Re: Trolling ebay for computers: Chips ahoy!

2002-12-13 Thread ronnie gauthier
Not to slam ebay but have you looked at 
http://www.tigerdirect.com

On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:43:14 -0500 - Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Trolling ebay for computers: Chips ahoy!

I would like to buy some economical computers on ebay. I will need
three at work and I'll be able to pick them out, me thinks. I have a
reasonable budget so I am not trying to scrimp, but I don't want to
over spend, either.

One has to likely run windows98, the others maybe linux. This will be
graphically intensive work (capturing 4 million pixel images from a
nikon camera) and manipulating same later on.

So, is a Duron chip worth looking at? They seem to be the cheapest,
likely for a good reason. Athlons work fine with linux. Does Athlon XP
work with linux? 

Thanks,
Joel



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DVD for Linux - audio problem

2002-12-13 Thread Anita Lewis
Hi.  I got the Plextor Combo CDRW/DVD player.  I can burn cds in linux and
use that fine.  I installed MPlayer and compiled my kernel to enable dma.  I
then figured out how to use hdparm to enable the dma on hdc and still have
the thing set to scd0.  

So, I now get the movie going just fine at the right speed with audio.  Very
nice for about 15 seconds and then the audio cuts out.  The video keeps
going which makes me think that the bus speed is ok.  Anyone here know
anything about this?  Maybe MPlayer is a little complex for the job.  I was
going to try Xine, but I saw that they don't decode.  I had to install the
lib for css separately for MPlayer too; so maybe that is what you do with
Xine.  

MPlayer mentions possible buggy sound driver in their docs, but the sound is
perfect for that short time.

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Re: Anyone recall my questions about backups?

2002-12-13 Thread Robert Black Eagle
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 Feigning erudition, Bob Raymond wrote:
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 % nope... too much  bubblewrap- I did manage to see the face of the
 drive- is it % normal for it to be silver in color?

Which side is the face?

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Re: CW: Business Looks To Linux Desktops; Some Critical Apps Lacking

2002-12-13 Thread Robert Black Eagle
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On Thursday 12 December 2002 8:25 pm, Bill Campbell wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 05:35:05AM -0800, Bob Hemus wrote:

 Unfortunately most certified Microsoft support folks only know (a)
 which Microsoft product to sell, and (b) how to reinstall.  They're
 totally lacking in diagnostic capabilities to find out what's wrong
 and fix the machine without reinstalling.

True story.  I was left in the lurch when my ISP did not tell me ahead 
of time they were changing hardware, software and phone numbers (DNS 
changes and all sorts of goodies).  I called up the technician and 
asked how I should configure my system.  The first guy was clueless, so 
I went to a Second Level Technician -- this is what happened.

What system are you using? the clueless wonder asked.
Linux, I said.
I'm sorry, we don't support linux, came the reply.
Bull shit, I said, your ISP runs with linux, I checked.
We don't support linux, he repeated.
Look, I don't need anything but the DNS, phone number and whatever 
other information is needed to log on and use my account -- it doesn't 
matter if it's linux or not.
But we don't support linux, the technical parrot repeated.
Look, are you telling me your phone number changes if I run linux, or 
use a Mac or run OS/2?  Are you telling me you just don't know what 
your DNS is?
I'd like to help you, but we don't support linux.

I hung up and called back later and pretended to be on a Windows system 
and wrote down the information which I then used to set up my linux 
system which they don't support.  Mind you, when I called the company 
(Prodigy), they claimed that second level techs were computer science 
majors with at least three years of computer science.  Apparently even 
colleges turn out fools these days.

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Re: DVD for Linux - audio problem

2002-12-13 Thread Jim Bonnet
Anita Lewis wrote:

Hi.  I got the Plextor Combo CDRW/DVD player.  I can burn cds in linux and
use that fine.  I installed MPlayer and compiled my kernel to enable dma.  I
then figured out how to use hdparm to enable the dma on hdc and still have
the thing set to scd0.  

So, I now get the movie going just fine at the right speed with audio.  Very
nice for about 15 seconds and then the audio cuts out.  The video keeps
going which makes me think that the bus speed is ok.  Anyone here know
anything about this?  Maybe MPlayer is a little complex for the job.  I was
going to try Xine, but I saw that they don't decode.  I had to install the
lib for css separately for MPlayer too; so maybe that is what you do with
Xine.  

MPlayer mentions possible buggy sound driver in their docs, but the sound is
perfect for that short time.


I am using ogle and it works well. You may want to try it.

Im using the ALSA sound drivers, some toshiba? 16x DVD drive, 
SoundBlaster live card, on a 2.8hgz p4 512mb ram and radeon9000 video 
card..

Im _not_ using scsi emulation on my drive I found the playback to be 
choppy. Once I removed the emulation and cranked up DMA it was fine.. 
Didnt trouble shoot the scsi emulation more than that though.

I think the Mr. Llama! uses Mplayer, maybe he's got pointers for you.. I 
messed with building it once and ran out of time to finish it.. Im sure 
its a fine player, looks nice anyway..

best regards-
Jim


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Re: DVD for Linux - audio problem

2002-12-13 Thread Net Llama!
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Anita Lewis wrote:
 Hi.  I got the Plextor Combo CDRW/DVD player.  I can burn cds in linux and
 use that fine.  I installed MPlayer and compiled my kernel to enable dma.  I
 then figured out how to use hdparm to enable the dma on hdc and still have
 the thing set to scd0.

 So, I now get the movie going just fine at the right speed with audio.  Very
 nice for about 15 seconds and then the audio cuts out.  The video keeps
 going which makes me think that the bus speed is ok.  Anyone here know
 anything about this?  Maybe MPlayer is a little complex for the job.  I was
 going to try Xine, but I saw that they don't decode.  I had to install the
 lib for css separately for MPlayer too; so maybe that is what you do with
 Xine.

Go with Xine.  Its worth all the extra effort.  See my SxS for building
Xine, and its very easy to build.  MPlayer is a great movie player, but
i've had loads of problems trying to get it to work right with DVDs, while
Xine has always worked perfectly for DVDs.

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Re: Trolling ebay for computers: Chips ahoy!

2002-12-13 Thread Net Llama!
Avoid TigerDirect at all costs:
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1983.html

Note their well below average rating, as well as the multitude of negative
feedback.  I recently purchased from them, against my better judgement,
and:
1) I was on hold for 50 minutes trying to take to a sales rep
2) That sales rep hung up on me after giving me the wrong tracking number
for my shipment
3) I emailed them *12* days ago asking for the correct tracking number,
and have yet to get a reply.

Some people seem to have had good luck, but i think its just that, luck.
This company has a very poor track record that they seem to think they can
fix by having cust. service managers call disgruntled customers after the
damage has been done.

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, ronnie gauthier wrote:

 Not to slam ebay but have you looked at
 http://www.tigerdirect.com

 On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:43:14 -0500 - Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote the following
 Re: Trolling ebay for computers: Chips ahoy!

 I would like to buy some economical computers on ebay. I will need
 three at work and I'll be able to pick them out, me thinks. I have a
 reasonable budget so I am not trying to scrimp, but I don't want to
 over spend, either.
 
 One has to likely run windows98, the others maybe linux. This will be
 graphically intensive work (capturing 4 million pixel images from a
 nikon camera) and manipulating same later on.
 
 So, is a Duron chip worth looking at? They seem to be the cheapest,
 likely for a good reason. Athlons work fine with linux. Does Athlon XP
 work with linux?
 
 Thanks,
 Joel
 
 
 
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Re: Anyone recall my questions about backups?

2002-12-13 Thread Bruce Marshall
On Thursday 12 December 2002 22:24 pm, Bob Raymond wrote:
  One hopes that the fall from the truck didn't break it...

 nope... too much  bubblewrap- I did manage to see the face of the
 drive- is it normal for it to be silver in color?

Both of my Sony drives are beige...


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Re: DVD for Linux - audio problem

2002-12-13 Thread Net Llama!
On 13 Dec 2002, Jim Bonnet wrote:
 I think the Mr. Llama! uses Mplayer, maybe he's got pointers for you.. I
 messed with building it once and ran out of time to finish it.. Im sure
 its a fine player, looks nice anyway..

I use MPlayer for movies, and Xine for DVDs, both without a problem.  I'm
not sure what you mean by running out of time building MPlayer, since it
builds faster than Xine.

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Re: Trolling ebay for computers: Chips ahoy!

2002-12-13 Thread Bruce Marshall
On Friday 13 December 2002 9:43 am, Net Llama! wrote:
 Avoid TigerDirect at all costs:
 http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1983.html

 Note their well below average rating, as well as the multitude of
 negative feedback.  I recently purchased from them, against my better
 judgement, and:
 1) I was on hold for 50 minutes trying to take to a sales rep
 2) That sales rep hung up on me after giving me the wrong tracking
 number for my shipment
 3) I emailed them *12* days ago asking for the correct tracking
 number, and have yet to get a reply.

 Some people seem to have had good luck, but i think its just that,
 luck. This company has a very poor track record that they seem to
 think they can fix by having cust. service managers call disgruntled
 customers after the damage has been done.

I second that  They suck and I would never consider buying from them.


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Re: Anyone recall my questions about backups?

2002-12-13 Thread Bob Raymond
On Friday 13 December 2002 02:34 pm, Robert Black Eagle wrote:
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 On Thursday 12 December 2002 9:44 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Feigning erudition, Bob Raymond wrote:
  %
  % nope... too much  bubblewrap- I did manage to see the face of the
  drive- is it % normal for it to be silver in color?

 Which side is the face?

uh.. the side with a door and an eject button, and leds... but I guess it 
might be beige- it appears that there is an antistatic bag that I didn't see 
before... now time for me to stop snooping on my Christmas presents!


Bob Raymond
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Re: Trolling ebay for computers: Chips ahoy!

2002-12-13 Thread Tim Wunder
On 12/13/2002 9:43 AM, someone claiming to be Net Llama! wrote:

Avoid TigerDirect at all costs:
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1983.html

Note their well below average rating, as well as the multitude of negative
feedback.  I recently purchased from them, against my better judgement,
and:
1) I was on hold for 50 minutes trying to take to a sales rep
2) That sales rep hung up on me after giving me the wrong tracking number
for my shipment
3) I emailed them *12* days ago asking for the correct tracking number,
and have yet to get a reply.

Some people seem to have had good luck, but i think its just that, luck.
This company has a very poor track record that they seem to think they can
fix by having cust. service managers call disgruntled customers after the
damage has been done.


snip

The problem with using a site like resellerratings.com is that you only get ratings by people who care to fill out a survey, to quote them, A company's ratings are solely based upon customers' answers to our survey questions.

Personally, I'm *much* more likely to fill out a survey if I have a bad experience than I am if the experience was good, if I bother to fill out a survey at all (I *hate* surveys). And I believe that can be said about people in general. My boss has bought several things from Tiger and they've always been helpful and the merchandise was received promptly. I doubt, however, that experience is included in their rating on resellerratings.com, since he is unlikely to bother with filling out a survey.

I don't doubt you've had problems, I'm just doubting the validity of the rating site you reference.

Regards, 
Tim






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Re: DVD for Linux - audio problem

2002-12-13 Thread Jim Bonnet
Net Llama! wrote:

On 13 Dec 2002, Jim Bonnet wrote:


I think the Mr. Llama! uses Mplayer, maybe he's got pointers for you.. I
messed with building it once and ran out of time to finish it.. Im sure
its a fine player, looks nice anyway..



I use MPlayer for movies, and Xine for DVDs, both without a problem.  I'm
not sure what you mean by running out of time building MPlayer, since it
builds faster than Xine.



screaming kid and grouchy wife.. nuff said.. =)

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Re: DVD for Linux - audio problem

2002-12-13 Thread Net Llama!
On 13 Dec 2002, Jim Bonnet wrote:
 Net Llama! wrote:
  On 13 Dec 2002, Jim Bonnet wrote:
 
 I think the Mr. Llama! uses Mplayer, maybe he's got pointers for you.. I
 messed with building it once and ran out of time to finish it.. Im sure
 its a fine player, looks nice anyway..
 
 
  I use MPlayer for movies, and Xine for DVDs, both without a problem.  I'm
  not sure what you mean by running out of time building MPlayer, since it
  builds faster than Xine.
 

 screaming kid and grouchy wife.. nuff said.. =)

A...yes.  Been there, done that.  :)

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Re: Trolling ebay for computers: Chips ahoy!

2002-12-13 Thread Net Llama!
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Tim Wunder wrote:
 On 12/13/2002 9:43 AM, someone claiming to be Net Llama! wrote:
  Avoid TigerDirect at all costs:
  http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1983.html
 
  Note their well below average rating, as well as the multitude of negative
  feedback.  I recently purchased from them, against my better judgement,
  and:
  1) I was on hold for 50 minutes trying to take to a sales rep
  2) That sales rep hung up on me after giving me the wrong tracking number
  for my shipment
  3) I emailed them *12* days ago asking for the correct tracking number,
  and have yet to get a reply.
 
  Some people seem to have had good luck, but i think its just that, luck.
  This company has a very poor track record that they seem to think they can
  fix by having cust. service managers call disgruntled customers after the
  damage has been done.
 
 snip

 The problem with using a site like resellerratings.com is that you only get ratings 
by people who care to fill out a survey, to quote them, A company's ratings are 
solely based upon customers' answers to our survey questions.

 Personally, I'm *much* more likely to fill out a survey if I have a bad experience 
than I am if the experience was good, if I bother to fill out a survey at all (I 
*hate* surveys). And I believe that can be said about people in general. My boss has 
bought several things from Tiger and they've always been helpful and the merchandise 
was received promptly. I doubt, however, that experience is included in their rating 
on resellerratings.com, since he is unlikely to bother with filling out a survey.

 I don't doubt you've had problems, I'm just doubting the validity of the rating site 
you reference.

You are right, most people only care about providing feedback when they've
been pissed off, however that doesn't change the fact that some resellers
have significantly better ratings than TigerDirect.  At the least it means
that TigerDirect has pissed off alot more people than other vendors.

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Re: CW: Business Looks To Linux Desktops; Some Critical Apps Lacking

2002-12-13 Thread Lee
On Friday 13 December 2002 09:32, Robert Black Eagle wrote:
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 On Thursday 12 December 2002 8:25 pm, Bill Campbell wrote:
  On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 05:35:05AM -0800, Bob Hemus wrote:
 
  Unfortunately most certified Microsoft support folks only know (a)
  which Microsoft product to sell, and (b) how to reinstall.  They're
  totally lacking in diagnostic capabilities to find out what's wrong
  and fix the machine without reinstalling.

 True story.  I was left in the lurch when my ISP did not tell me ahead
 of time they were changing hardware, software and phone numbers (DNS
 changes and all sorts of goodies).  I called up the technician and
 asked how I should configure my system.  The first guy was clueless, so
 I went to a Second Level Technician -- this is what happened.

 What system are you using? the clueless wonder asked.
 Linux, I said.
 I'm sorry, we don't support linux, came the reply.
 Bull shit, I said, your ISP runs with linux, I checked.
 We don't support linux, he repeated.
 Look, I don't need anything but the DNS, phone number and whatever
 other information is needed to log on and use my account -- it doesn't
 matter if it's linux or not.
 But we don't support linux, the technical parrot repeated.
 Look, are you telling me your phone number changes if I run linux, or
 use a Mac or run OS/2?  Are you telling me you just don't know what
 your DNS is?
 I'd like to help you, but we don't support linux.

 I hung up and called back later and pretended to be on a Windows system
 and wrote down the information which I then used to set up my linux
 system which they don't support.  Mind you, when I called the company
 (Prodigy), they claimed that second level techs were computer science
 majors with at least three years of computer science.  Apparently even
 colleges turn out fools these days.

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It's differnt other places. My ISP, gtcom.net,in Apalachicola, Fl. isn't 
much. They just lease space on a server in Atlanta, Ga. When I set up my 
first Linux system I was delighted to find that the main company in Atlanta 
had two techs on staff who only handled Linux. They not only gave me the info 
I needed to set up one box with the regular kppp setup, but talked me through 
setting up a box using scripting.

Lee

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Re: Trolling ebay for computers: Chips ahoy!

2002-12-13 Thread Stuart Biggerstaff
The downside to the $200.00 Walmart PC is that it has a VIA C3, and 128MB 
of memory--part of which it steals for video.  And it may not have an AGP 
slot to add a different card.  However, the same box is available with 
Lycoris or no OS, or for another $100.00 with WinXP home.  I think it will 
go to 1GB of memory, and there are still decent PCI video cards out there.

Walmart also sells systems with Mandrake, but not the cheap one.  Their 
higher-end systems seem not to be priced quite so irresistibly, and still 
use onboard shared-RAM video.

I have to second Lonni's criticism of Tiger, though must admit to being one 
of those who has had good luck with them.  It comes from their originally 
(and still to some extent) being a vendor of surplus merchandise.  The 
house brand (Systemax) PCs they sell are also available from Global 
Computer Supplies (http://www.globalcomputer.com/main/home.jsp).  And the 
Vision systems are available direct--though on their site you have to be 
careful or you get redirected to Tiger.

At 09:18 AM 12/13/02 -0500, Douglas J Hunley wrote:
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Bill Day spewed electrons into the ether that resembled:
 I would consider TigerDirect route as well... I have been fairly pleases
 with items I have gootne from there.

check out
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product_listing.gsp?cat=106560path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937%3A86796%3A106562%3A10650

walmart.com now sells Lindows pcs for $200

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DirectWay/Linux?

2002-12-13 Thread Tony Alfrey
I'm getting sales literature from my isp trying to sell me a DirectWay 
satellite link (the Hughes box).  The sales support people tell me I 
gotta use Windoze (ugh, ugh, ugh) and I seem to remember seeing 
something about an upcoming unix port.
Is anybody out there using this DirectWay setup, and better yet, are you 
using linux??
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Re: Trolling ebay for computers: Chips ahoy!

2002-12-13 Thread ronnie gauthier
I have never had a problem with tiger. I have learned you do have to ask
to make sure everything you want is in stock.
But then again, if you converse with them like you at times converse
here, I suppose I might put you on hold for ~more~ than 50 minutes, you
got off easy. ;-)

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:43:27 -0500 (EST) - Net Llama!
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Re: Re: Trolling ebay for computers: Chips ahoy!

Avoid TigerDirect at all costs:
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1983.html

Note their well below average rating, as well as the multitude of
negative feedback.  I recently purchased from them, against my better
judgement, and:
1) I was on hold for 50 minutes trying to take to a sales rep
2) That sales rep hung up on me after giving me the wrong tracking
number for my shipment
3) I emailed them *12* days ago asking for the correct tracking number,
and have yet to get a reply.

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Re: Trolling ebay for computers: Chips ahoy!

2002-12-13 Thread Net Llama!
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, ronnie gauthier wrote:
 I have never had a problem with tiger. I have learned you do have to ask
 to make sure everything you want is in stock.

That should be completely unneccesary, especially if purchasing off of
their website.  And since i was onhold for 50 minutes when calling them, i
sure as hell wouldn't have purchased from them if i had to call to make
the initial sale.  It seems that a significant number of the complaints
against them can be categorized as fraud, where they told someone that
what they purchased had shipped the same day, when in reality it wasn't
even in stock, and didn't ship for days or weeks later.  Or the person was
billed more for shipping than was indicated at the time of sale.

 But then again, if you converse with them like you at times converse
 here, I suppose I might put you on hold for ~more~ than 50 minutes, you
 got off easy. ;-)

please keep your flaimbait to yourself, thank you.


 On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:43:27 -0500 (EST) - Net Llama!
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following
 Re: Re: Trolling ebay for computers: Chips ahoy!

 Avoid TigerDirect at all costs:
 http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1983.html
 
 Note their well below average rating, as well as the multitude of
 negative feedback.  I recently purchased from them, against my better
 judgement, and:
 1) I was on hold for 50 minutes trying to take to a sales rep
 2) That sales rep hung up on me after giving me the wrong tracking
 number for my shipment
 3) I emailed them *12* days ago asking for the correct tracking number,
 and have yet to get a reply.
 
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Re: Trolling ebay for computers: Chips ahoy!

2002-12-13 Thread Bill Day
Tim, I agree.. but if everyone did utilize the survey(which I too despise)
it would be more accurate.

The worst company I have dealt with, ProView monitors.. I wont go there..

However for online ordering and such, I seem to be ready to use TigerDirect,
CDW and Comps4sure time and time again... until they try to screw me..  once
done to me I will shun them to everyone that asks for a good place..

Sorry for your luck Lonnie, with TD, but I cant give them a bad rap until I
have a problem with them.

Bill Day

Linux 2.2.20-1tr i586
  7:09am  up 9 days, 22:11,  0 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
We're still up at irc.openprojects.net @ #linux-users
or irc.freenode.net @ #linux-users
http://counter.li.org #83358
http://sxs.daysdomain.com/

- Original Message -
From: Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: Trolling ebay for computers: Chips ahoy!


 On 12/13/2002 9:43 AM, someone claiming to be Net Llama! wrote:
  Avoid TigerDirect at all costs:
  http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1983.html
 
  Note their well below average rating, as well as the multitude of
negative
  feedback.  I recently purchased from them, against my better judgement,
  and:
  1) I was on hold for 50 minutes trying to take to a sales rep
  2) That sales rep hung up on me after giving me the wrong tracking
number
  for my shipment
  3) I emailed them *12* days ago asking for the correct tracking number,
  and have yet to get a reply.
 
  Some people seem to have had good luck, but i think its just that, luck.
  This company has a very poor track record that they seem to think they
can
  fix by having cust. service managers call disgruntled customers after
the
  damage has been done.
 
 snip

 The problem with using a site like resellerratings.com is that you only
get ratings by people who care to fill out a survey, to quote them, A
company's ratings are solely based upon customers' answers to our survey
questions.

 Personally, I'm *much* more likely to fill out a survey if I have a bad
experience than I am if the experience was good, if I bother to fill out a
survey at all (I *hate* surveys). And I believe that can be said about
people in general. My boss has bought several things from Tiger and they've
always been helpful and the merchandise was received promptly. I doubt,
however, that experience is included in their rating on resellerratings.com,
since he is unlikely to bother with filling out a survey.

 I don't doubt you've had problems, I'm just doubting the validity of the
rating site you reference.

 Regards,
 Tim






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Re: Trolling ebay for computers: Chips ahoy!

2002-12-13 Thread ronnie gauthier
Thats not flamebait. It merely an explanation of why you will go
through life collecting more shit that you feel you deserve. You talk
down your nose at people. Expcet them to put you on hold just to get
even. It a fact of life.


please keep your flaimbait to yourself, thank you.


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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following
 Re: Re: Trolling ebay for computers: Chips ahoy!

 Avoid TigerDirect at all costs:
 http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1983.html
 
 Note their well below average rating, as well as the multitude of
 negative feedback.  I recently purchased from them, against my
better judgement, and:
 1) I was on hold for 50 minutes trying to take to a sales rep
 2) That sales rep hung up on me after giving me the wrong tracking
 number for my shipment
 3) I emailed them *12* days ago asking for the correct tracking
number, and have yet to get a reply.
 
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Re: Trolling ebay for computers: Chips ahoy!

2002-12-13 Thread Net Llama!
pot. kettle. black.  HAND.

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, ronnie gauthier wrote:

 Thats not flamebait. It merely an explanation of why you will go
 through life collecting more shit that you feel you deserve. You talk
 down your nose at people. Expcet them to put you on hold just to get
 even. It a fact of life.

 
 please keep your flaimbait to yourself, thank you.

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RE: Conversion [OT?]

2002-12-13 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] typed thusly on Thursday,
December 12, 2002 4:37 PM:

 Feigning erudition, Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote:
 %
 % Does anyone in this august body know of a translator/converter that
 would % translate a Java program to C++?
 
 I think that would be a programmer. ;-)~
 
 Kurt

Oh, but Kurt, the first rule of programming is to not re-invent the wheel.
If someone has already written a nice YACC program that will do the job, why
should I?  Now, if I were a consultant...  ;-}


In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord,

Tom  :-})

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RE: CW: Business Looks To Linux Desktops; Some Critical Apps Lacking

2002-12-13 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA
Bill Campbell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] typed thusly on Thursday, December
12, 2002 6:25 PM:

 Unfortunately most certified Microsoft support folks only know (a) which
 Microsoft product to sell, and (b) how to reinstall.  They're totally
 lacking in diagnostic capabilities to find out what's wrong and fix the
 machine without reinstalling.

Worse yet, they get *very* touchy and take it personally if you criticize
the OS.  Our support guru was over here answering questions about what
Outhouse was doing wrong the other day.  He admitted that it has several
annoying faults (one of which I was looking for a way around).  But when I
asked when we'd get some real software to run he started ranting about
Linux hacker wannabes.  My lead suggested that he not get personal about
it and he walked off in a huff.


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Re: DirectWay/Linux?

2002-12-13 Thread C M Reinehr
Tony Alfrey wrote:

 I'm getting sales literature from my isp trying to sell me a DirectWay
 satellite link (the Hughes box).  The sales support people tell me I
 gotta use Windoze (ugh, ugh, ugh) and I seem to remember seeing
 something about an upcoming unix port.
 Is anybody out there using this DirectWay setup, and better yet, are you
 using linux??
 Thanks

Here's a couple of links which may help. My quick review seems to indicate 
that you shouldn't get your hopes up.  I'm not using a satellite service 
myself, but I was interested in it as a possible alternative. Please post 
if you find anything promissing.

DirecPC Linux Driver Project: http://www.linuxvoodoo.com/drivers/direcpc/

Satellite Data and Alternative Operating Systems: 
http://www.jasonn.com/sat-data/

DirecWay 2-Way High Speed Internet via Satellite:
http://www.macteks.com/sat/

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Re: DirectWay/Linux?

2002-12-13 Thread Tony Alfrey
On Friday 13 December 2002 10:47 am, C M Reinehr wrote:
 Tony Alfrey wrote:
snip
  Is anybody out there using this DirectWay setup, and better yet,
  are you using linux??
  Thanks

 Here's a couple of links which may help. My quick review seems to
 indicate that you shouldn't get your hopes up.  I'm not using a
 satellite service myself, but I was interested in it as a possible
 alternative. Please post if you find anything promissing.

snip

Thanks!  I found satellite + Linux now for 1 boat payment ($1K) +
the satellite installation ( $0.6K from earthlink).

http://www.helius.com/products/hsrdpc.html

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Re: [Fwd: Updated Step]

2002-12-13 Thread Matthew Carpenter
Uh, guys?  I'm getting bad results when trying to view this link...

Here is what I see (yes, Virginia, my browser is spitting out HTML code):

!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01
Transitional//ENhtmlhead
  titlePlaying Quicktimes Natively in Linux/title
/headbodypreHow to get WIN32 QuickTime audio/video codecs working
with MPlayer?br
===brb
rShamefully stolen from the
A HREF=http://www.mplayerhq.hu;MPlayer website/a by Net Llama!
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
br06-December-2002brbr1. Get MPlayer CVS
(read the docs how to...), and compile this way:br   ./configure
--enable-qtx-codecsbr   makebrbr2. Get the QuickTime DLLs pack:br 
 QT6 DLLs (should be faster):br
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/~alex/codecs/qt6dlls.tar.bz2br   QT5 DLLs (we
(developers) use this):br
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/~alex/codecs/qt5dlls.tar.bz2br   Or if you have
already downloaded the qt-dotwine.tar.bz2,br   you can use it too.br  
NOTE: qt6-dlls.tar.bz2 from releases/ doesn't contains
qtmlClient.dll!brbr3. Extract the files:br   Normally the WIN32
codecs directory is the following: /usr/lib/win32br   Extract the
QuickTime.qts, QuickTimeEssentials.qtx and qtmlClient.dllbr   to that
dir (or to that what you have configured).br   (In case of
qt-dotwine.tar.bz2, the dlls can be found inbr  
.wine/fake_windows/Windows/System/ directory)brbr3a. Extract the
extras:br   If you want to be _really_ up-to-date, you can also copy the
not-yetbr   supported codecs too: 3ivx Delta 3.5.qtx, On2_VP3.qtx,
ZyGoVideo.qtx,br   BeHereiVideo.qtx. They can be found in thebr  
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/~alex/codecs/qtextras.tar.bz2 archive.brbr4.
It should work now.br   Else send real _bugreports_ to the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] list!br   (and only to that one!) And please
include that which codecpack have youbr   chosen.br/prebr
/body/html


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 http://www.linux-sxs.org/text/qt-howto.txt
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Re: DirectWay/Linux?

2002-12-13 Thread Keith Morse
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, C M Reinehr wrote:

 Tony Alfrey wrote:
 
  I'm getting sales literature from my isp trying to sell me a DirectWay
  satellite link (the Hughes box).  The sales support people tell me I
  gotta use Windoze (ugh, ugh, ugh) and I seem to remember seeing
  something about an upcoming unix port.
  Is anybody out there using this DirectWay setup, and better yet, are you
  using linux??
  Thanks
 
 Here's a couple of links which may help. My quick review seems to indicate 
 that you shouldn't get your hopes up.  I'm not using a satellite service 
 myself, but I was interested in it as a possible alternative. Please post 
 if you find anything promissing.
 
 DirecPC Linux Driver Project: http://www.linuxvoodoo.com/drivers/direcpc/
 
 Satellite Data and Alternative Operating Systems: 
 http://www.jasonn.com/sat-data/
 
 DirecWay 2-Way High Speed Internet via Satellite:
 http://www.macteks.com/sat/


From a posting on the isp-wireless list today, there was a news article 
that said that DirectTV will be scrapping DirectWay in the near future.



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Re: DirectWay/Linux?

2002-12-13 Thread Tony Alfrey
On Friday 13 December 2002 12:50 pm, Keith Morse wrote:
snip

 From a posting on the isp-wireless list today, there was a news
 article that said that DirectTV will be scrapping DirectWay in the
 near future.

But what does that mean vis-a-vis getting DirectWay straight from an isp 
like earthlink??  Does it simply mean that I can't get TV over the same 
link any more??



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Re: [Fwd: Updated Step]

2002-12-13 Thread Net Llama!
Yea, that's half my own stupidity  half apache/web browser stupidity.  I
foolishly changed the name of the file when i updated it from a *.html to
a *.txt.  Now apache or a webbrowser (im' not sure which ) is deciding
what the file is based on its extension rather than its content.

If you go to Video- Quicktime, it works fine. (i think).

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Matthew Carpenter wrote:

 Uh, guys?  I'm getting bad results when trying to view this link...

 Here is what I see (yes, Virginia, my browser is spitting out HTML code):

 !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01
 Transitional//ENhtmlhead
   titlePlaying Quicktimes Natively in Linux/title
 /headbodypreHow to get WIN32 QuickTime audio/video codecs working
 with MPlayer?br
 ===brb
 rShamefully stolen from the
 A HREF=http://www.mplayerhq.hu;MPlayer website/a by Net Llama!
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 br06-December-2002brbr1. Get MPlayer CVS
 (read the docs how to...), and compile this way:br   ./configure
 --enable-qtx-codecsbr   makebrbr2. Get the QuickTime DLLs pack:br
  QT6 DLLs (should be faster):br
 http://www.mplayerhq.hu/~alex/codecs/qt6dlls.tar.bz2br   QT5 DLLs (we
 (developers) use this):br
 http://www.mplayerhq.hu/~alex/codecs/qt5dlls.tar.bz2br   Or if you have
 already downloaded the qt-dotwine.tar.bz2,br   you can use it too.br
 NOTE: qt6-dlls.tar.bz2 from releases/ doesn't contains
 qtmlClient.dll!brbr3. Extract the files:br   Normally the WIN32
 codecs directory is the following: /usr/lib/win32br   Extract the
 QuickTime.qts, QuickTimeEssentials.qtx and qtmlClient.dllbr   to that
 dir (or to that what you have configured).br   (In case of
 qt-dotwine.tar.bz2, the dlls can be found inbr
 .wine/fake_windows/Windows/System/ directory)brbr3a. Extract the
 extras:br   If you want to be _really_ up-to-date, you can also copy the
 not-yetbr   supported codecs too: 3ivx Delta 3.5.qtx, On2_VP3.qtx,
 ZyGoVideo.qtx,br   BeHereiVideo.qtx. They can be found in thebr
 http://www.mplayerhq.hu/~alex/codecs/qtextras.tar.bz2 archive.brbr4.
 It should work now.br   Else send real _bugreports_ to the
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] list!br   (and only to that one!) And please
 include that which codecpack have youbr   chosen.br/prebr
 /body/html


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Re: CW: Business Looks To Linux Desktops; Some Critical Apps Lacking

2002-12-13 Thread Matthew Carpenter
I knew my days of supporting Microsoft were over when I worked for hours
on a customer's machine doing the logic troubleshooting and my associate
came in, reloaded the tape-driver, and the thing worked...  Now what
exactly ATE the driver in the first place, I will never know...


On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:25:15 -0800
Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Unfortunately most certified Microsoft support folks only know (a) which
 Microsoft product to sell, and (b) how to reinstall.  They're totally
 lacking in diagnostic capabilities to find out what's wrong and fix the
 machine without reinstalling.
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Re: DirectWay/Linux?

2002-12-13 Thread Andrew Mathews
Keith Morse wrote:
snip



From a posting on the isp-wireless list today, there was a news article 
that said that DirectTV will be scrapping DirectWay in the near future.


snip

Hopefully not. The correction states:
quote
FYI - This is from NRTC, a Powered by DirecWay partner

December 13, 2002

Hughes Denies DIRECWAY Comments in
The Wall Street Journal, Dec. 12

Hughes Network Systems (HNS) has assured NRTC that an article appearing 
in the Dec. 12 Wall Street Journal under the headline “Hughes to Halt 
Internet Offerings It Views Risky,” is in error.  Hughes tells us that 
The Journal took comments made several months ago by Jack Shaw, CEO of 
HNS parent company Hughes Electronics, out of context.

An NRTC representative was present earlier this week when HNS CEO 
Pradman Kaul outlined the company’s current position on DIRECWAY during 
the Lehman Brothers Technology Conference in Orlando, FL.  At that 
conference, Kaul said that HNS is continuing to offer DIRECWAY and 
expects to add 100,000 residential and small-office/home-office 
customers in the coming year.  In fact, he said, HNS currently is adding 
3,000 new DIRECWAY subscribers a week, which is ahead of the 
100,000-per-year pace.

Kaul also said that subscriber acquisition cost (SAC) is the most 
significant factor limiting DIRECWAY growth.  He estimated SAC to be 
$400-$500 per subscriber.  In our communications with HNS, they have 
indicated their desire to move away from the subsidization of DIRECWAY 
and retail distribution through DIRECTV. Instead, they seek to shift 
more distribution to “Powered by partners,” including NRTC.  Hughes has 
said that they will focus their efforts on the Enterprise and SOHO 
marketplaces.

In July 2002, Jack Shaw speculated in public on the possibility of 
discontinuing DIRECWAY service.  Shaw’s comments appeared at the height 
of the public relations battle surrounding the proposed EchoStar/DIRECTV 
merger. At the time, many analysts believed that HNS was using Shaw’s 
comments and similar messages in an attempt to sway public opinion in 
favor of the proposed merger.  The Wall Street Journal reporter appears 
to have used those out-of-date statements as the basis of the article.

NRTC responded to the July 2002 comments in the July 19 issue of The 
Download.  As stated in that item, HNS executives assured NRTC then (and 
continue to assure) that they are not planning to pull the plug on 
DIRECWAY and will continue to support ongoing operation of that business.

Steve Weaver
Cherryland Online Services
/quote

This is from: 
http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-wireless/0212/msg06472.html
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Re: [Fwd: Updated Step]

2002-12-13 Thread Tim Wunder
According to http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linux-sxs.org%2Ftext%2Fqt-howto.txt
Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because its content type is text/plain, which is not currently supported by this service.

So I'd say Apache is telling the browser that the page is plain text. If a browser renders it as HTML, that would be wrong. And, yes, Internet Explorer renders it as HTML...

On 12/13/2002 4:08 PM, someone claiming to be Net Llama! wrote:

Yea, that's half my own stupidity  half apache/web browser stupidity.  I
foolishly changed the name of the file when i updated it from a *.html to
a *.txt.  Now apache or a webbrowser (im' not sure which ) is deciding
what the file is based on its extension rather than its content.

If you go to Video- Quicktime, it works fine. (i think).

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Matthew Carpenter wrote:



Uh, guys?  I'm getting bad results when trying to view this link...

Here is what I see (yes, Virginia, my browser is spitting out HTML code):

!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01
Transitional//ENhtmlhead
 titlePlaying Quicktimes Natively in Linux/title
/headbodypreHow to get WIN32 QuickTime audio/video codecs working
with MPlayer?br
===brb
rShamefully stolen from the
A HREF=http://www.mplayerhq.hu;MPlayer website/a by Net Llama!
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
br06-December-2002brbr1. Get MPlayer CVS
(read the docs how to...), and compile this way:br   ./configure
--enable-qtx-codecsbr   makebrbr2. Get the QuickTime DLLs pack:br
QT6 DLLs (should be faster):br
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/~alex/codecs/qt6dlls.tar.bz2br   QT5 DLLs (we
(developers) use this):br
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/~alex/codecs/qt5dlls.tar.bz2br   Or if you have
already downloaded the qt-dotwine.tar.bz2,br   you can use it too.br
NOTE: qt6-dlls.tar.bz2 from releases/ doesn't contains
qtmlClient.dll!brbr3. Extract the files:br   Normally the WIN32
codecs directory is the following: /usr/lib/win32br   Extract the
QuickTime.qts, QuickTimeEssentials.qtx and qtmlClient.dllbr   to that
dir (or to that what you have configured).br   (In case of
qt-dotwine.tar.bz2, the dlls can be found inbr
.wine/fake_windows/Windows/System/ directory)brbr3a. Extract the
extras:br   If you want to be _really_ up-to-date, you can also copy the
not-yetbr   supported codecs too: 3ivx Delta 3.5.qtx, On2_VP3.qtx,
ZyGoVideo.qtx,br   BeHereiVideo.qtx. They can be found in thebr
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/~alex/codecs/qtextras.tar.bz2 archive.brbr4.
It should work now.br   Else send real _bugreports_ to the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] list!br   (and only to that one!) And please
include that which codecpack have youbr   chosen.br/prebr
/body/html


On Mon, 02 Dec 2002 16:25:50 -0800
Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



http://www.linux-sxs.org/text/qt-howto.txt


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Re: [Fwd: Updated Step]

2002-12-13 Thread Net Llama!
ok, then its my fault, and IE sux.  :)

At any rate, to see the document properly formatted go to:
VIDEO - QUICKTIME

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Tim Wunder wrote:

 According to 
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linux-sxs.org%2Ftext%2Fqt-howto.txt
 Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because its content type is 
text/plain, which is not currently supported by this service.

 So I'd say Apache is telling the browser that the page is plain text. If a browser 
renders it as HTML, that would be wrong. And, yes, Internet Explorer renders it as 
HTML...

 On 12/13/2002 4:08 PM, someone claiming to be Net Llama! wrote:
  Yea, that's half my own stupidity  half apache/web browser stupidity.  I
  foolishly changed the name of the file when i updated it from a *.html to
  a *.txt.  Now apache or a webbrowser (im' not sure which ) is deciding
  what the file is based on its extension rather than its content.
 
  If you go to Video- Quicktime, it works fine. (i think).
 
  On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Matthew Carpenter wrote:
 
 
 Uh, guys?  I'm getting bad results when trying to view this link...
 
 Here is what I see (yes, Virginia, my browser is spitting out HTML code):
 
 !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01
 Transitional//ENhtmlhead
   titlePlaying Quicktimes Natively in Linux/title
 /headbodypreHow to get WIN32 QuickTime audio/video codecs working
 with MPlayer?br
 ===brb
 rShamefully stolen from the
 A HREF=http://www.mplayerhq.hu;MPlayer website/a by Net Llama!
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 br06-December-2002brbr1. Get MPlayer CVS
 (read the docs how to...), and compile this way:br   ./configure
 --enable-qtx-codecsbr   makebrbr2. Get the QuickTime DLLs pack:br
  QT6 DLLs (should be faster):br
 http://www.mplayerhq.hu/~alex/codecs/qt6dlls.tar.bz2br   QT5 DLLs (we
 (developers) use this):br
 http://www.mplayerhq.hu/~alex/codecs/qt5dlls.tar.bz2br   Or if you have
 already downloaded the qt-dotwine.tar.bz2,br   you can use it too.br
 NOTE: qt6-dlls.tar.bz2 from releases/ doesn't contains
 qtmlClient.dll!brbr3. Extract the files:br   Normally the WIN32
 codecs directory is the following: /usr/lib/win32br   Extract the
 QuickTime.qts, QuickTimeEssentials.qtx and qtmlClient.dllbr   to that
 dir (or to that what you have configured).br   (In case of
 qt-dotwine.tar.bz2, the dlls can be found inbr
 .wine/fake_windows/Windows/System/ directory)brbr3a. Extract the
 extras:br   If you want to be _really_ up-to-date, you can also copy the
 not-yetbr   supported codecs too: 3ivx Delta 3.5.qtx, On2_VP3.qtx,
 ZyGoVideo.qtx,br   BeHereiVideo.qtx. They can be found in thebr
 http://www.mplayerhq.hu/~alex/codecs/qtextras.tar.bz2 archive.brbr4.
 It should work now.br   Else send real _bugreports_ to the
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] list!br   (and only to that one!) And please
 include that which codecpack have youbr   chosen.br/prebr
 /body/html
 
 
 On Mon, 02 Dec 2002 16:25:50 -0800
 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 http://www.linux-sxs.org/text/qt-howto.txt
 
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Re: Trolling ebay for computers: Chips ahoy!

2002-12-13 Thread kwall
Feigning erudition, Joel Hammer wrote:
% I would like to buy some economical computers on ebay. I will need three at work
% and I'll be able to pick them out, me thinks. I have a reasonable budget so
% I am not trying to scrimp, but I don't want to over spend, either.
% 
% One has to likely run windows98, the others maybe linux. This will be
% graphically intensive work (capturing 4 million pixel images from a nikon
% camera) and manipulating same later on.
% 
% So, is a Duron chip worth looking at? They seem to be the cheapest,
% likely for a good reason. Athlons work fine with linux. Does Athlon XP
% work with linux? 

I would avoid Duron's as being underpowered. Athlons are, IMHO, the best
deal for the money at this time.

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Re: fetchmail error

2002-12-13 Thread M.W. Chang
I posted my question in comp.mail.sendmail.
one suggested me to add procmail to fetchmail. another suggested using
getmail.

but before I got their reply, I used OE to pull them out... I guess M$
OE breeded a generation of usres to use badly formatted email
addressses. I guess Asians don't like 7-bit ASCII at all...

Joel Hammer wrote:
 If you feel adventuresome, you might telnet to your pop3 server, and try to
 delete the file manually. (telnet server 110.)
 Joel

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Re: Conversion [OT?]

2002-12-13 Thread kwall
Feigning erudition, Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote:
% [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] typed thusly on Thursday,
% December 12, 2002 4:37 PM:
% 
%  I think that would be a programmer. ;-)~
% 
% Oh, but Kurt, the first rule of programming is to not re-invent the wheel.

I completely agree. I've got plenty of reinvented wheels around here,
that's for sure.

% If someone has already written a nice YACC program that will do the job, why
% should I?  Now, if I were a consultant...  ;-}

If you were a consultant, you wouldn't have to work for a living. Or, in
the case at hand, you'd *still* use someone else's tool, but charge for
time as if you'd written it from scratch using your own 1s and 0s. ;-)

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[Fwd: [OT] VFP7 will run on Linux]

2002-12-13 Thread M.W. Chang


 Original Message 
Subject: [OT] VFP7 will run on Linux
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:45:33 -0800
From: Paul McNett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This question has come up before, so I wanted to post my recent results
here
in case people are still interested.  Last night I put the final piece of
the puzzle together to get vfp7, out of the box, to run in a mostly stable
fashion on Linux.  Here's my first screenshot:

http://www.paulmcnett.com/vfp/vfp7wine.html

My testing also indicates that executables built from vfp7 will also run on
Linux.

Please understand, these are preliminary results only and I haven't done
testing in the way of printing, scanning, com ports, etc.  I have verified
that vfp dbf's and dbc's are handled just fine, and that the various
sqlstringconnect(), sqlexec(), etc. commands work for connecting to backend
databases.  Classes can be designed visually, browse windows will display,
etc.

I also don't have, at this point, a roadmap to tell others exactly what to
do to get vfp to run on their linux installations.  I do have notes jotted
in various places and intend to get them formulated into a set of
instructions.  How far along I get in doing this depends to a great extent
on the amount of interest shown for this.

There is still at least one significant problem that I need to surmount
before this can be considered a completely stable development
environment.
I just wanted people to see how possible it will be to run VFP on Linux...
a glimpse into the future perhaps...

(by the way, I've had no luck getting VFP8 to work and I have tried.  VFP8
must have been significantly rewritten or something).

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Re: DirectWay/Linux?

2002-12-13 Thread Jerry McBride
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:21:58 -0800 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm getting sales literature from my isp trying to sell me a DirectWay 
 satellite link (the Hughes box).  The sales support people tell me I 
 gotta use Windoze (ugh, ugh, ugh) and I seem to remember seeing 
 something about an upcoming unix port.
 Is anybody out there using this DirectWay setup, and better yet, are you 
 using linux??

I have a client that uses it... She tells me there's a killer lag between
requesting a page and actually getting. I haven't a clue if it's the speed of
light limit or hardware problems t Huges.

As for a linux client in that setup,  never heard of such a thing. It'd be great
though.

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Re: DirectWay/Linux?

2002-12-13 Thread Brett I. Holcomb
I was told by the owner of a company that installs satellite systems that 
there is about a 750 ms lag in communications.  He was installing an dish I 
used for Educational channels for me and while talking to him I found out 
his company also did satellites and he had the satellite Internet from the 
company he repped.  Makes it kind of bad for online gamers G.


 On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:21:58 -0800 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 I'm getting sales literature from my isp trying to sell me a DirectWay
 
 I have a client that uses it... She tells me there's a killer lag between
 requesting a page and actually getting. I haven't a clue if it's the speed
 of light limit or hardware problems t Huges.
 
 As for a linux client in that setup,  never heard of such a thing. It'd be
 great though.
 
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Re: CW: Business Looks To Linux Desktops; Some Critical Apps Lacking

2002-12-13 Thread Joel Hammer
He was telling you the truth. They don't support linux. I got told that by
comcast, too. (We don't support third party software.) Naturally, I am
still using comcast.
We can never forget what a tiny part of the end user computer universe
we are.
Joel


On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 08:32:15AM -0600, Robert Black Eagle wrote:
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 On Thursday 12 December 2002 8:25 pm, Bill Campbell wrote:
  On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 05:35:05AM -0800, Bob Hemus wrote:
 
  Unfortunately most certified Microsoft support folks only know (a)
  which Microsoft product to sell, and (b) how to reinstall.  They're
  totally lacking in diagnostic capabilities to find out what's wrong
  and fix the machine without reinstalling.
 
 True story.  I was left in the lurch when my ISP did not tell me ahead 
 of time they were changing hardware, software and phone numbers (DNS 
 changes and all sorts of goodies).  I called up the technician and 
 asked how I should configure my system.  The first guy was clueless, so 
 I went to a Second Level Technician -- this is what happened.
 
 What system are you using? the clueless wonder asked.
 Linux, I said.
 I'm sorry, we don't support linux, came the reply.
 Bull shit, I said, your ISP runs with linux, I checked.
 We don't support linux, he repeated.
 Look, I don't need anything but the DNS, phone number and whatever 
 other information is needed to log on and use my account -- it doesn't 
 matter if it's linux or not.
 But we don't support linux, the technical parrot repeated.
 Look, are you telling me your phone number changes if I run linux, or 
 use a Mac or run OS/2?  Are you telling me you just don't know what 
 your DNS is?
 I'd like to help you, but we don't support linux.
 
 I hung up and called back later and pretended to be on a Windows system 
 and wrote down the information which I then used to set up my linux 
 system which they don't support.  Mind you, when I called the company 
 (Prodigy), they claimed that second level techs were computer science 
 majors with at least three years of computer science.  Apparently even 
 colleges turn out fools these days.
 
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Re: CW: Business Looks To Linux Desktops; Some Critical Apps Lacking

2002-12-13 Thread Net Llama!
On 12/13/02 17:14, Joel Hammer wrote:

He was telling you the truth. They don't support linux. I got told that by
comcast, too. (We don't support third party software.) Naturally, I am
still using comcast.
We can never forget what a tiny part of the end user computer universe
we are.


So are Macs.  By some estimates there are more boxes running Linux than 
MacOS.

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SCSI vs IDE vs FIREWIRE/USB

2002-12-13 Thread Joel Hammer
I find the 4 drive limitation of IDE machines quite bothersome. Is there
some way, other than scsi, to overcome this limitation in the linux world?

Is setting up a scsi system just a matter of installing a scsi adaptor
and then plugging things in (along with the appropriate drivers)? Is it
worth the extra cost?

Are there easier/better alternatives like firewire/usb peripherals?

Thanks,

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Re: SCSI vs IDE vs FIREWIRE/USB

2002-12-13 Thread Net Llama!
On 12/13/02 18:09, Joel Hammer wrote:

I find the 4 drive limitation of IDE machines quite bothersome. Is there
some way, other than scsi, to overcome this limitation in the linux world?

Is setting up a scsi system just a matter of installing a scsi adaptor
and then plugging things in (along with the appropriate drivers)? Is it
worth the extra cost?


Yes, that's all there is to it.  Plus in the SCSI controller, plug in 
the drives (make sure that they are properly terminated), and then 
either compile support for the controller into the kernel, or create an 
initrd.  As for it being worth the cost, depends on what you're using it 
for.  If your sole reason for going SCSI is to have more than 4 drives, 
then its not worth it.  If you want better performance  reliability, 
then its certainly worth it.


Are there easier/better alternatives like firewire/usb peripherals?


Not for anyone who is serious about storage. IEEE1394  USB are really 
toys for home users.

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Re: SCSI vs IDE vs FIREWIRE/USB

2002-12-13 Thread Bob Raymond
On Saturday 14 December 2002 02:09 am, Joel Hammer wrote:
 I find the 4 drive limitation of IDE machines quite bothersome. Is there
 some way, other than scsi, to overcome this limitation in the linux world?

 Is setting up a scsi system just a matter of installing a scsi adaptor
 and then plugging things in (along with the appropriate drivers)? Is it
 worth the extra cost?

 Are there easier/better alternatives like firewire/usb peripherals?

 Thanks,

 Joel

Maybe PCI IDE controllers? My motherboard supports 12 IDE devices onboard...
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Re: SCSI vs IDE vs FIREWIRE/USB

2002-12-13 Thread Net Llama!
On 12/13/02 18:23, Bob Raymond wrote:

On Saturday 14 December 2002 02:09 am, Joel Hammer wrote:

I find the 4 drive limitation of IDE machines quite bothersome. Is there
some way, other than scsi, to overcome this limitation in the linux world?

Is setting up a scsi system just a matter of installing a scsi adaptor
and then plugging things in (along with the appropriate drivers)? Is it
worth the extra cost?

Are there easier/better alternatives like firewire/usb peripherals?

Thanks,

Joel


Maybe PCI IDE controllers? My motherboard supports 12 IDE devices onboard...


Prolly would need a 600W power supply, and a huge case for 12IDE drives.

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Re: SCSI vs IDE vs FIREWIRE/USB

2002-12-13 Thread Bill Campbell
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 09:09:36PM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote:
I find the 4 drive limitation of IDE machines quite bothersome. Is there
some way, other than scsi, to overcome this limitation in the linux world?

Is setting up a scsi system just a matter of installing a scsi adaptor
and then plugging things in (along with the appropriate drivers)? Is it
worth the extra cost?

Are there easier/better alternatives like firewire/usb peripherals?

SCSI is probably the best bet if you're looking for high performance and
reliability.

We're doing some experimenting now though with FireWire for things like
large ftp sites where things change very infrequently, and access speed is
limited by our T1 to the Internet.  We're also looking at using external
120GB firewire drives for backups.  They're easy to hot-swap, cheap ($200US
for a Maxtor drive ane the external chassis), and fast enough for network
backups using rsync.  Assuming this works well, I plan to have at least two
of these drives, one of which is at an off-site co-location site (I'll make
the original backup locally, then ship the drive to the co-lo for rsync
updates).  This way we'll have a local copy for fast recovery in case a
machine goes down, and a remote copy in case of major disasters.

Right now I'm doing my first network backup from an SCO OpenServer box to a
Caldera 3.1.1 Workstation box with a 2.4.20 kernel, with the external
Maxtor drive.  I'm planning on getting a managed 10/100 ethernet switch
with two 10/100/1000 ports, and putting the backup server on the 1000 port
to see how things go when I have several machines backing up
simultaneously.

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Re: SCSI vs IDE vs FIREWIRE/USB

2002-12-13 Thread Bob Raymond
On Saturday 14 December 2002 02:28 am, Net Llama! wrote:
 On 12/13/02 18:23, Bob Raymond wrote:
  On Saturday 14 December 2002 02:09 am, Joel Hammer wrote:
  I find the 4 drive limitation of IDE machines quite bothersome. Is there
  some way, other than scsi, to overcome this limitation in the linux
  world?
 
  Is setting up a scsi system just a matter of installing a scsi adaptor
  and then plugging things in (along with the appropriate drivers)? Is it
  worth the extra cost?
 
  Are there easier/better alternatives like firewire/usb peripherals?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Joel
 
  Maybe PCI IDE controllers? My motherboard supports 12 IDE devices
  onboard...

 Prolly would need a 600W power supply, and a huge case for 12IDE drives.

Which is why I have a 26.4 case, with support for six hard disks and six 
5.25 bays.  Currently I'm using four hard disks, CDRW, DVD, Zip 100, and a 
3.5/5.25 floppy combo (don't ask me why- but the drive is 9 years old and 
needs the normal - not the small- power connector), with a 400watt power 
supply.


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Re: DirectWay/Linux?

2002-12-13 Thread Tony Alfrey
On Friday 13 December 2002 03:58 pm, Jerry McBride wrote:
 On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:21:58 -0800 Tony Alfrey 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm getting sales literature from my isp trying to sell me a
  DirectWay satellite link (the Hughes box).  The sales support
  people tell me I gotta use Windoze (ugh, ugh, ugh) and I seem to
  remember seeing something about an upcoming unix port.
  Is anybody out there using this DirectWay setup, and better yet,
  are you using linux??

 I have a client that uses it... She tells me there's a killer lag
 between requesting a page and actually getting. I haven't a clue if
 it's the speed of light limit or hardware problems t Huges.


Based on what I think the radius of a geosynchronous orbit is, the speed 
of light lag up and down two ways should be a little under 1/2 second. 
g


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Re: DirectWay/Linux?

2002-12-13 Thread Net Llama!
On 12/13/02 19:46, Tony Alfrey wrote:

On Friday 13 December 2002 03:58 pm, Jerry McBride wrote:

On Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:21:58 -0800 Tony Alfrey 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm getting sales literature from my isp trying to sell me a
 DirectWay satellite link (the Hughes box).  The sales support
 people tell me I gotta use Windoze (ugh, ugh, ugh) and I seem to
 remember seeing something about an upcoming unix port.
 Is anybody out there using this DirectWay setup, and better yet,
 are you using linux??

I have a client that uses it... She tells me there's a killer lag
between requesting a page and actually getting. I haven't a clue if
it's the speed of light limit or hardware problems t Huges.



Based on what I think the radius of a geosynchronous orbit is, the speed 
of light lag up and down two ways should be a little under 1/2 second. 

Actually, I'm fairly certain its even significantly less than that.

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Re: [Fwd: Updated Step]

2002-12-13 Thread Douglas J Hunley
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Tim Wunder spewed electrons into the ether that resembled:
 According to
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t-howto.txt Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because its
 content type is text/plain, which is not currently supported by this
 service.

apache is telling the browser that it's text. It determines this be extension. 
I used to have it configured to use 'magic numbers' (think of the 'file' 
command), but with all the traffic, is was becoming too much. simply changing 
the extension should fix it, IIRC
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Life would be so much easier if we could just look at the source code.
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Re: [Fwd: Updated Step]

2002-12-13 Thread Net Llama!
Yes, but simply changing the extension breaks the URL on the New page.

On 12/13/02 20:21, Douglas J Hunley wrote:

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Tim Wunder spewed electrons into the ether that resembled:

According to
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linux-sxs.org%2Ftext%2Fq
t-howto.txt Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because its
content type is text/plain, which is not currently supported by this
service.


apache is telling the browser that it's text. It determines this be extension. 
I used to have it configured to use 'magic numbers' (think of the 'file' 
command), but with all the traffic, is was becoming too much. simply changing 
the extension should fix it, IIRC


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Re: SCSI vs IDE vs FIREWIRE/USB

2002-12-13 Thread kwall
On Saturday 14 December 2002 02:28 am, Net Llama! wrote:
% 
% Prolly would need a 600W power supply, and a huge case for 12IDE drives.

600 watts? Geez.

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Re: DirectWay/Linux?

2002-12-13 Thread Keith Morse
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Tony Alfrey wrote:

 On Friday 13 December 2002 12:50 pm, Keith Morse wrote:
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  From a posting on the isp-wireless list today, there was a news
  article that said that DirectTV will be scrapping DirectWay in the
  near future.
 
 But what does that mean vis-a-vis getting DirectWay straight from an isp 
 like earthlink??  Does it simply mean that I can't get TV over the same 
 link any more??

And to complement Tony's posting, this is the original URL that was the 
basis of my post.

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB1039658035232439153,00.html



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