Re: [IFWP] Government takeover of Internet (fwd)
William and all, Your point? Unfortunately for your comment here, neither JeffM nor I, am anonymous William X. Walsh wrote: > Monday, August 23, 1999, 5:13:24 PM, Planet Communications Computing Facility ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > exactly - thanks for your support > > > On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Jeff Williams wrote: > > >> JEffM and all, > >> > >> I feel the same way here Jeff, and have stated so on more than > >> one occasion. However I do not censor anyone as a matter of > >> practice. I try to respect everyone's input, whether I like their input > >> or not, is not really relevant. > >> > > I know I'm not the only one who finds that the most vocal supporter of > this effort to find criticism in the online participation comes from > the person who has the most to lose from "private censorship efforts" > and from in ability to participate in an anonymous manner. > > -- > William X. Walsh - DSo Internet Services > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax:(209) 671-7934 > Editor of http://www.dnspolicy.com/ > > (IDNO MEMBER) > Support the Cyberspace Association, the > constituency of Individual Domain Name Owners > http://www.idno.org Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
Re[2]: [IFWP] Government takeover of Internet (fwd)
Monday, August 23, 1999, 5:13:24 PM, Planet Communications Computing Facility <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > exactly - thanks for your support > On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Jeff Williams wrote: >> JEffM and all, >> >> I feel the same way here Jeff, and have stated so on more than >> one occasion. However I do not censor anyone as a matter of >> practice. I try to respect everyone's input, whether I like their input >> or not, is not really relevant. >> I know I'm not the only one who finds that the most vocal supporter of this effort to find criticism in the online participation comes from the person who has the most to lose from "private censorship efforts" and from in ability to participate in an anonymous manner. -- William X. Walsh - DSo Internet Services Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax:(209) 671-7934 Editor of http://www.dnspolicy.com/ (IDNO MEMBER) Support the Cyberspace Association, the constituency of Individual Domain Name Owners http://www.idno.org
Re: [IFWP] Government takeover of Internet (fwd)
exactly - thanks for your support On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Jeff Williams wrote: > JEffM and all, > > I feel the same way here Jeff, and have stated so on more than > one occasion. However I do not censor anyone as a matter of > practice. I try to respect everyone's input, whether I like their input > or not, is not really relevant. > > Planet Communications Computing Facility wrote: > > > I understand now. Mark complained to me and i told him to go ahead and > > filter me out. It's all in my email. But Mark felt compeled to begin his > > complaining in public - even though I feel I have adequately dismissed his > > complaint. > > > > I posted the private email - simply because I have no need to repeat > > myself again. I am a firm believer that you say what you mean and you > > mean what you say. Mark did not understand that and I hope you assist him > > in understanding he has the option to follow my advise. > > > > So do you. > > > > As I have said before here over and over again - I believe in self > > censorship, but not in it's imposition. Feels free to filter me - I feel > > that the american way - which I support. > > > > Regards > > Jeff Mason > > > > -- > > Planet Communication & Computing Facility [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Public Access Internet Research Publisher 1 (212) 894-3704 ext. 1033 > > > > On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Gordon Cook wrote: > > > > > > > > basic netiquette jeff mason, if I send you a message to you alone it > > > generally is because I don't want to take a disagreement into the > > > public domain.to take the contents of a private message and make > > > them public without the permission of the sender is just not > > > done.defining private message as generally one to one I can > > > read the mime email OK. But many are operating with equipment that > > > makes this impossible. what wrong with doing them a common > > > courtesy and refraining from it? > > > > > > Your early style was not that bad. But you are picking on the wrong > > > person in picking on mark langston, so for what ever its worth I am > > > on the verge of tuning you out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hello Mark: > > > > > > > >On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Mark C. Langston wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will also demand that you refrain from posting private e-mail without > > > > > the prior written consent of the author. > > > > > > > > > > However, since you chose to ignore that particular convention as well, > > > > > I'll go ahead and point out that where I said MTA I of course meant to > > > > > say MUA. > > > > > > > >I don't understand - who's consent would that be? I'm not sure who's > > > >permission I have to get. > > > > > > > >Regards > > > >Jeff Mason > > > > > > > >-- > > > >Planet Communication & Computing Facility [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Public Access Internet Research Publisher 1 (212) 894-3704 ext. 1033 > > > > > > > > > The COOK Report on InternetIndex to seven years of the COOK Report > > > 431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 USA http://cookreport.com > > > (609) 882-2572 (phone & fax) The only Good ICANN is a Dead ICANN > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]What's Behind ICANN and How it Will > > > Impact the Future of the Internet http://cookreport.com/icannregulate.shtml > > > > > > > > Regards, > > -- > Jeffrey A. Williams > Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!) > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. > E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Contact Number: 972-447-1894 > Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208 > > >
Re: [IFWP] Government takeover of Internet (fwd)
JEffM and all, I feel the same way here Jeff, and have stated so on more than one occasion. However I do not censor anyone as a matter of practice. I try to respect everyone's input, whether I like their input or not, is not really relevant. Planet Communications Computing Facility wrote: > I understand now. Mark complained to me and i told him to go ahead and > filter me out. It's all in my email. But Mark felt compeled to begin his > complaining in public - even though I feel I have adequately dismissed his > complaint. > > I posted the private email - simply because I have no need to repeat > myself again. I am a firm believer that you say what you mean and you > mean what you say. Mark did not understand that and I hope you assist him > in understanding he has the option to follow my advise. > > So do you. > > As I have said before here over and over again - I believe in self > censorship, but not in it's imposition. Feels free to filter me - I feel > that the american way - which I support. > > Regards > Jeff Mason > > -- > Planet Communication & Computing Facility [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Public Access Internet Research Publisher 1 (212) 894-3704 ext. 1033 > > On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Gordon Cook wrote: > > > > > basic netiquette jeff mason, if I send you a message to you alone it > > generally is because I don't want to take a disagreement into the > > public domain.to take the contents of a private message and make > > them public without the permission of the sender is just not > > done.defining private message as generally one to one I can > > read the mime email OK. But many are operating with equipment that > > makes this impossible. what wrong with doing them a common > > courtesy and refraining from it? > > > > Your early style was not that bad. But you are picking on the wrong > > person in picking on mark langston, so for what ever its worth I am > > on the verge of tuning you out. > > > > > > > > > > >Hello Mark: > > > > > >On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Mark C. Langston wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I will also demand that you refrain from posting private e-mail without > > > > the prior written consent of the author. > > > > > > > > However, since you chose to ignore that particular convention as well, > > > > I'll go ahead and point out that where I said MTA I of course meant to > > > > say MUA. > > > > > >I don't understand - who's consent would that be? I'm not sure who's > > >permission I have to get. > > > > > >Regards > > >Jeff Mason > > > > > >-- > > >Planet Communication & Computing Facility [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Public Access Internet Research Publisher 1 (212) 894-3704 ext. 1033 > > > > > > The COOK Report on InternetIndex to seven years of the COOK Report > > 431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 USA http://cookreport.com > > (609) 882-2572 (phone & fax) The only Good ICANN is a Dead ICANN > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]What's Behind ICANN and How it Will > > Impact the Future of the Internet http://cookreport.com/icannregulate.shtml > > > > Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
Re: [IFWP] Government takeover of Internet (fwd)
an example of true censorship. Oley. On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Gordon Cook wrote: > to jeff mason > > The COOK Report on InternetIndex to seven years of the COOK Report > 431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 USA http://cookreport.com > (609) 882-2572 (phone & fax) The only Good ICANN is a Dead ICANN > [EMAIL PROTECTED]What's Behind ICANN and How it Will > Impact the Future of the Internet http://cookreport.com/icannregulate.shtml > >
Re: [IFWP] Government takeover of Internet (fwd)
to jeff mason The COOK Report on InternetIndex to seven years of the COOK Report 431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 USA http://cookreport.com (609) 882-2572 (phone & fax) The only Good ICANN is a Dead ICANN [EMAIL PROTECTED]What's Behind ICANN and How it Will Impact the Future of the Internet http://cookreport.com/icannregulate.shtml
Re: [IFWP] Government takeover of Internet (fwd)
I understand now. Mark complained to me and i told him to go ahead and filter me out. It's all in my email. But Mark felt compeled to begin his complaining in public - even though I feel I have adequately dismissed his complaint. I posted the private email - simply because I have no need to repeat myself again. I am a firm believer that you say what you mean and you mean what you say. Mark did not understand that and I hope you assist him in understanding he has the option to follow my advise. So do you. As I have said before here over and over again - I believe in self censorship, but not in it's imposition. Feels free to filter me - I feel that the american way - which I support. Regards Jeff Mason -- Planet Communication & Computing Facility [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Access Internet Research Publisher 1 (212) 894-3704 ext. 1033 On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Gordon Cook wrote: > > basic netiquette jeff mason, if I send you a message to you alone it > generally is because I don't want to take a disagreement into the > public domain.to take the contents of a private message and make > them public without the permission of the sender is just not > done.defining private message as generally one to one I can > read the mime email OK. But many are operating with equipment that > makes this impossible. what wrong with doing them a common > courtesy and refraining from it? > > Your early style was not that bad. But you are picking on the wrong > person in picking on mark langston, so for what ever its worth I am > on the verge of tuning you out. > > > > > >Hello Mark: > > > >On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Mark C. Langston wrote: > > > > > > > > I will also demand that you refrain from posting private e-mail without > > > the prior written consent of the author. > > > > > > However, since you chose to ignore that particular convention as well, > > > I'll go ahead and point out that where I said MTA I of course meant to > > > say MUA. > > > >I don't understand - who's consent would that be? I'm not sure who's > >permission I have to get. > > > >Regards > >Jeff Mason > > > >-- > >Planet Communication & Computing Facility [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Public Access Internet Research Publisher 1 (212) 894-3704 ext. 1033 > > > The COOK Report on InternetIndex to seven years of the COOK Report > 431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 USA http://cookreport.com > (609) 882-2572 (phone & fax) The only Good ICANN is a Dead ICANN > [EMAIL PROTECTED]What's Behind ICANN and How it Will > Impact the Future of the Internet http://cookreport.com/icannregulate.shtml > >
Re: [IFWP] Government takeover of Internet (fwd)
basic netiquette jeff mason, if I send you a message to you alone it generally is because I don't want to take a disagreement into the public domain.to take the contents of a private message and make them public without the permission of the sender is just not done.defining private message as generally one to one I can read the mime email OK. But many are operating with equipment that makes this impossible. what wrong with doing them a common courtesy and refraining from it? Your early style was not that bad. But you are picking on the wrong person in picking on mark langston, so for what ever its worth I am on the verge of tuning you out. >Hello Mark: > >On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Mark C. Langston wrote: > > > > > I will also demand that you refrain from posting private e-mail without > > the prior written consent of the author. > > > > However, since you chose to ignore that particular convention as well, > > I'll go ahead and point out that where I said MTA I of course meant to > > say MUA. > >I don't understand - who's consent would that be? I'm not sure who's >permission I have to get. > >Regards >Jeff Mason > >-- >Planet Communication & Computing Facility [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Public Access Internet Research Publisher 1 (212) 894-3704 ext. 1033 The COOK Report on InternetIndex to seven years of the COOK Report 431 Greenway Ave, Ewing, NJ 08618 USA http://cookreport.com (609) 882-2572 (phone & fax) The only Good ICANN is a Dead ICANN [EMAIL PROTECTED]What's Behind ICANN and How it Will Impact the Future of the Internet http://cookreport.com/icannregulate.shtml
Re: [IFWP] Government takeover of Internet (fwd)
Hello Mark: On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Mark C. Langston wrote: > > I will also demand that you refrain from posting private e-mail without > the prior written consent of the author. > > However, since you chose to ignore that particular convention as well, > I'll go ahead and point out that where I said MTA I of course meant to > say MUA. I don't understand - who's consent would that be? I'm not sure who's permission I have to get. Regards Jeff Mason -- Planet Communication & Computing Facility [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Access Internet Research Publisher 1 (212) 894-3704 ext. 1033
Re: [IFWP] Government takeover of Internet (fwd)
I will also demand that you refrain from posting private e-mail without the prior written consent of the author. However, since you chose to ignore that particular convention as well, I'll go ahead and point out that where I said MTA I of course meant to say MUA. -- Mark C. LangstonLATEST: ICANN refuses Let your voice be heard: [EMAIL PROTECTED] to consider application for http://www.idno.org Systems AdminConstituency status from organized http://www.icann.org San Jose, CA individual domain name owners http://www.dnso.org
Re: [IFWP] Government takeover of Internet (fwd)
Brandon and all, A circular justification. Excellent! You should be an ICANN (Initial?) Board member! >;) BrandonButterworth wrote: > > Well - mark - here's my public reply to you, which is the same as my > > private reply. If it's that bothersome - please filter me. > > > > If more members feel the same - fine i'll consider it. > > I feed the same, it's fine on a web site but a hindrance > to communication when used in email. > > > But I'd rather > > people who don't want to see my posts because we communicate with mime, > > filter me. > > Indeed, I normally delete such messages unread, along with > those quoting the entire message so far and tacking on half a > sentence at the end. > > If they can't be bothered to present something readable I figure it's > probably not worth reading. > > regards, > brandon Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!) CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
Re: [IFWP] Government takeover of Internet (fwd)
> Well - mark - here's my public reply to you, which is the same as my > private reply. If it's that bothersome - please filter me. > > If more members feel the same - fine i'll consider it. I feed the same, it's fine on a web site but a hindrance to communication when used in email. > But I'd rather > people who don't want to see my posts because we communicate with mime, > filter me. Indeed, I normally delete such messages unread, along with those quoting the entire message so far and tacking on half a sentence at the end. If they can't be bothered to present something readable I figure it's probably not worth reading. regards, brandon
Re: [IFWP] Government takeover of Internet (fwd)
> > Again, I ask you publically to stop posting in MIME-encapsulated HTML. > > Thank you. > Well - mark - here's my public reply to you, which is the same as my private reply. If it's that bothersome - please filter me. If more members feel the same - fine i'll consider it. But I'd rather people who don't want to see my posts because we communicate with mime, filter me. Don't burden yourselves on me with demands at censorhsip - censor yourself. What has this piece of green become. our reply follows Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:41:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Planet Communications Computing Facility <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mark C. Langston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] HELP US and SUPPORT ICANN - IT BELONGS TO YOU (fwd) look - why don't you just plop me in a delete filter. That way you can decide how important what I have to say is. Communication has evolved - and we have to maintain a standard. So please - I insist you filter me so we won't have any further problems. Don't censor my means of expression - censor yourself first. Thanks in advance and astalavista Jeff Mason -- Planet Communication & Computing Facility [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Access Internet Research Publisher 1 (212) 894-3704 ext. 1033 On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Mark C. Langston wrote: > > On 23 August 1999, Planet Communications Computing Facility ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >Hello: > > > >Unfortunately - we have to include attachments. I'm very sorry about the > >bother - but were trying to tailure the presntation to average internet > >users with netscape /explorer browsers. > > This is an e-mail discussion list. Read with a Mail User Agent, or MTA. > A web browser is NOT an MTA, although they currently have that capability > built into them. > > If nothing else, HTML takes up at *least* twice the storage space that > plaintext does. > > If you have a point to make, use WORDS. If I want your words to LOOK > a particular way, I'll do the layout myself. > > Until then, lay off the HTML. This is not a web page, it's e-mail. > E-mail is a text-based medium. I don't care how you want something to > look. I'm only interested in what you have to say. If you can't > bother to say it without adding colors, fonts, positioning, and > various other abominations, I'll just ignore it. So will quite a few > other people. > > -- > Mark C. Langston LATEST: ICANN refuses Let your voice be heard: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] to consider application for http://www.idno.org > Systems AdminConstituency status from organized http://www.icann.org > San Jose, CA individual domain name owners http://www.dnso.org >
Re: [IFWP] Government takeover of Internet (fwd)
Again, I ask you publically to stop posting in MIME-encapsulated HTML. Thank you. -- Mark C. LangstonLATEST: ICANN refuses Let your voice be heard: [EMAIL PROTECTED] to consider application for http://www.idno.org Systems AdminConstituency status from organized http://www.icann.org San Jose, CA individual domain name owners http://www.dnso.org On 23 August 1999, Planet Communications Computing Facility <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, > while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. > Send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more info. > >--7F7D803DC88D65756D1D8056 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii >Content-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >We have just finished a distribution of pr on behalf of ICANN. As a >member of ICANN we felt the membership base is unrepresentative of the >internet community. > >We have identified the following groups of interested parties: > > Small Business > Anarchists > Pornographers > Christian / Religious > Spanish / French > >We've reached out to them and anticipate they will join us via remote in >Santiago. > >We have also complained (unofficially) to Mr. Twomey's government. > >Santiago 1999 - oley! > >Regards >Jeff Mason > >keeping the internet free of government - because we care ;-) > >-- Forwarded message -- >Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:48:38 -0400 >From: Planet Communications <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Government takeover of Internet > >Hello: > >We are providing notice we object to comments made by Australian >representative Paul Twomey with respect to government takeover of the >internet. We will be entering a fomal objection and with to inform you >of our shock. > >http://www.pccf.net/references/icann/GAC-video.html > >--7F7D803DC88D65756D1D8056 >Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; CHARSET=us-ascii; NAME="GAC-video.html" >Content-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Description: > > >Government takeover of Internet > > > > > > >Do you trust this man and his government buddies to run and control the > internet for you? > > >Dr. Paul Twomey works for the Government of Australia as the Chief Executiv >e Officer of the >National Office for the Information Economy. Dr. Twomey was appointed by the >Australian and United >States governments to impose government regulation on the internet. Dr. Twome >y is the chairman of the >Government Advisory Committee of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names a >nd Numbers (ICANN). >They want to tax domain names and your internet connection. >ICANN was establsihed by the United States government to represent the interne >t community - >THAT'S YOU. Help save ICANN from a government >takeover - participate - join - vote. ICANN is your organization > http://www.pccf.net/references/icann/help-icann.html"> >CLICK HERE FOR WAYS YOU CAN HELP !. > > > > > > > >Real video presentation: Government official warns of government takeover of i >nternet >SRC="loony-19990525.rpm" >WIDTH=150 HEIGHT=100 >CONSOLE=one >CONTROLS=ImageWindow >BACKGROUNDCOLOR=white >CENTER=true >AUTOSTART=true >> > > > > >If this video does not display in an embedded JAVA window - CLICK >HERE to >display in a separate window - you need the real video plugin to view this cli >p. > > > > > > > > >--7F7D803DC88D65756D1D8056-- >
[IFWP] Government takeover of Internet (fwd)
We have just finished a distribution of pr on behalf of ICANN. As a member of ICANN we felt the membership base is unrepresentative of the internet community. We have identified the following groups of interested parties: Small Business Anarchists Pornographers Christian / Religious Spanish / French We've reached out to them and anticipate they will join us via remote in Santiago. We have also complained (unofficially) to Mr. Twomey's government. Santiago 1999 - oley! Regards Jeff Mason keeping the internet free of government - because we care ;-) -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:48:38 -0400 From: Planet Communications <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Government takeover of Internet Hello: We are providing notice we object to comments made by Australian representative Paul Twomey with respect to government takeover of the internet. We will be entering a fomal objection and with to inform you of our shock. http://www.pccf.net/references/icann/GAC-video.html Title: Government takeover of Internet Do you trust this man and his government buddies to run and control the internet for you? Dr. Paul Twomey works for the Government of Australia as the Chief Executive Officer of the National Office for the Information Economy. Dr. Twomey was appointed by the Australian and United States governments to impose government regulation on the internet. Dr. Twomey is the chairman of the Government Advisory Committee of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN). They want to tax domain names and your internet connection. ICANN was establsihed by the United States government to represent the internet community - THAT'S YOU. Help save ICANN from a government takeover - participate - join - vote. ICANN is your organization CLICK HERE FOR WAYS YOU CAN HELP !. Real video presentation: Government official warns of government takeover of internet If this video does not display in an embedded JAVA window - CLICK HERE to display in a separate window - you need the real video plugin to view this clip.
