Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Leo MacDonald]

Thanks Chris and Cathy, I now have a clearer understanding of the settings, I 
have reset my settings.


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Chris Hill 
Sent: March 14, 2021 7:53 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships


I think that I have been misunderstanding the meaning to the value we set 
for relationships, partly because there seem to be no definition of what it 
means that I can find in the help system.

I had assumed that it was the number of steps between people, so my father 
is step 1, my grandfather is step 2 (F->G), my uncle is step 3 (F->G->U) and my 
cousin in step 4 (F->G->U->C).  Hence I would use a large number to be able to 
locate my 3rd cousin 3 times removed - 11 steps.

Having been playing with the values and seeing what the effect was, I now 
suspect that it is looking for multiple, different paths between people, of 
which there are very few in my tree. They would generally be the descendants of 
a marriage between cousins with two different routes back to a common ancestor.

My apologies if I have been misleading in the past.

Regards

Chris

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From: "Cathy Pinner" mailto:genea...@gmail.com>>
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Sent: 14/03/2021 06:44:12
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

The default is 5. That's fine for my file of about 20,000 people. I don't have 
much pedigree collapse, no endogamy and I'm not back into royal genealogies.
In my friend's file where there are many aristocratic/royal lines entered, I 
found I stopped getting more relationships between two people when it was set 
to 30 so I wouldn't go any higher.
Whether it matters to set it higher depends on your computer. Unless your 
computer has a heap of RAM, it takes much longer to set relationships if you 
jump to 999. The number relates to the number of checks that are made for 
alternative lines between the people in your database.

There is no point in upping the non-blood in set relationships from the default 
2 as only the very closest non-blood - spouses and close in-laws are included. 
There is a point to upping it in the Relationship Calculator.

Cathy



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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Chris Hill]

I think that I have been misunderstanding the meaning to the value 
we set for relationships, partly because there seem to be no definition 
of what it means that I can find in the help system.


I had assumed that it was the number of steps between people, so my 
father is step 1, my grandfather is step 2 (F->G), my uncle is step 3 
(F->G->U) and my cousin in step 4 (F->G->U->C).  Hence I would use a 
large number to be able to locate my 3rd cousin 3 times removed - 11 
steps.


Having been playing with the values and seeing what the effect was, 
I now suspect that it is looking for multiple, different paths between 
people, of which there are very few in my tree. They would generally be 
the descendants of a marriage between cousins with two different routes 
back to a common ancestor.


My apologies if I have been misleading in the past.

Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Cathy Pinner" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 14/03/2021 06:44:12
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

The default is 5. That's fine for my file of about 20,000 people. I 
don't have much pedigree collapse, no endogamy and I'm not back into 
royal genealogies.
In my friend's file where there are many aristocratic/royal lines 
entered, I found I stopped getting more relationships between two 
people when it was set to 30 so I wouldn't go any higher.
Whether it matters to set it higher depends on your computer. Unless 
your computer has a heap of RAM, it takes much longer to set 
relationships if you jump to 999. The number relates to the number of 
checks that are made for alternative lines between the people in your 
database.


There is no point in upping the non-blood in set relationships from the 
default 2 as only the very closest non-blood - spouses and close 
in-laws are included. There is a point to upping it in the Relationship 
Calculator.


Cathy


Chris Hill <mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>
Thursday, 11 March 2021 22:37
The usual recommendation seems to be set it to 10 - 20, on the basis 
that your family tree will not be that complex in terms of the number 
of generations that it needs to work through looking for a common 
ancestor. My largest line is about 14 generations.


That said, I always run with 999 blood and 5 non-blood relationships, 
and it does not seem to impact the performance.


I suppose that it would cause issues if your tree had weird, and 
probably invalid, links to work through.


Regards

Chris

From my Motorola G6+



Leo MacDonald <mailto:macdonald...@hotmail.com>
Thursday, 11 March 2021 22:13
When setting up the Set Relationships for a person under the Blood 
Relationships section, a number from 1-999 can be entered, I was 
wondering how many most researchers enter, I have mine set at 6, I'm 
not sure if I'm too low.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Cathy Pinner]

The default is 5. That's fine for my file of about 20,000 people. I 
don't have much pedigree collapse, no endogamy and I'm not back into 
royal genealogies.
In my friend's file where there are many aristocratic/royal lines 
entered, I found I stopped getting more relationships between two people 
when it was set to 30 so I wouldn't go any higher.
Whether it matters to set it higher depends on your computer. Unless 
your computer has a heap of RAM, it takes much longer to set 
relationships if you jump to 999. The number relates to the number of 
checks that are made for alternative lines between the people in your 
database.


There is no point in upping the non-blood in set relationships from the 
default 2 as only the very closest non-blood - spouses and close in-laws 
are included. There is a point to upping it in the Relationship Calculator.


Cathy


Chris Hill 
Thursday, 11 March 2021 22:37
The usual recommendation seems to be set it to 10 - 20, on the basis 
that your family tree will not be that complex in terms of the number 
of generations that it needs to work through looking for a common 
ancestor. My largest line is about 14 generations.


That said, I always run with 999 blood and 5 non-blood relationships, 
and it does not seem to impact the performance.


I suppose that it would cause issues if your tree had weird, and 
probably invalid, links to work through.


Regards

Chris

From my Motorola G6+



Leo MacDonald 
Thursday, 11 March 2021 22:13
When setting up the Set Relationships for a person under the Blood 
Relationships section, a number from 1-999 can be entered, I was 
wondering how many most researchers enter, I have mine set at 6, I'm 
not sure if I'm too low.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Chris Hill]

The usual recommendation seems to be set it to 10 - 20, on the basis that
your family tree will not be that complex in terms of the number of
generations that it needs to work through looking for a common ancestor. My
largest line is about 14 generations.

That said, I always run with 999 blood and 5 non-blood relationships, and
it does not seem to impact the performance.

I suppose that it would cause issues if your tree had weird, and probably
invalid, links to work through.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Thu, 11 Mar 2021, 14:14 Leo MacDonald,  wrote:

> When setting up the Set Relationships for a person under the Blood
> Relationships section, a number from 1-999 can be entered, I was wondering
> how many most researchers enter, I have mine set at 6, I'm not sure if I'm
> too low.
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[LegacyUG] Relationships

[Leo MacDonald]

When setting up the Set Relationships for a person under the Blood 
Relationships section, a number from 1-999 can be entered, I was wondering how 
many most researchers enter, I have mine set at 6, I'm not sure if I'm too low.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[CE WOOD]

You can choose between

Show the closest relationship, which would display for example, 3rd Great-Grand 
Uncle before it would show 4th Great-Grandfather,

or

Show the closest direct-line relationship (if any), which would show 4th 
Great-Grandfather before 3rd Great-Grand Uncle.


Someone familiar with version 9 can tell you where to set that. The first and 
many subsequent updates to version 9 had so many bugs that I couldn't it , so I 
had to revert to version 7.5. I have had neither the time nor need to try out 
all the new bells and whistles that the MyHeritage versions contain.


​CE


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Trevor Good 
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 2:23 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships

Hi Everyone

I set "My Relationship" to me and ran process, to my surprise my wife is
showing as my - Half-3rd Cousin Once Removed, I always thought she was
my wife, obviously something is set wrong, can you help please.
Trevor

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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Betty Graham via LegacyUserGroup]

Is Legacy offering DNA test that you can take at the present time?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Betty Graham via LegacyUserGroup]

How can you find out this information?

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  On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 5:58 PM, Brian Kelly wrote:   
Actually a cousin relationship, because it is via blood connections, is 
closer in genealogical terms than a spouse because a wife or husband is 
a legal relationship created by a marriage.

You should see a + sign beside that Half-3rd Cousin Once Removed which 
indicates that there a multiple links between you and your spouse. 
Right-click on the relationship and a menu will open letting you view 
those other relationships. That will also show the blood line(s) between 
you and your wife.

Brian Kelly

On 15-Oct.-19 5:23 p.m., Trevor Good wrote:
> Hi Everyone
> 
> I set "My Relationship" to me and ran process, to my surprise my wife is 
> showing as my - Half-3rd Cousin Once Removed, I always thought she was 
> my wife, obviously something is set wrong, can you help please.
> Trevor
> 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Brian Kelly]

Actually a cousin relationship, because it is via blood connections, is 
closer in genealogical terms than a spouse because a wife or husband is 
a legal relationship created by a marriage.


You should see a + sign beside that Half-3rd Cousin Once Removed which 
indicates that there a multiple links between you and your spouse. 
Right-click on the relationship and a menu will open letting you view 
those other relationships. That will also show the blood line(s) between 
you and your wife.


Brian Kelly

On 15-Oct.-19 5:23 p.m., Trevor Good wrote:

Hi Everyone

I set "My Relationship" to me and ran process, to my surprise my wife is 
showing as my - Half-3rd Cousin Once Removed, I always thought she was 
my wife, obviously something is set wrong, can you help please.

Trevor



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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Christopher Seward Sr.]

Trevor,

Don't automatically assume something is wrong.  My brothers are shown as 
my 4th cousins, once-removed.  Turns out that my great-great 
grandparents were 1st cousins.


Christopher

On 10/15/2019 4:23 PM, Trevor Good wrote:

Hi Everyone

I set "My Relationship" to me and ran process, to my surprise my wife 
is showing as my - Half-3rd Cousin Once Removed, I always thought she 
was my wife, obviously something is set wrong, can you help please.

Trevor



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[LegacyUG] Relationships

[Trevor Good]

Hi Everyone

I set "My Relationship" to me and ran process, to my surprise my wife is 
showing as my - Half-3rd Cousin Once Removed, I always thought she was 
my wife, obviously something is set wrong, can you help please.

Trevor

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[LegacyUG] Relationships

[Graham Love]

I'm glad to see that the latest update has addressed some of the
relationship problems 'Relationships - Now recognize spouses of
half-siblings.' - shame they weren't all fixed.

The child of a half relative shows correctly for males but incorrectly for
females eg.
The male children of my Half 3rd Great Granduncle show as Half 1st cousins 4
times removed.
The female children of my Half 3rd Great Grandaunt show as 1st cousins 4
times removed.
The male children of one of these cousins show as Half 2nd cousin 3 times
removed if male and 2nd cousin 3 times removed if female.

The double asterisks for relatives of a younger generation remain.

Graham




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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Susan Jones]

Hi Graham,

I haven't noticed that but when I look at my 7th and 8th great grandparents, 
their relationship is mark 7th great grandfather+
I am unsure what the + indicates.

Susan

I've reported a number of issues/errors about how Legacy handles relationships 
but have just come across another strange occurrence. I have all my 4th Great 
Grandparents entered and one entered recently now shows on family view as 'Wife 
of 4th Great-Grandfather' rather than '4th Great-Grandmother' as are all the 
others. He only had one spouse and all their children show correctly. I've done 
a check/repair. Has anyone else seen this?
Graham
PS I would have thought correct relationships was fairly fundamental to a 
genealogy program but have seen no indication when the problems of incorrect 
relationships will be fixed.







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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Graham Love]

Hi Susan
If it's working as it should it would mean there is more than one relationship.
Graham

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Sent: 15 March 2014 06:33
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Hi Graham,

I haven't noticed that but when I look at my 7th and 8th great grandparents, 
their relationship is mark 7th great grandfather+ I am unsure what the + 
indicates.

Susan

I've reported a number of issues/errors about how Legacy handles relationships 
but have just come across another strange occurrence. I have all my 4th Great 
Grandparents entered and one entered recently now shows on family view as 'Wife 
of 4th Great-Grandfather' rather than '4th Great-Grandmother' as are all the 
others. He only had one spouse and all their children show correctly. I've done 
a check/repair. Has anyone else seen this?
Graham
PS I would have thought correct relationships was fairly fundamental to a 
genealogy program but have seen no indication when the problems of incorrect 
relationships will be fixed.







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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Graham Love]

... and I should have added that if you right-click on the relationship you can 
choose 'View additional relationships'.
G

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From: Susan Jones [mailto:scjo...@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: 15 March 2014 06:33
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

Hi Graham,

I haven't noticed that but when I look at my 7th and 8th great grandparents, 
their relationship is mark 7th great grandfather+ I am unsure what the + 
indicates.

Susan

I've reported a number of issues/errors about how Legacy handles relationships 
but have just come across another strange occurrence. I have all my 4th Great 
Grandparents entered and one entered recently now shows on family view as 'Wife 
of 4th Great-Grandfather' rather than '4th Great-Grandmother' as are all the 
others. He only had one spouse and all their children show correctly. I've done 
a check/repair. Has anyone else seen this?
Graham
PS I would have thought correct relationships was fairly fundamental to a 
genealogy program but have seen no indication when the problems of incorrect 
relationships will be fixed.







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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Mary Moyer]

Graham

I had this happen a few days ago. Even though I never change the root
person (me), my husband was showing as my grandfather, my children were
various other relationships. All relationships were garbled and made no
sense. However, when I changed the root person back to me, all the
relationships now seem fine.

Mary




On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Graham Love
love-fam...@blueyonder.co.ukwrote:

 I've reported a number of issues/errors about how Legacy handles
 relationships but have just come across another strange occurrence. I have
 all my 4th Great Grandparents entered and one entered recently now shows on
 family view as 'Wife of 4th Great-Grandfather' rather than '4th
 Great-Grandmother' as are all the others. He only had one spouse and all
 their children show correctly. I've done a check/repair. Has anyone else
 seen this?
 Graham
 PS I would have thought correct relationships was fairly fundamental to a
 genealogy program but have seen no indication when the problems of
 incorrect
 relationships will be fixed.




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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Graham Love]

Thanks Mary that fixed it for me too.

G



From: Mary Moyer [mailto:mgmo...@gmail.com]
Sent: 15 March 2014 07:02
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
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Graham



I had this happen a few days ago. Even though I never change the root person 
(me), my husband was showing as my grandfather, my children were various other 
relationships. All relationships were garbled and made no sense. However, when 
I changed the root person back to me, all the relationships now seem fine.



Mary







On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Graham Love love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk 
wrote:

I've reported a number of issues/errors about how Legacy handles
relationships but have just come across another strange occurrence. I have
all my 4th Great Grandparents entered and one entered recently now shows on
family view as 'Wife of 4th Great-Grandfather' rather than '4th
Great-Grandmother' as are all the others. He only had one spouse and all
their children show correctly. I've done a check/repair. Has anyone else
seen this?
Graham
PS I would have thought correct relationships was fairly fundamental to a
genealogy program but have seen no indication when the problems of incorrect
relationships will be fixed.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Mary Moyer]

At least it's an easy fix :)

Mary


On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 12:06 AM, Graham Love
love-fam...@blueyonder.co.ukwrote:

 Thanks Mary that fixed it for me too.

 G



 *From:* Mary Moyer [mailto:mgmo...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* 15 March 2014 07:02
 *To:* legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships



 Graham



 I had this happen a few days ago. Even though I never change the root
 person (me), my husband was showing as my grandfather, my children were
 various other relationships. All relationships were garbled and made no
 sense. However, when I changed the root person back to me, all the
 relationships now seem fine.



 Mary







 On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Graham Love 
 love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

 I've reported a number of issues/errors about how Legacy handles
 relationships but have just come across another strange occurrence. I have
 all my 4th Great Grandparents entered and one entered recently now shows on
 family view as 'Wife of 4th Great-Grandfather' rather than '4th
 Great-Grandmother' as are all the others. He only had one spouse and all
 their children show correctly. I've done a check/repair. Has anyone else
 seen this?
 Graham
 PS I would have thought correct relationships was fairly fundamental to a
 genealogy program but have seen no indication when the problems of
 incorrect
 relationships will be fixed.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Ron Taylor]

Running 8.0.0.414, Windows XP SP3

I confirm that some relationships are pretty messed up.  My son-in-law has a 
plus sign next to that relationship.  Right-clicking on it and then clicking 
View Additional Relationships... shows the following:

Son-in-law Todd (showing descent as my daughter Tiffany and then Todd under 
Tiffany)

Husband of StepGreat-Granddaughter (showing my daughter Tiffany, then her 
step daughter McKayla, then McKayla's mother Kara, then my son-in-law 
Todd who is not father of McKayla nor husband to Kara)

Husband of StepGreat-Granddaughter (showing my daughter Tiffany, then her 
step son Josh, then Josh's mother Kara, then my son-in-law Todd who is 
not father of Josh nor husband to Kara)

These are the actual relationships.  My daughter, Tiffany, married Todd and 
they had 3 children then divorced.  Tiffany then married Joshua who had 2 
children, Josh and McKayla, by a previous marriage to Kara.  Josh and McKayla 
are Tiffany's step children with Joshua so they would be my Step Grandchildren 
not Step Great Grandchildren.  Kara and her children have no relationship to 
Todd.

Hope somebody can un-scramble this.  I'll have to go back to my old version 7.5 
files to see if it has been mixed up for a while.
Ron Taylor




On Saturday, March 15, 2014 1:10 AM, Mary Moyer mgmo...@gmail.com wrote:

At least it's an easy fix :)

Mary



On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 12:06 AM, Graham Love love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk 
wrote:

Thanks Mary that fixed it for me too.
G
 
From:Mary Moyer [mailto:mgmo...@gmail.com]
Sent: 15 March 2014 07:02
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships
 
Graham
 
I had this happen a few days ago. Even though I never change the root person 
(me), my husband was showing as my grandfather, my children were various other 
relationships. All relationships were garbled and made no sense. However, when 
I changed the root person back to me, all the relationships now seem fine.
 
Mary
 
 
 
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Graham Love love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk 
wrote:
I've reported a number of issues/errors about how Legacy handles
relationships but have just come across another strange occurrence. I have
all my 4th Great Grandparents entered and one entered recently now shows on
family view as 'Wife of 4th Great-Grandfather' rather than '4th
Great-Grandmother' as are all the others. He only had one spouse and all
their children show correctly. I've done a check/repair. Has anyone else
seen this?
Graham
PS I would have thought correct relationships was fairly fundamental to a
genealogy program but have seen no indication when the problems of incorrect
relationships will be fixed.




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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Susan Jones]

Thanks Tony,

I will have a look at those relationships. I know about that time there were 
many inter relation marriages.

Susan

-Original Message-
From: Graham Love [mailto:love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, 15 March 2014 5:43 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

Hi Susan
If it's working as it should it would mean there is more than one relationship.
Graham

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From: Susan Jones [mailto:scjo...@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: 15 March 2014 06:33
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

Hi Graham,

I haven't noticed that but when I look at my 7th and 8th great grandparents, 
their relationship is mark 7th great grandfather+ I am unsure what the + 
indicates.

Susan

I've reported a number of issues/errors about how Legacy handles relationships 
but have just come across another strange occurrence. I have all my 4th Great 
Grandparents entered and one entered recently now shows on family view as 'Wife 
of 4th Great-Grandfather' rather than '4th Great-Grandmother' as are all the 
others. He only had one spouse and all their children show correctly. I've done 
a check/repair. Has anyone else seen this?
Graham
PS I would have thought correct relationships was fairly fundamental to a 
genealogy program but have seen no indication when the problems of incorrect 
relationships will be fixed.







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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Susan Jones]

Thank you, Graham,

Must have been all those marriages within one family.

Susan

-Original Message-
From: Graham Love [mailto:love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, 15 March 2014 5:43 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

Hi Susan
If it's working as it should it would mean there is more than one relationship.
Graham

-Original Message-
From: Susan Jones [mailto:scjo...@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: 15 March 2014 06:33
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

Hi Graham,

I haven't noticed that but when I look at my 7th and 8th great grandparents, 
their relationship is mark 7th great grandfather+ I am unsure what the + 
indicates.

Susan

I've reported a number of issues/errors about how Legacy handles relationships 
but have just come across another strange occurrence. I have all my 4th Great 
Grandparents entered and one entered recently now shows on family view as 'Wife 
of 4th Great-Grandfather' rather than '4th Great-Grandmother' as are all the 
others. He only had one spouse and all their children show correctly. I've done 
a check/repair. Has anyone else seen this?
Graham
PS I would have thought correct relationships was fairly fundamental to a 
genealogy program but have seen no indication when the problems of incorrect 
relationships will be fixed.







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[LegacyUG] Relationships

[Graham Love]

I've reported a number of issues/errors about how Legacy handles
relationships but have just come across another strange occurrence. I have
all my 4th Great Grandparents entered and one entered recently now shows on
family view as 'Wife of 4th Great-Grandfather' rather than '4th
Great-Grandmother' as are all the others. He only had one spouse and all
their children show correctly. I've done a check/repair. Has anyone else
seen this?
Graham
PS I would have thought correct relationships was fairly fundamental to a
genealogy program but have seen no indication when the problems of incorrect
relationships will be fixed.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Graham Love]

Thanks. Any thoughts about my PS relating to potential problems for twins?
Graham

Sent from my iPad

 On 27 Jan 2014, at 20:50, Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

 OK, I have confirmed this is a problem. The correct half relationships
 are for males the incorrect relationships missing the half were all for
 females as you reported. I have entered a problem report to have this fixed.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

 On 27 Jan 2014 10:54 AM, Graham Love wrote:
 Sorry, yes did that and made no difference. I have now also run set 
 relationships from every person in the family group. All show correctly but 
 when I run it for the relationship to me they revert to the full/half. I 
 have also since checked the children of the other daughter of my half-3rd 
 great grandaunt - they also show half-2nd cousin 3 times removed for the son 
 and 2nd cousin 3 times removed for the daughter.
 Graham
 PS Another issue I've just noticed since adding the twin yesterday is that 
 the twin brother correctly has a potential problem flag ( birth too long 
 after prev child) but the twin daughter does not. Not a bug as such I guess 
 but I presume this would vary depending on the name, and hence order, of 
 each child. The 'correct' option of course would be to have both flagged.
 G

 -Original Message-
 From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
 Sent: 27 January 2014 15:21
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

 One thing you do not report doing is running set relationships after adding 
 all these people. Do that then report how the relationships show.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com


 On 27 Jan 2014 10:04 AM, Graham Love wrote:
 Still no answer to this - I've unlinked and relinked  and run file 
 maintenenace. The only other observation is that all daughters show as 2nd 
 cousins 3 times removed and all sons show as half-2nd cousins 3 times 
 removed.
 Graham

 -Original Message-
 From: Graham Love [mailto:love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk]
 Sent: 26 January 2014 19:19
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

 Good call but not the case. Only one marriage and all children show under 
 the same two parents. Things have got slightly more confusing since I 
 discovered another child - a twin of one already entered. Guess whatthe 
 new child shows as a 2nd cousin 3 times removed whilst her twin shows as a 
 half-2nd cousin 3 times removed.
 Wouldn't all descendants of a half-relative be halves themselves? So I have 
 a half-relative with offspring who show as full-relatives and their 
 childred show as full-relatives (3 of 5) and half-relatives (2 of 5).
 I remain confused!
 Graham

 -Original Message-
 From: Jack Earnshaw [mailto:j...@jearnshaw.me.uk]
 Sent: 26 January 2014 12:53
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

 It sounds as though you have two separate marriages for that daughter
 - one having 2 children and the other having the second two. You will
 need to unlink the last two children from the spurious marriage and
 link them to the correct one - then deal with getting rid of the
 second marriage

 Jack

 -Original Message-
 From: Graham Love [mailto:love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk]
 Sent: 25 January 2014 14:19
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships

 Now this is me, just odd or a bug

 I have a half 3rd great grandaunt, Louisa Love, who married and had 2 
 daughters. Both children are shown as 1st cousins 4 times removed. The 
 youngest married and had 4 children. The first 2 are shown as 2nd cousins 3 
 times removed and the last 2 are shown as half-2nd cousins 3 times removed.
 The first 2 were entered before I upgraded to V8 and the last 2 added since.
 Graham Love





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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Brian/Support]

Yes, It does not apply to the second twin because the child dates are
checked against the previous child in the list. That previous child (the
first twin) has the same birthday so it is not too long after previous
child. There is no check for birth too soon after previous child but if
there was the second twin would get that PP.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

On 28 Jan 2014 6:52 AM, Graham Love wrote:
 Thanks. Any thoughts about my PS relating to potential problems for twins?
 Graham

 Sent from my iPad

 On 27 Jan 2014, at 20:50, Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

 OK, I have confirmed this is a problem. The correct half relationships
 are for males the incorrect relationships missing the half were all for
 females as you reported. I have entered a problem report to have this fixed.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

 On 27 Jan 2014 10:54 AM, Graham Love wrote:
 Sorry, yes did that and made no difference. I have now also run set 
 relationships from every person in the family group. All show correctly but 
 when I run it for the relationship to me they revert to the full/half. I 
 have also since checked the children of the other daughter of my half-3rd 
 great grandaunt - they also show half-2nd cousin 3 times removed for the 
 son and 2nd cousin 3 times removed for the daughter.
 Graham
 PS Another issue I've just noticed since adding the twin yesterday is that 
 the twin brother correctly has a potential problem flag ( birth too long 
 after prev child) but the twin daughter does not. Not a bug as such I guess 
 but I presume this would vary depending on the name, and hence order, of 
 each child. The 'correct' option of course would be to have both flagged.
 G

 -Original Message-
 From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
 Sent: 27 January 2014 15:21
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

 One thing you do not report doing is running set relationships after adding 
 all these people. Do that then report how the relationships show.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com


 On 27 Jan 2014 10:04 AM, Graham Love wrote:
 Still no answer to this - I've unlinked and relinked  and run file 
 maintenenace. The only other observation is that all daughters show as 2nd 
 cousins 3 times removed and all sons show as half-2nd cousins 3 times 
 removed.
 Graham

 -Original Message-
 From: Graham Love [mailto:love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk]
 Sent: 26 January 2014 19:19
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

 Good call but not the case. Only one marriage and all children show under 
 the same two parents. Things have got slightly more confusing since I 
 discovered another child - a twin of one already entered. Guess 
 whatthe new child shows as a 2nd cousin 3 times removed whilst her 
 twin shows as a half-2nd cousin 3 times removed.
 Wouldn't all descendants of a half-relative be halves themselves? So I 
 have a half-relative with offspring who show as full-relatives and their 
 childred show as full-relatives (3 of 5) and half-relatives (2 of 5).
 I remain confused!
 Graham

 -Original Message-
 From: Jack Earnshaw [mailto:j...@jearnshaw.me.uk]
 Sent: 26 January 2014 12:53
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

 It sounds as though you have two separate marriages for that daughter
 - one having 2 children and the other having the second two. You will
 need to unlink the last two children from the spurious marriage and
 link them to the correct one - then deal with getting rid of the
 second marriage

 Jack

 -Original Message-
 From: Graham Love [mailto:love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk]
 Sent: 25 January 2014 14:19
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships

 Now this is me, just odd or a bug

 I have a half 3rd great grandaunt, Louisa Love, who married and had 2 
 daughters. Both children are shown as 1st cousins 4 times removed. The 
 youngest married and had 4 children. The first 2 are shown as 2nd cousins 
 3 times removed and the last 2 are shown as half-2nd cousins 3 times 
 removed.
 The first 2 were entered before I upgraded to V8 and the last 2 added 
 since.
 Graham Love





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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Gene Young]

On 1/28/2014 8:08 AM, Brian/Support wrote:
 Yes, It does not apply to the second twin because the child dates are
 checked against the previous child in the list. That previous child (the
 first twin) has the same birthday so it is not too long after previous
 child. There is no check for birth too soon after previous child but if
 there was the second twin would get that PP.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com


Brian,
Legacy does check for child born too soon after last child.
Reports  Other Reports  Potential Problems  Gaps.
You can set the gap to check in Warn if child was born less than XX months 
after the previous child.

You should also try to set an example and trim your replys.  I deleted six 
Legacy User Group guidelines: from your post. ;-)
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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Gene Young]

On 1/28/2014 11:26 AM, Graham Love wrote:
 Now I'm more confused than when I started :) - perhaps I didn't explain it 
 well enough. The first twin in the list has a correct PP ( birth too long 
 after prev child) being born some while after the previous child. The second 
 twin born the same day does not - I don't expect a PP for birth too soon for 
 the second twin. My comment was about the logic of that situation - if both 
 children were born on the same day how can only one have a PP - they were 
 both born some time after the previous child. A minor point I realise.
 Graham


Legacy is only checking against the child immediately preceding.  The child 
with the PP is being compared to the preceding one.  The second twin is being 
compared to the first twin.  Legacy recognizes it is a twin and gives no 
problem indication.  The second twin is never compared to the same child the 
first twin is being compared to.



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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Graham Love]

Now I'm more confused than when I started :) - perhaps I didn't explain it well 
enough. The first twin in the list has a correct PP ( birth too long after prev 
child) being born some while after the previous child. The second twin born the 
same day does not - I don't expect a PP for birth too soon for the second twin. 
My comment was about the logic of that situation - if both children were born 
on the same day how can only one have a PP - they were both born some time 
after the previous child. A minor point I realise.
Graham

-Original Message-
From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: 28 January 2014 13:09
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

Yes, It does not apply to the second twin because the child dates are checked 
against the previous child in the list. That previous child (the first twin) 
has the same birthday so it is not too long after previous child. There is no 
check for birth too soon after previous child but if there was the second twin 
would get that PP.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

On 28 Jan 2014 6:52 AM, Graham Love wrote:
 Thanks. Any thoughts about my PS relating to potential problems for twins?
 Graham

 Sent from my iPad

 On 27 Jan 2014, at 20:50, Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

 OK, I have confirmed this is a problem. The correct half
 relationships are for males the incorrect relationships missing the
 half were all for females as you reported. I have entered a problem report 
 to have this fixed.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

 On 27 Jan 2014 10:54 AM, Graham Love wrote:
 Sorry, yes did that and made no difference. I have now also run set 
 relationships from every person in the family group. All show correctly but 
 when I run it for the relationship to me they revert to the full/half. I 
 have also since checked the children of the other daughter of my half-3rd 
 great grandaunt - they also show half-2nd cousin 3 times removed for the 
 son and 2nd cousin 3 times removed for the daughter.
 Graham
 PS Another issue I've just noticed since adding the twin yesterday is that 
 the twin brother correctly has a potential problem flag ( birth too long 
 after prev child) but the twin daughter does not. Not a bug as such I guess 
 but I presume this would vary depending on the name, and hence order, of 
 each child. The 'correct' option of course would be to have both flagged.
 G

 -Original Message-
 From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
 Sent: 27 January 2014 15:21
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

 One thing you do not report doing is running set relationships after adding 
 all these people. Do that then report how the relationships show.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com


 On 27 Jan 2014 10:04 AM, Graham Love wrote:
 Still no answer to this - I've unlinked and relinked  and run file 
 maintenenace. The only other observation is that all daughters show as 2nd 
 cousins 3 times removed and all sons show as half-2nd cousins 3 times 
 removed.
 Graham

 -Original Message-
 From: Graham Love [mailto:love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk]
 Sent: 26 January 2014 19:19
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

 Good call but not the case. Only one marriage and all children show under 
 the same two parents. Things have got slightly more confusing since I 
 discovered another child - a twin of one already entered. Guess 
 whatthe new child shows as a 2nd cousin 3 times removed whilst her 
 twin shows as a half-2nd cousin 3 times removed.
 Wouldn't all descendants of a half-relative be halves themselves? So I 
 have a half-relative with offspring who show as full-relatives and their 
 childred show as full-relatives (3 of 5) and half-relatives (2 of 5).
 I remain confused!
 Graham

 -Original Message-
 From: Jack Earnshaw [mailto:j...@jearnshaw.me.uk]
 Sent: 26 January 2014 12:53
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

 It sounds as though you have two separate marriages for that
 daughter
 - one having 2 children and the other having the second two. You
 will need to unlink the last two children from the spurious
 marriage and link them to the correct one - then deal with getting
 rid of the second marriage

 Jack

 -Original Message-
 From: Graham Love [mailto:love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk]
 Sent: 25 January 2014 14:19
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships

 Now this is me, just odd or a bug

 I have a half 3rd great grandaunt, Louisa Love, who married and had 2 
 daughters. Both children are shown as 1st cousins 4 times removed. The 
 youngest married and had 4 children

Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Graham Love]

I don't doubt this is what is happening, I'm just challenging the logic of it. 
I don't know the birth times of any of the twins in my family so they appear in 
the list alphabetically. In my view both twins should have the same PP flag 
although I appreciate this is an isolated and possibly complex computing 
problem to solve.
Graham

Sent from my iPad

 On 28 Jan 2014, at 16:38, Gene Young n2...@cfl.rr.com wrote:

 On 1/28/2014 11:26 AM, Graham Love wrote:
 Now I'm more confused than when I started :) - perhaps I didn't explain it 
 well enough. The first twin in the list has a correct PP ( birth too long 
 after prev child) being born some while after the previous child. The second 
 twin born the same day does not - I don't expect a PP for birth too soon for 
 the second twin. My comment was about the logic of that situation - if both 
 children were born on the same day how can only one have a PP - they were 
 both born some time after the previous child. A minor point I realise.
 Graham

 Legacy is only checking against the child immediately preceding.  The child 
 with the PP is being compared to the preceding one.  The second twin is being 
 compared to the first twin.  Legacy recognizes it is a twin and gives no 
 problem indication.  The second twin is never compared to the same child the 
 first twin is being compared to.



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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Graham Love]

Sorry, yes did that and made no difference. I have now also run set 
relationships from every person in the family group. All show correctly but 
when I run it for the relationship to me they revert to the full/half. I have 
also since checked the children of the other daughter of my half-3rd great 
grandaunt - they also show half-2nd cousin 3 times removed for the son and 2nd 
cousin 3 times removed for the daughter.
Graham
PS Another issue I've just noticed since adding the twin yesterday is that the 
twin brother correctly has a potential problem flag ( birth too long after prev 
child) but the twin daughter does not. Not a bug as such I guess but I presume 
this would vary depending on the name, and hence order, of each child. The 
'correct' option of course would be to have both flagged.
G

-Original Message-
From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: 27 January 2014 15:21
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

One thing you do not report doing is running set relationships after adding all 
these people. Do that then report how the relationships show.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com


On 27 Jan 2014 10:04 AM, Graham Love wrote:
 Still no answer to this - I've unlinked and relinked  and run file 
 maintenenace. The only other observation is that all daughters show as 2nd 
 cousins 3 times removed and all sons show as half-2nd cousins 3 times removed.
 Graham

 -Original Message-
 From: Graham Love [mailto:love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk]
 Sent: 26 January 2014 19:19
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

 Good call but not the case. Only one marriage and all children show under the 
 same two parents. Things have got slightly more confusing since I discovered 
 another child - a twin of one already entered. Guess whatthe new child 
 shows as a 2nd cousin 3 times removed whilst her twin shows as a half-2nd 
 cousin 3 times removed.
 Wouldn't all descendants of a half-relative be halves themselves? So I have a 
 half-relative with offspring who show as full-relatives and their childred 
 show as full-relatives (3 of 5) and half-relatives (2 of 5).
 I remain confused!
 Graham

 -Original Message-
 From: Jack Earnshaw [mailto:j...@jearnshaw.me.uk]
 Sent: 26 January 2014 12:53
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

 It sounds as though you have two separate marriages for that daughter
 - one having 2 children and the other having the second two. You will
 need to unlink the last two children from the spurious marriage and
 link them to the correct one - then deal with getting rid of the
 second marriage

 Jack

 -Original Message-
 From: Graham Love [mailto:love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk]
 Sent: 25 January 2014 14:19
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships

 Now this is me, just odd or a bug

 I have a half 3rd great grandaunt, Louisa Love, who married and had 2 
 daughters. Both children are shown as 1st cousins 4 times removed. The 
 youngest married and had 4 children. The first 2 are shown as 2nd cousins 3 
 times removed and the last 2 are shown as half-2nd cousins 3 times removed.
 The first 2 were entered before I upgraded to V8 and the last 2 added since.
 Graham Love





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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Graham Love]

Still no answer to this - I've unlinked and relinked  and run file 
maintenenace. The only other observation is that all daughters show as 2nd 
cousins 3 times removed and all sons show as half-2nd cousins 3 times removed.
Graham

-Original Message-
From: Graham Love [mailto:love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: 26 January 2014 19:19
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

Good call but not the case. Only one marriage and all children show under the 
same two parents. Things have got slightly more confusing since I discovered 
another child - a twin of one already entered. Guess whatthe new child 
shows as a 2nd cousin 3 times removed whilst her twin shows as a half-2nd 
cousin 3 times removed.
Wouldn't all descendants of a half-relative be halves themselves? So I have a 
half-relative with offspring who show as full-relatives and their childred show 
as full-relatives (3 of 5) and half-relatives (2 of 5).
I remain confused!
Graham

-Original Message-
From: Jack Earnshaw [mailto:j...@jearnshaw.me.uk]
Sent: 26 January 2014 12:53
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

It sounds as though you have two separate marriages for that daughter - one 
having 2 children and the other having the second two. You will need to unlink 
the last two children from the spurious marriage and link them to the correct 
one - then deal with getting rid of the second marriage

Jack

-Original Message-
From: Graham Love [mailto:love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: 25 January 2014 14:19
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships

Now this is me, just odd or a bug

I have a half 3rd great grandaunt, Louisa Love, who married and had 2 
daughters. Both children are shown as 1st cousins 4 times removed. The youngest 
married and had 4 children. The first 2 are shown as 2nd cousins 3 times 
removed and the last 2 are shown as half-2nd cousins 3 times removed.
The first 2 were entered before I upgraded to V8 and the last 2 added since.
Graham Love





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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Brian/Support]

One thing you do not report doing is running set relationships after
adding all these people. Do that then report how the relationships show.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com


On 27 Jan 2014 10:04 AM, Graham Love wrote:
 Still no answer to this - I've unlinked and relinked  and run file 
 maintenenace. The only other observation is that all daughters show as 2nd 
 cousins 3 times removed and all sons show as half-2nd cousins 3 times removed.
 Graham

 -Original Message-
 From: Graham Love [mailto:love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk]
 Sent: 26 January 2014 19:19
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

 Good call but not the case. Only one marriage and all children show under the 
 same two parents. Things have got slightly more confusing since I discovered 
 another child - a twin of one already entered. Guess whatthe new child 
 shows as a 2nd cousin 3 times removed whilst her twin shows as a half-2nd 
 cousin 3 times removed.
 Wouldn't all descendants of a half-relative be halves themselves? So I have a 
 half-relative with offspring who show as full-relatives and their childred 
 show as full-relatives (3 of 5) and half-relatives (2 of 5).
 I remain confused!
 Graham

 -Original Message-
 From: Jack Earnshaw [mailto:j...@jearnshaw.me.uk]
 Sent: 26 January 2014 12:53
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

 It sounds as though you have two separate marriages for that daughter - one 
 having 2 children and the other having the second two. You will need to 
 unlink the last two children from the spurious marriage and link them to the 
 correct one - then deal with getting rid of the second marriage

 Jack

 -Original Message-
 From: Graham Love [mailto:love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk]
 Sent: 25 January 2014 14:19
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships

 Now this is me, just odd or a bug

 I have a half 3rd great grandaunt, Louisa Love, who married and had 2 
 daughters. Both children are shown as 1st cousins 4 times removed. The 
 youngest married and had 4 children. The first 2 are shown as 2nd cousins 3 
 times removed and the last 2 are shown as half-2nd cousins 3 times removed.
 The first 2 were entered before I upgraded to V8 and the last 2 added since.
 Graham Love





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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Brian/Support]

OK, I have confirmed this is a problem. The correct half relationships
are for males the incorrect relationships missing the half were all for
females as you reported. I have entered a problem report to have this fixed.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

On 27 Jan 2014 10:54 AM, Graham Love wrote:
 Sorry, yes did that and made no difference. I have now also run set 
 relationships from every person in the family group. All show correctly but 
 when I run it for the relationship to me they revert to the full/half. I have 
 also since checked the children of the other daughter of my half-3rd great 
 grandaunt - they also show half-2nd cousin 3 times removed for the son and 
 2nd cousin 3 times removed for the daughter.
 Graham
 PS Another issue I've just noticed since adding the twin yesterday is that 
 the twin brother correctly has a potential problem flag ( birth too long 
 after prev child) but the twin daughter does not. Not a bug as such I guess 
 but I presume this would vary depending on the name, and hence order, of each 
 child. The 'correct' option of course would be to have both flagged.
 G

 -Original Message-
 From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
 Sent: 27 January 2014 15:21
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

 One thing you do not report doing is running set relationships after adding 
 all these people. Do that then report how the relationships show.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com


 On 27 Jan 2014 10:04 AM, Graham Love wrote:
 Still no answer to this - I've unlinked and relinked  and run file 
 maintenenace. The only other observation is that all daughters show as 2nd 
 cousins 3 times removed and all sons show as half-2nd cousins 3 times 
 removed.
 Graham

 -Original Message-
 From: Graham Love [mailto:love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk]
 Sent: 26 January 2014 19:19
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

 Good call but not the case. Only one marriage and all children show under 
 the same two parents. Things have got slightly more confusing since I 
 discovered another child - a twin of one already entered. Guess whatthe 
 new child shows as a 2nd cousin 3 times removed whilst her twin shows as a 
 half-2nd cousin 3 times removed.
 Wouldn't all descendants of a half-relative be halves themselves? So I have 
 a half-relative with offspring who show as full-relatives and their childred 
 show as full-relatives (3 of 5) and half-relatives (2 of 5).
 I remain confused!
 Graham

 -Original Message-
 From: Jack Earnshaw [mailto:j...@jearnshaw.me.uk]
 Sent: 26 January 2014 12:53
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

 It sounds as though you have two separate marriages for that daughter
 - one having 2 children and the other having the second two. You will
 need to unlink the last two children from the spurious marriage and
 link them to the correct one - then deal with getting rid of the
 second marriage

 Jack

 -Original Message-
 From: Graham Love [mailto:love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk]
 Sent: 25 January 2014 14:19
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships

 Now this is me, just odd or a bug

 I have a half 3rd great grandaunt, Louisa Love, who married and had 2 
 daughters. Both children are shown as 1st cousins 4 times removed. The 
 youngest married and had 4 children. The first 2 are shown as 2nd cousins 3 
 times removed and the last 2 are shown as half-2nd cousins 3 times removed.
 The first 2 were entered before I upgraded to V8 and the last 2 added since.
 Graham Love





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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Jack Earnshaw]

It sounds as though you have two separate marriages for that daughter - one 
having 2 children and the other having the second two. You will need to unlink 
the last two children from the spurious marriage and link them to the correct 
one - then deal with getting rid of the second marriage

Jack

-Original Message-
From: Graham Love [mailto:love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: 25 January 2014 14:19
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships

Now this is me, just odd or a bug

I have a half 3rd great grandaunt, Louisa Love, who married and had 2
daughters. Both children are shown as 1st cousins 4 times removed. The
youngest married and had 4 children. The first 2 are shown as 2nd cousins 3
times removed and the last 2 are shown as half-2nd cousins 3 times removed.
The first 2 were entered before I upgraded to V8 and the last 2 added since.
Graham Love




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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Graham Love]

Good call but not the case. Only one marriage and all children show under the 
same two parents. Things have got slightly more confusing since I discovered 
another child - a twin of one already entered. Guess whatthe new child 
shows as a 2nd cousin 3 times removed whilst her twin shows as a half-2nd 
cousin 3 times removed.
Wouldn't all descendants of a half-relative be halves themselves? So I have a 
half-relative with offspring who show as full-relatives and their childred show 
as full-relatives (3 of 5) and half-relatives (2 of 5).
I remain confused!
Graham

-Original Message-
From: Jack Earnshaw [mailto:j...@jearnshaw.me.uk]
Sent: 26 January 2014 12:53
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

It sounds as though you have two separate marriages for that daughter - one 
having 2 children and the other having the second two. You will need to unlink 
the last two children from the spurious marriage and link them to the correct 
one - then deal with getting rid of the second marriage

Jack

-Original Message-
From: Graham Love [mailto:love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: 25 January 2014 14:19
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships

Now this is me, just odd or a bug

I have a half 3rd great grandaunt, Louisa Love, who married and had 2 
daughters. Both children are shown as 1st cousins 4 times removed. The youngest 
married and had 4 children. The first 2 are shown as 2nd cousins 3 times 
removed and the last 2 are shown as half-2nd cousins 3 times removed.
The first 2 were entered before I upgraded to V8 and the last 2 added since.
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[LegacyUG] Relationships

[Graham Love]

Now this is me, just odd or a bug

I have a half 3rd great grandaunt, Louisa Love, who married and had 2
daughters. Both children are shown as 1st cousins 4 times removed. The
youngest married and had 4 children. The first 2 are shown as 2nd cousins 3
times removed and the last 2 are shown as half-2nd cousins 3 times removed.
The first 2 were entered before I upgraded to V8 and the last 2 added since.
Graham Love




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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Brian/Support]

In any file where there are marriages between relatives, distant cousins
for example, there are multiple links to the common ancestors of the
cousins for all their descendants. One link is through the male and the
other through the female. Now imagine that the common ancestors are the
great grandparents of one member and the Grandparents of the other. Now
one link has an extra generation. it is not an error just a fact of life
when relative lines intermarry.

In my own file there are about 10 examples where 1st cousins married and
a couple of cases where 2nd or 3rd cousins married. I am both nth cousin
and (n+1)th cousin to the people on those lines. I am not sure if there
are any where there is the kind of generational difference in your file
but if all the links are legitimate then this double relationship is normal.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
--

On 07-May-13 6:50 PM, Nannette-Gmail wrote:
 Rats...now I have to figure that one out! What in the world happened! Thanks 
 Jay1 and Brian...I checked the relationship and sure enough...there are two 
 links...haven't a clue what I did...I'll look again tomorrow morning when my 
 mind is clear!

 Nannette


 -Original Message-
 From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 4:18 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

 Are there multiple links to those people from the starting person. In those 
 cases it is entirely possible that they are 8th Great Grandparents but on two 
 different paths. The second set are 8th Great GrParents on one path but also 
 9th on the path you are following. Legacy always reports the shortest direct 
 line relationship so the 8th  Gr GrParent shows even when you are on the path 
 where they are 9th. There should be a + sign beside their relationship above 
 the names, Click that to see the other path(s).

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
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[LegacyUG] Relationships

[Nannette-Gmail]

I have one family file that is not calculating the family relationships
correctly. I have run the check maintenance. Cleared the relationships.
Reset the relationships.But each time 2 generations are coming up as 8th
Great Grandparents. Any ideas what I might need to fix? Note: I have 4 main
family files that I update and add to, they are all separate families.



Thanks,

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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Brian/Support]

Are there multiple links to those people from the starting person. In
those cases it is entirely possible that they are 8th Great Grandparents
but on two different paths. The second set are 8th Great GrParents on
one path but also 9th on the path you are following. Legacy always
reports the shortest direct line relationship so the 8th  Gr GrParent
shows even when you are on the path where they are 9th. There should be
a + sign beside their relationship above the names, Click that to see
the other path(s).

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
--

On 07-May-13 4:31 PM, Nannette-Gmail wrote:
 I have one family file that is not calculating the family relationships
 correctly. I have run the check maintenance. Cleared the relationships.
 Reset the relationships…But each time 2 generations are coming up as
 8^th Great Grandparents. Any ideas what I might need to fix? Note: I
 have 4 main family files that I update and add to, they are all separate
 families.

 Thanks,

 /Nannette /



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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Nannette-Gmail]

Rats...now I have to figure that one out! What in the world happened! Thanks 
Jay1 and Brian...I checked the relationship and sure enough...there are two 
links...haven't a clue what I did...I'll look again tomorrow morning when my 
mind is clear!

Nannette


-Original Message-
From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 4:18 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

Are there multiple links to those people from the starting person. In those 
cases it is entirely possible that they are 8th Great Grandparents but on two 
different paths. The second set are 8th Great GrParents on one path but also 
9th on the path you are following. Legacy always reports the shortest direct 
line relationship so the 8th  Gr GrParent shows even when you are on the path 
where they are 9th. There should be a + sign beside their relationship above 
the names, Click that to see the other path(s).

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
--

On 07-May-13 4:31 PM, Nannette-Gmail wrote:
 I have one family file that is not calculating the family
 relationships correctly. I have run the check maintenance. Cleared the 
 relationships.
 Reset the relationships…But each time 2 generations are coming up as
 8^th Great Grandparents. Any ideas what I might need to fix? Note: I
 have 4 main family files that I update and add to, they are all
 separate families.

 Thanks,

 /Nannette /



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RE: [LegacyUG] relationships

[Ron Ferguson]

Brian,

Sherry explained in her post that [at the request of users] additional 
functionality was added which would have significantly slowed down data entry.

Sure, we now have multi core processors available, but how many users actually 
have a multicore PC, I would venture to say probably only a minority. Why do I 
say that, because as any website developer will tell you users are still using 
antiquated versions of IE.


Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
GOONS #5307


Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com wrote:

That brings up a question that has been bouncing off the few brain cells I 
have left for quite a long time now. Before  the first introduction of v7.0 
(or maybe it was v6.0), the relationship calculation in Legacy used to be done 
automatically in real time. Since then, its required that manual intervention 
stop that Sherry described. I'm wonderingwhy was that changed? I'm 
thinking that back in those old days of single core processors, it might 
have been too taxing of a calculation without creating some lag in system 
performance. But given the extra horsepower found in today's processors, why 
can't it be changed back to an automatic real-time calculation?

Brian in CA


-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:11 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] relationships

To see relationships between two individuals go to Tools  Relationship 
Calculator.

This is independent of who you have set as the basis when you go to Tools  
Set Relationships.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree




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Re: [LegacyUG] relationships

[Confused]

On 10/11/2012 11:15 AM, Sherry/Support wrote:
 Not everyone has newer computers with dual-core processors or even
 Windows Vista or Win7- we have a lot of users still on older XP
 computers.

XP, Single Core, 1.2 Ghz, 40GIG Hard drive, Junky video card, 15
Monitor, 6 years old. Legacy Loads slow, but at least it purrs like a
kitten.

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Re: [LegacyUG] relationships

[Sherry/Support]

To see relationships between two individuals go to Tools 
Relationship Calculator.

This is independent of who you have set as the basis when you go to
Tools  Set Relationships.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Marilyn LYLE maril...@msn.com wrote:
 I am trying to find out how to show relationships between people.  I assume 
 one person has to be chosen and then something set to show how each person is 
 related to that person.  How do you do that to make it show on the data 
 screen?
 Marilyn Lyle
 maril...@msn.com



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RE: [LegacyUG] relationships

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

That brings up a question that has been bouncing off the few brain cells I have 
left for quite a long time now. Before  the first introduction of v7.0 (or 
maybe it was v6.0), the relationship calculation in Legacy used to be done 
automatically in real time. Since then, its required that manual intervention 
stop that Sherry described. I'm wonderingwhy was that changed? I'm thinking 
that back in those old days of single core processors, it might have been too 
taxing of a calculation without creating some lag in system performance. But 
given the extra horsepower found in today's processors, why can't it be changed 
back to an automatic real-time calculation?

Brian in CA


-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:11 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] relationships

To see relationships between two individuals go to Tools  Relationship 
Calculator.

This is independent of who you have set as the basis when you go to Tools  Set 
Relationships.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree





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Re: [LegacyUG] relationships

[Sherry/Support]

Because the calculation with the additon of non-blood relationships
was more complex and takes a lot longer. The programmers felt it would
be disruptive to data entry - and better to run the Set Relationships
after entering the new individuals.

Not everyone has newer computers with dual-core processors or even
Windows Vista or Win7- we have a lot of users still on older XP
computers.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Brian L. Lightfoot
br...@the-lightfoots.com wrote:
 That brings up a question that has been bouncing off the few brain cells I 
 have left for quite a long time now. Before  the first introduction of v7.0 
 (or maybe it was v6.0), the relationship calculation in Legacy used to be 
 done automatically in real time. Since then, its required that manual 
 intervention stop that Sherry described. I'm wonderingwhy was that 
 changed? I'm thinking that back in those old days of single core 
 processors, it might have been too taxing of a calculation without creating 
 some lag in system performance. But given the extra horsepower found in 
 today's processors, why can't it be changed back to an automatic real-time 
 calculation?

 Brian in CA



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Re: [LegacyUG] relationships

[Wendy Howard]

Tools  Set Relationships

Note that you can change the starting person, you don't have to navigate
to that person first.

Consider the options available, then click on Set Relationships and wait
while it does its thing.

When it's done, the relationship of the husband and wife to the starting
person will show above the husband and wife boxes in Family View.

You can change this whenever you like - I often switch between myself
and my husband as the starting person, depending on which area of the
tree I'm looking at.

Note that these relationships are not updated as you add more people -
you need to run Set Relationships again to update this.

Hope this helps.  :-)

Kind Regards,
Wendy


Marilyn LYLE said the following on 11/10/2012 12:15 p.m.:
 I am trying to find out how to show relationships between people.  I assume 
 one person has to be chosen and then something set to show how each person is 
 related to that person.  How do you do that to make it show on the data 
 screen?
 Marilyn Lyle



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Re: [LegacyUG] relationships

[Susan Perrett]

Select your person, e.g. yourself, go to Tools - Set Relationship,
then everyone in your database will have how they are related to you
in the gap between yourself and your parents. There is a little
window for you to make certain selections.

At 10:15 AM 11/10/2012, you wrote:
I am trying to find out how to show relationships between people.  I
assume one person has to be chosen and then something set to show
how each person is related to that person.  How do you do that to
make it show on the data screen?
Marilyn Lyle
maril...@msn.com



Susan Perrett
Melbourne, Australia
English webpage: http://www.st.net.au/~susanp/index.html
American webpage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~susanp
Research: ALSTON-Suffolk/Bedford/America,post 1850, BOURCHIER-UK,
post 1650, CHUDLEIGH-Devon, All, HOLTTUM-Kent,pre
1720,MARTEN-Sussex,pre 1660, OXENDEN-Kent, All.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships in GEDCOM

[Sherry/Support]

There isn't a gedcom tag for Relationships between individuals, just
Relationship to Father (FREL) and Relationship to Mother (MREL) - used
to indicate whether the child is biological, adopted, foster, etc.

Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Karen and Jim sindbe...@att.net wrote:
 Hi Listers,

 Every so often I send my GEDCOM file
 out to a free service which compares
 it with others who have done the same.

 What I would like to do is have my
 relationship to my blood relatives
 show up on the GEDCOM.  I.e., there
 would be a note on my father's GEDCOM record
 that he is my father.

 Any suggestions?

 JimS
 Legacy v.5 Deluxe



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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships in GEDCOM

[Karen and Jim]

Thanks Sherry,

I've been using Event in Events/Facts
and that has worked well.  It may not
be the correct use of Event, but
I couldn't find anything else.  It is labor
intensive as I have to do one person
at a time.  Using the REPEAT button helps.
I don't use Event clipboard for just 2 lines
per individual.

Originally I thought I could make my own
Events/Facts catagorie and call it Facts
or ???  Would that have worked?  I didn't
test it as yet with the service I'm using.
I don't if GEDCOM will accept it.

History:
For the past several years I have
emailed my GEDCOM to GEDCOMP
a GEDCOM comparison service.
I think it is something like the
GENMatcher program Legacy advertizes.
GEDCOMP is a free service.  Also it makes
recommendations on improving/correcting
my GEDCOM and gives me 5 days to
make changes if I want, before GEDCOMP
compares my GEDCOM to others and
emails me the results.
Events worked with GEDCOMP.

Goal: I would like those who receive my matches,
to be able to know when my people are my blood relatives.
I've found some distance cousins.  I hope
to find more.

BTW, do you know of any other people
offering a free matching service?

JimS


On 09/21/2012 01:08 PM, Sherry/Support wrote:
 There isn't a gedcom tag for Relationships between individuals, just
 Relationship to Father (FREL) and Relationship to Mother (MREL) - used
 to indicate whether the child is biological, adopted, foster, etc.

 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree


 On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Karen and Jimsindbe...@att.net  wrote:

 Hi Listers,

 Every so often I send my GEDCOM file
 out to a free service which compares
 it with others who have done the same.

 What I would like to do is have my
 relationship to my blood relatives
 show up on the GEDCOM.  I.e., there
 would be a note on my father's GEDCOM record
 that he is my father.

 Any suggestions?

 JimS
 Legacy v.5 Deluxe







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[LegacyUG] Relationships in GEDCOM

[Karen and Jim]

Hi Listers,

Every so often I send my GEDCOM file
out to a free service which compares
it with others who have done the same.

What I would like to do is have my
relationship to my blood relatives
show up on the GEDCOM.  I.e., there
would be a note on my father's GEDCOM record
that he is my father.

Any suggestions?

JimS
Legacy v.5 Deluxe



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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

[Paula Ryburn]

Thx Brian for that thump on the forehead - I did know that.  You made me re-read
it, and then I learned a bit more! 
 --Paula in Texas
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Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner
Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams






From: Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 8:38:11 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

If I am reading this thread correctly the comments you refer to are
comments on a source or source detail. Those will only appear, if they
are set to be included in reports, with the source citation which can be
included:

As a footnote on the page
As a citation at the end of a Generation (if the report is organized
that way), or
As a citation at the end of the report.

Brian
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On 18/07/2011 6:06 PM, Paula Ryburn wrote:
 Do these comments show on reports? Near the individuals? Thx.
 --Paula in Texas


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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

[Brian/Support]

If I am reading this thread correctly the comments you refer to are
comments on a source or source detail. Those will only appear, if they
are set to be included in reports, with the source citation which can be
included:

As a footnote on the page
As a citation at the end of a Generation (if the report is organized
that way), or
As a citation at the end of the report.

Brian
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On 18/07/2011 6:06 PM, Paula Ryburn wrote:
 Do these comments show on reports? Near the individuals? Thx.
 --Paula in Texas


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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

[Paula Ryburn]

Do these comments show on reports?  Near the individuals?  Thx.
 --Paula in Texas
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Goodale Gordon Gump Harbaugh Hopkins Hughes Jones Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner
Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sullivan Williams






From: Brett McL Robinson b...@vodafone.co.nz
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Cc: Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net
Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 4:01:26 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

Hi Kirsten

I have just tested a Gedcom basic format and the comments I made in the
source citation were included in the export. Did you ensure that this
item was ticked for attachment to the citation or ticked to include at
the prompt during the export?

Cheers, Brett
B McL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand


On 27/06/2011 5:04 p.m., Kirsten Bowman wrote:
 Brett:

 I found to my dismay that comments in the Source Detail don't transfer with a
GEDCOM--which I use for posting online.  I don't know if that's important to
you, or if it's been changed with a recent update (I was on an earlier 7.xx
version then and haven't re-tested lately), but thought I'd mention it.

 Kirsten

 -Original Message-
 From: Brett McL Robinson [mailto:b...@vodafone.co.nz]
 Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 7:20 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Cc: Luis Salreta
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level


 Hi Luis

 I use the Comments about this Citation (in the Source Detail) to explain why
things may not be as they seem - usually relating to the reliability or 
accuracy
of the citation. The Comment is specific to the detail of the citation, so you
can comment about the source being used in support of one fact differently to
the way you might when used with a different fact - eg the source may be
reliable for the name but not the date. I also use the numbers for the surety
level as a rough indication.

 Cheers, Brett
 B McL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand




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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

[Paula Ryburn]

Even with a number indicating your personal surety level on the relationship,
the question remains where to put your reasoning notes, right?

When relationship is unproven, I will enter the person(s) and enter my
reasoning in Research Notes, which do appear on reports, attaching sources to
that field.

Excellent original question and discussion--thanks all!
 --Paula in Texas
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From: Luis Salreta luisalr...@clix.pt
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 12:25:45 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

Sorry but i'm not receiving the mails so I can´t answer directly

Thanks for ll the opinions.
I use notes but they are all mixed in the same place.
The example I gave is the simplest (and is an example not a real case).
 I have lots of cases where the missing link is to the grandparents that only
show in the marriage of some (or only one) of the grandsons.
I still think it would be more neat with a relationship surety level. All
the solutions are a bit klundge so I think the program needs to address this.

You could also imagine in the ancestor or descendant maps, the thickness of the
relationship line dependent of the surety level...
Very friendly is'nt it? :-)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

[Brett McL Robinson]

Hi Kirsten

I have just tested a Gedcom basic format and the comments I made in the
source citation were included in the export. Did you ensure that this
item was ticked for attachment to the citation or ticked to include at
the prompt during the export?

Cheers, Brett
B McL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand


On 27/06/2011 5:04 p.m., Kirsten Bowman wrote:
 Brett:

 I found to my dismay that comments in the Source Detail don't transfer with a 
 GEDCOM--which I use for posting online.  I don't know if that's important to 
 you, or if it's been changed with a recent update (I was on an earlier 7.xx 
 version then and haven't re-tested lately), but thought I'd mention it.

 Kirsten

 -Original Message-
 From: Brett McL Robinson [mailto:b...@vodafone.co.nz]
 Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 7:20 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Cc: Luis Salreta
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level


 Hi Luis

 I use the Comments about this Citation (in the Source Detail) to explain why 
 things may not be as they seem - usually relating to the reliability or 
 accuracy of the citation. The Comment is specific to the detail of the 
 citation, so you can comment about the source being used in support of one 
 fact differently to the way you might when used with a different fact - eg 
 the source may be reliable for the name but not the date. I also use the 
 numbers for the surety level as a rough indication.

 Cheers, Brett
 B McL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand




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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

[Luis Salreta]

Thank you all for the various solutions proposed.
I still believe that this needs a real program solution.
All the solutions are, as we say in Portugal, "desenrascanços" (see in google) or "MacGyverism" (we use what we have at hand to resolve the problem)

Thanks

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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

[Dennis M . Kowallek]

I missed the original post because it was not plain text. But this topic
interests me as an analyst/programmer so I thought I would add my
$0.02...

***

The OP makes a good point. If you look at the GENTECH Genealogical Data
Model (GDM)...

http://members.ngsgenealogy.org/GENTECH_Data_Model/Diagram_GENTECH_Data_Model_1.0.pdf

...the confidence/surety goes with the assertion, not the citation.

Think about it. A citation (the link between an assertion and a source)
is a statement like...

Assertion A came from Source B

Does it make sense to assign a surety level to that statement? Are you
questioning the fact that assertion A came from source B? No.

What you are questioning is the assertion itself. Therefore the
surety/confidence belongs with said assertion.

Luis' example is a little complicated because it actually consists of 3
assertions...

A1: Jake is the son of John Salreta and Maryann (list sources)
A2: Jake is the son of John Salreta and Marylu (other sources)
A3: These Jakes are the same person (source is Luis - this is his
conclusion - notice the GDM provides a field for Rationale)

A1 and A2 may have very high surety levels. A3 may be somewhat lower as
Luis is not 100% positive of his conclusion.

Interesting stuff!

--

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NOTE TO LUG USERS: Use plain text if you want me to read your post.

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Luis Salreta luisalr...@clix.pt wrote:
 Hi

 I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition)
 and belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese.

 Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I
 would like to know what you do in similar situations.

 If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the
 relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death
 certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get many times
 the grandparents).

 But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that
 we don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the
 relationship is more uncertain.

 For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have
 the marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the
 documents and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I
 could I would put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents)
 surety level. (sorry for the poor names :-).

 So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and maybe
 one “comment” field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts.

 I’m not referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers to
 the confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's
 the way i'm using it).

 I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found
 was in the thread ‘How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor’ and don't like
 the solutions proposed. I think they are klunges.



 What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

[Luis Salreta]

OK let’s see if I can make myself clear

Let's use a very simple military example:
I have several source of intelligence that gives me some information.
I collect the information about related subjects and build one conclusion.
This conclusion is weighted based on the credibility of the sources and of the
information.
So I have 3 weights/probabilities - confidence in the source, confidence in the
information given by the source and confidence in the conclusion I made.

Assuming that the first two are mixed in the present source surety level what I
need/want is a surety level for my conclusion (a measure for my “educated”
guess!). And the conclusion is basically the definition of a relationship 
between
2 persons.

Of course each user gives a different subjective value to the levels 1 to 5 (and
it differs with time) but still and don't need to worry with levels 4 or 5 and
levels 3 or less must be researched.

And I agree that is always necessary an explanation of the “educated” guess.
I don’t know in other countries what sources of information they have but in
Portugal, except for the “blue blood” families, the main (and almost only) 
source
are the Church records, so I can’t wait to obtain more information from other
sources, to put people in the family tree.

L.Salreta
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[LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

[Luis Salreta]

Hi
I am Legacy
user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition) and belong to
the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese.



Of course I
like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I would like to
know what you do in similar situations.



If we have
all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the relationships
with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death certificates (in the
Portuguese church records, we can also get many times the grandparents).



But
sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that we
don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the
relationship is more uncertain.For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have the marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the documents and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I could I would put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents) surety level. (sorry for the poor names :-).




So, what
I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and maybe one “comment”
field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts.



I’m not
referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers to the
confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's the way i'm using it).



I’ve
already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found was in
the thread ‘How to represent a "Best Fit" Ancestor’ and don't like the solutions proposed. I think they are "klunges".



What I’m
asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem.



Luis
Salreta (sorry for
my English)




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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

[cranberryfrog]

Luis,
Your English is very good!  When I am sure of a parent-child relationship but I 
just can’t prove it, I go ahead and link them in legacy and then in the notes I 
explain all of my circumstantial evidence [evidências circunstanciais] 
explaining why I think I am right.  This is how I do it.

Michele



From: Luis Salreta
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 8:31 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

Hi


I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition) and 
belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese.

Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I 
would like to know what you do in similar situations.

If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the 
relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death 
certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get many times the 
grandparents).

But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that we 
don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the 
relationship is more uncertain.

For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have the 
marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the documents 
and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I could I would 
put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents) surety level. (sorry 
for the poor names :-).


So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and maybe one 
“comment” field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts.

I’m not referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers to the 
confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's the 
way i'm using it).

I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found was 
in the thread ‘How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor’ and don't like the 
solutions proposed. I think they are klunges.



What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem.



Luis Salreta (sorry for my English)




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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

[Terri Brown]

Luis,

I have added a child status of Challenged. I use the Research Notes of the
child to present my arguements. The child status can be set to show on
the Family view by going to  the View tab in Options  Customize.

If I am certain of one parent but not the other, I use a Relationship to Mother
(or Father) status of Challenged. Unfortunately the relationship status does
not show on the Family view.

Terri




From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 9:08:16 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level


Luis,
Your English is very good!  When I am sure of a parent-child relationship but I
just can’t prove it, I go ahead and link them in legacy and then in the notes I
explain all of my circumstantial evidence [evidências circunstanciais]
explaining why I think I am right.  This is how I do it.
 
Michele
 
 

From: Luis Salreta
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 8:31 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level
Hi

I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition) and
belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese.
Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I would
like to know what you do in similar situations.
If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the
relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death
certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get many times the
grandparents).
But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that we
don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the
relationship is more uncertain.
For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have the
marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the documents
and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I could I would
put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents) surety level. (sorry
for the poor names :-).

So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and maybe one
“comment” field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts.
I’m not referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers to the
confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's the way
i'm using it).
I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found was
in the thread ‘How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor’ and don't like the
solutions proposed. I think they are klunges.
 
What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem.
 
Luis Salreta (sorry for my English)
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

[Ron Ferguson]

Terri,

Is that not the wrong description? I would suggest that in the case quoted it 
should be “Not Proven” rather than “Challenged”, the l,latter meaning that 
somebody has questioned the relationship.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: Terri Brown
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 4:04 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

Luis,

I have added a child status of Challenged. I use the Research Notes of the 
child to present my arguements. The child status can be set to show on the 
Family view by going to  the View tab in Options  Customize.

If I am certain of one parent but not the other, I use a Relationship to Mother 
(or Father) status of Challenged. Unfortunately the relationship status does 
not show on the Family view.

Terri



From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 9:08:16 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level


Luis,
Your English is very good!  When I am sure of a parent-child relationship but I 
just can’t prove it, I go ahead and link them in legacy and then in the notes I 
explain all of my circumstantial evidence [evidências circunstanciais] 
explaining why I think I am right.  This is how I do it.

Michele



From: Luis Salreta
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 8:31 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

Hi


I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition) and 
belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese.

Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I 
would like to know what you do in similar situations.

If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the 
relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death 
certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get many times the 
grandparents).

But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that we 
don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the 
relationship is more uncertain.

For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have the 
marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the documents 
and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I could I would 
put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents) surety level. (sorry 
for the poor names :-).


So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and maybe one 
“comment” field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts.

I’m not referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers to the 
confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's the 
way i'm using it).

I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found was 
in the thread ‘How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor’ and don't like the 
solutions proposed. I think they are klunges.



What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem.



Luis Salreta (sorry for my English)




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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

[Mike Fry]

On 2011/06/26 14:31, Luis Salreta wrote:

 For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have 
 the
 marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the documents
 and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I could I would
 put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents) surety level. 
 (sorry
 for the poor names :-).

Have you actually looked at the original handwriting of the two records? From
transcribing English parish records, I can readily attest that it is very easy
for someone to mis-read a scrawled MaryAnn as MaryLu. Without seeing the
originals, I would have to put a question mark against them referring to the
same couple. However, having seen the originals, I would be better placed to
raise or lower my level of confidence in the two couples being the same.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

[Jacob Psutka]

Luis,

I follow the same as Michele.  I belive that it is more important to list
the individuals and their supposed relationships than to wait until those
relationships have been proven to a gigher surety level.

Jacob Psutka

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Ron Ferguson
ronfergy@tiscali.co.ukwrote:

Terri,

 Is that not the wrong description? I would suggest that in the case quoted
 it should be “Not Proven” rather than “Challenged”, the l,latter meaning
 that somebody has questioned the relationship.

 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/


  *From:* Terri Brown ridge...@yahoo.com
 *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2011 4:04 PM
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

  Luis,

 I have added a child status of Challenged. I use the Research Notes of
 the child to present my arguements. The child status can be set to show on
 the Family view by going to  the View tab in Options  Customize.

 If I am certain of one parent but not the other, I use a Relationship to
 Mother (or Father) status of Challenged. Unfortunately the relationship
 status does not show on the Family view.
 Terri

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 *From:* cranberryf...@cobridge.tv cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Sent:* Sun, June 26, 2011 9:08:16 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

  Luis,
 Your English is very good!  When I am sure of a parent-child relationship
 but I just can’t prove it, I go ahead and link them in legacy and then in
 the notes I explain all of my circumstantial evidence [evidências
 circunstanciais] explaining why I think I am right.  This is how I do it.

 Michele



  *From:* Luis Salreta luisalr...@clix.pt
 *Sent:* Sunday, June 26, 2011 8:31 AM
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level


 Hi

 I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition)
 and belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese.

 Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I
 would like to know what you do in similar situations.

 If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the
 relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death
 certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get many times
 the grandparents).

 But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that
 we don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the
 relationship is more uncertain.

 For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have
 the marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the
 documents and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I
 could I would put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents)
 surety level. (sorry for the poor names :-).

 So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and maybe
 one “comment” field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts.

 I’m not referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers to
 the confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's
 the way i'm using it).

 I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found
 was in the thread ‘How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor’ and don't like
 the solutions proposed. I think they are klunges.



 What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem.



 Luis Salreta (sorry for my English)




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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

[Eliz Hanebury]

I put Maybe Not in the name field, it stands out like a bright light
G But then I use a lot of ??? and then in my events I might say
this looks right or this may be he. I like things I can spot from
afar.

I also have a tree that includes all the people I find in Cleveland
Ohio from the Malmesbury area, I had so many with my family and found
dozens more in the Necrology and Ohio death Certificates so a lot of
??? appear there too.



Eliz

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Luis Salreta luisalr...@clix.pt wrote:
 Hi

 I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition)
 and belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese.

 Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I
 would like to know what you do in similar situations.

 If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the
 relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death
 certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get many times
 the grandparents).

 But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that
 we don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the
 relationship is more uncertain.

 For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have
 the marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the
 documents and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I
 could I would put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents)
 surety level. (sorry for the poor names :-).

 So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and maybe
 one “comment” field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts.

 I’m not referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers to
 the confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's
 the way i'm using it).

 I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found
 was in the thread ‘How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor’ and don't like
 the solutions proposed. I think they are klunges.



 What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem.



 Luis Salreta (sorry for my English)



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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

[Luis Salreta]

Sorry but i'm not receiving the mails so I can´t answer directly

Thanks for ll the opinions.
I use notes but they are all mixed in the same place.
The example I gave is the simplest (and is an example not a real case).
I have lots of cases where the missing "link" is to the grandparents that only show in the marriage of some (or only one) of the grandsons.
I still think it would be more "neat" with a "relationship" surety level. All the solutions are a bit "klundge" so I think the program needs to address this.

You could also imagine in the ancestor or descendant maps, the thickness of the relationship line dependent of the surety level...
Very friendly is'nt it? :-)

L.Salreta

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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

[sandy keas]

Luis -

I have been following this conversation and find it interesting.  While 
everyone has come up with different ways to deal with the situation - I do like 
the idea of being able to mark the surety level.  I agree that the tree would 
look very nice.

Maybe it is something that Legacy can work on?

Sandy K Keas





From: luisalr...@clix.pt
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 18:25:45 +0100

Sorry but i'm not receiving the mails so I can´t answer directly

Thanks for ll the opinions.
I use notes but they are all mixed in the same place.
The example I gave is the simplest (and is an example not a real case).
 I have lots of cases where the missing link is to the grandparents that only 
show in the marriage of some (or only one) of the grandsons.
I still think it would be more neat with a relationship surety level. All 
the solutions are a bit klundge so I think the program needs to address this.

You could also imagine in the ancestor or descendant maps, the thickness of the 
relationship line dependent of the surety level...
Very friendly is'nt it? :-)

L.Salreta


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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

[Connie Sheets]

I don't believe in assigning numeric surety levels to anything!  What I think 
is a 2 you may think is a 3, and what I think today is a 2, next month I may 
think is a 1.  It's all too subjective.

I discuss conflicting evidence, indirect evidence, etc. in Notes so it is clear 
to me, and hopefully to anyone else reading my work, what my conclusions are 
and how I reached them.

Connie




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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

[Brett McL Robinson]

Hi Luis

I use the Comments about this Citation (in the Source Detail) to explain
why things may not be as they seem - usually relating to the reliability
or accuracy of the citation. The Comment is specific to the detail of
the citation, so you can comment about the source being used in support
of one fact differently to the way you might when used with a different
fact - eg the source may be reliable for the name but not the date. I
also use the numbers for the surety level as a rough indication.

Cheers, Brett
B McL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand


On 27/06/2011 12:31 a.m., Luis Salreta wrote:

 Hi

 I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe
 edition) and belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European
 Portuguese.

 Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing
 and I would like to know what you do in similar situations.

 If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish
 the relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and
 death certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get
 many times the grandparents).

 But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place
 that we don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing
 them and the relationship is more uncertain.

 For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I
 have the marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe
 in the documents and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the
 same? If I could I would put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to
 the parents) surety level. (sorry for the poor names :-).

 So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and
 maybe one “comment” field where I could describe the reasons for my
 doubts.

 I’m not referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers
 to the confidence I have in that document and the information within
 (or that's the way i'm using it).

 I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I
 found was in the thread ‘How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor’ and
 don't like the solutions proposed. I think they are klunges.

 What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem.

 Luis Salreta (sorry for my English)



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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

[Terri Brown]

Ahh, you raise a valid point. One I did not consider. I will have to look at my
challenged individuals again. They may have to be changed to not proven.

Terri





From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 12:01:29 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level


Terri,
 
Is that not the wrong description? I would suggest that in the case quoted it
should be “Not Proven” rather than “Challenged”, the l,latter meaning that
somebody has questioned the relationship.
 
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
 
 
From: Terri Brown
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 4:04 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level
Luis,

I have added a child status of Challenged. I use the Research Notes of the
child to present my arguements. The child status can be set to show on the
Family view by going to  the View tab in Options  Customize.

If I am certain of one parent but not the other, I use a Relationship to Mother
(or Father) status of Challenged. Unfortunately the relationship status does
not show on the Family view.

Terri




From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv cranberryf...@cobridge.tv
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sun, June 26, 2011 9:08:16 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level


Luis,
Your English is very good!  When I am sure of a parent-child relationship but I
just can’t prove it, I go ahead and link them in legacy and then in the notes I
explain all of my circumstantial evidence [evidências circunstanciais]
explaining why I think I am right.  This is how I do it.
 
Michele
 
 

From: Luis Salreta
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 8:31 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level
Hi

I am Legacy user, since version 4 (standard) and version 5 (deluxe edition) and
belong to the team that is translating Legacy to European Portuguese.
Of course I like the program, but there is one thing that is missing and I would
like to know what you do in similar situations.
If we have all the information about a family, it is easy to establish the
relationships with a great certainty, through marriage, birth and death
certificates (in the Portuguese church records, we can also get many times the
grandparents).
But sometimes records are missing or the persons went to another place that we
don’t know, and we have only one or two records referencing them and the
relationship is more uncertain.
For instance I have a Jake son of John Salreta and Maryann. Later on I have the
marriage of Jake (son of John Salreta and Marylu). I believe in the documents
and the information within but are those 2 Jakes the same? If I could I would
put only 3 (max of 5) in the relationship (to the parents) surety level. (sorry
for the poor names :-).

So, what I’m lacking is a “surety level” for the relationships, and maybe one
“comment” field where I could describe the reasons for my doubts.
I’m not referring to the documents “surety level”, because that refers to the
confidence I have in that document and the information within (or that's the way
i'm using it).
I’ve already search the forum for this type of problem and the best I found was
in the thread ‘How to represent a Best Fit Ancestor’ and don't like the
solutions proposed. I think they are klunges.
 
What I’m asking is, if there is the need, how do you address this problem.
 
Luis Salreta (sorry for my English)
 

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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level

[Kirsten Bowman]

Brett:

I found to my dismay that comments in the Source Detail don't transfer with a 
GEDCOM--which I use for posting online.  I don't know if that's important to 
you, or if it's been changed with a recent update (I was on an earlier 7.xx 
version then and haven't re-tested lately), but thought I'd mention it.

Kirsten

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From: Brett McL Robinson [mailto:b...@vodafone.co.nz]
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 7:20 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Cc: Luis Salreta
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships surety level


Hi Luis

I use the Comments about this Citation (in the Source Detail) to explain why 
things may not be as they seem - usually relating to the reliability or 
accuracy of the citation. The Comment is specific to the detail of the 
citation, so you can comment about the source being used in support of one fact 
differently to the way you might when used with a different fact - eg the 
source may be reliable for the name but not the date. I also use the numbers 
for the surety level as a rough indication.

Cheers, Brett
B McL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand




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[LegacyUG] Relationships beyond of marriage

[Thomas Marti]

What is the prefered way to enter two people who live together and have
children, but are not married?
Is there a way to enter such a relationship beyond of marriage?
With the children getting the last name of the mother?

Thanks for any advice!

Thomas Marti







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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships beyond of marriage

[Wendy Howard]

Hi Thomas,

 What is the prefered way to enter two people who live together and
 have children, but are not married?
 Is there a way to enter such a relationship beyond of marriage?
 With the children getting the last name of the mother?

In the Marriage Information you can tick the box This couple did not
marry.

Also in the Marriage Information, you can select a Status to reflect a
term of your preference - for my partner/other half/not-quite-husband
(who I have not married but lived with for 21 years now) and myself,
I've got Common Law selected.  I can't remember if that was already
there or if I added it.  You can add any term you like.

Further down in the Marriage Information window, you can alter the
wording on reports if you don't like how it appears.

Surnames can be over-ridden, so for those children who took the mother's
surname just type in the name they are known/registered as.  If they are
known by both surnames, you can add the other as an AKA.

Hope this helps.  :-)

Kind Regards,
Wendy Howard
(listening to tsunami warnings and progress around the Pacific Ocean on
the radio, following an earthquake in Chile - http://www.radionz.co.nz/ )
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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships beyond of marriage

[EAllynM]

I enter such families as husband and wife initially, then click the check
box for This couple did not marry on the marriage information screen.
Then on the wording options screen I either use the Legacy default wording or
change it to something I like better.

Emily



In a message dated 2/27/2010 3:32:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
tma...@gmx.net writes:

What is the prefered way to enter two people who live together  and have
children, but are not married?
Is there a way to enter such a  relationship beyond of marriage?
With the children getting the last name  of the mother?

Thanks for any advice!

Thomas  Marti







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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships Incorrect

[william . murray . anderson]

No problem with what you are saying, but the original mail stated the 24th GGA 
should have been shown as the 24th GGM.  This was probably a slip-up, but just 
in case I was missing something……..



Bill



From: hstov...@gmail.com [mailto:hstov...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 4:49 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships Incorrect



The person was related in more than one way - she was a 24th GG-Aunt, and a 
27th GGM.   I have lots of people related in more than one way to me.



My 4th GG-Aunt was also married (as a 2nd wife) to my 5th GGF and the 
Daughter of my 5th GGF married my 4th GGF.



(ie, Thomas M had a Sister Ellen M.   Thomas M married Sarah D, who was the 
daughter of Thomas D.   Ellen M married Thomas D.)It gets complicated.



On a totally different line, I had 1st cousins marry each other - so my 6th GGF 
and GGM is my 6th GGF and GGM in 2 different ways.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:48 AM, william.murray.ander...@gmail.com wrote:

I must be missing something!  If she is the sister of your 24th GGF, she surely 
cannot be your 24th GGM, it would be the wife of your 24th GGF who was your 
24th GGM?


Bill



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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships Incorrect

[fourpartz]

I just re-ran my son's line. He was born in the 1970's.Using Blood = 10, 
Non-blood = 0. His great grandfather, Charlemange is 36th gr 1, 37th 10 times; 
born 0747 AD. He was born abt 1040 years before descendant. To help to accept 
that my work 'may' be correct, my (adopted)  son's goes through New England to 
the Mayflower, Then used Burke's Peerage into nobility and royalty. My own line 
can't get past 1500. If you want, Brian, I would glad show my work off line. On 
the same line, my son's gets to 70th generation, which is a more foggy line, 
but gets to Roman Senators, with descendants becoming Kings of the Franks.
Rich in LA CA


- Original Message 
From: br...@the-lightfoots.com br...@the-lightfoots.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 6:41:45 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships Incorrect

My thoughts exactly. But I might also add that starting in version 7.0, the 
relationship calculations must be redone whenever new people are added. It no 
longer does it on the fly as in previous versions. I would suggest to the OP 
that he go back and use the tool to re-calculate relationships to the maximum 
value allowed. I might also add my congratulations on having a database that 
goes back to your 25th Great grandparent. But now I'm starting to wonder if 
that if really plausible. Twenty-five generations back? Good grief, what year 
would that take you to? The year 500? Just wondering.

Brian in CA


-Original Message-
From: william.murray.ander...@gmail.com 
[mailto:william.murray.ander...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:30 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships Incorrect

As a matter of interest, what relationship would you expect to see?

I'd have thought that the sister of your nth GGF would show as your nth GGA, 
that being her state at time of birth.  (but then again I've been wrong before 
and I'm sure I'll be wrong again!).

Bill

-Original Message-
From: wood...@msn.com [mailto:wood...@msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:20 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships Incorrect

I have a 25th GGFather and GGMother with two children, Ralph  Cecily.

Ralph and Cecily are each direct ancestors of mine.  This is shown correctly in 
Legacy by Ancestor Color Coding and by Direct Line bolding.

Ralph is shown as my 24th GGF, married to my 24th GGMother.

BUT,

Cecily is shown as my 24th GGAunt, married to my 27th GGFather.

So I guess Legacy can't figure out what to call my relationship to Cecily, even 
though it knows she is a direct ancestor, as evidenced by the correct Color 
Coding and Direct Line bolding.

So Relationship Calculator is useless for me, because it is not only the far 
distant ancestors where this occurs; those are just easier to find in my 
database.

Is NAMING the correct relationship just too complicated for Legacy?  Is there 
no way this can be fixed?

If this cannot be fixed, PLEASE advise us users accordingly.


CE





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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships Incorrect

[fourpartz]

In 800 years the fact that in some generations, many have 30 years between the 
youngest to the oldest is normal.  (not including multiple marriages that have 
30 years difference between the spouses.)  I have many cousins marrying a 
'different generation', but that won't  actually exist until the great 
grandchildren  married.
Rich in LA CA





From: hstov...@gmail.com hstov...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 8:48:46 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships Incorrect


The person was related in more than one way - she was a 24th GG-Aunt, and a 
27th GGM.   I have lots of people related in more than one way to me.

My 4th GG-Aunt was also married (as a 2nd wife) to my 5th GGF and the 
Daughter of my 5th GGF married my 4th GGF.

(ie, Thomas M had a Sister Ellen M.   Thomas M married Sarah D, who was the 
daughter of Thomas D.   Ellen M married Thomas D.)    It gets complicated.

On a totally different line, I had 1st cousins marry each other - so my 6th GGF 
and GGM is my 6th GGF and GGM in 2 different ways.


On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:48 AM, william.murray.ander...@gmail.com wrote:

I must be missing something!  If she is the sister of your 24th GGF, she surely 
cannot be your 24th GGM, it would be the wife of your 24th GGF who was your 
24th GGM?


Bill


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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships Incorrect

[brian]

No, no need to show me your work. As I said in the message, congrats on getting 
back that far. Many hit that brick wall after 4 or 5 generations.

Brian in CA



-Original Message-
From: fourpa...@verizon.net [mailto:fourpa...@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:27 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships Incorrect

I just re-ran my son's line. He was born in the 1970's.Using Blood = 10, 
Non-blood = 0. His great grandfather, Charlemange is 36th gr 1, 37th 10 times; 
born 0747 AD. He was born abt 1040 years before descendant. To help to accept 
that my work 'may' be correct, my (adopted)  son's goes through New England to 
the Mayflower, Then used Burke's Peerage into nobility and royalty. My own line 
can't get past 1500. If you want, Brian, I would glad show my work off line. On 
the same line, my son's gets to 70th generation, which is a more foggy line, 
but gets to Roman Senators, with descendants becoming Kings of the Franks.
Rich in LA CA


- Original Message 
From: br...@the-lightfoots.com br...@the-lightfoots.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 6:41:45 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships Incorrect

My thoughts exactly. But I might also add that starting in version 7.0, the 
relationship calculations must be redone whenever new people are added. It no 
longer does it on the fly as in previous versions. I would suggest to the OP 
that he go back and use the tool to re-calculate relationships to the maximum 
value allowed. I might also add my congratulations on having a database that 
goes back to your 25th Great grandparent. But now I'm starting to wonder if 
that if really plausible. Twenty-five generations back? Good grief, what year 
would that take you to? The year 500? Just wondering.

Brian in CA




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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships Incorrect

[mikefry]

br...@the-lightfoots.com wrote:

 No, no need to show me your work. As I said in the message, congrats on
 getting back that far. Many hit that brick wall after 4 or 5 generations.

Then again, many of us prefer not to trust the medieval attempts at trying to
legitimise undeserved notions of nobility.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships Incorrect

[fourpartz]

Are each of the various 'numbers' accurate, if not the one you would guess is 
the 'first' choice; Check out Relationship Calculator to get the many multiple 
pathways.
You are related to my kids, so I deal witht the same stuff. It seems the 
calculation is 'male' checking first and this has been discussed in the 
archives. My kids have Charlemange as a grandparent on over 60 paths, which may 
leave out some multiple lines.My guess is that the programmers used the 'legal' 
rules for inheritance, and some fixes were done last year.
Rich in LA CA


- Original Message 
From: wood...@msn.com wood...@msn.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 2:20:23 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships Incorrect

I have a 25th GGFather and GGMother with two children, Ralph  Cecily.

Ralph and Cecily are each direct ancestors of mine.  This is shown correctly
in Legacy by Ancestor Color Coding and by Direct Line bolding.

Ralph is shown as my 24th GGF, married to my 24th GGMother.

BUT,

Cecily is shown as my 24th GGAunt, married to my 27th GGFather.

So I guess Legacy can't figure out what to call my relationship to Cecily,
even though it knows she is a direct ancestor, as evidenced by the correct
Color Coding and Direct Line bolding.

So Relationship Calculator is useless for me, because it is not only the far
distant ancestors where this occurs; those are just easier to find in my
database.

Is NAMING the correct relationship just too complicated for Legacy?  Is
there no way this can be fixed?

If this cannot be fixed, PLEASE advise us users accordingly.


CE




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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships Incorrect

[wood_ce]

No.  I guess it is either not important enough a problem to fix or it is 
unfixable.  As those of us with the same problem have found, their responses 
dribble off and stop.

Solutions to so many problems have been found on LUG rather than support, that 
I keep trying - hoping - that someone has the programming knowledge to solve 
this one.


CE


-Original Message-
From: kowal...@iglou.com [mailto:kowal...@iglou.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 5:19 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships Incorrect

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:10:27 -0800, wood...@msn.com wrote:

Some acknowledgement of this limitation needs to be made.

I assume you have reported it to support. Usually they will try to
duplicate the problem and will get back to you one way or the other.
Have they not done so?

--

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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships Incorrect

[stevevoght]

I believe there are a few issues here:

1) The relationship is not incorrect -- she is your 24th
great-grandaunt, as you have stated yourself. She also happens to be
your 27th GGM, and the problem is that you would prefer that the
program to always select direct lines instead of side-relations in
situations where multiple-connections exist.

In the case of direct ancestor tagging this is very easy, since you're
only tasked with identifying the parents of a limited set of
individuals with a known starting point. For relationship calculations
it is much messier since you can go in multiple directions. It's the
same issue that plagues tree-drawing algorithms once you depart from
direct-ancestor diagrams.

2) That said, when counting generational steps a 24th ggrandaunt is
actually a closer relationship than 27th GGM. As your 24th ggrandaunt,
she is 26 generations back to a common ancestor, and then one
generation forward (herself), for a total of 27 steps. To reach your
27th GGM requires 29 steps. (My math might be off slightly here, but
the premise remains true even if it's actually 28 and 30 steps.)

Thus if you are limiting blood relationships to the closest one I
would actually expect the program to identify her as your
great-grandaunt before it identifies her as your GGM, because that is
the closer relationship.

It's an unfortunate side-effect of taking what should be
straight-forward computer logic and applying to to fairly extreme and
complicated generational distances.

-Steve

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:15 PM, wood...@msn.com wrote:

 I might agree about the male thing except that it is ONLY when the degrees 
 don't jibe that this occurs.  For some reason, Legacy will not allow her to 
 be called my 24th GGM if she is married to my 27th GGF and mother of my 26th 
 GGM.

 Sherry told me once that the program SHOULD show her as my GGM if I limit 
 Blood Relationships to the closest one.  After all, she IS my direct 
 ancestor.  Unfortunately, it doesn't.


 CE



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RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships Incorrect

[wood_ce]

When you have many individuals, Legacy freezes and will not produce 999 
closest.  It is a well known downside of Access based applications, such as 
Legacy.

The 27th GGF died bef 1130, per Complete Peerage, XI:342; the 25th GGM died aft 
1126, per Domesday People, by K.S.B. Rohan.  Medieval genealogy is well 
documented once you find your entrée into it.  Arguments abound among and 
between the historical and genealogical scholars.  They read the actual 
documents, trace property descent, and other scholarly pursuits.  However, 
dates and facts from then are well-researched.  See 
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.genealogy.medieval/topics?hl=en or the 
master site http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/GEN-MEDIEVAL



CE


-Original Message-
From: br...@the-lightfoots.com [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 6:42 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships Incorrect

My thoughts exactly. But I might also add that starting in version 7.0, the 
relationship calculations must be redone whenever new people are added. It no 
longer does it on the fly as in previous versions. I would suggest to the OP 
that he go back and use the tool to re-calculate relationships to the maximum 
value allowed. I might also add my congratulations on having a database that 
goes back to your 25th Great grandparent. But now I'm starting to wonder if 
that if really plausible. Twenty-five generations back? Good grief, what year 
would that take you to? The year 500? Just wondering.

Brian in CA


-Original Message-
From: william.murray.ander...@gmail.com 
[mailto:william.murray.ander...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:30 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Relationships Incorrect

As a matter of interest, what relationship would you expect to see?

I'd have thought that the sister of your nth GGF would show as your nth GGA, 
that being her state at time of birth.  (but then again I've been wrong before 
and I'm sure I'll be wrong again!).

Bill

-Original Message-
From: wood...@msn.com [mailto:wood...@msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:20 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationships Incorrect

I have a 25th GGFather and GGMother with two children, Ralph  Cecily.

Ralph and Cecily are each direct ancestors of mine.  This is shown correctly in 
Legacy by Ancestor Color Coding and by Direct Line bolding.

Ralph is shown as my 24th GGF, married to my 24th GGMother.

BUT,

Cecily is shown as my 24th GGAunt, married to my 27th GGFather.

So I guess Legacy can't figure out what to call my relationship to Cecily, even 
though it knows she is a direct ancestor, as evidenced by the correct Color 
Coding and Direct Line bolding.

So Relationship Calculator is useless for me, because it is not only the far 
distant ancestors where this occurs; those are just easier to find in my 
database.

Is NAMING the correct relationship just too complicated for Legacy?  Is there 
no way this can be fixed?

If this cannot be fixed, PLEASE advise us users accordingly.


CE





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