ADMIN: Upcoming downtime

2003-09-11 Thread Douglas J Hunley
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Yesterday (9/10) our server room was without main power for about an hour. 
While the UPSes did their job admirrably, we did notice 2 points where power 
needs to be redistributed. As such, we'll be rerouting power cables and UPSes 
tomorrw (9/12). We expect the downtime to be minimal.
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Problem facing while trying to send mail through pine

2003-09-11 Thread Swapana Ghosh
Hi 

  I am running sendmail on Cobalt raq4r.. i have created one user under
one domain. when i am using webmail , i am not facing any problem to send the
mail. But when i am trying to send the mails through pine, i am getting errors
as follows:


Sep 10 13:21:54 server sendmail[381]: h8AKLsc00381: SYSERR(testg): rewrite:
exce
ssive recursion (max 50), ruleset canonify

Can anybody give me some hints? 

Thanks in advance.
-Swapna


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OT Wind River dropping BSD

2003-09-11 Thread Harry Giles
http://www.bsdnewsletter.com/2003/09/News105.html

Bummer.

Harry G

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[OT] What are they afraid of?

2003-09-11 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA

Microsoft sent me a notice of a security update for Win2K, with the usual
dire warnings (update or some hacker will rip you off).  OK, the warning was
valid, the implication that it won't happen if you update may not be.  For a
change, I decided to spend the time to read the EULA, just for kicks.  I
found some interesting paragraphs.

I had to type it in by hand, because I don't know how to extract it from a
.prn file (the only thing it could be saved as), and it couldn't be cut and
paste.

---
* You may not disclose the results of any benchmark test of the .NET
Framework component of the OS Components to any third party without
Microsoft's prior written approval.
---

Translation:
We are so certain that this pig is glacial that we only allow disclosure of
rigged tests.

An additional paragraph (fairly long) specified that under no conditions
could Microsoft be held responsible for damages ...ARISING OUT OF OR IN ANY
WAY RELATED TO THE USE OF OR INABILITY TO USE THE OS COMPONENTS OR THE
SUPPORT SERVICES, ... EVEN IF MICROSOFT OR ANY SUPPLIER HAS BEEN ADVISED OF
THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES.

Translation:  Whether you can or can't use it isn't our problem, we've got
your money now.

And finally, they limit their liability to ...THE GREATER OF THE AMOUNT
ACTUALLY PAID BY YOU FOR THE OS COMPONENTS OR U.S.$5.00.

Translation:  The true value of our software is $5.00.


Give me the GPL any day!


Tom  :-})

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no mail?

2003-09-11 Thread Bob Hemus
Doug, is the users' mail down or did my fp-linux-ws make you disappear?
Bob
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Helloooooo...

2003-09-11 Thread burns
Where did everyone go? I haven't received any list mail today.

Or is it my mail/ISP?
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linus to darl: huh?

2003-09-11 Thread dep
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,84782,00.html?nas=AM-84782
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Re: no stereo from line-in

2003-09-11 Thread Jorge Almeida
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Tim Wunder wrote:

 Just the obvious question:
 Are you connecting to the sound card with a stereo plug?
 
 A stereo plug will have two obvious contact areas on it (they'll look 
 like black stripes) for the left and right channels.
 Just becasue you have a Y-cable that connect 2 wires into 1 doesn't mean 
 the output from the 1 connector will be stereo.
 
Hmmm... I'm not using any Y cable. The cable connects the line-out of a walkman cd 
player to the line-in of the sound card. I know I can get stereo out of the cable when 
I connect the headphones to it.
I also can get stereo out of the card (into the headphones, or into the 
columns+subwoofer, from another output jack) when playing a .wav file out of the HD. 
What I can't get is stereo from the line-in, nor any sound at all from the (internal) 
cdrom drives (a CDRW and a DVD drive); I don't know whether these two issues are 
related.
Thanks for any help.
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Re: If this doesn't exist it should! SSH over SSL

2003-09-11 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:41:32 -0600
Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This was seen on freshmeat.net yesterday (tuesday):
 
 http://www.ericdaugherty.com/dev/soht/

Wow. I need something like that. We have a client in England behind an anal
retentive firewall. They are offering a long distance modem call that I
would have to pay. Maybe this will let me in to admin a system we have set
up. Thank you for the pointer. Now I need to figure out which is client and
which is server. Maybe each will be both.

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Problem facing while tring to send mail through pine

2003-09-11 Thread Swapana Ghosh
Hi 

  I am running sendmail on Cobalt raq4r.. i have created one user under
one domain. when i am using webmail , i am not facing any problem to send the
mail. But when i am trying to send the mails through pine, i am getting errors
as follows:


Sep 10 13:21:54 server sendmail[381]: h8AKLsc00381: SYSERR(testg): rewrite:
exce
ssive recursion (max 50), ruleset canonify

Can anybody give me some hints? 

Thanks in advance.
-Swapna


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Re: [OT] What are they afraid of?

2003-09-11 Thread David A. Bandel
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 09:34:52 -0700
Condon Thomas A KPWA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[snip]

 And finally, they limit their liability to ...THE GREATER OF THE
 AMOUNT ACTUALLY PAID BY YOU FOR THE OS COMPONENTS OR U.S.$5.00.
 
 Translation:  The true value of our software is $5.00.

I'd say it's overvalued at that price.

Ciao,

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Re: no stereo from line-in

2003-09-11 Thread Tim Wunder
On 9/10/2003 5:34 PM, someone claiming to be Jorge Almeida wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Tim Wunder wrote:


Just the obvious question: Are you connecting to the sound card
with a stereo plug?
A stereo plug will have two obvious contact areas on it (they'll
look like black stripes) for the left and right channels. Just
becasue you have a Y-cable that connect 2 wires into 1 doesn't mean
 the output from the 1 connector will be stereo.
Hmmm... I'm not using any Y cable. The cable connects the line-out of
a walkman cd player to the line-in of the sound card.
OK, do the connectors on both ends of THAT cable have two contact 
points?  The *important* thing is that the soundcard needs to get a left 
and right channel.

... I know I can
get stereo out of the cable when I connect the headphones to it.
You connect headphones to the same cable? Don't your headphones connect 
to the walkman directly and not to some adapter cable?

... I
also can get stereo out of the card (into the headphones, or into the
columns+subwoofer, from another output jack) when playing a .wav file
out of the HD. What I can't get is stereo from the line-in, nor any
sound at all from the (internal) cdrom drives (a CDRW and a DVD
drive); I don't know whether these two issues are related. Thanks for
any help.
A cable from the CD drives to the sound card is required to get sound 
from the CD drives. Also you mixer settings must have that line enabled.

HTH,
Tim
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RE: Gentoo problem compiling modules

2003-09-11 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA
Alan Jackson wrote:
 I installed Gentoo a week ago, and it has mostly been quite smooth.
 
 However some, but not all, of my modules missed getting compiled.
 In particular, usb/printer doesn't seem to want to compile. I ran
 make modules_install
 and it didn't help. I get no errors, I just don't get a
 printer.o file created. Any suggestions?

Did you run make modules first?


Tom  :-})

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RE: If this doesn't exist it should! SSH over SSL

2003-09-11 Thread James McDonald
ISA Server checks not only what port but what protocol is being used to
connect to external services so shifting a ssh terminal or similar to an
open port such as 443 will fail because ISA server only wants to talk
https on 443.

So what I am talking about is having a webserver application that talks a
version of https and you would have a submit button in your browser to
send shell command and they would go over the wire as completely safe
html/https and then be translated by the webserver application as what
they are ... shell commands.


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Re: Helloooooo...

2003-09-11 Thread Tony Alfrey
On Wednesday 10 September 2003 05:38 pm, burns wrote:
 Where did everyone go? I haven't received any list mail today.

 Or is it my mail/ISP?

Workin' OK here.

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Re: Helloooooo...

2003-09-11 Thread Tim Wunder
On 9/11/2003 2:11 PM, someone claiming to be Tony Alfrey wrote:

On Wednesday 10 September 2003 05:38 pm, burns wrote:

Where did everyone go? I haven't received any list mail today.

Or is it my mail/ISP?


Workin' OK here.

Well if you consider getting a message on Thursday afternoon that was 
sent on Wednesday afternoon OK, then it's working OK here, too ;-)

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Re: net radio

2003-09-11 Thread Bill Davidson
On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 09:42:13 -0700
Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Anyone found good sources of internet radio that work in mozilla? Many
 
 that I have tried use a url including playlist=... which opens to a 
 blank window.

http://www.shoutcast.com

Bill

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Re: Helloooooo...

2003-09-11 Thread Tony Alfrey
On Thursday 11 September 2003 11:12 am, Tim Wunder wrote:
 On 9/11/2003 2:11 PM, someone claiming to be Tony Alfrey wrote:
  On Wednesday 10 September 2003 05:38 pm, burns wrote:
 Where did everyone go? I haven't received any list mail today.
 
 Or is it my mail/ISP?
 
  Workin' OK here.

 Well if you consider getting a message on Thursday afternoon that was
 sent on Wednesday afternoon OK, then it's working OK here, too ;-)

Oooh, jeeze, I guess I didn't check the dates :o


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Re: Helloooooo...

2003-09-11 Thread dep
quoth Tony Alfrey:

|  Well if you consider getting a message on Thursday afternoon that
|  was sent on Wednesday afternoon OK, then it's working OK here, too
|  ;-)
|
| Oooh, jeeze, I guess I didn't check the dates :o

guess those rumors about the u.s. postal service taking over email have 
proved true . . .
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Re: net radio

2003-09-11 Thread Ken Moffat
Bill Davidson wrote:

On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 09:42:13 -0700
Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

Anyone found good sources of internet radio that work in mozilla? Many

that I have tried use a url including playlist=... which opens to a 
blank window.
   

http://www.shoutcast.com

Bill

 

I used shoutcast for a while, but quit for some time, and having tried 
it recently, it seems the links (those 'Tune In!' buttons) don't work. 
They open a blank window, and the status bar says done.

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Re: Helloooooo...

2003-09-11 Thread Tony Alfrey
On Thursday 11 September 2003 01:30 pm, dep wrote:
 quoth Tony Alfrey:
 |  Well if you consider getting a message on Thursday afternoon that
 |  was sent on Wednesday afternoon OK, then it's working OK here,
 |  too ;-)
 |
 | Oooh, jeeze, I guess I didn't check the dates :o

 guess those rumors about the u.s. postal service taking over email
 have proved true . . .

Yeah, what they do is open your mail, scan it, send it to an appropriate 
local post office as an attachment, print it out, and then deliver it 
in the usual way.

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Re: Problem facing while trying to send mail through pine

2003-09-11 Thread Net Llama!
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Swapana Ghosh wrote:
 Hi

   I am running sendmail on Cobalt raq4r.. i have created one user under
 one domain. when i am using webmail , i am not facing any problem to send the
 mail. But when i am trying to send the mails through pine, i am getting errors
 as follows:


 Sep 10 13:21:54 server sendmail[381]: h8AKLsc00381: SYSERR(testg): rewrite:
 exce
 ssive recursion (max 50), ruleset canonify

 Can anybody give me some hints?

Learn to use GOogle perhaps?
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=num=30as_scoring=rhl=enie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8btnG=Google+Searchas_epq=rewrite%3A+excessive+recursion+as_oq=as_eq=as_ugroup=as_usubject=as_uauthors=as_umsgid=lr=as_drrb=qas_qdr=as_mind=12as_minm=5as_miny=1981as_maxd=11as_maxm=9as_maxy=2003safe=off



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Re: Helloooooo...

2003-09-11 Thread Mike Reinehr
No, you've got that just backwards. All email is being delivered to a server 
located in your local post office, where it is printed. This printed copy is 
then delivered to the recipients local post office by 25 year old mule-back, 
tramp steamer, etc. Upon being delivered, it is then scanned and, finally, 
emailed to it's ultimate destination. The USPS has to justify all that fancy 
sorting  delivery equipment.  Not to mention all those high priced managers. 
  ;-)

cmr

On Thursday 11 September 2003 03:55 pm, you wrote:
 On Thursday 11 September 2003 01:30 pm, dep wrote:
  quoth Tony Alfrey:
  |  Well if you consider getting a message on Thursday afternoon that
  |  was sent on Wednesday afternoon OK, then it's working OK here,
  |  too ;-)
  |
  | Oooh, jeeze, I guess I didn't check the dates :o
 
  guess those rumors about the u.s. postal service taking over email
  have proved true . . .

 Yeah, what they do is open your mail, scan it, send it to an appropriate
 local post office as an attachment, print it out, and then deliver it
 in the usual way.

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RE: Helloooooo...

2003-09-11 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA
Mike Reinehr wrote:
 No, you've got that just backwards. All email is being delivered to a
 server located in your local post office, where it is printed. This
 printed copy is then delivered to the recipients local post office by
 25 year old mule-back, tramp steamer, etc. Upon being delivered, it
 is then scanned and, finally, emailed to it's ultimate destination.
 The USPS has to justify all that fancy sorting  delivery equipment. 
   Not to mention all those high priced managers. ;-)

Hey, those managers deserve the pay.  Imagine, you make one small comment
about someone's work and he goes postal!


Tom  :-})

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PS For those not familiar with US colloquialisms, going postal is walking
into work with one or more firearms and shooting until everyone around you
is dead or you are out of ammunition, whichever comes first.  It has
happened in enough post offices to engender the term.
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Re: net radio

2003-09-11 Thread Keith Antoine
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:59 am, Bill Davidson wrote:
 On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 09:42:13 -0700

 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Anyone found good sources of internet radio that work in mozilla? Many
 
  that I have tried use a url including playlist=... which opens to a
  blank window.

 http://www.shoutcast.com

 Bill

My mozilla says it does not know what to do with the file. version 1.5 beta.

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list

2003-09-11 Thread Rick Sivernell
List

  stupid problem needing simple answer. I have rebuilt my system and remounted
several partitions when completed. I now have permission denied on the binary
programs. They all have :  rwxrwxr__   rick users program name and I am loged
in as rick in group users. I have tried re chmod but nothing changes the ability
to have the programs perform.  Any help or suggestions appreciated.

cheers


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RE: list

2003-09-11 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA
Rick Sivernell wrote:
 List
 
   stupid problem needing simple answer. I have rebuilt my system and
 remounted several partitions when completed. I now have permission
 denied on the binary programs. They all have :  rwxrwxr__   rick
 users program name and I am loged in as rick in group users. I have
 tried re chmod but nothing changes the ability to have the programs
 perform.  Any help or suggestions appreciated. 
 
 cheers

Is the directory executable?


Tom  :-})

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Re: list

2003-09-11 Thread Net Llama!
On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Rick Sivernell wrote:
   stupid problem needing simple answer. I have rebuilt my system and remounted
 several partitions when completed. I now have permission denied on the binary
 programs. They all have :  rwxrwxr__   rick users program name and I am loged
 in as rick in group users. I have tried re chmod but nothing changes the ability
 to have the programs perform.  Any help or suggestions appreciated.

So you're saying thatr even after setting the binaries to 777 you cannot
execute them?  THen you most likely need to use chattr (see the man page).
How did you back this stuff up that the perms on the binaries are all
screwed?

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Server question

2003-09-11 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA

I'm moving a server to a remote location where it will have a dedicated IP
and higher bandwidth to serve several websites.

My current plans include only the following services on this server:
Apache
SSH
iptables
Shorewall

The firewall will be provided by iptables, with help administering from
Shorewall (I don't have time to learn iptables).
SSH will allow secure remote access for administration.
Apache will serve the web pages.

Anyone care to suggest what I've left out?


Tom  :-})

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Re: Gentoo problem compiling modules

2003-09-11 Thread Brett I. Holcomb
Did you use makeconfig to define whatever it takes to make the module 
compile?

Alan Jackson wrote:

 I installed Gentoo a week ago, and it has mostly been quite smooth.
 
 However some, but not all, of my modules missed getting compiled. In
 particular, usb/printer doesn't seem to want to compile. I ran
 make modules_install
 and it didn't help. I get no errors, I just don't get a
 printer.o file created. Any suggestions?
 
 This is making it hard for me to print!
 

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Re: Server question

2003-09-11 Thread Net Llama!
On 09/11/03 15:18, Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote:

I'm moving a server to a remote location where it will have a dedicated IP
and higher bandwidth to serve several websites.
My current plans include only the following services on this server:
Apache
SSH
iptables
Shorewall
The firewall will be provided by iptables, with help administering from
Shorewall (I don't have time to learn iptables).
SSH will allow secure remote access for administration.
Apache will serve the web pages.
Anyone care to suggest what I've left out?
Left our for what??

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RE: Server question

2003-09-11 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA
Net Llama! wrote:
 On 09/11/03 15:18, Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote:
 
 I'm moving a server to a remote location where it will have a
 dedicated IP and higher bandwidth to serve several websites.
 
 My current plans include only the following services on this server:
 Apache SSH
 iptables
 Shorewall
 
 The firewall will be provided by iptables, with help administering
 from Shorewall (I don't have time to learn iptables).
 SSH will allow secure remote access for administration.
 Apache will serve the web pages.
 
 Anyone care to suggest what I've left out?
 
 Left our for what??

Ah.  For software needed to operate as a secure web server.


Tom  :-})

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Re: Gentoo problem compiling modules

2003-09-11 Thread Alan Jackson
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:50:37 -0700
Condon Thomas A KPWA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Alan Jackson wrote:
  I installed Gentoo a week ago, and it has mostly been quite smooth.
  
  However some, but not all, of my modules missed getting compiled.
  In particular, usb/printer doesn't seem to want to compile. I ran
  make modules_install
  and it didn't help. I get no errors, I just don't get a
  printer.o file created. Any suggestions?
 
 Did you run make modules first?
 

Yes.

I'm closer to the problem, though. For some reason, in my 
/etc/kernels/default_config
the usb printer is disabled. I tried editing this file and
recompiling, but that doesn't do it. What command does
gentoo expect for me to update whatever file knows which
modules to compile?


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Re: net radio

2003-09-11 Thread Bruce Marshall
On Thursday 11 September 2003 16:30 pm, Ken Moffat wrote:
 Bill Davidson wrote:
 On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 09:42:13 -0700
 
 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anyone found good sources of internet radio that work in mozilla?
  Many
 
 that I have tried use a url including playlist=... which opens to
  a blank window.
 
 http://www.shoutcast.com
 
 Bill

 I used shoutcast for a while, but quit for some time, and having tried
 it recently, it seems the links (those 'Tune In!' buttons) don't work.
 They open a blank window, and the status bar says done.

Worked fine today under Konqueror..



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RE: Server question

2003-09-11 Thread Wil McGilvery
No email, bind or database applications? What are you doing for backup?

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Net Llama! wrote:
 On 09/11/03 15:18, Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote:
 
 I'm moving a server to a remote location where it will have a
 dedicated IP and higher bandwidth to serve several websites.
 
 My current plans include only the following services on this server:
 Apache SSH
 iptables
 Shorewall
 
 The firewall will be provided by iptables, with help administering
 from Shorewall (I don't have time to learn iptables).
 SSH will allow secure remote access for administration.
 Apache will serve the web pages.
 
 Anyone care to suggest what I've left out?
 
 Left our for what??

Ah.  For software needed to operate as a secure web server.


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Re: net radio

2003-09-11 Thread Collins Richey
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 07:09:23 +1000
Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:59 am, Bill Davidson wrote:
  On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 09:42:13 -0700
 
  Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Anyone found good sources of internet radio that work in mozilla?
   Many
  
   that I have tried use a url including playlist=... which opens
   to a blank window.
 
  http://www.shoutcast.com
 
  Bill
 
 My mozilla says it does not know what to do with the file. version 1.5
 beta.
 

I don't knbow what to do with shoutcast files, either.  

I use the following url for searching for sites with streaming audio. 
Most of
them use mplayer or realplayer.  They don't update the links very often;
some are non-existent.

http://www.radio-locator.com/

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Re: Gentoo problem compiling modules

2003-09-11 Thread Collins Richey
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:02:09 -0500
Alan Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I installed Gentoo a week ago, and it has mostly been quite smooth.
 
 However some, but not all, of my modules missed getting compiled.
 In particular, usb/printer doesn't seem to want to compile. I ran 
 make modules_install 
 and it didn't help. I get no errors, I just don't get a
 printer.o file created. Any suggestions?
 
 This is making it hard for me to print!
 

Never heard of this.  Which of the many kernel offerings on gentoo are
you using?  Have you tried with the plain vanilla kernel?  You mentioned
make modules_install.  Did you do make modules first?

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Re: net radio

2003-09-11 Thread Tim Wunder
On Thursday 11 September 2003 5:09 pm, someone claiming to be Keith Antoine 
wrote:
 On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:59 am, Bill Davidson wrote:
  On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 09:42:13 -0700
 
  Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Anyone found good sources of internet radio that work in mozilla? Many
  
   that I have tried use a url including playlist=... which opens to a
   blank window.
 
  http://www.shoutcast.com
 
  Bill

 My mozilla says it does not know what to do with the file. version 1.5
 beta.

Just tell it to open with /usr/bin/xmms
WFM... MozillaFirebird 0.6.1

Tim

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SCO speaks the truth

2003-09-11 Thread Alma J Wetzker
Darl explains his open letter to the OSS community.

http://computerworld.com/newsletter/0,4902,84819,00.html?nlid=PM

My take on it is that he isn't telling us which code is infringing 
because he doesn't want it removed.  What he wants is a revenue stream 
from linux sales.  Check it out, straight from the horses mouth?.

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Re: net radio

2003-09-11 Thread Tim Wunder
On Thursday 11 September 2003 4:30 pm, someone claiming to be Ken Moffat 
wrote:
 Bill Davidson wrote:
 On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 09:42:13 -0700
 
 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Anyone found good sources of internet radio that work in mozilla? Many
 
 that I have tried use a url including playlist=... which opens to a
 blank window.
 
 http://www.shoutcast.com
 
 Bill

 I used shoutcast for a while, but quit for some time, and having tried
 it recently, it seems the links (those 'Tune In!' buttons) don't work.
 They open a blank window, and the status bar says done.

Perhaps you have some file association problem with Mozilla trying to open the 
stream with the wrong app. Try renaming .mozilla to a backup location (with 
Moz closed, of course) and see if it clears up the problem.

Tim

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Re: net radio

2003-09-11 Thread Bill Davidson
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 07:09:23 +1000
Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 05:59 am, Bill Davidson wrote:
  On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 09:42:13 -0700
 
  Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Anyone found good sources of internet radio that work in mozilla?
   Many
  
   that I have tried use a url including playlist=... which opens
   to a blank window.
 
  http://www.shoutcast.com
 
  Bill
 
 My mozilla says it does not know what to do with the file. version 1.5
 beta.

You need to tell mozilla what to do with it. I use xmms.

Bill
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Re: net radio

2003-09-11 Thread Bill Davidson
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 13:30:38 -0700
Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Bill Davidson wrote:
 
 On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 09:42:13 -0700
 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   
 
 Anyone found good sources of internet radio that work in mozilla?
 Many
 that I have tried use a url including playlist=... which opens to
 a blank window.
 
 
 
 http://www.shoutcast.com
 
 Bill
 
   
 
 
 I used shoutcast for a while, but quit for some time, and having tried
 
 it recently, it seems the links (those 'Tune In!' buttons) don't work.
 
 They open a blank window, and the status bar says done.

That's strange. Do you have a helper application set for the mime type
audio/x-scpls? If not, maybe you could try setting one. xmms perhaps.

Bill

Bill

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Re: Gentoo problem compiling modules

2003-09-11 Thread Collins Richey
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 18:40:39 -0500
Alan Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 10:50:37 -0700
 Condon Thomas A KPWA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Alan Jackson wrote:
   I installed Gentoo a week ago, and it has mostly been quite
   smooth.
   
   However some, but not all, of my modules missed getting
   compiled. In particular, usb/printer doesn't seem to want to
   compile. I ran make modules_install
   and it didn't help. I get no errors, I just don't get a
   printer.o file created. Any suggestions?
  
  Did you run make modules first?
  
 
 Yes.
 
 I'm closer to the problem, though. For some reason, in my 
 /etc/kernels/default_config
 the usb printer is disabled. I tried editing this file and
 recompiling, but that doesn't do it. What command does
 gentoo expect for me to update whatever file knows which
 modules to compile?
 

The normal action (for me) is 

1) make menuconfig
scroll to the bottom of the choices and load your existing config
make your changes
scroll to the bottom again and save your config where you got it
from.
Save your actual .config on exit

2) make dep  make bzImage  make modules  make modules_install

3) Copy your new arch/i386/boot/bzImage to /boot under a new name
Copy your new System.map to /boot under a new name
remake your link for /boot/System.map

4) make appropriate changes to lilo or grub.

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Re: Gentoo problem compiling modules

2003-09-11 Thread Brett I. Holcomb
You can edit .config but I wouldn't recommend it.  Simply answer just the 
questions you need.  The config file has what your current setup is.  If 
you want to add the printer that's all you have to modify.  When you add 
other stuff you just answer the questions that pertain to that item.

Alan Jackson wrote:

 On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:04:41 -0400
 Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Did you use makeconfig to define whatever it takes to make the module
 compile?
 
 Alan Jackson wrote:
 
  I installed Gentoo a week ago, and it has mostly been quite smooth.
  
  However some, but not all, of my modules missed getting compiled.
  In particular, usb/printer doesn't seem to want to compile. I ran
  make modules_install
  and it didn't help. I get no errors, I just don't get a
  printer.o file created. Any suggestions?
  
  This is making it hard for me to print!
  
 
 
 Thanks!
 
 What it took was
 make config
 make dep
 make modules
 
 Is there a file I could edit instead of running make config? It has *way*
 too many questions!
 
 

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Re: Gentoo problem compiling modules

2003-09-11 Thread Alan Jackson
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:50:07 -0600
Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:02:09 -0500
 Alan Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I installed Gentoo a week ago, and it has mostly been quite smooth.
  
  However some, but not all, of my modules missed getting compiled.
  In particular, usb/printer doesn't seem to want to compile. I ran 
  make modules_install 
  and it didn't help. I get no errors, I just don't get a
  printer.o file created. Any suggestions?
  
  This is making it hard for me to print!
  
 
 Never heard of this.  Which of the many kernel offerings on gentoo are
 you using?  Have you tried with the plain vanilla kernel?  You mentioned
 make modules_install.  Did you do make modules first?

I got the gentoo CD and followed the directions for a stage 3 install
with a vanilla kernel. Nothing fancy. Going through make config I see
that, curiously, the default for usb printers is no. I'm pretty sure
the standard install never gave me an opportunity to tell it to compile
that module. Or maybe I just missed it.


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Re: SCO speaks the truth

2003-09-11 Thread Collins Richey
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:49:15 -0500
Alma J Wetzker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Darl explains his open letter to the OSS community.
 
 http://computerworld.com/newsletter/0,4902,84819,00.html?nlid=PM
 
 My take on it is that he isn't telling us which code is infringing 
 because he doesn't want it removed.  What he wants is a revenue stream
 
 from linux sales.  Check it out, straight from the horses mouth?.
 

This particular horse appears to be unique - an a**hole at both ends.

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Re: SCO speaks the truth

2003-09-11 Thread Ben Duncan
LOL .. welll DUHHH ... of course he does ..

BUT, trying to to be one whom does not subscribe to conspiracy theories,
you must ask, Exactly WHO does this sound like?, and WHO has maintained
(and whined) about free software, and in MUCH the same way?
Alma J Wetzker wrote:
Darl explains his open letter to the OSS community.

http://computerworld.com/newsletter/0,4902,84819,00.html?nlid=PM

My take on it is that he isn't telling us which code is infringing 
because he doesn't want it removed.  What he wants is a revenue stream 
from linux sales.  Check it out, straight from the horses mouth?.

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Re: net radio

2003-09-11 Thread Collins Richey
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:47:37 -0400
Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thursday 11 September 2003 4:30 pm, someone claiming to be Ken
 Moffat wrote:
  Bill Davidson wrote:
  On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 09:42:13 -0700
  
  Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Anyone found good sources of internet radio that work in mozilla?
  Many
  that I have tried use a url including playlist=... which opens
  to ablank window.
  
  http://www.shoutcast.com
  
  Bill
 
  I used shoutcast for a while, but quit for some time, and having
  tried it recently, it seems the links (those 'Tune In!' buttons)
  don't work. They open a blank window, and the status bar says done.
 
 Perhaps you have some file association problem with Mozilla trying to
 open the stream with the wrong app. Try renaming .mozilla to a backup
 location (with Moz closed, of course) and see if it clears up the
 problem.
 

Or, you can install the extension What They Left Out, and then you can
edit the MIME associations.

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Re: Gentoo problem compiling modules

2003-09-11 Thread Collins Richey
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 20:52:17 -0500
Alan Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:04:41 -0400
 Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Did you use makeconfig to define whatever it takes to make the
  module compile?
  
  Alan Jackson wrote:
  
   I installed Gentoo a week ago, and it has mostly been quite
   smooth.
   
   However some, but not all, of my modules missed getting
   compiled. In particular, usb/printer doesn't seem to want to
   compile. I ran make modules_install
   and it didn't help. I get no errors, I just don't get a
   printer.o file created. Any suggestions?
   
   This is making it hard for me to print!
   
  
 
 Thanks!
 
 What it took was
 make config
 make dep
 make modules
 
 Is there a file I could edit instead of running make config? It has
 *way* too many questions!
 

Read my previous post a little more carefully, but then maybe I was too
cryptic.  make menuconfig allows you to reload a config that you have
saved, then make a few changes, then save your changes under your
preferred name, then save the .config for make dep ...

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Re: Gentoo problem compiling modules

2003-09-11 Thread Collins Richey
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:05:37 -0500
Alan Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:50:07 -0600
 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 22:02:09 -0500
  Alan Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I installed Gentoo a week ago, and it has mostly been quite
   smooth.
   
   However some, but not all, of my modules missed getting
   compiled. In particular, usb/printer doesn't seem to want to
   compile. I ran make modules_install 
   and it didn't help. I get no errors, I just don't get a
   printer.o file created. Any suggestions?
   
   This is making it hard for me to print!
   
  
  Never heard of this.  Which of the many kernel offerings on gentoo
  are you using?  Have you tried with the plain vanilla kernel?  You
  mentioned make modules_install.  Did you do make modules first?
 
 I got the gentoo CD and followed the directions for a stage 3 install
 with a vanilla kernel. Nothing fancy. Going through make config I see
 that, curiously, the default for usb printers is no. I'm pretty sure
 the standard install never gave me an opportunity to tell it to
 compile that module. Or maybe I just missed it.
 
 

It's a long story.  Basically, the gentoo distro presumes a lot of
knowledge on your part, most especially with respect to building a
kernel.  Perhaps they will offer pre-built kernels some day.

Once you've gone through the procedure of building a kernel once or
twice, you'll get the picture.

Just keep asking questions.  Building a kernel is a learned activity;
none of us were born with that knowledge.

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Re: net radio

2003-09-11 Thread Ted Ozolins
Bill Davidson wrote:

That's strange. Do you have a helper application set for the mime type
audio/x-scpls? If not, maybe you could try setting one. xmms perhaps.
I found on my installation of mozilla audio/x-scpls had no entry in 
extensions. Once I added pls as an extensions all works just fine.
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Re: net radio

2003-09-11 Thread Ken Moffat
Bruce Marshall wrote:

On Thursday 11 September 2003 16:30 pm, Ken Moffat wrote:
 

Bill Davidson wrote:
   

On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 09:42:13 -0700

Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

Anyone found good sources of internet radio that work in mozilla?
Many
that I have tried use a url including playlist=... which opens to
a blank window.
   

http://www.shoutcast.com

Bill
 

I used shoutcast for a while, but quit for some time, and having tried
it recently, it seems the links (those 'Tune In!' buttons) don't work.
They open a blank window, and the status bar says done.
   

Worked fine today under Konqueror..



 

works for me under konqueror also, but not moz-1.4. I have set up the 
audio/x-scpls type with pls extension, but no dice. Even when I check 
'ask what to do' it opens a blank window.

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OT Opengroupware

2003-09-11 Thread Wil McGilvery
Has anyone tried to use Opengroupware?

Any comments?

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Re: no mail?

2003-09-11 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth Bob Hemus:
 Doug, is the users' mail down or did my fp-linux-ws make you disappear?

What's a fp-linux-ws?

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Re: Server question

2003-09-11 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth Condon Thomas A KPWA:
 
 I'm moving a server to a remote location where it will have a dedicated IP
 and higher bandwidth to serve several websites.
 
 My current plans include only the following services on this server:
 Apache
 SSH
 iptables
 Shorewall
 
 The firewall will be provided by iptables, with help administering from
 Shorewall (I don't have time to learn iptables).
 SSH will allow secure remote access for administration.
 Apache will serve the web pages.
 
 Anyone care to suggest what I've left out?

SSL? Mail? Backup? Log analysis tools (ModLogAn, Webalizer)?

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Re: OT Opengroupware

2003-09-11 Thread ronnie gauthier
I've considered looking at it but so far phpProjekt is working great for me.

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Re: OT Opengroupware

Has anyone tried to use Opengroupware?

Any comments?

Regards,

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Audio, link over IP with Linux

2003-09-11 Thread Shawn Tayler
Hi Guys,

Is there a simple way to transfer audio over IP using Linux?  I'm looking
to send a 4 wire, thats balanced audio in each direction from one PC to
another, the audio interface will be external.  Each PC will be on a static
IP and on a private LAN.  The audio at one PC will be directly sent to the
other and visa-versa.  If the PC's are on I want the audio to be sent both
directions.

Seems easy, just curious if it is

Shawn
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Re: OT Wind River dropping BSD

2003-09-11 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth Harry Giles:
 http://www.bsdnewsletter.com/2003/09/News105.html
 
 Bummer.

Bummer, indeed. If I could persuade them to drop the $995.00 price
somewhat, I'd pop for a copy. The source code license is another
$1200, though. Ouch.

Kurt
-- 
Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology:
There's always one more bug.
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Re: linus to darl: huh?

2003-09-11 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth dep:
 http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,84782,00.html?nas=AM-84782

I want some of what Darl's been taking.

Kurt
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Economists can certainly disappoint you.  One said that the economy
would turn up by the last quarter.  Well, I'm down to mine and it
hasn't.
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