Re: [LIB] Toshiba Laptop Selection
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:30:35 +0200 From: Philip Nienhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba Laptop Selection Raymond wrote: > > Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:41:08 +0800 > From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba Laptop Selection > > I purchased a Portege 7220CTe off eBay myself for $550AUD shipped (around > $300USD direct conversion), PIII650, 13" 1024x768 screen, 20GB HDD, 128 meg > of RAM, just on an inch thick. It's been serving me real well (yes OK, > blasphemy to a Libretto purist but nice as my 100CT was, the screen > realestate, or lack thereof, was starting to really get to me ...). > > The nice thing about it is that it's darn tough. It's one of few notebooks > of its era I know of that you could hold horizontally by grasping onto one > corner of the screen, when opened out flat, without flexing noticeably. The > top does show scratches quite badly though. It also doesn't have the > hibernation issue (it sees my 20 gig hard drive straight away). Bear in > mind though that AFAIK, it doesn't do a BIOS hibernation, it relies on the > hibernation provided by the operating system (so on the one hand it is file > system aware so you don't clobber bits of disk, on the other hand, other > operating systems like Linux would have a fun time trying to hibernate - > suspend still works though). Mandrake Linux, since v. 9.2, does feature hibernation (or suspend-to-disk, or whatever it's called), independent from the BIOS. For other distros, it can be compiled into the kernel. Just do something like: sudo /usr/sbin/pmsuspend2 (or was it /usr/bin/pmsuspend2) and watch the show. (although neither hibernation nor a restore may be that fast, sometimes rebooting is faster.) And one warning may be in order here: - never ever write to a Windows partition from e.g., Linux while Windows is in a hibernated state. It may really blow up your Windows - it simply doesn't expect any disk changes. Philip ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Toshiba Laptop Selection
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:24:38 -0700 (PDT) From: David Chien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba Laptop Selection aoh, this Usenet topic again! was a recent post in *.laptops, so visit www.deja.com if anyone wants the thread. My short #1 pick for a mini-notebook today w/o money concerns? Fujitsu T70 or Sony TR5a series. Pretty much everything in a 3lbs package, including DVD burning. Other notebooks maybe lighter -- Sony U50/U70 -- or thinner, or whatever, but few are as versitile or all-in-one. L110 or similar for a basic 'email' & 'web' machine, since I'm still typing this up today on my L110. = adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Toshiba Laptop Selection
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 18:52:31 +0100 From: barnacle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba Laptop Selection On Wednesday 14 July 2004 02:30, you wrote: > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:29:02 EDT > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba Laptop Selection > > In a message dated 7/13/2004 9:48:52 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:31:55 EDT > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Toshiba Laptop Selection > > > > > > Fellow listers: > > > > > > I'm in the process of selecting a laptop PC for my daughter, who will > > > head off to college in August. Being a Libretto devotee, I'd prefer to > > > get a Toshiba of some flavor, but I'm not as educated as I'd like on > > > the older models that I can afford. I'm looking for a PII machine, in > > > the 300-400mHz range, preferably not a heavyweight but fairly > > > light/thin, maybe a 10.4" or 12" LCD. Can anyone help me out with > > > suitable models I should be focusing on? Thanks. > > > > Lee, > > > > From your criteria, you're probably looking at a portege. I have both the > > 7020CT and the 3480CT. > > > > Neil, > > May I pick your brain on the 7020CT (7010 is similar I assume)? I'm > wondering about DOS hibernation. Are these Porteges plagued with the > Libretto hibernation issues, e.g., must I set up a blank area on the HDD > for it? If not, do you know how it's handled? Thanks for any info you can > supply. It's just a smaller disk/memory version if I recollect properly. For what it's worth, I had the 7020 running with a 60GB disk in before I bought the 3840 and swapped the disks round. Do you know, the question of hibernation has never arisen... :) There's - afaik - no requirement for a defined partition if you're using a fat32 file system on your first partition. I certainly haven't made one or left any spaces, and I haven't noticed any missing files. With W2K I think the bios talks to windows to organise file storage; I suppose this means you need to have sufficient space on the C partition to save the backup file - basically, memory size plus four meg or so for the display. Unfortunately I can't investigate; daughter has stolen the machine while I've been on my travels :) If you hibernate windows, (and recalling that I have a winnux dual boot machine), on restarting the machine it begins with the boot loader - if I select linux it just gets on with it, if I start windows it un-hibernates as expected. But it's very rare I hibernate; battery life for standby is a couple of hundred hours so that's a much faster option in both directions, and it has *never* overheated... and I run it in some pretty hot places. I guess she'll be fine with it ( and possibly most important to her, if you put a big disc in, it's quite fast enough to decode mp3s!) Neil ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Toshiba Laptop Selection
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:41:08 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba Laptop Selection I purchased a Portege 7220CTe off eBay myself for $550AUD shipped (around $300USD direct conversion), PIII650, 13" 1024x768 screen, 20GB HDD, 128 meg of RAM, just on an inch thick. It's been serving me real well (yes OK, blasphemy to a Libretto purist but nice as my 100CT was, the screen realestate, or lack thereof, was starting to really get to me ...). The nice thing about it is that it's darn tough. It's one of few notebooks of its era I know of that you could hold horizontally by grasping onto one corner of the screen, when opened out flat, without flexing noticeably. The top does show scratches quite badly though. It also doesn't have the hibernation issue (it sees my 20 gig hard drive straight away). Bear in mind though that AFAIK, it doesn't do a BIOS hibernation, it relies on the hibernation provided by the operating system (so on the one hand it is file system aware so you don't clobber bits of disk, on the other hand, other operating systems like Linux would have a fun time trying to hibernate - suspend still works though). If you want to go cheaper, consider the Portege 31xx series which are PII based ... I worked with them a few years ago (although we never swapped the original 6 gig drives out so I don't know how they handle >8gb hard drives), again a real nice machine, real thin and light but their screens are a little smaller (but then again the laptop itself is somewhat smaller than the 7220CTe - regardless I found them quite useable). Bear in mind though that these laptops lose the usual perks of a full sized machine - inbuilt optical drives, network adapters (none of the Toshiba ultrathins of the era have inbuilt network although the 31xx series Porteges had them on the included docking bar), floppy disks, serial ports (they do have USB ports though) and the like. One slight step up in terms of that era of notebook is the Toshiba Satellite 30CDT. I'm not entirely sure why it was branded a Satellite, it should probably have been a Portege, it's about the right size albeit a little thicker. It has inbuilt firewire AND a CD-ROM drive (or is it a CD-RW? I can't remember) plus a variety of other ports. I think it also has built in ethernet. If I'm not mistaken, it's a PIII based Celeron. It was also one of the first Toshiba notebooks to come out with a touchpad instead of a pointing stick. It's also darn strong - a collegue had one come out of his backpack whilst riding his bicycle, shaved a good portion off one corner of his laptop and shattered part of the internal magnesium frame (the shell is plastic but it has a magnesium frame). We cleaned out the fragments, screwed it back together and apart from one messed up PCMCIA port (doesn't eject properly due to bent metalwork), the laptop still works! It might be a little tricky to find though, from what I understand, it was somewhat of an oddball laptop (there are no obvious predecessors or successors to the 30CDT, not like most other laptops in Toshiba's range). Hope this helps somewhat, do throw up any questions you might have! - Raymond At 06:30 PM 13/07/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:29:02 EDT >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba Laptop Selection > >In a message dated 7/13/2004 9:48:52 AM Mountain Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:31:55 EDT > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Toshiba Laptop Selection > > > > > > Fellow listers: > > > > > > I'm in the process of selecting a laptop PC for my daughter, who will > head > > > off to college in August. Being a Libretto devotee, I'd prefer to get a > > > Toshiba of some flavor, but I'm not as educated as I'd like on the older > > > models that I can afford. I'm looking for a PII machine, in the > 300-400mHz > > > range, preferably not a heavyweight but fairly light/thin, maybe a > 10.4" or > > > 12" LCD. Can anyone help me out with suitable models I should be > focusing > > > on? Thanks. > > > > Lee, > > > > From your criteria, you're probably looking at a portege. I have both the > > 7020CT and the 3480CT. > > > > >Neil, > >May I pick your brain on the 7020CT (7010 is similar I assume)? I'm >wondering about DOS hibernation. Are these Porteges plagued with the >Libretto >hibernation issues, e.g., must I set up a blank area on the HDD for >it? If not, do >you know how it's handled? Thanks for any info you can supply. > > >Lee > > > > >*
Re: [LIB] Toshiba Laptop Selection
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:29:02 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba Laptop Selection In a message dated 7/13/2004 9:48:52 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:31:55 EDT > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Toshiba Laptop Selection > > > > Fellow listers: > > > > I'm in the process of selecting a laptop PC for my daughter, who will head > > off to college in August. Being a Libretto devotee, I'd prefer to get a > > Toshiba of some flavor, but I'm not as educated as I'd like on the older > > models that I can afford. I'm looking for a PII machine, in the 300-400mHz > > range, preferably not a heavyweight but fairly light/thin, maybe a 10.4" or > > 12" LCD. Can anyone help me out with suitable models I should be focusing > > on? Thanks. > > Lee, > > From your criteria, you're probably looking at a portege. I have both the > 7020CT and the 3480CT. > Neil, May I pick your brain on the 7020CT (7010 is similar I assume)? I'm wondering about DOS hibernation. Are these Porteges plagued with the Libretto hibernation issues, e.g., must I set up a blank area on the HDD for it? If not, do you know how it's handled? Thanks for any info you can supply. Lee ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Toshiba Laptop Selection
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:52:48 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba Laptop Selection In a message dated 7/13/2004 9:48:52 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:31:55 EDT > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Toshiba Laptop Selection > > > > Fellow listers: > > > > I'm in the process of selecting a laptop PC for my daughter, who will head > > off to college in August. Being a Libretto devotee, I'd prefer to get a > > Toshiba of some flavor, but I'm not as educated as I'd like on the older > > models that I can afford. I'm looking for a PII machine, in the 300-400mHz > > range, preferably not a heavyweight but fairly light/thin, maybe a 10.4" or > > 12" LCD. Can anyone help me out with suitable models I should be focusing > > on? Thanks. > > Lee, > > From your criteria, you're probably looking at a portege. I have both the > 7020CT and the 3480CT. > > The 7020 is fine with win2k and will boot from a pcmcia CDrom, though you'll > require either the port extender or a base station if you want to use the > serial or parallel port. There's a separate port for a dedicated floppy. The > screen is good - about 12", 1024*768 and although the battery will be almost > certainly dead, long life batteries which don't add to the thickness of the > unit aren't expensive and will last most of a transatlantic flight. The > processor is a 366, standard disk is 6G, and it comes with 64MB ram with a > socket underneath for another 64MB. You might find that the processor can't > decode all the latest video codecs in real time, particularly AVIs, though > it's fine for MPG and audio replay. It will run off the same mains psu as > the > libs (round connector) though it prefers a three amp supply. Weight is under > two pounds, if you don't insist on carrying the floppy and extender and > cdrom > around, which is the whole point :) and size is about an inch wider than a > sheet of A4 paper, about an inch thick. > > The 3480CT runs all the stuff that the 7020 does but has a faster (600M) > processor, more ram (64M+128M) and a bigger disk - 12G. The screen is the > same resolution at 1024 by 768 but smaller - it's an inch smaller all round > than the 7020. Overall thickness is about 3/4 inch. Standard battery pack > (new) will run two-three hours and the extension pack - which is > ridiculously > cheap because it's a stupid design - bolts underneath and doubles the > thickness and weight, but it runs at least ten hours. The keyboard can be a > little small, and I'd prefer a bigger shift key on the right. The port > extender includes serial, parallel, extra USB, network point, another video > output, an alternate power input (round as above; the power on the machine > itself is the two-prong type used on the 100/110), keyboard/mouse port, and > another audio output. There's a winmodem socket on the side of the machine, > too. > > Of the two, the 7020 is more comfortable to use but I like the lesser size > and > weight of the 3480. > > HTH, > > Neil > Neil, you read my mind. In fact, I just bought a 7010CT (with dock) on ebay. I wanted to hold out for a 7020, but the 7010 price was right. The RAM has been upgraded, but a new HDD may be in order, as it still has the 4.3GB stock drive. I wish I'd checked my email before bidding, as I didn't know about the 3480. I'll report back (briefly, since it's off-topic ;-) when the machine arrives and we give it the once-over. Lee ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Toshiba Laptop Selection
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:46:04 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba Laptop Selection In a message dated 7/12/2004 7:40:33 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I can afford. I'm looking for a PII machine, in the 300-400mHz range, > > preferably not a heavyweight but fairly light/thin, maybe a 10.4" or 12" > LCD. > > Only Librettos with these specs would be the Libretto L1 through L5 series > that were sold in Japan. (see www.conics.net for Yahoo Auctions Japan > purchases for these items as well as www.ebay.com for the occassional L > series > that appears there) > > eg. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31561&item=3491458058&; > rd=1 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31561&item=3492355952&; > rd=1 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3717&item=3492766810&; > rd=1 > > > > Otherwise, what does she want? Light/small/expensive or heavy and cheap? > > For heavy & cheap, any of the Toshiba Satellite A series on sale at $899 > after > rebates or usually for ~$1000: > eg. > http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=313043&; > pfp=BROWSE > > > > Unfortunately, all of the lightwieght, new laptops are expensive, so here, > you'll spend $1500-2200 easily. > > eg. Fujitsu P5000 $1500+ > http://webshop.fujitsupc.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=P5 > > eg. Sony TR series $2200+ > > http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_Brow > seCatalog-Start;sid=U3XSGOH0RpnSQKEHaMXYE6769QtXBCFi7LQ=?CategoryName=cpu_VAI > ONotebookComputers_TRSeries&Dept=cpu_VAIONotebookComputers > > > > Basically, for school, you'll want 1) CD-RW to burn backups of reports, etc. > 2) at least an Ethernet connection, but hopefully, either built-in WiFi > and/or > PCMCIA card for cheap WiFI card, 3) decent battery life of 3+ hours 4) a > decent > keyboard that she like typing on else cramps will happen and papers won't get > done. > > Other than that, really, anything will do fine. > > (Just avoid HP/Compaq's -- the worst in reliability ratings vs. else in the > 2003 PC Magazine and PC World User Reliability Surveys - see their websites > for > both.) > > Would not get a used notebook (unless it's a Toshiba Libretto, right? ,) > simply because everything takes up so much processing power nowadays, you > really will lose productivity on older, slower notebooks. > > (Yes, my L110 with Win98SE runs fine for the basics like email & WP, but > realistically, it's too slow to do anything else worth doing -- > presentations, > video editing & encoding, graphic editing, etc. -- all of which I do on my > desktop. Still, it's just the size for portable email and so forth...) > > Would not go below the screen size of these notebooks as smaller can be a > problem when you're doing long hours worth of work. Just a bit too small for > editing stuff hours on end sometimes on a tiny Libretto. > > --- > > d =) > Thanks, David, but as Neil surmised in his later email, I'm looking for a non-Libretto Toshiba laptop in the cheapo category. Current finances prevent consideration of $1000 (or anywhere near that!) laptops. I've been impressed with the ease of upgrading of my Libretto compared with a Sony Vaio I own, and the web site support Toshiba provides is far better than Sony. And I wholeheartedly agree, no Compaqs or HPs. My guess is my daughter will not require great processing power for the first couple of years. I'm still using my PII-366 Sony (albeit shade-tree upgraded) for my work and it handles spreadsheets, the occasional database, and AutoCAD-LT OK. Thanks for the input. Lee ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Toshiba Laptop Selection
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:34:18 +0100 From: barnacle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba Laptop Selection On Sunday 11 July 2004 06:41, you wrote: > Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:31:55 EDT > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Toshiba Laptop Selection > > Fellow listers: > > I'm in the process of selecting a laptop PC for my daughter, who will head > off to college in August. Being a Libretto devotee, I'd prefer to get a > Toshiba of some flavor, but I'm not as educated as I'd like on the older > models that I can afford. I'm looking for a PII machine, in the 300-400mHz > range, preferably not a heavyweight but fairly light/thin, maybe a 10.4" or > 12" LCD. Can anyone help me out with suitable models I should be focusing > on? Thanks. Lee, From your criteria, you're probably looking at a portege. I have both the 7020CT and the 3480CT. The 7020 is fine with win2k and will boot from a pcmcia CDrom, though you'll require either the port extender or a base station if you want to use the serial or parallel port. There's a separate port for a dedicated floppy. The screen is good - about 12", 1024*768 and although the battery will be almost certainly dead, long life batteries which don't add to the thickness of the unit aren't expensive and will last most of a transatlantic flight. The processor is a 366, standard disk is 6G, and it comes with 64MB ram with a socket underneath for another 64MB. You might find that the processor can't decode all the latest video codecs in real time, particularly AVIs, though it's fine for MPG and audio replay. It will run off the same mains psu as the libs (round connector) though it prefers a three amp supply. Weight is under two pounds, if you don't insist on carrying the floppy and extender and cdrom around, which is the whole point :) and size is about an inch wider than a sheet of A4 paper, about an inch thick. The 3480CT runs all the stuff that the 7020 does but has a faster (600M) processor, more ram (64M+128M) and a bigger disk - 12G. The screen is the same resolution at 1024 by 768 but smaller - it's an inch smaller all round than the 7020. Overall thickness is about 3/4 inch. Standard battery pack (new) will run two-three hours and the extension pack - which is ridiculously cheap because it's a stupid design - bolts underneath and doubles the thickness and weight, but it runs at least ten hours. The keyboard can be a little small, and I'd prefer a bigger shift key on the right. The port extender includes serial, parallel, extra USB, network point, another video output, an alternate power input (round as above; the power on the machine itself is the two-prong type used on the 100/110), keyboard/mouse port, and another audio output. There's a winmodem socket on the side of the machine, too. Of the two, the 7020 is more comfortable to use but I like the lesser size and weight of the 3480. HTH, Neil ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Toshiba Laptop Selection
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:38:44 -0700 (PDT) From: David Chien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba Laptop Selection > I can afford. I'm looking for a PII machine, in the 300-400mHz range, > preferably not a heavyweight but fairly light/thin, maybe a 10.4" or 12" LCD. Only Librettos with these specs would be the Libretto L1 through L5 series that were sold in Japan. (see www.conics.net for Yahoo Auctions Japan purchases for these items as well as www.ebay.com for the occassional L series that appears there) eg. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31561&item=3491458058&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31561&item=3492355952&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3717&item=3492766810&rd=1 Otherwise, what does she want? Light/small/expensive or heavy and cheap? For heavy & cheap, any of the Toshiba Satellite A series on sale at $899 after rebates or usually for ~$1000: eg. http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=313043&pfp=BROWSE Unfortunately, all of the lightwieght, new laptops are expensive, so here, you'll spend $1500-2200 easily. eg. Fujitsu P5000 $1500+ http://webshop.fujitsupc.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=P5 eg. Sony TR series $2200+ http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_BrowseCatalog-Start;sid=U3XSGOH0RpnSQKEHaMXYE6769QtXBCFi7LQ=?CategoryName=cpu_VAIONotebookComputers_TRSeries&Dept=cpu_VAIONotebookComputers Basically, for school, you'll want 1) CD-RW to burn backups of reports, etc. 2) at least an Ethernet connection, but hopefully, either built-in WiFi and/or PCMCIA card for cheap WiFI card, 3) decent battery life of 3+ hours 4) a decent keyboard that she like typing on else cramps will happen and papers won't get done. Other than that, really, anything will do fine. (Just avoid HP/Compaq's -- the worst in reliability ratings vs. else in the 2003 PC Magazine and PC World User Reliability Surveys - see their websites for both.) Would not get a used notebook (unless it's a Toshiba Libretto, right? ,) simply because everything takes up so much processing power nowadays, you really will lose productivity on older, slower notebooks. (Yes, my L110 with Win98SE runs fine for the basics like email & WP, but realistically, it's too slow to do anything else worth doing -- presentations, video editing & encoding, graphic editing, etc. -- all of which I do on my desktop. Still, it's just the size for portable email and so forth...) Would not go below the screen size of these notebooks as smaller can be a problem when you're doing long hours worth of work. Just a bit too small for editing stuff hours on end sometimes on a tiny Libretto. --- d =) = adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
