David,
My take on this.
The program installs to the Program Files - and that's the best place for
the program.
A user never needs to go to the Program folder in Legacy 8.
The User Settings files go to [My Documents]\Legacy Family
Tree\_AppData
This is hard wired in Legacy 8 and this folder cannot be moved elsewhere.
If you move it, it will recreate with default settings.
This is where you'll find all those .usr files that are created as you
use different features.
This is where the colorschemes are stored etc etc.
Your Data and Media can be placed wherever you like. As John says, just
let Legacy know where you've put them in Options 6.1 (and 6.2 for the
Media though John doesn't use that, I do and find it really useful when
running on more than one computer)
The Default for the Data and Media are both in folders within the [My
Documents]\Legacy Family Tree\ folder.
So if you want everything together, the best place is [My
Documents]\Legacy Family Tree\ as the _AppData
folder has to be there. But leave the program in Program Files safe from
alteration.
As John says, your [My Documents] folder can be wherever you ask your
computer to move it. The first thing I do when setting up a computer is
to shift the Desktop, My Docs, My Pics, etc, Downloads off the C drive
and onto the D drive. But there's no need to go to these lengths if you
don't mind Programs and Data on the same drive.
Cathy
At 02:04 PM 28/11/2013, you wrote:
  Hello John,

 Thursday, November 28, 2013, 4:17:31 PM, you wrote:

 > David,
> Yes and no.
> One of the security and robustness features of L8 is that it can be

> installed in your Program Files folder. To do that, all of the 
> internal files that Legacy manipulates had to be moved to a separate

> folder that windows does not require the user to be operating in

> Administrator mode to manipulate. The user files have been placed in

> a Legacy structure in your My Documents folder.
> You can install Legacy somewhere else but you will be giving up some

> program security. I do not know how Support is going to respond to

> problems when you are not installed as expected.
Ok,  understood,  so  I  might  wait 
around  on  this List to see the
comments transpire for a bit before taking the plunge.

> Many of the files in the My Documents structure are
"hard-coded" into 
> that folder. However, windows does have a facility for moving your
My 
> Documents elsewhere. I have done this on one PC to put them on a D

> drive partition.
Yes  I'd  thought of it in the past, but not worth considering
perhaps
just to suit Legacy and my "living in the past"
thinking.
> I have a D drive folder where I collect all of my Family Files. I

> have about 50 in use at any time. I set my option 6.1 to the name of

> that folder so when I want to open a file, it looks there
first.
Yep I see that too, and something I need to think about.
I've   never   bothered  that  much 
about  the  Windows  7 structure,
particularly the user files in My Documents etc,  which made me
stumble
across:

http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/how-move-windows-7-personal-folders-my-documents-another-drive.htm

So maybe that's an option too ?
When I think on this, in reality, perhaps it won't matter
that much as long as an a

RE: [LegacyUG] Delete 7.5?

2013-11-28 Thread John B. Lisle



Bill,
Gather Media and Media Relinker are supposed to fix just those problems.
Once you start playing with it, you will see what a great improvement
they are over what we had in L7.5.
Headstone pictures are a problem. I publish my research two ways: With
Legacy Book reports and on the web by exporting a Gedcom to TNG. With
TNG, attaching a picture to a burial vital event is no problem as its
publishing format is more like a Family Group sheet than a Register
report. A Register (or Book) Report does not intrinsically have an
effective format for including photos with vital events, like it does for
Custom Events.
In general, I have moved to using custom events to attach any vital event
pictures to my Family File. AND, using the Media Gallery's Clipboard
facility, have been able to easily move the media from one event to
another easily.
john.
PS: Speaking as a tester and not an employee of Millennia, I think you
made a mistake installing L8 in C:\Legacy8. I know of no tester who has
done that or tested Legacy installed anywhere but the default location.
Prior to L8, you would have been correct to install in a root folder. One
of the key reliability upgrades in L8 is moving to make use of the
Microsoft standards for data and program separation and getting the
protection afforded by the same. It is likely going to limit you moving
forward and you may have bugs we did not see because little or no testing
was done in your configuration. When you have a support issue, you will
need to tell them you are not installed in standard location. I cannot
stress enough how important the L8 new install structure is.

At 10:22 AM 11/28/2013, William Boswell wrote:
I've had problems finding image
files in Legacy 7.Â  I'd put grave photos under Burial Pictures (the
plus sign to the right of Buried on the Individual's Information).Â 
Then when I go to the place where I linked other photos of the person,
the grave photos are not there.Â  I got the feeling that I had
photos all over the place hidden then ended up attaching them again and
entering facts that go with the photos.
 
I haven't experimented with the new photo features in version 8 yet, but
I hope it has been improved.
 
I was always at odds with attaching grave photos with a burial since it
has nothing to do with the actual burial.Â  I do have a few photos
of actual funerals, but mostly grave stones taken maybe 100 or more years
after burial.Â  I was never sure where the grave photos
belong.Â  It would be nice to have all photos in the same place so
they don't get lost.
 
I'm very happy with version 8 and I consider this a major release and
improvement over Legacy 7/7.5.Â  I also like the interface.Â 
Since I use Microsoft Office 2007 and am used to the ribbon, there is no
learning curve for me.Â  There was when I first got Office 2007
years ago so those not used to the new interface may find it strange at
first until you get used to it.
 
Bill Boswell
 
From: John B. Lisle
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mailto:leg...@tqsi.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:59 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Delete 7.5?
 
Bryan,
I do not know if you are one who is adding a lot of media to your Family
Files, but the new tools for media are going to make life much easier
dealing with any media.
Start by setting 6.2 to define for each family file what folder you want
to use as your default folder for media.
Then check out the tools Gather Media and Media Relinker. Some folks used
those tools to find photos buried who knows where on their PC and move
them into organized folders to make moving your family file from one
computer to another a dream. And the Media Galleries where you add new
media to your family file have much more functionality. 
I was able to add 100s of media to my Family File in an afternoon.

This is just one of the features we gained with the new user
interface.
john.

At 11:03 PM 11/27/2013, Bryan Pratt wrote:
Tut, tut, Ron. Do you begrudge the work (as a software/web man) spent by
many on any work as Ã¢ÂÂmere additional functionsÃ¢ÂÂ? You
seem to be damning with faint praise. 
Quote: Ã¢ÂÂAs it is, V8.0 does give this, especially with Event
Sharing, the return of the 5 sourcing 
options, the loss of which was lamented by many of us, the improved
Family 
Search option (although I recognise the caveats with family trees) and I

really do like the new design options, and much more.Ã¢ÂÂ
ThatÃ¢ÂÂs err, 4+ reasons I think, at last count, that you might want
to part out a few pounds.
Bryan in NZ

Sent from Windows Mail
From: Ron
Ferguson
To:
Legacy

Carl,
Whilst I agree with your praise for the Legacy program, and I am sure
that 
Legacy will be delighted with your undoubted loyalty, you have not given
me 
one reason why I would spend money to upgrade.
For me, I need to see technical improvements, and/or, additional
functions 
which I need - not the same as mere additional functions!! As it is, V8.0

does give this,

RE: [LegacyUG] Directory structure

2013-11-28 Thread John B. Lisle

Bill,

1/ Norton and UAC are handling two different classes of threats.

2/ Personally, I found that Norton took too much control of my PC;
Email especially became a serious problem. IT folks whom I trust
recommended Avast several years ago and I have not regretted it.

3/ I do all sorts of stuff on my PC, including some development, and
have never felt a need to turn off UAC. If you are using well
developed software that follows the rules, it should not be a problem.

4/ Could you please describe what specific operations you do that
requires UAC off? I would hate to have someone on this list take that
advice when they do not need to do it and then find themselves
damaging some crucial data.

thanks,
john.

At 02:43 PM 11/28/2013, William Boswell wrote:
>I use Norton security software and never had a problem with
>viruses.  UAC is just annoying because it pops up every time I want
>to make changes within a program.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Mike Fry [mailto:emjay...@gmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 11:47 AM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Directory structure
>
>On 2013/11/28 18:41, William Boswell wrote:
>
> > I don't use UAC.  It's turned off because it's annoying.  I'm
> running Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit.
>
>Guess I should add you to my list of suspect emailers :-)
>
>--
>Regards,
>Mike Fry
>Johannesburg (g)
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Location Database Ver 8

2013-11-28 Thread John B. Lisle

Jay,
I am still using the GeoDB I installed in L5 or L6.
L8 has changed how Legacy deals with the GeoDB.
--> The instructions that are on

http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/GeoDownload.asp
Do not apply to L8!!
Check out the Help message on this topic. And the link to it on the Tools
menu which will help you install it the first time you need it.
Basically, instead of having to merge 6 pieces, you can now download an
installer that has all of the pieces. OR you can tell Legacy8 where you
have it installed and it will get it from there.
I have not tested this for a while, so some details may be slightly
off.
john.

At 04:07 PM 11/28/2013, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
I have upgraded from Ver 7 to
Ver 8 and will probably eventually delete my C:\Legacy\ folder where Ver
7 was installed.Â
But within that folder is my \Geo\ Â folder which holds my Â
Location Database Â
or so I assuming as I did not get any question or indication when I
installed Ver 8 in regards to the Geo Location Database.Â
Shouldn't the install of Ver 8 asked me if I would want to move any files
/settings from Ver 7 to the new default locations?Â
Or am I missing something?Â

JayÂ

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RE: [LegacyUG] Integrate with Family Search

2013-11-28 Thread John B. Lisle



Bill,
The issue of preserving research is a difficult one. I do not buy into
the "I won't give it to ancestry because they charge money
club". It is another place to park your research. Share your tree -
at least for viewing - with other people and someway someone is always
going to have access to your information.
Further, you can submit your tree for free to RootsWeb WorldConnect. You,
or your designated heir, can have full control of the tree. The tree
cannot as easily have pictures (but they can be preserved within the
RootsWeb FreePages... and linked into the tree...) but the results are
also available to users doing ancestry searches.
You can also deposit your research  - maybe with a donation ;-) - to
the NEHGS. But they do not have an electronic archive policy
yet.
Lastly, you can join the Guild of One Name Studies
(www.one-name.org
), and they have an electronic archive for members, even if you have not
registered a surname study. AND, there is discussion of possibly
something like a TNG archiving service in the future.
To preserve your research, you really need to look at all
alternatives.
john.

At 04:00 PM 11/28/2013, William Boswell wrote:
You've brought up an interesting
dilemma.Â  What to do with our data before we pass away.Â  I've
thought about sending my entire tree to FamilySearch only because it's
the only website that doesn't charge subscriber fees.Â  Personally I
don't like Ancestry because they profit from our research.Â  At
least FS has free digital images for sources.Â  At Ancestry, you can
get a membership and add source images to your online tree, cancel your
subscription then those images are no longer available even though you
already paid for them.
 
I do worry about the problem of my carefully researched data getting
muddled just so non-serious researchers can add more names to jack up
their numbers.Â  This is frequently done in Ancestry member
trees.Â  I've seen my own direct-line ancestors added to families
where they don't belong.
 
I added and updated information yesterday at FS with hopes that more
information will be available for certain people where I do not have
birth or death dates.
 
Bill Boswell
 
From: John B. Lisle
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mailto:leg...@tqsi.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 11:54 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Integrate with Family Search
 
Ron,
Let me both agree and disagree with you about FamilySearch.
I agree entirely that FamilySearch tree has lots of problem information
on it. However, it has lots of excellent research also that you may not
find elsewhere online.
Prior to the Legacy 8 testing cycle, I was somewhat skeptical of it also;
however, I became more comfortable with it as a research tool as the
testing continued. 
I am not the only person who is trying to do serious research who has
come to this conclusion.
I know for a fact that many researchers from the Guild of One Name
Studies (London) are now using FS Tree as a backup repository for their
research. 
When you start to address the question of where can I archive my research
so that it not lost when I pass away, knowing that having it incorporated
in the FS Tree can be a way to preserve your research. 
Sure, others will now be able to change your data, but FST is designed so
nothing is lost. 
I have high hopes that over next 5-10-20 years the quality of the data in
that tree will improve as serious researchers clean it up and document
their assertions with source materials.
I have now taken the step in my default Family File setup always to
integrate with Family Search. This does not mean that any of your data
will automatically be downloaded to FS nor does it mean that any of the
FS data is automatically upload to your Legacy tree. 
What it means is that, if you open the Legacy Family Search module when
pointing to person in your database, FS will try to find that person from
your family file in the FS tree database. If it is successful, and you
choose, you can link those people together so that the FamilySearch ID
for the person is now in your record for the person. 
Yes, you can also share your information with the FS tree and you can add
information from FS to your family file, but those can be optional step
under your control.
The debate should not be on the quality of the data but on whether or not
FamilySearch is tool that can further my research. Personally, I am not
going to dismiss a clue to further my research by ignoring what is in the
FS tree.
john.

At 08:51 AM 11/28/2013, Ron Bernier wrote:
Ron,
The points that you are making are exactly why I will not link my
database to FamilySearch.Ã  Before someone on the list jumps down
my throat and tells me I am being foolish, they need to carefully read
the fact that I said I will not link my database to FamilySearch.Ã 
I will and do avail myself of the information on FS, but I manually
search their database and manually enter any information that I deem

Re: [LegacyUG] Research Notes Problem in V8

2013-11-28 Thread John B. Lisle

Kurt,

Legacy stored all of the notes in the .fdb file.

Jenny,

Are you using a standard edition or Deluxe edition? What Build number
are you using (see Legacy Home Page.) A new build was issued this
morning that may have fixed a problem with notes.

I have not seen this in testing but 99% of my testing has been in Deluxe mode.

Lastly, when converting a file to L8, I recommend using L8 to open L7.5 files.

When you try to open the file, Legacy 8 will give you several
options. The first is to have Legacy copy the family file to your
Option 6.1 folder and then convert the copy, leaving your original L7
family file where it was.

When you let Legacy do the work for you, you know all of the step s
will be done correctly. (or at least this has been our experience so far...)

john.

At 03:09 PM 11/28/2013, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>On 28/11/2013 18:24, Kurt Kneeland wrote:
> > When you copied your V7 version for V8 to convert, did you also copy
> > any supporting files or just the .fdb?  Extended text may be stored
> > in a secondary file.
>
>Well, I said "copied" but what I actually did was Save Family File As...
>from the File menu in V7.
>
>--
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RE: [LegacyUG] Directory structure

2013-11-28 Thread John B. Lisle



Jay, Bill et al,
I disagree. 
UAC is designed to prevent users from inadvertently damaging their
software, preventing some rogue software from doing bad stuff without you
knowing it, etc.
It has been all too common for people to go into their files and start
deleting system files they do not understand and think may be malware.
"I didn't install it, it must be garbage..."
Malware gets on computers before the anti-malware companies can get out
tools to prevent them. That, of course, is the dirty secret of the AV
industry. They can only prevent what they know about and even if it only
takes an hour to get a "vaccine" out for a new bug, in that
hour it could infect your computer. And UAC can minimize what it can
damage.
john.



At 04:21 PM 11/28/2013, William Boswell wrote:
Same here.Â  Nobody uses my
computer except me and I'm very careful about what gets installed on my
computer even though I have updated security protection.
 
UAC is mostly designed for people who don't have or don't update their
security software.
 
From: Jay 1FamilyTree
[
mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 3:37 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Directory structure
 
Agreed
 
UAC   = User Access Control 
 
I am the only user so I dont need to control any access as it all comes
from me. 
 
UAC is designed with the premise that more than one person will use the
computer. 
 
Just FYI
 
 
 
 
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 11:43 AM, William Boswell

wrote:
I use Norton security software and never had a problem with
viruses.  UAC is just annoying because it pops up every time I want
to make changes within a program.
-Original Message-
From: Mike Fry
[
mailto:emjay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 11:47 AM
To:

LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Directory structure
On 2013/11/28 18:41, William Boswell wrote:
> I don't use UAC.  It's turned off because it's annoying. 
I'm running Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit.
Guess I should add you to my list of suspect emailers :-)
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Johannesburg (g)

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RE: [LegacyUG] High CPU usage

2013-11-28 Thread John B. Lisle



Gavin, et al,
I am not an employee of Millennia but have been a user and tester for 10
years so I can be frank... and maybe not too politic. ;-)
Yes, L8 can run on small computers with limited resources and really old
Windows versions, but it will be slow. 
L8 runs best on XP or above Windows and has been tested on all versions
through Win8. (I do not know if anyone has done Win 8.1
testing.)
It has been tested on reasonable modern computers with databases that are
at or near the spec limits. Several FF of 300-500K people have performed
very well.
Family View will be slower if you have PP Alerts and FS Integration
turned on; and without them it will still be a bit slower than L7.5. as
trying to draw the new FV form just seems to take longer. 
Please note that double click navigation is gone. I hated that at first
but have come to see that single click is more effective and faster and
some of the new services and tools on FV make life easier. 
In real life, you are not spending all of your time redrawing this form,
but you are going to be spending a lot of time editing and adding data.
And this is just as fast or faster than before. 
Have you noted the 2.2 options to enable automatic sorting of children,
marriages and events. That alone has saved me so much times...
And note that now you can now right click on a child in a family and sort
the children.
Some of us testers, who consider ourselves power users of Legacy, have
asked for and gotten tweaks that make our - and yours! - Legacy
experience better. As you explore and play with Legacy 8, you will soon
decide you do not want to return to L7.5. The key is now and always the
ability to get our research documented. This is now easier with L8. It
may be different from what you did before, but it is better.
john.

At 08:08 PM 11/28/2013, Gavin Nicholson wrote:
Thanks Chris,
 
Of course it depends on the specs of your computer. My netbook has an
Atom N270 processor and 2GB RAM. As I said it works perfectly with V7.5
but is terribly slow with V8 even with PP turned off. Using the sample
database with only 160 people is exactly the same. I assume if I install
it on my 8 core i7 desktop it will be fine but that is not the
point.
 
Whilst it "runs" it is not very useable. If Millennia can't
optimise this any better then they need to upgrade their hardware
specifications. I just looked and the only thing they have changed is the
HDD space (not really important) and the RAM requirement which is now 1GB
recommended and I have 2GB so as I said something is wrong.
 
Gavin...
 
From: Chris Seens
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mailto:cseens1...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 29 November 2013 3:06 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] High CPU usage
 
I checked taskmgr.exe after your suggestion though I notice no slowdown
on my laptop. It shows very little CPU except when first loading (about
7%) down to 0% once loaded.  The last time I had that problem I
found malware on my computer that was sucking all my CPU.  Taskmgr
did not explain at the time where all the CPU was going. I used Sophos
Virus Removal Tool to find and kill the malware which I believe is a free
tool.  You can use this tool periodically in addition to your own
virus software to get rid of any malware.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Location Database Ver 8

2013-11-28 Thread John B. Lisle



Jay,
You are correct. L8 install does not deal with the GeoDB. It is something
to install when you first need it while running L8.
--> An important concept that many of us testers had to learn,
sometimes the hard way, was not to over-think L8. L8 really does try to
make life simpler for users. Existing users who were used to the old way
Legacy worked become astonished how stuff they did before that was
complicated, now becomes easy. The GeoDB is one of those things.
One of the problems with GeoDB in old days is that is was so large that
folks did not use it or only downloaded pieces of it. Now, it is about
the same size as the Legacy Installer so why treat it so
carefully...
If you have the Deluxe version of L8 and do not see this, tell me what
you see ... I just did this on a new PC in about 3-5 minutes.
If you do not have GEoDB installed, go to the Tools ribbon and select the
Location DB. It will ask you if you want to install it, if so, it will
bring up a page on the Legacy web site where you can download the
installer for the DB. and give you some instructions.
Click on the link to download then when it is downloaded, run the
installer. Win7 will ask you if you want to change your PC and you will
of course say yes. If you are using Avast, like I am, Avast checks it out
to see it is safe and Windows will complain a bit with some alerts but
you can close them out without worry. Then an installer will open and you
will be asked where you want it installed. I just chose the default
location, but you can put it anywhere on your PC.
A few seconds later it is done.
Re-open Legacy and go back to the tools ribbon and click on the Location
database again. It will then spend a minute or 2 rebuilding the indices
in the database and then it is good to go.
You do this once and it is done for good as the location is in the
Registry.
The L8 USR settings are really radically different in format throughout
the program. I think it is a good thing for folks to reset their L7
experience into a new L8 experience.
--> I have said in previous notes that folks should not uninstall L7.5
until they have fully migrated to L8. I suggest that users run L7 and L8
together to clone their L7 experience to the L8 framework. BUT... they
might find that this is a good time to re-think their experience
completely.
Lastly, I do not think Gedcom export is any slower in L8. You may have
some local problem. I have exported a 100,000 person family file in the
time I wrote the last half of this note. One of the testers exported a
400K+ Person Gedcom a couple of times for TNG import without mentioning
any speed issue..
I await your follow-up report on Gedcom.
john.
At 08:58 PM 11/28/2013, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
John,Â 
As I mentioned in the email.Â 
The install of Ver 8 made no reference to the Geo Database.
(I installed from the download, and then copied my ver 7.5 dbf file into
the Data folder of Ver8 and opened it with Ver 8, which first converted
it)Â 
So I think Legacy is missing an important step for those of us
upgrading,Â 
that is how best to handle existing data from usr settings, geo database,
etc.Â 
As I look further into my location database, it doesnt appear to be
connected to the existing Geo Database from Ver 7.Â 

(How much slower are your gedcom exports in ver 8 than 7?? --- Â I
currently export a new file for TNG every week and my first test is not
good in that it took over an hour, but more on that later in its own
message)Â 
Thanks
JayÂ 




On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 5:39 PM, John B. Lisle
<leg...@tqsi.com> wrote:


Jay,

I am still using the GeoDB I installed in L5 or L6. 

L8 has changed how Legacy deals with the GeoDB. 

--> The instructions that are on 


http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/GeoDownload.asp 

Do not apply to L8!!

Check out the Help message on this topic. And the link to it on the
Tools menu which will help you install it the first time you need
it.

Basically, instead of having to merge 6 pieces, you can now download
an installer that has all of the pieces. OR you can tell Legacy8 where
you have it installed and it will get it from there.

I have not tested this for a while, so some details may be slightly
off.

john.


At 04:07 PM 11/28/2013, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:

I have upgraded from Ver 7 to Ver 8 and will probably eventually
delete my C:\Legacy\ folder where Ver 7 was installed.Ã 

But within that folder is my \Geo\ ÃÂ  folder which holds my Ã
Location Database Ã 

or so I assuming as I did not get any question or indication when I
installed Ver 8 in regards to the Geo Location Database.Ã 

Shouldn't the install of Ver 8 asked me if I would want to move any
files /settings from Ver 7 to the new default locations?Ã 

Or am I missing something?Ã 


JayÃ 


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RE: [LegacyUG] Directory structure

2013-11-28 Thread John B. Lisle

Bill,

Let me ask again... Can you please give some specific examples of
"Are you sure you want to make this change" messages that you would
be seeing from reputable software properly developed to Win 7
Microsoft standards?

As I recall (and I accept the possibility of a senior moment), that
was the nonsense we saw in the early days of Win7 and Vista when
vendors had not updated their software to comply with the standards.

Today, most of that software is now in compliance and when it has to
change program data, that data is now sitting in a directory outside
of C;\Program Files.

I have found that I continually have to re-evaluate habits I picked
up in the past to compensate for conditions in the past that may or
may not be correct today.

As I believe I implied earlier, I really do not care what you do. You
are free to do whatever you think works best for you. I am concerned
that folks without your technical savvy and infrastructure you have
built on your computers would take your recommendation and assume
they have to do it.

john.

At 10:11 PM 11/28/2013, William Boswell wrote:
>John:
>
>I've had UAC off for several years and have had no threats against
>my computer.  UAC is annoying when it pops up every time I have to
>make any changes within a program.  I don't need to be asked "are
>you sure you want to make this change" (or something like that)
>every time I do a simple task.
>
>None of my data has ever been at risk.  I have several data drives
>(internal and external) that have never been affected by
>intrusions.  I also backup weekly to DVD's and daily with Norton
>backup which includes my genealogy data.  I've been using the Norton
>products since the early 1990's and never had a problem.  I also
>backup all my internal hard drives to external USB drives as a
>precaution.  I fear more that an internal drive will fail rather
>than a virus intrusion.
>
>All of my software is purchased and not bootleg.  I only purchase
>from legitimate sources and I don't use freeware or open source
>software.  I prefer to pay for software from reputable companies.
>
>UAC is for those who don't have security software installed or have
>no idea about security on their computers.  The only threat I have
>is my cats walking on the keyboard when I'm out of the room.  That's
>happened before when one of them hit CTRL-ALT-DEL and rebooted the
>computer without me saving first.
>
>Thanks for the advice, but UAC is a pain in the tush for me.  Maybe
>I've been lucky not to have been hacked.  I did have my Adobe
>account hacked, but that was their computers and mismanagement problem.
>
>Bill
>
>-Original Message-
>From: John B. Lisle [mailto:leg...@tqsi.com]
>Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 8:24 PM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Directory structure
>
>Bill,
>
>1/ Norton and UAC are handling two different classes of threats.
>
>2/ Personally, I found that Norton took too much control of my PC;
>Email especially became a serious problem. IT folks whom I trust
>recommended Avast several years ago and I have not regretted it.
>
>3/ I do all sorts of stuff on my PC, including some development, and
>have never felt a need to turn off UAC. If you are using well
>developed software that follows the rules, it should not be a problem.
>
>4/ Could you please describe what specific operations you do that
>requires UAC off? I would hate to have someone on this list take
>that advice when they do not need to do it and then find themselves
>damaging some crucial data.
>
>thanks,
>john.
>
>
>
>At 02:43 PM 11/28/2013, William Boswell wrote:
> >I use Norton security software and never had a problem with viruses.
> >UAC is just annoying because it pops up every time I want to make
> >changes within a program.
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Mike Fry [mailto:emjay...@gmail.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 11:47 AM
> >To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Directory structure
> >
> >On 2013/11/28 18:41, William Boswell wrote:
> >
> > > I don't use UAC.  It's turned off because it's annoying.  I'm
> > running Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit.
> >
> >Guess I should add you to my list of suspect emailers :-)
> >
> >--
> >Regards,
> >Mike Fry
> >Johannesburg (g)
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] High CPU usage

2013-11-28 Thread John B. Lisle



Jay,
I have forwarded your issue to the test list. That type of time
difference is not expected. I assume you have your L8 on your SSD
drive...
Could you please run a test and get back to me privately?
What I noticed that was very different in your Gedcom was the relatively
high number of Media items. Could you please report the time but exclude
exporting the Media items? I would like to give the developers some
additional guidance about what might be the factor affecting the
time.
If you have any other class of items that might seem disproportionately
larger than in a normal Gedcom, try excluding that class individually
also for a test.
thanks,
john.
At 11:30 PM 11/28/2013, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
William,Â 
How many People are in your file and what the size of your .fdb file?Â

I have 221,693 persons and my .fdb is 423,072 KB
JayÂ 




On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 8:15 PM, William Boswell
<whbosw...@gmail.com>
wrote:



No speed problems running Legacy 8 with Windows 7 Home Premium 64, 8
GB's memory, 2009 computer.

Â 

I already got rid of Legacy 7.5.Â  I'm very satisfied with
Legacy 8 and I give many thanks to the developers.Â  My ancestors
thank you too.

Â 

Also thanks to all of the beta testers.Â  This is a fine product
and very reasonably priced.

Â 

From: John B. Lisle
[
mailto:leg...@tqsi.com] 

Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:07 PM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] High CPU usage

Â 

Gavin, et al,

I am not an employee of Millennia but have been a user and tester for
10 years so I can be frank... and maybe not too politic. ;-)

Yes, L8 can run on small computers with limited resources and really
old Windows versions, but it will be slow. 

L8 runs best on XP or above Windows and has been tested on all
versions through Win8. (I do not know if anyone has done Win 8.1
testing.)

It has been tested on reasonable modern computers with databases that
are at or near the spec limits. Several FF of 300-500K people have
performed very well.

Family View will be slower if you have PP Alerts and FS Integration
turned on; and without them it will still be a bit slower than L7.5. as
trying to draw the new FV form just seems to take longer. 

Please note that double click navigation is gone. I hated that at
first but have come to see that single click is more effective and faster
and some of the new services and tools on FV make life easier. 

In real life, you are not spending all of your time redrawing this
form, but you are going to be spending a lot of time editing and adding
data. And this is just as fast or faster than before. 

Have you noted the 2.2 options to enable automatic sorting of
children, marriages and events. That alone has saved me so much
times...

And note that now you can now right click on a child in a family and
sort the children.

Some of us testers, who consider ourselves power users of Legacy,
have asked for and gotten tweaks that make our - and yours! - Legacy
experience better. As you explore and play with Legacy 8, you will soon
decide you do not want to return to L7.5. The key is now and always the
ability to get our research documented. This is now easier with L8. It
may be different from what you did before, but it is better.

john.



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RE: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts

2013-11-28 Thread John B. Lisle



Bill,
I can agree with this ;-).
I use a laptop for all of my activities, but I have a basic MS Optical
Wheel mouse and an MS real keyboard, both with USB connections (Wireless
ones burn batteries too quickly...) I even bring them along when
travelling.
john.
At 11:31 PM 11/28/2013, William Boswell wrote:
Yes, especially since if you're
looking for a replacement keyboard you'll only find one that is similar
to a laptop keyboard.Â  No raised keys and a space bar from hell
that adds errors.Â  I think they make them for people who don't know
how to type.Â  For us professionals who have typed for many years,
it's rather difficult to find a real keyboard like they used to make
several years ago.
 
I think the new keyboards are made for texters who can't type especially
with a real keyboard and not a plastic simulation on a phone.Â  I'd
take the real keyboard any day over a touch screen.Â  Who wants a
monitor that emulates a cell phone?
 
Before cell phones, we used to have real keyboards.Â  Now we have
keyboards made for those who can't type.
 
From: Jay 1FamilyTree
[
mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:39 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts
 
Well, I have to speak up here and disagree. 
 
I edit an average of at least 300 persons records every day and I hardly
ever take my hand OFF the mouse. 
 
(And in reference to the future of keyboards, I would not ever dare to
suggest that that is for everyone, especially programmers, but the
general public will surely be keyboard-less depending on the acceptance
curve along with the decrease in costs for touch screens,) 
 
 
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 6:30 PM, singhals

wrote:
Allow me to concur with Wendy's opinion of having to reach
for the freakin' mouse every few seconds.  For those of us
who use more than two fingers for typing, that mouse is as
unhandy as a rubber crutch outdoors at 95F.
The mouse issue is my major black-mark against Legacy, only
partially lessened by "but everyone else is too!".  So,
if
everyone else jumped off a cliff, would you? ;)
Cheryl (just because I can't get the shortcuts to work for
me doesn't mean they wouldn't be handy!)
Wendy Howard wrote:
> Sorry Brian, whoever told you that either doesn't know enough to
give an
> informed answer, or thinks keyboard shortcuts should go in the
too-hard
> basket and be forgotten about.
>
> Ken and Dave may remember meeting my "other half" Nigel on
the 2010
> cruise around New Zealand.  He's a software engineer/developer,
and has
> worked (for instance) on Symantec Ghost from since before Symantec
owned
> the product until they closed the Auckland R&D office three
years ago
> and shipped that work to India.  He knows what he's talking
about when
> it comes to this sort of thing.
>
> He says that keyboard shortcuts are not impossible, you can
implement
> them when there is a ribbon.  That there are keyboard shortcuts
already
> in v8 shows it can be done when there is a will.
>
> It might be a big job to write the code to reinstate the ones that
have
> been "lost" and have them functioning as they should (and
maybe reassign
> those where it's not practical to use the key combination that was
used
> before), but it can be done.  It's more a matter of how willing
the
> developer is, and how much effort can be allowed to be put into the
job.
>
> It's not a small issue.  Ask any programmer worth their salt if
they
> would like writing their code without keyboard shortcuts in their
IDE
> (integrated development environment), and had to reach for the
mouse
> instead, each and every time - I'd almost be willing to put money
on
> that answer.  It's unthinkable.
>
> It's equally unthinkable to me, a person who uses the keyboard
without
> looking at it and types with all eight fingers, to use Legacy
without
> keyboard shortcuts.  At least in the long term.
>
> I will be submitting a suggestion for this in a moment, and I
recommend
> anyone else who is missing keyboard shortcuts to do the same, so
the
> developers can judge for themselves how important it is to their
product.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Wendy
>
> PS  Who's bright idea was it to reassign the keyboard shortcut
Alt-F4
> from the Windows standard "quit program" to "switch
to Descendant
> view"?  Rhetorical question, I don't want to know the
answer.  But it is
> just wrong, wrong, wrong (and also proof of what I say above). 
Please
> restore it to its original purpose asap.
>

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/126449
>
>
> Brian/Support said the following on 28/11/2013 3:17 p.m.:
>> As I understand it from the programmer's explanation during the
beta
>> testing, we cannot trap (technical term for capturing for a
special
>> purpose) standard key presses and pass those on to implement the
ribbon
>> functions.
>>
>> Making a suggestion is unlikely to change anything since what
you will
>> be asking for (if it is the two key commands you want
reinstated) is
>> impossib

Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy charting

2013-11-28 Thread John B. Lisle

Jim,

Legacy Charting is a separate module of Legacy 8 like it was with
L7.x. It is installed with Legacy, no need to do anything extra. It
is available from the Reports ribbon and can be added to your My Toolbar.

john.

At 11:33 PM 11/28/2013, JAS POWELL wrote:
>Does anyone know if Legacy Charting has been incorporated into the
>main Legacy program instead as a separate program?  I thought with
>Legacy 7.5 that we received a separate add on program.
>
>Jim
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Location Database Ver 8

2013-11-28 Thread John B. Lisle



Kathy,
Do you have your Deluxe code yet?
If so, you should find the link for the location database on your Tools
Ribbon.
I described the process in an earlier email on this subject.
Ken's message in part showed that in response to this issue, he has
updated the page on LegacyFamilyTree.com for the GeoDB download to comply
with what you do for L8.
john.
At 12:33 AM 11/29/2013, Kathy Thompson wrote:
>> For users who don't
have the GeoDB installed yet and they click on the GeoDB tool within
Legacy this is the new page they are taken to
Where is the GeoDB tool located, I can't seem to find it.

On 29 November 2013 15:27, KenMcGinnis
<
kenmcgin...@legacyusers.com> wrote:


I have updated our website to link to he new GeoDB page:


http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/GeoDBDownload.asp

For users who don't have the GeoDB installed yet and they click on
the GeoDB tool within Legacy this is the new page they are taken to.


http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/GeoDBDownload.asp

The old page was still being liked to by Legacy v7 and earlier and
from a couple places on our site. Â  The links form our site now go
to the new page above.


http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/GeoDownload.asp

We have done away with all the Region files and importing.


Thanks,

Ken McGinnis

Millennia Corporation

kenmcgin...@legacyfamilytree.com


http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

We are changing the world of genealogy!



From: "John B. Lisle"
<leg...@tqsi.com>

Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 6:45 PM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location Database Ver 8

Jay,

I am still using the GeoDB I installed in L5 or L6. 

L8 has changed how Legacy deals with the GeoDB. 

--> The instructions that are on 


http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/GeoDownload.asp 

Do not apply to L8!!

Check out the Help message on this topic. And the link to it on the
Tools menu which will help you install it the first time you need
it.

Basically, instead of having to merge 6 pieces, you can now download
an installer that has all of the pieces. OR you can tell Legacy8 where
you have it installed and it will get it from there.

I have not tested this for a while, so some details may be slightly
off.

john.


At 04:07 PM 11/28/2013, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:

I have upgraded from Ver 7 to Ver 8 and will probably eventually
delete my C:\Legacy\ folder where Ver 7 was installed.Ã 

But within that folder is my \Geo\ ÃÂ  folder which holds my Ã
Location Database Ã 

or so I assuming as I did not get any question or indication when I
installed Ver 8 in regards to the Geo Location Database.Ã 

Shouldn't the install of Ver 8 asked me if I would want to move any
files /settings from Ver 7 to the new default locations?Ã 

Or am I missing something?Ã 


JayÃ 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Location Database Ver 8

2013-11-28 Thread John B. Lisle



Jay,
If it is properly install on L8, if you open the Location Database on the
tools ribbon, you will see the form to add a location. Otherwise, it will
tell you to install based on the procedure I gave you a while
back.
john.
PS: I am having a friend with a 600K person Family File do a Gedcom
export. He is running all SDD drive. After about 10 minutes, we figured
it was exporting at about 5000-7000 people a minute. His FF has some
media but not to the extent yours does. I should know tomorrow how log it
took. He indicated that this was comparable to what he experienced with
L7.5.


At 01:06 AM 11/29/2013, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
Ken,Â 
If the GeoDB has been installed properly in Ver 8 , what should we look
for and where as far as what files would be used?
ThanksÂ 
JayÂ 

On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 9:27 PM, KenMcGinnis
<
kenmcgin...@legacyusers.com> wrote:


I have updated our website to link to he new GeoDB page:


http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/GeoDBDownload.asp

For users who don't have the GeoDB installed yet and they click on
the GeoDB tool within Legacy this is the new page they are taken to.


http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/GeoDBDownload.asp

The old page was still being liked to by Legacy v7 and earlier and
from a couple places on our site. Â  The links form our site now go
to the new page above.


http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/GeoDownload.asp

We have done away with all the Region files and importing.


Thanks,

Ken McGinnis

Millennia Corporation

kenmcgin...@legacyfamilytree.com


http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

We are changing the world of genealogy!



From: "John B. Lisle"
<leg...@tqsi.com>

Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 6:45 PM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location Database Ver 8

Jay,

I am still using the GeoDB I installed in L5 or L6. 

L8 has changed how Legacy deals with the GeoDB. 

--> The instructions that are on 


http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/GeoDownload.asp 

Do not apply to L8!!

Check out the Help message on this topic. And the link to it on the
Tools menu which will help you install it the first time you need
it.

Basically, instead of having to merge 6 pieces, you can now download
an installer that has all of the pieces. OR you can tell Legacy8 where
you have it installed and it will get it from there.

I have not tested this for a while, so some details may be slightly
off.

john.


At 04:07 PM 11/28/2013, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:

I have upgraded from Ver 7 to Ver 8 and will probably eventually
delete my C:\Legacy\ folder where Ver 7 was installed.Ã 

But within that folder is my \Geo\ ÃÂ  folder which holds my Ã
Location Database Ã 

or so I assuming as I did not get any question or indication when I
installed Ver 8 in regards to the Geo Location Database.Ã 

Shouldn't the install of Ver 8 asked me if I would want to move any
files /settings from Ver 7 to the new default locations?Ã 

Or am I missing something?Ã 


JayÃ 


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Re: [LegacyUG] Noted appear and disappear at random

2013-11-29 Thread John B. Lisle

Boyd, et al,
This appears to be a standard edition issue only. I have been informed
that the Developers are aware of it, and problem will be resolved it
shortly. Have you seen it in the Deluxe edition?
john.

At 03:35 AM 11/29/2013, Boyd Miller wrote:

I have just upgraded to version
8.00.355 and the problem is still there - sometimes I find notes,
others are not there, I go back to the first person and Research notes
are there but General notes have now disappeared.
I'm using the Standard version, waiting for my deluxe number to
arrive.ÃÂ Any ideas on what may be going wrong?ÃÂ ÃÂ Seems
like a bug to me.
Boyd
On 29/11/2013 8:37 p.m., Boyd Miller wrote:
In Family view, when the Notes
icon is coloured you expect to find notes in at least one of the three
notes fields.ÃÂ
Often I am finding that there are no notes at all, and no asterisk
against any of the fields.ÃÂ Sometimes when I click across each
field, one will show data but others do not, when I know there should be
data.ÃÂ When I find data in a field and click to a second field
the asterisk sometimes appears against the first field.ÃÂ If I go
to another person and come back to the first person there are often no
Notes showing at all in any of the Notes fields even though the icon is
still coloured.ÃÂ
I have found the same problem with almost all of the people in my
database.
Thus there is no reliable way to know whether or not there are any notes
in any of the fields.ÃÂ In most cases the icon is coloured but no
notes are found at first visit.ÃÂ
My Version 8 is using a direct copy of the Version 7.5 data.ÃÂ
When I start up Version 7.5 all the notes the notes are clearly visible,
and the fields with data have the asterisk.
I have run File Maintenance Check/repair several times but it makes no
difference.ÃÂ I have rebooted and restarted the program several
times, but the situation is not changed.
It seems to me that there is definitely a bug here somewhere.ÃÂ Is
anyone else having a similar problem?
Boyd

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Re: [LegacyUG] Quick Access Toolbar changes

2013-11-29 Thread John B. Lisle

Bobby,

That is how it is expected to work right now. We discovered this
behavior late in the test cycle, and I expect that it will get looked
at after the birthing pain issues of L8 are resolved.

thanks,
john.

At 11:00 AM 11/29/2013, Bobby Johnson wrote:
>Using win7-64 and Legacy 8.0.0.355.  When I make a change to the "Quick Access
>Toolbar" it does not take effect until I close and reopen Legacy.  Anyone else
>see this?
>Bobby

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Re: [LegacyUG] Research Notes Problem in V8

2013-11-29 Thread John B. Lisle

Jennie,

Please see below...

john.

At 07:48 AM 11/29/2013, Jenny M Benson wrote:
>On 29/11/2013 01:04, John B. Lisle wrote:
> > Jenny,
> >
> > Are you using a standard edition or Deluxe edition? What Build number
> > are you using (see Legacy Home Page.) A new build was issued this
> > morning that may have fixed a problem with notes.
>
>Updated to the new build and still have problems, but I now gather it is
>known issue with the Standard edition and is being dealt with.  I shall
>be upgrading next week and it's not really a problem at the moment, I
>was just looking into it because others had mentioned it.
> >
>
> > Lastly, when converting a file to L8, I recommend using L8 to
> open L7.5 files.
> >
> > When you try to open the file, Legacy 8 will give you several
> > options. The first is to have Legacy copy the family file to your
> > Option 6.1 folder and then convert the copy, leaving your original L7
> > family file where it was.
> >
> > When you let Legacy do the work for you, you know all of the step s
> > will be done correctly. (or at least this has been our experience
> so far...)
>
>I don't actually see a difference between using V8 to open my working
>file and have it make a copy and update it and having V7 make the copy
>of the file (using File>Save Family File As... and opening that in V8
>and having it converted, which is what I did.

It probably does not matter.

I wanted to share how L8 is trying to make the process easier for you.

>However, whichever way I arrived at my new V8 file, it really shouldn't
>have made any difference to Notes which I added directly to the new file.
>
>The bug seems very odd and variable because having got the latest build,
>when I opened the file a Research Note I created last night WAS still
>there, but when I deleted that text and typed something else, that
>WASN'T there next time I opened Notes!

I do not have any of the technical ins and outs of what has been done
(I am a tester, not an employee), but it seems that multiple bugs in
the Notes function were in the Standard Edition on release day. A fix
was done for the update Build to at least one of the identified bugs.
And we have been told additional fixes will be in the next update.

As always, with any new software, glitches will be found. Although we
tested for many months, we cannot test all configurations that the
wider user base is going to have. Further, I do not recall another
case (in my 10 years on the test team) - but I am sure it must have
happened - where something basic like this is going to fail in the
Standard Edition but not in the Deluxe Edition. 99.99% of our testing
is on the Deluxe edition for this reason.

thanks for your help,
john.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Trouble Purchasing Legacy 8.0 Download from Web Site

2013-11-29 Thread John B. Lisle

Kay,

Did you ever register to be a Legacy Affiliate?
What you see is what folks who are affiliates see.

If so, you first have to login as an affiliate
and then place the order. If you do not remember
you password, just click the forgot password type
link and it will be emailed to you.

john.

At 04:00 AM 11/30/2013, Kay Fordham wrote:
>Iâve been a Legacy User since the late 1990s.
>I am attempting to purchase The 8.0 online
>download. I select the link for Legacy 7.0 users
>and I get the order page with the price filled
>in. I then continue to the next page which
>requests my billing information. I fill this in
>and also the credit card info. I then continue
>and it tells me they have no account registered
>to my email (Iâve had the same email address
>since 1998). It tells me to register and select
>a password. I do this and select continue and it
>tells me there already is an account for the
>email address so try another address. Is anyone
>else having problems such as this?
>
>Thanks,
>Kay
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts

2013-11-29 Thread John B. Lisle



Bill, 
This discussion is getting a bit far from Legacy issues.
But, in my experience dealing with my cable company Comcast, the issue of
glitchy digital TV signals and Cable TV is poor cabling in the residence.
The digital infrastructure at the delivery end just does not have the
bandwidth to meet the needs of today. 
Our Condo was wired for cable 25+ years ago with cabling that is not up
to current standards and with distances where the signal is seriously
attenuated. The signal strength is low enough that the new Xfinity
operating system is not installable here. I know other folks with more
modern connections who have no problems.
The important issue with every problem is to try to affix the blame at
the right place so the issue can get fixed.
The same thing  is true for issues in Legacy. It is not always
obvious where to affix the blame.
john.

At 04:54 PM 11/29/2013, William Boswell wrote:
I know digital TV is everywhere
even with antennas.Â  What I'm saying is the technology just isn't
up to where it should be when we have glitchy signals even with
cable.
 
From: Jay 1FamilyTree
[
mailto:1familytree@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 2:59 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts
 
Bill, 
 
 
RE: I don't think a lot of these new electronic gadgets are there
yet.  Like digital TV signals which are still glitchy and sometimes
you lose the channel for hours.  Technology is moving too fast just
to get it into the stores and make money without doing more testing
first.
 
 
Not sure where you are from but most areas of the USA ONLY have digital
TV signals these days. 
 
Thats what all the fuss about analog set-top receivers was a few years
back when they STOPPED sending MOST tv signals analog and all are now
delivered digital. 
 
 
 
SOURCE: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television_transition_in_the_United_States

 
 
 
Jay 
 
 
 
 
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 8:54 AM, William Boswell

wrote:
My Android, which I hate, is supposed to respond to a touch and I find
myself having to poke it hard to get it to do anything and even then it
doesn't respond.  I'm thinking of going back to a cheapo cell
phone.
I don't think a lot of these new electronic gadgets are there yet. 
Like digital TV signals which are still glitchy and sometimes you lose
the channel for hours.  Technology is moving too fast just to get it
into the stores and make money without doing more testing first.

I suspect with touch screens, the failure rate will be high and I'm sure
it is expensive to repair.  All that poking at the screen probably
wears the monitor out real quick.
Bill Boswell
-Original Message-
From: singhals
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mailto:singh...@erols.com]
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 11:37 AM
To:

LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Keyboard shortcuts
My experiences with touch screens are not happy memories.
WAAAY back-in-the-day (early 1980s), a national chain had 'em in a
store-near-me as an improvement; some improvement.
  Instead of my handing an employee a piece of paper with the
"Bin 7, shelf 2 C" written on it, I was supposed to
"touch" the 10 numbers matching my order number; except the
screen didn't want a touch, it wanted a serious WHAM!  Inch forward
a decade and a touch now works, but only if you touch the exact middle
pixel of a starburst. Ooze onward to summer of 2013 in an air-conditioned
room (ambient T in the hi 60s) where heat-sensitive touch-screens weren't
sensing enough heat to register - between each touch I had to rub my
touching finger against the bunched fingertips of the other
hand.
Danke, mais NYET, y'know?
  Cheryl



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RE: [LegacyUG] Quick Access Toolbar changes

2013-11-29 Thread John B. Lisle

Bobby,

I suspect that most of the testers filled up their MyToolbars with
all sorts of good stuff and had that open on default. I could be
wrong... But that way you do have your most treasured tools available
in one place.

I populated the new Quick Access Toolbar with some additional tools
that I did not have on that toolbar but wanted to get to quickly no
matter which ribbon I was looking at.

Please make a formal suggestion for additional icons you want to be
able to select for either toolbar. For instance, I have requested
that Scrapbook be added.

ok?

john.

At 07:04 PM 11/29/2013, Bobby Johnson wrote:
>Thanks.  I'm happy again.  I did forget about My Toolbar.  I'll make
>that the default on boot-up.
>Bobby
>
>-Original Message-
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>Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 5:52 PM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Quick Access Toolbar changes
>
>Don't forget also there is the My Toolbar item on the main ribbon.
>That toolbar can contain many more items than the 10 on the quick
>access toolbar. The My Toolbar is another option on the design >
>Toolbars menu.
>That is more like the old 7.5 toolbar where you can add most items
>available from other ribbons plus two buttons which you can
>customize before adding to your my toolbar. I have one custom button
>set to open my web browser at a web page I visit frequently and
>another to open my word processor.
>
>Right click on the custom 1 or custom 2 buttons to customize them
>then drag the customized button to my toolbar.
>
>Brian
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Re: [LegacyUG] In the beginning..

2013-11-29 Thread John B. Lisle

Bernd,

As I have said before, this is not hard. And L8 makes it vary simple.

First, decide where you want to save your L8 Family Files. And enter
folder path name in Option 6.1 or just leave it at the default folder location.

Then open your L7.5 FF from L8. You can use Open File from the File Ribbon.

You will be told you have to Convert your file, and then you will be
given three choices as to what you want to do. The best choice is the
first which will COPY your L7.5 file to the folder you selected in
Option 6.1, leaving your L7.5 file untouched and in its place. Then
it will make the conversion and open your file in L8.

The second choice makes a backup on the L7.5 file and then converts
it in place.

The third choice just converts it in place.

I have my FF in a structure based on the family I am working on. My
6.1 is the top level folder and under that I have a folder for each
family. So when I convert, I copy the L7.5 file from L7.5 folder to
the proper L8 folder and then  just open and convert.

After you do that you want to make all of your customizations and save them.

Then organize your media.

ok?

john.

At 06:53 PM 11/29/2013, Bernd Hornung wrote:
>Have been reading all the postings since the release of L8 and have made
>my purchase, received my number and 'flipped through' the manual.  I am
>missing something.
>
>I have L7 Deluxe and am preparing to migrate my databases to L8 (good
>project for Monday and Tuesday when the wind will be howling, the snow
>will be falling and a temp of -30C).
>
>I have backed up all my DBs.
>
>Do I import the L7 DB or the backup?  As I understand it, if I import
>the L7 DB then I will no longer be able to access it with L7.  Yes?
>You could answer direct if you do not wish to call me a dummy in a
>public forum.
>
>Thanks all.  Looking forward to learning the new features.  Thanks Team
>
>Bernie H.
>
>Bernie H Blog site http://haushornung.weebly.com/ Data site
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Re: [LegacyUG] Two hours to create a GEDCOM file with Legacy 8?!?

2013-11-30 Thread John B. Lisle

Phil,

We identified this issue yesterday and it has been forwarded to the
developers and they are aware of it.

It seems to be an issue with Shared Events.

Unless you need the Shared events exported now, just exclude them in
the Gedcom export customizations and, even if you have none, the time
will shrink to more or less what you experienced with L7.5/

thanks,
john.

At 03:18 AM 11/30/2013, Phil wrote:
>Is anyone else finding that is takes forever to export data as a GEDCOM
>file?
>
>I have 85,000 individuals in my database and version 7 would take
>between 5 and 10 minutes to create a GEDCOM file for uploading to my
>website. V8 is taking nearly 2 hours to complete the same task. Nothing
>has changed on my computer (Windows 7) so why is it taking so long.
>Everything else, especially the maps, has been speeded up dramatically
>and generally I am very pleased with V8 but exporting GEDCOM files is
>very important to me and I need speed in this department too!
>
>Phil.
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RE: [LegacyUG] 7.5 Notes Unusable, Are 8's?

2013-11-30 Thread John B. Lisle

Prescott,

Can you create a SMALL family file in L7.5 that exhibits this
problem, make a backup of that problem and email it to me privately?

I will try to look at it on my PC and see if I see the same issue. It
may me some special characters that are triggering this in your PC.

No promises...

OK?

john.

At 01:53 PM 11/30/2013, grayscot2 wrote:

> Answer is no.  In L8 Standard, using the sample database,
> when I go to open the notes for an individual, I now get the
> message:  "Richtx.Invalid Property Value".  I have to click OK
> twice to open the Notes database.  This step didn't happen in 7.5,
> but the result is the same.  The General Notes field is black
> screen, black fonts.  Same with Research Notes.  Medical has fields
> for Cause of Death, etc in white background, but the larger field
> below is black.  Haven't checked in L8 but in L7.5, the Notes
> fields are black in all views where this is a feature.
>
> Anybody else have this or know what might be causing
> it.  They gave up in Tech Support for 7.5 but indicated it might be
> a known problem with Nvidia graphic adapters.  but the usual
> solution for this didn't work.
>
>
>   Prescott
>
>From: graysc...@gmail.com
>Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 09:21 PM
>To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
>Subject: RE: [LegacyUG]  7.5 Notes Unusable, Are 8's?
>
>I was never able to find a solution to 7.5's Notes problem--black
>type on black background for any view that had a Notes field.
>Something to do with my Nvidia graphics adapter. Tried everything
>with Tech Support but couldn't change it.
>
>Is anyone having this trouble on L8?
>
>-
>Pres Smith graysc...@gmail.com

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RE: [LegacyUG] GEDCOM

2013-11-30 Thread John B. Lisle



David,
I know what you said was shorthand, but we should clarify this for folks
who may be new to Gedcom. Please excuse this long rant.
Gedcom is an old standard. There are two variations that are in use: 5.5
and 5.5.1. I think they are both over 10 years old.
Legacy is capable of exporting a Gedcom to either of those standards,
should you choose to do so, meaning that the only Tags included in the
export are the ones specified in those standards.
However, just because a Gedcom complies with the standards, that does not
mean that the Gedcom will necessarily be able to export ALL of your data.

The Gedcom standard also gave Vendors an option to create proprietary
Tags to extend the types of information that is exported.  One could say
that as long as those Tags follow the standard, the Gedcom is 100%
compliant, but that does not mean that another vendor will be able to
interpret those proprietary tags.
Based on my analysis of 100s of Gedcoms, I do not know of any instance
where Legacy Gedcoms are exporting data incorrectly, based on the
standard and including the rules for proprietary tags.
The test team did lots of Gedcom exports and imported those Gedcoms into
many other products successfully. Of course, not everything was imported,
but that was because the other vendor did not handle Legacy proprietary
tags.
I recognize two uses for Gedcoms: exporting data to another product or
creating a Gedcom archive of your family file for yourself or a research
collaborator.
As Sherry has said, in 10 years of support work, only a handful of
support issues have required the Gedcom as an archive.
--> As we identified another data item that is not included in the
archive, we reported this to development. Except for SourceWriter
sources, I am not aware of any important item in Legacy that is not being
archived. We archive tags, PP exclusions, Privacy, Event Definitions,
etc, etc. If anyone finds something that is not in the archive, please
alert us to it. Please feel free to write me privately. 
Another common use of Gedcom as an archive is when you want to share data
with a Legacy user who has not upgraded to the current release. Unless
they are on an archaic PC, I encourage them first to upgrade to current
version.
--> A quirk of Legacy when exporting a FF to a Gedcom for archive
purposes is that Legacy only exports from the family file what the Family
File is actually using. IE, if you have unused Custom Events, Locations,
Master Sources, or other Master List items, they are not currently
exported. 
The most common use by far is to share data with another application. I
do not know of any current issues with Legacy Gedcom going to other
vendors where the issue was the Gedcom export. All of the times I have
seen problems, the issue was with the other vendor's import
software.
As for importing a Gedcom into Legacy, Legacy has many special functions
to do extended processing of Gedcoms from many popular programs.
Development has been very supportive of enhancements to Legacy to
facilitate imports from other programs. 
thanks,
john.

At 10:16 AM 11/30/2013, David Abernathy wrote:
Neither does Legacy or any other
program.
None of them are 100% GEDCOM compliant.
 
 
Thanks,
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Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] GEDCOM
 
All I did was copy my 7.5 data files over to a new data folder for 8 then
had 8 convert it.  Anyone who exports to a GEDCOM is going to have a
lot of work ahead of them.  I remember exporting to a GEDCOM from
FTM back in 2009 and I'm still fixing all the problems it created. 
FTM doesn't like users to transfer to a better program without giving you
more headaches.
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Potential Problems - Event Date Out of Range

2013-11-30 Thread John B. Lisle

Mike,

I am doing two one name studies that are heavily UK, and I am not in
the position, like many of us, to order a certificate for every BMD
event I can use in my study. So, I wanted to create a protocol for
recording vital event information based just on the BMD registration
information and make sure that it was clear visually that this
registration info was the source of the vital event information.

I have created a series of events: Birth, Marriage, and Death
Registrations. This is where I record the UK BMD registration records.

Unless I have a better date for the actual birth, marriage or death,
I will use those registration Q dates for birth, marriage, and death.
BUT, if I have a more accurate date, I will use the more accurate date.

--> When I record a Registration event, I use the Registration
District (RD) as the location. If I use a registration date for a
vital event date, I will also use the RD location as the vital event
location, unless I have a better location from census or elsewhere.

For instance, if I have a baptism date, I will record the birth dates
as "before ", unless the birth registration date was in
a previous quarter to the baptism date.

I will follow a similar protocol with a death date if I have a burial date.

If I have a death date, I record a burial date as an after  (unless I have the burial date) so that date field is not empty
and chronology reports are accurate.

Yes, when a death date is a Q date, a burial date cannot be created
using this approach.

Yes, the death registration event is setup so it is not included in a
problem report as it logically should always be after death.

BTW, a lot of work went into assuring that the Q dates and other
approximate dates do the right thing when doing PP Alerts. There may
be some conditions we did not test and some that logically could
never be 100% right, but we have definitely minimized the number of
cases where users will need to do the exclusions and the number of
cases where you miss a problem that should have been caught.

john.

At 08:19 AM 11/30/2013, Mike Fry wrote:
>On 2013/11/30 14:50, Michele/Support wrote:
>
> > Under Problems
> > Buried date before death date
> >
> > This one definitely catches the typos:)
>
>Gives false positives when there's an actual burial date but the
>only death date
>has been taken from the GRO in England and entered as Mmm Q . Even though
>the quarter covers the burial date, the program still thinks the burial is
>before the death.
>
>--
>Regards,
>Mike Fry
>Johannesburg (g)

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Re: [LegacyUG] event sorting

2013-11-30 Thread John B. Lisle

Gene et al,
I think you need to read the help on this new sorting function to see how
carefully this new function was thought out. We knew we had to deal with
folks who were particular about their order. And we knew many folks had
events entered with no dates. 
Let me assume you are not talking about a global sort, but just a sort of
the events for a person or a relationship. That sort has some different
rules and considerations.
Once you order the events, the only sorting that is done is when you edit
the date of an existing event or add an event. And the sort is just to
put that event in its place. Legacy does not resort all of the events
again.
And, if you do not like where it lands, you can manually order it using
the arrow keys... which is a lot less work than you had to do in previous
versions where every event had to be manually ordered to the sequence you
wanted it.
Now if you do not like the feature, just turn off all of the 2.2 options
and you have what you had in L7.5.
For me, this has been wonderful. I had to do some work recently with an
L7.5 file and having to sort every event was such a pain
AND... let me remind people of a trick they can use to make undated
events appear in a particular order: Use private dates: [[1925]]. Any
date field in Legacy can be populated by a private date. Private dates,
like Private notes, use double square brackets around the date you want
to hide. 
I do this for birth dates all the time when I do not have a good date
from a source but I can estimate the date. I make the date private so it
does not show in reports or exports (I really do not wish to publish
anything with guess for a date because someone might pick it up and think
it is real...) but the date then sorts correctly in Index view or Name
List. When you are doing a study and lots of people have the same name,
this helps organize where in the time line this person is.
When you do it for an event, you are then having the event date sort to
your correct place when you do any event sorting.
john.

At 07:24 PM 11/30/2013, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
Gene,Â 
I'm sorry, but I disagree.Â 
I would prefer that when there is a duplicate date, those events should
then be sorted alphabetically.Â 
I can see your point, as there may be situations where you might want a
specific sequenceÂ 
Which I think would be a better option than in the order they were
entered as maybe the first record wasnt found until after the other ones)
Â 
I would suggest you make a suggestion for future upgradesÂ 
JayÂ 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Gene Young
 wrote:

That does not help. Â If you need to do a sort by date manually it
still decides for you that you really meant to screw up your sort order.
Â It should not add additional sort criteria to any sort. Â  By Date
should be by date, no other criteria added.

On 11/30/2013 12:08 PM, Sherry/Support wrote:
> You can turn off the automatic sorting. Â In Options >
Customize,
> select your choices in option 2.2
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Gene Young
 wrote:
>> I have just noticed some extremely bad behavior in Legacy
8.
>>
>> In V7, I would select to sort events by date and the events
would first sort by date then by the order in which events were entered
in the event of duplicate dates. Â This was and is the desired effect.
>>
>> In V8, however, it first sorts by date, as it should. Â
Then, unasked, it sorts alphabetically in the case of identical dates. Â
If I wanted it to sort alphabetical I would ask it to do so. Â This is
absolutely not acceptable behavior.
>>
>> I have not found anything in the help files on how to stop
this behavior.Time for a problem report.
>> --
>>
>> Gene Young
>
>
--

Gene Young
Researching Young, Harer, Cox & Sallada
With Legacy Family Tree

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Re: [LegacyUG] Loop on Map Family

2013-11-30 Thread John B. Lisle

Kathy,
Thanks for your specific location that is causing a problem.
I realize that the issue is not the location, but that in having it in a
location, mapping of a family with that location goes into some spasm of
looping trying to resolve the issue.
Correct?
OK, I tried some unresolved location from one of my FF and did not see
any problems. Now with you specific location, I tried again. And still do
not see your looping.
I see it not being successful and putting a ? in the field.
Somehow, this issue might be unique to your setup.
If you can see it at will, support may need a copy of your USR files to
understand the problem.
ok?
john.

At 08:28 PM 11/30/2013, Kathy Thompson wrote:
Thanks Mary, but I know where
the location is - it's the program that couldnt find it because of the
abbreviations used and that was causing the loop in the "Map
Family" which was the initial reason for this post.
I'm gradually standardising all my location names so this doesnt happen
again.

On 1 December 2013 11:15, Mary Young
wrote:

Hi Kathy

You mention, the Master Locations list map can't locate
Horn Hall stanhope Co DHM Eng

Stanhope is on the map! - but the Master Locations List does not
understand your abbreviations, "Co DHM" and "Eng"
.

Try using Â justÂ DURÂ (the correct Chapman Code
for Co.Durham) rather than Â Co DHM,Â Â andÂ
EnglandÂ rather thanÂ Eng.

Any of these will take you to Stanhope:
Horn Hall Stanhope Co.Durham England
Horn Hall, Stanhope, DUR, England
Horn Hall, Stanhope, Co. Durham, England

Unfortunately, the Bing Maps aren't the best for UK. But after
locating Stanhope on the Legacy map, you can use Google Earth for Horn
Hall Farm's Lat. & Long.
Hope this helps.
Mary Young

Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 and GeoExtraCodes.txt and GeoStateCodes.txt files

2013-11-30 Thread John B. Lisle

John,

You just have to know where to put them. ;-) They work fine. I have
been using them every day.

They go in [MyDocuments]\Legacy Family Tree\_AppData\Misc

Have you installed the GeoDB successfully?

OK?

john.

At 07:23 PM 11/30/2013, John Makepeace wrote:
>A *little bit* of a learning curve for me, but already LOVING Legacy
>Family Tree version 8 so far
>
>However, I'm having a wee bit of trouble getting Legacy to recognize
>my modified GeoExtraCodes.txt and GeoStateCodes.txt files.  I prefer
>the words "County" or "Co." automatically added to location names as
>in "Peekskill, Westchester *County*, New York," and I also prefer
>the "old style" state abbreviations such as "Calif." for California
>vs. the postal code, "CA." As in previous versions, I copied the
>respective original Legacy text files, appended the filenames with
>"-Alt" as in "GeoExtraCodes-Alt.txt," and made the necessary
>modifications in the -Alt files. It worked fine in version 7.x, but
>version 8 doesn't seem to be recognizing the changes.  Anything I'm
>doing wrong? Any help would be much appreciated.
>
>I'm using Windows 7 Premium and Legacy 8.0 full version.
>
>Kind Regards,
>
>John M.
>Alexandria, Va., U.S.A.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Potential Problem (date) won't correct

2013-11-30 Thread John B. Lisle

Kathy and Bryan, et al,
First, An obit event should always be after death so in the event
definition, the event should have Exclude from Problems checked so it
never is a problem. If yours is not checked, check it.
Second, sometimes the alerts are tricky as to what is the problem. When
you see the alert, left click the popup to read the details of what
Legacy thinks is the problem.
My experience is that alerts go away fairly quickly when the condition
clears, but you have to let Legacy redraw the page.
Bryan, it is not a problem to both exclude the master event from problem
checking AND the instance of the event, but you really should not be
excluding the instance if the master is already excluded. You do not gain
anything.
As an aside, I do not disable alerts until I have fully qualified that my
data is correct. If I have a "soft" record for a date of a
birth or marriage, I will let the alert stay as a reminder that I have
some verification that needs to be done.
john.
At 11:33 PM 11/30/2013, Kathy Thompson wrote:
have you moved away from that
person's screen and then come back?
I have noticed as much as a 5 second delay in the (!) leaving after an
item is checked as ok.
second option would be run a check and repair
third option would be to exit and reload
if none of those fix it, then come back with some more details
perhaps?

On 1 December 2013 14:05, Bryan Pratt
wrote:

W8.1 32bit, Legacy 8.0.0.356

An individualâs window shows a generic problem (!).

His information screen shows a (!) next to an Obituary event which,
of course, is after the death or burial event. Clicking theÂ event givesÂ
a checkbox (at the very bottom)Â âExclude this instance of this eventÂ
from problem checkingâ. Check that. Save event. (!) still remains.

If you hover his (!) next to his name to get the Potential Problems
balloon and click to view details you get the PP list, with an option to
click buttonÂ âMark as not a problemâ and then close. This doesnât
seem to fix the issue. The (!) still remains.

Bryan

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 and GeoExtraCodes.txt and GeoStateCodes.txt files

2013-12-01 Thread John B. Lisle

Marion,
They have not changed.
The ones installed for the base ones are good to go. The -alt files you
create will be dated as you create them. Just never, never change the
base ones. All changes in the alt.
john.
At 03:35 AM 12/1/2013, 2marion wimps wrote:
Small query - should the date of
the files be updated to 2013? I have downloaded V8 and also the Geo codes
etc. but when I look under the [MyDocuments]\Legacy Family
Tree\_AppData\Misc it is showing a 2012 dateÂ for Country Codes, a 2005
date for County codes. a 2008 date for Extra Codes and a 2008 date for
State Codes.
Marion

On 1 December 2013 10:34, John B. Lisle
<leg...@tqsi.com> wrote:

John,

You just have to know where to put them. ;-) They work fine. I
have

been using them every day.

They go in [MyDocuments]\Legacy Family Tree\_AppData\Misc

Have you installed the GeoDB successfully?

OK?

john.

At 07:23 PM 11/30/2013, John Makepeace wrote:

>A *little bit* of a learning curve for me, but already LOVING
Legacy

>Family Tree version 8 so far

>

>However, I'm having a wee bit of trouble getting Legacy to
recognize

>my modified GeoExtraCodes.txt and GeoStateCodes.txt files. Â I
prefer

>the words "County" or "Co." automatically
added to location names as

>in "Peekskill, Westchester *County*, New York," and I
also prefer

>the "old style" state abbreviations such as
"Calif." for California

>vs. the postal code, "CA." As in previous versions, I
copied the

>respective original Legacy text files, appended the filenames
with

>"-Alt" as in "GeoExtraCodes-Alt.txt," and
made the necessary

>modifications in the -Alt files. It worked fine in version 7.x,
but

>version 8 doesn't seem to be recognizing the changes. Â Anything
I'm

>doing wrong? Any help would be much appreciated.

>

>I'm using Windows 7 Premium and Legacy 8.0 full version.

>

>Kind Regards,

>

>John M.

>Alexandria, Va., U.S.A.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Installation - GLBF797.tmp

2013-12-01 Thread John B. Lisle



Glenn,
One of the changes in Legacy 8 is to install by default into Program
Files to comply with Microsoft standards. Prior to L8, the install
directory included files that Legacy edited during program execution.
Now, those files show up in the user's My Documents folder.
The Avast problem does not block the proper installation. It just causes
- in Win 7, at least - messages that seem that there is a problem. I
wrote a long message on this earlier.
john.

At 10:31 AM 12/1/2013, Glenn Woodman wrote:
Bill Boswell,
Regarding conflicts with AV software and installing Legacy (as well as
other downloaded programs), I share the experiences of you and others
using Norton.Â  Before Norton, the freebie AV software I used had a
check boxÂ for disabling protection.Â  That allowed the target
software to "come through the door" with no
interruption.Â  After successful installation, I just re-enabled
protection.Â  Perhaps those who use Avast might explore if that
program has a similar feature.
My question to you is about your comment that you "don't let the
installation put it [Legacy] in the Program Files."Â  I am
curious about this, as it is my understanding that by default Legacy
installs in the root directory.Â Does itÂ want to install in Program
Files in your case? Â I've never understood why, and don't know the pros
or cons ofÂ installing it in one place or the other.Â  I've never
questioned it, as I figured the developers had their particular reasons
for setting it up that way.Â  But I am somewhat curious.
Glenn Woodman

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:09 AM, William Boswell
<whbosw...@gmail.com>
wrote:



Same here.Â  I've used Norton AV products for years (currently
Norton 360) and had no problems with Legacy 7.5 or with the new
8.0.Â  No problems with installation or use.

Â 

I stay away from the freebie AV programs.Â  Symantec who
produces the Norton programs is a reputable company.

Â 

When I installed Legacy 8 Deluxe this morning, I didn't let the
installation put it in Program Files.Â  I put it in the root
directory of my C drive like I did with Legacy 7.5.Â  I also have
Windows 7's User Account Control turned off which can interfere with a
lot of programs.

Â 

Bill Boswell

Â 

From: Mary LeClerc
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Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:45 PM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Installation -
GLBF797.tmp

Â 

I've used Norton's since day one on the internet and never have any
problems downloading reputable programs like Legacy.Â  Just
downloaded Legacy 8 and again it went smooth as butter.

Â 

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:00 AM, John B. Lisle
<leg...@tqsi.com>
wrote:

Gene,

Are you using the Free Avast AV or the Avast Internet Security?
I

believe the problem is with the Internet Security version only.
Some

of the secondary Windows issues are only appearing with Win 7 and
above.

john.




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RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 and GeoExtraCodes.txt and GeoStateCodes.txt files

2013-12-01 Thread John B. Lisle

John, et al,
You do NOT want to mess with any files in 
Program Files (x86)\Legacy8\
and in this case...
Program Files (x86)\Legacy8\_AppData\Misc\
The install works by first installing the software to 
Program Files (x86)\Legacy8\  (unless you designated somewhere
else...)
Then copies files from there to 
[My Documents]\Legacy Family Tree\'
During the running of Legacy, it uses the files in [My
Documents]
john.

At 08:50 AM 12/1/2013, John Makepeace wrote:
John,

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  Thanks for the info. FYI, copies of
the subject files are also in: 

Program Files (x86)\Legacy8\_AppData\Misc\

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  I was making my changes in this
(wrong) folder!

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â  After modifying the files in the
correct folder, everything is working properly now.

Thanks so much!

John M.
Alexandria, Va., U.S.A.

From: John B. Lisle
[
mailto:leg...@tqsi.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 4:43 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 and GeoExtraCodes.txt and
GeoStateCodes.txt files

Marion,
They have not changed.
The ones installed for the base ones are good to go. The -alt files you
create will be dated as you create them. Just never, never change the
base ones. All changes in the alt.
john.
At 03:35 AM 12/1/2013, 2marion wimps wrote:

Small query - should the date of the files be updated to 2013? I have
downloaded V8 and also the Geo codes etc. but when I look under the
[MyDocuments]\Legacy Family Tree\_AppData\Misc it is showing a 2012
dateÃ for Country Codes, a 2005 date for County codes. a 2008 date for
Extra Codes and a 2008 date for State Codes.
Marion

On 1 December 2013 10:34, John B. Lisle
<leg...@tqsi.com> wrote:
John,
You just have to know where to put them. ;-) They work fine. I have
been using them every day.
They go in [MyDocuments]\Legacy Family Tree\_AppData\Misc
Have you installed the GeoDB successfully?
OK?
john.
At 07:23 PM 11/30/2013, John Makepeace wrote:
>A *little bit* of a learning curve for me, but already LOVING
Legacy
>Family Tree version 8 so far
>
>However, I'm having a wee bit of trouble getting Legacy to
recognize
>my modified GeoExtraCodes.txt and GeoStateCodes.txt files. Ã I
prefer
>the words "County" or "Co." automatically
added to location names as
>in "Peekskill, Westchester *County*, New York," and I
also prefer
>the "old style" state abbreviations such as
"Calif." for California
>vs. the postal code, "CA." As in previous versions, I
copied the
>respective original Legacy text files, appended the filenames
with
>"-Alt" as in "GeoExtraCodes-Alt.txt," and
made the necessary
>modifications in the -Alt files. It worked fine in version 7.x,
but
>version 8 doesn't seem to be recognizing the changes. Ã Anything
I'm
>doing wrong? Any help would be much appreciated.
>
>I'm using Windows 7 Premium and Legacy 8.0 full version.
>
>Kind Regards,
>
>John M.
>Alexandria, Va., U.S.A.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Excruciatingly slow gedcom export

2013-12-01 Thread John B. Lisle

Cliff and Brant,
As has been discussed day before yesterday on this list, the issue seems
to be related to Shared Events, even if you have no shared
events.
In the Gedcom Export Customize form, exclude Shared Events from the items
to be exported and the export speeds up.
Development is aware of the issue and, I assume, is looking at
it.
john.
At 11:07 AM 12/1/2013, Cliff Gittens wrote:
Just as information I just did
my first v8 export. Â The file has 55,000 people in it and it took only
about 10 to 15 minutes.
Cliff Gittens
Surrey, BC, Canada

On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Brant Gibbard

wrote:

I sincerely hope that some effort is going to be put in to optimizing
the gedcom export code for Legacy 8, particularly for large
files.

In Legacy 7 the export to gedcom of the section of my file that I use
to update my TNG site took about 1015 minutes to complete.

In Legacy 8 the same process on essentially the same file with the
same options just took 3 and a half hours!!! The biggest culprit appears
to be the âmarking recordsâ stage in between the first pass and the
second pass. That portion gives the appearance of sticking in one place
with no apparent motion that could easily give the impression that the
export had hung (although it does eventually move on after over an hour
to the next stage)

Brant Gibbard

Toronto, ON

http://bgibbard.ca

Re: [LegacyUG] PP Alert Details Hang [was: Legacy 8]

2013-12-01 Thread John B. Lisle

Glenn,
All of the evidence points to this being some problem with customizations
as not everyone sees it. 
However, it seems to have been fixed with Build 356. I was seeing it
previously and cannot reproduce it now.
john.
At 10:51 AM 12/1/2013, Glenn Woodman wrote:
My experience is that the
program hangs when I "click to see details."Â I get no run-time
error.Â  Â If I right-click, or shift-right-click, I am taken to the
correct dialog boxesÂ  However, if I left-click to see details
(which I presume is intended to inform me of where the problem lies), the
program hangs.Â  The only way to get Legacy to come out of it is to
kill it through Task Manager.Â  Before doing so, I went through the
check/repair file process and restarted Legacy.Â  No error messages
came up.Â  Task Manager indicates that Legacy is not
responding.Â  I've even tried waiting as much as five minutes to see
if it would begin to respond again.Â  It did not.
I am running Win7, have the 8.0.0.355 build, and experienced no problems
in downloading and installing the program.
Glenn Woodman

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:06 AM, C.G. Ouimet
<c.g.oui...@outlook.com
> wrote:

I'm glad it works properly for you. I doesn't for some of us. I'm in
Deluxe ...

C.G. Ouimet

Kingston ON

-Original Message-

From: Brian/Support
[
mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]

Sent: November 27, 2013 02:01 PM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] PP Alert Details Hang [was: Legacy
8]

The clicks all work for me in 8.0.0.353. I tried both with
Legacy

8.0.0.353 running in Standard Mode (Where Potential Problems lists
are not available) and in Deluxe.

In standard mode the click brought up a Deluxe only feature screen
telling me potential problem lists are a deluxe feature. Right click and
Shift right click brought up the screens to either exclude the problem
for the individual or the main setting screen to change the criteria for
the entire file.

In Deluxe mode the click produced the potential problem list instead
of the deluxe feature screen.

The problems that I checked were:

1. a gap problem, child born more than 48 months after previous child
(called from the PP indicator on the child in family view) 2. Burial date
before death date (called by clicking on the PP indicator for the person
as husband in main family view) 3. an event date after death date.
(called from the PP indicator in the event list)

Brian

Customer Support

Millennia Corporation

br...@legacyfamilytree.com

http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

On 27/11/2013 1017, C.G. Ouimet wrote:

> 800.353 hangs when you do any of that ...

>

>

> C.G. Ouimet

> Kingston ON

>

>

> -Original Message-

> From: Kurt Kneeland
[
mailto:kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net]

> Sent: November 27, 2013 09:59 AM

> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] PP Alert Details Hang [was: Legacy
8]

>

> As you said, when you hover over a pp icon, you get options to
change settings. Do the Shift-Right Click and then go to the Gaps tab. Â
There you can change the soon or long after marriage, and how soon or
long between children to be flagged as a problem.

>

> -Original Message-

> From: Teresa Goatham
[
mailto:ter...@goatham.co.uk]

> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:32 AM

> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] PP Alert Details Hang [was: Legacy
8]

>

> I even managed to get Legacy to crash trying to turn off a
Potential

> problem - not sure exactly what I did, now though, and it
has'nt

> happened a 2nd time (but I have turned more off)

>

> It seems strange to me that if I hover over the PP icon I get
options to change my overall settings, but not to mark that particular
possible problem as not an issue. Especially the gaps, there are loads
I'd like to be able to switch off quickly; I know they're not a problem
without clicking to see the details.

>

> So many I may just turn off reporting for the gaps, good idea,
but the

> numbers used just don't work for much of my tree. I wish I
could

> change them, e.g. at one time most of the working class in
England

> (i.e. most

> people) were expecting a child when they married, so less than
an 8 mth gap between marriage and 1st child's baptism was probably the
norm, certainly very common. At other periods or classes it was rare,
hence being able to the change from 8 mths would be useful.

>

> Teresa

>

> On 26/11/2013 22:31, John B. Lisle wrote:

>> Hi,

>>

>> This has seemed to be an intermittent issue that started
late in the

>> testing cycle. Not everyone sees it, and it may only occur
on certain

>> type of PP Alerts.

>>

>> Please email me privately with details of what you see.

>>

>> thanks,

>> john.

>>

>> At 04:18

Re: [LegacyUG] E mail test and customer number

2013-12-01 Thread John B. Lisle



Richard et al,
If you are still waiting since Tuesday and you got an email confirmation
of your order, somehow your customer number was lost in your spam or
something. Everything I hear tells me that they have caught up on their
backlog. 
If you do not have your number by now, write Customer Service.
The email should be coming from :
Legacy Customer Service

with a subject line (something like...) :
"Here is your Legacy 8.0 Deluxe Customer Number..."
john.

At 02:27 PM 12/1/2013, Richard Van Wasshnova wrote:
Nov 26 was unlucky day. I paid
the 26th also and still waiting.
--Â 
Richard Van Wasshnova
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:19 AM, porter

wrote:


Lucky you. Purchased mine 26th and still waiting.


Porter


-Original Message-

From: Brian
[
mailto:blr...@optonline.net]

Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 10:30 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: [LegacyUG] E mail test and customer number

Hello Lug,

I'm testing my Lug address and wanted to say I purchased full version
of Legacy 8 about 2 hours ago and just received my

customer number.

Thank you Legacy!




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RE: [LegacyUG] PP Alert Details Hang [was: Legacy 8]

2013-12-01 Thread John B. Lisle

C G,
Let me say something at the outset what may be uncomfortable to hear, L8
was released with fewer known bugs than L7.0 had when it was released and
that L7.5 has now. This is just a numerical fact from the bug tracking
system. We are just accustomed to the bugs in L7.5...
That does not say that L8 is perfect... that never happens... L8 testing
and development had gotten to the point that among the testers, we were
not seeing new data destroying bugs. 
As a retired long time test manager, I knew the product was ready to be
exposed to a wider audience. Millennia made that decision that the time
was right, and, if you look back at this list from when L7.0 was
released, you will see many more birthing pains then than we are having
with L8.
When support got swamped with new orders, myself, and several of the
other testers, have chosen to fill in here to help the user base with the
birth of L8. It has been a full time, unpaid job for the past several
days. ;-)
In your following message, you said: "I have posted re a few issues
with v8 but theres a lot more. Reporting them all would be too time
consuming." 
If we are going to confirm them and get them sent to development, we need
to know about them.
Lastly, I will report the default install location issue, but I will also
repeat... you want to install Legacy in your C:\Program Files folder.
Virtually no testing was done with Legacy installed anywhere else. I have
alerted folks of this issue.
OK?
john.

At 03:07 PM 12/1/2013, C.G. Ouimet wrote:
Thanks John, I can confirm that

> 
However  This has revealed another issue with v8 (My list is getting
very long). In previous versions, the Legacy Update defaulted to install
the update in the folder where the existing version is installed. V8
defaults to C:\Program Files (x86\Legacy8 regardless of where v8 was
installed.

A lot of stuff broken in v8. Memories of past Legacies  Fix 1 thing,
break 5 others. I am regretting upgrading!

C.G. Ouimet
Kingston ON

From: John B. Lisle
[
mailto:leg...@tqsi.com] 
Sent: December 01, 2013 02:06 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] PP Alert Details Hang [was: Legacy 8]

Glenn,
All of the evidence points to this being some problem with customizations
as not everyone sees it. 
However, it seems to have been fixed with Build 356. I was seeing it
previously and cannot reproduce it now.
john.
At 10:51 AM 12/1/2013, Glenn Woodman wrote:
My experience is that the program hangs when I "click to see
details."Ã I get no run-time error.Ã  Ã If I right-click, or
shift-right-click, I am taken to the correct dialog boxesÃ 
However, if I left-click to see details (which I presume is intended to
inform me of where the problem lies), the program hangs.Ã  The only
way to get Legacy to come out of it is to kill it through Task
Manager.Ã  Before doing so, I went through the check/repair file
process and restarted Legacy.Ã  No error messages came up.Ã 
Task Manager indicates that Legacy is not responding.Ã  I've even
tried waiting as much as five minutes to see if it would begin to respond
again.Ã  It did not.
I am running Win7, have the 8.0.0.355 build, and experienced no problems
in downloading and installing the program.
Glenn Woodman

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:06 AM, C.G. Ouimet
<c.g.oui...@outlook.com
> wrote:
I'm glad it works properly for you. I doesn't for some of us. I'm in
Deluxe ...
C.G. Ouimet
Kingston ON
-Original Message-
From: Brian/Support [

mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: November 27, 2013 02:01 PM
To:

LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] PP Alert Details Hang [was: Legacy 8]
The clicks all work for me in 8.0.0.353. I tried both with Legacy
8.0.0.353 running in Standard Mode (Where Potential Problems lists are
not available) and in Deluxe.
In standard mode the click brought up a Deluxe only feature screen
telling me potential problem lists are a deluxe feature. Right click and
Shift right click brought up the screens to either exclude the problem
for the individual or the main setting screen to change the criteria for
the entire file.
In Deluxe mode the click produced the potential problem list instead of
the deluxe feature screen.
The problems that I checked were:
1. a gap problem, child born more than 48 months after previous child
(called from the PP indicator on the child in family view) 2. Burial date
before death date (called by clicking on the PP indicator for the person
as husband in main family view) 3. an event date after death date.
(called from the PP indicator in the event list)
Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com

http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
On 27/11/2013 1017, C.G. Ouimet wrote:
> 800.353 hangs when you do any of that ...
> 
> 
> C.G. Ouimet
> Kingston ON
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Kneeland [

mailto:kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net]
> Sent:

Re: [LegacyUG] Excruciatingly slow gedcom export

2013-12-01 Thread John B. Lisle

Cliff,
If you have shared events and want to export them, you cannot exclude
them so you are going to experience some decrease in speed. (If you try
your export with L7.5, you should see it faster, based on my personal
testing with files that size.)
The people who are seeing unreasonable time differences, have
significantly larger files than you have.
The problem seems to be in the code that tries to process shared events,
whether or not they exist.
It is my expectation (and hope!) that this will be repaired
quickly.
john.
At 03:16 PM 12/1/2013, you wrote:
Again just for info-- Â my
gedcom export for 55931 people and 20135 marriages took 10 minutes WITH
shared events selected. Â Mind you I only have 1 shared event in my file
and I don't know if this is the reason I don't seem to be experiencing
the same issues as some others on this list. Â
Cliff Â

On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 11:03 AM, John B. Lisle
<leg...@tqsi.com> wrote:

Cliff and Brant,

As has been discussed day before yesterday on this list, the issue
seems to be related to Shared Events, even if you have no shared
events.

In the Gedcom Export Customize form, exclude Shared Events from the
items to be exported and the export speeds up.

Development is aware of the issue and, I assume, is looking at
it.

john.

At 11:07 AM 12/1/2013, Cliff Gittens wrote:

Just as information I just did my first v8 export. Ã The file has
55,000 people in it and it took only about 10 to 15 minutes.

Cliff Gittens

Surrey, BC, Canada

On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Brant Gibbard
<bgibb...@ca.inter.net>
wrote:

I sincerely hope that some effort is going to be put in to optimizing
the gedcom export code for Legacy 8, particularly for large files.

In Legacy 7 the export to gedcom of the section of my file that I use
to update my TNG site took about 1015 minutes to complete.
>

In Legacy 8 the same process on essentially the same file with the
same options just took 3 and a half hours!!! The biggest culprit appears
to be the Ã¢marking recordsÃ¢ stage in bet between the first pass and
the second pass. That portion gives the appearance of sticking in one
place with no apparent motion that could easily give the impression that
the export had hung (although it does eventually move on after over an
hour to the next stage)

Brant Gibbard
Toronto, ON
http://bgibbard.ca

RE: [LegacyUG] Favorite Option

2013-12-01 Thread John B. Lisle



C G, Randy, et al,
When we first got to testing the PP Alerts, I felt the same way you are
feeling. Today, the number of PP Alerts that pop up incorrectly - as
determined by your settings - is very small. And when they happen, tell
us about them so that the developers can look into them and get them
fixed.
There are two activities you can do that can significantly reduce your
"false alarms".
1/ If you have various naming conventions for unknown given and surnames,
you can list those in a file called UnknownName.txt. Help has the
details. This allows you to still find problems in names but exclude the
bulk of the names that you expect to not conform to
"standards".
2/ The NEW category for Potential Problems called "Gaps" are
going to drive many people wild. I think you need to adjust your use of
those Gap settings. Please note that the settings for the Potential
Problems Report determine what types of problems you want Alerts for. You
can set the Gaps settings there for different time periods, or just turn
those settings off, if you choose not to worry about those settings. I
know I have fiddled with those to suit the needs of my family
files.
These instant PP Alerts are one of the great benefits of L8 as they alert
you while you are entering data if you have entered something that does
not make sense.
And, as mentioned by someone else, the ability to know when you add a new
person that the person may be a duplicate of someone already in your
file, can save you a ton of work.
L8 is going to change the way you do research and lots of folks do not
like to change their habits. In the long run, these features will promote
your research to being more accurate and better respected.
Just my opinion... I could be wrong...
john.
At 03:31 PM 12/1/2013, C.G. Ouimet wrote:
Especially since many of the
problems are really false alarms  Too many fallse alarms leads to
ignoring real ones 
 
 
C.G. Ouimet
Kingston ON
 
From: Randy Clark
[
mailto:ceddaco...@gmail.com] 
Sent: December 01, 2013 03:22 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Favorite Option
 
I love Option 8.11 as it lets me turn off those annoying warning
symbols.



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RE: [LegacyUG] Syncing with Families

2013-12-01 Thread John B. Lisle



Paul, Judith et al,
Another "sync" problem is with Family Tree Maker 2014. Last
time I tried, it did not yet have the ability to read L8 files. This says
that the GenBridge technology from Whollygenes (The Master Genealogist)
that FTM uses is not available for L8 yet.
Several vendors of 3rd party products did work with Millennia during the
test process and their tools should be available now or shortly to
support L8. You will need to contact each vendor for their
details.
john.

At 03:53 PM 12/1/2013, Paul Gray wrote:
There a post on the TelGen board
that says they are working on an update to Families Sync to support the
new Legacy file format, expected out by end of December, So for now, we
are out of luck. I wonder if this is an issue with other âcompanionâ
programs that directly read Legacy files?
 
Paul Gray
 
From: Judith
[
mailto:judithsfamilyt...@gmail.com] 
Sent: December-01-13 1:38 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Syncing with Families
 
Hello:  Hereâs a new one, I think when I tried to sync with the
program âFamiliessâ I get the message âThis database version is not
supportedâ.  I clicked on convert to SQlite file, and the same
message came up.  Any thoughts?
Judith



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Re: [LegacyUG] Not happy with v8

2013-12-01 Thread John B. Lisle

CG,
You are free to do what you wish.
As a tester, I know that myself, and most of my testing colleagues, were
not just testing that new features worked but that all of the functions
worked. I personally built new large family files with L8, faster that I
could have with L7.5. Created reports, exported Gedcoms to TNG, etc etc.

Talking out of turn maybe...
1/ Making Legacy 8 better conform to Microsoft standards was huge issue
for the testers world wide. It is the first step for Legacy making some
other moves to comply with expected 21st century standards in future
revisions. Remember, Millennia is not a huge company like Ancestry with
dozens of programmers and more money to spend than they know how to
spend. Moving from a 15+ year old platform to today's platform cannot be
done easily whilst maintaining the essential character of the product.

When Ancestry did this with Family Tree Maker, they lost a ton of
customers (many of which Legacy gained... ;-) ) and the character and
functionality of FTM today is quite different, but in many ways still not
what Legacy is today.
2/ Many L8 features are still to come. When this birthing is over, I
suspect we will start going on more new stuff. 
3/ Roots Magic is a good product but functionally not up to what Legacy
can do. It does some stuff better than Legacy but more things poorer than
Legacy. It does not give you all of the options that Legacy gives. AND RM
does not have the international support that Legacy has.
If a user does not want to be a pioneer with new software and help birth
ANY new product, wait 30-60 days to upgrade when the kinks get worked out
by those who do.
Hoping you will stay with the team... as I value your input,
john.
At 04:56 PM 12/1/2013, C.G. Ouimet wrote:
Thanks John but 

 From my perspective (Iâve been with Legacy since 2.0), v8 has more
issues than any other release and Iâve had all the versions.

And BTW, Legacy used to install where you wanted it to and updated there.
V8 broke that mold and that Windows standard. 

Thereâs a lot of history with the addition of features to Legacy that
result in existing features getting broken because the testing is too
focused on the new features and not on potential collateral damage.

I have Legacy to manage my genealogy data, not to be a software developer

> 
So, not OK 

Iâm reverting back to v7.5 and the Â backup I did before downgrading to
v8. I may look at v8 again in the future if the bugs get resolved.

But I may also move to RootsMagic and, since thereâs no Legacy
ability to import from RootsMagic, that would be a one-way move 

As far as Iâm concerned, I wasted $39 to downgrade to v8 

C.G. Ouimet
Kingston ON

From: John B. Lisle
[
mailto:leg...@tqsi.com] 
Sent: December 01, 2013 03:49 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] PP Alert Details Hang [was: Legacy 8]

C G,
Let me say something at the outset what may be uncomfortable to hear, L8
was released with fewer known bugs than L7.0 had when it was released and
that L7.5 has now. This is just a numerical fact from the bug tracking
system. We are just accustomed to the bugs in L7.5...
That does not say that L8 is perfect... that never happens... L8 testing
and development had gotten to the point that among the testers, we were
not seeing new data destroying bugs. 
As a retired long time test manager, I knew the product was ready to be
exposed to a wider audience. Millennia made that decision that the time
was right, and, if you look back at this list from when L7.0 was
released, you will see many more birthing pains then than we are having
with L8.
When support got swamped with new orders, myself, and several of the
other testers, have chosen to fill in here to help the user base with the
birth of L8. It has been a full time, unpaid job for the past several
days. ;-)
In your following message, you said: "I have posted re a few issues
with v8 but thereÂs a lot more. Reporting them all would be too time
consuming." 
If we are going to confirm them and get them sent to development, we need
to know about them.
Lastly, I will report the default install location issue, but I will also
repeat... you want to install Legacy in your C:\Program Files folder.
Virtually no testing was done with Legacy installed anywhere else. I have
alerted folks of this issue.
OK?
john.

At 03:07 PM 12/1/2013, C.G. Ouimet wrote:
Thanks John, I can confirm that Â
> 
However Â This has revealed another issue with v8 (My list is getting
very long). In previous versions, the Legacy Update defaulted to install
the update in the folder where the existing version is installed. V8
defaults to C:\Program Files (x86\Legacy8 regardless of where v8 was
installed.

A lot of stuff broken in v8. Memories of past Legacies Â Fix 1 thing,
break 5 others. I am regretting upgrading!

C.G. Ouimet
Kingston ON

From: John B. Lisle [

mailto:leg...@tqsi.com] 
Sent: December 01, 2013 02:06 PM

Re: [LegacyUG] Favorite Option

2013-12-01 Thread John B. Lisle



Jay,
1/ I do not know if the fields are case dependent. Please try and share
with us ;-)
2/ I do not think it has a comments line capability.
3/ Yes, this file is read what Legacy starts because it is needed when FV
is displayed. I do not have a problem with this.
4/ This is what I use:
[--?--] Miss Mister Daughter Son Child Infant Baby
[--?--]
john.
At 07:23 PM 12/1/2013, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
John,Â 
The Help text is not total clear on the UnknownName.txt Â
requirements...Â 
the example shows
Child ???

[--?--] NN ???

so does that mean then in a given name field with only the text
"Child" or "???" Â will be ignored when creating
potential problems? Â 
Does capitalization matter?? Â  Â  what if its
"child" ?
Will this text file allow for 'comments' ?
Like Â 
#Given names
Child ???
#Surnames Â Â 
[--?--]
Just most of us do not automatically know how to do these type
customizations! Â  Â But yet another reason why Legacy is so great!Â

Thanks
JayÂ 




Could you or someone provide an example of the contents of
unknownname.txt ?




On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Kurt Kneeland
<
kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:



Great tip on the UnknownName.txt file.Â  Iâve also seen
mention of .txt files for customizing the GeoCodes data.Â  Are there
any other of these little know customization techniques?

Â 

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Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 4:41 PM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Favorite Option

Â 

C G, Randy, et al,

When we first got to testing the PP Alerts, I felt the same way you
are feeling. Today, the number of PP Alerts that pop up incorrectly - as
determined by your settings - is very small. And when they happen, tell
us about them so that the developers can look into them and get them
fixed.

There are two activities you can do that can significantly reduce
your "false alarms".

1/ If you have various naming conventions for unknown given and
surnames, you can list those in a file called UnknownName.txt. Help has
the details. This allows you to still find problems in names but exclude
the bulk of the names that you expect to not conform to
"standards".

2/ The NEW category for Potential Problems called "Gaps"
are going to drive many people wild. I think you need to adjust your use
of those Gap settings. Please note that the settings for the Potential
Problems Report determine what types of problems you want Alerts for. You
can set the Gaps settings there for different time periods, or just turn
those settings off, if you choose not to worry about those settings. I
know I have fiddled with those to suit the needs of my family
files.

These instant PP Alerts are one of the great benefits of L8 as they
alert you while you are entering data if you have entered something that
does not make sense.

And, as mentioned by someone else, the ability to know when you add a
new person that the person may be a duplicate of someone already in your
file, can save you a ton of work.

L8 is going to change the way you do research and lots of folks do
not like to change their habits. In the long run, these features will
promote your research to being more accurate and better
respected.

Just my opinion... I could be wrong...

john.

At 03:31 PM 12/1/2013, C.G. Ouimet wrote:

Especially since many of the problems are really false alarms  Too
many fallse alarms leads to ignoring real ones 

Â 

Â 

C.G. Ouimet

Kingston ON

Â 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Not a Duplicate

2013-12-01 Thread John B. Lisle

Jay,

I am going to have to punt on this one, but I suspect no. Maybe
someone else has a more definitive answer. Of course, it would
require that the RINs had not changed.

It should be kept in the family file as it is very family file
specific. As such it should transfer over, but I do not know...

john.

At 10:05 PM 12/1/2013, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
>Can I use my "Not a duplicate" file from Ver 7.5 for my new Ver 8 ?
>
>If so, where was it located and where should it be placed for Ver 8?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jay

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RE: [LegacyUG] Family Search Integration [was: E mail test and customer number]

2013-12-01 Thread John B. Lisle

Bill,

Let me start out by saying that I am not a FS expert, but I have
played with it and done a bit of testing.

I think I can give some guidance.

1/ As far as I know, there is going to be little printed
documentation on the Family Search module. There is a limited amount
in Help. Geoff's strategy for training this has been short videos.
You will notice that the Help menu and the top line of FS have links
to watch videos. These should be your first line of understanding the module.

2/ When you set Option 1.11 in Legacy to integrate with FamilySearch,
you are only enabling the ability to link your Family File to the
FamilySearch Tree database. At this point no information has been exchanged.

3/ When you link a person in the Family Search DB with your Family
File, what you are doing is adding the FS ID of the person in the FS
DB to the Family Search ID field for person in your Family File. I
consider this fairly innocuous, as no data is exchanges either way.
The arrows go from gray-gray to become red-red because no information
has been exchanged.

4/ Once you have made a link, you can now add information to the
Family Search tree. As you had to login to use the tree, any
information that you add is now in the tree and credited to you, no
matter if you break the link or not. It is now available for everyone.

5/ If you add information from FS into your Family File, it is added
and does not go away because you broke the link.

6/ There is much more that is done and some of the activities need to
be done on the Family Search web site.

Family Search can be a very powerful addition to your research. And
contributing your information is going to make the FS tree all the
more potent as a research tool.

As I said in a previous message, many serious researchers - I know of
many from the Guild of One Name Studies (London) - who are using
Family Search tree as the place they archive their research.

AND, if you are an LDS member, FM is the site through which you
organize your Temple work.

Please note that Legacy Family Search on L7.5 and L8 is identical.
Major updates to both versions have been released in the last 30
days. And this module is awaiting the next level of certification
which will mean that users will be able to access more functionality
from the Legacy module.

john.

At 08:11 PM 12/1/2013, William Boswell wrote:
>I've done some experimenting with Family Search (not knowing what I
>was doing) by linking and transferring data from Legacy 8 to
>FS.  After I decided I should learn more about it, I deleted all
>those links and noticed the information I added was still on the FS
>website along with my name as the submitter.  I don't mind that, but
>I would think once the link is broken the information I linked to FS
>would disappear.  I prefer to not link and just add, but I am going
>to wait until I learn more.
>
>The FS website doesn't give any information about consequences or
>what linking is all about, or the pitfalls involved.
>
>Bill Boswell
>
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>
>
> The Help File for 7.5 does very little to explain how to
> use Family Search with or without Legacy 7.5.   You learn nothing
> about the consequences of matching, registering/contributing your
> tree, avoiding fostering duplicates, the detailed procedures for
> using it from Legacy,  the rationale and pitfalls of the whole thing.
>
> Sorry to complain but these are issues.  Not sure why we
> had lesser priority than new buyers but glad to know we are still
> somewhere in the queue.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] edit child

2013-12-01 Thread John B. Lisle

Marion, et al,
I also was a fan of double click navigating. Unfortunately, we found that
it did not function well with the new Family View. It took me a few days
to get comfortable with editing children (or parents!) by RIGHT-clicking
on the person and selecting Edit. 
Now I do that event when working with L7.5.
john.
At 08:33 PM 12/1/2013, 2marion wimps wrote:
Is there a chance we can get
this back again? Having the single and double click removed and the
hovering action moved is very aggravating - there also seems no easy way
to view each child of a parent as you used to - when you click on the
child it automatically pops up to the main screen in Family View.
Marion

On 2 December 2013 00:40, Bert van Kootwijk

wrote:

No missed setting. This feature is removed.

Bert

Rose Hatten schreef op 1-12-2013 17:22:

> In v 7, I could edit a child by hovering, and having a box pop
up with the

> editing option. Â That isn't working for me in version 8. Â Does
anyone

> know what setting I may have missed?

>

> Rose

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RE: [LegacyUG] export gives different number of persons

2013-12-02 Thread John B. Lisle

Rose, Kurt, et al,

Yes, currently, on a Gedcom and Legacy export
only export the items on the various lists that
are actually used by the Family File. An issue
has been raised (by me...) to the developers to
give the user an option to export all list items.

But Privacy concerns are likely only thing that
can change the number of people not exported.

That said, we have seen from time to time that
the counts on the File Information page, are not
necessarily dynamically generated.

When I have seen a discrepancy in the people
export count, I have done a Check-repair to bring the numbers in alignment.

If you are worried about the counts, I suggest
that before you check those numbers, do from the
File ribbon a backup, Maintenance/check-repair,
another backup, then close and re-open Legacy.
Then you should see very precise current numbers in those counts.

Then do your export, setting all of your privacy
overrides ON. Then you should see the number of
people exported equaling the number of people in your Family File.

ok?

john.


At 09:17 AM 12/2/2013, Kurt Kneeland wrote:
>My guess would be that you have unused/unlinked
>items in your master lists.  Those won't get exported in a GEDCOM.
>
>For Surnames, if you add an individual and
>mistype his surname, that gets added to the
>master list.  When you go back and correct it on
>the individual, the corrected version gets added
>to the master list.  Under View->Master
>Lists->Surname, there is an option to Purge Unused.
>
>Same for Master Locations.
>
>I haven't explored the others, but I imagine
>itâs the same or similar situation.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Rose Hatten [mailto:rmhat...@gmail.com]
>Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:11 AM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] export gives different number of persons
>
>Thanks, Kurt, that was part of it.  It improved
>some of the numbers, but not all.  Even when I
>did an export to a new Legacy file, the numbers
>were different.  It's just baffling why things
>like the number of unique surnames, master
>locations, master sources, and repositories
>would be different.  Guess I need more testing.
>Rose
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Kurt Kneeland" 
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 19:36:59 -0600
>Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] export gives different number of persons
>
> > I ran an export and my counts for individuals and families matched
>exactly.
> >
> > Check your Export Privacy Options.  If you have Private/Invisible
>individuals, marriages, events, etc., they won't
>be exported unless you select the applicable
>options.  There's also an option at bottom of
>the privacy options list that controls whether
>your privacy option selections are remembered for future exports.
> >
>
>
> > I tried to export my data, first to a GEDCOM, and second to a new
> > Legacy
>file.  Before doing the export, I did a
>check/repair and a compacting of the file. I
>exported all individuals in the file.
> >
> > The numbers in the export are not the same as reported in the General
>Information screen.  The database shows 2492
>persons, the exports, both to GEDCOM and Legacy,
>show 2348.  The numbers on master events, media
>items, repositories, event addresses, master
>sources, locations are all different from database to export.
> >
> > Does anyone know what would account for these differences?  Losing
> > almost
>150 people when exporting is distressing.  How
>can I reliably get my data exported from Legacy?
> >
> > Rose
>
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Not a Duplicate

2013-12-02 Thread John B. Lisle

Jay, Kurt, et al,

I have a better answer now that it is morning. ;-)

Go to Merge on the Tools Menu and select "Not-Dup List" to see what
you have for your family file.

john.

At 08:48 AM 12/2/2013, Kurt Kneeland wrote:
>I have no idea where or how the Not A Duplicate list is stored, but
>when my database converted from 7.5 to 8, the Not A Duplicate list
>was automatically brought over.  The only reason I can think of for
>its not transferring is if you used a GEDCOM transfer.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: John B. Lisle [mailto:leg...@tqsi.com]
>Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2013 11:51 PM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not a Duplicate
>
>Jay,
>
>I am going to have to punt on this one, but I suspect no. Maybe
>someone else has a more definitive answer. Of course, it would
>require that the RINs had not changed.
>
>It should be kept in the family file as it is very family file
>specific. As such it should transfer over, but I do not know...
>
>john.
>
>At 10:05 PM 12/1/2013, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
> >Can I use my "Not a duplicate" file from Ver 7.5 for my new Ver 8 ?
> >
> >If so, where was it located and where should it be placed for Ver 8?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Jay
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] sound files

2013-12-02 Thread John B. Lisle

Sherry, Randy, et al,

Do not forget that with the L8 Media Gallery, you have the ability to
Add Media/Sound directly as a sound file.

In fact, you could create a Family File of just your favorite
musicians and attach all of your music files to them as a sort of
personal iTunes... ;-)

john.

At 09:17 AM 12/2/2013, Sherry/Support wrote:
>Prior to v7 Deluxe you needed to do that with non picture, sound or
>video files, such as doc, pdf, xls, etc.
>
>Starting in v7 Deluxe, a "File" button was added for linking them.
>
>I would unlink the one with the Sound icon and relink it with the File
>button if you have v8 Deluxe.
>
>If you still have Standard, it's possible that the internal flagging
>shows it linked as a File and not a Sound - until you get the Deluxe,
>there would be no way to change it.
>
>
>Sincerely,
>Sherry
>Technical Support
>Legacy Family Tree
>
>
>On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Randy Clark  wrote:
> > I recall a time when non-image files needed to be added as sound files? In
> > one media gallery are two pdf files. One displays a sound file symbol. The
> > other doesn't.
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Family Search Integration [was: E mail test and customer number]

2013-12-02 Thread John B. Lisle



Kurt,
Well said!
john.
At 12:19 PM 12/2/2013, Kurt Kneeland wrote:
A large number of entries on
Family Search Family Tree are ones created by Family Search through its
initial imports from various other sources and have not yet been edited
or modified by anybody.
 
The long term goal is to have just one entry for any given individual 
heence the Merge functions  with multiple submitters contributing to
continually improve the quantity and quality of the information regarding
the individual.  This is the same philosophy as Wikipedia, where it
has worked very well, and Wikitree. Family Search Family Tree, and
Wikitree, are both still in their infancy, and have a long way to go to
reach their goals.  The hardest part is attracting contributors who
have the information, are willing to make the effort to post it, and make
the effort to clean up the duplicate and erroneous material.  The
Legacy Family Tree interface to Family Search Family Tree is a tool to
help make the job easier.
 
WikiTree and Family Search Family Tree are Collaborative Community
Trees, not just places for posting Your tree.  I use Rootsweb to
post my family tree.
 
For myself, I've dabbled with WikiTree and Family Search Family Tree, but
was kind of waiting for Legacy8, though what I was really waiting for was
the additional functionality of Plus level certification, which is still
pending.  I intend to do more.  One thing I do, is after I link
an individual in my database to one on FSFT, I add the FSFT individual to
my FSFT Watch List so that I'll get email if anyone edits anything
regarding that individual on FSTFT.
 
If you are going to be a contributor, start with your closest deceased
ancestors and work back from there.  You probably have the best info
on your parents and grandparents and there will be few collaborators that
you don't know.
 
From: Terry L.
[
mailto:nemesi...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 7:42 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Family Search Integration [was: E mail
test and customer number]
 
Good description John. I would like to add to what you said. Once you
open the link to FS you will see arrows beside  the information on
your family file and FS family file. If you click on those arrows you can
either add information you have from your file or can do add from the FS
file to your file. You will also see in the left hand pane at the top of
the FS information the ID number to/from which information would be
shared. I ALWAYS click on that to see who the person is and who the
contributor is. If I have contributed the information to/fromFS then I
will exchange updated information. If it someone else FS tree I do
not.
 
Terry



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Re: [LegacyUG] Opening Legacy

2013-12-02 Thread John B. Lisle

Elizabeth, et al,

If you are asked to convert every time, you are
trying to open your Legacy 7.x Family File.

Make sure that your Option 1.2 is set to Open Last Used file.

And after saving your settings, Go to Open File
on your File Ribbon and open your converted file.

john.

At 01:44 PM 12/2/2013, Elizabeth Hatchell wrote:
>Every time I open Legacy I am asked to convert
>my family file with three options.Â Â  Can
>anyone explain why I don't automatically get my
>usual family file opening now that I have
>started to use Legacy 8?Â  I understand why it
>happened the first time, but why hasn't Legacy learnt which file I'm using?
>Do I have to convert it afresh every time?
>Elizabeth

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Re: [LegacyUG] Custom Event Sentences in Legacy v8

2013-12-03 Thread John B. Lisle



Kathy, Charles, et al,
Your custom event sentences from L7.5 should migrate to L8. However, you
might wish to spend a few minutes reviewing them as the sentence syntax
has has changes and there are extensions.
Let me emphasize, that to get these conversions, you must convert the
family file and not do a Gedcom import as some folks have suggested doing
to upgrade.
Make sure that you review and set option 7.10 before you do the
conversion. 
john.

At 08:06 PM 12/2/2013, Kathy Thompson wrote:
I'm not sure - I think I might
have.
I'll have to double check a few different types, but I think I might have
because the one I'm looking at at the moment doesn't look right in it's
display.

On 3 December 2013 10:25, Charles Apple
<
apple1...@centurylink.net> wrote:

Does one lose their "Custom Event Sentences" when opening a
Legacy 7.5
Family File in Legacy 8 Deluxe?

Charles




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Re: [LegacyUG] Index View "Customise Columns"

2013-12-03 Thread John B. Lisle

Kathy,

You will have to re-enter them for L8.

john.

At 08:14 PM 12/2/2013, Kathy Thompson wrote:
>I seem to have lost my custom columns in L8 that I had in 7.5.
>
>If I can find the 7.5 file for them, where should I move it to for
>my custom columns to come back in v8?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Geo-location db in v8

2013-12-03 Thread John B. Lisle

Cheryl,

The option to have partial GeoDBs was eliminated for L8.

Just go to Tools/Location Database and download and install it again.
The file is about the size of the Installer file for the program, so,
if you have slow Internet, plan ahead... ;-)

L8 does not remember where you installed it before.

I recommend just letting it install in the default location.

john.

At 08:40 PM 12/2/2013, singhals wrote:
>Does it have anything non-American in there?
>
>The one in V7 didn't; I really could use one for Europe and
>the subcontinent.
>
>Cheryl

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RE: [LegacyUG] Picture Folder location in Picture Centre will not save

2013-12-03 Thread John B. Lisle

Barry et al,

Let me start by reminding you, and all, that
Picture Center only works with image type files:
Not sounds or videos, or docs or PDFs, etc.

I am not sure I understand your problem.

This is what I think it is... When you close and
re-open Legacy, the "remembered" folder in the
picture list returns to being your default folder
as set in Option 6.2. If you want to look again
at your picture folder you have to navigate back
to it. However, if you just close and re-open
Picture Center, it will remember the last folder you were looking at.

OK?

john.

At 07:31 PM 12/2/2013, Barry Hardman wrote:
>Legacy 8.0.0.356
>
>Picture Folder location in Picture Centre will not save.
>
>Methodology used and which works correctly in V7.5.
>Option, Tools, Locations, 6.2 changed to
>G:\LegacyFamilyTree\MultimediaGeo\ which is external drive.
>
>View Current List of Media Folders and the following are listed:
>[Default Media Folder]\Documents\
>[Default Media Folder]\Pictures\
>[Default Media Folder]\Sounds\
>[Default Media Folder]\Videos\
>
>When Test All Media Folders... is run, all correct.
>
>Open Picture Centre, click on Picture List, no
>pictures indicated.  Click on Browse and folder
>named G:\LegacyFamilyTree\MultimediaGeo is
>highlighted, click on
>G:\LegacyFamilyTree\MultimediaGeo Pictures, OK and pictures display.
>
>Close Legacy, open Legacy and click on Picture
>Centre, Picture List and pictures are NOT displayed.
>
>Picture list contains some 15,431
>pictures.  Confirm this was not an issue in V7.5.
>
>Surely we are not required just to lump all
>document, pictures, sounds and videos into the folder called Media?
>
>Any assistance appreciated and if not easily resolved will Report a Bug.
>
>Barry

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Re: [LegacyUG] Custom Event Sentences in Legacy v8

2013-12-03 Thread John B. Lisle

Kathy, Kurt, et al,
In part because of Shared Events, a lot of changes were made to Event
Sentences.
Let me walk you through some of the changes.
1/ Option 7.10
With L8, the default sentences no longer have the [Notes] and [Sources]
fields included, UNLESS YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THEM... (see
below...)
This option, allows you to set which order in your sentences you want to
arrange those fields.
2/ Creating an event - Note can be included optionally.
When you create an event, you now have an option to not add notes to a
sentence. There is a checkbox at the top, that by default is checked,
that when unchecked, the Notes are not displayed when the sentence is
created.
3/ Editing an event - Add the notes.
When you edit an event, you have a checkbox that allows you for that
instance to not display notes when the Sentence is constructed.
4/ Editing Role Notes - 2 checkboxes
When you edit a role for a Shared event, you can elect to include in the
sentence, either the Main Notes or the Role Notes or both.
Back to Editing an Event Definition...
5/ Note the preview window that should show you what your sentence will
look like. Note you can decide what type of event it will be. 
And note the little blue dot that brings up a file you can edit that
provides text for the various replacement strings, if you feel a personal
need to do that. If you do edit it, please save a copy of your edits, as
this file may sometime in the future get overwritten by a Legacy
update.
6/ Reset Button
This button brings up a menu of 2 choices - 
a. Reset sentences to default
b. Reset sentences to that of another event. This I find exciting as it
allows me to load another event's sentences and then make minor edits -
or no edits - to work for new event.
Let me give an example:
I have customer events for "World War I Draft Registration" and
"World Ward II Draft Registration":
[EventName] for [Name] [onDate]
[~atPlace].[Desc][Sources]<:If[Notes]::[CR][Notes]>
I set the 8 sentences up for one of the events and just loaded the other
event from the first. With the [Event Name] field, no changes had to be
made at all.
Please note that the Condition _expression_ at the end of the sentence has
a different format in L8. L8's standard is to use <> angle
brackets, in place of [] square bracket, to enclose a
conditional.
<:If[Notes]::[CR][Notes]> is something I use with most of my events
so that, if I want note a line break inserted before the notes begin, it
does not appear if no notes are included with the instance of the
event.
L8 does not convert L7 [] conditionals to L8 <> conditionals, but
L8 syntax allows for either syntax. I switched mine over as I think the
<> is easier to read.
Does this explain better what is going on with basic custom event
sentences and notes.
john.
At 06:16 AM 12/3/2013, Kathy Thompson wrote:
no maybe not - but it did
rearrange things enough to be annoying.
I now have my notes in my description field and that has messed up my
sentences as a result.
For one event I had
[HeShe] resided at [Desc] [onDate] [inPlace]. [Notes][Sources]
Which would have given me
He resided at Oak Hill, Wethersfield Road on 31 March 1901 in Gosfield,
Essex, England. Family of Samuel (45), Martha (42) and children Elizabeth
(18), Basil (16), Priscilla (14), Frederick (11), Herbert (9) and John
(3)Â¹
Now I have 
[HeShe] resided at [Desc] [onDate] [inPlace].
Which gives me
He resided at Oak Hill, Wethersfield Road: Family of Samuel (45), Martha
(42) and children Elizabeth (18), Basil (16), Priscilla (14), Frederick
(11), Herbert (9) and John (3) on 31 March 1901 in Gosfield, Essex,
England.Â¹
Not the result I wanted - and it means I am going to have to find every
single one of these facts to correct them to the way I want the sentence
to read.

On 3 December 2013 20:32, Jenny M Benson

wrote:

On 03/12/2013 00:25, Charles Apple wrote:

> Does one lose their "Custom Event Sentences" when
opening a Legacy 7.5

> Family File in Legacy 8 Deluxe?

No!

--

Jenny M Benson

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Re: [LegacyUG] Geobase international location questions

2013-12-03 Thread John B. Lisle

Pam,

Please indulge me to talk about Location in
Legacy 8. Actually, little has changed since
Legacy 7 but many users do not have a strategy
for locations and mapping and such.

--> One of the major changes (and it is rather
minor) for L8 is that the GeoDB is now unified.
Instead of picking and choosing which regions you
want, you get to install a file that has all
regions. The file is a large download but it is
about the same size as the program installer file
so it should be no more of a problem to download.
Everyone should want to download and install this for L8.

Legacy has 2 tools for Geo Coding your locations.
Unfortunately, both operate, more or less, based
on current place names, not historical place names.

The strategy I use for a historical name is to
determine what the name of the place is now and
use the Bing map to find it. And, if that does
not work, try to find it with the GeoDB.

---> The GeoDB can be made to format the name of
a location with great flexibility using the
GeoCode-alt.txt files, but that is another lessone ;-)

Then, if found, go back to the Bing Map to use
more precise right click placement.

--> Sometimes, neither works. This is when I go
to Wikipedia or Google to have one of them try to
show me where the place is. Then "transfer" those
coordinates to Legacy. I will make a lot of use
of the Bing satellite views to try to place the
pin at the most favorable location.

Once I have the location resolved, I will then
create a new location with the historical name,
prefixed by the current name. When editing the
name, I check the box that says do not automatically geocode.

Then I go to the present day location, showing
the pin where the place is, then move to
historical named place and right click the pin to
the same place. Then edit the location to remove
the prefix new name which I only added so the two
places were next to each other in the place list.

This may sound confusing, but once you have done
it once or twice it becomes easy. And you can
figure out shortcuts to the process.

I have done 1000s of locations using these techniques.

Please note that the Bing maps can give a more
precise location than the GeoDB. But the GeoDB is
a great tool for assuring that the location name
is constructed correctly and all of the parts are spelled correctly.

For most US, Canada, and UK locations, the less
info you give Bing, the better it does. IE,
adding a county will often confuse it. For US, it keys off of City and state.

OK?

Do you have more questions?

john.

At 12:25 PM 12/3/2013, Pam Gosling wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I there any recommended format to list locations
>for the older Prussian now Pommeranian areas of
>former Germany now Poland? Iâm new to this,
>and in the archives from 2010, it seems that it
>is not possible for the Geobase to properly
>identify these locations? Â So, if this is true, are these my only options?:
>
>1.   Just not use the geobase feature and
>list the location as well as possible?
>2.   Look up lat/long date from online maps
>and insert to program? Or does that even work?
>3.   Another idea?
>4.   If I do add lat/long to database, does
>that get saved for others to use? Or just my file?
>
>If there is no way to use this mapping feature
>for international locations, is there a standard
>recommended format for myself to list, just so I have the proper format anyway:
>
>For example:
>
>Zeitlitz, Kreis Regenwalde, Pommerania, Prussia (old German )
>
>Which is now in:
>
>( town Polish not yet translated),
>Resko(Regenwalde), Lobez(âlike countyâ
>missing the Poland diacritical mark), Poland
>
>e.g. should I write either the (old) or
>new/current names in parentheses/inside
>brackets, with hyphens, or only list the current
>names and describe older German names in notes or something? Or what?
>
>And, is there a way to import the Polish
>diacritical letters(?right way to describe
>them?); they are not included in the options I
>can click on. When I tried to paste one to the
>family name in the address location field, it didnât keep the mark.
>
>I want to write the locations in such a way so
>that in the future if the mapping function for
>international locations ever comes about, I
>donât want to have to rewrite all of these.
>
>And, Iâm assuming this applies to both
>âeventsâ such as residence, and the address
>field for births, deaths, etc? Or would that make a difference?
>
>Thanks so much for all the gracious help on this list; very appreciated.Â  Pam
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Migrating Pictures etc from 7.5 Folder to 8 Media Folder

2013-12-03 Thread John B. Lisle



Wesley,
Let me step back and share some things and maybe then we can all speak
the same language.
First, the media process in L8 was designed to be simple. And for
someone, like yourself, whose files are organized, it should be trivial.

Remember what we are trying to do.
Every media object in your family file is associated with a file name and
a folder where that file name is supposed to be.
Your L7 and L8 family file includes a table of Media locations. You can
look at this table either at option 6.2 or from the Master lists tool.
Both show the same list of folders.
Question: Do you see that folder list in L7 and L8 and are they
correct?
Option 6.2 also has a tool for telling you if you have missing media.
Missing media is defined as media file names based on your family file
that are not in the folders they are supposed to be in.
Question: Does the Option 6.2 missing media list show any missing
media?
--> I would assign the Option 6.2 Default folder to the top level
folder where all of your media are on your K drive. I assign mine to a
junk folder because I do not use it...
Now... let us assume that the Missing test shows you have media that are
missing. Look at the missing.txt file and see why you have some images
that are not properly linked.
Or not...
Then just go to Media Relinker and get your media back to being properly
linked.
First, since you know all of your media is on your K drive, use the drive
selector control to select the K drive only.
Then press the Media Relinker button.
It will now scan your K drive and build a list of all of the locations
for each of the missing files. It may take a few minutes, but it gets the
job done.
Because it can only compare file names, it now needs to show you the
matches and let you decide if this is the right media. You get to browse
through the various files of that name that it found and then select
which one you want. 
--> I have the same file often in several places because I re-use it
in several family files. I have organized the files so that they upload
easily to my web publishing application TNG.
So, you need to select the right file from the right folder. Then you can
tell Relinker, take this file or you can tell it, take this file and any
other missing files you find in the same folder or you can tell it, none
of them is correct.
--> The second option might clear up your whole list!
Relinker will then take you to the next unresolved media.
When it completes, it will then tell you how many are still unresolved
and missing.txt will give you the list for you to resolve more manually.

Does this help?
john.
At 01:58 PM 12/3/2013, Wesley Johnston wrote:
If this is the correct solution,
then I would like Legacy to say so. Option 6.2 is precisely where I went
to try to deal with the problem.
If all I have to do is point this media pointer to my Legacy folder on my
K drive and have it then find all the media files in the Pix, Videos,
etc. folders, that would be ideal. But since it is a single pointer and
not specific to media type, I do not know what folder to point it at. I
certainly do not want it "discovering" media files, such as
reports, that I have created from my tree and stored either as PDF or JPG
files within my Legacy database folder but intentionally not in my media
folders.
But I am unwilling to experiment with this, since there are so many
implications and possible consequences if I do it wrong. They really
should have anticipated this issue when they eliminated the
media-type-specific location options and prepared a guideline for how to
make this migration.

From: Mary Moyer

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Migrating Pictures etc from 7.5 Folder to
8 Media Folder

Wesley
You don't need to migrate anything. I think what you need to do is set
your default location for media. Legacy8 has a default location, but it's
easy to change to what you want.
Options > Customize > Locations > item 6.2 (default locations
for media)
Mary


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Paul Gray

wrote:


Wesley,

 

I am trying to understand your situation but I canât. Please bear
with me as I ask in a different way questions Iâm sure you have already
answered.. I am absolutely positive that your media can stay exactly
where they are, and that there is no reason to change anything. I have my
media (only a few items) on a separate drive, and they are linked
identically in 7.5 and 8.0.

 

I donât think whatâs in 6.2 has anything to do with existing
links.

 

So, with respect to your existing media, are the links to the K drive
not there? I think you are saying that you can no longer see the images,
is that true?

 

Paul Gray

 

 

From: Wesley Johnston
[
mailto:wwjohnsto...@yahoo.com] 

Sent: December-03-13 11:20 AM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Migrating Pictures etc from 7.5 Folder to
8 Media Folder

 

Your configuration of folders

Re: [LegacyUG] Custom Event Sentences in Legacy v8

2013-12-03 Thread John B. Lisle



Marianne,
Thanks you.
As far as I know, everything like that you did with L7.x you can continue
to use in L8.
I prefer creating a good sentence in the Event Definition that would work
(for me!) 99% of the time. I have used the override only once or twice in
10 years.
However, my focus is on export to gedcom for web publishing with TNG. And
TNG does not currently do Sentences so I have to think more about
presenting information in a way that will be useful in TNG without fancy
sentences.
---> TNG Users: Time to rally Darrin to support sentences
john.
At 02:27 PM 12/3/2013, mbstx wrote:
Hi, John - great
explanation!  I have a related question.  Rather than use
custom event sentences in 7.5, when creating an Event, I use the Sentence
Overide tab option putting [Notes][Sources] in the text box there. 
Then I write my own sentence(s) in the text box for the Notes tab - that
way the sentence reads exactly as I like.
Will I still be able to do that in V8?
Marianne


-Original Message- 

From: "John B. Lisle" 

Sent: Dec 3, 2013 12:49 PM 

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com 

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Custom Event Sentences in Legacy v8 

Kathy, Kurt, et al,

In part because of Shared Events, a lot of changes were made to Event
Sentences.

Let me walk you through some of the changes.

1/ Option 7.10

With L8, the default sentences no longer have the [Notes] and
[Sources] fields included, UNLESS YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THEM... (see
below...)

This option, allows you to set which order in your sentences you want
to arrange those fields.

2/ Creating an event - Note can be included optionally.

When you create an event, you now have an option to not add notes to
a sentence. There is a checkbox at the top, that by default is checked,
that when unchecked, the Notes are not displayed when the sentence is
created.

3/ Editing an event - Add the notes.

When you edit an event, you have a checkbox that allows you for that
instance to not display notes when the Sentence is constructed.

4/ Editing Role Notes - 2 checkboxes

When you edit a role for a Shared event, you can elect to include in
the sentence, either the Main Notes or the Role Notes or both.

Back to Editing an Event Definition...

5/ Note the preview window that should show you what your sentence
will look like. Note you can decide what type of event it will be.


And note the little blue dot that brings up a file you can edit that
provides text for the various replacement strings, if you feel a personal
need to do that. If you do edit it, please save a copy of your edits, as
this file may sometime in the future get overwritten by a Legacy
update.

6/ Reset Button

This button brings up a menu of 2 choices - 

a. Reset sentences to default

b. Reset sentences to that of another event. This I find exciting as
it allows me to load another event's sentences and then make minor edits
- or no edits - to work for new event.

Let me give an example:

I have customer events for "World War I Draft Registration"
and "World Ward II Draft Registration":

[EventName] for [Name] [onDate]
[~atPlace].[Desc][Sources]<:If[Notes]::[CR][Notes]>

I set the 8 sentences up for one of the events and just loaded the
other event from the first. With the [Event Name] field, no changes had
to be made at all.

Please note that the Condition _expression_ at the end of the sentence
has a different format in L8. L8's standard is to use <> angle
brackets, in place of [] square bracket, to enclose a
conditional.

<:If[Notes]::[CR][Notes]> is something I use with most of my
events so that, if I want note a line break inserted before the notes
begin, it does not appear if no notes are included with the instance of
the event.

L8 does not convert L7 [] conditionals to L8 <> conditionals,
but L8 syntax allows for either syntax. I switched mine over as I think
the <> is easier to read.

Does this explain better what is going on with basic custom event
sentences and notes.

john.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Geobase international location questions

2013-12-03 Thread John B. Lisle

Randy,
Sorry, that is above my pay grade... ;-)
I do not know or remember why this was done, but I too would like to see
this changed. As it is now, Legacy seems to be converting back and forth
between decimal and dms a lot. 
I know when I enter the cemetery coordinates from FindaGrave, or
coordinates from Wikipedia, I need to do the conversion.
Considering that the Gedcom 5.5.1 standard is for decimal coordinates, it
should be better for Legacy's internal format to be Decimal.
The issue may be that the internal standard for the GeoDB is
DMS...
I know I would be willing to put up with a conversion if we then could
work on a consistent unit, as long as a tool continued to exist to
convert DMS to decimal.
thanks for your question.
john.

At 03:09 PM 12/3/2013, Randy Clark wrote:
Why won't Legacy use decimal
coordinates which are quite prevalent nowadays?

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 2:25 PM, John B. Lisle
<leg...@tqsi.com> wrote:

Pam,

Please indulge me to talk about Location in

Legacy 8. Actually, little has changed since

Legacy 7 but many users do not have a strategy

for locations and mapping and such.

--> One of the major changes (and it is rather

minor) for L8 is that the GeoDB is now unified.

Instead of picking and choosing which regions you

want, you get to install a file that has all

regions. The file is a large download but it is

about the same size as the program installer file

so it should be no more of a problem to download.

Everyone should want to download and install this for L8.

Legacy has 2 tools for Geo Coding your locations.

Unfortunately, both operate, more or less, based

on current place names, not historical place names.

The strategy I use for a historical name is to

determine what the name of the place is now and

use the Bing map to find it. And, if that does

not work, try to find it with the GeoDB.

---> The GeoDB can be made to format the name of

a location with great flexibility using the

GeoCode-alt.txt files, but that is another lessone ;-)

Then, if found, go back to the Bing Map to use

more precise right click placement.

--> Sometimes, neither works. This is when I go

to Wikipedia or Google to have one of them try to

show me where the place is. Then "transfer" those

coordinates to Legacy. I will make a lot of use

of the Bing satellite views to try to place the

pin at the most favorable location.

Once I have the location resolved, I will then

create a new location with the historical name,

prefixed by the current name. When editing the

name, I check the box that says do not automatically
geocode.

Then I go to the present day location, showing

the pin where the place is, then move to

historical named place and right click the pin to

the same place. Then edit the location to remove

the prefix new name which I only added so the two

places were next to each other in the place list.

This may sound confusing, but once you have done

it once or twice it becomes easy. And you can

figure out shortcuts to the process.

I have done 1000s of locations using these techniques.

Please note that the Bing maps can give a more

precise location than the GeoDB. But the GeoDB is

a great tool for assuring that the location name

is constructed correctly and all of the parts are spelled
correctly.

For most US, Canada, and UK locations, the less

info you give Bing, the better it does. IE,

adding a county will often confuse it. For US, it keys off of City
and state.

OK?

Do you have more questions?

john.

At 12:25 PM 12/3/2013, Pam Gosling wrote:

>Hello,

>

>I there any recommended format to list locations

>for the older Prussian now Pommeranian areas of

>former Germany now Poland? IÃ¢m new to thishis,

>and in the archives from 2010, it seems that it

>is not possible for the Geobase to properly

>identify these locations? Ã So, if this is true, are these my
only options?:

>

>1. Â  Â  Â  Just not use the geobase feature
and

>list the location as well as possible?

>2. Â  Â  Â  Look up lat/long date from online
maps

>and insert to program? Or does that even work?

>3. Â  Â  Â  Another idea?

>4. Â  Â  Â  If I do add lat/long to database,
does

>that get saved for others to use? Or just my file?

>

>If there is no way to use this mapping feature

>for international locations, is there a standard

>recommended format for myself to list, just so I have the proper
format anyway:

>

>For example:

>

>Zeitlitz, Kreis Regenwalde, Pommerania, Prussia (old German
)

>

>Which is now in:

>

>( town Polish not yet translated),

>Resko(Regenwalde), Lobez(Ã¢like countyÃ¢Ã¢

>missing the Poland diacritical mark), Poland

>

>e.g. should I write either the (old) or

>new/current names in parentheses/inside

>brackets, with hyphens, or only list the current

>names and describe older German names in notes or somet

Re: [LegacyUG] Geobase international location questions

2013-12-03 Thread John B. Lisle

R G,

Yes, there are many variations on the theme...

I do want to assure you that you can format the short names.

Look at the headers for the GeoXXXCodes.txt files
in the Misc folder and you will see something like this:

* Special characters + and - mark state/province names to use:
*+ = Marks the preferred (long) name to use for a state/province.
*- = Marks the abbreviated (short) state/province name to use.

I run Legacy almost exclusively to show short
names. So I setup short names for how I want
names to appear in reports, etc. (I have a long
standing request to be able to export Short names
in Gedcom that I will get one of these days ;-))

For example, I could have:

Long name:  Durham, Durham, England, UK
Short Name: Durham, County Durham, England

Long name:  Boston, Suffolk Co., MA
Short Name: Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, United States

A lot of trial and error went into the creation of my -Alt files.

I still cannot get them to handle Country, State,
and County level locations as I want. (I use 
[4 underscores] for any minor unknown place part;
I often have to replace the county with this when
the source does not give enough info to identify
which county an event took place in.) So I have
to create these manually. I always identify a
county part as a county (No Boston Suffolk,
Massachusetts for me...); I enter US states with
their postal codes {sorry, but Bing maps does
better with postal codes than state names...);
and designate localities with Twp., etc. if that is what source gives.

Long Name:   , , , France
Short Name:  France

Long Name:   , Orleans Parish, LA
Short Name:  Orleans Parish, Louisiana

---> I Geocode Countries to their equivalent of
the US Capitol building; States, to the State
Capital building, and Counties to the County seat
and County courthouse (if I can find it!).

john.

At 03:30 PM 12/3/2013, R G Strong-genes wrote:
>I do that also and once I have both locations geocoded to the correct
>location I enter some information in the notes field as a historical date
>range of the location and other data as to what it is now. Then I put a
>check mark in the verified box so that I know not to delete that location or
>combine it with another location of the same name. Also be aware that you
>can have more than just 4 comma delimited places upto 9 ie for a cemetery I
>have:
>cemetery, city, county, state, country
>If it did not auto code to the right place then I can then put that in the
>geo location database editor and if it finds the Core city, county, state,
>country I select the Core + button and the place is then formatted to how I
>have the geo - alt text files set up for that location. ie I enter the full
>country name and have it format the short names: United States to USA. I
>have not found a way for the auto geocode to format the short location
>names, so I usually just edit any new locations with the geo locations
>database and make sure that I tick the current geocodes and not the new
>geocodes that it finds for the city but uses the one that I placed for the
>core + location. Once it is formatted how I want I can usually find the
>place I want and move the pin to it. If I can't find the location I will
>google the location and usually find it in a google map and compare it to
>the bing map and usually find it by other landmarks that are on the google
>map.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: John B. Lisle
>Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 2:25 PM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Geobase international location questions
>
>Pam,
>
>Please indulge me to talk about Location in
>Legacy 8. Actually, little has changed since
>Legacy 7 but many users do not have a strategy
>for locations and mapping and such.
>
>--> One of the major changes (and it is rather
>minor) for L8 is that the GeoDB is now unified.
>Instead of picking and choosing which regions you
>want, you get to install a file that has all
>regions. The file is a large download but it is
>about the same size as the program installer file
>so it should be no more of a problem to download.
>Everyone should want to download and install this for L8.
>
>Legacy has 2 tools for Geo Coding your locations.
>Unfortunately, both operate, more or less, based
>on current place names, not historical place names.
>
>The strategy I use for a historical name is to
>determine what the name of the place is now and
>use the Bing map to find it. And, if that does
>not work, try to find it with the GeoDB.
>
>---> The GeoDB can be made to format the name of
>a location with great flexibility using the
>GeoCode-alt.txt files, but that is another lessone ;-)
>
>Then, if found, go back to the Bing Map to use
>more precise right click placement.
>
>--> Some

RE: [LegacyUG] Adding source showing that person is a step-child

2013-12-03 Thread John B. Lisle



Emily, Sherry, Kurt,
I think you have to understand the difference between step-siblings and
half-siblings. And lots of places get this confused, especially obits...
;-)
A quick way to think of the difference is that you and a step-sibling
share no gene pool... You and a half-sibling share half your gene
pool.
Let's say for example your father re-married and by his second wife had a
child. That child would be your half-sibling. If your father's new wife
had children from a previous marriage, they would be your step-siblings
but they would be half-siblings to your half-sibling.
When your setup Legacy to display half siblings, this is how Legacy does
it. [Kurt, please note that you can now turn on half-siblings display in
Option 8.5.]
Now, this can get confusing... Your father (in example above) can be
setup as a step-father to his 2nd wife's children by her previous
marriage. This does entail creating another set of parents for that
child. You would set the Child-parent relationship as Step. 
As soon as you start adding multiple parents for a child, many aspects of
reporting get messy, in my opinion. Personally, I tend to stay away from
them whenever possible, When I have to do them for adoptions, especially
within a family, it can get real messy.
--> Please note that L8 adds the ability to create Invisible
Child-Parent relationships. This permits you to record the relationship
but they never show up in reports unless you want them to... at least
that is the theory... Getting all of the cases tested and correct is VERY
difficult.
OK? Does this help?
john.
At 04:22 PM 12/3/2013, Kurt Kneeland wrote:
I f you enable display of
half-siblings, they will show on child list, though there is a comment in
Help that indicates Legacy does not consider these to be
stepchildren.
 
 From Family View, Right-Click on a listed child, hover/rollover the View
menu item, then click on Show Â½ Kids.
 
From: Emily Moore
[
mailto:eall...@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 2:23 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Adding source showing that person is a
step-child
 
I have an obituary that lists a survivor as a step-child.  When I
show the list of children, though, step-children are not
listed.   The stepchild is already entered with both of his
biological parents.   In order to note that he is the stepchild
of his stepfather, do I have relink him again as a child of his mother
and stepfather and then change relationship to father to step?
 
Emily Moore



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Re: [LegacyUG] Geo Database error

2013-12-03 Thread John B. Lisle

Randy,

I am sure that there are lots of errors like
this. Legacy obtained the GeoDB sources a number
of years ago and they were the best available at the time.

Think of the data as "Modern, semi-historical".
All of the English towns seem to be listed with
their more or less historical counties, even if
those counties no longer technically exist.

Also, know that you will see spelling differences
between Bing, GeoDB, and Wikipedia.

Sometimes, you just need to accept that the
location data you get is just clues and you have
to research the locations a bit yourself.

My Australian friends like to tell me that
Australia does not have counties. Yet, I do find
historical records to counties or districts.
Adelaide is a city, but it is also a district
that encompasses lots of town, villages,
neighborhoods. Sometimes you just have to be flexible...

What is important is that you create your own
standard for how locations are to be represented
in your family files and then stick to it. Do not
jump around calling the same place by a dozen different ways or spellings.

john.

At 03:32 PM 12/3/2013, Randy Clark wrote:
>Vaasa was in LÃ¤nsi-Suomi province Finland. Not
>sure Finland has provinces any more.Â
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Custom Event Sentences in Legacy v8

2013-12-03 Thread John B. Lisle



Kathy,
The default is to leave the Notes on. I have not seen a case where Legacy
turned them off. Just now you have the option to turn them off either
locally or globally if you choose.
As for Sources, Option 7.10 controls their placement, before or after
notes, when using the default sentences that now do not have either
[Notes] or [Sources] replacement strings. It assumes you are going to
have the [Sources] added.
Think the real sentence is:
{Default Sentence}[Sources][Notes] or {Default Sentence}[Notes][Sources],
depending which option your selected for Option 7.10.
And if you selected to not include notes in the master event
definition...
{Default Sentence}[Sources]
---> {Default Sentence} is of course not a real replacement string...
;-)
If you decide to add your own Sources or Notes fields in the sentence,
7.10 does not apply, so you probably should include both, as I do not
recall what really happens if you leave them both out.
john.

At 05:30 PM 12/3/2013, Kathy Thompson wrote:
Thanks for that explanation
John.
For me personally, while it explains why my sentences no longer appear
like I planned them to, it does mean that I am going to have to go
through each Event Definition to ensure it will read in an appropriate
way.
Not a problem in that respect, the bigger problem is going to be going
through each event to ensure that the notes are back in the notes, and
not in the description area.
no dramas though, just means I get to re-examine each piece of evidence
again.
And why would someone not want to include their sources?


On 4 December 2013 04:49, John B. Lisle
<leg...@tqsi.com> wrote:


Kathy, Kurt, et al,

In part because of Shared Events, a lot of changes were made to Event
Sentences.

Let me walk you through some of the changes.

1/ Option 7.10

With L8, the default sentences no longer have the [Notes] and
[Sources] fields included, UNLESS YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THEM... (see
below...)

This option, allows you to set which order in your sentences you want
to arrange those fields.

2/ Creating an event - Note can be included optionally.

When you create an event, you now have an option to not add notes to
a sentence. There is a checkbox at the top, that by default is checked,
that when unchecked, the Notes are not displayed when the sentence is
created.

3/ Editing an event - Add the notes.

When you edit an event, you have a checkbox that allows you for that
instance to not display notes when the Sentence is constructed.

4/ Editing Role Notes - 2 checkboxes

When you edit a role for a Shared event, you can elect to include in
the sentence, either the Main Notes or the Role Notes or both.

Back to Editing an Event Definition...

5/ Note the preview window that should show you what your sentence
will look like. Note you can decide what type of event it will be.


And note the little blue dot that brings up a file you can edit that
provides text for the various replacement strings, if you feel a personal
need to do that. If you do edit it, please save a copy of your edits, as
this file may sometime in the future get overwritten by a Legacy
update.

6/ Reset Button

This button brings up a menu of 2 choices - 

a. Reset sentences to default

b. Reset sentences to that of another event. This I find exciting as
it allows me to load another event's sentences and then make minor edits
- or no edits - to work for new event.

Let me give an example:

I have customer events for "World War I Draft Registration"
and "World Ward II Draft Registration":

[EventName] for [Name] [onDate]
[~atPlace].[Desc][Sources]<:If[Notes]::[CR][Notes]>

I set the 8 sentences up for one of the events and just loaded the
other event from the first. With the [Event Name] field, no changes had
to be made at all.

Please note that the Condition _expression_ at the end of the sentence
has a different format in L8. L8's standard is to use <> angle
brackets, in place of [] square bracket, to enclose a
conditional.

<:If[Notes]::[CR][Notes]> is something I use with most of my
events so that, if I want note a line break inserted before the notes
begin, it does not appear if no notes are included with the instance of
the event.

L8 does not convert L7 [] conditionals to L8 <> conditionals,
but L8 syntax allows for either syntax. I switched mine over as I think
the <> is easier to read.

Does this explain better what is going on with basic custom event
sentences and notes.

john.

At 06:16 AM 12/3/2013, Kathy Thompson wrote:

no maybe not - but it did rearrange things enough to be
annoying.

I now have my notes in my description field and that has messed up my
sentences as a result.

For one event I had

[HeShe] resided at [Desc] [onDate] [inPlace]. [Notes][Sources]

Which would have given me

He resided at Oak Hill, Wethersfield Road on 31 March 1901 in
Gosfield, Essex, England. Family of Samuel (45), Martha (42) and children
Elizabeth (18), Basil (16), Priscilla (1

Re: [LegacyUG] Folder cleanup

2013-12-03 Thread John B. Lisle



Don,
I concur with Ron and will make the further statement that I would give
L8 a few weeks for this birthing to be complete before getting rid of
anything with L7. 
Legacy has just too many hidden nooks and crannies that some folks might
want to wait until they are sure they are whole with L8 and ALL of their
data before doing any file system pruning.
--> Because L8 is by default organized differently on your PC, there
are going to a lot of pruning that will need to be done LATER...
john.

At 05:47 PM 12/3/2013, Ron Ferguson wrote:
Don,
I am not entirely clear as to your meanings, so please feel free to come
back to me if I am making a misinterpretation.
 
For the record programs should never be deleted only
uninstalled, once uninstalled them associated *program* files NOTE *not*
data files. If you used the default Legacy installation *do not* delete
the C\Legacy\Data folder. Even if you have copied this over to the .fdb
file over to V8.0 I recommend that you retain this or the backup.zip file
some a while. Legacy Charts and Legacy Family Tree are V8.0 folders and
should be in your Documents folder. But where are you seeing Legacy8 and
where is it on your PC?
 
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
 
 
From: Don Hanson 
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:31 PM
To:

LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Folder cleanup
 
I had installed the free version of v7.5 to play with and then purchased
and installed v8.
 
I do daily backups, so I donât like to have old, unused program
remainders on the disk. I see C:\Legacy\ I think that is leftover from
v7.5 and is safe to delete. Is that right? Also in my documents there are
3  folders Legacy Charts, Legacy Family Tree, and Legacy8. Are those
all placed there by v8? If so, itâs confusing 
 
Don Hanson

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Re: [LegacyUG] Migrating Pictures etc from 7.5 Folder to 8 Media Folder

2013-12-03 Thread John B. Lisle



Wesley,
1/ Many of the tester agree with you wholeheartedly that we would like
the granularity of the relinker to be smaller.But for various technical
and other reasons, that is what it is. At first, it did not even give us
a choice of drives and just did them all.
--> "Lost" media have been one of the most prevalent problem
for Legacy users in the past. Folks would "hide" their media in
the weirdest places. And them move PCs and could not find them. A major
motivation for Relinker and Media Gatherer is to try to solve that
problem.
2/ I do not know why you were not seeing success and having one link
cascade to many links. This will take more analysis than I can help with
on this list and would need some private messages with support to dive
into details. 
But, I think that likely most folks, even those with situations like
yours, have been successful.
When you deleted the other two copies, did the relinker work correctly or
did you still have to go through 600 relinks.
How many subfolders do you have the files in? 
I personally have done it so many times...
I asked you a couple of questions in my previous email. That information
might help folks diagnose what is going on.
john.
At 06:00 PM 12/3/2013, Wesley Johnston wrote:
OK, I am glad that you clarified
this.
Unfortunately, the level of granularity of the Media Relinker is still
the entire hard drive -- which is a 2TB drive. So it took a long time to
scan it. But even worse, in addition to the live Legacy database photo
collection, it found two copies that I had saved from earlier versions.
So it was going to have me going through every single photo pair and
designate the right one. The button to tell it to use this one and take
the rest from the same file structure was useless. It still asked me pair
after pair after pair, without setting the file structure to the folder
that all the correct files were in. It would have been VERY much nicer if
that button to choose that image and have it really set that folder for
all the other ones. But it did not do what I thought that the text on the
button was saying it was going to do. The result was that clicking either
of the top two buttons in Media Relinker's options for that image of the
pair did exactly the same thing ... resulting in the need for me to go
through more than 600 pairs one by one.

Fortunately for me, I was able to make the decision to abandon and delete
the two earlier versions and then re-run the image linker.
I really would like to use option 6.2 somehow. And one of the other users
who replied to this thread suggested pointing option 6.2 to my Pix folder
and then knowing that you have to navigate to the other media
folders.
While that is a method that, though a bit of a kludge, will work, I am
willing to experiment with working with that for a while to see if it
really will work as I would like.
Legacy really dropped the ball by failing to provide a guideline that was
obviously going to be needed when you eliminated the customization
options. It may work okay for some people, but it sure did not work right
for me and required a great deal of frustration and effort when it did
not work.

From: Brian/Support

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Migrating Pictures etc from 7.5 Folder to
8 Media Folder

You misunderstand the relinker. It searches the entire drive yes but
it
is only looking for the filenames for the media you have linked to
your
family file already. It builds a catalog of all the files with that
name
for the locations on that drive. It will then let YOU tell it which
of
the locations where it found that file is the correct location. If
it
only finds one copy of that filename on the drive that will be the
location it sets for that media.
Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com


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On 03/12/2013 11:56 AM, Wesley Johnston wrote:
> I am still not clear what to do here.
>
> I see that the Option 6.2 is for those people willing to let Legacy
manage their media and store it all in a single location, which may be
what I wind up being forced to do, even though it will cause a great deal
of immediate term work and a lot more on-going management effort on my
part  because everything is lumped together in one enormous folder
with no way other than file name and file type to distinguish people pix
from source pix from video clips from location pix ...
>
>
> That is because the Media Relinker tool does not seem to have a
granularity finer than entire disk drive level. My K drive is not
exclusively for my Legacy files. So there are tens of thousands of other
media files on the K drive that I do not want include in the search by
the Media Relinker. But there seems to be no way to do that. Am I missing
something about how to configure the Media Relinker, or is it going to
look at my entire K drive? The notion that any media file on my computer
or on a particular drive

Re: [LegacyUG] Custom Event Sentences in Legacy v8

2013-12-03 Thread John B. Lisle



Kathy,
I am a bit confused now.
Please send me email privately with your details and examples and maybe I
can make some progress with that.
thanks,
john.
At 06:12 PM 12/3/2013, Kathy Thompson wrote:
I understand all that John, my
current issue is that what I had in my Notes field in 7.5, is now in the
Description field after a : (colon) after whatever was already there (if
anything)
I don't mind if notes and or sources are default on or off, I can adjust
that to suit me, what my issue with this is, is the fact that they moved
my notes to a location that I did not want them to be.
If I wanted them in Description, I would have put them in Description in
the first place.
Make sense?

On 4 December 2013 08:46, John B. Lisle
<leg...@tqsi.com> wrote:

Kathy,

The default is to leave the Notes on. I have not seen a case where
Legacy turned them off. Just now you have the option to turn them off
either locally or globally if you choose.

As for Sources, Option 7.10 controls their placement, before or after
notes, when using the default sentences that now do not have either
[Notes] or [Sources] replacement strings. It assumes you are going to
have the [Sources] added.

Think the real sentence is:

{Default Sentence}[Sources][Notes] or {Default
Sentence}[Notes][Sources], depending which option your selected for
Option 7.10.

And if you selected to not include notes in the master event
definition...

{Default Sentence}[Sources]

---> {Default Sentence} is of course not a real replacement
string... ;-)

If you decide to add your own Sources or Notes fields in the
sentence, 7.10 does not apply, so you probably should include both, as I
do not recall what really happens if you leave them both out.

john.


At 05:30 PM 12/3/2013, Kathy Thompson
wrote:
Thanks for that explanation John.

For me personally, while it explains why my sentences no longer
appear like I planned them to, it does mean that I am going to have to go
through each Event Definition to ensure it will read in an appropriate
way.
Not a problem in that respect, the bigger problem is going to be
going through each event to ensure that the notes are back in the notes,
and not in the description area.

no dramas though, just means I get to re-examine each piece of
evidence again.

And why would someone not want to include their sources?




On 4 December 2013 04:49, John B. Lisle
<leg...@tqsi.com> wrote:

Kathy, Kurt, et al,
In part because of Shared Events, a lot of changes were made to Event
Sentences.
Let me walk you through some of the changes.
1/ Option 7.10
With L8, the default sentences no longer have the [Notes] and
[Sources] fields included, UNLESS YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THEM... (see
below...)
This option, allows you to set which order in your sentences you want
to arrange those fields.
2/ Creating an event - Note can be included optionally.
When you create an event, you now have an option to not add notes to
a sentence. There is a checkbox at the top, that by default is checked,
that when unchecked, the Notes are not displayed when the sentence is
created.
3/ Editing an event - Add the notes.
When you edit an event, you have a checkbox that allows you for that
instance to not display notes when the Sentence is constructed.
4/ Editing Role Notes - 2 checkboxes
When you edit a role for a Shared event, you can elect to include in
the sentence, either the Main Notes or the Role Notes or both.
Back to Editing an Event Definition...
5/ Note the preview window that should show you what your sentence
will look like. Note you can decide what type of event it will be.
And note the little blue dot that brings up a file you can edit that
provides text for the various replacement strings, if you feel a personal
need to do that. If you do edit it, please save a copy of your edits, as
this file may sometime in the future get overwritten by a Legacy update.
6/ Reset Button
This button brings up a menu of 2 choices -
a. Reset sentences to default
b. Reset sentences to that of another event. This I find exciting as
it allows me to load another event's sentences and then make minor edits
- or no edits - to work for new event.
Let me give an example:
I have customer events for "World War I Draft Registration"
and "World Ward II Draft Registration":
[EventName] for [Name] [onDate]
[~atPlace].[Desc][Sources]<:If[Notes]::[CR][Notes]>
I set the 8 sentences up for one of the events and just loaded the
other event from the first. With the [Event Name] field, no changes had
to be made at all.
Please note that the Condition _expression_ at the end of the sentence
has a different format in L8. L8's standard is to use <> angle
brackets, in place of [] square bracket, to enclose a conditional.
<:If[Notes]::[CR][Notes]> is something I use with most of my
events so that, if I want note a line break inserted before the notes
begin, it does not appear if no notes are included with the instance of
the event.
L8 does

Re: [LegacyUG] Location database

2013-12-03 Thread John B. Lisle

Tony,

The content of the GeoDB has not really changed since it was first
introduced. It definitely did not change between L7.x and L8.

What I do not understand from your note is whether or not your L8
installation is able to use the GeoDB without re-installing it.

Go to Tools Ribbon / Location Database and see if it is working for you or not.

ALSO, were you using the GeoXXXCodes-alt.txt in L7.x? Those files you
had must be manually moved from your L7.x folder to the [My
Documents]\_App Data\Misc to use those customization in L8.

john.

At 06:21 PM 12/3/2013, Tony Rolfe wrote:
>I haven't done anything except download and install V8 and then backup
>and convert my V7 file to v8.
>
>All the locations seem to be there.  I've checked the folder containing
>the old V7 Geo database and the dates there are all earlier than 2010 -
>some as early as 2003.
>
>So, am I using the old files, or has v8 automagically installed the
>database somewhere else?
>
>Also, according to my database there are no counties in England.  They
>all appear as states/provinces - which is nonsense.
>
>Cheers
>
>Tony

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Re: [LegacyUG] Location database

2013-12-03 Thread John B. Lisle

Joseph,

The Locations DB is wherever you set as the Installation folder when
you installed it.

The default location is in, I believe, C:\Program Data\Legacy Family Tree\

john.

At 07:52 PM 12/3/2013, JV Leavitt wrote:
>I have a question about this that I haven't seen answered yet.  Where is
>the new location database file, that I installed a few days ago hiding?
>Before that, my v8 program was getting its location data okay, so I
>supposed it found it in the old Geo folder under the v7 Legacy folder.
>Out of curiosity, I changed the name of that to find out, and my
>locations in v8 still appear.  The locations db file I have been using
>in v7 was downloaded in 2011, and is over 400 MB in size.  So, were is
>the file now, and what is its name, if I may ask?
>
>Joseph Leavitt
>
>
>On 12/3/2013 3:41 PM, John B. Lisle wrote:
> > Tony,
> >
> > The content of the GeoDB has not really changed since it was first
> > introduced. It definitely did not change between L7.x and L8.
> >
> > What I do not understand from your note is whether or not your L8
> > installation is able to use the GeoDB without re-installing it.
> >
> > Go to Tools Ribbon / Location Database and see if it is working
> for you or not.
> >
> > ALSO, were you using the GeoXXXCodes-alt.txt in L7.x? Those files you
> > had must be manually moved from your L7.x folder to the [My
> > Documents]\_App Data\Misc to use those customization in L8.
> >
> > john.
> >
> >
> > At 06:21 PM 12/3/2013, Tony Rolfe wrote:
> >> I haven't done anything except download and install V8 and then backup
> >> and convert my V7 file to v8.
> >>
> >> All the locations seem to be there.  I've checked the folder containing
> >> the old V7 Geo database and the dates there are all earlier than 2010 -
> >> some as early as 2003.
> >>
> >> So, am I using the old files, or has v8 automagically installed the
> >> database somewhere else?
> >>
> >> Also, according to my database there are no counties in England.  They
> >> all appear as states/provinces - which is nonsense.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Tony




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Re: [LegacyUG] PP Alert Details Hang [was: Legacy 8]

2013-12-03 Thread John B. Lisle

Glenn,
Sorry, a bit of shorthand... For Win7, it is Program File (X86); but for
XP it would be Program Files. You are good to go.
john.
At 09:36 PM 12/3/2013, Glenn Woodman wrote:
John,
Thank you for the excellent information (as well as all the time andÂ
efforts you and many others have put into the release of Legacy
8).
Regarding my issue with the PP alert causing the program to hang, I am
very happy to report that Build 356 has indeed fixed it.Â  Thank
you, Millennia and folks.
On another matter, you stated above to C.G. Ouimet that "but I will
also repeat... you want to install Legacy in your C:\Program Files
folder. Virtually no testing was done with Legacy installed anywhere
else."Â  On my C: drive I have two folders -- one named Program
Files, the other named Program Files (x86).Â  Legacy 8 is installed
in the latter.Â  Is this as it should be?Â  I thought during
the install process I let Legacy 8 install itself where it wanted
to.Â  Do I need to uninstall and then re-install?
Glenn Woodman

On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 12:48 PM, John B. Lisle
<leg...@tqsi.com> wrote:

C G,

Let me say something at the outset what may be uncomfortable to hear,
L8 was released with fewer known bugs than L7.0 had when it was released
and that L7.5 has now. This is just a numerical fact from the bug
tracking system. We are just accustomed to the bugs in L7.5...

That does not say that L8 is perfect... that never happens... L8
testing and development had gotten to the point that among the testers,
we were not seeing new data destroying bugs. 

As a retired long time test manager, I knew the product was ready to
be exposed to a wider audience. Millennia made that decision that the
time was right, and, if you look back at this list from when L7.0 was
released, you will see many more birthing pains then than we are having
with L8.

When support got swamped with new orders, myself, and several of the
other testers, have chosen to fill in here to help the user base with the
birth of L8. It has been a full time, unpaid job for the past several
days. ;-)

In your following message, you said: "I have posted re a few
issues with v8 but thereâs a lot more. Reporting them all would be too
time consuming." 

If we are going to confirm them and get them sent to development, we
need to know about them.

Lastly, I will report the default install location issue, but I will
also repeat... you want to install Legacy in your C:\Program Files
folder. Virtually no testing was done with Legacy installed anywhere
else. I have alerted folks of this issue.

OK?

john.

At 03:07 PM 12/1/2013, C.G. Ouimet
wrote:
Thanks John, I can confirm that 
>
However  This has revealed another issue with v8 (My list is
gettiing very long). In previous versions, the Legacy Update defaulted to
install the update in the folder where the existing version is installed.
V8 defaults to C:\Program Files (x86\Legacy8 regardless of where v8 was
installed.
Â
A lot of stuff broken in v8. Memories of past Legacies  Fix 1
thinng, break 5 others. I am regretting upgrading!
Â
Â
C.G. Ouimet
Kingston ON
Â
From: John B. Lisle [

mailto:leg...@tqsi.com]
Sent: December 01, 2013 02:06 PM

To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] PP Alert Details Hang [was: Legacy 8]
Â
Glenn,

All of the evidence points to this being some problem with
customizations as not everyone sees it. 

However, it seems to have been fixed with Build 356. I was seeing it
previously and cannot reproduce it now.

john.

At 10:51 AM 12/1/2013, Glenn Woodman wrote:

My experience is that the program hangs when I "click to see
details."Ã I get no run-time error.ÃÂ Â  Ã If I
right-click, or shift-right-click, I am taken to the correct dialog
boxesÃÂ  However, if I left-click to see details (which I presume
is intended to inform me of where the problem lies), the program
hangs.ÃÂ  The only way to get Legacy to come out of it is to kill
it through Task Manager.ÃÂ  Before doing so, I went through the
check/reppair file process and restarted Legacy.ÃÂ  No error
messages came uup.ÃÂ  Task Manager indicates that Legacy is not
responding.ÃÂ  I've even tried waiting as much as five minutes to
see if it would begin to respond again.ÃÂ  It did not.

I am running Win7, have the 8.0.0.355 build, and experienced no
problems in downloading and installing the program.

Glenn Woodman

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:06 AM, C.G. Ouimet
<c.g.oui...@outlook.com
> wrote:
I'm glad it works properly for you. I doesn't for some of us. I'm in
Deluxe ...

C.G. Ouimet
Kingston ON

-Original Message-
From: Brian/Support [

mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: November 27, 2013 02:01 PM
To:

LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] PP Alert Details Hang [was: Legacy 8]
The clicks all work for me in 8.0.0.353. I tried both with Legacy
8.0.0.353 running in Standard Mode (Where Potential Problems lists
are not

Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Installation - GLBF797.tmp

2013-12-03 Thread John B. Lisle



Glenn,
You are quite welcome.
1/ I am of the school that you should keep L7.5 around for a while. Not
because I think L8 is broken, but you may find that you may need it to
confirm/verify some bugs and, in case there are fies in that folder you
decide later you need to move over.
One person I have been helping offline needed to go back and look at a
backup to confirm that what they thought was a bug in L8 was actually a
bug in their data that they made long before they knew L8 was going to be
released.
2/ The program is by default installed in Program Files (X86). Sorry if I
caused any confusion. The Program data that Legacy changes during its
operation is in My Documents. You can move - and I recommend it - the
location of your family files and media to another folder anywhere on
your computer.
ok?
john.

At 09:20 PM 12/3/2013, Glenn Woodman wrote:
John,
Thank you for the info.Â  I now see that Legacy 8 is indeed
installed in Program Files.Â  I'm curious about one thing.Â  I
have a SSD where all application files are stored by default on the C:
drive, and data files are stored on a regular drive labeled D:.Â  On
the C: drive is Legacy 7.5 in its own folder in the root
directory.Â  I am running Win7.
Questions:
1) Should I / is it safe to uninstall this using Windows
Add/Remove?
2) I have two Program Files foldersÂ on my C: drive.Â  One named
Program Files, the other named Program Files (x86).Â  Legacy 8 is
installed in the latter.Â  Is this the way it is supposed to
be?Â  The folder Legacy Family Tree is indeed located under My
Documents, which resided on my D: drive.
Glenn Woodman

On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:58 AM, John B. Lisle
<leg...@tqsi.com> wrote:

Glenn,

One of the changes in Legacy 8 is to install by default into Program
Files to comply with Microsoft standards. Prior to L8, the install
directory included files that Legacy edited during program execution.
Now, those files show up in the user's My Documents folder.

The Avast problem does not block the proper installation. It just
causes - in Win 7, at least - messages that seem that there is a problem.
I wrote a long message on this earlier.

john.



At 10:31 AM 12/1/2013, Glenn Woodman
wrote:
Bill Boswell,

Regarding conflicts with AV software and installing Legacy (as well
as other downloaded programs), I share the experiences of you and others
using Norton.ÃÂ  Before Norton, the freebie AV software I used had
a check boxÃ for disabling protection.ÃÂ  That allowed the target
software to "come through the door" with no
interruption.ÃÂ  After successful installation, I just re-enabled
protection.ÃÂ  Perhaps those who use Avast might explore if that
program has a similar feature.

My question to you is about your comment that you "don't let the
installation put it [Legacy] in the Program Files."ÃÂ  I am
curious about this, as it is my understanding that by default Legacy
installs in the root directory.Ã Does itÃ want to install in Program
Files in your case? Ã I've never understood why, and don't know the pros
or cons ofÃ installing it in one place or the other.ÃÂ  I've never
questioned it, as I figured the developers had their particular reasons
for setting it up that way.ÃÂ  But I am somewhat curious.

Glenn Woodman


On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:09 AM, William Boswell
<whbosw...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Same here.ÃÂ  I've used Norton AV products for years (currently
Norton 360) and had no problems with Legacy 7.5 or with the new
8.0.ÃÂ  No problems with installation or use.
Ã
I stay away from the freebie AV programs.ÃÂ  Symantec who
produces the Norton programs is a reputable company.
Ã
When I installed Legacy 8 Deluxe this morning, I didn't let the
installation put it in Program Files.ÃÂ  I put it in the root
directory of my C drive like I did with Legacy 7.5.ÃÂ  I also have
Windows 7's User Account Control turned off which can interfere with a
lot of programs.

Ã
Bill Boswell
Ã
From: Mary LeClerc [

mailto:quiltingm...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:45 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Installation - GLBF797.tmp
Ã
I've used Norton's since day one on the internet and never have any
problems downloading reputable programs like Legacy.ÃÂ  Just
downloaded Legacy 8 and again it went smooth as butter.
Ã
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:00 AM, John B. Lisle
<leg...@tqsi.com> wrote:
Gene,
Are you using the Free Avast AV or the Avast Internet Security? I
believe the problem is with the Internet Security version only. Some
of the secondary Windows issues are only appearing with Win 7 and
above.
john.





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Re: [LegacyUG] New GEO database vs Old Geo database

2013-12-04 Thread John B. Lisle

Anne,
Let me try again to explain this...
The GeoDB in L8 is an improved version from what Legacy has used
previously. It is smaller without losing any content. It runs faster. It
supports your GeoXXXCode-alt.txt completely.
If you are a Deluxe user, go to the Tools Ribbon and Click on the
Location Database. That will guide you through the installation process
for the location database.
Now, as you are one of the few users who have created these wonderful
little files, you now have to COPY your GeoXXXCode-alt.txt files from
your Legacy 7 Directory to the location for them for use by Legacy
8:
[My Documents]\Legacy Family Tree\_AppData|Misc|
where [My Documents] is you My Documents folder.
Just copy the files, Open Legacy, and they are working. Just like they
did for you with Legacy 7.
I wish that Legacy could move these files for you the first time you
install Legacy 8, but Developers must not have felt that was the right
thing to do.
ok?
john.

At 12:27 PM 12/4/2013, anair...@insightbb.com wrote:
I want to use the v7 TYPE Geo
Databases.
I have spent time in the past setting up & altering (as per Legacy
instructions) the various Geo databases to produce an output that I
liked.
I don't like to long spelling of the States and United States for one
thing (takes up to much space)
I still have those Geo files from V7 - and would like to use them in
V8. PLEASE TELL ME HOW??
With clear instructions, I am not afraid to alter the registry. (Windows
7 - 64)
The > Tools> location>Geo Database is USELESS. It doesn't
point to any database that can be CHANGED.
The only option is "Keep Matching Diacritics" -
and who knows how to interpret that choice.
According to Dictionary .com and Thesaurus .com - There is No stand
alone noun: "Diacritics" - no "s" =
diacritical marks - for plural.
"Also called diacritical mark. a mark, point, or sign added or
attached to a letter or character to distinguish it from another of
similar form, to give it a particular phonetic value, to indicate as
stress , as a cedilla, tilde, circumflex, or macron."
Thank you in advance,
Anne

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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates and potential problems

2013-12-05 Thread John B. Lisle



Kurt,
Yes, dates can be entered this way, but I recommend that you not do it!
This is not a valid date format and does not export well to other
programs.
When I want a quick date entry of a range, I will prefix that with either
bet or from; the first expands to bet x and y; the second to from x to
y.
The word "present" in a date range probably should not be
created as an option, event though it seems useful. Not only is it not
going to be understood in Gedcom by another program, but more importantly
when you create a report including that person a year from now, it may no
longer be true.
I would usually enter it with current month and year and then include in
notes something like "as of (today), this was still
true."
john.

At 09:09 AM 12/5/2013, Kurt Kneeland wrote:
After experimenting a bit, I
found that date ranges can be entered either with a / (eg 1988/1992),
with a  (eg 1988-1992) which gets converted or dispplayed in the /
format, or in a from-to format (eg From 1988 To 1992).Â  In the
latter format, it still doesnât like the word Present, but you can just
leave off the To clause (eg From 1988).Â  This would be similar to
saying After 1988, but with a minor difference in implication.Â 
After implies a one-time event occurring sometime after the specified
date, while From implies an on-going activity starting at the given date
and continuing to the present unless the To clause is there to specify
the ending date.
 
The From/To format does display appropriately on the Timeline in the
Chronology part of the Individual Report.Â  From/To shows a bar
covering the time range and From shows a triangle at the starting
point.Â  I didnât look to see how an After date is displayed on
the Timeline.
 
From: Kathy Thompson
[
mailto:kmthoms...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:28 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates and potential problems
 
After 2002 (in date)
and "to present date, as at December 2013" (in Notes)
is how I am doing this kind of thing
 
On 5 December 2013 13:39, Bryan Pratt
 wrote:
Legacy 8.0.0.357
Windows 8.1
 
I have myself recorded as a Residence Event living in a certain city from
quote â2002 - Presentâ.
If on the individual Edit Event window I check âExclude this instance
of this event from problem checkingâ and Save, the problem still
remains. Or is there another acceptable way to write this date?
 

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RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]

2013-12-05 Thread John B. Lisle



Bill,
How do you plan to publish your research?
Knowing where you plan on ending up will guide you to how you use some of
the new features of Legacy.
My principal publishing vehicle is to web publish with TNG. As TNG does
not know anything about Legacy SW sources, I have never bothered to adopt
them. That said, when Legacy exports a family file with SourceWriter
sources to a Gedcom, the SW Source is exported, more or less, as a Basic
source which can imported to TNG.
I am not using Shared Events until either Legacy extends its Gedcom
export to export Shared events as regular events OR TNG supports Shared
events and Legacy Gedcom of Shared events.
If you plan to publish to Legacy Web Pages or Legacy Reports, you will
make different decisions as they support both SW and sources and Shared
Events.
The tools you use are going to be based on the what you plan to do with
your research.
SourceWriter sources are a reasonably safe bet, no matter what you do. As
Sherry from Support has said, she has had fewer than a handful of cases
in 10 years when a user needed to go to a Gedcom file to recover their
data. And most of them were pre-Legacy 7. So Ward's concern is real, but
the risk today is only that your sources are converted to Basic
Sources.
Shared Events, on the other hand, are a work in progress. I really think
they add a lot and would like to use them but until there is a way to get
them into TNG, I have to defer.
john.
At 11:43 AM 12/5/2013, William Boswell wrote:
I just started
"converting" my basic citations over to SourceWriter.Â 
Maybe I should keep them in basic if there's a problem exporting to a
GEDCOM.Â  Thanks for letting me know before I got too far with
it.
 
I haven't explored Shared Events yet so I guess I should wait on that
too.
 
Bill Boswell
 
From: Ward Walker
[
mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:44 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital
Events]
 
I agree, Gavin. To me, this is equivalent to the problem with
SourceWriter source citations. I have long advocated that Legacy reformat
these into readable detail citations during the process of converting
them into Basic sources for the GEDCOM export. It seems that Millennia
does not believe that a usable GEDCOM export is important. 
 
Every proprietary new feature should have an option to be mashed into the
primitive GEDCOM standard without loss of data.
 
   Ward
 
From: Gavin Nicholson

Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:56 PM
To:

LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com 
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events
 
Thanks Kirsty,
 
Well I will be putting a change proposal in because it would be simple to
export a copy of the events to each person. Yes it won't be shared
anymore but that is far preferable to not existing at all. Essentially,
with this as it is you can't use shared events and then give your data to
anyone who doesnt use Legacy :-(
 
Thanks for making us aware of this one.
Gavin...
 

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Re: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]

2013-12-05 Thread John B. Lisle



Alan,
Thank you for this sharing.
I am not in Support. Although I am a tester for Legacy, I am first and
foremost a user, like yourself. 
I do not know the particulars of most of the support issues unless they
are elevated to the Test group for testing - or for testing a
fix.
I have a personal mission to assure a Legacy Gedcom can recreate the
Family family from whence it came, as much as possible.
I am under the impression that the original issue with SourceWriter
sources and Gedcoms is based on the complexity of what the Gedcom
structure would be to export them completely for the very limited
expected use. As I said previously, the vast majority of the users will
want a source that can be imported into another program. 
Getting SW to Gedcom export correctly is on my personal list of Gedcom
updates that I want to see happen.
john.
At 01:03 PM 12/5/2013, Alan Pereira wrote:
John
I happened to be one person who had to resolve database nulls when linked
to FamilySearch by using the gedcom export / import.Â  This was on
version 7.5.
I still keep a reminder to the effect 
"When creating an email source using Sourcewriter and subsequently
exporting the file as a GEDCOM, the Title of the source gets dropped for
the words which come after the _expression_ "[(E-ADDRESS FOR PRIVATE
USE),]". The Title gets referred to as "ABBR" in the
GEDCOM and is not imported as the source Title into any other
software.
What's even worse, is that the ABBR field gets contacenated with the
Comments field by some software, effectively making the source
unintelligible."
To my knowledge, this still applies - maybe Sherry has an update on
this?
 
Alan Pereira
 
 
From: John B. Lisle
[
mailto:leg...@tqsi.com] 
Sent: 05 December 2013 17:32
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared
vital Events]
 
Bill,
How do you plan to publish your research?
Knowing where you plan on ending up will guide you to how you use some of
the new features of Legacy.
My principal publishing vehicle is to web publish with TNG. As TNG does
not know anything about Legacy SW sources, I have never bothered to adopt
them. That said, when Legacy exports a family file with SourceWriter
sources to a Gedcom, the SW Source is exported, more or less, as a Basic
source which can imported to TNG.
I am not using Shared Events until either Legacy extends its Gedcom
export to export Shared events as regular events OR TNG supports Shared
events and Legacy Gedcom of Shared events.
If you plan to publish to Legacy Web Pages or Legacy Reports, you will
make different decisions as they support both SW and sources and Shared
Events.
The tools you use are going to be based on the what you plan to do with
your research.
SourceWriter sources are a reasonably safe bet, no matter what you do. As
Sherry from Support has said, she has had fewer than a handful of cases
in 10 years when a user needed to go to a Gedcom file to recover their
data. And most of them were pre-Legacy 7. So Ward's concern is real, but
the risk today is only that your sources are converted to Basic
Sources.
Shared Events, on the other hand, are a work in progress. I really think
they add a lot and would like to use them but until there is a way to get
them into TNG, I have to defer.
john.
At 11:43 AM 12/5/2013, William Boswell wrote:
I just started "converting" my basic citations over to
SourceWriter.Ã  Maybe I should keep them in basic if there's a
problem exporting to a GEDCOM.Ã  Thanks for letting me know before
I got too far with it.
 
I haven't explored Shared Events yet so I guess I should wait on that
too.
 
Bill Boswell
 
From: Ward Walker [

mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:44 AM
To:

LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital
Events]
 
I agree, Gavin. To me, this is equivalent to the problem with
SourceWriter source citations. I have long advocated that Legacy reformat
these into readable detail citations during the process of converting
them into Basic sources for the GEDCOM export. It seems that Millennia
does not believe that a usable GEDCOM export is important. 
 
Every proprietary new feature should have an option to be mashed into the
primitive GEDCOM standard without loss of data.
 
   Ward
 
From: Gavin Nicholson

Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:56 PM
To:

LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com 
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events
 
Thanks Kirsty,
 
Well I will be putting a change proposal in because it would be simple to
export a copy of the events to each person. Yes it won't be shared
anymore but that is far preferable to not existing at all. Essentially,
with this as it is you can't use shared events and then give your data to
anyone who doesnt use Legacy :-(
 
Thanks for making us aware of this one.
Gavin...



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