Re: Process select for SuSE 8.2
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 11:13:46PM -0600, Myles Green wrote: On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 22:52, Alma J Wetzker wrote: I am looking at an upgrade path from Caldera WS 3.1.1 and have been playing with SuSE pro 8.2. Is there a graphical utility to switch on or off applications at boot time? Things like Samba or MySQL? In col there was webmin, and kde gave me a way through system settings. I can't find anything similar is SuSE, am I missing something? If so where is it? (I have read the printed manuals and tried every menu option under kde and gnome that root has access to [I think]) You mean like YAST (ncurses) or YAST2 (GUI)? Actually yast2 works GUI or curses depending on whether there's a DISPLAY variable set. There's also the ``insserv'' program that can be invoked from the command line in the /etc/init.d directory. System-Runlevel Editor takes you to a GUI where you can enable, disable, start, and stop individual services. This also takes care of dependencies so may start more than you asked for. You may have to scroll down the right side of the GUI to see the Runlevel Editor icon. You will definately have to scroll down when using the curses interface. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity. It eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation. -- Johnny Hart ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT] I can't belive this can be happen ????????
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 23:33:30 -0500 - Alma J Wetzker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: [OT] I can't belive this can be happen Yup, Everyone who has a commercial interest in Internet/Network software is feeling the effects of linux. And most of the effects felt are on the bottom end, and most of those are printed in red. Not counting little red fruit every commercial vendor was happier when linux was not a viable alternative and would sure like to see linux knocked out of the picture, whether they will admint it or not. The computer world agrees that linux is the only OS that has the possibility to be the windows killer. The only thorn that little billy could not scare, buy, or bottom feed to death. What no one has really said is that along that killers path is the death of commercial *nix. The windows crowd does not care, the Linux crowd does not care, the *nix users are glad to save $$ just as the M$ converts to Linux are. No one is unhappy except billy and commercial *nix. I think they all put their pointy heads together and cooked up a plan to stall Linux as long as they could, desperation can create strange bedfellows. Going on the fact that everything is not as it seems, I like the sound of IBM. Even though IBM has fully embraced linux on the public front, it is not a profitable long term strategy, as they are finding out. They are not ever going to get back the money they are now and have invested in linux. They now know this, they have for a while. Not only do they have to dump Linux they have to prop up the sagging interest and profit from *nix without alienateing the whole Linux community, who are their future potential customers. So how to do it? Just like they are. SCO throws as much FUD just as far and wide as it can. Only IBM can really sue them over this so far. IBM stays strangely silent. Then...well, thats where we are now. With a linux user community giving SCO the finger and the Fortune 500 that use Linux are a bit worried. In reguards to SCO, we have to remember that SUN is paying a good chunk of SCO's legal fees. The traditional *nix vendors have had some very profitable niches gutted by Windoze. They are starting to see the same from linux and M$ has also noticed. I think they are all working to shut down linux on the The enemy of my enemy is my friend theory. The only problem is who has the dagger and who has the back between SUN and M$? Any bets? -- Alma Re: [OT] I can't belive this can be happen ronnie gauthier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 22 Jul 2003 13:06:49 -0500 On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:04:34 -0400 - Michael Scottaline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: [OT] I can't belive this can be happen I dont think that anything seen on the surface is SCO's real intention. Linux has taken a huge bite out of the *nix market and as a result commercial UNIX is not worth as much as it once was and related incomes are also dropping fast. Now we all know that if there is any bad code in the kernal any developer has already seen it(or cant reliably prove they didnt) and it will be difficult to continue as is. SCO could possibly stop the distribution of any kernal 2.4 and later. Which is what they want to, and will if a judge allows/agrees to it. But I dont think they want license fees because surely their planned binary only distribution is a violation of the GPL and they will be barred from distributing it. Now we have a mexican stand off with UNIX the clear winner. I dont believe in a conspiricy around every corner but... SCO did not plan this alone M$ was much happier when it was a *nix/Win playing field M$ would do anything in its power to make it so again As Captain Picard would say, Make it so number one. ___ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: So do I need to start learning SuSE?
Actually, I switched about 18 (more or less) months ago, when COL was a definate down the toilet distro. Like others, I tried the 7.1 SuSe, ditched it quickly. Tried, again, 7.3, and learned to like with its ahhh ,.. unique features , (Those DAMN Config files). I Upgraded from 7.3 to 8.0, which if you do, still keeps those DAMN config files, then tried the 8.0 to 8.1 upgrade, which BROKE so much, I did a wipe and reload back to 8.0. After doing a FRESH install of 8.0, I found I could rather like the flavour that SuSe now had - without the baggage the 7.3 upgrade brought along. After (two weeks ago) teaching a week long Linux Admin class and using ManHate 9.1, I found, though, Manhate's NICE, easy, install scripts and GUI setup's, were not enuff to redeem it from those I AM SMARTER THAN YOU attitiude. IT seems changes on certain etc files, resulted in ManHate putting them back they way IT liked them, simple changes never seemed to take regardless of what you did, and even WORSE than SuSe 7.x series was, was all of those DAMN config files IT kept. Now, ManHate 9.1 DOES make a nice distro for those BRAIN dead Window Washers, who install and run and never change things, but for someone who likes to tinker under thd hood, as it were, i began to LOATH it by the end of the week. For me, I am sticking with my heavily modified SuSe 8.0, until the 2.6 based distro's hit the shelf at the end of this year. One can only hope that there might be a distro done right one day , such as a BANDAL distro ;- just my 2 cents ... Keith Antoine wrote: SNIP Not so AFAIAC its still a dog. -- Ben Duncan Phone (601)-355-2574 Fax (601)-355-2573 Cell (601)-946-1220 Business Network Solutions 336 Elton Road Jackson MS, 39212 Software is like Sex, it is better when it's free - Linus Torvalds ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fw: If Linux was a car -
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 04:02 pm, el lodger wrote: Begin forwarded message: Subject: If Linux was a car A complete hoot! As much as I laughed when I read this, and as much as I would like it to be otherwise, it is exactly true. snip -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd Rather Be Sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
sorta otMemtest86
Hi all, First time I've used memtest86 and I am running it on a couple machines here at work. I was wondering does it stop itself or will it just keep going through the tests again and again and again. It's been running for 42 hrs on one machine and I wasn't sure if I need to stop it or not. Thanks. --Tom Wilson ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: sorta otMemtest86
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Tom Wilson wrote: Hi all, First time I've used memtest86 and I am running it on a couple machines here at work. I was wondering does it stop itself or will it just keep going through the tests again and again and again. It's been running for 42 hrs on one machine and I wasn't sure if I need to stop it or not. It runs indefinitely. 1 or 2 passes are usually sufficient for catching 99% of problems. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: sorta otMemtest86
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 10:35, Net Llama! wrote: On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Tom Wilson wrote: Hi all, First time I've used memtest86 and I am running it on a couple machines here at work. I was wondering does it stop itself or will it just keep going through the tests again and again and again. It's been running for 42 hrs on one machine and I wasn't sure if I need to stop it or not. It runs indefinitely. 1 or 2 passes are usually sufficient for catching 99% of problems. Many thanks Net Llama. --Tom ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: So do I need to start learning SuSE?
I've said this before, and mention it in my review of Libranet 2.8 posted on the Linux Journal website. A Caldera eDesk 2.4 or OL 3.1.1 user will likely find a "kindred spirit" in Libranet. System management is straight forward, and Libranet's tech support answers their mail. I have used SuSE since 6.1. I bought, and subsequently sold, SuSE 8.2 for one reason. It does not work with WordPerfect Office 2000. Since installing it in Libranet 2.8, I have gotten excellent use out of Quattro Pro and Paradox. WP9 is less important to me since WP8.1 (the native Linux word processor) does almost everything I need. Star Office 6 is reserved only for those pesky Word documents, which it handles with aplomb. Libranet is Debian without the "attitude." -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 1.9.1 Debian Linux System 5151 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: network problem: internet sharing
I'd be interested in hearing your experience. My company has invested a lot into Linux as a firewall/router/NAT device because we can depend on them better than just about anything else available. Short of Hardware failure, Linux firewalls/routers/NAT devices are one of the most powerful and reliable on the market, being able to do complex firewalling, IDS/IDP, NAT (both directions), reporting, and much more. The only times I have found Linux not function well in this roll has been resulting from a lack of basic education. The workstations behind it weren't configured for IP or there wasn't a DHCP server or the DHCP configuration wasn't handing out a default route correctly. No offense to you, Alma... I know I must be sounding like a biggot at the moment (sounding the trumpet while on the Linux list and all), but most problems I've found have been lack of knowledge about how a TCP/IP network works, including configuration and routing. And Microsoft tries to automate it... but AUTO is a four-letter word, because AUTO only works part of the time. And the AUTO methods tend to make you not consider some potential problem areas because they work sometimes. While I'm not sure what is going on at Keith's I have to say that in the event of random or inconsistent issues, most problems I've dealt with have been a Windows problem. My biggest unknown here is Mandrake, since Mandrake is attempting to be a Microsoft competitor, they may be attempting some automated stuff. I'm not sure whether this was covered or not, but if you have the XP box set to dynamic, you need a DHCP server. If it is hard-set to 192.168.1.2, it needs to have the correct netmask (most often chosen as 255.255.255.0 but if generated by network class, it could be 255.255.0.0), Default Gateway of 192.168.1.2, and DNS servers need to be set to whatever the Linux box is being handed in DHCP. Otherwise, you can point to mine: 69.33.10.245 and 69.33.10.246. Again, no offense to anyone here. Thanks, Matt On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:41:47 -0500 Alma J Wetzker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My own experience is that I could never get the linux boxes to route correctly when I tried what you are doing. I found it easier for my peace of mind and blood pressure to invest in a router (SMC) and share the connection that way. Linux or windows is just a dhcp client and only the router cares. YMMV -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems *Network Service Appliances *Network Consulting, Integration Support *Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: network problem: internet sharing
To run ipconfig open a command prompt first - start, run cmd. Once the command window is open try ipconfig. Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc 416-744-7949 416-716-3964 (cell) 1-866-314-4678 416-744-0406 FAX www.LynchDigital.com -Original Message- From: Keith Antoine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 05:04 PM 22/07/2003 -0500, you wrote: No. You have networking UNIX style (the way over 100+ OSs do it, including non-UNIX OSs) and there's M$' version of networking. There are no M$ networking experts, only MCSEs (with no clue how real networking works). I doubt any of the non-UNIX MCSEs could tell you what tcpdump is, much less read the output. Speaking of which, why don't you try to see what's going on w/ tcpdump? On the Linux box, do this: tcpdump -ni eth0 (assuming eth0 is connected to the XP box) then, in another box, ping the XP box, then from the XP box ping the Linux box. You should first see arp who-has messages, then icmp echo-requests and echo-replies. If you have trouble reading it, just redirect it to a file and e-mail it to me. David, again many thanks but I have thrown up my hands and bought a netgear router FR114P with some bells and whistles. I now have daughters computer on the damd net at last. I am also online with XP but NOT with linux. Sheesh its a either or situation! The problem is with me not linux, however I did try using the mandrake gui connection and I could not manage to get it to connect. Hence I cannot call up ifconfig but there was no default gateway showing in ROUTE and only an ip of 192.168.0.0 on eth0. When I got back to windows it would not connect and I had to go through the setup proceedures once again. I presume that what I was fooling with stuffed the router settings. There are no visible settings that i can use from windows that i can use in linux. The ip of the router seems to be 192.168.0.1, used for http config. I have not ips for downstairs computer either. Can I asume the this one would be 192.168.0.2 and the downstairs 192.168.0.3, or is this impossible. How can i find out what is using what ip's. Use ipconfig you say but when i call it here a little black window flashes up and is gone in a flash. One day I will have both online but its still frustrating, but at least i have a daughter (monkey) off my back. Skippy in windows. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT] I can't belive this can be happen ????????
My Bet: It won't work anyway. Linux may actually be slowed a little by all this, but SCO, Sun, and Microsoft are all sitting on one of the last pieces of artillary, hoping they will only have to worry about each other once again... But what they fail to recognize is while they focus on Linux, BSD is still developing and much of the Linux core which is NOT in question may be integrated into the BSD's at any time to provide the additional friendliness and HW support that they have been lacking. They will not be able to breath easy... ever. The software industry landscape has been forever changed, and it is forcing difficult adjustments on all software companies involved, although mostly on the behemoth OS vendors. That's because Open Source OS'es are farther advanced than most of the other software, since they've been worked on and refined longer than most other OSS projects. Given time, other areas will face fierce competition from OSS as well. This will be the equalizer, abrupting the mentality that customers are kept by lock-in, Marketting, and FUD. Perhaps the end result will be software companies which aim to keep market share by actually writing good and innovative code! Or maybe not. On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 23:33:30 -0500 Alma J Wetzker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reguards to SCO, we have to remember that SUN is paying a good chunk of SCO's legal fees. The traditional *nix vendors have had some very profitable niches gutted by Windoze. They are starting to see the same from linux and M$ has also noticed. I think they are all working to shut down linux on the The enemy of my enemy is my friend theory. The only problem is who has the dagger and who has the back between SUN and M$? Any bets? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT] I can't belive this can be happen ????????
I disagree here. Linux is in the best position to kill Windows on the desktops and Servers... There are market reasons for it. But the BSD's can benefit from Linux code and be in the same position if they choose to, give time and some other Marketting Wave. As for IBM, I don't know if I'd say that they'll never get back the money they've invested in Linux... Truth is, Linux is the glue which ties all their platforms together. Linux will run on the pSeries (RS6000/AIX), the eSeries (AS400/OS400) and the zSeries (MVS/OS390), as well as all their Intel/Motorola hardware. While this may force a cut in IBM's staff at some point, it makes sense for IBM to centralize on Linux. Why? Because Microsoft doesn't run on most of those platforms. There is a lot of business that Linux opens up to IBM. Suddenly IBM's Big hardware can run the core File and Print, DNS, DHCP, and Web for any Fortune 500 company who needs the uptime and the power. They are finding their huge hardware being ousted by systems that are cheaper to maintain. Linux allows all their systems to keep basically one codebase (with minor exceptions) and that codebase isn't even theirs to maintain... and better yet, it doesn't cost them a cent. IBM is a hardware and services company. This is right up their alley. On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:12:14 -0500 ronnie gauthier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The computer world agrees that linux is the only OS that has the possibility to be the windows killer. The only thorn that little billy could not scare, buy, or bottom feed to death. What no one has really said is that along that killers path is the death of commercial *nix. The windows crowd does not care, the Linux crowd does not care, the *nix users are glad to save $$ just as the M$ converts to Linux are. No one is unhappy except billy and commercial *nix. I think they all put their pointy heads together and cooked up a plan to stall Linux as long as they could, desperation can create strange bedfellows. Going on the fact that everything is not as it seems, I like the sound of IBM. Even though IBM has fully embraced linux on the public front, it is not a profitable long term strategy, as they are finding out. They are not ever going to get back the money they are now and have invested in linux. -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT] I can't belive this can be happen ????????
But what they fail to recognize is while they focus on Linux, BSD is still developing and much of the Linux core which is NOT in question may be integrated into the BSD's at any time to provide the additional friendliness and HW support that they have been lacking. This is actually not true. Since Linux is GPL and BSD is, well, BSD licensed the only way cross-pollination into BSD happens is for the developer to dual-license the code. AFAIK the BSD developers do not allow GPL'ed code into their kernel since if they did their kernel would be GPL'ed and they don't want that. The BSD folks are moving on some of the same issues, though, and undoubtedly if Linux is found to be infringing and its SMP code gets ripped out FreeBSD's popularity (since they just re-architected their SMP code) will surge. All that's pretty far fetched, though. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: network problem: internet sharing
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:38:13 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ip of the router seems to be 192.168.0.1, used for http config. I have not ips for downstairs computer either. Can I asume the this one would be 192.168.0.2 and the downstairs 192.168.0.3, or is this impossible. How can i find out what is using what ip's. Use ipconfig you say but when i call it here a little black window flashes up and is gone in a flash. If the IP of the router is 192.168.0.1, what is the netmask? That needs to be the netmask for all of the machines. Is the NetGear router doing DHCP? If so, set the Linux machine and the XP machine both to use DHCP and everything else should be good (unless the NetGear DHCP is messed up. You have to call ipconfig from inside a command window Start - Run - cmd enter HTH, Matt ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: So do I need to start learning SuSE?
It must be something in the air up here in north-west Michigan :) I'm not as north as you but I sure feel up-north every day when I drive home from Grand Rapids... On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:47:32 -0400 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: zinger alert I've never met a RH release that I liked. (and there have been about 3 different ones.) /zinger alert) -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Process select for SuSE 8.2
chkconfig seems to be becoming a CLI standard for checking/changing the startup status for services as well... On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 23:05:40 -0700 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 11:13:46PM -0600, Myles Green wrote: On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 22:52, Alma J Wetzker wrote: I am looking at an upgrade path from Caldera WS 3.1.1 and have been playing with SuSE pro 8.2. Is there a graphical utility to switch on or off applications at boot time? Things like Samba or MySQL? In col there was webmin, and kde gave me a way through system settings. I can't find anything similar is SuSE, am I missing something? If so where is it? (I have read the printed manuals and tried every menu option under kde and gnome that root has access to [I think]) You mean like YAST (ncurses) or YAST2 (GUI)? Actually yast2 works GUI or curses depending on whether there's a DISPLAY variable set. There's also the ``insserv'' program that can be invoked from the command line in the /etc/init.d directory. System-Runlevel Editor takes you to a GUI where you can enable, disable, start, and stop individual services. This also takes care of dependencies so may start more than you asked for. You may have to scroll down the right side of the GUI to see the Runlevel Editor icon. You will definately have to scroll down when using the curses interface. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity. It eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation. -- Johnny Hart ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: So do I need to start learning SuSE?
I would like to see a distro which is as powerful and GUI-Friendly as SuSE 8.2 pro, done with a Lizard install... Don't you all remember the beauty of Lizard!? Now only Lycoris uses it, and I'd probably be willing to run some Lycoris if they'd include some of the new packages (like KDE3.1, etc...) On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:18:00 -0500 Ben Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One can only hope that there might be a distro done right one day , such as a BANDAL distro ;- -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Process select for SuSE 8.2
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 01:05:31PM -0400, Matthew Carpenter wrote: chkconfig seems to be becoming a CLI standard for checking/changing the startup status for services as well... Is that part of the UnitedLinux standard or RH? On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 23:05:40 -0700 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 11:13:46PM -0600, Myles Green wrote: On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 22:52, Alma J Wetzker wrote: I am looking at an upgrade path from Caldera WS 3.1.1 and have been playing with SuSE pro 8.2. Is there a graphical utility to switch on or off applications at boot time? Things like Samba or MySQL? In col there was webmin, and kde gave me a way through system settings. I can't find anything similar is SuSE, am I missing something? If so where is it? (I have read the printed manuals and tried every menu option under kde and gnome that root has access to [I think]) You mean like YAST (ncurses) or YAST2 (GUI)? Actually yast2 works GUI or curses depending on whether there's a DISPLAY variable set. There's also the ``insserv'' program that can be invoked from the command line in the /etc/init.d directory. System-Runlevel Editor takes you to a GUI where you can enable, disable, start, and stop individual services. This also takes care of dependencies so may start more than you asked for. You may have to scroll down the right side of the GUI to see the Runlevel Editor icon. You will definately have to scroll down when using the curses interface. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity. It eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation. -- Johnny Hart ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Marijuana will be legal some day, because the many law students who now smoke pot will someday become congressmen and legalize it in order to protect themselves. -- Lenny Bruce ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Process select for SuSE 8.2
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Bill Campbell wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 01:05:31PM -0400, Matthew Carpenter wrote: chkconfig seems to be becoming a CLI standard for checking/changing the startup status for services as well... Is that part of the UnitedLinux standard or RH? chkconfig is a Redhat thing. I dont' know if other distros are now using it though. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT] I can't belive this can be happen ????????
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:43:09 -0400 - Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: [OT] I can't belive this can be happen I disagree here. Linux is in the best position to kill Windows on the desktops and Servers... There are market reasons for it. But the BSD's can benefit from Linux code and be in the same position if they choose to, give time and some other Marketting Wave. What do you disagree with? I said, The computer world agrees that linux is the only OS that has the possibility to be the windows killer. As for IBM, I don't know if I'd say that they'll never get back the money they've invested in Linux... Truth is, Linux is the glue which ties all their platforms together. Linux will run on the pSeries (RS6000/AIX), the eSeries (AS400/OS400) and the zSeries (MVS/OS390), as well as all their Intel/Motorola hardware. While this may force a cut in IBM's staff at some point, it makes And before Linux is was AIX on those platforms. sense for IBM to centralize on Linux. Why? Because Microsoft doesn't run on most of those platforms. There is a lot of business that Linux opens up to IBM. Suddenly IBM's Big hardware can run the core File and Print, DNS, DHCP, and Web for any Fortune 500 company who needs the uptime and the power. They are finding their huge hardware being ousted by systems that are cheaper to maintain. Linux allows all their systems to keep basically one codebase (with minor exceptions) and that codebase isn't even theirs to maintain... and better yet, it doesn't cost them a cent. IBM is a hardware and services company. This is right up their alley. I agree with this portion. IBM just dropped two low end windows storage platforms this week. But... all this and their outward support for Linux in no way means they would not rather have the OS software revenue back, the RD is basically done there. By keeping quiet about SCO's media attack(which is really all it is so far) they will not anger any existing or potential customers, just the opposite, they will trust IBM as the company that finally bought SCO and resuced Linux. They only want to slowdown development for a year or two to retrench *nix. And just where is HP in all this? They will be one of the biggest winners in this if Linux stalls. On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:12:14 -0500 ronnie gauthier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The computer world agrees that linux is the only OS that has the possibility to be the windows killer. The only thorn that little billy could not scare, buy, or bottom feed to death. What no one has really said is that along that killers path is the death of commercial *nix. The windows crowd does not care, the Linux crowd does not care, the *nix users are glad to save $$ just as the M$ converts to Linux are. No one is unhappy except billy and commercial *nix. I think they all put their pointy heads together and cooked up a plan to stall Linux as long as they could, desperation can create strange bedfellows. Going on the fact that everything is not as it seems, I like the sound of IBM. Even though IBM has fully embraced linux on the public front, it is not a profitable long term strategy, as they are finding out. They are not ever going to get back the money they are now and have invested in linux. -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT] I can't belive this can be happen ????????
Aaron Grewell wrote: All that's pretty far fetched, though. Agreed. I think this whole SCO thing is going to blow over in a few months. With the result that Linux is stronger than ever (having survived the challenge). And that will be the last we ever hear of SCO - may it not RIP. It would be nice if the Unix copyrights became so tainted that they essentially became public domain. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: So do I need to start learning SuSE?
- Original Message - From: Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:11 PM Subject: Re: So do I need to start learning SuSE? I would like to see a distro which is as powerful and GUI-Friendly as SuSE 8.2 pro, done with a Lizard install... Don't you all remember the beauty of Lizard!? Now only Lycoris uses it, and I'd probably be willing to run some Lycoris if they'd include some of the new packages (like KDE3.1, etc...) Amen too that. Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT] I can't belive this can be happen ????????
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:32:54 -0400 - Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: [OT] I can't belive this can be happen My Bet: It won't work anyway. Linux may actually be slowed a little by all this, but SCO, Sun, and Microsoft are all sitting on one of the last pieces of artillary, hoping they will only have to worry about each other once again... But what they fail to recognize is while they focus on Linux, BSD is still developing and much of the Linux core which is NOT in question may be integrated into the BSD's at any time to provide the additional friendliness and HW support that they have been lacking. They will not be able to breath easy... ever. I dont see BSD ever doing that. They have remained pure *nix AFAIK. The software industry landscape has been forever changed, and it is forcing difficult adjustments on all software companies involved, although mostly on the behemoth OS vendors. That's because Open Source OS'es are farther advanced than most of the other software, since they've been worked on and refined longer than most other OSS projects. The only reason Linux has developed so fast is the very reason it is in peril now. They were given, or appropiated, complicated chunks of code taht took others years and more $$ than the whole Linux kernal cost from start to RD the code plus access to the hardware needed to test and develop it. The Linux community could not have done JFS or NUMA on its own, not and remained a viable timely alternative. Remove that and what happens to Linux kernal? Given time, other areas will face fierce competition from OSS as well. This will be the equalizer, abrupting the mentality that customers are kept by lock-in, Marketting, and FUD. Perhaps the end result will be software companies which aim to keep market share by actually writing good and innovative code! Or maybe not. OSS is a great concept. In practice however is does not live up to its implied expectations. An example would be OpenOffice and its predicessor, StarOffice. Both were supposed to be M$Office killers. We're developing, just wait, we will have file compatability, its coming, full excel compatability,soon... just how long does it take, and how long will the potential convertees wait. Just as we hate FUD, OSS spreads the exact opposite, Hope-Anxiousness-Conviction(HAC) which is just as false. Most OSS packages dont live up to the task of being the M$ killer application or even equal, and OO has more RD clout behind it than probably any other OSS project. I use open source whenever I can but the fact is that is will be a long time before OO=M$Office, OSS cad apps=AutoCad, gimp=photoshop. It is this that really hinders the adaptation of linux to the desktop not the extra features that freely come with poorly written apps. The OSS community will never keep up, let alone catch up with the likes of an Adobe or AutoDesk. On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 23:33:30 -0500 Alma J Wetzker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reguards to SCO, we have to remember that SUN is paying a good chunk of SCO's legal fees. The traditional *nix vendors have had some very profitable niches gutted by Windoze. They are starting to see the same from linux and M$ has also noticed. I think they are all working to shut down linux on the The enemy of my enemy is my friend theory. The only problem is who has the dagger and who has the back between SUN and M$? Any bets? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: So do I need to start learning SuSE?
On 7/23/2003 3:27 PM, someone claiming to be Stuart Biggerstaff wrote: There's also Blue Linux. Lizard installer and KDE3.x desktop. They also have some broken stuff--development process makes Lycoris look like RedHat or Microsoft. True about Lizard. It's so logical the way it does video--which is the most likely to fail--early in the program, but otherwise does almost all the fill-in-the-blanks stuff after it has already started copying files to the hard drive. Mandrake's installer (in particular) asks all the questions after the files have been copied, so it takes nearly twice as long. snip Plus there was the game at the end that you could play if you wanted to sit at the computer while waiting for the install to finish. Didn't COL-2.3 have Pacman? Which, BTW, kpacman comes real close to... http://kpacman.sourceforge.net/ Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT] I can't belive this can be happen ????????
Huh? Not even SCO is saying this. They're saying (in particular) that since IBM spent their own RD funds on features for their own UNIX that adding those features to Linux, so it can support their own hardware--they are violating their contract with SCO. They are also apparently claiming that even if the code is totally not shared, that if a system works like UNIX it is a copy of UNIX and thus violates their IP. BSD might be shielded from this by the earlier lawsuit--but it might not be, as the earlier suit was a) settled and b) sealed. So writing around offending code (for developers) or migrating to BSD (for users) isn't necessarily protection. At 02:15 PM 7/23/03 -0500, ronnie gauthier wrote: The only reason Linux has developed so fast is the very reason it is in peril now. They were given, or appropiated, complicated chunks of code taht took others years and more $$ than the whole Linux kernal cost from start to RD the code plus access to the hardware needed to test and develop it. The Linux community could not have done JFS or NUMA on its own, not and remained a viable timely alternative. Remove that and what happens to Linux kernal? Stuart Biggerstaff Linda Hall Library of Science Engineering Technology 5109 Cherry St. Kansas City, MO 64110 Phone: (816) 926-8748 (800) 662-1545 x748 FAX:(816) 926-8785 URL:www.lindahall.org ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Process select for SuSE 8.2
On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 01:29:32PM -0400, Net Llama! wrote: On Wed, 23 Jul 2003, Bill Campbell wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 01:05:31PM -0400, Matthew Carpenter wrote: chkconfig seems to be becoming a CLI standard for checking/changing the startup status for services as well... Is that part of the UnitedLinux standard or RH? chkconfig is a Redhat thing. I dont' know if other distros are now using it though. The insserv program on SuSE uses some comment fields in the /etc/init.d files which specify dependencies. I think this is probably a UnitedLinux thing, and seems like a Good Idea(tm) to me. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ It's very glamorous to raise millions of dollars, until it's time for the venture capitalist to suck your eyeballs out. -- Peter Kennedy, chairman of Kraft Kennedy. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: So do I need to start learning SuSE?
Matthew Carpenter wrote: I would like to see a distro which is as powerful and "GUI-Friendly" as SuSE 8.2 pro, done with a Lizard install... Don't you all remember the beauty of Lizard!? Now only Lycoris uses it, and I'd probably be willing to run some Lycoris if they'd include some of the new packages (like KDE3.1, etc...) SOT, formerly Best Linux, used Lizard. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Libranet Debian has an installer that is "reminiscent" of Lizard, but of course it is not as graphically sophisticated. The Lizard partition tool IMHO is still unequalled. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 2.8 Debian System LI ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: network problem: internet sharing
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:38:13 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] David, again many thanks but I have thrown up my hands and bought a netgear router FR114P with some bells and whistles. I now have daughters computer on the damd net at last. I am also online with XP but NOT with linux. Sheesh its a either or situation! The problem is with me not linux, however I did try using the mandrake gui connection and I could not manage to get it to connect. Hence I cannot call up ifconfig but there was no default gateway showing in ROUTE and only an ip of 192.168.0.0 on eth0. When I got back to windows it would not connect and I had to go through the setup proceedures once again. I presume that what I was fooling with stuffed the router settings. There are no visible settings that i can use from windows that i can use in linux. The ip of the router seems to be 192.168.0.1, used for http config. I have not ips for downstairs computer either. Can I asume the this one would be 192.168.0.2 and the downstairs 192.168.0.3, or is this impossible. How can i find out what is using what ip's. Use ipconfig you say but when i call it here a little black window flashes up and is gone in a flash. One day I will have both online but its still frustrating, but at least i have a daughter (monkey) off my back. Well, all you did was buy another problem. If you still need/want help with anything Linux, let us know. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. Nemesis Racing Team motto GPG key autoresponder: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT] I can't belive this can be happen ????????
SCO is calling those derivatives of their work. On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:52:57 -0500 - Stuart Biggerstaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: [OT] I can't belive this can be happen Huh? Not even SCO is saying this. They're saying (in particular) that since IBM spent their own RD funds on features for their own UNIX that adding those features to Linux, so it can support their own hardware--they are violating their contract with SCO. They are also apparently claiming that even if the code is totally not shared, that if a system works like UNIX it is a copy of UNIX and thus violates their IP. BSD might be shielded from this by the earlier lawsuit--but it might not be, as the earlier suit was a) settled and b) sealed. So writing around offending code (for developers) or migrating to BSD (for users) isn't necessarily protection. At 02:15 PM 7/23/03 -0500, ronnie gauthier wrote: The only reason Linux has developed so fast is the very reason it is in peril now. They were given, or appropiated, complicated chunks of code taht took others years and more $$ than the whole Linux kernal cost from start to RD the code plus access to the hardware needed to test and develop it. The Linux community could not have done JFS or NUMA on its own, not and remained a viable timely alternative. Remove that and what happens to Linux kernal? Stuart Biggerstaff Linda Hall Library of Science Engineering Technology 5109 Cherry St. Kansas City, MO 64110 Phone: (816) 926-8748 (800) 662-1545 x748 FAX:(816) 926-8785 URL:www.lindahall.org ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fw: If Linux was a car -
Quoth Tony Alfrey: On Tuesday 22 July 2003 04:02 pm, el lodger wrote: Begin forwarded message: Subject: If Linux was a car A complete hoot! As much as I laughed when I read this, and as much as I would like it to be otherwise, it is exactly true. snip Not too far from it. Kurt -- Don't take life too seriously -- you'll never get out of it alive. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: network problem: internet sharing
Keith, if you are talking about XP that little black window is the command prompt running and exiting. Try opening the Command prompt (start-programs-accessories-command prompt) and THEN run ipconfig. David A. Bandel wrote: On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:38:13 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ip of the router seems to be 192.168.0.1, used for http config. I have not ips for downstairs computer either. Can I asume the this one would be 192.168.0.2 and the downstairs 192.168.0.3, or is this impossible. How can i find out what is using what ip's. Use ipconfig you say but when i call it here a little black window flashes up and is gone in a flash. Well, all you did was buy another problem. If you still need/want help with anything Linux, let us know. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: network problem: internet sharing
Matt, No offense taken. I was just getting a col box on the net (I mostly do development so the net wasn't critical) and I wanted to share the dialup connection with other machines on the home network. All the FAQ's and howto's told me how to setup ipchains. So I went and found ipchains and loaded it up. nothing ever worked right. I do know IP networking but I don't know *nix real well. I finally asked for help and was told, bluntly, to pay attention and use iptables. (See 'if linux were cars') After reading up on iptables and fiddling some more it still was not working the way I wanted and 3 - 4 weeks had gone by. A $60 SMC router will handle modem dialout, act as a print server and act as a dhcp server. As far as I am concerned, that fixes the problem and I get what I want from the network. I still don't know what was not setup correctly on my part but I don't care enough to find out. (I really don't have the time.) With Keith's setup, I was concerned that the network cards in the linux box might not be routing across each other. I like to setup a separate logical network segment for each card if only for ease of maintenance. For instance: eth0192.168.0.1nm 255.255.255.0 eth1192.168.1.1nm 255.255.255.0 My background is CPM, DOS and Novell along with some embedded stuff. I have tended to do software links between applications that are not supposed to talk to each other. Doing system admin stuff is new to me and not terribly exciting for its own sake. I know I don't fit in but I am learning alot. -- Alma Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:23:18 -0400 I'd be interested in hearing your experience. My company has invested a lot into Linux as a firewall/router/NAT device because we can depend on them better than just about anything else available. Short of Hardware failure, Linux firewalls/routers/NAT devices are one of the most powerful and reliable on the market, being able to do complex firewalling, IDS/IDP, NAT (both directions), reporting, and much more. The only times I have found Linux not function well in this roll has been resulting from a lack of basic education. The workstations behind it weren't configured for IP or there wasn't a DHCP server or the DHCP configuration wasn't handing out a default route correctly. No offense to you, Alma... I know I must be sounding like a biggot at the moment (sounding the trumpet while on the Linux list and all), but most problems I've found have been lack of knowledge about how a TCP/IP network works, including configuration and routing. And Microsoft tries to automate it... but AUTO is a four-letter word, because AUTO only works part of the time. And the AUTO methods tend to make you not consider some potential problem areas because they work sometimes. While I'm not sure what is going on at Keith's I have to say that in the event of random or inconsistent issues, most problems I've dealt with have been a Windows problem. My biggest unknown here is Mandrake, since Mandrake is attempting to be a Microsoft competitor, they may be attempting some automated stuff. I'm not sure whether this was covered or not, but if you have the XP box set to dynamic, you need a DHCP server. If it is hard-set to 192.168.1.2, it needs to have the correct netmask (most often chosen as 255.255.255.0 but if generated by network class, it could be 255.255.0.0), Default Gateway of 192.168.1.2, and DNS servers need to be set to whatever the Linux box is being handed in DHCP. Otherwise, you can point to mine: 69.33.10.245 and 69.33.10.246. Again, no offense to anyone here. Thanks, Matt ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT] I can't believe this can be happening ????????
Well, yeah. But they are applying a very ambitious reading of what is derivative. If the courts agree, ultimately BSD, MacOS X, and maybe even Windows NT/2000/XP would also be vulnerable. For the most part SCO aren't claiming that advanced features were stolen from UNIX by Linux, but that because of contracts with them the companies actually doing the work should have contributed it only to UNIX, but instead also contributed THEIR OWN WORK to Linux. Funny, it has been the aim of the FSF since its start to produce a free alternative to UNIX. SCO is saying that if it is indeed an alternative to UNIX then by definition it falls under their IP. At 05:35 PM 7/23/03 -0500, ronnie gauthier wrote: SCO is calling those derivatives of their work. Stuart Biggerstaff Linda Hall Library of Science Engineering Technology 5109 Cherry St. Kansas City, MO 64110 Phone: (816) 926-8748 (800) 662-1545 x748 FAX:(816) 926-8785 URL:www.lindahall.org ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT] I can't believe this can be happening ????????
On Wednesday 23 July 2003 07:46 pm, Stuart Biggerstaff wrote: Well, yeah. But they are applying a very ambitious reading of what is derivative. If the courts agree, ultimately BSD, MacOS X, and maybe even Windows NT/2000/XP would also be vulnerable. For the most part SCO aren't claiming that advanced features were stolen from UNIX by Linux, but that because of contracts with them the companies actually doing the work should have contributed it only to UNIX, but instead also contributed THEIR OWN WORK to Linux. Seems by their reasoning, Ford can claim IP infringement, etc because the others have wheels and an engine. None of them could have possibly created a wheel and engine without copying their design. If you generalize any term or concept enough, it can eventually cover just about anything. Funny, it has been the aim of the FSF since its start to produce a free alternative to UNIX. SCO is saying that if it is indeed an alternative to UNIX then by definition it falls under their IP. The FSF has done a good job of ensuring GPL compliance. Since SCO will only show the code via NDA who's to know? The few that have signed the NDA agree they were not shown enough to make an informed judgment/opinion. I don't see how the FSF can be held responsible for that. To do so means they would have to had access to SCO code. In the end when I ride my alternative vehicle (bicycle) doesn't mean Ford can claim it falls under their IP. -- Registered Linux user 193414 http://counter.li.org Trying? My contribution was much closer to a feeble wave in the general direction of something that might lead you one step closer to a solution if you squint really hard and do all of the work. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: So do I need to start learning SuSE?
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:27:07 -0500 Stuart Biggerstaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True about Lizard. It's so logical the way it does video--which is the most likely to fail--early in the program. Yeah, so logical, it fails as soon as lizard starts!!! One of the things that started me on the drift away from Caldera was the fact that Caldera could expend the effort to run fancy graphics on my PC at boot time, but they wouldn't expend the $.02 worth of effort to make lizard run on my fscking SiS video card. Not a problem these days, but it still sticks in my craw, so I don't have fond memories of lizard. Also, until the idiots (only to the extent below) at gnu come up with another incompatible glibc/gcc combo that breaks everything you have installed, I have no need to install anything again from scratch, so I'm not really excited about a fancy graphical installer. Something like the Slack installer is plenty for me. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: network problem: internet sharing
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:23:18 -0400 Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft tries to automate it... but AUTO is a four-letter word, because AUTO only works part of the time. And the AUTO methods tend to make you not consider some potential problem areas because they work sometimes. I guess I'm somewhere in the middle. M$ is not my favorite, but my family likes it, and in my case with WinXP AUTO=DONE, and that's a four letter word I can handle. It beats hell out of the screwing around I had to do for my Win98 machines. WinXP probed the communications setup, made the entries, and ping www.xx.com worked out of the chute, as did finding the shared files and printer on the dying Win98 box I was replacing. Of course I have a plain-jane Netgear router that's sitting atop my computer stand out of sight, collecting dust, and working flawlessly delivering the sort of absolutely standard DHCP, etc. that a communications lightweight like myself might struggle to implement in a linux router. In the case of video support, however, AUTO=FSCKgroan. Since I loathe screwing around with Windows machines, I'm just glad that M$ got this much right. Other than to do backups now and then, I hope never to need to touch the machine again. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: network problem: internet sharing
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 18:22:39 -0500 Alma J Wetzker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt, No offense taken. I was just getting a col box on the net (I mostly do development so the net wasn't critical) and I wanted to share the dialup connection with other machines on the home network. All the FAQ's and howto's told me how to setup ipchains. So I went and found ipchains and loaded it up. nothing ever worked right. I do know IP networking but I don't know *nix real well. I finally asked for help and was told, bluntly, to pay attention and use iptables. (See 'if linux were cars') Stick around Alma. This group (like most others) is a mixture of those who are knowledgable and who will help anyone who asks and those who sometimes give the impression that anyone who hasn't reached their exalted level of understanding must be a troll. I've learned a lot here, helped out some, and been called a troll. A thick skin helps. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: network problem: internet sharing
On Wednesday 23 July 2003 10:50 pm, Collins Richey wrote: Stick around Alma. This group (like most others) is a mixture of those who are knowledgable and who will help anyone who asks and those who sometimes give the impression that anyone who hasn't reached their exalted level of understanding must be a troll. I've learned a lot here, helped out some, and been called a troll. A thick skin helps. A little brandy helps, too. -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net This email account no longers accepts attachments or messages containing html. 10:05pm up 13 days, 8:03, 4 users, load average: 1.04, 1.06, 0.98 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT] I can't believe this can be happening ????????
On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 18:46:26 -0500 - Stuart Biggerstaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: [OT] I can't believe this can be happening Well, yeah. But they are applying a very ambitious reading of what is derivative. If the courts agree, ultimately BSD, MacOS X, and maybe even Windows NT/2000/XP would also be vulnerable. For the most part SCO aren't claiming that advanced features were stolen from UNIX by Linux, but that because of contracts with them the companies actually doing the work should have contributed it only to UNIX, but instead also contributed THEIR OWN WORK to Linux. Thats about what SCO seems to be saying. But BSD, OS X, and WIn would not be included in that I would think. Funny, it has been the aim of the FSF since its start to produce a free alternative to UNIX. SCO is saying that if it is indeed an alternative to UNIX then by definition it falls under their IP. Not at all, only parts containing or deriverd from their liscense with IBM, and at this point other unnamed IHV's or so they have hinted in the past. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: network problem: internet sharing
Quoth Collins Richey: On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 18:22:39 -0500 Alma J Wetzker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt, No offense taken. I was just getting a col box on the net (I mostly do development so the net wasn't critical) and I wanted to share the dialup connection with other machines on the home network. All the FAQ's and howto's told me how to setup ipchains. So I went and found ipchains and loaded it up. nothing ever worked right. I do know IP networking but I don't know *nix real well. I finally asked for help and was told, bluntly, to pay attention and use iptables. (See 'if linux were cars') Stick around Alma. This group (like most others) is a mixture of those who are knowledgable and who will help anyone who asks and those who sometimes give the impression that anyone who hasn't reached their exalted level of understanding must be a troll. I've learned a lot here, helped out some, and been called a troll. A thick skin helps. Asbestos undergarments are a real plus, too. There are lots of, um, strong personalities here, to be sure. The occasional troglodyte shows up. Mostly, though, a lot of really talented, smart, and entertaining people hang out here, and they kindly tolerate and humor the rest of us who are mere mortals. Kurt -- When someone says I want a programming language in which I need only say what I wish done, give him a lollipop. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: network problem: internet sharing
At 12:23 PM 23/07/2003 -0400, you wrote: I'd be interested in hearing your experience. My company has invested a lot into Linux as a firewall/router/NAT device because we can depend on them better than just about anything else available. Short of Hardware failure, Linux firewalls/routers/NAT devices are one of the most powerful and reliable on the market, being able to do complex firewalling, IDS/IDP, NAT (both directions), reporting, and much more. The only times I have found Linux not function well in this roll has been resulting from a lack of basic education. The workstations behind it weren't configured for IP or there wasn't a DHCP server or the DHCP configuration wasn't handing out a default route correctly. No offense to you, Alma... I know I must be sounding like a biggot at the moment (sounding the trumpet while on the Linux list and all), but most problems I've found have been lack of knowledge about how a TCP/IP network works, including configuration and routing. And Microsoft tries to automate it... but AUTO is a four-letter word, because AUTO only works part of the time. And the AUTO methods tend to make you not consider some potential problem areas because they work sometimes. While I'm not sure what is going on at Keith's I have to say that in the event of random or inconsistent issues, most problems I've dealt with have been a Windows problem. My biggest unknown here is Mandrake, since Mandrake is attempting to be a Microsoft competitor, they may be attempting some automated stuff. I'm not sure whether this was covered or not, but if you have the XP box set to dynamic, you need a DHCP server. If it is hard-set to 192.168.1.2, it needs to have the correct netmask (most often chosen as 255.255.255.0 but if generated by network class, it could be 255.255.0.0), Default Gateway of 192.168.1.2, and DNS servers need to be set to whatever the Linux box is being handed in DHCP. Otherwise, you can point to mine: 69.33.10.245 and 69.33.10.246. Again, no offense to anyone here. Thanks, Matt Maybe you did not see my last mail to David, I have bascically chucked the towel on with XP downstairs as I have experienced this before. So I went and bought a Netgear cable router, now evryone is connected fine except linux sheesh. If I try to setup linux manually it still does not connect but it also stuffs up the XP connection seeing i am dual boot. Skipp in windoze ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: network problem: internet sharing
At 12:20 PM 23/07/2003 -0400, you wrote: To run ipconfig open a command prompt first - start, run cmd. Once the command window is open try ipconfig. Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager Lynch Digital Media Inc Ta for that little info. So now I have the settings, but getting them into linux ? Up till now using the Mandrake Control centre and inserting what I found from IPconfig still does not connect and still messes with XP if I reboot to that. I want to use both online without having to reconfig the router and modem each time. I' ll get there soon I hope grin Skippy ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: network problem: internet sharing
At 12:49 PM 23/07/2003 -0400, you wrote: On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:38:13 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ip of the router seems to be 192.168.0.1, used for http config. I have not ips for downstairs computer either. Can I asume the this one would be 192.168.0.2 and the downstairs 192.168.0.3, or is this impossible. How can i find out what is using what ip's. Use ipconfig you say but when i call it here a little black window flashes up and is gone in a flash. If the IP of the router is 192.168.0.1, what is the netmask? That needs to be the netmask for all of the machines. Is the NetGear router doing DHCP? If so, set the Linux machine and the XP machine both to use DHCP and everything else should be good (unless the NetGear DHCP is messed up. You have to call ipconfig from inside a command window Start - Run - cmd enter Well I got ipconfig to work thaks to Will, the numbers I got: XP 192.168.0.2 GW 19+2.168.0.1 NM 255.255.255.0 Skippy ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: network problem: internet sharing
At 10:48 PM 23/07/2003 -0400, you wrote: On Wednesday 23 July 2003 10:50 pm, Collins Richey wrote: Stick around Alma. This group (like most others) is a mixture of those who are knowledgable and who will help anyone who asks and those who sometimes give the impression that anyone who hasn't reached their exalted level of understanding must be a troll. I've learned a lot here, helped out some, and been called a troll. A thick skin helps. A little brandy helps, too. I tried ilkahal and lost the bloody keyboard. Skuuppyy hic ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: network problem: internet sharing
At 11:07 PM 23/07/2003 -0400, you wrote: Asbestos undergarments are a real plus, too. There are lots of, um, strong personalities here, to be sure. The occasional troglodyte shows up. Mostly, though, a lot of really talented, smart, and entertaining people hang out here, and they kindly tolerate and humor the rest of us who are mere mortals. Kurt Oh No!! Is that kurt Wall saying he is mortal, getaway. The Smart- Handsome- Intelligent- Skippy ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
I get a lot from router
I am getting mail from the router which I do not understand. The following IP's are being dropped. I can see they are local but why are they being generated at all and why are they not received. some from 192.168.0.2,137 are allowed. Tue, 2003-07-22 22:55:37 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:192.168.0.2,138,LAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:55:43 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:10.55.0.1,67,WAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:55:51 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:10.55.0.1,67,WAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:55:59 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:10.55.0.1,67,WAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:56:04 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:10.55.0.1,67,WAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:56:06 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:192.168.0.2,137,LAN - [Receive] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:56:07 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:10.55.0.1,67,WAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:56:12 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:10.55.0.1,67,WAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:56:28 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:10.55.0.1,67,WAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:56:30 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:10.55.0.1,67,WAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:56:32 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:10.55.0.1,67,WAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:56:41 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:10.55.0.1,67,WAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:56:57 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:10.55.0.1,67,WAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:57:43 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:192.168.0.2,137,LAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:57:43 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:192.168.0.2,137,LAN - [Drop] Tue, 2003-07-22 22:57:44 - Device Receive UDP Packet - Source:192.168.0.2,137,LAN - [Drop] Skippy ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
