Re: SAMBA stopped working after a system crash
I think smbd is running. The STATUS..LCK file is not used with samba when you compile from sources, so, it much be something in the samba startup script. Everything you show: 1. Address in use 2. netstat -a 3. messages 4. log.smb All indicate that samba is running. Try netstat -ap | grep bios and see if you get: tcp 0 0 *:netbios-ssn *:* LISTEN 1458/smbd Joel On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 08:32:05PM -0800, Gerry Snyder wrote: > I need help. For over a year I have been running SAMBA 2.05a under > RedHat 6.1 (kernel 2.2.x) without problem. Then a couple days ago a > power glitch crashed my system (UPS not powerful enough any more). Now > SAMBA is not running. Here are the symptoms: > > As RedHat is starting up, both smbd and nmbd are listed as successful. > > /var/log/messages indicates: > > Dec 30 13:19:45 we-24-126-201-41 smb: smbd startup succeeded > Dec 30 13:19:45 we-24-126-201-41 smb: nmbd startup succeeded > > The Samba web administration tool shows that Samba could not open the > STATUS..LCK file. I touched that file and made it world everything. The > error message went away the next time I hit the Start smbd button, but > it didn't start. > > /var/log/samba/log.smb shows: > > [2001/12/30 13:19:44, 1] smbd/server.c:main(628) > smbd version 2.0.5a started. > Copyright Andrew Tridgell 1992-1998 > [2001/12/30 13:19:44, 1] smbd/files.c:file_init(216) > file_init: Information only: requested 1 open files, 1014 are > available. > [2001/12/30 13:19:45, 0] lib/util_sock.c:open_socket_in(886) > bind failed on port 139 socket_addr=0.0.0.0 (Address already in use) > > I suspect that this is the real problem, but I don't know what to do > about it. I keep getting the same address in use error with all further > tries to start. I tried netstat. > > netstat -a does not show anything else listening on port 139 > specifically, and looking for netbios connections gave: > > # netstat -a | grep netbios > tcp0 0 192.168.40.:netbios-ssn *:* > LISTEN > udp0 0 192.168.1.1:netbios-dgm > *:* > udp0 0 192.168.1.11:netbios-ns > *:* > udp0 0 *:netbios-dgm > *:* > udp0 0 *:netbios-ns > *:* > udp0 0 192.168.40.:netbios-dgm > *:* > udp0 0 192.168.40.1:netbios-ns > *:* > udp0 0 *:netbios-dgm > *:* > udp0 0 *:netbios-ns > *:* > > Anyone have a guess as to what a system crash could have done to cause > these symptoms, and what I can do to recover? > ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: christmas and its HOT!
On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:59:55 +1000 Keith Antoine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 02 January 2002 02:20 am, Collins Richey observed: > > Skippy, eat your heart out! > > > > While you're sweating in 30 deg + swelter and NSW is burning, I'm freezing > > in Denver. > > Its humid and and 34C inside the house, the way I feel at the moment I would > love to cool down. Primarily because the drugs I am on interfer with my body > thermostat so I feel worse than it is. > > We are as you say seeing the terrible effects of, nil humidity and strong > winds, on Sydney as the outer suburbs burn. As of now the danger is > increasing and there are some 80-100 fires burning in and around Sydney, some > 50% of which have been lits by fire bugs. The number of homes lost are > increasing and the last I heard was about 150. This of course has been going > since just before Xmas day. Victoria and Queensland have sent firefighters to > assist about 75% of all on the frontline are volunteers. I am also sure that > you have people in the States who build in wooded areas too. Eucalypts are > a real fire hazzard though. > > > On the coldest day thus far, my central heating furnace has failed. I've > > got all the lights on and my computers and the oven for a little residual > > warmth. Up from 60 deg F. internal to 65 deg in the past hour. > > > > On top of all that, it's a white New Year's day. > > My wife will not allow me to empty the fride of food and sit > inside > > -- > Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' > 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 > Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage > > ___ > Linux-users mailing list > Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Skippy If we could store up some of this cold weather here and email it to you we would. I hope and I am sure many of us here in the states agree and hope the fires are extingished soon. No further loss of homes and such, you take care that the fires do not come your way or Les;s or anyone else we have on these list. Take care. cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: christmas and its HOT!
On Wednesday 02 January 2002 02:47 am, Burns MacDonald observed: > Like many, I was reluctant to change to metric. But I have to say that now > having done so, I rarely even think about the old units of measurement at In Australia when we went over with the currecy to $AUD from the pound AUD, we were also FORCED to also accept metric measures. We had no choices and yes there were problems but it has worked out for the best in the long run. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: christmas and its HOT!
On Wednesday 02 January 2002 02:20 am, Collins Richey observed: > Skippy, eat your heart out! > > While you're sweating in 30 deg + swelter and NSW is burning, I'm freezing > in Denver. Its humid and and 34C inside the house, the way I feel at the moment I would love to cool down. Primarily because the drugs I am on interfer with my body thermostat so I feel worse than it is. We are as you say seeing the terrible effects of, nil humidity and strong winds, on Sydney as the outer suburbs burn. As of now the danger is increasing and there are some 80-100 fires burning in and around Sydney, some 50% of which have been lits by fire bugs. The number of homes lost are increasing and the last I heard was about 150. This of course has been going since just before Xmas day. Victoria and Queensland have sent firefighters to assist about 75% of all on the frontline are volunteers. I am also sure that you have people in the States who build in wooded areas too. Eucalypts are a real fire hazzard though. > On the coldest day thus far, my central heating furnace has failed. I've > got all the lights on and my computers and the oven for a little residual > warmth. Up from 60 deg F. internal to 65 deg in the past hour. > > On top of all that, it's a white New Year's day. My wife will not allow me to empty the fride of food and sit inside -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
More Steps #2 Jan 2
USB -> Epson Scanner Howto (Jeff/Eugene) -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: A Happy New Year to all
On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:19, Collins Richey wrote: > Some of you, of course, are already at next year. Yep, I'm still catching up with what I did do tomorrow, that I'll have to postpone till yesterday. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: christmas and its HOT!
On Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:50, David A. Bandel wrote: > > a 'cable' is 200 yards > > a shackle is about 90 feet > > a fathom is 6 feet the speed of light is 123 million furlongs per fortnight. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
More Steps Jan 2
Fokks apologies for anything repeated here, I think New Year's Eve contributed to my confuzion. 2nd KDE -> Getting Rid of KDE1 (Bill's way) Bill Day FTP->Server (ammended) Linuxism PALMPILOT->(susan/alan) Bedtime Reading->Print Filters (Joel Hammer) usb->general-> change of url to linux-usb.org Bedtime Reading->Hardware driver API's and technical breifs (Mike Andrew) --->CDROM Kernel API --->CDROM Example C Code driver --->IEEE1284 Parallel Interface >LS120 Parallel Interface protocol >ZIP Parrallel Interface protocols 1st Bedtime Reading -> BASH Startup Process Scripts (Chris Kassopulo) -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Will they recommend LINUX????
On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:06:48 -0600 "R. Quenett"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > " > > Perhaps they'll urge Americans to switch to a safer OS ;-) > " > Not likely during the current administration. > " > " Or any other. > > Government doesn't _do_ 'open'. It's poisonous to the culture. > Fortunately, more and more foreign governments are reaching the conclusion that M$ is the poison. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: IT jobs Florida
On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 18:08:28 -0500 Randy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 01 January 2002 05:53 pm, you wrote: > > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:42:47 -0500 Randy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Any Floridians on the list? What does the IT sector look like down > > > there? This is my last northern winter. > > > > When I lived in Phoenix about 30 years ago, one of my co-workers at > > the bank was originally from Bangor, Maine. What finally triggered > > his move was the summer. The year before he bailed out, during the > > period about May 20 - Sept. 20, it rained from Friday 5pm to Monday > > 8am every single weekend. > I've been an insulin-dependent diabetic for 30 years and it's affected > the circulation in my feet. I can't tell if I have feet from October > till April. > Randy Donohoe Ugh, that makes my arthritis (I need dry climates) pale by comparison. Hope you reach a warmer haven soon! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Kwintv won't save channels anymore
--- Joel Hammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not as far as I can recall. > This is the only program acting funny. Try running an strace on it and see if it complains about a missing file or an attempt to write to something. Also, what does ldd have to say? Are any libraries that it needs missing? = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Kwintv won't save channels anymore
Not as far as I can recall. This is the only program acting funny. Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Kwintv won't save channels anymore
--- Joel Hammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have been using kwintv without trouble. > "Suddenly" it won't let me save my channels after I scan them. The > program > reports they are saved, but then seg faults and crashes. The sound > keeps > playing. > I tried upgrading to .84 but no change. 0.85 won't compile on my > machine. > Any insight appreciated. Did you make any changes to the programs that kwintv needs (like glibc, kde-libs etc)? = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Kwintv won't save channels anymore
I have been using kwintv without trouble. "Suddenly" it won't let me save my channels after I scan them. The program reports they are saved, but then seg faults and crashes. The sound keeps playing. I tried upgrading to .84 but no change. 0.85 won't compile on my machine. Any insight appreciated. Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Will they recommend LINUX????
" > > Perhaps they'll urge Americans to switch to a safer OS ;-) " > Not likely during the current administration. " " Or any other. Government doesn't _do_ 'open'. It's poisonous to the culture. R Ps.. a healthy and prosperous new year to all, and congrats and thanks to all involved in producing the sXs and its content.. impressive and useful r ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Standardization (was kde)
On January 01, Declan Moriarty enlightened our ignorance thusly: > Was it Ted Ozolins who wrote on Tuesday 01 January 2002 00:00: > > On Monday 31 December 2001 03:40 pm, you wrote: > > > --- Ted Ozolins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > are mandrake and elx the only distros that do not place kde in /opt > > > > ??? > > > > > > Redhat > > > > I wonder what happened to all the standardization that was being squacked > > about? > > > I can answer that one. They said: "LSB - Oh yes, we'll have to do that!" > Then they realised they had a standard the size of the Bible to read, and > more difficult to understand in places. So they said > > "We can't do all of that this release, but we're moving in that direction" > That gets them out of it for a few years. AFAIK only SuSe boasts a fully LSB > compliant distro. Did they write the standard? ;-) No, SuSE did not write the standard. Players from all the major Linux distributions and other major participants in the Linux world had representatives on the LSB committees. In fact, Caldera was one of the earliest and strongest supporters of LSB. Unfortunately, the pressure for standardization has entered a period of retrenchment while the tech sector recovers economically and Linux finds its long term personality in the tech market. Kurt -- Green light in a.m. for new projects. Red light in P.M. for traffic tickets. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: IT jobs Florida
On Tuesday 01 January 2002 05:53 pm, you wrote: > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:42:47 -0500 Randy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Any Floridians on the list? What does the IT sector look like down > > there? This is my last northern winter. > > When I lived in Phoenix about 30 years ago, one of my co-workers at > the bank was originally from Bangor, Maine. What finally triggered > his move was the summer. The year before he bailed out, during the > period about May 20 - Sept. 20, it rained from Friday 5pm to Monday > 8am every single weekend. I've been an insulin-dependent diabetic for 30 years and it's affected the circulation in my feet. I can't tell if I have feet from October till April. Randy Donohoe ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: IT jobs Florida
On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:42:47 -0500 Randy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Any Floridians on the list? What does the IT sector look like down > there? This is my last northern winter. When I lived in Phoenix about 30 years ago, one of my co-workers at the bank was originally from Bangor, Maine. What finally triggered his move was the summer. The year before he bailed out, during the period about May 20 - Sept. 20, it rained from Friday 5pm to Monday 8am every single weekend. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
IT jobs Florida
Any Floridians on the list? What does the IT sector look like down there? This is my last northern winter. Thanks, Randy Donohoe ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: elx and kylix (not)
Collins, Got the same with Desktop Pro Version. I just clicked on the X to close the window and Kylix will start and run just fine. BTW, this is with SuSE 7.3 Pro. Bye, Keith B. Collins Richey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >elx does offer a trial version of kylix, but I haven't gotten this to work >yet. Will report to elx forum as well. > >The basic procedure is >0) su >1) untar the package >2) cd to kylix_trial >3) cd to borpretest >4) ./testsystem - reports good results "kylix should work" >5) ./setup.sh - install successful to /root/kylix > instructions say to use startkylix to run >6) cd /usr/local/bin >./startkylix & >7) Get message "Generating font matrix. Please wait..." plus a dialog box >saying the same thing. 8) Now running at 45+ minutes 100% cpu with >occasional disk access. Probably in a loop. > >The following are from a ps ax display > >1452 pts/1S 0:00 /bin/bash ./startkylix > 1455 pts/1S 0:03 /root/kylix/bin/Kylix > 1457 ?S 0:00 wineserver > 1458 pts/1S 0:00 /root/kylix/bin/Kylix > 1459 pts/1S 0:00 /root/kylix/bin/Kylix > 1460 pts/1R 18:20 /root/kylix/bin/transdlg Generating font >matrix. Pl ea > >Top shows continuous growth of Mem. used and buff and corresponding drop >in Mem. free at each iteration. transdlg is consuming all the cpu. Swap >is not changing. > >I haven't had success on gentoo with kylix, either, so I'm not really >surprised. > >Guess I'll kill it and move on. > >-- >Collins Richey - Denver Area >WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed >___ >Linux-users mailing list >Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users > ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: christmas and its HOT!
On Tuesday 01 Jan 2002 15:20, David A. Bandel wrote: > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:41:19 -0500 > > "Burns MacDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed into the bitstream: > > David spake: [...] > > a 'cable' is 200 yards > > a shackle is about 90 feet > > a fathom is 6 feet > > And you got this information where? > > [david@tole david]$ units > 2112 units, 59 prefixes > [...] > You have: 1 shackle > Unknown unit 'shackle'. [19:42 peter@penguin:peter]$ units 1948 units, 71 prefixes, 28 functions You have: shackle You want: feet * 90.00018 / 0.01089 [19:48 peter@penguin:peter]$ rpm -qa|grep units units-1.74-2mdk -- Peter Ruskin, Wrexham, Wales. Registered Linux User No. 219434 ( see http://counter.li.org/ ). Mandrake Linux release 8.1 (Vitamin) for i586 Kernel 2.4.8-34.1mdk-win4lin, XFree86 4.1.0, patch level 21mdk. KDE: 2.2.2. Qt: 2.3.2. Uptime 22 hours 19 minutes. -- ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re:Standardization (was kde)
On Tuesday 01 January 2002 09:09 am, you wrote: > > "We can't do all of that this release, but we're moving in that > > direction" > > That gets them out of it for a few years. AFAIK only SuSe boasts a > > fully LSB > > compliant distro. Did they write the standard? ;-) > > Not likely. See linuxbase.org . Just about all the major distros have > membership. Sheesh! this whole scenario of standards (even if it is only on paper) and how they are applied [not] trigger flashbacks of CP/M? -- Ted Ozolins(VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
More SxS Steps 01-Jan-02
Bedtime Reading -> BASH Startup Process Scripts (Chris Kassopulo) = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
vi question: mapping a key to esc in insert mode
I use vi. The biggest nuisance I have with it is constantly having to hit the esc button to exit the insert mode. I have remapped my ; key to do this. But, now I have to type cntrl-v59 to insert a semicolon into my document. I have tried to map F2 to insert a ; but that is not possible. Hitting the F2 key just results in an esc command being sent, not a ; symbol. I have tried to define the F2 mapping with cntrl-v59, and that works, but the F2 key then sends a ; which results in the esc function being activated. So, I guess my problem is, how do you send an ascii code to vi and prevent it from being interpreted if it has been remapped? I can get around this by making up a file which contains the ; symbol, and reading that file into my document with a macro, but that seems really lame. Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re:Standardization (was kde)
--- Declan Moriarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Was it Ted Ozolins who wrote on Tuesday 01 January 2002 00:00: > > On Monday 31 December 2001 03:40 pm, you wrote: > > > --- Ted Ozolins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > are mandrake and elx the only distros that do not place kde in > /opt > > > > ??? > > > > > > Redhat > > > > I wonder what happened to all the standardization that was being > squacked > > about? > > > I can answer that one. They said: "LSB - Oh yes, we'll have to do > that!" > Then they realised they had a standard the size of the Bible to read, > and > more difficult to understand in places. So they said > > "We can't do all of that this release, but we're moving in that > direction" > That gets them out of it for a few years. AFAIK only SuSe boasts a > fully LSB > compliant distro. Did they write the standard? ;-) Not likely. See linuxbase.org . Just about all the major distros have membership. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: christmas and its HOT!
--- Collins Richey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Skippy, eat your heart out! > > While you're sweating in 30 deg + swelter and NSW is burning, I'm > freezing > in Denver. > > On the coldest day thus far, my central heating furnace has failed. > I've > got all the lights on and my computers and the oven for a little > residual > warmth. Up from 60 deg F. internal to 65 deg in the past hour. > > On top of all that, it's a white New Year's day. Feh. Out here on the left coast (SF) its been raining non-stop for the past week. Then again, the temperature has been hovering around 60F in the day, and 40F at night. I've got my windows open, and haven't yet needed AC nor heat, and the temp remains a constant 66F indoors. If only i saw the sun i'd be quite pleased. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: christmas and its HOT!
One of the first things I did with a computer was to calculate the speed of light in furlongs per fortnight. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Our Foreign dealings are an Open Book, generally a Check Book.'' Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: christmas and its HOT!
Joel spake: > Thanks for this wonderful link. It will provide much interesting reading. > About the Brave New World of uniform measurements based on units of 10. > They tried hard to switch American medicine over to the European units for > chemistry values (out with mg/dl, in ng/l or meq/l etc. > They stopped when people starting getting killed. There was no gain in this > attempted switch over and a lot of pain, as it turned out. > Which unit is more convenient for measuring air temperature, Fahrenheit or > Centigrade? Like many, I was reluctant to change to metric. But I have to say that now having done so, I rarely even think about the old units of measurement at all. All of my reference points have become metric which, I suppose, is the key. To me, -40C is too cold to go out, 15C is a nice Spring day and 30C is time for a beer in the shade. There have been a few horror stories such as the infamous case of an Air Canada ground crew that got mixed up between gallons and litres when refuelling an airliner. The aircraft subsequently made a forced landing 'on fumes' at a small private prairie airstrip. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: christmas and its HOT!
David wrote: > And you got this information where? Ooops. My memory is not as good as I thunk. The last ship I drove was a destroyer in 1977. As I now recall, we used 2000 yards as a rough measure of miles. I got myself confused with statute miles. The rest were used as rounded off units. We always figured 10 cables to the nautical mile, which, I believe, was standard in naval use at least. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: christmas and its HOT!
There seem to be different versions of how Dr. Fahrenheit made up his scale. Here is one the supports the idea of using the climate for the zero point. http://www.weathernotebook.com/transcripts/1999/01/11.html But, it sounds like, from a brief search of the internet, there are multiple versions of how Fahrenheit made his scale. I notice there is a lot of chuckling in these online accounts over the confusion of deciding upon a scale. . People seem to think that making up a scale for a thermometer is a trivial thing, whereas, the scientific minds of Europe were really uncertain how to do it. I read my posted version years ago in some book or another. Who knows if the book was right? Joel > On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:27:48 -0500 > Joel Hammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed into the bitstream: > > [snip] > > Which unit is more convenient for measuring air temperature, Fahrenheit > or > > Centigrade? > > Centigrade is based on the freezing and boiling points of water. Dr. > > Fahrenheit, on the other hand, traveled all over Europe and, using his > > device, set 100 to the hottest temperature normally expected and set 0 > to > > the lowest temperature normally expected, ie, the Fahrenheit scale was > > designed for a particular use, measuring air temperature. > > Ummm. Where'd you get this little bit of wisdom? I learned it this way: > ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: christmas and its HOT!
Skippy, eat your heart out! While you're sweating in 30 deg + swelter and NSW is burning, I'm freezing in Denver. On the coldest day thus far, my central heating furnace has failed. I've got all the lights on and my computers and the oven for a little residual warmth. Up from 60 deg F. internal to 65 deg in the past hour. On top of all that, it's a white New Year's day. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: kde
On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:48:37 + Declan Moriarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Was it Collins Richey who wrote on Tuesday 01 January 2002 00:18: > > On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:04:23 -0800 Ted Ozolins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Monday 31 December 2001 03:48 pm, you wrote: > > > > On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:40:55 -0800 (PST) Net Llama > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > --- Ted Ozolins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > are mandrake and elx the only distros that do not place kde in > > > > > > /opt??? > > > > > > > > > > Redhat > > > > > > > > gentoo. It's really anti-LSB to use /opt for much of anything. > > > > gentoo intends to use /opt only for binary-only packages. > > > > > > Ok, then according to the LSB where should Kde, Gnome, Xfce and etc. > > > be placed? > > > > As I understand it, in the /usr hierarchy like any other program. I > > know, I know, that sucks, but that's the current drift. It does make > > it a little more difficult (impossible?) to run multiple kde/gnome > > releases, although the latest gnome claims to be installible and > > usable alongside the previous gnome. > > I thought the idea behind /opt for programs was that you could update > your system without touching it; This never works anyhow unless you have > gigabytes of libraries and nothing ever breaks compatability. > -- You're preaching to the choir. Take it up with the LSB goons. It appears that they love the Rehat way of doing things, and it's doubtful that they will listen to reason. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: christmas and its HOT!
Burns MacDonald wrote: > > David spake: > > That would be fine if you stuck to inches all the time but: > > 12 inches = 1 foot > > 3 feet = 1 yard > > yards = 1 mile > > > >From my Navy years: > 1760 yards to a nautical mile. A nautical mile is 1 minute of latitude at > the equator. > a 'cable' is 200 yards > a shackle is about 90 feet > a fathom is 6 feet > > For more measuring trivia, see http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/ > It is truly mind-boggling and aptly demonstrates the need for a simple, > global 10-based suystem. > > -- > burns Why base 10? Because we have 10 fingers, or toes? What about octal and base 16? After all as we evolve to Homo computerus our bellies will probably swell until we can't count our toes and our fingers will evolve into two elongated digits, to push keyboard keys, and an opposable thumb as an aid to load paper in our printers. Thus, base 10 will become obsolete. So let's switch to base 16 and start computerizing the world. Lee > > ___ > Linux-users mailing list > Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Fw: Re: typo in installer
FYI Begin forwarded message: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:40:04 +0530 From: root To: Collins Richey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: typo in installer Thanks collins, We will be replacing the same in pre release 2 ELX team On Monday 31 December 2001 17:59, you wrote: > A few people on our users group (linux-users) have reported that elx has > a typo in its greeting to new users. I failed to notice this, but to > some people it's a very big deal. > > ELX Linux Welcome's You > > instead of > > ELX Linux Welcomes You > > Please correct it in your final release. > > Thanks, -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - ELX-1 system k2.4.17+xfce+sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: christmas and its HOT!
On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:27:48 -0500 Joel Hammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed into the bitstream: Another good temperature link: http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~jup/metric/fahrenheit.html discusses Fahreneit and Roemer David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto Internet (H323) phone: 206.28.187.30 ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: christmas and its HOT!
On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:27:48 -0500 Joel Hammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed into the bitstream: [snip] > Which unit is more convenient for measuring air temperature, Fahrenheit or > Centigrade? > Centigrade is based on the freezing and boiling points of water. Dr. > Fahrenheit, on the other hand, traveled all over Europe and, using his > device, set 100 to the hottest temperature normally expected and set 0 to > the lowest temperature normally expected, ie, the Fahrenheit scale was > designed for a particular use, measuring air temperature. Ummm. Where'd you get this little bit of wisdom? I learned it this way: On the Fahrenheit scale, the freezing point of water is 32 degrees and the boiling point is 212 degrees. Zero Fahrenheit was the coldest temperature that the German-born scientist Gabriel Daniel Fahrenheit could create with a mixture of ice and ordinary salt. He invented the mercury thermometer and introduced it and his scale in 1714 in Holland, where he lived most of his life. The above from the nasa.gov site discussing Fahrenheit, Celsius (centigrade), and Kelvin. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto Internet (H323) phone: 206.28.187.30 ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: christmas and its HOT!
Thanks for this wonderful link. It will provide much interesting reading. About the Brave New World of uniform measurements based on units of 10. They tried hard to switch American medicine over to the European units for chemistry values (out with mg/dl, in ng/l or meq/l etc. They stopped when people starting getting killed. There was no gain in this attempted switch over and a lot of pain, as it turned out. Which unit is more convenient for measuring air temperature, Fahrenheit or Centigrade? Centigrade is based on the freezing and boiling points of water. Dr. Fahrenheit, on the other hand, traveled all over Europe and, using his device, set 100 to the hottest temperature normally expected and set 0 to the lowest temperature normally expected, ie, the Fahrenheit scale was designed for a particular use, measuring air temperature. Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: christmas and its HOT!
On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:41:19 -0500 "Burns MacDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed into the bitstream: > David spake: > > That would be fine if you stuck to inches all the time but: > > 12 inches = 1 foot > > 3 feet = 1 yard > > yards = 1 mile > > > From my Navy years: > 1760 yards to a nautical mile. A nautical mile is 1 minute of latitude at > the equator. > a 'cable' is 200 yards > a shackle is about 90 feet > a fathom is 6 feet > And you got this information where? [david@tole david]$ units 2112 units, 59 prefixes You have: 1 statutemile You want: yards * 1760.0035 / 0.00056818068 You have: 1 nauticalmile You want: yards * 2025.3718 / 0.0004937365 You have: 1 fathom You want: feet * 6.12 / 0.1633 You have: 1 shackle Unknown unit 'shackle'. You have: 1 cable You want: yards * 202.53718 / 0.004937365 Nice program, units. Be careful: nm == nanometers (as in light wavelength, not in nautical miles; there are other gotchas with the program as well -- consult /usr/share/units.dat for all the gory details). Looks like you need to put the definition of shackle into units (or did you just misspell it?). Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto Internet (H323) phone: 206.28.187.30 ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Will they recommend LINUX????
> > Perhaps they'll urge Americans to switch to a safer OS ;-) > Not likely during the current administration. Or any other. As I recall, the previous administration used Apples in the White House. You did note that Enron shifted its corporate donations to the Democratic party in the last 6 months? A Democrat, I believe in the Senate, explained that since the Democrats now control the Senate (Thanks to Mr. Jeffords sudden attack of conscience) there are "certain political realities that apply." Those are very close to his exact words. Ergo, corporations give $$ to get favors from the government, and they give that $$ to people who have the power to grant favors. That is what politics is about, power and money. The system is so obviously corrupt they don't even mind talking about it. So, how much money is Linux going to give to US Congressmen and Senators and Governors, etc. running for office in 2004? How much money are you willing to donate for the Linux PAC? Without money to give or votes to deliver, the Linux community, and indeed Linux itself, simply don't exist to our politicians. BTW, this is the way its always been, and it is not going to change in our lifetimes. Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: christmas and its HOT!
David spake: > That would be fine if you stuck to inches all the time but: > 12 inches = 1 foot > 3 feet = 1 yard > yards = 1 mile > >From my Navy years: 1760 yards to a nautical mile. A nautical mile is 1 minute of latitude at the equator. a 'cable' is 200 yards a shackle is about 90 feet a fathom is 6 feet For more measuring trivia, see http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/ It is truly mind-boggling and aptly demonstrates the need for a simple, global 10-based suystem. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Will they recommend LINUX????
Michael wrote: > Perhaps they'll urge Americans to switch to a safer OS ;-) > Not likely during the current administration. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: kde
Was it Collins Richey who wrote on Tuesday 01 January 2002 00:18: > On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:04:23 -0800 Ted Ozolins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Monday 31 December 2001 03:48 pm, you wrote: > > > On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:40:55 -0800 (PST) Net Llama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > --- Ted Ozolins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > are mandrake and elx the only distros that do not place kde in > > > > > /opt??? > > > > > > > > Redhat > > > > > > gentoo. It's really anti-LSB to use /opt for much of anything. > > > gentoo intends to use /opt only for binary-only packages. > > > > Ok, then according to the LSB where should Kde, Gnome, Xfce and etc. be > > placed? > > As I understand it, in the /usr hierarchy like any other program. I know, > I know, that sucks, but that's the current drift. It does make it a > little more difficult (impossible?) to run multiple kde/gnome releases, > although the latest gnome claims to be installible and usable alongside > the previous gnome. I thought the idea behind /opt for programs was that you could update your system without touching it; This never works anyhow unless you have gigabytes of libraries and nothing ever breaks compatability. -- Regards, Declan Moriarty Applied Researches - Ireland's Foremost Electronic Hardware Genius A Slightly Serious(TM) Company Experience is like a comb, that Life gives you - AFTER all your hair has fallen out! ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re:Standardization (was kde)
Was it Ted Ozolins who wrote on Tuesday 01 January 2002 00:00: > On Monday 31 December 2001 03:40 pm, you wrote: > > --- Ted Ozolins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > are mandrake and elx the only distros that do not place kde in /opt > > > ??? > > > > Redhat > > I wonder what happened to all the standardization that was being squacked > about? I can answer that one. They said: "LSB - Oh yes, we'll have to do that!" Then they realised they had a standard the size of the Bible to read, and more difficult to understand in places. So they said "We can't do all of that this release, but we're moving in that direction" That gets them out of it for a few years. AFAIK only SuSe boasts a fully LSB compliant distro. Did they write the standard? ;-) -- Regards, Declan Moriarty Applied Researches - Ireland's Foremost Electronic Hardware Genius A Slightly Serious(TM) Company Experience is like a comb, that Life gives you - AFTER all your hair has fallen out! ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
