Re: 5th anniversary conference? :)
re "Let’s keep this discussion going... I teach in the Annex (Randolph College) three times a week — we should grab lunch/tea/pints some day. " For sure... I live at Bloor/Albany, just a few minutes walk from Randolph; I walk past Randolph all the time but didn't know it was a college. Right next door is the Centre for Social Innovation, which I've played at a few times for Amnesty International's annual get-together there. I propose a get-together at the Annex Billiards Club, just above the Bulk Barn on Bloor... cheap pints, good billiards tables, nice atmosphere. I live 2 minutes away... I can be there on a moment's notice, starting next week. This is exciting! On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 at 07:48, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Hi Mike! > > > I live in Toronto, in the Annex. I'd love to help organize something > here if there's interest. I'm right > > close to the University of Toronto campus. > > 1. Let’s keep this discussion going, and see if it actually gains traction! > > 2. I teach in the Annex (Randolph College) three times a week — we should > grab lunch/tea/pints some day. :) > > Cheers, > Kieren. > __ > > My work day may look different than your work day. Please do not feel > obligated to read or respond to this email outside of your normal working > hours. > > -- https://blackstock.media
Re: 5th anniversary conference? :)
re. possible toronto conference location I live in Toronto, in the Annex. I'd love to help organize something here if there's interest. I'm right close to the University of Toronto campus. -Mike On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 at 09:19, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Hey all, > > >> I was just waxing nostalgic about that fabulous Salzburg conference in > 2020, and noted that in Jan 2025 — just under a year from now! — it will > have been five years since we got together, talked music/notation, and > raised [more than] a few pints together. > >> Any chance for a repeat? :) > > > > Would be great. Count me as "will try to come if it gets organized". > > As I said back then, I’d be more than happy to organize a conference here > in Toronto… but we decided that too many people would have to travel this > direction over the Atlantic. It really does seem to be most efficient to > hold this kind of gathering in Europe somewhere. > > Cheers, > Kieren > __ > > My work day may look different than your work day. Please do not feel > obligated to read or respond to this email outside of your normal working > hours. > > > -- https://blackstock.media
Re: Anybody else playing with GPT4 and Lilypond?
re. "Anybody else playing with GPT4 and Lilypond?" I'm very much interested in exploring its use to generate graded sight-reading material. My own instrument is classical guitar and we're not the best sight-readers[1]... it would be nice to have daily sight-reading exercises generated for practice, with midi. I could donate the use of a QEMU/KVM server instance for working on a project of that sort. [1] Guitarist John Williams: "Another thing I’ve noticed in master classes, is that players will come on and play the most difficult solo works from memory, and yet if you give them a part to play in one of the easier Haydn String Quartets, as I often do, they’re lost in no time, and have a very poor sense of ensemble or timing. Guitarists are among the worst sight-readers I’ve come across. Julian Bream and I are both dead average sight-readers by orchestral standards, but among guitarists, we are [considered] outstanding! " https://guitarteacher.com.au/interview/john-williams-interview/ On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 at 18:44, Saul Tobin wrote: > I've seen some examples of other people succeeding in getting ChatGPT with > GPT4 to compose simple music in other text based music formats. I've had > limited success getting it to output Lilypond code. It is able to correctly > structure the code with a score block, nested contexts, and appropriately > named variables, and bar checks at the end of each measure. It seems to > struggle to create rhythms that fit within the time signature beyond > extremely simple cases. It also seems to struggle a lot to understand what > octave pitches will be in when using relative mode. > > It also seems to have a lot of trouble keeping track of the relationship > between notes entered in different simultaneous expressions. Just asking it > to repeat back which notes appear in each voice on each beat, GPT4 > frequently gives stubbornly incorrect answers about the music it generated. > This makes it very difficult to improve its output by giving feedback. > > I'm curious whether anybody else has tried playing with this. I have to > imagine that GPT4 has the potential to produce higher quality Lilypond > output, given some of the other impressive things it can do. Perhaps it > needs to be provided with a large volume of musical repertoire in Lilypond > format. > -- https://blackstock.media
Re: [OT] help about some questions
re. Beethoven Piano Concerto no. 3 It's been typeset with lilypond by Stelio Samelis. I muted the piano part in the midi, and converted it to mp3 as well. Double-click sound files to listen: https://scores.omet.ca/?path=user:/mike/Beethoven_Concerto_No3=Concerto_No3-let.pdf On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 06:10, Dario Marrini wrote: > Hi lilypond friends, > I'd like to create an orchestral midi collection, for playing piano > concertos with a MIDI accompaniment. > > The first difficulty is transcribing orchestral scores, then, I wonder if > someone could suggest me a pdf2midi or pdf2score app or online service that > could help; at this moment I'd be interested in Prokofiev Piano Concerto n. > 1 and Beethoven Piano Concerto n. 3; I tried the online service of > MuseScore but I got a 'score not compatible' message (I'm using the > imslp.org score) > > Second difficulty will be getting an interactive mode about playing midi > orchestral score, even without thinking to a 'follow me' mode, listening to > audio solo part (I think it'd be very difficult to implement), I thought I > could create and additional track, with just a few notes to play, and then > finding a way to concatenate other midi events to those special notes, to > get a synchronous mode with solo part (played by human) and midi orchestral > part; even in this case (I'm not a such good code programmer) I have no > idea if it could be possible and how. > > I'm a pianist and piano teacher, this kind of solution could improve very > much the teaching level and the final piano and orchestra exam; indeed, it > could be a development idea, creating a web site to offer this service > > Hoping this idea could be interesting for someone, I wait for your help or > even thoughts > > regards > > dario m. > -- https://blackstock.media
Re: [was: Re: ANN: Frescobaldi 3.2]
I'd be more than happy to set up a Virtual Machine for you, with root access, so you can install different versions of Frescobaldi and have people try it out, accessible via a web browser (Apache/Guacamole) Lemme know if you are interested, and what kind of Linux and or window manager you want installed. Cheers, M. On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 8:51 PM Jean Louis Thiry wrote: > Hello Jean and thank you for your answer. > > I understand that it must be complicated to understand what I want to > explain, so much I find it difficult to explain things that are beyond my > understanding. Let's try briefly, knowing that I am to my great regret > quite ignorant in terms of computer language: > > On my machine I use Frescobaldi 3.0 (which works pretty well and suits my > needs perfectly except “convert.ly" and “musicxml2ly" which don't work > beyond lilypond 2.20.). Upgrading to 3.1 is impossible (issue: Crash: > "Could not find QtWebEngineProcess" #1244 on Frescobaldi's site, > unresolved). The main 3.0 infos are: Python: 3.7.0 - python-ly: 0.9.5 - Qt: > 5.11.1 - PyQt: 5.11.2 - sip: 4.19.12 - poppler: 0.57.0 - python-poppler-qt: > 0.24.2. > > Now about Fresco 3.2: the procedure given in the “install" file does not > work and returns messages like > "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.7/Resources/Python.app/Contents/MacOS/Python: > can't open file 'setup.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory – heroes:~ > thiryjeanlouis$ python3 setup.py install —user > /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.7/Resources/Python.app/Contents/MacOS/Python: > can't open file 'setup.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory" etc. etc. > > If I type "frescobaldi" in the terminal, I get an app called "Python" > exactly similar to Frescobaldi, using the same preferences and the same > sessions but which is not version 3.2 and whose info is: Frescobaldi: > 2.20.0 (!!) - Python: 3.5.9 - python-ly: 0.9.5 - Qty: 4.8.7 - PyQt: 4.12.1 > - sip: 4.19.20 - poppler: 0.61.1 - python- poppler-qt: 0.24.0. A detail > however, the application crashes systematically when leaving. > We can assume that there is a sneaky Python too many somewhere in the > system, it's possible but where does this Frescobaldi 2.20 come from? > Hello Jean and thank you for your answer. > I understand that it must be complicated to understand what I want to > explain, so much I find it difficult to explain things that are beyond my > understanding. Let's briefly try: > > On my machine I use Frescobaldi 3.0 (which works pretty well except > convert.ly and musicxml2ly which don't work beyond lilypond 2.20.). > Upgrading to 3.1 does not work (issue: Crash: "Could not find > QtWebEngineProcess" #1244 on Frescobaldi's site, unresolved). The main 3.0 > infos are: Python: 3.7.0 - python-ly: 0.9.5 - Qt: 5.11.1 - PyQt: 5.11.2 - > sip: 4.19.12 - poppler: 0.57.0 - python-poppler-qt: 0.24.2. > > Now Fresco 3.2: the procedure given in the "install" file does not work > and returns messages like: > "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.7/Resources/Python.app/Contents/MacOS/Python: > can't open file 'setup.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory > heroes:~ thiryjeanlouis$ python3 setup.py install --user > /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.7/Resources/Python.app/Contents/MacOS/Python: > can't open file 'setup.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory" etc. etc. > > If I type "frescobaldi" in the terminal, I get an app called "Python" > exactly similar to Frescobaldi, using the same preferences and the same > sessions but which is not version 3.2 and whose info is: Frescobaldi: > 2.20.0 (!!) - Python: 3.5.9 - python-ly: 0.9.5 - Qty: 4.8.7 - PyQt: 4.12.1 > - sip: 4.19.20 - poppler: 0.61.1 - python- poppler-qt: 0.24.0. A detail > however, the application crashes systematically when leaving. > > I found all these pythons in my Mac: Python: 3.7.6, 2.7.16 , 3.7.4, 3.5.9, > 3.7.1 - Python Launcher: 3.7.6, 3.7.1, 3.7.4. > We can assume that there is a sneaky Python too many somewhere in the > system it's possible but where does this Frescobaldi 2.20 come from? > > > All the best, > JL > > > > > > Jean Louis Thiry > 06 68 80 64 50 > thir...@ramierou.eu > > > 390A rue du Ramiérou à Montauban > -- https://blackstock.media
Re: Prototype Frescobaldi in the browser
re - "Are you planning to run lilypond inside a chroot jail and/or in safe
mode? "
It's running in a linux kernel virtual machine ('KVM'), which isolates it
from the main host.
M.
On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 1:05 PM William wrote:
> Not passing judgement on this project either way, but there are lots of
> online text editor applications, such as markdown editors or google docs.
> Some people like to use them, others don’t. There are also other web
> applications which apply the real-time-updates feature of google docs in a
> visual engraving software. I guess there’s not really any reason to not
> have this as an option for someone who likes it.
>
> I’d like to say something else about this web application that OP should
> keep in mind, in case others haven’t brought this up yet. As all of us
> know, lilypond includes many features that are designed to be helpful for
> users who know what they are doing but could be quite dangerous if
> malicious code is parsed, such as the ability to read other files or run
> system commands. Are you planning to run lilypond inside a chroot jail
> and/or in safe mode? Because safe mode clamps down on a lot of the more
> extended functionality such as scheme extensions and even other things such
> as #(set-global-staff-size).
>
> I guess copying how lilybin et Al handle this will be fine.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 8, 2022, at 01:34, Andrew Bernard
> wrote:
> >
> > How many people need that? Doesn't everybody have a laptop? Let's hear
> from the OP. I'm curious.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> >> On 8/08/2022 1:15 pm, Knute Snortum wrote:
> >> Well, I can imagine that it would be useful to be able to move from
> >> computer to computer, when you don't necessarily have Frescobaldi
> >> installed, especially if you can save to the cloud.
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
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Re: Prototype Frescobaldi in the browser [URL correction]
The plan is to start up a 2nd VM for 'trusted users' like yourself, with more access, for real work, with a browser, shell, etc. and add an FTP upload folder to the demo VM so anonymous users can upload files and try it out Fresobaldi that way, in addition to pasting code, as it is now. Will keep ya posted - thanks for the interest :) M. On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 6:12 PM Knute Snortum wrote: > Interesting. Some thoughts: > > a) how do you get code into and out of the web Frescobaldi? Copy and > Paste? If you give people access to a browser, they can use Google > Drive or another cloud product. > > b) Any possibility of getting LilyPond version 2.22.2 and 2.23.11? > > -- > Knute Snortum > > > On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 2:35 PM Mike Blackstock > wrote: > > > > oops, apparently the hash tag in the url is important: > > https://static.blackstock.media/guacamole/#/ > > > > On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 5:27 PM Mike Blackstock < > blackstock.m...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Demo at https://static.blackstock.media/guacamole > >> > >> Login: guest > >> Password: guest > >> > >> Click one of the unused demo sessions. > >> > >> -Mike > >> > >> > >> -- > >> https://blackstock.media > > > > > > > > -- > > https://blackstock.media > -- https://blackstock.media
Re: Prototype Frescobaldi in the browser [URL correction]
re. "perhaps better that anything outside of /home/* not even be visible" Indeed, agree 100% ... but I couldn't find a linux file manager that disallowed access in that way. Could you recommend something? It wasn't a high priority because the site is running inside a KVM virtual machine that isolates it from the main host system, and it can be easily restored from a snapshot image if it gets trashed. It's restored to the original state once a day as well, just as a matter of policy, anyway. But a restricted filemanager would be better, even still. TIA for any suggestions. M. On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 5:58 PM Guy Stalnaker wrote: > Mike - one immediate thing to note - the current privileges expose the > root of the file system. Maybe there are no files outside of /home/* that > can be opened, but perhaps better that anything outside of /home/* not even > be visible. > > Will explore more later (Zoom with family now). > > Regards, > > Guy S > -- > > “Happiness is the meaning and the purpose of life, the whole aim and end > of human existence.” > > ― Aristotle > > > On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 4:35 PM Mike Blackstock > wrote: > >> oops, apparently the hash tag in the url is important: >> https://static.blackstock.media/guacamole/#/ >> >> On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 5:27 PM Mike Blackstock >> wrote: >> >>> Demo at https://static.blackstock.media/guacamole >>> >>> Login: guest >>> Password: guest >>> >>> Click one of the unused demo sessions. >>> >>> -Mike >>> >>> >>> -- >>> https://blackstock.media >>> >> >> >> -- >> https://blackstock.media >> > -- https://blackstock.media
Re: Prototype Frescobaldi in the browser [URL correction]
Someone left this [see attached screenshot] , so I saved it... it's in the 'demo' session folder. M. On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 5:33 PM Mike Blackstock wrote: > oops, apparently the hash tag in the url is important: > https://static.blackstock.media/guacamole/#/ > > On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 5:27 PM Mike Blackstock > wrote: > >> Demo at https://static.blackstock.media/guacamole >> >> Login: guest >> Password: guest >> >> Click one of the unused demo sessions. >> >> -Mike >> >> >> -- >> https://blackstock.media >> > > > -- > https://blackstock.media > -- https://blackstock.media
Re: Prototype Frescobaldi in the browser [URL correction]
oops, apparently the hash tag in the url is important: https://static.blackstock.media/guacamole/#/ On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 5:27 PM Mike Blackstock wrote: > Demo at https://static.blackstock.media/guacamole > > Login: guest > Password: guest > > Click one of the unused demo sessions. > > -Mike > > > -- > https://blackstock.media > -- https://blackstock.media
Re: Server question: SSD or HDD ?
Demo at https://static.blackstock.media/guacamole On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 11:51 AM David Wright wrote: > On Thu 29 Jul 2021 at 15:01:58 (+0100), Phil Holmes wrote: > > On 29/07/2021 14:55, Mike Blackstock wrote: > > > I'm getting a new server for online hosting of lilypond stuff. > > > > > > I'm not much of a hardware guy... within my hosting budget, I can > > > have either a 500 GB SDD, or a 1 TB HDD pn the system I'll > > > be leasing. > > > > > > I've never had a system with a solid state drive... would it > > > be noticeably faster for compiling lilypond scores? > > > > > > https://blackstock.media <https://blackstock.media> > > > > Lilypond is pretty much CPU limited, so the speed of the drive has > almost no effect on compiling scores. It's also single threaded, so the > best option for speeding it up is an ultra-fast single core CPU - if one > exists these days. > > OTOH the website reference in your signature implies that > several people could be simultaneously compiling their own > scores within IDEs, others downloading scores, consulting > documentation, and so on. > > With most machines now offering several CPUs and cores, > I'd certainly expect the SSD option to be far faster. > But bear in mind that they do slow down when run near > full capacity. I've read recommendations that you > shouldn't exceed about 70% to maintain top speed, so > I would check your total storage requirements on the site. > > Running near full capacity also impacts lifetime, but as > you're leasing, I guess that's of no concern to you. > > Cheers, > David. > -- https://blackstock.media
Prototype Frescobaldi in the browser
Demo at https://static.blackstock.media/guacamole Login: guest Password: guest Click one of the unused demo sessions. -Mike -- https://blackstock.media
Re: Server question: SSD or HDD ?
Thanks Phil and David! I got the 500 gig SSD option; I can always add more later. The entire Mutopia repository, which I've cloned, with mp3s of all midi files added, is less than 10 gigs. 500 gigs is a lot! I'll be sure to keep it under 70% capacity. System specs are here: https://order.servermania.com/configure/244?options=1345%7C3998 They're putting it together right now. I opted for Ubuntu 20. It's dedicated, just my lilypond projects. Thx for checking the website page David. Cheers, M. On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 11:51 AM David Wright wrote: > On Thu 29 Jul 2021 at 15:01:58 (+0100), Phil Holmes wrote: > > On 29/07/2021 14:55, Mike Blackstock wrote: > > > I'm getting a new server for online hosting of lilypond stuff. > > > > > > I'm not much of a hardware guy... within my hosting budget, I can > > > have either a 500 GB SDD, or a 1 TB HDD pn the system I'll > > > be leasing. > > > > > > I've never had a system with a solid state drive... would it > > > be noticeably faster for compiling lilypond scores? > > > > > > https://blackstock.media <https://blackstock.media> > > > > Lilypond is pretty much CPU limited, so the speed of the drive has > almost no effect on compiling scores. It's also single threaded, so the > best option for speeding it up is an ultra-fast single core CPU - if one > exists these days. > > OTOH the website reference in your signature implies that > several people could be simultaneously compiling their own > scores within IDEs, others downloading scores, consulting > documentation, and so on. > > With most machines now offering several CPUs and cores, > I'd certainly expect the SSD option to be far faster. > But bear in mind that they do slow down when run near > full capacity. I've read recommendations that you > shouldn't exceed about 70% to maintain top speed, so > I would check your total storage requirements on the site. > > Running near full capacity also impacts lifetime, but as > you're leasing, I guess that's of no concern to you. > > Cheers, > David. > -- https://blackstock.media
Server question: SSD or HDD ?
I'm getting a new server for online hosting of lilypond stuff. I'm not much of a hardware guy... within my hosting budget, I can have either a 500 GB SDD, or a 1 TB HDD pn the system I'll be leasing. I've never had a system with a solid state drive... would it be noticeably faster for compiling lilypond scores? -- https://blackstock.media
Re: who is behind omet.ca [I am]
Hi there. My apologies for not responding earlier...it seems gmail is 'hiding' lilypond-user messages and I haven't been seeing them. I've been maintaining omet.ca for over 10 years, but I don't promote it, hence the absence of an 'impressum' or 'about page'. The 'about page' is on my personal site: https://blackstock.media re: "First having to register before knowing anything about what the site provides looks most suspicious" I agree... it should have a landing page like the one at blackstock.media - with an option to register right in the page. re: "There is no https://omet.ca to refer to either" omet.ca is just a redirect to ide.omet.ca... that was a quick fix to deal with a technical issue I was having The platform being used is 'os-js' (https://www.os-js.org/) and it's the perfect platform for developing a 'cloud Frescobaldi', as someone mentioned. Its developer Anders Evanrud is aware of omet and has been keen to implement features that I've suggested. re. "heavy computing.ca" - that's the VPS service I'm using for some of the things I do. It's located in Toronto Canada, in the so-called 'telco hotel' on Front St. The compilation server is located in my own studio... i want to be able to keep a close eye on it to see what kinds of load are placed on it when scores are being compiled. Cheers, Mike On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 3:30 AM Stefan Thomas wrote: > Dear community, > a few days I discovered https://ide.omet.ca/ which seems to be a very > interesting and useful site. > But I didn't find there an impressum. > Who are the people behind this site? Can I trust them? > Does someone of You know something about them? > Thanks, > Stefan > -- https://blackstock.media
Donation to Lilypond - where?
What is the procedure for sending a small donation to Lilypond? Thanks! - Mike ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: A book on how music notation should look
Terrific - thanks for posting! On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Richard Shann rich...@rshann.plus.com wrote: Someone just pointed me to this source of opinion on music notation: https://archive.org/details/EssentialDictionaryOfMusicNotation I don't think I've seen it mentioned on this list before, so thought folk might be interested. I just used it to educate myself on the subject of melisma for which I was roundly condemned a while back. Richard ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Goldberg Variations for Guitar Ensemble
Terrific work Steve. I love the idea of dividing it into duos, trios and quartets. Can I pass the URL along to others, or is the announcement just meant for list members? On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 2:52 PM, st...@linuxsuite.org wrote: Howdy! As per Janek's suggestion, I would like to announce my LilyPond project, the transcription and engraving of J. S. Bach's Goldberg Variations BWV 988 for Guitar Ensemble. http://www.gooeytar.com/projects/BWV-988/ The basics are mostly finished, and what remains is the fixing up of a few lilypond issues, fixing ties etc or whatever suggestions for improvement this forum and its experience can provide. I have an idea of how to approach the issue of ties and will elaborate in another post. -steve ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: PDF links to javascript?
re. As I see it you need to change either the PDF itself or the javascript code run in the browser to achieve what you want. I discovered 'pdf.js' - a javascript program that converts pdf to HTML5 on-the-fly. I think if I use that as my pdf viewer in the browser, I can hack the code to get it to do what I want - http://mozilla.github.io/pdf.js/ Cheers, and thanks for responding -Mike On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 4:02 AM, Peter Bjuhr peterbj...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/17/2014 02:00 AM, Mike Blackstock wrote: Is there a way to change the textedit://uri mechanism in PDF point-and-lick links to point instead to a javascript function in the webbrowser? I've been looking around, but I know zilch about PDF documents; the closest I got was this, which tells me it's do-able (I think) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5934211/getting-notified-when-the-user-clicks-a-link-in-an-embedded-pdf/5942729#5942729 Re. Why do you want to do this? My source code editor is a javascript app that runs in the browser - Code Mirror. For compilation, the source code is sent to a server over a node.js/socket.io websocket; when compilation is complete, server sends browser a signal and PDF is opened in iframe. I need 'point-and-click' events to call javascript functions. As I see it you need to change either the PDF itself or the javascript code run in the browser to achieve what you want. If we assume the output from LilyPond is what it is, to change the PDF you have to change the links manually in Acrobat Pro like described in the stackoverflow page you link to. One alternative to this is to use SVG instead and manually change the links in the XML code. This can of course be very inconvenient if you have many links that needs to be changed. If on the other hand you can change the javascript code this can be achieved much easier, I think. Best Peter ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
PDF links to javascript?
Is there a way to change the textedit://uri mechanism in PDF point-and-lick links to point instead to a javascript function in the webbrowser? textedit:///path/guitar.ly:42:32:39 would instead be something like: javascript:parent.handlePdfLinks(path/guitar.ly:42:32:39) and the above would be executed on a click? I've been looking around, but I know zilch about PDF documents; the closest I got was this, which tells me it's do-able (I think) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5934211/getting-notified-when-the-user-clicks-a-link-in-an-embedded-pdf/5942729#5942729 Cheers, Mike ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: PDF links to javascript?
Hi Phil! Re. Why do you want to do this? My source code editor is a javascript app that runs in the browser - Code Mirror. For compilation, the source code is sent to a server over a node.js/socket.io websocket; when compilation is complete, server sends browser a signal and PDF is opened in iframe. I need 'point-and-click' events to call javascript functions. Thanks for responding and thanks for any help you can offer! On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net wrote: Why do you want to do this? Operating system? -- Phil Holmes - Original Message - *From:* Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com *To:* lilypond-user lilypond-user@gnu.org *Sent:* Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:34 PM *Subject:* PDF links to javascript? Is there a way to change the textedit://uri mechanism in PDF point-and-lick links to point instead to a javascript function in the webbrowser? textedit:///path/guitar.ly:42:32:39 would instead be something like: javascript:parent.handlePdfLinks(path/guitar.ly:42:32:39) and the above would be executed on a click? I've been looking around, but I know zilch about PDF documents; the closest I got was this, which tells me it's do-able (I think) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5934211/getting-notified-when-the-user-clicks-a-link-in-an-embedded-pdf/5942729#5942729 Cheers, Mike -- ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Survey: Git (G)UIs
I use a GUI based on Viewgit: http://www.omet.ca login 'demo10' password 'demo10' Help - Version control On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: Hi all Git users, I'd like to make a survey on how you are working with Git. Do you use the command line exclusively, or a GUI (which one(s))? Or a GUI for certain tasks and the command line for others? I'd be particularly interested in reports of successful or failed attempts to learn Git by starting with a GUI tool. I have a strong opinion that one should use the command line until one has a good understanding of the concepts, but I'd be interested in any differing experiences. Urs ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: calling all opera/musical engravers
Valentin did his full opera, Affaire Etrangere, with Lilypond: http://wiki.lilynet.net/-Opera- M. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hello all! I would love to hear from anyone who has engraved a full opera or musical (with at least vocal score plus full score) in Lilypond. Specifically: 1. Is lilypond-book the only sane way to do it? 2. What functions/extensions/tricks did you use to bend Lily to your will? 3. What pitfalls are to be watched for (and hopefully avoided)? 4. What limitations cannot [currently] be overcome? Thanks, Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: transferring Lilynet
If anybody wants, it can be moved to my server, and I can give someone a shell account for maintenance. Also Janek, re. lilypond compilation on my server - if you'd like to have a stab at compiling lilypond where I failed, I can give you an account with the sources I installed and we discussed - it might be easier than me sending you log files from the compilation output. On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Valentin, since lilynet.net is dead, it would be good to transfer the archives someplace else (i've heard that you do have them?). We could probably add the articles to the lilypond blog, either as archival posts or pages. I don't know how much time i could spend on this, but i wouldn't want to leave LilyPond Report stuff in the current condition. best, Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Project Completed(-ish): 120 R.H. Studies by Giuliani
Wow, Terrific. I put them at http://www.omet.ca/scores/Mike_Blackstock_2/Giuliani_Mauro/120/120-B.html for reference - I hope that's ok (let me know if not and I'll take them down) On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Kale Good k...@kalegood.com wrote: Hello all, I haven't had a chance to do a serious proof read of this yet; I wanted to do it today but some other work came up, so I'm sending it out more than a little unfinished. All the notes and fingerings are there (or should be), but I haven't tweaked layout at all yet. This is my first big project, so feedback is very helpful. I do have some explicit questions: 1. Is there a way to get the time signature to print on ever line and to place it inside of the repeat bracket with my current score structure? 2. Getting spacing right (bar lines line up for each exercise): my unimplemented strategy is to put a voice in it with the proper spacing and make it transparent. A few minutes of mucking around making me wonder if this will work. Will it, and/or any better ideas? 3. Can I do a second row of fingerings somehow? I'd like to show editor's suggestions alternate fingerings. 4. Vertical spacing and beam slope height recommendations? I'm still developing my eye for this sort of thing. The first page looks like it could be a little tighter, as do a few other spots. Thanks for the support. Best, Kale -- Kale Good: Guitar Instructor phillyguitarlessons.com k...@kalegood.com phone: (215)260-5383 - 4705 Baltimore Ave, Phila, PA 19143 -mailing lessons - 1867 Frankford Ave. Phila, PA 19125 -lessons Google+ https://plus.google.com/b/105422331794047992190/ Facebook http://facebook.com/KaleGoodGuitarStudio Read my article The Seven Secrets to Six String Successhttp://www.guitarnoise.com/lesson/seven-secrets-to-six-string-success/ at GuitarNoise.com http://guitarnoise.com Leading the Journey from No-Skills-Guitarist to Talented Musician! ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Score examples
This trio for flute, violin and guitar is 'out-of-the-box': http://www.blackstockweb.ca/node/4 I dunno how to do a cres/dim on a single note very well (bar 6, flute - bad, but better elsewhere). I play guitar, and don't have much of an eye for non-guitar stuff (long phrases and slurs placements) -Mike On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote: Hi, I'm compiling a selection of examples to show LilyPond's output quality. I'm aiming at a collection of ca. 5 examples (1-page excerpts) of LilyPond scores tweaked to publication quality and a similar number of examples of out-of-the-box engraving. The latter is intended to show that one can _work_ with default scores quite good, that is one can play from them and one can use them to finish an edition for example, without having to bother about engraving details too early. Another goal of this collection is to show a variety of styles. Therefore I would be happy if you would send me (privately) examples you would share for that purpose. If I should get way too many submissions I might think of using them for a kind of gallery ,-) If it's 'publication quality' it should of course be as beautiful as possible. If it's out-of-the-box it should of course _be_ untweaked. It may well have deficiencies but should show the superior legibility of all LilyPond scores. I would also call it out-of-the-box if there is a general 'house' style sheet applied. Maybe I'll have a third group with such examples. TIA Urs __**_ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/**listinfo/lilypond-userhttps://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Scale Matcher website built with LilyPond
Wow, terrific. Any thoughts on adding a graphic that will grab more attention in links to the site [ie Facebook, Google+ ...] ? On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Adam Spiers lilypond-u...@adamspiers.orgwrote: Hi all, Thought you might be interested to hear that I built a new music harmony website which uses LilyPond to dynamically generate images of chords and scales: http://scalematcher.adamspiers.org/ Look in the FAQ for details of how to see the LilyPond source code ;-) Now I have to figure out how to install LilyPond 2.17.x on Debian 6 in order to be able to use \markLengthOn :-/ Regards, Adam ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [ANNOUNCE] Scale Matcher website built with LilyPond
re I'm no artist - that makes two of us. You could just use this bigger version of your favicon: http://blackstockweb.ca/logo.png,, which doesn't have to actually be seen anywhere on your page; then the line 'link rel=image_src href=pathtologo/logo.png /' in the head will give the bottom 'scrape' instead of the top one when the page is linked to: http://blackstockweb.ca/logo-demo.png Just a thought. Great app; I'll be using it myself - thanks! -Mike On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Adam Spiers lilypond-u...@adamspiers.orgwrote: Thanks. You mean like a logo icon? I'd be delighted to use one, but I'm no artist ... On 25 August 2013 02:20, Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, terrific. Any thoughts on adding a graphic that will grab more attention in links to the site [ie Facebook, Google+ ...] ? On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Adam Spiers lilypond-u...@adamspiers.org wrote: Hi all, Thought you might be interested to hear that I built a new music harmony website which uses LilyPond to dynamically generate images of chords and scales: http://scalematcher.adamspiers.org/ Look in the FAQ for details of how to see the LilyPond source code ;-) Now I have to figure out how to install LilyPond 2.17.x on Debian 6 in order to be able to use \markLengthOn :-/ Regards, Adam ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
mcat: join midi files
Here's a nice little utility that joins (concatenates) multiple midi files into one file: http://www.cap-lore.com/EnglishSuites/code/Transmog/mcat.html ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Excellent paper on 'Copyfraud'
re. If I now would want to make an edition of that work... According to Mazzone Two basic features of copyright law are that (1) copyright belongs to the creator of an original work, and (2) copyright protection is limited in duration. Copyright notices appear today, however, on virtually everything that is published—whether or not there exists a legitimate claim to copyright ownership... In order to receive copyright protection, a work must be the author’s own creation, displaying some minimal degree of creativity. Mere exertion—'sweat of the brow—does not a copyright confer. (p. 13) And, crucially: Despite the fact that copyrights are limited by time and original authorship, modern publishers routinely affix copyright notices to reprints of historical works in which copyright has expired. The publisher making the reprint is not the creator of the original work; absent a transfer by the creator of the work, the publisher would not be entitled to claim copyright in the first place. And since the copyright on the original work has expired— indeed, that is the very thing that allows the modern reprint to be made and sold—the work is in the public domain. (p. 15) As for editorial additions to a public domain score, the IMSLP page has good guidelines (for Canada, at any rate): http://www.imslp.org/wiki/Public_domain Editorial additions must not be routine, but require a threshold of originality to qualify for copyright protection: Insignificant editorial contributions have no copyright in themselves. Significant ones often do. The editor's contribution to the work must be of a significant and original nature, meeting a threshold of originality, to qualify for copyright protection. Some examples: - Most Significant: Transcriptions, orchestrations, arrangements, creative realizations of continuo or figured bass parts. - Less Significant: Adding original (new) fingerings, articulations, slurs, dynamic and tempo markings, routine chordal realizations of figured basses. - Insignificant: Transposition, error correction, translation of common expressions and instrument names. - Insignificant: Adding fingerings, articulations, slurs, dynamic and tempo markings from other public domain sources. Hope that helps. Of course, if you are publishing online and your ISP is clueless about the DMCA - and sadly, many are - then much of the above discussion is moot :( On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Urs Liska li...@ursliska.de wrote: Am 08.03.2013 14:18, schrieb Mike Blackstock: This paper might be of interest to anyone typesetting public domain music from so-called copyrighted scores: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=787244 Abstract: Copyfraud is everywhere. False copyright notices appear on modern reprints of Shakespeare's plays, Beethoven's piano scores, greeting card versions of Monet's Water Lilies, and even the U.S. Constitution. Archives claim blanket copyright in everything in their collections. Vendors of microfilmed versions of historical newspapers assert copyright ownership. These false copyright claims, which are often accompanied by threatened litigation for reproducing a work without the owner's permission, result in users seeking licenses and paying fees to reproduce works that are free for everyone to use. 75 pages, PDF - Jason Mazzone, University of Illinois College of Law ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user May I suggest a concrete example for consideration (because it's a tricky constellation and I'd appreciate any opinion)? Given a musical work that is clearly in the public domain (1820s). The autograph score is in private possession (in Switzerland). The contents of this autograph have been brought to the public through a 'private print' (by a renowned scholar) in 1967. I don't know how many copies there are from this private print, but some of them are available through public libraries (where I had the opportunity to take digital photographs). If I now would want to make an edition of that work, and explicitely the version of that manuscript, would I have to ask the owner of the manuscript, or could I argue that the music is in the public domain and the manuscript has already been made public? Would a claim of the owners of the manuscript to either charge royalties or prohibit the project be a valid cause or would you consider that copyfraud? Urs ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Mutopia
I give free web hosting accounts to lilyponders. You can have your own drupal installation (or whatever), so if you just need a place to host your files, that's an option. M. PS git and viewgit are installed as well On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Noeck noeck.marb...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I have some pieces (vocal scores of 3 chorals of Bach's Christmas Oratorio and in future some more) that I would like to share. I got no response from the mutopiaproject. Is there anything new since: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2012-11/msg00300.html What should I do? Upload it to imslp and forget about mutopia? Did someone start an official mutopia-collection-git-repository? Cheers, Joram PS: I would also volunteer to update some scores on Mutopia. Most of them would profit from newer LilyPond versions and sometimes a few additional tweaks would change a lot. But as long as this will not end up online, there is no point in doing so. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Holst's Mars?
Here's a band version that might save you a bit of work: http://www.omet.ca/scores/Mike_Blackstock_2/ - 'Mars from the Planets' bottom of page Originally in musicXML here: http://musescore.com/user/15251/scores/48167# On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Evan Driscoll edrisc...@wisc.edu wrote: I was surprised to look on IMSLP not find a download of The Planets score that is better than a somewhat mediocre scan. I also checked the Mutopia project and did a quick search. I'm interested enough in having a nicer version that I plan on typesetting it (probably just Mars, unfortunately), but I figured I'd ask on here whether anyone has run across a copy at some point or could suggest another place to look. Evan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Codemirror editor for Lilypond tweak
Just for reference: If the 'Codemirror' online editor is being used for lilypond files, it needs to have this line added to the sTeX mode file: plugins[concat] = addPluginPattern(concat, tag, [, [atom]); after the var plugins = new Array(); line and the same applies for any lilypond keyword (anything that begins with a \ I mean) that is also a javascript object method ( I can't think of any besides 'concat' but there may be others). Otherwise, the lilypond file won't load if it contains '\concat...' M. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ly2video - create videos from your LilyPond projects
this is FANTASTIC!! :) On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:15 PM, FireTight fireti...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, my name is Jiri FireTight Szabo and I would like to introduce program ly2video to you. This program can generate videos from your LilyPond projects that contains moving music staff, which is synchronized to music ( http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL444F0513202699C4feature=view_all examples ). If you are interested, you can download it http://code.google.com/p/ly2video/downloads/detail?name=ly2video_v1.0.zip here . I hope you will enjoy it! :) What do you need to use ly2video? - Python 2.7 - GNU LilyPond 2.14.2 - FFmpeg - TiMidity++ How to use it: Just call ly2video.py [options] from command line. Options: -h, --help: show help message and exit -i FILE, --input=FILE: input LilyPond project -o FILE, --output=FILE: name of output video (e.g. myNotes.avi, default is input + .avi) -c COLOR, --color=COLOR: name of color of middle bar (default is red) -f FPS, --fps=FPS: frame rate of final video (default is 30) -r HEIGHT, --resolution=HEIGHT: resolution of final video (options: 360, 720, 1080, default is 720) --title-at-start: adds title screen at the start of video (with name of song and its author) --title-delay=SECONDS: time to display the title screen (default is 3 seconds) --windows-ffmpeg=PATH: (for Windows users) folder with ffpeg.exe (e.g. C:\ffmpeg\bin\) --windows-timidity=PATH: (for Windows users) folder with timidity.exe (e.g. C:\timidity\) Known issues: - music written with \partial command can cause a lot of bugs - commands like \override Stem #'stroke-style = #grace skip notes - videos created with title screen can have some bitrate issues -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/ly2video---create-videos-from-your-LilyPond-projects-tp33897492p33897492.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Version Control and Public Repository
Thanks Francisco. It's fixed. -M. On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 5:16 AM, Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.comwrote: 2012/11/10 Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com: You can generate your own lilypond scores page at www.omet.ca. Just upload your sources, compile them, and you'll get a page like this: http://www.omet.ca/scores/Mike_Blackstock_2/ I hadn't noticed before: source view in omet.ca does not escape and for chords, see image at http://paconet.org/lilypond/problem-omet-ca.png -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Version Control and Public Repository
You can generate your own lilypond scores page at www.omet.ca. Just upload your sources, compile them, and you'll get a page like this: http://www.omet.ca/scores/Mike_Blackstock_2/ It also also has musicXML to lilypond conversion online; there's lots of musicXML scores out there on the web. Cheers, Mike On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Keehun Nam kee...@gmail.com wrote: Dear lovely LilyPond community, I am wondering if there's already a public repository to upload LilyPond code of full works that are not just useful snippets (which already exists). If one doesn't already exist, would it be useful for people if I set one up? I use Git version control for all my LilyPond files as well as Dropbox's versioned backups. Does anyone else do the same? This is the main reason why I use LilyPond--plain text source files compared to the proprietary formats of Sibelius and Finale. I also use LilyPond to typeset already-printed scores for extremely clear-er parts and larger and crisper scores (a lot of it under copyright which wouldn't allow me to share them). Why do you use LilyPond? Are you all mainly composers? Music typesetters? Thank you, Keehun ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Lilypond on the cloud
Hi Francois. Its been moved to http://www.omet.ca; use that address if you want to use the Facebook login. It has an editor with syntax highlighting and line numbering (CodeMirror, using the default Latext stylesheet), it also has convert-ly, and this week I'm adding midi2ly and musicxml2ly for online conversion. Cheers, Mike On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Francois Planiol alicuota...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, I would like to know what is actually up with cloud-lily, with an integrated editor on the web-page. Purpose is for use with Android. Thanks in advance Francois PS seems that http://cloud.blackstockweb.ca/ has no editor. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: What is the oldest convert-ly available?
Thanks guys. It's for an online lilypond site so users can convert older mutopia files. So it's no a real pressing issue for me, just a 'nice to have' feature if people wanted to could go back and upgrade old mutopia stuff. Cheers, Mike On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com wrote: 2012/10/27 Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@googlemail.com: 2012/10/27 Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com: There are a few things on Mutopia I would like to upgrade, one of which is version 1.7 I visited http://download.linuxaudio.org/lilypond/binaries/ and the earliest version there is 2.8.8, from 2006. I'm guessing that it will convert versions back to somewhere around version 2.0. Is that about right? Anything before 2.0 is more-or-less non-convertible? Thanks for any confirmations/additional info. -Mike Hi Mike, you could try to install an old version to be found here: http://download.linuxaudio.org/lilypond/source/ I recently tried to compile 2.6.x trying to do some research, but I failed. Perhaps you have more luck. Regards, Harm Forgot to mention that you could use the to-version-option of any convert-ly convert-ly -e -t2.14.2 will convert to 2.14.2 In general, I found converting-rules in convertrules.py since version 0.1.9 But every now and then there will be some stuff convert-ly is not able to handle. So I would use the _newest_ convert-ly and update very carefully from one version to the next with the to-version-option fixing manually all issues convert-ly is not smart enough to do. But I never tried to update such an old file, I wish Good Luck. -Harm ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Announcement: A Lilypond 'cloud' website
It's kind of 'alpha' and needs to people to try out the functionality. Not affiliated with the Lilypond project in any way, it's if for people who would like to have access to their Lilypond projects remotely. You can upload your projects and work on them on the website, in a way analogous to how you might work on them on your desktop system. You can create new folders and sub-folders, use 'include' files, download the project back to PC, etc. It's far from complete - it will evelove over time - but it is might nevertheless useful 'as is' for those who need occasional access to their projects. If you think the approach has potential, as a kind of 'google docs' for Lilypond, and can help with occasional testing and feedback, please reply, preferably off-list. I'll be starting a mailing-list eventually. url - http://cloud.blackstockweb.ca Cheers and thanks, Mike ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Announcement: A Lilypond 'cloud' website
I'll remove the reference to Facebook - that's not in use right now. Creating an account just sets up a separate directory for your files, that's all. Files are stored on my own VPS server - A debian system with only one account holder - me. Server is in Canada. No charges, ever, it's just a way for me to 'give back' to Lilypond, that's all. Cheers, Mike On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Robert Schmaus robert.schm...@web.dewrote: Hi Mike, Thanks for the announcement! Before I try it out, a couple of questions: The login is via Facebook account - if I don't have one and create an account on your website, will I in fact create a Facebook account? Where is the data stored and who has access to it? Will the use of this IDE become a pay service eventually (storage cost etc)? Thank you! Robert On 13 Jul 2012, at 11:51, Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com wrote: It's kind of 'alpha' and needs to people to try out the functionality. Not affiliated with the Lilypond project in any way, it's if for people who would like to have access to their Lilypond projects remotely. You can upload your projects and work on them on the website, in a way analogous to how you might work on them on your desktop system. You can create new folders and sub-folders, use 'include' files, download the project back to PC, etc. It's far from complete - it will evelove over time - but it is might nevertheless useful 'as is' for those who need occasional access to their projects. If you think the approach has potential, as a kind of 'google docs' for Lilypond, and can help with occasional testing and feedback, please reply, preferably off-list. I'll be starting a mailing-list eventually. url - http://cloud.blackstockweb.ca Cheers and thanks, Mike ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: tunefl and other web services
lol On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.cawrote: I don't drink beer. - Graham :) On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:40:52AM -0400, Mike Blackstock wrote: ok,ok, ok - I'll remove the model, you guys win. sigh. It's not a real Debian ad? What a shame, it should be. I'm going for a beer - let's agree on that at least ? ;) -Mike On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:13 AM, Graham Percival [1]gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 05:57:02AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Mike Blackstock [2]blackstock.m...@gmail.com writes: I agree. As I pointed out, the model was meant to personify Aquinas' definition of 'beauty' and tie that in with the beauty of Lilypond. We disagree on what 'sleaze' is. Not how 'gatekeeper' comes into play and as for marketing - well, this is free, and I'm defering to the judgment of the Debian Linux ad, as I thought I made clear. The Debian ad goes to a bit more effort than depicting an arbitrary snapshot of a woman in a swimsuit. And I still don't see them pulling this off convincingly either. Wait a moment -- *what* Debian ad? The [3]2.bp.blogspot.com image has the url linu...[4]blogspot.com, which redirects me to some spam-ish site. There's no way that's an official Debian advertisement. Look folks, anybody can slap some text onto an image. Back in 2001, I found a set of jpegs of naked girls that somebody had photoshopped (or gimped) Linux mascots onto. Those weren't official linux advertisements; it was obviously just some horny teenagers who thought it would be cute[1] to slap some Linux penguins onto chicks. [1] to be fair, at the time I was in my very early 20s, and I thought it was funny too. Also, there was one picture of a girl in a waterfall that was particularly hot. I can't remember any specifics of the images, though. - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list [5]lilypond-user@gnu.org [6]https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user References 1. mailto:gra...@percival-music.ca 2. mailto:blackstock.m...@gmail.com 3. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/ 4. http://blogspot.com/ 5. mailto:lilypond-user@gnu.org 6. https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: tunefl and other web services
At the risk of 'beating a dead horse' that has nothing to do with Lilypond, but you put some thought into remarks below and so here's a reply and then can me move on to any feed-back about the online compiler, file-manager and so on? Scantily-clad model on page matter is closed, it was ill-conceived, pointed out, and she's being removed. After I say bye. : At some point of time you need to make up your mind about whether you are aiming for a depiction of beauty, or a pretty woman. The problem is not that you are lacking a model, but an artist. Interesting - 'aiming for a depiction of beauty or a pretty woman' - they're mutually exclusive? I was aiming for a depiction of beauty, and chose a beautiful woman. It could have been a beautiful sunset and why am I even writing this? And your rambling about my taste in women makes quite obvious that your referencing Aquin is not really much more than name-dropping with regard to executing an artistic vision: You omitted the reference I made in the very next message - 'all in fun. etc' The 'rambling ' was 'all in fun'. Not meant for a peer-reviewed journal, but a brief comment 'all in fun'. The quote on the page 'beauty: that which pleases merely by being perceived' is by Thomas Aquinas, hence I called it the 'Aquinas quote'. No name-dropping, simply attributing the quote to its (supposed) author. Most pictures of a sunset will do a better job of projecting a concept of _beauty_, even sunsets not in Toronto with their own agency. Maybe. I think a pretty woman is more beautiful than a sunset but it's subjective. As for 'own agency' - I merely pointed that out in response to a suggestion that the modelling wasn't professional. It is professional - Samantha is in high demand. This is a dumb point. 'Pretty' is almost a counterthesis to Aquinous beauty, and that makes it quite a challenge to put _this_ artistic vision into being by using a human female: while there certainly is some unique potential because of the fundamental appeal to a human recipient, this also offers _far_ too many possibilities for distracting from the artistic missive to make this easy The Aquinas definition of 'beauty' is: that which is pleasing merely by being perceived. I don't know what it means that 'pretty' is a 'counterthesis' to 'beauty', as defined: without a definition of 'pretty'; how can a defined term be a 'counterthesis' to an undefined one? At any rate. that a 'human female' - as you put it - has potential for being an object of beauty to a 'human recipient' is something we can agree on. I will leave to others to decode the sub-text in this. I'm getting bored. Thanks for the comments, and the critique. Critiques are good, and I'm changing the landing page accordingly - as noted in a separate message. Apologies to those who think this is way off-topic. It is. -Mike On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:07 AM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com writes: I seem to be relishing in your bluntness - cute - so let me return the favor. The women is a top Toronto model with her own agency; I'll take her tastes over yours, thanks. What your taste in women is - and who knows what*that* is, I shudder to contemplate it - doesn't concern me; ditto with Debian. Stick to judgments about music engraving. At some point of time you need to make up your mind about whether you are aiming for a depiction of beauty, or a pretty woman. The problem is not that you are lacking a model, but an artist. And your rambling about my taste in women makes quite obvious that your referencing Aquin is not really much more than name-dropping with regard to executing an artistic vision: In his Summa Theologiae St. Thomas gives three distinguishing characteristics of beauty: wholeness or integrity, proportion or harmony, and claritas which can be translated splendor, radiance, light, brilliance. The chief characteristic is claritas, 'radiance' ... beautiful things shine. The beautiful illuminates our intellectus with the intuition of understanding. The eyes and ears of our soul enable our vision to see the transcendent beauty present ontologically in all being.. Most pictures of a sunset will do a better job of projecting a concept of _beauty_, even sunsets not in Toronto with their own agency. Pretty is almost a counterthesis to Aquinous beauty, and that makes it quite a challenge to put _this_ artistic vision into being by using a human female: while there certainly is some unique potential because of the fundamental appeal to a human recipient, this also offers _far_ too many possibilities for distracting from the artistic missive to make this easy. LilyPond's boilerplate slogan is beautiful typesetting, not pretty music. Did you even bother telling to your model and agency your aim and artistic vision of showing the overarching of Aquinous beauty, the resonating of God's presence
Re: tunefl and other web services
I have a Lilypond 'Cloud' web service to announce shortly as well, if anyone wants to have a look. It's at http://cloud.blackstockweb.ca - email login 'guest' password 'guest' It's functional enough for people to be able to upload their Lilypond projects and be able to work on them and show them remotely. Cheers - Mike PS - the girl? a friend - I got the idea after seeing this Debian linux ad: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_29YQGGYHw90/TFrnCsmnI_I/AXY/Kc11T499a-g/s1600/debian.jpg Nothing wrong in using beauty to promote beautiful engraving, I say :) On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org wrote: Hi Do we know about http://tunefl.com ? Also, should we be mentioning commercial services like scorio.com on our website? Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: tunefl and other web services
Thanks @tiredpixel. Yes, I've been in situations where it's been good to have projects online, like a 'Google Docs' kind of thing. It's happened a couple of times that people have asked me 'What Lilypond?' and I've been able to demo compilation and so on right there, from a public computer. You can't do that with the others - Finale, Sibelius, and SCORE (to my knowledge). Cheers, Mike On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 5:17 PM, @tiredpixel tiredpi...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/07/12 22:09, @tiredpixel wrote: On 11/07/12 15:38, Mike Blackstock wrote: I have a Lilypond 'Cloud' web service to announce shortly as well, if anyone wants to have a look. It's at http://cloud.blackstockweb.ca - email login 'guest' password 'guest' It's functional enough for people to be able to upload their Lilypond projects and be able to work on them and show them remotely. Cheers - Mike PS - the girl? a friend - I got the idea after seeing this Debian linux ad: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_**29YQGGYHw90/TFrnCsmnI_I/** AXY/Kc11T499a-g/s1600/**debian.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_29YQGGYHw90/TFrnCsmnI_I/AXY/Kc11T499a-g/s1600/debian.jpg Nothing wrong in using beauty to promote beautiful engraving, I say :) Dear Mike, Your service looks interesting; I'll certainly keep an eye out for it. Thank you for taking the time to create it. :) Peace, My apologies; I mistakenly posted to the wrong list. -- @tiredpixel twitter.com/tiredpixel | github.com/tiredpixel tunefl.com ♩ | hashtwinion.com ± | signantia.com ⚑ ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: tunefl and other web services
Left-hand clefs - just temporary expedience, I grabbed them from somewhere. Will eliminate them or replace with Lilypond clefs. Brandenberg - again, expedience. Grabbed from mutopia. Will replace examples with the ones from the manual. Cheers, and thanks! M On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 5:26 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: The sample page for the Brandenburg concerto is good for about a dozen issue reports in the category Ugly concerning triplet number placements. For a project selling itself as focused on beautiful engraving, we sure have a long way to go still. I was going to point it, too :) I'm pretty sure that this output is caused by wrong voicing. I bet that the user used \stemDown instead of \voiceTwo. This mistake is so common that i'm really worried :( One more thing: Mike, why do you use clef image from some non-Lily music font (looks like one of Finale fonts to me)? New Feta treble clef would be more relevant (available since version 2.15.9; it was mentioned in LilyPond Report #25 ( http://news.lilynet.net/?The-LilyPond-Report-25#an_interview_with_janek_warchol ) and you can see a nice old/new comparison here: http://news.lilynet.net/IMG/gif/clef_comparison.gif). other than that, it's great to see services like yours appearing! thanks, Janek PS concerning the girl, she's pretty indeed, but some of the /priests/ using Lily might have a problem with that :) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: tunefl and other web services
Samantha sings too. Seriously though, the idea was to have the model be a personification of Aquinas' definition, and tie in 'beauty' of that sort with the beauty of Lilypond. I think it works, but I removed her on subsequent pages, which was overdoing it. M. On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:24 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: She is about as relevant to music typesetting as a spotted flycatcher. Probably less so, since the latter is at least unmistakenly a songbird. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: tunefl and other web services
I disagree that the name suggests an affiliation, but no matter, I'm in the process of dropping 'Lilypond' from the name. 'Music Engraving IDE' works. M. On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.cawrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 12:03:45PM -0700, David Rogers wrote: I'm not a priest. However, I still don't like the picture. I agree. It reminds me of sleazy 1990s CD-roms selling shareware sofware. I don't think that's the best possible impression Lilypond can give. Fortunately, that website has nothing to do with the LilyPond project. Unfortunately, the name (Lilypond cloud music engraving IDE) suggests that it *is* affiliated with us. - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: tunefl and other web services
I agree. As I pointed out, the model was meant to personify Aquinas' definition of 'beauty' and tie that in with the beauty of Lilypond. We disagree on what 'sleaze' is. Not how 'gatekeeper' comes into play and as for marketing - well, this is free, and I'm defering to the judgment of the Debian Linux ad, as I thought I made clear. [marketing is a bit of a misnomer; this is free, for anyone who can use it - that's all] M. On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Josiah Boothby josi...@gmail.com wrote: Good thing Lilypond is good enough on its own grounds that I can suggest it to people without sending them to gatekeepers who use sleaze to market it :) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: tunefl and other web services
Thank you all for your comments I'm gonna: 1) replace left-hand clefs with Lilypond clefs ( or just remove them ); 2) remove examples and find better one (or just remove examples period) 3) Remove Lilypond from the name. Cheers, and thanks again, Mike On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com wrote: I have a Lilypond 'Cloud' web service to announce shortly as well, if anyone wants to have a look. It's at http://cloud.blackstockweb.ca - email login 'guest' password 'guest' It's functional enough for people to be able to upload their Lilypond projects and be able to work on them and show them remotely. Cheers - Mike PS - the girl? a friend - I got the idea after seeing this Debian linux ad: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_29YQGGYHw90/TFrnCsmnI_I/AXY/Kc11T499a-g/s1600/debian.jpg Nothing wrong in using beauty to promote beautiful engraving, I say :) On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org wrote: Hi Do we know about http://tunefl.com ? Also, should we be mentioning commercial services like scorio.com on our website? Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: tunefl and other web services
I seem to be relishing in your bluntness - cute - so let me return the favor. The women is a top Toronto model with her own agency; I'll take her tastes over yours, thanks. What your taste in women is - and who knows what*that* is, I shudder to contemplate it - doesn't concern me; ditto with Debian. Stick to judgments about music engraving. M. On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:52 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com writes: Samantha sings too. Seriously though, the idea was to have the model be a personification of Aquinas' definition, and tie in 'beauty' of that sort with the beauty of Lilypond. I think it works, Nope. To pull this off even remotely, you need something suitable to pass off as an image of a unblemished goddess, and those don't run around in bikinis and wear this kind of blacked-eye makeup. You won't even start to get close without a photographer, and by that I don't mean a person with a camera. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: tunefl and other web services
all in fun ;) No offence intended, none taken. ;) M. On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com wrote: I seem to be relishing in your bluntness - cute - so let me return the favor. The women is a top Toronto model with her own agency; I'll take her tastes over yours, thanks. What your taste in women is - and who knows what*that* is, I shudder to contemplate it - doesn't concern me; ditto with Debian. Stick to judgments about music engraving. M. On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:52 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com writes: Samantha sings too. Seriously though, the idea was to have the model be a personification of Aquinas' definition, and tie in 'beauty' of that sort with the beauty of Lilypond. I think it works, Nope. To pull this off even remotely, you need something suitable to pass off as an image of a unblemished goddess, and those don't run around in bikinis and wear this kind of blacked-eye makeup. You won't even start to get close without a photographer, and by that I don't mean a person with a camera. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: tunefl and other web services
ok,ok, ok - I'll remove the model, you guys win. sigh. It's not a real Debian ad? What a shame, it should be. I'm going for a beer - let's agree on that at least ? ;) -Mike On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:13 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.cawrote: On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 05:57:02AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote: Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com writes: I agree. As I pointed out, the model was meant to personify Aquinas' definition of 'beauty' and tie that in with the beauty of Lilypond. We disagree on what 'sleaze' is. Not how 'gatekeeper' comes into play and as for marketing - well, this is free, and I'm defering to the judgment of the Debian Linux ad, as I thought I made clear. The Debian ad goes to a bit more effort than depicting an arbitrary snapshot of a woman in a swimsuit. And I still don't see them pulling this off convincingly either. Wait a moment -- *what* Debian ad? The 2.bp.blogspot.com image has the url linu...blogspot.com, which redirects me to some spam-ish site. There's no way that's an official Debian advertisement. Look folks, anybody can slap some text onto an image. Back in 2001, I found a set of jpegs of naked girls that somebody had photoshopped (or gimped) Linux mascots onto. Those weren't official linux advertisements; it was obviously just some horny teenagers who thought it would be cute[1] to slap some Linux penguins onto chicks. [1] to be fair, at the time I was in my very early 20s, and I thought it was funny too. Also, there was one picture of a girl in a waterfall that was particularly hot. I can't remember any specifics of the images, though. - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: No LilyPond Report today
Inspired by David K's joke, I announced to all my facebook friends that I'm engaged :) On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.netwrote: Hello folks, you may have noticed that there **isn't** a new LilyPond Report out today. Nope. None at all. Sorry. And if anything, you will certainly **not** find it here: http://news.lilynet.net/?The-LilyPond-Report-25 But I didn't tell you that. Cheers, Valentin. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Dvorak Symphony and Keith OHara
Works escape me. Astonishing Keith. Might I ask ask how long it took and how the score was entered? -Mike ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: MAC help
Great. Your next assignment is translating the manual to Russian :) Just kidding... I'm looking forward to typesetting together. M. On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Anna Anufriyva anna.canbe...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, guys! I used the pre-compiled binary 5 days ago and everything stopped on the step Compile After updating OS software pre-compiled binary works :-) Thanks Anna On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com wrote: Thx guys. Anna, could you try the pre-compiled binary at http://www.lilypond.org/macos-x.html? Sorry for not making it clear that you don't have to compile from scratch - pre-compiled binaries exist for all major platforms. If you want to kill me, I deserve it. M. On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 10:46 AM, James Lowe james.l...@datacore.comwrote: Hello, From: lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org[lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe= datacore@gnu.org] on behalf of Tim McNamara [tim...@bitstream.net] Sent: 17 April 2011 14:57 To: Mike Blackstock Cc: lilypond-user lilypond-user Subject: Re: MAC help On Apr 17, 2011, at 7:12 AM, Mike Blackstock wrote: I'm helping a friend install on Mac OS X 10.6.6 but I know nothing about the Mac. I found this in the archive: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2011-03/msg00246.html Is that the right approach for her? No. That's not the right approach for almost any user, there is just no reason to compile Lilypond from scratch. Download the precompiled binary and put it in the Applications folder. http://www.lilypond.org/macos-x.html Note that the 10.6.7 OS update from Apple may break Lilypond. There have been several reports of problems after updating to 10.6.7 but I have no idea if the cause or a for-sure ix has been identified. --- Just to clarify that last statement, 10.6.7 didn't 'break' Lilypond inasmuch as it caused some fonts to not display properly - the symptom was apparently the score would 'sometimes' (at least I never had it at all) not show note heads and only show stems, which one could argue breaks LP in displaying PDFs, however...all those people that had this as far as I can tell on the thread, either ran Onyx (which you can download for free - if you don't know what it is use Google but I do recommend it generally for Mac as a useful tool - and ran all the 'clean out/maintenance' scripts - which includes things like rebuilding the font cache and the like, then reboot and all was fine after that. I am not aware that this problem - which was reported on another website to do with OTF type fonts (I think) so was a general than specific to LP - was ever 'resolved' in terms of what the underlying problem is or even the case of those users that had the issue with LP still had the issue after this clean out. However, I myself had no such problems so don't want to put you or your friend off from using LP on a Mac. Indeed I've literally just finished a set of 10 parts for our Local Wind Band with no issues at all. regards James ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
MAC help
I'm helping a friend install on Mac OS X 10.6.6 but I know nothing about the Mac. I found this in the archive: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2011-03/msg00246.html Is that the right approach for her? Thank you in advance for any Mac tips, Mike ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: MAC help
Thx guys. Anna, could you try the pre-compiled binary at http://www.lilypond.org/macos-x.html? Sorry for not making it clear that you don't have to compile from scratch - pre-compiled binaries exist for all major platforms. If you want to kill me, I deserve it. M. On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 10:46 AM, James Lowe james.l...@datacore.comwrote: Hello, From: lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org[lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe= datacore@gnu.org] on behalf of Tim McNamara [tim...@bitstream.net] Sent: 17 April 2011 14:57 To: Mike Blackstock Cc: lilypond-user lilypond-user Subject: Re: MAC help On Apr 17, 2011, at 7:12 AM, Mike Blackstock wrote: I'm helping a friend install on Mac OS X 10.6.6 but I know nothing about the Mac. I found this in the archive: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2011-03/msg00246.html Is that the right approach for her? No. That's not the right approach for almost any user, there is just no reason to compile Lilypond from scratch. Download the precompiled binary and put it in the Applications folder. http://www.lilypond.org/macos-x.html Note that the 10.6.7 OS update from Apple may break Lilypond. There have been several reports of problems after updating to 10.6.7 but I have no idea if the cause or a for-sure ix has been identified. --- Just to clarify that last statement, 10.6.7 didn't 'break' Lilypond inasmuch as it caused some fonts to not display properly - the symptom was apparently the score would 'sometimes' (at least I never had it at all) not show note heads and only show stems, which one could argue breaks LP in displaying PDFs, however...all those people that had this as far as I can tell on the thread, either ran Onyx (which you can download for free - if you don't know what it is use Google but I do recommend it generally for Mac as a useful tool - and ran all the 'clean out/maintenance' scripts - which includes things like rebuilding the font cache and the like, then reboot and all was fine after that. I am not aware that this problem - which was reported on another website to do with OTF type fonts (I think) so was a general than specific to LP - was ever 'resolved' in terms of what the underlying problem is or even the case of those users that had the issue with LP still had the issue after this clean out. However, I myself had no such problems so don't want to put you or your friend off from using LP on a Mac. Indeed I've literally just finished a set of 10 parts for our Local Wind Band with no issues at all. regards James ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [OT] Vivi, the Virtual Violinist, plays LilyPond music
This is F*G great! Especially the Bach BWV 1006 - I could have sworn it
really was a kid playing. http://percival-music.ca/audio/bwv-1006_1.wav.mp3
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Graham Percival
gra...@percival-music.cawrote:
Hi all,
My PhD research has swept me into the direction of automatic music
performance. In particular, generating realistic-sounding audio
from sheet music. In particular, going from a .ly file with a
single staff of violin music to a wav file that sounds like it was
performed by a violinist with 1-2 years of experience.
For example, this:
\relative c' {
\set Staff.instrumentName = violin-1
\key d \major
\time 4 = 72
a4\f d fis8-. a-. r4
d16( cis b a) g4 \breathe e8\p( g) fis4
}
becomes this:
http://percival-music.ca/audio/example-input.wav.mp3
with no manual tweaking, human input, or recorded audio samples.
Many more examples, audio, video, and theory, on my website:
http://percival-music.ca/vivi.html
Cheers,
- Graham
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Re: 99 bottles of beer on the wall
I posted all 17 .png pages to my facebook wall :) On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: Wow. Brilliant work here: http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-lilypond-1351.html (I was doing a google search for lilypond music function, because I couldn't remember the exact syntax, and this popped up) Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.
Interesting. I spent an hour or so doing various searches looking for court decisions and came up blank; I'm wondering if we're making a mountain out of a mole-hill? Can somebody find an instance of a music publisher suing somebody over such things? Like I say I couldn't find any with my average search skills; it would certainly be illuminating to see how the courts have ruled however. I'm wondering if fingerings and/or phrasing slurs are even copyrightable: is a suggestion on how to solve a technical problem copyrightable? If so, couldn't one copyright a golf swing? It starts to look ridiculous - which may explain the lack of easily-located court cases. Just thinking out loud. M. On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Michael Ellis michael.f.el...@gmail.comwrote: A few excerpts from the Wikipedia article on derivative works. Highlighting and italics added by me. 17 U.S.C.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_17_of_the_United_States_Code § 103(b) http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/103%28b%29.html provides: The copyright in a compilation or derivative work extends only to the material contributed by the author of such work, as distinguished from the preexisting material employed in the work, and does not imply any exclusive right in the preexisting material. The copyright in such work is independent of, and does not affect or enlarge the scope, duration, ownership, or subsistence of, any copyright protection in the preexisting material. US Copyright Office Circular 14: Derivative Workshttps://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.copyright.gov%2Fcircs%2Fcirc14.pdf notes that: A typical example of a derivative work received for registration in the Copyright Office is one that is primarily a new work but incorporates some previously published material. This previously published material makes the work a derivative work under the copyright law. To be copyrightable, a derivative work must be different enough from the original to be regarded as a new work or must contain a substantial amount of new material. *Making minor changes or additions of little substance to a preexisting work will not qualify the work as a new version for copyright purposes. The new material must be original and copyrightable in itself. Titles, short phrases, and format, for example, are not copyrightable.* When does derivative-work copyright exist? For copyright protection to attach to a later, allegedly derivative work, it must display some originality of its own. It cannot be a rote, uncreative variation on the earlier, underlying work. The latter work must contain sufficient new expression, over and above that embodied in the earlier work for the latter work to satisfy copyright law’s requirement of originalityhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Originality . Although serious emphasis on originality, at least so designated, began with the Supreme Court’s 1991 decision in *Feist v. Ruralhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feist_v._Rural *, some pre-*Feist* lower court decisions addressed this requirement in relation to derivative works. In *Durham Industries, Inc. v. Tomy Corp.*[1 ] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work#cite_note-0 and earlier in *L. Batlin Son, Inc. v. Snyder*,.[2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work#cite_note-1the Second Circuit held that a derivative work must be original relative to the underlying work on which it is based. Otherwise, it cannot enjoy copyright protection and copying it will not be copyright infringement. In the *Batlin* case, one maker of Uncle Sam toy banks sued another for copying its coin-operated bank, which was based on toy banks sold in the United States[3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work#cite_note-2 since at least the 1880s. (These toys have Uncle Sam's extended arm and outstretched hand adapted to receive a coin; when the user presses a lever, Uncle Sam appears to put the coin into a carpet bag.) The plaintiff's bank was so similar to the 19th Century toys, differing from them only in the changes needed to permit a plastic molding to be made, that it lacked any original expression. Therefore, even though the defendant's bank was very similar to the plaintiff's,[4]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work#cite_note-3 the plaintiff's was not entitled to any copyright protection. To extend copyrightability to minuscule variations would simply put a weapon for harassment in the hands of mischievous copiers intent on appropriating and monopolizing public domain work. -- Obviously, laws vary from country to country, but to me this suggests that it would be very hard to assert a copyright claim to any set of of rhythms and pitches that are already available in the public domain. I think that's why I was having trouble with the concept that a copy of a chorale with a mistake is a copyrighted work. Cheers, Mike On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 8:09 PM,
Re: Solfege Resources -- 404 bach chorales in Lilypond format with Movable Do solfege.
Just to clarify: anything is copyrightable of course - there's no laws that I'm aware of that prevent people from asserting a copyright; question is, can it/has it a chance of standing up? M. On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:09 AM, Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.comwrote: Interesting. I spent an hour or so doing various searches looking for court decisions and came up blank; I'm wondering if we're making a mountain out of a mole-hill? Can somebody find an instance of a music publisher suing somebody over such things? Like I say I couldn't find any with my average search skills; it would certainly be illuminating to see how the courts have ruled however. I'm wondering if fingerings and/or phrasing slurs are even copyrightable: is a suggestion on how to solve a technical problem copyrightable? If so, couldn't one copyright a golf swing? It starts to look ridiculous - which may explain the lack of easily-located court cases. Just thinking out loud. M. On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Michael Ellis michael.f.el...@gmail.comwrote: A few excerpts from the Wikipedia article on derivative works. Highlighting and italics added by me. 17 U.S.C.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_17_of_the_United_States_Code § 103(b) http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/103%28b%29.html provides: The copyright in a compilation or derivative work extends only to the material contributed by the author of such work, as distinguished from the preexisting material employed in the work, and does not imply any exclusive right in the preexisting material. The copyright in such work is independent of, and does not affect or enlarge the scope, duration, ownership, or subsistence of, any copyright protection in the preexisting material. US Copyright Office Circular 14: Derivative Workshttps://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.copyright.gov%2Fcircs%2Fcirc14.pdf notes that: A typical example of a derivative work received for registration in the Copyright Office is one that is primarily a new work but incorporates some previously published material. This previously published material makes the work a derivative work under the copyright law. To be copyrightable, a derivative work must be different enough from the original to be regarded as a new work or must contain a substantial amount of new material. *Making minor changes or additions of little substance to a preexisting work will not qualify the work as a new version for copyright purposes. The new material must be original and copyrightable in itself. Titles, short phrases, and format, for example, are not copyrightable.* When does derivative-work copyright exist? For copyright protection to attach to a later, allegedly derivative work, it must display some originality of its own. It cannot be a rote, uncreative variation on the earlier, underlying work. The latter work must contain sufficient new expression, over and above that embodied in the earlier work for the latter work to satisfy copyright law’s requirement of originalityhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Originality . Although serious emphasis on originality, at least so designated, began with the Supreme Court’s 1991 decision in *Feist v. Ruralhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feist_v._Rural *, some pre-*Feist* lower court decisions addressed this requirement in relation to derivative works. In *Durham Industries, Inc. v. Tomy Corp.*[ 1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work#cite_note-0 and earlier in *L. Batlin Son, Inc. v. Snyder*,.[2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work#cite_note-1the Second Circuit held that a derivative work must be original relative to the underlying work on which it is based. Otherwise, it cannot enjoy copyright protection and copying it will not be copyright infringement. In the *Batlin* case, one maker of Uncle Sam toy banks sued another for copying its coin-operated bank, which was based on toy banks sold in the United States[3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work#cite_note-2 since at least the 1880s. (These toys have Uncle Sam's extended arm and outstretched hand adapted to receive a coin; when the user presses a lever, Uncle Sam appears to put the coin into a carpet bag.) The plaintiff's bank was so similar to the 19th Century toys, differing from them only in the changes needed to permit a plastic molding to be made, that it lacked any original expression. Therefore, even though the defendant's bank was very similar to the plaintiff's,[4]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work#cite_note-3 the plaintiff's was not entitled to any copyright protection. To extend copyrightability to minuscule variations would simply put a weapon for harassment in the hands of mischievous copiers intent on appropriating and monopolizing public domain work. -- Obviously, laws vary from country to country, but to me this suggests that it would be very hard
Happy New Year
I hope it's not too off-topic to wish everyone the best success in their Lilypond projects. 2011, give us your best ;) M. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: musescore
I have around 2800 FB friends, nearly all of them musicians, and I plan to do some Lilypond advocacy - hence my friend request. I'll need some 'backup' debaters/advisors etc. and so if anybody would like to send me a friend request, well the more the merrier. I think we can get quite a few converts if we plan it right. Some kind of facebook lilypond app would help - I'm thinking of a stripped down version of omet.ca (For those interested, it's easy to just put a pre--existing webpage/webapp into a facebook iframe - it's that simple). Just a thought. M. On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:49 AM, Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org wrote: This is smart pr http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmusescore.org%2Fen%2Fabout%2Ftestimonialsh=cd3b2 also note they have 1500 fans on #fb today! Greetings, Jan -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org | GNU LilyPond http://lilypond.org Freelance IT http://JoyofSource.com | Avatar® http://AvatarAcademy.nl ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ANDLINUX: Easy virtualization option
I hadn`t noticed that - thx for pointing it out. I`ll keep an eye out for 64-bit version. On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Marc Mouries m...@mouries.net wrote: thanks for passing the info. that's interesting. Too bad is supports only 32 bits OS. On Dec 6, 2010, at 8:54 PM, Mike Blackstock wrote: I've attached a screenshot of Ubuntu and Windows 7 running concurrently on a 1 gig netbook (yeah, believe it or not). andlinux has a somewhat different approach to virtualization, described here: http://www.techwandering.com/2008/02/20/andlinux -an-easy-way-to-run-linux-applications-right-on-your-windows-desktop/ In a nutshell, the linux kernel is recompiled as a native windows app, and it's much faster than either virtualbox or vmware. 500 meg download is at andlinux.org - if anybody wants to try it and has questions, ask away. It works unbelievably well - I've used vmware, and I wouldn;t dream of switching back. -Mike andLinux.jpg___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
ANDLINUX: Easy virtualization option
I've attached a screenshot of Ubuntu and Windows 7 running concurrently on a 1 gig netbook (yeah, believe it or not). andlinux has a somewhat different approach to virtualization, described here: http://www.techwandering.com/2008/02/20/andlinux -an-easy-way-to-run-linux-applications-right-on-your-windows-desktop/ In a nutshell, the linux kernel is recompiled as a native windows app, and it's much faster than either virtualbox or vmware. 500 meg download is at andlinux.org - if anybody wants to try it and has questions, ask away. It works unbelievably well - I've used vmware, and I wouldn;t dream of switching back. -Mike attachment: andLinux.jpg___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: GPL vs. LGPL
Why not have a look at www.omet.ca and then send me a note? Sounds like omet has the beginnings or 'proof-of-concept' of what you are trying to do - the dojo toolkit has tons of stuff that can be used for this type of app. -M On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Feifan Zhou inspir...@gmail.com wrote: What was the reason for releasing Lilypond under the GPL rather than the LGPL? In keeping with Lilypond's philosopy of providing beautiful sheet music to everyone, I would believe that the LGPL would have been a better choice. But I'm not here to argue my point; it would be me against the community and would not be a very pleasant debate. Rather, I have a little problem. I'm trying to build what will really be the first true sheet music app for the iPad. As a pianist, I hate having to sort through huge binders, websites, and thick anthologies to find my music, and the iPad's large screen would allow me to house a veritable digital library of music. I would also like to allow for the creation and/or editing of sheet music. To provide a quality rendering experience, I would like to be able to include a music rendering engine that can render beautiful anti-aliased sheet music on screen whenever possible, in addition to displaying PDF scans as found on websites such as IMSLP. My problem is that I have fallen in love with Lilypond. Its simplicity and the beauty of its output is quite stunning, and I believe it would look amazing on the iPad and make sheet music more readily available. I have plans for a public, open sheet music library that users can contribute to. However, the GPLv3 does not allow me to use Lilypond in a commercial application. So, I'm asking for advice. Considering the license over Lilypond, which I have no intention of breaking, what should I do about my conundrum? Are there alternatives that produce output of the same quality that I should consider? Thank you in advance! ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: wiki or blog with lilypond
Wkisophia: http://wikisophia.org/wiki/Main_Page Just enter lilypond code between music/music tags and it'll be rendered and embedded in a wiki page. -Mike On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Marc Mouries m...@mouries.net wrote: Dear Lilyponders, As i go about learning violin with my kids, I create practice music sheet and scores of classical and folk songs. Now I would like to set up a wiki or blog to document what we learn as we go. Would you know a blog or wiki that supports lilypond syntax? thanks, Marc ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Online Lilypond
This one appears to be idle but as they say appearances can be deceiving. Work has shifted a bit towards setting up a collaboratve development environment so others can take part in development, with two of us laying a foundation - we'll be putting the code in svn on the vex.net server and using Eclipse IDE for development. If anyone has experience in the dojo toolkit or anything else to conrtibute there's a mailing list at http://mailman.vex.net/mailman/listinfo/omet - one thing I think we started discuiing is a network of lilypond servers, with rendering going to the least busy server. Stuff like that. Incidentally, there's a nice chat utility installed now - it 'floats' anywhere on the screen so it can be moved out of the way of notes, minimized to taskbar etc - good for discussing real-time changes to the site On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.net wrote: On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 8:49 PM, flup2 phili...@philmassart.net wrote: You should take a look at http://weblily.net/web/guest I guess it will be updated to 2.14 when it's out. There's also http://www.omet.ca/ (and a few others). Yours Pondly, V. Villenave. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: My kingdom for a lilypond server
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Re: [OT] tempo detection experiment (using lilypond!)
Hey, it's excellent I think. I say 'I think' cause I'm on a library computer and it's hard to judge the 'travel' of the keys and when they hit the bed so to speak and there's no sound.. Is there suppose to be a metronome sound? Nevertheless, I was getting around 98% so there's room from improvement. (In me - not the program). I see I start slightly ahead of the beat, then catch up, then slightly behind. On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: Hey guys, As many of you know, I've been working on educational games to help music students practice rhythms and intonation. Well, I'm finally ready to begin tests of aspects of these programs; the first test is to detect the tempo of a student-performed rhythm. I've written an online flash game for rhythms. The game presents you with a rhythm and metronome, and you're supposed to tap the rhythm on your keyboard. http://percival-music.ca/tempo/ Of course, since this game is supposed to be useful for students, you could try tapping the wrong rhythm – ignore the metronome, add an extra note, hold a few notes for twice as long as you should... make whatever mistakes you think a student might make! Or, if you're not a professional musician, you could just try to perform the rhythms correctly, and let the mistakes happen naturally. :) Information about your gameplay will be automatically sent to me and used to improve the tempo detection. No names or personal information is recorded; I have no idea who is playing the game. Details of the information gathered is available on the website. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: random music
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Re: random music
Me too I've long been interested in this; I'd like to be able to generate endless sight-reading exercises/material for guitarists, perhaps in the form of duos with the computer playing one of the parts just to keep things interesting. I've downloaded but haven't yet looked at Strasheela (http://strasheela.sourceforge.net/strasheela/doc/index.html), thinking it might be something useful for such a project. Plus I think Graham has expertise in it. -Mike On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Mike Solomon wrote: For what it's worth... I do a lot of exactly this: aleatoric composition in Lilypond. () I use Python for all of my aleatory and have Python spit out lilypond-parseable code. There is no good reason for this aside from the fact that, for me, thinking creatively in Python is easier and faster than thinking creatively in Scheme. That's what I was thinking. Doing such things in Python is probably easier. But the thought of a lilypond input file that produces random output files all by itself just intrigues me. -- Martin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: install on shared host without root access?
No, you don't need root access - sounds like he's trying to sell you a Virtual Server account or whatever it's called.. If I recall correctly, the path to the lilypond executable is set somewhere in wikitex.php so look for for it in there. Better yet, get an account with vex.net - they have lilypond installed, the owner's a lilypond user, and they offer probably the best shell access stuff you can get anywhere. I'm using them for a lilypond related project and you won't get bogus advice. Cheers, Mike On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Vijith Assar vijithas...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm trying to install LilyPond on my cheap shared server account so I can use the MediaWiki extension. I've changed the LilyPond location called by MediaWiki by using the $wgLilypond variable as described in the extension's documentation such that LilyPond now resides in my home directory. This should be fine according to what I've read, but the host is still telling me I need a more expensive plan which allows root access in order to get it working. I get the following error when I try to render LilyPond notation in MediaWiki (though with any number of different absolute or relative URLs, since I've tried all the possible permutations): LilyPond error: sh: /lilypond/lilypond: No such file or directory What am I doing wrong? Is my host correct in stating that root access is required? ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website 24-hour test
I'm using Internet Explorer 7 and instead of the buttons being aligned along the top, they're 'stacked' on a green strip along the left side, with the strip partially obscuring the main content area I'm on a library computer and can't seem to get a screenshot - sorry. -Mike On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: We’re testing our new website! For the next 24 hours, the new website will be the default website; after that, we will switch back to the old website while we examine feedback and make improvements to the new website. Please send feedback to lilypond-user; you can find more information on our page about Contact. Note: There are a few known problems with translations. If you are a non-English speaker, you may prefer to view the old lilypond website at: http://lilypond.org/web/ Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website 24-hour test
It's fantastic with firefox. Everything's easy to find, it's well structured., nice color scheme - kudos. IE 7 problem could be just this one library computer - maybe previous user screwed something up. Will try again later from different computer - today's a library visiting day for me anyways. M. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Mike Blackstock blackstock.m...@gmail.com wrote: I'm using Internet Explorer 7 and instead of the buttons being aligned along the top, they're 'stacked' on a green strip along the left side, with the strip partially obscuring the main content area ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: OMET: Online Music Editing Tools feedback?
Thanks Frank. I've only recently learned that things don't work properly in Safari, and if I'm not mistaken, Konqueror uses the same rendering engine as Safari, yes? At any rate that would be good if it's true cause i'd be able to iron out difficulties with Konqueror, which runs on Linux, and then hopefully that'll help take care of Safari - which I can't get to run on Linux. Thnaks a lot i'll get back to you. -Mike On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: My answer is a little late, but valid: Konqueror 4 has problems with those vertical tabs at the sides, and the menus aren’t as nicely drawn as they (c|s)hould: http://img409.imageshack.us/i/konq.png/ For some strange reason, with other user accounts than my own, it doesn’t even get past the blue loating picture. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I guess irony can be pretty ironic sometimes. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: 8th triplets in 3/4 beaming?
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Re: Presentation: quot;Publisher-grade LilyPondquot; in Ottawa
I look forward to the article with great anticipation; it'll be interesting to see how you justify the conclusions in the last few slides. Other than that, there isn't much one can say - no argument is put forward, just a series of statements. Good luck -Mike On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Boris Shingarov b...@shingarov.com wrote: And for those who cannot make it or are too lazy to travel to Canada, will your presentation or paper be available online? The slides are now online at http://www.shingarov.com/lily ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
8th triplets in 3/4 beaming?
This:
\relative c' {
\time 2/4
\times 2/3 {c8 c c }
\times 2/3 {c c c }
}
gives me this, as expected: http://www.vex.net/~mikeb/ex2-4.png
(beam connecting 3 triplets then a new beam)
but this, in 3/4 with 3 triplets:
\relative c' {
\time 3/4
\times 2/3 {c8 c c }
\times 2/3 {c c c }
\times 2/3 {c c c }
}
gives me this, with beams all connected: http://www.vex.net/~mikeb/ex3-4.png
Every time signature but 3/4 gives me the expected result - beam
connecting 3 triplets, then a new beam.
Am I missing something obvious?
Lilypond 2.13.11 on Ubuntu 9.04
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Re: gospel sheet music
Choral Public Domain Library - www.cpdl.org I got over 500 matches for the keyword 'gospel'. -Mike On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Stefan Thomas kontrapunktste...@googlemail.com wrote: Dear community, I have to admit, it's not really a lilypond-thing, but: Do You know a good website with sheet music of gospela and spirituals? I've seen that there 2 examples on the mutopia site. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: OMET: Online Music Editing Tools feedback?
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Re: OMET: Online Music Editing Tools feedback?
Thanks a lot. I think it works across all browsers, though someone reported problems with FF 3.6.3 on some version of Vista, and IE 6 has the png bug that I gave up on. Also Google Chrome doesn't properly handle the turning off of the cursor it seems, at least on my system. And I just noticed an image is missing when you enter a bar line. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Website Church music drawn up with LilyPond
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 3:58 PM, dadadharma @dslextreme.com Wouldn't it be fun to have a wikiproject, putting Florentine music from Machiavelli's time into LilyPond -- the Machiavellian music project? Indeed it would; it's a catchy name that's for sure. Why don't you start the project? You can use my wiki at http://www.vex.net/~mikeb/wiki to get things going and you can export everything if/when you want to leave. I can set up your own logo and there's an extension that will let me set up your own sidebar (I think - it's at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicSidebar) Start uploading - I have some code for extended functionality that I need an excuse to get around to installing it. The api for extended functionality can be viewed at http://www.vex.net/~mikeb/wiki/api.php Cheers, -Mike ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Website Church music drawn up with LilyPond
oops. Start uploading - I have some code for extended functionality that I need an excuse to get around to installing it. The api for extended functionality can be viewed at http://www.vex.net/~mikeb/wiki/api.php ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Website Church music drawn up with LilyPond
Sorry, gmail is acting up. Anyway, I wanted to say the documentation for mediawiki's api is at http://www.vex.net/~mikeb/wiki/api.php - that any wiki can be accessed with the api.php suffix is not generally known. Hopefully this message works. -Mike ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Community of professional LilyPond engravers?
Count me in as someone who's interested. -Mike On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Michael J. O'Donnell michael_odonn...@acm.org wrote: I am pondering offering engraving services with LilyPond. I wonder if there are people ready and willing to share information on the possibility to make modest money this way. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Pop versions of classical music
Just an idea on typesetting popular music that people would recognize but that have copyright issues: quite a number of these songs are, as suggested in another thread, older non-copyrighted songs with new lyrics added and typesetting the originals is one way around the problem. Here's a few that come to mind: 'Love me tender' is 'Aura Lee' 'Happy Birthday' is 'Good morning to you' 'Fly me to the moon' is the Bach Toccata (first part anyway) and so on, there's many others if someone would like to contribute some. There's a website somewhere of pop versions of classical music that have made the British charts - can't think of it offhand. -Mike ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilypond via web interface: security considerations
Actually we're in agreement; as you put it, a %100 secure system is beyond the means of most people. So I'll 'rephrase what I wrote earlier : Although theoretically possible, real world considerations are such that a %100 secure publicly- accessible webserver that is within the financial means of most website owners is not possible and nothing will stop a committed hacker who wants access to your system. Sorry for the confusion. Now that you mention it, though, what I meant was that context is everything. Wikipedia can ill-afford to deploy Lilypond for good reasons it has given, but those reasons needn't apply to people like me and others who have expressed an interest in deploying lilypond on a webserver on an experimental basis. I think somebody with modest-to-good linux skills can deploy a system that is reasonably secure and by that I mean it can escape detection by the bot scripts that scour the net for trivially hackable systems. As long as it's not on a public server - and by that I mean one that contains other websites and info - I think it's doable. I know I tried it on a small basis; I had some pople try to hack it and they said stuff like 'I don't know how much time you want me to spend on this but the standard kiddie stuff can't get through. I ran it in a jail, removed anything that might be useful to someone who even gained root access, I had Tripwire installed to monitor all files, I had the replacement libc libraries installed (the ones that monitor for attempted bufferoverflow exploits) and so on. So I think someone who wants to experiment with it shouldn't be dissuaded by the reasons given by the people from Wikipedia. We should deploy it experimentally, ensure nobody can use the systems to disrupt other systems and - here's the key part - learn from it. My beer's getting warm - Cheers, Mike On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.cawrote: On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 02:47:54PM -0400, Mike Blackstock wrote: Of course, 'security' is relative - nothing will stop a commited hacker who's targeted your system, so I'm a bit mystified by some of the other responses here. That's not true -- The only reason that computer security is a joke is that people *treat* it like a joke. It's entirely possible to create a system that will foil a committed hacker. Now, does this involve a lot of work? Certainly. And consumers willing to pay to have this work done? Definitely not! But that doesn't mean that computer programs are some magical black box that anybody can break. Barring random bit-flipping from solar rays, computers are deterministic objects. By a lot of work, suppose that all programmers (and academics) stopped implementing new features and new programs in 1994, and spent the past 15 years just improving security. How many holes do you think would be left in the result? Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilypond via web interface: security considerations
No problem; if you do implement a chroot jail, the Sessink kit will make it relatively painless. Of course, 'security' is relative - nothing will stop a commited hacker who's targeted your system, so I'm a bit mystified by some of the other responses here. The original question was how to prevent people from executing arbitrary commands that may remove important system files. The answer is install the jail and limit what's in your bin directories. That'll stop the 'kiddie' hackers, which is probably what you want to do. Cheers, Mike On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:37 AM, Alex lilypond-u...@ohmslaw.org.uk wrote: Mike Blackstock wrote: Hi Mike, thanks for your helpful input. I'm familiar with chroot jails but haven't implemented one before. Not seen jailkit before - thanks for that. I've had a look through the devel and user archives at security mentions. I found out about the safe option but need to dig further, and do some reading etc. Given my experience at coding around lilypond (i.e. none), I'm not the ideal person to be looking at effecting safe mode, at least, not solo. If anyone with more experience is willing to guide a little, I'm willing to have a look at it (I mean, in the context of actually trying to make changes acceptable to code base proper). Anyway, will have a look in the archives again... thanks! lex ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilypond via web interface: security considerations
Install Lilypond in its own chroot jail using Olivier Sessink's
jailkit available
at http://olivier.sessink.nl/jailkit/ A 'chroot jail' means putting Lilypond on
its own filesystem so that nefarious activity - such as deleting
arbitrary files -
will be limited to the Lilypond file system. Furthermore, you just limit
the number of utilities you put in the /bin directories; if you don't
have the 'rm'
command in there, then it can't be run, obviously.
This, and other measures, will give you a fairly secure system, if it's your
own server system and you have control over it. If it's a public system, I doubt
they'll let you do any of this, unless it's one of the VPS ('virtual
personal server')
systems out there. These will run you around $50 a month, and you get your
own root-accessible system that you can pretty much do what you want with.
The guy I'm gonna use for this tells me I can do pretty much anything, short
of recompiling the kernel ;)
Hope this helps - I did it myself last year so fire away if you have
any questions
after searching the archives.
Cheers,
Mike
When you say that you know how to solve these issues - can you elaborate
please? Do you mean in terms of the changes required to lilypond to
enable a locked down mode, or something else?
lex
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Re: Help for paper about LilyPond and WYSIWYM sofware
Hi there. The client/server feedback delay is only really noticeable when the application sends the lilypond source to the server for rendering. Even there, since it's all done transparently in the background, it isn't that frustrating, since the user can keep working on other stuff - note entry and the like and there's no delay there cause that's all done with Javascript on the client. But yeah I agree with you that 'Rich Internet Applications' have been slow to catch on. Google has caught on (in fact I may use their toolkit for a familiar-lloking interface down the road) and others but web developers for the most part haven't. For sure, I'll keep you posted. When's your presentation? Cheers, Mike On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 4:17 AM, MonAmiPierrot pierofaust...@hotmail.comwrote: Looks like very interesting. It's quite a bit of time I think web-based editors are the (only) future, but it seems that still in 2009 not many people catched this. The greatest problem with web word processors is not the features (these can be implemented easily), is the feedback delay on many web operations. For a Lilypond user, this problem may not be annoying... so it seems to me a good idea. But I'm philosophying. Can you keep us updated please? thanks Piero - Piero Faustini, PhD student Dipartimento di Scienze Storiche Sezione musicologia Università di Ferrara Main Software used: - LyX 1.6.1 on WinXP sp3; EndNote JabRef - MikTex - LaTeX class: Koma book - Lilypond 2.12 for example excerpts - BibLaTeX for bibliographies -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Help-for-paper-about-LilyPond-and-WYSIWYM-sofware-tp22663629p23171813.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Why do Lilyond Engravers have inhibitions to store their score in Mutopia?
A couple of us had started a Wiki site for Lilypond called 'WikiLily' and we collaborated on some Schubert songs. We found the MediaWiki versioning system adequate for that. Alas, my company folded on short notice and the site went with it. However, I'm working on the site at home and hope to re-launch the site in the near future. I've been studing the MediaWiki code and API and I have an extension that allows tar archives of Lilypond projects to be uploaded; the extension then converts the directory structure of the tar file into wiki subpages. Same for zip files. Anyway, I've been spending my 'sabbatical' (as I call it) working on this kind of stuff and I hope to relaunch by summer's end. Cheers, Mike On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 8:56 AM, r...@uber.name wrote: But getting back to your questions: Mutopia is nice, but I should hope that, someday, when compiling a score takes a fraction of a second and copyright law is overhauled, people will use Wikimedia Commons to store and edit all of man's written music. I can't wait until the day they bring the lilypond plugin for MediaWiki over to Wikipedia! ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Help for paper about LilyPond and WYSIWYM sofware
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:20 PM, MonAmiPierrot pierofaust...@hotmail.comwrote: Did anyone write something about LilyPond and the WYSIWYM “philosophy”? Bits and pieces are out there. I think the best of both worlds is possible - the Lililypond .ly text file approach and a WYSIWYG kindof GUI built on top of that, and I'm on a kind of sabbatical working on a WYSIWYG Web interface for Lilypond, with a lot of AJAX and JSON as the mechanism for storage of the gui parts. I make my living (or used to up till recently) as a sysadmin and have had to deploy every new technology that's come along; usually learning just enough to get it up-and-running for the client and staying one or two steps ahead - then, on to something else. I wanted to take the time and look into this stuff in detail, which is what I've been doing and the possibilities are really exciting I think. Anyway, Lilypond's the way to go. Will have some kindof demo ready at some point in the next few months. Trying to get financing so I can do it fuull-time - we all know THAT story ;) Cheers, Mike ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
WikiLily
No, it's not dead. We closed our office in a hurry - my employer 'flew the coup' as they say. I expect to have WikiLily back up and running before summer. Been studying the mediawiki hooks stuff and all that and working on a javascript gui for beginners - they can deposit notes right on the staff and stuff like that. Plus the lilypond rendering is done in the background with ajax calls to the server. 'xajax' is pretty nifty. Cheers, Mike ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
lilypond 2.12
kudos on the new release - it's awesome. Mike ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
notehead offsets in single-staff polyphony
Guitar music has a lot of this stuff:
\relative c' {
{g'16 d' b d}
\\
{g,4}
}
where the G in the top part lines up with the G in the bottom and they
share the same notehead; exactly as expected and wanted.
However in this:
\relative c' {
\time 3/8
{g'8 b d}
\\
{g,4.}
}
the dotted-quarter in the bottom is offset to the right,
counter-intuitively (to me at least)
In the past I've worked around it with this:
\relative c' {
\time 3/8
{g'8 b d}
\\
\override NoteHead #'X-offset = #-1.6
\override Stem #'X-offset = #-1.6
{g,4.}
}
but then i have to keep switching back with \revert NoteHead #'X-offset
\revert Stem #'X-offset plus I'm just eyeballing and guessing at a good
offset value .
This can't be the right approach. Is there something in the manual I've
missed? And how come the different behavior in the 2 examples?
Thanks. - PS the quickest way to visualize the above is at
http://draft.wikilily.org/wiki/index.php/User:Mike_Blackstock#Sandbox
-Mike
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Re: notehead offsets in single-staff polyphony
Ah, I see... so it's the dotted note that makes the difference in the 2 examples. Makes sense. I guess i didn't think of looking under 'Collision Resolution'. Thanks! Incidentally Kieren are you related to Keith and/or Edward? Keith was the Chairman of the music dept. at Ottawa U when I was there. Kieren MacMillan wrote: Hi Mike, Is there something in the manual I've missed? merge-differently-dotted merge-differently-headed HTH! Kieren. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: notehead offsets in single-staff polyphony
Mike Blackstock wrote: Incidentally Kieren are you related to Keith and/or Edward? Keith was the Chairman of the music dept. at Ottawa U when I was there. Well if you are my apologies - it's 'Ernest' not 'Edward' of course. M. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LSR up
Thanks for pointing out the potential tomcat problem - I run tomcat as well and hadn't thought of a possible root compromise. (I'm least surprised about the never-ending security vigilance - just keeping on top of security is at least one full-time job, which nobody ever wants to pay for until something goes wrong and then they wander 'how come we didn't foresee this?' - sheesh!) :-P I just run tripwire regularly and that gives me some peace of mind. Anyway, I'm gonna use Nutch/Lucene to index all the lilypond documentation AND mail archives so people can search everything from one location; Nutch runs under tomcat so I'll look into the root issue. Cheers, Mike PS Incidentally, great job on the lilypond jail mode - it was pretty straightforward getting it running once I installed Olivier Sessink's jailkit. (Well, as staightforward as these things can be!) In the meantime I solved some security problem related to the fact that now tomcat doesn't run as root. You could be surprised to know that most of the time I spend on LSR is to make it work under the ever- changing Linux security policies :(. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Wikilily: \includes
you can now (well, experimentally) use \includes on wikilily.org. An example is at http://draft.wikilily.org/wiki/index.php/Winterreise/Gefrorne_Tranen - click on the 'edit' tab to see/edit the ly source. You'll see there : \include vocals.ly \include pianoRH.ly \include pianoLH.ly The parser sees '\include' and then looks at the page name (in this case, Gefrorne_Tranen) and uses that as a prefix to find a page called Gefrorne_Tranen/vocals.ly; the page contents are then written to the file vocals.ly in the lilypond jail tree and lilypond just compiles as per normal. So if you start a page called BlowMe with an include called NotInYourLife.ly, just make sure you have a page called BlowMe/NotInYourLife.ly on the wiki. Seems to work, as a proof of concept at least. It doesn't recursively descend the files as of yet - if NotInYourLife.ly has itself some '\includes' it won't work - but that's a relatively trivial matter to address. I grabbed an unfinished, abandoned Mozart symphony project from mutopia and will post that up for anybody who would like to help finish it. I'll post it today or Monday - my boss just poured another glass of Lagavulin in preparation for his garden party so i may not get much work done today. Cheers, Mike ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
