Re: Motherboards
My bias against VIA has come from years in the newsgroups where VIA has again and again been the culprit because it wasn't compatible with (sound, video, put product name here) cards. You may have to lower the sound card acceleration for example. Yes, many of these have been windows systems but at this point it was a hardware level problem. Yes, many of these are game machines but they do test the hardware and when other chipsets had no problems with the same setup - it's very suspiciouis. And yes, VIA has issued driver updates to fix these but why should I have to hassle with this again and again - they need to do it right. Any chipset manufacturer can have a problem but VIA has had far too many over the years to suit me so I don't allow them on the vendor list when I look at motherboards. > > My $0.02 worth... > > VIA chipsets aren't that bad. In fact, it's the most common chipset that > I'me exposed to, both at home and at work. > > As far as brands go. I'm totally amazed at how well SOYO motherboards > work. Also MSI. My most recent purchase has been an MSI KT3 ULTRA2. > Excellent, fast and decently priced. > > As for Intel cpu's... I go out of my way to avoid them. > -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt <>< Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Motherboards
On Monday 30 December 2002 10:03 pm, Jerry McBride's voice rose above the ones in my head and declared: > On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:27:48 -0500 Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just got a SOYO Dragon Lite and ot rocks. VIA KT333 chipset > > though. I haven't had any problems at all with it yet. > > Tom... does that motherboard sport the 4 heatsink mounting holes for > the processor Yup. > and how is for overclocking? It does some overclocking but not as much as some of their other boards. This is a scaled down version of the Dragon boards they make. So while it is perfect for my desktop needs and maybe dabbling into overclocking for the first time, it is perfect. I believe the Dragon Plus and Dragon Ultra's are more rich in overclocking features. > Does it have a lot of bios options? Yup. Obviously not as many as the Plus or Ultras but there are a ton of them for it being the Lite model. So far, I love this board. They have good descriptions of features and specs on the website for the boards and downloadable manuals. -- Tom Wilson Reg. Linux User #199331 "Weaseling out of stuff is what separates us from the rest of the animals.except the weasels." ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Motherboards
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:27:48 -0500 Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 28 December 2002 11:43 am, Brett I. Holcomb's voice rose > above the ones in my head and declared: > > > What brands of motherboards have you had good luck with? I run AMD > > processors and do NOT want a VIA chipset (I don't want it for Intel > > either ). > > > > Thanks. > > I just got a SOYO Dragon Lite and ot rocks. VIA KT333 chipset though. > I haven't had any problems at all with it yet. > Tom... does that motherboard sport the 4 heatsink mounting holes for the processor and how is for overclocking? Does it have a lot of bios options? -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&safe=off&group=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net 9:59pm up 37 days, 23:39, 10 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Motherboards
On Saturday 28 December 2002 11:43 am, Brett I. Holcomb's voice rose above the ones in my head and declared: > What brands of motherboards have you had good luck with? I run AMD > processors and do NOT want a VIA chipset (I don't want it for Intel > either ). > > Thanks. I just got a SOYO Dragon Lite and ot rocks. VIA KT333 chipset though. I haven't had any problems at all with it yet. --Tom Wilson ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Motherboards
On Saturday 28 December 2002 11:43 am, Brett I. Holcomb's voice rose above the ones in my head and declared: > What brands of motherboards have you had good luck with? I run AMD > processors and do NOT want a VIA chipset (I don't want it for Intel > either ). > > Thanks. I just got a SOYO Dragon Lite and ot rocks. VIA KT333 chipset though. I haven't had any problems at all with it yet. -- Tom Wilson Reg. Linux User #199331 "Weaseling out of stuff is what separates us from the rest of the animals.except the weasels." ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Motherboards
Wow. It's hard to imagine a company treating its customers that badly and expecting them to stick around. I've been extremely lucky I guess. I've had 2 Asus A7V boards running fine for a couple of years now. I recently swapped out one of them for an MSI KT4 w/Athlon XP 2000, mostly because the combo was on sale. This is sort of a beta test of MSI for me, we'll see how it goes. So far so good, RH8 loved it. Kudzu handled the hardware swapout without a hitch (including the onboard VIA NIC and onboard AC97 sound). WinXP, OTOH, had to be formatted and reinstalled. It threw a toddler-style hissyfit. Even after all the hardware was detected it ran like total garbage. I even installed a new HDD to do the XP reinstall to see if it was a hardware problem, but once a fresh XP was on it ran like a champ. So much for Microsoft's plug-n-play support. On a separate topic, six hours later the power supply fried and took out both the new HDD with my happy XP install and the old one that had all my data on it. So I now have pretty much an entirely new PC. Unplanned, but oh well. :( On Sun, 2002-12-29 at 08:17, Net Llama! wrote: > On 12/28/02 21:01, Rick Forrister wrote: > > I've a good friend here in the L.A. area who builds high end systems for a living. > They supply several of the render farms in the Hollywood area, etc. They formerly >used a lot of ASUS motherboards, and had good success with them. A couple years >back, the failure rate started to creap up on them. Then they started having >problems with ASUS warrantee support - long delays, getting "replacements" that were >obviously recycled returns (and sometimes still not working), lots of other fun and >games. They no longer handle ASUS products at all. > > Ah yes, recyled returns, that's another Asus trick. Just last week i > got back 3 boards from them. All 3 were still broken, two were beta > boards (the rev # on the label indicated it as such), and the 3rd had so > much dirt & dust on it that it had to have been sitting on a shelf for > months, exposed to the air. Needless to say, i've sent them back for > another round of replacements. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Motherboards
Rick, what boards did you friend move to? Net Llama! wrote: > On 12/28/02 21:01, Rick Forrister wrote: >> I've a good friend here in the L.A. area who builds high end systems for >> a living. They supply several of the render farms in the Hollywood area, >> etc. They formerly used a lot of ASUS motherboards, and had good success >> with them. A couple years back, the failure rate started to creap up on >> them. Then they started having problems with ASUS warrantee support - >> long delays, getting "replacements" that were obviously recycled returns >> (and sometimes still not working), lots of other fun and games. They no >> longer handle ASUS products at all. > > Ah yes, recyled returns, that's another Asus trick. Just last week i > got back 3 boards from them. All 3 were still broken, two were beta > boards (the rev # on the label indicated it as such), and the 3rd had so > much dirt & dust on it that it had to have been sitting on a shelf for > months, exposed to the air. Needless to say, i've sent them back for > another round of replacements. > -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt <>< Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Motherboards
On 12/28/02 21:01, Rick Forrister wrote: I've a good friend here in the L.A. area who builds high end systems for a living. They supply several of the render farms in the Hollywood area, etc. They formerly used a lot of ASUS motherboards, and had good success with them. A couple years back, the failure rate started to creap up on them. Then they started having problems with ASUS warrantee support - long delays, getting "replacements" that were obviously recycled returns (and sometimes still not working), lots of other fun and games. They no longer handle ASUS products at all. Ah yes, recyled returns, that's another Asus trick. Just last week i got back 3 boards from them. All 3 were still broken, two were beta boards (the rev # on the label indicated it as such), and the 3rd had so much dirt & dust on it that it had to have been sitting on a shelf for months, exposed to the air. Needless to say, i've sent them back for another round of replacements. -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step & TyGeMo: http://netllama.ipfox.com 8:15am up 14 days, 15:24, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Motherboards
On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:39:22 -0500 "Brett I. Holcomb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just out of curiosity what experiences have you had with Asus? I've used > them for several years with no problems but that has been on Windows (and a > Caldera) system so Windows probably masked any problems - I'm open to > feedback! > > Thank you. > > > On 12/28/02 08:43, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: > >> What brands of motherboards have you had good luck with? I run AMD > >> processors and do NOT want a VIA chipset (I don't want it for Intel > >> either ). > > > > Tyan boards are fairly good. I'd avoid Asus like the plague. I've a good friend here in the L.A. area who builds high end systems for a living. They supply several of the render farms in the Hollywood area, etc. They formerly used a lot of ASUS motherboards, and had good success with them. A couple years back, the failure rate started to creap up on them. Then they started having problems with ASUS warrantee support - long delays, getting "replacements" that were obviously recycled returns (and sometimes still not working), lots of other fun and games. They no longer handle ASUS products at all. rickf ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Motherboards
On Saturday 28 December 2002 09:38 pm, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: > It's a BIOS setting - CPU Overheat throttle is enabled. There is a daemon that has been written that will do that and alot more. Plus, it lets you throttle the speed of the chip at will :) I'll find the link and post it ot the group. Best Peck ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Here is the link to the speedstep daemon: http://gpsdrive.kraftvoll.at/speedstep.shtml Best Peck ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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It's a BIOS setting - CPU Overheat throttle is enabled. Jerry McBride wrote: > On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:43:09 -0500 "Brett I. Holcomb" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The newer AMDs will cut back on the speed if they get too hot... > > You sure about that? Can you point me to a URL that discusses this? I like > to "think" I'm on top of things like that. Shame on me... :') > > > > -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt <>< Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Motherboards
Well, I thought it was in the manual that came with my system as I remember a setting in the BIOS. I'll check next time I reboot because I have to go back in there anyway. The AMD site might have info, too. Jerry McBride wrote: > On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:43:09 -0500 "Brett I. Holcomb" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The newer AMDs will cut back on the speed if they get too hot... > > You sure about that? Can you point me to a URL that discusses this? I like > to "think" I'm on top of things like that. Shame on me... :') > > > > -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt <>< Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Motherboards
On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:43:09 -0500 "Brett I. Holcomb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The newer AMDs will cut back on the speed if they get too hot... You sure about that? Can you point me to a URL that discusses this? I like to "think" I'm on top of things like that. Shame on me... :') -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&safe=off&group=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net 9:11pm up 35 days, 22:51, 10 users, load average: 0.10, 0.12, 0.09 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Motherboards
Bruce Marshall wrote: > I would agree with you on the Intel's with the exception that they *do* > seem to have good thermal protection. (slowing down the processor). If > anything untoward happens to an AMD CPU, they immediately go up in > smoke. I don't like that 'feechur'. > I just built a box around a used Intel 850MVL mobo with P4 2.2 gHz and 512 MB RDRAM. I got the board/CPU/RIMM's for less than I was prepared to pay for a lesser mobo/CPU (Celeron) and some DDRAM. I'm no fan of Intel, but I was uncomfortable about the mobo/chipset selection from the posts I've read. While I've built a number of PC/AT systems, this is my first ATX. (I notice that there is still no standardization with indicator LED connectors. Also, conspicuously absent in the documentation is how to access the BIOS setup.) The system refused to finish installing Libranet 2.7 - GRUB would not run. While waiting for Libranet to answer my squawk, I googled and found a long list of complaints about this mobo and various Linux distro's. I did manage to get SuSE 8 to install, but Libranet and Xandros failed. Knoppix would eventually run, but would spew out a long listing of I/O errors. Sometimes, Knoppix would not run at all. I found one post pointing out a BIOS update, so I dloaded the BIOS patch and flashed it. Relief. Coincidental with the BIOS problem, it also turned out that my Sony DVD would not read CD-R's reliably. I swapped it for a "LG" made in Korea. The LG reads everything I feed it just fine. All of this illustrates the dreaded situation of "negative synergy" when more than one component in a system is off spec. BTW anyone else have problems reading CD-R's? -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 2.7 Debian Linux System 5WV271 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Motherboards
The newer AMDs will cut back on the speed if they get too hot. It was the early ones that had the problems. But I put a LOT of cooling on them whether they were AMD or Intel! Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Saturday 28 December 2002 13:29 pm, Jerry McBride wrote: >> My $0.02 worth... >> >> VIA chipsets aren't that bad. In fact, it's the most common chipset >> that I'me exposed to, both at home and at work. >> >> As far as brands go. I'm totally amazed at how well SOYO motherboards >> work. Also MSI. My most recent purchase has been an MSI KT3 ULTRA2. >> Excellent, fast and decently priced. >> >> As for Intel cpu's... I go out of my way to avoid them. > > I would agree with you on the Intel's with the exception that they *do* > seem to have good thermal protection. (slowing down the processor). If > anything untoward happens to an AMD CPU, they immediately go up in > smoke. I don't like that 'feechur'. > > -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt <>< Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Motherboards
On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 07:16:55PM -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote: .. >I would agree with you on the Intel's with the exception that they *do* >seem to have good thermal protection. (slowing down the processor). If >anything untoward happens to an AMD CPU, they immediately go up in >smoke. I don't like that 'feechur'. Up in smoke, leaving a crater in the mother board :-). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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After seeing this and Lonnie's I can count myself fortunate that I did not have any trouble in several years Well, the next board will not be an Asus! Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Saturday 28 December 2002 12:39 pm, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: >> Just out of curiosity what experiences have you had with Asus? I've >> used them for several years with no problems but that has been on >> Windows (and a Caldera) system so Windows probably masked any problems >> - I'm open to feedback! > > Here's my story of the past two months or so. > Snipped > But no more ASUS for me... although I have two of the boards working. > But it's been a big battle and if they break now, they're going in the > trash. > > > > -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt <>< Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Motherboards
On Saturday 28 December 2002 13:29 pm, Jerry McBride wrote: > My $0.02 worth... > > VIA chipsets aren't that bad. In fact, it's the most common chipset > that I'me exposed to, both at home and at work. > > As far as brands go. I'm totally amazed at how well SOYO motherboards > work. Also MSI. My most recent purchase has been an MSI KT3 ULTRA2. > Excellent, fast and decently priced. > > As for Intel cpu's... I go out of my way to avoid them. I would agree with you on the Intel's with the exception that they *do* seem to have good thermal protection. (slowing down the processor). If anything untoward happens to an AMD CPU, they immediately go up in smoke. I don't like that 'feechur'. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 12/28/02 19:15 + ++ "No one is listening until you make a mistake." ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Saturday 28 December 2002 12:39 pm, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: > Just out of curiosity what experiences have you had with Asus? I've > used them for several years with no problems but that has been on > Windows (and a Caldera) system so Windows probably masked any problems > - I'm open to feedback! Here's my story of the past two months or so. 1) Ordered a computer built by Aberdeen Inc. using an ASUS A7V333 board and an AMD XP 1.73Ghz cpu. Worked fine. 2) Ordered an A7V333 board and same CPU as above to replace in a different computer. Swapped boards and was greated with 'System fails memory test' followed (once I got that fixed by reseating boards) 'system fails CPU test'. Nothing would fix that. 3) Sent the board back and got a replacement.. no info as to what the problem was. Swapped boards again... same problems. 4) In the meantime, ordered a computer built the same as in (1) and on receipt, it had the same 'system fails CPU test'. Sent it back. 5) Sent the board back from (3) and they said the board was fine, told them to build a complete computer around it (putting the onus on Aberdeen to make it work). 6) Received the computer from (4) back and it now works fine. 7) Received the complete rebuild of (5) and it was totally flakey. Played with it for a week but could not do an install of anything without getting errors, stoppages, strange blowups... worthless. 8) Sent computer (7) back and again they said it tested fine. I don't doubt that because you'd have to do an install or something strenuous to get it to fail. Told them I was sick of ASUS boards and to rebuild it with a Pentium 4 and an Abit board. Abit has discontinued the board I picked so when and if I ever get it back, it will have an Intel board. But no more ASUS for me... although I have two of the boards working. But it's been a big battle and if they break now, they're going in the trash. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 12/28/02 19:05 + ++ "I am learning that criticism is not nearly as effective as sabotage." ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Motherboards
Well, they outdid themselves on this one - If I use two, fine, more than that and bang. Net Llama! wrote: > Yea, that sounds like a standard Asus problem. I had a few boards that > refused to even post when all 4 memory slots were populated (and it > could be any 3, and it would post fine). > > On 12/28/02 14:22, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: >> Thank you. That helps. I haven't dealt directly with Asus - I let me >> dealer do that. At this point I have hte ASUS A7M266-D working with two >> of >> the four memory modules out (I had 4 512, now have 2) so it appears it >> doesn't like to run 2G! >> >> >> Net Llama! wrote: >> >>> Back in the day when VA was selling hardware, one of their servers used >>> the Asus CUR-DLS dual proc mobo. It had a 40% failure rate. Asus took >>> an average of 7 weeks to provide replacements. When the boards failed, >>> it varied from one of the two CPU sockets going bad, to timing issues, >>> to failed memory slots/buses, to IRQ failures. We ended up doing some >>> fairly elaborate testing on the boards to determine why the failure rate >>> was so high, and we found that Asus had cut corners with specs. >>> Voltages would vary outside of the allowable range by as much as 1V. >>> Neutral would spike up to 200V at times for no apparent reason. In >>> short, the boards were complete crap and Asus first denied that they had >>> a quality problem, and then dragged their feet when we needed large >>> numbers of replacements (at one point we needed over 500 boards replaced >>> over the sourse of a single week). It was a complete nightmare, and as >>> a result i will never willingly use Asus products again. >>> >> > -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt <>< Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Yea, that sounds like a standard Asus problem. I had a few boards that refused to even post when all 4 memory slots were populated (and it could be any 3, and it would post fine). On 12/28/02 14:22, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: Thank you. That helps. I haven't dealt directly with Asus - I let me dealer do that. At this point I have hte ASUS A7M266-D working with two of the four memory modules out (I had 4 512, now have 2) so it appears it doesn't like to run 2G! Net Llama! wrote: Back in the day when VA was selling hardware, one of their servers used the Asus CUR-DLS dual proc mobo. It had a 40% failure rate. Asus took an average of 7 weeks to provide replacements. When the boards failed, it varied from one of the two CPU sockets going bad, to timing issues, to failed memory slots/buses, to IRQ failures. We ended up doing some fairly elaborate testing on the boards to determine why the failure rate was so high, and we found that Asus had cut corners with specs. Voltages would vary outside of the allowable range by as much as 1V. Neutral would spike up to 200V at times for no apparent reason. In short, the boards were complete crap and Asus first denied that they had a quality problem, and then dragged their feet when we needed large numbers of replacements (at one point we needed over 500 boards replaced over the sourse of a single week). It was a complete nightmare, and as a result i will never willingly use Asus products again. -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step & TyGeMo: http://netllama.ipfox.com 2:30pm up 13 days, 21:39, 3 users, load average: 0.93, 0.70, 0.39 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Thank you. That helps. I haven't dealt directly with Asus - I let me dealer do that. At this point I have hte ASUS A7M266-D working with two of the four memory modules out (I had 4 512, now have 2) so it appears it doesn't like to run 2G! Net Llama! wrote: > Back in the day when VA was selling hardware, one of their servers used > the Asus CUR-DLS dual proc mobo. It had a 40% failure rate. Asus took > an average of 7 weeks to provide replacements. When the boards failed, > it varied from one of the two CPU sockets going bad, to timing issues, > to failed memory slots/buses, to IRQ failures. We ended up doing some > fairly elaborate testing on the boards to determine why the failure rate > was so high, and we found that Asus had cut corners with specs. > Voltages would vary outside of the allowable range by as much as 1V. > Neutral would spike up to 200V at times for no apparent reason. In > short, the boards were complete crap and Asus first denied that they had > a quality problem, and then dragged their feet when we needed large > numbers of replacements (at one point we needed over 500 boards replaced > over the sourse of a single week). It was a complete nightmare, and as > a result i will never willingly use Asus products again. > -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt <>< Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Back in the day when VA was selling hardware, one of their servers used the Asus CUR-DLS dual proc mobo. It had a 40% failure rate. Asus took an average of 7 weeks to provide replacements. When the boards failed, it varied from one of the two CPU sockets going bad, to timing issues, to failed memory slots/buses, to IRQ failures. We ended up doing some fairly elaborate testing on the boards to determine why the failure rate was so high, and we found that Asus had cut corners with specs. Voltages would vary outside of the allowable range by as much as 1V. Neutral would spike up to 200V at times for no apparent reason. In short, the boards were complete crap and Asus first denied that they had a quality problem, and then dragged their feet when we needed large numbers of replacements (at one point we needed over 500 boards replaced over the sourse of a single week). It was a complete nightmare, and as a result i will never willingly use Asus products again. On 12/28/02 09:39, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: Just out of curiosity what experiences have you had with Asus? I've used them for several years with no problems but that has been on Windows (and a Caldera) system so Windows probably masked any problems - I'm open to feedback! Thank you. On 12/28/02 08:43, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: What brands of motherboards have you had good luck with? I run AMD processors and do NOT want a VIA chipset (I don't want it for Intel either ). Tyan boards are fairly good. I'd avoid Asus like the plague. -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step & TyGeMo: http://netllama.ipfox.com 2:00pm up 13 days, 21:09, 2 users, load average: 0.56, 0.21, 0.08 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Motherboards
On Saturday 28 December 2002 12:39, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: > Just out of curiosity what experiences have you had with Asus? I've used > them for several years with no problems but that has been on Windows (and a > Caldera) system so Windows probably masked any problems - I'm open to > feedback! > > Thank you. > > > On 12/28/02 08:43, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: > >> What brands of motherboards have you had good luck with? I run AMD > >> processors and do NOT want a VIA chipset (I don't want it for Intel > >> either ). > > > > Tyan boards are fairly good. I'd avoid Asus like the plague. >>>I use Asus boards and have little problem with them. There is one thing to look out for . Asus is the subcontractor for a lot of different boxes and use different chip sets even in the same series. The thing with Asus is to identify the chip set on the mb and make your decision on the basis of how well that particular chip runs on the particular linux distro you plan to use. Some linux distros run chip sets that others won't run. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: Motherboards Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:22:55 -0500 From: Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Saturday 28 December 2002 12:39, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: > Just out of curiosity what experiences have you had with Asus? I've used > them for several years with no problems but that has been on Windows (and a > Caldera) system so Windows probably masked any problems - I'm open to > feedback! > > Thank you. > > > On 12/28/02 08:43, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: > >> What brands of motherboards have you had good luck with? I run AMD > >> processors and do NOT want a VIA chipset (I don't want it for Intel > >> either ). > > > > Tyan boards are fairly good. I'd avoid Asus like the plague. > > >>>I use Asus boards and have little problem with them. There is one thing to look out for . Asus is the subcontractor for a lot of different boxes and use different chip sets even in the same series. The thing with Asus is to identify the chip set on the mb and make your decision on the basis of how well that particular chip runs on the particular linux distro you plan to use. Some linux distros run chip sets that others won't run. --- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Motherboards
On Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:43:47 -0500 "Brett I. Holcomb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What brands of motherboards have you had good luck with? I run AMD > processors and do NOT want a VIA chipset (I don't want it for Intel either > ). > My $0.02 worth... VIA chipsets aren't that bad. In fact, it's the most common chipset that I'me exposed to, both at home and at work. As far as brands go. I'm totally amazed at how well SOYO motherboards work. Also MSI. My most recent purchase has been an MSI KT3 ULTRA2. Excellent, fast and decently priced. As for Intel cpu's... I go out of my way to avoid them. -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&safe=off&group=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net 1:24pm up 35 days, 15:04, 10 users, load average: 0.07, 0.10, 0.09 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Motherboards
Lonni: What have you found with ASUS that you do NOT like? Just curious, since I am thinking of building a new machine. Scott On Saturday 28 December 2002 10:24, you wrote: > On 12/28/02 08:43, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: > > What brands of motherboards have you had good luck with? I run AMD > > processors and do NOT want a VIA chipset (I don't want it for Intel > > either ). > > Tyan boards are fairly good. I'd avoid Asus like the plague. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Motherboards
Just out of curiosity what experiences have you had with Asus? I've used them for several years with no problems but that has been on Windows (and a Caldera) system so Windows probably masked any problems - I'm open to feedback! Thank you. > On 12/28/02 08:43, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: >> What brands of motherboards have you had good luck with? I run AMD >> processors and do NOT want a VIA chipset (I don't want it for Intel >> either ). > > Tyan boards are fairly good. I'd avoid Asus like the plague. > -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt <>< Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Motherboards
On 12/28/02 08:43, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: What brands of motherboards have you had good luck with? I run AMD processors and do NOT want a VIA chipset (I don't want it for Intel either ). Tyan boards are fairly good. I'd avoid Asus like the plague. -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step & TyGeMo: http://netllama.ipfox.com 9:20am up 13 days, 16:29, 2 users, load average: 0.07, 0.05, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Motherboards and chipsets with Linux
I saw a lot of good comments in the sis735 chipsets locally, notably PCChips ML830. They raved it as cheap (HK$500 only) and usable though lacked features for overclocking. Don't use exortic hardware with this board, though. They even flash its BIOS with the better one from 2theMax that made a similar board. Net Llama wrote: > SiS anything is garbage. Look through usenet for a short while and > you'll see the pain that newbies go through trying to get SiS chipsets > working under Linux. Again, I saw good reviews locally from the kids. They used i845d boards to overclock P4-1.6GA to 2.2GHz, notably the 2theMax 4DBA. > The i8xx aren't much better. I guess Mr. Lamer's shop has really a very strict, military-grade definition for "good hardware". :) ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Motherboards and chipsets with Linux
--- "M.W.Chang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > if you are really into P4, I suggest using Intel i845d or i845e > chipsets. for AMD CPU, go with the SiS745 or SiS735 chipsets. > > Net Llama wrote: > >>get an old 440BX or i815e motherboard. guaranteed to have no hussle. > > Eeeek...440BX? I think the fastest CPU that could handle was a > > PIII-600. As for the i815, that has a really poor video chipset. SiS anything is garbage. Look through usenet for a short while and you'll see the pain that newbies go through trying to get SiS chipsets working under Linux. The i8xx aren't much better. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Motherboards and chipsets with Linux
if you are really into P4, I suggest using Intel i845d or i845e chipsets. for AMD CPU, go with the SiS745 or SiS735 chipsets. Net Llama wrote: >>get an old 440BX or i815e motherboard. guaranteed to have no hussle. > Eeeek...440BX? I think the fastest CPU that could handle was a > PIII-600. As for the i815, that has a really poor video chipset. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Motherboards and chipsets with Linux
no. with the right fc-pga sloket, you can go coppermine CPU up to 1.2G at least. if your BX can work at 133Mhz, you can use those faster coppuermine P3. You cannot use those tualatin celerons (GA CPU) though. At home, I have a P2B-F overclocking a coppermine Celeron 533 to 800MHz, Another CUBX is overclocking a coppermine P3-700 to 933Mhz. :P Both are working fine. > Eeeek...440BX? I think the fastest CPU that could handle was a > PIII-600. As for the i815, that has a really poor video chipset. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Motherboards and chipsets with Linux
On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:06:51 +0800, M.W.Chang wrote: >get an old 440BX or i815e motherboard. guaranteed to have no hussle. I recommend staying away from the ASUS TUSL2-C MB. Its an 815 unit but a real POS, not worth any time or money. My best unit so far for P3 cpu's has been the Tyan Trinity 400 S1854. I have 12 of them and they are all operating flawlessly, P3-1G and DeCeleron 700's stayler ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Motherboards and chipsets with Linux
On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:21:01 -0800 (PST), Net Llama wrote: >Eeeek...440BX? I think the fastest CPU that could handle was a >PIII-600. As for the i815, that has a really poor video chipset. I have a 440BX running an 800. I am actively searching for another 100Mhz bus CPU for my other ASUS P2B-S MB. With LVD SCSI they make a great server board. Stayler ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Motherboards and chipsets with Linux
--- Rick Sivernell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I prefer Asus only, best luck with them, always work. Most are > approved for > Linus, Solaris Windows. they are ISO 9000 certified, or they used to > be. I've had some horrible experiences with Asus lately. Their 'server class' CUR-DLS mobo is a flaming POS. It has power control issues, IRQ problems and BMC bugs. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Motherboards and chipsets with Linux
On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:59:11 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > FYI: If you are trying to avoid VIA, be careful what Tyan you buy. Most of > their chipsets are VIA, and Intel, with a few AMDs mixed in. > > I have always used VIA, and have never had any problems, but I am not a Linux > power user. > > My suggestion is to avoid the Ali chipsets at all costs. As for Tyan, or Asus, > or any other, its really going to come down to the Chipset and support you will > get from the manufacturer. There are only about 4 Motherboard chipset > manufacturers, so even though you are looking at a Tyan Trinity KT-A or the > Asus A7v133, you are really looking at the VIA KT133A. > > Just a few thoughts from a hardware guy! > Paul Moore > > Quoting Net Llama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Yes, VIA has a very uneven track record. I've never heard of ECS, so i > > can't comment on them. I know that Intel makes decent boards, although > > nothing stellar. I've always had good results from Tyan. > > > > > > --- Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I am going to be building me a new PC here soon and I was wondering if > > > anyone out there has some advice on which motherboards and/or chipsets > > > that should be avoided or cause problems. I am hoping to get a P4 or > > > AMD XP with a low end clock speed so I have the option to plug a > > > higher powered chip in it later. > > > > > > A google search revealed some issues about ECS(?) motherboards and I > > > think I've heard that the VIA chipset can be troublesome. > > > > > > I wanted to hear from some of you all, who's opinions I value, on your > > > own experiences good or bad with motherboards and chipsets. Which > > > ones to look at and which to avoid all together. > > > > = > > > > Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com > > > > . > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® > > http://movies.yahoo.com/ > > ___ > > Linux-users mailing list - > > http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above > > URL. > > I prefer Asus only, best luck with them, always work. Most are approved for Linus, Solaris Windows. they are ISO 9000 certified, or they used to be. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Motherboards and chipsets with Linux
--- "M.W.Chang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > get an old 440BX or i815e motherboard. guaranteed to have no hussle. Eeeek...440BX? I think the fastest CPU that could handle was a PIII-600. As for the i815, that has a really poor video chipset. > > Tom Wilson wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > I wanted to hear from some of you all, who's opinions I value, on > your own experiences good or bad with motherboards and chipsets. > Which ones to look at and which to avoid all together. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Motherboards and chipsets with Linux
On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 01:57:51 +0800 "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I am going to be building me a new PC here soon and I was wondering if > anyone out there has some advice on which motherboards and/or chipsets > that should be avoided or cause problems. I am hoping to get a P4 or > AMD XP with a low end clock speed so I have the option to plug a > higher powered chip in it later. > > A google search revealed some issues about ECS(?) motherboards and I > think I've heard that the VIA chipset can be troublesome. > > I wanted to hear from some of you all, who's opinions I value, on your > own experiences good or bad with motherboards and chipsets. Which > ones to look at and which to avoid all together. I've been very happy with the Shuttle AK31 socket A, DDR motherboard (266MHz FSB) / Athlon T-Bird 1.4GHz combination thus far. It uses the VIA KT266, VT8366/VT8233 chipset and thus far, in six months of 7x24 operation (seti@home, httpd), I've yet to experience any problems. HTH, -- Myles Green Calgary AB Canada Alberta Linux Step by Step Mirror: http://mylesg.homelinux.net/ -- Hardware, n.: The parts of a computer system that can be kicked. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Motherboards and chipsets with Linux
get an old 440BX or i815e motherboard. guaranteed to have no hussle. Tom Wilson wrote: > > Hi all, > I wanted to hear from some of you all, who's opinions I value, on your own >experiences good or bad with motherboards and chipsets. Which ones to look at and >which to avoid all together. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Motherboards and chipsets with Linux
On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 03:57, Tom Wilson Hear Ye Oh! Hear Ye GANDALF spake thus: > Hi all, > > I am going to be building me a new PC here soon and I was wondering if > anyone out there has some advice on which motherboards and/or chipsets that > should be avoided or cause problems. I am hoping to get a P4 or AMD XP > with a low end clock speed so I have the option to plug a higher powered > chip in it later. > > A google search revealed some issues about ECS(?) motherboards and I think > I've heard that the VIA chipset can be troublesome. Have operated with Athlon/Duron's and Via chipsets, for a few years now and nothing has been a problem with the hardware. Personally I would steer clear of ECS and MSI boards plus anything with SiS chipsets. I have used Asus, Soltek, Epox, Gigabyte and Abit only. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Motherboards and chipsets with Linux
Tom: I have had no problems with Soyo K7xxx m/b + VIA(133?) or Biostar M7MIA+ AMD761. These have been use in the SOHO and medical office context. Tom ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Motherboards and chipsets with Linux
FYI: If you are trying to avoid VIA, be careful what Tyan you buy. Most of their chipsets are VIA, and Intel, with a few AMDs mixed in. I have always used VIA, and have never had any problems, but I am not a Linux power user. My suggestion is to avoid the Ali chipsets at all costs. As for Tyan, or Asus, or any other, its really going to come down to the Chipset and support you will get from the manufacturer. There are only about 4 Motherboard chipset manufacturers, so even though you are looking at a Tyan Trinity KT-A or the Asus A7v133, you are really looking at the VIA KT133A. Just a few thoughts from a hardware guy! Paul Moore Quoting Net Llama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Yes, VIA has a very uneven track record. I've never heard of ECS, so i > can't comment on them. I know that Intel makes decent boards, although > nothing stellar. I've always had good results from Tyan. > > > --- Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I am going to be building me a new PC here soon and I was wondering if > > anyone out there has some advice on which motherboards and/or chipsets > > that should be avoided or cause problems. I am hoping to get a P4 or > > AMD XP with a low end clock speed so I have the option to plug a > > higher powered chip in it later. > > > > A google search revealed some issues about ECS(?) motherboards and I > > think I've heard that the VIA chipset can be troublesome. > > > > I wanted to hear from some of you all, who's opinions I value, on your > > own experiences good or bad with motherboards and chipsets. Which > > ones to look at and which to avoid all together. > > = > > Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com > > . > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® > http://movies.yahoo.com/ > ___ > Linux-users mailing list - > http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users > Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above > URL. > > ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Motherboards and chipsets with Linux
Yes, VIA has a very uneven track record. I've never heard of ECS, so i can't comment on them. I know that Intel makes decent boards, although nothing stellar. I've always had good results from Tyan. --- Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I am going to be building me a new PC here soon and I was wondering if > anyone out there has some advice on which motherboards and/or chipsets > that should be avoided or cause problems. I am hoping to get a P4 or > AMD XP with a low end clock speed so I have the option to plug a > higher powered chip in it later. > > A google search revealed some issues about ECS(?) motherboards and I > think I've heard that the VIA chipset can be troublesome. > > I wanted to hear from some of you all, who's opinions I value, on your > own experiences good or bad with motherboards and chipsets. Which > ones to look at and which to avoid all together. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
