Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 07 December 2002 7:45 pm, R. Quenett wrote: from dep: led to the current miserable situation. here in the east, we have similar in the form of those who think it is somehow better to let tens of thousands of deer starve to death than it is to shoot and eat the things. Has nothing to do with deer or grass or trees etc etc. They're just the excuse. Fact is, it's a control issue, pure and simple. And the last issue is why some geeks, hackers and just plain end users are joining an effort to get a large enough lobbying group to keep Congress from trying to control everything about the Internet and our personal computers. They're still trying to force everyone to buy what they misname secure computers (a secure computer is one that allows the government to snoop on every computer user connected to a modem, DSL, or WebTV and would outlaw opensource -- secure for government snoops and no one else). So far enormous efforts have kept this bizarre notion off the floor or being soundly defeated everytime it's come up. - -- Robert Black Eagle One gets wise only after being stupid. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9817ptjSYKkYJrmcRAk6kAKCbitq/ewT0AkudD+S3y5ea+c2+OQCfVd0m 0UhWG9o2bks0ibsPNyXuQi4= =/t1I -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
begin Robert Black Eagle's quote: | And the last issue is why some geeks, hackers and just plain end | users are joining an effort to get a large enough lobbying group to | keep Congress from trying to control everything about the Internet | and our personal computers. They're still trying to force everyone | to buy what they misname secure computers (a secure computer is | one that allows the government to snoop on every computer user | connected to a modem, DSL, or WebTV and would outlaw opensource -- | secure for government snoops and no one else). So far enormous | efforts have kept this bizarre notion off the floor or being | soundly defeated everytime it's come up. fwiw, this thing is the brainchild of sen. fritz hollings (d-sc), a stooge of the riaa. it hasn't made it out of committee because fritz is a.) a democrat and b.) a nut job. but it is certainly worth being vigilant about. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 08 December 2002 10:16 am, dep wrote: begin Robert Black Eagle's quote: | And the last issue is why some geeks, hackers and just plain end | users are joining an effort to get a large enough lobbying group to | keep Congress from trying to control everything about the Internet | and our personal computers. They're still trying to force everyone | to buy what they misname secure computers (a secure computer is | one that allows the government to snoop on every computer user | connected to a modem, DSL, or WebTV and would outlaw opensource -- | secure for government snoops and no one else). So far enormous | efforts have kept this bizarre notion off the floor or being | soundly defeated everytime it's come up. fwiw, this thing is the brainchild of sen. fritz hollings (d-sc), a stooge of the riaa. it hasn't made it out of committee because fritz is a.) a democrat and b.) a nut job. but it is certainly worth being vigilant about. Fritz is well named, although the expression is on the. - -- Robert Black Eagle I prefer a good cat over a bad person. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE987UBtjSYKkYJrmcRArbkAJ4jdq5unT7bifEiOEjWYkW0yKz6aACgin8y t8wwXLt/YGni5d3lHnnX8W0= =isIp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
On Friday 06 December 2002 06:04 am, ronnie gauthier espoused: If 200 naked dancing fillies doesn't do it then towing an iceburg is a last resort. Does AU have any desalination plants? No none at all, however the task would be huge, and many would be needed. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
On Friday 06 December 2002 02:30 pm, Collins espoused: Memory serves you right. The mountain and western states had the worst drowth and forrest fires in about 100 years (Colorado most especially). I don't know how that sort of thing is handled down under, but many people believe that the severest problems were created by several decades of failure to prune old growth forrests (environmentalist wackos would never allow that) which become tinderboxes with passage of time. Same here, also lack of monies in local authorities to do burnoffs, and then local householders who pile rubbish on property lines and near bush. We've had good early fall snowfall in Colorado (most ski areas are open early this year), but it's too early to say whether the weatherman will bring us the March snows that we depend on to break the drouth cycle. we would accept any sort of water, snow oice blocks etc. You could get your thong, Keith, and join the nudie cuties in their rain dance. grin Not allowed to join them these days. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 06 December 2002 11:15 am, Ted Ozolins wrote: Lee wrote: Fire is part of the natural world's forest management technique. After every fire there is a revitalization of burned areas. Fire only becomes a problem when people with more money and greed than brains build their houses (or should I call them real estate investments?) in the middle of the forest. As for pruning the old growth, that's just lumber industry baffle garb for clear cutting the old growth forest's 500 year old Douglas Fir and 1000 year old redwoods to make picnic tables for yuppies and more houses deeper in the forests. I couldn't agree with you more. I'm an avid hiker, camper and hunter, I've hiked through most areas of British Columbia, Ontario and NWT. Nowhere have I found anything in the forests that would spell fire hazard because of lack of pruning old growths. Any foilage that hits the forest floor doesn't just lie there drying to become fire-starters, it decays and with time feeds the forest. Forests need water and a lack of it spells disaster, Not only to old growth but saplings as well. As for the environmentalist wacos, if we all had listened to them, we probably wouldn't be facing the weather disasters we are seeing today. JMHO I agree. If we had listened to them, there wouldn't be El Nino. - -- Robert Black Eagle One gets wise only after being stupid. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE98Xz+tjSYKkYJrmcRAmK6AJ0VLPaetVWS02pFaVXIjkwP1l+wHgCdGD3t hekwjGFgOYC91WmTB7BNQ8Y= =iOAl -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 06 December 2002 8:58 am, Bob Hemus wrote: Collins wrote: On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:04:09 -0600 ronnie gauthier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If 200 naked dancing fillies doesn't do it then towing an iceburg is a last resort. Does AU have any desalination plants? On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:59:12 -0500 - Leon A. Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz Jerry McBride wrote: If my memory serves me... Here in the states, for year 2002... the 48 continental states reported some measure of drought snip. I don't know how that sort of thing is handled down under, but many people believe that the severest problems were created by several decades of failure to prune old growth forrests (environmentalist wackos would never allow that) which become tinderboxes with passage of time. It doesn't take pruning old growth forests, it takes burning. The pruned, logged and replanted cut blocks explode when subjected to lightening. Here in the NW the lack of natural fires has caused the problems we now have. Burning kills the bugs, underbrush and keeps the spacing od the trees the old timers called punkins. The last punkin I had anything to do with was in 1978. It was a doug fir 11 feet on the stump. Trees that big won't grow with 12 foot spacing we did when I was thinning trees. My oldest boy and I contracted with the USFS to thin trees in '71,'72, ' '73. I worked several summers later for a logging outfit. Bob Maybe thiss ought to go to general? Got a report from an expert in forestry that argues that the newsmedia simply jumped on the excuse that allowed them to blame someone. After all, nature doesn't have large forest fires (yeah! right!). If you're interested, I can send you the text (it's HTML, so you can read it in a browser). - -- Robert Black Eagle One gets wise only after being stupid. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE98XpxtjSYKkYJrmcRAh3GAJ4hgU0kSlVx0/QjqmwUYVT1kOd+XgCePMFy 1Tpb+/0mng2ITYrCu0W7uU4= =FwP0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
On Thursday 05 December 2002 11:30 pm, Collins's voice rose above the ones in my head and declared: Memory serves you right. The mountain and western states had the worst drowth and forrest fires in about 100 years (Colorado most especially). I don't know how that sort of thing is handled down under, but many people believe that the severest problems were created by several decades of failure to prune old growth forrests (environmentalist wackos would never allow that) which become tinderboxes with passage of time. Wasn't it the U.S. Gub'ment that decided not to prune and launch the put out the fires as faster than they started campaign that really caused all the issues? Smokey the Bear and all. You could get your thong, Keith, and join the nudie cuties in their rain dance. grin Uuuuhhh. That is so wrong :-) -- Tom Wilson Reg. Linux User #199331 Weaseling out of stuff is what separates us from the rest of the animals.except the weasels. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
begin Tom Wilson's quote: | Wasn't it the U.S. Gub'ment that decided not to prune and launch | the put out the fires as faster than they started campaign that | really caused all the issues? Smokey the Bear and all. you're presuming that u.s. guvment and environmental wackos are mutually exclusive. don't forget that al earth in the balance gore, the first space alien to achieve elected office in the u.s., was in a position of some power for eight of the last 10 years. though mostly it was nongovernmental loons that thought if you clipped a single blade of grass you were raping the environment and therefore led to the current miserable situation. here in the east, we have similar in the form of those who think it is somehow better to let tens of thousands of deer starve to death than it is to shoot and eat the things. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
On Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:49:32 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: begin Tom Wilson's quote: | Wasn't it the U.S. Gub'ment that decided not to prune and launch | the put out the fires as faster than they started campaign that | really caused all the issues? Smokey the Bear and all. you're presuming that u.s. guvment and environmental wackos are mutually exclusive. don't forget that al earth in the balance gore, the first space alien to achieve elected office in the u.s., was in a position of some power for eight of the last 10 years. though mostly it was nongovernmental loons that thought if you clipped a single blade of grass you were raping the environment and therefore led to the current miserable situation. here in the east, we have similar in the form of those who think it is somehow better to let tens of thousands of deer starve to death than it is to shoot and eat the things. -- One of my all time favorite bumper stickers was on a miner's truck at the Henderson Mine (CO): Ban Mining! Let the bastards freeze to death in the dark! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area Gentoo 1.4 system ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 07:33:47PM +, Collins wrote: .. One of my all time favorite bumper stickers was on a miner's truck at the Henderson Mine (CO): Ban Mining! Let the bastards freeze to death in the dark! Or the one seen near Houston TX during one of the '70s ``Gas Crises''. ``Drive 80 -- Freeze a Yankee''. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 http://www.celestial.com/ The question is, why are politicians so eager to be president? What is it about the job that makes it worth revealing, on national television, that you have the ethical standards of a slime-coated piece of industrial waste? -- Dave Barry, On Presidential Politics ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
Yes. The control thing might be right. Of course, cars are hitting deer all the time in my neck of the woods (suburbs), but, tough luck for the human and the deer. I have a book, Chinese Westerns, short stories, written by real Chinese about real Chinese in the era of Mao. One story concerned an old man whose only companion was his dog. The word came down to the village that because dogs were not useful and ate food, the Communist party had decreed all dogs in China were to be killed. One character made the comment that dogs only ate scraps no human would eat, and were therefore no burden on the village. The decree was simply a way for the Party to show authority, he said. Anyway, bureaucracy being what it is, some cadres came to the village and killed his dog. I forget what happened next, the old guy probably died of loneliness or something, but, who cares. The dogs were all killed and the Party's authority was confirmed. Somehow, I feel this is way OT. Joel On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 07:45:01PM -0600, R. Quenett wrote: from dep: led to the current miserable situation. here in the east, we have similar in the form of those who think it is somehow better to let tens of thousands of deer starve to death than it is to shoot and eat the things. Has nothing to do with deer or grass or trees etc etc. They're just the excuse. Fact is, it's a control issue, pure and simple. R -- http://www.quen.net Fix reason firmly in her seat and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there is one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear. --Thomas Jefferson ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
On 12/07/02 18:44, Joel Hammer wrote: Somehow, I feel this is way OT. That's cause it is. [EMAIL PROTECTED] would be the place to steer this. -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo: http://netllama.ipfox.com 8:35pm up 6 days, 6:02, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.13, 0.38 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
On Thursday 05 December 2002 23:30, Collins wrote: On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:04:09 -0600 ronnie gauthier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If 200 naked dancing fillies doesn't do it then towing an iceburg is a last resort. Does AU have any desalination plants? On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:59:12 -0500 - Leon A. Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz Jerry McBride wrote: If my memory serves me... Here in the states, for year 2002... the 48 continental states reported some measure of drought effects, Memory serves you right. The mountain and western states had the worst growth and forrest fires in about 100 years (Colorado most especially). I don't know how that sort of thing is handled down under, but many people believe that the severest problems were created by several decades of failure to prune old growth forrests (environmentalist wackos would never allow that) which become tinderboxes with passage of time. Fire is part of the natural world's forest management technique. After every fire there is a revitalization of burned areas. Fire only becomes a problem when people with more money and greed than brains build their houses (or should I call them real estate investments?) in the middle of the forest. As for pruning the old growth, that's just lumber industry baffle garb for clear cutting the old growth forest's 500 year old Douglas Fir and 1000 year old redwoods to make picnic tables for yuppies and more houses deeper in the forests. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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The logging industry has only an indirect connection to the fire problems in the US. The extent that the commercial forest industry is involved is that they view fire supression as saving harvestable timber from destruction(in a selfish way, because they consider all public timber ~theirs~). The real fire problem in this country is the result of, as stated before, idiots building where they really have no business living in the first place. This leads to tax based population needing protection from nature as well as what the population considers their natural resources that must be protected. This is not new but an escalating problem that has rapidly accelerated in the last 50 years as fire fighting and spotting has gotten better. Slowly the realization is getting through that a let burn policy is best for everyone. Nature takes care of itself just fine if allowed to operate unimpeded. Not that the above has much to do with the problems in AU right now. It should be obvious to most people that nature can absorb a lot of our mistakes but when nature is stressed, it's those mistakes that decide the severity of the natural disaster that befalls us. On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:18:16 -0500 - Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz On Thursday 05 December 2002 23:30, Collins wrote: On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:04:09 -0600 ronnie gauthier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If 200 naked dancing fillies doesn't do it then towing an iceburg is a last resort. Does AU have any desalination plants? On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:59:12 -0500 - Leon A. Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz Jerry McBride wrote: If my memory serves me... Here in the states, for year 2002... the 48 continental states reported some measure of drought effects, Memory serves you right. The mountain and western states had the worst growth and forrest fires in about 100 years (Colorado most especially). I don't know how that sort of thing is handled down under, but many people believe that the severest problems were created by several decades of failure to prune old growth forrests (environmentalist wackos would never allow that) which become tinderboxes with passage of time. Fire is part of the natural world's forest management technique. After every fire there is a revitalization of burned areas. Fire only becomes a problem when people with more money and greed than brains build their houses (or should I call them real estate investments?) in the middle of the forest. As for pruning the old growth, that's just lumber industry baffle garb for clear cutting the old growth forest's 500 year old Douglas Fir and 1000 year old redwoods to make picnic tables for yuppies and more houses deeper in the forests. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
Errr...this is the THIRD time i've gotten this email. On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Lee wrote: On Thursday 05 December 2002 23:30, Collins wrote: On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:04:09 -0600 ronnie gauthier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If 200 naked dancing fillies doesn't do it then towing an iceburg is a last resort. Does AU have any desalination plants? On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:59:12 -0500 - Leon A. Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz Jerry McBride wrote: If my memory serves me... Here in the states, for year 2002... the 48 continental states reported some measure of drought effects, Memory serves you right. The mountain and western states had the worst growth and forrest fires in about 100 years (Colorado most especially). I don't know how that sort of thing is handled down under, but many people believe that the severest problems were created by several decades of failure to prune old growth forrests (environmentalist wackos would never allow that) which become tinderboxes with passage of time. Fire is part of the natural world's forest management technique. After every fire there is a revitalization of burned areas. Fire only becomes a problem when people with more money and greed than brains build their houses (or should I call them real estate investments?) in the middle of the forest. As for pruning the old growth, that's just lumber industry baffle garb for clear cutting the old growth forest's 500 year old Douglas Fir and 1000 year old redwoods to make picnic tables for yuppies and more houses deeper in the forests. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Big problems in Oz
While cruising Worldnetdaily.com, I saw a link talking about the fires around Sydney on the BBC News page. It is below: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2548177.stm Harry G ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
Collins wrote: On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:04:09 -0600 ronnie gauthier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If 200 naked dancing fillies doesn't do it then towing an iceburg is a last resort. Does AU have any desalination plants? On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:59:12 -0500 - Leon A. Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz Jerry McBride wrote: If my memory serves me... Here in the states, for year 2002... the 48 continental states reported some measure of drought snip. I don't know how that sort of thing is handled down under, but many people believe that the severest problems were created by several decades of failure to prune old growth forrests (environmentalist wackos would never allow that) which become tinderboxes with passage of time. It doesn't take pruning old growth forests, it takes burning. The pruned, logged and replanted cut blocks explode when subjected to lightening. Here in the NW the lack of natural fires has caused the problems we now have. Burning kills the bugs, underbrush and keeps the spacing od the trees the old timers called punkins. The last punkin I had anything to do with was in 1978. It was a doug fir 11 feet on the stump. Trees that big won't grow with 12 foot spacing we did when I was thinning trees. My oldest boy and I contracted with the USFS to thin trees in '71,'72, ' '73. I worked several summers later for a logging outfit. Bob Maybe thiss ought to go to general? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 05 December 2002 9:26 am, Jerry McBride wrote: On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:38:20 -0500 (EST) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, I feel for your plight down under. Out in the American West, its been quite bad over the past few years as well... If my memory serves me... Here in the states, for year 2002... the 48 continental states reported some measure of drought effects, of that 48, 63% declared drought conditions. World wide, the over all trend has been, dryer than normal... Although we in the states aren't suffering like others are, we're in for a pretty rough time ourselves. Be ready for year 2003, it's going to be rough. Count on it. El Nino is back! I read a report on El Nino and found it is erratic. Sometimes it lasts for year after year and sometimes it stays away for years. It affects weather world-wide, however. There is absolutely no reason for it to end once it starts (due to a small island off Indonesia), but it does. The mechanism is both known and uncontrollable (without blasting the island out of existence). - -- Robert Black Eagle One gets wise only after being stupid. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE98WVTtjSYKkYJrmcRAjTCAJ4popbhXvQG6sFEA0kbGrgAVtkzWQCggzh/ 8gPKTKhdRaAR3ime1qwaFao= =siTR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
I did that in WestYellowstone MT in 77 78. On Fri, 06 Dec 2002 06:58:40 -0800 - Bob Hemus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following I was thinning trees. My oldest boy and I contracted with the USFS to thin trees in '71,'72, ' '73. I worked several summers later for a logging outfit. Bob Maybe thiss ought to go to general? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Big problems in Oz
I have been busy and away for a while, nothing to do with computers. One of the reasons was to try help out in the country, but its a losing battle. We have not had any decent rain for 12 months and now there are towns that are going to run dry before xmas. The drought is the worst in 100 years maybe longer. Suicides amongst property owners is high and walk-offs are the norm. There are places that have had no wet for 40 years, but most places are destroying stock or have reduced it to paltry levels. Sydney is in the grip of nasty fires with varying gusting winds that turn on the firefighters, they lost a water tender today. A snmall comunity near Sydney lost 15 homes last night and tonight is predicted to be worse. Everything is tinder dry and I am talking 75% or more of Australia. Some fire were started by careless smokers throwing butts away, so they have made is 10 yrs jail if caught doing just that. There are also arsonist children, they are being charged as adults. They have projected a loss of 53% in the GNP for the next 6 months, whilst produce in the stores is vanishing and prices are skyrocketting. Ther is no sign of relief, yesterday was 38 here with 90% humidity, today 36 and gusty NW winds from the Solomons. The weather predictions are that we will not see rain before April/May, by that time ther will be nothing green and no animals. We are ssing birds that we do not see normally coming to the coast for feed. Roos and Emus are also migrating to the coast and causing accidents on the roads, hitting a roo at night very often writes the small vehicle off; kills too. I actually saw a dingo 5 mins from our house a couple of days ago, that can be frightening with small kids around. There have been prayer meetings for rain and even had an 'Indian' do a rain dance all to no avail, it is being blamed on El Nino, but one wonders where it will all end, but water is at a premium 'liquid gold' literally. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Big problems in Oz
I have some closeness to this kind of thing and the feelings like helplessness that go along with it. There are no words. My thoughts are with all of you. from Keith Antoine: I have been busy and away for a while, nothing to do with computers. One of the reasons was to try help out in the country, but its a losing battle. We have not had any decent rain for 12 months and now there are towns that are going to run dry before xmas. The drought is the worst in 100 years maybe longer. Suicides amongst property owners is high and walk-offs are the norm. [...] R -- http://www.quen.net Fix reason firmly in her seat and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there is one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear. --Thomas Jefferson ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Big problems in Oz
On Thursday 05 December 2002 01:28 am, Keith Antoine wrote: I have been busy and away for a while, nothing to do with computers. One of the reasons was to try help out in the country, but its a losing battle. We have not had any decent rain for 12 months and now there are towns that are going to run dry before xmas. The drought is the worst in 100 years maybe longer. Suicides amongst property owners is high and walk-offs are the norm. There are places that have had no wet for 40 years, but most places are destroying stock or have reduced it to paltry levels. I had no idea things were this bad. I don't watch TV very much and depend mostly on the New York Times for my news, but I haven't seen much mention of the situation. I wish there was something we could do to help out, but it doesn't sound like there's much anyone can do. We hope things turn around soon. -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd Rather Be Sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Keith, I feel for your plight down under. Out in the American West, its been quite bad over the past few years as well, although not nearly as bad as you described below. Here in the SF Bay area we've had only one rainfall since late April. While it is usually dry here between May November (summer up here), its not normally this dry. On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Keith Antoine wrote: I have been busy and away for a while, nothing to do with computers. One of the reasons was to try help out in the country, but its a losing battle. We have not had any decent rain for 12 months and now there are towns that are going to run dry before xmas. The drought is the worst in 100 years maybe longer. Suicides amongst property owners is high and walk-offs are the norm. There are places that have had no wet for 40 years, but most places are destroying stock or have reduced it to paltry levels. Sydney is in the grip of nasty fires with varying gusting winds that turn on the firefighters, they lost a water tender today. A snmall comunity near Sydney lost 15 homes last night and tonight is predicted to be worse. Everything is tinder dry and I am talking 75% or more of Australia. Some fire were started by careless smokers throwing butts away, so they have made is 10 yrs jail if caught doing just that. There are also arsonist children, they are being charged as adults. They have projected a loss of 53% in the GNP for the next 6 months, whilst produce in the stores is vanishing and prices are skyrocketting. Ther is no sign of relief, yesterday was 38 here with 90% humidity, today 36 and gusty NW winds from the Solomons. The weather predictions are that we will not see rain before April/May, by that time ther will be nothing green and no animals. We are ssing birds that we do not see normally coming to the coast for feed. Roos and Emus are also migrating to the coast and causing accidents on the roads, hitting a roo at night very often writes the small vehicle off; kills too. I actually saw a dingo 5 mins from our house a couple of days ago, that can be frightening with small kids around. There have been prayer meetings for rain and even had an 'Indian' do a rain dance all to no avail, it is being blamed on El Nino, but one wonders where it will all end, but water is at a premium 'liquid gold' literally. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:38:20 -0500 (EST) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, I feel for your plight down under. Out in the American West, its been quite bad over the past few years as well... If my memory serves me... Here in the states, for year 2002... the 48 continental states reported some measure of drought effects, of that 48, 63% declared drought conditions. World wide, the over all trend has been, dryer than normal... Although we in the states aren't suffering like others are, we're in for a pretty rough time ourselves. Be ready for year 2003, it's going to be rough. -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net 10:18am up 12 days, 12:01, 3 users, load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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If 200 naked dancing fillies doesn't do it then towing an iceburg is a last resort. Does AU have any desalination plants? On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:59:12 -0500 - Leon A. Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz Jerry McBride wrote: If my memory serves me... Here in the states, for year 2002... the 48 continental states reported some measure of drought effects, of that 48, 63% declared drought conditions. World wide, the over all trend has been, dryer than normal... Although we in the states aren't suffering like others are, we're in for a pretty rough time ourselves. Be ready for year 2003, it's going to be rough. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Friday 06 December 2002 12:38 am, Net Llama! espoused: Keith, I feel for your plight down under. Out in the American West, its been quite bad over the past few years as well, although not nearly as bad as you described below. Here in the SF Bay area we've had only one rainfall since late April. While it is usually dry here between May November (summer up here), its not normally this dry. Yes we have heard here that there are problems in the US Western seaboard which has been affected by this abnormal weather pattern, trouble is, is this going to last. No one here has an answer. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Friday 06 December 2002 12:14 am, Tony Alfrey espoused: I had no idea things were this bad. I don't watch TV very much and depend mostly on the New York Times for my news, but I haven't seen much mention of the situation. I wish there was something we could do to help out, but it doesn't sound like there's much anyone can do. We hope things turn around soon. Thats in the lap of the Gods, we need rain. As for news, well its not really newsworthy unless lost of people die, and that might happen too. The real tragedy is to see once propereous stations (farms) that are nothing but dried cracked deserts, covered with animal bones. It reminds me of the Grapes of Wrath on a continental stage. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Friday 06 December 2002 01:26 am, Jerry McBride espoused: On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:38:20 -0500 (EST) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, I feel for your plight down under. Out in the American West, its been quite bad over the past few years as well... If my memory serves me... Here in the states, for year 2002... the 48 continental states reported some measure of drought effects, of that 48, 63% declared drought conditions. World wide, the over all trend has been, dryer than normal... Although we in the states aren't suffering like others are, we're in for a pretty rough time ourselves. Be ready for year 2003, it's going to be rough. Armageddon ?? -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:04:09 -0600 ronnie gauthier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If 200 naked dancing fillies doesn't do it then towing an iceburg is a last resort. Does AU have any desalination plants? On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:59:12 -0500 - Leon A. Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz Jerry McBride wrote: If my memory serves me... Here in the states, for year 2002... the 48 continental states reported some measure of drought effects, Memory serves you right. The mountain and western states had the worst drowth and forrest fires in about 100 years (Colorado most especially). I don't know how that sort of thing is handled down under, but many people believe that the severest problems were created by several decades of failure to prune old growth forrests (environmentalist wackos would never allow that) which become tinderboxes with passage of time. We've had good early fall snowfall in Colorado (most ski areas are open early this year), but it's too early to say whether the weatherman will bring us the March snows that we depend on to break the drouth cycle. Our sympathies are with you, Keith, and the stockmen here and there who have to watch their herds die or with people who watch their homes go up in flames. We who remain unaffected (as yet) have much to be thankful for. Most people in Denver only had to deal with outdoor watering restrictions, poorly maintained golf courses, and no campfires anywhere in the state. You could get your thong, Keith, and join the nudie cuties in their rain dance. grin -- Collins Richey - Denver Area Redhat 7.3 system ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 06:19:17 +1000, Keith Antoine wrote: Armageddon ?? Naw. Christmas shopping season. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
