Re: My first screencast: using clones in everyday workflow
Edward, my only suggestion to the video you just made is: Please make more!! Perhaphs I already forgot what being a Leo Noob is all about, but I would say you dont need to make any "more noob friendly" videos, in my opinion this video is so straight forward a newbie will also understand whats happening (and learn quite fast too btw). I love the hotkeys being shown!! Is that camstasia or an aditional software?? About two of your most recent posts: Thank you for those photos, specially the quotes ones, very good. About the "vim AHA", I tried to understand what was happening there, but could not. I would love to find some day a "leo vim video" to illustrate what all that excitement means :) Thanks for this video! On Saturday, November 16, 2013 5:27:08 PM UTC+1, Edward K. Ream wrote: > > http://www.screencast.com/t/jL9C9kLNZ4 > > Be sure to click on the "Full Size" tab at the top of the screen to get > clearest text. > > It was easy to produce with Camtasia Studio, once I let go of my > perfectionism :-) > > Psychologically, it was easier to produce this "expert's" video because I > didn't have to worry about explaining every little thing. > > Producing a full range of beginners tutorials is next. Very exciting. > > All suggestions welcome. > > Edward > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: My first screencast: using clones in everyday workflow
On 11/16/2013 11:27 AM, Edward K. Ream wrote: http://www.screencast.com/t/jL9C9kLNZ4 Be sure to click on the "Full Size" tab at the top of the screen to get clearest text. It was easy to produce with Camtasia Studio, once I let go of my perfectionism :-) Psychologically, it was easier to produce this "expert's" video because I didn't have to worry about explaining every little thing. Producing a full range of beginners tutorials is next. Very exciting. All suggestions welcome. Edward I like this a lot. It sheds light on how you use clones. Clever. The presentation was crisp and clear. I like the visual hotkeys. -->Jake -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: My first screencast: using clones in everyday workflow
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Fidel N wrote: > Edward, my only suggestion to the video you just made is: > Please make more!! > > Perhaphs I already forgot what being a Leo Noob is all about, but I would > say you dont need to make any "more noob friendly" videos, in my opinion > this video is so straight forward a newbie will also understand whats > happening (and learn quite fast too btw). > Thanks! However, I think newbies should be shown at least the following: - How to use the minibuffer. - How to find and change text. - How to create external files from @file. - How to create documents with @rst. - The parts of the Leo screen. > I love the hotkeys being shown!! Is that camstasia or an ad > d > itional software?? > It's Camtasia. A *great* program for Windows. It's dead easy to add callouts like hotkeys and the cool animated box around the log pane. About two of your most recent posts: Thank you for those photos, specially > the quotes ones, very good. > Imo, they reflect the respect that any sensible resident of Midland has for Herbert Dow. And the have been inspiring to me personally. > About the "vim AHA", I tried to understand what was happening there, but > could not. I would love to find some day a "leo vim video" to illustrate > what all that excitement means :) > Well, those were middle-of-the-night notes to myself. You weren't expected to understand ;-) The screencast will happen as soon as vim mode works. Maybe this week! There is surprisingly little to do. One of the "preliminary Aha's" was that vim mode can borrow tons of user-interface stuff *and* code from Leo. The central vim Aha is that we can have per-pane key-binding in vim mode, just as in the rest of Leo. Lots of implementation ideas clouded this fact. For example, in vim mode j can mean next-line when focus is in the body pane, *and* it can mean "select-next-visible' when focus is in the tree. That's huge: it *doubles* the space of possibilities for vim-like keystrokes. I should have seen it ages ago. The second vim aha is that we can (must!) bind vim key sequences to plain Leo commands. This opens up *all* Leo commands to vim's dot command. It's big. Furthermore, one can imagine some vim key sequence that drops into the minibuffer *and* remembers the result as part of the dot. This will be easy to do. In short, we can easily imagine that Leo's vim mode will be substantially more powerful and flexible than vim itself. For consistency, we may want to have many bindings mean the same thing in both the body pane and the outline pane, but that's optional. Best of all, each of us can play with possibilities merely by changing the @data nodes for vim mode. Edward -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: My first screencast: using clones in everyday workflow
Great !!! Thanks indeed, Edward. We newbies really need stuff like this. >All suggestions welcome The only suggestion: make more of them! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: My first screencast: using clones in everyday workflow
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 12:53 PM, wrote: > Great !!! Thanks indeed, Edward. We newbies really need stuff like this. > > >All suggestions welcome > > The only suggestion: make more of them! > Done :-) http://www.screencast.com/t/tEQ7brI4n6 More are coming. EKR -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: My first screencast: using clones in everyday workflow
They are really good Edward, please keep em coming! hehehe. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: My first screencast: using clones in everyday workflow
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:27:08 -0800 (PST) "Edward K. Ream" wrote: > http://www.screencast.com/t/jL9C9kLNZ4 > > Be sure to click on the "Full Size" tab at the top of the screen to > get clearest text. > > It was easy to produce with Camtasia Studio, once I let go of my > perfectionism :-) > > Psychologically, it was easier to produce this "expert's" video > because I didn't have to worry about explaining every little thing. > > Producing a full range of beginners tutorials is next. Very exciting. > > All suggestions welcome. This was one of the best screencasts I've ever seen. You told us in the beginning what you were going to do. Then you did it. You explained what you were doing clearly. The hotkey pictures were a spectacular help. My general reactions to the video were: 1) After viewing it, I had little doubt that I knew how to do what you did. 2) After viewing it, I had a much more positive attitude toward Leo. My one question is this: During the screencast, you didn't actually change anything within expand_text, which was a subcomponent of the node of leoEditCommands.py. If you *had* changed anything in expand_text, wouldn't the log screen have shown that leoEditCommands.py was changed? You asked a month ago what could make Leo more universally popular. Screencasts like this are exactly what is needed. It teaches, and it's also a dog and pony show displaying Leo's strengths. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: My first screencast: using clones in everyday workflow
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Steve Litt wrote: [...] > The hotkey pictures were a spectacular help. [...] Definitely helpful for showing an action was being performed, but I actually found the hotkey pictures confusing since many don't match default Leo settings. By default, delete-node doesn't have a binding. The plain left arrow key doesn't promote nodes and Shift-Right doesn't demote nodes. But for showing what is possible, the video was very good. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: My first screencast: using clones in everyday workflow
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:27:08 -0800 (PST) > "Edward K. Ream" wrote: > > This was one of the best screencasts I've ever seen. > Wow. I didn't expect that. Thanks so much. My one question is this: During the screencast, you didn't actually > change anything within expand_text > ...If you *had* changed anything in expand_text, wouldn't the log screen > have shown that > > leoEditCommands.py > > was changed? > Yes, the log would show that leoEditCommands was changed, the *first* time I did a save. But then, after that save, nothing would have changed when I deleted the clones. I'm going to charge ahead with more tutorials, but given how easy it is to do them, it will be worthwhile fixing this and similar issues. For example there are two problems with the minibuffer screencast. The first, as has been pointed out, is that I neglected to scramble the text after the first take. Mistakes like this require a full re-take. The second problem, is that I struggled with a few words. I minimized the problems by editing the sound track, but doing a retake of the offending audio would have produced a better result. I mention this because using Camtasia is so easy that it should be easy to create a script as I go. After one or two takes, all that is left is to retake less-than-perfect audio, and then splice the new audio in. This depends on audio levels, so it's best done immediately. Anyway, I'm thrilled that you approve, and also thrilled that making screencasts is so easy. I'm naturally drawn to teaching people about Leo, and screencasts are, by far, the best way. Edward -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: My first screencast: using clones in everyday workflow
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Brian Theado wrote: Definitely helpful for showing an action was being performed, but I > actually found the hotkey pictures confusing since many don't match > default Leo settings. > > By default, delete-node doesn't have a binding. The plain left arrow > key doesn't promote nodes and Shift-Right doesn't demote nodes. > Hmm. I didn't delete the node, I cut it. I did the promote and demote operations "by hand", using the shift-arrow keys. I think this would be more confusing for Leonistas than for newbies. In any case, all the binding were, in fact, standard. Edward -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: My first screencast: using clones in everyday workflow
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 16:06:33 -0600 "Edward K. Ream" wrote: > On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Brian Theado wrote: > > Definitely helpful for showing an action was being performed, but I > > actually found the hotkey pictures confusing since many don't match > > default Leo settings. > > > > By default, delete-node doesn't have a binding. The plain left arrow > > key doesn't promote nodes and Shift-Right doesn't demote nodes. > > > > Hmm. I didn't delete the node, I cut it. I did the promote and demote I think you described it as deleting. > operations "by hand", using the shift-arrow keys. I think this would be I suspect the key showing software shows shift-arrow as just plain arrow, I wonder if that would be configurable. Cheers -Terry > more confusing for Leonistas than for newbies. > > In any case, all the binding were, in fact, standard. > > Edward > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: My first screencast: using clones in everyday workflow
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Terry Brown wrote: > On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 16:06:33 -0600 > "Edward K. Ream" wrote: [...] >> >> Hmm. I didn't delete the node, I cut it. I did the promote and demote > > I think you described it as deleting. > >> operations "by hand", using the shift-arrow keys. I think this would be > > I suspect the key showing software shows shift-arrow as just plain > arrow, I wonder if that would be configurable. Yes, describing it as deleting is what confused me...I didn't know about the Ctrl-Shift-X as cut keybinding. Thanks for clearing that up. At about the 40-45 second mark, the video clearly shows plain left arrow while you are promoting. There are 2-3 other instances of the same. About the Shift-Right...I thought I checked default Leo and didn't find that binding (I was unaware of the shift-arrow bindings), but I guess I fooled myself. Strange that the Shift-Right shows up fine (see around the 2:54 mark), but the Shift-Left does not. Brian -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: My first screencast: using clones in everyday workflow
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Brian Theado wrote: > Yes, describing it as deleting is what confused me...I didn't know about the Ctrl-Shift-X as cut keybinding. Thanks for clearing that up. You're welcome. There's a lot to Leo that's easy to miss. > At about the 40-45 second mark, the video clearly shows plain left > arrow while you are promoting. There are 2-3 other instances of the > same. > Ah. A real mistake. Thanks for pointing it out. It should be easy to correct. > > About the Shift-Right...I thought I checked default Leo and didn't > find that binding (I was unaware of the shift-arrow bindings), but I > guess I fooled myself. > I'm actually considering a tutorial about Leo's arrow keys. There are some subtleties that are worth knowing. For instance, Alt-any-arrow will move focus to the outline pane. Once focus is there, you can select nodes with *plain* arrow keys, and move them with shift-arrow keys instead of alt-shift-arrow keys. Strange that the Shift-Right shows up fine (see around the 2:54 mark), > but the Shift-Left does not. > Not strange at all. I failed to enter the proper key. Camtasia has no clue about what keys were ever pressed: it only has the audio and video tracks. Edward -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: My first screencast: using clones in everyday workflow
Thanks, Edward! These are great. I use Camtasia Studio also and find it very easy to work with, good choice. Will these videos be linked from Leo's web site? I see that some others already are. Rob On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:27:08 AM UTC-5, Edward K. Ream wrote: > > http://www.screencast.com/t/jL9C9kLNZ4 > > Be sure to click on the "Full Size" tab at the top of the screen to get > clearest text. > > It was easy to produce with Camtasia Studio, once I let go of my > perfectionism :-) > > Psychologically, it was easier to produce this "expert's" video because I > didn't have to worry about explaining every little thing. > > Producing a full range of beginners tutorials is next. Very exciting. > > All suggestions welcome. > > Edward > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: My first screencast: using clones in everyday workflow
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Edward K. Ream wrote: > At about the 40-45 second mark, the video clearly shows plain left >> arrow while you are promoting. There are 2-3 other instances of the >> same. >> > This and the other mistakes have been fixed: http://www.screencast.com/t/l8W9H5G8zB The title is UsingClones(revised). Most changes were clearly good: I regularized the sizes of the key callouts, added a callout to show the initial clone, and changed the oh-so-confusing plain-arrow key callouts to shift-arrow callouts. I also added text corrections for my misstatements about deleting nodes, demoting nodes and dragging nodes. But these seem dubious. They may be technically correct, but they are distracting. I prefer the presentation without them. What do you think? It would be trivial to delete them, but of course that is also confusing. The only way to correct the misstatements smoothly would be to patch in audio corrections. That's fairly tricky. I would prefer to put that off until all the important tutorials are finished. Edward -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: My first screencast: using clones in everyday workflow
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Largo84 wrote: > Thanks, Edward! These are great. > I'm glad you like them. I think they are what Leo has always needed. > I use Camtasia Studio also and find it very easy to work with, good choice. > > Will these videos be linked from Leo's web site > ? > Certainly, after the initial jiggling is completed. Edward -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: My first screencast: using clones in everyday workflow
These screencasts are fantastic Edward. So much of the documentation makes more sense now, seeing it performed. Thank you. > > > Yes, describing it as deleting is what confused me...I didn't know > about the Ctrl-Shift-X as cut keybinding. Thanks for clearing that up. > In menus I'm a huge fan of the key binding being shown along with the menu name, "Open File [Ctrl-O]" (though it can be nice to have the shortcut in a lighter coloured text or otherwise de-emphasized). I wonder if something similar can be done for the screencasts, but reversed and using the mini-buffer command instead of menu name: "[Ctrl-Shift-X] cut-node". To avoid visual clutter, the mini-buf cmd could be in a different part of the screen, and much smaller. Bottom right might be a good location. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: My first screencast: using clones in everyday workflow
On Sunday, November 17, 2013 4:20:38 PM UTC+8, Matt Wilkie wrote: > > > > These screencasts are fantastic Edward. So much of the documentation makes > more sense now, seeing it performed. Thank you. > I like it too, thanks, Edward! And your voice is very clear. I wish I can hear such voice when I do English listening test :-P > >> > >> Yes, describing it as deleting is what confused me...I didn't know >> about the Ctrl-Shift-X as cut keybinding. Thanks for clearing that up. >> > > In menus I'm a huge fan of the key binding being shown along with the menu > name, "Open File [Ctrl-O]" (though it can be nice to have the shortcut in a > lighter coloured text or otherwise de-emphasized). I wonder if something > similar can be done for the screencasts, but reversed and using the > mini-buffer command instead of menu name: "[Ctrl-Shift-X] cut-node". To > avoid visual clutter, the mini-buf cmd could be in a different part of the > screen, and much smaller. Bottom right might be a good location. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: My first screencast: using clones in everyday workflow
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 2:20 AM, Matt Wilkie wrote: These screencasts are fantastic Edward. So much of the documentation makes > more sense now, seeing it performed. Thank you. > Thanks. I'm amazed at how easy they were to do once I got over my fears. Clearly, Leo would have benefited from them years ago. > > >> > >> Yes, describing it as deleting is what confused me...I didn't know >> about the Ctrl-Shift-X as cut keybinding. Thanks for clearing that up. >> > Thanks for this comment. Text boxes in the revised video correct this verbal error and two others. I've been dithering about whether those boxes are more confusing than they are worth. Now I'm more likely to leave them in. > > In menus I'm a huge fan of the key binding being shown along with the menu > name, "Open File [Ctrl-O]" (though it can be nice to have the shortcut in a > lighter coloured text or otherwise de-emphasized) > . > I doubt the styling can be change from Qt, but I could be wrong. > I wonder if something similar can be done for the screencasts, but > reversed and using the mini-buffer command instead of menu name: > "[Ctrl-Shift-X] cut-node". To avoid visual clutter, the mini-buf cmd could > be in a different part of the screen, and much smaller. Bottom right might > be a good location. > It would simply be a text callout. However, I think screencasts should be as simple as possible. There is some famous research (by recently deceased Clifford Nass, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Nass) that shows that we humans are far less adept at multi-tasking than we think. I really don't want to distract attention from the main message. A future screencast will be about getting help. This will include the print-bindings, print-commands and print-settings commands, as well as the help commands. In particular, the print-bindings command gives you all the binding/command associations, sorted by binding. Edward -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: My first screencast: using clones in everyday workflow
On 11/17/2013 6:04 AM, Edward K. Ream wrote: A future screencast will be about getting help. This will include the print-bindings, print-commands and print-settings commands, as well as the help commands. In particular, the print-bindings command gives you all the binding/command associations, sorted by binding. I think such a screencast should mention the docs on leoeditor.org, as well as the helpful folks on this list and in #leo on freenode. :) -->Jake -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "leo-editor" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to leo-editor+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/leo-editor. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
