Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[Susanna Szeto]

Hi Jim,Thank you for inviting the residents of Lincoln’s future generation to help to improve the voting process!  There are a lot of talents out there!  If this was done with the HCA, I don’t think we will be in this mess of 4 story building discussion in the Lincoln Mall.  Thank you for your leadership!  It is much appreciated!Susanna Szeto10 Giles RoadOn Dec 18, 2023, at 8:14 AM, ٍSarah Postlethwait  wrote:Jim-Thanks so much for taking the lead on revamping Lincoln’s town meeting process. It’s truly appreciated!Sarah Postlethwait On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 7:25 AM Jim Hutchinson <jmhut...@hotmail.com> wrote:







Hi to all those interested in voting technology and process,
 
We’ll be discussing these sorts of issues at tonight’s Select Board meeting, reviewing the Town Clerk’s proposal for “clickers” that electronically tabulate town meeting votes, as well as having a preliminary discussion of other possible
 meeting/process improvements. We’ll briefly review changes that we’ve tried in the past, ideas other towns have tried or are thinking about such as remote voting, suggestions we’ve heard from you, and what state law says about all this, as we think about whether
 and how we should go about such changes.
 
Our meeting starts at 6:30pm tonight, although I’ll warn you there are a few things on our agenda before the above topic. See agenda

here and zoom link below, and note this discussion will be during the “Special Town Meeting Reflections” item, which we may pull forward to just before the public comment period.
 
If you can’t make tonight’s meeting, feel free to reach out to me directly on this topic, especially if you’re inclined to help investigate or push forward an initiative!
 
-jim
 
Topic: Lincoln Select Board Meeting
Time: December 18, 2023, 06:30 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
Join Zoom Meeting
https://zoom.us/j/91832375325?pwd=aXRpdnlJWHJINnZzd0xOQW9ZTjIvdz09
 
Meeting ID: 918 3237 5325
Passcode: 378902
 
 

From: Lincoln <lincoln-boun...@lincolntalk.org>
On Behalf Of Fil Zembowicz
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2023 9:28 PM
To: Robert Ahlert <robahl...@gmail.com>
Cc: Lincoln Talk <lincoln@lincolntalk.org>
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

 

As a 30-something (I guess under-represented?) software developer (over-represented?) in town, I found the inefficiency of the mechanics of the tallying process the frustrating part of the meeting.

 


Hearing the presentations and public comments is amazing and something I find very valuable. Sitting around waiting for addition to happen manually is another matter...


 


It's 2023 ... we could trivially have a system whereby each voter attending the meeting (or not?) is given a unique link via text message or email at which they can input their vote (once) on their phone, while
 providing summary statistics to the moderator in real time. I can't imagine this is a new idea, there are surely vendors that provide this service to numerous states and municipalities. This is not a "hard problem", it would take a weekend to build a simple
 version of this. I would be happy to advise on / help implement such a thing if there is motivation to do so.


 


Fil


16 Minebrook Rd


 


On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 9:19 PM Robert Ahlert <robahl...@gmail.com> wrote:



Town meeting is special, a chance to discuss and decide on issues. The camaraderie is cathartic after intense pre-election debating. 


 


However, when it comes time to vote, i think emotion should not play a role and therefore I prefer electronic voting. I trust my fellow residents to do their homework and come prepared to cast a ballot.


 


Rob Ahlert


185 Lincoln Road





Robert Ahlert |
781.738.1069 |
robahl...@gmail.com





 


 


On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 9:00 PM Laura Crosby <lauracros...@comcast.net> wrote:



I’m 100% in agreement in purchasing 

electronic voting devices. Valerie 


Fox is also in agreement. 

We lost close to two hours 


at the recent Special Town 


 Meeting waiting for votes to be 


counted.


 Many left after first vote due 


to timing issues. 


 

Sent from my iPhone







On Dec 12, 2023, at 6:47 PM, Scott Clary <scottclar...@gmail.com> wrote:







Peter and Andy,


 


Thank you for detailing a plan for revampment of our voting system that makes so much sense. It really is a no-brainer. And the percentages broken down by age that Peter provided are quite telling. 


 


Kind Regards,

Scott Clary
617-968-5769

Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and errors    


 


On Tue, Dec 12, 2023, 6:17 PM Peter Buchthal <pbucht...@gmail.com> wrote:



A town meeting is an all day plus affair which disenfranchises many younger voters with families and other voters who are unable to attend all day meetings.

 


At our last special town meeting in early December we had 878 voters check-in with the following distribution of voters by age.  






18-29


30-3

Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[Garrick Niemiec]

I agree...it's not why we can't, it's how we can!  Go for it!

On Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 8:14 AM ٍSarah Postlethwait  wrote:

> Jim-
> Thanks so much for taking the lead on revamping Lincoln’s town meeting
> process. It’s truly appreciated!
>
> Sarah Postlethwait
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 7:25 AM Jim Hutchinson 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi to all those interested in voting technology and process,
>>
>>
>>
>> We’ll be discussing these sorts of issues at tonight’s Select Board
>> meeting, reviewing the Town Clerk’s proposal for “clickers” that
>> electronically tabulate town meeting votes, as well as having a preliminary
>> discussion of other possible meeting/process improvements. We’ll briefly
>> review changes that we’ve tried in the past, ideas other towns have tried
>> or are thinking about such as remote voting, suggestions we’ve heard from
>> you, and what state law says about all this, as we think about whether and
>> how we should go about such changes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Our meeting starts at 6:30pm tonight, although I’ll warn you there are a
>> few things on our agenda before the above topic. See agenda here
>> <https://www.lincolntown.org/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/_12182023-5384>
>> and zoom link below, and note this discussion will be during the “Special
>> Town Meeting Reflections” item, which we may pull forward to just before
>> the public comment period.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you can’t make tonight’s meeting, feel free to reach out to me
>> directly on this topic, especially if you’re inclined to help investigate
>> or push forward an initiative!
>>
>>
>>
>> -jim
>>
>>
>>
>> Topic: Lincoln Select Board Meeting
>>
>> Time: December 18, 2023, 06:30 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
>>
>> Join Zoom Meeting
>>
>> https://zoom.us/j/91832375325?pwd=aXRpdnlJWHJINnZzd0xOQW9ZTjIvdz09
>>
>>
>>
>> *Meeting ID: 918 3237 5325*
>>
>> *Passcode: 378902*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Lincoln  *On Behalf Of *Fil
>> Zembowicz
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 12, 2023 9:28 PM
>> *To:* Robert Ahlert 
>> *Cc:* Lincoln Talk 
>> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM
>>
>>
>>
>> As a 30-something (I guess under-represented?) software developer
>> (over-represented?) in town, I found the inefficiency of the mechanics of
>> the tallying process the frustrating part of the meeting.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hearing the presentations and public comments is amazing and something I
>> find very valuable. Sitting around waiting for addition to happen manually
>> is another matter...
>>
>>
>>
>> It's 2023 ... we could trivially have a system whereby each voter
>> attending the meeting (or not?) is given a unique link via text message or
>> email at which they can input their vote (once) on their phone, while
>> providing summary statistics to the moderator in real time. I can't imagine
>> this is a new idea, there are surely vendors that provide this service to
>> numerous states and municipalities. This is not a "hard problem", it would
>> take a weekend to build a simple version of this. I would be happy to
>> advise on / help implement such a thing if there is motivation to do so.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fil
>>
>> 16 Minebrook Rd
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 9:19 PM Robert Ahlert 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Town meeting is special, a chance to discuss and decide on issues. The
>> camaraderie is cathartic after intense pre-election debating.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, when it comes time to vote, i think emotion should not play a
>> role and therefore I prefer electronic voting. I trust my fellow residents
>> to do their homework and come prepared to cast a ballot.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rob Ahlert
>>
>> 185 Lincoln Road
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/185+Lincoln+Road?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>> *Robert Ahlert* | *781.738.1069* | robahl...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 9:00 PM Laura Crosby 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I’m 100% in agreement in purchasing
>>
>> electronic voting devices. Valerie
>>
>> Fox is also in agreement.
>>
>> We lost close to two hours
>>
>> at the recent Special Town
>>
>>  Meeting waiting for votes to be
>>
>> counted.
>>
>>  Many left after first vote due
>>
>&g

Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[Laura Crosby]

Thanks, Jim.I am “200%”  behind the proposal to use electronic clickers for voting at town meeting. Laura CrosbySent from my iPhoneOn Dec 18, 2023, at 7:25 AM, Jim Hutchinson  wrote:







Hi to all those interested in voting technology and process,
 
We’ll be discussing these sorts of issues at tonight’s Select Board meeting, reviewing the Town Clerk’s proposal for “clickers” that electronically tabulate town meeting votes, as well as having a preliminary discussion of other possible
 meeting/process improvements. We’ll briefly review changes that we’ve tried in the past, ideas other towns have tried or are thinking about such as remote voting, suggestions we’ve heard from you, and what state law says about all this, as we think about whether
 and how we should go about such changes.
 
Our meeting starts at 6:30pm tonight, although I’ll warn you there are a few things on our agenda before the above topic. See agenda

here and zoom link below, and note this discussion will be during the “Special Town Meeting Reflections” item, which we may pull forward to just before the public comment period.
 
If you can’t make tonight’s meeting, feel free to reach out to me directly on this topic, especially if you’re inclined to help investigate or push forward an initiative!
 
-jim
 
Topic: Lincoln Select Board Meeting
Time: December 18, 2023, 06:30 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
Join Zoom Meeting
https://zoom.us/j/91832375325?pwd=aXRpdnlJWHJINnZzd0xOQW9ZTjIvdz09
 
Meeting ID: 918 3237 5325
Passcode: 378902
 
 

From: Lincoln 
On Behalf Of Fil Zembowicz
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2023 9:28 PM
To: Robert Ahlert 
Cc: Lincoln Talk 
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

 

As a 30-something (I guess under-represented?) software developer (over-represented?) in town, I found the inefficiency of the mechanics of the tallying process the frustrating part of the meeting.

 


Hearing the presentations and public comments is amazing and something I find very valuable. Sitting around waiting for addition to happen manually is another matter...


 


It's 2023 ... we could trivially have a system whereby each voter attending the meeting (or not?) is given a unique link via text message or email at which they can input their vote (once) on their phone, while
 providing summary statistics to the moderator in real time. I can't imagine this is a new idea, there are surely vendors that provide this service to numerous states and municipalities. This is not a "hard problem", it would take a weekend to build a simple
 version of this. I would be happy to advise on / help implement such a thing if there is motivation to do so.


 


Fil


16 Minebrook Rd


 


On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 9:19 PM Robert Ahlert <robahl...@gmail.com> wrote:



Town meeting is special, a chance to discuss and decide on issues. The camaraderie is cathartic after intense pre-election debating. 


 


However, when it comes time to vote, i think emotion should not play a role and therefore I prefer electronic voting. I trust my fellow residents to do their homework and come prepared to cast a ballot.


 


Rob Ahlert


185 Lincoln Road





Robert Ahlert |
781.738.1069 |
robahl...@gmail.com





 


 


On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 9:00 PM Laura Crosby <lauracros...@comcast.net> wrote:



I’m 100% in agreement in purchasing 

electronic voting devices. Valerie 


Fox is also in agreement. 

We lost close to two hours 


at the recent Special Town 


 Meeting waiting for votes to be 


counted.


 Many left after first vote due 


to timing issues. 


 

Sent from my iPhone







On Dec 12, 2023, at 6:47 PM, Scott Clary <scottclar...@gmail.com> wrote:







Peter and Andy,


 


Thank you for detailing a plan for revampment of our voting system that makes so much sense. It really is a no-brainer. And the percentages broken down by age that Peter provided are quite telling. 


 


Kind Regards,

Scott Clary
617-968-5769

Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and errors    


 


On Tue, Dec 12, 2023, 6:17 PM Peter Buchthal <pbucht...@gmail.com> wrote:



A town meeting is an all day plus affair which disenfranchises many younger voters with families and other voters who are unable to attend all day meetings.

 


At our last special town meeting in early December we had 878 voters check-in with the following distribution of voters by age.  






18-29


30-39


40-49


50-59


60-69


70-79


80+




2%


5%


14%


16%


23%


24%


16%





 

With only 640ish cast ballots for preference votes for the Community Center and HCA rezoning, we lost 16/% of our checked-in voters as many didn't stay to participate in both important votes.  Please note that only
 21% of the vote is 49 or under.  


 


 


With a poor representation of our younger residents, We need to revamp our Town Meetings to better engage our 4876 registered voters.  Certain votes require 2/3 of a town meeting and 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[V Saleme]

All,

Perhaps this has been considered, however, and while vetting this theory
out, let’s ensure we discuss;

- Has it been used before? If so where, for how long and in what capacity?
- How is Tabulated data transmitted And to where?
- Is it encrypted? By which standard?
- MFA for those voting?
- Who is the vendor and do they have a privacy policy? Please pass it along.
- Does the vendor have a published WISP? We need to see this.
- What regulatory attestation might the vendor aspire to? ISO 27,001? SOC
2? Something else?
- Who has access to the data?
- Who or what constitutes the ACL?

More but this is a start.
Happy to assist/help.

Vic



On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 7:25 AM Jim Hutchinson  wrote:

> Hi to all those interested in voting technology and process,
>
>
>
> We’ll be discussing these sorts of issues at tonight’s Select Board
> meeting, reviewing the Town Clerk’s proposal for “clickers” that
> electronically tabulate town meeting votes, as well as having a preliminary
> discussion of other possible meeting/process improvements. We’ll briefly
> review changes that we’ve tried in the past, ideas other towns have tried
> or are thinking about such as remote voting, suggestions we’ve heard from
> you, and what state law says about all this, as we think about whether and
> how we should go about such changes.
>
>
>
> Our meeting starts at 6:30pm tonight, although I’ll warn you there are a
> few things on our agenda before the above topic. See agenda here
> <https://www.lincolntown.org/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/_12182023-5384>
> and zoom link below, and note this discussion will be during the “Special
> Town Meeting Reflections” item, which we may pull forward to just before
> the public comment period.
>
>
>
> If you can’t make tonight’s meeting, feel free to reach out to me directly
> on this topic, especially if you’re inclined to help investigate or push
> forward an initiative!
>
>
>
> -jim
>
>
>
> Topic: Lincoln Select Board Meeting
>
> Time: December 18, 2023, 06:30 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
>
> Join Zoom Meeting
>
> https://zoom.us/j/91832375325?pwd=aXRpdnlJWHJINnZzd0xOQW9ZTjIvdz09
>
>
>
> *Meeting ID: 918 3237 5325*
>
> *Passcode: 378902*
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Lincoln  *On Behalf Of *Fil
> Zembowicz
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 12, 2023 9:28 PM
> *To:* Robert Ahlert 
> *Cc:* Lincoln Talk 
> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM
>
>
>
> As a 30-something (I guess under-represented?) software developer
> (over-represented?) in town, I found the inefficiency of the mechanics of
> the tallying process the frustrating part of the meeting.
>
>
>
> Hearing the presentations and public comments is amazing and something I
> find very valuable. Sitting around waiting for addition to happen manually
> is another matter...
>
>
>
> It's 2023 ... we could trivially have a system whereby each voter
> attending the meeting (or not?) is given a unique link via text message or
> email at which they can input their vote (once) on their phone, while
> providing summary statistics to the moderator in real time. I can't imagine
> this is a new idea, there are surely vendors that provide this service to
> numerous states and municipalities. This is not a "hard problem", it would
> take a weekend to build a simple version of this. I would be happy to
> advise on / help implement such a thing if there is motivation to do so.
>
>
>
> Fil
>
> 16 Minebrook Rd
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 9:19 PM Robert Ahlert  wrote:
>
> Town meeting is special, a chance to discuss and decide on issues. The
> camaraderie is cathartic after intense pre-election debating.
>
>
>
> However, when it comes time to vote, i think emotion should not play a
> role and therefore I prefer electronic voting. I trust my fellow residents
> to do their homework and come prepared to cast a ballot.
>
>
>
> Rob Ahlert
>
> 185 Lincoln Road
>
> *Robert Ahlert* | *781.738.1069* | robahl...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 9:00 PM Laura Crosby 
> wrote:
>
> I’m 100% in agreement in purchasing
>
> electronic voting devices. Valerie
>
> Fox is also in agreement.
>
> We lost close to two hours
>
> at the recent Special Town
>
>  Meeting waiting for votes to be
>
> counted.
>
>  Many left after first vote due
>
> to timing issues.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2023, at 6:47 PM, Scott Clary  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Peter and Andy,
>
>
>
> Thank you for detailing a plan for revampment of our voting system that
> makes so much sense. It re

Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[ٍSarah Postlethwait]

Jim-
Thanks so much for taking the lead on revamping Lincoln’s town meeting
process. It’s truly appreciated!

Sarah Postlethwait

On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 7:25 AM Jim Hutchinson  wrote:

> Hi to all those interested in voting technology and process,
>
>
>
> We’ll be discussing these sorts of issues at tonight’s Select Board
> meeting, reviewing the Town Clerk’s proposal for “clickers” that
> electronically tabulate town meeting votes, as well as having a preliminary
> discussion of other possible meeting/process improvements. We’ll briefly
> review changes that we’ve tried in the past, ideas other towns have tried
> or are thinking about such as remote voting, suggestions we’ve heard from
> you, and what state law says about all this, as we think about whether and
> how we should go about such changes.
>
>
>
> Our meeting starts at 6:30pm tonight, although I’ll warn you there are a
> few things on our agenda before the above topic. See agenda here
> <https://www.lincolntown.org/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/_12182023-5384>
> and zoom link below, and note this discussion will be during the “Special
> Town Meeting Reflections” item, which we may pull forward to just before
> the public comment period.
>
>
>
> If you can’t make tonight’s meeting, feel free to reach out to me directly
> on this topic, especially if you’re inclined to help investigate or push
> forward an initiative!
>
>
>
> -jim
>
>
>
> Topic: Lincoln Select Board Meeting
>
> Time: December 18, 2023, 06:30 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
>
> Join Zoom Meeting
>
> https://zoom.us/j/91832375325?pwd=aXRpdnlJWHJINnZzd0xOQW9ZTjIvdz09
>
>
>
> *Meeting ID: 918 3237 5325*
>
> *Passcode: 378902*
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Lincoln  *On Behalf Of *Fil
> Zembowicz
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 12, 2023 9:28 PM
> *To:* Robert Ahlert 
> *Cc:* Lincoln Talk 
> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM
>
>
>
> As a 30-something (I guess under-represented?) software developer
> (over-represented?) in town, I found the inefficiency of the mechanics of
> the tallying process the frustrating part of the meeting.
>
>
>
> Hearing the presentations and public comments is amazing and something I
> find very valuable. Sitting around waiting for addition to happen manually
> is another matter...
>
>
>
> It's 2023 ... we could trivially have a system whereby each voter
> attending the meeting (or not?) is given a unique link via text message or
> email at which they can input their vote (once) on their phone, while
> providing summary statistics to the moderator in real time. I can't imagine
> this is a new idea, there are surely vendors that provide this service to
> numerous states and municipalities. This is not a "hard problem", it would
> take a weekend to build a simple version of this. I would be happy to
> advise on / help implement such a thing if there is motivation to do so.
>
>
>
> Fil
>
> 16 Minebrook Rd
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 9:19 PM Robert Ahlert  wrote:
>
> Town meeting is special, a chance to discuss and decide on issues. The
> camaraderie is cathartic after intense pre-election debating.
>
>
>
> However, when it comes time to vote, i think emotion should not play a
> role and therefore I prefer electronic voting. I trust my fellow residents
> to do their homework and come prepared to cast a ballot.
>
>
>
> Rob Ahlert
>
> 185 Lincoln Road
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/185+Lincoln+Road?entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> *Robert Ahlert* | *781.738.1069* | robahl...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 9:00 PM Laura Crosby 
> wrote:
>
> I’m 100% in agreement in purchasing
>
> electronic voting devices. Valerie
>
> Fox is also in agreement.
>
> We lost close to two hours
>
> at the recent Special Town
>
>  Meeting waiting for votes to be
>
> counted.
>
>  Many left after first vote due
>
> to timing issues.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2023, at 6:47 PM, Scott Clary  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Peter and Andy,
>
>
>
> Thank you for detailing a plan for revampment of our voting system that
> makes so much sense. It really is a no-brainer. And the percentages broken
> down by age that Peter provided are quite telling.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Scott Clary
> 617-968-5769
>
> Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and errors
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023, 6:17 PM Peter Buchthal  wrote:
>
> A town meeting is an all day plus affair which disenfranchises many
> younger voters with familie

Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[Jim Hutchinson]

Hi to all those interested in voting technology and process,

We’ll be discussing these sorts of issues at tonight’s Select Board meeting, 
reviewing the Town Clerk’s proposal for “clickers” that electronically tabulate 
town meeting votes, as well as having a preliminary discussion of other 
possible meeting/process improvements. We’ll briefly review changes that we’ve 
tried in the past, ideas other towns have tried or are thinking about such as 
remote voting, suggestions we’ve heard from you, and what state law says about 
all this, as we think about whether and how we should go about such changes.

Our meeting starts at 6:30pm tonight, although I’ll warn you there are a few 
things on our agenda before the above topic. See agenda 
here<https://www.lincolntown.org/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/_12182023-5384> 
and zoom link below, and note this discussion will be during the “Special Town 
Meeting Reflections” item, which we may pull forward to just before the public 
comment period.

If you can’t make tonight’s meeting, feel free to reach out to me directly on 
this topic, especially if you’re inclined to help investigate or push forward 
an initiative!

-jim

Topic: Lincoln Select Board Meeting
Time: December 18, 2023, 06:30 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)
Join Zoom Meeting
https://zoom.us/j/91832375325?pwd=aXRpdnlJWHJINnZzd0xOQW9ZTjIvdz09

Meeting ID: 918 3237 5325
Passcode: 378902


From: Lincoln  On Behalf Of Fil Zembowicz
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2023 9:28 PM
To: Robert Ahlert 
Cc: Lincoln Talk 
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

As a 30-something (I guess under-represented?) software developer 
(over-represented?) in town, I found the inefficiency of the mechanics of the 
tallying process the frustrating part of the meeting.

Hearing the presentations and public comments is amazing and something I find 
very valuable. Sitting around waiting for addition to happen manually is 
another matter...

It's 2023 ... we could trivially have a system whereby each voter attending the 
meeting (or not?) is given a unique link via text message or email at which 
they can input their vote (once) on their phone, while providing summary 
statistics to the moderator in real time. I can't imagine this is a new idea, 
there are surely vendors that provide this service to numerous states and 
municipalities. This is not a "hard problem", it would take a weekend to build 
a simple version of this. I would be happy to advise on / help implement such a 
thing if there is motivation to do so.

Fil
16 Minebrook Rd

On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 9:19 PM Robert Ahlert 
mailto:robahl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Town meeting is special, a chance to discuss and decide on issues. The 
camaraderie is cathartic after intense pre-election debating.

However, when it comes time to vote, i think emotion should not play a role and 
therefore I prefer electronic voting. I trust my fellow residents to do their 
homework and come prepared to cast a ballot.

Rob Ahlert
185 Lincoln Road

Robert Ahlert | 781.738.1069 | robahl...@gmail.com<mailto:robahl...@gmail.com>


On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 9:00 PM Laura Crosby 
mailto:lauracros...@comcast.net>> wrote:
I’m 100% in agreement in purchasing
electronic voting devices. Valerie
Fox is also in agreement.
We lost close to two hours
at the recent Special Town
 Meeting waiting for votes to be
counted.
 Many left after first vote due
to timing issues.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 12, 2023, at 6:47 PM, Scott Clary 
mailto:scottclar...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Peter and Andy,

Thank you for detailing a plan for revampment of our voting system that makes 
so much sense. It really is a no-brainer. And the percentages broken down by 
age that Peter provided are quite telling.

Kind Regards,

Scott Clary
617-968-5769

Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and errors

On Tue, Dec 12, 2023, 6:17 PM Peter Buchthal 
mailto:pbucht...@gmail.com>> wrote:
A town meeting is an all day plus affair which disenfranchises many younger 
voters with families and other voters who are unable to attend all day meetings.

At our last special town meeting in early December we had 878 voters check-in 
with the following distribution of voters by age.
18-29
30-39
40-49
50-59
60-69
70-79
80+
2%
5%
14%
16%
23%
24%
16%

With only 640ish cast ballots for preference votes for the Community Center and 
HCA rezoning, we lost 16/% of our checked-in voters as many didn't stay to 
participate in both important votes.  Please note that only 21% of the vote is 
49 or under.


With a poor representation of our younger residents, We need to revamp our Town 
Meetings to better engage our 4876 registered voters.  Certain votes require 
2/3 of a town meeting and with such poor voter turnout, the power of a few well 
organized groups can dominate the decisions of the town unjustly.

I propose
1) The town should purchase electronic voting devices to speed 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[Marc Bazin]

re the many different ways to increase voter
>>>> participation at Town Meetings.  Maybe we can even get this new style of
>>>> Town Meeting ready for our March meeting.
>>>>
>>>> Many towns like Concord have town meetings that last several days and
>>>> have even poorer voter participation than ours Concord Town Meeting
>>>> Participation
>>>> <https://concordma.gov/DocumentCenter/View/43398/TOWN-MEETING-VOTER-PARTICIPATION-1997-2023>.
>>>> The working group should explore separating the time consuming parts of a
>>>> Town Meeting from the voting part.   The first day of the Town Meeting
>>>> could work through, amend and debate all contentious warrants up to an
>>>> actual vote.  At a certain point when a warrant is ready to vote, the
>>>> moderator should table the vote until the continuation of the 2nd day of
>>>> the town meeting.  Information about the 1st day's work will be posted
>>>> online with a video that voters would be able to review.  The 2nd day of
>>>> only voting would be a couple of days after the first and begin at a set
>>>> time and be finished hopefully after only spending a couple of minutes per
>>>> vote if the Town purchases electronic voting devices.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Buchthal
>>>> Weston Rd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 9:01 AM Andy Wang  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As of March, according to the election results.
>>>>> <29AFF794-562A-4589-B5F3-D20DB548516B.png>
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 8:36 AM Garrick Niemiec <
>>>>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:52 PM Garrick Niemiec <
>>>>>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 5000 voters are on record
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:36 PM Barbara Low 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I thought there were about 5000 residents, not voters.
>>>>>>>>  Does anyone know the actual number of voters?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
>>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of
>>>>>>>> Sara Mattes 
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 8:22:46 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* Garrick Niemiec 
>>>>>>>> *Cc:* Lincoln Talk 
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most towns do NOT do this.
>>>>>>>> Laws which govern Open Town Meeting towns  are the determining
>>>>>>>> factors.
>>>>>>>> Perhaps all who want to come up with some new concepts should get
>>>>>>>> together, like LRHA, and research and propose to the town.
>>>>>>>> That would be really instructive and constructive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> March will have a ballot, in addition to the TM vote -to approve
>>>>>>>> the $$ for the Community Center.
>>>>>>>> One could skip TM and simply vote at the ballot box the following
>>>>>>>> Monday.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, I urge all who are interested in this issue to form a study
>>>>>>>> group and see what options are available.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Sara Mattes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Garrick Niemiec <
>>>>>>>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I couldn't disagree more...we need to make voting accessable...time
>>>>>>>> for change Sara.. time 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[Fil Zembowicz]

 consuming parts of a
>>> Town Meeting from the voting part.   The first day of the Town Meeting
>>> could work through, amend and debate all contentious warrants up to an
>>> actual vote.  At a certain point when a warrant is ready to vote, the
>>> moderator should table the vote until the continuation of the 2nd day of
>>> the town meeting.  Information about the 1st day's work will be posted
>>> online with a video that voters would be able to review.  The 2nd day of
>>> only voting would be a couple of days after the first and begin at a set
>>> time and be finished hopefully after only spending a couple of minutes per
>>> vote if the Town purchases electronic voting devices.
>>>
>>> Peter Buchthal
>>> Weston Rd
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 9:01 AM Andy Wang  wrote:
>>>
>>>> As of March, according to the election results.
>>>> <29AFF794-562A-4589-B5F3-D20DB548516B.png>
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 8:36 AM Garrick Niemiec <
>>>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:52 PM Garrick Niemiec <
>>>>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 5000 voters are on record
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:36 PM Barbara Low 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thought there were about 5000 residents, not voters.
>>>>>>>  Does anyone know the actual number of voters?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
>>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Sara
>>>>>>> Mattes 
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 8:22:46 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* Garrick Niemiec 
>>>>>>> *Cc:* Lincoln Talk 
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most towns do NOT do this.
>>>>>>> Laws which govern Open Town Meeting towns  are the determining
>>>>>>> factors.
>>>>>>> Perhaps all who want to come up with some new concepts should get
>>>>>>> together, like LRHA, and research and propose to the town.
>>>>>>> That would be really instructive and constructive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> March will have a ballot, in addition to the TM vote -to approve the
>>>>>>> $$ for the Community Center.
>>>>>>> One could skip TM and simply vote at the ballot box the following
>>>>>>> Monday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, I urge all who are interested in this issue to form a study
>>>>>>> group and see what options are available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Sara Mattes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Garrick Niemiec <
>>>>>>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I couldn't disagree more...we need to make voting accessable...time
>>>>>>> for change Sara.. time for change now. Let us vote electronically...all 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> us remotely.  C'mon most towns do it now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> New comers including  my family all recognize this!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The system is sooo antiquated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Join us now before the march town meeting fails us again!  Again and
>>>>>>> again and again!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a good friend said at STM we are not spending our money wisely!
>>>>>>> You know that...a school project for 30M turns into 100 M. Driven by
>>>>>>> current Lincoln politics including selects.  Yikes!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now RLF is bankrupt? What&#

Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[David G]

gt;>
>> Many towns like Concord have town meetings that last several days and
>> have even poorer voter participation than ours Concord Town Meeting
>> Participation
>> <https://concordma.gov/DocumentCenter/View/43398/TOWN-MEETING-VOTER-PARTICIPATION-1997-2023>.
>> The working group should explore separating the time consuming parts of a
>> Town Meeting from the voting part.   The first day of the Town Meeting
>> could work through, amend and debate all contentious warrants up to an
>> actual vote.  At a certain point when a warrant is ready to vote, the
>> moderator should table the vote until the continuation of the 2nd day of
>> the town meeting.  Information about the 1st day's work will be posted
>> online with a video that voters would be able to review.  The 2nd day of
>> only voting would be a couple of days after the first and begin at a set
>> time and be finished hopefully after only spending a couple of minutes per
>> vote if the Town purchases electronic voting devices.
>>
>> Peter Buchthal
>> Weston Rd
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 9:01 AM Andy Wang  wrote:
>>
>>> As of March, according to the election results.
>>> <29AFF794-562A-4589-B5F3-D20DB548516B.png>
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 8:36 AM Garrick Niemiec <
>>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:52 PM Garrick Niemiec <
>>>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 5000 voters are on record
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:36 PM Barbara Low 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought there were about 5000 residents, not voters.
>>>>>>  Does anyone know the actual number of voters?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
>>>>>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Sara
>>>>>> Mattes 
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 8:22:46 PM
>>>>>> *To:* Garrick Niemiec 
>>>>>> *Cc:* Lincoln Talk 
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most towns do NOT do this.
>>>>>> Laws which govern Open Town Meeting towns  are the determining
>>>>>> factors.
>>>>>> Perhaps all who want to come up with some new concepts should get
>>>>>> together, like LRHA, and research and propose to the town.
>>>>>> That would be really instructive and constructive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> March will have a ballot, in addition to the TM vote -to approve the
>>>>>> $$ for the Community Center.
>>>>>> One could skip TM and simply vote at the ballot box the following
>>>>>> Monday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, I urge all who are interested in this issue to form a study
>>>>>> group and see what options are available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sara Mattes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Garrick Niemiec <
>>>>>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I couldn't disagree more...we need to make voting accessable...time
>>>>>> for change Sara.. time for change now. Let us vote electronically...all 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> us remotely.  C'mon most towns do it now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> New comers including  my family all recognize this!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The system is sooo antiquated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Join us now before the march town meeting fails us again!  Again and
>>>>>> again and again!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a good friend said at STM we are not spending our money wisely!
>>>>>> You know that...a school project for 30M turns into 100 M. Driven by
>>>>>> current Lincoln politics including selects.  Yikes!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now RLF is bankrupt? What's going on here.  W

Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[Robert Ahlert]

Town meeting is special, a chance to discuss and decide on issues. The
camaraderie is cathartic after intense pre-election debating.

However, when it comes time to vote, i think emotion should not play a role
and therefore I prefer electronic voting. I trust my fellow residents to do
their homework and come prepared to cast a ballot.

Rob Ahlert
185 Lincoln Road

*Robert Ahlert* | *781.738.1069* | robahl...@gmail.com


On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 9:00 PM Laura Crosby 
wrote:

> I’m 100% in agreement in purchasing
> electronic voting devices. Valerie
> Fox is also in agreement.
> We lost close to two hours
> at the recent Special Town
>  Meeting waiting for votes to be
> counted.
>  Many left after first vote due
> to timing issues.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 12, 2023, at 6:47 PM, Scott Clary  wrote:
>
> 
> Peter and Andy,
>
> Thank you for detailing a plan for revampment of our voting system that
> makes so much sense. It really is a no-brainer. And the percentages broken
> down by age that Peter provided are quite telling.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Scott Clary
> 617-968-5769
>
> Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and errors
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023, 6:17 PM Peter Buchthal  wrote:
>
>> A town meeting is an all day plus affair which disenfranchises many
>> younger voters with families and other voters who are unable to attend all
>> day meetings.
>>
>> At our last special town meeting in early December we had 878 voters
>> check-in with the following distribution of voters by age.
>> 18-29 30-39 40-49 50-59 60-69 70-79 80+
>> 2% 5% 14% 16% 23% 24% 16%
>>
>> With only 640ish cast ballots for preference votes for the Community
>> Center and HCA rezoning, we lost 16/% of our checked-in voters as many
>> didn't stay to participate in both important votes.  Please note that only
>> 21% of the vote is 49 or under.
>>
>>
>> With a poor representation of our younger residents, We need to revamp
>> our Town Meetings to better engage our 4876 registered voters.  Certain
>> votes require 2/3 of a town meeting and with such poor voter turnout, the
>> power of a few well organized groups can dominate the decisions of the town
>> unjustly.
>>
>> I propose
>> 1) The town should purchase electronic voting devices to speed up all
>> town meetings.  At least 60 towns in the commonwealth already successfully
>> use these devices.  I bet we could save at least a couple of hours at each
>> town meeting by using this proven technology. List of Mass Towns
>> <https://www.meridiaars.com/electronic-voting-system-in-massachusetts-towns/>
>>
>>
>> 2)  We should explore Andy Wang's earlier suggestion of separating the
>> debate/amend parts of a Town Meeting from the voting part.  The town should
>> create a working group to explore the many different ways to increase voter
>> participation at Town Meetings.  Maybe we can even get this new style of
>> Town Meeting ready for our March meeting.
>>
>> Many towns like Concord have town meetings that last several days and
>> have even poorer voter participation than ours Concord Town Meeting
>> Participation
>> <https://concordma.gov/DocumentCenter/View/43398/TOWN-MEETING-VOTER-PARTICIPATION-1997-2023>.
>> The working group should explore separating the time consuming parts of a
>> Town Meeting from the voting part.   The first day of the Town Meeting
>> could work through, amend and debate all contentious warrants up to an
>> actual vote.  At a certain point when a warrant is ready to vote, the
>> moderator should table the vote until the continuation of the 2nd day of
>> the town meeting.  Information about the 1st day's work will be posted
>> online with a video that voters would be able to review.  The 2nd day of
>> only voting would be a couple of days after the first and begin at a set
>> time and be finished hopefully after only spending a couple of minutes per
>> vote if the Town purchases electronic voting devices.
>>
>> Peter Buchthal
>> Weston Rd
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 9:01 AM Andy Wang  wrote:
>>
>>> As of March, according to the election results.
>>> <29AFF794-562A-4589-B5F3-D20DB548516B.png>
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 8:36 AM Garrick Niemiec <
>>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:52 PM Garrick Niemiec <
>>>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>&g

Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[Laura Crosby]

I’m 100% in agreement in purchasing electronic voting devices. Valerie Fox is also in agreement. We lost close to two hours at the recent Special Town  Meeting waiting for votes to be counted. Many left after first vote due to timing issues. Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 12, 2023, at 6:47 PM, Scott Clary  wrote:Peter and Andy,Thank you for detailing a plan for revampment of our voting system that makes so much sense. It really is a no-brainer. And the percentages broken down by age that Peter provided are quite telling. Kind Regards,Scott Clary617-968-5769Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and errors    On Tue, Dec 12, 2023, 6:17 PM Peter Buchthal <pbucht...@gmail.com> wrote:A town meeting is an all day plus affair which disenfranchises many younger voters with families and other voters who are unable to attend all day meetings.At our last special town meeting in early December we had 878 voters check-in with the following distribution of voters by age.  18-2930-3940-4950-5960-6970-7980+2%5%14%16%23%24%16%With only 640ish cast ballots for preference votes for the Community Center and HCA rezoning, we lost 16/% of our checked-in voters as many didn't stay to participate in both important votes.  Please note that only 21% of the vote is 49 or under.  With a poor representation of our younger residents, We need to revamp our Town Meetings to better engage our 4876 registered voters.  Certain votes require 2/3 of a town meeting and with such poor voter turnout, the power of a few well organized groups can dominate the decisions of the town unjustly.I propose 1) The town should purchase electronic voting devices to speed up all town meetings.  At least 60 towns in the commonwealth already successfully use these devices.  I bet we could save at least a couple of hours at each town meeting by using this proven technology. List of Mass Towns2)  We should explore Andy Wang's earlier suggestion of separating the debate/amend parts of a Town Meeting from the voting part.  The town should create a working group to explore the many different ways to increase voter participation at Town Meetings.  Maybe we can even get this new style of Town Meeting ready for our March meeting.Many towns like Concord have town meetings that last several days and have even poorer voter participation than ours Concord Town Meeting Participation.  The working group should explore separating the time consuming parts of a Town Meeting from the voting part.   The first day of the Town Meeting could work through, amend and debate all contentious warrants up to an actual vote.  At a certain point when a warrant is ready to vote, the moderator should table the vote until the continuation of the 2nd day of the town meeting.  Information about the 1st day's work will be posted online with a video that voters would be able to review.  The 2nd day of only voting would be a couple of days after the first and begin at a set time and be finished hopefully after only spending a couple of minutes per vote if the Town purchases electronic voting devices. Peter BuchthalWeston RdOn Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 9:01 AM Andy Wang <andyrw...@gmail.com> wrote:As of March, according to the election results.<29AFF794-562A-4589-B5F3-D20DB548516B.png>AndyOn Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 8:36 AM Garrick Niemiec <garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:52 PM Garrick Niemiec <garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:5000 voters are on recordOn Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:36 PM Barbara Low <barbara_...@hotmail.com> wrote:




I thought there were about 5000 residents, not voters.
 Does anyone know the actual number of voters?


Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
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From: Lincoln <lincoln-boun...@lincolntalk.org> on behalf of Sara Mattes <samat...@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 8:22:46 PM
To: Garrick Niemiec <garrickniemiec...@gmail.com>
Cc: Lincoln Talk <lincoln@lincolntalk.org>
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM
 

Most towns do NOT do this.
Laws which govern Open Town Meeting towns  are the determining factors.
Perhaps all who want to come up with some new concepts should get together, like LRHA, and research and propose to the town.
That would be really instructive and constructive.


March will have a ballot, in addition to the TM vote -to approve the $$ for the Community Center.
One could skip TM and simply vote at the ballot box the following Monday.


Again, I urge all who are interested in this issue to form a study group and see what options are available.






--
Sara Mattes









On Dec 11, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Garrick Niemiec <garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:


I couldn't disagree more...we need to make voting accessable...time for change Sara.. time for change now. Let us vote electronically...all of us remotely.  C'mon most towns do it now.  


New comers including  my family all recognize this!

[LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[Louis Zipes]

vote, the
> moderator should table the vote until the continuation of the 2nd day of
> the town meeting.  Information about the 1st day's work will be posted
> online with a video that voters would be able to review.  The 2nd day of
> only voting would be a couple of days after the first and begin at a set
> time and be finished hopefully after only spending a couple of minutes per
> vote if the Town purchases electronic voting devices.
>
> Peter Buchthal
> Weston Rd
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 9:01 AM Andy Wang  wrote:
>
>> As of March, according to the election results.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 8:36 AM Garrick Niemiec <
>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:52 PM Garrick Niemiec <
>>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 5000 voters are on record
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:36 PM Barbara Low 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I thought there were about 5000 residents, not voters.
>>>>>  Does anyone know the actual number of voters?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
>>>>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Sara
>>>>> Mattes 
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 8:22:46 PM
>>>>> *To:* Garrick Niemiec 
>>>>> *Cc:* Lincoln Talk 
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM
>>>>>
>>>>> Most towns do NOT do this.
>>>>> Laws which govern Open Town Meeting towns  are the determining factors.
>>>>> Perhaps all who want to come up with some new concepts should get
>>>>> together, like LRHA, and research and propose to the town.
>>>>> That would be really instructive and constructive.
>>>>>
>>>>> March will have a ballot, in addition to the TM vote -to approve the
>>>>> $$ for the Community Center.
>>>>> One could skip TM and simply vote at the ballot box the following
>>>>> Monday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, I urge all who are interested in this issue to form a study
>>>>> group and see what options are available.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sara Mattes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Garrick Niemiec <
>>>>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I couldn't disagree more...we need to make voting accessable...time
>>>>> for change Sara.. time for change now. Let us vote electronically...all of
>>>>> us remotely.  C'mon most towns do it now.
>>>>>
>>>>> New comers including  my family all recognize this!
>>>>>
>>>>> The system is sooo antiquated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Join us now before the march town meeting fails us again!  Again and
>>>>> again and again!
>>>>>
>>>>> As a good friend said at STM we are not spending our money wisely!
>>>>> You know that...a school project for 30M turns into 100 M. Driven by
>>>>> current Lincoln politics including selects.  Yikes!
>>>>>
>>>>> Now RLF is bankrupt? What's going on here.  We're in a tailspin.  Any
>>>>> ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 6:53 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Garrick,
>>>>> Town Meeting is open to all who care enough to attend.
>>>>> It not a drive-by!
>>>>> When people make noise about wanting a secret ballot at a ballot box,
>>>>> there is no evidence that indicates a huge leap in participation!
>>>>> I don’t like the way thing unfolded or the (predictable) outcome, but
>>>>> it was not because voting was not available tall.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sara Mattes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 5:53 PM, Garrick Niemiec <
>>>>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 5000 are registered voters...this is NOT the Lincoln way!!!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[Scott Clary]

Peter and Andy,

Thank you for detailing a plan for revampment of our voting system that
makes so much sense. It really is a no-brainer. And the percentages broken
down by age that Peter provided are quite telling.

Kind Regards,

Scott Clary
617-968-5769

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On Tue, Dec 12, 2023, 6:17 PM Peter Buchthal  wrote:

> A town meeting is an all day plus affair which disenfranchises many
> younger voters with families and other voters who are unable to attend all
> day meetings.
>
> At our last special town meeting in early December we had 878 voters
> check-in with the following distribution of voters by age.
> 18-29 30-39 40-49 50-59 60-69 70-79 80+
> 2% 5% 14% 16% 23% 24% 16%
>
> With only 640ish cast ballots for preference votes for the Community
> Center and HCA rezoning, we lost 16/% of our checked-in voters as many
> didn't stay to participate in both important votes.  Please note that only
> 21% of the vote is 49 or under.
>
>
> With a poor representation of our younger residents, We need to revamp our
> Town Meetings to better engage our 4876 registered voters.  Certain votes
> require 2/3 of a town meeting and with such poor voter turnout, the power
> of a few well organized groups can dominate the decisions of the town
> unjustly.
>
> I propose
> 1) The town should purchase electronic voting devices to speed up all town
> meetings.  At least 60 towns in the commonwealth already successfully use
> these devices.  I bet we could save at least a couple of hours at each town
> meeting by using this proven technology. List of Mass Towns
> <https://www.meridiaars.com/electronic-voting-system-in-massachusetts-towns/>
>
>
> 2)  We should explore Andy Wang's earlier suggestion of separating the
> debate/amend parts of a Town Meeting from the voting part.  The town should
> create a working group to explore the many different ways to increase voter
> participation at Town Meetings.  Maybe we can even get this new style of
> Town Meeting ready for our March meeting.
>
> Many towns like Concord have town meetings that last several days and have
> even poorer voter participation than ours Concord Town Meeting
> Participation
> <https://concordma.gov/DocumentCenter/View/43398/TOWN-MEETING-VOTER-PARTICIPATION-1997-2023>.
> The working group should explore separating the time consuming parts of a
> Town Meeting from the voting part.   The first day of the Town Meeting
> could work through, amend and debate all contentious warrants up to an
> actual vote.  At a certain point when a warrant is ready to vote, the
> moderator should table the vote until the continuation of the 2nd day of
> the town meeting.  Information about the 1st day's work will be posted
> online with a video that voters would be able to review.  The 2nd day of
> only voting would be a couple of days after the first and begin at a set
> time and be finished hopefully after only spending a couple of minutes per
> vote if the Town purchases electronic voting devices.
>
> Peter Buchthal
> Weston Rd
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 9:01 AM Andy Wang  wrote:
>
>> As of March, according to the election results.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 8:36 AM Garrick Niemiec <
>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:52 PM Garrick Niemiec <
>>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 5000 voters are on record
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:36 PM Barbara Low 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I thought there were about 5000 residents, not voters.
>>>>>  Does anyone know the actual number of voters?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
>>>>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Sara
>>>>> Mattes 
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 8:22:46 PM
>>>>> *To:* Garrick Niemiec 
>>>>> *Cc:* Lincoln Talk 
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM
>>>>>
>>>>> Most towns do NOT do this.
>>>>> Laws which govern Open Town Meeting towns  are the determining factors.
>>>>> Perhaps all who want to come up with some new concepts should get
>>>>> together, like LRHA, and research and propose to the town.
>>>>> That would be really instructive and constructive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ma

Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[Peter Buchthal]

A town meeting is an all day plus affair which disenfranchises many younger
voters with families and other voters who are unable to attend all day
meetings.

At our last special town meeting in early December we had 878 voters
check-in with the following distribution of voters by age.
18-29 30-39 40-49 50-59 60-69 70-79 80+
2% 5% 14% 16% 23% 24% 16%

With only 640ish cast ballots for preference votes for the Community Center
and HCA rezoning, we lost 16/% of our checked-in voters as many didn't stay
to participate in both important votes.  Please note that only 21% of the
vote is 49 or under.


With a poor representation of our younger residents, We need to revamp our
Town Meetings to better engage our 4876 registered voters.  Certain votes
require 2/3 of a town meeting and with such poor voter turnout, the power
of a few well organized groups can dominate the decisions of the town
unjustly.

I propose
1) The town should purchase electronic voting devices to speed up all town
meetings.  At least 60 towns in the commonwealth already successfully use
these devices.  I bet we could save at least a couple of hours at each town
meeting by using this proven technology. List of Mass Towns
<https://www.meridiaars.com/electronic-voting-system-in-massachusetts-towns/>


2)  We should explore Andy Wang's earlier suggestion of separating the
debate/amend parts of a Town Meeting from the voting part.  The town should
create a working group to explore the many different ways to increase voter
participation at Town Meetings.  Maybe we can even get this new style of
Town Meeting ready for our March meeting.

Many towns like Concord have town meetings that last several days and have
even poorer voter participation than ours Concord Town Meeting Participation
<https://concordma.gov/DocumentCenter/View/43398/TOWN-MEETING-VOTER-PARTICIPATION-1997-2023>.
The working group should explore separating the time consuming parts of a
Town Meeting from the voting part.   The first day of the Town Meeting
could work through, amend and debate all contentious warrants up to an
actual vote.  At a certain point when a warrant is ready to vote, the
moderator should table the vote until the continuation of the 2nd day of
the town meeting.  Information about the 1st day's work will be posted
online with a video that voters would be able to review.  The 2nd day of
only voting would be a couple of days after the first and begin at a set
time and be finished hopefully after only spending a couple of minutes per
vote if the Town purchases electronic voting devices.

Peter Buchthal
Weston Rd



On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 9:01 AM Andy Wang  wrote:

> As of March, according to the election results.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 8:36 AM Garrick Niemiec <
> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:52 PM Garrick Niemiec <
>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 5000 voters are on record
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:36 PM Barbara Low 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought there were about 5000 residents, not voters.
>>>>  Does anyone know the actual number of voters?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
>>>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>>> ------------------
>>>> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Sara
>>>> Mattes 
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 8:22:46 PM
>>>> *To:* Garrick Niemiec 
>>>> *Cc:* Lincoln Talk 
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM
>>>>
>>>> Most towns do NOT do this.
>>>> Laws which govern Open Town Meeting towns  are the determining factors.
>>>> Perhaps all who want to come up with some new concepts should get
>>>> together, like LRHA, and research and propose to the town.
>>>> That would be really instructive and constructive.
>>>>
>>>> March will have a ballot, in addition to the TM vote -to approve the $$
>>>> for the Community Center.
>>>> One could skip TM and simply vote at the ballot box the following
>>>> Monday.
>>>>
>>>> Again, I urge all who are interested in this issue to form a study
>>>> group and see what options are available.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sara Mattes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Garrick Niemiec <
>>>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I couldn't disagree more...we need to make voting accessable...time for
>>>> change Sara.. time for change 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[dgloew--- via Lincoln]

I had thought (could be wrong) that Hanscom residents vote in Lincoln.  That 
could explain the 5000 registered voters.
It is unlikely that residents of Hanscom would be motivated to attend town 
meeting and vote on local Lincoln issues.
I’d love to  know if this could be the case. 
Davida Loewenstein


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On Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 8:36 AM, Garrick Niemiec 
 wrote:


On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:52 PM Garrick Niemiec  
wrote:

5000 voters are on record
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:36 PM Barbara Low  wrote:

I thought there were about 5000 residents, not voters. Does anyone know the 
actual number of voters?
Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
Get Outlook for AndroidFrom: Lincoln  on 
behalf of Sara Mattes 
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 8:22:46 PM
To: Garrick Niemiec 
Cc: Lincoln Talk 
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM Most towns do NOT 
do this.Laws which govern Open Town Meeting towns  are the determining 
factors.Perhaps all who want to come up with some new concepts should get 
together, like LRHA, and research and propose to the town.That would be really 
instructive and constructive.
March will have a ballot, in addition to the TM vote -to approve the $$ for the 
Community Center.One could skip TM and simply vote at the ballot box the 
following Monday.
Again, I urge all who are interested in this issue to form a study group and 
see what options are available.

--
Sara Mattes





On Dec 11, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Garrick Niemiec  
wrote:
I couldn't disagree more...we need to make voting accessable...time for change 
Sara.. time for change now. Let us vote electronically...all of us remotely.  
C'mon most towns do it now.  
New comers including  my family all recognize this!
The system is sooo antiquated.
Join us now before the march town meeting fails us again!  Again and again and 
again!
As a good friend said at STM we are not spending our money wisely!  You know 
that...a school project for 30M turns into 100 M. Driven by current Lincoln 
politics including selects.  Yikes!
Now RLF is bankrupt? What's going on here.  We're in a tailspin.  Any ideas?
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 6:53 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:

Garrick,Town Meeting is open to all who care enough to attend.It not a 
drive-by!When people make noise about wanting a secret ballot at a ballot box, 
there is no evidence that indicates a huge leap in participation!I don’t like 
the way thing unfolded or the (predictable) outcome, but it was not because 
voting was not available tall.

--
Sara Mattes





On Dec 11, 2023, at 5:53 PM, Garrick Niemiec  
wrote:
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[Andy Wang]

As of March, according to the election results.

Andy






On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 8:36 AM Garrick Niemiec 
wrote:

>
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:52 PM Garrick Niemiec 
> wrote:
>
>> 5000 voters are on record
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:36 PM Barbara Low 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I thought there were about 5000 residents, not voters.
>>>  Does anyone know the actual number of voters?
>>>
>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
>>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>>> --
>>> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Sara
>>> Mattes 
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 8:22:46 PM
>>> *To:* Garrick Niemiec 
>>> *Cc:* Lincoln Talk 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM
>>>
>>> Most towns do NOT do this.
>>> Laws which govern Open Town Meeting towns  are the determining factors.
>>> Perhaps all who want to come up with some new concepts should get
>>> together, like LRHA, and research and propose to the town.
>>> That would be really instructive and constructive.
>>>
>>> March will have a ballot, in addition to the TM vote -to approve the $$
>>> for the Community Center.
>>> One could skip TM and simply vote at the ballot box the following Monday.
>>>
>>> Again, I urge all who are interested in this issue to form a study group
>>> and see what options are available.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sara Mattes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Garrick Niemiec <
>>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I couldn't disagree more...we need to make voting accessable...time for
>>> change Sara.. time for change now. Let us vote electronically...all of us
>>> remotely.  C'mon most towns do it now.
>>>
>>> New comers including  my family all recognize this!
>>>
>>> The system is sooo antiquated.
>>>
>>> Join us now before the march town meeting fails us again!  Again and
>>> again and again!
>>>
>>> As a good friend said at STM we are not spending our money wisely!  You
>>> know that...a school project for 30M turns into 100 M. Driven by current
>>> Lincoln politics including selects.  Yikes!
>>>
>>> Now RLF is bankrupt? What's going on here.  We're in a tailspin.  Any
>>> ideas?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 6:53 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>>
>>> Garrick,
>>> Town Meeting is open to all who care enough to attend.
>>> It not a drive-by!
>>> When people make noise about wanting a secret ballot at a ballot box,
>>> there is no evidence that indicates a huge leap in participation!
>>> I don’t like the way thing unfolded or the (predictable) outcome, but it
>>> was not because voting was not available tall.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sara Mattes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 5:53 PM, Garrick Niemiec <
>>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 5000 are registered voters...this is NOT the Lincoln way!!!
>>> --
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[Garrick Niemiec]

I couldn't disagree more...we need to make voting accessable...time for
change Sara.. time for change now. Let us vote electronically...all of us
remotely.  C'mon most towns do it now.

New comers including  my family all recognize this!

The system is sooo antiquated.

Join us now before the march town meeting fails us again!  Again and again
and again!

As a good friend said at STM we are not spending our money wisely!  You
know that...a school project for 30M turns into 100 M. Driven by current
Lincoln politics including selects.  Yikes!

Now RLF is bankrupt? What's going on here.  We're in a tailspin.  Any ideas?

On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 6:53 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> Garrick,
> Town Meeting is open to all who care enough to attend.
> It not a drive-by!
> When people make noise about wanting a secret ballot at a ballot box,
> there is no evidence that indicates a huge leap in participation!
> I don’t like the way thing unfolded or the (predictable) outcome, but it
> was not because voting was not available tall.
>
>
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2023, at 5:53 PM, Garrick Niemiec 
> wrote:
>
> 5000 are registered voters...this is NOT the Lincoln way!!!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[Barbara Low]

I thought there were about 5000 residents, not voters.
 Does anyone know the actual number of voters?

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From: Lincoln  on behalf of Sara Mattes 

Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 8:22:46 PM
To: Garrick Niemiec 
Cc: Lincoln Talk 
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

Most towns do NOT do this.
Laws which govern Open Town Meeting towns  are the determining factors.
Perhaps all who want to come up with some new concepts should get together, 
like LRHA, and research and propose to the town.
That would be really instructive and constructive.

March will have a ballot, in addition to the TM vote -to approve the $$ for the 
Community Center.
One could skip TM and simply vote at the ballot box the following Monday.

Again, I urge all who are interested in this issue to form a study group and 
see what options are available.


--
Sara Mattes




On Dec 11, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Garrick Niemiec  
wrote:

I couldn't disagree more...we need to make voting accessable...time for change 
Sara.. time for change now. Let us vote electronically...all of us remotely.  
C'mon most towns do it now.

New comers including  my family all recognize this!

The system is sooo antiquated.

Join us now before the march town meeting fails us again!  Again and again and 
again!

As a good friend said at STM we are not spending our money wisely!  You know 
that...a school project for 30M turns into 100 M. Driven by current Lincoln 
politics including selects.  Yikes!

Now RLF is bankrupt? What's going on here.  We're in a tailspin.  Any ideas?

On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 6:53 PM Sara Mattes 
mailto:samat...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Garrick,
Town Meeting is open to all who care enough to attend.
It not a drive-by!
When people make noise about wanting a secret ballot at a ballot box, there is 
no evidence that indicates a huge leap in participation!
I don’t like the way thing unfolded or the (predictable) outcome, but it was 
not because voting was not available tall.


--
Sara Mattes




On Dec 11, 2023, at 5:53 PM, Garrick Niemiec 
mailto:garrickniemiec...@gmail.com>> wrote:

5000 are registered voters...this is NOT the Lincoln way!!!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[Garrick Niemiec]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:52 PM Garrick Niemiec 
wrote:

> 5000 voters are on record
>
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:36 PM Barbara Low  wrote:
>
>> I thought there were about 5000 residents, not voters.
>>  Does anyone know the actual number of voters?
>>
>> Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
>> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg>
>> --
>> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Sara
>> Mattes 
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2023 8:22:46 PM
>> *To:* Garrick Niemiec 
>> *Cc:* Lincoln Talk 
>> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM
>>
>> Most towns do NOT do this.
>> Laws which govern Open Town Meeting towns  are the determining factors.
>> Perhaps all who want to come up with some new concepts should get
>> together, like LRHA, and research and propose to the town.
>> That would be really instructive and constructive.
>>
>> March will have a ballot, in addition to the TM vote -to approve the $$
>> for the Community Center.
>> One could skip TM and simply vote at the ballot box the following Monday.
>>
>> Again, I urge all who are interested in this issue to form a study group
>> and see what options are available.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sara Mattes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Garrick Niemiec 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I couldn't disagree more...we need to make voting accessable...time for
>> change Sara.. time for change now. Let us vote electronically...all of us
>> remotely.  C'mon most towns do it now.
>>
>> New comers including  my family all recognize this!
>>
>> The system is sooo antiquated.
>>
>> Join us now before the march town meeting fails us again!  Again and
>> again and again!
>>
>> As a good friend said at STM we are not spending our money wisely!  You
>> know that...a school project for 30M turns into 100 M. Driven by current
>> Lincoln politics including selects.  Yikes!
>>
>> Now RLF is bankrupt? What's going on here.  We're in a tailspin.  Any
>> ideas?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 6:53 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>> Garrick,
>> Town Meeting is open to all who care enough to attend.
>> It not a drive-by!
>> When people make noise about wanting a secret ballot at a ballot box,
>> there is no evidence that indicates a huge leap in participation!
>> I don’t like the way thing unfolded or the (predictable) outcome, but it
>> was not because voting was not available tall.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sara Mattes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 5:53 PM, Garrick Niemiec 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 5000 are registered voters...this is NOT the Lincoln way!!!
>> --
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[Garrick Niemiec]

On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:55 PM Garrick Niemiec 
wrote:

> It does not work...it's been tried here many times...
>
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 9:17 PM Anne Warner  wrote:
>
>> I’ve said this before and I will say it again: if there is an issue that
>> anyone believes should go to a town-wide ballot and for whatever reason it
>> is before town meeting, all that needs to happen is this: someone should
>> get up to the microphone at Town Meeting and say “I move that the Town
>> Meeting decide that this issue shall not be decided by the Town Meeting,
>> but rather submitted to a town wide ballot.” Someone should then
>> immediately second the motion. By Robert’s Rules of Order, the next
>> speakers at the meeting may ONLY address the motion (whether there should
>> be a town wide ballot) until a vote on that motion is held. If the
>> discussion gets too long, or if anyone wants to cut it short for whatever
>> reason, the next speaker should say “I call the question”. At that point a
>> vote MUST be had on the underlying motion re the town wide ballot.
>>
>> While the non-representative town meeting may be outmoded for today’s
>> busy world, if you know how it works and you are able to coordinate, you
>> can make things happen efficiently.
>>
>> I learned these things while a Selectman of the Town of Belmont, and they
>> work.
>>
>> Anne Warner
>>
>> - Sent from iPhone. Typed by thumb. Excuse misspellings!
>>
>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 8:33 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>> Most towns do NOT do this.
>> Laws which govern Open Town Meeting towns  are the determining factors.
>> Perhaps all who want to come up with some new concepts should get
>> together, like LRHA, and research and propose to the town.
>> That would be really instructive and constructive.
>>
>> March will have a ballot, in addition to the TM vote -to approve the $$
>> for the Community Center.
>> One could skip TM and simply vote at the ballot box the following Monday.
>>
>> Again, I urge all who are interested in this issue to form a study group
>> and see what options are available.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sara Mattes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Garrick Niemiec 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I couldn't disagree more...we need to make voting accessable...time for
>> change Sara.. time for change now. Let us vote electronically...all of us
>> remotely.  C'mon most towns do it now.
>>
>> New comers including  my family all recognize this!
>>
>> The system is sooo antiquated.
>>
>> Join us now before the march town meeting fails us again!  Again and
>> again and again!
>>
>> As a good friend said at STM we are not spending our money wisely!  You
>> know that...a school project for 30M turns into 100 M. Driven by current
>> Lincoln politics including selects.  Yikes!
>>
>> Now RLF is bankrupt? What's going on here.  We're in a tailspin.  Any
>> ideas?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 6:53 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>>> Garrick,
>>> Town Meeting is open to all who care enough to attend.
>>> It not a drive-by!
>>> When people make noise about wanting a secret ballot at a ballot box,
>>> there is no evidence that indicates a huge leap in participation!
>>> I don’t like the way thing unfolded or the (predictable) outcome, but it
>>> was not because voting was not available tall.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sara Mattes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 5:53 PM, Garrick Niemiec <
>>> garrickniemiec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 5000 are registered voters...this is NOT the Lincoln way!!!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[Sara Mattes]

Yes, the Clerk’s office has all this.

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> On Dec 11, 2023, at 9:36 PM, Barbara Low  wrote:
> 
> I thought there were about 5000 residents, not voters.
>  Does anyone know the actual number of voters?
> 
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> From: Lincoln  on behalf of Sara Mattes 
> 
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 8:22:46 PM
> To: Garrick Niemiec 
> Cc: Lincoln Talk 
> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM
>  
> Most towns do NOT do this.
> Laws which govern Open Town Meeting towns  are the determining factors.
> Perhaps all who want to come up with some new concepts should get together, 
> like LRHA, and research and propose to the town.
> That would be really instructive and constructive.
> 
> March will have a ballot, in addition to the TM vote -to approve the $$ for 
> the Community Center.
> One could skip TM and simply vote at the ballot box the following Monday.
> 
> Again, I urge all who are interested in this issue to form a study group and 
> see what options are available.
> 
> 
> --
> Sara Mattes
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Garrick Niemiec  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I couldn't disagree more...we need to make voting accessable...time for 
>> change Sara.. time for change now. Let us vote electronically...all of us 
>> remotely.  C'mon most towns do it now.  
>> 
>> New comers including  my family all recognize this!
>> 
>> The system is sooo antiquated.
>> 
>> Join us now before the march town meeting fails us again!  Again and again 
>> and again!
>> 
>> As a good friend said at STM we are not spending our money wisely!  You know 
>> that...a school project for 30M turns into 100 M. Driven by current Lincoln 
>> politics including selects.  Yikes!
>> 
>> Now RLF is bankrupt? What's going on here.  We're in a tailspin.  Any ideas?
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 6:53 PM Sara Mattes > <mailto:samat...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Garrick,
>> Town Meeting is open to all who care enough to attend.
>> It not a drive-by!
>> When people make noise about wanting a secret ballot at a ballot box, there 
>> is no evidence that indicates a huge leap in participation!
>> I don’t like the way thing unfolded or the (predictable) outcome, but it was 
>> not because voting was not available tall.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Sara Mattes
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 5:53 PM, Garrick Niemiec >> <mailto:garrickniemiec...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 5000 are registered voters...this is NOT the Lincoln way!!!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[Anne Warner]

I’ve said this before and I will say it again: if there is an issue that anyone believes should go to a town-wide ballot and for whatever reason it is before town meeting, all that needs to happen is this: someone should get up to the microphone at Town Meeting and say “I move that the Town Meeting decide that this issue shall not be decided by the Town Meeting, but rather submitted to a town wide ballot.” Someone should then immediately second the motion. By Robert’s Rules of Order, the next speakers at the meeting may ONLY address the motion (whether there should be a town wide ballot) until a vote on that motion is held. If the discussion gets too long, or if anyone wants to cut it short for whatever reason, the next speaker should say “I call the question”. At that point a vote MUST be had on the underlying motion re the town wide ballot. While the non-representative town meeting may be outmoded for today’s busy world, if you know how it works and you are able to coordinate, you can make things happen efficiently. I learned these things while a Selectman of the Town of Belmont, and they work. Anne Warner- Sent from iPhone. Typed by thumb. Excuse misspellings! On Dec 11, 2023, at 8:33 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:Most towns do NOT do this.Laws which govern Open Town Meeting towns  are the determining factors.Perhaps all who want to come up with some new concepts should get together, like LRHA, and research and propose to the town.That would be really instructive and constructive.March will have a ballot, in addition to the TM vote -to approve the $$ for the Community Center.One could skip TM and simply vote at the ballot box the following Monday.Again, I urge all who are interested in this issue to form a study group and see what options are available.
--Sara Mattes


On Dec 11, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Garrick Niemiec  wrote:I couldn't disagree more...we need to make voting accessable...time for change Sara.. time for change now. Let us vote electronically...all of us remotely.  C'mon most towns do it now.  New comers including  my family all recognize this!The system is sooo antiquated.Join us now before the march town meeting fails us again!  Again and again and again!As a good friend said at STM we are not spending our money wisely!  You know that...a school project for 30M turns into 100 M. Driven by current Lincoln politics including selects.  Yikes!Now RLF is bankrupt? What's going on here.  We're in a tailspin.  Any ideas?On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 6:53 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:Garrick,Town Meeting is open to all who care enough to attend.It not a drive-by!When people make noise about wanting a secret ballot at a ballot box, there is no evidence that indicates a huge leap in participation!I don’t like the way thing unfolded or the (predictable) outcome, but it was not because voting was not available tall.
--Sara Mattes


On Dec 11, 2023, at 5:53 PM, Garrick Niemiec  wrote:5000 are registered voters...this is NOT the Lincoln way!!!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[Sara Mattes]

Most towns do NOT do this.
Laws which govern Open Town Meeting towns  are the determining factors.
Perhaps all who want to come up with some new concepts should get together, 
like LRHA, and research and propose to the town.
That would be really instructive and constructive.

March will have a ballot, in addition to the TM vote -to approve the $$ for the 
Community Center.
One could skip TM and simply vote at the ballot box the following Monday.

Again, I urge all who are interested in this issue to form a study group and 
see what options are available.


--
Sara Mattes




> On Dec 11, 2023, at 8:09 PM, Garrick Niemiec  
> wrote:
> 
> I couldn't disagree more...we need to make voting accessable...time for 
> change Sara.. time for change now. Let us vote electronically...all of us 
> remotely.  C'mon most towns do it now.  
> 
> New comers including  my family all recognize this!
> 
> The system is sooo antiquated.
> 
> Join us now before the march town meeting fails us again!  Again and again 
> and again!
> 
> As a good friend said at STM we are not spending our money wisely!  You know 
> that...a school project for 30M turns into 100 M. Driven by current Lincoln 
> politics including selects.  Yikes!
> 
> Now RLF is bankrupt? What's going on here.  We're in a tailspin.  Any ideas?
> 
> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 6:53 PM Sara Mattes  > wrote:
>> Garrick,
>> Town Meeting is open to all who care enough to attend.
>> It not a drive-by!
>> When people make noise about wanting a secret ballot at a ballot box, there 
>> is no evidence that indicates a huge leap in participation!
>> I don’t like the way thing unfolded or the (predictable) outcome, but it was 
>> not because voting was not available tall.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Sara Mattes
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 11, 2023, at 5:53 PM, Garrick Niemiec >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 5000 are registered voters...this is NOT the Lincoln way!!!
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[LincolnTalk] Wow 800 Lincoln folk vote at STM

[Garrick Niemiec]

5000 are registered voters...this is NOT the Lincoln way!!!
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