Re: [IFWP] Re: Kent's Rhetoric and Bombast - and ICANN the Scam..
Joe and all,
How does Crispy-Songbird.god sound joe? ;) Oh yes, of course there
are no trailing "-'s"... Is that ok with you Louis or Mike?
!Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
As for Kent, well the bullshit flowith! Joe B. How about a
.GOD special domain for Kent and Songbird. I know you can come
up with something wholesome! ;) Send me the bill on the registration.
songbird.god is taken. any other choices? or sunrise variations?
Regards
Joe ;-)
Repoman wrote:
Patrick Corliss wrote:
[...]
I should rise above that but it's hard not to fall into the trap
Been there myself unfortunately from time to time. :-(
of fighting
the battle on the other person's terms.
Battle? The gradual TM lobby usurpation of the DNS has been conducted in
a 'closed door' manner as far as I suspect the internet community at large
and domain holders are concerned. I see little to no battle. Why fight if you
can
afford to insure victory by just buying it?
Judge and jury are financed by trademark holders in the current internet
arbitration scenario. If enough precendents in favor of TM holders, particularly
if common language terms like 'songbird' are in place in the UDRPs, then that
spells good (!$) business and invites establishment of more UDRPs. Ultimately
(if not already) the consideration of the the position of an arbiter at any UDRP
will also be based on his/her disposition on TMs I suspect.
'Never bite the hand that feeds you'!
Re Kent: I perceive Kent in this forum by now as a bright and eloquent salesman
selling something
(the TM scam) you have to (currently!) buy whether you wish to or not.
Nonetheless:
Much like the rare successful sale of a refigerator to an Eskimo, I suspect he:
a.) enjoys making 'the sale' the reference rather than the practical value of
the item he sells.
One Eskimo convinced is a sure fire reference for another Eskimo prospect!
Kent would sell the 'energy efficiency' of the unit, 'as it does not even need
to be plugged in to maintain food safety standards.'
Intelligent Eskimos like you or !Dr.Joe and many others on this list are
obviously
bad for business. Roberts would seem to be a much easier sell - especially with
a fat
'factory buyer rebate' easily financing the next ICANN trip to Nepal (?) in
2002.
b.)he seeks ( I'd hate to sell Kent short) 'world domination' of
the word 'songbird' in the DNS. He may just be sweating his little 'songbird
whatever' TM right about now. 'Songbird' is about as thin as it get's I'd say in
TM and DNS.
Ask any kid on the street what he/she thinks a 'songbird' is.
Any word in 'Webster' (TM!) certainly has every and no claim on an address in
the global DNS.
FCFS! A premise that built the US, Australia and every other country I can think
of
off hand that has any global significance today. This concept is as old as
sperm as a drastic example.
('Thank god for the big TMs up at ICANN, but I should at least try to sell an
Eskimo here and there myself - if anything to convince myself by the endorsement
of some real Eskimo.' type of rationale on Kent's part? )
Of course he still hasn't replied
properly to my 17 points.
There are very few (if any) Eskimos on this list that would jump at the
opportunity of buying a fridge I've noticed. As Heather already aptly advised:
'Don't hold your breath!' He can't reply compellingly to your points here
(although I wish he would try). Now as before I find Kent a valuable testing
ground of 'TM pro/con lobby argumentation'.
Please continue your thought provoking, IMO important and often truly
interesting
comments on this list. Most reflect my exact thoughts (verbalized
very nicely by you Patrick!)
Regards,
John
P.S.: I wonder how much it would cost to mail every domain(s) registrant in the
world
a brief opinion questionaire (even by snail mail (argh)- postcard even - no ppd
return envelope necessary) on major issues under consideration by ICANN to get a
feel for the sentiments of the net community? More or less than a trip to Berlin
or Cairo or Santiago...? The internet is akin to a new global community whose
opinions will be heard and the majority will prevail ultimately - hopefully with
an 'enlightened'(!!) and globally democratic ICANN at it's helm (my wish with
noted qualifications) but certainly also 'without', if global issues are not
addressed fairly.
Regards,
--
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CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
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Re: [IFWP] Re: Kent's Rhetoric and Bombast - and ICANN the Scam..
Shall I register it in your name Jeff? Or in crispies name? Someone has
already register icann.god.
http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?icann.god
Regards
Joe Baptista
On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
Joe and all,
How does Crispy-Songbird.god sound joe? ;) Oh yes, of course there
are no trailing "-'s"... Is that ok with you Louis or Mike?
!Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
As for Kent, well the bullshit flowith! Joe B. How about a
.GOD special domain for Kent and Songbird. I know you can come
up with something wholesome! ;) Send me the bill on the registration.
songbird.god is taken. any other choices? or sunrise variations?
Regards
Joe ;-)
Repoman wrote:
Patrick Corliss wrote:
[...]
I should rise above that but it's hard not to fall into the trap
Been there myself unfortunately from time to time. :-(
of fighting
the battle on the other person's terms.
Battle? The gradual TM lobby usurpation of the DNS has been conducted in
a 'closed door' manner as far as I suspect the internet community at large
and domain holders are concerned. I see little to no battle. Why fight if you
can
afford to insure victory by just buying it?
Judge and jury are financed by trademark holders in the current internet
arbitration scenario. If enough precendents in favor of TM holders,
particularly
if common language terms like 'songbird' are in place in the UDRPs, then that
spells good (!$) business and invites establishment of more UDRPs. Ultimately
(if not already) the consideration of the the position of an arbiter at any
UDRP
will also be based on his/her disposition on TMs I suspect.
'Never bite the hand that feeds you'!
Re Kent: I perceive Kent in this forum by now as a bright and eloquent salesman
selling something
(the TM scam) you have to (currently!) buy whether you wish to or not.
Nonetheless:
Much like the rare successful sale of a refigerator to an Eskimo, I suspect he:
a.) enjoys making 'the sale' the reference rather than the practical value of
the item he sells.
One Eskimo convinced is a sure fire reference for another Eskimo prospect!
Kent would sell the 'energy efficiency' of the unit, 'as it does not even need
to be plugged in to maintain food safety standards.'
Intelligent Eskimos like you or !Dr.Joe and many others on this list are
obviously
bad for business. Roberts would seem to be a much easier sell - especially with
a fat
'factory buyer rebate' easily financing the next ICANN trip to Nepal (?) in
2002.
b.)he seeks ( I'd hate to sell Kent short) 'world domination' of
the word 'songbird' in the DNS. He may just be sweating his little 'songbird
whatever' TM right about now. 'Songbird' is about as thin as it get's I'd say
in
TM and DNS.
Ask any kid on the street what he/she thinks a 'songbird' is.
Any word in 'Webster' (TM!) certainly has every and no claim on an address in
the global DNS.
FCFS! A premise that built the US, Australia and every other country I can
think
of
off hand that has any global significance today. This concept is as old as
sperm as a drastic example.
('Thank god for the big TMs up at ICANN, but I should at least try to sell an
Eskimo here and there myself - if anything to convince myself by the
endorsement
of some real Eskimo.' type of rationale on Kent's part? )
Of course he still hasn't replied
properly to my 17 points.
There are very few (if any) Eskimos on this list that would jump at the
opportunity of buying a fridge I've noticed. As Heather already aptly
advised:
'Don't hold your breath!' He can't reply compellingly to your points here
(although I wish he would try). Now as before I find Kent a valuable testing
ground of 'TM pro/con lobby argumentation'.
Please continue your thought provoking, IMO important and often truly
interesting
comments on this list. Most reflect my exact thoughts (verbalized
very nicely by you Patrick!)
Regards,
John
P.S.: I wonder how much it would cost to mail every domain(s) registrant in the
world
a brief opinion questionaire (even by snail mail (argh)- postcard even - no ppd
return envelope necessary) on major issues under consideration by ICANN to get
a
feel for the sentiments of the net community? More or less than a trip to
Berlin
or Cairo or Santiago...? The internet is akin to a new global community whose
opinions will be heard and the majority will prevail ultimately - hopefully
with
an 'enlightened'(!!) and globally democratic ICANN at it's helm (my wish with
noted qualifications) but certainly also 'without', if global issues are not
addressed fairly.
Regards,
--
Jeffrey A.
Re: [IFWP] dot.god on internet news
http://www.internetnews.com/wd-news/article/0,2171,10_364761,00.html Regards Joe Baptista Well, .GOD is not exactly new. Although not operational, it was recommended in the 1997 RONY Plan for New Generic Top Level Domains (gRony TLDs) along with .BUBBA, .EGO, .DUH, .NETORGCOM and others. See http://www.domainhandbook.com/ronytld.html S:-] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- Ellen Rony// http://www.domainhandbook.com Co-author *=" /[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Domain Name Handbook \ ) +1 415.435.5010 // \\ "Carpe canine" The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.
Re: [IFWP] Re: Kent's Rhetoric and Bombast - and ICANN the Scam..
Joe and all,
Sure, that would be fine. Send me the bill. And than I will grant it
to either Kent or a worthy non-profit sunrise +20 supporter organization.
By the way does Sunrise +20 work with your .GOD TLD as a policy
Joe? I hope not. But if so, randomly select the best 20 possibilities
and variations of Crispy-songbird.god for me as well. Some of those
variations might be as follows:
Crispybrain-songbird.god
CrispyCrockett-songbird.god
ect... ect... I think you can follow the direction here joe? ;)
Reserve a few of those for Michael Graham as well would you be
so kind to do so. And bill me on the total amount.
!Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
Shall I register it in your name Jeff? Or in crispies name? Someone has
already register icann.god.
http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?icann.god
Regards
Joe Baptista
On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
Joe and all,
How does Crispy-Songbird.god sound joe? ;) Oh yes, of course there
are no trailing "-'s"... Is that ok with you Louis or Mike?
!Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
As for Kent, well the bullshit flowith! Joe B. How about a
.GOD special domain for Kent and Songbird. I know you can come
up with something wholesome! ;) Send me the bill on the registration.
songbird.god is taken. any other choices? or sunrise variations?
Regards
Joe ;-)
Repoman wrote:
Patrick Corliss wrote:
[...]
I should rise above that but it's hard not to fall into the trap
Been there myself unfortunately from time to time. :-(
of fighting
the battle on the other person's terms.
Battle? The gradual TM lobby usurpation of the DNS has been conducted in
a 'closed door' manner as far as I suspect the internet community at large
and domain holders are concerned. I see little to no battle. Why fight if you
can
afford to insure victory by just buying it?
Judge and jury are financed by trademark holders in the current internet
arbitration scenario. If enough precendents in favor of TM holders,
particularly
if common language terms like 'songbird' are in place in the UDRPs, then that
spells good (!$) business and invites establishment of more UDRPs. Ultimately
(if not already) the consideration of the the position of an arbiter at any
UDRP
will also be based on his/her disposition on TMs I suspect.
'Never bite the hand that feeds you'!
Re Kent: I perceive Kent in this forum by now as a bright and eloquent
salesman
selling something
(the TM scam) you have to (currently!) buy whether you wish to or not.
Nonetheless:
Much like the rare successful sale of a refigerator to an Eskimo, I suspect
he:
a.) enjoys making 'the sale' the reference rather than the practical value of
the item he sells.
One Eskimo convinced is a sure fire reference for another Eskimo prospect!
Kent would sell the 'energy efficiency' of the unit, 'as it does not even
need
to be plugged in to maintain food safety standards.'
Intelligent Eskimos like you or !Dr.Joe and many others on this list are
obviously
bad for business. Roberts would seem to be a much easier sell - especially
with
a fat
'factory buyer rebate' easily financing the next ICANN trip to Nepal (?) in
2002.
b.)he seeks ( I'd hate to sell Kent short) 'world domination' of
the word 'songbird' in the DNS. He may just be sweating his little 'songbird
whatever' TM right about now. 'Songbird' is about as thin as it get's I'd
say in
TM and DNS.
Ask any kid on the street what he/she thinks a 'songbird' is.
Any word in 'Webster' (TM!) certainly has every and no claim on an address in
the global DNS.
FCFS! A premise that built the US, Australia and every other country I can
think
of
off hand that has any global significance today. This concept is as old as
sperm as a drastic example.
('Thank god for the big TMs up at ICANN, but I should at least try to sell an
Eskimo here and there myself - if anything to convince myself by the
endorsement
of some real Eskimo.' type of rationale on Kent's part? )
Of course he still hasn't replied
properly to my 17 points.
There are very few (if any) Eskimos on this list that would jump at the
opportunity of buying a fridge I've noticed. As Heather already aptly
advised:
'Don't hold your breath!' He can't reply compellingly to your points here
(although I wish he would try). Now as before I find Kent a valuable testing
ground of 'TM pro/con lobby argumentation'.
Please continue your thought provoking, IMO important and often truly
interesting
comments on this list. Most reflect my exact thoughts (verbalized
very nicely by you Patrick!)
Re: [IFWP] Re: Kent's Rhetoric and Bombast - and ICANN the Scam..
On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote: Joe and all, Sure, that would be fine. Send me the bill. And than I will grant it to either Kent or a worthy non-profit sunrise +20 supporter organization. By the way does Sunrise +20 work with your .GOD TLD as a policy Joe? I hope not. But if so, randomly select the best 20 possibilities and variations of Crispy-songbird.god for me as well. Some of those variations might be as follows: Wait until I get the new machine online. And then you and friends can register as many as you want. I should also advise tha the registry will be beta testing and during that period the domains will be given out for free. There will be a charge but that will only be implimented next year. Since people will be helping us test the system - inlcuding the implimentation and testing of a floating root - there will be no charge in exchange for their assistance. Crispybrain-songbird.god CrispyCrockett-songbird.god ect... ect... I think you can follow the direction here joe? ;) You got it: http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?whois=crispy-songbird.god http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?whois=crispybrain-songbird.god http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?whois=crispycrockett-songbird.god Regards Joe P.S. I'll put you on an announce list so you'll be notified when the registry become operational. Reserve a few of those for Michael Graham as well would you be so kind to do so. And bill me on the total amount. !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote: Shall I register it in your name Jeff? Or in crispies name? Someone has already register icann.god. http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?icann.god Regards Joe Baptista On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote: Joe and all, How does Crispy-Songbird.god sound joe? ;) Oh yes, of course there are no trailing "-'s"... Is that ok with you Louis or Mike? !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote: On Wed, 17 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote: As for Kent, well the bullshit flowith! Joe B. How about a .GOD special domain for Kent and Songbird. I know you can come up with something wholesome! ;) Send me the bill on the registration. songbird.god is taken. any other choices? or sunrise variations? Regards Joe ;-) Repoman wrote: Patrick Corliss wrote: [...] I should rise above that but it's hard not to fall into the trap Been there myself unfortunately from time to time. :-( of fighting the battle on the other person's terms. Battle? The gradual TM lobby usurpation of the DNS has been conducted in a 'closed door' manner as far as I suspect the internet community at large and domain holders are concerned. I see little to no battle. Why fight if you can afford to insure victory by just buying it? Judge and jury are financed by trademark holders in the current internet arbitration scenario. If enough precendents in favor of TM holders, particularly if common language terms like 'songbird' are in place in the UDRPs, then that spells good (!$) business and invites establishment of more UDRPs. Ultimately (if not already) the consideration of the the position of an arbiter at any UDRP will also be based on his/her disposition on TMs I suspect. 'Never bite the hand that feeds you'! Re Kent: I perceive Kent in this forum by now as a bright and eloquent salesman selling something (the TM scam) you have to (currently!) buy whether you wish to or not. Nonetheless: Much like the rare successful sale of a refigerator to an Eskimo, I suspect he: a.) enjoys making 'the sale' the reference rather than the practical value of the item he sells. One Eskimo convinced is a sure fire reference for another Eskimo prospect! Kent would sell the 'energy efficiency' of the unit, 'as it does not even need to be plugged in to maintain food safety standards.' Intelligent Eskimos like you or !Dr.Joe and many others on this list are obviously bad for business. Roberts would seem to be a much easier sell - especially with a fat 'factory buyer rebate' easily financing the next ICANN trip to Nepal (?) in 2002. b.)he seeks ( I'd hate to sell Kent short) 'world domination' of the word 'songbird' in the DNS. He may just be sweating his little 'songbird whatever' TM right about now. 'Songbird' is about as thin as it get's I'd say in TM and DNS. Ask any kid on the street what he/she thinks a 'songbird' is. Any word in 'Webster' (TM!) certainly has every and no claim on an address in the global DNS. FCFS! A premise that built the US, Australia and every other country I can think of off hand that has any global significance today. This concept is
Re: [IFWP] Re: Kent's Rhetoric and Bombast - and ICANN the Scam..
Joe and all, Ok thank you Joe. ;) !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote: On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote: Joe and all, Sure, that would be fine. Send me the bill. And than I will grant it to either Kent or a worthy non-profit sunrise +20 supporter organization. By the way does Sunrise +20 work with your .GOD TLD as a policy Joe? I hope not. But if so, randomly select the best 20 possibilities and variations of Crispy-songbird.god for me as well. Some of those variations might be as follows: Wait until I get the new machine online. And then you and friends can register as many as you want. I should also advise tha the registry will be beta testing and during that period the domains will be given out for free. There will be a charge but that will only be implimented next year. Since people will be helping us test the system - inlcuding the implimentation and testing of a floating root - there will be no charge in exchange for their assistance. Crispybrain-songbird.god CrispyCrockett-songbird.god ect... ect... I think you can follow the direction here joe? ;) You got it: http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?whois=crispy-songbird.god http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?whois=crispybrain-songbird.god http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?whois=crispycrockett-songbird.god Regards Joe P.S. I'll put you on an announce list so you'll be notified when the registry become operational. Reserve a few of those for Michael Graham as well would you be so kind to do so. And bill me on the total amount. !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote: Shall I register it in your name Jeff? Or in crispies name? Someone has already register icann.god. http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?icann.god Regards Joe Baptista On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote: Joe and all, How does Crispy-Songbird.god sound joe? ;) Oh yes, of course there are no trailing "-'s"... Is that ok with you Louis or Mike? !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote: On Wed, 17 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote: As for Kent, well the bullshit flowith! Joe B. How about a .GOD special domain for Kent and Songbird. I know you can come up with something wholesome! ;) Send me the bill on the registration. songbird.god is taken. any other choices? or sunrise variations? Regards Joe ;-) Repoman wrote: Patrick Corliss wrote: [...] I should rise above that but it's hard not to fall into the trap Been there myself unfortunately from time to time. :-( of fighting the battle on the other person's terms. Battle? The gradual TM lobby usurpation of the DNS has been conducted in a 'closed door' manner as far as I suspect the internet community at large and domain holders are concerned. I see little to no battle. Why fight if you can afford to insure victory by just buying it? Judge and jury are financed by trademark holders in the current internet arbitration scenario. If enough precendents in favor of TM holders, particularly if common language terms like 'songbird' are in place in the UDRPs, then that spells good (!$) business and invites establishment of more UDRPs. Ultimately (if not already) the consideration of the the position of an arbiter at any UDRP will also be based on his/her disposition on TMs I suspect. 'Never bite the hand that feeds you'! Re Kent: I perceive Kent in this forum by now as a bright and eloquent salesman selling something (the TM scam) you have to (currently!) buy whether you wish to or not. Nonetheless: Much like the rare successful sale of a refigerator to an Eskimo, I suspect he: a.) enjoys making 'the sale' the reference rather than the practical value of the item he sells. One Eskimo convinced is a sure fire reference for another Eskimo prospect! Kent would sell the 'energy efficiency' of the unit, 'as it does not even need to be plugged in to maintain food safety standards.' Intelligent Eskimos like you or !Dr.Joe and many others on this list are obviously bad for business. Roberts would seem to be a much easier sell - especially with a fat 'factory buyer rebate' easily financing the next ICANN trip to Nepal (?) in 2002. b.)he seeks ( I'd hate to sell Kent short) 'world domination' of the word 'songbird' in the DNS. He may just be sweating his little 'songbird whatever' TM right about now. 'Songbird' is about as thin as it get's I'd say in TM and DNS. Ask any kid on the street what he/she thinks a 'songbird' is. Any word in 'Webster' (TM!) certainly has every and no claim on an address in the global DNS.
Re: [IFWP] Re: Kent's Rhetoric and Bombast - and ICANN the Scam..
Sorry Jeff - forgot to address the rest of your question. I've been busy
with people sending in so many queries to dot.god.
On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
By the way does Sunrise +20 work with your .GOD TLD as a policy
Joe?
That does not work with .GOD. Were not having any of that nonsense. We
intend to operate a professional registry that will provide stable domain
name resources and not the instability which is ICANN.
Regards
Joe Baptista
and variations of Crispy-songbird.god for me as well. Some of those
variations might be as follows:
Crispybrain-songbird.god
CrispyCrockett-songbird.god
ect... ect... I think you can follow the direction here joe? ;)
Reserve a few of those for Michael Graham as well would you be
so kind to do so. And bill me on the total amount.
!Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
Shall I register it in your name Jeff? Or in crispies name? Someone has
already register icann.god.
http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?icann.god
Regards
Joe Baptista
On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
Joe and all,
How does Crispy-Songbird.god sound joe? ;) Oh yes, of course there
are no trailing "-'s"... Is that ok with you Louis or Mike?
!Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
As for Kent, well the bullshit flowith! Joe B. How about a
.GOD special domain for Kent and Songbird. I know you can come
up with something wholesome! ;) Send me the bill on the registration.
songbird.god is taken. any other choices? or sunrise variations?
Regards
Joe ;-)
Repoman wrote:
Patrick Corliss wrote:
[...]
I should rise above that but it's hard not to fall into the trap
Been there myself unfortunately from time to time. :-(
of fighting
the battle on the other person's terms.
Battle? The gradual TM lobby usurpation of the DNS has been conducted in
a 'closed door' manner as far as I suspect the internet community at large
and domain holders are concerned. I see little to no battle. Why fight if
you
can
afford to insure victory by just buying it?
Judge and jury are financed by trademark holders in the current internet
arbitration scenario. If enough precendents in favor of TM holders,
particularly
if common language terms like 'songbird' are in place in the UDRPs, then
that
spells good (!$) business and invites establishment of more UDRPs.
Ultimately
(if not already) the consideration of the the position of an arbiter at
any UDRP
will also be based on his/her disposition on TMs I suspect.
'Never bite the hand that feeds you'!
Re Kent: I perceive Kent in this forum by now as a bright and eloquent
salesman
selling something
(the TM scam) you have to (currently!) buy whether you wish to or not.
Nonetheless:
Much like the rare successful sale of a refigerator to an Eskimo, I
suspect he:
a.) enjoys making 'the sale' the reference rather than the practical value
of
the item he sells.
One Eskimo convinced is a sure fire reference for another Eskimo prospect!
Kent would sell the 'energy efficiency' of the unit, 'as it does not even
need
to be plugged in to maintain food safety standards.'
Intelligent Eskimos like you or !Dr.Joe and many others on this list are
obviously
bad for business. Roberts would seem to be a much easier sell - especially
with
a fat
'factory buyer rebate' easily financing the next ICANN trip to Nepal (?) in
2002.
b.)he seeks ( I'd hate to sell Kent short) 'world domination' of
the word 'songbird' in the DNS. He may just be sweating his little
'songbird
whatever' TM right about now. 'Songbird' is about as thin as it get's I'd
say in
TM and DNS.
Ask any kid on the street what he/she thinks a 'songbird' is.
Any word in 'Webster' (TM!) certainly has every and no claim on an address
in
the global DNS.
FCFS! A premise that built the US, Australia and every other country I can
think
of
off hand that has any global significance today. This concept is as old as
sperm as a drastic example.
('Thank god for the big TMs up at ICANN, but I should at least try to sell
an
Eskimo here and there myself - if anything to convince myself by the
endorsement
of some real Eskimo.' type of rationale on Kent's part? )
Of course he still hasn't replied
properly to my 17 points.
There are very few (if any) Eskimos on this list that would jump at the
opportunity of buying a fridge I've noticed. As Heather already aptly
advised:
'Don't hold your breath!' He can't reply compellingly to your points here
(although I wish he would try). Now as before I find Kent
Re: [IFWP] dot.god on internet news
You want a domain name too Ellen? Just remember, the dot.god tld was operated by the Church long before you wrote your little ditty. Back in May 17 1996 the church began operating the tld as a naming convention for internal networks. Furthermore on the 31 Jul 1996 Jan K. Masek made a request to John Postel at IANA for this tld. So you claim is dismissed. But it was a funny page - very nice. Regards Joe Baptista On Thu, 18 May 2000, Ellen Rony wrote: http://www.internetnews.com/wd-news/article/0,2171,10_364761,00.html Regards Joe Baptista Well, .GOD is not exactly new. Although not operational, it was recommended in the 1997 RONY Plan for New Generic Top Level Domains (gRony TLDs) along with .BUBBA, .EGO, .DUH, .NETORGCOM and others. See http://www.domainhandbook.com/ronytld.html S:-] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- Ellen Rony// http://www.domainhandbook.com Co-author *=" /[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Domain Name Handbook \ ) +1 415.435.5010 // \\ "Carpe canine" The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.
[IFWP] GWU's Democracy Online Project: Panel May 22nd (fwd)
Thought this might be of interest to the list. For media contacts or more information: Richard Sheehe 202-994-3087 Anna McCollister 202-261-2897 http://www.gwu.edu/~media/pressreleases/05-12-00-DemocracyOnline.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY DEMOCRACY ONLINE PROJECT http://www.democracyonline.org "In Search of Democracy's Domain in a Dot Com World" Monday May 22, 2000 You are invited to the second of two Public Testimony Sessions of the National Task Force of the Democracy Online Project: In Search of Democracy's Domain in a Dot-Com World. The National Task Force is Co-Chaired by former U.S. Representatives Patricia Schroeder (D-Colorado) and Richard White (R-Washington). Experts from think tanks, policy institutes, politics, journalism and the high-tech industry will provide testimony to the National Task Force as it seeks to arrive at a set of ideas that will help promote a vibrant online public space for political communication in the United States. In each panel, the speakers will give a brief statement. They will then field questions from members of the Task Force and the audience. A list of the confirmed and invited speakers can be found below in the agenda. When: Monday, May 22, 2000 8:30 am - 5:00 pm Where: Holiday Inn on The Hill, Federal North 415 New Jersey Ave. NW Washington, DC Cost: Free Agenda 8:30 am - Registration, Complimentary Continental Breakfast 9:00 am - Welcome Dr. David Anderson, Task Force Director, Democracy Online Project The Honorable Patricia Schroeder, Task Force Co-Chair The Honorable Richard White, Task Force Co-Chair 9:15 am - Democracy's Domain: Does Online Democracy Need a Separate Space? Declan McCullagh, Wired News Robert Corn-Revere, Hogan Hartson Steve Clift, Publicus.net Walter Effross, American University School of Law Scott Reents, Democracy Project 10:45 am - Break 11:00 am - Technology and Internet Democracy: Lessons of the Past and Visions of the Future Jay Stanley, Forrester Research Jim Katz, School of Communication, Rutgers University C. Dianne Martin, Computer Science Department, The George Washington University David Farber, FCC Chief Technologist (invited) Julia Glidden, Election.com 12:30 pm - Break 1:30 pm - Advocacy and Governance in a High-Tech Society Jonah Seiger, mindshare Internet Campaigns Pam Fielding, e-advocates George Fatheree, GovWorks.com Alvin Williams, Black America's Political Action Committee 3:00 pm - Break 3:15 pm - Online Democracy: The Big Picture Faye Anderson, PoliticallyBlack.com Michael Cornfield, Democracy Online Project Phil Noble, PoliticsOnline.com Diane Asadorian, formerly of WGBH Boston Kim Alexander, California Voter Foundation Please RSVP by May 18th. You can RSVP by: E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: (202) 872-8258 Mail: 1819 Pennsylvania Ave. NW Suite 700 Washington, DC 20006 Although not required, an RSVP will assist in getting an accurate count for refreshments.
[IFWP] Re: Give it up, Please!! (fwd)
A censored communication of interest to all of us in tld's. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:11:23 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CENSORED Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Give it up, Please!! Hello: The article fails to mention the history of this tld. It has been in use since 1996 as a means of naming internal networks for the Ministry. The naming practice assigned whatever.god to good machines and whatever.satan to machines that were buggy. So we can't just drop it. Also - I assure you that God does not mind. We have had applications for god domains from christian communities as well as from net kooks. It's to be expected. I'm sorry that you have been offended by it. Our position is not one of religion, although the church follows judeo christian principles, the release of the domain is based on our opinion that the internet domain infrastructure is language and as such all words in the english (or other languages) should be available for public use. We also have another program were trying to promote which sets up family values tlds. It is possible to use the domain infrastructure to remove offensive material via safe tlds which only allow for the registration of non pornographic or other non-offensive sites. Unfortunately the US government is also blocking that effort. I assure you that dot.god will go a long way to breaking the control of the USG roots on domain naming conventions. Example - we have been trying to sell the idea of family values tlds for two years. No one has ever given press to those ideas - which we feel have great value to concerned parents. But we announce dot.god - and the whole world starts emailing us for interviews. It is unfortunate in our society that good ideas can be overlooked while sensational or contraverial ideas like dot.god get all the fan fair. All I can assure you is that we will do our best to use the power of the god tld to move the US governments spirit in the right direction and hopefully do some good which everyone can benefit from. Regards Joe Baptista On Thu, 18 May 2000 CENSORED wrote: Please drop your idea for creating a TLD registry ".god". Isn't His name taken in vain too much already? Do you really have to mock him in the Internet as well? If you have any decency, you'll drop this misguided idea. It hurts me just to read about the idea. CENSORED
[IFWP] Re: reporter query (fwd)
I love being difficult and frankly we've had enough press for today. My mother has advised me its one of the things I do well - apart from bringing her endless joy and entertainment. Of course, as usual, names have been censored to protect the innocent. Regards Joe Baptista -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:30:29 -0400 (EDT) From: !Dr. Joe Baptista [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CENSORED Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: reporter query I don't give voice interviews - I'm retired. If you want general information on the domain infrastructure and need a voice interview I can reffer a Mr. Sexton of the ORSC. He's not associated with dot.god but he understands the issues and has consulted to the US gov and NSI. If you have any questions for me - just submit via email and I will respond. I'm on singapore time today and it's getting late here - so I may only be able to respond tommorrow. I'll be up for another two hours. Regards Joe Baptista On Thu, 18 May 2000,CENSORED wrote: Hi. I'm a reporter looking to do a story about .god -- can you get in touch asap? Thanks - CENSORED CENSORED
Re: [IFWP] Re: Kent's Rhetoric and Bombast - and ICANN the Scam..
Joe and all,
Thank you Joe for addressing my question so promptly and directly.
We [INEGroup] are pleased to see that sunrise +20 is not to become
a policy with the .GOD gTLD. I hope that the DOC/NTIA and ICANN
can take a lesson from this wise and stability minded decision.
!Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
Sorry Jeff - forgot to address the rest of your question. I've been busy
with people sending in so many queries to dot.god.
On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
By the way does Sunrise +20 work with your .GOD TLD as a policy
Joe?
That does not work with .GOD. Were not having any of that nonsense. We
intend to operate a professional registry that will provide stable domain
name resources and not the instability which is ICANN.
Regards
Joe Baptista
and variations of Crispy-songbird.god for me as well. Some of those
variations might be as follows:
Crispybrain-songbird.god
CrispyCrockett-songbird.god
ect... ect... I think you can follow the direction here joe? ;)
Reserve a few of those for Michael Graham as well would you be
so kind to do so. And bill me on the total amount.
!Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
Shall I register it in your name Jeff? Or in crispies name? Someone has
already register icann.god.
http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?icann.god
Regards
Joe Baptista
On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
Joe and all,
How does Crispy-Songbird.god sound joe? ;) Oh yes, of course there
are no trailing "-'s"... Is that ok with you Louis or Mike?
!Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
As for Kent, well the bullshit flowith! Joe B. How about a
.GOD special domain for Kent and Songbird. I know you can come
up with something wholesome! ;) Send me the bill on the registration.
songbird.god is taken. any other choices? or sunrise variations?
Regards
Joe ;-)
Repoman wrote:
Patrick Corliss wrote:
[...]
I should rise above that but it's hard not to fall into the trap
Been there myself unfortunately from time to time. :-(
of fighting
the battle on the other person's terms.
Battle? The gradual TM lobby usurpation of the DNS has been conducted in
a 'closed door' manner as far as I suspect the internet community at
large
and domain holders are concerned. I see little to no battle. Why fight
if you
can
afford to insure victory by just buying it?
Judge and jury are financed by trademark holders in the current internet
arbitration scenario. If enough precendents in favor of TM holders,
particularly
if common language terms like 'songbird' are in place in the UDRPs, then
that
spells good (!$) business and invites establishment of more UDRPs.
Ultimately
(if not already) the consideration of the the position of an arbiter at
any UDRP
will also be based on his/her disposition on TMs I suspect.
'Never bite the hand that feeds you'!
Re Kent: I perceive Kent in this forum by now as a bright and eloquent
salesman
selling something
(the TM scam) you have to (currently!) buy whether you wish to or not.
Nonetheless:
Much like the rare successful sale of a refigerator to an Eskimo, I
suspect he:
a.) enjoys making 'the sale' the reference rather than the practical
value of
the item he sells.
One Eskimo convinced is a sure fire reference for another Eskimo
prospect!
Kent would sell the 'energy efficiency' of the unit, 'as it does not
even need
to be plugged in to maintain food safety standards.'
Intelligent Eskimos like you or !Dr.Joe and many others on this list are
obviously
bad for business. Roberts would seem to be a much easier sell -
especially with
a fat
'factory buyer rebate' easily financing the next ICANN trip to Nepal (?)
in
2002.
b.)he seeks ( I'd hate to sell Kent short) 'world domination' of
the word 'songbird' in the DNS. He may just be sweating his little
'songbird
whatever' TM right about now. 'Songbird' is about as thin as it get's
I'd say in
TM and DNS.
Ask any kid on the street what he/she thinks a 'songbird' is.
Any word in 'Webster' (TM!) certainly has every and no claim on an
address in
the global DNS.
FCFS! A premise that built the US, Australia and every other country I
can think
of
off hand that has any global significance today. This concept is as old
as
sperm as a drastic example.
('Thank god for the big TMs up at ICANN, but I should at least try to
sell an
Eskimo here and there myself - if anything to convince myself by the
endorsement
of some real Eskimo.' type of rationale
[IFWP] Re: reporter query (fwd)
More censored reporter stuff. Good for discussion. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:25:24 -0400 (EDT) From: !Dr. Joe Baptista [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CENSORED Subject: Re: reporter query On Thu, 18 May 2000, CENSORED wrote: Just some general questions if you can spare a few moments. Why a ".god" registry? Who do you envision using the domain name? What might be the marketing advantages of having a .god web site? To date we've had various requests for registration. Everything from Joe Average (if there is such a creature) to net kooks and other ministries. dot.god was not an arbitrary nor planned decision. The registry is a natural extension of an internal network naming practice employed by our Ministry since 1996. Machine (computers) which works were assigned dot.god host names. Machines which were buggy were assigned to the top level domain dot.satan. The only marketing advantage I can see is that the dictionary term "god" has had over 5,000 years of comprehensive marketing efforts by various organizations - so it's well known. Will it be of any marketing advantage to a web site? I don't know and our position is that we frankly don't really care. At this time we are developing policy for the registry and one of our decisions is to release the tld to the domain holders when membership levels are sustainable. I can't give you a figure on that level, at this time were asking for opinions from the domain name industry. We cover marketing in the new media, and I wonder in general about the ecommerce implication of the .god domain. It may have some benifits in ecommerce, I just don't know what they would be. Sensationalism - maybe? I think it's more of a fun tld and certainly qualifies as a vanity tld. I have attached a copy of my original announcement on dot.god. You'll notice it's more of an informal request for comments. Please don't publish the web address. It was an accident it was published. That address is just for testing - the registry is being opened on another machine. Regards Joe Baptista From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu May 18 13:24:29 2000 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 04:42:42 -0400 (EDT) From: !Dr. Joe Baptista [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], NCDNHC [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [IFWP] dot.god is property. Hello: Today I have begun moving the dot.god registry to a new box. We will be running a one year test of the dot.god top level domain, formerly a private tld employed and operated by the Church of the Universe in various internal networks. The naming practice for tld.god began when it was decided to provide internal resources to the brothers and all systems on the private network were named something.god. later the brother introduced the dot.satan tld for naming buggy computers on the internal network. Alot of NT ended up in the dot.satan tld. At this time we are drafting a charter for dot.god. The gist of it will define that all dot.god second level domains are property. There will be a one time fee to setup the domain space, and then a yearly fee for maintanence. The yearly maintenance fee (our idea of property tax) will be between $3.00 to $5.00 per year. An administrative contract will provide management services for the tld until such time as a community of owners is established at which time such domain owners will be given control of the dot.god zone. We've been debating defining a community as anything from 5,000 domain owners to 1 million. I would welcome any suggestions concerning the above statement so I can present it to the brothers and sisters for consideration. I expect the tld will be tested for one year and we'll also be looking for people willing to test. You will get a free dot.god tld for your effort in helping us test. I'll be posting further details and applications regarding this to the following lists: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] NCDNHC [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] dot.god allows for anonymous registrations and all applications will be allowed a privacy flag. This means you can restrict people from accessing your email address using our whois server. Here's an example of a public whois output: $ whois -h whois.pccf.net god.god Welcome to .whois server Database updated on: Wed Jan 12 04:04:16 EST 2000 Domain: god.god Handle: 554909989110 Created: December 14, 1999 Updated: December 14, 1999 Status: Active Description: The Gates of St. Peter start here! Email: god@god Organization: GOD Inc. Virtual Map: PARKED AT NIC and this is an example of a private whois output: bash-2.03$ whois -h whois.pccf.net
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Re: [IFWP] Were you consulted?
Andrew McLaughlin replied to my similar question: "The selection of the nominating election committees was done by the Board Where was this item placed on the board's agenda? Where is the discussion of these matters by the board recorded? When and where was a vote by the board made? Where is it minuted? Seems to me that in the absence of either open or transparent board operations that I can't put much credence in an assertion that the board did anything. Indeed, backchannel information from board members indicates that the board wasn't really involved at all but, instead, that it was a "staff" decision. In which case, one has to wonder whether the members of the ICANN board realize that as "directors" they have a fiduciary obligation to actually direct the corporation and not let "staff" run amok. --karl--
[IFWP] Re: Kent's Rhetoric and Bombast - and ICANN the Scam..
John the Repoman wrote: P.S.: I wonder how much it would cost to mail every domain(s) registrant in the world a brief opinion questionaire (even by snail mail (argh)- postcard even - no ppd return envelope necessary) on major issues under consideration by ICANN to get a feel for the sentiments of the net community? More or less than a trip to Berlin or Cairo or Santiago...? The internet is akin to a new global community whose opinions will be heard and the majority will prevail ultimately - hopefully with an 'enlightened'(!!) and globally democratic ICANN at it's helm (my wish with noted qualifications) but certainly also 'without', if global issues are not addressed fairly. I wonder if we'd learn much different from what we already know. In the US, over half the population doesn't bother to vote in major elections. (Most domain registrants are in the US.) And if most of them *did* vote, you'd get complaints about how the US is taking over the Internet. There would also be arguments over how you count the votes of a corporation vs. those of an individual vs. those of a noncommercial organization vs. those of an educational organization vs. ... (you get the idea), not to mention why people who don't have domain names aren't getting to vote even though they are the end users and have arguably equal rights. --gregbo
Re: [IFWP] Re: Kent's Rhetoric and Bombast - and ICANN the Scam..
The cloest thing to this was the IFWP consensus calls. I still have them here in a file folder; the disconnect between them and what is, is major. At 02:12 PM 5/18/00 -0700, Greg Skinner wrote: John the Repoman wrote: P.S.: I wonder how much it would cost to mail every domain(s) registrant in the world a brief opinion questionaire (even by snail mail (argh)- postcard even - no ppd return envelope necessary) on major issues under consideration by ICANN to get a feel for the sentiments of the net community? More or less than a trip to Berlin or Cairo or Santiago...? The internet is akin to a new global community whose opinions will be heard and the majority will prevail ultimately - hopefully with an 'enlightened'(!!) and globally democratic ICANN at it's helm (my wish with noted qualifications) but certainly also 'without', if global issues are not addressed fairly. I wonder if we'd learn much different from what we already know. In the US, over half the population doesn't bother to vote in major elections. (Most domain registrants are in the US.) And if most of them *did* vote, you'd get complaints about how the US is taking over the Internet. There would also be arguments over how you count the votes of a corporation vs. those of an individual vs. those of a noncommercial organization vs. those of an educational organization vs. ... (you get the idea), not to mention why people who don't have domain names aren't getting to vote even though they are the end users and have arguably equal rights. --gregbo -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ph-1.613.473.1719 It's about travel on expense accounts to places with good beer. - BKR
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[IFWP] more .god yada yada yada
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/05/18/2346226 You can all consider the slashdot disscussions our contribution to the Sunrise + 20 crap. Love and kisses Joe Baptista
Re: [IFWP] more .god yada yada yada
Joe and all, The URL you are refrencing seems to mostly be dealing with the good idea of .GOD TLD. Are you sure you have the right URL? !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/05/18/2346226 You can all consider the slashdot disscussions our contribution to the Sunrise + 20 crap. Love and kisses Joe Baptista Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman INEGroup (Over 112k members strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Number: 972-447-1800 x1894 or 9236 fwd's to home ph# Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
Re: [IFWP] more .god yada yada yada
Yes that's the correct URL. There is some mention concerning our decision to not respect the trademark madness. Regards joe baptista On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote: Joe and all, The URL you are refrencing seems to mostly be dealing with the good idea of .GOD TLD. Are you sure you have the right URL? !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/05/18/2346226 You can all consider the slashdot disscussions our contribution to the Sunrise + 20 crap. Love and kisses Joe Baptista Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman INEGroup (Over 112k members strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Number: 972-447-1800 x1894 or 9236 fwd's to home ph# Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
