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2023-11-21 Thread Sara Mattes

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Base, Local Residents Invited to Attend Annual Tree Lighting Ceremony
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Mass. Investment in Communities that Build Around Commuter Rail Stations

2023-11-21 Thread DJCP

I understand people have had bad experiences in the past but Governor
Healey has hired a new General Manager, Philip Eng, and he's already doing
great things. Sure, those things are catching up on a backlog of regular
maintenance and fixing the Green Line Extension screw up where the tracks
are too narrow, but I believe Healey is committed to making public
transportation better. That was my point in posting the Radio Boston
segment - an actual statement from a state official looking forward,
instead of looking backward and relying on intuition.

Diana
Giles Rd

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 8:14 PM slsweet830 via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> What about the lack of handicapped accessibility? Years ago, as my
> daughter struggled to get on the train here in Lincoln, a helpful.
> conductor said that the plans to make the Lincoln stop handicapped
> accessible was years away. She suggested we drive to Waltham's handicapped
> accessible station.
>
> A certain number of housing units must be handicapped accessible, but our
> train station is not. This is a problem.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Kathleen Lomatoski 
> Date: 11/21/23 8:00 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Margo Fisher-Martin 
> Cc: Lincoln Talk 
> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Mass. Investment in Communities that Build
> Around Commuter Rail Stations
>
> I was a dedicated MBTA (via Alewife) and then a commuter rail rider for
> many years from Lincoln to North Station. I tolerated decidedly not great
> service and schedules, losing a lot of my daily time to delays, broken
> trains, etc. (You don’t get the time back!) Generally many of us support
> public transit yet admittedly the system needs massive resources to
> improve/maintain the infrastructure and more. I do not see significant
> improvements coming anytime in the near future, which is unfortunate. My
> work in Boston was public facing; relying on the commuter rail was a
> precarious choice, due to the frequent delays, odd train mishaps, and
> frequently occurring out of service trains or staffing issues. Planning
> some housing near transit makes sense yet I do not see that choice as one
> that will compel necessary improvements in the short term especially.
>
> Kathleen Lomatoski
>
>
> klomato...@gmail.com
>
> On Nov 21, 2023, at 7:25 PM, Margo Fisher-Martin <
> margo.fisher.mar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
> It’s not getting better even if we do comply.
> I hate to say it, but it’s true.
> And then if we do comply, we have a congested center with lousy service.
> The system is corrupt. Just like the RMV.
> Why should it get better just because there are new units there? The state
> cannot manage funds. Hence the nickname Taxachusetts.
> Sorry to be so negative, but the system is just going down the tubes. They
> will have to address safety issues before they even look at service issues.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 7:13 PM Lis Herbert  wrote:
>
>> I grew up riding Metro-North, and I understand that by comparison the
>> Fitchburg line is not great. The frequency is a problem, and that in large
>> part dictates the degree to which people depend on it, and their attitude
>> towards it.
>>
>> But it’s not getting any better if we don’t comply. I think we can be
>> sure of that, both because the demand won’t be sufficient, and we’ll have
>> thumbed our noses at the idea of being a mass transit-oriented community.
>>
>> It’s not clear to me how somebody can wish for improvements to the
>> commuter rail in Lincoln and not see that concentrating density around the
>> train is the answer. (I’m not saying you’re a somebody, by the way, just
>> pointing out that I’ve heard plenty of people trying to play both sides of
>> the coin.)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 21, 2023, at 6:25 PM, V Saleme  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Those of us who commuted into the city for work from here, have been
>> waiting for decades for improvements, frequency of service and reliability
>> to occur.
>>
>> The waiting continues.
>>
>> Vic
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 6:09 PM Lis Herbert  wrote:
>>
>>> Nowhere does it say that the train has to stop in Lincoln. We might not
>>> have a sense for how the state plans to approach the MBTA shortfalls, but I
>>> think it's a certainty that unless Lincoln demonstrates a commitment to
>>> meaningful density around the station, we can bet against improvements in
>>> service and frequency for Lincoln commuters. I hope we can all at least
>>> agree that improvements aren't happening if we vote to avoid rezoning much
>>> of that area in favor of car-centric development (that will, let's be
>>> honest, not happen) located (according to Google maps) an 8 mile, 15 minute
>>> drive away.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 5:33 PM Peter Buchthal 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 While I am happy to see some recognition that our MBTA needs
 investment,  I would like to point out the magnitude  and likelihood of the
 dollars we are talking about.

Re: [LincolnTalk] Mass. Investment in Communities that Build Around Commuter Rail Stations

2023-11-21 Thread slsweet830 via Lincoln

What about the lack of handicapped accessibility? Years ago, as my daughter 
struggled to get on the train here in Lincoln, a helpful. conductor said that 
the plans to make the Lincoln stop handicapped accessible was years away. She 
suggested we drive to Waltham's handicapped accessible station.A certain number 
of housing units must be handicapped accessible, but our train station is not. 
This is a problem.Sent from my Galaxy
 Original message From: Kathleen Lomatoski 
 Date: 11/21/23  8:00 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Margo 
Fisher-Martin  Cc: Lincoln Talk 
 Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Mass. Investment in 
Communities that Build Around Commuter Rail Stations I was a dedicated MBTA 
(via Alewife) and then a commuter rail rider for many years from Lincoln to 
North Station. I tolerated decidedly not great service and schedules, losing a 
lot of my daily time to delays, broken trains, etc. (You don’t get the time 
back!) Generally many of us support public transit yet admittedly the system 
needs massive resources to improve/maintain the infrastructure and more. I do 
not see significant improvements coming anytime in the near future, which is 
unfortunate. My work in Boston was public facing; relying on the commuter rail 
was a precarious choice, due to the frequent delays, odd train mishaps, and 
frequently occurring out of service trains or staffing issues. Planning some 
housing near transit makes sense yet I do not see that choice as one that will 
compel necessary improvements in the short term especially. Kathleen Lomatoski 
klomatoski@gmail.comOn Nov 21, 2023, at 7:25 PM, Margo Fisher-Martin 
 wrote:It’s not getting better even if we do 
comply.I hate to say it, but it’s true. And then if we do comply, we have a 
congested center with lousy service. The system is corrupt. Just like the 
RMV.Why should it get better just because there are new units there? The state 
cannot manage funds. Hence the nickname Taxachusetts. Sorry to be so negative, 
but the system is just going down the tubes. They will have to address safety 
issues before they even look at service issues.On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 7:13 PM 
Lis Herbert  wrote:I grew up riding Metro-North, and I 
understand that by comparison the Fitchburg line is not great. The frequency is 
a problem, and that in large part dictates the degree to which people depend on 
it, and their attitude towards it.But it’s not getting any better if we don’t 
comply. I think we can be sure of that, both because the demand won’t be 
sufficient, and we’ll have thumbed our noses at the idea of being a mass 
transit-oriented community.It’s not clear to me how somebody can wish for 
improvements to the commuter rail in Lincoln and not see that concentrating 
density around the train is the answer. (I’m not saying you’re a somebody, by 
the way, just pointing out that I’ve heard plenty of people trying to play both 
sides of the coin.)Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 21, 2023, at 6:25 PM, V Saleme 
 wrote:Those of us who commuted into the city for work 
from here, have been waiting for decades for improvements, frequency of service 
and reliability to occur. The waiting continues.VicOn Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 6:09 
PM Lis Herbert  wrote:Nowhere does it say that the train 
has to stop in Lincoln. We might not have a sense for how the state plans to 
approach the MBTA shortfalls, but I think it's a certainty that unless Lincoln 
demonstrates a commitment to meaningful density around the station, we can bet 
against improvements in service and frequency for Lincoln commuters. I hope we 
can all at least agree that improvements aren't happening if we vote to avoid 
rezoning much of that area in favor of car-centric development (that will, 
let's be honest, not happen) located (according to Google maps) an 8 mile, 15 
minute drive away. On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 5:33 PM Peter Buchthal 
 wrote:While I am happy to see some recognition that our 
MBTA needs investment,  I would like to point out the magnitude  and likelihood 
of the dollars we are talking about.  Regrettably, we are many, many years away 
from a properly functioning and reliable MBTA and commuter rail in 
Lincoln.According to the Boston Globe:"The MBTA needs a gobsmacking $24.5 
billion to repair and replace its decrepit track, stations, trains, signals, 
and other assets, an agency analysis released Thursday shows, providing the 
long-awaited tally of how broken the transit system is.""The next most 
expensive is the commuter rail system, at about $8 billion, with the bulk of 
investment needed for stations, followed by the Green and Mattapan lines — 
which need $4.7 billion."List to the 
article:https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/11/16/metro/cost-to-fix-mbta/On Tue, 
Nov 21, 2023 at 10:55 AM DJCP  wrote:After she was 
appointed permanent Transportation Secretary last week, Monica Tibbits-Nutt 
directly stated on Radio Boston that the Commonwealth would invest in 
communities that build around Commuter Rail stations.

Re: [LincolnTalk] Mass. Investment in Communities that Build Around Commuter Rail Stations

2023-11-21 Thread Kathleen Lomatoski

I was a dedicated MBTA (via Alewife) and then a commuter rail rider for many years from Lincoln to North Station. I tolerated decidedly not great service and schedules, losing a lot of my daily time to delays, broken trains, etc. (You don’t get the time back!) Generally many of us support public transit yet admittedly the system needs massive resources to improve/maintain the infrastructure and more. I do not see significant improvements coming anytime in the near future, which is unfortunate. My work in Boston was public facing; relying on the commuter rail was a precarious choice, due to the frequent delays, odd train mishaps, and frequently occurring out of service trains or staffing issues. Planning some housing near transit makes sense yet I do not see that choice as one that will compel necessary improvements in the short term especially. Kathleen Lomatoski klomato...@gmail.comOn Nov 21, 2023, at 7:25 PM, Margo Fisher-Martin  wrote:It’s not getting better even if we do comply.I hate to say it, but it’s true. And then if we do comply, we have a congested center with lousy service. The system is corrupt. Just like the RMV.Why should it get better just because there are new units there? The state cannot manage funds. Hence the nickname Taxachusetts. Sorry to be so negative, but the system is just going down the tubes. They will have to address safety issues before they even look at service issues.On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 7:13 PM Lis Herbert  wrote:I grew up riding Metro-North, and I understand that by comparison the Fitchburg line is not great. The frequency is a problem, and that in large part dictates the degree to which people depend on it, and their attitude towards it.But it’s not getting any better if we don’t comply. I think we can be sure of that, both because the demand won’t be sufficient, and we’ll have thumbed our noses at the idea of being a mass transit-oriented community.It’s not clear to me how somebody can wish for improvements to the commuter rail in Lincoln and not see that concentrating density around the train is the answer. (I’m not saying you’re a somebody, by the way, just pointing out that I’ve heard plenty of people trying to play both sides of the coin.)Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 21, 2023, at 6:25 PM, V Saleme  wrote:Those of us who commuted into the city for work from here, have been waiting for decades for improvements, frequency of service and reliability to occur. The waiting continues.VicOn Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 6:09 PM Lis Herbert  wrote:Nowhere does it say that the train has to stop in Lincoln. We might not have a sense for how the state plans to approach the MBTA shortfalls, but I think it's a certainty that unless Lincoln demonstrates a commitment to meaningful density around the station, we can bet against improvements in service and frequency for Lincoln commuters. I hope we can all at least agree that improvements aren't happening if we vote to avoid rezoning much of that area in favor of car-centric development (that will, let's be honest, not happen) located (according to Google maps) an 8 mile, 15 minute drive away. On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 5:33 PM Peter Buchthal  wrote:While I am happy to see some recognition that our MBTA needs investment,  I would like to point out the magnitude  and likelihood of the dollars we are talking about.  Regrettably, we are many, many years away from a properly functioning and reliable MBTA and commuter rail in Lincoln.According to the Boston Globe:"The MBTA needs a gobsmacking $24.5 billion to repair and replace its decrepit track, stations, trains, signals, and other assets, an agency analysis released Thursday shows, providing the long-awaited tally of how broken the transit system is.""The next most expensive is the commuter rail system, at about $8 billion, with the bulk of investment needed for stations, followed by the Green and Mattapan lines — which need $4.7 billion."List to the article:https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/11/16/metro/cost-to-fix-mbta/On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 10:55 AM DJCP  wrote:After she was appointed permanent Transportation Secretary last week, Monica Tibbits-Nutt directly stated on Radio Boston that the Commonwealth would invest in communities that build around Commuter Rail stations. At about 7:10 in the segment linked here, Tiziana specifically asks about HCA, and at 8:50 the Secretary says Mass. will put the money where "the cities and towns do what needs to be done": https://www.wbur.org/radioboston/2023/11/13/monica-tibbits-nutt-massdot-sagamore-bourne-tobin-mbta-sumnerAt 5:20, the Secretary also talks about how the "inner core" needs to invest in housing so we can invest more in connecting places like Worcester. I think the whole segment is worth listening to, as she directly links housing to transportation. DianaGiles Rd 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Mass. Investment in Communities that Build Around Commuter Rail Stations

2023-11-21 Thread Margo Fisher-Martin

It’s not getting better even if we do comply.
I hate to say it, but it’s true.
And then if we do comply, we have a congested center with lousy service.
The system is corrupt. Just like the RMV.
Why should it get better just because there are new units there? The state
cannot manage funds. Hence the nickname Taxachusetts.
Sorry to be so negative, but the system is just going down the tubes. They
will have to address safety issues before they even look at service issues.



On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 7:13 PM Lis Herbert  wrote:

> I grew up riding Metro-North, and I understand that by comparison the
> Fitchburg line is not great. The frequency is a problem, and that in large
> part dictates the degree to which people depend on it, and their attitude
> towards it.
>
> But it’s not getting any better if we don’t comply. I think we can be sure
> of that, both because the demand won’t be sufficient, and we’ll have
> thumbed our noses at the idea of being a mass transit-oriented community.
>
> It’s not clear to me how somebody can wish for improvements to the
> commuter rail in Lincoln and not see that concentrating density around the
> train is the answer. (I’m not saying you’re a somebody, by the way, just
> pointing out that I’ve heard plenty of people trying to play both sides of
> the coin.)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2023, at 6:25 PM, V Saleme  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Those of us who commuted into the city for work from here, have been
> waiting for decades for improvements, frequency of service and reliability
> to occur.
>
> The waiting continues.
>
> Vic
>
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 6:09 PM Lis Herbert  wrote:
>
>> Nowhere does it say that the train has to stop in Lincoln. We might not
>> have a sense for how the state plans to approach the MBTA shortfalls, but I
>> think it's a certainty that unless Lincoln demonstrates a commitment to
>> meaningful density around the station, we can bet against improvements in
>> service and frequency for Lincoln commuters. I hope we can all at least
>> agree that improvements aren't happening if we vote to avoid rezoning much
>> of that area in favor of car-centric development (that will, let's be
>> honest, not happen) located (according to Google maps) an 8 mile, 15 minute
>> drive away.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 5:33 PM Peter Buchthal 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> While I am happy to see some recognition that our MBTA needs
>>> investment,  I would like to point out the magnitude  and likelihood of the
>>> dollars we are talking about.  Regrettably, we are many, many years away
>>> from a properly functioning and reliable MBTA and commuter rail in Lincoln.
>>>
>>>
>>> According to the Boston Globe:
>>>
>>> "The MBTA needs a gobsmacking $24.5 billion to repair and replace its
>>> decrepit track, stations, trains, signals, and other assets, an agency
>>> analysis released Thursday shows, providing the long-awaited tally of how
>>> broken the transit system is."
>>>
>>> "The next most expensive is the commuter rail system, at about $8
>>> billion, with the bulk of investment needed for stations, followed by the
>>> Green and Mattapan lines — which need $4.7 billion."
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> List to the article:
>>> https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/11/16/metro/cost-to-fix-mbta/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 10:55 AM DJCP  wrote:
>>>
 After she was appointed permanent Transportation Secretary last week,
 Monica Tibbits-Nutt directly stated on Radio Boston that the Commonwealth
 would invest in communities that build around Commuter Rail stations.

 At about 7:10 in the segment linked here, Tiziana specifically asks
 about HCA, and at 8:50 the Secretary says Mass. will put the money where
 "the cities and towns do what needs to be done":
 https://www.wbur.org/radioboston/2023/11/13/monica-tibbits-nutt-massdot-sagamore-bourne-tobin-mbta-sumner

 At 5:20, the Secretary also talks about how the "inner core" needs to
 invest in housing so we can invest more in connecting places like
 Worcester.

 I think the whole segment is worth listening to, as she directly links
 housing to transportation.

 Diana
 Giles Rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Mass. Investment in Communities that Build Around Commuter Rail Stations

2023-11-21 Thread Lis Herbert

I grew up riding Metro-North, and I understand that by comparison the Fitchburg line is not great. The frequency is a problem, and that in large part dictates the degree to which people depend on it, and their attitude towards it.But it’s not getting any better if we don’t comply. I think we can be sure of that, both because the demand won’t be sufficient, and we’ll have thumbed our noses at the idea of being a mass transit-oriented community.It’s not clear to me how somebody can wish for improvements to the commuter rail in Lincoln and not see that concentrating density around the train is the answer. (I’m not saying you’re a somebody, by the way, just pointing out that I’ve heard plenty of people trying to play both sides of the coin.)Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 21, 2023, at 6:25 PM, V Saleme wrote:Those of us who commuted into the city for work from here, have been waiting for decades for improvements, frequency of service and reliability to occur. The waiting continues.VicOn Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 6:09 PM Lis Herbert wrote:Nowhere does it say that the train has to stop in Lincoln. We might not have a sense for how the state plans to approach the MBTA shortfalls, but I think it's a certainty that unless Lincoln demonstrates a commitment to meaningful density around the station, we can bet against improvements in service and frequency for Lincoln commuters. I hope we can all at least agree that improvements aren't happening if we vote to avoid rezoning much of that area in favor of car-centric development (that will, let's be honest, not happen) located (according to Google maps) an 8 mile, 15 minute drive away. On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 5:33 PM Peter Buchthal wrote:While I am happy to see some recognition that our MBTA needs investment, I would like to point out the magnitude and likelihood of the dollars we are talking about. Regrettably, we are many, many years away from a properly functioning and reliable MBTA and commuter rail in Lincoln.According to the Boston Globe:"The MBTA needs a gobsmacking $24.5 billion to repair and replace its decrepit track, stations, trains, signals, and other assets, an agency analysis released Thursday shows, providing the long-awaited tally of how broken the transit system is.""The next most expensive is the commuter rail system, at about $8 billion, with the bulk of investment needed for stations, followed by the Green and Mattapan lines — which need $4.7 billion."List to the article:https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/11/16/metro/cost-to-fix-mbta/On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 10:55 AM DJCP wrote:After she was appointed permanent Transportation Secretary last week, Monica Tibbits-Nutt directly stated on Radio Boston that the Commonwealth would invest in communities that build around Commuter Rail stations. At about 7:10 in the segment linked here, Tiziana specifically asks about HCA, and at 8:50 the Secretary says Mass. will put the money where "the cities and towns do what needs to be done": https://www.wbur.org/radioboston/2023/11/13/monica-tibbits-nutt-massdot-sagamore-bourne-tobin-mbta-sumnerAt 5:20, the Secretary also talks about how the "inner core" needs to invest in housing so we can invest more in connecting places like Worcester. I think the whole segment is worth listening to, as she directly links housing to transportation. DianaGiles Rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Mass. Investment in Communities that Build Around Commuter Rail Stations

2023-11-21 Thread Peter C. Sugar via Lincoln

Lis: Totally agree!

Peter C Sugar

On Tuesday, November 21, 2023, 6:08 PM, Lis Herbert
wrote:

Nowhere does it say that the train has to stop in Lincoln. We might not have a
sense for how the state plans to approach the MBTA shortfalls, but I think it's
a certainty that unless Lincoln demonstrates a commitment to meaningful density
around the station, we can bet against improvements in service and frequency
for Lincoln commuters. I hope we can all at least agree that improvements
aren't happening if we vote to avoid rezoning much of that area in favor of
car-centric development (that will, let's be honest, not happen) located
(according to Google maps) an 8 mile, 15 minute drive away.
On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 5:33 PM Peter Buchthal wrote:

While I am happy to see some recognition that our MBTA needs investment, I
would like to point out the magnitude and likelihood of the dollars we are
talking about. Regrettably, we are many, many years away from a properly
functioning and reliable MBTA and commuter rail in Lincoln.

According to the Boston Globe:
"The MBTA needs a gobsmacking $24.5 billion to repair and replace its decrepit
track, stations, trains, signals, and other assets, an agency analysis released
Thursday shows, providing the long-awaited tally of how broken the transit
system is."
"The next most expensive is the commuter rail system, at about $8 billion, with
the bulk of investment needed for stations, followed by the Green and Mattapan
lines — which need $4.7 billion."

List to the
article:https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/11/16/metro/cost-to-fix-mbta/

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 10:55 AM DJCP wrote:

After she was appointed permanent Transportation Secretary last week, Monica
Tibbits-Nutt directly stated on Radio Boston that the Commonwealth would invest
in communities that build around Commuter Rail stations.

At about 7:10 in the segment linked here, Tiziana specifically asks about HCA,
and at 8:50 the Secretary says Mass. will put the money where "the cities and
towns do what needs to be done":
https://www.wbur.org/radioboston/2023/11/13/monica-tibbits-nutt-massdot-sagamore-bourne-tobin-mbta-sumner
At 5:20, the Secretary also talks about how the "inner core" needs to invest in
housing so we can invest more in connecting places like Worcester.

I think the whole segment is worth listening to, as she directly links housing
to transportation.

DianaGiles Rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Mass. Investment in Communities that Build Around Commuter Rail Stations

2023-11-21 Thread V Saleme

Those of us who commuted into the city for work from here, have been
waiting for decades for improvements, frequency of service and reliability
to occur.

The waiting continues.

Vic

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 6:09 PM Lis Herbert  wrote:

> Nowhere does it say that the train has to stop in Lincoln. We might not
> have a sense for how the state plans to approach the MBTA shortfalls, but I
> think it's a certainty that unless Lincoln demonstrates a commitment to
> meaningful density around the station, we can bet against improvements in
> service and frequency for Lincoln commuters. I hope we can all at least
> agree that improvements aren't happening if we vote to avoid rezoning much
> of that area in favor of car-centric development (that will, let's be
> honest, not happen) located (according to Google maps) an 8 mile, 15 minute
> drive away.
>
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 5:33 PM Peter Buchthal 
> wrote:
>
>> While I am happy to see some recognition that our MBTA needs investment,
>> I would like to point out the magnitude  and likelihood of the dollars we
>> are talking about.  Regrettably, we are many, many years away from a
>> properly functioning and reliable MBTA and commuter rail in Lincoln.
>>
>>
>> According to the Boston Globe:
>>
>> "The MBTA needs a gobsmacking $24.5 billion to repair and replace its
>> decrepit track, stations, trains, signals, and other assets, an agency
>> analysis released Thursday shows, providing the long-awaited tally of how
>> broken the transit system is."
>>
>> "The next most expensive is the commuter rail system, at about $8
>> billion, with the bulk of investment needed for stations, followed by the
>> Green and Mattapan lines — which need $4.7 billion."
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> List to the article:
>> https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/11/16/metro/cost-to-fix-mbta/
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 10:55 AM DJCP  wrote:
>>
>>> After she was appointed permanent Transportation Secretary last week,
>>> Monica Tibbits-Nutt directly stated on Radio Boston that the Commonwealth
>>> would invest in communities that build around Commuter Rail stations.
>>>
>>> At about 7:10 in the segment linked here, Tiziana specifically asks
>>> about HCA, and at 8:50 the Secretary says Mass. will put the money where
>>> "the cities and towns do what needs to be done":
>>> https://www.wbur.org/radioboston/2023/11/13/monica-tibbits-nutt-massdot-sagamore-bourne-tobin-mbta-sumner
>>>
>>> At 5:20, the Secretary also talks about how the "inner core" needs to
>>> invest in housing so we can invest more in connecting places like
>>> Worcester.
>>>
>>> I think the whole segment is worth listening to, as she directly links
>>> housing to transportation.
>>>
>>> Diana
>>> Giles Rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Mass. Investment in Communities that Build Around Commuter Rail Stations

2023-11-21 Thread Lis Herbert

Nowhere does it say that the train has to stop in Lincoln. We might not
have a sense for how the state plans to approach the MBTA shortfalls, but I
think it's a certainty that unless Lincoln demonstrates a commitment to
meaningful density around the station, we can bet against improvements in
service and frequency for Lincoln commuters. I hope we can all at least
agree that improvements aren't happening if we vote to avoid rezoning much
of that area in favor of car-centric development (that will, let's be
honest, not happen) located (according to Google maps) an 8 mile, 15 minute
drive away.

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 5:33 PM Peter Buchthal  wrote:

> While I am happy to see some recognition that our MBTA needs investment,
> I would like to point out the magnitude  and likelihood of the dollars we
> are talking about.  Regrettably, we are many, many years away from a
> properly functioning and reliable MBTA and commuter rail in Lincoln.
>
>
> According to the Boston Globe:
>
> "The MBTA needs a gobsmacking $24.5 billion to repair and replace its
> decrepit track, stations, trains, signals, and other assets, an agency
> analysis released Thursday shows, providing the long-awaited tally of how
> broken the transit system is."
>
> "The next most expensive is the commuter rail system, at about $8 billion,
> with the bulk of investment needed for stations, followed by the Green and
> Mattapan lines — which need $4.7 billion."
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> List to the article:
> https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/11/16/metro/cost-to-fix-mbta/
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 10:55 AM DJCP  wrote:
>
>> After she was appointed permanent Transportation Secretary last week,
>> Monica Tibbits-Nutt directly stated on Radio Boston that the Commonwealth
>> would invest in communities that build around Commuter Rail stations.
>>
>> At about 7:10 in the segment linked here, Tiziana specifically asks about
>> HCA, and at 8:50 the Secretary says Mass. will put the money where "the
>> cities and towns do what needs to be done":
>> https://www.wbur.org/radioboston/2023/11/13/monica-tibbits-nutt-massdot-sagamore-bourne-tobin-mbta-sumner
>>
>> At 5:20, the Secretary also talks about how the "inner core" needs to
>> invest in housing so we can invest more in connecting places like
>> Worcester.
>>
>> I think the whole segment is worth listening to, as she directly links
>> housing to transportation.
>>
>> Diana
>> Giles Rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Mass. Investment in Communities that Build Around Commuter Rail Stations

2023-11-21 Thread DJCP

Gotta start somewhere!

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 5:33 PM Peter Buchthal  wrote:

> While I am happy to see some recognition that our MBTA needs investment,
> I would like to point out the magnitude  and likelihood of the dollars we
> are talking about.  Regrettably, we are many, many years away from a
> properly functioning and reliable MBTA and commuter rail in Lincoln.
>
>
> According to the Boston Globe:
>
> "The MBTA needs a gobsmacking $24.5 billion to repair and replace its
> decrepit track, stations, trains, signals, and other assets, an agency
> analysis released Thursday shows, providing the long-awaited tally of how
> broken the transit system is."
>
> "The next most expensive is the commuter rail system, at about $8 billion,
> with the bulk of investment needed for stations, followed by the Green and
> Mattapan lines — which need $4.7 billion."
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> List to the article:
> https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/11/16/metro/cost-to-fix-mbta/
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 10:55 AM DJCP  wrote:
>
>> After she was appointed permanent Transportation Secretary last week,
>> Monica Tibbits-Nutt directly stated on Radio Boston that the Commonwealth
>> would invest in communities that build around Commuter Rail stations.
>>
>> At about 7:10 in the segment linked here, Tiziana specifically asks about
>> HCA, and at 8:50 the Secretary says Mass. will put the money where "the
>> cities and towns do what needs to be done":
>> https://www.wbur.org/radioboston/2023/11/13/monica-tibbits-nutt-massdot-sagamore-bourne-tobin-mbta-sumner
>>
>> At 5:20, the Secretary also talks about how the "inner core" needs to
>> invest in housing so we can invest more in connecting places like
>> Worcester.
>>
>> I think the whole segment is worth listening to, as she directly links
>> housing to transportation.
>>
>> Diana
>> Giles Rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] How to discourage a woodpecker?

2023-11-21 Thread Jack

That’s what this guys says also - and check other YouTube videos:

https://youtu.be/nQ7YX1g7gr4
How to stop Woodpeckers from pecking your home
youtu.be

jfu...@comcast.net
617 835 3087 (C)
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> On Nov 21, 2023, at 10:39 AM, DJCP  wrote:
> 
> Shiny things help. Ribbon, cds. I even got some owl shaped foil hanging 
> things on Amazon and it seems to have worked. With the added benefit of 
> scaring off the birds that nested in our porch!
> Diana 
> Giles Rd 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 10:24 AM Sara Levine  > wrote:
>> Hi neighbors- 
>> 
>> I’m curious about your thoughts and wisdom on discouraging a woodpecker who 
>> is gleefully drilling holes in the side of our house.  
>> 
>> We have no obvious signs of ants or termites and the friendly pest control 
>> guy says we need to wait til Spring to even check or treat anyway?!  
>> 
>> Has anything worked for you to redirect the woodpeckers? 
>> 
>> Thanks! 
>> Sara 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] How to discourage a woodpecker?

2023-11-21 Thread June L Matthews

We put an extremely realistic statue of an owl on top of the lamppost outside 
my house.  (The first time I saw it I went running for my binoculars!).   Other 
neighbors have hung strips of aluminum foil.   That seems to have worked.

June

-Original Message-
From: Lincoln  On Behalf Of Sara Levine
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 10:23 AM
To: Lincoln Talk 
Subject: [LincolnTalk] How to discourage a woodpecker?

Hi neighbors- 

I’m curious about your thoughts and wisdom on discouraging a woodpecker who is 
gleefully drilling holes in the side of our house.  

We have no obvious signs of ants or termites and the friendly pest control guy 
says we need to wait til Spring to even check or treat anyway?!  

Has anything worked for you to redirect the woodpeckers? 

Thanks! 
Sara 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] How to discourage a woodpecker?

2023-11-21 Thread Magruder Donaldson

Try hanging a block of suet as a diversion

On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 at 10:40, DJCP  wrote:

> Shiny things help. Ribbon, cds. I even got some owl shaped foil hanging
> things on Amazon and it seems to have worked. With the added benefit of
> scaring off the birds that nested in our porch!
> Diana
> Giles Rd
>
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 10:24 AM Sara Levine  wrote:
>
>> Hi neighbors-
>>
>> I’m curious about your thoughts and wisdom on discouraging a woodpecker
>> who is gleefully drilling holes in the side of our house.
>>
>> We have no obvious signs of ants or termites and the friendly pest
>> control guy says we need to wait til Spring to even check or treat
>> anyway?!
>>
>> Has anything worked for you to redirect the woodpeckers?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Sara
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Re: [LincolnTalk] HCAWG meeting November 21, 8:00 am.

2023-11-21 Thread Bijoy Misra

I thought the person (Frank?) presented very well.  The spirit of the law
could be station contiguity..
People have spoken about train irregularity and the projected traffic.
Hence the Lincoln Center
development is an infrastructure problem where heavy future tax is a
necessity.  I understand
the Lincoln station development would be considered as an independent vote
with all the
accessory information registered properly.  I understand that the E option
is designed to comply
with the requirements of HCA and avoids Lincoln station.  I thought the
engineers have done
brilliant work in distributing housing, maintaining the character of the
town and adding housing
to the system without causing a traffic bottleneck.

I had commented last night on the meaningless traffic study posted at the
town.  Nobody
has explained.  It appears to me that the traffic study was designed in
line of Oriole's Landing
where egress was a problem because of the highway..  Lincoln station
traffic study would
need a projection of congestion and time delay.  ,

Best regards,
Bijoy Misra

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 11:32 AM  wrote:

> I attended the HCA working group meeting on Zoom this morning.  A major
> item on the agenda was the presentation and discussion of Option E prepared
> by the Lincoln Residents for Housing Alternatives.
>
> The individual who presented E declared that of all the options prepared
> thus far, it would have the “minimal impact on the town of Lincoln. “  I
> would add that it also would have the minimal impact on the housing
> problem.
>
> When a member of the working group questioned whether Option E was in the
> spirit of the  Housing Choice Act, a proponent responded, “The spirit of
> the law has no meaning if you think about it profoundly.”  I disagree. In
> this case, the spirit of the law can be found in the problem we are being
> asked to help solve and the empathy and sense of  community we find to do
> so.  As we all know, just because you can’t count something does not mean
> it does not exist or have meaning.
>
> Barbara Slayter
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Mass. Investment in Communities that Build Around Commuter Rail Stations

2023-11-21 Thread Peter Buchthal

While I am happy to see some recognition that our MBTA needs investment,  I
would like to point out the magnitude  and likelihood of the dollars we are
talking about.  Regrettably, we are many, many years away from a properly
functioning and reliable MBTA and commuter rail in Lincoln.


According to the Boston Globe:

"The MBTA needs a gobsmacking $24.5 billion to repair and replace its
decrepit track, stations, trains, signals, and other assets, an agency
analysis released Thursday shows, providing the long-awaited tally of how
broken the transit system is."

"The next most expensive is the commuter rail system, at about $8 billion,
with the bulk of investment needed for stations, followed by the Green and
Mattapan lines — which need $4.7 billion."

[image: image.png]

List to the article:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/11/16/metro/cost-to-fix-mbta/


On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 10:55 AM DJCP  wrote:

> After she was appointed permanent Transportation Secretary last week,
> Monica Tibbits-Nutt directly stated on Radio Boston that the Commonwealth
> would invest in communities that build around Commuter Rail stations.
>
> At about 7:10 in the segment linked here, Tiziana specifically asks about
> HCA, and at 8:50 the Secretary says Mass. will put the money where "the
> cities and towns do what needs to be done":
> https://www.wbur.org/radioboston/2023/11/13/monica-tibbits-nutt-massdot-sagamore-bourne-tobin-mbta-sumner
>
> At 5:20, the Secretary also talks about how the "inner core" needs to
> invest in housing so we can invest more in connecting places like
> Worcester.
>
> I think the whole segment is worth listening to, as she directly links
> housing to transportation.
>
> Diana
> Giles Rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] How to discourage a woodpecker?

2023-11-21 Thread Anne Warner

We have put L brackets up in the side of our house and hung blank (shiny!) CDs 
from them using wire so that they swing in the wind. Works like a charm. 

- Sent from iPhone. Typed by thumb. Excuse misspellings! 

> On Nov 21, 2023, at 10:24 AM, Sara Levine  wrote:
> 
> Hi neighbors- 
> 
> I’m curious about your thoughts and wisdom on discouraging a woodpecker who 
> is gleefully drilling holes in the side of our house.  
> 
> We have no obvious signs of ants or termites and the friendly pest control 
> guy says we need to wait til Spring to even check or treat anyway?!  
> 
> Has anything worked for you to redirect the woodpeckers? 
> 
> Thanks! 
> Sara 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Radical change in Lincoln

2023-11-21 Thread Michael Dembowski

Andy-
THANK YOU - I wholly applaud your email and thoughts here as many
Lincolnites would welcome such changes.
Town Meeting is archaic to the point of being exclusionary and
disenfranchising - as many point out, it is not in step with modern life.
In our household, work and family commitments on Town Meeting Days prevent
participation by necessity.
A refresh on the format would reinvigorate the forum, allowing for the
possibility of much broader participation.
Imagine no postings, discussion or suggestion that decisions were made by
the select few who could be physically present for such a length of time.

This can't be the first time these ideas have been raised.
What has prevented action in the past and how can any proposed suggestions
gain traction and then be implemented?

Michael Dembowski
Conant Road

On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 11:57 PM Andy Wang  wrote:

>
> Unfortunately, there are specific rules that govern an Open Town Meeting
> like Lincoln that do not allow for matters that are decided at Town Meeting
> to be replaced by a traditional ballot vote. Given that the March 2024
> meeting will cover two "Hot Topic" Issues, the bonding for the Community
> Center and the HCA rezoning, this one I assume is going to be a doozy.  And
> that's on top of all the other typical yearly business of the town
> (presentations, budget, etc).
>
> I believe there is a possible mechanism to be more inclusive, if the Town
> and Moderator decide to:
>
> I propose that we hold Town Meeting in *two* *sessions*.
>
> *Session A: **Presentations, Debate & Amendments only. * Views are
> presented, debate to be had, and any amendments are to be discussed and
> voted on.  The meeting would be live, streamed, & recorded.  The recording
> would be made available for download after the meeting so people who were
> not able to attend could catch up on all of the debate, or just educate
> themselves on the issues that are of import to them. The moderator could
> then simply adjourn the meeting without vote (on the actual question).
> They have this power in general for cases when meetings run late and can
> re-convene at a later date, provided that date is before the ballot vote.
>
> *Caveats:*
> - Anyone attending on-line would NOT be able to pose questions / make
> statements, this violates the rules of Town Meeting, you must be present to
> be recognized
> - Anyone not attending in person would not be able to vote on any
> amendments
> - All questions would need to be called, which closes debate
>
> *Session B: Voting. * This would occur on the last Saturday before the
> last Monday in March as required by the town by-laws.  Assuming people have
> been to Session A or downloaded and reviewed the material that is relevant
> to them, we now have a population of well-informed voters who can come in
> and just knock out the votes in succession (the question would have already
> "been called" in Session A, which closes further debate).  This format
> would be much easier for parents to allow a smaller fixed period of time to
> vote on issues and anyone else with a busy schedule.
>
> The actual text of the by-law timing is here:
>
> *"The Annual Town Meeting shall be held on the Saturday before the last
> Monday in March in each year at 9:30 A.M. for the transaction of all
> business except that the election of officers and the determination of such
> matters as by law are required to be elected or determined by ballot shall
> take place on the last Monday in March, when the polls shall be open from
> 7:30 A.M. until 7:00 P.M., or to such later time up to 8:00 P.M. as the
> Moderator may determine, provided, however, that whenever the date for the
> Annual Town Meeting, as hereby established, falls on the Saturday before
> Easter Sunday, the Annual Town Meeting shall be held on the preceding
> Saturday, although the Election and ballot questions hereinabove described
> shall still be held on the last Monday in March."*
>
> Not covered in this:
> - Military / Reserve duty votes are still not able to be counted
> - Foreign nationals that live in town, and even those that live in town
> and own property that would be impacted can not vote
> - Proxy voting is not allowed
>
> Unfortunately, those would require many more changes, but I believe we can
> do a two session Town Meeting under current guidelines.
>
> Of course, Town Council would have to review, but I believe this is in the
> realm of the possible. NH has specific rules that allow for this, but I do
> not believe that there are rules that preclude it in MA. And if there are
> rules, I would propose that we change the by-laws to support this
> structure.  I believe this would make town meeting more accessible to a
> wider range of town people and more representative of the desires of the
> Town.
>
> Sorry...that ended up longer than I intended.  I'll save my musing about
> electronic voting and other efficiencies for another opportunity
>
> - Andy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

[LincolnTalk] sheet rock

2023-11-21 Thread Belinda Gingrich

I just repaired some holes left by a plumber and have most of a sheet of 
sheetrock left if anyone wants it. It’s 8’ long and about 3’ at the widest.
Belinda

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question Unanswered re: Housing Choice

2023-11-21 Thread Margaret Olson

My apologies, I mis-read the question.
You will see a draft of the zoning language at the Planning Board's zoning
amendment public hearings, which I expect will start in January (but are
not yet in the calendar).

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 1:59 PM Margaret Olson 
wrote:

> Yes, in March. In March it is the zoning you will be voting on.
> On December 2nd you are voting on the policy (option C, D1, D2, E, etc)
> that the zoning will implement.
>
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 1:46 PM RAandBOB  wrote:
>
>> When will the Town see the actual wording for the proposed bylaw for HCA
>> developments?
>>
>> Ruth Ann
>> (She, her, hers)
>>
>> On Nov 21, 2023, at 1:34 PM, Margaret Olson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Assuming we are going to comply, the HCA zoning must be in place by
>> December 2024. After the TM vote we need final approval from the state
>> EOHLC and from the Attorney General. The March TM deadline gives us time
>> for a special TM if we either have a problem with EOHLC or if the HCA
>> zoning amendment fails. The HCA proposals are submitted to the state for
>> preliminary approval, but this preliminary step does not include the final
>> zoning by-law wording. It is a "courtesy review" of the basic approach -
>> setbacks, heights, zones, etc. It does not include all the incorporated
>> regulations applicable to residential buildings in Lincoln, let alone the
>> restrictions we were discussing at last night's meeting to ensure that the
>> modeled density matches what can be legally built.
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 12:57 PM dgloew--- via Lincoln <
>> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Regarding the Housing choice decision, I submitted the same question
>>> twice to the HCAWG.  It was apparently sent to J.Glass, T. Higgins, J.
>>> Hutchinson and K. Bodner.  To date, the only answer I received was the
>>> “my feedback will be shared”.
>>> As an almost 50 year resident of Lincoln, I am disappointed and dismayed
>>> that my question has been disregarded.
>>>
>>> The question I posed was:
>>>
>>>  I recall at some point hearing that a decision must be made by the
>>> town by December 2024.  Is that the case, and, if so, why do we seem to be
>>> under pressure to make a decision now?
>>>
>>> This seems to me to be a factual question.  Prior to voting,I am hoping
>>> to receive an answer with no bias or agenda - just a straight forward
>>> answer.
>>>
>>> Thanks to all.
>>>
>>> Davida Loewenstein
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question Unanswered re: Housing Choice

2023-11-21 Thread Margaret Olson

Yes, in March. In March it is the zoning you will be voting on.
On December 2nd you are voting on the policy (option C, D1, D2, E, etc)
that the zoning will implement.

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 1:46 PM RAandBOB  wrote:

> When will the Town see the actual wording for the proposed bylaw for HCA
> developments?
>
> Ruth Ann
> (She, her, hers)
>
> On Nov 21, 2023, at 1:34 PM, Margaret Olson  wrote:
>
> 
> Assuming we are going to comply, the HCA zoning must be in place by
> December 2024. After the TM vote we need final approval from the state
> EOHLC and from the Attorney General. The March TM deadline gives us time
> for a special TM if we either have a problem with EOHLC or if the HCA
> zoning amendment fails. The HCA proposals are submitted to the state for
> preliminary approval, but this preliminary step does not include the final
> zoning by-law wording. It is a "courtesy review" of the basic approach -
> setbacks, heights, zones, etc. It does not include all the incorporated
> regulations applicable to residential buildings in Lincoln, let alone the
> restrictions we were discussing at last night's meeting to ensure that the
> modeled density matches what can be legally built.
>
> Margaret
>
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 12:57 PM dgloew--- via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>> Regarding the Housing choice decision, I submitted the same question
>> twice to the HCAWG.  It was apparently sent to J.Glass, T. Higgins, J.
>> Hutchinson and K. Bodner.  To date, the only answer I received was the
>> “my feedback will be shared”.
>> As an almost 50 year resident of Lincoln, I am disappointed and dismayed
>> that my question has been disregarded.
>>
>> The question I posed was:
>>
>>  I recall at some point hearing that a decision must be made by the town
>> by December 2024.  Is that the case, and, if so, why do we seem to be under
>> pressure to make a decision now?
>>
>> This seems to me to be a factual question.  Prior to voting,I am hoping
>> to receive an answer with no bias or agenda - just a straight forward
>> answer.
>>
>> Thanks to all.
>>
>> Davida Loewenstein
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question Unanswered re: Housing Choice

2023-11-21 Thread RAandBOB

When will the Town see the actual wording for the proposed bylaw for HCA developments?Ruth Ann(She, her, hers)On Nov 21, 2023, at 1:34 PM, Margaret Olson wrote:Assuming we are going to comply, the HCA zoning must be in place by December 2024. After the TM vote we need final approval from the state EOHLC and from the Attorney General. The March TM deadline gives us time for a special TM if we either have a problem with EOHLC or if the HCA zoning amendment fails. The HCA proposals are submitted to the state for preliminary approval, but this preliminary step does not include the final zoning by-law wording. It is a "courtesy review" of the basic approach - setbacks, heights, zones, etc. It does not include all the incorporated regulations applicable to residential buildings in Lincoln, let alone the restrictions we were discussing at last night's meeting to ensure that the modeled density matches what can be legally built.MargaretOn Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 12:57 PM dgloew--- via Lincoln wrote:

Regarding the Housing choice decision, I submitted the same question twice to the HCAWG. It was apparently sent to J.Glass, T. Higgins, J. Hutchinson and K. Bodner. To date, the only answer I received was the “my feedback will be shared”.As an almost 50 year resident of Lincoln, I am disappointed and dismayed that my question has been disregarded.The question I posed was: I recall at some point hearing that a decision must be made by the town by December 2024. Is that the case, and, if so, why do we seem to be under pressure to make a decision now?This seems to me to be a factual question. Prior to voting,I am hoping to receive an answer with no bias or agenda - just a straight forward answer.Thanks to all.Davida Loewenstein

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Re: [LincolnTalk] HCAWG meeting November 21, 8:00 am.

2023-11-21 Thread Claire Mount

you are a good critical thinker. barbara   I agree   claire mount

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 11:32 AM  wrote:

> I attended the HCA working group meeting on Zoom this morning.  A major
> item on the agenda was the presentation and discussion of Option E prepared
> by the Lincoln Residents for Housing Alternatives.
>
> The individual who presented E declared that of all the options prepared
> thus far, it would have the “minimal impact on the town of Lincoln. “  I
> would add that it also would have the minimal impact on the housing
> problem.
>
> When a member of the working group questioned whether Option E was in the
> spirit of the  Housing Choice Act, a proponent responded, “The spirit of
> the law has no meaning if you think about it profoundly.”  I disagree. In
> this case, the spirit of the law can be found in the problem we are being
> asked to help solve and the empathy and sense of  community we find to do
> so.  As we all know, just because you can’t count something does not mean
> it does not exist or have meaning.
>
> Barbara Slayter
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question Unanswered re: Housing Choice

2023-11-21 Thread Margaret Olson

Assuming we are going to comply, the HCA zoning must be in place by
December 2024. After the TM vote we need final approval from the state
EOHLC and from the Attorney General. The March TM deadline gives us time
for a special TM if we either have a problem with EOHLC or if the HCA
zoning amendment fails. The HCA proposals are submitted to the state for
preliminary approval, but this preliminary step does not include the final
zoning by-law wording. It is a "courtesy review" of the basic approach -
setbacks, heights, zones, etc. It does not include all the incorporated
regulations applicable to residential buildings in Lincoln, let alone the
restrictions we were discussing at last night's meeting to ensure that the
modeled density matches what can be legally built.

Margaret

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 12:57 PM dgloew--- via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> Regarding the Housing choice decision, I submitted the same question twice
> to the HCAWG.  It was apparently sent to J.Glass, T. Higgins, J. Hutchinson
> and K. Bodner.  To date, the only answer I received was the “my feedback
> will be shared”.
> As an almost 50 year resident of Lincoln, I am disappointed and dismayed
> that my question has been disregarded.
>
> The question I posed was:
>
>  I recall at some point hearing that a decision must be made by the town
> by December 2024.  Is that the case, and, if so, why do we seem to be under
> pressure to make a decision now?
>
> This seems to me to be a factual question.  Prior to voting,I am hoping to
> receive an answer with no bias or agenda - just a straight forward answer.
>
> Thanks to all.
>
> Davida Loewenstein
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[LincolnTalk] Question Unanswered re: Housing Choice

2023-11-21 Thread Karla Gravis

It has to be voted at a town meeting, but not necessarily at the March 2024
Town Meeting.

A subsequent town meeting could be called at a later point in 2024, to
still meet the December 31st, 2024 deadline for Lincoln.



On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 1:04 PM paul.shorb at gmail.com

--- via Lincoln https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln>> wrote:

Davida -
Someone else here may be able to correct me, but I believe the answer is
that we need to vote at a Town Meeting, so this would be finally voted on
at the March 2024 Town Meeting, and the Special Town Meeting in December
2023 is to help decide what to present for a final up-or-down vote at that
2024 Town Meeting.
- Paul Shorb

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 12:57 PM dgloew--- via Lincoln https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln>>
wrote:

>* Regarding the Housing choice decision, I submitted the same question twice
*>* to the HCAWG.  It was apparently sent to J.Glass, T. Higgins, J. Hutchinson
*>* and K. Bodner.  To date, the only answer I received was the “my feedback
*>* will be shared”.
*>* As an almost 50 year resident of Lincoln, I am disappointed and dismayed
*>* that my question has been disregarded.
*>>* The question I posed was:
*>>*  I recall at some point hearing that a decision must be made by the town
*>* by December 2024.  Is that the case, and, if so, why do we seem to be under
*>* pressure to make a decision now?
*>>* This seems to me to be a factual question.  Prior to voting,I am hoping to
*>* receive an answer with no bias or agenda - just a straight forward answer.
*>>* Thanks to all.
*>>* Davida Loewenstein
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question Unanswered re: Housing Choice

2023-11-21 Thread Paul Shorb

Davida -
Someone else here may be able to correct me, but I believe the answer is
that we need to vote at a Town Meeting, so this would be finally voted on
at the March 2024 Town Meeting, and the Special Town Meeting in December
2023 is to help decide what to present for a final up-or-down vote at that
2024 Town Meeting.
- Paul Shorb

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 12:57 PM dgloew--- via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> Regarding the Housing choice decision, I submitted the same question twice
> to the HCAWG.  It was apparently sent to J.Glass, T. Higgins, J. Hutchinson
> and K. Bodner.  To date, the only answer I received was the “my feedback
> will be shared”.
> As an almost 50 year resident of Lincoln, I am disappointed and dismayed
> that my question has been disregarded.
>
> The question I posed was:
>
>  I recall at some point hearing that a decision must be made by the town
> by December 2024.  Is that the case, and, if so, why do we seem to be under
> pressure to make a decision now?
>
> This seems to me to be a factual question.  Prior to voting,I am hoping to
> receive an answer with no bias or agenda - just a straight forward answer.
>
> Thanks to all.
>
> Davida Loewenstein
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] How to discourage a woodpecker?

2023-11-21 Thread Taylor, Gary

We had a woodpecker problem and solved it by suspending the sort of cheap 
aluminum pie plates that you can buy in the grocery store from the roof 
overhangs so that in the wind they spun and banged against the side of the 
house.  Five years later, they have not returned.

Gary Taylor
Beaver Pond Road

From: Lincoln  on behalf of DJCP 

Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 10:39 AM
To: Sara Levine 
Cc: Lincoln Talk 
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] How to discourage a woodpecker?

External Email from: lincoln-boun...@lincolntalk.org
Shiny things help. Ribbon, cds. I even got some owl shaped foil hanging things 
on Amazon and it seems to have worked. With the added benefit of scaring off 
the birds that nested in our porch!
Diana
Giles Rd

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 10:24 AM Sara Levine 
mailto:saraklev...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi neighbors-

I’m curious about your thoughts and wisdom on discouraging a woodpecker who is 
gleefully drilling holes in the side of our house.

We have no obvious signs of ants or termites and the friendly pest control guy 
says we need to wait til Spring to even check or treat anyway?!

Has anything worked for you to redirect the woodpeckers?

Thanks!
Sara
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[LincolnTalk] Question Unanswered re: Housing Choice

2023-11-21 Thread dgloew--- via Lincoln

Regarding the Housing choice decision, I submitted the same question twice to 
the HCAWG.  It was apparently sent to J.Glass, T. Higgins, J. Hutchinson and K. 
Bodner.  To date, the only answer I received was the “my feedback will be 
shared”.As an almost 50 year resident of Lincoln, I am disappointed and 
dismayed that my question has been disregarded.
The question I posed was: 
 I recall at some point hearing that a decision must be made by the town by 
December 2024.  Is that the case, and, if so, why do we seem to be under 
pressure to make a decision now?
This seems to me to be a factual question.  Prior to voting,I am hoping to 
receive an answer with no bias or agenda - just a straight forward answer.
Thanks to all.
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[LincolnTalk] HCAWG meeting November 21, 8:00 am.

2023-11-21 Thread bslayter

I attended the HCA working group meeting on Zoom this morning.  A major item
on the agenda was the presentation and discussion of Option E prepared by
the Lincoln Residents for Housing Alternatives.

The individual who presented E declared that of all the options prepared
thus far, it would have the "minimal impact on the town of Lincoln. "  I
would add that it also would have the minimal impact on the housing problem.


When a member of the working group questioned whether Option E was in the
spirit of the  Housing Choice Act, a proponent responded, "The spirit of the
law has no meaning if you think about it profoundly."  I disagree. In this
case, the spirit of the law can be found in the problem we are being asked
to help solve and the empathy and sense of  community we find to do so.  As
we all know, just because you can't count something does not mean it does
not exist or have meaning. 

Barbara Slayter

 

 

 

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[LincolnTalk] Mass. Investment in Communities that Build Around Commuter Rail Stations

2023-11-21 Thread DJCP

After she was appointed permanent Transportation Secretary last week,
Monica Tibbits-Nutt directly stated on Radio Boston that the Commonwealth
would invest in communities that build around Commuter Rail stations.

At about 7:10 in the segment linked here, Tiziana specifically asks about
HCA, and at 8:50 the Secretary says Mass. will put the money where "the
cities and towns do what needs to be done":
https://www.wbur.org/radioboston/2023/11/13/monica-tibbits-nutt-massdot-sagamore-bourne-tobin-mbta-sumner

At 5:20, the Secretary also talks about how the "inner core" needs to
invest in housing so we can invest more in connecting places like
Worcester.

I think the whole segment is worth listening to, as she directly links
housing to transportation.

Diana
Giles Rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] How to discourage a woodpecker?

2023-11-21 Thread DJCP

Shiny things help. Ribbon, cds. I even got some owl shaped foil hanging
things on Amazon and it seems to have worked. With the added benefit of
scaring off the birds that nested in our porch!
Diana
Giles Rd

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 10:24 AM Sara Levine  wrote:

> Hi neighbors-
>
> I’m curious about your thoughts and wisdom on discouraging a woodpecker
> who is gleefully drilling holes in the side of our house.
>
> We have no obvious signs of ants or termites and the friendly pest control
> guy says we need to wait til Spring to even check or treat anyway?!
>
> Has anything worked for you to redirect the woodpeckers?
>
> Thanks!
> Sara
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Radical change in Lincoln

2023-11-21 Thread Margo Fisher-Martin

Hi,

I think Andy’s idea is a good one. It’s not a democratic process now - when
NOT everyone can attend and therefore not everyone can vote. Is ballot
voting not democratic? Our antiquated town meeting process does not work
for many people- for many reasons.
For example, at last year’s meeting at this time, both my husband and I had
COVID, ( we were among many others who were sick) so we couldn’t attend,
and many people we know left BEFORE the vote, since they could not keep
their eyes open  - after sitting through MANY hours of a dragged out
process. It got extremely late. People with young children had to leave
before the vote…. and so on.
As for the town officials, I DO appreciate the many hours they put in, and
I know it’s challenging, but they also control all of the meetings and
therefore pretty much have the “floor.” The suggested meeting process would
offer more people the opportunity to vote.

Sincerely,

Margo Fisher-Martin







On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 6:52 PM Adam M Hogue  wrote:

> Well it’s not true inclusion since I have military training and can’t
> attend town meeting.  But hey who cares right. Don’t change how we have
> done things for over 300 years.  So the few people that don’t have
> commitments on a Saturday morning can attend and decide for all of us.
>
> *Adam M Hogue*
> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184 <(978)%20828-6184>*
>
> On Nov 20, 2023, at 6:35 PM, ٍSarah Postlethwait  wrote:
>
> 
>
> As far as I understand it, only measures that involve funding end up on a
> paper ballot. Even the school had to pass town meeting before it could be
> sent to a paper ballot.
>
> But I could be wrong, and I personally would love if town meeting could by
> a hybrid meeting for debate, followed by a formal ballot vote the following
> Tuesday.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 5:51 PM Margo Fisher-Martin <
> margo.fisher.mar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I also agree that this should be a ballot item. If we can vote for a new
>> school by ballot, why can’t we use the same process to vote for other
>> extremely important town changes - ones that will impact our everyday
>> living here and our taxes?
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> Margo Fisher-Martin
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 5:22 PM ٍSarah Postlethwait 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A town wide secret ballot would be a great idea to make sure a wider
>>> audience gets their voice represented.
>>>
>>> I also encourage anyone not familiar with the proposed rezoning options
>>> to visit this website to gain a better understanding of the magnitude of
>>> the proposed changes and Lincoln’s uniquely impacted position.
>>>
>>> LincolnHCA.org
>>>
>>>
>>> Sarah Postlethwait
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 4:17 PM Tom Kennedy 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Part of the discussion at last weeks planning board meeting is
 noteworthy, but has not been mentioned here.
 There was substantial discussion, maybe even consensus, on a none of
 the above option. Even a planning board member and some of the “working
 group“ were in favor.
 Yet when the vote came up for a warrant article, that was not mentioned.
 Another part of the discussion was the fact that town meeting
 determination is “skewed“ by attendance and timing. I have observed this to
 be absolutely true.
 It is my belief that something which will so radically transform our
 community should be voted on in some form by secret ballot. It is also my
 belief that that will never happen.
 Tom Kennedy
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[LincolnTalk] How to discourage a woodpecker?

2023-11-21 Thread Sara Levine

Hi neighbors- 

I’m curious about your thoughts and wisdom on discouraging a woodpecker who is 
gleefully drilling holes in the side of our house.  

We have no obvious signs of ants or termites and the friendly pest control guy 
says we need to wait til Spring to even check or treat anyway?!  

Has anything worked for you to redirect the woodpeckers? 

Thanks! 
Sara 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Radical change in Lincoln

2023-11-21 Thread Caitlin Hogue

Andy's idea is a good one. Who gets to make that decision?

Katy

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 7:02 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> Multiple Town Meetings were not uncommon many years ago.
> We could also have different topics in different meetings so as to ensure
> maximum participation in debate prior to voting.
> I have often found that the vote I thought I was going to cast changed
> when I listened to my neighbors varied questions and points of view.
>
> We are a smart bunch, and we can teach each other, we can learn…if we go
> with an open mind.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 20, 2023, at 11:56 PM, Andy Wang  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Unfortunately, there are specific rules that govern an Open Town Meeting
> like Lincoln that do not allow for matters that are decided at Town Meeting
> to be replaced by a traditional ballot vote. Given that the March 2024
> meeting will cover two "Hot Topic" Issues, the bonding for the Community
> Center and the HCA rezoning, this one I assume is going to be a doozy.  And
> that's on top of all the other typical yearly business of the town
> (presentations, budget, etc).
>
> I believe there is a possible mechanism to be more inclusive, if the Town
> and Moderator decide to:
>
> I propose that we hold Town Meeting in *two* *sessions*.
>
> *Session A: **Presentations, Debate & Amendments only. * Views are
> presented, debate to be had, and any amendments are to be discussed and
> voted on.  The meeting would be live, streamed, & recorded.  The recording
> would be made available for download after the meeting so people who were
> not able to attend could catch up on all of the debate, or just educate
> themselves on the issues that are of import to them. The moderator could
> then simply adjourn the meeting without vote (on the actual question).
> They have this power in general for cases when meetings run late and can
> re-convene at a later date, provided that date is before the ballot vote.
>
> *Caveats:*
> - Anyone attending on-line would NOT be able to pose questions / make
> statements, this violates the rules of Town Meeting, you must be present to
> be recognized
> - Anyone not attending in person would not be able to vote on any
> amendments
> - All questions would need to be called, which closes debate
>
> *Session B: Voting. * This would occur on the last Saturday before the
> last Monday in March as required by the town by-laws.  Assuming people have
> been to Session A or downloaded and reviewed the material that is relevant
> to them, we now have a population of well-informed voters who can come in
> and just knock out the votes in succession (the question would have already
> "been called" in Session A, which closes further debate).  This format
> would be much easier for parents to allow a smaller fixed period of time to
> vote on issues and anyone else with a busy schedule.
>
> The actual text of the by-law timing is here:
>
> *"The Annual Town Meeting shall be held on the Saturday before the last
> Monday in March in each year at 9:30 A.M. for the transaction of all
> business except that the election of officers and the determination of such
> matters as by law are required to be elected or determined by ballot shall
> take place on the last Monday in March, when the polls shall be open from
> 7:30 A.M. until 7:00 P.M., or to such later time up to 8:00 P.M. as the
> Moderator may determine, provided, however, that whenever the date for the
> Annual Town Meeting, as hereby established, falls on the Saturday before
> Easter Sunday, the Annual Town Meeting shall be held on the preceding
> Saturday, although the Election and ballot questions hereinabove described
> shall still be held on the last Monday in March."*
>
> Not covered in this:
> - Military / Reserve duty votes are still not able to be counted
> - Foreign nationals that live in town, and even those that live in town
> and own property that would be impacted can not vote
> - Proxy voting is not allowed
>
> Unfortunately, those would require many more changes, but I believe we can
> do a two session Town Meeting under current guidelines.
>
> Of course, Town Council would have to review, but I believe this is in the
> realm of the possible. NH has specific rules that allow for this, but I do
> not believe that there are rules that preclude it in MA. And if there are
> rules, I would propose that we change the by-laws to support this
> structure.  I believe this would make town meeting more accessible to a
> wider range of town people and more representative of the desires of the
> Town.
>
> Sorry...that ended up longer than I intended.  I'll save my musing about
> electronic voting and other efficiencies for another opportunity
>
> - Andy
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> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 9:07 PM Caitlin Hogue 
> wrote:
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>> Also, I apologize for writing students instead of kids in a sentence
>> below — my work brain was apparently still functioning!
>>
>> Katy
>>
>> On Mon, Nov

[LincolnTalk] Town Meeting

2023-11-21 Thread Melody Elliott

Hello all.  Living on Codman Rd as I do, this issue concerns me greatly.
 But I will be working on Saturday and unable to attend the meeting.  I'm
afraid that the concerns of those most impacted will be overwhelmed by the
much larger number of Lincoln residents who may not be as directly involved.

Melody Elliott
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[LincolnTalk] Special Town Meeting Child Care

2023-11-21 Thread Elder, Peggy

TOWN OF LINCOLN SPECIAL TOWN MEETING - December 2, 2023
Childcare Program - Provided by LEAP (Lincoln Extended Activity Program)
8:30AM - End of Meeting
AGES 5+
SNACK AND A PIZZA LUNCH WILL BE PROVIDED
PLEASE SIGN UP BELOW ASAP - SIGN UP EACH CHILD SEPARATELY!
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$40 per Child. Please pay by check when you arrive. Thank you!

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the Select Board
And Town Administrator
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Radical change in Lincoln

2023-11-21 Thread Sara Mattes

Multiple Town Meetings were not uncommon many years ago.We could also have different topics in different meetings so as to ensure maximum participation in debate prior to voting.I have often found that the vote I thought I was going to cast changed when I listened to my neighbors varied questions and points of view.We are a smart bunch, and we can teach each other, we can learn…if we go with an open mind.Sent from my iPadOn Nov 20, 2023, at 11:56 PM, Andy Wang  wrote:Unfortunately, there are specific rules that govern an Open Town Meeting like Lincoln that do not allow for matters that are decided at Town Meeting to be replaced by a traditional ballot vote. Given that the March 2024 meeting will cover two "Hot Topic" Issues, the bonding for the Community Center and the HCA rezoning, this one I assume is going to be a doozy.  And that's on top of all the other typical yearly business of the town (presentations, budget, etc).I believe there is a possible mechanism to be more inclusive, if the Town and Moderator decide to:I propose that we hold Town Meeting in two sessions. Session A: Presentations, Debate & Amendments only.  Views are presented, debate to be had, and any amendments are to be discussed and voted on.  The meeting would be live, streamed, & recorded.  The recording would be made available for download after the meeting so people who were not able to attend could catch up on all of the debate, or just educate themselves on the issues that are of import to them. The moderator could then simply adjourn the meeting without vote (on the actual question).  They have this power in general for cases when meetings run late and can re-convene at a later date, provided that date is before the ballot vote.Caveats: - Anyone attending on-line would NOT be able to pose questions / make statements, this violates the rules of Town Meeting, you must be present to be recognized - Anyone not attending in person would not be able to vote on any amendments- All questions would need to be called, which closes debateSession B: Voting.  This would occur on the last Saturday before the last Monday in March as required by the town by-laws.  Assuming people have been to Session A or downloaded and reviewed the material that is relevant to them, we now have a population of well-informed voters who can come in and just knock out the votes in succession (the question would have already "been called" in Session A, which closes further debate).  This format would be much easier for parents to allow a smaller fixed period of time to vote on issues and anyone else with a busy schedule.The actual text of the by-law timing is here:"The Annual Town Meeting shall be held on the Saturday before the last Monday in March in each
year at 9:30 A.M. for the transaction of all business except that the election of officers and the
determination of such matters as by law are required to be elected or determined by ballot shall take
place on the last Monday in March, when the polls shall be open from 7:30 A.M. until 7:00 P.M., or
to such later time up to 8:00 P.M. as the Moderator may determine, provided, however, that whenever
the date for the Annual Town Meeting, as hereby established, falls on the Saturday before Easter
Sunday, the Annual Town Meeting shall be held on the preceding Saturday, although the Election and
ballot questions hereinabove described shall still be held on the last Monday in March."Not covered in this:- Military / Reserve duty votes are still not able to be counted- Foreign nationals that live in town, and even those that live in town and own property that would be impacted can not vote- Proxy voting is not allowedUnfortunately, those would require many more changes, but I believe we can do a two session Town Meeting under current guidelines.  Of course, Town Council would have to review, but I believe this is in the realm of the possible. NH has specific rules that allow for this, but I do not believe that there are rules that preclude it in MA. And if there are rules, I would propose that we change the by-laws to support this structure.  I believe this would make town meeting more accessible to a wider range of town people and more representative of the desires of the Town.Sorry...that ended up longer than I intended.  I'll save my musing about electronic voting and other efficiencies for another opportunity- AndyOn Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 9:07 PM Caitlin Hogue  wrote:Also, I apologize for writing students instead of kids in a sentence below — my work brain was apparently still functioning!KatyOn Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 7:49 PM Caitlin Hogue  wrote:Babysitting has been offered recently.Respectfully, however, it’s not something that all parents can utilize. Not all kids will be comfortable in a large group babysitting setting where they don’t know the adults/babysitters. It’s not a great setting for babies/toddlers who are napping (if they even take babies — I think

Re: [LincolnTalk] Radical change in Lincoln

2023-11-21 Thread Margaret Olson

The other possibility is switching to representative town meeting, with one
representative for every 400 voters ( the minimum precinct size). It would
still be a subset of voters, but at least an elected subset.

Margaret
On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 11:56 PM Andy Wang  wrote:

>
> Unfortunately, there are specific rules that govern an Open Town Meeting
> like Lincoln that do not allow for matters that are decided at Town Meeting
> to be replaced by a traditional ballot vote. Given that the March 2024
> meeting will cover two "Hot Topic" Issues, the bonding for the Community
> Center and the HCA rezoning, this one I assume is going to be a doozy.  And
> that's on top of all the other typical yearly business of the town
> (presentations, budget, etc).
>
> I believe there is a possible mechanism to be more inclusive, if the Town
> and Moderator decide to:
>
> I propose that we hold Town Meeting in *two* *sessions*.
>
> *Session A: **Presentations, Debate & Amendments only. * Views are
> presented, debate to be had, and any amendments are to be discussed and
> voted on.  The meeting would be live, streamed, & recorded.  The recording
> would be made available for download after the meeting so people who were
> not able to attend could catch up on all of the debate, or just educate
> themselves on the issues that are of import to them. The moderator could
> then simply adjourn the meeting without vote (on the actual question).
> They have this power in general for cases when meetings run late and can
> re-convene at a later date, provided that date is before the ballot vote.
>
> *Caveats:*
> - Anyone attending on-line would NOT be able to pose questions / make
> statements, this violates the rules of Town Meeting, you must be present to
> be recognized
> - Anyone not attending in person would not be able to vote on any
> amendments
> - All questions would need to be called, which closes debate
>
> *Session B: Voting. * This would occur on the last Saturday before the
> last Monday in March as required by the town by-laws.  Assuming people have
> been to Session A or downloaded and reviewed the material that is relevant
> to them, we now have a population of well-informed voters who can come in
> and just knock out the votes in succession (the question would have already
> "been called" in Session A, which closes further debate).  This format
> would be much easier for parents to allow a smaller fixed period of time to
> vote on issues and anyone else with a busy schedule.
>
> The actual text of the by-law timing is here:
>
> *"The Annual Town Meeting shall be held on the Saturday before the last
> Monday in March in each year at 9:30 A.M. for the transaction of all
> business except that the election of officers and the determination of such
> matters as by law are required to be elected or determined by ballot shall
> take place on the last Monday in March, when the polls shall be open from
> 7:30 A.M. until 7:00 P.M., or to such later time up to 8:00 P.M. as the
> Moderator may determine, provided, however, that whenever the date for the
> Annual Town Meeting, as hereby established, falls on the Saturday before
> Easter Sunday, the Annual Town Meeting shall be held on the preceding
> Saturday, although the Election and ballot questions hereinabove described
> shall still be held on the last Monday in March."*
>
> Not covered in this:
> - Military / Reserve duty votes are still not able to be counted
> - Foreign nationals that live in town, and even those that live in town
> and own property that would be impacted can not vote
> - Proxy voting is not allowed
>
> Unfortunately, those would require many more changes, but I believe we can
> do a two session Town Meeting under current guidelines.
>
> Of course, Town Council would have to review, but I believe this is in the
> realm of the possible. NH has specific rules that allow for this, but I do
> not believe that there are rules that preclude it in MA. And if there are
> rules, I would propose that we change the by-laws to support this
> structure.  I believe this would make town meeting more accessible to a
> wider range of town people and more representative of the desires of the
> Town.
>
> Sorry...that ended up longer than I intended.  I'll save my musing about
> electronic voting and other efficiencies for another opportunity
>
> - Andy
>
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> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 9:07 PM Caitlin Hogue 
> wrote:
>
>> Also, I apologize for writing students instead of kids in a sentence
>> below — my work brain was apparently still functioning!
>>
>> Katy
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 7:49 PM Caitlin Hogue 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Babysitting has been offered recently.
>>>
>>> Respectfully, however, it’s not something that all parents can utilize.
>>> Not all kids will be comfortable in a large group babysitting setting where
>>> they don’t know the adults/babysitters. It’s not a great setting for
>>> babies/toddlers who are

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