Re: StarOffice 7 user question
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:35:23 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just tried to time the starts on three machines. The older version of Star Office (6.0) let me count to 15 (one one thousand, two one thousand, etc) before it was started on a 1 gig duron with 256meg. SO 5.2 on an .8 gig Athlon and 770 megs took so long I thought it wasn't going to start (got to over 20 counting before I gave up counting, but it finally started, maybe in 25 secs.) On a 1 gig duron with 650megs SO 7.0 started up by the time I got to 5. So, startup time is reduced by 66% in my tests, which I consider official and final. I can't compare SO 6 and SO 7 on the same machine because SO 7 removed SO 6 when it was installed. The improvements are similar with OO. I run an AthlonXP 1800+ with 512M. Earlier versions of OO took 20+ seconds to initialize. OO 1.1.0 takes 5.5 seconds on initial startup, 3.5 seconds on subsequent startups. On prior versions, there was a substantial difference between source-compiled code (10+ hours and 5 Gig temporary space, ouch) and binary code from OO, but this is less noticeable now that OO has cleaned up their code. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: another warm fuzzy from M$
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 10:23 pm, Collins Richey wrote: Slashdot: Experiences w/ Drive Imaging Software? Microsoft supplies no method of backing up and restoring fully operational copies of Windows 2000 and Windows XP. Microsoft's advice is to reinstall the operating system and all programs every time you want to move to a new or backup computer. I read that twice before I realized they weren't joking. Makes you want to run out and buy an XP machine right now grin. Was the user restricting the discussion to backup software that comes with Windows? If not, Norton Ghost should do the trick. Also, for those who haven't looked at Ghost recently, Ghost 2003 supports ext2/3. You'll need to bootup from a Ghost floppy; but instructions for creating the floppy are included in the product. g4u (Ghost for Unix) is good; but doesn't support laptops. Andrew Gould ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Fedora getting some bad reviews
The first couple of reviews of Fedora were pretty fawning, but others are starting to show up. Here's an example: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=5111 Gives the impression that Fedora needed more time in the oven. Which isn't fatal. RH9 works great and it's no hardship to stick with it for a while. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: another warm fuzzy from M$
IIRC, doesn't WinBlows XP only allow 3 reinstalls before you have to buy another license? OTOH, I have had no problem backing up and restoring 2K using Drive Image. I'd like to do the same thing with a Linux product/App sometime, recommendations? Shawn On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:23:34 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] professed: Microsoft supplies no method of backing up and restoring fully operational copies of Windows 2000 and Windows XP. Microsoft's advice is to reinstall the operating system and all programs every time you want to move to a new or backup computer. I read that twice before I realized they weren't joking. Makes you want to run out and buy an XP machine right now grin. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: StarOffice 7 user question
On SuSE, I have been using the OO pre-loader, or whatever it is called. It does make loading faster. Odd that this seems not to be part of the SO 7 offering from Sun. At least not as an accessible item, as it is with OO. On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:42:01 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The improvements are similar with OO. I run an AthlonXP 1800+ with 512M. Earlier versions of OO took 20+ seconds to initialize. OO 1.1.0 takes 5.5 seconds on initial startup, 3.5 seconds on subsequent startups. On prior versions, there was a substantial difference between source-compiled code (10+ hours and 5 Gig temporary space, ouch) and binary code from OO, but this is less noticeable now that OO has cleaned up their code. -- ++···+ · Roger Oberholtzer · E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]· · OPQ Systems AB · WWW: http://www.opq.se/ · · Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 ·Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 · · 115 34 Stockholm · Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 · · Sweden · Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 · ++···+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE Linux 9.0 Professional Update - night 1 ot
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:50:58 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the classic (unknown origin): The optimist believes that we live in the best of all possible worlds; the pessimist believes that this is true. Or my favorite: A man has two sons, an optimist and a pessimist. For Christmas he gives the pessimist a bright shiny new bicycle. The pessimist scowls - it will probably break or get stolen or I'll scrape my knee. He gives the optimist a sack of horse turds. The optomist grins from ear to ear - I know there's a pony here somewhere. The saddest definition of a cynic I've come across (can't remember the derivation at the moment, sorry) is: A cynic is a frustrated romantic I've used that to effect when being accused of being cynical. As for being a pessimist, I always maintain that pessimism is fine because even when you're wrong, it's a good thing! Terence ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: StarOffice 7 user question
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:35:23 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just tried to time the starts on three machines. The older version of Star Office (6.0) let me count to 15 (one one thousand, two one thousand, etc) before it was started on a 1 gig duron with 256meg. SO 5.2 on an .8 gig Athlon and 770 megs took so long I thought it wasn't going to start (got to over 20 counting before I gave up counting, but it finally started, maybe in 25 secs.) On a 1 gig duron with 650megs SO 7.0 started up by the time I got to 5. So, startup time is reduced by 66% in my tests, which I consider official and final. I can't compare SO 6 and SO 7 on the same machine because SO 7 removed SO 6 when it was installed. So each machine was a different one? I see that you have more RAM than my machine. Perhaps this is the problem. This is embarrassing, but I don't recall if the machine has 256 or 512 MB. I will check. Still, it has tons of swap. But if it is using that, it takes time. Are these running KDE or GNOME or some other that perhaps leaves more RAM for other apps? -- ++···+ · Roger Oberholtzer · E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]· · OPQ Systems AB · WWW: http://www.opq.se/ · · Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 ·Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 · · 115 34 Stockholm · Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 · · Sweden · Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 · ++···+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spamassassin's sa-learn
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:47:21 -0600 Alan Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:09:16 +0800 M.W. Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: have you ever toyed with the Bayesian learner? I wonder where SA stores her rules. It's not *really* Bayesian - I don't think any of them are. They all ignore the cross-correlation. That is, they don't correct for the fact that enlarge and p...s frequently occur together, and sum the probabilities. To do it right is hard. Most of the e-mail that gets to me uses . scattered throughout the text. Like th.is so the fi.lte.rs don't see th.is as a co.mple.te wor.d. They need to remove the . sprinkled throughout the text. I used to run a Bayesian filter at work, until they disabled Unix e-mail at the end of October, and it worked fairly well. At home I run a homebrew. First I run a whitelist of known good addresses, then I look for e-mail lists, then spamassassin, and then I run my UniqIP filter. I keep a little database of every IP I have seen in the handoff to my ISPs, and if I have never seen it before, I drop it into a special folder. I also note spam IP's in the database as well. About 95% of my spam currently comes from unique IP's. Apparently the blacklists are effective enough that the big time spammers now use a Hedy Lamar style multiplexing technology, and blast small loads from many compromised systems. Some use much lower technology strategies like this one (an e-mail I received): /* begin e-mail: Hello, I need 2 dedicated windows 2000 servers with at least 2,000 ip addresses. These servers will be used to run my email campaign and send bulk email in direct mode with my own optin mailing software. If you are in a position, and have a dedicated network setup to deal with the complaints generated from my email advertising I would be willing to pay $2,000 a month for the 2 servers. I need a reliable provider to set me up immediately. If you can offer me such service please call me at: xxx-xxx-xxx, Leave me a message and I will get back to you right away. Please dont reply back to this email, only call me. Thanks Bob end e-mail */ There are probably stupid ISPs out there that will do this. Can't believe he only offered a measley 2k/month. For this kind of headache, I'd need a couple more zeroes added to that number. Wonder if he got any takers? I'm also working on a spam detector utilizing DNA sequencing technology. Seriously! Start by sequencing lower life forms, since that's what spammers seem to be. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. Nemesis Racing Team motto GPG key autoresponder: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: SUSE Linux 9.0 Professional Update - night 1 ot
And the classic (unknown origin): The optimist believes that we live in the best of all possible worlds; the pessimist believes that this is true. The saddest definition of a cynic I've come across (can't remember the derivation at the moment, sorry) is: A cynic is a frustrated romantic I've used that to effect when being accused of being cynical. As for being a pessimist, I always maintain that pessimism is fine because even when you're wrong, it's a good thing! I've often said that my wife is gullible pessimist, while I am a cynical optimist, so between us we have all the bases covered. She believes what she is told but expects things to go wrong. I believe that everyone is good, but don't expect them to behave that way. But I like the engineer: The Optimist thinks the glass if half full, The Pessimist thinks the glass is half empty, The Engineer thinks the glass is twice as large as it needs to be! In Harmony's Way and In A Chord, Tom ;-}) Tom Condon Registered Linux User #154358 Plain Text Emails Don't Spread Virii! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: another warm fuzzy from M$
Collins Richey wrote: Slashdot: Experiences w/ Drive Imaging Software? Microsoft supplies no method of backing up and restoring fully operational copies of Windows 2000 and Windows XP. Microsoft's advice is to reinstall the operating system and all programs every time you want to move to a new or backup computer. I read that twice before I realized they weren't joking. Makes you want to run out and buy an XP machine right now grin. Don't they charge you every time you put it on another box? Isn't this unbridled free enterprise at its best? Bob ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: another warm fuzzy from M$
Well, now that you ask, yes they do as a matter of fact ;) (But it can be from the same copy, or ghosted.) -Original Message- From: Bob Hemus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: another warm fuzzy from M$ Collins Richey wrote: Slashdot: Experiences w/ Drive Imaging Software? Microsoft supplies no method of backing up and restoring fully operational copies of Windows 2000 and Windows XP. Microsoft's advice is to reinstall the operating system and all programs every time you want to move to a new or backup computer. I read that twice before I realized they weren't joking. Makes you want to run out and buy an XP machine right now grin. Don't they charge you every time you put it on another box? Isn't this unbridled free enterprise at its best? Bob ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Fw: SCO Partner News - November 2003 - Opportunities for Partners
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Re: Fedora getting some bad reviews
Collins Richey wrote: If my memory serves me correctly, fedora is using the same philosophy that RH used in the past. RH releases (at least until very recently) have always needed more time in the oven. In the past that was true of RH in my experience, but since about 7.1 their releases have all been very stable. RH9 is terrific. Course, Fedora isn't RH - that's the official line anyway. This is one reason I prefer the gentoo model - incremental releases (that usually aren't too painful) over a long period. Unlike the RH approach, gentoo doesn't mark a new compiler release as stable for common use until most all packages work with the new compiler. Yes; there are some definite advantages. Disadvantages too. In theory Fedora is somewhat more geared toward an incremental model (faster releases with incremental updates along the way). I suppose we will just have to wait and see what becomes of our favorite distro. Do any of those alternative dictionaries say that patience is a four-letter word? :-) Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fedora getting some bad reviews
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Collins Richey wrote: This is one reason I prefer the gentoo model - incremental releases (that usually aren't too painful) over a long period. Unlike the RH approach, gentoo doesn't mark a new compiler release as stable for common use until most all packages work with the new compiler. I assume you're referring to the gcc-2.96 debacle with RH-7.0. That's ancient history, especially seeing as how gentoo didn't even exist at the time. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fedora getting some bad reviews
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:03:00 -0600 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: If my memory serves me correctly, fedora is using the same philosophy that RH used in the past. RH releases (at least until very recently) have always needed more time in the oven. In the past that was true of RH in my experience, but since about 7.1 their releases have all been very stable. RH9 is terrific. Course, Fedora isn't RH - that's the official line anyway. This is one reason I prefer the gentoo model - incremental releases (that usually aren't too painful) over a long period. Unlike the RH approach, gentoo doesn't mark a new compiler release as stable for common use until most all packages work with the new compiler. Yes; there are some definite advantages. Disadvantages too. In theory Fedora is somewhat more geared toward an incremental model (faster releases with incremental updates along the way). I suppose we will just have to wait and see what becomes of our favorite distro. Do any of those alternative dictionaries say that patience is a four-letter word? :-) Yeah, and I definitely don't have the four-letter-word it takes to wade through 400+ postings a day on the fedora-users list to keep current! Silly me, I thought the gentoo-users group was a firehose. And the one missing element in RH-centric distros is a common repository of RPMs for anything outside the core products. I've gotten spoiled by the gentoo repository. Given the size of their CD set, I would presume that SuSE is much better than RH in this respect. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fedora getting some bad reviews
On 11/13/2003 2:19 PM, I believe that Collins Richey wrote: snip And the one missing element in RH-centric distros is a common repository of RPMs for anything outside the core products. I've gotten spoiled by the gentoo repository. Given the size of their CD set, I would presume that SuSE is much better than RH in this respect. livna.org and freshrpms.net are two decent repositories for Fedora/RedHat. So far, with limited use, I *like* Fedora Core 1. Regards, Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE Linux 9.0 Professional Update - night 1
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:56 pm, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Wednesday 12 November 2003 15:34 pm, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: Has anyone done an update to an existing 8.2 system? Or will I be in a bad mood tomorrow evening? I don't do updates anymore... just new installs but no one over on the SUSE list has had any real problems with an update. Most go just flawlessly and the others may have a niggle or two. How do the existing distros compare regarding upgrades of 1. the core system? 2. applications external to the core system? Andrew Gould ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: SUSE Linux 9.0 Professional Update - night 1
How do the existing distros compare regarding upgrades of 1. the core system? 2. applications external to the core system? SuSE has an online update utility (through YAST) that will check for updates to any program you have installed and download and include them. It does dependency checking, so if something major has changed you get everything needed to make the system work. I've used it regularly with no problems. OK, that isn't *quite* true. I didn't use it at first, then there was too large a list to do all at once so I had to manually select those I wanted from the list it provided and do the updates in three pieces. Other than that it is quite painless and hasn't ever caused me any problems (nothing broke). Works for both core and applications (if SuSE updates the package it gets an update for the online update). In Harmony's Way and In A Chord, Tom ;-}) Tom Condon Registered Linux User #154358 Plain Text Emails Don't Spread Virii! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
FW: [EmperorLinux-os-RedHat] do not use : GLIBC update packages ( from Red Hat Network)
Folks, Since we've been talking about updates, I got this today from the Emperor Linux folks, who installed RH on a couple of work laptops. -Original Message- Customers running Red Hat 9.0, Red Hat has recently released a badly broken automatic update of GLIBC and nptl onto their Red Hat Network (RHN) service. Please _DO_NOT_ download this update onto your system, nor any other associated updates. We have received quite a few reports already from our customers that the GLIBC update has broken their RH9 systems. Symptoms include: - Inability to log in to X with Gnome - Can't startx if gnome is your WM - rpm broken (can't open pkg database) - breaks anything useing gthread-posix.c / pthread_getschedparam I installed the glibc, nscd, and nptl-devel stuff all using redhat network. At that point, things started going wrong. rpm would no longer work. I tried a reboot, and was then no longer able to log in via X except via a failsafe mode. (Both failsafe and console still worked, although even in those logins rpm was still broken.) At this time we are working for a fix for these problems. The final fix should probably come from Red Hat, but that may take some time. We will try to get this fixed as soon as possible. It appears that KDE is unaffected (so you can still get into your system to work). -- Lincoln In Harmony's Way and In A Chord, Tom ;-}) Tom Condon Registered Linux User #154358 Plain Text Emails Don't Spread Virii! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: FW: [EmperorLinux-os-RedHat] do not use : GLIBC update packages ( from Red Hat Network)
I can vouch for this. My RH9 box is trashed as a result. On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote: Folks, Since we've been talking about updates, I got this today from the Emperor Linux folks, who installed RH on a couple of work laptops. -Original Message- Customers running Red Hat 9.0, Red Hat has recently released a badly broken automatic update of GLIBC and nptl onto their Red Hat Network (RHN) service. Please _DO_NOT_ download this update onto your system, nor any other associated updates. We have received quite a few reports already from our customers that the GLIBC update has broken their RH9 systems. Symptoms include: - Inability to log in to X with Gnome - Can't startx if gnome is your WM - rpm broken (can't open pkg database) - breaks anything useing gthread-posix.c / pthread_getschedparam I installed the glibc, nscd, and nptl-devel stuff all using redhat network. At that point, things started going wrong. rpm would no longer work. I tried a reboot, and was then no longer able to log in via X except via a failsafe mode. (Both failsafe and console still worked, although even in those logins rpm was still broken.) At this time we are working for a fix for these problems. The final fix should probably come from Red Hat, but that may take some time. We will try to get this fixed as soon as possible. It appears that KDE is unaffected (so you can still get into your system to work). -- Lincoln In Harmony's Way and In A Chord, Tom ;-}) Tom Condon Registered Linux User #154358 Plain Text Emails Don't Spread Virii! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE Linux 9.0 Professional Update - night 1
On Thursday 13 November 2003 02:27 pm, Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote: How do the existing distros compare regarding upgrades of 1. the core system? 2. applications external to the core system? SuSE has an online update utility (through YAST) that will check for updates to any program you have installed and download and include them. It does dependency checking, so if something major has changed you get everything needed to make the system work. I've used it regularly with no problems. OK, that isn't *quite* true. I didn't use it at first, then there was too large a list to do all at once so I had to manually select those I wanted from the list it provided and do the updates in three pieces. Other than that it is quite painless and hasn't ever caused me any problems (nothing broke). Works for both core and applications (if SuSE updates the package it gets an update for the online update). In Harmony's Way and In A Chord, Tom ;-}) To clarify: I'm wondering how the distributions compare as to upgrading from one release to the next, rather than updates to the current release. We've had one person state that SUSE's upgrade process hasn't worked well, historically. How about Mandrake and Slackware? RedHat's is a moot point; but what are Fedora's plans? I think Gentoo and Debian can upgrade themselves without release cd's; but how much breakage occurs in the process? Except for Dep's articles on upgrading SUSE, which were enough to keep me from trying (Thank you, Dep.), this isn't an issue that has gotten much press. Andrew Gould ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
PS/2 mouse support broken in 2.6.0-test9
Hey all, I just had an interesting go-round with my newly-upgraded workstation. I installed 2.6.0-test9 and found my mouse was behaving very strangely. It jumped around the screen a lot, and the mousewheel was inoperative. Nothing had changed except the kernel, so I dug into Google a bit and then reconfigured my kernel. Everything is now fine, but you may find this interesting. It appears that the new input layer in 2.6.x has broken existing PS/2 mouse setups. My mouse is actually USB, but since I had 'legacy USB support' enabled in BIOS and had compiled the PS/2 mouse driver into the kernel it was using the PS/2 driver. In order to return my mouse to normal I had to remove PS/2 and the USB Boot Protocol drivers from my kernel, replacing them with the Full HID and HID Input Layer drivers. I also compiled in the USB and UHCI drivers (rather than using modules), which fixed my no-usb-keyboard-on-softboot problems. So if you should happen to play with the new kernel, I recommend a USB mouse. Hopefully they'll fix this before long, but you wanted a new mouse anyway, right? ;) ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fedora getting some bad reviews
On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 20:19, Collins Richey wrote: And the one missing element in RH-centric distros is a common repository of RPMs for anything outside the core products. I've gotten spoiled by the gentoo repository. Given the size of their CD set, I would presume that SuSE is much better than RH in this respect. And SuSE have improved. I first tried 7.2. Damn but there were alot of packages. However, quite a few did not run. Many simply dumped core. Or the silent Linux equivalent. I tried again with 8.2, and there are still a ton of applications. But most now seem to work (same hardware). I have just started with SuSE 9, and it also seems solid. The only bad thing I have experienced is that updating from 8.2 to 9 does not work. There is an rpm (filesystem or some such thing) which rpm's cpio claimed was trying to install /usr/lib/X11 as a file, when it is already a directory. Hosed the system. I tried the recovery mode, which looked promising. Ended up doing a clean install. That is what I would normally do in a production system anyway. That aside, so far so good. Tomorrow we start our product testing on it. Hope the network holds up... -- Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE Linux 9.0 Professional Update - night 1
On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 22:09, Andrew L. Gould wrote: I think Gentoo and Debian can upgrade themselves without release cd's; but how much breakage occurs in the process? I have never had breakage in Gentoo. The incremental approach makes it better, I think. I do recall a problem with a glibc update on Gentoo that hosed some systems. That was before my Gentoo days. In the almost 2 years I have used Gentoo, the system has never barfed. I only install stable releases (95% true). -- Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE Linux 9.0 Professional Update - night 1
On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 21:03, Andrew L. Gould wrote: On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:56 pm, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Wednesday 12 November 2003 15:34 pm, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: Has anyone done an update to an existing 8.2 system? Or will I be in a bad mood tomorrow evening? I don't do updates anymore... just new installs but no one over on the SUSE list has had any real problems with an update. Most go just flawlessly and the others may have a niggle or two. How do the existing distros compare regarding upgrades of 1. the core system? 2. applications external to the core system? SuSE will update those that there are updates for, as well as remove those that are no longer supported. It will also backup everything it changes. I have not tried that. But it offered to do so. You have total control over which packages are treated which way. I think SuSE, at least, are decently recent with the versions of software. At least the stuff I use. They even included a 2.6 kernel that you can install and play with. It's on my list. Still, I am a Gentoo fan at heart. I don't have the time to make a Gentoo-based distro that I can install on all production systems. So SuSE fits in there. But at home, it is Gentoo all the way! -- Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: FW: [EmperorLinux-os-RedHat] do not use : GLIBC update packages ( from Red Hat Network)
For once I'm glad I procrastinated about installing a security update. Thanks, Michael Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote: Folks, Since we've been talking about updates, I got this today from the Emperor Linux folks, who installed RH on a couple of work laptops. -Original Message- Customers running Red Hat 9.0, Red Hat has recently released a badly broken automatic update of GLIBC and nptl onto their Red Hat Network (RHN) service. Please _DO_NOT_ download this update onto your system, nor any other associated updates. We have received quite a few reports already from our customers that the GLIBC update has broken their RH9 systems. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE Linux 9.0 Professional Update - night 1
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:43:37 +0100 Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 22:09, Andrew L. Gould wrote: I think Gentoo and Debian can upgrade themselves without release cd's; but how much breakage occurs in the process? I have never had breakage in Gentoo. The incremental approach makes it better, I think. I do recall a problem with a glibc update on Gentoo that hosed some systems. That was before my Gentoo days. In the almost 2 years I have used Gentoo, the system has never barfed. I only install stable releases (95% true). I've been using gentoo for a lot longer than that. There are occasional rough spots even on the stable release. The beauty with gentoo is that critical bugs get fixed rapidly. If you do as I do, let recommended upgrades age a week or two, you almost never encounter problems. Most of the problems are with new kde/gnome releases (always buggy). Since I don't use either on a regular basis, new releases are not critical for my system. With the complex interrelationships of software, no one can get it 100% right; someone always has the right combination of software to break things, even those things that have been thoroughly tested. Your alternative is the Debian approach, where nothing is declared stable until its too old to be of current interest and operational on every architecture that debian supports. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Commas in 'c' printf
It's been a long time since I programmed anything with financial-style numbers in c, but I thought there was a printf option to put commas in the numbers so you get 1,234,567 instead of the hard-to-read 1234567. Is there a simple c way to do this or do I have to write it? Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: FW: [EmperorLinux-os-RedHat] do not use : GLIBC update packages ( from Red Hat Network)
Redhat did re-release the packages about an hour ago. Fixed my problems on RH9. On 11/13/03 14:32, Michael Hipp wrote: For once I'm glad I procrastinated about installing a security update. Thanks, Michael Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote: Folks, Since we've been talking about updates, I got this today from the Emperor Linux folks, who installed RH on a couple of work laptops. -Original Message- Customers running Red Hat 9.0, Red Hat has recently released a badly broken automatic update of GLIBC and nptl onto their Red Hat Network (RHN) service. Please _DO_NOT_ download this update onto your system, nor any other associated updates. We have received quite a few reports already from our customers that the GLIBC update has broken their RH9 systems. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 3:30pm up 14:17, 2 users, load average: 0.18, 0.27, 0.51 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: FW: [EmperorLinux-os-RedHat] do not use : GLIBC update packages ( from Red Hat Network)
Net Llama! wrote: Redhat did re-release the packages about an hour ago. Fixed my problems on RH9. That's a pretty quick response. Kudos to 'em. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: FW: [EmperorLinux-os-RedHat] do not use : GLIBC update packages ( from Red Hat Network)
Consuming 2.3K bytes, Net Llama! blathered: I can vouch for this. My RH9 box is trashed as a result. [badly borken glibc] Whoops! Kurt -- Are you a turtle? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: FW: [EmperorLinux-os-RedHat] do not use : GLIBC update packages ( from Red Hat Network)
quoth Kurt Wall: | Consuming 2.3K bytes, Net Llama! blathered: | I can vouch for this. My RH9 box is trashed as a result. | | [badly borken glibc] | | Whoops! leave it to redhat. what was it last time? gcc-2.7.6 or something? -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
rms: i'm clueless, dammit!
http://www.forbes.com/2003/11/13/cz_dl_1113sco.html?partner=yahooreferrer= Stallman says the Boston-based Free Software Foundation, which he founded in 1985, has nothing to do with SCO's lawsuit. SCO is suing IBM for violating a contract. We don't even know what the contract said. In terms of the resolution of that lawsuit, the Free Software Foundation is entirely uninvolved, he says. Stallman's GNU/Linux operating system is not the target of SCO's suit. Linux, the program SCO is targeting, is not an operating system, but only the kernel of the GNU/Linux operating system, which could run using a different kernel. I am concerned about long-term entrenched confusions such as referring to a version of our GNU OS as 'Linux' and thinking that our work on free software was motivated by the ideas associated with 'open source.' These confusions lead users away from the basic issue: their freedom. By comparison, the events involving SCO are transitory and almost trivial, Stallman says. -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: FW: [EmperorLinux-os-RedHat] do not use : GLIBC update packages ( from Red Hat Network)
On 11/13/03 17:04, dep wrote: quoth Kurt Wall: | Consuming 2.3K bytes, Net Llama! blathered: | I can vouch for this. My RH9 box is trashed as a result. | | [badly borken glibc] | | Whoops! leave it to redhat. what was it last time? gcc-2.7.6 or something? What last time? Let's not play revisionist historians, ok? -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 5:10pm up 15:57, 1 user, load average: 0.17, 0.30, 0.46 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Commas in 'c' printf
Consuming 0.5K bytes, Michael Hipp blathered:
It's been a long time since I programmed anything with financial-style
numbers in c, but I thought there was a printf option to put commas in
the numbers so you get 1,234,567 instead of the hard-to-read 1234567.
Is there a simple c way to do this or do I have to write it?
You mean something like:
#include stdio.h
#include locale.h
int main(void)
{
char *locale;
locale = setlocale(LC_NUMERIC, en_US.iso88591);
if (locale == NULL) {
perror(setlocale);
} else {
printf(%'d\n, 12345);
setlocale(LC_NUMERIC, locale);
}
return 0;
}
$ ./a.out
12,345
$
See setlocale(3), printf(3), locale(1), locale(5), and locale(7).
Note that the single quote between % and d is correct...
Kurt
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Re: rms: i'm clueless, dammit!
Consuming 1.3K bytes, dep blathered: http://www.forbes.com/2003/11/13/cz_dl_1113sco.html?partner=yahooreferrer= My favorite part: Oddly enough, on Nov. 11, SCO Executive Vice President Christopher Sontag complained to Forbes about IBM's decision to send subpoenas to investors and analysts who supported SCO. Sontag called the move 'an attempt to bully and intimidate' and said IBM was engaged in 'legal gamesmanship.' So why didn't Sontag mention that, uh, SCO itself was about to target Torvalds and Stallman with subpoenas? SCO's spokesman says Sontag and Darl McBride, SCO's chief executive, did not know that SCO's lawyers were planning the move. But the 'Who's on first?' act is tough to swallow since it turns out SCO notified IBM of its plans to seek discovery from these parties more than a month ago, on Oct. 5. And SCO told the court about its plans at 4:34 P.M. on Nov. 11, only hours after Sontag spoke to Forbes. Kurt ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fedora getting some bad reviews
Actually, the review was no surprise to me. The writer was merely rehashing the same problems that I suspect many thousands of Red Hat users have encountered before --and fixed. It's just that the further you go from the Fedora/RH core functionality, the more problems you will have because of the bleeding edge stuff such as glibc and gcc in recent RH releases. Examples : - Java plug-in not working -- you'll need the JSDK or JRE compiled with gcc3.x. And if you're using the Java SDK, you'll need to add the LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 or LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 as an environment variable - Macromedia Flash -- the one on the Macromedia website didn't work for me, I had to get the one on the Rutgers University site - rpm crashes -- I've never used the graphical rpm package manager. Always used the command line. Yes, it does get corrupted from time to time, but it's easily fixed by deleting the *.db files and allowing rpm to rebuild them - nVIDIA drivers -- too bad she did not persevere. I have the drivers on my system and they make everything look so great ! Yes, even the fonts. RH9 is actually pretty good. Takes a fair amount of effort, but it can work quite nicely. There are a few things I like better about RH than Win2K running on my laptop (only for office use): 1. RH loads faster than Win2K, after I loaded a bazillion patches in Win2K -- 2 patches in the last 2 days ! 2. RH has crashed only once since I loaded it about 2 months ago -- it did not lock up, and only the X Server crashed 3. Most importantly, there is a bill proposed in Singapore's parliament to allow snooping software to be installed on all computers in Singapore to monitor activities. I don't think it would work on Linux systems. Unless and until they make it mandatory for all computers in Singapore to run Windows, they'll have to pry my Linux PC and my right to privacy from my cold dead hands ! Regards, pascal chong Collins Richey wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:06:47 -0600 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first couple of reviews of Fedora were pretty fawning, but others are starting to show up. Here's an example: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=5111 Gives the impression that Fedora needed more time in the oven. Which isn't fatal. RH9 works great and it's no hardship to stick with it for a while. If my memory serves me correctly, fedora is using the same philosophy that RH used in the past. RH releases (at least until very recently) have always needed more time in the oven. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fedora getting some bad reviews
Chong Yu Meng wrote: 3. Most importantly, there is a bill proposed in Singapore's parliament to allow snooping software to be installed on all computers in Singapore to monitor activities. I don't think it would work on Linux systems. Unless and until they make it mandatory for all computers in Singapore to run Windows, they'll have to pry my Linux PC and my right to privacy from my cold dead hands ! Oops! I misspoke ! Just read the full article : http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/singapore/story/0,4386,219807,00.html? Well, not snooping software, but certainly some surveillance of users. Regards, pascal chong ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fedora getting some bad reviews
Chong Yu Meng wrote: Oops! I misspoke ! Just read the full article : http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/singapore/story/0,4386,219807,00.html? Well, not snooping software, but certainly some surveillance of users. Oops, maybe not even that ... oh man, I must be getting paranoid in my middle-age ... ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE Linux 9.0 Professional Update - night 1
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 03:09:45PM -0600, Andrew L. Gould wrote: To clarify: I'm wondering how the distributions compare as to upgrading from one release to the next, rather than updates to the current release. We've had one person state that SUSE's upgrade process hasn't worked well, historically. How about Mandrake and Slackware? RedHat's is a moot point; but what are Fedora's plans? I think Gentoo and Debian can upgrade themselves without release cd's; but how much breakage occurs in the process? Except for Dep's articles on upgrading SUSE, which were enough to keep me from trying (Thank you, Dep.), this isn't an issue that has gotten much press. Andrew Gould I used a package called 'swaret' to upgrade from Slackware 9.0 = 9.1 and it went very smoothly. It's not an 'official' slackware package but it *is* avaliable in the Extras directory. Also, there is 'slapt-get' and 'emerde' out there; I haven't used either one but have heard Good Things(tm) about slapt-get. YMMV HTH HAND Myles -- Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED], Calgary, AB, Canada eh? Slackware-9.1 + CLI + Mutt-1.4.1i + Lynx|Links|eLinks With all that power, who needs a bloated GUI ?? Alberta Mirror for Linux-SxS.Org: http://linux-sxs.org/ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: FW: [EmperorLinux-os-RedHat] do not use : GLIBC update packages ( from Red Hat Network)
Consuming 0.8K bytes, Net Llama! blathered: On 11/13/03 17:04, dep wrote: quoth Kurt Wall: | Consuming 2.3K bytes, Net Llama! blathered: | I can vouch for this. My RH9 box is trashed as a result. | | [badly borken glibc] | | Whoops! leave it to redhat. what was it last time? gcc-2.7.6 or something? What last time? Let's not play revisionist historians, ok? Indeed. GCC 2.96; glibc 2.0.7; NPTL; problems running RPM on kernel 2.5. Shall I continue? Kurt -- It is better for civilization to be going down the drain than to be coming up it. -- Henry Allen ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
mailing lists are not working after server patching
Hi Our server is cobalt raq4r . Yesterday we have patched our server with the latest patch.. We have also patched the sendmail with the latest patch.. RaQ4-All-Security-2.0.1-16402.pkg RaQ4-All-Security-2.0.1-16429.pkg RaQ4-All-Security-2.0.1-16620.pkg But after upgrading , it seems all the Cobalt lists are mentioned under *aliases.majordomo*.. But whenevaer we are trying to send mail to the lists the following errors are coming... ___ Message from yahoo.com. Unable to deliver message to the following address(es). [EMAIL PROTECTED]: xxx.xxx.xx.x does not like recipient. Remote host said: 550 5.1.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... User unknown Giving up on xxx.xxx.xx.x. --- Original message follows. Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [151.204.192.135] by web60403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:51:57 PST Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:51:57 -0800 (PST) From: Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: test To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0-2085635092-1068774717=:12816 --0-2085635092-1068774717=:12816 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii testing _ Help is needed... Thanks in advance __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Commas in 'c' printf
Kurt Wall wrote: See setlocale(3), printf(3), locale(1), locale(5), and locale(7). Note that the single quote between % and d is correct... Thanks. My reference book doesn't tell about the single quote. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rms: i'm clueless, dammit!
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:10:33 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stallman's GNU/Linux operating system ... I am concerned about long-term entrenched confusions such as referring to a version of our GNU OS as 'Linux' RMS get stuffed! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rms: i'm clueless, dammit!
I guess he doesn't recognize that Linus had much to do with it. If it weren't for Linus nobody would be using any of the GNU tools because there wouldn't be anything to use them on G! I guess everything I've made with my Sears tools I need to label Sears/whatever i- i.e Sears/workbench, Sears/shelves. Collins Richey wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:10:33 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stallman's GNU/Linux operating system ... I am concerned about long-term entrenched confusions such as referring to a version of our GNU OS as 'Linux' RMS get stuffed! -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [EmperorLinux-os-RedHat] do not use : GLIBC update packages ( from Red Hat Network)
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:05:05 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consuming 0.8K bytes, Net Llama! blathered: On 11/13/03 17:04, dep wrote: quoth Kurt Wall: | Consuming 2.3K bytes, Net Llama! blathered: | I can vouch for this. My RH9 box is trashed as a result. | | [badly borken glibc] | | Whoops! leave it to redhat. what was it last time? gcc-2.7.6 or something? What last time? Let's not play revisionist historians, ok? Indeed. GCC 2.96; glibc 2.0.7; NPTL; problems running RPM on kernel 2.5. Shall I continue? I actually had fairly good results with fedora and RH7.3, but RH does have a few well recorded problems. Oh well, someone on the list used to fault me for my bleeding edge gentoo. Life has been pretty stable on the bleeding edge. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
gentoo news
Gentoo for PowerPC G5 now available Posted on 11 November 2003 by pvdabeel We're proud to announce the availability of the Gentoo for PowerPC G5 32-bit LiveCD. ISOs are now available on our main OSU mirror. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE Linux 9.0 Professional Update - night 1
HTH HAND What does HAND mean? -- James McDonald Systems Engineer Singleton NSW Australia ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rms: 'i'm clueless, dammit!'
quoth James McDonald: | But why is RMS so dogged about the distinction? he has that far-away look of the true believer, the staunch idealogue who is untroubled by minor details such as reality. -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rms: i'm clueless, dammit!
On Thursday 13 November 2003 10:26 pm, Collins Richey wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:10:33 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stallman's GNU/Linux operating system ... I am concerned about long-term entrenched confusions such as referring to a version of our GNU OS as 'Linux' RMS get stuffed! Aw... don't be bashful... tell us what you really think. :') -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net This email account no longers accepts attachments or messages containing html. 10:10pm up 44 days, 3:03, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rms: 'i'm clueless, dammit!'
I guess everything I've made with my Sears tools I need to label Sears/whatever i- i.e Sears/workbench, Sears/shelves. I like the above ... lol. Stallman's GNU/Linux operating system ... I am concerned about long-term entrenched confusions such as referring to a version of our GNU OS as 'Linux' RMS get stuffed! I think Richard Stallman is carrying a rather large wound in his pride because the hurd kernel has never taken off. Admittedly the tools GNU provides are critical to the functioning and construction of the Linux Kernel (please correct me if I'm wrong). But why is RMS so dogged about the distinction? -- James McDonald Systems Engineer Singleton NSW Australia ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [EmperorLinux-os-RedHat] do not use : GLIBC update packages ( from Red Hat Network)
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:05:05 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consuming 0.8K bytes, Net Llama! blathered: On 11/13/03 17:04, dep wrote: quoth Kurt Wall: | Consuming 2.3K bytes, Net Llama! blathered: | I can vouch for this. My RH9 box is trashed as a result. | | [badly borken glibc] | | Whoops! leave it to redhat. what was it last time? gcc-2.7.6 or something? What last time? Let's not play revisionist historians, ok? Indeed. GCC 2.96; glibc 2.0.7; NPTL; problems running RPM on kernel 2.5. Shall I continue? I'm curious. Until last year I had avoided RH like the plague. Were these glitches only for desktop users, or did they propagate all the fubars to their server releases as well? -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: gentoo news
The new G5s from Apple I'd love to have one -even with OS X on it. I understand they are awesome. My daughter's Powerbook G4 made me realize how good Apple stuff is! Collins Richey wrote: Gentoo for PowerPC G5 now available Posted on 11 November 2003 by pvdabeel We're proud to announce the availability of the Gentoo for PowerPC G5 32-bit LiveCD. ISOs are now available on our main OSU mirror. -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rms: i'm clueless, dammit!
Good analogy on the sears tools bit, but we do use a lot of the gnu tools on our solaris systems. And yes, rms does exhibit that far away look as dep describes. -jhb- From: Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess he doesn't recognize that Linus had much to do with it. If it weren't for Linus nobody would be using any of the GNU tools because there wouldn't be anything to use them on G! I guess everything I've made with my Sears tools I need to label Sears/whatever i- i.e Sears/workbench, Sears/shelves. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Commas in 'c' printf
Michael Hipp wrote: Kurt Wall wrote: See setlocale(3), printf(3), locale(1), locale(5), and locale(7). Note that the single quote between % and d is correct... Thanks. My reference book doesn't tell about the single quote. Ok, I should have looked at the man page for printf: -- The five flag characters above are defined in the C standard. The SUSv2 specifies one further flag character. ' For decimal conversion (i, d, u, f, F, g, G) the output is to be grouped with thousands' grouping characters if the locale information indicates any. Note that many versions of gcc cannot parse this option and will issue a warning. SUSv2 does not include %'F. instead of relying on my book: -- What is SUSv2? My book covers C99 which I thought was nearly the last word on the subject. I suppose I need to be more reliant on the electronic documentation even tho a book is so often more convenient. Thanks again, Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rms: 'i'm clueless, dammit!'
James McDonald wrote: I think Richard Stallman is carrying a rather large wound in his pride because the hurd kernel has never taken off. Admittedly the tools GNU provides are critical to the functioning and construction of the Linux Kernel (please correct me if I'm wrong). But why is RMS so dogged about the distinction? He seems to have long ago become a theologian instead of a practitioner. I'm glad for all the components that make up our Linux and OSS systems. Lose any major piece and it could set us back years. But Linux is a moniker that, for whatever reason, sells and has achieved unprecedented name recognition and mindshare. Why can't RMS leave well-enough alone? And he better wake up, IMHO, and realize that GNU and the GPL are very much on the table in this SCO debacle. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
