Re: [LegacyUG] Exporting to Gedcom with Hashtag information - Identifying specific individuals

[Ward Walker]

Larry,

If they are not related, then you would not stumble upon them while 
traversing your main tree in Legacy, except when searching or using master 
lists. If your focus is your TNG site, then it seems to me that using 
multiple trees in TNG would be ideal - and separate Legacy files.


I have 4 TNG sites, one per grandparent. But I only have one main Legacy 
file, plus small files for separate trees much like yours. For example, 
members of my Ward line have Y-DNA matches with descendants of another Ward 
line. We do not know who the common ancestor is. I created a separate Legacy 
file to model that other line. On TNG, my Ward site has two trees, one from 
an export of just the Ward line from my main Legacy file, and the other from 
that separate file. On the TNG site, each Individual information page 
clearly shows which tree that person is in. Same with search results.


 Ward

-Original Message- 
From: Cathy Pinner

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:41 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Exporting to Gedcom with Hashtag information - 
Identifying specific individuals


Larry,

No you can't get the background to change colour etc.
You can include your hashtag as one of your 5 fields that display on
Family View.

You can use the Legacy style gedcom with TNG. In fact I think it's
recommended that you do. Hashtags can be included in it and displayed on
TNG. Sorry I don't do it myself but know that it is done. When you
choose the Legacy style and then see the the list of tags exported under
the Customise button, you'll see it includes Hashtag.

Cathy


Larry Lachance 
Tuesday, 12 May 2020 10:33 PM

I am looking for suggestions/best way to handle – this is a combination 
question that involves Legacy Family Tree and TNG The Next Generation of 
Genealogy Sitebuilding.


For more than 20 years everything with my tree has been great but, as in 
life, “stuff happens”!


I want to add a large group of individuals to my Legacy database who share 
the same surname BUT are not descended from the “original immigrant” and 
in fact, they are not actually related as they are descended from a 
completely different surname.  Actually this group “should be” a separate 
family tree but that’s not what I want to do because I want them IN my 
tree because of the common surname today.


What I want is a way to “tag” or “hashtag” or place a marker or color on 
the “family view”  for anyone related to this particular name such that it 
is immediately clear that the individual is of another family group.  I 
suspect this can be accomplished by using the tag or hashtag feature 
without issue but I’d prefer a change in color, or a big exclamation point 
on the screen to tell me “this individual is from the OTHER family”  which 
makes for quick ID purposes.  I know I can change the colors of the “tag” 
based on which tag I’m using but I’d like a blatantly obvious change like 
changing the background color of the Name field in the Family View based 
on the tag or hashtag used???  Is this even possible?


Something like the above would remedy my Legacy question but...

…then there is the hard part (that’s because I’m not sure how to do it or 
even it’s possible) – I want to be able to export the file to a standard 
GEDCOM 5.5.1 file AND have those individuals I’ve identified somehow 
marked such that when I “publish” the GEDCOM to my TNG – The Next 
Generation  online database, those I have tagged are separately 
identified.  Is it possible that using a custom event, such as already 
exists like _TAG Record Tag 1, would work?


I will also post this query to the forum related to the other database for 
input.


Suggestions appreciated…

Larry Lachance – www.lachance.org/genealogy 
 – Jacksonville, FL


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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Ward Walker]

I am comfortable with Facebook, but the Legacy Group there is not worth my 
time. There are just too many posts to wade through -- as you admit, it 
takes all your waking hours. And (last I looked) so many of the posts were 
beginner questions or a rehash of old topics. It's almost like we could use 
two groups, one for newbies and one for old-timers.


But, thank you, Michele, for the work you do to help all users.

  Ward

-Original Message- 
From: Gillian Hakli

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 1:27 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

I've taken myself off Legacy and, though you're quite convincing,
Michelle, about the advantages, I'm not going back. Like Georges, I'm
very contented with emails.

Gillian

On 12/05/2020 19:47, sarrazingeor...@gmail.com wrote:
I have both, but feel more comfortable with emails. I'm barely taking a 
look at the Legacy section of Facebook.


Georges

-Message d'origine-
De : LegacyUserGroup  De la part 
de Michele Lewis

Envoyé : 12 mai 2020 11:32
À : Legacy User Group 
Objet : [LegacyUG] Facebook

I encourage you to join our Legacy User Group on Facebook. I know there 
are some of you that say there is no way you will ever get on Facebook but 
you can join Facebook and set your privacy so that you won’t get friend 
requests and no one can see what you post. The group itself is private so 
anything you post there isn’t seen by anyone except the other group 
members.


You are missing a lot of stuff by not being there. I can’t cross post 
everything that I post there and I post quite a bit. I readily admit that 
my attention is with the Facebook group because I can do so many more 
things there than I can here.


You can use screenshots and video clips which you can’t do here. You can 
explain a problem better with a screenshot and you can understand 
solutions to problems better as well with screenshots.


I (and others) can upload files. For example, periodically I upload a pdf 
that has clickable links to all of the Tuesday's Tips from the Legacy 
Newsletter/Blog. John Lisle upload a great series with how to work with 
the custom geo code files in Legacy.


The Facebook group is searchable and you can also use hashtags. You will 
see announcements from the staff when we need to get  important 
information out. All events and webinars are announced to give you a heads 
up without having to monitor the webinar webpage. When an update is 
released it is announced here immediately.


Another advantage, which I honestly wish I didn't have to use, I and the 
other admins/moderators can delete posts. I can also stop the commenting 
on a post if I need to. On the mailing list if someone posts something 
against the rules there isn't much I can do about it. I can remove the 
person but the posts stay and conversations go on and on that really need 
to be nipped. Even when I tell people enough is enough it goes on. That 
doesn't happen on Facebook.


I monitor the list pretty much all of my waking hours. We have beta 
testers and power users that are monitoring the list when I actually sleep 
😊


As of right now this mailing list has 1531 member. The Facebook group has 
21,941. The Facebook group has 5 administrators and 2 moderators. It is 
also monitored by several staff members and some of our top beta testers 
and translators.


I hope I see more of you there.

Michele Simmons Lewis, CG®
Legacy Educator
Legacy Family Tree/MyHeritage
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
www.legacyfamilytree.com






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Re: [LegacyUG] DNA

[Ward Walker]

I don't think it is a matter of past and present, except perhaps in terms of 
popularity. The tests that have limited markers are the Y-DNA and mtDNA 
tests. These are still happening and can be very, very helpful in solving 
genealogy issues. The tests that have huge raw data sets are autosomal DNA. 
These have two purposes. Matches, with the help of triangulation, can help 
to identify common ancestors among people that have done their paper-trail 
research. The second purpose is the ethnicity estimates, which are still 
more art than science.


In Legacy, the DNA dialog has a menu for selecting which company did the 
Y-DNA or mtDNA test. Then you can record the marker values.


Personally, I don't use this. What I do use is hashtags to group together 
individuals whose DNA matches suggest a common ancestor.


  Ward

-Original Message- 
From: Brian Kelly

Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 6:33 AM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] DNA

When DNA results entries were added to Legacy the style of DNA testing
being done by the various companies was different.

They tested and returned values for a very limited number of points on
the DNA molecule. If you open the DNA section and choose one of the
tests you will see how few values were tested. Nowadays all the
companies are doing a style of test that returns literally thousands of
values, the raw data from these tests is Megabytes of data, way too much
to manually transcribe.

Brian Kelly

On 12-Apr.-20 10:53 p.m., Christopher Seward Sr. wrote:
I know this has been a while, but confusion still abounds. Within Legacy, 
there is a place to manually enter DNA results into a person's record. 
The only problem is that the available fields do not match the data.  You 
state that the only thing we can do with DNA is attach the file in the 
Media gallery.  Why is there a place to enter the DNA results, if we can't 
enter the DNA results?  Anyone have a clue about this?


Thanks!

Christopher



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Re: [LegacyUG] Survey - Syncing

[Ward Walker]

I should clarify that in my case it is a thumb drive (16GB). I just carry it to 
the other computer. The only trick is organizing the drive letters so that 
everything can be found on either computer. I don’t ‘update’ the second 
computer, other than backups. This avoids any accidental confusion on where the 
latest changes were made. And, there is no such thing as trying to open the 
same file on two different computer.

   Ward

From: Margaret Gagliardi 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 3:04 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Survey - Syncing

Jerry,
I also use a USB or External Hard Drive to backup - after backing up to my PC.  
How do you update your 2nd PC?
Thanks 
Margaret

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:48 PM Ward Walker  wrote:

  I also use a USB drive, except that my _live_ .fdb and media files are on it. 
My backups go to the computer’s hard drive (and from there automatically to the 
cloud using Carbonite).

Ward

  From: Jerry Kime 
  Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 2:33 PM
  To: legacy 
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Survey - Syncing

  My app is an external USB hard drive.  After working on one computer, I save 
the .fdb file and the media files to the external and then update the other 
computer.

  Jerry


  On 3/12/2020 10:56 AM, Gary Crull wrote:

Hi everybody,

I'm taking a little survey if you'll participate.

What app do you use to 'sync' Legacy between your MAIN computer and a 
SECONDARY computer?

What do you feel is the advantage of your choice vs another app?


Gary


 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Survey - Syncing

[Ward Walker]

I also use a USB drive, except that my _live_ .fdb and media files are on it. 
My backups go to the computer’s hard drive (and from there automatically to the 
cloud using Carbonite).

  Ward

From: Jerry Kime 
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 2:33 PM
To: legacy 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Survey - Syncing

My app is an external USB hard drive.  After working on one computer, I save 
the .fdb file and the media files to the external and then update the other 
computer.

Jerry


On 3/12/2020 10:56 AM, Gary Crull wrote:

  Hi everybody,

  I'm taking a little survey if you'll participate.

  What app do you use to 'sync' Legacy between your MAIN computer and a 
SECONDARY computer?

  What do you feel is the advantage of your choice vs another app?


  Gary


   



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Re: [LegacyUG] Surname Changed When Immigrated

[Ward Walker]

Christopher,

That could be helpful. Could you elaborate? I looked for a reference to the 
‘Passenger Arrival Lists’ on the Ellis Island web site but did not find it. Do 
you know what became of these ledgers? What were they used for? Did they really 
have an impact on how the immigrant was named, once settled in their 
destination community? Were they used during the naturalization process? I see 
that what FamilySearch.org calls a ‘New York Passenger Arrival List’ is just a 
ship manifest. And additional googling for ‘passenger arrival lists’ also turns 
up only ship manifests.

   Ward

From: Christopher Seward Sr. 
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:33 PM
To: mvmcgrs--- via LegacyUserGroup 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surname Changed When Immigrated

And those manifests were used to fill out Passenger Arrival Lists (what I and 
others refer to as ledgers).  This comes directly from the Ellis Island website.

I'm not sure why people are so passionate about stating that these errors never 
happened, when indeed they did, even according to those who made them.

This should be about encouraging people to be creative about their research, 
not limiting it.

Thanks,

Christopher (genealogist for 40+ years)


On 11/23/2019 2:56 PM, mvmcgrs--- via LegacyUserGroup wrote:





  First, the name was not changed at Ellis Island. The manifests were made in 
the country that they departed from. They probably made the change themselves 
to make the name easier to pronounce and spell. They may have done it legally, 
[through the courts] but more likely they just started to use the new spelling.

  I'm using Legacy 8 and there is an AKA (4th logo from the right) it looks 
like a group of people. You can add the name that they used in Italy or the one 
used in the US, your choice. You can cite the source (census, birth record, 
marriage record, etc) for each individual time you find the name. Then use the 
other name in database.

  Marie

  Marie Varrelman Melchiori, Certified Genealogist Emeritus
  __ __ __
  CG or Certified Genealogist is a service mark of the Board for Certification 
of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified genealogists after 
periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US 
Patent & Trademark Office.
  In a message dated 11/23/2019 2:53:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
cathyv...@cox.net writes: 

My great grandfather had the surname Vallevegni in Italy.

When the family immigrated to the U.S. it changed to Vallevieni which 
they used from then on (probably changed at Ellis Island).

How should I enter 2 surnames in Legayc?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Surname Changed When Immigrated

[Ward Walker]

First, regarding Legacy, I agree with making the birth name the primary 
name, unless the birth document had a clearly obvious error on it.


Regarding Ellis Island, I am puzzled by one thing. Before modern times, I 
have never seen any evidence of a document being given to the immigrant or a 
document being registered with the government. I'm thinking especially of 
the 1895-1905 time frame. What constituted a legal name? Is it possible that 
some inspectors strongly suggested (verbally or on a scrap of paper) to the 
immigrant that they should use an Americanized name, but that it was then up 
to the immigrant to institute that later upon settling into their community? 
Initially, that might be done with such things the annual city directories, 
the school system, marriage records, censuses, and eventually tax forms and 
naturalization. In other words, by what specific mechanism could the 
immigration inspector force a name change on an immigrant at Ellis Island?


My own anecdotes:
 - My relatives' Italian surnames and given names varied with each year of 
the city directory, sometimes Anglicized and sometimes not.
 - In one family, the surname of the children was changed by the teachers, 
and that stuck, but their father stubbornly refused to change his own name.


  Ward

-Original Message- 
From: Christopher Seward Sr.

Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2019 8:49 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Surname Changed When Immigrated

The first one you listed is the one that mentions that the Inspectors
would make changes of what they perceived to be errors.  You've made my
point.
The others you listed are articles by people who have made the same
assumptions you made.  I have interviewed people who came through Ellis
Island who have told me these stories.  One Carlo Pietropinto, who had
his name changed by one of the inspectors whose assumed that his named
was really Carlos Pietro Pinto.  His family in Italy is known as
Pietropinto.  His family here in the US is known as Pinto.  Clearly
(because he told me) not his choice.

I can also point to a family (I interviewed them personally)  who came
through EI.  There names where Salvatore, Nicola, Antonetta,
Pasqualina.  The inspectors tried to encourage them to change there
names to Samuel, Ncholas, Anna, and Pauline.  They refused.

These this did indeed go on.  I'm not sure why so many people suspend
belief in facts and refuse to believe that people at Ellis Island could
possibly make mistakes.  It is very important in the Genealogy world
that we not rule out such possibilities, and understand that the
surnames they are looking for could have been changed at Ellis Island.
Encourage them to look at that possibility and think maybe they should
look for different surnames than the ones they are hitting roadblocks on.

You can point to all the blogs you want, but I will take it from those
who were there, and saw this first hand, and told me with their own tongues.

I mean no disrespect.  I just think that trying to deny that this
actually happened can discourage people from doing a more creative
search to find ancestors that they might not otherwise find.

Christopher

On 11/23/2019 3:16 PM, Laura Johnson wrote:
the so called ledgers were the ships manifests - those were done at the 
port of departure.


Here are a few good articles to let you know what really happened

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/ask-smithsonian-did-ellis-island-officials-really-change-names-immigrants-180961544/

https://www.genealogy.com/articles/research/88_donna.html

https://www.nypl.org/blog/2013/07/02/name-changes-ellis-island

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2019/04/29/ellis-island-names/


On 11/23/2019 3:06 PM, Christopher Seward Sr. wrote:


Marie,

I would disagree with that first statement.  In my years of doing 
research, I have heard stories where the workers at Ellis Island entered 
names into the ledgers incorrectly.  If they were unable to discern the 
name from the ships manifest, they would of write down the names as THEY 
understood the passengers.  I have examples in my own family where a 
Braun from Prussia was listed as Brown because the person at intake 
determined that the immigrant should "Americanize" their name.


As for the second part of your statement...I agree.  I do believe that 
the AKA field i the best place to notate that.


Ciao,
Christopher

On 11/23/2019 2:56 PM, mvmcgrs--- via LegacyUserGroup wrote:



First, the name was not changed at Ellis Island. The manifests were made 
in the country that they departed from. They probably made the change 
themselves to make the name easier to pronounce and spell. They may have 
done it legally, [through the courts] but more likely they just started 
to use the new spelling.


I'm using Legacy 8 and there is an AKA (4th logo from the right) it 
looks like a group of people. You can add the name that they used in 
Italy or the one used in the US, your choice.

Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

[Ward Walker]

While I agree that a mass import from a public tree is unwise, there are 
other cases. Say you find a third cousin who has worked diligently for years 
to capture a branch of your tree that you have not had a chance to research 
for yourself. (A descendant line, not your ancestral line.) You correspond 
and you get a sense for the quality of their research. They offer to send 
you a GEDCOM. You import it into an empty file and check it over, including 
fixing LOCATIONS to your own standards. Where their research and yours do 
overlap, you resolve any conflicts with further research and collaboration. 
Then why not merge the results into your main file, being sure to 
automatically add the contributing relative as a source for each individual?


  Ward

-Original Message- 
From: Jenny M Benson

Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 8:52 AM
To: James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

On 02-Aug-19 11:27 AM, James G. Hermsen via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
I  recommend never to mass import other peoples work. I am careful enough 
to know and understand exactly what I import from online. Manually 
importing the information, one knows his information.


I'm with you on thtat, James.

When I get stuck I am quite happy to look at FS Family Tree or Ancestry
Public Member Trees, for example, to see if anyone else has found
something I've missed, but I never copy the information.  I just use it
as a pointer to where to look, then I do the research myself and
manually enter it into my Legacy tree.

I recently saw a tree which included one of my ancestral lines and had a
further generation back than I have been able to find.  Yes, I could
find the Baptism & Marriage records for the 2 people concerned but
nothing to show they were the parents of my ancestors (and they were
from another county) and the tree owner was not able to offer any, so
they have not been added to my tree.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

[Ward Walker]

A couple of comments:

(1)  What drives me crazy when importing someone else’s data is ambiguity of 
whether the first part of the location is a township or a town. The geo-locator 
does not find townships. So, I always add the word ‘Township’ or ‘Twp’ if that 
is what it is. Examples:
  - Urbana Township, Champaign, Ohio, USA  --  for an event that happened 
somewhere in the township, but not necessarily in the town/city.
  - Urbana, Champaign, Ohio, USA  --  this event happened in the town.
  - Champaign County, Ohio, USA  --  I add the word ‘County’ when it is the 
first element of the location. I do not use the comma system for this (I.e., “, 
Champaign, Ohio, USA”) as I dislike the presentation and some relatives won’t 
understand it. The only time that this presents a problem is if I only know the 
town name and there are towns with that same name in adjacent counties, or if 
the town is on a county border. Then I might resort to Town, , State, USA.
  - Ohio, USA

(2)  If by ‘village’ we mean an unincorporated place or post office, and the 
township is known, then my inclination is to use Connie’s second option of 
“township - village, country, state, United States” rather than add a 5th 
element to the location. Same with urban wards. I also use this for cemeteries 
and hospitals. I like the sorting better. And yes, I know that one can use a 
reverse sort order as an alternative solution.

   Ward

From: William (Bill) R. Linhart 
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 6:23 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Location names for Pennsylvania

I do agree.   

My standard is:   [1. local jurisdiction/repository i.e.township, village, 
city, etc], 2.County, 3.State, 4.Country  
and apply to other countries similarly by always using three commas for all 
locations [usually each has a repository of genealogical data] .  The entry 
might between comma's might be null if I don't have the information.  For 
example born in USA might be ", , , USA".  I know I have some research to do 
but I only record what I have from that source. 

For folder hierarchy and some naming situations I reverse the order but always 
hold to 4 elements for location.  I don't believe I have ever had an exception. 
 I am sure I will learn about one here.  So far this works for me.  

Bill 

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 12:20 AM Roberta Schwalm  
wrote:

  I do the same thing, Shirley.  Most of my ancestors are from Scotland, 
Ireland, England, Germany and a spattering of French.  The only difference is I 
use "province" instead of State.

  On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 9:05 PM Shirley Crampton  
wrote:

I use Village, County, State, Country.  Hopefully there is no more than 1 
village of the same name in the County.  If the place is rural then I put the 
name of the township in the first position.

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 5:47 PM Connie Laubach  
wrote:

  Trying to decide how to input the location names – I have townships that 
are made up of villages and boroughs. How are others handling it?

  I have thought of the following:

  Village, township, county, state, United States

  or 

  township-village, country, state, United States (I like this as  all 
villages within the township would be listed together) 



  Thank you, Connie.


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Re: [LegacyUG] ScreenShot?

[Ward Walker]

Why not send him a report, such as a Descendant Chart or a Descendant Book 
report? All reports can be generated as PDFs. You can choose the number of 
generations.

   Ward

From: John Faulks 
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 3:58 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] ScreenShot?

The simple answer is to use the "snip" app in windows (now "snip & sketch). 
When you have your display ready, bring up snip and click new. Highlight the 
part of the screen to copy and it will make the copy. Use Control C to make a 
copy from the app to paste into your email.

A longer answer is to learn how to export and import GED files - it will avoid 
typos and can span as many generations and people as you want. Legacy 9 has an 
excellent merge facility if you receive GED files from your cousin. From a 
quick spec review, it looks like Gramps will do something similar if you send 
GED files.

A caution sharing GED files and dates - the US mm/dd/ date format could 
cause problems if your cousin uses dd/mm/ date format. Where possible, use 
a three letter month, Legacy can sort out the date in either order (dd mmm  
or mmm dd )

John Faulks
Gmail account


On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 3:27 PM Cynthia N. Russell  
wrote:

  I have a cousin who lives in Brazil and wants to work with me on our shared 
genealogy.  I had the paid Legacy because I wanted the additional features.  He 
has a free program titled "Gramps". I would like to take a screen shot showing 
3 generations on one screen, or, is there another way to show that to him via 
email? I've never done a screenshot and will need instructions so I can send it 
as a .pdf or ???

  Any assistance would be FABULOUS! Thanking you in advance,
  Cappagh
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Re: [LegacyUG] Duplicates in charts

[Ward Walker]

In a descendant chart, when you have a duplicated line of descent, selecting 
"show duplicates" will produce a chart with all of those descendants 
duplicated under the appropriate marriages. When you UN-select "show 
duplicates", one of those marriages will have the word "(duplicated)" inside 
the box for one of the spouses, and the descendants are not shown.


Fan charts, as far as I can see, are only ancestor charts, not descendant. I 
agree that the "show duplicates" button, although not greyed out, does 
nothing. All ancestors are shown in the fan, including duplicates, either 
way. I suspect that this is by design, due to the nature of fan charts. 
I.e., no space is saved -- the entire fan is visible regardless.


  Ward

-Original Message- 
From: Teresa Williams

Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 9:31 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Duplicates in charts

Another thing I've missed or misunderstood ...

I'm producing fan charts, and I know that there are several duplicates, due 
to second cousin marriages.


I have selected the Show Duplicates option on the Home tab of Legacy 
Charting, and on the Appearance tab have settings for font, style and 
alignment.


The text '(Duplicate)' however never appears.

What else is required?

Teresa

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Re: [LegacyUG] FW: Warning about MyHeritage / OFF LIST / Personal Emails

[Ward Walker]

Carrie, it looks to me like you received the e-mail off list. The rest of us 
did not receive it. That’s why Arnold put “OFF LIST” in the subject line. Did 
you mean e-mail addresses? I think that the sender’s address has always 
appeared.

  Ward

From: Carrie Pillow 
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 4:11 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' ; aspra...@gsb.uchicago.edu 
Cc: supp...@legacyfamilytree.com 
Subject: [LegacyUG] FW: Warning about MyHeritage / OFF LIST / Personal Emails

 

Arnold

 

Ok I wasn’t really dissing Norton, but I have worked in IT for over 30 years , 
teaching accounting software and databases, rebuilding systems when people have 
lost data dur to viruses. 

 

Norton has it place and it kept vigilantly up to date can look after the 
average home computer, 

 

but in my experience when a virus has got past it, it hasn’t the ability deal 
with it, and a much more robust package to deal with it, 

 

I am a little concerned that personal emails are appearing on this list 
though!!! Please see Highlighted below 

 

Carrie

 

From: Arnold Sprague  
Sent: 21 June 2018 15:40
To: Carrie Pillow 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Warning about MyHeritage / OFF LIST

 

OFF LIST

Carrie
In the future, when you bad mouth a program, I would like for you to 
give us your creds and for you to support your statement about Norton.
I think that we deserve to know if you are giving us fake news.
Thank you,
  Arnold



At 07:44 AM 6/21/2018, you wrote:

  Content-Language: en-US
  Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
   
boundary="_000_HE1PR03MB284397A2E04A64D677D75046CC760HE1PR03MB2843eurp_"

  It can also be a virus on your own email account, using and old email on your 
system as a back door.
   
  I would suggest running a good anti-virus (Not Norton) in safe mode, 
   
  I would also amend you paypal password – on a different machhine and NEVER 
allow you pc to remember a banking or payment passwork
   
  You may be best taking it to be cleaned.
   
  But this is off legacy topic, so ill leave it there
   
  Regards
   
  Carrie
   
  From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Cathy Pinner
  Sent: 21 June 2018 08:54
  To: Legacy User Group ; Jennie Matheson 

  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Warning about MyHeritage
   
  John,
  Contact MyHeritage direct.
  There are phone numbers and I think email is
  supp...@myheritage.com

  Others have had refunds on complaint. MyHeritage tends to renew subscription 
without advance warning.  Their support has improved though seems to have some 
way to go.

  On the other hand, as Jennie says, it may not have been MyHeritage.

  Cathy

  Jennie Matheson wrote:

  John

  Are you sure the email was definitely from MY Heritage not someone 

  spoofing their email. Sounds more like the later to me.

  Jennie

  On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 5:19 PM, < johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au 



  
mailto:johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au%20%0b%3cmailto:johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au>>
 wrote:

  About an hour ago I received an update notice for MyHeritage

  software. I clicked on the update to ensure that my computer was

  protected with the latest patches. Very shortly afterward I

  received an email confirming a subscription to My Heritage. I did

  not want it. I did not see anything asking if I wanted a

  subscription. It was paid via PayPal even though I had not touched

  my PayPal account.

  I had not used a MyHeritage subscription for a very long time

  because I did not like MyHeritage. Their software was however

  still on my computer. I was short of time and am not tech savvy so

  I clicked on the software update to protect my computer from

  “backdoor” cyber attacks. With hindsight, it was a bit odd because

  I do not recall ever receiving software update notices from

  MyHeritage in the past.

  I am disgusted with MyHeritage and fear that they will eventually

  corrupt Millennia / Legacy. When I have time, I will try to delete

  MyHeritage software from my computer.

  Be warned!

  John
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Re: [LegacyUG] How do you enter burial place?

[Ward Walker]

I agree, although I do not place it in its own field at the beginning. I.e.:
 Spokane – Fairmount Cemetery, Spokane, Washington, USA, rather than:
 Fairmount Cemetery, Spokane, Spokane, Washington, USA

This adds a new location, but it is sorted with the other locations in that 
city/township.

More specific info about the plot can go in notes, events, burial address or 
whatever. Info under the + signs does not show up in many reports. FindAGrave 
info only goes in source citations, as far as I’m concerned.

   Ward

From: Mary Young 
Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2018 9:59 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do you enter burial place?

I put the Cemetery address in the Location field. In fact, all my locations are 
to the exact street address wherever possible.  Why worry about expanding the 
location address file?  I would expect any modern database and computer to cope 
with large files. 
Mary Young.

On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 2:28 AM, Gordon Tayor  wrote:

  Enter it as an event with description and location


  Get Outlook for Android


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  Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2018 3:34:23 PM
  To: Mailing List for users of Legacy Family Tree software
  Subject: [LegacyUG] How do you enter burial place? 

  I prefer to enter the city where the burial occurs.  I put the cemetery in 
  the burial address found in the + plus sign.  Also in the +, burial notes I 
  put the plot, if available, the Find A Grave memorial number, and anything 
  else pertinent.  I notice a number of people put the cemetery name where the 
  burial occurs.  This just expands the location address file.

  Jean Gobel 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Documents

[Ward Walker]

A quick and dirty workaround, if you just need the info in any form, is to 
create a GEDCOM export. When you view the file in Notepad, you can see all of 
the media links associated with the individual, including file paths.

   Ward

From: dec...@eircom.net 
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:36 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Documents

Hi there, Here is my effort to do something similar I think. I have a folder 
called Genealogical Office on my Computer in which I  keep every type of record 
relating to family, including BMD, Census and property  records, etc.  All 
these are numbered sequentially as I receive them.
In the Research Tab in Legacy I build references to all these as I research. 
eg: 

My External  hard copy sources for him can be found in:- 

Extracts: Vol.1 Births: Bir 24
Extracts: Vol.1 Baptisms, Bap 40 for first baptism
Extracts: Vol.1 Baptisms, Bap 41 for second baptism
Extracts: Vol.1 Weddings, Wed 3 for first marriage
Extracts: Vol.1 Marriages, Mar 2 for second marriage
Extracts: Vol.2 Census, C 34
Extracts: Vol.2 Miscellaneus, Mis 4 British National Archives, WW1 Medals 
document
Family Tradition: T5 to T14 copy of army documents
Family Tradition: T7 127 Commons rd  House documents
Family Tradition: T9 Driving Licence
Family Tradition: T10 to T14 Jeannie Gordon letters to him
Family Tradition: T42 Jeannie Gordon letter to him
Family Tradition: T40,41 His letters to compiler
Family Tradition: T45 Telegram re his death to compiler, Declan Chalmers  20 
Jul 1963
Family Tradition: T62 letter Army Records Office  to brother of compiler, James 
Chalmers 1965
Family Tradition: T64 letter Andrew Buchan to James Chalmers 1967
Extracts: Vol. Maps 2  Mp 1 Aerial photo of national school, Badenscoth he 
attended in Auchterless
Extracts: Vol. Maps 2  Mp 2 parishes of Aberdeenshire
Extracts: Vol. Maps 2  Mp 5 Upperthird, Auchterless, Aberdeenshire where he was 
born
PhotoVol.1  1-17 Photos of Birth place and early childhood
Family Tradition: T5 original army papers received 2002 from my brother Alec
Research: Vol. ResearchLog 1.1 Chalmers
Research: Vol. British Army, Diary of 1st Batt Gordon Highlanders 1914-1918
External Genealogical Descendant Scroll from Ancestor: James Chalmers RIN 29

I have also a printed version of above in binders so that I can easily  find 
any document re any person quickly.

When I do a report above will be placed almost directly after the vital records 
so it is at the start of info re each person.
Declan Chalmers 



From: 2need...@gmail.com 
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:39 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Documents



I include my file number in the description for each of my media files in 
Legacy. When I print a report, i will have to look up which one, I get bullet 
points of events with a thumbnail of the image and the file number as a caption.

I use Evernote and tag each document with the people it connects too. I find it 
a faster way to find all the documents and files related to an individual. It 
also serves as off site backup and I have access to it from any device. I can 
save files for off line viewing.

On Feb 22, 2018, at 5:58 PM, Gary Crull  wrote:


  To all who've replied

  The documents I refer to consist of any format you can think of: WORD, JPG, 
PDF, TIF.

  I store all my documents in the format -mm-dd (if known) 
Surname,Given,ID#, type document. So for this exercise for Henry say I have a 
birth record, marriage record, death notice, and a will. These would look like 
this:

  1910-01-28 Brown,Henry (990) - birth cert

  1932-07-13 Brown,Henry (990) - marriage cert

  1950-03-25 Brown,Henry (990) - death cert

  1950-03-02 Brown,Henry (990) - obit

  1949-02-02 Brown,Henry (990) - will

  What I've been mulling around is something for Henry Brown (Legacy ID 990) 
that would include his INDIVIDUAL sheet, or FGS, with any documents associated 
with his ID #. 


  Thus, what I'd like is a 'container/report' for Henry Brown (990) his 
INDIVIDUAL SHEET, (or FGS) with all 5 of these documents in it. 


  The only solution I've come up so far would be to manually create a separate 
'portfolio' for each individual in my database that would contain this 
information.


  I did take a look at CLOOZ and it looks like it might might have some 
promise. AND, the scrapbook option needs to be checked out further.


  Then again perhaps, my idea is a pie in the sky and fool hardy and 
unattainable one.


  gc



  On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM, Cathy Pinner  wrote:

Gary,
You can see from the responses that we're not sure what you want to do.

If you want a list of all media linked in Legacy and who it's linked to, 
then in Legacy go to View - Scrapbook choose your options and then click Print 
Media File List and on that next screen make sure you at least check "include 
description of what media is linked to"

If you want a list of everything you've scanned, then you need a 
program/ut

Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test

[Ward Walker]

Agree, and you can create events or notes to document specific matches or 
triangulations that you might find (as you could with Y-DNA matches).

I think that the broad ethnic background tests are still a bit of a black art. 
Different companies produce different results. And how far back do you go? If a 
British ancestor has ancestors that originally came from Normandy in the 11th 
century, is that British or NW Europe? My Italian ancestry is partly shown as 
Iberian and Greek, even though those people came to Italy several hundred years 
ago.

   Ward

From: Jerry Case 
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 3:46 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage DNA test

Kevin -
This has been discussed before and, as I remember, the answer is that the 
autosomal results are too massive to include in Legacy. Plus, they would be 
difficult to interpret in Legacy. Putting the lengthy raw results into Legacy 
would swell the files unacceptably.
Jerry Case
On 1/21/2018 11:31 AM, Kevin Ferguson wrote:

  Hello,



  I have the results from a Myhertiage DNA test. I have one for myself and my 
wife. How do I go about adding this to my Legacy family tree? The DNA test was 
an autosumal test but I don't see that listed on the add DNA screen.



  The results  are rather intriguing and I have no idea how far back the tests 
would go back to but as far as I can see the test results don't match the 
research I have (I am back to 1780). I find no North African, Nigerian nor 
Finnish connection in my direct line ancestors. I agree with the English 
portion though :). It is a little bit surprising not to find any Celtic markers 
given that my name is Ferguson, my paternal grandmother was MacDonald and I 
have documented proof of Scottish kin on my mother's side. It is all rather 
perplexing and I have no idea why it should be so puzzling. My father's 
ancestors didn't even leave the county of their births for 300 years!



  Any assistance would be greatfullly received.



  Best regards

  Kevin Ferguson



  www.abbydalesystems.com 



  Numbers 6:24-26


   



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Re: [LegacyUG] Is this a proper gedcom file

[Ward Walker]

Besides inspecting the file with Notepad, you can further verify the 
integrity of the file by opening it in one of the simple, free GEDCOM viewer 
programs, such as GENViewer Lite.


Even though GEDCOM files contain no images, the file size of 31KB does sound 
too small to contain much of a tree.


  Ward

-Original Message- 
From: Valerie Garton

Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2018 8:54 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Is this a proper gedcom file

I am still trying to do this and I am now asked " is this a multiple disk
gedcom file ". I don't know the answer so do I say yes or no or have to go
back to the not so helpful owner ?

Cheers from Valerie Garton [nee Vaughan] in sunny Sydney

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Wendy Howard
Sent: Monday, 15 January 2018 10:16 AM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Is this a proper gedcom file

GEDCOM files are plain text, so you can open them in any word processor or
notepad program, such as Microsoft Word, OpenOffice Writer, or Windows
Notepad.

The first few lines will look something like this one, which I created from
Legacy:

0 HEAD
1 SOUR Legacy
2 VERS 9.0
2 NAME Legacy (R)
2 CORP Millennia Corp.
3 ADDR PO Box 9410
4 CONT Surprise, AZ 85374
1 DEST Legacy
1 DATE 20 Jun 2017

You'll be able to see people's names and other text displayed in various
lines, along with other lines that will seem to be gobbledegook but contain
information that relates to the people named.

1 NAME William /Hargreaves/
2 GIVN William
2 SURN Hargreaves
2 SOUR @S3@

So if you can open this .ged file you've been sent in an appropriate program
and see similar lines, you have a GEDCOM file, which you should be able to
IMPORT into Legacy.

It's good practice to import files like this into a new Legacy file before
merging the data with your existing file.  You may want to look at things
like Locations, and tidy them up to the way you record them before taking
the data further.

Hope this helps.  :-)

Wendy
(in a sunny/cloudy/windy Kaiwaka, New Zealand, thankfully a cooler summer's
day to some we've had recently, not yet over 30C at midday Monday).

Valerie Garton wrote on 15/01/2018 11:34:


I have been having trouble getting a gedcom file from a fellow
researcher who has been telling me on numerous occasions that her file
is a gedcom one and for me to " read up on how to add it to my program
- the file was " DNA File.rmgc (1mg) ". Yes obviously a rootsmagic
file and not a gedcom one.

Finally I have been sent this file : " DNA File.ged (31KB) " which is
meant to be her family back 6 generations ?

Can I have your comments please and please add more questions if I
have confused you.

Cheers from Valerie Garton [nee Vaughan] in sunny Sydney





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Re: [LegacyUG] List of surnames for DNA research

[Ward Walker]

But for DNA research, you might want to limit the list to surnames in your 
ancestry (pedigree), excluding spouses and cousins. Perhaps use the search 
facility.

  Ward

From: Valerie Garton 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:22 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] List of surnames for DNA research

Thanks for your replies. I did not even know there were these lists - what a 
slow learner I am after all these years of using Legacy.

 

Cheers from Valerie Garton [nee Vaughan] in sunny Sydney

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Leo MacDonald
Sent: Wednesday, 10 January 2018 4:01 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] List of surnames for DNA research

 

Master List > surname > options > Print

 




From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Valerie Garton 
Sent: January 10, 2018 12:27 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: [LegacyUG] List of surnames for DNA research 

 

How can I print a list of surnames as I think this might be useful for DNA 
research ?

 

Cheers from Valerie Garton [nee Vaughan] in sunny Sydney

 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Family tree on the Internet

[Ward Walker]

If you use Legacy to create your web pages, then you should be able to preserve 
all information types. If you use other software, then you normally must upload 
a GEDCOM file, which does have some limitations.

If you use a family tree site like Ancestry or MyHeritage, then you don’t have 
to obtain a web hosting site. My preference is to purchase a web host site and 
domain name from a vendor such as FatCow or GoDaddy, so that I can use it for 
more than just a family tree. 

My preference is to not use Legacy web page creation, but rather to use a third 
party software library on the web site, namely TNG. This supports customizable 
templates that include a welcome page and a menu for finding supporting 
documents/histories. (http://www.tngsitebuilding.com/)

TNG works well with Legacy GEDCOMs. TNG mostly supports media well, although it 
does not support media attached to source Details. The GEDCOM standard already 
mangles SourceWriter-generated sources somewhat.

Both TNG and the web host provider support various privacy and password options.

There are a few tricks to getting everything set up just right, so you would 
need some computer confidence and willingness to experiment.

   Ward

P.S.:  I also recommend FileZilla.

From: Evert van Dijken 
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 10:15 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Family tree on the Internet

As FTP program I use FileZilla: https://filezilla-project.org/  
This is a free ftp program.
Evert



2018-01-05 16:05 GMT+01:00 Evert van Dijken :

  https://legacyfamilytree.com/tipsWebPages.asp


  Evert

  2018-01-05 13:49 GMT+01:00 Henk :

Dear Legacy Users,

My name is Henk Bastiaanse and I live in Australia. I have been using 
various genealogy software programs over the past 11 years and am using Legacy 
for about 2 years. I am extremely happy with Legacy (9.0). However, the time 
has come to share all collected information with extended family and post the 
family tree - containing over 20,000 people and over a thousand pictures and 
person- and location information - on the Internet.

What would be your suggestion how to do this and to which site to post it 
to? I would really like to keep and share all  collected information, including 
the information in “Stories” etc.

Thanking you in advance for any feedback,

Kind Regards,

Henk Bastiaanse.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Comparing commercial websites

[Ward Walker]

VIPRE is a top-rated anti-virus program. It has no problem with the link.

   Ward

From: CE WOOD 
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 12:13 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Comparing commercial websites

Obviously, you have never been held for ransom, or you would never go to a site 
about which you have been warned. Many times, the site is trustworthy, but a 
hacker has stolen the link to the trusted website! McAfee picks those up too. 
It is one of the most common sources of being infected.



Anyway, I am s glad you have the patience and TIME to sit through an hour 
long video.




CE 






From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Susie Zada 
Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 7:08 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Comparing commercial websites 

McAfee is well known for ‘exaggerating’ – nothing wrong with the link / site 
for the handout.



It’s well worth getting over your aversion for videos to watch this one – I 
hate videos as well but this was worth it.  Watch it on your desktop if you can 
to appreciate it fully – otherwise why not watch it at your local library – a 
much UNDER utilised resource.



Regards … Susie Z



From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of CE WOOD
Sent: Thursday, 7 September 2017 12:02 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Comparing commercial websites



I do so hate videos and MUCH prefer the written word, but unfortunately, the 
site for the handout is a "dangerous site" according to McAfee!





CE




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Re: [LegacyUG] Web page creation

[Ward Walker]

Since creating or updating a web site can be something done infrequently, I 
suggest creating a cheat sheet of all the detailed steps from start to 
finish. It can be a simple text file. When you go back a few months or years 
later, you have it all spelled out for you.


I prefer the presentation of TNG over the Legacy-created web pages, but 
there certainly were a few tricky bits to get everything set up well. My 
cheat sheet is 2 1/2 pages long, with sections for the TNG file structure, 
the Legacy export, media, the TNG import, the TNG template, and TNG backups. 
Also, the instructions provided in the TNG readme.html file are crucial for 
initial setup.


 Ward
 (in Ottawa)

-Original Message- 
From: Joyce Herzog

Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 1:50 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Web page creation

Ian, if you have a website to upload to, you can create your web pages
in Legacy. I have a TNG site thru the Guild of One-name Studies, but i
plan to create web pages in Legacy and upload it to my website, (If I
can remember where it is!) The TNG site is for my one-name study. I
have a rather large collection of dead relatives for my own use.
Try the Legacy help section. It has a very good explanation .

Joyce

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Daniel Landry  
wrote:

I use gedcom from legacy then I use the import feature in TNG

On Jul 25, 2017 8:17 PM, "Ian Macaulay"  wrote:


Is there a step by step instruction set to create a web presence with
Legacy?

I have a TNG site up but have no clue how to manage it and am far too 
slow

to remember the basics.  I want to be able to just upload my data to a
restricted web page, set permissions and then sleep until the next update 
is

created.

Ian



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Re: [LegacyUG] LDS members

[Ward Walker]

I think best practice is for an API provider to give advance notice to the 
development community of upcoming changes that are not backward compatible. I 
don’t know if FamilySearch does this or not. Ideally, the users of the API can 
then be ready when the API change goes live. It should not be a surprise.

  Ward

From: Ronald Bernier 
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 10:43 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] LDS members

It is probably hard to believe, but not all Family Search users/subscribers are 
Legacy users.  Family Search is concerned about updating their own system for 
all of their users.  If it breaks the API for some of the users that link to 
them through Legacy or some other software, then that is just how it is.  It is 
up to the software developers to "fix" their software in order to continue to 
offer the link to their customers.  

I don't understand how people get this mistaken idea the Family Search (or some 
other service) has done anything wrong because they had the audicity to 
update/upgrade their website/service - that they make available free of charge.


On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 10:09 AM Allen Prunty  wrote:

  Why do they like to do things like this ☹ it was working just fine.  You 
would think that Ancestry and Familysearch were the us Government where if it’s 
not broken they keep fixing it until it is.



  Allen



  From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Michele/Support 



  LDS members - FamilySearch has changed their API (the programming code we use 
to interface with them) so you won't be able to see your Ordinance information 
on FamilySearch through Legacy (via the Temple tab). Luc is working on fixing 
the code on our side to match theirs and then we will get an update out as soon 
as possible.





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[LegacyUG] Linking pictures in TNG

[Ward Walker]

Ian,

Did you make any progress? I have now had a chance to look up my settings and 
here is what I found, which works:
  - My Gedcom file from Legacy contains the full absolute path to the image 
file, as used by Legacy.
  - My TNG Import Settings have the box checked that says, If no local path 
match: import filename only.
  - My photos are in a subfolder of a top level folder of my web server. I.e., 
/TNG_media/Pictures/
  - I have 4 TNG web sites, so the root path for each TNG site is at the same 
level as /TNG_media/.  E.g., /Ward/
  - The path for my Photo Folder in General Settings for each TNG site is 
../TNG_media/Pictures

Since this is off-topic for Legacy, we can continue this off-list if you wish.

   Ward

From: Ian Macaulay 
Sent: Saturday, 8 April, 2017 4:56 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating gedcom for Export - UTF8 doesn'tworkproperly

All of my pictures are in one folder,  But when I upload it the TNG does not 
link to the photos,  

Is there a trick?   I can link them one at a time but cannot get the whole set 
to link.   


Its been months since I last tried, 


Ian


On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Ward Walker  wrote:

  Ian,

  Yes, my photos are linked. One thing that seemed to be necessary was to put 
them all together in one folder, not a structure of folders. I don’t know why, 
but it solved a problem at the time. (One folder for Pictures and one for Docs.)

  Also, for docs, I had to edit the GEDCOM file created by Legacy to replace 
‘_TYPE DOC’ with ‘_TYPE DOCUMENT’ for TNG to properly link the document files. 
I don’t know if this has since been fixed.

 Ward

  From: Ian Macaulay 
  Sent: Saturday, 8 April, 2017 3:43 PM
  To: Legacy User Group 
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating gedcom for Export - UTF8 doesn't workproperly

  Ward:   Did you manage to get photos to link in TNG?I have yet to get the 
linked photos to show up.   


  Ian


  On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Ward Walker  wrote:

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Re: [LegacyUG] Creating gedcom for Export - UTF8 doesn'tworkproperly

[Ward Walker]

I would use a text editor to look inside the Gedcom file and see if there is a 
path used for the links, or just a filename. Then in your TNG settings, see if 
that meshes with the path in your Photo Folder setting (and the actual folder, 
of course).

  Ward

From: Ian Macaulay 
Sent: Saturday, 8 April, 2017 4:56 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating gedcom for Export - UTF8 doesn'tworkproperly

All of my pictures are in one folder,  But when I upload it the TNG does not 
link to the photos,  

Is there a trick?   I can link them one at a time but cannot get the whole set 
to link.   


Its been months since I last tried, 


Ian


On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Ward Walker  wrote:

  Ian,

  Yes, my photos are linked. One thing that seemed to be necessary was to put 
them all together in one folder, not a structure of folders. I don’t know why, 
but it solved a problem at the time. (One folder for Pictures and one for Docs.)

  Also, for docs, I had to edit the GEDCOM file created by Legacy to replace 
‘_TYPE DOC’ with ‘_TYPE DOCUMENT’ for TNG to properly link the document files. 
I don’t know if this has since been fixed.

 Ward

  From: Ian Macaulay 
  Sent: Saturday, 8 April, 2017 3:43 PM
  To: Legacy User Group 
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating gedcom for Export - UTF8 doesn't workproperly

  Ward:   Did you manage to get photos to link in TNG?I have yet to get the 
linked photos to show up.   


  Ian


  On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Ward Walker  wrote:

I would recommend UTF-8. I would also suggest that you use ‘Legacy’ as the 
Gedcom target, not Gedcom 5.5. Otherwise, your parent-child relationship 
statuses will not be transferred to TNG. You might want to use the Customize 
option to exclude unwanted codes that show up in TNG, such as _UID and _TODO.

   Ward

From: EMB 
Sent: Saturday, 8 April, 2017 8:06 AM
To: Legacy User Group ; legacy-deutsch-ow...@legacyusers.com 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Creating gedcom for Export - UTF8 doesn't work properly

Again, a question. Version 8.0.0.595. Maybe more for the German list.

I created a gedcom file: gedcom 5.5.1 UTF8 and uploaded it via filezilla 
(forced UTF8) to a TNG-Website ( German UTF8). All the "Umlaute" (umlaut is the 
name of the two small dots above the letters A, O, and U in German.) were 
wrong. (like 

Rüdiger-).

Before I used creating a gedcom 5.5.1 and ANSI. There everything was 
correct. But I wanted to change to UTF8. What do I do wrong again? Or does it 
not work in Legacy?

Maybe one of you knows how to do properly.

Regards,

Eva B.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Creating gedcom for Export - UTF8 doesn't workproperly

[Ward Walker]

Ian,

Yes, my photos are linked. One thing that seemed to be necessary was to put 
them all together in one folder, not a structure of folders. I don’t know why, 
but it solved a problem at the time. (One folder for Pictures and one for Docs.)

Also, for docs, I had to edit the GEDCOM file created by Legacy to replace 
‘_TYPE DOC’ with ‘_TYPE DOCUMENT’ for TNG to properly link the document files. 
I don’t know if this has since been fixed.

   Ward

From: Ian Macaulay 
Sent: Saturday, 8 April, 2017 3:43 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Creating gedcom for Export - UTF8 doesn't workproperly

Ward:   Did you manage to get photos to link in TNG?I have yet to get the 
linked photos to show up.   


Ian


On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Ward Walker  wrote:

  I would recommend UTF-8. I would also suggest that you use ‘Legacy’ as the 
Gedcom target, not Gedcom 5.5. Otherwise, your parent-child relationship 
statuses will not be transferred to TNG. You might want to use the Customize 
option to exclude unwanted codes that show up in TNG, such as _UID and _TODO.

 Ward

  From: EMB 
  Sent: Saturday, 8 April, 2017 8:06 AM
  To: Legacy User Group ; legacy-deutsch-ow...@legacyusers.com 
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Creating gedcom for Export - UTF8 doesn't work properly

  Again, a question. Version 8.0.0.595. Maybe more for the German list.

  I created a gedcom file: gedcom 5.5.1 UTF8 and uploaded it via filezilla 
(forced UTF8) to a TNG-Website ( German UTF8). All the "Umlaute" (umlaut is the 
name of the two small dots above the letters A, O, and U in German.) were 
wrong. (like 

  Rüdiger-).

  Before I used creating a gedcom 5.5.1 and ANSI. There everything was correct. 
But I wanted to change to UTF8. What do I do wrong again? Or does it not work 
in Legacy?

  Maybe one of you knows how to do properly.

  Regards,

  Eva B.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Creating gedcom for Export - UTF8 doesn't work properly

[Ward Walker]

I would recommend UTF-8. I would also suggest that you use ‘Legacy’ as the 
Gedcom target, not Gedcom 5.5. Otherwise, your parent-child relationship 
statuses will not be transferred to TNG. You might want to use the Customize 
option to exclude unwanted codes that show up in TNG, such as _UID and _TODO.

   Ward

From: EMB 
Sent: Saturday, 8 April, 2017 8:06 AM
To: Legacy User Group ; legacy-deutsch-ow...@legacyusers.com 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Creating gedcom for Export - UTF8 doesn't work properly

Again, a question. Version 8.0.0.595. Maybe more for the German list.

I created a gedcom file: gedcom 5.5.1 UTF8 and uploaded it via filezilla 
(forced UTF8) to a TNG-Website ( German UTF8). All the "Umlaute" (umlaut is the 
name of the two small dots above the letters A, O, and U in German.) were 
wrong. (like 

Rüdiger-).

Before I used creating a gedcom 5.5.1 and ANSI. There everything was correct. 
But I wanted to change to UTF8. What do I do wrong again? Or does it not work 
in Legacy?

Maybe one of you knows how to do properly.

Regards,

Eva B.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Uploading a Gedcom

[Ward Walker]

Ian,

If you choose the ‘Legacy’ option, instead of Gedcom 5.5, you will get the 
parent-child relationship statuses transferred and available in TNG.

Other export settings that I use for this:
  - character set UTF-8
  - keep embedded formatting codes and convert to HTML style
  - unselect ‘Override source options’
  - select your individuals (I use a tag for this)
  - customize: for example, I choose to remove _TODO, _UID, and QUAY. These 
don’t add much value for the TNG viewer, but they do add clutter.
  - privacy:  I do nothing on export, choosing to handle privacy with TNG 
options

Source options are tricky. Neither setting is perfect, but I get more of what I 
want without the override. Experiment with this. Depends how you have used the 
source detail fields in Legacy.

After the export, I edit the GEDCOM file in Notepad, replacing all “_TYPE DOC” 
with “_TYPE DOCUMENT”. TNG was not recognizing my document media links, 
otherwise.

For media files, I upload them into single, flat folder – no hierarchy of 
folders. (I.e., all pictures in one folder, and all documents in one folder.) 
TNG does not support media linked to source details, even though the links are 
in the GEDCOM.

   Ward

From: Ian Macaulay 
Sent: Sunday, 22 January, 2017 1:01 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Uploading a Gedcom

Ok thanks,  That too was supposedly checked off.I'll give it all another go.


Ian


On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:19 PM, Don Quigley  wrote:

  Its an import setting in TNG – “Import media if present”



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  From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Ian Macaulay
  Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 5:35 PM
  To: Legacy User Group 
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Uploading a Gedcom



  Ok Thanks,  Thats exactly what it says in my notes but when I tried the links 
did not travel with the file.

  I will try it again,  

  Ian



  On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 8:23 PM, Don Quigley  wrote:

Ian,



This is perhaps a better question for the TNG users group mail site, but 
exporting a gedcom to Legacy works best for a TNG upload.  The media links will 
come with the gedcom.



Donald Quigley

Escondido, CA

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From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Ian Macaulay
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2017 4:46 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Uploading a Gedcom



I am trying to upload a gedcom to a TNG site and seem to be missing 
something.

Please,  what kind of Gedcom to export, Basic, legacy, or ???.  And,  I am 
supposed to set a flag somewhere to include the photo links, but do not see 
where that was.

Ian



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Re: [LegacyUG] Copying Sources from FamilySearch.org toLegacy and Ancestry.com

[Ward Walker]

I believe that your statement: “The public and private tree are established 
only by paid subscribers and can be viewed only by paid subscribers.” is 
incorrect. If you ‘invite’ someone to your tree, then they can view it if they 
have an account but are not currently subscribed (paying). If the invitee does 
not have an account, the link from the invitation e-mail will ask them to first 
create a free account. (Drawbacks as you mentioned.)

From: Brian Lightfoot 
Sent: Tuesday, 3 January, 2017 1:19 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Copying Sources from FamilySearch.org toLegacy and 
Ancestry.com

To my knowledge, there are three  types of trees on Ancestry: free, public, and 
private.

 

The public and private tree are established only by paid subscribers and can be 
viewed only by paid subscribers. All paid subscribers can view and search 
through any other public tree but trees that are established as private are not 
viewable by other subscribers without special provisions established and 
granted by the tree owner. 

 

So the word public means public within the entire world of paid subscribers. 
The word private means private within the small, limited world of the owner of 
the tree and whomever is granted access by the owner. Free means no money is 
involved but owner of the tree and viewers of the tree must each establish 
their own free Ancestry account.

 

Here is the info taken directly from Ancestry's web page(s):

 

About Public Member Trees

This database contains family trees submitted to Ancestry by users who have 
indicated that their tree can be viewed by all Ancestry subscribers. 
(underscored added)

 

About Private Member Trees

This database contains family trees submitted to Ancestry by users who have 
indicated that their tree can only be viewed by Ancestry members to whom they 
have granted permission to see their tree. 

 

So while, Henry Peterson has given the link for creating a "free account", be 
aware that anyone you invite to view your free tree will also have to establish 
an Ancestry account (name, password, and email address). But many relatives may 
balk at the idea of creating another identity on the Internet. Besides, once a 
person creates such a free account, Ancestry will begin the onslaught of emails 
inviting the new enrollee to join as a paid subscriber. To make matters worse, 
while a “free tree” owner can search other “public” trees, he  won’t be able to 
view any data unless he pays for a subscription. I have yet to find any other 
“free” tree data in a search so I believe that Ancestry excludes free trees 
from searches (but apparently they are included in searches made by paid 
subscribers).

 

When I uploaded my file a few years ago, I'm not sure if Legacy was aware of 
this "Gotcha" when they had that feature to "Upload Tree to Ancestry" enabled 
in their program. As someone else has already posted, the easiest way to get 
your tree on the internet is to use Ancestry’s free cousin web site, 
WorldConnect/Rootsweb which is fully searchable and free to everyone.

 

 

Brian in CA

 

 

 

 

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From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Elizabeth Lindsay
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 5:29 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Copying Sources from FamilySearch.org to Legacy and 
Ancestry.com

 

Hi,

As far as I am aware, you need to register by setting up a user name, and then 
you should be able to see any public trees, but you do not have access to 
sources or to do research. You do not have to provide any financial information 
or credit card information.

I have given invitation to many people over the years and, only recently, I had 
one person who had problems accessing my public ancestry tree.

Elizabeth

 

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From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Henry T. Peterson Jr.

Sent: Tuesday, 3 January 2017 8:48 PM

To: 'Legacy User Group' 

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Copying Sources from FamilySearch.org to Legacy and 
Ancestry.com

 

Brian and Bill

 

There is a free account option.

https://secure.ancestry.com/Register?oldPath=/register/guestregistration.aspx

 

But, I don't know if you can view public trees.

I know that MOST of the searches and all of the "Hinting" is off limits until 
you begin to pay.

 

Regards

Henry

 

 

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From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Brian Kelly

Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 6:28 AM

To: Legacy User Group 

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Copying Sources from FamilySearch.org to Legacy and 
Ancestry.com

 

I do not have an account with Ancestry.com. Using the link you provided I got a 
"Sign In to Ancestry" screen instead of viewing the person. On that basis it 
looks like Ancestry will not let anyone without an account view public trees. I 
did not bother going beyond that to

Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Ward Walker]

I was the ‘victim’ of such a practice when I received a large GEDCOM file from 
a fellow researcher. I really don’t like it. Any report or web page that you 
produce that shows notes is hugely bloated by a lot of census and other detail 
that your target reader really does not want to see. Their eyes glaze over and 
they lose interest. I believe that the general notes, especially, should state 
interesting facts and stories (together with any events). Certainly some of 
these stories can mention where they came from, in a narrative way. But most 
source information should be in citation footnotes/endnotes, further backed up 
with text notes in the underlying detail source citations. In research notes, 
sources may be part of the discussion, but even there, the verbose details are 
clutter.

A second reason is redundancy. Source details that are in note fields often 
need to be placed in the notes for multiple individuals/marriages. Again, more 
clutter/verbosity that kills the readability of the report or web page.

   Ward

From: Cathy Pinner 
Sent: Tuesday, 30 August, 2016 2:34 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

June,
The vital thing is knowing where you got each piece of information. If notes 
are working for you, that's OK.

One of the advantages of using Master Sources with Source detail is that it's 
easy to see all the information that came from a particular source by tagging 
the Master Source and using the Source Citation Report; or making a list of all 
people who use that source.
Another advantage - more consistent source entry.
Another advantage - easy to find what you don't have sources for.

That said, if I'm in far flung twigs or still working things out I at least 
temporarily put sources in notes - though I'm trying to break myself from doing 
that as although it is quicker, particularly if I don't already have a relevant 
Master Source, I end up regretting it.

Cathy

June wrote:


  I currently do not use source s, relying instead in putting information in
  the Notes area of Legacy.

  I am wondering whether I am missing out on something by doing this. Do
  sources make the date easier to read when it is printed out? In fact are
  sources nothing more than a record of showing where information was obtain
  and if this is so do notes do the same job.

  Do sources actually make Legacy more user friendly and informative?

  I might add that I keep my family for family only but with no intention of
  printing etc.

  Thanks - June
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Re: [LegacyUG] Events & Sources

[Ward Walker]

I lean the other way on source info. I think that most viewers of reports or 
web pages that I produce appreciate more of a lean and mean presentation. Sum 
up the facts and stories in a nice, (quickly) readable way. Don’t bore the 
reader with sources, except in special cases where knowledge of the source, 
itself, is of interest. Yes, this means that I often have multiple source 
citations for the same event or note. When there is any ambiguity, I add a 
comment to the unprinted comment section of the source detail, saying which 
fact is backed up by this citation. A future researcher will figure it out, 
while present day readers of reports/webpages will not run out of patience 
while slogging through a lot of detail.

I imported a file of data by a well-respected researcher, but he had placed 
many source details in the general notes, rather than using proper source 
citations. (E.g., multiple census transcripts, death records, comments by other 
researchers, etc.) While I, as a researcher, am glad to have this source 
information, it results in horribly long, verbose reports. Boring to the 
average reader.

In your sample event, I would rather read something like:
“Sarah was living with her family at 22 Cottage St.,... in 1920. At age 18, she 
was not in school but could read and write.”
The rest goes elsewhere. The birth year should be in the regular birth or alt 
birth field, as ‘About 1902’. The mother’s occupation should be with the 
mother’s notes/events. Keep the overall reports concise. (Actually, I do not 
see the need for any such event for Sarah. I would rather have a single 
marriage event, or head of household event, for the whole family for the 1920 
census.)

Although I rarely use the notes fields associated with the built-in vital 
events, I do still agree that reports often have an awkward sequence of items.

   Ward

From: Evelyn .. 
Sent: Saturday, 9 July, 2016 10:51 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Events & Sources

Hi Martha, 

I actually do that also. I use the SourceWriter for creating the source, but I 
don't enter the transcript/abstract in the source details. Once the source is 
entered, I can copy & paste the source to the bottom of the 
transcript/abstract. I put the transcript in the event notes space so I can 
customize it for each person with comments below the source. If the data 
applies to more than one person I can cut & paste the information and change 
just the comments.

The automatic SourceWriter sources are good for the narrative book reports. The 
superscript numbers are less obtrusive and don't interrupt the flow of the 
narrative reports. These are reports that I run for family members who are 
interested in the person's story, but are not interested in the details. I 
include sources at the end of each person's narrative report because I just 
cannot leave sources out.

For the Individual/Family Group Record reports, I do not want to have to flip 
from the event page to the end of the report to find out which source belongs 
to which event. Having the source listed with each event transcript/abstract 
makes it immediately clear where it came from.

I wrestled with the 2 very different audiences that my reports go to and ended 
up with 2 methods of sourcing.

Sample of event notes:

Birth: 1902  Place: MA, USA
22 Cottage Street; dwelling no 256; family no 278; ... [deleted for brevity] 
... Sarah R. Rix; daughter; female; white; 18 yrs old; single; not in school; 
can read & write; born MA; father born Canada speaks English; mother born MA; 
bookkeeper in shoe factory; wage earner; ... [deleted for brevity]
- source -
1920 U.S. census, Norfolk, Massachusetts, population schedule, Weymouth, 
enumeration district (ED) 278, sheet 12A, p. 187, dwelling 256, family 278, 
Sarah R. Rix; digital images, Heritage Quest Online; citing National Archives 
and Records Administration microfilm T625, roll 724. Repository: Heritage Quest 
Online, 789 E Eisenhower Parkway, PO Box 1346, Ann Arbor, MI  48106-1346, USA.
- notes-
birthdate calculated from 1920 census minus 18 years old = 1902


It's always interesting to see how others do thing. Thanks,
- Evelyn

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Martha Graham  wrote:

  Evelyn & Shirley,
  Thank you for the ideas on Events, etc
  Long ago [almost 20 years] when I began using Genealogical software, I 
included the source of an abstracted or transcribed document at the bottom of 
the abstract or transcript. 
  When Legacy came along with it's 'Source Writer', I tried it and found that 
the process was so blasted tedious, I went back to my original idea of having 
the source as part of the transcript. 

  I know that this will cause shudders of horror, but believe me, it saves 
oodles of time with data input and accomplishes the goal of having the source  
bound to the event in a way that works with no hitches. It prints out just 
fine, is where it belongs in the grand scheme of things 

Re: [LegacyUG] GedCom Viewers

[Ward Walker]

I find GENViewer Lite from Mudcreek quite sufficient for double-checking or 
troubleshooting GEDCOMs.

   Ward

From: Martha Graham 
Sent: Wednesday, 29 June, 2016 9:21 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: [LegacyUG] GedCom Viewers

Gloria,
There are quite a few of them here:
http://listoffreeware.com/best-free-gedcom-file-viewer-software-for-windows/

Most of the time, we don't use them as creating a gedcom is usually just for 
the purpose of sharing a file or uploading to a system that will use it online. 

Martha
In Los Osos, CA



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Re: [LegacyUG] Mail addresses compromised?

[Ward Walker]

So the person who was hacked has not only the legacyfamilytree address in 
their address book, but the addresses for each of us who received the spam?


In any case, the spammer only has our addresses, so is there really any 
reason for us to change our e-mail passwords?


Also, the spam seems to have stopped.

  Ward

-Original Message- 
From: Sherry/Support

Sent: Wednesday, 22 June, 2016 3:29 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mail addresses compromised?

I have responded to this a few times. And I'm responding again

What I think has happened, and I've seen this before, is someone on
the list has some malware on his or her computer which has hijacked
their address book and "stolen" the email addresses. That malware has
taken *our* address to show as the "from" line with the person's name.

I've seen this many times - in fact, one of my personal email accounts
was hijacked several years ago - I had only three email addresses in
my address book and the hijacker sent out emails from me to those
three people until I changed my email address. But it's even more
insidious now as they take one of the email addresses in the address
book to send from.

I just looked in my Spam folder and I have a few of these emails. The
"Reply to" is

Badr Harrou 


If it was *our* account hijacked, our account would be the Reply To.


I agree with Leon - change your email passwords before your personal
email account gets hijacked! As long as the hijackers have access to
your email, those emails will be sent out again and again.

And whatever you do, do NOT click on anything in those emails...



Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 1:26 PM, CE WOOD  wrote:


... 



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Re: [LegacyUG] Mail addresses compromised?

[Ward Walker]

Yes, I just got 50. It’s an ad for warranties on home equipment. I can’t block 
the sender, because the sender is legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com (reads as 
‘ThankYou’). The internal links go to tr.im. According to whois.net, this 
domain name is registered in Germany to a Gurbaksh Chahal.

  Ward

From: Jodi 
Sent: Tuesday, 21 June, 2016 2:52 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Mail addresses compromised?

I am having the same problem.  I have 1008 e-mails that state that "my roof is 
on top!" 





On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 2:40 PM, Ronald Strout  wrote:




I had the same problem earlier this afternoon.


Sent from Windows Mail

From: Alex MacPhee
Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎June‎ ‎21‎, ‎2016 ‎2‎:‎21‎ ‎PM
To: mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com

Over the last few days, I have been getting lots of e-mails, apparently from 
legacyusergroup, all junk mail. In a period of just three minutes today, I have 
received 945! They clearly have nothing to do with Legacy or legacy groups. Has 
anyone else been experiencing this or similar? The address is one I only use 
for reputable mailing lists like this, so I wonder if there has been some kind 
of compromising going on, and felt it might be worth mentioning here.



Kind regards,
Alex




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Re: [LegacyUG] Trying to send a GED com file

[Ward Walker]

Marie,

Yes, you will be uploading a .GED file that you generated using Legacy export. 
When you name the file, you can control the folder that it goes into. Here are 
some further notes.

If you choose the ‘Legacy’ option for the GEDCOM export, rather than the 5.5 
format, you will get the parent-child relationships. Set the character set to 
UTF-8. Keep embedded formatting codes and convert to HTML style. Space strings 
in notes. Sources are a bit of a problem in the way that they are displayed in 
TNG. There is no perfect solution, but my choice was to unselect ‘override 
source options’ when creating the GEDCOM. You can experiment. In the Customize 
section, I chose to remove _UID, QUAY, and _TODO so that they won’t display in 
TNG. For privacy options, I chose to handle it with the TNG options, so I don’t 
restrict anyone from the GEDCOM export. Once the GEDCOM file is generated, I 
had to open it in Notepad and replace all ‘_TYPE DOC’ with ‘_TYPE DOCUMENT’ in 
order for TNG to recognize the media documents. 

For uploading the GEDCOM to TNG, if the file is large, use FTP rather than the 
TNG option.

Upload media files (that are linked to your family file) separately, using FTP.

In your TNG import settings, choose: If no birth date, assume ‘Person is 
living’. (If the person has no birth date or death date, but was marked as not 
living in Legacy, then TNG will also mark them as not living.)

The above has not been tested with the latest version of TNG, announced 
recently.

   Ward

From: Jennie Matheson 
Sent: Thursday, 16 June, 2016 6:48 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Trying to send a GED com file

HI Marie,


You need to choose File/Export/Gedcom File to create your Gedcom file which you 
can then import into TNG


Jennie


On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:06 PM, MVMcgrs--- via LegacyUserGroup 
 wrote:

  The original message to the list is in the attachment.

  This action is required because of the DMARC Reject/Quarantine Policy
  imposed by some email providers. Users who want to send messages
  without conversion to attachments should use a different email address
  for their subscription.

  Known providers for free email accounts whose emails do not require
  this conversion include gmail.com and hotmail.com.  Many other email
  providers will also work but you will have to give them a try.

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  To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
  Cc: 
  Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 23:04:31 -0400
  Subject: Trying to send a GED com file

  I have Legacy8 on a Win 7 Pro and am trying to send a GEDcom file to TNG. I 
picked 5.5 format. The family file that I'm trying to send is 5.00 mg. When I 
try to import the file from (family file ends with .FG) Legacy to TNG 
(importing from Legacy Family Tree> data) I get an error message saying the 
file is too large and to download a GEDcom to my computer and then transfer it. 
  

  When I try to locate a GEDcom file in Legacy I just have a blank screen and 
the message that there are no files. The Legacy files are saved in 
Libraries>Documents>Legacy Family Tree>Data

  Am I looking in the wrong place? Have I saved Legacy wrong?

  I do not consider myself computer literate. 

  Marie

  Marie Varrelman Melchiori, Certified Genealogist Emeritus
  __
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of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified genealogists after 
periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US 
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Re: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy

[Ward Walker]

Linda,

You raise a couple of topics that have been discussed on this list many times. 
One is your first question: where to put the church name. People continue to 
offer several different opinions for both church/cemetery names and street 
addresses. Some shy away from the Legacy address fields and vital event notes, 
because they don’t show up well in reports or web pages. As you’ve seen, some 
add them to locations, as another field (5th field for a typical US location), 
and then sort their location lists from right to left. Some append church or 
cemetery names to the city/town/township name – e.g., Des Moines – Laurel Hill 
Cemetery, Polk, Iowa, USA, and then sort locations left to right.

(Personally, I like the last one for church/cemetery names. I don’t capture 
many street addresses, and if I do, they go into a notes field. I am mainly 
interested in street addresses for residence/census events.)

   Ward

From: Linda Greethurst 
Sent: Tuesday, 12 April, 2016 8:40 AM
To: Mailing List for users of Legacy Family Tree software 
Subject: [LegacyUG] How do I enter English locations in Legacy

This note pertains to a bit of history, geography and using Legacy to enter the 
info.  I want to clearly designate the difference between the locations of 
church events such as baptism and burial and the civil events such as birth and 
death.

In the US we have city (or township if referring to a farm), then county, then 
state, and then country.   For example I would enter: Des Moines, Polk County, 
Iowa, USA.  I use the word "County" as Des Moines city is not in Des Moines 
county. The name of the church itself would go into the notes under the baptism 
address, right?

But I am confused with English locations; and I think I am mixing up church and 
civil juridictions.  In England, isn't a "parish" a larger area than just a 
church building?  Can there be more than one church/congregation within a 
"parish" jurisdiction?  

Example, I have a guy baptized on 12 Dec 1748 at St. Nicholas Parish, 
Shepperton, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom.
That would be a church location for a church function.  But what would be the 
birth location if he were born in  Shepperton. He wasn't born in the church 
building itself as far as I know. Do I use the jurisdiction of "Hundred" (which 
I haven't really figured out yet).  I don't know if he was born in the village 
of Shepperton, or on a rural residence.

Then he died in 1816 in Deptford, Kent, England  -so now I have just three 
places?  Is there a smaller unit of an address to pinpoint where Deptford is 
than just Kent?  

Is "England" enough - properly?  Do I need to include "United Kingdom"?  I do 
not use "USA" for pre 1776 events - that is not a proper location.

So the basic questions:  What are the 4 crucial "names" go into the four slots 
for the civil birth location?
   What "names" go into the four slots for 
the church baptism location? 
   What other "location" information would 
I need to include in the notes section?

I am aware of the option to omit leading commas for easier reading to the 
non-genealogist. And I know I can use more than 4 slots, but then the sort 
order gets "out of sorts".  Thus, what are the 4 vital names.

Any suggestions or guidelines would be helpful.  Thank you in advance.
Linda


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Re: [LegacyUG] LUG vs FB vs on line forums

[Ward Walker]

Curt,

The mailing list does have some of the aspects of an online forum, if you use 
the list archive. There is a search function for the archived e-mails, so you 
can look for topics that have previously been asked and answered. Of course, 
ask again here if the search results do not quite hit the mark.

The volume of e-mail is best managed by using your mail client to automatically 
filter them into a separate folder.

The Facebook group appears to be helping the many newcomers a lot, due to the 
ability to use pictures. I find the mail list easier for quickly browsing 
through the e-mails/postings. First of all, the FB users seem to be unwilling 
to start each new post with a subject/topic line. The mail list has subject 
lines. Sometimes these are not used correctly (hijacked threads, non-specific 
subjects), but often they are. Secondly, on FB the latest additions to a topic 
are buried in the comments.

  Ward

From: Curt Barnes 
Sent: Monday, 11 April, 2016 4:11 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] LUG vs FB

Michelle,

 

I’m new to The Legacy User Group but have been using Legacy for about 4-5 
years. 

 

I’m not quite sure how this works. Are there instructions for formatting 
addresses ( I noticed the “on behalf of” tag) and how the group works or 
functions. As soon as I signed up I started getting all kinds user group email. 
Is this the norm. Am I doing something wrong? I was originally looking for an 
on line forum ( many software companies have them) so I would not swamp the 
legacy folks with question that probably have already been answered.

 

I don’t use and have avoided FaceBook as a matter of habit. Don’t use a smart 
phone( someday maybe) so don’t know if Facebook Legacy User group can be 
accessed any other way or if it would justify doing so. I’m open to any 
suggestions. I have many questions I know are already asked and answered. But 
where and how is the best way to ask for myself?

 

Thanks in advance.

Curt Barnes

(majority of my family is from Alabama and Tennessee, Barnes’s, Brown’s, 
Hamilton’s, Carter’s, Lloyd’s, and many more.

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Michele/Support
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 10:18 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] LUG vs FB

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Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcoms

[Ward Walker]

Daniel,

I have custom events in my TNG site. Have you confirmed that the events did not 
even make it into the Legacy export GEDCOM? When setting up the export, there 
is a customize window where you can include and exclude various things. Ensure 
that you have not accidentally excluded events there.

   Ward

From: Daniel Landry
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 5:14 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Gedcoms

Hi

How do I create an export file that includes certain events that I created (ie: 
military attestations).
When I try try to import my file to TNG my events will not migrate it seems 
that only notes make the journey so to speak.

Thank you.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Citations - Part Deux

[Ward Walker]

Nancy,

Only when you export.

   Ward

From: Nancy
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 4:30 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Citations - Part Deux

Are you talking about source writer not working within the program or only when 
you export to gedcom or something? Should I be worried about my files?


Sent from my iPad

On Apr 20, 2015, at 1:39 PM, Ward Walker  wrote:


  The problem that I describe goes back to the introduction of the 
SourceWriter. You can see in the LUG archives several discussions about it.

  I don’t know where you are getting those labels, like ‘Media’, ‘Title’, and 
‘Publication’ in your citations. I don’t see them in my census sources, as 
imported into TNG. Could Ancestry be adding those?

  One thing to watch for: TNG incorrectly starts each citation with the Master 
Source List Name. In Legacy, this name is for internal use by the Legacy user 
and never appears in a citation. It is in the GEDCOM. I don’t know what 
Ancestry does with it.

 Ward

  From: Brian L. Lightfoot
  Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 11:50 AM
  To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Source Citations - Part Deux

  I have to admit that while I may have followed the previous conversations 
about how Legacy was supposedly mishandling SourceWriter citations, this is the 
first time I’ve seen the actual damage result. And now I’m wondering just when 
this mis-hap started to occur. I never noticed it when v8 first came out but I 
never was looking for it until several updates later. And the strange thing is 
that I believe that v7.5 did properly handle SourceWriter citations. If that is 
true, then what the heck happened in v8 to scramble this info?



  Brian in CA





  From: Ward Walker [mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com]
  Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 4:55 PM
  To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Citations - Part Deux



  This is due to the way Legacy mashes a SourceWriter source into a Basic style 
source, during the export to GEDCOM. As you know, such a transformation is 
necessary. The problem is that some of the more complex S/W templates produce 
their Legacy citations by intermixing fields from the master source and the 
detail source. But the simplistic export algorithm just groups all the master 
fields together and all the detail fields together. They go into separate 
places in the GEDCOM file.



  This is why I have been asking Legacy for years to implement a smarter 
algorithm. It won’t be easy, but the need is to preformat the citation before 
export, and then put pretty well the whole thing in the detail portion of the 
GEDCOM source. You would lose the economy of storing the master data once for 
multiple citations, but that is a small price to pay, considering the mess that 
we have now – as your example illustrates. It’s embarrassing to see these 
garbled sources on Ancestry or TNG or in your cousin’s database.



  Our only other choice, right now, is to not use SourceWriter.



 Ward



  From: Brian L. Lightfoot

  Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 2:07 PM

  To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com

  Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Citations - Part Deux



  I said there were two problems with source citations containing extraneous 
characters so this is the second problem I’ve noticed.



  Here is the previous example of a citation from a GEDCOM that appears on 
Ancestry’s servers:



  Title: 1880 U.S. census, FamilySearch\i0, index and images

  Publication: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1417683: National 
Archives and Records Administration, n.d.

  Page: T9, roll 0398, Gore Township, Sumner County, Kansas, enumeration 
district (ED) 189, p. 8D, dwelling 64, family 67,...



  Besides the extraneous “\iO” characters, there is another major formatting 
issue with the citation. It appears to me that this census event is being 
treated as a PUBLICATION. The italics got turned off because of a carriage 
return between “images” and “Publication” so nothing else is in italics. But 
all of the source info is being treated as the name of a publication and all of 
the specific into is being treated as a Page number. Notice that is says “Page: 
T9, roll 0398, Gore Township, Sumner County, Kansas, enumeration district (ED) 
189,” and then the actual page number which normally appears in the citation, 
“p. 8D, dwelling 64….”



  Once again, this formatting problem appears on every Census Event, regardless 
of year.



  Here is how the same exact citation appears on WEB PAGES created in Legacy:



  1880 U.S. census, population schedule, Gore Township, Sumner County, Kansas, 
enumeration district (ED) 189, p. 8D, dwelling 64, family 67, Daniel Lightfoot 
and Susannah Arnsberger; index and images, FamilySearch 
(https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1417683 : accessed 23 Dec 2013); 
citing National Archives and Records Administration microfilm T9, roll 0398.



  Seems they got that right, so I suspect

Re: [LegacyUG] Source Citations - Part Deux

[Ward Walker]

Wow. It sounds like Ancestry is trying to parse out the text elements of the 
source and reconstruct it! I would guess that that makes a bad situation even 
worse.

   Ward

From: Brian L. Lightfoot
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 3:35 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Source Citations - Part Deux

I’ve used MudCreek’s GenViewer and both Basic Style and Source Writer citations 
look normal to me. I then uploaded a very small test file to Ancestry. This 
test file has both types of citations and both appear on Ancestry with the 
“Media, Title, Publication and Page” extraneous info on the citation. I’m 
current testing various types of Gedcoms to see if any difference will appear 
but so far even Ancesty OnLine, and Generic 5.5.1 types of Gedcoms will show 
the extraneous info on Ancestry. Seems the Source info is interpreted as 
“Publication” data while the Source Detail info is interpreted as “Page” data.



When I view the Gedcom as a pure text file, all of the “Media, Title, and 
Publication” words are found directly in the Gedcom for the Source citation. 
For example, here is where the “Publication” word is coming from. This is part 
of a Legacy created Gedcom:



2 SOUR @S946@

3 PAGE Fort Wayne, Allen County, Indiana, p. 684A, William Cutshall; NARA 
microfilm pu

4 CONC blication T9, 0265.



Notice the “pu” at the end of the 3rd line after the ending word microfilm. 
Then look at the next line and notice “blication”. Put the two together and you 
have “publication”. Thus, Ancestry is assuming the source citation to be a 
Publication which requires a Page number. I’m no expert at how source info 
should appear in a Gedcom but apparently Ancestry is having difficulty in 
understanding what a Legacy Gedcom is sending them.





I’ve also found out where the extraneous “\iO” characters are coming from 
following any italicized word which is automatically created in certain fields 
of Source info for  a Source Writer citation. Here that is:



0 @S953@ SOUR

1 TITL 1900 U.S. census, FamilySearch\i0, index and images

1 PUBL https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1325221: National Archives 
and Recor….



You can create a Gedcom in Legacy and tell it to “Keep (or not keep), embedded 
codes, or convert to HTML style, etc” . In this case, you can make it ignore 
the  code for italics but apparently even Legacy has no idea was “\iO” 
means and thus assumes that it must be part of the information and therefore 
keeps it there in the final output.



That’s as far as I care to go with this. I think it’s in the hands of the 
programmers…either at Millennium or Ancestry or both.





Brian in CA





From: Ward Walker [mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com]
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 11:37 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Citations - Part Deux



The problem that I describe goes back to the introduction of the SourceWriter. 
You can see in the LUG archives several discussions about it.



I don’t know where you are getting those labels, like ‘Media’, ‘Title’, and 
‘Publication’ in your citations. I don’t see them in my census sources, as 
imported into TNG. Could Ancestry be adding those?



One thing to watch for: TNG incorrectly starts each citation with the Master 
Source List Name. In Legacy, this name is for internal use by the Legacy user 
and never appears in a citation. It is in the GEDCOM. I don’t know what 
Ancestry does with it.



   Ward



From: Brian L. Lightfoot

Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 11:50 AM

To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Source Citations - Part Deux



I have to admit that while I may have followed the previous conversations about 
how Legacy was supposedly mishandling SourceWriter citations, this is the first 
time I’ve seen the actual damage result. And now I’m wondering just when this 
mis-hap started to occur. I never noticed it when v8 first came out but I never 
was looking for it until several updates later. And the strange thing is that I 
believe that v7.5 did properly handle SourceWriter citations. If that is true, 
then what the heck happened in v8 to scramble this info?



Brian in CA





From: Ward Walker [mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 4:55 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Citations - Part Deux



This is due to the way Legacy mashes a SourceWriter source into a Basic style 
source, during the export to GEDCOM. As you know, such a transformation is 
necessary. The problem is that some of the more complex S/W templates produce 
their Legacy citations by intermixing fields from the master source and the 
detail source. But the simplistic export algorithm just groups all the master 
fields together and all the detail fields together. They go into separate 
places in the GEDCOM file.



This is why I have been asking Legacy for years to implement a smarter 
algorithm. It won’t be easy, but the need is to preformat the

Re: [LegacyUG] Source Citations - Part Deux

[Ward Walker]

The problem that I describe goes back to the introduction of the SourceWriter. 
You can see in the LUG archives several discussions about it.

I don’t know where you are getting those labels, like ‘Media’, ‘Title’, and 
‘Publication’ in your citations. I don’t see them in my census sources, as 
imported into TNG. Could Ancestry be adding those?

One thing to watch for: TNG incorrectly starts each citation with the Master 
Source List Name. In Legacy, this name is for internal use by the Legacy user 
and never appears in a citation. It is in the GEDCOM. I don’t know what 
Ancestry does with it.

   Ward

From: Brian L. Lightfoot
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 11:50 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Source Citations - Part Deux

I have to admit that while I may have followed the previous conversations about 
how Legacy was supposedly mishandling SourceWriter citations, this is the first 
time I’ve seen the actual damage result. And now I’m wondering just when this 
mis-hap started to occur. I never noticed it when v8 first came out but I never 
was looking for it until several updates later. And the strange thing is that I 
believe that v7.5 did properly handle SourceWriter citations. If that is true, 
then what the heck happened in v8 to scramble this info?



Brian in CA





From: Ward Walker [mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 4:55 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source Citations - Part Deux



This is due to the way Legacy mashes a SourceWriter source into a Basic style 
source, during the export to GEDCOM. As you know, such a transformation is 
necessary. The problem is that some of the more complex S/W templates produce 
their Legacy citations by intermixing fields from the master source and the 
detail source. But the simplistic export algorithm just groups all the master 
fields together and all the detail fields together. They go into separate 
places in the GEDCOM file.



This is why I have been asking Legacy for years to implement a smarter 
algorithm. It won’t be easy, but the need is to preformat the citation before 
export, and then put pretty well the whole thing in the detail portion of the 
GEDCOM source. You would lose the economy of storing the master data once for 
multiple citations, but that is a small price to pay, considering the mess that 
we have now – as your example illustrates. It’s embarrassing to see these 
garbled sources on Ancestry or TNG or in your cousin’s database.



Our only other choice, right now, is to not use SourceWriter.



   Ward



From: Brian L. Lightfoot

Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 2:07 PM

To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Citations - Part Deux



I said there were two problems with source citations containing extraneous 
characters so this is the second problem I’ve noticed.



Here is the previous example of a citation from a GEDCOM that appears on 
Ancestry’s servers:



Title: 1880 U.S. census, FamilySearch\i0, index and images

Publication: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1417683: National 
Archives and Records Administration, n.d.

Page: T9, roll 0398, Gore Township, Sumner County, Kansas, enumeration district 
(ED) 189, p. 8D, dwelling 64, family 67,...



Besides the extraneous “\iO” characters, there is another major formatting 
issue with the citation. It appears to me that this census event is being 
treated as a PUBLICATION. The italics got turned off because of a carriage 
return between “images” and “Publication” so nothing else is in italics. But 
all of the source info is being treated as the name of a publication and all of 
the specific into is being treated as a Page number. Notice that is says “Page: 
T9, roll 0398, Gore Township, Sumner County, Kansas, enumeration district (ED) 
189,” and then the actual page number which normally appears in the citation, 
“p. 8D, dwelling 64….”



Once again, this formatting problem appears on every Census Event, regardless 
of year.



Here is how the same exact citation appears on WEB PAGES created in Legacy:



1880 U.S. census, population schedule, Gore Township, Sumner County, Kansas, 
enumeration district (ED) 189, p. 8D, dwelling 64, family 67, Daniel Lightfoot 
and Susannah Arnsberger; index and images, FamilySearch 
(https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1417683 : accessed 23 Dec 2013); 
citing National Archives and Records Administration microfilm T9, roll 0398.



Seems they got that right, so I suspect problems within the GEDCOM created by 
Legacy.



Anyone?





Brian in CA






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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Citations - Part Deux

[Ward Walker]

This is due to the way Legacy mashes a SourceWriter source into a Basic style 
source, during the export to GEDCOM. As you know, such a transformation is 
necessary. The problem is that some of the more complex S/W templates produce 
their Legacy citations by intermixing fields from the master source and the 
detail source. But the simplistic export algorithm just groups all the master 
fields together and all the detail fields together. They go into separate 
places in the GEDCOM file.

This is why I have been asking Legacy for years to implement a smarter 
algorithm. It won’t be easy, but the need is to preformat the citation before 
export, and then put pretty well the whole thing in the detail portion of the 
GEDCOM source. You would lose the economy of storing the master data once for 
multiple citations, but that is a small price to pay, considering the mess that 
we have now – as your example illustrates. It’s embarrassing to see these 
garbled sources on Ancestry or TNG or in your cousin’s database.

Our only other choice, right now, is to not use SourceWriter.

   Ward

From: Brian L. Lightfoot
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 2:07 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Citations - Part Deux

I said there were two problems with source citations containing extraneous 
characters so this is the second problem I’ve noticed.



Here is the previous example of a citation from a GEDCOM that appears on 
Ancestry’s servers:



Title: 1880 U.S. census, FamilySearch\i0, index and images

Publication: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1417683: National 
Archives and Records Administration, n.d.

Page: T9, roll 0398, Gore Township, Sumner County, Kansas, enumeration district 
(ED) 189, p. 8D, dwelling 64, family 67,...



Besides the extraneous “\iO” characters, there is another major formatting 
issue with the citation. It appears to me that this census event is being 
treated as a PUBLICATION. The italics got turned off because of a carriage 
return between “images” and “Publication” so nothing else is in italics. But 
all of the source info is being treated as the name of a publication and all of 
the specific into is being treated as a Page number. Notice that is says “Page: 
T9, roll 0398, Gore Township, Sumner County, Kansas, enumeration district (ED) 
189,” and then the actual page number which normally appears in the citation, 
“p. 8D, dwelling 64….”



Once again, this formatting problem appears on every Census Event, regardless 
of year.



Here is how the same exact citation appears on WEB PAGES created in Legacy:



1880 U.S. census, population schedule, Gore Township, Sumner County, Kansas, 
enumeration district (ED) 189, p. 8D, dwelling 64, family 67, Daniel Lightfoot 
and Susannah Arnsberger; index and images, FamilySearch 
(https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1417683 : accessed 23 Dec 2013); 
citing National Archives and Records Administration microfilm T9, roll 0398.



Seems they got that right, so I suspect problems within the GEDCOM created by 
Legacy.



Anyone?





Brian in CA





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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloud for backups etc

[Ward Walker]

To search past topics, just click on the archive link (fourth line down in the 
trailer in all LUG e-mails).

There have been many discussions about Dropbox and Onedrive. Another option, if 
you do not wish to be tied to Internet access, is to keep your ‘live’ family 
files and a copy of your media on a USB thumb drive. Physically carry it to the 
preferred computer of the day. Ensure that backups go to a computer drive, not 
back to the USB drive.

   Ward


From: Norman Weston
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 6:32 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Cloud for backups etc

After several years away from family history I have returned to it to see if 
there is anything new to discover.
After a few computer hard drive deaths over the years, I am so glad that I had 
backed up both my family file and media to my dropbox account. I live part of 
the year in one country and part in another and I have my Legacy Family Tree on 
several computers. At present if I make some changes on one computer I would 
need to backup my file plus its media and restore them on the other to keep it 
current. If I fail to do this each and every time I make changes, I could 
overwrite something I had changed previously! So my question is, has anyone 
ever mentioned or thought about any sort of Legacy auto backup facility to 
cloud in order that nothing is ever lost? Apologies if this has been discussed 
before, I am not sure how to search the past topics.






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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Comments in GEDCOM [WAS: Details text showing up in Footnote citation]

[Ward Walker]

 exports the data in a fashion that cannot be accepted by the receiving 
software. Such is the case we discussed recently with Child Status in Legacy.

john.

At 12:00 PM 3/31/2015, David Abernathy wrote:

  One needs to remember that GEDCOM is a very old standard and has not been up 
dated since the early 1990’s.
  It was never designed to do a lot of things it is being forced to do today.

  It was designed to convert ALL of the data in one product so it could be used 
in an another product.
  Now we have people complaining that an GEDCOM is showing too much and at the 
same time others complaining that data is being left out.

  Why not just use these tools for what they were designed to do.


  Thanks,
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  From: Ward Walker [mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com]
  Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 12:43 PM
  To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Comments in GEDCOM [WAS: Details text showing up 
in Footnote citation]

  See below...

  From: Brian L. Lightfoot
  Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 2:15 PM
  To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Details text showing up in Footnote citation.

  ...
  Now for the really bad news that nobody has yet caught. I seems this info on 
the Comment tab of a Master Source is always included on a GEDCOM submission 
which kind of negates my idea of keeping it private.

  Brian in CA
  --

  Brian, I agree that there is bad news here, especially when the target system 
for the GEDCOM is not well-behaved. I ran into this with my TNG 
experimentation. I have just run some additional tests in order to sort out 
what is happening. Results are below. In summary, I always uncheck the export 
box that says ‘override source options’. Otherwise, TNG bloats the source 
citations with unwanted text/comments from the source Detail, and also displays 
citations that were unwanted. But this is a compromise, because now 
Sourcewriter detail fields are missing (at least for the templates that I 
tested) – a Legacy issue. There are other TNG source-handling issues no matter 
which override option you choose.

 Ward

  *** Legacy Sources On Export to GEDCOM 

  (Export to 'Legacy' GEDCOM was selected for most of these tests.)

  If choose to override source options:

- Sourcewriter Sources:
- Master source Text/Comments: Included in GEDCOM
- Detail Fields: Included
- Detail source Text/Comments: Included

- Basic Sources:
- Master source Text/Comments: Included
- Detail Fields: Included
- Detail source Text/Comments: Included

 - The source is included in the GEDCOM even if the box 'Include this 
citation on reports' was unchecked on the source detail panel. (There is a _CIT 
No tag that Legacy probably uses on re-import, but a non-Legacy target system 
would not.)


  If choose not to override source options:

- The Entire citation is missing if you do not check 'Include this citation 
on reports' on the edit Detail panel. Otherwise...

- Sourcewriter Sources:
- Master source Text/Comments: Included
- Detail Fields: NOT Included!!
- Detail source Text/Comments: Included only if had checked 'Add this 
text/comments to the Source Citation on Reports.

- Basic Sources:
- Master source Text/Comments: Included
- Detail Fields: Included only if had checked 'Add this Detail to the 
Source Citation on Reports'
- Detail source Text/Comments: Included only if had checked 'Add this 
text/comments to the Source Citation on Reports.


  TNG Import:

- Displays the source list name first, in the citation (i.e., the name 
that is supposed to be for internal use, only!!)
- Displays no master text/comment text in the citation, or if click on 
the source number.
- But DOES expands all the master source text/comments under the 
citation in the PDF report!!
- Displays master source media, when click to drill down on the source 
number.
- Displays available source detail fields in the citation, although not 
when drill down on the source number. (Master info only.)
- Displays source detail text/comment data, if present, right in the 
citation!!
- Displays no source detail media. (No media link.)
- Displays the Description field of the Detail Media file, in the 
citation!!
  ---





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[LegacyUG] Source Comments in GEDCOM [WAS: Details text showing up in Footnote citation]

[Ward Walker]

See below...

From: Brian L. Lightfoot
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 2:15 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Details text showing up in Footnote citation.

...

Now for the really bad news that nobody has yet caught. I seems this info on 
the Comment tab of a Master Source is always included on a GEDCOM submission 
which kind of negates my idea of keeping it private.



Brian in CA

--



Brian, I agree that there is bad news here, especially when the target system 
for the GEDCOM is not well-behaved. I ran into this with my TNG 
experimentation. I have just run some additional tests in order to sort out 
what is happening. Results are below. In summary, I always uncheck the export 
box that says ‘override source options’. Otherwise, TNG bloats the source 
citations with unwanted text/comments from the source Detail, and also displays 
citations that were unwanted. But this is a compromise, because now 
Sourcewriter detail fields are missing (at least for the templates that I 
tested) – a Legacy issue. There are other TNG source-handling issues no matter 
which override option you choose.



   Ward



*** Legacy Sources On Export to GEDCOM 

(Export to 'Legacy' GEDCOM was selected for most of these tests.)

If choose to override source options:

  - Sourcewriter Sources:
  - Master source Text/Comments: Included in GEDCOM
  - Detail Fields: Included
  - Detail source Text/Comments: Included

  - Basic Sources:
  - Master source Text/Comments: Included
  - Detail Fields: Included
  - Detail source Text/Comments: Included

   - The source is included in the GEDCOM even if the box 'Include this 
citation on reports' was unchecked on the source detail panel. (There is a _CIT 
No tag that Legacy probably uses on re-import, but a non-Legacy target system 
would not.)


If choose not to override source options:

  - The Entire citation is missing if you do not check 'Include this citation 
on reports' on the edit Detail panel. Otherwise...

  - Sourcewriter Sources:
  - Master source Text/Comments: Included
  - Detail Fields: NOT Included!!
  - Detail source Text/Comments: Included only if had checked 'Add this 
text/comments to the Source Citation on Reports.

  - Basic Sources:
  - Master source Text/Comments: Included
  - Detail Fields: Included only if had checked 'Add this Detail to the 
Source Citation on Reports'
  - Detail source Text/Comments: Included only if had checked 'Add this 
text/comments to the Source Citation on Reports.


TNG Import:

  - Displays the source list name first, in the citation (i.e., the name 
that is supposed to be for internal use, only!!)
  - Displays no master text/comment text in the citation, or if click on 
the source number.
  - But DOES expands all the master source text/comments under the citation 
in the PDF report!!
  - Displays master source media, when click to drill down on the source 
number.
  - Displays available source detail fields in the citation, although not 
when drill down on the source number. (Master info only.)
  - Displays source detail text/comment data, if present, right in the 
citation!!
  - Displays no source detail media. (No media link.)
  - Displays the Description field of the Detail Media file, in the 
citation!!
---





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Re: [LegacyUG] Issue with Gedcom Export of Child Status

[Ward Walker]

I am a recent TNG user. I have been using the GEDCOM 5.5.1 option for export 
from Legacy, because the TNG documentation implied that GEDCOM 5.5 was required.

Is the option to export for Legacy simply a superset of the 5.5.1 option? What 
would it give me that I don’t already have? (The child/parent relationship is 
in both.) Might it also give me things that I don’t actually want to see in the 
TNG representation? I can see at a glance that the Legacy option adds To-Do 
list items, Legacy tags and a flag for Preferred child or spouse. I imagine 
that TNG ignores these.

I agree that Child Status would be very good to add to TNG, and it is currently 
not in the 5.5.1 export option. There is also no place to edit this status in 
manually in TNG (other than using Notes or Events).

  Ward

From: CE WOOD
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 1:51 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Issue with Gedcom Export of Child Status

The reason I asked is because Darrin advised me against using GEDCOM 5.5.1.

Perhaps the problem some experience comes from not using the Legacy GEDCOM, 
thinking it is for use with Legacy only.


CE




Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 00:16:18 -0400
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
From: leg...@johnlisle.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Issue with Gedcom Export of Child Status

CE,

The issue is not which version of Gedcom you use. However, when I export a 
Gedcom for import to TNG, I always use the Legacy style export as this exports 
all of the information and so I have only a small information lossage.

This Child Status feature is one of the most important pieces that is lost.

john.

At 09:56 PM 3/25/2015, CE WOOD wrote:

  What GEDCOM version do you use?


  CE



--
  From: dwquig...@cox.net
  To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Issue with Gedcom Export of Child Status
  Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 18:05:02 -0700

  Hmmm.  On my TNG website, the "child relationship" seems to show properly as 
the "Relationship"  under a parent on a child's Personal Information page



  ...





  Donald Quigley

  Escondido, CA

  Quigley Doyle Family Tree

  http://www.donquigley.net





  -Original Message-
  From: John B. Lisle [mailto:leg...@johnlisle.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 1:49 PM
  To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Issue with Gedcom Export of Child Status

  Hi,

  A user recently reported to me that Child Status attributes, such as 
Stillborn, Twin, Adopted, etc., were not being imported into his TNG web site 
from a Legacy Gedcom file.

  Analysis shows that Legacy is exporting the Child Status in Gedcom, and can 
import those Legacy Gedcoms properly back into in Legacy. But the TNG web 
publishing application that many Legacy users use does not import the tag that 
Legacy uses to report Child Status. (Legacy currently exports it as an 
attribute of the child in the family structure.)

  --> IE, none of your Child Status attributes have EVER been imported into 
TNG. Maybe this OK with you? Maybe you have never noticed?   Further analysis 
shows that Legacy's approach to Child Status seems to be unique among the major 
genealogy products and, although the best (as far as I am concerned) actually, 
may not be optimal. In reality, there is no consistency in how various products 
implement Child Status attributes, if they handle them at all.
  Consequently, the TNG developer has less incentive to provide the fix for 
this mis-match with Legacy.  As this has been a problem for 10+ years with, 
supposedly, only myself and one other user expressing concern over this to 
Legacy, I would like to know if other users have seen this and would like to 
see this resolved. Getting something resolved - and quickly - will require 
having many folks second that this is an issue for them.

  --> Let me emphasize that this is not a Legacy bug. Legacy itself works fine. 
This is a mis-match in the interface between two products.  Also, do you know 
of any other programs where the current Child Status implementation is causing 
a problem from Legacy Gedcoms?

  Thanks for listening,

  john.

  nashua, new hampshire





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Re: [LegacyUG] gedcoms

[Ward Walker]

Barton, any chance that the missing people are marked as Private, or as
Living, and that your export privacy options exclude those?

   Ward

-Original Message-
From: Brian/Support
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 9:39 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] gedcoms

Did you export everyone with Tag 1 into the GEDCOM?
Click the record selection button on the GEDCOM export screen
Select all records with an individual tag of 1
Make sure the check marks are in the three subordinate options about
spouses, parents and children.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com


On 21/03/2015 9:14 PM, Barton Lewis wrote:
> I have never tagged so I read about it in Help but it's still not working.
> Here are the steps I followed:
>
> I turned on Tagging.
>
> I went to my ancestor and right clicked on Tab 1 above his name.
>
> In the Advanced Tagging dialog box I clicked on Descendants.
>
> I clicked on Spouse in the Descendants Options dialog box and clicked on
> All Spouses, then closed this dialog box.
>
> I closed the Advanced Tagging dialog box.
>
> All my ancestor's descendants' No. 1 tag is blue as well as their spouses.
>
> I exported the file to a gedcom and then imported it into Legacy.  No
> spouses of my ancestor or any of his descendants are showing, just his
> descendants.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Barton
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 4:07 PM
> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] gedcoms
>
> You are not doing anything wrong. There is a known problem recorded in our
> system for export of a focus group. Spouses are not included in the
> export, even though they are part of the group.
>
> To get all the correct people in the export tag all the people in the
> focus group then export the tagged people to the GEDCOM. Export of a group
> of tagged records will include the spouses.
>
> Brian
> Customer Support
> Millennia Corporation
> br...@legacyfamilytree.com
> http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
>
>
> On 21/03/2015 1:57 PM, Barton Lewis wrote:
>> This is not working.  Here are the options I am choosing:
>>
>> 1.  Export Gedcom file.
>> 2.  Record selection.
>> 3.  Selected records contained in the focus group.
>> 4.  Edit focus group.
>> 5.  Add an individual and descendants.
>> 6.   Change (to my ancestor George D Lane)
>> 7.  Spouse (selecting All spouses)
>> 8.  Click OK in Descendant Options dialog box, leaving "Descendants"
>> selected (as opposed to Entire Descendant Line) 9.  Click OK in Focus
>> Group dialog box 10.  Click Close in GEDCOM Record Selection dialog
>> box 11.  Click Select file name and start export.
>>
>> I export the file and then import it into a new fdb file.  George D Lane
>> shows up and all his children by his 3 wives.  Their names are listed as
>> "unknown."  His descendants show up down to me but none of his
>> descendants' spouses are listed.
>>
>> What am I doing wrong?  I want the descendants' spouses listed (e.g.
>> his daughter Isabelle's marriage to my great-grandfather; their son's
>> marriage to my grandmother, etc.)
>>
>> Barton
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Michele/Support [mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2015 9:19 AM
>> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
>> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] gedcoms
>>
>> When tagging or using a focus group there is a big difference between
>> the options
>>
>> Descendants
>> Entire Descendant Line
>>
>> You want, most likely, just the Descendants.
>>
>> If you look to the right of the ***All Spouses*** you will see a Spouse
>> button.  If you click that you will notice that your anchor person's
>> spouses are listed.  If there are more than one, you can click a specific
>> spouse and then your ***All Spouses*** will change to just that one
>> spouse.  This option applies only to the anchor person.
>>
>> If a direct descendant of this anchor person has more than one spouse
>> those spouses and any children they had together will be in the focus
>> group.  What won't be in the focus group will be any additional
>> spouses the direct line's spouse had (does that make sense?)
>>
>> For example, if I did the descendants of my 3rd great grandfather, both
>> of my 2nd great grandfather's marriages would appear and all of the
>> children he had with both wife's but his second's wife's first husband
>> will not appear nor any children she had with him.
>>
>> Now your second question.  When you are creating a gedcom I always
>> recommend that you leave it at the defaults (Legacy gedcom) that will
>> create a gedcom that has the most information in it and any of the top
>> programs will be able to read it.   The only time I would crank it down
>> to one of the lesser options is if I was creating the gedcom for someone
>> that didn't have one of the top programs or I was doing it for a spec

[LegacyUG] Sources in Notes Fields

[Ward Walker]

While not freaking out, I would discourage this method. I have inherited
data via Gedcom that expands source details in the Notes. I find the reports
and web pages that result appear very bloated and verbose, often with
redundant information. Who wants to read all that when trying to scan and
understand their shared family tree? Bury these details in the sources, for
lookup by those truly interested in digging further. Keep the reports clean
and concise. IMO.

   Ward

-Original Message-
From: Charani
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 8:14 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Difference Between Occupation and Employment Events?

On 01/03/2015 12:05, GeoPappas wrote:
...
I've no doubt many on this list will totally freak out because I
/don't/ use the Master Sources.  I use the various Notes fields to
record everything (inc some caustic comments about the less pleasant
members of the family! ) and occasionally the events field if
there's something I might need to see instantly when look at a
particular person's entry.
...





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Re: [LegacyUG] Missing Marriage Notes in Export

[Ward Walker]

I logged the bug on Monday, it was verify by Support on Tuesday, and it is 
reported fixed on Thursday (in the next release). Sometimes we wait years for a 
fix, and sometimes we get outstanding service!

  Ward

From: Ward Walker
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 3:26 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Missing Marriage Notes in Export

Thanks Kurt and Paul for giving some thought to my issue. (Kurt, this family 
did have children. I had truncated the lines in the example, after the note 
line.)

However, I have now tracked down the cause and I consider it a bug.

When I export with the privacy option of suppressing details of living 
individuals, the marriage notes for a couple are missing if any of their 
children are living. As soon as I kill off the one living child in this 
example, the marriage notes appear.

Here is why I consider it a bug:
1.  Other marriage details are present: the date, place, and sources. Even the 
existence of the marriage note is present – just not the note itself.
2.  The export screen where the privacy options are presented says nothing 
about suppressing anything to do with the parents of a living individual.

I updated to the current build, 467, and the problem is still there.

  Ward

From: Kurt Kneeland
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 1:13 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Missing Marriage Notes in Export

It appears that in the first case there are children and then the change 
date/time and then the text of the note.  In the second case there are no 
children and both the change date/time and the note text are missising.  Is 
this the recurring pattern?  Are all the missing marriage notes for families 
with no children?



From: Ward Walker [mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 9:37 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Missing Marriage Notes in Export



I did send a brief reply to this yesterday, but I see that it bounced back with 
a curious message:

”Remote host said:
451 Greylisted, please try again in 756 seconds”



I have not heard of greylisting. Anyway, here is my answer again, expanded with 
examples.



The notes in question were missing from the gedcom export. (That’s why I posted 
to a Legacy list.)



I find it very mysterious that some marriage notes would export and others not.



For example, here is a case where the marriage note exported successfully:

0 @F167@ FAM

1 HUSB @I265@

1 WIFE @I468@

1 MARR

2 DATE 17 Aug 1865

2 PLAC Albi, Catanzaro, Calabria, Italy

2 SOUR @S45@

2 NOTE @NF167@

1 CHIL @I247@

1 CHIL @I268@

1 CHAN

2 DATE 29 Jan 2000

3 TIME 22:24

0 @NF167@ NOTE

1 CONC Antonio and Carmina were both living in Dardanese at the ti

1 CONC me of the marriage. Carmine's parents were deceased. The ma

1 CONC rriage record mentions the Death Extract document for 'Mari

1 CONC a Spagnolo, first wife of the husband.'



And here is a case where the marriage note link is in the gedcom for the family 
section:

0 @F113@ FAM

1 HUSB @I7@

1 WIFE @I269@

1 MARR

2 DATE 9 Dec 1922

2 PLAC Spokane, Spokane, Washington, USA

2 SOUR @S2@

2 NOTE @NF113@



... but the note NF113 is completely missing from the gedcom file.



As I write this, I just looked at an older, but similarly-created gedcom, and 
the notes appear to be well-behaved there. Perhaps my export had a glitch and 
didn’t complete everything, although you would think that the file would not be 
usable in that case. I’ll try again.



   Ward





From: Paul Gray

Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 6:30 PM

To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Missing Marriage Notes in Export



Just to clarify



Were the missing entries in the GEDCOM export and failed to import to the new 
file, or were they not in the export to begin with?



Paul Gray



From: Ward Walker [mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com]
Sent: February-20-15 4:03 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Missing Marriage Notes in Export



I discovered a marriage note missing from a Gedcom 5.5 export from Legacy, so I 
did some searching. I found that there were 71 individuals in my source family 
file who were tagged for this export and who had marriage notes. The exported 
gedcom, once re-imported to Legacy, only had 17 individuals with marriage notes.



For the missing cases, both husband and wife were tagged and exported. Other 
marriage details were exported. I haven’t noticed any other types of notes 
missing.



Any ideas?



I’m using version 8.0.0.454.



  Ward




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Re: [LegacyUG] Missing Marriage Notes in Export

[Ward Walker]

Trying again, after another greylisting...

From: Ward Walker
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 3:26 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Missing Marriage Notes in Export

Thanks Kurt and Paul for giving some thought to my issue. (Kurt, this family 
did have children. I had truncated the lines in the example, after the note 
line.)

However, I have now tracked down the cause and I consider it a bug.

When I export with the privacy option of suppressing details of living 
individuals, the marriage notes for a couple are missing if any of their 
children are living. As soon as I kill off the one living child in this 
example, the marriage notes appear.

Here is why I consider it a bug:
1.  Other marriage details are present: the date, place, and sources. Even the 
existence of the marriage note is present – just not the note itself.
2.  The export screen where the privacy options are presented says nothing 
about suppressing anything to do with the parents of a living individual.

I updated to the current build, 467, and the problem is still there.

  Ward

From: Kurt Kneeland
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 1:13 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Missing Marriage Notes in Export

It appears that in the first case there are children and then the change 
date/time and then the text of the note.  In the second case there are no 
children and both the change date/time and the note text are missising.  Is 
this the recurring pattern?  Are all the missing marriage notes for families 
with no children?



From: Ward Walker [mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 9:37 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Missing Marriage Notes in Export



I did send a brief reply to this yesterday, but I see that it bounced back with 
a curious message:

”Remote host said:
451 Greylisted, please try again in 756 seconds”



I have not heard of greylisting. Anyway, here is my answer again, expanded with 
examples.



The notes in question were missing from the gedcom export. (That’s why I posted 
to a Legacy list.)



I find it very mysterious that some marriage notes would export and others not.



For example, here is a case where the marriage note exported successfully:

0 @F167@ FAM

1 HUSB @I265@

1 WIFE @I468@

1 MARR

2 DATE 17 Aug 1865

2 PLAC Albi, Catanzaro, Calabria, Italy

2 SOUR @S45@

2 NOTE @NF167@

1 CHIL @I247@

1 CHIL @I268@

1 CHAN

2 DATE 29 Jan 2000

3 TIME 22:24

0 @NF167@ NOTE

1 CONC Antonio and Carmina were both living in Dardanese at the ti

1 CONC me of the marriage. Carmine's parents were deceased. The ma

1 CONC rriage record mentions the Death Extract document for 'Mari

1 CONC a Spagnolo, first wife of the husband.'



And here is a case where the marriage note link is in the gedcom for the family 
section:

0 @F113@ FAM

1 HUSB @I7@

1 WIFE @I269@

1 MARR

2 DATE 9 Dec 1922

2 PLAC Spokane, Spokane, Washington, USA

2 SOUR @S2@

2 NOTE @NF113@



... but the note NF113 is completely missing from the gedcom file.



As I write this, I just looked at an older, but similarly-created gedcom, and 
the notes appear to be well-behaved there. Perhaps my export had a glitch and 
didn’t complete everything, although you would think that the file would not be 
usable in that case. I’ll try again.



   Ward





From: Paul Gray

Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 6:30 PM

To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Missing Marriage Notes in Export



Just to clarify



Were the missing entries in the GEDCOM export and failed to import to the new 
file, or were they not in the export to begin with?



Paul Gray



From: Ward Walker [mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com]
Sent: February-20-15 4:03 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Missing Marriage Notes in Export



I discovered a marriage note missing from a Gedcom 5.5 export from Legacy, so I 
did some searching. I found that there were 71 individuals in my source family 
file who were tagged for this export and who had marriage notes. The exported 
gedcom, once re-imported to Legacy, only had 17 individuals with marriage notes.



For the missing cases, both husband and wife were tagged and exported. Other 
marriage details were exported. I haven’t noticed any other types of notes 
missing.



Any ideas?



I’m using version 8.0.0.454.



  Ward




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Re: [LegacyUG] Missing Marriage Notes in Export

[Ward Walker]

I did send a brief reply to this yesterday, but I see that it bounced back with 
a curious message:
”Remote host said:
451 Greylisted, please try again in 756 seconds”

I have not heard of greylisting. Anyway, here is my answer again, expanded with 
examples.

The notes in question were missing from the gedcom export. (That’s why I posted 
to a Legacy list.)

I find it very mysterious that some marriage notes would export and others not.

For example, here is a case where the marriage note exported successfully:
0 @F167@ FAM
1 HUSB @I265@
1 WIFE @I468@
1 MARR
2 DATE 17 Aug 1865
2 PLAC Albi, Catanzaro, Calabria, Italy
2 SOUR @S45@
2 NOTE @NF167@
1 CHIL @I247@
1 CHIL @I268@
1 CHAN
2 DATE 29 Jan 2000
3 TIME 22:24
0 @NF167@ NOTE
1 CONC Antonio and Carmina were both living in Dardanese at the ti
1 CONC me of the marriage. Carmine's parents were deceased. The ma
1 CONC rriage record mentions the Death Extract document for 'Mari
1 CONC a Spagnolo, first wife of the husband.'

And here is a case where the marriage note link is in the gedcom for the family 
section:
0 @F113@ FAM
1 HUSB @I7@
1 WIFE @I269@
1 MARR
2 DATE 9 Dec 1922
2 PLAC Spokane, Spokane, Washington, USA
2 SOUR @S2@
2 NOTE @NF113@

... but the note NF113 is completely missing from the gedcom file.

As I write this, I just looked at an older, but similarly-created gedcom, and 
the notes appear to be well-behaved there. Perhaps my export had a glitch and 
didn’t complete everything, although you would think that the file would not be 
usable in that case. I’ll try again.

   Ward


From: Paul Gray
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 6:30 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Missing Marriage Notes in Export

Just to clarify



Were the missing entries in the GEDCOM export and failed to import to the new 
file, or were they not in the export to begin with?



Paul Gray



From: Ward Walker [mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com]
Sent: February-20-15 4:03 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Missing Marriage Notes in Export



I discovered a marriage note missing from a Gedcom 5.5 export from Legacy, so I 
did some searching. I found that there were 71 individuals in my source family 
file who were tagged for this export and who had marriage notes. The exported 
gedcom, once re-imported to Legacy, only had 17 individuals with marriage notes.



For the missing cases, both husband and wife were tagged and exported. Other 
marriage details were exported. I haven’t noticed any other types of notes 
missing.



Any ideas?



I’m using version 8.0.0.454.



  Ward







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[LegacyUG] Missing Marriage Notes in Export

[Ward Walker]

I discovered a marriage note missing from a Gedcom 5.5 export from Legacy, so I 
did some searching. I found that there were 71 individuals in my source family 
file who were tagged for this export and who had marriage notes. The exported 
gedcom, once re-imported to Legacy, only had 17 individuals with marriage notes.

For the missing cases, both husband and wife were tagged and exported. Other 
marriage details were exported. I haven’t noticed any other types of notes 
missing.

Any ideas?

I’m using version 8.0.0.454.

  Ward



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[LegacyUG] Export File Paths

[Ward Walker]

I am trying to upload from Legacy to TNG. Most things are working, but I am 
having trouble with media files. Specifically, I cannot figure out how to 
control the Legacy export (to Gedcom 5.5) so that it only names the media file, 
rather than to give a file path as well. I do not want the absolute file path 
on my computer, nor the relative file path that begins with “[Default Media 
Folder]\”. I have already uploaded the files to an appropriate directory on my 
web server, and I can point TNG to that. Somehow I have got Legacy into a state 
where the picture files are correct in the gedcom (filename only), and the 
document files are not (Default Media Folder]\Docs\filename).

I am vaguely aware of having been prompted for a choice for this, once upon a 
time. Was it a one-time prompt, never to be revisited? I have looked through 
all the customization options and all the option on the export screens.

   Ward



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Re: [LegacyUG] RE: My Legacy Test Message

[Ward Walker]

We are lumping several different problems together. The one that stands out,
to me, is when a person subscribes, or resubscribes after a vacation, and
end up in a half-subscribed state. That is, they can post, but not receive
list messages. This does not involve spam filters, etc. This is fixed,
almost always, by Legacy Support doing something to manually correct the
subscription. This problem is the one that most irritates the rest of the
LUG subscribers, since we have a busy list and extra 'noise' is not welcome.
This problem, alone, is sufficient reason, after all these years, for
Millennia to finally switch to a better list serve vendor.

   Ward

-Original Message-
From: Brian L. Lightfoot
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 12:53 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] RE: My Legacy Test Message

I think there might be a problem with trying to use the RootsWeb list
servers offered through Ancestry and that is our messages are mostly not
related to genealogical research but rather to a specific program
utilization, namely Legacy. And that means our messages are of no interest
to the general public looking for some family information. I doubt if
Ancestry would allow Millennia to set up shop at their expense.

And for what it's worth, I have never had a problem with receiving messages.
My initial subscription went as planned and to my knowledge I've never had a
problem with message coming through. So the problem is not with the list
server but rather with how other email servers are seeing the messages
generated by the list server. Some may have it black flagged while others
may have an overzealous spam setting gobbling up messages like a black hole.
The list server itself may not be without fault though because there are
things it (or the people behind it) can do to configure itself to be web
friendly to all other devices on the web. The secret to doing that is above
my pay grade.

Brian in CA





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Re: [LegacyUG] Event Addresses

[Ward Walker]

Just to add to the mix, here is another option that has been mentioned on
this list a number of times. It works for some people and others dislike it.
It works for me because I seldom record street addresses, and when I do it
is in notes. But I do like to record hospital, church, and cemetery names
right in the location field for vital events.

The method is to add the institution name in the same field as the
town/township, as in this example with 3 separate locations:
Spokane, Spokane, Washington, USA
Spokane - Fairmount Cemetery, Spokane, Washington, USA
Spokane - Sacred Heart Hospital, Spokane, Washington, USA

I like the way this sorts in the location list (either left to right or
right to left). It doesn't rely on using a 4-field convention.

Now, in non-vital Legacy events, I would put the institution name in the
event notes or description field, and use the city-only version of the
location in the location field. That way you can make the event readable
with the desired prepositions and punctuation.

   Ward

-Original Message-
From: Arthur & Pauline Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 12:24 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Event Addresses

Thanks for the reply, Wendy. In response:

On 13/01/2015 00:57, Wendy Howard wrote:
> Hi Arthur,
>
> In Legacy, there are addresses and locations. They might appear to be
> the same, but they're separate fields in the program.
>
> "1... the Event Address list contains a lot of duplicates... Is there a
> way to get round this so that they are automatically combined?"
>
> I choose to put the entire address into the Location field, and don't
> use the Event Address field at all (except for some early entries that I
> haven't changed yet). That's my choice, others may do things differently
> - Legacy is a very flexible program, so there are choices like this to
> be made.
In my current program I've only got part-way through converting the
single-field locations into separate location and address fields, and my
experiments so far make me wonder if I should be recombining them. As
well as the issue I've had here in Legacy, a different program has put
the Address data into the event Notes field, which is clear enough and
presents reasonably on the reports I would do, but doesn't seem quite
right to me.

> In my experience, before I made this decision to use only Locations,
> you're not given the opportunity to apply an existing address.
This kind of rings a bell with me from when I tried this out years ago
in v.5, and since I could see I was going to end up with a long long
list of addresses I decided to stick with the single field. (It's only
in my current software that I've actually started making the changes.)

> You can combine Event Addresses if you wish - go to the Master Event
> Address List (View > Master Lists > Address Lists > Event), select one
> address then click on the button "Combine the highlighted event address
> with another one in the list"; next click on the address you want to
> combine this one with, then click on the button which now says
> "Highlight the Destination, then Click this Button". You've now combined
> the two addresses, and only the second one remains in the list.
Thanks - I just wondered if there was some way of doing this more
automatically.

> "3. What is the best way to differentiate between apparently identical
> addresses which belong in different locations (eg St Peter's Church in
> two different towns)?"
>
> My choice is to include the street address if I know it, and the town,
> county (or whatever it is called in this particular place), and country.
> I put all of this into the Location field.
Yes - if you're using a single Location field it's not really a problem,
because you'd get things like:
St Peter's Church, Bradford
St Peter's Church, Leeds
plus whatever other elements you choose to include, such as street,
county, country etc, and as these would all show in the location list,
it would be easy to select the right one.

What I'd wondered was, if you're separating the Address from the
Location, how in the address list do you distinguish between two
different St Peter's Churches. With parish churches, I don't usually
include a street name, so unless I included something else in the
address field I wouldn't be able to tell which was which.

If, as you say, there isn't an option to select an existing address when
entering a location, then at least the potential confusion is avoided
there. But trying to combine addresses could be a lengthy process as it
would involve a search list for each one to see who used it and which
location it was attached to, in order to make sure that St Peter's
Church, Bradford was kept distinct from St Peter's Church, Leeds etc.

Anyway, thanks for your suggestions.

Arthur





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Re: [LegacyUG] legacy 8 problems again

[Ward Walker]

Janet, you can always try out things like this without fear by doing so on a
copy of your family file.

   Ward

-Original Message-
From: Janet Miller
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 3:22 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] legacy 8 problems again

...  I admit to not doing a file maintenance and  did think of it
but under the circumstances was afraid  to do anything much not knowing
how stable it is and what it might do.
...





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Re: [LegacyUG] How clean before upgrade to v.8?

[Ward Walker]

I disagree. Every major version has its list of unresolved issues. The 
programmers are actively improving only the current version. Legacy 8 is 
stable. It doesn’t crash, except in very rare cases. It doesn’t trash our data. 
We should be exploring and using its new features, and reporting bugs against 
it. That doesn’t feel like beta testing to me. I would only recommend staying 
behind if you know of a specific bug that is a showstopper or major pet peeve 
for what you need to accomplish – and then only if v7.5 doesn’t have its own 
showstoppers. We are lucky that Legacy provides regular updates of the latest 
versions, unlike many other vendors. Yes, there is a risk that an update could 
introduce a new bug that escaped the testing process. That’s unfortunate, but 
at least the updates contain other fixes and improvements. And if the new bug 
is severe enough, then a new update will come out shortly.

Issues “unresolved after more than a year” is nothing new with v8. I have pet 
issues that have been unresolved for several years/version. They just don’t 
seem to rise to the top of the priority list. Are there more issues now? 
Possibly, since there are many more features, although it is not my perception.

  Ward

From: CE WOOD
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 8:47 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] How clean before upgrade to v.8?

There are oodles of us who continue to use Legacy 7.5 because it has many fewer 
bugs than Legacy 8. Oh yes, we have Legacy 8 installed, and periodically load a 
copy of our Legacy 7.5 file to it, but until every update contains new bugs, 
and many issues are still unresolved after more than a year, we use Legacy 7.5.

As so many have reported here and elsewhere, Legacy 8 was released too soon. 
Beta testers are aware of the problems with new versions and do not continue to 
use the old version; what we didn't know was that WE are still the beta 
testers. It will get better, but they bit off more than they could chew. The 
cud is not yet digestible.


CE




Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 07:56:14 +0800
From: genea...@gmail.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How clean before upgrade to v.8?

Hi Marilyn,

I'd take the plunge to Legacy 8.

You may not know that installing Legacy 8 leaves your Legacy 7.5 installation 
and its files intact so that you can try Legacy 8 before abandoning Legacy 7.5. 
Legacy 8 installs to the Program Files on your computer unlike Legacy 7.5 which 
shouldn't have been installed there and if installed to the default is at 
C:\Legacy.  Legacy 8 creates a folder in your My Documents folder called Legacy 
Family Tree. In that is the Legacy AppData and also a folder for your family 
files. Make sure you either COPY your 7.5 file there and convert it there OR 
take advantage of the offer in the conversion dialogue to do that for you. But 
of course do a backup of your 7.5 files before you start.

Then when you are in Legacy 8 use the Tools - Media Relinker to sort out your 
media problems.
If the Help from the Media Relinker isn 't clear enough for you, get back to 
the list with your queries.

Cathy

Marilyn Clark wrote:


  I purchased the upgrade to Legacy8 2 months ago and have yet to
  install it. I have 7.5 Deluxe.

  At one point I moved a bunch of attached photos and each time I backup
  I get the message that some media files are missing. I've been
  chipping away at them, but still probably have many more to re-find.

  Do you think it would be OK to install Legacy8 before I re-link all my
  missing media? Someone on this list just mentioned how much easier it
  is to do this in 8...
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Re: [LegacyUG] Source clean up problem

[Ward Walker]

Last I checked (a couple of years ago now), Legacy supported subsequent 
citations for footnotes but not for endnotes. Even for footnotes, there were 
some issues. The fields that get suppressed are not always what you expect. 
Some people were putting data in alternate template fields, as a workaround. My 
testing was with SourceWriter. I don’t think that the concept exists for Basic 
sources. You can see immediately in the output preview on the Assigned Sources 
window. This has nothing to do with your Gedcom, other than the fact that any 
export to Gedcom has to squash all sources into a basic style.

  Ward

From: karenhappuch
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 5:04 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Source clean up problem

Clarifying my source question:
I began my migration to Legacy in August and completed most of the transition 
by late September.  (Probably I should have waited for Legacy's direct import 
from TMG which isn't out yet.  I'm impatient and didn't.)  I left source clean 
up to the end because it was mostly removing Source Labels that were imported 
as part of the source.

My preferences are set to Source Writer and all added new sources have used 
Source Writer.  These look great and I intend to stick with Source Writer for 
new sources.

Questions - Does Basic only have the Full footnote and not have subseqent 
footnote and bibliography?  Or does this only occur with a Gedcom import?

- Original Message -
  From: Mary Fowler Leek
  To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 1:30 PM
  Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Source clean up problem

  Barbara,



  Can you duplicate each basic source in Source Writer to get the look you want 
when used in a report, then figure out how to edit and paste the formatted info 
into your basic source that will closely achieve the same style? Once done, 
when you save the edit, it will ask if it should be applied to all uses of the 
source or to create a new source. If applied to all instances of this source, 
then it would give you the same result as if combining, except it would still 
be recognized as a basic source in Legacy. This might take a little thought but 
would at least get the source style updated. Might this act as a work around?



  Then set your preferences to use Source writer for all new sources entered 
and move forward with your research.



  From: karenhappuch [mailto:karenhapp...@cox.net]
  Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 10:32 AM
  To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Source clean up problem



  My migration from TMG to Legacy is down to source clean up.  I've run into a 
source problem.  The imported sources have the very same wording for footnote, 
subsequent footnote, and biblography.  I tried creating a duplicate source and 
then moving all to the new source (combining?).  Tha new source looked great, 
but I couldn't move to it because old is Basic and new is Source Writer.



  I do not want to quit using Source Writer for newly created sources because I 
really like the results it produces.



  Barbara







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Re: [LegacyUG] New update is out

[Ward Walker]

Mike,

I'm not a fan of a program connecting to the Internet and performing a task
during startup. Legacy 8 already has a delay on startup. I agree with your
item b). Thus, if Legacy is configured to open in the Home tab, then the
check should be performed on startup. If Legacy is configured to open in the
Family tab, then no check should be performed on startup.

In any case, the words "You have the latest build" should certainly not be
displayed on the Legacy Home tab unless the check has been performed in the
current session.

  Ward

-Original Message-
From: MikeFry
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 5:11 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [LegacyUG] New update is out

On 2014/12/03 09:44 PM, Steve Pick wrote:

> Yes Mike, I don't deny that but why does 454 say I have the latest
> edition.
> If i wasn't reading the messages I wouldn't know! Why put up a message if
> it
> is meaningless???

This has been going on for some years now.

To me, the obvious method that should have been programmed is as follows

a) On startup, and if allowed (connect to Internet) check for a new version
b) Thereafter, every time the Home tab is selected, perform the check

This way, viewing the Home tab would show an up to date status provided the
user
has allowed the program to connect to the Internet.

--
Regards,
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy not syncing in Dropbox

[Ward Walker]

At least you are receiving them. I don’t get them at all, even in the junk mail 
folder.

From: Lavern Hall
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 10:11 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy not syncing in Dropbox

Hi Ron,


...


Thanks again,
Lavern Hall


BTW Ron, your emails to LUG always show up
in my spam folder. Don't know why, have tried
to correct the matter without results, so I check
spam everyday and take your emails, indicate
that they are not spam and move them
to my inbox. If you aren't receiving responses
to your posts, this could be why. :-)


...


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Re: [LegacyUG] Repeating Source Pictures/Documents on Reports

[Ward Walker]

Laurel,

I am reminded now, by looking at my own data, that subsequent citations only
seem to work for SourceWriter sources, not with Basic sources. You could
request a Legacy enhancement to at least drop the media from subsequent
Basic sources. In the meantime, have you considered attaching the picture to
the source Detail instead of the Master? That way you could attach it to
only one of the citations, instead of all of them.

As an aside, it seems unusual to have a birth certificate in a Master
source. More common would be for the master to represent a collection, and
the individual certificate to be in the Detail portion of the citation. You
can still easily cite the certificate more than once, using the source
clipboard.

One further thought: Do the readers of your reports really need to ever see
a picture at all within source footnotes? Especially when it is hard to
read. You can still attach the picture for your internal reference, without
choosing to display it in the report citations. Also, pictures that do
display well, like photos of people, can optionally be attached to an event,
in which case they will show up just once.

   Ward

-Original Message-
From: Greg and Laurel
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 10:48 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Repeating Source Pictures/Documents on Reports

Thank you Ward and Cheryl for your replies.  I will contact Support about my
emails.  The situation was a Master Source repeating on the reports right
after the exact Master Source before it -- with the same picture of the
birth certificate repeated.   I could handle the repeating Source if the
picture didn't repeat.It just seems a whole big mess of citations
compared to the older version.   Thanks again.  Laurel

> On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:46 PM, "Ward Walker" wrote:
>
> Gregandlaurel,
>
> Not receiving list e-mails is a frequent problem, due to a flaw in the
> service that Milllenia uses. You need to send an e-mail to
> supp...@legacyfamilytree.com and ask them to fix your partially-working
> subscription.
>
> We had a big discussion here in 2009, where some people were bemoaning the
> fact that ibid had stopped working in the then latest release. Some
> points:
> - ibid is only useful for a citation where the master source is identical
> to the one in the immediately preceding citation. The way that reports are
> constructed, we have little control over the order of citations in
> footnotes.
> - Legacy uses the concept of 'subsequent citations', where an abbreviated
> form of the master citation is used if that master was cited anywhere
> above in the list of citations.
> - If both the master and detail information in a citation are identical to
> a previous citation, then Legacy should simply use the same footnote
> number in the report, rather than create a new footnote. It was not clear
> whether this was always working.
> - Subsequent citations get very complicated when dealing with SourceWriter
> sources. Bugs were logged. I haven't checked whether any work has been
> done on those issues. Many e-mails in the LUG archive.
>
>  Ward
>
> -Original Message- From: singhals
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 7:01 PM
> To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Cc: gregandlau...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Repeating Source Pictures/Documents on Reports
>
> gregandlaurel
>> Hi, I subscribed about a week ago, but I am not receiving any emails.   I
>> see a question I posted shows on the usergroup and I was hoping someone
>> could help me with it.  Here it is again:
>>
>> I just recently upgraded to Legacy 8 and I use the Basic System for
>> sources.
>> I have a 2 part issue:  firstly, does ibid not work?   Under Customize
>> Legacy - Sources, Section 7.8 it says "Use ibid for repeating Master
>> Sources
>> (this only applies to Basic-Style sources).  I have this ticked, but so
>> far
>
> So far as I can tell, no it isn't working. Never has for me.
>
>> this has failed to work on all types of reports.   The 2nd part is that I
>> like to attach a jpg picture of documents to the Master Source.   The
>> picture always appears twice on reports - once with the first Full
>> Citation
>> and then again with the subsequent citation (hence my question about
>> ibid).
>> Is there anyway to only have the picture appear with the first citation.
>
> Again, not so far as I can tell.  Another argument against
> putting pictures with/in/on sources, I guess.
>
>> Twice is overkill.  I have gone through and tried numerous things with
>> report options, but nothing works.   My reports printed fine with the
>> older
>> version of Legacy that I was previously using.   Any advice 

Re: [LegacyUG] Repeating Source Pictures/Documents on Reports

[Ward Walker]

Gregandlaurel,

Not receiving list e-mails is a frequent problem, due to a flaw in the
service that Milllenia uses. You need to send an e-mail to
supp...@legacyfamilytree.com and ask them to fix your partially-working
subscription.

We had a big discussion here in 2009, where some people were bemoaning the
fact that ibid had stopped working in the then latest release. Some points:
  - ibid is only useful for a citation where the master source is identical
to the one in the immediately preceding citation. The way that reports are
constructed, we have little control over the order of citations in
footnotes.
  - Legacy uses the concept of 'subsequent citations', where an abbreviated
form of the master citation is used if that master was cited anywhere above
in the list of citations.
  - If both the master and detail information in a citation are identical to
a previous citation, then Legacy should simply use the same footnote number
in the report, rather than create a new footnote. It was not clear whether
this was always working.
  - Subsequent citations get very complicated when dealing with SourceWriter
sources. Bugs were logged. I haven't checked whether any work has been done
on those issues. Many e-mails in the LUG archive.

   Ward

-Original Message-
From: singhals
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 7:01 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Cc: gregandlau...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Repeating Source Pictures/Documents on Reports

gregandlau...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi, I subscribed about a week ago, but I am not receiving any emails.   I
> see a question I posted shows on the usergroup and I was hoping someone
> could help me with it.  Here it is again:
>
> I just recently upgraded to Legacy 8 and I use the Basic System for
> sources.
> I have a 2 part issue:  firstly, does ibid not work?   Under Customize
> Legacy - Sources, Section 7.8 it says "Use ibid for repeating Master
> Sources
> (this only applies to Basic-Style sources).  I have this ticked, but so
> far

So far as I can tell, no it isn't working. Never has for me.

> this has failed to work on all types of reports.   The 2nd part is that I
> like to attach a jpg picture of documents to the Master Source.   The
> picture always appears twice on reports - once with the first Full
> Citation
> and then again with the subsequent citation (hence my question about
> ibid).
> Is there anyway to only have the picture appear with the first citation.

Again, not so far as I can tell.  Another argument against
putting pictures with/in/on sources, I guess.

> Twice is overkill.  I have gone through and tried numerous things with
> report options, but nothing works.   My reports printed fine with the
> older
> version of Legacy that I was previously using.   Any advice would be
> appreciated.   Thanks.

Cheryl




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Re: [LegacyUG] Formatting options in reports -- Are any of these possible?

[Ward Walker]

Re: German names: You can use quoted nicknames in the given name – Johannes 
Christian “Christian”

  Ward

From: Pat Hickin
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 1:59 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Formatting options in reports -- Are any of these possible?

The more I use Legacy, the more I realize what an amazingly complicated program 
it is.  I suppose I want it to be even more complicated!


Is there a way to do any of the following?


On a descendant narrative report there is a line between each event that I 
would like to get rid of.  Instead I would like a double space between events.  
(Bullet-style- formatting)

And there is also a line under picture captions that I'd like to do away with.


Also in the list of children, I'd like to have an empty line (i.e., 
double-space) between each child, but I see no way to do that.

And, I'd like an empty line (i.e., double-space) after the sentence that says 
"their children were:"


As you know, German given names for boys were often "Johannes Christian," 
"Johannes Adam," "Johannes Ludwig," etc.  Is there any way I can get Legacy to 
either use the middle name or the full given name in narratives?


When the place of marriage is not given, Legacy inserts a blank line about an 
inch or two long.  I'd like not to have that line and don't know how to get rid 
of it.  I don't remember seeing it in the past.


On individual events, the formatting options of italics, bold, etc. work fine 
in the notes field but don't affect the description, etc., fields.  Any way to 
change that?


Thanks,


Pat




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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

[Ward Walker]

Keep in mind how verbose the reports become when you put a lot of source
details into notes. I received a large file of one of my family lines, and
that researcher had mostly documented sources in the notes, including
detailed family lists from censuses. Some sources were even duplicated
further down in the same, long note. I prefer that the notes describe the
situation in concise, readable, summary language, with the sources available
as back up. Now, unfortunately, I have a mixture of styles. I suggest that
you generate a Descendant Narrative Book Report to see how your notes affect
the narrative.

   Ward

-Original Message-
From: June
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 5:34 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sources

Thanks for the swift reply Jenny. Yes I think that the majority of things
will be able to be found again. I've taken a few things from google maps
which I haven't documented, but all documents (births, deaths, marriages and
census) are noted and people should be able to find them, although I admit
that with say a census I just put the address, date, and description without
putting all the bits and pieces that are probably on the enumerators page,
and with for example a record of a birth I don't put exactly what page it is
from although I do note that it is from (for example) West Yorkshire Parish
Records, Parish of Tadcaster, Yorkshire, England 1700 - 1800.

So Thinking on what you have asked me - yes I or someone could find the
record but if I am going to do it this way then I probably need to add a
little more information such as page numbers etc.

The only thing is whether a researcher would take it seriously - I'm not
sure that I would want to change a way I am comfortable with for
researchers, although would if my children or best friend could find where I
had found the information.

Thank you Jenny, you've actually helped me to work out the pros and cons.

Kind regardsJune


-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, 3 September 2014 6:52 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources

On 03/09/2014 08:09, June wrote:
> I have been using Legacy for many years as a record for me and my
> children of our family history.
>
> I have never used sources, instead putting information into notes, or
> even adding events – for example I have an event ‘Education’ then have
> added an event ‘About Education’ where I just put notes.
>
> Given what I am using Legacy for, I am wondering if there is any point
> in adding sources and if so what is the benefit, or for what I need
> are events and notes sufficient.
>
> I do realise at the end of the day that it is going to be a personal
> choice, but I would be interesting to hear from people why I would
> benefit from putting sources.
>
> I am happy to have emails sent directly to me rather than the list if
> this is the preferred method of contact.
>

If your method is working for you and you are quite happy, why change?

But a couple of things to consider are:

1  Are you recording enough Notes to enable you to find a particular record
again if you need to do so?

2  Are you ever going to want to pass on the results of your research to
other people?  If so, are you providing enough information for them to be
able to verify your research if they wish to do so?  And will other people
take your research seriously if it is not documented in a more conventional
way?

--
Jenny M Benson




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Re: [LegacyUG] Focus Group

[Ward Walker]

Pat,

A .ged file of 2809 KB is pretty big. If that is the one that you imported, and 
the resulting .fdb appears empty, then something is really fishy. Have you 
tried looking at the .ged file with Notepad, or opening it with one of the free 
Gedcom reader programs? (I use GENViewer Lite.)

   Ward

From: Pat Hickin
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:52 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Focus Group

I forgot to say that this time I did import a .ged but it was still empty.


Pat




On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Pat Hickin  wrote:

  Ward,


  I don't think I have a newly created.ged file -- or rather the .ged I have 
only has 2809 kb.


  Pat




  On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Ward Walker  wrote:

It sounds like your focus group worked, but you forgot to Import (not Open) 
the newly created .ged file into a Legacy family file. Yet you already had an 
empty family file on your system, with the same name as the Gedcom file. You 
can import into an existing family file or a new one. (One normally tests a 
Gedcom in a new, empty family file.)

   Ward

From: Pat Hickin
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:12 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Focus Group

Cathy,


I missed it because I was looking for what I was told to look for, namely 
"View/Set Focus Group."


However, now I have another problem.


Per your instructions, at step 3, I chose "Edit Focus Group."


"The Focus Group window can be reached from several locations.

"1. From the Export window, I chose "GEDCOM File" >


"Produce  file for GEDCOM 5.5.1 Only" >

"Character Set: UTF-8">  Then I clicked

[Step 1] Record Selection,


[Step 2] I chose "Selected Records Contained in the Focus Group option, and 
then clicked


[Step 3, per Cathys's instructions] "Edit Focus Group" > which took me to 
the

"Focus Group" window which had the words


"Ancestors (Direct Line, 999 Gen., Mult. Parents) for Pauline Elizabeth 
Layman [i.e., ,my, mother's ancestors]" highlighted in blue.  I clicked >


"OK" >


  [which took me to a window entitled "GEDCOM Record Selection" I clicked 
"Close," which took me to a window entitled "GEDCOM Export" >

I clicked on a button entitled "Select File Name and Start EXPORT" >

which took me to a window called "Export GEDCOM


file."  > In the Fie Name box I typed in "LAYMAN-Pauline Elizabeth 
Ancestors 20140830.ged" and clicked "Save."

This took me back to the "GEDCOM Export" Window




plus a smaller window which said "Export Complete[:] Export of GEDCOM file 
is complete[:] Indiviuals: 758[;] Families: 344.  I clicked OK.




This took me back to the family screen of my startup family in my main 
Legacy database file (PRICKETT-LAYMAN.fdb).



I clicked "Open File." and chose
"LAYMAN-Pauline Elizabeth Ancestors 20140830.fdb" the "type" of which to my 
surprise was labeled "Legacy Genealogy Software" and was only 1468kb in size.  
However, when the file was opened, there was NO information on the Family View. 
 I clicked on View > Name List.  But there were NO names in the name list!!



So NOW what have I done wrong???



Thanks (again)!



Pat
















On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Paula Ryburn  
wrote:

  Well, this a great little thread, because it made me read all of the Help 
on Focus Groups.  We can have up to 9 Focus Groups (or Focus Group Lists).  I 
hadn't noticed the "Save" and "Load" before--perfect!   (I will say there is 
sometimes a disconnect between "View / List Focus Group" and "Edit Focus Group" 
in the Help file vs. in the windows.)


  I still have one question, though, because I think it's true but I didn't 
see it in the Help description.
  If I have a Focus Group defined with the "Add an Individual and 
Ancestors," when I add a new Individual to my database that is a new ancestor 
for the person at the "root" of my Focus Group, will that new Individual 
(ancestor) automatically be part of the Focus Group when I use it to report or 
export?
  I think the answer is yes, because I remember now thinking "this is so 
much better than tagging all my daughter's direct line ancestors and having to 
remember to tag them as I add new ones or to reset the tags before I export, 
etc."
  Thanks,
  --Paula in Texas.


--
  From: Cathy Pinner 
  To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 8:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG]

Re: [LegacyUG] Focus Group

[Ward Walker]

It sounds like your focus group worked, but you forgot to Import (not Open) the 
newly created .ged file into a Legacy family file. Yet you already had an empty 
family file on your system, with the same name as the Gedcom file. You can 
import into an existing family file or a new one. (One normally tests a Gedcom 
in a new, empty family file.)

   Ward

From: Pat Hickin
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 10:12 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Focus Group

Cathy,


I missed it because I was looking for what I was told to look for, namely 
"View/Set Focus Group."


However, now I have another problem.


Per your instructions, at step 3, I chose "Edit Focus Group."


"The Focus Group window can be reached from several locations.

"1. From the Export window, I chose "GEDCOM File" >


"Produce  file for GEDCOM 5.5.1 Only" >

"Character Set: UTF-8">  Then I clicked

[Step 1] Record Selection,


[Step 2] I chose "Selected Records Contained in the Focus Group option, and 
then clicked


[Step 3, per Cathys's instructions] "Edit Focus Group" > which took me to the

"Focus Group" window which had the words


"Ancestors (Direct Line, 999 Gen., Mult. Parents) for Pauline Elizabeth Layman 
[i.e., ,my, mother's ancestors]" highlighted in blue.  I clicked >


"OK" >


  [which took me to a window entitled "GEDCOM Record Selection" I clicked 
"Close," which took me to a window entitled "GEDCOM Export" >

I clicked on a button entitled "Select File Name and Start EXPORT" >

which took me to a window called "Export GEDCOM


file."  > In the Fie Name box I typed in "LAYMAN-Pauline Elizabeth Ancestors 
20140830.ged" and clicked "Save."

This took me back to the "GEDCOM Export" Window




plus a smaller window which said "Export Complete[:] Export of GEDCOM file is 
complete[:] Indiviuals: 758[;] Families: 344.  I clicked OK.




This took me back to the family screen of my startup family in my main Legacy 
database file (PRICKETT-LAYMAN.fdb).



I clicked "Open File." and chose
"LAYMAN-Pauline Elizabeth Ancestors 20140830.fdb" the "type" of which to my 
surprise was labeled "Legacy Genealogy Software" and was only 1468kb in size.  
However, when the file was opened, there was NO information on the Family View. 
 I clicked on View > Name List.  But there were NO names in the name list!!



So NOW what have I done wrong???



Thanks (again)!



Pat
















On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Paula Ryburn  
wrote:

  Well, this a great little thread, because it made me read all of the Help on 
Focus Groups.  We can have up to 9 Focus Groups (or Focus Group Lists).  I 
hadn't noticed the "Save" and "Load" before--perfect!   (I will say there is 
sometimes a disconnect between "View / List Focus Group" and "Edit Focus Group" 
in the Help file vs. in the windows.)


  I still have one question, though, because I think it's true but I didn't see 
it in the Help description.
  If I have a Focus Group defined with the "Add an Individual and Ancestors," 
when I add a new Individual to my database that is a new ancestor for the 
person at the "root" of my Focus Group, will that new Individual (ancestor) 
automatically be part of the Focus Group when I use it to report or export?
  I think the answer is yes, because I remember now thinking "this is so much 
better than tagging all my daughter's direct line ancestors and having to 
remember to tag them as I add new ones or to reset the tags before I export, 
etc."
  Thanks,
  --Paula in Texas.


--
  From: Cathy Pinner 
  To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 8:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Focus Group


  Pat

  The instructions aren't quite accurate.
  At step 2 where you choose the radio button for Selected Records
  Contained in the Focus Group you'll see a big button under that line
  EDIT FOCUS GROUP
  How did you miss it?

  Cathy

  Pat Hickin 
  > Saturday, 30 August 2014 8:55 AM
  > I am trying to generate a focus group that will be the basis for a
  > .gedcom doe a relative.
  >
  > In Leg 8 Help > Focus Groups, I am told
  >
  > "The /Focus Group/ window can be reached from several locations.
  >
  > "1. From the /Export/ window, click *
  > *
  >
  > *[1] Record Selection*, choose the
  >
  > [2] *Selected Records Contained in the Focus Group *option, and then
  > click *
  > *
  >
  > *[3] View / Set Focus Group*.
  >
  >
  > But after I choose step [2], I don't /_get _/the step [3] option.
  >
  >
  > Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong??
  >
  >
  > Thanks,
  >
  > Pat
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Re: [LegacyUG] Not receiving all LUG posts

[Ward Walker]

Just for the record, as the OP, my missed LUG posts were not in my junk mail 
folder, and they were not simply delayed due to routing variations. They never 
arrived. Looking just now, I see that I have not received Ron Taylor’s posts 
from yesterday or today (or on the 15th). How e-mails from one particular 
individual could routinely fail to be delivered to me by the LUG mail server, I 
do not know.

   Ward

From: Jay 1FamilyTree
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 2:18 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not receiving all LUG posts

Wendy,

I agree,

I am always surprised how much GOOD mail is getting thrown into my SPAM folder. 
 (DMARC relatedarrggg)
I just now found mail from 4 days ago that I thought the person had ignored 
me

But I wouldn't recommend using a gmail email address for Lists...

I use Gmail and its great, but the gmail based addresses do not display your 
replys or your own emails in SOME lists.
I prefer to see my own email show up in the list along with others messages.

But that is my own preference.

Jay



On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Wendy Howard  wrote:

  Since the whole DMARC thing started a while back (a new method of
  detecting spam, with various degrees of success), I've seen list mail
  end up in my spam folder at Gmail every day. It's usually the same names
  over and over again, where they're regular contributors - Ron Taylor on
  this list is one that comes to mind; someone else commented a little
  while ago they had found one of his posts there, so it's not just my
  mail box affecting delivery of his list mail.

  I always mark these emails as 'not spam', and live in hope that one day
  the system will catch up and start recognising list mail for what it is.
  I'm not holding my breath, though, I don't expect a quick fix.

  If this missing mail is not turning up in your mail box anywhere
  (including junk/spam), you could try having a conversation with your
  email provider about the missing mail. (Or you could try pulling a
  fingernail out, it might be less painful and more productive ;-)

  Or you could try subscribing with a different email address, and see if
  that improves things for you. There are plenty of free services out
  there - I recommend Gmail, of course.

  Hope this helps. :-)

  Wendy

  Ward Walker said the following on 16/06/2014 02:39:
  > Again I see responses to a post (from yesterday) that I did not
  > receive. In looking at the archive, it appears that I am receiving
  > almost all posts, but there is no pattern to the ones that I have
  > missed. One missed post was even in response to my own thread. (Yes, I
  > check my junk mail folder regularly. No, I am not aware of missed
  > e-mails from other sources.)
  > Probably not much can be done about this, given that Millennia does
  > not control the mail server. It happens from time to time. Just wanted
  > to alert people that they could also be missing posts.
  >Ward




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Re: [LegacyUG] Find Duplicates does not handle middle initials

[Ward Walker]

Ron,

Thanks for your detailed response. (I have copied, below, the text from the
archive, since I did not receive the e-mail.)

I should have double checked the options to notice that surnames must match
all characters. (I have never tried the Sounds Like option, due to negative
experiences with that in other search engines. Too many hits.)

I now see that my two Isaac Walkers would fail the match because their birth
dates are more than 180 days apart.

I still do not see why my two Hannah Walkers would fail to match. The spouse
surnames do not match, but it is still my contention that that should not be
part of the criteria. The birth dates were 1883 and 26 Feb 1883, which
should match, I think. I wonder if '1883' resolves to a specific date, like
1 Jan 1883 or 31 Dec 1883, for purposes of the matching? I'll have to do
some testing, but I think I will change the birth date match from 180 days
to 366 days.

Regarding your suggestion to find duplicates, then tweak the options and
check again: this is not an available technique during the drag & drop merge
process, where the duplicate search happens only once, and only on the
individuals being merged. Certainly I could follow up with a file-wide
duplicate search. I had been avoiding this, since I have 122 potential
duplicates to wade through and deal with. Most can immediately be marked as
not duplicates, but a few are ambiguous and require a bit of research. I
guess I had better do it.

   Ward
---

Ward,
Note that in "Normal Duplicate Search" that the Surnames are compared as
either
"Exact Spelling" or "Sounds Like".

It is the Given Names that are compared for the number of beginning
characters
and those have to match exactly...there is no "Sounds Like" for the given
names
match.

Set the "Check birth dates, Day range" to 0 for an exact match or some other
number of days that might find differences.

The more criteria you specify, the fewer results will be found.  Un-check
"blank birth dates", "birth locations", and all the other date fields so
that
only birth is being considered.

Take into account "Compatible Gender", "Ancestral File Number",
"FamilySearch
ID" if you wish but almost always un-check "User ID".

Set the "Compatible Parents" and the same parameters you used for the
individual.

Click "Continue"

Resolve any possible duplicates that are found.

Adjust the parameters to use the death date and blank the birth date.

Resolve any more possible duplicates.

Adjust the parameters to use the burial date and blank the death date.

Resolve any more possible duplicates.

You should have a fairly clean file now.  Additionally you may want to look
at
the Name List sorted by Surname and resolve any possible duplicates you see
there.

Lastly, look at the Marriage List sorted by Husband, resolve duplicates and
then sort by Wife and resolve duplicates.

Now only those really hard ones will still remain.  Others may have some
tricks
they've developed for finding additional duplicates.

Then you might want to tackle duplicate marriages, duplicate events,
duplicate
sources, duplicate pictures, etc.  It's all fun.

Ron Taylor



-Original Message-
From: Ward Walker
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 1:30 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Find Duplicates does not handle middle initials

Well, with some digging, it turns out that my example was not valid, but I
think I have some other examples that are.

In my example, the actual missing match was with Ruth Emma Cook and Ruth E.
Cooke. So the surname did not match within 5 characters.

I now spot the following duplicates in my file, which were brought in via
the drag & drop merge of the mothers line:
  - Isaac J. Walker and spouse Angelina Carmon; and Isaac John Walker and
spouse Angeline Carmon.
  - Hannah Ann Walker and spouse Joseph Farquhar; and Hannah Anna H. Walker
and spouse Joseph Farwuhar.

The two Isaacs have births one year apart. The two Hannahs have the same
birth year. They all have the same parents.`

I see no reason why the Isaac/Angelin* couples were not presented as
potential duplicates.

For the Hannah/Joseph couples, the spouse's surname does not match within 5
characters. Certainly the parents could have had two different Hannahs,
although it would be unlikely that both lived to marriage in that case, and
they do have the same birth year. (One has a month and day as well.) Is it a
requirement that the spouse must also be a potential match, for this to be
presented as a potential duplicate? I've had way more far-fetched potential
duplicates presented to me, including twins with different given names.

  Ward

-Original Message-
From: Brian/Support
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 1:41 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [Lega

[LegacyUG] Not receiving all LUG posts

[Ward Walker]

Again I see responses to a post (from yesterday) that I did not receive. In 
looking at the archive, it appears that I am receiving almost all posts, but 
there is no pattern to the ones that I have missed. One missed post was even in 
response to my own thread. (Yes, I check my junk mail folder regularly. No, I 
am not aware of missed e-mails from other sources.)

Probably not much can be done about this, given that Millennia does not control 
the mail server. It happens from time to time. Just wanted to alert people that 
they could also be missing posts.

   Ward


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Re: [LegacyUG] Find Duplicates does not handle middle initials

[Ward Walker]

Well, with some digging, it turns out that my example was not valid, but I
think I have some other examples that are.

In my example, the actual missing match was with Ruth Emma Cook and Ruth E.
Cooke. So the surname did not match within 5 characters.

I now spot the following duplicates in my file, which were brought in via
the drag & drop merge of the mothers line:
  - Isaac J. Walker and spouse Angelina Carmon; and Isaac John Walker and
spouse Angeline Carmon.
  - Hannah Ann Walker and spouse Joseph Farquhar; and Hannah Anna H. Walker
and spouse Joseph Farwuhar.

The two Isaacs have births one year apart. The two Hannahs have the same
birth year. They all have the same parents.`

I see no reason why the Isaac/Angelin* couples were not presented as
potential duplicates.

For the Hannah/Joseph couples, the spouse's surname does not match within 5
characters. Certainly the parents could have had two different Hannahs,
although it would be unlikely that both lived to marriage in that case, and
they do have the same birth year. (One has a month and day as well.) Is it a
requirement that the spouse must also be a potential match, for this to be
presented as a potential duplicate? I've had way more far-fetched potential
duplicates presented to me, including twins with different given names.

  Ward

-Original Message-
From: Brian/Support
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 1:41 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Find Duplicates does not handle middle initials

If that is the case do your Ruth E. and Ruth Emma have the same husband
in both files so they can be considered due to family relationships?

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com




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Re: [LegacyUG] Find Duplicates does not handle middle initials

[Ward Walker]

Cathy, thanks for taking the time to test this. I have been using the
default of 5, so that does not explain why I am discovering these missed
duplicates. Given your results, I will try to do a more controlled test,
myself, when I get a chance. I'm wondering if it is a quirk in the drag &
drop process, rather than in a global find-duplicates process. (I.e., I'm
dragging in descendants of an individual, where I already have some of these
descendants. The process starts with a merge of the individual, followed by
duplicate checking that is constrained to the imported descendants and
spouses.)

   Ward

-Original Message-
From: Cathy Pinner
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 8:17 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Find Duplicates does not handle middle initials

Hi Ward,

I just tried this by adding a Ruth E. and a Ruth Emma to the Sample file
in Legacy 8. I had to turn off the duplicate checking on entry at Option 2.1

With the default - check Given Names for a length of 5 - they were
presented as possible duplicates.
Increasing that to 7, they weren't presented, as expected as the names
aren't identical for 7 characters. Reduce the number to 6 and again they
are presented as possible duplicates.

So how many characters have you set as the criteria?

Cathy

> Ward Walker <mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com>
> Thursday, 12 June 2014 6:13 AM
> I am having some problems merging two family files (gradually, using
> drag and drop). Legacy is detecting most duplicate individuals for me
> to manually reconcile and merge. However, it is not bringing to my
> attention individuals such as the following: Ruth E. Cook and Ruth
> Emma Cook (same parents, same birthdate). Yet, there is no problem
> with Celia Cook and Celia Myrl Cook – they are detected as possible
> duplicates.
> I have looked at the options panel for finding duplicates and cannot
> see anything that would control this. Am I missing something, or
> should I log a request with Support?
>Ward




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[LegacyUG] Find Duplicates does not handle middle initials

[Ward Walker]

I am having some problems merging two family files (gradually, using drag and 
drop). Legacy is detecting most duplicate individuals for me to manually 
reconcile and merge. However, it is not bringing to my attention individuals 
such as the following: Ruth E. Cook and Ruth Emma Cook (same parents, same 
birthdate). Yet, there is no problem with Celia Cook and Celia Myrl Cook – they 
are detected as possible duplicates.

I have looked at the options panel for finding duplicates and cannot see 
anything that would control this. Am I missing something, or should I log a 
request with Support?

   Ward


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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy software and database on two laptops

[Ward Walker]

(Interesting -- I see two replies but not the original post.)

Denise, if you want to sometimes use one computer and sometimes the other,
and you are worried about your family file getting out of sync, there is
another option. It is like using the cloud/Dropbox, except that it does not
depend on a connection to the Internet. You can use a USB thumb drive as the
location of your active family file, and carry it between computers. Just
make sure that your backups don't go to the same drive, but rather to the
hard drive on either computer. Copies of multimedia can be on the USB drive,
as well.

   Ward

-Original Message-
From: Jenny M Benson
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 4:20 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy software and database on two laptops

On 23/05/2014 01:37, Denise wrote:
> I use Legacy software (7.4) and have my genealogy database on my Sony
> Vaio laptop.  I just bought a second laptop (Toshiba) with Microsoft 8.0
> Operating System.  I want to transfer a copy of my genealogy database to
> it, so the database resides on both my laptops.  What is the easiest way
> to try to do this?  I assume I need to purchase Legacy software for my
> second computer first.

Provided both copies are for your personal use and not both in use at
the same time I think you are ok with just one copy.

The easiest way to copy your family file over would be to backup to an
external drive or cloud storage and restore the file on the other
machine.  Bearing in mind that you will want to keep both files
concurrent, your best bet would be to store your working file in
something like Dropbox so that whichever one you work on, the other gets
updated.

--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Ahnentafel report

[Ward Walker]

It seems to me that your cousin would be interested in the details for all 
descendants of person B. Your proposed report would exclude the siblings of 
your direct line ancestors, as I understand it.

You and the cousin share a common ancestor, with you descending from one child 
of that ancestor and they descending from another. Would it not make sense to 
send one of the descendant type reports, starting with the child that you 
descend from?

And if that descendant tree fans out too much, such that your place within it 
is hard to identify, then you could send a separate report from the 
Relationship Calculator to serve as a guide/reminder.

   Ward

From: Jane Sarles
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 8:28 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ahnentafel report

Here is what I put in as a suggestion:Â

 Ahnentafel - Direct Line. While the Ahnentafel Report shows all ancestors of 
a selected person, the 'Direct Line' variation on this report shows only 
ancestors on a particular line of ascent. With that exception, all of the 
options related to the Ahnentafel report are also available for the Ahnentafel 
- Direct Line.

The direct line is the important part.  It includes similar information to an 
Ancestor report (or an ahnentafel report), but only for  the direct line from 
person a to person b.  From me to my oldest ancestor with the surname Smith, 
for example.Â

Often I have cousins that I have met through our genealogy work to whom I need 
to send my information about the family we share.  I need to have a report 
that only deals with the information that is common to us both, i.e.  a 
direct-line ahnentafel report.

Jane





On 5/19/2014 12:26 AM, Wendy Howard wrote:

Hi Jane,

I'm not sure what you're looking for in this report exactly (ie, what's
a 'true' Ahnentafel report, as opposed to other reports on offer?), but
I do know that there is an entry in the Legacy Help for "Ahnentafel
Reports" - have you seen that?

Have you tried running an Ancestor Book report?  In Legacy v8 it's under
Report > Ancestor Book.  In Legacy v7.5 it's Reports > Books/Other >
Ancestors.

You can include or exclude types of data in this report as you please.

Is this what you're looking for?  If not, what's the difference?

Kind Regards,
Wendy

Jane Sarles said the following on 19/05/2014 15:59:
I have tried various work-arounds, but would really like something that
is not as labor/proficiency required.  Like a report titled,
"Ahnentafel".  I am very easily confused and have some trouble with the
various options of tagging and exporting.

   I will make the suggestion, but i think I have done that before.

Jane

On 5/18/2014 8:04 PM, Cathy Pinner wrote:
Hi Jane,
I was about to ask what exactly you meant and whether you'd found the
Relationship Report.

Sending in a suggestion is a good idea.

In the meantime you could tag and export the people you want in the
report and use the Ancestor Book report OR if that's not picking up all
the details you want of the family members you want added, use one of
the Descendant reports.

Cathy
Sherry/Support mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com
Monday, 19 May 2014 5:05 AM
Send in a suggestion on the Suggestion form in Legacy on the Legacy
Home tab or on the website I'll add it to the list for the
programmers to consider


Sincerely,
Sherry
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Re: [LegacyUG] Two files

[Ward Walker]

Ann, I think you are right to be concerned about the name difference. When
you merge, the automatic detection of duplicates will not catch true
duplicates if the names are different beyond the first few characters
(settable). I don't know if AKA names will trigger a suspected duplicate.
That would help, if the AKAs are all set properly. Otherwise, since you will
inevitably have to choose which name you want to be the main name for each
individual, after all the merging is done, you might as well set these names
before the merge. You could do so in either the incoming or the target file,
as long as you enable the merge to discover candidate duplicates for you to
process one by one.

   Ward

-Original Message-
From: Cathy Pinner
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 9:10 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Two files

Yes that's right.

You only use Gedcoms to transfer to an earlier
version of Legacy or another program or website, like Ancestry.

Cathy

At 06:18 PM 28/04/2014, you wrote:
>Dear Cathy
>
>Thank you for your response and its clarity.
>
>I assume he would import as a Legacy file and not a gedcom?
>
>With thanks
>
>Anne
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Cathy Pinner
>Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 6:56 PM
>To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Two files
>
>Hi Anne,
>
>Let me see if I understand what he is wanting to do.
>
>He has 3 files.
>
>1) His original file
>
>2) The file of his new contact
>
>3) The new file he created to make sense of the new data.
>
>He is now wanting to combine 1 & 3 as 1 has other lines as well?
>
>So the answer is to import 3 into 1 and then do a
>merge of the people who are the same.
>
>Depending on the new file, it may be easier to
>delete the branch from the original file (File 1)
>and import File 3 to take the place of that
>branch. Once imported the links can be made
>between the people in the two files and any
>remaining duplicates merged. If there are a lot
>of duplicate people and he wants to replace the
>originals with the ones from File 3 then that
>would be the simplest way. However if he wants
>some information from the person in File 1 and
>some from the same person in File 3 then you have
>to use the merge dialogue and choose which bits of each you want.
>
>The main thing is to do a backup of each file
>before you start - and make sure you can restore
>them (remember to give the file a new name so it
>doesn't overwrite the original file). Then it
>doesn't matter what happens with the importing
>and merging as you can start again. There's
>nothing like doing a merge to learn how best to do it.
>
>One trick is to make sure to use the option on
>importing a file to start the RINs at a much
>higher number than the RINs in the original file.
>Then during the merge you can easily tell who
>comes from which file. It also helps you decide
>whether the pair presented are the same person
>and need to be merged. If they come from the same
>file, they probably are not duplicates and can be skipped.
>
>Once you've finished the import and merge you can
>use the Tools Renumber RINs to get rid of gaps in the RINs.
>
>I'm not sure what your concern is re the merge.
>You can choose which information you keep and
>with the main name you can choose to make the
>variant an AKA and with vital event dates that
>are different you can choose to keep both by
>choosing to make one an Alt. Event eg Alt.
>Birth.  A little square is next to the field name
>for names, dates and locations. Clicking on it
>gives you options of what to do with the data
>that hasn't been chosen with the radio button.
>
>The merge shouldn't lose data. There is a problem
>I think with merging identical individual special
>events in that the sources are not necessary
>merged. In the situation you are describing, that
>probably is not going to be an issue.
>
>As I said, the best way to find out what can be
>done is to do it. If you have proper backups, you
>can always abandon what you've done and start again.
>
>Cathy
>
>At 02:58 PM 28/04/2014, you wrote:
> >Hello
> >
> >I am attempting to assist a friend who has
> >Legacy. I am not at all conversant with Merging,
> >single instances only, or importing a file either gedcom or legacy
> >database.
> >
> >Recently he was contacted by someone who is of
> >the same tree as him with European roots.
> >
> >On looking at his tree and theirs and the large
> >numbers of surname variants, some of which he
> >had no record of and he therefore decided to start a new database.
> >
> >There were several cases of same surnames
> >marrying with a few years of each other and
> >varying other issues dates etc. which again led
> >him to believe he needed to begin
> >again with a separate tree to assist him to sort them all out.
> >
> >Having now finished this (and finding out he had
> >connected his own line to one of the many same
> >name marriages) he now has a correct tree in
> the “newâÃ

Re: [LegacyUG] Potential Problem - Unrecognized Event Date

[Ward Walker]

I try to word everything so that it makes sense both now and at any point in 
the future (e.g., 10 years from now). The word ‘present’ would be completely 
ambiguous. I would try to get the event to read nicely while leaving the end 
date out. You might have to use the notes field instead of the date field. In 
notes, you can say things like ‘she started in 1980 and was still in that 
position as of Apr 2014’.

  Ward

From: Howlanddavisii
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 3:40 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Potential Problem - Unrecognized Event Date

 In trying to clean up my Potential Problems, my sister has an unrecognized 
event date.  I am trying to say that she worked at her present position from 
"1980 - present."  If I want to say that, how do I do so?  Should I not have 
spaces around the dash (similar to actual dates), do I leave "present" out or 
do I just say that's what I want and exclude it?

Howland Davis


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Re: [LegacyUG] Location merging

[Ward Walker]

Is there something about FTM that encouraged users to create this mess of
locations? Every FTM-based GEDCOM that I have received has had exactly the
same problem. And usually from otherwise very competent, diligent
researchers. (I just laboriously used the Combine function on a temporary
data file before merging into my main file.)

  Ward

-Original Message-
From: magnoliasouth
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 2:09 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Location merging

I have a horrible list of locations. I understand how to combine
locations, but that's not working for me. It involves way too much
scrolling up and down and all around. Also, the "find" at the top
isn't finding anything. It only looks for the first word which doesn't
help me.

What I need to do is do a search for one word and get a list of all
locations that have that word in its various forms. For example:

Let's say I want to search for Sumter.

I want to get all of the results like this:

Georgia, Sumter
Georgia, Sumter County
Georgia, Sumter Co.
GA, Sumter
GA, Sumter County
USA, GA, Sumter
USA, GA Sumter County
USA, Ga. Sumter County
United States, Georgia, Sumter
Sumter

You see the problem and I use this one because it's my worst
nightmare. Sumter is all over the place and some location entries
don't even have anything else in them.

Now as you can see, when I have 300 locations and they're sorted they
are at the top the middle the end and so on. Scrolling take WAY too
long and that's just not an option. I'd rather not bother if I have to
do it that way.

How can I fix this? Please, tell me there is an easy way?

Many thanks. :)




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Re: [LegacyUG] Transfer Source Images

[Ward Walker]

What version of Legacy? I’m guessing 7.5. (Note my recent e-mail.) When you say 
the link is missing, do you mean that there is no indication of a picture/media 
file for the source, or that it is there with caption and filename, just not 
linked to the associated image/document file? If the former, open the GEDCOM 
file in Notepad and see if the links are in there. At the end of the GEDCOM 
file should be a bunch of object (OBJE) links with File names for the 
image/document files. If the links are not in the GEDCOM, then you know that 
you need to do something different in your export from FTM.

Here is an example:
0 @M3839@ OBJE
1 FILE C:\Users\barb\Documents\Family Tree Maker\Ward-Vale Family Tree 
Media\1930 United States Federal Census-400.jpg
2 TITL 1930 United States Federal Census
2 TEXT Year: 1930; Census Place: Brush, Morgan, Colorado; Roll: 246; Page:
3 CONC 3B; Enumeration District: 17; Image: 475.0.

   Ward

From: Rick Koelz
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 12:59 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Transfer Source Images

I am trying to move my database from FTM to Legacy. The links for images 
attached to an individual have transferred fine but links for images attached 
to sources don't seem to have transferred.
Any insight or help would be appreciated.
Thanks


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Re: [LegacyUG] importing from Ancestry

[Ward Walker]

Last year I received a large FTM-generated GEDCOM with multimedia links, and a 
DVD with all the photos and documents. The GEDCOM says “Family Tree Maker 
(21.0.0.723)”. When I imported the GEDCOM into Legacy 7.5, I was able to 
successfully link the media files. There was one problem, however. The FTM 
export encodes the preferred picture for an individual in a different way than 
Legacy does. The Legacy import did not handle this (presumably non-standard) 
encoding well, causing each individual to have an extra (unlinked) mystery 
picture as the preferred picture. Thus, nothing was displayed in Family View, 
but the media gallery for the individual showed all of the linked 
pictures/documents. I had to delete the mystery picture and manually select the 
preferred picture.

I reported the issue to Millennia. Recently, I had the opportunity to try the 
same GEDCOM with Legacy 8. Unfortunately, this time none of the pictures were 
linked at all. In fact, the references to the media all had missing filenames!  
I have only recently reported this. There is no workaround/repair possible, 
other than manually linking every file.

With Legacy 7.5, I had a few other import issues not related to media, but 
caused by non-standard GEDCOM and/or non-standard FTM practices. These are 
essentially fixed in Legacy 8, with some minor cosmetic glitches still 
remaining. And when I say ‘fixed’, I mean that Legacy programmers have kindly 
implemented special handling to work around bad FTM export coding. I appreciate 
this effort.

One big headache that is out of Legacy’s control is that every FTM-generated 
GEDCOM that I have received contains bad practices: non-dates in date fields, 
non-locations in location fields, multiple variants of the same location, 
middle initials missing the period, events that don’t read properly, etc.

   Ward
From: William Boswell
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2014 9:56 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] importing from Ancestry

The owner of the online tree only has the options of downloading to FTM or a 
GEDCOM file.  The GEDCOM you can download directly from within your tree.  If 
you want all the images, you'll have to purchase a copy of FTM for that.  Once 
the images are saved locally to your hard drive you should be able to export to 
a GEDCOM and save the image paths.  I know this works from Legacy to FTM 
because I do it all the time, but from FTM to Legacy I'm not sure.  I'll have 
to try it sometime.  I only use FTM to find records at Ancestry because Legacy 
is a better program.



Bill Boswell



From: Ann Brown [mailto:cookiebrow...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 10:53 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] importing from Ancestry



thank you both for that information.  I was just about to download all that 
info.  Yuck...  I wish I could use this program



On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Ron Bernier  wrote:

Ann,



Other than Family Tree Maker (owned by Ancestry.com) you wont find a program 
that can accept a download from Ancestry.  Regardless of which program you use, 
you will only be able to import a GEDCOM from Ancestry.



Ron Bernier
Woonsocket, RI

On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Ann Brown  wrote:

Good Morning everyone,

I am brand new to Legacy, having just downloaded the free version to practice 
with.  I have been using RootsMagic for 10 years.  I want to import my Ancestry 
tree to my computer with the photos and copies of the documents that I have 
attached to my people.  Is that possible with Legacy?  I have read most of the 
info but nothing is mentioned about Ancestry ...just FamilyTree and 
familysearch.



Can someone give some advice.  I am in the market for a product that will do 
this and since Legacy is #1 I would hope it would do this.

I have also thought about another product as well.



Thanking you in advance.



   Ann Brown




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Re: [LegacyUG] Restoring picture links

[Ward Walker]

Unlink all media is a scary function. I am terrified of accidentally clicking 
on it. I sure hope that it presents at least two “are you sure” warnings.

   Ward

From: R G Strong-genes
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 1:02 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Restoring picture links

Morris,
All the media file backup will do is restore the media to their original 
location it will not restore the links in the family file. The easiest way 
would be to save your current file with a different name or save it as a copy 
with a different name and then restore your family file from the backup that 
has the links. After it has been restored to the point before you deleted the 
links go to the copy of your family file then search for those individuals that 
you changed: search for individual> what to look for” change date equal to a 
date after the point of your last backup then tag the search list. You can then 
export all the tagged individuals to a new file or import only the tagged 
individuals into your current file.

From: M Sonnier
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 12:50 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Restoring picture links

I have a backup of the Family file from Last night and prior.  I have put so 
much information since, it may be better to manually relink the pics.


Can I back the file now.  Then take the last backed up media file and change 
the name to match the data file.  Then restore.  Would it accept or reject the 
media file?


Morris
On Thursday, April 3, 2014 10:41 AM, Sherry/Support 
 wrote:

Morris,

The pictures are still where they were. The links in the Family File
have been removed.

Do you have a backup of the Family File? That's what you'd need to restore.

Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 6:32 AM, M Sonnier  wrote:
> Mistakenly unattached all of my pictures.  Meant to unlink unreferenced
> Media Folders.  Instead of clicking Proceed, I clicked on Unlink all media
> files.
>
> I am using version 7.5.0.278.  Is there a way to restore the links from a
> previous media backup.  I could restore everything, but that would overwrite
> the data I have input over the last 3 hours.  I know I should have backed up
> the file before this procedure, but that option is too late.
>
> Morris


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Re: [LegacyUG] Issue with text copied from Onenote 2013 to Legacy

[Ward Walker]

Re: “Hopefully the folks at Legacy can fix this.” and similar statements in 
previous posts:

In my experience, Legacy Support seldom takes the initiative to log a defect or 
enhancement request as a result of following a LUG thread. It is always safer 
if you send a specific request directly to Support. Then it will be logged in 
their system and tracked.

  Ward

From: Ron Bernier
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 12:55 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Issue with text copied from Onenote 2013 to Legacy

Bob,

Thank you, but unfortunately changing the word processor and text editor made 
no change.  The Onenote text still pastes into Legacy as an image.  Hopefully 
the folks at Legacy can fix this.  In the meantime, I will continue the extra 
step of pasting the text to MS Word first and then copy from MS Word and paste 
into Legacy.


On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Bob Austen  wrote:

  Hi Ron,

  Legacy does have an option (11.2) to change the word processor and/or text 
editor.  The word processor can be changed to MS Word.  I’m not sure what 
difference this makes for this situation.

  The browser you are using can make a difference when copying/pasting to 
Legacy notes.  I use Firefox and the text copies fine right to Legacy notes 
(and other applications) but does not contain some formatting and HTML codes 
(that you might want  if you were wanting to copy to other applications).

  Firefox also allows you to click/drag to highlight portions of the page/text. 
 If you are working with Ancestry’s census pages and go to ‘View others on 
page’ (and in the Index on the census image page) you can select a particular 
section with the use of the Ctrl key.   Hold down the Ctrl key, click/hold on 
the first name, drag to the last row/column of interest, and you have 
highlighted only the section you wish to copy.  You can select/deselect 
individual ‘cells’ by pressing the Ctrl key and clicking on the ‘cell’.  Once 
highlighted you can copy and paste directly to Legacy notes.

  Bob A


Ron Bernier
Woonsocket, RI




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Re: [LegacyUG] Endnotes

[Ward Walker]

My experience, in a development shop where the product has hundreds of open 
defect reports, each defect is assigned both a Severity and a Priority.  The 
Severity is the impact on the customer(s).  The Priority is based partly on 
that, and partly on other factors, which might include the difficulty to 
implement, the relationship with planned future changes, the age of the defect, 
etc.  Not everything can be fixed, so a ranking has to be assigned. A highest 
Severity bug might involve a crash, but it rarely happens so the priority is 
not so high. A lowest severity bug might be cosmetic only, but it is driving 
everyone crazy or the programmer happens to know exactly how to fix it quickly, 
so the priority is not so low.

   Ward

From: Alex MacPhee
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2014 9:10 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Endnotes


I'm sure we can agree to disagree. But at the risk of causing an outbreak of 
chuckling with you, I am a former IT professional, with a lot of experience, 
and I led several of the teams developing the largest non-defence computer 
project in Europe in the field of telecommunications. The programmers may "work 
for the developer", but the developer has nothing to develop without customers 
who pay, unless that is it is a mere hobby. The real priorities here are 
business priorities.  There is absolutely no point in assigning a high priority 
to fixing a trivial fault when there's a major problem that risks driving the 
customer to another product. It may be a cliche, but don't re-arrange the 
deckchairs on the Titanic.

Without customers, the developer has nothing but time on his hands. When the 
customers move to another product because the competition is addressing the 
customer's priorities and not the programmer's, the programmer will have plenty 
of time to assign a high priority to twiddling his thumbs because the revenue 
stream is drying up.


Alex








From: ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 08:33:36 -0500
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Endnotes
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com


Sorry,

We will have to agree to disagree.  The programmers work for the developer.  
The customer purchases a license to use the program.  If the customer has an 
issues, they can contact the developer/software owner.  The customer absolutely 
does not contact the programmer nor does the customer have the right or 
knowledge to dictate to the programmer what priorities should be set.  I always 
chuckle when someone contacts this list and says I am a former programmer or I 
am an IT professional therefore I know what the best business model is for a 
company I have never worked for.

There are many many users on this list that barely know how to turn a computer 
on (no insults intended to anyone).  How can those same people possibly know 
what priorities should be set for correcting perceived issues which in many 
cases is not an issue, but user misunderstanding.

As I said, we will have to agree to disagree - setting priorities belongs with 
the programmers - not the users.


On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Alex MacPhee  wrote:

  In the real and commercial world, not the land of La La, it's the customers 
who pay the programmers, not the programmers who pay the customers.  The 
function of a program suite is to solve a problem that the customer has, not a 
problem the programmer has, and it's the customer's priorities therefore that 
count. There is a maxim well understood in the commercial world, that if you 
don't listen to your customers, somebody else will.

  Alex






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Re: [LegacyUG] Proper use of Address, Place, and Description

[Ward Walker]

I don't see the problem, if you put "in the Lutheran Church" in the
Description field and then use the 4-part location for Clayton, then the
standard Baptism event sentence works just as you want.

Address and Location are entirely different things. You don't use Address
within a Location. If you did create a 5-part location (and you can, as Ron
points out), by putting Lutheran Church in the left-most part, then your
event still would not read well.

As an aside, since this also wouldn't be helpful for event sentences, some
people do create special locations that have an address or cemetery name or
church name embedded in the city name part of the location. For example, I
have the following separate locations:
Spokane, Spokane, Washington, USA
Spokane - Fairmount Cemetery, Spokane, Washington, USA
Spokane - Sacred Heart Hospital, Spokane, Washington, USA

For me, this works better than adding the cemetery or hospital name as a 5th
field of the location. It sorts well in the master location list. If you do
use more than 4 location fields, consider changing the direction of sort to
'right to left' in the master location list.

  Ward

-Original Message-
From: David Bryant
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 4:49 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Proper use of Address, Place, and Description

I have a sentence I want to use in Legacy 8:
"She was baptized in the Lutheran Church on 28 Apr 1907 in Clayton, Stevens
County, Washington, USA"
Question(s):

1) Where should I put "Lutheran Church". I have tried both Description and
Address. Description is the only choice that works.
2) I assume that the "Place" information is limited to 4 locations. i.e.
City, County, State, and Country.
3) How in the world do you use the "Address" variable in sentences, since
the Legacy sentence options do not consider "Address" as one of the 4
location variables. Do I use something like "< at [Address]>" and place it
everywhere I reference the Legacy "Place" sentence variable?
Finally . any comments on the proper way to include 5 variables in
Legacy's 4 variable sentence structures would be appreciated.
David in Mesa, Arizona




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Re: [LegacyUG] How to get FTM media files to export to Legacy8

[Ward Walker]

My understanding of GEDCOM is that it is one big text file, only. There is no 
concept of including image files ‘inside’ a GEDCOM. However, the GEDCOM should 
contain links (filenames) to media files. When I received an FTM-created GEDCOM 
from another researcher, she sent me the media files in the mail on a DVD. 
After importing the GEDCOM into Legacy 7 and placing the image files where I 
usually put my media files, the links successfully found the files.

   Ward

From: Diane Marcotte
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 6:13 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] How to get FTM media files to export to Legacy8

The files didn’t transfer at all.  To make a Gedcom file in FTM I have to 
choose GEDCOM 5.5 (standard) and you’ll see from the image below that the 
option to include media files is greyed out.  So I need a workaround of some 
kind???



Thanks! Diane

[image removed]



From: Kurt Kneeland [mailto:kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: January-08-14 5:44 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] How to get FTM media files to export to Legacy8



Is Legacy not finding the media files or did it not receive any media file 
links?



If the file links didn’t transfer at all, you need to back to your FTM and 
check your export options and try again.



As long as the file names came across (paths are missing or incorrect somehow) 
and you don’t have duplicate copies (files of the same names) on the same 
drive, Media Relinker will search the drive, find the files and relink them 
probably in about 5 minutes or less.  If you have duplicate file names, then 
relinker will identify those and ask you to choose.





From: William Boswell [mailto:whbosw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 4:22 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] How to get FTM media files to export to Legacy8



I was in the same predicament back in 2009 when I exported from FTM then 
imported the GEDCOM into Legacy 7.  All of the media files had to be manually 
re-linked in Legacy.



Maybe somebody knows a faster way of doing it in Legacy 8.  The new Media 
Relinker might be the solution only I've never tried it.



Bill Boswell



From: Diane Marcotte [mailto:dianemarco...@bell.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 5:03 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] How to get FTM media files to export to Legacy8



Hello,



I just bought Legacy 8 and have found that my media files have not come across 
with the Gedcom file I made in FTM.  Can someone explain how I can get the 
media files – I have over 2300 of them!



Many thanks!!

Diane



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Re: [LegacyUG] Not Receiving Mailing List Messages - Suggested Workaround

[Ward Walker]

I also agree with Robin. However, I am a big fan of temporary workarounds, as 
people here might have noticed. Why can’t Legacy place a notice on the 
instruction page that subscribers receive, just like they already do when 
warning people that the URL link might be broken into two parts? Such a notice 
would say to contact Support if LUG e-mails do not start flowing within a day 
or so, and would mention the list archive as a means of checking.

  Ward

From: Sharon Bolte
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 2:26 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Receiving Mailing List Messages - Have you Checked 
your Junk File

Robin, you're absolutely right ... hire someone who can fix the problem.



From: Robin Watson 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Receiving Mailing List Messages - Have you Checked 
your Junk File


It may be a mailing list completely separate to Legacy, but it must surely 
create extra work for the support staff, and also very frustrating for those 
that want to join, and don't receive any emails, or in fact don't get any 
response at all on joining.

Shouldn't it be something that Legacy wants to fix, and create satisfied users 
of Legacy.

If the responsibility of the mailing list has been contracted out, shouldn't 
Legacy request that the contractor fix the problem, or else they should fire 
the contractor and  contract it out to another who will ensure this doesn't 
happen.

I don't believe that it cannot be fixed.  Most things like this are fixable.  
How many other similar lists have this problem?  I belong to a few, and 
haven't had any problems with them.

It doesn't look good for Legacy public relations, or aren't they worried about 
that?

Maybe they don't want too many joining the list???


Robin



On 1/01/2014 3:50 p.m., Kathy Thompson wrote:

  oh all right **grin** - but still - it's not something that Legacy can deal 
with themselves obviously otherwise they would have dealt with it by now




  On 1 January 2014 10:33, CE WOOD  wrote:

Not at all similar; your mother wasn't the one who hired the "rainer".Â


CE
Â



Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 09:45:00 +1000
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Receiving Mailing List Messages - Have you 
Checked your Junk File
From: kmthoms...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com



Helen,

This isn't a Legacy "big" and there is nothing that Legacy can do to fix it.

By my understanding, the "bug" is with the mailing list program which is a 
completely seperate program to Legacy.

Legacy support staff know how to get subscribers manually subscribed when 
they have issues with the automated process, but can't do anything more.

Let's not blame Legacy for this issue - that would be like blaming your 
mother for wet grass every time it rained.


Cheers




On 1 January 2014 07:49,  wrote:

  Sounds easy, doesn't it! Not quite. How is a new user to know to e-mail
  Support, even if he can find the address, unless he reads your message 
first?
  I trusted Legacy, I trusted then to know what they were doing. That's why 
I
  clicked on the link daily for a week, waiting for messages to appear, 
never
  expecting another 'bug".

  Helen




  On 31-Dec-13 3:51 PM, Ron Bernier wrote:

Kay,
The solution is very simple and has been mentioned on this list over 
and over again.  If you have subscribed to the list but are not receiving 
email, all you have to do is send an email to support and request that they 
subscribe you manually.  There is no need to get upset about it.

Copy of email sent directly to Kay.

Ron Bernier
Sent from my iPad



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Re: [LegacyUG] Not Receiving Mailing List Messages - avoid unsubscribing for vacations

[Ward Walker]

Kay, circe,

There is another solution: don’t unsubscribe. Just prior to your trip, go to 
the webmail page for your e-mail provider and set up a filter. Filter all 
e-mail with [LegacyUG] in the subject line to either a folder or the trash. 
When you return, undo the filter. If you used a folder, you can do a quick scan 
of the LUG e-mails before deleting them.

  Ward

From: Ron Bernier
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:51 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Cc: kayhawo...@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Receiving Mailing List Messages - Have you Checked 
your Junk File

Kay,
The solution is very simple and has been mentioned on this list over and over 
again.  If you have subscribed to the list but are not receiving email, all you 
have to do is send an email to support and request that they subscribe you 
manually.  There is no need to get upset about it.

Copy of email sent directly to Kay.

Ron Bernier
Sent from my iPad

On Dec 31, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Kay Fordham  wrote:


  David, thanks. I can view messages posted to the archive but have no way of 
replying without creating a new message. I use Outlook Express and get 
notifications when something goes into my junk mail folder. The folder is also 
visible on my email page with the number of unread messages. This anomaly 
happens every time I unsubscribe for a time period. I do not want messages 
piling up when I’m gone for a month. But then, the same old problem – subscribe 
but receive no messages. This happens to others as well. Can Support please fix 
this for me?

  Thanks,
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Re: [LegacyUG] With Legacy: Carbonite, Dropbox, SkyDrive, Mozy, etc.?

[Ward Walker]

Re: [LegacyUG] With Legacy: Carbonite, Dropbox, SkyDrive, Mozy, etc.?Syble,

After you have double-checked your Carbonite settings for what to back up and 
how often, I would take this up with Carbonite support. It doesn’t sound like 
anything to do with Legacy. I am not seeing this behavior with Carbonite.

   Ward

From: Syble Glasscock
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 8:13 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] With Legacy: Carbonite, Dropbox, SkyDrive, Mozy, etc.?

I just now checked, I still have the old Legacy 7.5, I've only transferred one 
family file to v8.  As you probably know in v7, to find our backups we go to 
Computer>C drive (in my case)>Legacy>Data  I see 14 Legacy family file backups 
that are NOT backed up,  each have the little orange dot by it, I have numerous 
one that are with the green dot.  I have 5 different family Legacy files, and I 
try to keep at least 2 backups of each family file.   I have the same situation 
in my Pictures folder, numerous are not backed up scattered throughout the 
folders.  Some of these not backed up are several months old.


I use Avast antivirus.

Thanks for your reply.

Syble



On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:46 PM, David Cripps  
wrote:

  Hello Syble,

  Wednesday, December 18, 2013, 10:36:13 PM, you wrote:


   I've used Carbonite for 2-3 years, but I plan to change at renewal time. 
 It only backs up data, I tried using Dropbox with it, but had lots of 
problems, so stopped Dropbox.  I'm using Windows 7, and using high speed 
internet, DSL is not available, which may contribute to the problem.  I have  
about 285GB of data,  lots of folders within folders, and I've notice 
especially in the last year that when I go to a folder that I haven't been to 
in a while and there will be items that are not backed up and some have been 
there for months.  I also noticed that some of my Legacy backups have not been 
backed up by Carbonite.
Syble





  I've been loitering on this topic for a while now, and have been interested 
in the opinions of others.

  You're correct Syble, because like you having a slower speed connection can 
be a road block; I do have DSL, but the speed fluctuates a bit especially when 
it pours with rain for a few days and the street telecommunication boxes fill 
up with water.

  I've done some reading on Dropbox and Goodsync, and can confirm it will 
handle Dropbox, although I haven't tried it.

  I won't say I'm over-joyed using Goodsync to backup Legacy as it does have 
some drawbacks that I'm finding a real pain.
  The program will sit idle in the background and look for file changes within 
the Legacy datafile folder; In my case C:\legacy8\Data  & when it sees a change 
it will carry out a an Analysis  followed by a Sync to where ever you like, in 
my case Google Drive.
  Now the trigger to make this happen can be (I'm told by Siber tech support) a 
file size change and/or a file date change.

  For a while now I've watched Syncs occur when I know all along the datafile 
hasn't changed, as I'd only been trolling backwards and forwards through family 
lines etc, like we all do.  What has been happening is that when you access 
Legacy and make no changes the file size obviously doesn't change, but the file 
date and time stamp certainly does, and this is causing unnecessary Syncs.  An 
expensive proposition when you're paying for the DSL connection !  This isn't a 
problem with media files, as they're unlikely to change.

  So I thought I'd throw this out into the ether to hear opinions.

  I've asked Tech support at Siber Systems if I can only choose "Analysis on 
File size only" and the answer was "no".

  Sorry to keep the topic going, especially on a non-Legacy type software 
question, but backups are so important to me when using Legacy that in my 
opinion it must occur automatically and be in the background to be effective.

  Yes I have looked at Carbonite, but I'd rather pay to register a piece of 
software than pay $60 or $100 every year, but that's only my own thoughts.


  Cheers
  Dave Cripps in Tasmania





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Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Verify your subscription to LegacyUserGroup mailing list

[Ward Walker]

Stephanie,

Who to ask is Legacy Technical Support (supp...@legacyfamilytree.com). You 
might have seen this topic on your working account, as it came up 3 days ago 
and many, many times in the past.

I wish that Legacy would add instructions about this frequent problem to the 
verification e-mail, where they already have a message about the broken link.

  Ward

From: Stephanie Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:56 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Re: Verify your subscription to LegacyUserGroup mailing list

Hello.  I am not sure who to ask, and figured I would see if this goes through. 
 I have another email address that is a part of this user group that is working 
just fine, but I wanted to switch to this account since this is the one I will 
use for all my genealogy stuff.  I have subscribed to the list twice now with 
this email address, and received the verification email.  I click the link in 
the email and it says I am subscribed.  But I have yet to received any of the 
emails through this account yet.  Thoughts?

Thank you,
Stephanie




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  You have requested a subscription to the LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com 
mailing list.

  To be added to the list you must click the following link to verify your 
subscription:

  
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  If the link above is broken into more than one line then please copy each 
line to your browser's address bar.  Make sure there are no spaces and then 
press the Enter Key to open the link.

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Re: [LegacyUG] No emails

[Ward Walker]

It has been a problem for years. I suspect it happens to people who had been 
subscribed before and are trying to re-subscribe. You end up in this 
half-subscribed state that only Support can fix.

My recommendation is that when you go on vacation or otherwise do not want list 
e-mails in your webmail or mobile device Inbox, do not unsubscribe. Rather, set 
up a mail filter on your webmail server and filter these messages either into a 
folder on the server or into trash. If you do want to read them, you have to go 
look in that folder.

If you are lucky, you won’t happen to be travelling right when a major new 
Legacy release is announced! (Like I was.)

   Ward

From: Robin Watson
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 1:02 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No emails

No. probably not.
Â
I had the same problem.  My emails were being received on the list, but I 
didn't receive any emails back from the list.  Contact 
supp...@legacyfamilytree.com
and ask them to reset your account.

This seems to have been a problem for some years.  Must be a bug in the system 
which Lecacy can't fix.






On 9/12/2013 6:46 a.m., C.G. Ouimet wrote:

  Looks like you’re on to me …

  Â

  Â

  C.G. Ouimet

  Kingston ON

  Â

  From: Pat Jones [mailto:kinhunte...@gmail.com]
  Sent: December 08, 2013 12:43 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: [LegacyUG] No emails

  Â

  I'm using Windows 8.1 which may be the problem, but -

  Â

  I subscribed and confirmed the subscription yesterday and was expecting a 
flood of emails this morning but nothing was received.  I know I had lots of 
trouble both subscribing and unsubscribing before for whatever reason but since 
Legacy has upgraded thought I would probably benefit from the expertise of the 
mailing list and wanted to join. Â

  Â

  Anyone else having a problem getting ON the list?

  Â



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Re: [LegacyUG] Shared events

[Ward Walker]

OK. Now I see. Both Leonard and Kristry were correct. The export uses custom 
tags that Legacy, RM, and perhaps future products can use to intelligently 
import Shared Events. All other target systems that only import standard GEDCOM 
tags would ignore these custom tags and thus only associate the event with one 
individual.

Now, back to the earlier question. Is it reasonable to expect Legacy to also 
implement an export option that serves as a workaround for all these other 
target systems? Such a workaround would avoid custom tags and would copy the 
event to the other individuals, but it would also have to somehow add an 
indication of the role, in order to avoid confusion.

A related question (I hesitate to ask): What happens now if you link a Legacy 
individual involved in a shared event with an individual in FamilySearch Family 
Tree?

   Ward

P.S.: Jay, does your event Note (Listed as Head of H.) show up for each person 
in the share? I think someone commented a while back about a need for a role 
for the primary individual. Is this an example?

From: Jay 1FamilyTree
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 2:40 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared events

Leonard is correct.

The event share is exported in the Gedcom as part of the primary person.

The problem is that no other pieces of software other than RootsMagic and 
Legacy, know how to handle the data in the Gedcom when importing that data.
Just because the data is in gedcom format, doesnt mean the software KNOWS what 
to do with it.

A snippet of a gedcom might look like this

0 @I793@ INDI
1 NAME Martin Albert /Peters/
2 GIVN Martin Albert
2 SURN Peters
1 SEX M
1 BIRT
2 DATE 9 Sep 1878
2 PLAC Appleton, Outagamie, Wisconsin, USA
1 DEAT
2 DATE 2 Aug 1960
2 PLAC Portland, Multnomah, Oregon, USA

1 EVEN

2 TYPE 1920 Census
2 DATE 1920
2 PLAC Portland, Multnomah, Oregon, USA
2 NOTE Listed as Head of Household age 42.
2 _SHAR @I908@
3 ROLE son
2 _SHAR @I909@
3 ROLE daughter
2 _SHAR @I697@
3 ROLE wife
2 _SHAR @I907@
3 ROLE son

1 OCCU Unknown
2 DATE Bef 2 Aug 1960
1 CHAN
2 DATE 6 Dec 2013
3 TIME 11:09
1 FAMS @F345@
1 NOTE @NI793@


So within the events for Martin, it lists the persons that event is shared with 
and their role.
The gedcom does not list the event within the events of each of the shared 
persons.

Hope that helps clear things up.

Jay


On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Ward Walker  wrote:

  Interesting. So what is the difference between Leonard’s observations and 
what Kristy reported yesterday morning? They seem contradictory.

Ward

  From: Leonard Johnson
  Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 11:24 AM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared events

  Ron, Cheryl et al,

  I have used Shared Events often.  Ron you wrote ".for those who export 
their database via GEDCOM is that the shared event exports as a single event 
for the primary participant only.  It does not export for those sharing the 
event."  You are correct in that it exports for the "primary participant" 
however it also exports for all others that share the same event.  I have 
checked this out for shared events, the GEDCOM contains not only the primary 
participant it even contains the events that are shared by others.

  Have a nice day,


  Leonard Johnson-Källbom


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Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]

[Ward Walker]

Jay, I have reread this several times and cannot understand what point you are 
making.

1.  To clarify, I have not exported any data to any online software. My point 
was simply that it makes no difference whether my newly-found cousin maintains 
their tree online or on their computer. If they want to add my branch of the 
family, I need to create a GEDCOM export.

2.  I hope it is clear to all that when Legacy exports SW sources to GEDCOM, it 
irreversibly changes the data (in the process of creating GEDCOM-compatible, 
‘basic’ style sources). There is nothing that the target software can do about 
it. The desired formatting of the citation cannot be recreated, even if 
re-imported to Legacy.

3.  How could this be resolved? It sounds like there are two approaches: (a) 
bury the intelligent formatting data in custom GEDCOM codes that certain target 
systems are then programmed to unbury and use; or (b) make do with a compromise 
workaround that is transparent to the target system and thus works for all 
target systems. The latter is what I had been advocating, for SW.

The Subject line is about Shared Events. Today’s e-mails raise questions about 
whether there is even a problem. Leonard’s observation suggests that perhaps 
approach (b), above, has already been implemented for this feature. (That would 
be that, while the structure of shared events is lost, at least the events are 
copied to all applicable individuals.)  And yesterday’s comments suggest that 
approach (a) was also done, for RM.

   Ward

From: Jay 1FamilyTree
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 11:00 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]

I will add one comment on this subject and then move on

In one of the previous messages was stated

  Collaborating Online:  I would think that exporting a significant chunk of 
Legacy data to a web-based tree usually involves the same GEDCOM interchange, 
aside from special implementations like FamilySearch Family Tree. Anyway, if a 
newly-found cousin/researcher wants to import a significant portion of my tree, 
seeing it online won’t help them. I have to send them a file. Usually they 
barely know how to operate the software that they have (often FTM) and are not 
open to starting over with a new product just to accommodate me. If their tree 
is only online (e.g., Ancestry), then yes, they could grant me access to add my 
branch interactively. Painful.



The reason you have to send your new cousin / researcher a file, is because 
whatever online software you exported your Gedcom to
did NOT properly import or use all of the data that was in a Legacy created 
gedcom.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Shared events

[Ward Walker]

Interesting. So what is the difference between Leonard’s observations and what 
Kristy reported yesterday morning? They seem contradictory.

  Ward

From: Leonard Johnson
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 11:24 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared events

Ron, Cheryl et al,

I have used Shared Events often.  Ron you wrote ".for those who export 
their database via GEDCOM is that the shared event exports as a single event 
for the primary participant only.  It does not export for those sharing the 
event."  You are correct in that it exports for the "primary participant" 
however it also exports for all others that share the same event.  I have 
checked this out for shared events, the GEDCOM contains not only the primary 
participant it even contains the events that are shared by others.

Have a nice day,


Leonard Johnson-Källbom
Team Leader
Swedish Translation Team
legacy8.swed...@gmail.com
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Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]

[Ward Walker]

John,

New GEDCOM:  From previous LUG discussions it sounds like it will be years 
before a new interchange standard replaces the current GEDCOM standard.

Legacy-RM Interchange:  RM is not of any relevance to me. Am I alone in this 
regard?

Specific SW Problems:  Gavin has illustrated a typical example of the 
SourceWriter GEDCOM problem. It has been reported to Legacy Support long ago. 
Try this: export a file and import it back into a test Legacy file. Create a 
report and look at your citations. All those that used a template of any 
complexity at all will have the words and phrases out of order (at best). This 
is not anecdotal. There is a clear cause. In attempting to preserve the 
master/detail relationship within the GEDCOM, the fields get shuffled into a 
different order. My idea of a workaround is to flatten each citation out into a 
mostly Detail citation, with the words formatted as in a normal Legacy report.

Collaborating Online:  I would think that exporting a significant chunk of 
Legacy data to a web-based tree usually involves the same GEDCOM interchange, 
aside from special implementations like FamilySearch Family Tree. Anyway, if a 
newly-found cousin/researcher wants to import a significant portion of my tree, 
seeing it online won’t help them. I have to send them a file. Usually they 
barely know how to operate the software that they have (often FTM) and are not 
open to starting over with a new product just to accommodate me. If their tree 
is only online (e.g., Ancestry), then yes, they could grant me access to add my 
branch interactively. Painful.

Am I making my case, yet, that GEDCOM export is a vital component of any new 
feature design?

   Ward

From: John B. Lisle
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 6:55 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]

Ward,

Thanks for your note.

Please see below...

john.

At 05:18 PM 12/5/2013, Ward Walker wrote:

  Jay and John,

  I don’t expect these features/structures to be re-imported intact into the 
target system (whether another product or back into Legacy).

I do expect, at some time in the future, that Gedcom will have an option to 
export SW Sources in a form that they can be re-imported into Legacy perfectly. 
Not being the programmer, I do not know what the issues are.


  What I meant by ‘workaround’ is to bend these structures into the 
standard GEDCOM format. Shared events become separate events. (I acknowledge 
that something would have to be done with ‘roles’.)

Agree. At this point, let's walk before we run.

We already export so that RM can import them perfectly, and we can import RM's 
perfectly.


  SourceWriter sources already become Basic, but Legacy should re-order the 
information so that the basic source reads OK.

As far as I know, SW Sources exported into Gedcom as "Basic" are able to import 
into other programs. I know of no specific problems although I am sure some 
exist, either based on specific templates or types of included data.

--> One problem that has been reported on this list is that note fields on 
export in sources are not getting the formatting codes and space code 
conversions when they are requested in the export.

If you know of specific issues, not just anecdotal reports, then you need to 
get them to support so that they can be reviewed and included in the bug list.



  I said ‘option’ because there might be opportunities for competing 
vendors to do a more intelligent interchange. You are saying that RM and Legacy 
can interchange shared events via GEDCOM, so there must be a special way to 
encode the non-standard structures.

The two vendors seem to have "agreed" to adopt the same syntax. This same 
syntax has been presented to TNG (Web Publisher) for his future implementation 
of Shared Events. (TNG Users... if you want this in TNG soon, you really have 
to ask TNG to include it.)


  My wish is for an option that suits an unknown target system as best possible 
using only standard GEDCOM. I’ve never run into a cousin that uses RM.

As I said before, I want this too so I can use Shared Events. BUT... I want to 
let the implementation settle down as more should be coming. hopefully soon. ;-)



  BTW, I sympathize with the testing challenges. I was a software tester and 
test manager.

You might want to consider offering yourself up for the Test team. ;-)


  Perhaps it is time for Millennia to invest in some automated test cases for 
regression testing.

Above my pay grade... But possibly a thought moving forward. I introduced 
automatic testing to many companies before I retired. I am not current with 
what is in the market today, and, if it would fit with Millennia's development 
process.


  But my complaint is with the design of new features. If I can’t send my 
digital data to a fellow researcher, even in a simplified state, then I better 
not use that fea

Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]

[Ward Walker]

Jay and John,

I don’t expect these features/structures to be re-imported intact into the 
target system (whether another product or back into Legacy). What I meant by 
‘workaround’ is to bend these structures into the standard GEDCOM format. 
Shared events become separate events. (I acknowledge that something would have 
to be done with ‘roles’.) SourceWriter sources already become Basic, but Legacy 
should re-order the information so that the basic source reads OK.

I said ‘option’ because there might be opportunities for competing vendors to 
do a more intelligent interchange. You are saying that RM and Legacy can 
interchange shared events via GEDCOM, so there must be a special way to encode 
the non-standard structures. My wish is for an option that suits an unknown 
target system as best possible using only standard GEDCOM. I’ve never run into 
a cousin that uses RM.

BTW, I sympathize with the testing challenges. I was a software tester and test 
manager. Perhaps it is time for Millennia to invest in some automated test 
cases for regression testing. But my complaint is with the design of new 
features. If I can’t send my digital data to a fellow researcher, even in a 
simplified state, then I better not use that feature. It is not fully 
implemented.

   Ward

From: John B. Lisle
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 4:32 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]

Ward,

I really wish to take exception to your "half implemented" comment.

In the long run, the purpose of Gedcom is to communicate information to another 
product. Not all products have all of the same features.

Shared events - as far as I know - only exist in Legacy, Roots Magic, and a 
variation in The Master Genealogist. Currently, the Gedcoms for RM and Legacy 
can interchange Shared events perfectly.

Supposedly, TMG (not TNG!) does not import or export any Gedcoms that contain 
anything but Gedcom 5.5.1 standard tags so shared events (They call them 
Witnesses) do not escape from their bubble. (I have not played with TMG in a 
while, and, recently, I have had TMG users dispute this assertion but without 
evidence.)

What neither RM or Legacy do is to create a Gedcom where Shared events are 
converted to regular events for Gedcom export. I do not believe that anyone has 
yet determined how this might look, yet.

--> Note: It is likely that some further enhancements need to be made to Shared 
events so this conversion exercise might be done as part of any enhancements. 
One of the proposed enhancements is to add role notes onto the person sharing 
the event and including in the event sentences the ability to structure the 
Role Notes with the Main notes. In a Gedcom export to regular notes, would you 
have to add to the notes that the event was shared from someone else and this 
person participated as a .

There are currently several Gedcom options that are clearly designed to 
facilitate export to a 3rd party product. (eg, the 2 note conversions, the Q 
dates conversion.) When you do those conversion, you do not plan on 
re-importing those Gedcoms back into Legacy.

I can tell you with confidence that these are not all easy changes. Each change 
is fraught with challenges with folks with existing family files that might be 
damaged.

Almost every Gedcom export change has to be married to a Gedcom import change.

When you start to add in Privacy concerns and partial gedcom export options, 
you have very difficult functionality to test. I personally did a lot of 
testing in this area and was only able to cover a fraction of all of the test 
cases that exist.

I almost forgot to chat about SourceWriter Sources... again. These are a Legacy 
unique features. Each template comes with its own baggage with respect to 
Gedcom export. I believe that, when a new Template is created, the Gedcom 
export and import may sometimes be needed to be updated to support it. (I do 
not claim to be the SW expert among the testers so I do not look at this.)

Being able to export a SW Source and then re-importing it into Legacy is really 
only an archival issue. The key is can Legacy Gedcom export convert a SW source 
into a standard "Basic" source without loss of content that can be in turn 
understood by most 3rd party products.

john.


At 03:20 PM 12/5/2013, Ward Walker wrote:

  Jay,

  I think it will be a long time before we have a new interchange standard that 
deals with these two features. To my thinking, whenever a software vendor 
implements a proprietary new feature for data entry (and internal data 
structure), they should implement a workaround for the export of the resulting 
data. From day one. Why would I want to send to my distant cousins a GEDCOM for 
which I have to apologize due to its garbled sources or missing events?

  The Legacy import process already has a few workarounds to accommodate 
non-standard quirks in GEDCOMs generated by 

Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]

[Ward Walker]

Jay,

I think it will be a long time before we have a new interchange standard that 
deals with these two features. To my thinking, whenever a software vendor 
implements a proprietary new feature for data entry (and internal data 
structure), they should implement a workaround for the export of the resulting 
data. From day one. Why would I want to send to my distant cousins a GEDCOM for 
which I have to apologize due to its garbled sources or missing events?

The Legacy import process already has a few workarounds to accommodate 
non-standard quirks in GEDCOMs generated by other products. Why not workarounds 
for the two export issues? They both sound achievable at a reasonable cost.

I’ve already gone down the SourceWriter road, but I can easily avoid shared 
events until this happens. They are a nifty feature that is only half 
implemented.

   Ward

From: Jay 1FamilyTree
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 2:23 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]

Ward

When the standards for Gedcom were created way back when, this 'new feature' 
wasn't even considered or even imagined.

Don't blame the software for it, blame the standards that haven't been updated.


Whatever browser you are using to read this email and view the web certainly 
isnt following the standards of the HTML 3.0 which was the first widely used 
and accepted standards for that category of electronic data.



As Kristy said, the issue is wit the gedcom.


Jay



On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Ward Walker  wrote:

  I agree, Gavin. To me, this is equivalent to the problem with SourceWriter 
source citations. I have long advocated that Legacy reformat these into 
readable detail citations during the process of converting them into Basic 
sources for the GEDCOM export. It seems that Millennia does not believe that a 
usable GEDCOM export is important.

  Every proprietary new feature should have an option to be mashed into the 
primitive GEDCOM standard without loss of data.

 Ward

  From: Gavin Nicholson
  Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:56 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events

  Thanks Kirsty,



  Well I will be putting a change proposal in because it would be simple to 
export a copy of the events to each person. Yes it won't be shared anymore but 
that is far preferable to not existing at all. Essentially, with this as it is 
you can't use shared events and then give your data to anyone who doesnt use 
Legacy :-(



  Thanks for making us aware of this one.

  Gavin...



  From: Kirsty M. Haining [mailto:khain...@comcast.net]
  Sent: Thursday, 5 December 2013 11:48 AM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events



  Gavin, that is exactly what I’m saying. Using a gedcom export, the data shows 
up ONLY under the event initiator’s dataset.



  Keep in mind, however, that if you use Legacy to create your reports, charts, 
sharing via PDF files, etc. then the shared events should appear properly 
within the particular reports (according the report options you’ve chosen). The 
issue is with gedcom export.*



  cheers,

  Kirsty

  J



  *Or, technically, the issue arises anytime you’re using another software 
program to handle a Legacy file, be it gedcom or native FDB format.





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Re: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]

[Ward Walker]

There have been several LUG discussions about this. When Legacy formats source 
citation output from a template-based source, in many cases (i.e., templates) 
it intermixes field values from the master source and the detail source to 
achieve a nicely worded citation. But upon export, it simply appends all the 
master fields together, followed by all the detail fields. The result, upon 
import, can be garbled data and misplaced punctuation or keywords. Some 
templates are worse than others. (I can’t tell if there is an additional, 
compounding bug in your example of an e-mail source.)

  Ward

From: Alan Pereira
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:03 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Sourewriter and gedcoms, was RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: 
[LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]

John

I happened to be one person who had to resolve database nulls when linked to 
FamilySearch by using the gedcom export / import.  This was on version 7.5.

I still keep a reminder to the effect

"When creating an email source using Sourcewriter and subsequently exporting 
the file as a GEDCOM, the Title of the source gets dropped for the words which 
come after the expression "[(E-ADDRESS FOR PRIVATE USE),]". The Title gets 
referred to as "ABBR" in the GEDCOM and is not imported as the source Title 
into any other software.

What's even worse, is that the ABBR field gets contacenated with the Comments 
field by some software, effectively making the source unintelligible."

To my knowledge, this still applies - maybe Sherry has an update on this?



Alan Pereira





From: John B. Lisle [mailto:leg...@tqsi.com]
Sent: 05 December 2013 17:32
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]



Bill,

How do you plan to publish your research?

Knowing where you plan on ending up will guide you to how you use some of the 
new features of Legacy.

My principal publishing vehicle is to web publish with TNG. As TNG does not 
know anything about Legacy SW sources, I have never bothered to adopt them. 
That said, when Legacy exports a family file with SourceWriter sources to a 
Gedcom, the SW Source is exported, more or less, as a Basic source which can 
imported to TNG.

I am not using Shared Events until either Legacy extends its Gedcom export to 
export Shared events as regular events OR TNG supports Shared events and Legacy 
Gedcom of Shared events.

If you plan to publish to Legacy Web Pages or Legacy Reports, you will make 
different decisions as they support both SW and sources and Shared Events.

The tools you use are going to be based on the what you plan to do with your 
research.

SourceWriter sources are a reasonably safe bet, no matter what you do. As 
Sherry from Support has said, she has had fewer than a handful of cases in 10 
years when a user needed to go to a Gedcom file to recover their data. And most 
of them were pre-Legacy 7. So Ward's concern is real, but the risk today is 
only that your sources are converted to Basic Sources.

Shared Events, on the other hand, are a work in progress. I really think they 
add a lot and would like to use them but until there is a way to get them into 
TNG, I have to defer.

john.

At 11:43 AM 12/5/2013, William Boswell wrote:



I just started "converting" my basic citations over to SourceWriter.  Maybe I 
should keep them in basic if there's a problem exporting to a GEDCOM.  Thanks 
for letting me know before I got too far with it.

I haven't explored Shared Events yet so I guess I should wait on that too.

Bill Boswell

From: Ward Walker [mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:44 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]

I agree, Gavin. To me, this is equivalent to the problem with SourceWriter 
source citations. I have long advocated that Legacy reformat these into 
readable detail citations during the process of converting them into Basic 
sources for the GEDCOM export. It seems that Millennia does not believe that a 
usable GEDCOM export is important.

Every proprietary new feature should have an option to be mashed into the 
primitive GEDCOM standard without loss of data.

   Ward

From: Gavin Nicholson
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:56 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events

Thanks Kirsty,

Well I will be putting a change proposal in because it would be simple to 
export a copy of the events to each person. Yes it won't be shared anymore but 
that is far preferable to not existing at all. Essentially, with this as it is 
you can't use shared events and then give your data to anyone who doesnt use 
Legacy :-(

Thanks for making us aware of this one.
Gavin...




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Exporting Shared Events [WAS: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events]

[Ward Walker]

I agree, Gavin. To me, this is equivalent to the problem with SourceWriter 
source citations. I have long advocated that Legacy reformat these into 
readable detail citations during the process of converting them into Basic 
sources for the GEDCOM export. It seems that Millennia does not believe that a 
usable GEDCOM export is important.

Every proprietary new feature should have an option to be mashed into the 
primitive GEDCOM standard without loss of data.

   Ward

From: Gavin Nicholson
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:56 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events

Thanks Kirsty,



Well I will be putting a change proposal in because it would be simple to 
export a copy of the events to each person. Yes it won't be shared anymore but 
that is far preferable to not existing at all. Essentially, with this as it is 
you can't use shared events and then give your data to anyone who doesnt use 
Legacy :-(



Thanks for making us aware of this one.

Gavin...



From: Kirsty M. Haining [mailto:khain...@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, 5 December 2013 11:48 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Shared vital Events



Gavin, that is exactly what I’m saying. Using a gedcom export, the data shows 
up ONLY under the event initiator’s dataset.



Keep in mind, however, that if you use Legacy to create your reports, charts, 
sharing via PDF files, etc. then the shared events should appear properly 
within the particular reports (according the report options you’ve chosen). The 
issue is with gedcom export.*



cheers,

Kirsty

J



*Or, technically, the issue arises anytime you’re using another software 
program to handle a Legacy file, be it gedcom or native FDB format.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Copying names from Legacy Docs folder

[Ward Walker]

Gene, it seems to do what she requested ("...copy the list of docs contained
in that folder by going to Edit>select all>..."). If you select folder
names, then you get folder names. If you select file names, you get the file
names. (In either case, you get the full paths, which can be quickly edited
away in Word if desired.) You're right that it does not give you all file
names in a multilevel folder hierarchy. -- Ward

-Original Message-
From: Gene Young
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 11:32 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Copying names from Legacy Docs folder

On 9/22/2013 10:43 AM, Ward Walker wrote:
> Cool. That’s the simplest solution. Never realized that there was a
> shift right click menu with one more item: copy as path. (Of course you
> meant the copy process, not the paste process.)
> Ward
> *From:* Alan Pereira <mailto:alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 22, 2013 5:14 AM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com>
> *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Copying names from Legacy Docs folder
>
> When you get to the paste part of the process, hold the shift key down and
> using the mouse right click menu select "Copy as Path"
>
> Alan

All that copies is the path, ie; "C:\Users\Gene.Eugene-PC\Documents\My
Genealogy\CENSUS\Census Images-US"

That does nothing to obtain the file names in the folder.

--

Gene Young
Researching Young, Harer, Cox & Sallada
With Legacy Family Tree
http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm



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Re: [LegacyUG] Copying names from Legacy Docs folder

[Ward Walker]

Cool. That’s the simplest solution. Never realized that there was a shift right 
click menu with one more item: copy as path. (Of course you meant the copy 
process, not the paste process.)

   Ward

From: Alan Pereira
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 5:14 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Copying names from Legacy Docs folder

When you get to the paste part of the process, hold the shift key down and 
using the mouse right click menu select "Copy as Path"



Alan



From: Lavern Hall [mailto:lavernh...@gmail.com]
Sent: 21 September 2013 18:17
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Copying names from Legacy Docs folder



Hello all-

In my Legacy directory, I have documents

saved in the "Docs" folder. I've tried to

copy the list of docs contained in that

folder by going to Edit>select all>copy

then pasted what I thought would be

the complete list of doc names, into a

Word doc.



What I got when I did the Paste--

only the name of the first document.

I could go back-and-forth and copy one

name at a time, but I'd like to know:

Is there a way to copy the entire list

of documents?



Thanks,

Lavern Hall



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Re: [LegacyUG] Copying names from Legacy Docs folder

[Ward Walker]

Lavern,

If you need an intelligent (editable) list rather than a captured image of the 
list, then one way to do it is via the Command Prompt. There you can navigate 
to the directory, then use the Edit menu to ‘mark’ the desired files and copy 
the marked text to the clipboard. (When you paste this into Word, change the 
font to a non-proportional font such as courier new, in order to preserve the 
column spacing.) If you are not familiar with the necessary (DOS) commands, 
such as CD and DIR, try typing ‘help’ on the command line, or ‘help ’.

  Ward

From: Lavern Hall
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 1:52 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Copying names from Legacy Docs folder

Hi, Randy!

I could copy one name at a time, but isn't there a way to copy the entire list?

Thanks,
Lavern Hall

On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Randy Clark  wrote:

  You inadvertently copied the files and not the file names.



  On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Lavern Hall  wrote:

Hello all-
In my Legacy directory, I have documents
saved in the "Docs" folder. I've tried to
copy the list of docs contained in that
folder by going to Edit>select all>copy
then pasted what I thought would be
the complete list of doc names, into a
Word doc.

What I got when I did the Paste--
only the name of the first document.
I could go back-and-forth and copy one
name at a time, but I'd like to know:
Is there a way to copy the entire list
of documents?

Thanks,
Lavern Hall


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Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages

[Ward Walker]

Kathy and Cheryl,

I don't agree. In any good software development organization, there is a
process for requirements engineering. The programmers do not necessarily
have to be subject matter experts, but others in the organization take in
all the inputs from marketing, sales, support, testing, and users and create
specifications for new features, minor enhancements, and even non-trivial
defect repairs. The programmers can help refine the specs, based on what is
feasible, but they don't own the product requirements.

And what are the requirements? I think that the LUG community mostly agrees
that Millennia should not devote too much effort to things like word
processing features and fancy web page design. But there is a difference
between a 'plain vanilla' web site and one that is difficult to read.

I realize that Millennia is a small shop and some of the above roles are
combined. But something like unbalanced font sizes can be fixed if the
people responsible for user requirements make it a priority. It doesn't
matter if the programmer who first implemented it failed to appreciate that
it looked bad, especially if the cause was a defect (e.g., incorrectly
nested html tables).

   Ward

-Original Message-
From: singhals
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 10:29 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Webpages

Yes, lordy!

In addition to all Kathy's excellent points, some people
don't like double-dutch-rockyroad-raspberry-swirl. Plain
vanilla websites may not win design awards or many "likes"
but they DO transmit information.

Cheryl

Kathy Thompson wrote:
> or perhaps the programmers are programmers and not web
> designers.
>
> The two professions are totally different really - asking a
> programmer to build a website would be like asking the
> toaster to make the bread.
> But yes, there are people out there who have the brain
> skills to train and successfully do both, but perhaps we
> don't have them on our Legacy team.
>
>  From a personal point of view of the situation, and knowing
> how much work goes into building just a basic site, and also
> knowing how many different browsers there are and how often
> they change and update, and how many different screen sizes
> and operating systems and . I could go on but I won't, I
> feel that although the website they have created is basic,
> it suits the purpose of providing an HMTL format for webpage
> display of a family tree.
> They have provided us with the ability to have a surname
> index that links directly to each possible person, they've
> provided us with different pages for each generation,
> they've even provided us with the ability to customise
> background colour and different images for different
> reasons, they've even provided us with the choice of
> Ancestor or Generation, if we want living people included or
> suppressed.
>
> If I personally sat down and created these pages from
> scratch, and I know how to create webpages and websites, I'd
> be easily looking at working at it non-stop for close to 4
> weeks, to write the code, to de-bug the code, to make sure
> it worked with different sizes and configurations of family
> trees, and to ensure it worked across multiple browsers,
> operating systems and monitor sizes.
> And that's without then writing it all into the program so
> it can do it all for us in less than a minute.
>
> Now, if I have offended or upset anyone my my response here,
> I am sorry, but having done University studies in both
> programming and web design, and realising the Web Design was
> hard enough and that programming wasn't for me, I do feel
> that I have half an idea of what the Legacy team are going
> through, and nagging really doesn't help.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 18 September 2013 18:20, Mary Young  > wrote:
>
> IMHO, this problem of inappropriate *relative* font
> sizes, is not helped by increasing Zoom of the entire
> web page. By the time the text in "Family Links" is
> readable, the headers go from "large" to "ridiculously
> large" etc. ..
> My Legacy website was created in April 2006 and I've
> found the unbalanced appearance of the font sizes
> annoying from day one - as have others posting to the
> Group.  The problem could best be addressed by the
> programmers. It would seem fairly simple to alter the
> coding for a simple change to fixed, more balanced font
> sizes (offering user-defined sizes would I assume be
> more complicated).
> Requests for a fix have been made over the years, but it
> seems the programmers are not sufficiently interested in
> presenting the program's best face via our Legacy websites.
> Mary Young




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Re: [LegacyUG] How can I successfully use Legacy on desktop & laptop?

[Ward Walker]

This topic has come up many times on this list, and people have a variety of 
solutions. Mine is not for everyone, but you might want to consider it. The 
biggest advantage is that it requires no Internet access. It also avoids 
accidentally updating two different family files, and it avoids the issue of 
accidentally having simultaneous dropbox sessions. This solution is to keep 
your active family file(s) on a USB drive. You insert this thumb drive in 
whichever computer you are using. When you finish a session or otherwise make a 
backup, ensure that the backup goes elsewhere – normally to a hard drive on the 
current computer. I keep my Legacy-related multimedia on the USB drive as well. 
(These are copies of files stored in normal places like My Pictures.) Ensure 
that your regular computer backup procedure for all your files includes the 
folders containing Legacy backups.

  Ward

From: Kathy Meyer
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:31 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How can I successfully use Legacy on desktop & laptop?

I will add my support to the Dropbox recommendation.   Have used it for years 
and it is awesome. So versatile to be able to access it anywhere and save 
things to your own Dropbox account from anywhere else.  Don't forget the 
warning about opening the same account in two places.   Kathy

On Monday, September 9, 2013, Wendy Howard wrote:

  That all sounds perfectly fine, and exactly what I would do if I had two
  working computers.  I have my data file (and everything else I want to
  backup) in Dropbox.

  The only rider is that you should take care to never open the same file
  in two machines at the same time.

  If you have an Android smart phone or iPhone/iPad, you could
  alternatively use that to carry your data around with you using the
  Families app.  Might be less cumbersome, though the laptop has its uses,
  too.  http://www.telgen.co.uk/families/index.html

  Hope this helps.  :-)

  Kind Regards,
  Wendy


  Kathy Thompson said the following on 10/09/2013 12:56 p.m.:
  > Aside from installing Legacy on both machines, is there any other
  > thing I need to do to enable this to happen successfully?
  > Will saving my main Legacy database file in a cloud storage (like
  > Dropbox) be enough?
  >
  > I'm finding I'm using too much paper when going to the library to do
  > research, and the other day I got there and found I didn't have
  > information with me that I knew I wanted to look up.
  > Taking the laptop would solve both those issues.
  >
  > Thanks.



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