Re: SCO fizzles
burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] 25 Aug 2003 17:05:28 -0400 On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 11:42, Stuart Biggerstaff wrote: And they have also bought SCO licensing that it didn't really look like they need. When was that and for what? Right about the same time Micro$oft paid SCO for IP license rights, Sun also plunked down a few million for the same thing. The news got swallowed up on the linux forums because M$ paid money. Sun was right in there. (I can't remember if it was $4.5 or $2 million but it was to license new stuff over and above their existing contracts.) -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On 08/24/03 13:02, Alma J Wetzker wrote: My guess is that they are not as involved as we would like to believe. Much as SCO's blathering is to the benefit of M$, I don't think they are orchestrating it. Sun is also a backer of SCO with _LOTS_ to lose if linux catches on. Remember that Caldera was birthed by a lawsuit with M$ over DR-DOS not working with Windoze. (They won for big bucks.) Sun is between a rock and a hard place right now, as they despise M$, yet fear Linux. They're not sure whether they want to fight a two fronted war at the moment, so they're riding the fence. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 4:25pm up 9 days, 4:52, 1 user, load average: 0.94, 0.73, 0.35 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO fizzles
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 16:02, Alma J Wetzker wrote: My guess is that they are not as involved as we would like to believe. Much as SCO's blathering is to the benefit of M$, I don't think they are orchestrating it. Sun is also a backer of SCO with _LOTS_ to lose if linux catches on. Remember that Caldera was birthed by a lawsuit with M$ over DR-DOS not working with Windoze. (They won for big bucks.) I just can't see where logic would lead you to believe that Sun is more likely than MS to be in cahoots with SCO. The available indications, albeit circumstantial, point in exactly the opposite direction. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 19:27, Net Llama! wrote: Sun is between a rock and a hard place right now, as they despise M$, yet fear Linux. They're not sure whether they want to fight a two fronted war at the moment, so they're riding the fence. I work a lot with Sun (but these opinions are mine). They have sat on the fence for years... even when they released Star Office for Linux, they still refused to commit in broader terms to supporting the Linux environment. Behind the scenes Sun developers were contributing to Linux with the tacit approval of Sun managers. Sun views their niche to be a very large share of the mid-high end Enterprise market. This is not an area where Linux has been a strong threat. Sun would just as soon ignore Linux, or at best only dabble in it for amusement. However, there has been enough requests from clients that they can no longer ignore Linux and they are starting to come around. Sun is now offering Linux systems. Sun is also allying with Linux and incorporating Linux elements in its forthcoming Sun business/corporate desktop - the one that Sun hopes will squeeze market share from Microsoft W2k and XP. From sun.com: Project Mad Hatter's interface is designed to be familiar to business desktop application users, which helps reduce training costs. The desktop also includes some features unique to Linux such as the Workspace Switcher in the lower right-hand corner that enables users to set up four different work spaces. (Does this look familiar? http://www.sun.com/2003-0805/feature/images/defaultevolution_scrnshot_081803.jpg) OTOH, Sun absolutely despises Microsoft... and that extends right up to their CEO, Scott McNealy. I suspect Sun sees Linux as an emerging low-cost complementary alternative that they need to get a piece of. They see Microsoft, however, as a direct predatory threat to Sun's existence. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 20:45, burns wrote: big snip Sorry to follow my own post, but forgot to include these additional links - if you think that Sun is playing footsie with MS (or SCO), check these out: http://www.sun.com/executives/perspectives/re-town.html http://wwws.sun.com/software/cover/2002-0918/index.html -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Sun, Aug 24, 2003, Net Llama! wrote: On 08/24/03 13:02, Alma J Wetzker wrote: My guess is that they are not as involved as we would like to believe. Much as SCO's blathering is to the benefit of M$, I don't think they are orchestrating it. Sun is also a backer of SCO with _LOTS_ to lose if linux catches on. Remember that Caldera was birthed by a lawsuit with M$ over DR-DOS not working with Windoze. (They won for big bucks.) Sun is between a rock and a hard place right now, as they despise M$, yet fear Linux. They're not sure whether they want to fight a two fronted war at the moment, so they're riding the fence. Sun also bought Cobalt which had some pretty decent commodity web applicances that ran a somewhat basterdized Red Hat. Unfortunately they really haven't supported them, and I haven't seen anything special about Sun's current Linux offerings. It seems to me that Sun's major competition now is Linux on IBM mainframes. The numbers I've seen show significant savings with large server applications when using the mainframes running multiple Linux sessions (in the 10s of thousands of Linux systems on a single mainframe). When one is working with that class of systems the physical plant becomes very important, not to mention the support issues. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Systems, Inc. UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself. -- Mark Twain ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On 08/24/03 17:45, burns wrote: Sun is now offering Linux systems. Sun is also allying with Linux and incorporating Linux elements in its forthcoming Sun business/corporate desktop - the one that Sun hopes will squeeze market share from Microsoft W2k and XP. From sun.com: Project Mad Hatter's interface is designed to be familiar to business desktop application users, which helps reduce training costs. The desktop also includes some features unique to Linux such as the Workspace Switcher in the lower right-hand corner that enables users to set up four different work spaces. (Does this look familiar? http://www.sun.com/2003-0805/feature/images/defaultevolution_scrnshot_081803.jpg) Yea, i saw Sun's Madd Hatter box at Linuxworld, and inquired about it. Its nothing more than a souped up Gnome environment. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 7:05pm up 9 days, 7:32, 1 user, load average: 0.31, 0.12, 0.03 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On 24 Aug 2003 20:45:45 -0400 burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 19:27, Net Llama! wrote: Sun is between a rock and a hard place right now, as they despise M$, yet fear Linux. They're not sure whether they want to fight a two fronted war at the moment, so they're riding the fence. Sun views their niche to be a very large share of the mid-high end Enterprise market. This is not an area where Linux has been a strong threat. Underline has not been. This is now changing due to the IBM effort. Any company large enough to consider IBM Z series mainframes is going to think twice about the headaches of running a traditional server farm of unix or linux boxes. The simplicities of scaling up processing power as needed and the ability to run thousands of server images on a Z series with not much more effort than a handful is going to eat Sun's lunch in its traditional, profitable mid-high-end niche -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Sun, Aug 24, 2003, Collins Richey wrote: On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:06:39 -0700 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08/24/03 17:45, burns wrote: enables users to set up four different work spaces. (Does this look familiar? http://www.sun.com/2003-0805/feature/images/defaultevolution_scrnshot_081803.jpg) Only four work spaces? I generally have 10 running under xfce or the kde bloatware -- even under OS X. This page that I put together for a local OS X SIG meeting shows my desktop on OS X running xfce, with several x-clients which are running on various Linux boxen on our LAN. I sorta like the gimp where it's showing the screen capture of the shot that's on the page. The X-Windows part of the desktop is virtually identical with what I'm running on my SuSE 8.2 system (this was done about a year ago, and now I'm running the same Maui sunrise on OS X that I have on Linux. http://support.celestial.com/doc/osx/ Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``the purpose of government is to reign in the rights of the people'' -Bill Clinton during an interview on MTV in 1993 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO fizzles
On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 22:59, Collins Richey wrote: Any company large enough to consider IBM Z series mainframes is going to think twice about the headaches of running a traditional server farm of unix or linux boxes. The simplicities of scaling up processing power as needed and the ability to run thousands of server images on a Z series with not much more effort than a handful is going to eat Sun's lunch in its traditional, profitable mid-high-end niche That's not the way we're seeing it unfold, although it makes some sense and I'm sure IBM would love it. In terms of upfront roll-out costs mainframes make sense, especially where business are looking for high uptimes (e.g. five 9's). However, there are still a huge number of dedicated Sun shops out there, especially amongst those corporations that are not willing to out-source lock, stock and barrel to IBM. Mainframes are nice, but like HP inkjet cartridges, IBM makes its money on professional services, outsourcing and support... and it is *muy* expensive and it definitely limits your non-IBM up-stream options. But like the man says, it's all about choice and, until MS gets its way, there will continue to be choices in approach to enterprise architecture and resourcing... and that's a good thing. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24 Aug 2003 20:14:38 -0400 On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 16:02, Alma J Wetzker wrote: My guess is that they are not as involved as we would like to believe. Much as SCO's blathering is to the benefit of M$, I don't think they are orchestrating it. Sun is also a backer of SCO with _LOTS_ to lose if linux catches on. Remember that Caldera was birthed by a lawsuit with M$ over DR-DOS not working with Windoze. (They won for big bucks.) I just can't see where logic would lead you to believe that Sun is more likely than MS to be in cahoots with SCO. The available indications, albeit circumstantial, point in exactly the opposite direction. Sloppy language, sorry. I really don't think either company is involved other than giving $$$ to SCO. To me it looks like the razor cuts to SCO's arrogance and stupidity without any help from an outside source. (Other than cheers.) -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Well, let's see: Microsoft benefits by what SCO is doing, but a big part of the origin of Caldera was a successful lawsuit against them. Also, they had a big chunk of old SCO and dumped it as worthless--making them look foolish if the current management has found the magic bullet to kill Linux, while Microsoft couldn't see it. Also, Microsoft gets GPL. They don't like it, but they get it. But they threw money at SCO for licensing they really didn't need. Sun has made some noises similar to what SCO has, about paying for their (Linux) products to avoid IP issues. They seem somewhat in favor of open source, but apparently have some inclination to co-opt same. And they have also bought SCO licensing that it didn't really look like they need. And then there's the lawyer whose head office is in--ahem--Armonk, NY. And apparently has had past dealings with IBM. And this crap started just after SCO hired him... Who's the villain? At 04:50 AM 8/25/03 -0500, Alma J Wetzker wrote: burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24 Aug 2003 20:14:38 -0400 On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 16:02, Alma J Wetzker wrote: My guess is that they are not as involved as we would like to believe. Much as SCO's blathering is to the benefit of M$, I don't think they are orchestrating it. Sun is also a backer of SCO with _LOTS_ to lose if linux catches on. Remember that Caldera was birthed by a lawsuit with M$ over DR-DOS not working with Windoze. (They won for big bucks.) I just can't see where logic would lead you to believe that Sun is more likely than MS to be in cahoots with SCO. The available indications, albeit circumstantial, point in exactly the opposite direction. Sloppy language, sorry. I really don't think either company is involved other than giving $$$ to SCO. To me it looks like the razor cuts to SCO's arrogance and stupidity without any help from an outside source. (Other than cheers.) -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Stuart Biggerstaff Linda Hall Library of Science Engineering Technology 5109 Cherry St. Kansas City, MO 64110 Phone: (816) 926-8748 (800) 662-1545 x748 FAX:(816) 926-8785 URL:www.lindahall.org ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO fizzles
Quoth Collins Richey: On 24 Aug 2003 20:45:45 -0400 Sun views their niche to be a very large share of the mid-high end Enterprise market. This is not an area where Linux has been a strong threat. Underline has not been. This is now changing due to the IBM effort. Any company large enough to consider IBM Z series mainframes is going to think twice about the headaches of running a traditional server farm of unix or linux boxes. The simplicities of scaling up processing power as needed and the ability to run thousands of server images on a Z series with not much more effort than a handful is going to eat Sun's lunch in its traditional, profitable mid-high-end niche The simplicities are only simple for those shops that already have big iron expertise on staff. For everyone else, simplicity is buying another box and adding it to the server farm. Kurt -- It's better to be wanted for murder that not to be wanted at all. -- Marty Winch ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:42:13 -0500, Stuart Biggerstaff wrote: Well, let's see: Microsoft benefits by what SCO is doing, but a big part of the origin of Caldera was a successful lawsuit against them. Also, they had a big chunk of old SCO and dumped it as worthless--making them look foolish if the current management has found the magic bullet to kill Linux, while Microsoft couldn't see it. Also, Microsoft gets GPL. They don't like it, but they get it. But they threw money at SCO for licensing they really didn't need. Sun has made some noises similar to what SCO has, about paying for their (Linux) products to avoid IP issues. They seem somewhat in favor of open source, but apparently have some inclination to co-opt same. And they have also bought SCO licensing that it didn't really look like they need. And then there's the lawyer whose head office is in--ahem--Armonk, NY. And apparently has had past dealings with IBM. And this crap started just after SCO hired him... Who's the villain? Oh, that's an easy one: all of them :) Federico Voges Socio gerente Intrasoft Tel/Fax: 54-11-4833-5182 Malabia 2137 14 A e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C1425EZC) Buenos Aires Web: http://www.intrasoft.com.ar Argentina ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 11:42, Stuart Biggerstaff wrote: And they have also bought SCO licensing that it didn't really look like they need. When was that and for what? -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:08:36 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoth Collins Richey: On 24 Aug 2003 20:45:45 -0400 Sun views their niche to be a very large share of the mid-high end Enterprise market. This is not an area where Linux has been a strong threat. Underline has not been. This is now changing due to the IBM effort. Any company large enough to consider IBM Z series mainframes is going to think twice about the headaches of running a traditional server farm of unix or linux boxes. The simplicities of scaling up processing power as needed and the ability to run thousands of server images on a Z series with not much more effort than a handful is going to eat Sun's lunch in its traditional, profitable mid-high-end niche The simplicities are only simple for those shops that already have big iron expertise on staff. For everyone else, simplicity is buying another box and adding it to the server farm. Quite true. That's why I started out with companies large enough to consider Z series mainframes, and of course I omitted to say staff with expertise. Most of the conversion stories I hear are companies that are already running big iron for their accounting apps, etc., and who want to maximize the already considerable investment in iron and staff. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Oops. I may have overstated. I guess it's possible SCO might have had some better drivers for Intel than Sun already was using when they made this deal. http://news.com.com/2100-1016-1024633.html http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/21894.html At 05:05 PM 8/25/03 -0400, burns wrote: On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 11:42, Stuart Biggerstaff wrote: And they have also bought SCO licensing that it didn't really look like they need. When was that and for what? -- burns Stuart Biggerstaff Linda Hall Library of Science Engineering Technology 5109 Cherry St. Kansas City, MO 64110 Phone: (816) 926-8748 (800) 662-1545 x748 FAX:(816) 926-8785 URL:www.lindahall.org ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Mon, Aug 25, 2003, Stuart Biggerstaff wrote: Oops. I may have overstated. I guess it's possible SCO might have had some better drivers for Intel than Sun already was using when they made this deal. SCO was one of the prime movers behind the UDI (Universal Driver Interface) effort before Caldera purchased the original SCO. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ A Galileo could no more be elected president of the United States than he could be elected Pope of Rome. Both high posts are reserved for men favored by God with an extraordinary genius for swathing the bitter facts of life in bandages of self-illusion. -- H. L. Mencken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Collins Richey wrote: On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 23:42:54 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoth Joel Hammer: Do you think SCO is pulling a typical lawyers trick? Trying to pollute the jury pool? Anybody who is remotely aware of technical issues will hear all about these issues long before the trial, thus making them ineligible for the jury. Maybe. But I can't honestly say I understand *what* they're doing. I'm not even confident *SCO* knows what they're doing. I'm confident that *SCO* doesn't know WTF they're doing! No one with an iota of sense would take on IBM and their team of lawyers. A month ago I made the same comment, sorta. I've got a friend who worked for ATT maybe 20 years ago until fairly recently. When the Govt. went after them they sent 5 trainlosads of paper to 'em. While the individual jerks at M$ have money, I bet the pockets of IBM are deeper than the M$ company's. Microsloth may, even, have to sell or make more stock to sell to keep this thing alive. As someone said follow the money if it's worth it, IBM has the money. Money buys attorneys. Let's all hope IBM stays with it. I'm old and wise enough to realize right doesn't always win! Bob ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Quoth Bill Campbell: On Fri, Aug 22, 2003, Kurt Wall wrote: ... Which pretty much removes ESR and RMS from the running. :-) That said, self-promotion notwithstanding, ESR is very good at making complex technical issues clear. However, this is not about complex _technical_ issues, but, rather, about IBM's alleged contract violoations. SCOs trial-by-press-release is calcualated attempt to cloud the core legal issue: did IBM subvert the contract or not? Lawyers and judges in the U.S. today really don't want people on the juries who are bright enough to understand how they're being manipulated. They most certainly don't want people who understand jury nullifcation. So, I don't have to worry about being called to jury duty. It appears to me that the SCO folks like Darl may be trying to establish a possible insanity defense if they're ever charged with attempting to manipulate their stock price. Their most recent charges that IBM is orchestrating the opposition is about the most ridiculous thing I've heard in ages. Come to think of it though, this may be an indication that it really is Microsoft that's behind much of SCO's posturing considering that it was found that M$ was in fact paying people to write letters to the editor and similar activities during their anti-trust trials. Yup, SCO's charge that IBM is the puppetmaster pulling the strings was a clear sign that someone hasn't been taking their medication regularly or in a strong enough dosage. Nonetheless, it was the funniest thing I've heard yet. Kurt -- I have great faith in fools -- self confidence my friends call it. -- Edgar Allan Poe ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 15:21, Bill Campbell wrote: snip It appears to me that the SCO folks like Darl may be trying to establish a possible insanity defense if they're ever charged with attempting to manipulate their stock price. Their most recent charges that IBM is orchestrating the opposition is about the most ridiculous thing I've heard in ages. Come to think of it though, this may be an indication that it really is Microsoft that's behind much of SCO's posturing considering that it was found that M$ was in fact paying people to write letters to the editor and similar activities during their anti-trust trials. snip An insanity defense makes a certain amount of sense. Perhaps, however, the recent lunatic ravings of Darl McBride to the SCO forum members that IBM is orchestrating the open source response to the SCO -v- IBM suit may have a less obvious purpose - a first strike to divert attention away from the puppeteers at Microsoft who are pulling SCO's strings, i.e. lie first, lie loud, lie often and repeatedly, and chances are good - well, you get the picture. Out of curiosity, except for a few reports of cash infusions for useless licenses and outdated tech, there seems to have been a fair amount of silence on the MS/SCO connection. Any ideas why? - Rich Thompson ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Quoth Richard Thompson: [deletia] An insanity defense makes a certain amount of sense. Perhaps, however, the recent lunatic ravings of Darl McBride to the SCO forum members that IBM is orchestrating the open source response to the SCO -v- IBM suit may have a less obvious purpose - a first strike to divert attention away from the puppeteers at Microsoft who are pulling SCO's strings, i.e. lie first, lie loud, lie often and repeatedly, and chances are good - well, you get the picture. Out of curiosity, except for a few reports of cash infusions for useless licenses and outdated tech, there seems to have been a fair amount of silence on the MS/SCO connection. Any ideas why? Very little solid evidence on which to base an article. Suspicions are strong but, just yet, there's nothing there there. With the spotlight of anti-trust shining on them, Microsoft must move cautiously. They will undoubtedly make a misstep sooner or later. Kurt -- If a 6600 used paper tape instead of core memory, it would use up tape at about 30 miles/second. -- Grishman, Assembly Language Programming ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Richard Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Aug 2003 18:13:13 -0800 On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 15:21, Bill Campbell wrote: snip It appears to me that the SCO folks like Darl may be trying to establish a possible insanity defense if they're ever charged with attempting to manipulate their stock price. Their most recent charges that IBM is orchestrating the opposition is about the most ridiculous thing I've heard in ages. Come to think of it though, this may be an indication that it really is Microsoft that's behind much of SCO's posturing considering that it was found that M$ was in fact paying people to write letters to the editor and similar activities during their anti-trust trials. snip An insanity defense makes a certain amount of sense. Perhaps, however, the recent lunatic ravings of Darl McBride to the SCO forum members that IBM is orchestrating the open source response to the SCO -v- IBM suit may have a less obvious purpose - a first strike to divert attention away from the puppeteers at Microsoft who are pulling SCO's strings, i.e. lie first, lie loud, lie often and repeatedly, and chances are good - well, you get the picture. Out of curiosity, except for a few reports of cash infusions for useless licenses and outdated tech, there seems to have been a fair amount of silence on the MS/SCO connection. Any ideas why? My guess is that they are not as involved as we would like to believe. Much as SCO's blathering is to the benefit of M$, I don't think they are orchestrating it. Sun is also a backer of SCO with _LOTS_ to lose if linux catches on. Remember that Caldera was birthed by a lawsuit with M$ over DR-DOS not working with Windoze. (They won for big bucks.) The current SCO management does not seem to have a clue how the industry works. That plus equal parts greed and stupidity are sufficient reason for their actions and claims. Much as I _WANT_ M$ to be involved and, more importantly, caught driving this thing it is a far simpler explanation that Darl and Co. are incompetent and want to drive their stock value up anyway. Think about it. They are not old men. Where are they ever going to work as executives again? -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Sunday 24 August 2003 01:02 pm, Alma J Wetzker wrote: Richard Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23 Aug 2003 18:13:13 -0800 On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 15:21, Bill Campbell wrote: snip The current SCO management does not seem to have a clue how the industry works. That plus equal parts greed and stupidity are sufficient reason for their actions and claims. Much as I _WANT_ M$ to be involved and, more importantly, caught driving this thing it is a far simpler explanation that Darl and Co. are incompetent and want to drive their stock value up anyway. Think about it. They are not old men. Where are they ever going to work as executives again? Microsoft?? -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd Rather Be Sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Fri, Aug 22, 2003, Kurt Wall wrote: ... Which pretty much removes ESR and RMS from the running. :-) That said, self-promotion notwithstanding, ESR is very good at making complex technical issues clear. However, this is not about complex _technical_ issues, but, rather, about IBM's alleged contract violoations. SCOs trial-by-press-release is calcualated attempt to cloud the core legal issue: did IBM subvert the contract or not? Lawyers and judges in the U.S. today really don't want people on the juries who are bright enough to understand how they're being manipulated. They most certainly don't want people who understand jury nullifcation. It appears to me that the SCO folks like Darl may be trying to establish a possible insanity defense if they're ever charged with attempting to manipulate their stock price. Their most recent charges that IBM is orchestrating the opposition is about the most ridiculous thing I've heard in ages. Come to think of it though, this may be an indication that it really is Microsoft that's behind much of SCO's posturing considering that it was found that M$ was in fact paying people to write letters to the editor and similar activities during their anti-trust trials. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Systems, Inc. UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it -- Ronald Reagan ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Collins Richey wrote: | http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/smoking-fizzle.html | | I hope this means that the demise of SCO will come RSN! | I sincerely hope that ESR is called in as an expert witness. His mannerisms in calmly pointing out the flaws in the argument, as well as some possible sticking points (which are still quite trivial) could be a great asset against SCO. The word will slay the SCO beast, not the sword. (And SCO has spoken) What's next? Self immolation in the middle of the street? - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 9:33pm up 3 days, 20:37, 8 users, load average: 3.03, 3.39, 3.34 - - genealogy, n.: An account of one's descent from an ancestor who did not particularly care to trace his own. -- Ambrose Bierce - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/RZNJidHQ0m/kEssRAmAYAJ4nUfXbyhTaAGkloNp9ObpqEgBc1QCeIFot 0DMFfCM0YQLQqq6a/xkggIw= =Djyi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Thu, Aug 21, 2003, Andrew Mathews wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Collins Richey wrote: ... I sincerely hope that ESR is called in as an expert witness. His mannerisms in calmly pointing out the flaws in the argument, as well as some possible sticking points (which are still quite trivial) could be a great asset against SCO. The word will slay the SCO beast, not the sword. (And SCO has spoken) What's next? Self immolation in the middle of the street? I think it would be very interesting if people like Doug Michels and Dion Johnson were required to testify. Doug has already said in fairly strong terms that he doesn't approve of the current SCO's actions. Who knows what kind of termination agreements the ex-sco folks had to sign when they left the company. I think it's safe to say that some were paid well to keep their mouths shut after they left SCO. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees.'' -President Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Speaking of publishing code, I have a very interesting book called The Magic Garden Explained: The Internals of UNIX System V Release 4. An Open Systems Design, by Berny Goodheart and James Cox. This book explains very much how many of the relevant parts of the SVr4 kernel work. Quite detailed in places. The code snippets are written not as C code, but regular English. However, there are in many places function names and variables. They present understandable descriptions of many algorithms, as well as how all the parts interact. Good reading for anyone who wants to understand good kernel design. This book presents a curious dilemma for SCO: their complaint is that their IP rights have been violated. Are they complaining about the algorithms, the specific implementation of the algorithms, or both? Given that The Magic Garden explains many SVr4 algorithms (e.g, from the book: Figure 3.26: Algorithm for pageout(), or Figure 3.34: Algorithm for kmem_alloc()), without complaint from ATT/Novell/SCO, publication of those must be OK. These algorithms are written like C functions, telling what happens at each step. It is just this side of being actual C code. So, it must be only the specific implementation of the algorithm that is the problem, not the fact that the algorithm is used. If SCO were to publish the violating code, it seems it would be only to change the C code, keeping the algorithm. That is a simple task compared to having to invent a new algorithm. Given thatThe Magic Garden describes the algorithms, it must be possible for Linux to keep them. Even for the things SCO claims are in the kernel that are not in this book, the precedent that it is not the algorithm but the specific C code must still apply, making C code modifications permissible here as well. Anyone snapping up those UnixWare at the cost of UnitedLinux offerings? On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:21:49 -0600 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/smoking-fizzle.html I hope this means that the demise of SCO will come RSN! -- ++···+ · Roger Oberholtzer · E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]· · OPQ Systems AB · WWW: http://www.opq.se/ · · Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 ·Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 · · 115 34 Stockholm · Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 · · Sweden · Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 · ++···+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Quoth Andrew Mathews: sword. (And SCO has spoken) What's next? Self immolation in the middle of the street? We can only hope. Kurt -- Horngren's Observation: Among economists, the real world is often a special case. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:50:19 -0400 Yes, but what will the jury think? Joel On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 07:21:49PM -0600, Collins Richey wrote: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/smoking-fizzle.html That is the $3,000,000,000.00 question. It is a VERY safe bet that SCO will remove any juror that uses a computer, let alone can read code. So it all comes down to which expert witness is prettier. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On 08/22/03 07:48, Alma J Wetzker wrote: Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:50:19 -0400 Yes, but what will the jury think? Joel On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 07:21:49PM -0600, Collins Richey wrote: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/smoking-fizzle.html That is the $3,000,000,000.00 question. It is a VERY safe bet that SCO will remove any juror that uses a computer, let alone can read code. So it all comes down to which expert witness is prettier. if so, ESR is _not_ the (wo)man for the job. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 8:10am up 6 days, 20:37, 1 user, load average: 0.20, 0.19, 0.10 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Quoth Alma J Wetzker: Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:50:19 -0400 Yes, but what will the jury think? Joel On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 07:21:49PM -0600, Collins Richey wrote: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/smoking-fizzle.html That is the $3,000,000,000.00 question. It is a VERY safe bet that SCO will remove any juror that uses a computer, let alone can read code. So it all comes down to which expert witness is prettier. Which pretty much removes ESR and RMS from the running. :-) That said, self-promotion notwithstanding, ESR is very good at making complex technical issues clear. However, this is not about complex _technical_ issues, but, rather, about IBM's alleged contract violoations. SCOs trial-by-press-release is calcualated attempt to cloud the core legal issue: did IBM subvert the contract or not? Kurt -- Entropy isn't what it used to be. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Alma J Wetzker: Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:50:19 -0400 Yes, but what will the jury think? Joel On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 07:21:49PM -0600, Collins Richey wrote: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/smoking-fizzle.html That is the $3,000,000,000.00 question. It is a VERY safe bet that SCO will remove any juror that uses a computer, let alone can read code. So it all comes down to which expert witness is prettier. Which pretty much removes ESR and RMS from the running. :-) That said, self-promotion notwithstanding, ESR is very good at making complex technical issues clear. However, this is not about complex _technical_ issues, but, rather, about IBM's alleged contract violoations. SCOs trial-by-press-release is calcualated attempt to cloud the core legal issue: did IBM subvert the contract or not? Kurt Aww Kurt, you and Lonnie just had to open your mouths... http://newsforge.com/newsforge/03/08/22/1746248.shtml?tid=19 Well, now you both done it ! So, I guess when ESR goes to court, the sxs.org group led by Mr. A. Mathews will force you both to shave his legs for his court appearance when he testifies [ I can't do it, I still wanna live. The mere visualization of that event makes me wanna hurl... ] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:21:49 -0600 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/smoking-fizzle.html I hope this means that the demise of SCO will come RSN! I just had a thought. When this case self-destructs, the stockholders, like me, can file a class-action against the deep pockets behind the curtain, Billy boy. Mmmm... that could be sweet. -- --- | Alan K. Jackson| To see a World in a Grain of Sand | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | And a Heaven in a Wild Flower, | | www.ajackson.org | Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand | | Houston, Texas | And Eternity in an hour. - Blake | --- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Do you think SCO is pulling a typical lawyers trick? Trying to pollute the jury pool? Anybody who is remotely aware of technical issues will hear all about these issues long before the trial, thus making them ineligible for the jury. I recall well some years ago a big time criminal lawyer in New York City interviewed in the NY Times (I believe). He said in the interview his clients are always guilty. He never defends innocent clients. At the time I couldn't imagine why he would say that in a well read newspaper. Years later I finally realized why. Anybody who reads the NY Times could be disqualified from the jury. That would remove most intelligent, educated people from his juries in NY city. Nice trick. I also realize now the NY Times should never had allowed themselves to be used in this way. Joel ROn Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 07:10:13PM -0400, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Alma J Wetzker: Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:50:19 -0400 Yes, but what will the jury think? Joel On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 07:21:49PM -0600, Collins Richey wrote: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/smoking-fizzle.html That is the $3,000,000,000.00 question. It is a VERY safe bet that SCO will remove any juror that uses a computer, let alone can read code. So it all comes down to which expert witness is prettier. Which pretty much removes ESR and RMS from the running. :-) That said, self-promotion notwithstanding, ESR is very good at making complex technical issues clear. However, this is not about complex _technical_ issues, but, rather, about IBM's alleged contract violoations. SCOs trial-by-press-release is calcualated attempt to cloud the core legal issue: did IBM subvert the contract or not? Kurt -- Entropy isn't what it used to be. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Alma J Wetzker wrote: Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:50:19 -0400 Joel On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 07:21:49PM -0600, Collins Richey wrote: That is the $3,000,000,000.00 question. It is a VERY safe bet that SCO will remove any juror that uses a computer, let alone can read code. So it all comes down to which expert witness is prettier. -- Alma Jeepers!! If the jury is all young women, I have to be the best expert witness possible!! Bob ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Tom Marinis wrote: http://newsforge.com/newsforge/03/08/22/1746248.shtml?tid=19 After reading that, all I can say is: Bravo ESR! And Good Hunting. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Quoth Alan Jackson: On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:21:49 -0600 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/smoking-fizzle.html I hope this means that the demise of SCO will come RSN! I just had a thought. When this case self-destructs, the stockholders, like me, can file a class-action against the deep pockets behind the curtain, Billy boy. Mmmm... that could be sweet. And you'll get what? $500 in Monopoly money? Kurt -- I see a good deal of talk from Washington about lowering taxes. I hope they do get 'em lowered enough so people can afford to pay 'em. -- Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom Marinis wrote: [...] | | Aww Kurt, you and Lonnie just had to open your mouths... | | | http://newsforge.com/newsforge/03/08/22/1746248.shtml?tid=19 | | | Well, now you both done it ! | | So, I guess when ESR goes to court, the sxs.org group | led by Mr. A. Mathews will force you both | to shave his legs for his court appearance when he testifies Eeew. I think his hairy legs are safe for the moment. | [ I can't do it, I still wanna live. The mere visualization | of that event makes me wanna hurl... ] | Now that you mention it, have you noticed the similarities between Llama and Linus Torvalds? Llama: http://www.linux-works.org/sxs/bio/lonni_friedman_bio.html Linus: http://www.zejack.com/perso/linus/linus_en.php3 Scary isn't it? - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 8:46pm up 4 days, 19:47, 10 users, load average: 2.98, 3.06, 3.12 - - positron router malfunction - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/RtxWidHQ0m/kEssRAjK2AJ4liPslSvjbaCYRhsMwIm67jxWgNwCfSjvI xtQ4JdDYiA7ClsQrj90+4RA= =u24y -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Quoth Tom Marinis: Aww Kurt, you and Lonnie just had to open your mouths... I can't speak for Llama, but I've been restrained. http://newsforge.com/newsforge/03/08/22/1746248.shtml?tid=19 Another ESR screed. So, I guess when ESR goes to court, the sxs.org group led by Mr. A. Mathews will force you both to shave his legs for his court appearance when he testifies Assuming They haven't gottem me with their orbital mind control lasers. Kurt -- Pardon this fortune. Database under reconstruction. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Quoth Joel Hammer: Do you think SCO is pulling a typical lawyers trick? Trying to pollute the jury pool? Anybody who is remotely aware of technical issues will hear all about these issues long before the trial, thus making them ineligible for the jury. Maybe. But I can't honestly say I understand *what* they're doing. I'm not even confident *SCO* knows what they're doing. [...] Kurt -- Fortune's Fictitious Country Song Title of the Week: How Can I Miss You if You Won't Go Away? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Tom Marinis: Aww Kurt, you and Lonnie just had to open your mouths... I can't speak for Llama, but I've been restrained. Ah, I understand now. Your married :) http://newsforge.com/newsforge/03/08/22/1746248.shtml?tid=19 Another ESR screed. So, I guess when ESR goes to court, the sxs.org group led by Mr. A. Mathews will force you both to shave his legs for his court appearance when he testifies Assuming They haven't gottem me with their orbital mind control lasers. Gee, I didn't realize just how innovative and modest this group really was. :) ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Andrew Mathews wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom Marinis wrote: [...] | | Aww Kurt, you and Lonnie just had to open your mouths... | | | http://newsforge.com/newsforge/03/08/22/1746248.shtml?tid=19 | | | Well, now you both done it ! | | So, I guess when ESR goes to court, the sxs.org group | led by Mr. A. Mathews will force you both | to shave his legs for his court appearance when he testifies Eeew. I think his hairy legs are safe for the moment. I don't want to even think about it. It was Lonnie who mentioned the skirt... | [ I can't do it, I still wanna live. The mere visualization | of that event makes me wanna hurl... ] | Now that you mention it, have you noticed the similarities between Llama and Linus Torvalds? Llama: http://www.linux-works.org/sxs/bio/lonni_friedman_bio.html Linus: http://www.zejack.com/perso/linus/linus_en.php3 Scary isn't it? ROTFL !!! Very scary... Damn, I forgot how cruel you could get, I shouldn't have said anything... :) - -- Andrew Mathews ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 23:42:54 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoth Joel Hammer: Do you think SCO is pulling a typical lawyers trick? Trying to pollute the jury pool? Anybody who is remotely aware of technical issues will hear all about these issues long before the trial, thus making them ineligible for the jury. Maybe. But I can't honestly say I understand *what* they're doing. I'm not even confident *SCO* knows what they're doing. I'm confident that *SCO* doesn't know WTF they're doing! No one with an iota of sense would take on IBM and their team of lawyers. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On 08/22/03 20:15, Andrew Mathews wrote: Now that you mention it, have you noticed the similarities between Llama and Linus Torvalds? Llama: http://www.linux-works.org/sxs/bio/lonni_friedman_bio.html Linus: http://www.zejack.com/perso/linus/linus_en.php3 Scary isn't it? errr...yea, right. if i was of scandanavian origin, and about 10 years older. -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 9:35pm up 7 days, 10:02, 1 user, load average: 0.06, 0.06, 0.16 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/smoking-fizzle.html I hope this means that the demise of SCO will come RSN! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Yes, but what will the jury think? Joel On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 07:21:49PM -0600, Collins Richey wrote: http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/smoking-fizzle.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
