Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[kliattaudi--- via Lincoln]

affordable is not the issue.  We supposedly have "affordable" healthcare yet 
more than 30 million americans do not have health care. And even those who do 
have so-called health care can't afford the co-pays, deductibles, premiums and 
thus even avoid what little so-called health care they have access to?   
The issue is US priorities.  Too much is spent on military weaponry, endless 
wars, death and destruction so there is little left for safe food, safe water, 
safe housing FOR ALL. Let alone addressing climate apocalypse - which is 
directly related to growing food on all levels.  I don't think DC or the State 
House care (or even know what) sustainable is.  Plus corruption is out of sight 
on all levels. It's all about the money.  
US priorities suck and as drawn up in DC and at the state House they do not 
reflect what the people want.  The "snotty" come in when too few seem to 
realize this in Lincoln even with all those degrees?  The elephant in the room? 
 Is the bubble that impenetrable. 
I suspect most in Lincoln CAN afford CODMAN, else they'd change it?.  But it 
surprises me that CODMAN doesn't provide anything for the food pantry for those 
who cannot afford $15 chicken for example. I can't wait to see the prices in 
the Bleak midwinter...  Will we still be discussing this?   Jean Palmer

-Original Message-
From: Leslie Turek 
To: Mary Crowe 
Cc: Lincoln Talk 
Sent: Thu, Jul 15, 2021 11:27 am
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

I think many of us would like to see sustainable agriculture and humane 
treatment of food animals at prices affordable to all. At the moment this is 
not possible. I think it’s important that some food producers are trying to 
develop new methods, and it’s great that those who can afford it are supporting 
those producers.  Especially when they are local, as having food produced close 
to where it’s consumed is better for all sorts of reasons. Others on tighter 
budgets may not be able to do this until the prices get more affordable, which 
hopefully they will in future if more of these methods are adopted by larger 
companies. I’m not sure what is snotty about any of this. 

Leslie Turek
Sent from my iPhone. Please pardon typos. 

On Jul 15, 2021, at 11:18 AM, Mary Crowe  wrote:



Well  said Sara ! Exactly what I was thinking.
Mary Crowe
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 11:25 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:

Cheryl,You should know that Codman, Drumlin, the Food Project and others in 
Lincoln are bringing food to families in need, both in Linocln and beyond.And 
those that can afford CCF prices also are asked to contribute to the Lincoln 
Food Pantry.Significant revenues are generated.
It is nonsense to expect all vendors to be able to charge the same prices for 
different products produced, marketed and distributed in radically different 
ways.And has been said many times, the are many choices all around us-all 
within 10 miles.
Yes, Lincoln has changed a lot over the 40 years I have been here. And I have 
been unhappy with some of it too.But, change is inevitable.None the less,  
there are still those who hold tightly to some solid core values that shaped us 
many years ago.And many of those values are at play today.
We struggle with income inequality, systemic racism, and other issues that are 
part of the larger community outside our bounds.
I am sorry that you interpret all this as  “snotty.”It seems we can’t win for 
trying.
Be the change you want to see.
Sara






On Jul 14, 2021, at 8:18 PM, cob via Lincoln  wrote:
 I grew up in Lincoln, and still have a property there.. I'm stunned and not,  
by the the comments on this thread, how privilege you are, questioning a 
cucumber to chicken prices, organic or not. My dad invested and had chickens on 
Codman farm,  4 decades ago. He did not have the stomach to kill chickens, so 
he opted out.I volunteer for a non-profit to bring food to families that have 
no choices, and yet we struggle to bring them fresh foods from farms to 
families,so they can eat as healthy as the Lincolnites.. No need to respond, 
just trying to keep Lincoln less snotty, then these emails appear. Might be too 
late. Cheryl In a message dated 7/14/2021 5:32:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
samat...@gmail.com writes: 
If on checks the labels and notes who is the producer, and then looks at 
websites, it is usually not hard to figure out. A casual Google search can show 
you images of organic “factory” farms.Here is an article touting the qualities 
of just such a farm.Judge for yourself.And as for the difference in cost of a 
chicken raised in one of these facilities and roaming around the Codman North 
fields…well, a picture says a thousand 
words:https://www.agdaily.com/insights/farm-babe-take-look-inside-organic-factory-farm/
  Here a link to one of the many organizations that rates organic producers and 
their products.You mights have to toggle around on the website to learn how 
they actually

Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[Leslie Turek]

I think many of us would like to see sustainable agriculture and humane 
treatment of food animals at prices affordable to all. At the moment this is 
not possible. I think it’s important that some food producers are trying to 
develop new methods, and it’s great that those who can afford it are supporting 
those producers.  Especially when they are local, as having food produced close 
to where it’s consumed is better for all sorts of reasons. Others on tighter 
budgets may not be able to do this until the prices get more affordable, which 
hopefully they will in future if more of these methods are adopted by larger 
companies. I’m not sure what is snotty about any of this. 

Leslie Turek

Sent from my iPhone. Please pardon typos. 

> On Jul 15, 2021, at 11:18 AM, Mary Crowe  wrote:
> 
> 
> Well  said Sara ! Exactly what I was thinking.
> 
> Mary Crowe
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 11:25 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>> Cheryl,
>> You should know that Codman, Drumlin, the Food Project and others in Lincoln 
>> are bringing food to families in need, both in Linocln and beyond.
>> And those that can afford CCF prices also are asked to contribute to the 
>> Lincoln Food Pantry.
>> Significant revenues are generated.
>> 
>> It is nonsense to expect all vendors to be able to charge the same prices 
>> for different products produced, marketed and distributed in radically 
>> different ways.
>> And has been said many times, the are many choices all around us-all within 
>> 10 miles.
>> 
>> Yes, Lincoln has changed a lot over the 40 years I have been here. 
>> And I have been unhappy with some of it too.
>> But, change is inevitable.
>> None the less,  there are still those who hold tightly to some solid core 
>> values that shaped us many years ago.
>> And many of those values are at play today.
>> 
>> We struggle with income inequality, systemic racism, and other issues that 
>> are part of the larger community outside our bounds.
>> 
>> I am sorry that you interpret all this as  “snotty.”
>> It seems we can’t win for trying.
>> 
>> Be the change you want to see.
>> 
>> Sara
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 14, 2021, at 8:18 PM, cob via Lincoln  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> I grew up in Lincoln, and still have a property there.. I'm stunned and 
>>> not,  by the the comments on this thread, how privilege you are, 
>>> questioning a cucumber to chicken prices, organic or not. My dad invested 
>>> and had chickens on Codman farm,  4 decades ago. He did not have the 
>>> stomach to kill chickens, so he opted out.
>>> I volunteer for a non-profit to bring food to families that have no 
>>> choices, and yet we struggle to bring them fresh foods from farms to 
>>> families,so they can eat as healthy as the Lincolnites.. 
>>> No need to respond, just trying to keep Lincoln less snotty, then these 
>>> emails appear. Might be too late.
>>>  
>>> Cheryl 
>>> In a message dated 7/14/2021 5:32:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
>>> samat...@gmail.com writes:
>>>  
>>> If on checks the labels and notes who is the producer, and then looks at 
>>> websites, it is usually not hard to figure out.
>>>  
>>> A casual Google search can show you images of organic “factory” farms.
>>> Here is an article touting the qualities of just such a farm.
>>> Judge for yourself.
>>> And as for the difference in cost of a chicken raised in one of these 
>>> facilities and roaming around the Codman North fields…well, a picture says 
>>> a thousand words:
>>> https://www.agdaily.com/insights/farm-babe-take-look-inside-organic-factory-farm/
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Here a link to one of the many organizations that rates organic producers 
>>> and their products.
>>> You mights have to toggle around on the website to learn how they actually 
>>> grade, but the info is there.
>>> https://www.cornucopia.org
>>>  
>>> We are lucky to have the choices we do, and we are lucky to have had town 
>>> folks who, decades ago, saw the value in preserving our agricultural 
>>> heritage and esp, and acted through the town’s purchase and preservation of 
>>> Codman Community Farm.
>>>  
>>> Best,
>>> Sara
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 14, 2021, at 3:42 PM, V Saleme  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, seeking specificity to your’ assurances such that I can make an 
>>> informed decision on where I purchase, cheers and thank you!
>>> —-
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:36 PM Sasha Golden  wrote:
>>> I can assure you that these are factory-farmed. You want to support an 
>>> industry that barely allows chickens to move before they die so you can 
>>> save a couple of bucks? Go ahead.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:01 PM AWH  wrote:
>>> For some cost comparisons, here are some prices for organic boneless  
>>> chicken breasts:
>>> Whole Foods 365 -
>>> Tray $7.99
>>> Value pack $6.99
>>> Lincoln Donelans Bell and Evans -
>>> Tray $12.99
>>>  
>>> What are the actual prices for Codman chicken?
>>> 
>>> On Jul 14, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Joan Kimball  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, but Whole Foods can 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[Mary Crowe]

Well  said Sara ! Exactly what I was thinking.

Mary Crowe

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 11:25 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> Cheryl,
> You should know that Codman, Drumlin, the Food Project and others in
> Lincoln are bringing food to families in need, both in Linocln and beyond.
> And those that can afford CCF prices also are asked to contribute to the
> Lincoln Food Pantry.
> Significant revenues are generated.
>
> It is nonsense to expect all vendors to be able to charge the same prices
> for different products produced, marketed and distributed in radically
> different ways.
> And has been said many times, the are many choices all around us-all
> within 10 miles.
>
> Yes, Lincoln has changed a lot over the 40 years I have been here.
> And I have been unhappy with some of it too.
> But, change is inevitable.
> None the less,  there are still those who hold tightly to some solid core
> values that shaped us many years ago.
> And many of those values are at play today.
>
> We struggle with income inequality, systemic racism, and other issues that
> are part of the larger community outside our bounds.
>
> I am sorry that you interpret all this as  “snotty.”
> It seems we can’t win for trying.
>
> Be the change you want to see.
>
> Sara
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2021, at 8:18 PM, cob via Lincoln 
> wrote:
>
>
> I grew up in Lincoln, and still have a property there.. I'm stunned and
> not,  by the the comments on this thread, how privilege you are,
> questioning a cucumber to chicken prices, organic or not. My dad invested
> and had chickens on Codman farm,  4 decades ago. He did not have the
> stomach to kill chickens, so he opted out.
> I volunteer for a non-profit to bring food to families that have no
> choices, and yet we struggle to bring them fresh foods from farms to
> families,so they can eat as healthy as the Lincolnites..
> No need to respond, just trying to keep Lincoln less snotty, then these
> emails appear. Might be too late.
>
> Cheryl
> In a message dated 7/14/2021 5:32:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> samat...@gmail.com writes:
>
>
> If on checks the labels and notes who is the producer, and then looks at
> websites, it is usually not hard to figure out.
>
> A casual Google search can show you images of organic “factory” farms.
> Here is an article touting the qualities of just such a farm.
> Judge for yourself.
> And as for the difference in cost of a chicken raised in one of these
> facilities and roaming around the Codman North fields…well, a picture says
> a thousand words:
>
> https://www.agdaily.com/insights/farm-babe-take-look-inside-organic-factory-farm/
>
>
> Here a link to one of the many organizations that rates organic producers
> and their products.
> You mights have to toggle around on the website to learn how they actually
> grade, but the info is there.
> https://www.cornucopia.org
>
> We are lucky to have the choices we do, and we are lucky to have had town
> folks who, decades ago, saw the value in preserving our agricultural
> heritage and esp, and acted through the town’s purchase and preservation of
> Codman Community Farm.
>
> Best,
> Sara
>
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2021, at 3:42 PM, V Saleme  wrote:
>
> OK, seeking specificity to your’ assurances such that I can make an
> informed decision on where I purchase, cheers and thank you!
> —-
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:36 PM Sasha Golden 
> wrote:
>
> I can assure you that these are factory-farmed. You want to support an
> industry that barely allows chickens to move before they die so you can
> save a couple of bucks? Go ahead.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:01 PM AWH  wrote:
>
> For some cost comparisons, here are some prices for organic boneless
>  chicken breasts:
> Whole Foods 365 -
> Tray $7.99
> Value pack $6.99
> Lincoln Donelans Bell and Evans -
> Tray $12.99
>
> What are the actual prices for Codman chicken?
>
> On Jul 14, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Joan Kimball  wrote:
>
> Yes, but Whole Foods can price lower because of quantity. You can see it
> in food and flower prices.  They are a national chain.  Codman and local
> farmers have  locally grown food.  Farm staff  need to be paid fairly for
> this labor intensive food. And so we can choose, as Sara says.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:16 AM Anne Warner  wrote:
>
> Stepping back from the commentary for a moment:  my sister was up visiting
> me in Lincoln recently, and I took her by Codman Farms.  She looked at the
> pricing, and was actually pretty shocked.  The prices were so much higher
> than even the most expensive of the local markets (Whole Foods) for
> identical foods, including organic items.  Her comment was "I guess I
> shouldn't be surprised. This is Lincoln, after all."  Really gave me
> pause
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10 AM Margaret Olson 
> wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, I looked at images of chicken for sale at butcher shops
> in the early 40s (pre-factory farmed chicken). Then I compared 1940 prices
> to current prices...and discovered that Codman Farm chicken is 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[Stephensakowich]

Can someone on federal living assistance programs afford to purchase anything 
there?

Stephen Sakowich
PO Box 462 
Lincoln • 01773
ssakow...@comcast.net
781•718•9601

> On Jul 14, 2021, at 8:29 PM, Anne Warner  wrote:
> 
> Completely agree. Anne Warner
> 
> - Sent from iPhone. Typed by thumb. Excuse misspellings! 
> 
>>> On Jul 14, 2021, at 8:22 PM, kliattaudi--- via Lincoln 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> thank you Cheryl for your honesty!  agree.  
>> Jean Palmer
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: cob via Lincoln 
>> To: samat...@gmail.com; bmwkbi...@gmail.com
>> Cc: lincoln@lincolntalk.org
>> Sent: Wed, Jul 14, 2021 8:18 pm
>> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive
>> 
>>  
>> I grew up in Lincoln, and still have a property there.. I'm stunned and not, 
>>  by the the comments on this thread, how privilege you are, questioning a 
>> cucumber to chicken prices, organic or not. My dad invested and had chickens 
>> on Codman farm,  4 decades ago. He did not have the stomach to kill 
>> chickens, so he opted out.
>> I volunteer for a non-profit to bring food to families that have no choices, 
>> and yet we struggle to bring them fresh foods from farms to families,so they 
>> can eat as healthy as the Lincolnites.. 
>> No need to respond, just trying to keep Lincoln less snotty, then these 
>> emails appear. Might be too late.
>>  
>> Cheryl 
>> In a message dated 7/14/2021 5:32:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
>> samat...@gmail.com writes:
>>  
>> If on checks the labels and notes who is the producer, and then looks at 
>> websites, it is usually not hard to figure out.
>>  
>> A casual Google search can show you images of organic “factory” farms.
>> Here is an article touting the qualities of just such a farm.
>> Judge for yourself.
>> And as for the difference in cost of a chicken raised in one of these 
>> facilities and roaming around the Codman North fields…well, a picture says a 
>> thousand words:
>> https://www.agdaily.com/insights/farm-babe-take-look-inside-organic-factory-farm/
>>  
>>  
>> Here a link to one of the many organizations that rates organic producers 
>> and their products.
>> You mights have to toggle around on the website to learn how they actually 
>> grade, but the info is there.
>> https://www.cornucopia.org
>>  
>> We are lucky to have the choices we do, and we are lucky to have had town 
>> folks who, decades ago, saw the value in preserving our agricultural 
>> heritage and esp, and acted through the town’s purchase and preservation of 
>> Codman Community Farm.
>>  
>> Best,
>> Sara
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 14, 2021, at 3:42 PM, V Saleme  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, seeking specificity to your’ assurances such that I can make an informed 
>> decision on where I purchase, cheers and thank you!
>> —-
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:36 PM Sasha Golden  wrote:
>> I can assure you that these are factory-farmed. You want to support an 
>> industry that barely allows chickens to move before they die so you can save 
>> a couple of bucks? Go ahead.
>> 
>>  
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:01 PM AWH  wrote:
>> For some cost comparisons, here are some prices for organic boneless  
>> chicken breasts:
>> Whole Foods 365 -
>> Tray $7.99
>> Value pack $6.99
>> Lincoln Donelans Bell and Evans -
>> Tray $12.99
>>  
>> What are the actual prices for Codman chicken?
>> 
>> On Jul 14, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Joan Kimball  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, but Whole Foods can price lower because of quantity. You can see it in 
>> food and flower prices.  They are a national chain.  Codman and local 
>> farmers have  locally grown food.  Farm staff  need to be paid fairly for 
>> this labor intensive food. And so we can choose, as Sara says.
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:16 AM Anne Warner  wrote:
>> Stepping back from the commentary for a moment:  my sister was up visiting 
>> me in Lincoln recently, and I took her by Codman Farms.  She looked at the 
>> pricing, and was actually pretty shocked.  The prices were so much higher 
>> than even the most expensive of the local markets (Whole Foods) for 
>> identical foods, including organic items.  Her comment was "I guess I 
>> shouldn't be surprised. This is Lincoln, after all."  Really gave me 
>> pause
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10 AM Margaret Olson  
>> wrote:
>> Out of curiosity, 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[Sara Mattes]

Cheryl,
You should know that Codman, Drumlin, the Food Project and others in Lincoln 
are bringing food to families in need, both in Linocln and beyond.
And those that can afford CCF prices also are asked to contribute to the 
Lincoln Food Pantry.
Significant revenues are generated.

It is nonsense to expect all vendors to be able to charge the same prices for 
different products produced, marketed and distributed in radically different 
ways.
And has been said many times, the are many choices all around us-all within 10 
miles.

Yes, Lincoln has changed a lot over the 40 years I have been here. 
And I have been unhappy with some of it too.
But, change is inevitable.
None the less,  there are still those who hold tightly to some solid core 
values that shaped us many years ago.
And many of those values are at play today.

We struggle with income inequality, systemic racism, and other issues that are 
part of the larger community outside our bounds.

I am sorry that you interpret all this as  “snotty.”
It seems we can’t win for trying.

Be the change you want to see.

Sara






> On Jul 14, 2021, at 8:18 PM, cob via Lincoln  wrote:
> 
>  
> I grew up in Lincoln, and still have a property there.. I'm stunned and not,  
> by the the comments on this thread, how privilege you are, questioning a 
> cucumber to chicken prices, organic or not. My dad invested and had chickens 
> on Codman farm,  4 decades ago. He did not have the stomach to kill chickens, 
> so he opted out.
> I volunteer for a non-profit to bring food to families that have no choices, 
> and yet we struggle to bring them fresh foods from farms to families,so they 
> can eat as healthy as the Lincolnites.. 
> No need to respond, just trying to keep Lincoln less snotty, then these 
> emails appear. Might be too late.
>  
> Cheryl 
> In a message dated 7/14/2021 5:32:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
> samat...@gmail.com writes:
>  
> If on checks the labels and notes who is the producer, and then looks at 
> websites, it is usually not hard to figure out.
>  
> A casual Google search can show you images of organic “factory” farms.
> Here is an article touting the qualities of just such a farm.
> Judge for yourself.
> And as for the difference in cost of a chicken raised in one of these 
> facilities and roaming around the Codman North fields…well, a picture says a 
> thousand words:
> https://www.agdaily.com/insights/farm-babe-take-look-inside-organic-factory-farm/
>  
> 
>  
>  
> Here a link to one of the many organizations that rates organic producers and 
> their products.
> You mights have to toggle around on the website to learn how they actually 
> grade, but the info is there.
> https://www.cornucopia.org 
>  
> We are lucky to have the choices we do, and we are lucky to have had town 
> folks who, decades ago, saw the value in preserving our agricultural heritage 
> and esp, and acted through the town’s purchase and preservation of Codman 
> Community Farm.
>  
> Best,
> Sara
>  
> 
> 
> On Jul 14, 2021, at 3:42 PM, V Saleme  > wrote:
> 
> OK, seeking specificity to your’ assurances such that I can make an informed 
> decision on where I purchase, cheers and thank you!
> —-
> 
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:36 PM Sasha Golden  > wrote:
> I can assure you that these are factory-farmed. You want to support an 
> industry that barely allows chickens to move before they die so you can save 
> a couple of bucks? Go ahead.
> 
>  
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:01 PM AWH  > wrote:
> For some cost comparisons, here are some prices for organic boneless  chicken 
> breasts:
> Whole Foods 365 -
> Tray $7.99
> Value pack $6.99
> Lincoln Donelans Bell and Evans -
> Tray $12.99
>  
> What are the actual prices for Codman chicken?
> 
> On Jul 14, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Joan Kimball  > wrote:
> 
> Yes, but Whole Foods can price lower because of quantity. You can see it in 
> food and flower prices.  They are a national chain.  Codman and local farmers 
> have  locally grown food.  Farm staff  need to be paid fairly for this labor 
> intensive food. And so we can choose, as Sara says.
>  
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:16 AM Anne Warner  > wrote:
> Stepping back from the commentary for a moment:  my sister was up visiting me 
> in Lincoln recently, and I took her by Codman Farms.  She looked at the 
> pricing, and was actually pretty shocked.  The prices were so much higher 
> than even the most expensive of the local markets (Whole Foods) for identical 
> foods, including organic items.  Her comment was "I guess I shouldn't be 
> surprised. This is Lincoln, after all."  Really gave me pause
> 
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10 AM Margaret Olson  > wrote:
> Out of curiosity, I looked 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[Jennie Morris via Lincoln]

  
  

 The basic difference, for me, is that I can walk down the road and see Codman 
chicken conditions for myself, no audit required. But for consumers in other 
communities it’s not so easy. If Costco is a trustworthy agent for them, that’s 
a good thing. But we could all eat less meat.
  

  
  
  
>   
> On Jul 14, 2021 at 10:05 AM,  mailto:bmwkbi...@gmail.com)>  wrote:
>   
>   
>   
> Costco's animal welfare policy. How does this compare? Anything demonstrably 
> better?  
>   
>   
>  POULTRY
>   
>   
>   
> Costco requires animal welfare audits at slaughter in accordance with the 
> National Chicken Council (NCC) Recommended Animal Handling Guidelines.
>   
> Costco also audits hatchery and grow‐out facilities.
>   
> Costco implements animal welfare audits for laying hens.  
>   
> Audits can include American Humane, Certified Humane and UEP audits.
>   
> Audits now extend in varying degrees to conventional cage, cage‐free and 
> organic housing systems
>   
>   
>   
> Costco has introduced the Costco Hen House Audit in the U.S. This audit tool 
> promotes a sense of responsibility and accountability to the supplier, and 
> provides a means for annual barn evaluations.  
>   
> Suppliers are required to audit each house twice a year using the Costco Hen 
> House app platform. The results are automatically transmitted to Costco upon 
> completion.
>   
> The app-based system gives visual examples of how to score each question as 
> needed.
>   
> The app requires the supplier to submit photo documentation for each question 
> along with the answer as applicable.
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:59 AM V Saleme   (mailto:bmwkbi...@gmail.com)>  wrote:
>   
> >   
> > Someone please poke holes at Costco organic chicken? Been buying there, 
> > happy to divert to a better alternative if it exists.
> >   
> >
> >   
> > Thanks.
> >   
> >
> >   
> >   
> > On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society  
> >  > (mailto:lincolnmahistoricalsoci...@gmail.com)>  wrote:
> >   
> > >  Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!
> > >   
> > >  You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, factory 
> > > farms, will of course be cheaper.
> > >  Any meat/chicken sold through chain stores will be cheaper.
> > >  You have that choice -it is locally available at Donelans, Market 
> > > Basket, Costco.
> > >  It is your choice.
> > >   
> > >  You get what you pay for.
> > >   
> > >  Sara
> > >   
> > >   >  On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:58 AM, garrick niemiec  
> > > mailto:gniem...@illinoisalumni.org)>  wrote:
> > >   >
> > >   >  Adam
> > >   >
> > >   >  What about the frozen chicken and beef...reasonable?
> > >   >  --
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[Rhonda Swain]

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:18 PM cob via Lincoln 
wrote:

>
> I grew up in Lincoln, and still have a property there.. I'm stunned and
> not,  by the the comments on this thread, how privilege you are,
> questioning a cucumber to chicken prices, organic or not. My dad invested
> and had chickens on Codman farm,  4 decades ago. He did not have the
> stomach to kill chickens, so he opted out.
> I volunteer for a non-profit to bring food to families that have no
> choices, and yet we struggle to bring them fresh foods from farms to
> families,so they can eat as healthy as the Lincolnites..
> No need to respond, just trying to keep Lincoln less snotty, then these
> emails appear. Might be too late.
>
> Cheryl
> In a message dated 7/14/2021 5:32:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> samat...@gmail.com writes:
>
>
> If on checks the labels and notes who is the producer, and then looks at
> websites, it is usually not hard to figure out.
>
> A casual Google search can show you images of organic “factory” farms.
> Here is an article touting the qualities of just such a farm.
> Judge for yourself.
> And as for the difference in cost of a chicken raised in one of these
> facilities and roaming around the Codman North fields…well, a picture says
> a thousand words:
>
> https://www.agdaily.com/insights/farm-babe-take-look-inside-organic-factory-farm/
>
>
> Here a link to one of the many organizations that rates organic producers
> and their products.
> You mights have to toggle around on the website to learn how they actually
> grade, but the info is there.
> https://www.cornucopia.org
>
> We are lucky to have the choices we do, and we are lucky to have had town
> folks who, decades ago, saw the value in preserving our agricultural
> heritage and esp, and acted through the town’s purchase and preservation of
> Codman Community Farm.
>
> Best,
> Sara
>
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2021, at 3:42 PM, V Saleme  wrote:
>
> OK, seeking specificity to your’ assurances such that I can make an
> informed decision on where I purchase, cheers and thank you!
> —-
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:36 PM Sasha Golden 
> wrote:
>
> I can assure you that these are factory-farmed. You want to support an
> industry that barely allows chickens to move before they die so you can
> save a couple of bucks? Go ahead.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:01 PM AWH  wrote:
>
> For some cost comparisons, here are some prices for organic boneless
>  chicken breasts:
> Whole Foods 365 -
> Tray $7.99
> Value pack $6.99
> Lincoln Donelans Bell and Evans -
> Tray $12.99
>
> What are the actual prices for Codman chicken?
>
> On Jul 14, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Joan Kimball  wrote:
>
> Yes, but Whole Foods can price lower because of quantity. You can see it
> in food and flower prices.  They are a national chain.  Codman and local
> farmers have  locally grown food.  Farm staff  need to be paid fairly for
> this labor intensive food. And so we can choose, as Sara says.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:16 AM Anne Warner  wrote:
>
> Stepping back from the commentary for a moment:  my sister was up visiting
> me in Lincoln recently, and I took her by Codman Farms.  She looked at the
> pricing, and was actually pretty shocked.  The prices were so much higher
> than even the most expensive of the local markets (Whole Foods) for
> identical foods, including organic items.  Her comment was "I guess I
> shouldn't be surprised. This is Lincoln, after all."  Really gave me
> pause
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10 AM Margaret Olson 
> wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, I looked at images of chicken for sale at butcher shops
> in the early 40s (pre-factory farmed chicken). Then I compared 1940 prices
> to current prices...and discovered that Codman Farm chicken is almost
> exactly the same price as chicken was in the 1940s.
>
> Chicken was once Sunday dinner food. It was, like Codman's chicken,
> flavorful and delicious. I looked and looked for pasture raised chicken and
> used to buy it from Whole Foods when they occasionally had it. I am SOOO
> happy that Codman has real chicken almost all the time. I strongly urge you
> all to try it, and just stop buying factory chicken. If you want a bland
> protein on which to impart other flavors use tofu. It is expensive - a
> problem we solved by eating much less meat. Better for our health, better
> for the environment, and the chickens lead a natural chicken life. If you
> care at all about the treatment of animals that alone is a reason to avoid
> anything except pasture raised chicken.
>
> "Organic" chicken is factory chicken that has been fed organic feed. One
> of the Michael Pollan books (apologies, I forget which one) described an
> "organic" chicken farm. It wasn't pretty - basically treating the building
> like a clean room.
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society <
> lincolnmahistoricalsoci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!
>
> You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[cob via Lincoln]

Thank you Jean,  I hope others will read and change their way..  stay well, In 
a message dated 7/14/2021 8:22:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
lincoln@lincolntalk.org writes: 
thank you Cheryl for your honesty!  agree.  Jean Palmer


-Original Message-
From: cob via Lincoln 
To: samat...@gmail.com; bmwkbi...@gmail.com
Cc: lincoln@lincolntalk.org
Sent: Wed, Jul 14, 2021 8:18 pm
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

 I grew up in Lincoln, and still have a property there.. I'm stunned and not,  
by the the comments on this thread, how privilege you are, questioning a 
cucumber to chicken prices, organic or not. My dad invested and had chickens on 
Codman farm,  4 decades ago. He did not have the stomach to kill chickens, so 
he opted out.I volunteer for a non-profit to bring food to families that have 
no choices, and yet we struggle to bring them fresh foods from farms to 
families,so they can eat as healthy as the Lincolnites.. No need to respond, 
just trying to keep Lincoln less snotty, then these emails appear. Might be too 
late. Cheryl In a message dated 7/14/2021 5:32:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
samat...@gmail.com writes: 
If on checks the labels and notes who is the producer, and then looks at 
websites, it is usually not hard to figure out. A casual Google search can show 
you images of organic “factory” farms.Here is an article touting the qualities 
of just such a farm.Judge for yourself.And as for the difference in cost of a 
chicken raised in one of these facilities and roaming around the Codman North 
fields…well, a picture says a thousand 
words:https://www.agdaily.com/insights/farm-babe-take-look-inside-organic-factory-farm/
  Here a link to one of the many organizations that rates organic producers and 
their products.You mights have to toggle around on the website to learn how 
they actually grade, but the info is there.https://www.cornucopia.org We are 
lucky to have the choices we do, and we are lucky to have had town folks who, 
decades ago, saw the value in preserving our agricultural heritage and esp, and 
acted through the town’s purchase and preservation of Codman Community Farm. 
Best,Sara 


On Jul 14, 2021, at 3:42 PM, V Saleme  wrote:
OK, seeking specificity to your’ assurances such that I can make an informed 
decision on where I purchase, cheers and thank you!—-
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:36 PM Sasha Golden  wrote:
I can assure you that these are factory-farmed. You want to support an industry 
that barely allows chickens to move before they die so you can save a couple of 
bucks? Go ahead.
 On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:01 PM AWH  wrote:
For some cost comparisons, here are some prices for organic boneless  chicken 
breasts:Whole Foods 365 -Tray $7.99Value pack $6.99Lincoln Donelans Bell and 
Evans -Tray $12.99 What are the actual prices for Codman chicken?

On Jul 14, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Joan Kimball  wrote:



Yes, but Whole Foods can price lower because of quantity. You can see it in 
food and flower prices.  They are a national chain.  Codman and local farmers 
have  locally grown food.  Farm staff  need to be paid fairly for this labor 
intensive food. And so we can choose, as Sara says. 

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:16 AM Anne Warner  wrote:
Stepping back from the commentary for a moment:  my sister was up visiting me 
in Lincoln recently, and I took her by Codman Farms.  She looked at the 
pricing, and was actually pretty shocked.  The prices were so much higher than 
even the most expensive of the local markets (Whole Foods) for identical foods, 
including organic items.  Her comment was "I guess I shouldn't be surprised. 
This is Lincoln, after all."  Really gave me pause
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10 AM Margaret Olson  wrote:
Out of curiosity, I looked at images of chicken for sale at butcher shops in 
the early 40s (pre-factory farmed chicken). Then I compared 1940 prices to 
current prices...and discovered that Codman Farm chicken is almost exactly the 
same price as chicken was in the 1940s.  Chicken was once Sunday dinner food. 
It was, like Codman's chicken, flavorful and delicious. I looked and looked for 
pasture raised chicken and used to buy it from Whole Foods when they 
occasionally had it. I am SOOO happy that Codman has real chicken almost all 
the time. I strongly urge you all to try it, and just stop buying factory 
chicken. If you want a bland protein on which to impart other flavors use tofu. 
It is expensive - a problem we solved by eating much less meat. Better for our 
health, better for the environment, and the chickens lead a natural chicken 
life. If you care at all about the treatment of animals that alone is a reason 
to avoid anything except pasture raised chicken. "Organic" chicken is factory 
chicken that has been fed organic feed. One of the Michael Pollan books 
(apologies, I forget which one) described an "organic" chicken farm. It wasn't 
pretty - basically treating the build

Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[kliattaudi--- via Lincoln]

thank you Cheryl for your honesty!  agree.  Jean Palmer


-Original Message-
From: cob via Lincoln 
To: samat...@gmail.com; bmwkbi...@gmail.com
Cc: lincoln@lincolntalk.org
Sent: Wed, Jul 14, 2021 8:18 pm
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

 I grew up in Lincoln, and still have a property there.. I'm stunned and not,  
by the the comments on this thread, how privilege you are, questioning a 
cucumber to chicken prices, organic or not. My dad invested and had chickens on 
Codman farm,  4 decades ago. He did not have the stomach to kill chickens, so 
he opted out.I volunteer for a non-profit to bring food to families that have 
no choices, and yet we struggle to bring them fresh foods from farms to 
families,so they can eat as healthy as the Lincolnites.. No need to respond, 
just trying to keep Lincoln less snotty, then these emails appear. Might be too 
late. Cheryl In a message dated 7/14/2021 5:32:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
samat...@gmail.com writes: 
If on checks the labels and notes who is the producer, and then looks at 
websites, it is usually not hard to figure out. A casual Google search can show 
you images of organic “factory” farms.Here is an article touting the qualities 
of just such a farm.Judge for yourself.And as for the difference in cost of a 
chicken raised in one of these facilities and roaming around the Codman North 
fields…well, a picture says a thousand 
words:https://www.agdaily.com/insights/farm-babe-take-look-inside-organic-factory-farm/
  Here a link to one of the many organizations that rates organic producers and 
their products.You mights have to toggle around on the website to learn how 
they actually grade, but the info is there.https://www.cornucopia.org We are 
lucky to have the choices we do, and we are lucky to have had town folks who, 
decades ago, saw the value in preserving our agricultural heritage and esp, and 
acted through the town’s purchase and preservation of Codman Community Farm. 
Best,Sara 


On Jul 14, 2021, at 3:42 PM, V Saleme  wrote:
OK, seeking specificity to your’ assurances such that I can make an informed 
decision on where I purchase, cheers and thank you!—-
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:36 PM Sasha Golden  wrote:
I can assure you that these are factory-farmed. You want to support an industry 
that barely allows chickens to move before they die so you can save a couple of 
bucks? Go ahead.
 On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:01 PM AWH  wrote:
For some cost comparisons, here are some prices for organic boneless  chicken 
breasts:Whole Foods 365 -Tray $7.99Value pack $6.99Lincoln Donelans Bell and 
Evans -Tray $12.99 What are the actual prices for Codman chicken?

On Jul 14, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Joan Kimball  wrote:



Yes, but Whole Foods can price lower because of quantity. You can see it in 
food and flower prices.  They are a national chain.  Codman and local farmers 
have  locally grown food.  Farm staff  need to be paid fairly for this labor 
intensive food. And so we can choose, as Sara says. 

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:16 AM Anne Warner  wrote:
Stepping back from the commentary for a moment:  my sister was up visiting me 
in Lincoln recently, and I took her by Codman Farms.  She looked at the 
pricing, and was actually pretty shocked.  The prices were so much higher than 
even the most expensive of the local markets (Whole Foods) for identical foods, 
including organic items.  Her comment was "I guess I shouldn't be surprised. 
This is Lincoln, after all."  Really gave me pause
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10 AM Margaret Olson  wrote:
Out of curiosity, I looked at images of chicken for sale at butcher shops in 
the early 40s (pre-factory farmed chicken). Then I compared 1940 prices to 
current prices...and discovered that Codman Farm chicken is almost exactly the 
same price as chicken was in the 1940s.  Chicken was once Sunday dinner food. 
It was, like Codman's chicken, flavorful and delicious. I looked and looked for 
pasture raised chicken and used to buy it from Whole Foods when they 
occasionally had it. I am SOOO happy that Codman has real chicken almost all 
the time. I strongly urge you all to try it, and just stop buying factory 
chicken. If you want a bland protein on which to impart other flavors use tofu. 
It is expensive - a problem we solved by eating much less meat. Better for our 
health, better for the environment, and the chickens lead a natural chicken 
life. If you care at all about the treatment of animals that alone is a reason 
to avoid anything except pasture raised chicken. "Organic" chicken is factory 
chicken that has been fed organic feed. One of the Michael Pollan books 
(apologies, I forget which one) described an "organic" chicken farm. It wasn't 
pretty - basically treating the building  like a clean room.
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society 
 wrote:
Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!

You have many choices - meat and chic

Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[cob via Lincoln]

 I grew up in Lincoln, and still have a property there.. I'm stunned and not,  
by the the comments on this thread, how privilege you are, questioning a 
cucumber to chicken prices, organic or not. My dad invested and had chickens on 
Codman farm,  4 decades ago. He did not have the stomach to kill chickens, so 
he opted out.I volunteer for a non-profit to bring food to families that have 
no choices, and yet we struggle to bring them fresh foods from farms to 
families,so they can eat as healthy as the Lincolnites.. No need to respond, 
just trying to keep Lincoln less snotty, then these emails appear. Might be too 
late. Cheryl In a message dated 7/14/2021 5:32:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
samat...@gmail.com writes: 
If on checks the labels and notes who is the producer, and then looks at 
websites, it is usually not hard to figure out. A casual Google search can show 
you images of organic “factory” farms.Here is an article touting the qualities 
of just such a farm.Judge for yourself.And as for the difference in cost of a 
chicken raised in one of these facilities and roaming around the Codman North 
fields…well, a picture says a thousand 
words:https://www.agdaily.com/insights/farm-babe-take-look-inside-organic-factory-farm/
  Here a link to one of the many organizations that rates organic producers and 
their products.You mights have to toggle around on the website to learn how 
they actually grade, but the info is there.https://www.cornucopia.org We are 
lucky to have the choices we do, and we are lucky to have had town folks who, 
decades ago, saw the value in preserving our agricultural heritage and esp, and 
acted through the town’s purchase and preservation of Codman Community Farm. 
Best,Sara 


On Jul 14, 2021, at 3:42 PM, V Saleme  wrote:
OK, seeking specificity to your’ assurances such that I can make an informed 
decision on where I purchase, cheers and thank you!—-
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:36 PM Sasha Golden  wrote:
I can assure you that these are factory-farmed. You want to support an industry 
that barely allows chickens to move before they die so you can save a couple of 
bucks? Go ahead.
 On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:01 PM AWH  wrote:
For some cost comparisons, here are some prices for organic boneless  chicken 
breasts:Whole Foods 365 -Tray $7.99Value pack $6.99Lincoln Donelans Bell and 
Evans -Tray $12.99 What are the actual prices for Codman chicken?

On Jul 14, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Joan Kimball  wrote:



Yes, but Whole Foods can price lower because of quantity. You can see it in 
food and flower prices.  They are a national chain.  Codman and local farmers 
have  locally grown food.  Farm staff  need to be paid fairly for this labor 
intensive food. And so we can choose, as Sara says. 

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:16 AM Anne Warner  wrote:
Stepping back from the commentary for a moment:  my sister was up visiting me 
in Lincoln recently, and I took her by Codman Farms.  She looked at the 
pricing, and was actually pretty shocked.  The prices were so much higher than 
even the most expensive of the local markets (Whole Foods) for identical foods, 
including organic items.  Her comment was "I guess I shouldn't be surprised. 
This is Lincoln, after all."  Really gave me pause
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10 AM Margaret Olson  wrote:
Out of curiosity, I looked at images of chicken for sale at butcher shops in 
the early 40s (pre-factory farmed chicken). Then I compared 1940 prices to 
current prices...and discovered that Codman Farm chicken is almost exactly the 
same price as chicken was in the 1940s.  Chicken was once Sunday dinner food. 
It was, like Codman's chicken, flavorful and delicious. I looked and looked for 
pasture raised chicken and used to buy it from Whole Foods when they 
occasionally had it. I am SOOO happy that Codman has real chicken almost all 
the time. I strongly urge you all to try it, and just stop buying factory 
chicken. If you want a bland protein on which to impart other flavors use tofu. 
It is expensive - a problem we solved by eating much less meat. Better for our 
health, better for the environment, and the chickens lead a natural chicken 
life. If you care at all about the treatment of animals that alone is a reason 
to avoid anything except pasture raised chicken. "Organic" chicken is factory 
chicken that has been fed organic feed. One of the Michael Pollan books 
(apologies, I forget which one) described an "organic" chicken farm. It wasn't 
pretty - basically treating the building  like a clean room.
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society 
 wrote:
Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!

You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, factory farms, will 
of course be cheaper.
Any meat/chicken sold through chain stores will be cheaper.
You have that choice -it is locally available at Donelans, Market Basket, 
Costco.
It is your choice.

You get what you pay for.

Sara

> On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:58 AM, garrick niemiec  
> 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[Sara Mattes]

If on checks the labels and notes who is the producer, and then looks at 
websites, it is usually not hard to figure out.

A casual Google search can show you images of organic “factory” farms.
Here is an article touting the qualities of just such a farm.
Judge for yourself.
And as for the difference in cost of a chicken raised in one of these 
facilities and roaming around the Codman North fields…well, a picture says a 
thousand words:
https://www.agdaily.com/insights/farm-babe-take-look-inside-organic-factory-farm/
 



Here a link to one of the many organizations that rates organic producers and 
their products.
You mights have to toggle around on the website to learn how they actually 
grade, but the info is there.
https://www.cornucopia.org 

We are lucky to have the choices we do, and we are lucky to have had town folks 
who, decades ago, saw the value in preserving our agricultural heritage and 
esp, and acted through the town’s purchase and preservation of Codman Community 
Farm.

Best,
Sara



> On Jul 14, 2021, at 3:42 PM, V Saleme  wrote:
> 
> OK, seeking specificity to your’ assurances such that I can make an informed 
> decision on where I purchase, cheers and thank you!
> —-
> 
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:36 PM Sasha Golden  > wrote:
> I can assure you that these are factory-farmed. You want to support an 
> industry that barely allows chickens to move before they die so you can save 
> a couple of bucks? Go ahead.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:01 PM AWH  > wrote:
> For some cost comparisons, here are some prices for organic boneless  chicken 
> breasts:
> Whole Foods 365 -
> Tray $7.99
> Value pack $6.99
> Lincoln Donelans Bell and Evans -
> Tray $12.99
> 
> What are the actual prices for Codman chicken?
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Joan Kimball > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, but Whole Foods can price lower because of quantity. You can see it in 
>> food and flower prices.  They are a national chain.  Codman and local 
>> farmers have  locally grown food.  Farm staff  need to be paid fairly for 
>> this labor intensive food. And so we can choose, as Sara says.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:16 AM Anne Warner > > wrote:
>> Stepping back from the commentary for a moment:  my sister was up visiting 
>> me in Lincoln recently, and I took her by Codman Farms.  She looked at the 
>> pricing, and was actually pretty shocked.  The prices were so much higher 
>> than even the most expensive of the local markets (Whole Foods) for 
>> identical foods, including organic items.  Her comment was "I guess I 
>> shouldn't be surprised. This is Lincoln, after all."  Really gave me 
>> pause
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10 AM Margaret Olson > > wrote:
>> Out of curiosity, I looked at images of chicken for sale at butcher shops in 
>> the early 40s (pre-factory farmed chicken). Then I compared 1940 prices to 
>> current prices...and discovered that Codman Farm chicken is almost exactly 
>> the same price as chicken was in the 1940s. 
>> 
>> Chicken was once Sunday dinner food. It was, like Codman's chicken, 
>> flavorful and delicious. I looked and looked for pasture raised chicken and 
>> used to buy it from Whole Foods when they occasionally had it. I am SOOO 
>> happy that Codman has real chicken almost all the time. I strongly urge you 
>> all to try it, and just stop buying factory chicken. If you want a bland 
>> protein on which to impart other flavors use tofu. It is expensive - a 
>> problem we solved by eating much less meat. Better for our health, better 
>> for the environment, and the chickens lead a natural chicken life. If you 
>> care at all about the treatment of animals that alone is a reason to avoid 
>> anything except pasture raised chicken.
>> 
>> "Organic" chicken is factory chicken that has been fed organic feed. One of 
>> the Michael Pollan books (apologies, I forget which one) described an 
>> "organic" chicken farm. It wasn't pretty - basically treating the building  
>> like a clean room.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society 
>> > > wrote:
>> Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!
>> 
>> You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, factory farms, 
>> will of course be cheaper.
>> Any meat/chicken sold through chain stores will be cheaper.
>> You have that choice -it is locally available at Donelans, Market Basket, 
>> Costco.
>> It is your choice.
>> 
>> You get what you pay for.
>> 
>> Sara
>> 
>> > On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:58 AM, garrick niemiec > > > wrote:
>> > 
>> > Adam
>> > 
>> > What about the frozen chicken and beef...reasonable?
>> > -- 
>> > The LincolnTalk mailing list.
>> 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[Sasha Golden]

You can purchase what you want where you want. However, people don't
realize that "organic" and "humane" are not the same thing. That's all.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:42 PM V Saleme  wrote:

> OK, seeking specificity to your’ assurances such that I can make an
> informed decision on where I purchase, cheers and thank you!
> —-
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:36 PM Sasha Golden 
> wrote:
>
>> I can assure you that these are factory-farmed. You want to support an
>> industry that barely allows chickens to move before they die so you can
>> save a couple of bucks? Go ahead.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:01 PM AWH  wrote:
>>
>>> For some cost comparisons, here are some prices for organic boneless
>>>  chicken breasts:
>>> Whole Foods 365 -
>>> Tray $7.99
>>> Value pack $6.99
>>> Lincoln Donelans Bell and Evans -
>>> Tray $12.99
>>>
>>> What are the actual prices for Codman chicken?
>>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Joan Kimball  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Yes, but Whole Foods can price lower because of quantity. You can see it
>>> in food and flower prices.  They are a national chain.  Codman and local
>>> farmers have  locally grown food.  Farm staff  need to be paid fairly for
>>> this labor intensive food. And so we can choose, as Sara says.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:16 AM Anne Warner  wrote:
>>>
 Stepping back from the commentary for a moment:  my sister was up
 visiting me in Lincoln recently, and I took her by Codman Farms.  She
 looked at the pricing, and was actually pretty shocked.  The prices were so
 much higher than even the most expensive of the local markets (Whole Foods)
 for identical foods, including organic items.  Her comment was "I guess I
 shouldn't be surprised. This is Lincoln, after all."  Really gave me
 pause

 On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10 AM Margaret Olson 
 wrote:

> Out of curiosity, I looked at images of chicken for sale at butcher
> shops in the early 40s (pre-factory farmed chicken). Then I compared 1940
> prices to current prices...and discovered that Codman Farm chicken is
> almost exactly the same price as chicken was in the 1940s.
>
> Chicken was once Sunday dinner food. It was, like Codman's chicken,
> flavorful and delicious. I looked and looked for pasture raised chicken 
> and
> used to buy it from Whole Foods when they occasionally had it. I am SOOO
> happy that Codman has real chicken almost all the time. I strongly urge 
> you
> all to try it, and just stop buying factory chicken. If you want a bland
> protein on which to impart other flavors use tofu. It is expensive - a
> problem we solved by eating much less meat. Better for our health, better
> for the environment, and the chickens lead a natural chicken life. If you
> care at all about the treatment of animals that alone is a reason to avoid
> anything except pasture raised chicken.
>
> "Organic" chicken is factory chicken that has been fed organic feed.
> One of the Michael Pollan books (apologies, I forget which one) described
> an "organic" chicken farm. It wasn't pretty - basically treating
> the building  like a clean room.
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society <
> lincolnmahistoricalsoci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!
>>
>> You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, factory
>> farms, will of course be cheaper.
>> Any meat/chicken sold through chain stores will be cheaper.
>> You have that choice -it is locally available at Donelans, Market
>> Basket, Costco.
>> It is your choice.
>>
>> You get what you pay for.
>>
>> Sara
>>
>> > On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:58 AM, garrick niemiec <
>> gniem...@illinoisalumni.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Adam
>> >
>> > What about the frozen chicken and beef...reasonable?
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[Kathryn Anagnostakis]

There isn't currently any comparable chicken at grocery stores (maybe at
deborahs?) - organic and pasture raised are two totally different labels
and two totally different meanings.  I have not seen true pasture raised
chickens at Whole Foods for at least a year - and I check.

You cannot compare prices as below and think you are comparing similar
items. No shade to anyone buying that meat, I have no issues, just pointing
out that price comparisons like that simply are not accurate.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:36 PM Sasha Golden  wrote:

> I can assure you that these are factory-farmed. You want to support an
> industry that barely allows chickens to move before they die so you can
> save a couple of bucks? Go ahead.
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:01 PM AWH  wrote:
>
>> For some cost comparisons, here are some prices for organic boneless
>>  chicken breasts:
>> Whole Foods 365 -
>> Tray $7.99
>> Value pack $6.99
>> Lincoln Donelans Bell and Evans -
>> Tray $12.99
>>
>> What are the actual prices for Codman chicken?
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[V Saleme]

OK, seeking specificity to your’ assurances such that I can make an
informed decision on where I purchase, cheers and thank you!
—-

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 3:36 PM Sasha Golden  wrote:

> I can assure you that these are factory-farmed. You want to support an
> industry that barely allows chickens to move before they die so you can
> save a couple of bucks? Go ahead.
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:01 PM AWH  wrote:
>
>> For some cost comparisons, here are some prices for organic boneless
>>  chicken breasts:
>> Whole Foods 365 -
>> Tray $7.99
>> Value pack $6.99
>> Lincoln Donelans Bell and Evans -
>> Tray $12.99
>>
>> What are the actual prices for Codman chicken?
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Joan Kimball  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Yes, but Whole Foods can price lower because of quantity. You can see it
>> in food and flower prices.  They are a national chain.  Codman and local
>> farmers have  locally grown food.  Farm staff  need to be paid fairly for
>> this labor intensive food. And so we can choose, as Sara says.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:16 AM Anne Warner  wrote:
>>
>>> Stepping back from the commentary for a moment:  my sister was up
>>> visiting me in Lincoln recently, and I took her by Codman Farms.  She
>>> looked at the pricing, and was actually pretty shocked.  The prices were so
>>> much higher than even the most expensive of the local markets (Whole Foods)
>>> for identical foods, including organic items.  Her comment was "I guess I
>>> shouldn't be surprised. This is Lincoln, after all."  Really gave me
>>> pause
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10 AM Margaret Olson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Out of curiosity, I looked at images of chicken for sale at butcher
 shops in the early 40s (pre-factory farmed chicken). Then I compared 1940
 prices to current prices...and discovered that Codman Farm chicken is
 almost exactly the same price as chicken was in the 1940s.

 Chicken was once Sunday dinner food. It was, like Codman's chicken,
 flavorful and delicious. I looked and looked for pasture raised chicken and
 used to buy it from Whole Foods when they occasionally had it. I am SOOO
 happy that Codman has real chicken almost all the time. I strongly urge you
 all to try it, and just stop buying factory chicken. If you want a bland
 protein on which to impart other flavors use tofu. It is expensive - a
 problem we solved by eating much less meat. Better for our health, better
 for the environment, and the chickens lead a natural chicken life. If you
 care at all about the treatment of animals that alone is a reason to avoid
 anything except pasture raised chicken.

 "Organic" chicken is factory chicken that has been fed organic feed.
 One of the Michael Pollan books (apologies, I forget which one) described
 an "organic" chicken farm. It wasn't pretty - basically treating
 the building  like a clean room.

 On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society <
 lincolnmahistoricalsoci...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!
>
> You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, factory
> farms, will of course be cheaper.
> Any meat/chicken sold through chain stores will be cheaper.
> You have that choice -it is locally available at Donelans, Market
> Basket, Costco.
> It is your choice.
>
> You get what you pay for.
>
> Sara
>
> > On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:58 AM, garrick niemiec <
> gniem...@illinoisalumni.org> wrote:
> >
> > Adam
> >
> > What about the frozen chicken and beef...reasonable?
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[Sasha Golden]

I can assure you that these are factory-farmed. You want to support an
industry that barely allows chickens to move before they die so you can
save a couple of bucks? Go ahead.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:01 PM AWH  wrote:

> For some cost comparisons, here are some prices for organic boneless
>  chicken breasts:
> Whole Foods 365 -
> Tray $7.99
> Value pack $6.99
> Lincoln Donelans Bell and Evans -
> Tray $12.99
>
> What are the actual prices for Codman chicken?
>
> On Jul 14, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Joan Kimball  wrote:
>
> 
> Yes, but Whole Foods can price lower because of quantity. You can see it
> in food and flower prices.  They are a national chain.  Codman and local
> farmers have  locally grown food.  Farm staff  need to be paid fairly for
> this labor intensive food. And so we can choose, as Sara says.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:16 AM Anne Warner  wrote:
>
>> Stepping back from the commentary for a moment:  my sister was up
>> visiting me in Lincoln recently, and I took her by Codman Farms.  She
>> looked at the pricing, and was actually pretty shocked.  The prices were so
>> much higher than even the most expensive of the local markets (Whole Foods)
>> for identical foods, including organic items.  Her comment was "I guess I
>> shouldn't be surprised. This is Lincoln, after all."  Really gave me
>> pause
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10 AM Margaret Olson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Out of curiosity, I looked at images of chicken for sale at butcher
>>> shops in the early 40s (pre-factory farmed chicken). Then I compared 1940
>>> prices to current prices...and discovered that Codman Farm chicken is
>>> almost exactly the same price as chicken was in the 1940s.
>>>
>>> Chicken was once Sunday dinner food. It was, like Codman's chicken,
>>> flavorful and delicious. I looked and looked for pasture raised chicken and
>>> used to buy it from Whole Foods when they occasionally had it. I am SOOO
>>> happy that Codman has real chicken almost all the time. I strongly urge you
>>> all to try it, and just stop buying factory chicken. If you want a bland
>>> protein on which to impart other flavors use tofu. It is expensive - a
>>> problem we solved by eating much less meat. Better for our health, better
>>> for the environment, and the chickens lead a natural chicken life. If you
>>> care at all about the treatment of animals that alone is a reason to avoid
>>> anything except pasture raised chicken.
>>>
>>> "Organic" chicken is factory chicken that has been fed organic feed. One
>>> of the Michael Pollan books (apologies, I forget which one) described an
>>> "organic" chicken farm. It wasn't pretty - basically treating the building
>>> like a clean room.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society <
>>> lincolnmahistoricalsoci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!

 You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, factory
 farms, will of course be cheaper.
 Any meat/chicken sold through chain stores will be cheaper.
 You have that choice -it is locally available at Donelans, Market
 Basket, Costco.
 It is your choice.

 You get what you pay for.

 Sara

 > On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:58 AM, garrick niemiec <
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 >
 > Adam
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 > What about the frozen chicken and beef...reasonable?
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[V Saleme]

Sure it does, on Costco's site where this was gleaned from.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 10:53 AM Leslie Turek 
wrote:

> That policy doesn't actually state what the standards are. If you can
> access the NYT, this article gives a different picture.
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/06/opinion/sunday/costco-chicken-animal-welfare.html
>
> A few excerpts:
>
> Garcés wants Costco to sign up for the “Better Chicken Commitment,”
>  an industry promise to work
> toward slightly better standards for industrial agriculture. For example,
> each adult chicken would get at least one square foot of space, there would
> be some natural light and the company would avoid breeds that put on weight
> that the legs can’t support.
>
> Burger King, Popeyes, Chipotle, Denny’s and some 200 other food companies
> have embraced the Better Chicken Commitment, but grocery chains generally
> have not, with the exception of Whole Foods.
>
> And to be fair:
>
> In one respect, Costco has shown real leadership. The most barbaric part
> of the chicken industry is the traditional slaughtering process
> ,
> which results in some birds being boiled alive. To its credit, Costco has
> moved toward a far more humane approach called controlled atmosphere
> stunning, so that birds are stunned before being shackled to the conveyor
> belt that takes them to their deaths.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 10:05 AM V Saleme  wrote:
>
>> Costco's animal welfare policy. How does this compare? Anything
>> demonstrably better?
>>
>> POULTRY
>>
>>- Costco requires animal welfare audits at slaughter in accordance
>>with the National Chicken Council (NCC) Recommended Animal Handling
>>Guidelines.
>>- Costco also audits hatchery and grow‐out facilities.
>>- Costco implements animal welfare audits for laying hens.
>>   - Audits can include American Humane, Certified Humane and UEP
>>   audits.
>>   - Audits now extend in varying degrees to conventional cage,
>>   cage‐free and organic housing systems
>>- Costco has introduced the Costco Hen House Audit in the U.S. This
>>audit tool promotes a sense of responsibility and accountability to the
>>supplier, and provides a means for annual barn evaluations.
>>   - Suppliers are required to audit each house twice a year using
>>   the Costco Hen House app platform. The results are automatically
>>   transmitted to Costco upon completion.
>>   - The app-based system gives visual examples of how to score each
>>   question as needed.
>>   - The app requires the supplier to submit photo documentation for
>>   each question along with the answer as applicable.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:59 AM V Saleme  wrote:
>>
>>> Someone please poke holes at Costco organic chicken? Been buying there,
>>> happy to divert to a better alternative if it exists.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society <
>>> lincolnmahistoricalsoci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!

 You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, factory
 farms, will of course be cheaper.
 Any meat/chicken sold through chain stores will be cheaper.
 You have that choice -it is locally available at Donelans, Market
 Basket, Costco.
 It is your choice.

 You get what you pay for.

 Sara

 > On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:58 AM, garrick niemiec <
 gniem...@illinoisalumni.org> wrote:
 >
 > Adam
 >
 > What about the frozen chicken and beef...reasonable?
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[Nicholas Ribush]

Ah, the non-vegans' dilemmas. Choose cruelty-free.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:01 PM AWH  wrote:

> For some cost comparisons, here are some prices for organic boneless
>  chicken breasts:
> Whole Foods 365 -
> Tray $7.99
> Value pack $6.99
> Lincoln Donelans Bell and Evans -
> Tray $12.99
>
> What are the actual prices for Codman chicken?
>
> On Jul 14, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Joan Kimball  wrote:
>
> 
> Yes, but Whole Foods can price lower because of quantity. You can see it
> in food and flower prices.  They are a national chain.  Codman and local
> farmers have  locally grown food.  Farm staff  need to be paid fairly for
> this labor intensive food. And so we can choose, as Sara says.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:16 AM Anne Warner  wrote:
>
>> Stepping back from the commentary for a moment:  my sister was up
>> visiting me in Lincoln recently, and I took her by Codman Farms.  She
>> looked at the pricing, and was actually pretty shocked.  The prices were so
>> much higher than even the most expensive of the local markets (Whole Foods)
>> for identical foods, including organic items.  Her comment was "I guess I
>> shouldn't be surprised. This is Lincoln, after all."  Really gave me
>> pause
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10 AM Margaret Olson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Out of curiosity, I looked at images of chicken for sale at butcher
>>> shops in the early 40s (pre-factory farmed chicken). Then I compared 1940
>>> prices to current prices...and discovered that Codman Farm chicken is
>>> almost exactly the same price as chicken was in the 1940s.
>>>
>>> Chicken was once Sunday dinner food. It was, like Codman's chicken,
>>> flavorful and delicious. I looked and looked for pasture raised chicken and
>>> used to buy it from Whole Foods when they occasionally had it. I am SOOO
>>> happy that Codman has real chicken almost all the time. I strongly urge you
>>> all to try it, and just stop buying factory chicken. If you want a bland
>>> protein on which to impart other flavors use tofu. It is expensive - a
>>> problem we solved by eating much less meat. Better for our health, better
>>> for the environment, and the chickens lead a natural chicken life. If you
>>> care at all about the treatment of animals that alone is a reason to avoid
>>> anything except pasture raised chicken.
>>>
>>> "Organic" chicken is factory chicken that has been fed organic feed. One
>>> of the Michael Pollan books (apologies, I forget which one) described an
>>> "organic" chicken farm. It wasn't pretty - basically treating the building
>>> like a clean room.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society <
>>> lincolnmahistoricalsoci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!

 You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, factory
 farms, will of course be cheaper.
 Any meat/chicken sold through chain stores will be cheaper.
 You have that choice -it is locally available at Donelans, Market
 Basket, Costco.
 It is your choice.

 You get what you pay for.

 Sara

 > On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:58 AM, garrick niemiec <
 gniem...@illinoisalumni.org> wrote:
 >
 > Adam
 >
 > What about the frozen chicken and beef...reasonable?
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[AWH]

For some cost comparisons, here are some prices for organic boneless  chicken 
breasts:
Whole Foods 365 -
Tray $7.99
Value pack $6.99
Lincoln Donelans Bell and Evans -
Tray $12.99

What are the actual prices for Codman chicken?

> On Jul 14, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Joan Kimball  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, but Whole Foods can price lower because of quantity. You can see it in 
> food and flower prices.  They are a national chain.  Codman and local farmers 
> have  locally grown food.  Farm staff  need to be paid fairly for this labor 
> intensive food. And so we can choose, as Sara says.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:16 AM Anne Warner  wrote:
>> Stepping back from the commentary for a moment:  my sister was up visiting 
>> me in Lincoln recently, and I took her by Codman Farms.  She looked at the 
>> pricing, and was actually pretty shocked.  The prices were so much higher 
>> than even the most expensive of the local markets (Whole Foods) for 
>> identical foods, including organic items.  Her comment was "I guess I 
>> shouldn't be surprised. This is Lincoln, after all."  Really gave me 
>> pause
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10 AM Margaret Olson  
>>> wrote:
>>> Out of curiosity, I looked at images of chicken for sale at butcher shops 
>>> in the early 40s (pre-factory farmed chicken). Then I compared 1940 prices 
>>> to current prices...and discovered that Codman Farm chicken is almost 
>>> exactly the same price as chicken was in the 1940s. 
>>> 
>>> Chicken was once Sunday dinner food. It was, like Codman's chicken, 
>>> flavorful and delicious. I looked and looked for pasture raised chicken and 
>>> used to buy it from Whole Foods when they occasionally had it. I am SOOO 
>>> happy that Codman has real chicken almost all the time. I strongly urge you 
>>> all to try it, and just stop buying factory chicken. If you want a bland 
>>> protein on which to impart other flavors use tofu. It is expensive - a 
>>> problem we solved by eating much less meat. Better for our health, better 
>>> for the environment, and the chickens lead a natural chicken life. If you 
>>> care at all about the treatment of animals that alone is a reason to avoid 
>>> anything except pasture raised chicken.
>>> 
>>> "Organic" chicken is factory chicken that has been fed organic feed. One of 
>>> the Michael Pollan books (apologies, I forget which one) described an 
>>> "organic" chicken farm. It wasn't pretty - basically treating the building  
>>> like a clean room.
>>> 
 On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society 
  wrote:
 Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!
 
 You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, factory farms, 
 will of course be cheaper.
 Any meat/chicken sold through chain stores will be cheaper.
 You have that choice -it is locally available at Donelans, Market Basket, 
 Costco.
 It is your choice.
 
 You get what you pay for.
 
 Sara
 
 > On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:58 AM, garrick niemiec 
 >  wrote:
 > 
 > Adam
 > 
 > What about the frozen chicken and beef...reasonable?
 > -- 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[Bob Kupperstein]

Higher prices (with higher quality/natural methods) at Codman, might be an
issue if it was, or was attempting to be, the sole or main supplier of food
to the town.  It's not, it's just an option - as is Donelan's, Market
Basket, Costco, Stop and Shop, etc.

If we want to compare prices, a fairer comparison is Codman's meat
prices with Drumlin's and produce prices with local CSAs and farm stands.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 11:02 AM Anne Warner  wrote:

> I appreciate this. Thank you. Anne
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 10:39 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
>> You might point out to your sister that Lincoln has been on the fore in
>> building affordable housing and that, if my memory is correct, 14% of our
>> housing is certified “affordable,” - I trust others can correct that number.
>> Regardless, we have led the way.
>>
>> And, our investment in land, both as ag. and other, has served the region
>> well during the pandemic.
>> Our trails were heavily used by many looking for escape.
>> Our farms provided thousands of pounds of food for those in need.
>>
>> CCF was able to assist area farmers who otherwise lost access to sales
>> when restaurants closed… and we were the beneficiaries.
>> We had round-the-clock, COVID- safe access to delicious, healthy food.
>> Yes, it cost more than deliveries from Walmart or the many other delivery
>> options.
>> But purchases helped sustain local economies and also producers whose
>> products were produced in a more environmentally sustainable way.
>> Perhaps you pay more for certain products, but you can reduce your
>> overall expenditures by shifting to a more plant-based diet, as noted by
>> someone else.
>> Your choice.
>>
>> So, to your original lament, it is all about looking at the big picture
>> and shifting the lens.
>>
>> Sara
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Anne Warner  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I do understand that there are all sorts of good reasons why Codman
>> charges so much.  I'm not quarreling with that line of reason.  I just
>> think it is sad that Lincoln has a reputation for being an expensive place.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:45 AM wayne vetrone  wrote:
>>
>>> This is an interesting thread because the cost and labor structure at
>>> Codman is very different from a typical retailer or privately owned farm.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:24 AM Joan Kimball 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes, but Whole Foods can price lower because of quantity. You can see
 it in food and flower prices.  They are a national chain.  Codman and local
 farmers have  locally grown food.  Farm staff  need to be paid fairly for
 this labor intensive food. And so we can choose, as Sara says.



 On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:16 AM Anne Warner 
 wrote:

> Stepping back from the commentary for a moment:  my sister was up
> visiting me in Lincoln recently, and I took her by Codman Farms.  She
> looked at the pricing, and was actually pretty shocked.  The prices were 
> so
> much higher than even the most expensive of the local markets (Whole 
> Foods)
> for identical foods, including organic items.  Her comment was "I guess I
> shouldn't be surprised. This is Lincoln, after all."  Really gave me
> pause
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10 AM Margaret Olson 
> wrote:
>
>> Out of curiosity, I looked at images of chicken for sale at butcher
>> shops in the early 40s (pre-factory farmed chicken). Then I compared 1940
>> prices to current prices...and discovered that Codman Farm chicken is
>> almost exactly the same price as chicken was in the 1940s.
>>
>> Chicken was once Sunday dinner food. It was, like Codman's chicken,
>> flavorful and delicious. I looked and looked for pasture raised chicken 
>> and
>> used to buy it from Whole Foods when they occasionally had it. I am SOOO
>> happy that Codman has real chicken almost all the time. I strongly urge 
>> you
>> all to try it, and just stop buying factory chicken. If you want a bland
>> protein on which to impart other flavors use tofu. It is expensive - a
>> problem we solved by eating much less meat. Better for our health, better
>> for the environment, and the chickens lead a natural chicken life. If you
>> care at all about the treatment of animals that alone is a reason to 
>> avoid
>> anything except pasture raised chicken.
>>
>> "Organic" chicken is factory chicken that has been fed organic feed.
>> One of the Michael Pollan books (apologies, I forget which one) described
>> an "organic" chicken farm. It wasn't pretty - basically treating
>> the building  like a clean room.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society <
>> lincolnmahistoricalsoci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!
>>>
>>> You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, factory

Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[Anne Warner]

I appreciate this. Thank you. Anne

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 10:39 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> You might point out to your sister that Lincoln has been on the fore in
> building affordable housing and that, if my memory is correct, 14% of our
> housing is certified “affordable,” - I trust others can correct that number.
> Regardless, we have led the way.
>
> And, our investment in land, both as ag. and other, has served the region
> well during the pandemic.
> Our trails were heavily used by many looking for escape.
> Our farms provided thousands of pounds of food for those in need.
>
> CCF was able to assist area farmers who otherwise lost access to sales
> when restaurants closed… and we were the beneficiaries.
> We had round-the-clock, COVID- safe access to delicious, healthy food.
> Yes, it cost more than deliveries from Walmart or the many other delivery
> options.
> But purchases helped sustain local economies and also producers whose
> products were produced in a more environmentally sustainable way.
> Perhaps you pay more for certain products, but you can reduce your overall
> expenditures by shifting to a more plant-based diet, as noted by someone
> else.
> Your choice.
>
> So, to your original lament, it is all about looking at the big picture
> and shifting the lens.
>
> Sara
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 14, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Anne Warner  wrote:
>
> 
> I do understand that there are all sorts of good reasons why Codman
> charges so much.  I'm not quarreling with that line of reason.  I just
> think it is sad that Lincoln has a reputation for being an expensive place.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:45 AM wayne vetrone  wrote:
>
>> This is an interesting thread because the cost and labor structure at
>> Codman is very different from a typical retailer or privately owned farm.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:24 AM Joan Kimball  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, but Whole Foods can price lower because of quantity. You can see it
>>> in food and flower prices.  They are a national chain.  Codman and local
>>> farmers have  locally grown food.  Farm staff  need to be paid fairly for
>>> this labor intensive food. And so we can choose, as Sara says.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:16 AM Anne Warner  wrote:
>>>
 Stepping back from the commentary for a moment:  my sister was up
 visiting me in Lincoln recently, and I took her by Codman Farms.  She
 looked at the pricing, and was actually pretty shocked.  The prices were so
 much higher than even the most expensive of the local markets (Whole Foods)
 for identical foods, including organic items.  Her comment was "I guess I
 shouldn't be surprised. This is Lincoln, after all."  Really gave me
 pause

 On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10 AM Margaret Olson 
 wrote:

> Out of curiosity, I looked at images of chicken for sale at butcher
> shops in the early 40s (pre-factory farmed chicken). Then I compared 1940
> prices to current prices...and discovered that Codman Farm chicken is
> almost exactly the same price as chicken was in the 1940s.
>
> Chicken was once Sunday dinner food. It was, like Codman's chicken,
> flavorful and delicious. I looked and looked for pasture raised chicken 
> and
> used to buy it from Whole Foods when they occasionally had it. I am SOOO
> happy that Codman has real chicken almost all the time. I strongly urge 
> you
> all to try it, and just stop buying factory chicken. If you want a bland
> protein on which to impart other flavors use tofu. It is expensive - a
> problem we solved by eating much less meat. Better for our health, better
> for the environment, and the chickens lead a natural chicken life. If you
> care at all about the treatment of animals that alone is a reason to avoid
> anything except pasture raised chicken.
>
> "Organic" chicken is factory chicken that has been fed organic feed.
> One of the Michael Pollan books (apologies, I forget which one) described
> an "organic" chicken farm. It wasn't pretty - basically treating
> the building  like a clean room.
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society <
> lincolnmahistoricalsoci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!
>>
>> You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, factory
>> farms, will of course be cheaper.
>> Any meat/chicken sold through chain stores will be cheaper.
>> You have that choice -it is locally available at Donelans, Market
>> Basket, Costco.
>> It is your choice.
>>
>> You get what you pay for.
>>
>> Sara
>>
>> > On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:58 AM, garrick niemiec <
>> gniem...@illinoisalumni.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Adam
>> >
>> > What about the frozen chicken and beef...reasonable?
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[Leslie Turek]

That policy doesn't actually state what the standards are. If you can
access the NYT, this article gives a different picture.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/06/opinion/sunday/costco-chicken-animal-welfare.html

A few excerpts:

Garcés wants Costco to sign up for the “Better Chicken Commitment,”
 an industry promise to work
toward slightly better standards for industrial agriculture. For example,
each adult chicken would get at least one square foot of space, there would
be some natural light and the company would avoid breeds that put on weight
that the legs can’t support.

Burger King, Popeyes, Chipotle, Denny’s and some 200 other food companies
have embraced the Better Chicken Commitment, but grocery chains generally
have not, with the exception of Whole Foods.

And to be fair:

In one respect, Costco has shown real leadership. The most barbaric part of
the chicken industry is the traditional slaughtering process
,
which results in some birds being boiled alive. To its credit, Costco has
moved toward a far more humane approach called controlled atmosphere
stunning, so that birds are stunned before being shackled to the conveyor
belt that takes them to their deaths.






On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 10:05 AM V Saleme  wrote:

> Costco's animal welfare policy. How does this compare? Anything
> demonstrably better?
>
> POULTRY
>
>- Costco requires animal welfare audits at slaughter in accordance
>with the National Chicken Council (NCC) Recommended Animal Handling
>Guidelines.
>- Costco also audits hatchery and grow‐out facilities.
>- Costco implements animal welfare audits for laying hens.
>   - Audits can include American Humane, Certified Humane and UEP
>   audits.
>   - Audits now extend in varying degrees to conventional cage,
>   cage‐free and organic housing systems
>- Costco has introduced the Costco Hen House Audit in the U.S. This
>audit tool promotes a sense of responsibility and accountability to the
>supplier, and provides a means for annual barn evaluations.
>   - Suppliers are required to audit each house twice a year using the
>   Costco Hen House app platform. The results are automatically 
> transmitted to
>   Costco upon completion.
>   - The app-based system gives visual examples of how to score each
>   question as needed.
>   - The app requires the supplier to submit photo documentation for
>   each question along with the answer as applicable.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:59 AM V Saleme  wrote:
>
>> Someone please poke holes at Costco organic chicken? Been buying there,
>> happy to divert to a better alternative if it exists.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society <
>> lincolnmahistoricalsoci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!
>>>
>>> You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, factory
>>> farms, will of course be cheaper.
>>> Any meat/chicken sold through chain stores will be cheaper.
>>> You have that choice -it is locally available at Donelans, Market
>>> Basket, Costco.
>>> It is your choice.
>>>
>>> You get what you pay for.
>>>
>>> Sara
>>>
>>> > On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:58 AM, garrick niemiec <
>>> gniem...@illinoisalumni.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Adam
>>> >
>>> > What about the frozen chicken and beef...reasonable?
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[Sara Mattes]

You might point out to your sister that Lincoln has been on the fore in 
building affordable housing and that, if my memory is correct, 14% of our 
housing is certified “affordable,” - I trust others can correct that number.
Regardless, we have led the way.

And, our investment in land, both as ag. and other, has served the region well 
during the pandemic.
Our trails were heavily used by many looking for escape.
Our farms provided thousands of pounds of food for those in need.

CCF was able to assist area farmers who otherwise lost access to sales when 
restaurants closed… and we were the beneficiaries.
We had round-the-clock, COVID- safe access to delicious, healthy food.
Yes, it cost more than deliveries from Walmart or the many other delivery 
options.
But purchases helped sustain local economies and also producers whose products 
were produced in a more environmentally sustainable way.
Perhaps you pay more for certain products, but you can reduce your overall 
expenditures by shifting to a more plant-based diet, as noted by someone else.
Your choice.

So, to your original lament, it is all about looking at the big picture and 
shifting the lens.

Sara

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 14, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Anne Warner  wrote:
> 
> 
> I do understand that there are all sorts of good reasons why Codman charges 
> so much.  I'm not quarreling with that line of reason.  I just think it is 
> sad that Lincoln has a reputation for being an expensive place.  
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:45 AM wayne vetrone  wrote:
>> This is an interesting thread because the cost and labor structure at Codman 
>> is very different from a typical retailer or privately owned farm.
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:24 AM Joan Kimball  wrote:
>>> Yes, but Whole Foods can price lower because of quantity. You can see it in 
>>> food and flower prices.  They are a national chain.  Codman and local 
>>> farmers have  locally grown food.  Farm staff  need to be paid fairly for 
>>> this labor intensive food. And so we can choose, as Sara says.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:16 AM Anne Warner  wrote:
 Stepping back from the commentary for a moment:  my sister was up visiting 
 me in Lincoln recently, and I took her by Codman Farms.  She looked at the 
 pricing, and was actually pretty shocked.  The prices were so much higher 
 than even the most expensive of the local markets (Whole Foods) for 
 identical foods, including organic items.  Her comment was "I guess I 
 shouldn't be surprised. This is Lincoln, after all."  Really gave me 
 pause
 
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10 AM Margaret Olson  
> wrote:
> Out of curiosity, I looked at images of chicken for sale at butcher shops 
> in the early 40s (pre-factory farmed chicken). Then I compared 1940 
> prices to current prices...and discovered that Codman Farm chicken is 
> almost exactly the same price as chicken was in the 1940s. 
> 
> Chicken was once Sunday dinner food. It was, like Codman's chicken, 
> flavorful and delicious. I looked and looked for pasture raised chicken 
> and used to buy it from Whole Foods when they occasionally had it. I am 
> SOOO happy that Codman has real chicken almost all the time. I strongly 
> urge you all to try it, and just stop buying factory chicken. If you want 
> a bland protein on which to impart other flavors use tofu. It is 
> expensive - a problem we solved by eating much less meat. Better for our 
> health, better for the environment, and the chickens lead a natural 
> chicken life. If you care at all about the treatment of animals that 
> alone is a reason to avoid anything except pasture raised chicken.
> 
> "Organic" chicken is factory chicken that has been fed organic feed. One 
> of the Michael Pollan books (apologies, I forget which one) described an 
> "organic" chicken farm. It wasn't pretty - basically treating the 
> building  like a clean room.
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society 
>>  wrote:
>> Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!
>> 
>> You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, factory 
>> farms, will of course be cheaper.
>> Any meat/chicken sold through chain stores will be cheaper.
>> You have that choice -it is locally available at Donelans, Market 
>> Basket, Costco.
>> It is your choice.
>> 
>> You get what you pay for.
>> 
>> Sara
>> 
>> > On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:58 AM, garrick niemiec 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Adam
>> > 
>> > What about the frozen chicken and beef...reasonable?
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[John F. Carr]

The book _The Dorito Effect_
(https://www.markschatzker.com/doritoeffect-home-page/) discusses the
change in chicken farming after WW2 when the industry decided to
optimize maximum pounds of meat per pound of feed in the shortest
possible time.  American consumers are impressed by size, by pounds
per dollar.

Tomatoes also make an appearance in the book.

On 7/14/21, Margaret Olson  wrote:
> Out of curiosity, I looked at images of chicken for sale at butcher shops
> in the early 40s (pre-factory farmed chicken). Then I compared 1940 prices
> to current prices...and discovered that Codman Farm chicken is almost
> exactly the same price as chicken was in the 1940s.
>
> Chicken was once Sunday dinner food. It was, like Codman's chicken,
> flavorful and delicious. I looked and looked for pasture raised chicken and
> used to buy it from Whole Foods when they occasionally had it. I am SOOO
> happy that Codman has real chicken almost all the time. I strongly urge you
> all to try it, and just stop buying factory chicken. If you want a bland
> protein on which to impart other flavors use tofu. It is expensive - a
> problem we solved by eating much less meat. Better for our health, better
> for the environment, and the chickens lead a natural chicken life. If you
> care at all about the treatment of animals that alone is a reason to avoid
> anything except pasture raised chicken.
>
> "Organic" chicken is factory chicken that has been fed organic feed. One of
> the Michael Pollan books (apologies, I forget which one) described an
> "organic" chicken farm. It wasn't pretty - basically treating the building
> like a clean room.
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[Anne Warner]

I do understand that there are all sorts of good reasons why Codman charges
so much.  I'm not quarreling with that line of reason.  I just think it is
sad that Lincoln has a reputation for being an expensive place.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:45 AM wayne vetrone  wrote:

> This is an interesting thread because the cost and labor structure at
> Codman is very different from a typical retailer or privately owned farm.
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:24 AM Joan Kimball  wrote:
>
>> Yes, but Whole Foods can price lower because of quantity. You can see it
>> in food and flower prices.  They are a national chain.  Codman and local
>> farmers have  locally grown food.  Farm staff  need to be paid fairly for
>> this labor intensive food. And so we can choose, as Sara says.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:16 AM Anne Warner  wrote:
>>
>>> Stepping back from the commentary for a moment:  my sister was up
>>> visiting me in Lincoln recently, and I took her by Codman Farms.  She
>>> looked at the pricing, and was actually pretty shocked.  The prices were so
>>> much higher than even the most expensive of the local markets (Whole Foods)
>>> for identical foods, including organic items.  Her comment was "I guess I
>>> shouldn't be surprised. This is Lincoln, after all."  Really gave me
>>> pause
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10 AM Margaret Olson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Out of curiosity, I looked at images of chicken for sale at butcher
 shops in the early 40s (pre-factory farmed chicken). Then I compared 1940
 prices to current prices...and discovered that Codman Farm chicken is
 almost exactly the same price as chicken was in the 1940s.

 Chicken was once Sunday dinner food. It was, like Codman's chicken,
 flavorful and delicious. I looked and looked for pasture raised chicken and
 used to buy it from Whole Foods when they occasionally had it. I am SOOO
 happy that Codman has real chicken almost all the time. I strongly urge you
 all to try it, and just stop buying factory chicken. If you want a bland
 protein on which to impart other flavors use tofu. It is expensive - a
 problem we solved by eating much less meat. Better for our health, better
 for the environment, and the chickens lead a natural chicken life. If you
 care at all about the treatment of animals that alone is a reason to avoid
 anything except pasture raised chicken.

 "Organic" chicken is factory chicken that has been fed organic feed.
 One of the Michael Pollan books (apologies, I forget which one) described
 an "organic" chicken farm. It wasn't pretty - basically treating
 the building  like a clean room.

 On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society <
 lincolnmahistoricalsoci...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!
>
> You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, factory
> farms, will of course be cheaper.
> Any meat/chicken sold through chain stores will be cheaper.
> You have that choice -it is locally available at Donelans, Market
> Basket, Costco.
> It is your choice.
>
> You get what you pay for.
>
> Sara
>
> > On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:58 AM, garrick niemiec <
> gniem...@illinoisalumni.org> wrote:
> >
> > Adam
> >
> > What about the frozen chicken and beef...reasonable?
> > --
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[V Saleme]

Costco's animal welfare policy. How does this compare? Anything
demonstrably better?

POULTRY

   - Costco requires animal welfare audits at slaughter in accordance with
   the National Chicken Council (NCC) Recommended Animal Handling Guidelines.
   - Costco also audits hatchery and grow‐out facilities.
   - Costco implements animal welfare audits for laying hens.
  - Audits can include American Humane, Certified Humane and UEP audits.
  - Audits now extend in varying degrees to conventional cage,
  cage‐free and organic housing systems
   - Costco has introduced the Costco Hen House Audit in the U.S. This
   audit tool promotes a sense of responsibility and accountability to the
   supplier, and provides a means for annual barn evaluations.
  - Suppliers are required to audit each house twice a year using the
  Costco Hen House app platform. The results are automatically
transmitted to
  Costco upon completion.
  - The app-based system gives visual examples of how to score each
  question as needed.
  - The app requires the supplier to submit photo documentation for
  each question along with the answer as applicable.


On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:59 AM V Saleme  wrote:

> Someone please poke holes at Costco organic chicken? Been buying there,
> happy to divert to a better alternative if it exists.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society <
> lincolnmahistoricalsoci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!
>>
>> You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, factory
>> farms, will of course be cheaper.
>> Any meat/chicken sold through chain stores will be cheaper.
>> You have that choice -it is locally available at Donelans, Market Basket,
>> Costco.
>> It is your choice.
>>
>> You get what you pay for.
>>
>> Sara
>>
>> > On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:58 AM, garrick niemiec <
>> gniem...@illinoisalumni.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Adam
>> >
>> > What about the frozen chicken and beef...reasonable?
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[wayne vetrone]

This is an interesting thread because the cost and labor structure at
Codman is very different from a typical retailer or privately owned farm.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:24 AM Joan Kimball  wrote:

> Yes, but Whole Foods can price lower because of quantity. You can see it
> in food and flower prices.  They are a national chain.  Codman and local
> farmers have  locally grown food.  Farm staff  need to be paid fairly for
> this labor intensive food. And so we can choose, as Sara says.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:16 AM Anne Warner  wrote:
>
>> Stepping back from the commentary for a moment:  my sister was up
>> visiting me in Lincoln recently, and I took her by Codman Farms.  She
>> looked at the pricing, and was actually pretty shocked.  The prices were so
>> much higher than even the most expensive of the local markets (Whole Foods)
>> for identical foods, including organic items.  Her comment was "I guess I
>> shouldn't be surprised. This is Lincoln, after all."  Really gave me
>> pause
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10 AM Margaret Olson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Out of curiosity, I looked at images of chicken for sale at butcher
>>> shops in the early 40s (pre-factory farmed chicken). Then I compared 1940
>>> prices to current prices...and discovered that Codman Farm chicken is
>>> almost exactly the same price as chicken was in the 1940s.
>>>
>>> Chicken was once Sunday dinner food. It was, like Codman's chicken,
>>> flavorful and delicious. I looked and looked for pasture raised chicken and
>>> used to buy it from Whole Foods when they occasionally had it. I am SOOO
>>> happy that Codman has real chicken almost all the time. I strongly urge you
>>> all to try it, and just stop buying factory chicken. If you want a bland
>>> protein on which to impart other flavors use tofu. It is expensive - a
>>> problem we solved by eating much less meat. Better for our health, better
>>> for the environment, and the chickens lead a natural chicken life. If you
>>> care at all about the treatment of animals that alone is a reason to avoid
>>> anything except pasture raised chicken.
>>>
>>> "Organic" chicken is factory chicken that has been fed organic feed. One
>>> of the Michael Pollan books (apologies, I forget which one) described an
>>> "organic" chicken farm. It wasn't pretty - basically treating the building
>>> like a clean room.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society <
>>> lincolnmahistoricalsoci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!

 You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, factory
 farms, will of course be cheaper.
 Any meat/chicken sold through chain stores will be cheaper.
 You have that choice -it is locally available at Donelans, Market
 Basket, Costco.
 It is your choice.

 You get what you pay for.

 Sara

 > On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:58 AM, garrick niemiec <
 gniem...@illinoisalumni.org> wrote:
 >
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[melinda bruno-smith]

not Whole Foods—Amazon.
Whole Foods has become a generic, unimaginative version of Bread and Circus.

  I remember the first health food store in nyc city —spring street in 
soho—creative, experimental, knowledgeable, purposeful, a little more 
expensive—somewhat like Codman…

my two cents
melinda

Sent from my iPhone
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On Jul 14, 2021, at 9:16 AM, Anne Warner  wrote:


Stepping back from the commentary for a moment:  my sister was up visiting me 
in Lincoln recently, and I took her by Codman Farms.  She looked at the 
pricing, and was actually pretty shocked.  The prices were so much higher than 
even the most expensive of the local markets (Whole Foods) for identical foods, 
including organic items.  Her comment was "I guess I shouldn't be surprised. 
This is Lincoln, after all."  Really gave me pause

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10 AM Margaret Olson 
mailto:s...@margaretolson.com>> wrote:
Out of curiosity, I looked at images of chicken for sale at butcher shops in 
the early 40s (pre-factory farmed chicken). Then I compared 1940 prices to 
current prices...and discovered that Codman Farm chicken is almost exactly the 
same price as chicken was in the 1940s.

Chicken was once Sunday dinner food. It was, like Codman's chicken, flavorful 
and delicious. I looked and looked for pasture raised chicken and used to buy 
it from Whole Foods when they occasionally had it. I am SOOO happy that Codman 
has real chicken almost all the time. I strongly urge you all to try it, and 
just stop buying factory chicken. If you want a bland protein on which to 
impart other flavors use tofu. It is expensive - a problem we solved by eating 
much less meat. Better for our health, better for the environment, and the 
chickens lead a natural chicken life. If you care at all about the treatment of 
animals that alone is a reason to avoid anything except pasture raised chicken.

"Organic" chicken is factory chicken that has been fed organic feed. One of the 
Michael Pollan books (apologies, I forget which one) described an "organic" 
chicken farm. It wasn't pretty - basically treating the building  like a clean 
room.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society 
mailto:lincolnmahistoricalsoci...@gmail.com>>
 wrote:
Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!

You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, factory farms, will 
of course be cheaper.
Any meat/chicken sold through chain stores will be cheaper.
You have that choice -it is locally available at Donelans, Market Basket, 
Costco.
It is your choice.

You get what you pay for.

Sara

> On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:58 AM, garrick niemiec 
> mailto:gniem...@illinoisalumni.org>> wrote:
>
> Adam
>
> What about the frozen chicken and beef...reasonable?
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[Joan Kimball]

Yes, but Whole Foods can price lower because of quantity. You can see it in
food and flower prices.  They are a national chain.  Codman and local
farmers have  locally grown food.  Farm staff  need to be paid fairly for
this labor intensive food. And so we can choose, as Sara says.



On Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 9:16 AM Anne Warner  wrote:

> Stepping back from the commentary for a moment:  my sister was up visiting
> me in Lincoln recently, and I took her by Codman Farms.  She looked at the
> pricing, and was actually pretty shocked.  The prices were so much higher
> than even the most expensive of the local markets (Whole Foods) for
> identical foods, including organic items.  Her comment was "I guess I
> shouldn't be surprised. This is Lincoln, after all."  Really gave me
> pause
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10 AM Margaret Olson 
> wrote:
>
>> Out of curiosity, I looked at images of chicken for sale at butcher shops
>> in the early 40s (pre-factory farmed chicken). Then I compared 1940 prices
>> to current prices...and discovered that Codman Farm chicken is almost
>> exactly the same price as chicken was in the 1940s.
>>
>> Chicken was once Sunday dinner food. It was, like Codman's chicken,
>> flavorful and delicious. I looked and looked for pasture raised chicken and
>> used to buy it from Whole Foods when they occasionally had it. I am SOOO
>> happy that Codman has real chicken almost all the time. I strongly urge you
>> all to try it, and just stop buying factory chicken. If you want a bland
>> protein on which to impart other flavors use tofu. It is expensive - a
>> problem we solved by eating much less meat. Better for our health, better
>> for the environment, and the chickens lead a natural chicken life. If you
>> care at all about the treatment of animals that alone is a reason to avoid
>> anything except pasture raised chicken.
>>
>> "Organic" chicken is factory chicken that has been fed organic feed. One
>> of the Michael Pollan books (apologies, I forget which one) described an
>> "organic" chicken farm. It wasn't pretty - basically treating the building
>> like a clean room.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society <
>> lincolnmahistoricalsoci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!
>>>
>>> You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, factory
>>> farms, will of course be cheaper.
>>> Any meat/chicken sold through chain stores will be cheaper.
>>> You have that choice -it is locally available at Donelans, Market
>>> Basket, Costco.
>>> It is your choice.
>>>
>>> You get what you pay for.
>>>
>>> Sara
>>>
>>> > On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:58 AM, garrick niemiec <
>>> gniem...@illinoisalumni.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Adam
>>> >
>>> > What about the frozen chicken and beef...reasonable?
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[Anne Warner]

Stepping back from the commentary for a moment:  my sister was up visiting
me in Lincoln recently, and I took her by Codman Farms.  She looked at the
pricing, and was actually pretty shocked.  The prices were so much higher
than even the most expensive of the local markets (Whole Foods) for
identical foods, including organic items.  Her comment was "I guess I
shouldn't be surprised. This is Lincoln, after all."  Really gave me
pause

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 9:10 AM Margaret Olson 
wrote:

> Out of curiosity, I looked at images of chicken for sale at butcher shops
> in the early 40s (pre-factory farmed chicken). Then I compared 1940 prices
> to current prices...and discovered that Codman Farm chicken is almost
> exactly the same price as chicken was in the 1940s.
>
> Chicken was once Sunday dinner food. It was, like Codman's chicken,
> flavorful and delicious. I looked and looked for pasture raised chicken and
> used to buy it from Whole Foods when they occasionally had it. I am SOOO
> happy that Codman has real chicken almost all the time. I strongly urge you
> all to try it, and just stop buying factory chicken. If you want a bland
> protein on which to impart other flavors use tofu. It is expensive - a
> problem we solved by eating much less meat. Better for our health, better
> for the environment, and the chickens lead a natural chicken life. If you
> care at all about the treatment of animals that alone is a reason to avoid
> anything except pasture raised chicken.
>
> "Organic" chicken is factory chicken that has been fed organic feed. One
> of the Michael Pollan books (apologies, I forget which one) described an
> "organic" chicken farm. It wasn't pretty - basically treating the building
> like a clean room.
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society <
> lincolnmahistoricalsoci...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!
>>
>> You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, factory
>> farms, will of course be cheaper.
>> Any meat/chicken sold through chain stores will be cheaper.
>> You have that choice -it is locally available at Donelans, Market Basket,
>> Costco.
>> It is your choice.
>>
>> You get what you pay for.
>>
>> Sara
>>
>> > On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:58 AM, garrick niemiec <
>> gniem...@illinoisalumni.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Adam
>> >
>> > What about the frozen chicken and beef...reasonable?
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[Margaret Olson]

Out of curiosity, I looked at images of chicken for sale at butcher shops
in the early 40s (pre-factory farmed chicken). Then I compared 1940 prices
to current prices...and discovered that Codman Farm chicken is almost
exactly the same price as chicken was in the 1940s.

Chicken was once Sunday dinner food. It was, like Codman's chicken,
flavorful and delicious. I looked and looked for pasture raised chicken and
used to buy it from Whole Foods when they occasionally had it. I am SOOO
happy that Codman has real chicken almost all the time. I strongly urge you
all to try it, and just stop buying factory chicken. If you want a bland
protein on which to impart other flavors use tofu. It is expensive - a
problem we solved by eating much less meat. Better for our health, better
for the environment, and the chickens lead a natural chicken life. If you
care at all about the treatment of animals that alone is a reason to avoid
anything except pasture raised chicken.

"Organic" chicken is factory chicken that has been fed organic feed. One of
the Michael Pollan books (apologies, I forget which one) described an
"organic" chicken farm. It wasn't pretty - basically treating the building
like a clean room.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society <
lincolnmahistoricalsoci...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!
>
> You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, factory farms,
> will of course be cheaper.
> Any meat/chicken sold through chain stores will be cheaper.
> You have that choice -it is locally available at Donelans, Market Basket,
> Costco.
> It is your choice.
>
> You get what you pay for.
>
> Sara
>
> > On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:58 AM, garrick niemiec <
> gniem...@illinoisalumni.org> wrote:
> >
> > Adam
> >
> > What about the frozen chicken and beef...reasonable?
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[V Saleme]

Someone please poke holes at Costco organic chicken? Been buying there,
happy to divert to a better alternative if it exists.

Thanks.

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 8:44 AM Lincoln Historical Society <
lincolnmahistoricalsoci...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!
>
> You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, factory farms,
> will of course be cheaper.
> Any meat/chicken sold through chain stores will be cheaper.
> You have that choice -it is locally available at Donelans, Market Basket,
> Costco.
> It is your choice.
>
> You get what you pay for.
>
> Sara
>
> > On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:58 AM, garrick niemiec <
> gniem...@illinoisalumni.org> wrote:
> >
> > Adam
> >
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Why are codman farm goods so expensive

[Lincoln Historical Society]

Given all Adam has described, yes indeed!

You have many choices - meat and chicken produced at large, factory farms, will 
of course be cheaper.
Any meat/chicken sold through chain stores will be cheaper.
You have that choice -it is locally available at Donelans, Market Basket, 
Costco.
It is your choice.

You get what you pay for.

Sara

> On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:58 AM, garrick niemiec  
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