users' .bashrc not getting executed?
I thought the new question needs a new thread. any answers appreciated! * On a bunch of RHEL 3 machines which had winbind added; perhaps because of the pam games, the .bashrc are not executed (not after su -, nor when you ssh into the machine). Anyone care to point me in the right direction? the permissions on the bashrc are correct, but only root gets his .bashrc executed. users on the local passwd and from winbind don't. -- A Timeless classic Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: users' .bashrc not getting executed?
Hi Ira, As far as I know, to source '.bashrc' during login time, you need to explicitly source it in your '.bash_profile' (or '.profile'). RHEL3 make sure that this happens by adding it to the skeleton login scripts of newly created users (template in /etc/skel). Check that you have .bash_profile for each user with atleast the line: [ -r ~/.bashrc ] . ~/.bashrc Noam On Monday 04 July 2005 09:50, Ira Abramov wrote: I thought the new question needs a new thread. any answers appreciated! * On a bunch of RHEL 3 machines which had winbind added; perhaps because of the pam games, the .bashrc are not executed (not after su -, nor when you ssh into the machine). Anyone care to point me in the right direction? the permissions on the bashrc are correct, but only root gets his .bashrc executed. users on the local passwd and from winbind don't. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: users' .bashrc not getting executed?
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 09:50:46AM +0300, Ira Abramov wrote: I thought the new question needs a new thread. any answers appreciated! * On a bunch of RHEL 3 machines which had winbind added; perhaps because of the pam games, the .bashrc are not executed (not after su -, nor when you ssh into the machine). Anyone care to point me in the right direction? the permissions on the bashrc are correct, but only root gets his .bashrc executed. users on the local passwd and from winbind don't. They are not executed. They are sourced by the user's shell. Anyway, according to bash(1) a login shell does not automatically read bashrc. -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il | | a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | best ICQ# 16849755 | | friend = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: users' .bashrc not getting executed?
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 09:50:46AM +0300, Ira Abramov wrote: I thought the new question needs a new thread. any answers appreciated! * On a bunch of RHEL 3 machines which had winbind added; perhaps because of the pam games, the .bashrc are not executed (not after su -, nor when you ssh into the machine). Anyone care to point me in the right direction? the permissions on the bashrc are correct, but only root gets his .bashrc executed. users on the local passwd and from winbind don't. bashrc isn't sourced on login shells, only on interactive non-login shells. I guess root's .profile or .bash_profile sources .bashrc or something like that. If you are certain that it started after adding winbind, then I have no idea. Maybe winbind/your pam changes cause the shell to be non-login? I must admit your email caused me to spend a few minutes debugging an annoying problem I have for a few years. I have (in both .bashrc and profile) 'source ~/.bash_aliases'. In .bash_aliases I have alias a=alias and then many lines like a j=jobs On interactive shells (both login and non-login), it all works well. But when I scp to this machine/account, I get many lines like /home/didi/.bash_aliases: line 5: a: command not found Since it causes no harm, I did not check why it's so until now. Now I did, and after another look in 'man bash', I see Aliases are not expanded when the shell is not interactive, unless the expand_aliases shell option is set using shopt -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: users' .bashrc not getting executed?
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote about Re: users' .bashrc not getting executed?: bashrc isn't sourced on login shells, only on interactive non-login shells. I guess root's .profile or .bash_profile sources .bashrc or something like that. I wonder why this is so. The situation is certainly differrent in Ksh and in Zsh, where the $ENV or .zshrc is executed on *any* interactive shell, login shell or not. The traditional division between the profile and rc ($ENV in Ksh nomenclature), was that the profile was read only in one login shell that is the parent of all others, and thus should contain only inheritable settings, especially exported variables and umask settings. The rc file would contain things that cannot be inherited and are specific to interactive shells (on the last point, the behavior in tcsh is different), such as aliases, functions (which were inheritable in the original ksh, by the way), and stty settings. So I was suprised to learn today that indeed, bash default behavior is not to run the .bashrc on an interactive login shell. I find this extremely strange... By the way, I see now in bash's manual, that if it is invoked as sh (rather than bash), it uses the ksh-like ENV variable and its behavior. P.S. I'm a very happy user of Zsh. It has its share of peculiarities, but not this one, so you can consider switching :-) -- Nadav Har'El|Monday, Jul 4 2005, 27 Sivan 5765 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |I intend to live forever - so far, so http://nadav.harel.org.il |good. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A new venture - preventing spam
Stanislav Malyshev wrote: It is not easy to authenticate a person even in RL - identity theft and various scams are not unheard of, and it is much harder online when you can't see or touch a thing. However, most of the cases with email for the recipient it is enough to know that the sender of the email is authorized by the domain administrator to send it. At least, for detecting email forgery it would be enough - and mass-hosters of course would have to implement some internal mechanism to not allow users impersonate one another - but this would be outside of the email communication domain. Authenticating the sender is a major step towards preventing spam. It's also important to users to know that the message they received is really sent by an authenticated E-mail address. It can reduce (but not completely prevent) cases of phishing, worms etc. But in itself it is not a complete solution against spam. The reason is because spammers can (and do) register new domain names and use them for spamming. That's why I think there should be a way to limit the number of messages sent by each person to a small number, and check that it's a real person who sends them. I know it's not easy to do it, but I think we can find a solution. We can also try other methods that will distinguish between spam and legitimate mail. But authentication itself is not sufficient. Now, there are two obvious ways out of this vicious circle: 1. Widespread world-wide conspiracy of sysadmins and programmers to implement and install the protocol. 2. Adoption of the protocol by some company like Microsoft or IBM that can make anything an industry standard. As they say, nobody ever got fired for buying IBM, and I'd add - for following IBM (or Microsoft) advice either. So if they say it's a good way to fight spam/viruses/etc - whatever it be it probably would get widespread acceptance - enough to catch momentum. And more importantly - enough to make those who didn't implement it yet somewhat uncomfortable - like when users ask administrator why our clients complain that emails from our company come out as 'Unaunticated sender - probably spammer!' in Outlook - please fix it ASAP. Network effect is required for such things. It will help if the big companies in this industry will implement new protocols that will reduce spam. The biggest companies in this industry are Microsoft, Yahoo and Google. If they all agree on a specific protocol, they have the power to promote it. Especially Microsoft, which not only controls Hotmail, but also Outlook - the most popular E-mail client I think. But I believe the current methods these companies offer are not enough. Best Regards, Uri Even-Chen Speedy Net Raanana, Israel. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +972-9-7715013 Website: www.uri.co.il = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A new venture - preventing spam
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 10:01:44AM +0300, Uri Even-Chen wrote: Stanislav Malyshev wrote: It is not easy to authenticate a person even in RL - identity theft and various scams are not unheard of, and it is much harder online when you can't see or touch a thing. However, most of the cases with email for the recipient it is enough to know that the sender of the email is authorized by the domain administrator to send it. At least, for detecting email forgery it would be enough - and mass-hosters of course would have to implement some internal mechanism to not allow users impersonate one another - but this would be outside of the email communication domain. Authenticating the sender is a major step towards preventing spam. It's also important to users to know that the message they received is really sent by an authenticated E-mail address. It can reduce (but not completely prevent) cases of phishing, worms etc. But in itself it is not a complete solution against spam. The reason is because spammers can (and do) register new domain names and use them for spamming. That's why I think there should be a way to limit the number of messages sent by each person to a small number Read: you need a license to run a mailing list. Thansk, but no, thanks. Not to mention sending a notification to all of your friends that you've changed your address. , and check that it's a real person who sends them. And not a zomby contrling that real person's email program and authenticating using that password stored in the mailer's configuration. -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il | | a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | best ICQ# 16849755 | | friend = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: users' .bashrc not getting executed?
Check whether the shell is called 'sh' or 'bash'. sh is a link to bash on linux, but when exec's as sh .bashrc is not read Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Active Directory - a short story
On Sun, 2005-07-03 at 20:27 +0300, Ira Abramov wrote: to explain: when you use winbind and add a machine into the domain, the first time you look up a user she will be mapped to a local UID in an idmap database. the problem is, there is no hash function to map a lanman object's SID, and the idmap database fills up on a first asked, first served manner. this is a sick mess, since this means that if you have several machines winbound, they don't all see the same UIDs mapped to the same usernames, which makes NFS impossible. Not exactly... When winbind service comes up first time, it does several things: 1) Enumerates trusted domains 2) Reads ALL group objects from trusted domains (including AD) and generates GIDs by hashing objectSID (octet string LDAP syntax - actually a byte array) attribute. 3) Reads ALL user/computer objects and generates UIDs (same logic here) The problem is not with idmap database, but rather with the efficiency of the LDAP query which asks for all user/computer objects from AD - as I mentioned already before: in my environment winbind is crashing after about 20 mins, while trying to enumerate accounts, failing to complete the LDAP query. solution one - have one machine enumarate all the UIDs and then copy its idmap database, and do that again each time you add users to the AD (yuck) solution 2 - have the userinfo come from the AD, the authentication from the kerberos (as before) and ask Samba to map the ids according to LDAP (yuck again). that LDAP server can either run on a separate linux machine, or be the LDAP that is already part of the SFU, and so keeps those details inside the AD itself, with a Unix attributes tag in the AD management dialog. you can share UIDs via LDAP or SQL (OpenLDAP, mySQL), but yuck indeed. not NIS, just LDAP. the scheme extensions alone don't let you access them. the SFU adds the above mentioned tag to the dialog box. Who cares about the GUI ? SFU registers a COM object which makes the tab show up in ADUC (AD Users Computers), but you can still access those attributes from any LDAP browser/editor or using Windows CLI utilities like dsmod/dsget/dsquery/dsadd/dsrm (surprise, surprise ! there is CLI in Windows ;-) ) And if you want even more flexibility, search for adfind/admod in google. * On winbound machines of the RHEL 3WS variety, I could su - user from root without any problem. not so on 3ES, where I got back su: Invalid password. at some point it magicly fixed itself and I could not recreate it (good thing?). could it be a kerberos glitch? Try creating user called root in AD and disabling the requirement for Kerberos pre-authentication on that account (Account tab in ADUC or adding directly 0x20 to userAccountControl attribute of the account). Guy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: users' .bashrc not getting executed?
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 11:00:57AM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Mon, Jul 04, 2005, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote about Re: users' .bashrc not getting executed?: bashrc isn't sourced on login shells, only on interactive non-login shells. I guess root's .profile or .bash_profile sources .bashrc or something like that. I wonder why this is so. The situation is certainly differrent in Ksh and in Zsh, where the $ENV or .zshrc is executed on *any* interactive shell, login shell or not. The traditional division between the profile and rc ($ENV in Ksh nomenclature), was that the profile was read only in one login shell that is the parent of all others, and thus should contain only inheritable settings, especially exported variables and umask settings. The rc file would contain things that cannot be inherited and are specific to interactive shells (on the last point, the behavior in tcsh is different), such as aliases, functions (which were inheritable in the original ksh, by the way), and stty settings. But what if ENV isn't set in profile? Nothing gets sourced (in sh-compatibility mode). ash doesn't even have a compatibility mode - that's its only behaviour (only /etc/profile ~/.profile and ENV if set). So I was suprised to learn today that indeed, bash default behavior is not to run the .bashrc on an interactive login shell. I find this extremely strange... By the way, I see now in bash's manual, that if it is invoked as sh (rather than bash), it uses the ksh-like ENV variable and its behavior. I agree it's a bit strange, but it's not a real problem practically. Only causes bugs such as Ira's (if that indeed was the thing). I personally simply have .profile linked to .bashrc and that's it. P.S. I'm a very happy user of Zsh. Yes, we know that. You remind us often :-) I admit your pressure was enough that I tried it a few years ago, after using tcsh for many years, for a few months, and then moved to bash. Of course zsh is more powerful, but bash is more standard, so I can rely on it being installed and being the default in almost all new machines I encounter. It has its share of peculiarities, but not this one, so you can consider switching :-) Indeed a good enough reason :-) -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: users' .bashrc not getting executed?
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 11:00:57AM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote: P.S. I'm a very happy user of Zsh. It has its share of peculiarities, but not this one, so you can consider switching :-) My short test has shown that my current zsh (4.2.5) still fails to handle UTF-8 in a decent manner. So seem tcsh (6.13.00): with zsh I typed Hebrew and immeditely non-printable characters showed and the cursor location was bogus. tcsh simply won't let me type them. System: debian sarge. Local settings: LANG=he_IL.UTF-8 and that's it. Terminal: uxterm. -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il | | a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | best ICQ# 16849755 | | friend = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pidof on a process (which was ran by passing arguments from the command li
Amir Binyamini [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No.
pidof -x xend returns an empty string.
Oh, that's because of env... If you had #!/usr/bin/python directly it
should have worked. One level of indirection too many...
Modify xend or try this:
pname () { /bin/ps auxww | /bin/egrep $@ | /bin/grep -v egrep; }
pnum () { pname $@ | /bin/awk '{print $2}'; }
$ pnum xend
is likely to work.
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Re: pidof on a process (which was ran by passing arguments from the command li
Hello,
Oh, that's because of env... If you had #!/usr/bin/python directly...
changing to #!/usr/bin/python and running pidof -x xend did the work.
The env is in he original Xend script but there is no problem for me to
remove it.
Thanks,
Amir
From: Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Amir Binyamini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: linux-il@linux.org.il
Subject: Re: pidof on a process (which was ran by passing arguments from
the command li
Date: 04 Jul 2005 11:40:59 +
Amir Binyamini [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No.
pidof -x xend returns an empty string.
Oh, that's because of env... If you had #!/usr/bin/python directly it
should have worked. One level of indirection too many...
Modify xend or try this:
pname () { /bin/ps auxww | /bin/egrep $@ | /bin/grep -v egrep; }
pnum () { pname $@ | /bin/awk '{print $2}'; }
$ pnum xend
is likely to work.
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Re: A new venture - preventing spam
On Monday 04 July 2005 00:34, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: Last but not least, I think I can tolerate protocol controlled by ... Hmmm controlled provided the protocol itself is public and possible to implement independently and that it is actually used and accepted. .. But independently implementable Seem like a contradition to me. Other than that, it should be noted that MS acceptance of public standards was always in part of its E^3 (Embrace, Extend, Extinguish). [A recent victim is, of course, Kerberos]. This means its adoption/release of some open standard by MS only signifies they are in the first phase (Embrace) as their market share in that arena is not dominant. If/when they acquire dominant position you'll start to see Extensions to the standard (Which will be fiercely defended by MS against reimplementation). -- Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron ICQ UIN: 16527398 Code Red, Blue or Green there all a symptom of a far more pervasive and insidious virus, it costs around $200. -anonymous = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: users' .bashrc not getting executed?
Quoting Noam Meltzer, from the post of Mon, 04 Jul: Hi Ira, As far as I know, to source '.bashrc' during login time, you need to explicitly source it in your '.bash_profile' (or '.profile'). this IS embarassing. After interrogating the client, I indeed discovered that the problematic users did not get their homedirs started from /etc/skel (he didn't know about it because he never used adduser - these are all users that came from a winbind map, remember?) anyway, pam_mkhomedir does not seem to work, so he simply made them a homedir with mkdir and they copied the .bashrc from one of the more knowledgable people with *ix experiance, and indeed their xterms looked right (.bashrc is sourced for interactive, non-login shells, and bash_profile for interactive login shells). so X worked ok, but not console login or ssh, or su -! so I simply installed .bash_profile to all those who missed it and hey presto... -- By name but not by nature Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A new venture - preventing spam
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 12:34:02AM +0300, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: That is not entirely correct, at least for now - they are vigorously promoting any protocols or standards they chose, but they do value standartization and open protocols lately - e.g. most of their .net specs are public. While there is no doubt that they have their own agenda and would promote it, it would not necessary contradict with my needs or OSS software developers' and users' needs. For instance, they have no hard feelings with the Mono folks re-implementing their new standards: http://lwn.net/Articles/141232/ -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il | | a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | best ICQ# 16849755 | | friend = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A new venture - preventing spam
I'm looking for people who are interested in founding with me a new venture related to preventing spam. The anti-spam market is a big market and in 2 or 3 years it's expected to become a market of billions. I already have an idea of solving this problem. I believe that with the right people with me we'll be able to find a solution to this problem. If any of you is interested, please contact me for more information. First off, I wish you all the luck in the world, both in solving the problem and making Billions. Still, by the way you type, I would strongly suggest you read the following (FUSSP) before attempting to solve the problem: http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/you-might-be.html Gadi. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
my new Palm Zire 72
This should be easy, but for some reason, I can't seem to sync my new USB Palm. My previous Palm was a serial one and pilot-xfer -p/dev/ttyS1 worked fine. When I plugged in the USB cable on my new Zire 72, a KPILOT icon popped up on the KDE desktop so I thought - wow, this is going to be easy. But, although the icon popped up (and usbview also recognizes the Palm), it doesn't work. I tried autodetection in the Kpilot configuration wizard, but it seems to be looking for /dev/pilot which doesn't exist. I looked in the /dev directory and didn't find anything. If someone could walk me through the setup, it would be greatly appreciated. TIA -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail 1.7.1 (KDE 3.2.3) on LINUX Mandrake 10.1 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: my new Palm Zire 72
why not to link from /dev/pilot to /dev/usb ? (or whatever the device is called on your system). Shlomo Solomon wrote: This should be easy, but for some reason, I can't seem to sync my new USB Palm. My previous Palm was a serial one and pilot-xfer -p/dev/ttyS1 worked fine. When I plugged in the USB cable on my new Zire 72, a KPILOT icon popped up on the KDE desktop so I thought - wow, this is going to be easy. But, although the icon popped up (and usbview also recognizes the Palm), it doesn't work. I tried autodetection in the Kpilot configuration wizard, but it seems to be looking for /dev/pilot which doesn't exist. I looked in the /dev directory and didn't find anything. If someone could walk me through the setup, it would be greatly appreciated. TIA -- Regards, Lior Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Guides.co.il Debian GNU/Linux unstable (SID) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: my new Palm Zire 72
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 09:07:02PM +0300, Shlomo Solomon wrote: This should be easy, but for some reason, I can't seem to sync my new USB Palm. My previous Palm was a serial one and pilot-xfer -p/dev/ttyS1 worked fine. When I plugged in the USB cable on my new Zire 72, a KPILOT icon popped up on the KDE desktop so I thought - wow, this is going to be easy. But, although the icon popped up (and usbview also recognizes the Palm), it doesn't work. I tried autodetection in the Kpilot configuration wizard, but it seems to be looking for /dev/pilot which doesn't exist. I looked in the /dev directory and didn't find anything. USB Palms use either /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/ttyUSB1, depending on model. Use e.g. something like 'dlpsh -p /dev/ttyUSB0' (from pilot-link) to find out which one, and make /dev/pilot a link to it. If someone could walk me through the setup, it would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to contact me if you need help. -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: my new Palm Zire 72
On Mon, 4 Jul 2005, Shlomo Solomon wrote:
When I plugged in the USB cable on my new Zire 72, a KPILOT icon popped up on
the KDE desktop so I thought - wow, this is going to be easy. But, although
the icon popped up (and usbview also recognizes the Palm), it doesn't work. I
tried autodetection in the Kpilot configuration wizard, but it seems to be
looking for /dev/pilot which doesn't exist. I looked in the /dev directory
and didn't find anything.
If someone could walk me through the setup, it would be greatly appreciated.
On my Fedora system, this is the content of
/etc/udev/rules.d/10-visor.rules:
BUS=usb, SYSFS{product}=Palm Handheld*, KERNEL=ttyUSB*, SYMLINK=pilot
If you are using another system based on udev, it might be similar. If
you don't use udev, just create this symbolic link (pilot-ttyUSB1).
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Re: my new Palm Zire 72
On Monday 04 July 2005 21:43, Lior Kaplan wrote:
why not to link from /dev/pilot to /dev/usb ? (or whatever the device is
called on your system).
as I wrote before, I didn't find any new device in /dev - maybe I'm not
looking in the right place.
On Monday 04 July 2005 21:46, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
USB Palms use either /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/ttyUSB1, depending on model.
Use e.g. something like 'dlpsh -p /dev/ttyUSB0' (from pilot-link) to
find out which one, and make /dev/pilot a link to it.
I tried the dlpsh command (even though neither of these devices exist), but as
I expected there was no result.
On Monday 04 July 2005 22:26, Matan Ziv-Av wrote:
On my Fedora system, this is the content of
/etc/udev/rules.d/10-visor.rules:
BUS=usb, SYSFS{product}=Palm Handheld*, KERNEL=ttyUSB*,
SYMLINK=pilot
If you are using another system based on udev, it might be similar. If
you don't use udev, just create this symbolic link (pilot-ttyUSB1).
Mandrake also uses udev, but I didn't find anything interesting
in /etc/udev/rules.d - again, maybe I'm looking in the wrong palce. I admit
to knowing very little about how udev works. Here's the content of that
directory.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]$ ls -la /etc/udev/rules.d
total 28
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 272 Jan 4 15:55 ./
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 160 Jan 4 15:55 ../
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2094 Dec 28 2004 00-lsb.rules
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4090 Dec 28 2004 01-devfs.rules
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 64 Dec 28 2004 06-dvb.rules
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29 Dec 20 2004 dvd2.rules
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 28 Dec 20 2004 dvd.rules
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 37 Dec 20 2004 mouse.rules
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 312 Dec 28 2004 provision.tbl
I looked at all the files listed above, but none of them mention the Palm.
The strange thing is that, as I wrote earlier, a Kpilot icon pops up when I
plug in the USB cable, so obviously, something is at least partially
configured.
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Re: my new Palm Zire 72
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 10:56:55PM +0300, Shlomo Solomon wrote: On Monday 04 July 2005 21:46, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: USB Palms use either /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/ttyUSB1, depending on model. Use e.g. something like 'dlpsh -p /dev/ttyUSB0' (from pilot-link) to find out which one, and make /dev/pilot a link to it. I tried the dlpsh command (even though neither of these devices exist), but as I expected there was no result. OK. For a start, try to create it manually. # mknod /dev/ttyUSB0 c 188 0 # mknod /dev/ttyUSB1 c 188 1 If it works, you might try playing with udev etc. if you want. If not, maybe you need to manually load the module - I don't know if hotplug does that automatically (and you did not say if you use hotplug but I guess you do). # modprobe visor Ohhh, one more thing - maybe that's the problem: The device is connected only when you do hotsync (with the cradle or the hotsync app). Try to press it and then check stuff (if you have a device etc.). Otherwise it does not appear to be connected (e.g. you won't see it in lsusb). -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: my new Palm Zire 72
On Mon, 4 Jul 2005, Shlomo Solomon wrote:
On my Fedora system, this is the content of
/etc/udev/rules.d/10-visor.rules:
BUS=usb, SYSFS{product}=Palm Handheld*, KERNEL=ttyUSB*,
SYMLINK=pilot
If you are using another system based on udev, it might be similar. If
you don't use udev, just create this symbolic link (pilot-ttyUSB1).
Mandrake also uses udev, but I didn't find anything interesting
in /etc/udev/rules.d - again, maybe I'm looking in the wrong palce. I admit
to knowing very little about how udev works. Here's the content of that
directory.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]$ ls -la /etc/udev/rules.d
total 28
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 272 Jan 4 15:55 ./
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 160 Jan 4 15:55 ../
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2094 Dec 28 2004 00-lsb.rules
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4090 Dec 28 2004 01-devfs.rules
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 64 Dec 28 2004 06-dvb.rules
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29 Dec 20 2004 dvd2.rules
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 28 Dec 20 2004 dvd.rules
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 37 Dec 20 2004 mouse.rules
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 312 Dec 28 2004 provision.tbl
You should create this file. No matter the name (as long as it ends
with .rules), but the content should be the line I wrote. If you don't
have ttyUSB devices at all, that might indicate a problem. Please show
the relevant lines from dmesg. At least on the TE, the device is
recognized (and the device files created) only when I run hotsync on the
Palm.
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Re: my new Palm Zire 72
On Monday 04 July 2005 23:43, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: If not, maybe you need to manually load the module - I don't know if hotplug does that automatically (and you did not say if you use hotplug but I guess you do). # modprobe visor not necessary - the module is loaded: [EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]# lsmod | grep visor visor 16144 17 usbserial 25384 27 visor usbcore 103172 9 visor,usbserial,usbmouse,quickcam,usbhid,usblp,ohci-hcd [EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]# Ohhh, one more thing - maybe that's the problem: The device is connected only when you do hotsync (with the cradle or the hotsync app). Try to press it and then check stuff (if you have a device etc.). Otherwise it does not appear to be connected (e.g. you won't see it in lsusb). On Tuesday 05 July 2005 00:15, Matan Ziv-Av wrote: You should create this file. No matter the name (as long as it ends with .rules), but the content should be the line I wrote. If you don't have ttyUSB devices at all, that might indicate a problem. Please show the relevant lines from dmesg. At least on the TE, the device is recognized (and the device files created) only when I run hotsync on the Palm. OK - I think I'm making some progress here. Each time I connect or disconnect the USB cable, there are changes in the /dev directory. Notice that there are several USB devices being created - always two at a time. I'm also including dmesg output below. But I've tried using each of the USB devices to sync and I get no response from the Palm. For example, the command pilot-xfer -p/dev/ttyUSB5 -l and running hotsync does nothing and eventually, the Palm hotsync application times out. [EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]$ ls -la /dev/ttyUSB* crw-rw 1 solomon uucp 188, 0 Jul 4 22:33 /dev/ttyUSB0 crw-rw 1 solomon uucp 188, 1 Jul 4 22:33 /dev/ttyUSB1 crw-rw 1 solomon uucp 188, 2 Jul 5 00:54 /dev/ttyUSB2 crw-rw 1 solomon uucp 188, 3 Jul 5 00:54 /dev/ttyUSB3 crw-rw 1 solomon uucp 188, 4 Jul 5 00:55 /dev/ttyUSB4 crw-rw 1 solomon uucp 188, 5 Jul 5 00:55 /dev/ttyUSB5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]$ ls -la /dev/tts total 0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 320 Jul 5 00:55 ./ drwxr-xr-x 21 root root 4540 Jul 5 00:55 ../ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root8 Jun 24 05:31 0 - ../ttyS0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root8 Jun 24 05:31 1 - ../ttyS1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root8 Jun 24 05:31 2 - ../ttyS2 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root8 Jun 24 05:31 3 - ../ttyS3 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root8 Jun 24 05:31 4 - ../ttyS4 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root8 Jun 24 05:31 5 - ../ttyS5 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root8 Jun 24 05:31 6 - ../ttyS6 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root8 Jun 24 05:31 7 - ../ttyS7 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Jul 4 22:33 USB0 - ../ttyUSB0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Jul 4 22:33 USB1 - ../ttyUSB1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Jul 5 00:54 USB2 - ../ttyUSB2 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Jul 5 00:54 USB3 - ../ttyUSB3 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Jul 5 00:55 USB4 - ../ttyUSB4 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Jul 5 00:55 USB5 - ../ttyUSB5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]$ -- from dmesg usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 54 visor 2-2:1.0: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter detected usb 2-2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB4 usb 2-2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB5 snip usb 2-2: USB disconnect, address 54 visor ttyUSB4: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now disconnected from ttyUSB4 visor ttyUSB5: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now disconnected from ttyUSB5 visor 2-2:1.0: device disconnected snip usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 55 visor 2-2:1.0: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter detected usb 2-2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB4 usb 2-2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB5 snip usb 2-2: USB disconnect, address 55 visor ttyUSB4: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now disconnected from ttyUSB4 visor ttyUSB5: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now disconnected from ttyUSB5 visor 2-2:1.0: device disconnected snip usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 56 visor 2-2:1.0: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter detected usb 2-2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB4 usb 2-2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB5 -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail 1.7.1 (KDE 3.2.3) on LINUX Mandrake 10.1 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: pidof on a process (which was ran by passing arguments from the command li
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Re: my new Palm Zire 72
On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 01:32:33AM +0300, Shlomo Solomon wrote:
OK - I think I'm making some progress here. Each time I connect or
At last :-)
disconnect the USB cable, there are changes in the /dev directory. Notice
that there are several USB devices being created - always two at a time. I'm
also including dmesg output below. But I've tried using each of the USB
devices to sync and I get no response from the Palm.
For example, the command pilot-xfer -p/dev/ttyUSB5 -l and running hotsync
does
nothing and eventually, the Palm hotsync application times out.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]$ ls -la /dev/ttyUSB*
crw-rw 1 solomon uucp 188, 0 Jul 4 22:33 /dev/ttyUSB0
crw-rw 1 solomon uucp 188, 1 Jul 4 22:33 /dev/ttyUSB1
crw-rw 1 solomon uucp 188, 2 Jul 5 00:54 /dev/ttyUSB2
crw-rw 1 solomon uucp 188, 3 Jul 5 00:54 /dev/ttyUSB3
crw-rw 1 solomon uucp 188, 4 Jul 5 00:55 /dev/ttyUSB4
crw-rw 1 solomon uucp 188, 5 Jul 5 00:55 /dev/ttyUSB5
[snip]
-- from dmesg
usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 54
visor 2-2:1.0: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter detected
usb 2-2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB4
usb 2-2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB5
[snip]
OK.
I have no idea about how to continue. I'll just summarize my experience.
I never used a Zire72.
I did use (i.e. connected to a linux machine) a VX (serial cradle), and
m130, Tungsten T, Tungsten T3, Zire31 (only a few times). All of them,
IIRC, and at least the Tungstens for sure, emit two connections in dmesg
- e.g.
Jul 3 08:01:59 maint kernel: usb 1-1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS
converter now attached to ttyUSB0
Jul 3 08:01:59 maint kernel: usb 1-1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS
converter now attached to ttyUSB1
Jul 3 08:02:03 maint kernel: visor ttyUSB0: Handspring Visor / Palm OS
converter now disconnected from ttyUSB0
Jul 3 08:02:03 maint kernel: visor ttyUSB1: Handspring Visor / Palm OS
converter now disconnected from ttyUSB1
But, as I said, some are actually accessible from ttyUSB0 and some from
ttyUSB1. I wanted to find out automatically which one, which wasn't
easy (found no real info on google). So I simply tried, and at least for
the first 3, I use the following script:
#!/bin/sh
MAX=30
# Fallback
dev=ttyUSB1
tmp1=`mktemp /tmp/get-palm-dev.XX`
n=0
while [ $n -lt $MAX ]; do
lsusb -v $tmp1
if cat $tmp1 | awk '/Palm/ {palm=1; p=$0} palm /bcdUSB/ {print p,
$0; exit}' | grep -q 'P
alm Tungsten T.*bcdUSB.*1\.00'; then
dev=ttyUSB1
break
elif cat $tmp1 | grep -q Palm; then
dev=ttyUSB0
break
fi
sleep 1
echo -n . 12
n=`expr $n + 1`
done
rm $tmp1
echo $dev
That is, the only difference between the Tungstens is the bcdUSB, which
is IIRC 1.10 with the T3 and 1.00 with T (or vice-verse).
I do not think it will work for other palms without tweaking, so do not
use it as is.
I never saw one that used 4 and 5 like yours. A first guess would be
that you also have other usb-serial hardware connected, but you say that
before connecting there are no devices, which rules it out.
Did you try also 0-3 (Even though the kernel says 4 and 5)?
Doesn't google say anything useful about Zire72?
You might want to look at linux/Documentation/usb/usb-serial.txt.
Are you sure the hardware is ok? Does it work in Windows? You might
even be able to find out what device it uses in Windows (I have no
idea how).
BTW, which kernel version? Did you try doing this as root (not needed
here, but lsusb -vv does need it on some combinations of
kernel/filesystem (there are both usbfs and the older usbdevfs)?
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