Re: [LegacyUG] dates

[Ian Macaulay]

Would not the hashtags be a better tool for this kind of grouping?

Ian

On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:00 PM Andrew Robbie 
wrote:

> Just adding my perspective here, in the spirit of sharing…
>
>
>
> For journeys such as ship or plane, you can enter dates in events as 23
> Jul 1896-29 Jul 1896.  That way you can capture departure and arrival
> information all against the same event .  I find that helpful to reduce the
> number of events.  Also, if you use the calendar calculator for dates (like
> someone’s birth date based on aged when died) then the ‘Cal’ prefix can
> remain indicating that it was a calculated date, not a specific date form a
> specific source (useful).
>
>
>
> Regarding unlinking wrong children/spouses/parents, I use the tags a lot
> and have developed a ‘system’ where each tag means something (to just me).
> So when I link or unlink individuals, I set/reset tags accordingly:
>
>
>
> Again, sharing so that others can understand/criticize/encourage/further
> develop/ignore/whatever:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> As you can see (and here I am open to further suggestions too) I use
> individual special characters to use as column headings in the Index and
> Dependent views.  So, if anyone has better suggestions, please chime in.
>
>
>
> Happy hunting,
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup  *On
> Behalf Of *Ian Thomas
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 11, 2019 11:26 PM
> *To:* Legacy User Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] dates
>
>
>
> Taking up Cathy’s last point, I find that unlinking wrongly-entered or
> attached people is very useful; I often find that the unlinked person does
> fit in somewhere.
>
>
>
> (my use of dates is a bit crude: either a precise date, or Abt.  I was
> unaware of the other allowed entry forms)
>
>
>
> Ian Thomas
>
> Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Cathy Pinner
> *Sent:* Sunday, 12 May 2019 1:10 PM
> *To:* Legacy User Group ; Marina via
> LegacyUserGroup 
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] dates
>
>
>
> Marina
>
> I don't know if you are trying to add a double date or a range.
>
> If a range, enter 1665-1666 or better use either between 1665 and 1666 or
> from 1665 to 1666.
> If it's a double date you need the day and month as well and you need to
> set Options-Customise 5.4 and note it can only be set for the one change
> date.Then you enter your date in New Style and for dates from 1 Jan to 24
> March, Legacy will add the double date.
> Yes Legacy will give you a new total but possibly not until you have
> closed and re-opened Legacy. Also make sure you do File Maintenance -
> Check/Repair and sometimes Compact File.
> Note the RINs are not changed and whether abandoned RINs are reused
> depends on your setting at Options-Customise 4.4 so don't confuse highest
> RIN with number of people.
> I prefer to just unlink people I've added in error. That helps me not to
> go down that rabbit hole again and I haven't lost that work if I discover
> that they fit somewhere else.
>
> Cathy
>
> Marina via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
>
>
> Hello
>
> I read all your emails regularly but have not yet come across this
> problem which I think  I am having. when i write on the profile a date
> such as 1665/66 the programe immediately amends the date to 1666 . it
> will accept 166?.
> Also if I have had a flight of fancy and added someone who is not mine
> when I delete this person does Legacy recalculate and re number my
> grand total of tree members.
> Thank you Marina
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Re: [LegacyUG] dates

[Andrew Robbie]

Just adding my perspective here, in the spirit of sharing…

 

For journeys such as ship or plane, you can enter dates in events as 23 Jul 
1896-29 Jul 1896.  That way you can capture departure and arrival information 
all against the same event .  I find that helpful to reduce the number of 
events.  Also, if you use the calendar calculator for dates (like someone’s 
birth date based on aged when died) then the ‘Cal’ prefix can remain indicating 
that it was a calculated date, not a specific date form a specific source 
(useful).

 

Regarding unlinking wrong children/spouses/parents, I use the tags a lot and 
have developed a ‘system’ where each tag means something (to just me).  So when 
I link or unlink individuals, I set/reset tags accordingly:

 

Again, sharing so that others can understand/criticize/encourage/further 
develop/ignore/whatever:

 



 

 

As you can see (and here I am open to further suggestions too) I use individual 
special characters to use as column headings in the Index and Dependent views.  
So, if anyone has better suggestions, please chime in.

 

Happy hunting,

Andrew

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Ian Thomas
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 11:26 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] dates

 

Taking up Cathy’s last point, I find that unlinking wrongly-entered or attached 
people is very useful; I often find that the unlinked person does fit in 
somewhere. 

 

(my use of dates is a bit crude: either a precise date, or Abt.  I was unaware 
of the other allowed entry forms)

 

Ian Thomas

Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

 

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Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Sunday, 12 May 2019 1:10 PM
To: Legacy User Group mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> >; Marina via LegacyUserGroup 
mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> >
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] dates

 

Marina

I don't know if you are trying to add a double date or a range.

If a range, enter 1665-1666 or better use either between 1665 and 1666 or from 
1665 to 1666.
If it's a double date you need the day and month as well and you need to set 
Options-Customise 5.4 and note it can only be set for the one change date.Then 
you enter your date in New Style and for dates from 1 Jan to 24 March, Legacy 
will add the double date.
Yes Legacy will give you a new total but possibly not until you have closed and 
re-opened Legacy. Also make sure you do File Maintenance - Check/Repair and 
sometimes Compact File.
Note the RINs are not changed and whether abandoned RINs are reused depends on 
your setting at Options-Customise 4.4 so don't confuse highest RIN with number 
of people.
I prefer to just unlink people I've added in error. That helps me not to go 
down that rabbit hole again and I haven't lost that work if I discover that 
they fit somewhere else.

Cathy

Marina via LegacyUserGroup wrote:


Hello

I read all your emails regularly but have not yet come across this 
problem which I think  I am having. when i write on the profile a date 
such as 1665/66 the programe immediately amends the date to 1666 . it 
will accept 166?.
Also if I have had a flight of fancy and added someone who is not mine 
when I delete this person does Legacy recalculate and re number my 
grand total of tree members.
Thank you Marina

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Re: [LegacyUG] dates

[Ian Thomas]

Taking up Cathy’s last point, I find that unlinking wrongly-entered or attached 
people is very useful; I often find that the unlinked person does fit in 
somewhere.

(my use of dates is a bit crude: either a precise date, or Abt.  I was unaware 
of the other allowed entry forms)

Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

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Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Sunday, 12 May 2019 1:10 PM
To: Legacy User Group ; Marina via 
LegacyUserGroup 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] dates

Marina

I don't know if you are trying to add a double date or a range.

If a range, enter 1665-1666 or better use either between 1665 and 1666 or from 
1665 to 1666.
If it's a double date you need the day and month as well and you need to set 
Options-Customise 5.4 and note it can only be set for the one change date.Then 
you enter your date in New Style and for dates from 1 Jan to 24 March, Legacy 
will add the double date.
Yes Legacy will give you a new total but possibly not until you have closed and 
re-opened Legacy. Also make sure you do File Maintenance - Check/Repair and 
sometimes Compact File.
Note the RINs are not changed and whether abandoned RINs are reused depends on 
your setting at Options-Customise 4.4 so don't confuse highest RIN with number 
of people.
I prefer to just unlink people I've added in error. That helps me not to go 
down that rabbit hole again and I haven't lost that work if I discover that 
they fit somewhere else.

Cathy

Marina via LegacyUserGroup wrote:


Hello

I read all your emails regularly but have not yet come across this
problem which I think  I am having. when i write on the profile a date
such as 1665/66 the programe immediately amends the date to 1666 . it
will accept 166?.
Also if I have had a flight of fancy and added someone who is not mine
when I delete this person does Legacy recalculate and re number my
grand total of tree members.
Thank you Marina

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Re: [LegacyUG] dates

[Cathy Pinner]

Marina

I don't know if you are trying to add a double date or a range.

If a range, enter 1665-1666 or better use either between 1665 and 1666 
or from 1665 to 1666.
If it's a double date you need the day and month as well and you need to 
set Options-Customise 5.4 and note it can only be set for the one change 
date.Then you enter your date in New Style and for dates from 1 Jan to 
24 March, Legacy will add the double date.
Yes Legacy will give you a new total but possibly not until you have 
closed and re-opened Legacy. Also make sure you do File Maintenance - 
Check/Repair and sometimes Compact File.
Note the RINs are not changed and whether abandoned RINs are reused 
depends on your setting at Options-Customise 4.4 so don't confuse 
highest RIN with number of people.
I prefer to just unlink people I've added in error. That helps me not to 
go down that rabbit hole again and I haven't lost that work if I 
discover that they fit somewhere else.


Cathy

Marina via LegacyUserGroup wrote:


Hello

I read all your emails regularly but have not yet come across this
problem which I think  I am having. when i write on the profile a date
such as 1665/66 the programe immediately amends the date to 1666 . it
will accept 166?.
Also if I have had a flight of fancy and added someone who is not mine
when I delete this person does Legacy recalculate and re number my
grand total of tree members.
Thank you Marina

 


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[LegacyUG] dates

[Marina via LegacyUserGroup]

Hello

I read all your emails regularly but have not yet come across this
problem which I think  I am having. when i write on the profile a date
such as 1665/66 the programe immediately amends the date to 1666 . it
will accept 166?.
Also if I have had a flight of fancy and added someone who is not mine
when I delete this person does Legacy recalculate and re number my grand
total of tree members.
Thank you Marina

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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates when not really known

[Al Greene]

My feeling is to continue to use "Abt., or at the very least, Circa. It
would appear that the programmers have attempted to "standardize" this
feature so everyone would be on the same page. In most case my "Abt"s are
within + or - 5 yrs. For the neophyte, or for others reading our
genealogies, that prefix is easier to understand.

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Jenny M Benson 
wrote:

> On 28-Sep-17 06:50 PM, Brian Kelly wrote:
>
>> Because there is no setting for that prefix but the programmers have
>> hardwired code in the program to allow it then decided themselves how it
>> would be used in reports and displayed on screens.
>>
>
> But there ARE settings for various other prefixes but that I type or what
> is displayed on screen is not shown in reports for any of them. Eg, if I
> type "Circa 1740" it appears on screen as "Cir 1740" (in accordance with my
> expressed preference) but appears in a report as "circa 1740."
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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates when not really known

[Jenny M Benson]

On 28-Sep-17 06:50 PM, Brian Kelly wrote:
Because there is no setting for that prefix but the programmers have 
hardwired code in the program to allow it then decided themselves how it 
would be used in reports and displayed on screens.


But there ARE settings for various other prefixes but that I type or 
what is displayed on screen is not shown in reports for any of them. 
Eg, if I type "Circa 1740" it appears on screen as "Cir 1740" (in 
accordance with my expressed preference) but appears in a report as 
"circa 1740."


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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates when not really known

[Brian Kelly]

Because there is no setting for that prefix but the programmers have 
hardwired code in the program to allow it then decided themselves how it 
would be used in reports and displayed on screens.


Brian Kelly

On 28-Sep-17 1:23 PM, Martha Graham wrote:

Hello,
I noticed the discussion of using the various words for a date that is 
not really known.


Michelle said that Est could be used. Well I tried it and after typing 
'Est' and hitting the enter key, 'est' was the result.

Why? I have all settings I can find set to 'do not change what I enter'.

Thoughts?

Martha
In Los Osos, CA





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[LegacyUG] Dates when not really known

[Martha Graham]

Hello,
I noticed the discussion of using the various words for a date that is 
not really known.


Michelle said that Est could be used. Well I tried it and after typing 
'Est' and hitting the enter key, 'est' was the result.

Why? I have all settings I can find set to 'do not change what I enter'.

Thoughts?

Martha
In Los Osos, CA



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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates and Media

[Paula Ryburn]

Kay,  I think the date you are talking about is the one under the image, right? 
 That's only printed if the image is printed in reports--part of the caption.  
I don't think that field is even validated.  --Paula
  From: K Turner turnerhist...@gmail.com
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2015 11:20 AM
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Dates and Media

I am brand new to Legacy and I have searched the various helps on line but have 
not been able to find these answers and I want to be as correct as possible 
from the beginning of my entries.
When I am entering a media documentation such as a death certificate, it has a 
date field.  What date do most people put here?  I put todays date as the 
date I documented the info,    but then I began to wonder if it should be the 
date of death, the date the death was recorded, or what?
Also, is there one place to post the media and refer to it as needed or is it 
posted separately for each documentation... such as date of death, spouse name, 
parent name, etc?  I don't want to overload my files with the same image in so 
many different paces. 
Thanks for your help.  I hope my questions are clear and I am sure this is 
basic but I have not found clear answers so I thought it may be a personal 
opinion rather than a procedure that is followed and would like to know how 
others handle it.
Thanks,Kay

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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates and Media

[William Boswell]

I always look to see if the document has a date on it and that is the date I 
use.  If there isn't one, then I leave the date field blank.  For obituaries, I 
use the publication date.  Death Certificates usually have a date somewhere at 
the bottom or the death date could be used since it's typically the same date, 
but not always.  For census records, I use the date at the top.



Bill



From: K Turner [mailto:turnerhist...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2015 12:21 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Dates and Media



I am brand new to Legacy and I have searched the various helps on line but have 
not been able to find these answers and I want to be as correct as possible 
from the beginning of my entries.



When I am entering a media documentation such as a death certificate, it has a 
date field.  What date do most people put here?  I put todays date as the 
date I documented the info,but then I began to wonder if it should be the 
date of death, the date the death was recorded, or what?



Also, is there one place to post the media and refer to it as needed or is it 
posted separately for each documentation... such as date of death, spouse name, 
parent name, etc?  I don't want to overload my files with the same image in so 
many different paces.



Thanks for your help.  I hope my questions are clear and I am sure this is 
basic but I have not found clear answers so I thought it may be a personal 
opinion rather than a procedure that is followed and would like to know how 
others handle it.



Thanks,

Kay



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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates and Media

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

I typically will attach the photo/document only in one place. As Michele 
stated, if it’s a death certificate, its attached to the person who died. 
However, there can be exceptions. For example, let’s say you have no source 
citations to prove the marriage of the person to the spouse. Sometimes, a death 
certificate may provide that and if it’s the only valid source citation that 
proves a marriage, then I would use the death certificate as a source for the 
marriage.



If I ever discover a more main-stream type of marriage certificate, then I 
would use that as a source citation with photo instead and remove the death 
certificate as a source citation to the marriage. Yes, it’s true that  it’s a 
valid source citation but for some reason, I just don’t like seeing a death 
certificate as a proof of a marriage and feel compelled to remove it when no 
longer necessary. Sometimes, a photo of a gravestone may also provide the only 
source citation of a marriage so thus the photo of a gravestone may appear not 
only in a burial/cemetery event but also in a marriage event.



Brian in CA





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Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2015 10:03 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Dates and Media



Kay,

I put the date the event occurred.



I attach the photo in only one place.  If it is a death certificate I attach it 
to the death field.  If it is a funeral card I attach it to the burial field.  
If it is a baptismal record I attach it to the baptismal field.  If it is a 
compiled service record I attached it to a military event, etc.   I can use 
that document as a source for many fields but I will only attach the image to 
the one it specifically applies to.





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[LegacyUG] Dates and Media

[K Turner]

I am brand new to Legacy and I have searched the various helps on line but
have not been able to find these answers and I want to be as correct as
possible from the beginning of my entries.

When I am entering a media documentation such as a death certificate, it
has a date field.  What date do most people put here?  I put todays date
as the date I documented the info,but then I began to wonder if it
should be the date of death, the date the death was recorded, or what?

Also, is there one place to post the media and refer to it as needed or is
it posted separately for each documentation... such as date of death,
spouse name, parent name, etc?  I don't want to overload my files with the
same image in so many different paces.

Thanks for your help.  I hope my questions are clear and I am sure this is
basic but I have not found clear answers so I thought it may be a personal
opinion rather than a procedure that is followed and would like to know how
others handle it.

Thanks,
Kay




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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates and Media

[Kathy Meyer]

The date should be the date the event occurred.  Then it will show you a
timeline of events so you can see any trends or missing information or even
contradictions.

Your images can and should be linked to every person and field they apply
to.  Although everyone has their choice of methodology.  Don't worry about
attaching it too many places because the program stores the LINK to your
images stored on your computer not the actual image itself. That would make
the file too large and would bog down the program.

Be sure to use the copy/paste event-source features!  You can attach your
media to the source, then copy it to the clipboard and paste it everywhere
that it is needed

So many nice time saving features. You are smart to learn about it at the
beginning -  watch the videos.  They are very helpful.

Happy hunting!  Kathy

On Sunday, March 1, 2015, K Turner turnerhist...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am brand new to Legacy and I have searched the various helps on line but
 have not been able to find these answers and I want to be as correct as
 possible from the beginning of my entries.

 When I am entering a media documentation such as a death certificate, it
 has a date field.  What date do most people put here?  I put todays date
 as the date I documented the info,but then I began to wonder if it
 should be the date of death, the date the death was recorded, or what?

 Also, is there one place to post the media and refer to it as needed or is
 it posted separately for each documentation... such as date of death,
 spouse name, parent name, etc?  I don't want to overload my files with the
 same image in so many different paces.

 Thanks for your help.  I hope my questions are clear and I am sure this is
 basic but I have not found clear answers so I thought it may be a personal
 opinion rather than a procedure that is followed and would like to know how
 others handle it.

 Thanks,
 Kay


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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates and Media

[Michele/Support]

Kay,

I put the date the event occurred.



I attach the photo in only one place.  If it is a death certificate I attach it 
to the death field.  If it is a funeral card I attach it to the burial field.  
If it is a baptismal record I attach it to the baptismal field.  If it is a 
compiled service record I attached it to a military event, etc.   I can use 
that document as a source for many fields but I will only attach the image to 
the one it specifically applies to.





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From: K Turner [mailto:turnerhist...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2015 12:21 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Dates and Media



I am brand new to Legacy and I have searched the various helps on line but have 
not been able to find these answers and I want to be as correct as possible 
from the beginning of my entries.



When I am entering a media documentation such as a death certificate, it has a 
date field.  What date do most people put here?  I put todays date as the 
date I documented the info,but then I began to wonder if it should be the 
date of death, the date the death was recorded, or what?



Also, is there one place to post the media and refer to it as needed or is it 
posted separately for each documentation... such as date of death, spouse name, 
parent name, etc?  I don't want to overload my files with the same image in so 
many different paces.



Thanks for your help.  I hope my questions are clear and I am sure this is 
basic but I have not found clear answers so I thought it may be a personal 
opinion rather than a procedure that is followed and would like to know how 
others handle it.



Thanks,

Kay





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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

[Paula Ryburn]

Michele,  This is a little disheartening, to have the event dates suddenly not 
be printing, after a minor update... Is there a list of the contents of the 
latest release?  Thx.  --P



 From: Michele/Support mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 6:39 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences



Elise,
This is a known issue.  It has been entered into our bug tracking system and 
assigned to a programmer to be fixed.  The fix will appear in a future update 
but I can't tell you exactly when that will be.

Michele
Technical Support
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
www.legacyfamilytree.com

From:sa...@attglobal.net [mailto:sa...@attglobal.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:30 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

using Legacy 8 latest build

Hi, I was entering some events today when I noticed that Event Sentences were 
leaving out the dates even when the Event Sentence Definition includes dates. 
For example: The Event Sentence Description reads [firstname] [desc] [onDate] 
for “David was in school on 7 Jun 1900.”  The sentence I get is “David was in 
school on.” Sentences before today are ok. I’ve been using Legacy for about 8 
years now and have never seen this happen.  Any ideas?

Thanks, Elsie




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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

[Michele/Support]

Paula,

You can see a list of the fixes here 
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/RevisionHistory8.asp  A new list comes out with 
each update.



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From: Paula Ryburn [mailto:paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:19 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences



Michele,  This is a little disheartening, to have the event dates suddenly not 
be printing, after a minor update... Is there a list of the contents of the 
latest release?  Thx.  --P




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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

[Ron Bernier]

Paula,
As usual, you just need to go to the Legacy site and see the fixed items.

Ron Bernier
Woonsocket, RI
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 Michele,  This is a little disheartening, to have the event dates suddenly 
 not be printing, after a minor update... Is there a list of the contents of 
 the latest release?  Thx.  --P





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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

[Paula Ryburn]

Thanks, Michele.  I thought it was out there somewhere--I have the misfortune 
of not finding time to do genealogy these days, so I get out of touch quickly.  
--P



 From: Michele/Support mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences



Paula,
You can see a list of the fixes here 
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/RevisionHistory8.asp  A new list comes out with 
each update.

Michele
Technical Support
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
www.legacyfamilytree.com

From:Paula Ryburn [mailto:paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:19 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

Michele,  This is a little disheartening, to have the event dates suddenly not 
be printing, after a minor update... Is there a list of the contents of the 
latest release?  Thx.  --P

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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

[Paula Ryburn]

Okay, so I can see how the cut media problem may have cropped up, but the not 
printing event dates (or maybe not saving event dates)...?  Doesn't look like 
anything having to do with events was changed.  hmm  The programmer in me is 
scratching her head. ;)
Thanks again for the link.  --P



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To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 10:26 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences



Paula,
You can see a list of the fixes here 
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/RevisionHistory8.asp  A new list comes out with 
each update.

Michele
Technical Support
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
www.legacyfamilytree.com

From:Paula Ryburn [mailto:paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:19 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

Michele,  This is a little disheartening, to have the event dates suddenly not 
be printing, after a minor update... Is there a list of the contents of the 
latest release?  Thx.  --P

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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

[Brian/Support]

The date problem is restricted to custom sentences using the override
tab, dates are not included using the [date] or [ondate] fields there.

It does not affect the vast majority who use only the standard sentences
nor does it affect the saving of the dates in the database.

Brian
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On 29/10/2014 11:32 AM, Paula Ryburn wrote:
 Okay, so I can see how the cut media problem may have cropped up, but the 
 not printing event dates (or maybe not saving event dates)...?  Doesn't look 
 like anything having to do with events was changed.  hmm  The programmer in 
 me is scratching her head. ;)
 Thanks again for the link.  --P



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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

[Paula Ryburn]

Thanks, Brian.  I think you mean, too, that it might not be new to the latest 
update.  I appreciate the clarification.  --P



 From: Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences


The date problem is restricted to custom sentences using the override
tab, dates are not included using the [date] or [ondate] fields there.

It does not affect the vast majority who use only the standard sentences
nor does it affect the saving of the dates in the database.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

On 29/10/2014 11:32 AM, Paula Ryburn wrote:
 Okay, so I can see how the cut media problem may have cropped up, but the 
 not printing event dates (or maybe not saving event dates)...?  Doesn't look 
 like anything having to do with events was changed.  hmm  The programmer in 
 me is scratching her head. ;)
 Thanks again for the link.  --P



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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

[saare]

In the event sentences located in the Edit Event dialog box, at the bottom 
under Refresh Sentence.
From: karenhappuch
Sent: October 24, 2014 5:53 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

I have the latest update (Oct. 20) and am not seeing a problem with dates.  I 
looked at entries made since updating and also added a couple of test' events 
and the dates showed fine both on the entry page and in running a trial report. 
Where should this bug show up? Confused.
Barbara



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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

[karenhappuch]

Brian from Support already explained why I'm not seeing the date bug.  I am not 
using Sentence Override.  All of my sentences are global, so the bug does not 
affect me.
Barbara
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  In the event sentences located in the Edit Event dialog box, at the bottom 
under Refresh Sentence.
  From: karenhappuch
  Sent: October 24, 2014 5:53 PM
  To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

  I have the latest update (Oct. 20) and am not seeing a problem with dates.  I 
looked at entries made since updating and also added a couple of test' events 
and the dates showed fine both on the entry page and in running a trial report. 
Where should this bug show up? Confused.
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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

[Michele/Support]

Elise,

This is a known issue.  It has been entered into our bug tracking system and 
assigned to a programmer to be fixed.  The fix will appear in a future update 
but I can't tell you exactly when that will be.



Michele

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From: sa...@attglobal.net [mailto:sa...@attglobal.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:30 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences



using Legacy 8 latest build



Hi, I was entering some events today when I noticed that Event Sentences were 
leaving out the dates even when the Event Sentence Definition includes dates. 
For example: The Event Sentence Description reads [firstname] [desc] [onDate] 
for “David was in school on 7 Jun 1900.”  The sentence I get is “David was in 
school on.” Sentences before today are ok. I’ve been using Legacy for about 8 
years now and have never seen this happen.  Any ideas?



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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

[933e9e40]

Hi,



I’m a very new user of Legacy using 8.0.0.439.  I’ve been having a problem with 
marriage events showing the wrong names.  For instance: entering my parents’ 
marriage - the sentence comes out with *my* and *my husband* ‘s names rather 
than my parents’ names!  I’ve checked everything repeatedly and even deleted 
the entire event and source.  Is this an issue related to the one referenced in 
Elsie’s note?



Thanks,

Diana





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This is a known issue.  It has been entered into our bug tracking system and 
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but I can't tell you exactly when that will be.



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From: sa...@attglobal.net [mailto:sa...@attglobal.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:30 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences



using Legacy 8 latest build



Hi, I was entering some events today when I noticed that Event Sentences were 
leaving out the dates even when the Event Sentence Definition includes dates. 
For example: The Event Sentence Description reads [firstname] [desc] [onDate] 
for “David was in school on 7 Jun 1900.”  The sentence I get is “David was in 
school on.” Sentences before today are ok. I’ve been using Legacy for about 8 
years now and have never seen this happen.  Any ideas?



Thanks, Elsie



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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

[saare]

Thanks, Michele, I thought I was going crazy. Never had it happen before. I’ll 
just keep entering and someday it will read correctly.
Elsie

From: Michele/Support
Sent: October 24, 2014 7:39 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

Elise,

This is a known issue.  It has been entered into our bug tracking system and 
assigned to a programmer to be fixed.  The fix will appear in a future update 
but I can't tell you exactly when that will be.



Michele

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From: sa...@attglobal.net [mailto:sa...@attglobal.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:30 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences



using Legacy 8 latest build



Hi, I was entering some events today when I noticed that Event Sentences were 
leaving out the dates even when the Event Sentence Definition includes dates. 
For example: The Event Sentence Description reads [firstname] [desc] [onDate] 
for “David was in school on 7 Jun 1900.”  The sentence I get is “David was in 
school on.” Sentences before today are ok. I’ve been using Legacy for about 8 
years now and have never seen this happen.  Any ideas?



Thanks, Elsie







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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

[saare]

Thanks for trying, Jay, guess it is a programming glitch.
Elsie

From: Jay Wilpolt
Sent: October 24, 2014 12:41 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

You need to make sure you have the correct event sentence set up for the 
correct fields that exist.


Check the Master Event definition list and make sure that the [date] is 
properly formatted and included in the variable options.




On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 7:30 PM, sa...@attglobal.net wrote:

  using Legacy 8 latest build
  Hi, I was entering some events today when I noticed that Event Sentences were 
leaving out the dates even when the Event Sentence Definition includes dates. 
For example: The Event Sentence Description reads [firstname] [desc] [onDate] 
for “David was in school on 7 Jun 1900.”  The sentence I get is “David was in 
school on.” Sentences before today are ok. I’ve been using Legacy for about 8 
years now and have never seen this happen.  Any ideas?
  Thanks, Elsie



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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

[karenhappuch]

I have the latest update (Oct. 20) and am not seeing a problem with dates.  I 
looked at entries made since updating and also added a couple of test' events 
and the dates showed fine both on the entry page and in running a trial report. 
Where should this bug show up? Confused.
Barbara



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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

[Brian/Support]

It shows up only if you use a custom sentence using the sentence override.

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On 24/10/2014 5:53 PM, karenhappuch wrote:
 I have the latest update (Oct. 20) and am not seeing a problem with
 dates.  I looked at entries made since updating and also added a couple
 of test' events and the dates showed fine both on the entry page and in
 running a trial report. Where should this bug show up? Confused.
 Barbara



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[LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

[saare]

using Legacy 8 latest build
Hi, I was entering some events today when I noticed that Event Sentences were 
leaving out the dates even when the Event Sentence Definition includes dates. 
For example: The Event Sentence Description reads [firstname] [desc] [onDate] 
for “David was in school on 7 Jun 1900.”  The sentence I get is “David was in 
school on.” Sentences before today are ok. I’ve been using Legacy for about 8 
years now and have never seen this happen.  Any ideas?
Thanks, Elsie

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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates on Event Sentences

[Jay Wilpolt]

You need to make sure you have the correct event sentence set up for the
correct fields that exist.

Check the Master Event definition list and make sure that the [date] is
properly formatted and included in the variable options.



On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 7:30 PM, sa...@attglobal.net wrote:

   using Legacy 8 latest build

  Hi, I was entering some events today when I noticed that Event Sentences
 were leaving out the dates even when the Event Sentence Definition includes
 dates. For example: The Event Sentence Description reads [firstname] [desc]
 [onDate] for “David was in school on 7 Jun 1900.”  The sentence I get is
 “David was in school on.” Sentences before today are ok. I’ve been using
 Legacy for about 8 years now and have never seen this happen.  Any ideas?

  Thanks, Elsie


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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates and potential problems

[Brian/Support]

The problem you reported below has been fixed and will be available in
the next update to Legacy 8.0. I do not know when that update will be
issued. You can check for updates by selecting the Legacy Home tab. The
updates section will tell you when a new update is available and, if you
have the deluxe version, allow you to update from within Legacy.
Standard version users will have to obtain the update from our web site.

Brian
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On 04/12/2013 10:39 PM, Bryan Pratt wrote:

 I have myself recorded as a Residence Event living in a certain city from 
 quote “2002 - Present”.

 If on the individual Edit Event window I check “Exclude this instance of 
 this event from problem checking” and Save, the problem still remains. Or 
 is there another acceptable way to write this date?



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[LegacyUG] dates for Events?

[elizabeth]

I use the free version of Legacy 7.5

Is there a way to have the date for an Event display differently than other
dates for other fields?

All my dates display as Month/Day/Year, just as I want them to. But for
Events I want them to display differently because I don''t always know the
month and day.

I want all the events to show up in 'book' style reports with the Year
first, then month, then day so that they can be easily scanned.

Right now I get this type of display which is difficult to look through

1920
1930
September 8, 1933
1940
August, 1941

I want it to look like this...

1920
1930
1933, September 8
1940
1941, August

Is there any way to enter dates for Events so the year displays first?


Elizabeth



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RE: [LegacyUG] dates for Events?

[C.G. Ouimet]

How about going to Options, then Customize, then Dates and pick the closest 
thing which will look like “1933 Sep 8”, “1933 Sep” or “1933”, depending on how 
much detail you have …





C.G. Ouimet

Kingston ON



From: elizabeth [mailto:newi...@gmail.com]
Sent: May 15, 2014 03:33 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] dates for Events?



I use the free version of Legacy 7.5

Is there a way to have the date for an Event display differently than other 
dates for other fields?

All my dates display as Month/Day/Year, just as I want them to. But for Events 
I want them to display differently because I don''t always know the month and 
day.

I want all the events to show up in 'book' style reports with the Year first, 
then month, then day so that they can be easily scanned.

Right now I get this type of display which is difficult to look through

1920
1930

September 8, 1933
1940

August, 1941

I want it to look like this...

1920
1930

1933, September 8
1940

1941, August

Is there any way to enter dates for Events so the year displays first?



Elizabeth



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RE: [LegacyUG] dates for Events?

[C.G. Ouimet]

Dates will be displayed consistently everywhere. They won’t show one way here 
and another way there. You need to pick …





C.G. Ouimet

Kingston ON



From: elizabeth [mailto:newi...@gmail.com]
Sent: May 15, 2014 04:18 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] dates for Events?



Would I have to do that each time I add an Event and then switch back to the 
other way when done adding it? Or can there be 2 different permanent settings 
for dates? I think whatever setting I choose is used everywhere..?

Elizabeth



On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 3:45 PM, C.G. Ouimet c.g.oui...@outlook.com wrote:

How about going to Options, then Customize, then Dates and pick the closest 
thing which will look like “1933 Sep 8”, “1933 Sep” or “1933”, depending on how 
much detail you have …





C.G. Ouimet

Kingston ON



From: elizabeth [mailto:newi...@gmail.com]
Sent: May 15, 2014 03:33 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] dates for Events?



I use the free version of Legacy 7.5

Is there a way to have the date for an Event display differently than other 
dates for other fields?

All my dates display as Month/Day/Year, just as I want them to. But for Events 
I want them to display differently because I don''t always know the month and 
day.

I want all the events to show up in 'book' style reports with the Year first, 
then month, then day so that they can be easily scanned.

Right now I get this type of display which is difficult to look through

1920
1930

September 8, 1933
1940

August, 1941

I want it to look like this...

1920
1930

1933, September 8
1940

1941, August

Is there any way to enter dates for Events so the year displays first?

Elizabeth



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Re: [LegacyUG] dates for Events?

[Cathy Pinner]

Hi Elizabeth,

What you are wanting with dates is an option in the Chronology View and Report.

However these aren't part of the free version of Legacy.

However in the Standard Free version, you can change the display for all dates 
in Options  Customise - Date Tab and this choice carries through to reports 
for all dates.

Note this isn't changing the entry order which should match your computer date 
format.
In Legacy 7.5 this appears as another choice on the Dates tab but in Legacy 8 
this is set automatically from the computer settings.

Cathy

elizabeth wrote:
 I use the free version of Legacy 7.5

 Is there a way to have the date for an Event display differently than
 other dates for other fields?

 All my dates display as Month/Day/Year, just as I want them to. But
 for Events I want them to display differently because I don''t always
 know the month and day.

 I want all the events to show up in 'book' style reports with the Year
 first, then month, the
n day so that they can be easily scanned.

 Right now I get this type of display which is difficult to look
 through

 1920
 1930
 September 8, 1933
 1940
 August, 1941

 I want it to look like this...

 1920
 1930
 1933, September 8
 1940
 1941, August

 Is there any way to enter dates for Events so the year displays first?


 Elizabeth




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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates and potential problems

[Brian/Support]

Is the potential problem the event or an invalid date error?
2002-Present will not be recognized as a valid date.

To avoid the invalid date warning you could enter the date as From 2002.
That will be recognized as valid.

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On 04-Dec-2013 10:39 PM, Bryan Pratt wrote:
 Legacy 8.0.0.357
 Windows 8.1

 I have myself recorded as a Residence Event living in a certain city from 
 quote “2002 - Present”.

 If on the individual Edit Event window I check “Exclude this instance of 
 this event from problem checking” and Save, the problem still remains. Or 
 is there another acceptable way to write this date?



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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates

[Michele/Support]

Rob,
I use the date of the event as my benchmark.  It just gets too complicated and 
confusing if you are using registration dates.  Is it possible that someone 
changed occupations in that 9 day span?  Sure, anything is possible but it is 
unlikely.  Here is another scenario…

Death certificates.  The informant most likely provides the information for the 
death certificate within a day or two of the death.  The actual document may 
not be recorded for days, weeks, or even months later (I have deaths that 
occurred in Oct/Nov that weren’t recorded until Jan.  Many times they are 
waiting for the doctor to sign off on it).  In this case going with the death 
date would be a much better bet.  I pull residence info off of death 
certificates for the spouse and the informant.  Were they still living there 
when the death certificate was actually recorded?  Who knows.

Having said that, if you did want to use the registration dates of vital 
documents (or publication dates of obits etc.) just make sure that you do it 
consistently :)

Michele
Technical Support
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

From: robs_familytree . [mailto:robs_familyt...@hotmail.ca]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 9:41 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Dates

Hi Sherry and Michele:

Leo's question about dates has me thinking, and I'm curious about your answers.

For the example below:

Name: Bob Smith
Born:  December 1, 2013

Father: John Smith
Occupation:  Farmer
Residence: Toronto, Ontario

Registered by John Smith / Father
Date Registered:  December 10, 2013

I can see December 1 as the date of the event itself. But because the event was 
not registered the same day as the birth, would it not be truer to assume that 
the Occupation and Residence of the father was probably as of  December 10, 
the registration date? Or am I too focused on minutia?

Thanks very much,

Rob Miller
Toronto, ON




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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates

[robs_familytree .]

Hi Sherry and Michele:

Leo's question about dates has me thinking, and I'm curious about your answers.

For the example below:

Name: Bob Smith
Born:  December 1, 2013

Father: John Smith
Occupation:  Farmer
Residence: Toronto, Ontario

Registered by John Smith / Father
Date Registered:  December 10, 2013

I can see December 1 as the date of the event itself. But because the event was 
not registered the same day as the birth, would it not be truer to assume that 
the Occupation and Residence of the father was probably as of  December 10, 
the registration date? Or am I too focused on minutia?

Thanks very much,

Rob Miller
Toronto, ON



 From: mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Dates
 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:49:41 -0500

 I agree with Sherry.  I do the same thing with obituaries.  I add residence 
 events for the listed surviving family members but I use the date of death, 
 not the day the obituary came out.


 Michele
 Technical Support
 mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
 www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

 -Original Message-
 From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
 Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:40 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates

 I would use the date of the event, not the date it was registered. You can 
 enter the date it was registered in the Source Detail, depending on the 
 format you're using. It could be entered in the Text filed under the 
 Text/Comments tab.

 The only time you would use a registration date is if you don't have the 
 actual date of the event, in which case you'd enter bef 3 Dec


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree


 On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:29 AM, lio . likeitouts...@hotmail.com wrote:
  Re-doing my database, has shown me many areas that I may have done 
  improperly the first time.
 
  If if a birth occurred December 1, but was registered December 3, which 
  date do you use when recording occupations, residences, and other side 
  information found on the document?
 
  Most likely people did not change jobs, or move in those few days between, 
  but i'm sure some did.
 
  I used to use the event date, i.e. December 1, but now I wonder if I should 
  have used the registration date of December 3.
 
  Sorry, I know this is not really a legacy question, except that I want to 
  input the information properly into my legacy file.
 
  Leo







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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates

[Kurt Kneeland]

I think too much minutia.



I think of Registered as the date the paperwork gets posted at the applicable 
government office which may be several days after the paperwork is filled out.  
However, your wording below implies that it might be the day the father signed 
the paperwork.



From: robs_familytree . [mailto:robs_familyt...@hotmail.ca]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 8:41 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Dates



Hi Sherry and Michele:

Leo's question about dates has me thinking, and I'm curious about your answers.

For the example below:

Name: Bob Smith
Born:  December 1, 2013

Father: John Smith
Occupation:  Farmer
Residence: Toronto, Ontario

Registered by John Smith / Father
Date Registered:  December 10, 2013

I can see December 1 as the date of the event itself. But because the event was 
not registered the same day as the birth, would it not be truer to assume that 
the Occupation and Residence of the father was probably as of  December 10, 
the registration date? Or am I too focused on minutia?

Thanks very much,

Rob Miller
Toronto, ON




 From: mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Dates
 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:49:41 -0500

 I agree with Sherry. I do the same thing with obituaries. I add residence 
 events for the listed surviving family members but I use the date of death, 
 not the day the obituary came out.


 Michele
 Technical Support
 mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
 www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

 -Original Message-
 From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
 Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:40 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates

 I would use the date of the event, not the date it was registered. You can 
 enter the date it was registered in the Source Detail, depending on the 
 format you're using. It could be entered in the Text filed under the 
 Text/Comments tab.

 The only time you would use a registration date is if you don't have the 
 actual date of the event, in which case you'd enter bef 3 Dec


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree


 On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:29 AM, lio . likeitouts...@hotmail.com wrote:
  Re-doing my database, has shown me many areas that I may have done 
  improperly the first time.
 
  If if a birth occurred December 1, but was registered December 3, which 
  date do you use when recording occupations, residences, and other side 
  information found on the document?
 
  Most likely people did not change jobs, or move in those few days between, 
  but i'm sure some did.
 
  I used to use the event date, i.e. December 1, but now I wonder if I should 
  have used the registration date of December 3.
 
  Sorry, I know this is not really a legacy question, except that I want to 
  input the information properly into my legacy file.
 
  Leo







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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates

[Graham Lambert]

It would probably seem as trivial detail for me when I consider that for
most ancestors, if I can find out their occupations every ten years,
then I think I'm doing well. Occasionally with directories etc, we can
get down to yearly for awhile, but that is rarer information.

Graham

On 12/01/2014 1:40 PM, robs_familytree . wrote:
 Hi Sherry and Michele:

 Leo's question about dates has me thinking, and I'm curious about your
 answers.

 For the example below:

 *Name: Bob Smith*
 *Born: December 1, 2013 *
 **
 *Father: John Smith*
 *Occupation:  Farmer
 Residence: Toronto, Ontario

 Registered by John Smith / Father*
 *Date Registered: December 10, 2013*

 I can see December 1 as the date of the event itself. But because the
 event was not registered the same day as the birth, would it not be
 truer to assume that the Occupation and Residence of the father was
 probably as of  December 10, the registration date? Or am I too
 focused on minutia?

 Thanks very much,

 Rob Miller
 Toronto, ON





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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates

[William Boswell]

The father could have died between December 1 and 10.  I would use the date of 
birth rather than the registration date.  I have an example:



My great grandfather died on April 1, 1930 at 10am, but he is listed in the 
1930 census on April 5, 1930 as father to head of household.  I was told the 
day the census taker came to his house he was lying in a casket in the front 
parlor.  The census form shows to name each person whose place of abode on 
April 1, 1930 was in this family.  His occupation would have ceased at 10am on 
April 1, 1930.  Anyone just using this census would not know he had died before 
April 5, 1930 unless they had seen an obituary.  According to records, he was 
actually buried on April 4 so the date of the census or that family lore about 
being in the casket in the parlor seems to be wrong.



It's ironic that he was a big practical joker then died on April Fool's Day.



Bill Boswell



From: robs_familytree . [mailto:robs_familyt...@hotmail.ca]
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 9:41 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Dates



Hi Sherry and Michele:

Leo's question about dates has me thinking, and I'm curious about your answers.

For the example below:

Name: Bob Smith
Born:  December 1, 2013

Father: John Smith
Occupation:  Farmer
Residence: Toronto, Ontario

Registered by John Smith / Father
Date Registered:  December 10, 2013

I can see December 1 as the date of the event itself. But because the event was 
not registered the same day as the birth, would it not be truer to assume that 
the Occupation and Residence of the father was probably as of  December 10, 
the registration date? Or am I too focused on minutia?

Thanks very much,

Rob Miller
Toronto, ON







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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates

[Kathy Thompson]

Rob - I think you are too focused on the minute details - I record the date
of birth, and then record the occupation with a note as per (other
document) for (relative's name)

Bill - good example and one to watch for I guess - but it's a bit hard for
a deceased person to register a birth as in Rob's example


On 12 January 2014 13:48, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com wrote:

 The father could have died between December 1 and 10.  I would use the
 date of birth rather than the registration date.  I have an example:



 My great grandfather died on April 1, 1930 at 10am, but he is listed in
 the 1930 census on April 5, 1930 as father to head of household.  I was
 told the day the census taker came to his house he was lying in a casket in
 the front parlor.  The census form shows to name each person whose place
 of abode on April 1, 1930 was in this family.  His occupation would have
 ceased at 10am on April 1, 1930.  Anyone just using this census would not
 know he had died before April 5, 1930 unless they had seen an obituary.
 According to records, he was actually buried on April 4 so the date of the
 census or that family lore about being in the casket in the parlor seems to
 be wrong.



 It's ironic that he was a big practical joker then died on April Fool's
 Day.



 Bill Boswell



 *From:* robs_familytree . [mailto:robs_familyt...@hotmail.ca]
 *Sent:* Saturday, January 11, 2014 9:41 PM
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] Dates



 Hi Sherry and Michele:

 Leo's question about dates has me thinking, and I'm curious about your
 answers.

 For the example below:

 *Name: Bob Smith*
 *Born:  **December 1, 2013 *

 *Father: John Smith*
 *Occupation:  Farmer*


 *Residence: Toronto, OntarioRegistered by John Smith / Father*
 *Date Registered:  **December 10, 2013*

 I can see December 1 as the date of the event itself. But because the
 event was not registered the same day as the birth, would it not be truer
 to assume that the Occupation and Residence of the father was probably as
 of  December 10, the registration date? Or am I too focused on minutia?

 Thanks very much,

 Rob Miller
 Toronto, ON




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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates

[CE WOOD]

Actually, the census is correct. It is important to understand the rules about 
census data:

The census day was NOT the day the enumerator arrived at a household; it was
the day for which all the statistics of the census were collected. The
instructions given to all the U.S. Marshals just prior to the 1820 census
explain:



All the questions refer to the day when the enumeration is to commence, the
first Monday in August next. Your assistants will thereby understand that
they are to insert in their returns all the persons belonging to the family
on the first Monday in August, even those who may be deceased at the time
when they take the account; and, on the other hand, that they will not
include in it infants born after that day.



Similar instructions have been given for every census since 1790, but with
different census days. The table below shows the census day for each census,
1790 to 1930, and the time allowed to take the census:



Census Year / Census Day / Time Allowed



1790 / 2 August / 9 months

1800 / 4 August / 9 months

1810 / 6 August / 10 months

1820 / 7 August / 13 months

1830 / 1 June / 12 months

1840 / 1 June / 18 months

1850 / 1 June / 5 months

1860 / 1 June / 5 months

1870/ 1 June / 5 months

1880 / 1 June/ 1 month

1890 / 1 June / 1 month

1900 / 1 June / 1 month

1910 / 15 April / 1 month

1920 / 1 January / 1 month

1930 / 1 April / 1 month


He was alive on 1 April 1930, albeit, for only 10 hours, but he was alive, so 
the census is correct.

CE

From: whbosw...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Dates
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 22:48:26 -0500
snip My great grandfather died on April 1, 1930 at 10am, but he is listed in 
the 1930 census on April 5, 1930 as father to head of household.  I was told 
the day the census taker came to his house he was lying in a casket in the 
front parlor.  The census form shows to name each person whose place of abode 
on April 1, 1930 was in this family.  His occupation would have ceased at 
10am on April 1, 1930.  Anyone just using this census would not know he had 
died before April 5, 1930 unless they had seen an obituary.  According to 
records, he was actually buried on April 4 so the date of the census or that 
family lore about being in the casket in the parlor seems to be wrong. It's 
ironic that he was a big practical joker then died on April Fool's Day. Bill 
Boswell


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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates

[Jenny M Benson]

On 10/01/2014 17:29, lio . wrote:
 Re-doing my database, has shown me many areas that I may have done
 improperly the first time.

 If if a birth occurred December 1, but was registered December 3,
 which date do you use when recording occupations, residences, and
 other side information found on the document?

 Most likely people did not change jobs, or move in those few days
 between, but i'm sure some did.

It's a tricky one because it rather depends how the question was phrased
or how the informant understood it.  If the informant of the birth was
the father he might think it important to give information, eg his
address or occupation, as it was at the time of the birth, or he might
give a straightforward answer to what is your occupation? and give it
as it was on that day.

Unless I know differently I usually give the date the information was
given - in this case the registration date - and say something like as
stated on his son's Birth Certificate in the Event Notes.

But you also get instances like the father's occupation stated on a
Marriage Register and the father is actually dead at the time.  In that
case you either omit the date or say something like on date his
occupation was given as ...
--
Jenny M Benson



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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

It's very much like the date of a wedding. Many times the actual wedding was 
performed on one day but the minister did not return the license for recording 
by the clerk until some days later. I can't think of anyone that would want to 
use the date of recording because that is purely an administrative performance 
date and not the date of the actual event as Sherry says.

To take it one step further, image the same circumstances regarding a date of a 
death. Many times the death certificate was recorded well after the death. The 
death certificate itself almost always has a specific entry for Date of Death 
even though the form itself may be signed by an attending physician and/or 
recorded several days later.


Brian in CA

-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 9:40 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates

I would use the date of the event, not the date it was registered. You can 
enter the date it was registered in the Source Detail, depending on the format 
you're using. It could be entered in the Text filed under the Text/Comments tab.

The only time you would use a registration date is if you don't have the actual 
date of the event, in which case you'd enter bef 3 Dec


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:29 AM, lio . likeitouts...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Re-doing my database, has shown me many areas that I may have done improperly 
 the first time.

 If if a birth occurred December 1, but was registered December 3, which date 
 do you use when recording occupations, residences, and other side information 
 found on the document?

 Most likely people did not change jobs, or move in those few days between, 
 but i'm sure some did.

 I used to use the event date, i.e. December 1, but now I wonder if I should 
 have used the registration date of December 3.

 Sorry, I know this is not really a legacy question, except that I want to 
 input the information properly into my legacy file.

 Leo





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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates

[Michele/Support]

I agree with Sherry.  I do the same thing with obituaries.  I add residence 
events for the listed surviving family members but I use the date of death, not 
the day the obituary came out.


Michele
Technical Support
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

-Original Message-
From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:40 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates

I would use the date of the event, not the date it was registered. You can 
enter the date it was registered in the Source Detail, depending on the format 
you're using. It could be entered in the Text filed under the Text/Comments tab.

The only time you would use a registration date is if you don't have the actual 
date of the event, in which case you'd enter bef 3 Dec


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:29 AM, lio . likeitouts...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Re-doing my database, has shown me many areas that I may have done improperly 
 the first time.

 If if a birth occurred December 1, but was registered December 3, which date 
 do you use when recording occupations, residences, and other side information 
 found on the document?

 Most likely people did not change jobs, or move in those few days between, 
 but i'm sure some did.

 I used to use the event date, i.e. December 1, but now I wonder if I should 
 have used the registration date of December 3.

 Sorry, I know this is not really a legacy question, except that I want to 
 input the information properly into my legacy file.

 Leo




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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates

[David Abernathy]

I would use the date of the birth, as that is what the event is, not the 
registration of the birth. Some registrations may not be done for days, weeks 
or even months.

Even in modern times, when there is no birth certificate and one applies for a 
Delayed one, it may be 30-70 years later. Think about all of those delayed 
birth certificates that were obtain just so one could get their Social Security 
number, back in 1930's

Thanks,
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-Original Message-
From: lio . [mailto:likeitouts...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 9:29 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Dates

Re-doing my database, has shown me many areas that I may have done improperly 
the first time.

If if a birth occurred December 1, but was registered December 3, which date do 
you use when recording occupations, residences, and other side information 
found on the document?

Most likely people did not change jobs, or move in those few days between, but 
i'm sure some did.

I used to use the event date, i.e. December 1, but now I wonder if I should 
have used the registration date of December 3.

Sorry, I know this is not really a legacy question, except that I want to input 
the information properly into my legacy file.

Leo

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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates

[Jenny M Benson]

On 10/01/2014 23:47, David Abernathy wrote:
 I would use the date of the birth, as that is what the event is, not
 the registration of the birth. Some registrations may not be done for
 days, weeks or even months.

But the OP was asking about Sourcing information such as the Occupation
of someone (probably the father) named on the Certificate.  If the birth
was registered some time after the event there is even more chance of
Dad having changed his occupation in the meantime and may well, if he is
the informant also, give his *current* occupation rather than the one he
had several weeks or months ago when the birth took place.

--
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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates and potential problems

[Kurt Kneeland]

After experimenting a bit, I found that date ranges can be entered either with 
a / (eg 1988/1992), with a – (eg 1988-1992) which gets converted or displayed 
in the / format, or in a from-to format (eg From 1988 To 1992).  In the latter 
format, it still doesn’t like the word Present, but you can just leave off the 
To clause (eg From 1988).  This would be similar to saying After 1988, but with 
a minor difference in implication.  After implies a one-time event occurring 
sometime after the specified date, while From implies an on-going activity 
starting at the given date and continuing to the present unless the To clause 
is there to specify the ending date.



The From/To format does display appropriately on the Timeline in the Chronology 
part of the Individual Report.  From/To shows a bar covering the time range and 
From shows a triangle at the starting point.  I didn’t look to see how an After 
date is displayed on the Timeline.



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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates and potential problems



After 2002 (in date)

and to present date, as at December 2013 (in Notes)

is how I am doing this kind of thing



On 5 December 2013 13:39, Bryan Pratt brya...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:

Legacy 8.0.0.357
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I have myself recorded as a Residence Event living in a certain city from quote 
“2002 - Present”.

If on the individual Edit Event window I check “Exclude this instance of this 
event from problem checking” and Save, the problem still remains. Or is there 
another acceptable way to write this date?





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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates and potential problems

[John B. Lisle]

Kurt,
Yes, dates can be entered this way, but I recommend that you not do it!
This is not a valid date format and does not export well to other
programs.
When I want a quick date entry of a range, I will prefix that with either
bet or from; the first expands to bet x and y; the second to from x to
y.
The word present in a date range probably should not be
created as an option, event though it seems useful. Not only is it not
going to be understood in Gedcom by another program, but more importantly
when you create a report including that person a year from now, it may no
longer be true.
I would usually enter it with current month and year and then include in
notes something like as of (today), this was still
true.
john.

At 09:09 AM 12/5/2013, Kurt Kneeland wrote:
After experimenting a bit, I
found that date ranges can be entered either with a / (eg 1988/1992),
with a – (eg 1988-1992) which gets converted or dispplayed in the /
format, or in a from-to format (eg From 1988 To 1992). In the
latter format, it still doesn’t like the word Present, but you can just
leave off the To clause (eg From 1988). This would be similar to
saying After 1988, but with a minor difference in implication.Â
After implies a one-time event occurring sometime after the specified
date, while From implies an on-going activity starting at the given date
and continuing to the present unless the To clause is there to specify
the ending date.

The From/To format does display appropriately on the Timeline in the
Chronology part of the Individual Report. From/To shows a bar
covering the time range and From shows a triangle at the starting
point. I didn’t look to see how an After date is displayed on
the Timeline.

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Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates and potential problems

After 2002 (in date)
and to present date, as at December 2013 (in Notes)
is how I am doing this kind of thing

On 5 December 2013 13:39, Bryan Pratt
brya...@slingshot.co.nz
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Legacy 8.0.0.357
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I have myself recorded as a Residence Event living in a certain city from
quote “2002 - Present”.
If on the individual Edit Event window I check “Exclude this instance
of this event from problem checking” and Save, the problem still
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[LegacyUG] Dates (again)and potential problems L8

[Bryan Pratt]

I have a Death event dated Sunday, 17 April 1927. I would like to keep it as 
is, with the day included. Even if I check “ exclude this instance of the event 
from problem checking” AND left click on ! (Potential Problems Report) window 
and  click Mark as Not a Problem and Close. The PP still remains.

Any answers

Bryan

NZ






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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates (again)and potential problems L8

[Kathy Thompson]

If you have created your Death Event as an event that will always occur
after the date of death, And you use Deluxe, click on Sentence Definition
and then select Exclude this event from Potential Problems (or words to
that effect)


On 6 December 2013 13:53, Bryan Pratt brya...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:

  I have a Death event dated Sunday, 17 April 1927. I would like to keep
 it as is, with the day included. Even if I check “ exclude this instance of
 the event from problem checking” AND left click on ! (Potential Problems
 Report) window and  click Mark as Not a Problem and Close. The PP still
 remains.
 Any answers
 Bryan
 NZ

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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates (again)and potential problems L8

[Jay 1FamilyTree]

Did you 'rebuild' the list or just reopen the existing list.
You have to rebulid the list in order to see any changes made since when
the current listing was created,




On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Bryan Pratt brya...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:

  I have a Death event dated Sunday, 17 April 1927. I would like to keep
 it as is, with the day included. Even if I check “ exclude this instance of
 the event from problem checking” AND left click on ! (Potential Problems
 Report) window and  click Mark as Not a Problem and Close. The PP still
 remains.
 Any answers
 Bryan
 NZ

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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates (again)and potential problems L8

[Kurt Kneeland]

Curious.  When I do it, the marker disappears immediately.  Although another 
marker on a child of the saying that the parent’s birth date is bad still 
remains.



From: Bryan Pratt [mailto:brya...@slingshot.co.nz]
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 9:54 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Dates (again)and potential problems L8



I have a Death event dated Sunday, 17 April 1927. I would like to keep it as 
is, with the day included. Even if I check “ exclude this instance of the event 
from problem checking” AND left click on ! (Potential Problems Report) window 
and  click Mark as Not a Problem and Close. The PP still remains.

Any answers

Bryan

NZ



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[LegacyUG] Dates and potential problems

[Bryan Pratt]

Legacy 8.0.0.357
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I have myself recorded as a Residence Event living in a certain city from quote 
“2002 - Present”.

If on the individual Edit Event window I check “Exclude this instance of this 
event from problem checking” and Save, the problem still remains. Or is there 
another acceptable way to write this date?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates and potential problems

[Kathy Thompson]

After 2002 (in date)
and to present date, as at December 2013 (in Notes)

is how I am doing this kind of thing


On 5 December 2013 13:39, Bryan Pratt brya...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:

  Legacy 8.0.0.357
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 I have myself recorded as a Residence Event living in a certain city from
 quote “2002 - Present”.
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 this event from problem checking” and Save, the problem still remains. Or
 is there another acceptable way to write this date?



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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates in CSV file

[Alan Pereira]

Mary, the dates are not wrong they are just different formats.  Excel applies 
an intelligent automatic formatting of dates which depends on the input 
formatting and the century part of the date.  Hal Antonson has already replied 
on how to overcome this.
The intelligence is laughable if you consider the date you mentioned
Just type into excel in 2 dirrent cells
1 sep 1913
1 sep 2013
The result is the same 1-sep-13
Although in the fx display above the columns the date is identified correctly
Alan Pereira

-Original Message-
From: M. Brenzel [mailto:brenze...@roadrunner.com]
Sent: 28 February 2012 02:14
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Dates in CSV file

I have created a CSV file from the Name List containing Surname/Given Name, 
Living Indicator, Birth Date, and Death Date.  When I look at the file in 
Notepad, the dates look good.  But when I open it in Excel, some of the dates 
are formatted differently than most of the others.

For example, the date 1 Sep 1913 in Legacy looks the same in Notepad but in 
Excel, it is displayed as 1-Sep-13.  When I look at the table in Access 
(tblIR), the dates look different than those that are correct.

Does anyone have an idea why the dates are messed up for some people but not 
others?  And is there an easy way to fix them?

Thanks,
Mary








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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates in CSV file

[Mike Fry]

On 2012/02/28 13:49, M. Brenzel wrote:

 I have Excel 2007.  Re-formatting the entire column is not an option, as
 dates that are year only (for example, 1965) get messed up.

Legacy dates are not always 'true' dates. It would be better if your
spreadsheets treated Legacy dates as simple, plain text.

--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates in CSV file

[brenzelmf]

I'm hoping that someone can tell me why some of the dates in Legacy are coming 
into the CSV file in format dd-mmm-yy (1-Sep-13) while others are dd mmm 
 (1 Sep 1913).  It is from there that they are displayed incorrectly in 
Excel.

All of the dates in Legacy look to be formatted the same.

Thanks.
Mary

 Mike Fry mike...@iafrica.com wrote:
 On 2012/02/28 13:49, M. Brenzel wrote:

  I have Excel 2007.  Re-formatting the entire column is not an option, as
  dates that are year only (for example, 1965) get messed up.

 Legacy dates are not always 'true' dates. It would be better if your
 spreadsheets treated Legacy dates as simple, plain text.

 --
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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates in CSV file

[Jenny M Benson]

On 28/02/2012 17:28, brenze...@roadrunner.com wrote:
 I'm hoping that someone can tell me why some of the dates in Legacy
 are coming into the CSV file in format dd-mmm-yy (1-Sep-13) while
 others are dd mmm  (1 Sep 1913).  It is from there that they
 are displayed incorrectly in Excel.

 All of the dates in Legacy look to be formatted the same.

I may be quite wrong about this, but I have an idea that Legacy will
accept dates input in any of several formats, but displays them in the
format chosen by the user.

If this is the case, I think dates will be exported to the CSV file in
the format they were entered, not in the format they were displayed.

You could test this by entering a couple of dates in different formats
and then export them and seeing how they look in Excel.  I haven't time
to do that myself at the moment.

--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates in CSV file

[M. Brenzel]

I won't be able to try it until later tonight.  But I can tell you that it 
appears to only affect full dates after 1 Dec 1900.  Dates in the 20th and 21st 
centuries seem to be affected if the full date has been entered.  Any dates 
prior to that are captured correctly in the CSV file and therefore, open 
correctly in Excel.

For example, 19 Jul 1905 is displayed in Legacy with the BirthD field in tblIR 
=  0019071905 and BirthSD = 19050719.  The CSV file shows it as 
19-Jul-05 and when opened in Excel, the fx displays it as 7/19/2005.

Mary

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 28, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote:

 On 28/02/2012 17:28, brenze...@roadrunner.com wrote:
 I'm hoping that someone can tell me why some of the dates in Legacy
 are coming into the CSV file in format dd-mmm-yy (1-Sep-13) while
 others are dd mmm  (1 Sep 1913).  It is from there that they
 are displayed incorrectly in Excel.

 All of the dates in Legacy look to be formatted the same.

 I may be quite wrong about this, but I have an idea that Legacy will
 accept dates input in any of several formats, but displays them in the
 format chosen by the user.

 If this is the case, I think dates will be exported to the CSV file in
 the format they were entered, not in the format they were displayed.

 You could test this by entering a couple of dates in different formats
 and then export them and seeing how they look in Excel.  I haven't time
 to do that myself at the moment.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates in CSV file

[Paul R.]

Excel doesn't recognize dates prior to 1900 so it will leave those
alone.  Dates starting with 1900 are converted to a number so you can do
'arithmetic' on them.  Thus full dates are converted and partial dates
are not.  You must have the date formatting in excel set up to show
m/d/.  Those that aren't recognized as dates aren't  formatted.

Paul

On 2/28/2012 3:07 PM, M. Brenzel wrote:
 I won't be able to try it until later tonight.  But I can tell you that it 
 appears to only affect full dates after 1 Dec 1900.  Dates in the 20th and 
 21st centuries seem to be affected if the full date has been entered.  Any 
 dates prior to that are captured correctly in the CSV file and therefore, 
 open correctly in Excel.

 For example, 19 Jul 1905 is displayed in Legacy with the BirthD field in 
 tblIR =  0019071905 and BirthSD = 19050719.  The CSV file shows it as 
 19-Jul-05 and when opened in Excel, the fx displays it as 7/19/2005.

 Mary

 Sent from my iPad

 On Feb 28, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Jenny M Bensonge...@cedarbank.me.uk  wrote:

 On 28/02/2012 17:28, brenze...@roadrunner.com wrote:
 I'm hoping that someone can tell me why some of the dates in Legacy
 are coming into the CSV file in format dd-mmm-yy (1-Sep-13) while
 others are dd mmm  (1 Sep 1913).  It is from there that they
 are displayed incorrectly in Excel.

 All of the dates in Legacy look to be formatted the same.
 I may be quite wrong about this, but I have an idea that Legacy will
 accept dates input in any of several formats, but displays them in the
 format chosen by the user.

 If this is the case, I think dates will be exported to the CSV file in
 the format they were entered, not in the format they were displayed.

 You could test this by entering a couple of dates in different formats
 and then export them and seeing how they look in Excel.  I haven't time
 to do that myself at the moment.

 --
 Jenny M Benson


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[LegacyUG] Dates in CSV file

[M. Brenzel]

I have created a CSV file from the Name List containing Surname/Given Name,
Living Indicator, Birth Date, and Death Date.  When I look at the file in
Notepad, the dates look good.  But when I open it in Excel, some of the
dates are formatted differently than most of the others.

For example, the date 1 Sep 1913 in Legacy looks the same in Notepad but in
Excel, it is displayed as 1-Sep-13.  When I look at the table in Access
(tblIR), the dates look different than those that are correct.

Does anyone have an idea why the dates are messed up for some people but
not others?  And is there an easy way to fix them?

Thanks,
Mary








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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates in CSV file

[Jerry]

What version of Excel are you using?  The newest versions will alow you to 
format dates with 4 digits for the year.  Highlight or select the entire 
column, go to Format cells, select the number tab, select Date and then select 
the specific format you want.  I hope this helps.  Jerry

M. Brenzel brenze...@roadrunner.com wrote:

I have created a CSV file from the Name List containing Surname/Given Name,
Living Indicator, Birth Date, and Death Date.  When I look at the file in
Notepad, the dates look good.  But when I open it in Excel, some of the
dates are formatted differently than most of the others.

For example, the date 1 Sep 1913 in Legacy looks the same in Notepad but in
Excel, it is displayed as 1-Sep-13.  When I look at the table in Access
(tblIR), the dates look different than those that are correct.

Does anyone have an idea why the dates are messed up for some people but
not others?  And is there an easy way to fix them?

Thanks,
Mary








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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates in CSV file

[Hal Antonson]

Mary,
Highlight the Excel column then format as custom 'd mmm ' (without the 
quotes). From the Home menu, click right adjust so they line up on right. 
Things should look good. If you need to do arithmetic on the dates, remember 
that dates before 1900 are really just text instead of numbers. If you need to 
work with those early ones, look at installing Xdate as an Excel addin.
  - Original Message -
  From: M. Brenzelmailto:brenze...@roadrunner.com
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.commailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 6:14 PM
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Dates in CSV file


  I have created a CSV file from the Name List containing Surname/Given Name,
  Living Indicator, Birth Date, and Death Date.  When I look at the file in
  Notepad, the dates look good.  But when I open it in Excel, some of the
  dates are formatted differently than most of the others.

  For example, the date 1 Sep 1913 in Legacy looks the same in Notepad but in
  Excel, it is displayed as 1-Sep-13.  When I look at the table in Access
  (tblIR), the dates look different than those that are correct.

  Does anyone have an idea why the dates are messed up for some people but
  not others?  And is there an easy way to fix them?

  Thanks,
  Mary








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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates in Picture Center

[Richard Van Wasshnova]

Mary,

Those picture dates are stored in tblBR.PicDate.

Thanks to your Heads Up I noticed when it happened to me yesterday.
I had recently read your original post and was attaching some
gravestone pictures to burial events. I found one in Picture Gallery
attached to an Individual. I cut (from Individual) and pasted it to
Burial (using Mouse). Since the date was blank and I knew the date my
brother took the picture I right clicked to the left of Date to bring
up the MRU (Most Recently Used Dates). To my surprise the MRU would
not come up. I typed in 8/2/2011 and clicked on description expecting
it to display 2 Aug 2011 but it did not change. Next I went to his
wife's Picture Gallery and typed in 8/2/2011 which did change to 2 Aug
2011 when I clicked out. The MRU also came up OK. When I went back to
the husband's Picture Gallery the date 8/2/2011 had changed to 2 Aug
2011. I dated over 20 headstone pictures and only once it didn;t
format as a date and then it was temporary.
I display dates like you do (example 3 April 1881) but enter mm/dd/.

Now I look in tblBR.PicDate and all dates I entered as 8/2/2011 are
shown there as 2 Aug 2011 but many dates are still as entered
2007-10-22 or 12/21/2005.

I don't have Access on this computer (just ltools). Access may be able
to reformat that field to date format to make them all standard dates.

Dennis! Help please!

--
Richard Van Wasshnova


On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 6:50 PM, M. Brenzel brenze...@roadrunner.com wrote:
 I have been adding dates to pictures and document images in Picture Center.
 Sometimes, the date remains as entered.  Sometimes, the month part of the
 date is shortened.  For example, 1 August 1881 gets shortened to 1 Aug 1881
 when I leave the record.  3 April 1881 remains that way on some but becomes
 3 Apr 1881 on others.



 Has anyone else seen this?  Can anyone duplicate it?



 Also, I’ve looked in the database via Access and don’t see where these dates
 are stored.  I thought if I could fix them that way, I might be able to get
 around this.



 Thanks!

 Mary



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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates in Picture Center

[Dennis M . Kowallek]

On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:10:49 -0700, Richard Van Wasshnova
rfvanwasshn...@gmail.com wrote:

I don't have Access on this computer (just ltools). Access may be able
to reformat that field to date format to make them all standard dates.

No. I believe the field is designed as Text(30). It is not a Date field.
Any formatting is done by Legacy's code, not Jet.

***

I don't understand why this field is different from the other date
fields in Legacy.

--

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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates in Picture Center

[Ron Ferguson]

Mary,

Have you checked your date settings in OptionsCustomiseDates?

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: M. Brenzel
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 1:50 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Dates in Picture Center

I have been adding dates to pictures and document images in Picture Center.  
Sometimes, the date remains as entered.  Sometimes, the month part of the date 
is shortened.  For example, 1 August 1881 gets shortened to 1 Aug 1881 when I 
leave the record.  3 April 1881 remains that way on some but becomes 3 Apr 1881 
on others.



Has anyone else seen this?  Can anyone duplicate it?



Also, I’ve looked in the database via Access and don’t see where these dates 
are stored.  I thought if I could fix them that way, I might be able to get 
around this.



Thanks!

Mary




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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates in Picture Center

[M. Brenzel]

Ron,

I checked my settings:
Dates Displayed As = 21 Nov 1953
Month Format = Abbr. month name

I would think that this would indicate that all of my dates would be DD MMM 
 but they are not.  Some of them actually have the month spelled out 
completely.  But that's only in the Picture Center.  In BMD and events, the 
dates appear that way.

If I change the option to Month Format = Full month name, then I can change the 
months in Picture Center and they stick.

Mary




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[LegacyUG] Dates in Picture Center

[M. Brenzel]

I have been adding dates to pictures and document images in Picture Center.
Sometimes, the date remains as entered.  Sometimes, the month part of the
date is shortened.  For example, 1 August 1881 gets shortened to 1 Aug 1881
when I leave the record.  3 April 1881 remains that way on some but becomes
3 Apr 1881 on others.



Has anyone else seen this?  Can anyone duplicate it?



Also, I've looked in the database via Access and don't see where these dates
are stored.  I thought if I could fix them that way, I might be able to get
around this.



Thanks!

Mary





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[LegacyUG] dates

[Randy Clark]

17 October 1923 is returning an unrecognized format error. I'd like to know
why. Thanks.

Randy


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Re: [LegacyUG] dates

[Tim Rosenlof]

Randy,

which field ?

Tim

On 8/21/2011 8:57 AM, Randy Clark wrote:
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 know why. Thanks.

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Re: [LegacyUG] dates

[Tim Rosenlof]

Do some house keeping. Use File  File Maintenance  Check/Repair. See
if that will help.

Tim

On 8/21/2011 10:29 AM, Randy Clark wrote:
 In the birthdate field. See attachment.

 On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Jerry jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com
 mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com wrote:

 Did you check to see how you have your date selections under
 options/ customize?  There are options there to use American or
 European styling there.  Then try entering the numeric equivalent
 and see what happens.

 Randy Clark ceddaco...@gmail.com mailto:ceddaco...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 17 October 1923 is returning an unrecognized format error. I'd
 like to know
 why. Thanks.
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] dates

[Randy Clark]

It gave me Error opening database. I don't like that.

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com wrote:

 Do some house keeping. Use File  File Maintenance  Check/Repair. See
 if that will help.

 Tim

 On 8/21/2011 10:29 AM, Randy Clark wrote:
  In the birthdate field. See attachment.
 
  On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Jerry jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com
  mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Did you check to see how you have your date selections under
  options/ customize?  There are options there to use American or
  European styling there.  Then try entering the numeric equivalent
  and see what happens.
 
  Randy Clark ceddaco...@gmail.com mailto:ceddaco...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  17 October 1923 is returning an unrecognized format error. I'd
  like to know
  why. Thanks.
  
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Re: [LegacyUG] dates

[Tim Rosenlof]

Randy,

I know what I would do, yet I don't wish to be criticized, so maybe
someone else would answer this.

Regrets,
Tim

On 8/21/2011 12:03 PM, Randy Clark wrote:
 It gave me Error opening database. I don't like that.

 On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com
 mailto:spa...@xmission.com wrote:

 Do some house keeping. Use File  File Maintenance  Check/Repair. See
 if that will help.

 Tim

 On 8/21/2011 10:29 AM, Randy Clark wrote:
  In the birthdate field. See attachment.
 
  On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Jerry
 jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com
  mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com
 mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Did you check to see how you have your date selections under
  options/ customize?  There are options there to use American or
  European styling there.  Then try entering the numeric
 equivalent
  and see what happens.
 
  Randy Clark ceddaco...@gmail.com
 mailto:ceddaco...@gmail.com mailto:ceddaco...@gmail.com
 mailto:ceddaco...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  17 October 1923 is returning an unrecognized format error. I'd
  like to know
  why. Thanks.
  
  Randy



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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates for Events

[Jenny M Benson]

Brian L. Lightfoot wrote
One notable exception might be for a US census event. While it would be
correct to use the actual date of the census enumeration, one must be
careful about the timeliness of any information derived from within
that event. For example, while the data may have been given on October
15th, it was correct only as of June 1st of that census year. I have at
least one example of where one of my ancestors appears on a census
enumeration done in October; he actually had died 3 months earlier.

I had thought about adding a note of caution!  I often use a Baptism
record as a Source for the parents' address but I recently had an
instance where both the child's parents were named and an address given,
but I happened to know that the mother had died shortly after the birth
and some time before the Baptism.

(Even the use of the word correct is questionable!)
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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates for Events

[Rob Miller]

Thanks Ron! It's something that's always wondered about.

Rob













 From: ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates for Events
 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 22:32:20 +0100

 Rob Miller wrote:
 While I clean up my Sources, I am also going back and creating Events
 (something fairly new for me).

 If my Source is the birth record below, would the date of Thomas'
 Occupation and Residence be 28 June 1868 (the date Flora was
 born), or 17 Jul 1868 (the date he registered)?

 Which date do people enter into Events?


 No. 185
 *1. When and where born: Twenty Eighth June 1868 / Campden
 2. Name, if any: Flora
 3. Sex: Girl
 4. Name and surname of father: Thomas Wilkes
 5. Name, surname and maiden surname of mother: Fanny Wilkes /
 formerly Brotheridge
 6. Occupation of father: Farm Labourer
 7. Signature, description and residence of informant: Thomas Wilks /
 Father / Campden
 *8: When registered: Seventeenth July 1868

 Thanks again!!

 Rob


 Rob Miller
 Toronto, ON

 Rob,

 Box 1 gives the date and place of birth, as stated in the box header. It is
 not necessarily the same as the family residence, although if not a hospital
 nor a nursing home, it is probable. However, Box 7 should confirm (unless
 they have moved house between the birth and registration. I would expect the
 informant to give their place of residence as being that at the time of
 registration.

 Box 6 poses an interesting question, and one which I have never asked
 myself. Strictly speaking it should be as at birth, although I can easily
 see the informant giving the current occupation. In this case it is
 unlikely to have changed, but in any event take your pick!

 Ron Ferguson
 _

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 http://www.fergys.co.uk
 Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
 And the Fergusons of N.W. England
 




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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates for Events

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

The instructions at the time were, to answer the questions as if they were 
answered on the 1st of June, not the day the census taker actually got to your 
house. They were to ignore children born after that day, which my relative was, 
and include people who died after that date, which you have an example of. In 
my own work, I have found that most 'takers' got it right.
Rich in LA CA

--- On Wed, 4/21/10, Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com wrote:

 From: Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Dates for Events
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 9:58 PM
 One notable exception might be for a
 US census event. While it would be correct to use the actual
 date of the census enumeration, one must be careful about
 the timeliness of any information derived from within that
 event. For example, while the data may have been given on
 October 15th, it was correct only as of June 1st of that
 census year. I have at least one example of where one of my
 ancestors appears on a census enumeration done in October;
 he actually had died 3 months earlier.

 Brian in CA


  -Original Message-
  From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
  Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:40 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates for Events
 
  Rob Miller wrote
  If my Source is the birth record below, would the
 date of Thomas'
  Occupation and Residence be 28 June 1868 (the
 date Flora was
  born),
  or 17 Jul 1868 (the date he registered)?
  
  Which date do people enter into Events?
 
  I always take it that the information is correct for
 the day on which
  it
  is given, so in your case I would use the date of
 Registration, not the
  date of Birth.
  --
  Jenny M Benson
 




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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates for Events

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

This is probably to what Jenny was eluding was she mentioned the precariousness 
of the word correct. In the case of census data, a lot depended upon the 
truthfulness of those being enumerated and then a lot also depended upon the 
precision and uniformity amongst the various enumerators.

Brian in CA


 -Original Message-
 From: John S. Adams [mailto:oldbr...@hotmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 10:09 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates for Events

 And I have many instances of data which was correct on the enumeration
 date
 but not correct on the official census date.

 John S. Adams
 Hermosa Beach, CA

 --
 From: Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com
 Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:58 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Dates for Events

  One notable exception might be for a US census event. While it would
 be
  correct to use the actual date of the census enumeration, one must be
  careful about the timeliness of any information derived from within
 that
  event. For example, while the data may have been given on October
 15th, it
  was correct only as of June 1st of that census year. I have at least
 one
  example of where one of my ancestors appears on a census enumeration
 done
  in October; he actually had died 3 months earlier.
 
  Brian in CA





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[LegacyUG] Dates for Events

[Rob Miller]

While I clean up my Sources, I am also going back and creating Events 
(something fairly new for me).

If my Source is the birth record below, would the date of Thomas' Occupation 
and Residence be 28 June 1868 (the date Flora was born), or 17 Jul 1868 (the 
date he registered)?

Which date do people enter into Events?


No.  185
*1. When and where born:  Twenty Eighth June 1868 / Campden
2. Name, if any:  Flora
3. Sex:  Girl
4. Name and surname of father:  Thomas Wilkes
5. Name, surname and maiden surname of mother:  Fanny Wilkes / formerly 
Brotheridge
6. Occupation of father:  Farm Labourer
7. Signature, description and residence of informant:  Thomas Wilks / Father / 
Campden
*8: When registered:  Seventeenth July 1868

Thanks again!!

Rob


Rob Miller
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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates for Events

[Ron Ferguson]

Rob Miller wrote:
 While I clean up my Sources, I am also going back and creating Events
 (something fairly new for me).

 If my Source is the birth record below, would the date of Thomas'
 Occupation and Residence be 28 June 1868 (the date Flora was
 born), or 17 Jul 1868 (the date he registered)?

 Which date do people enter into Events?


 No.  185
 *1. When and where born:  Twenty Eighth June 1868 / Campden
 2. Name, if any:  Flora
 3. Sex:  Girl
 4. Name and surname of father:  Thomas Wilkes
 5. Name, surname and maiden surname of mother:  Fanny Wilkes /
 formerly Brotheridge
 6. Occupation of father:  Farm Labourer
 7. Signature, description and residence of informant:  Thomas Wilks /
 Father / Campden
 *8: When registered:  Seventeenth July 1868

 Thanks again!!

 Rob


 Rob Miller
 Toronto, ON

Rob,

Box 1 gives the date and place of birth, as stated in the box header. It is
not necessarily the same as the family residence, although if not a hospital
nor a nursing home, it is probable. However, Box 7 should confirm (unless
they have moved house between the birth and registration. I would expect the
informant to give their place of residence as being that at the time of
registration.

Box 6 poses an interesting question, and one which I have never asked
myself. Strictly speaking it should be as at birth, although I can easily
see the informant giving the current occupation. In  this case it is
unlikely to have changed, but in any event take your pick!

Ron Ferguson
_

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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates for Events

[Toni Sano]

Ron
my event or any event  LOL
 but in any event take your pick!

Toni Sano, Dundas, Canada



- Original Message -
From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates for Events


Rob Miller wrote:
 While I clean up my Sources, I am also going back and creating Events
 (something fairly new for me).

 If my Source is the birth record below, would the date of Thomas'
 Occupation and Residence be 28 June 1868 (the date Flora was
 born), or 17 Jul 1868 (the date he registered)?

 Which date do people enter into Events?


 No.  185
 *1. When and where born:  Twenty Eighth June 1868 / Campden
 2. Name, if any:  Flora
 3. Sex:  Girl
 4. Name and surname of father:  Thomas Wilkes
 5. Name, surname and maiden surname of mother:  Fanny Wilkes /
 formerly Brotheridge
 6. Occupation of father:  Farm Labourer
 7. Signature, description and residence of informant:  Thomas Wilks /
 Father / Campden
 *8: When registered:  Seventeenth July 1868

 Thanks again!!

 Rob


 Rob Miller
 Toronto, ON

Rob,

Box 1 gives the date and place of birth, as stated in the box header. It is
not necessarily the same as the family residence, although if not a hospital
nor a nursing home, it is probable. However, Box 7 should confirm (unless
they have moved house between the birth and registration. I would expect the
informant to give their place of residence as being that at the time of
registration.

Box 6 poses an interesting question, and one which I have never asked
myself. Strictly speaking it should be as at birth, although I can easily
see the informant giving the current occupation. In  this case it is
unlikely to have changed, but in any event take your pick!

Ron Ferguson
_

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http://www.fergys.co.uk
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And the Fergusons of N.W. England





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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates for Events

[Jenny M Benson]

Rob Miller wrote
If my Source is the birth record below, would the date of Thomas'
Occupation and Residence be 28 June 1868 (the date Flora was born),
or 17 Jul 1868 (the date he registered)?

Which date do people enter into Events?

I always take it that the information is correct for the day on which it
is given, so in your case I would use the date of Registration, not the
date of Birth.
--
Jenny M Benson



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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates for Events

[Ron Ferguson]

Close, Toni, Close!

Ron Ferguson
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Toni Sano wrote:
 Ron
 my event or any event  LOL
  but in any event take your pick!

 Toni Sano, Dundas, Canada



 - Original Message -
 From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 5:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates for Events


 Rob Miller wrote:
 While I clean up my Sources, I am also going back and creating Events
 (something fairly new for me).

 If my Source is the birth record below, would the date of Thomas'
 Occupation and Residence be 28 June 1868 (the date Flora was
 born), or 17 Jul 1868 (the date he registered)?

 Which date do people enter into Events?


 No.  185
 *1. When and where born:  Twenty Eighth June 1868 / Campden
 2. Name, if any:  Flora
 3. Sex:  Girl
 4. Name and surname of father:  Thomas Wilkes
 5. Name, surname and maiden surname of mother:  Fanny Wilkes /
 formerly Brotheridge
 6. Occupation of father:  Farm Labourer
 7. Signature, description and residence of informant:  Thomas Wilks /
 Father / Campden
 *8: When registered:  Seventeenth July 1868

 Thanks again!!

 Rob


 Rob Miller
 Toronto, ON

 Rob,

 Box 1 gives the date and place of birth, as stated in the box header.
 It is not necessarily the same as the family residence, although if
 not a hospital nor a nursing home, it is probable. However, Box 7
 should confirm (unless they have moved house between the birth and
 registration. I would expect the informant to give their place of
 residence as being that at the time of registration.

 Box 6 poses an interesting question, and one which I have never asked
 myself. Strictly speaking it should be as at birth, although I can
 easily see the informant giving the current occupation. In  this case
 it is unlikely to have changed, but in any event take your pick!

 Ron Ferguson
 _

 Completely rewritten and revised:
 http://www.fergys.co.uk
 Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw
 And the Fergusons of N.W. England
 

 




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RE: [LegacyUG] Dates for Events

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

One notable exception might be for a US census event. While it would be correct 
to use the actual date of the census enumeration, one must be careful about the 
timeliness of any information derived from within that event. For example, 
while the data may have been given on October 15th, it was correct only as of 
June 1st of that census year. I have at least one example of where one of my 
ancestors appears on a census enumeration done in October; he actually had died 
3 months earlier.

Brian in CA


 -Original Message-
 From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 3:40 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Dates for Events

 Rob Miller wrote
 If my Source is the birth record below, would the date of Thomas'
 Occupation and Residence be 28 June 1868 (the date Flora was
 born),
 or 17 Jul 1868 (the date he registered)?
 
 Which date do people enter into Events?

 I always take it that the information is correct for the day on which
 it
 is given, so in your case I would use the date of Registration, not the
 date of Birth.
 --
 Jenny M Benson





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Re: [LegacyUG] Dates for Events

[John S. Adams]

And I have many instances of data which was correct on the enumeration date
but not correct on the official census date.

John S. Adams
Hermosa Beach, CA

--
From: Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:58 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Dates for Events

 One notable exception might be for a US census event. While it would be
 correct to use the actual date of the census enumeration, one must be
 careful about the timeliness of any information derived from within that
 event. For example, while the data may have been given on October 15th, it
 was correct only as of June 1st of that census year. I have at least one
 example of where one of my ancestors appears on a census enumeration done
 in October; he actually had died 3 months earlier.

 Brian in CA




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