Re: In an LPAR once again?
Thanks, I've forwarded this to my boss, as I have many of these notes. We had the Gartner report issued last week. Didn't tell us much we didn't already know, but now its official. On the positive side, we met with our business partner, Mainline, and we may be closer to looking at zVM and IFL loaner agreements. I just really need to finish my z/OS 1.7 to 1.9 upgrade so I have time to look at something new. My work life is a series of interruptions punctuated by short spurts of progress :) > -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Erik > N Johnson > Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 6:19 AM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: In an LPAR once again? > > Dave, > > I would encourage you to contact some folks at NIU about PeopleSoft. > We recently migrated from our own in-house solution which we called > webconnect to peoplesoft, mostly to facilitate the surplussing of our > ESA/390s and it has been ghastly. We have ended up with scores of > students forced to delay their graduation. Others have had other > problems. My advice: If you go PeopleSoft, get their analysts in a > room, lock the door, and beat them with a clue-bat for about 2 weeks > before you let them go. > > Erik Johnson > > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Shockley, Gerard C wrote: > > > > Dave, > > > > Been running Oracle on Z in prod coming up on 2 years. > > We can SHARE any experiences with you. > > > > Gerard C. Shockley > > Boston University > > gsh...@bu.edu > > > > 617.353.9898 (w) > > 617.353.6171 (f) > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of > > Dodds, Jim > > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:51 AM > > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > > Subject: Re: In an LPAR once again? > > > > Dave, > > > > As for running Banner and Oracle on Z/Linux you may want to talk to > > Marist. They are currently working on doing just that. We were hoping to > > get to work with them on that, because we too think it is a good idea > > but also here the Administration says we won't be running that on a > > mainframe. They have told us not to even pursue it. As far as I know > > Marist is the only one to even attempt it. Every time we asked Banner > > about it they said they don't support it and no one seems to want it. I > > am sure that when Marist gets it working, Banner will change their mind > > and support it. > > > > Jim Dodds > > Systems Programmer > > Kentucky State University > > 400 East Main Street > > Frankfort, Ky 40601 > > 502 597 6114 > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of > > Gibney, Dave > > Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 12:59 AM > > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > > Subject: Re: In an LPAR once again? > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of > >> David Boyes > >> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:08 PM > >> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > >> Subject: Re: In an LPAR once again? > >> > >> On 5/11/09 7:33 PM, "Gibney, Dave" wrote: > >> > >> > I may have some interest in zLinux around here. The usual caveat > > of > >> > [snip] > >> > Good idea? Or am I making it more complicated than I need to? > >> > Dave Gibney > >> > Information Technology Services > >> > Washington State University > >> > >> Well, it would certainly be cool to have WSUVM1 alive again...8-) > > > > Well, I pretty sure that's what we'd call it :) > > > > Unfortunately, I don't think our heydays of the past hold much with > > the IBM of today. Of course, I'm not even remotely a holder of purse > > strings. And the only way I'll be able to sell zVM and zLinux is by > > showing without any real doubt that it is a cost effective platform to > > implement potential planned ERP solution(s). And the funding for ERP is > > likely 2 years out. Our state funding was cut 21% for 2009-2011. After > > taking about a 10% cut this year. > > > > As for academic ventures, WSU's Computer Science department became a > > program under the College of Engineering quite sometime ago. I'm also > > suffering under the myth that no one is teaching "mainframe" anymore. > > (As an aside, I sorta resent perception. In my day :) you
Re: In an LPAR once again?
Dave, I would encourage you to contact some folks at NIU about PeopleSoft. We recently migrated from our own in-house solution which we called webconnect to peoplesoft, mostly to facilitate the surplussing of our ESA/390s and it has been ghastly. We have ended up with scores of students forced to delay their graduation. Others have had other problems. My advice: If you go PeopleSoft, get their analysts in a room, lock the door, and beat them with a clue-bat for about 2 weeks before you let them go. Erik Johnson On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Shockley, Gerard C wrote: > > Dave, > > Been running Oracle on Z in prod coming up on 2 years. > We can SHARE any experiences with you. > > Gerard C. Shockley > Boston University > gsh...@bu.edu > > 617.353.9898 (w) > 617.353.6171 (f) > > > -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of > Dodds, Jim > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:51 AM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: In an LPAR once again? > > Dave, > > As for running Banner and Oracle on Z/Linux you may want to talk to > Marist. They are currently working on doing just that. We were hoping to > get to work with them on that, because we too think it is a good idea > but also here the Administration says we won't be running that on a > mainframe. They have told us not to even pursue it. As far as I know > Marist is the only one to even attempt it. Every time we asked Banner > about it they said they don't support it and no one seems to want it. I > am sure that when Marist gets it working, Banner will change their mind > and support it. > > Jim Dodds > Systems Programmer > Kentucky State University > 400 East Main Street > Frankfort, Ky 40601 > 502 597 6114 > > > -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of > Gibney, Dave > Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 12:59 AM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: In an LPAR once again? > >> -Original Message- >> From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of >> David Boyes >> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:08 PM >> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU >> Subject: Re: In an LPAR once again? >> >> On 5/11/09 7:33 PM, "Gibney, Dave" wrote: >> >> > I may have some interest in zLinux around here. The usual caveat > of >> > [snip] >> > Good idea? Or am I making it more complicated than I need to? >> > Dave Gibney >> > Information Technology Services >> > Washington State University >> >> Well, it would certainly be cool to have WSUVM1 alive again...8-) > > Well, I pretty sure that's what we'd call it :) > > Unfortunately, I don't think our heydays of the past hold much with > the IBM of today. Of course, I'm not even remotely a holder of purse > strings. And the only way I'll be able to sell zVM and zLinux is by > showing without any real doubt that it is a cost effective platform to > implement potential planned ERP solution(s). And the funding for ERP is > likely 2 years out. Our state funding was cut 21% for 2009-2011. After > taking about a 10% cut this year. > > As for academic ventures, WSU's Computer Science department became a > program under the College of Engineering quite sometime ago. I'm also > suffering under the myth that no one is teaching "mainframe" anymore. > (As an aside, I sorta resent perception. In my day :) you didn't get > taught or trained much, we just dam well did the work :) > > In the few moments I can spare from keeping our z/OS system going and > maintained (I'm still running 1.7 in the important LPARs), I need to > show that Oracle (database and applications(ERP will likely be Banner or > Peoplesoft) runs well on zLinux and that zLinux under zVM is cost > effective in a major way over HP or Sun or other Intell farms. > > By the way, I never intended to imply that we would never buy zVM or > additional zHardware and that I wanted to do this on the sly in the long > run. I just have some (longish) short term delay. We had to cut out the > Watson newsletter and are seriously looking at any way to save some > pennies :( > We're also very short handed do to the budget and other problems. > > P.S. It's been awhile Dave, I've often wondered if you were the same > Dave Boyes that spent some time here. The 3090's been gone a long time > now. > > > >> >> Given WSU's historical relationship with IBM, I would suspect that if > you >> asked IBM for a loaner
Re: In an LPAR once again?
Dave, Been running Oracle on Z in prod coming up on 2 years. We can SHARE any experiences with you. Gerard C. Shockley Boston University gsh...@bu.edu 617.353.9898 (w) 617.353.6171 (f) -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Dodds, Jim Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:51 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: In an LPAR once again? Dave, As for running Banner and Oracle on Z/Linux you may want to talk to Marist. They are currently working on doing just that. We were hoping to get to work with them on that, because we too think it is a good idea but also here the Administration says we won't be running that on a mainframe. They have told us not to even pursue it. As far as I know Marist is the only one to even attempt it. Every time we asked Banner about it they said they don't support it and no one seems to want it. I am sure that when Marist gets it working, Banner will change their mind and support it. Jim Dodds Systems Programmer Kentucky State University 400 East Main Street Frankfort, Ky 40601 502 597 6114 -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 12:59 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: In an LPAR once again? > -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of > David Boyes > Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:08 PM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: In an LPAR once again? > > On 5/11/09 7:33 PM, "Gibney, Dave" wrote: > > >I may have some interest in zLinux around here. The usual caveat of > > [snip] > > Good idea? Or am I making it more complicated than I need to? > > Dave Gibney > > Information Technology Services > > Washington State University > > Well, it would certainly be cool to have WSUVM1 alive again...8-) Well, I pretty sure that's what we'd call it :) Unfortunately, I don't think our heydays of the past hold much with the IBM of today. Of course, I'm not even remotely a holder of purse strings. And the only way I'll be able to sell zVM and zLinux is by showing without any real doubt that it is a cost effective platform to implement potential planned ERP solution(s). And the funding for ERP is likely 2 years out. Our state funding was cut 21% for 2009-2011. After taking about a 10% cut this year. As for academic ventures, WSU's Computer Science department became a program under the College of Engineering quite sometime ago. I'm also suffering under the myth that no one is teaching "mainframe" anymore. (As an aside, I sorta resent perception. In my day :) you didn't get taught or trained much, we just dam well did the work :) In the few moments I can spare from keeping our z/OS system going and maintained (I'm still running 1.7 in the important LPARs), I need to show that Oracle (database and applications(ERP will likely be Banner or Peoplesoft) runs well on zLinux and that zLinux under zVM is cost effective in a major way over HP or Sun or other Intell farms. By the way, I never intended to imply that we would never buy zVM or additional zHardware and that I wanted to do this on the sly in the long run. I just have some (longish) short term delay. We had to cut out the Watson newsletter and are seriously looking at any way to save some pennies :( We're also very short handed do to the budget and other problems. P.S. It's been awhile Dave, I've often wondered if you were the same Dave Boyes that spent some time here. The 3090's been gone a long time now. > > Given WSU's historical relationship with IBM, I would suspect that if you > asked IBM for a loaner copy of z/VM, one would appear for a long period of > time. I think that while you *could* do VM->LPAR, it would probably be > less hassle and more productive to try to negotiate a long-term loan. > > -- db > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: In an LPAR once again?
On Sat, 16 May 2009 21:59:10 -0700 Gibney, Dave said: >> ... > In the few moments I can spare from keeping our z/OS system going and >maintained (I'm still running 1.7 in the important LPARs), I need to >show that Oracle (database and applications(ERP will likely be Banner or >Peoplesoft) runs well on zLinux and that zLinux under zVM is cost >effective in a major way over HP or Sun or other Intell farms. We are currently running Banner ERP with the app server on System p, and the Oracle DB on System z Linux. We are in the process of porting the app server to z also. If you don't have an Oracle site license, the savings could end up paying for your z/VM license and more. My boss also talks about the savings he was able to make in a reduced number of p boxes that would pay for the z/VM license. Feel free to drop me a line /ahw -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: In an LPAR once again?
Dave, As for running Banner and Oracle on Z/Linux you may want to talk to Marist. They are currently working on doing just that. We were hoping to get to work with them on that, because we too think it is a good idea but also here the Administration says we won't be running that on a mainframe. They have told us not to even pursue it. As far as I know Marist is the only one to even attempt it. Every time we asked Banner about it they said they don't support it and no one seems to want it. I am sure that when Marist gets it working, Banner will change their mind and support it. Jim Dodds Systems Programmer Kentucky State University 400 East Main Street Frankfort, Ky 40601 502 597 6114 -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 12:59 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: In an LPAR once again? > -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of > David Boyes > Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:08 PM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: In an LPAR once again? > > On 5/11/09 7:33 PM, "Gibney, Dave" wrote: > > >I may have some interest in zLinux around here. The usual caveat of > > [snip] > > Good idea? Or am I making it more complicated than I need to? > > Dave Gibney > > Information Technology Services > > Washington State University > > Well, it would certainly be cool to have WSUVM1 alive again...8-) Well, I pretty sure that's what we'd call it :) Unfortunately, I don't think our heydays of the past hold much with the IBM of today. Of course, I'm not even remotely a holder of purse strings. And the only way I'll be able to sell zVM and zLinux is by showing without any real doubt that it is a cost effective platform to implement potential planned ERP solution(s). And the funding for ERP is likely 2 years out. Our state funding was cut 21% for 2009-2011. After taking about a 10% cut this year. As for academic ventures, WSU's Computer Science department became a program under the College of Engineering quite sometime ago. I'm also suffering under the myth that no one is teaching "mainframe" anymore. (As an aside, I sorta resent perception. In my day :) you didn't get taught or trained much, we just dam well did the work :) In the few moments I can spare from keeping our z/OS system going and maintained (I'm still running 1.7 in the important LPARs), I need to show that Oracle (database and applications(ERP will likely be Banner or Peoplesoft) runs well on zLinux and that zLinux under zVM is cost effective in a major way over HP or Sun or other Intell farms. By the way, I never intended to imply that we would never buy zVM or additional zHardware and that I wanted to do this on the sly in the long run. I just have some (longish) short term delay. We had to cut out the Watson newsletter and are seriously looking at any way to save some pennies :( We're also very short handed do to the budget and other problems. P.S. It's been awhile Dave, I've often wondered if you were the same Dave Boyes that spent some time here. The 3090's been gone a long time now. > > Given WSU's historical relationship with IBM, I would suspect that if you > asked IBM for a loaner copy of z/VM, one would appear for a long period of > time. I think that while you *could* do VM->LPAR, it would probably be > less > hassle and more productive to try to negotiate a long-term loan. > > -- db > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: In an LPAR once again?
>>> On 5/17/2009 at 12:59 AM, "Gibney, Dave" wrote: -snip- > In the few moments I can spare from keeping our z/OS system going and > maintained (I'm still running 1.7 in the important LPARs), I need to > show that Oracle (database and applications(ERP will likely be Banner or > Peoplesoft) runs well on zLinux and that zLinux under zVM is cost > effective in a major way over HP or Sun or other Intell farms. This is exactly the setup that has saved other organizations millions of dollars, and very quickly at that. A couple that have talked about it in public are Boston University, the Province of Quebec and Baldor Electric. There are a good number more that I can't name because they haven't agreed to it. The key in making the case is to count _all_ the licenses on the distributed systems, not just the production machines: test, development, QA, failover, DR, etc. Most of those are likely to be just sitting there idling, and would be perfect candidates for z/VM guests. It doesn't take very many Oracle licenses to justify z/VM, Linux, and the additional processor(s) and real storage. (At list prices, one Oracle license costs about the same as the one time charge for z/VM and one year Linux subscription with priority support for one processor.) Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: In an LPAR once again?
> -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of > David Boyes > Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:08 PM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: In an LPAR once again? > > On 5/11/09 7:33 PM, "Gibney, Dave" wrote: > > >I may have some interest in zLinux around here. The usual caveat of > > [snip] > > Good idea? Or am I making it more complicated than I need to? > > Dave Gibney > > Information Technology Services > > Washington State University > > Well, it would certainly be cool to have WSUVM1 alive again...8-) Well, I pretty sure that's what we'd call it :) Unfortunately, I don't think our heydays of the past hold much with the IBM of today. Of course, I'm not even remotely a holder of purse strings. And the only way I'll be able to sell zVM and zLinux is by showing without any real doubt that it is a cost effective platform to implement potential planned ERP solution(s). And the funding for ERP is likely 2 years out. Our state funding was cut 21% for 2009-2011. After taking about a 10% cut this year. As for academic ventures, WSU's Computer Science department became a program under the College of Engineering quite sometime ago. I'm also suffering under the myth that no one is teaching "mainframe" anymore. (As an aside, I sorta resent perception. In my day :) you didn't get taught or trained much, we just dam well did the work :) In the few moments I can spare from keeping our z/OS system going and maintained (I'm still running 1.7 in the important LPARs), I need to show that Oracle (database and applications(ERP will likely be Banner or Peoplesoft) runs well on zLinux and that zLinux under zVM is cost effective in a major way over HP or Sun or other Intell farms. By the way, I never intended to imply that we would never buy zVM or additional zHardware and that I wanted to do this on the sly in the long run. I just have some (longish) short term delay. We had to cut out the Watson newsletter and are seriously looking at any way to save some pennies :( We're also very short handed do to the budget and other problems. P.S. It's been awhile Dave, I've often wondered if you were the same Dave Boyes that spent some time here. The 3090's been gone a long time now. > > Given WSU's historical relationship with IBM, I would suspect that if you > asked IBM for a loaner copy of z/VM, one would appear for a long period of > time. I think that while you *could* do VM->LPAR, it would probably be > less > hassle and more productive to try to negotiate a long-term loan. > > -- db > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: In an LPAR once again?
That reminds me, if anybody wants to buy 2 ESA/390s they'll be coming available down in Springfield, IL sometime next year. I can't imagine why anybody would buy them, short of a university, but it will be a public auction so you might get a pretty great deal on them. Maybe if I inherit a LOT of money before then, I'll buy them, wait for our administrative make-up to change a little, then donate them back to the department. I really don't understand why university administrations universally insist on excluding their departments full of experts on any number of subjects from any constructive input in the decision-making process. The same reason, I suppose, that politicians believe they know better than doctors what drugs should be prescribed to whom. Money. In politics it's lobbyist money, and at Universities it's donor money. Infuriating. Erik Johnson On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Erik N Johnson wrote: > It is worth noting that IBM has an established program called IBM > Academic Initiatives. If you offer any courses on your Zs and you > *need* z/VM to offer those courses, IBM will *possibly* negotiate a > free license of z/VM. I'm at NIU and we have two ESA/390s donated by > IBM many years before my time. It is also worth noting that we have > had difficulty with demonstrating that our curriculum *requires* VM, > which we would love to use to allow students to run their own guest > Linux/390 images, where they may be root and try things in a nicely > sandboxed environment. > > Apparently, this is not a sufficient *need* as we have been > unsuccessful. There has been some unconfirmed speculation that if we > but had a Z, we could institute a course in z/VM+z/Linux > administration, creating a need. Unfortunately, when IBM offered us a > Z, university politics reared their ugly head, a Microsoft evangelist > convinced the big cheese that "Mainframe is dead" and not only will we > not be housing a Z, virtually assuring IBM won't send us one, they > have chosen to unplug our ESA/390s. > > We now have to use Marist's machine remotely to conduct our mainframe > courses, which are many and varied, mainframe being the backbone of > our program. It's a very sad tale but the silver lining is, perhaps > you folks up at Washington could offer the class, get the license, and > voila! > > Just a thought, > Erik Johnson > > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 3:08 PM, David Boyes wrote: >> On 5/11/09 7:33 PM, "Gibney, Dave" wrote: >> >>> I may have some interest in zLinux around here. The usual caveat of >>> [snip] >>> Good idea? Or am I making it more complicated than I need to? >>> Dave Gibney >>> Information Technology Services >>> Washington State University >> >> Well, it would certainly be cool to have WSUVM1 alive again...8-) >> >> Given WSU's historical relationship with IBM, I would suspect that if you >> asked IBM for a loaner copy of z/VM, one would appear for a long period of >> time. I think that while you *could* do VM->LPAR, it would probably be less >> hassle and more productive to try to negotiate a long-term loan. >> >> -- db >> >> -- >> For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or >> visit >> http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 >> > -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: In an LPAR once again?
It is worth noting that IBM has an established program called IBM Academic Initiatives. If you offer any courses on your Zs and you *need* z/VM to offer those courses, IBM will *possibly* negotiate a free license of z/VM. I'm at NIU and we have two ESA/390s donated by IBM many years before my time. It is also worth noting that we have had difficulty with demonstrating that our curriculum *requires* VM, which we would love to use to allow students to run their own guest Linux/390 images, where they may be root and try things in a nicely sandboxed environment. Apparently, this is not a sufficient *need* as we have been unsuccessful. There has been some unconfirmed speculation that if we but had a Z, we could institute a course in z/VM+z/Linux administration, creating a need. Unfortunately, when IBM offered us a Z, university politics reared their ugly head, a Microsoft evangelist convinced the big cheese that "Mainframe is dead" and not only will we not be housing a Z, virtually assuring IBM won't send us one, they have chosen to unplug our ESA/390s. We now have to use Marist's machine remotely to conduct our mainframe courses, which are many and varied, mainframe being the backbone of our program. It's a very sad tale but the silver lining is, perhaps you folks up at Washington could offer the class, get the license, and voila! Just a thought, Erik Johnson On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 3:08 PM, David Boyes wrote: > On 5/11/09 7:33 PM, "Gibney, Dave" wrote: > >> I may have some interest in zLinux around here. The usual caveat of >> [snip] >> Good idea? Or am I making it more complicated than I need to? >> Dave Gibney >> Information Technology Services >> Washington State University > > Well, it would certainly be cool to have WSUVM1 alive again...8-) > > Given WSU's historical relationship with IBM, I would suspect that if you > asked IBM for a loaner copy of z/VM, one would appear for a long period of > time. I think that while you *could* do VM->LPAR, it would probably be less > hassle and more productive to try to negotiate a long-term loan. > > -- db > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: In an LPAR once again?
On 5/11/09 7:33 PM, "Gibney, Dave" wrote: >I may have some interest in zLinux around here. The usual caveat of > [snip] > Good idea? Or am I making it more complicated than I need to? > Dave Gibney > Information Technology Services > Washington State University Well, it would certainly be cool to have WSUVM1 alive again...8-) Given WSU's historical relationship with IBM, I would suspect that if you asked IBM for a loaner copy of z/VM, one would appear for a long period of time. I think that while you *could* do VM->LPAR, it would probably be less hassle and more productive to try to negotiate a long-term loan. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: In an LPAR once again?
Hi, Dave. Gibney, Dave wrote: [snip] Well, ok. "Assuming" I could get a trial :) Would I gain anything by starting zLinux experiments with zVM fully expecting the need to drop the zVM and run in Lpar(s) for some period of time. At least until the next biennial budget cycle? Well, you'll certainly gain a good appreciation for how much easier it is to install, configure and manage a bunch of Linux images using z/VM, instead of on LPARs. -- Dave Jones V/Soft www.vsoft-software.com Houston, TX 281.578.7544 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: In an LPAR once again?
Gibney, Dave wrote: Well, ok. "Assuming" I could get a trial :) Would I gain anything by starting zLinux experiments with zVM fully expecting the need to drop the zVM and run in Lpar(s) for some period of time. At least until the next biennial budget cycle? I'm sure there are an infinite number of variables involved in determining how long a standard z/VM trial lasts. I would suggest contacting your IBM rep. -- Rich Smrcina Phone: 414-491-6001 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: In an LPAR once again?
> -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of > Rich Smrcina > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 4:50 PM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: In an LPAR once again? > > Gibney, Dave wrote: > >I may have some interest in zLinux around here. The usual caveat > of > > "ABSOLUTLY NO MONEY" to spend on POC is in place. I've some room on > the > > z9BC-LO3. Just four z/OS lpars and using less than 50% capacity in > > normal times. > >I understand that it's all easier with z/VM, but I, see above > under > > absolutely. I just wondered: What if I fire-up a couple LPARs and > > download/install the zVM trial into one. > >Then, I can play with zLinux configurations for awhile until I get > > what we need working (assuming less than the trial time). Once I have > > experience and a viable configuration, I install it into the other > LPAR > > and let zVM trial expire. I can clone somewhere up to a total of 16 > > LPARs, prove it works and then justify the IFL and zVM for a proven > > application workload. > > > > Good idea? Or am I making it more complicated than I need to? > > Dave Gibney > > Information Technology Services > > Washington State University > > > The z/VM Evaluation Edition is only available for the z10. If you want > to evaluate/trial z/VM on a z9 you have use the old school method... > call your trusty IBM rep. Well, ok. "Assuming" I could get a trial :) Would I gain anything by starting zLinux experiments with zVM fully expecting the need to drop the zVM and run in Lpar(s) for some period of time. At least until the next biennial budget cycle? > > -- > Rich Smrcina > Phone: 414-491-6001 > http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina > > Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org > WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: In an LPAR once again?
Gibney, Dave wrote: I may have some interest in zLinux around here. The usual caveat of "ABSOLUTLY NO MONEY" to spend on POC is in place. I've some room on the z9BC-LO3. Just four z/OS lpars and using less than 50% capacity in normal times. I understand that it's all easier with z/VM, but I, see above under absolutely. I just wondered: What if I fire-up a couple LPARs and download/install the zVM trial into one. Then, I can play with zLinux configurations for awhile until I get what we need working (assuming less than the trial time). Once I have experience and a viable configuration, I install it into the other LPAR and let zVM trial expire. I can clone somewhere up to a total of 16 LPARs, prove it works and then justify the IFL and zVM for a proven application workload. Good idea? Or am I making it more complicated than I need to? Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University The z/VM Evaluation Edition is only available for the z10. If you want to evaluate/trial z/VM on a z9 you have use the old school method... call your trusty IBM rep. -- Rich Smrcina Phone: 414-491-6001 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
In an LPAR once again?
I may have some interest in zLinux around here. The usual caveat of "ABSOLUTLY NO MONEY" to spend on POC is in place. I've some room on the z9BC-LO3. Just four z/OS lpars and using less than 50% capacity in normal times. I understand that it's all easier with z/VM, but I, see above under absolutely. I just wondered: What if I fire-up a couple LPARs and download/install the zVM trial into one. Then, I can play with zLinux configurations for awhile until I get what we need working (assuming less than the trial time). Once I have experience and a viable configuration, I install it into the other LPAR and let zVM trial expire. I can clone somewhere up to a total of 16 LPARs, prove it works and then justify the IFL and zVM for a proven application workload. Good idea? Or am I making it more complicated than I need to? Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
