auto-responses (was: Tom Shepherd - in IBM Meeting in Dallas April 24-26)
McKown, John wrote: I just checked, and it appears that this list (unlike many others) does indeed only send a single out of office per person. I wonder how they do that? It depends on the email-client/-setup, but typically it would work along the lines of vacation : check if an auto-response was sent to the sender in the last X days if yes, forget it. if no, send a response and record who it was sent to. However, I do maintain that it is impolite. Even if there is only a single email of this type per person, it is distributed to a LARGE audience. This costs the Marist university bandwidth, even if nothing else. It is perhaps a little impolite, yes, but bandwidth is cheap and the costs are negligible. Also, the list has only 1462 subscribers, it's not excessive. /Per Jessen -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: auto-responses
Grega Bremec wrote: Hehe, is this cynicism? :) Joke aside, what I find the most problematic about such auto-responses is that it's little bit promiscuous to begin with to have them turned on for lists. Perhaps, but the key thing is that you don't just turn it on for lists - you turn it on for your email-address, and selectively turning it off for mailing-lists is hassle and might not even be an option. Generally I certainly agree that it would be optimal if auto-replies were never sent to lists. However, when only one is sent it is much less of a problem. Also, I believe there are some auto-responders that are clever enough to detect when an email is sent from a mailing-list (perhaps they check for the presence of RFC2369 headers). /Per Jessen, Zurich -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Tom Shepherd - in IBM Meeting in Dallas April 24-26
McKown, John wrote: Then he should set up his list subscriptions as NOMAIL so that we don't get splattered with out of office emails. Did anyone get more than just the one? Most automatic reply-systems are set up to only respond once. Did you get splattered, John? /Per Jessen -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Where to ask a Linux/Intel question.
McKown, John wrote: Is there a reasonable place to ask an Linux/Intel question? I'm spoiled by this forum! Yeah, there are quite a few. Usually distribution-specific/dedicated. SUSE runs a number of different lists - for this kind of question I'd recommend suse-linux-e (-e meaning in english). http://lists.suse.com/ my old RedHat 9.0 system, running kernel 2.4.20-8, I can recover the mouse pointer by switching to a console (non-X) and running the mev program. I have the gpm daemon running on both SuSE and RH. Rebooting Linux to recover the mouse pointer is a bit extreme, but nothing else (even restarting the X server) does no good. Unloading/loading the proper modules? If you're using X, what good does the gpm daemon? I would also try stopping gpm altogether just to make sure it's not screwing things up. (I suspect it's a very seldom used feature). Per Jessen, Zurich -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Bonding
Johnny Tan wrote: Hi All, Recently, I have tried to do network teaming for two network cards to perform as one network for HA purpose. I found that SLES 8 includes bonding drivers. It works fine for SLES 8 on Intel. However, I encountered problem with SLES 8 on S390. Has anyone tried using bonding on SLES 8 (SP4) on S390 platform? I don't believe the bonding drivers are meant for a HA-setup, but more to be used to combine the bandwidth of two cards into one link. I can't say if bonding would work too, but normally you'd operate some sort of heartbeat mechanism and activate an ip-takeover in the case of a fault. Per Jessen, Zurich -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: forgotten command
Mike Lovins wrote: Will someone help an OLD person. I have forgotten the command that tells you the level SuSE you are currently running. cat /etc/SuSE-release Per Jessen, Zurich -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Just interested
Kenneth Libutti wrote: How many of you on this list are pure linux on mainframe hardware shops( not supporting z/os, mvs, or vse also)? I have no mainframe hardware around at all. I used to do lowlevel software engineering on MVS, TPF and occasionally VM, but now I work only on Linux. I did some work on the Hercules emulator and whilst working for an American software company a couple of years back, I also championed a well-known J2EE product on Linux/390. So my listening in here is mostly nostalgic and gives me the odd opportunity to say cat /etc/SuSE-release. :-) Per Jessen, Zurich -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: SAMBA questions
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:06:38 +1000, Garry Gladman wrote: 1. Can SAMBA handle nested global groups? 2. Are there reference sites and/or other IBM experience with SAMBA and Active Directory? 3. What mode should Active Directory run in in order to interface with SAMBA? The best place to ask is probably one of the Samba mailing-lists: http://www.samba.org/samba/ /Per Jessen, Zurich -- http://www.spamchek.com/freetrial - managed anti-spam and anti-virus solution. Sign up for your 30-day free trial! -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
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Re: How to simplify uploads of text and files to web server?
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:40:27 -0600, Dave Myers wrote: I have a server running Linux/Apache - what I am trying to find is an easy set of scripts to simplify uploads of text, pictures and such by the boys. Quanta might seem like overkill, but I think it'll do what you want. And in addition, it's pretty easy to work with. /Per best regards, Per Jessen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://timian.jessen.ch - an analog report-formatter using XSLT
Re: pronunciation of SuSE
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:16:10 -0500, Jay Maynard wrote: sweet is suss; sweets (as in candies) is Susse. (No, I don't know how to enter an ess-tsett, but one should go in place of the two ses if you're being pedantic.) Wonder how much that influenced the choice of acronym... Not a lot would be my guess. The 'u' in 'suss' has an umlaut, making it a completely different vowel in german. As to the ess-tset, don't bother - the most recent german Rechtschreibreform got rid of it. /Per best regards, Per Jessen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://timian.jessen.ch - an analog report-formatter using XSLT
Re: XNTP providing time source to Windex 2003 server
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:23:10 -0500, James Melin wrote: While we cannot seem to get the windows 2003 server to do it correctly, a little piece of code called aboutime that is shareware (author calls it careware but I digress) can hit my Linux ntp sever with TCP, UDP and SNTP and get the time returned to it. I cannot believe that it is authentication at linux. Now if they are attempting to route this over SMB, well that's another story. I don't have it working quite right yet, as it's not been a priority. I have several Win9x workstations setting time using the NET TIME scheme from a samba server. (net time is in the logon script) It has nothing to do with ntp nor the associated authentication mechanisms. I would check your samba logs. Otherwise, if your Windows people want to sync time using NTP, they just need a Windows NTP client. See http://www.google.ch/search?q=ntp+windowsie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8hl=demeta= /Per best regards, Per Jessen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://timian.jessen.ch - an analog report-formatter using XSLT
Re: OT - Correct pronunciation od SuSE?
On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:27:11 +0800, John Summerfield wrote: Could someone from SuSE or any .de give a definitive and authoritative correct pronunciation? Must we all pronounce it with a German accent? Not necessarily with an accent. Do the french pronounce Paris the way the Greeks do/did? Do the English pronounce Paris the way the French do? Linus bases the pronunciation of Linux on the way he says Linus, but we pronounce Linus quite differently. It is generally considered polite to pronounce names the way they were meant to be. Or at least to make an attempt. best regards, Per Jessen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://timian.jessen.ch - an analog report-formatter using XSLT
Re: list admin: we're being tracked
I'm not quite sure why anyone is worried - the list is already archived here: http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvgl?L=LINUX-VM A quick scan of those archives revealed 2111 unique email-addresses. Of course, http://gmane.org would not allow such exposure :-( best regards, Per Jessen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://timian.jessen.ch - an analog report-formatter using XSLT
Re: list admin: we're being tracked
On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 11:14:00 +0200, Per Jessen wrote: the list is already archived here: http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvgl?L=LINUX-VM Sorry, the correct address is: http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-VM regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
Re: zSeries and Laptop
On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:55:16 +0200, Ceruti, Gerard G wrote: Hi to all We are looking to start a Proof of Concept (POC) of Linux on zSeries very soon , to aid my learning curve I want to install a Linux partition on my laptop, are there any ideas as to what distribution I should install , or does it not make any difference . For the sake if discussion , SuSE 8 on zSeries , and 8.2 on laptop , any problems here. This would be to facilitate the Linux specific learning , I understand (or starting to ) the nuances of using Linux Zseries (ctc's etc etc). If /all/ you want is to learn about Linux, just install any distribution - SuSE is not bad. best regards, Per Jessen, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://timian.jessen.ch - an analog report-formatter using XSLT
Re: Samba - 1 for 1 or 'n' to 1
-Original Message- From: Lionel Dyck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Is it better to do a one for one (windows server to linux samba server) or to take some number of windows servers into a single samba server? Unless there was a particular reason for having several individual windows servers, I would suggest just one samba server. In my experience, using multiple servers in a windows environment simply comes from the PC mentality - buying another box is cheap and easier than trying to utilise an existing one. regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
Re: newbie gcc s390 question
On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:56:02 +0100, Mats Westlund (GIS) wrote: I have a C program that call a recursive function that causes the program to run out of stack space. What compiler options should be used to increase the stack size. Mats Westlund Hei Mats, the question is probably better asked here at [EMAIL PROTECTED] But otherwise this is a good place to start: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.2.2/gcc/ http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.2.2/gcc/Code-Gen-Options.html Look at perhaps: -fstack-limit-register=reg -fstack-limit-symbol=sym -fno-stack-limit regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
Re: Postfix
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:58:30 -0500, Post, Mark K wrote: Until things in the Linux world improve greatly, you need to use the RPMs that your distribution creator provides, or build your own RPMs from source and install the resulting binaries. In my experience with Linux on i386, you will eventually end up building quite a few things from source anyway. It depends on how bleeding-edge you want to be, but if you eg. have a slightly outdated base system (say based on SuSE Linux 7.1), and you want apache 2.0.43 - well, you either upgrade your base, or build apache from source (last I looked SuSE didn't provide a ready-built RPM for apache2). Once you start down that road, though, you're going to find yourself spending a lot of time and having a lot of problems, because you're taking on the role of a developer, and not just a consumer/user. Yes and no. Building from source doesn't make you a developer - but it does make you much more aware of what goes on in your system though :-) To a lot of people build from source == ./configure make make install . /Per regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
Re: Netscape
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:50:27 -0500, Post, Mark K wrote: I have to ask this... Why would you want to do that? I've compiled Mozilla for Linux/390, and got it to run. I wouldn't want to run it for real, though. Lots of (expensive) CPU cycles burned and (nearly as expensive) bandwidth chewed up for...?? Exactly - why would you want Netscape for s390 ? Just run it on your favourite workstation OS - Linux/Windows/OSX/whatever. /Per regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
Re: Gnome
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:28:25 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote: I would rather spend the $30 to $50 for the CD than spend the time downloading Linux. Couldn't agree more, but it seems that Knoppix (the original subject) has yet to find outlets in the USA. Given the popularity elsewhere, it shouldnt take long. regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
Re: not-LOL (was Re: LOL)
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:09:53 +0100, Phil Payne wrote: It could be very interesting indeed. Quite. What happens if one member of the open source community takes IP from somewhere and places it into the open source project without informing the others? Usually/typically some form of license will be given - even if the giver doesn't have the right to give it. If something is provided under no specific license, I think questions need to be asked. Classicly anyone using that IP - even without knowing it even WAS someone else's IP - could be pursued. But how reasonable is it to expect everyone involved to follow an audit trail for every modification ever proposed? Not reasonable at all. Which makes it reasonable that a contributor should always provide some sort a license for his/her contribution. A traceback. Making each contributor prove that their contributions were untrammeled would throttle the open source movement. Yep. Therefore the proof/evidence/license/etc. needs to be presented at the door. regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
Re: Java on zLinux for batch processing
On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:53:40 +0100, Herve Bonvin wrote: The idea would be to use java to replace cobol. This way we would have only one language and we could use our IFL's during the night. Has someone tested the use of java for batch applications ? I did look into it while I was with BEA - personally I wouldn't recommend it. Batch is often used to process e.g. millions of rows, and the java overhead, however small, will hit your performance. I understand the desire to have just one language for apps, but java for batch is not the right thing, IMHO. Just as IBMs CSP (anyone remember that one) wasn't all that hot in batch either. What for job scheduling system (like OPC) are available under zLinux ? I don't know of any. Maybe cron? :-( Unix and Linux were never very batch-oriented. regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
Re: 1000th z800 Sold
On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 10:06:33 +0100, Phil Payne wrote: As far as I'm aware there isn't a single Linux-only z800 in Europe. I may well be wrong, but it's still fingers of one hand making a rude sign. I thought a Swiss insurance company took delivery of one, but the info is not solid. /Per regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
Re: Gnome
On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:27:53 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote: One of the results of the way Linux is developed is that old hardware tends to work better than new hardware. Try knoppix on a new notebook and it is less likely to work. I'll try that - we have a fairly new compaq. Although my impression has been that (most) manufacturers are very good at working with eg. the kernel-developers. I've just tried a Fujitsu-Siemens ready-made Intel system - no probs whatsoever. Granted, this is probably a 100% standard system (and certainly not a laptop), so ... At some point I will probably put a second drive in my Dell and try Linux again. I probably will not try to download a version though. I don't have a CD writer at work, and I don't have broadband at home. I estimate it would take about 60 hours to download one CD worth of data at home, and I doubt that my dialup would stay connected that long. You could try using 'wget -r' - even with interruptions, that tends to work fine. That's what I used before we got ADSL a couple of months ago. Uh, wait - maybe try a download manager for MSIE or Netscape ? I don't know if you wget exists for Windows or Mac. The c't CDROM is 688M, but also has openoffice, mozilla and probably lots of other stuff included. /Per regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
knoppix (was: Gnome)
Regarding knoppix - try these: http://www.distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=interview-knoppix http://thetechnozone.com/pcbuyersguide/software/system/Review-Knoppix_Linux.html I've only really tried knoppix once or twice, and was just impressed! Personally I've used SuSE for years, but will probably swap to Debian in the near future. But, if you've never tried Linux and you're just curious, knoppix is the answer. /Per regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
knoppix (was: Gnome)
On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:49:47 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote: I have not been able to find anything that says if wget is available on the GNU CD for Windows, or not. In any case I think it would be easier to buy something like Red Hat. Even split over several sessions, 60 hours is a long time to tie up a phone line. Absolutely. And since you're looking to do an actual install anyway, knoppix won't do you much good. I just tried running knoppix on my wifes Compaq Evo N610C laptop, which is pretty much brandnew. Runs fine, except for some minor problem with the video. I don't know how old my knoppix version is, but I would whatever it is has been fixed in a more recent version. /Per -Original Message- From: Per Jessen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 2:48 AM To: Fargusson.Alan Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Gnome On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:27:53 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote: One of the results of the way Linux is developed is that old hardware tends to work better than new hardware. Try knoppix on a new notebook and it is less likely to work. I'll try that - we have a fairly new compaq. Although my impression has been that (most) manufacturers are very good at working with eg. the kernel-developers. I've just tried a Fujitsu-Siemens ready-made Intel system - no probs whatsoever. Granted, this is probably a 100% standard system (and certainly not a laptop), so ... At some point I will probably put a second drive in my Dell and try Linux again. I probably will not try to download a version though. I don't have a CD writer at work, and I don't have broadband at home. I estimate it would take about 60 hours to download one CD worth of data at home, and I doubt that my dialup would stay connected that long. You could try using 'wget -r' - even with interruptions, that tends to work fine. That's what I used before we got ADSL a couple of months ago. Uh, wait - maybe try a download manager for MSIE or Netscape ? I don't know if you wget exists for Windows or Mac. The c't CDROM is 688M, but also has openoffice, mozilla and probably lots of other stuff included. /Per regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
Re: Gnome
On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:43:06 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote: Are you telling me that you can guarantee that this will work on any system? No. But the fact that it works on my 5 year old Toshiba laptop seems a good indication. Laptops have always been difficult at best, so when knoppix installed immediately, well. Apart from that, I have installed Linux KDE more times than I care to remember - it /does/ work. Also, I think you missed the part ware I said I was installing on a Macintosh, which knoppix does not support. Sorry, I did miss that bit. /Per regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
Re: Gnome
On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:45:29 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote: I think this is the main reason people still use Windows. It is just to hard to get GUI working on Linux. Oh, please. Try www.knoppix.org - download a CD-image, burn a CD, then boot your system from CD. Works fine. A couple of weeks ago, the german c't magazine came with a Knoppix CD included - booted just fine, even on my old Toshiba 64M laptop. And you don't even need to install anything. regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
Re: Gnome
On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:13:03 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote: Some people get lucky. That does not make for a system that is easy to install for everyone. But knoppix does /just/ that. What can be easier than placing the CD in the tray, hit load, then reboot ? No HDD partitioning, no install, no nothing, but Linux KDE up and running in 5mins flat. Not even Windows can do that. /Per regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
Re: Distributed DB2? (Adabas?) OS/390 Linux/390
On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 16:49:31 -0800, Bill Stermer wrote: MySQL and Postgre SQL are also available...and are open source. SAPDB (http://www.sapdb.org) is not quite there, but we're working on it. Open source too. regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
Re: linux on z\vm capacity planning
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 23:12:45 +0200, Noam wrote: Hello all, i was wondering if anyone knows what kind of machinme i need to run about 30-40 z\linux images on z\vm for sap-erp purposes, and still get good performance, or where i can get that information. First place that comes to mind is SAP ? Though they probably won't have it either, but at at least you'll get them going for a while :-) Before you talk to them, agree with yourself or your customers what good performance is. And how it is measured and all that. I worked with some guys from HP a few years back - they defined good performance mostly in response-time - anything of 3 seconds or less, they called inter-active, anything more then 3 was batch. have fun, regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
Re: IS Java installed
On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:28:07 -0500, Davis, Lawrence wrote: I was using YAST on our 31-bit SuSE system and looking to see if Java was installed. Where is Java? is it part of Apache? No. I don't know if Java is provided by SuSE directly, but if not you just go and get it from IBM: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/java/jdk/index.html http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/java/jdk/linux/tested.html To determine if java is installed and setup, just type 'java -version'. What Java is recommended for this system. Probably 1.3.1, but 1.4 might be out for S390. I haven't checked. I'm using 1.3.1 most places. It is possible that websphere comes with its own Java VM, but I don't know. regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
Re: Regina/rexx SOCKET
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:01:59 -0500, Mark D Pace wrote: Upon further review it appears that IBM's Object Rexx has the RxSocket support included. Has anyone used Object Rexx? What do you think of it compared to Regina? Haven't tried Regina, but ObjextRexx is pretty neat - especially if you like the object-part :-) If not, it's just Rexx, nothing more, nothing less. regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
Re: IBM has no realistic entry-level offering in the mainframe space
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 18:44:46 +0100, Herbert Szumovski wrote: And the 13k are not a price, but a mindsetting problem. If a vendor asks me to pay 13k$ for the authorization to sell one of his systems, so that he can enhance his revenue, then that's at least strange, if not ridiculous. If you're selling systems for IBM then I'm certain you will not have a problem getting hold of a demo platform. Of course it will depend on your relationship with your local IBM staff. There is still sense behind to sell the FLEX/ES, it has possibly better support for serious business development, but I still didn't hear a good argument why there shouldn't be a cheap license for Hercules users. Agree to both - (1) I don't think anyone can seriously question Flex-EX and (2) I don't know why IBM isn't providing a cheap OS390 hobbyist license. Lack of good lobbyists maybe ? who got IBM on the Linux bandwagon ? Perhaps the same guy needs to be convinced about the OS/390 hobbyist license. /per regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
Re: IBM has no realistic entry-level offering in the mainframe space
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:24:40 +0100, Phil Payne wrote: Payroll is actually harder in most European countries, which is one reason why it was largely outsourced or packageised in the 1970s. OT: I don't think thereis any doubt that a european payroll system is more complex than a US one, perhaps even by an order of magnitude - but in the late 1980s I worked for a large european bank (well, largeish - 2 staff) that decided to write their own payroll system from scratch - exactly because nobody had an alternative. They are now quite successful in insourcing. (also now called DM Data, part of Maersk). /Per regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
Re: IBM has no realistic entry-level offering in the mainframe space
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:06:33 +0100, Herbert Szumovski wrote: to run redundant big sized applications. You are right: people will develop for Linux then, if they can't get a mainframe OS easily, but why is IBM whining then about diminishing mainframe business ? Because they sell hardware. Which is also undoubtedly why they have embraced Linux on the mainframe the way they have. I don't care to much about z/OS (though it would be fun to run it on a PC as hobbyist), but if z/VM should be sold as Hypervisor for Linux/390, then there should be definitely a way, where people can try that at home if they like. Why exactly? why not just use Hercules to run Linux/390 - that's what I do, and it works great. Now try to sell Linux/390 on a z/Box to a service provider, who wants to run e.g. 40 servers. Nearly nobody wants z/VM, the dinosaur operating system. 99% of their arguments go away immediately, when I can show them on the PC, how it works and how easy I can clone a Linux server. That's one of the reasons why I want to have z/VM on my laptop, many others have already been mentioned. And as others will point out too, there are people and companies out there that cater to that need. You have a business-case, and the $13k should not present a problem. /Per regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Re: IBM has no realistic entry-level offering in the mainframe space
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:26:25 +, Alan Cox wrote: Telco billing must not stop even if an entire site is anihilated, nobody must be billed twice and no record lost. Banks have the same requirements. In Denmark, since around 1989 or so, all shares and bonds ONLY exist electronically. I personally took part in the 3-4 day conversion from local banks depots to VP (the central place that holds everything). They have some pretty strict requirements on availability and reliability. Not an openVMS customer. As to telcos not billing people twice and not losing records ? since when ? which planet? jokes apart, were telcos ever renowned for their reliability? I've dealt with BT as a customer - the word reliability somehow does not seem appropriate :-) /Per regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Re: IBM has no realistic entry-level offering in the mainframe space
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:08:58 -0600, Stephen Frazier wrote: For most consulting companies $13K presents a big problem. Yes, there are a few large consulting firms that can pay that and they do cater to $13K is a problem to most consulting companies ?? Surely not - maybe most of the one-person consulting companies, but for anything of eg. 10 people and up, would $13K really represent a problem ? /Per regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Re: IBM has no realistic entry-level offering in the mainframe space
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:53:50 +0800, John Summerfield wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:42, you wrote: $13K entry point (not 20K) for their own system with software loan amounts to an impediment that forecloses their effort. I am aware of one-man shops taking IBM up on the offering, so Mr. Szumovski's post to the contrary is factually incorrect. Some may find $US13 000 affordable. For me, it's sometthing to dream about. I certainly don't find $13K all that affordable either. But I can't help thinking - I am a licensed radio-amateur - haven't been active for a while, but - the costs involved in either buying ready-built equipment or buying the equipment necessary to build your own were not something to be ignored. I bought a 2nd hand HP scope 2 or 3 years ago - not the top of the line, ended up paying EUR2000. And then think of prices for eg. spectrum-analysers or digital signal analysers. They don't come cheap. Putting up a tower-mast for a short-wave arial is not cheap either. Etc. etc. PCB design software like Protel will cost you USD5000 or so - and they don't have a hobbyist license either :-( So, although I *totally* agree with all of the arguments why IBM should make eg. OS390 available on a hobbyist basis (and not at $13K), doing other things on a hobbyist basis are expensive too. regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Re: IBM has no realistic entry-level offering in the mainframe space
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 04:57:23 -0600, Jay Maynard wrote: On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 11:08:22AM +0100, Per Jessen wrote: I am a licensed radio-amateur - haven't been active for a while, but - the costs involved in either buying ready-built equipment or buying the equipment necessary to build your own were not something to be ignored. I bought a 2nd hand HP scope 2 or 3 years ago - not the top of the line, ended up paying EUR2000. And then think of prices for eg. spectrum-analysers or digital signal analysers. They don't come cheap. Putting up a tower-mast for a short-wave arial is not cheap either. Etc. etc. PCB design software like Protel will cost you USD5000 or so - and they don't have a hobbyist license either :-( All of that is true, but you don't need the expensive stuff either to homebrew or get on the air with a commercial radio. I've never spent more than $750 on a radio, or other piece of non-computer electronics. It's possible to get on the air with a US$100 used HW-101. (I'm K5ZC.) And the same goes for writing software - you can get started for free. Well, close. You can have one of my old 486s that I use as a doorstop, and Linux gives you everything else. So, although I *totally* agree with all of the arguments why IBM should make eg. OS390 available on a hobbyist basis (and not at $13K), doing other things on a hobbyist basis are expensive too. With other things, though, it's possible to get in cheap at the low end. There is no corresponding way to get in cheap here. Except - and I know I'm stretching this slightly - if all you want to do is 1) be a radio-amateur, this is entirely within your reach. Almost with out regard to financial means. 2) If all you want to do is write software, this is entirely within your reach. Almost free. 1a) if you want do more than chat, maybe experiment with microwave stuff, or build your own from scratch, there are financial considerations. 2a) if you want to write software for OS390 or maybe a Cray, there are financial considerations. To sum up, I would sign the hobbyist os390 license petition any day, but I guess I just found the money discussion a bit too much. /Per PS: I'm OZ1HZV - and my wife wants to start horse-riding. Now, that's expensive ... regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Re: IBM has no realistic entry-level offering in the mainframe space
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:23:42 -0500, Rod Clayton wrote: I am also a radio-amateur. The most expensive thing I have ever purchased was a new HF/VHF/UHF radio for $1400. For antennas I use trees for supports etc. Amateur radio is like boating. You can spend as much as you like, but I would not be an amateur radio operator either if I had to spend $13,000. I don't see how anyone could write GNU software for VSE or VM at that price. But, (I sound like I'm repeating myself) - then don't write for VM or VSE - those are the radio-amateur-world equivalents of EME, OSCARs and microwave experiments. Write software for Linux for instance, and it's virtually free. Re. boating - um, around here boating could be fairly expensive too. Perhaps unless we're talking a rowboat and two oars ? I often go sailing with friends in the Aegean - not my boat, I just rent my space. But it is pretty damn expensive if you want to captain a yacht. In time and money. btw, glad to meet another one - I'm OZ1HZV. /Per regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Re: IBM has no realistic entry-level offering in the mainframe space
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:52:35 -0600, Steve Guthrie wrote: I'm sorry, but comparing an operating system as durable, scalable and reliable as MVS to an antenna stapled to a tree - yeesh! When you buy a mainframe system, you buy security. The software and its relationship with the hardware is what provides this security. Are you seriously suggesting that an off-the-shelf Intel box is comparable, on any level? I don't think he was. Honestly. But, you buy the mainframe box, and you get IBM reliability. Buy my software and you get my reliability. They're not implicitly connected :-) As far as writing GNU software for anything, write it for Linux in such as way as to make it portable. The rest takes care of itself. Applause! Applause! /Per regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Re: IBM has no realistic entry-level offering in the mainframe space
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:27:47 +0800, John Summerfield wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Ken Dreger wrote: Right, DEC-COMPAC-HP, cannot even GIVE the VMS platform and software away today I did DEC for 5+ years, and hated it .. Compared to IBM DEC is a PC on drugs.. Whatever your opionion, a lot of folk used it. I checked the openvms website and it looks to me there's a lot of excited folk involved with it now. Quite possibly - however getting current software (my example is BEA Weblogic Server) certified for it is a major undertaking/hassle. Because of a deteriorating number of users. However, BEA is certifying for use on eg. Linux AND Linux/390. /Per (not a BEA employee any more) regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Re: OT: FlexEs, Hercules, others
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:14:50 +0800, John Summerfield wrote: How you'd spot someone illicitly running IBM software a I don't know. I assume those writing from ibm.com addresses have the necessary approvals, Bad assumption - I used an ibm.net address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) from about 1992 to 1996 with absolutely no kind of IBM software license involved. Just FYI. /Per PS: ok, so it isn't an ibm.com address, but close enough :-) regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Re: Asking for RH technical reference
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:20:21 +0800, John Summerfield wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Betsie Spann wrote: Hi, Looking for a reference book to teach myself about RH. The type of questions I have are Why can't I login as root? Why can't I issue commands with rexecd? Betsie It is fairly normal not to allow root to login using telnet. Login using a regular user, then su to root. If rexec doesn't work, check the logs on your target system - perhaps the service isn't enabled ? Perhaps the origin system is not authorised ? Generally, none of this is specific to RH (assuming RH = Redhat) but plain UNIX questions. I would look for some general doc on UNIX/Linux - then you can always battle the specifics of RH later :-) good luck, Per Jessen, Zurich regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Re: Help settle an off-topic question.
On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:22:34 -0600, McKown, John wrote: Yea, it's not critical. But how do you pronounce the word Debian? We mainframers are pronouncing it Deb-ian (short e) whereas the LAN people are pronouncing it De-bian (long e). Last one is the right one - check www.debian.org/doc/faq - item 1.6. rgds, Per Jessen, Zurich regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Re: Help settle an off-topic question.
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:16:10 +0800 (WST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, Per Jessen wrote: On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:22:34 -0600, McKown, John wrote: Yea, it's not critical. But how do you pronounce the word Debian? We mainframers are pronouncing it Deb-ian (short e) whereas the LAN people are pronouncing it De-bian (long e). Last one is the right one - check www.debian.org/doc/faq - item 1.6. Correct URI is http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-basic_defs.en.html#s-pronunciation and your interpretation isn't mine. sorry, I did mean to say the first one (short e) - the link was almost ok :-) http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ works. /Per regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Re: Shell script error
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:58:00 -0600, James Johnson wrote: Whenever I try to run a shell scrip fron the Disk1 directory I get the following oracle@istestdb:~ cd /Disk1 oracle@istestdb:/Disk1 ./runInstaller bash: ./runInstaller: bad interpreter: Permission denied I must have an invalid premission defined somewhere but I do not see it. Does the install script have execute-permission ? Does the interpreter have execute-permission? regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Re: 2-phases commit
On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 21:11:40 +0300, Sergey Korzhevsky wrote: Hi. Which software can do subj? Is there something like CICS, RRS for zOS on Linux/390? BEAs Weblogic Server does 2PC and runs on Linux/390. /Per Jessen regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Re: Ms-exchange clone
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:59:28 -0300, Nilson Vieira wrote: I,m looking for a MS-EXCHANGE like application that works on Linux suse 390. Can some one help-me with a roadmap to migrate from MS-EXCHANGE (including messages files) to a open-source application. There are packages that support IMAP, and I am sure you can also get them to build on Linux/390. Whether they also have explicit support for migrating message files from MS_EXCHANGE, I can't say. Lack of experience, sorry. Having said that, can I bring up a related subject ? It would seem to me that a lot of the traffic on this list isn't really S390 related, but simply *Linux* related ? I really hate trying to fob people off, but questions like this are better asked elsewhere. I understand perfectly that this whole idea is utterly foreign to a lot of VM or MVS or S390 sysprogs, but perhaps some education is appropriate ? Ex: if you're having a problem running eg. Apache on your Linux/390 system, ask the Apache people. Once you have determined that the problem is really Linux/390 realted, ask us. Ex: I used to work for a 3rd party MVS software vendor. We occasionally had problems in debugging/tracing C-code generated using the SAS C-compiler. It always took some effort to determine whether it was really worth calling SAS ? Again, I REALLY hate saying this, but there are times when you need to think(!) - is this actually a Linux/390 problem or is it merely a Linux problem ? rgds, Per regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Re: Installing ORACLE 9i
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:08:45 +0100, Eddie Chen wrote: Then what version of JAVA do I need for ORACLE Which ever one they certify for it. blackdown is AFAIK not certified for much right now, so consider it a possible optional. Otherwise go with the what your vendor recommends. regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Re: SuSE or RED HAT
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:25:09 -0400, Abruzzese, Pat wrote: What flavor of LINUX would you pick if you were starting from the beginning? We are currently at this point and I'm looking for pros and cons. Thank you. SuSE - IMHO, they have a dedication to quality and reputation for the same. I have used SuSE since about v4.4 (on IA32) - haven't had reason to regret it. regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Re: SuSE or RED HAT
On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 14:49:47 -0500, David Rock wrote: Another consideration is what applications you intend to run. Generally speaking, there are cases where one distribution will get more support than another by a particular software company (i.e. redhat rpms don't necessarily work on SuSE). Somewhat wrong. The RPM format was very quickly adopted by most commercial distros, and given projects like LSB, you will only rarely find differences in application support that matters - remember this is open source. You want support - talk to the author or the supporting community, then the vendor. One case that I know of was driven by the existing environment, where the people running linux were doing so with RedHat, so they went with RedHat to keep familiarity with the distribution quirks. Coming from RedHat myself, I found some of the differences between RedHat and SuSE to be a little painful, but we have been evaluating both in our environment. Some things have been easier in RedHat and others have been easier in SuSE, so it's been fairly even for us. Guys, you've got to realise that using Linux does in no way tie you in with any particular vendor. If you understand the system well enough you can pick the best from wherever and use that. Anyone asking SuSE or RedHat is to some extent saying I'm not qualified to judge anyway. Having said that, I prefer SuSE because I am familiar with the packaging and the installation procdure. However, I also generally update my own systems directly from source rather than wait for a long to come update from SuSE. I would work exactly the same way with a Bluehat or Dabuin distro. (mispeelings intentional). Just my two cents. regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Re: New Linux Kernel - Problem with Console Messages
On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:41:51 -0400, Geyer, Thomas L. wrote: the virtual machine, I noticed that the console messages contained some bad characters as shown in the following sample: Starting Name Service Cache Daemon 7 [80C [10D [1;32mdone [m 8 [m Starting inetd 7 [80C [10D [1;32mdone [m 8 [m [m Starting httpd [ ] 7 [80C [10D [1;32mdone [m 8 [m Starting Webmin server in /usr/libexec/webmin [m Master Resource Control: runlevel 3 has been [80C [10D [1mreached [m c I had assumed that I had not selected the 3270 character set in menuconfig, I went back and checked and I had the 3270 option selected. I did not see anyother options that were obvious to me that I should select to solve this problem. I am sure it something simple and small that I have overlooked. Does anyone have any ideas what I did wrong? Thomas, not sure what you did wrong, but the weird messages you are seeing are from SuSE startup process, and contain ANSI control characters for setting color and cursor position. You probably already knew this, but just in case. I am not familiar with what translates these ANSI escape sequences to 3270 data-stream, so ... Anyway, like Mark says, did you keep your old .config ? regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Re: current Linux distribution
On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:53:28 +0200, Shimon Lebowitz wrote: When I put in Suse, I believe Suse and Turbo (R.I.P.?) were the only distros available for s390, but I saw that there is now a RedHat distribution too. What I cannot find, is a download site for it, can someone tell me where an ISO image for it is available? Dunno about RH, but SuSE is here (beta) ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/s390/sles7-beta/ regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Re: How do I sell these things?
Are there any other datacenters out there with charging systems in place? Getting close - www.teliaconnect.com are working on it. I think others (IBM) are working on it too. We're sort of stumped with the pricing scheme until we can figure out how much we can realistically expect to handle with the resources we currently have. Don't want to give away the farm but don't want to price ourselves out of competition either. Matt, you're probably asking the one question no-one will be willing to help with. If anything, your question is the crux of any bid for server consolidation on z/VM - any hardware. FYI, I've been running ecperf (a J2EE benchmark) on WebLogic on Linux/390 to try to achieve what you're asking for. So - compare what sort of throughput/performance you get for something running on eg. a typical 1U server (any make) with the throughput/performance you get when running the same 'something' on your Linux/390 box. In my case, running ecperf was the right thing, in our case, maybe repeated kernel compiles - I don't know. I think this is very likely to become a highly competitive market, and whoever gets it right, well regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
